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It is the easiest thing in the world to forge who an e-mail says it is from. Delving into the innards of the e-mail header may yield more clues to the actual perpetrators, but is unlikely to be of much use, as the e-mail probably originated somewhere like China. Or Brazil. Or the USA.
I have had spam sent to me, apparently from me. (!)
Just report the abuse to Yahoo and let them get on with it. There are some odd things going on with web based e-mail at the moment, so who knows.
Rick Rosewarne, Scotland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, May 12th, 2008 at 03:12:15 (UTC)
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Happy birthday for today to the following GNR members:- Mark Behrens, South Africa
- Ian Game, United Kingdom
- Tom Guthrie, Australia
- Ronnie Hollywood, United Kingdom
- Sue Mans, South Africa
- Margaret Murphy, Zimbabwe
- Brian Townsend, South Africa
- Larry Treadgold, United States
- Mary-anne Williams, South Africa
- Mick Wright, United States
Hope you have a great day.
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Hello David,
No, I havnt asked any questions, but my yahoo inbox has been inaccessible to me for weeks - I finally got into it, and found around five hundred of those ask a (very stoopid) question emails. I dont subscribe to spamming people, - but most of my groups have received "Tickle" questionaires purportedly from me, and also these stupid questions. I have questioned my children at length, (pillow case torture with additional ducking under water), and none of them have access to my personal email addresses, just my work ones, so twasnt them either. The au pair has her own lap top, and no one else uses my computer. Could my supposedly secure email address at yahoo have been hacked into, has anyone else had this problem. It all started when I purchased a domain name from yahoo, for the voluntary group I work with, dont know if there is a link.
So anyone receiving weird questions from me, please ignore.
megs
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Slideshow and "When-We" CD at Jozi Jol Reunion
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Attention attendees already registered for the Jozi Jol:
As part of your weekend enjoyment, we are putting together a continuously looping "When-We" slideshow to be running on Saturday night at the venue. In addition to this, we will have a CD of the contents of the slideshow available for sale on Saturday night and Sunday at the braai.
The proceeds of the sale of the CD's will be donated to the GNR management budget. As you know, Craig and the other members of our GNR management team donate all of their time and resources to this website. It is a small way for the organizers of the Jozi Jol to show our appreciation for what they do for us. Please note: This has NOT been solicited by the management. It is a gesture of appreciation on the part of the Jozi Jol organizers.
If you are interested in contributing to the slideshow, we need ONE photo of you from your days in Zambia, please. It can be just you or can include other people, but it has to be from when you were in Northern Rhodesia/Zambia.
The info we need is as follows:
Name(s) of people in the photo: If females included, we need MAIDEN names.
Caption: Examples - location photo was taken, or event, etc.
Date photo was taken: Year is okay or an approximate guess
DEADLINE TO SEND PHOTO TO US IS JULY 1, 2008.
EMAIL TO SEND TO: jolpics AT yahoo DOT com
Obviously you would enter the email address the way it should be entered. It is shown here this way to hide from the ever-present spammers who are lurking nearby.
We will be removing this email address a few days after July 1, so don't procrastinate if you want to be included in this fun project.
In addition to your own photos, with permission from the management, we are working on including some of the multitude of photos that have been contributed for the BOMA, so it will be a really cool CD for you to buy at the reunion.
No.. I don't have a price yet, but it won't be too high.
Any questions, please send Linda an email via the GNR contact. Thanks.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 22:54:15 (UTC)
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David - sorry about that ! I misinterpreted your questions "The last time they went into a country the middle of a humanitarian crisis without a UN resolution there was no oil? Why would you think that's reason they haven't gone into Burma? " as a sarcastic reference to Iraq .
Nick Tyler, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 21:25:14 (UTC)
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Today I received an email from megrybiki . Theres a link on it to see a question she is supposed to have asked . Is this genuine ? It looks a bit spamish.
David Swan, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 21:10:01 (UTC)
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Tim
Or even worse meet up with Big Horst Stamm again. We would probably beat each other to death with our walking frames. :-)
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 19:44:33 (UTC)
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Doug,
Your Murundu Plot sounds very interesting but, to naively suspicious ears, perhaps rather sinister. If I were you I'd keep a bit schtum about it. I'm sure you'd hate to wake up one morning in some remote corner of Cuba dressed in bright orange!
Tim
Tim Quirk, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 17:32:48 (UTC)
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Bill
That was Madam Vic who had a hotel right up near the Mokambo border post in earlier days. I never met her but John Glen tells how he witnessed her knocking out a big miner with one punch. Eat your heart out Beauteous.
Timo
Check out: http://www.gatt.org:80/bushhitler.html
It seems that some of the German bombs dropped on England at the start of WWII were made from US steel. The grandpappy of the current US president George Bush was Preston Bush. The site tells us that “On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.”
As Chris would say, he was only making the best of a business opportunity.
There is an excellent series currently on the History Channel titled “Wealth & Power” that tells the story of J. P. Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller and others.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 16:52:39 (UTC)
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Nick, How was my comment self righteous? I just wanted to know how somebody could criticise the USA (implying there was no oil in Burma, therefore they weren't helping) I pointed out the last time the USA intervened in a country without the backing of the UN there was no oil in that country. Unless your comments were meant for another David!
David Norris, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 16:52:04 (UTC)
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Keith - Interesting to see the direct and indirect connections with Burma among GNR members. Personally, my great grandfather moved to Burma from India and served as a civil engineer (I think) under the colonial administration, my grandmother remembers living in Rangoon before the war and liked the living conditions there very much then. Interesting to see George Orwell was there before the war. Some links for for more reading and photos:
http://asiatours.net/burma/info/history03.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4761169
http://www.ayeyarwady.com/Photo-e/old_burma/index.htm
And the Arakan Barracks in Lusaka are named after the Arakan campaign in Burma.
Chandru Krishna, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 16:35:49 (UTC)
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Doug did'nt you have a wild Frenchwoman (similar to Eskimo Nel) running the front of the house at one time?
She flaunted a generous cleavage but took no nonsense from awkward clientele - she could disembowel a big man at 5 paces with a swing of her hips.
Wild but memorable times.
Bill Hunt, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 16:22:24 (UTC)
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You wrote:-
.....when you were older that same American came back and had his way with your precious first girlfriend.
That's right. Then they named the little illegitimate offspring Gordon and shipped him off to Arizona.
Deryck Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 14:28:23 (UTC)
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Doug said: "Didn’t the US enter WWII only after Pearl Harbor was bombed by Germany’s ally Japan? Maybe we should thank Japan for forcing the Americans out of their isolationist stance."
By the time of Pearl Harbour the US was isolationist in name only. The US navy had been blockading the Japanese navy for some time. It was this blockade that forced the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour. It was of considerable surprise (and delight & relief) to Churchill that Germany declared war on the US after the US had declared war on Japan.
Damn Yanquies, subtly changing the name of the album to avoid paying comrade Gruewors royalties. very sneaky.
Tim Fulcher, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 11:11:50 (UTC)
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Tim Fula Cherries
So that means that the Eagles must have visited Murundu and copied the name of my Motel California for their song. They probably changed it to Hotel California to avoid paying me royalties. I never actually saw them swilling Cawld Carstel in the bar but we had many rum characters there so they would have easily blended in quite seamlessly.
Stevo
Didn’t the US enter WWII only after Pearl Harbor was bombed by Germany’s ally Japan? Maybe we should thank Japan for forcing the Americans out of their isolationist stance.
As for Burma we can all debate about various political systems but what those Generals are doing is just pure evil and should be condemned by all decent people. They are just like Mugabe.
Francis Fukuyama the US philosopher prophesied the inexorable triumph of democracy in his book, “The End of History and the Last Man.” Let’s hope it happens in Zimbabwe and Burma.
Allyson
The fact that the US government gets least bang for its buck in the health field leads one to suspect that the system is corrupted by the corporate vultures. Even Cuba has a far better health record especially as far as infant mortality goes.
That should bring Pineapple Chris out with guns blazing; but he fails to recognize the difference between genuine capitalists who are a benefit to any country and the criminal corporate vultures that may even be in the majority. The rot reaches right up to the top as we have seen with Enron.
Halliburton is another interesting case. The Iraq war may not have been started to swell Halliburton’s bottom line but it has certainly been very beneficial for them.
Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_for_Sale:_The_War_Profiteers
Specifically, the film claims four major contractors -- Blackwater, K.B.R.-Halliburton, CACI and Titan -- are over-billing the U.S. government and doing substandard work while endangering the lives of American soldiers and private citizens. The documentary contends these companies are composed of ex-military and ex-government workers who unethically help their companies get and keep enormous contracts and milk the American taxpayer.
Warren Buffet on the other hand is my kind of capitalist. Google him!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 10:17:52 (UTC)
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As Linda says, it is unfair to pick on the USA, when they are standing by ready to distribute aid to Myanmar and are being denied access. What more can a country do to help? When faced by such a stubborn military regime that is the Burmese government, that seem happy to let their own people suffer as a result of them being awkward at every stage? You just couldn't TEACH stupidity like it could you?!
In a similar example, the UK contributes millions in foreign aid to Zimbabwe every year despite all the negative media they send back at us! Never reported of course, all we ever hear is Big Bob's rantings about how UK sanctions are the cause of all Zimbabwe's troubles.
Going back in time to WW2, the US were lazy in coming to our aid to say the least! Canada was the first to offer help, which is why the south of England is awash with park benches dedicated to Canadians! Australia, South Africa and Poland were not far behind. The US had to be dragged into the conflict, and then did their bit at great cost.
However, that is history. Nowadays it seems we are one and the same. The UN is powerless & hopeless as usual, so I guess that once again the UK and the USA will have to pump in aid to Burma like we have with so many other countries. If allowed!
Stevo!
Steve Batchelor, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 09:22:33 (UTC)
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God said to a black fella, "go to that church".
He did, at the door of the church a man said "Sorry you cant come in here".
The black fella went back and prayed to God, He said God "They will not let me in".
God said to him "Go back and try again.". He went back again and tried to get in.
The man at the door said "I have told you over and over again you cant come in here".
The black fella went back to God and said "God I have tried and tried to get into that church, but I just cant, they will not let me in".
God said to the black fella. "Don't worry about it then, I have been trying for years to get in there aswell".
Allen Walker, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 06:13:25 (UTC)
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Hi Mark
Keep what clean? I never said a thing. I just know how bars operate and when a drink gets violent he has to be chained or put in a cell to keep him quiet.
Have fun, life's too short to sit in the corner doing ......
Gwyn
Gwyneth Thomas, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 05:29:37 (UTC)
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A recent production from our Public Broadcasting System was "Sick Around the World" which gave overviews on the health care systems in Japan, UK, USA, Switzerland, Taiwan and Germany. All these countries with the exception of the USA had some form of national health care program.
Below is the link to the web page where you can actually watch the show. You will also find excellent information on this website, it is well worth a visit.
GDP spent on health care 2007 data:
Japan 8%, life expectancy 82 years, lowest infant mortality of this group.
UK 8.3%
Germany 10.7%
Switzerland 11.6%
Taiwan 6.3%
USA 15.3%, lowest life expectancy of this group, 77 years and highest
infant mortality.
The American Medical Association has such a grip on Congress which is one of the main reasons why there is no national program in the USA. Illness is one of the most common reason for filing for bankruptcy here in the USA.
My Mom was a patient in Lusaka General Hospital once, she remembers having to bring her own sheets, pillows, blankets and medicine but she never got a bill!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/
Allyson Cash, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 05:08:34 (UTC)
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Thank you all for the response to my posting regarding Burma.
It was never my intension to say that Britain,America et al were not responding to the call for help,my whole point is that the Generals will not allow this to happen and why can the "world "allow this when so many people are in dire distress.
I rest my case.
Kind regards,
Ian.
Ian Jowett, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, May 11th, 2008 at 02:21:04 (UTC)
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Happy birthday for today to the following GNR members:Hope you have a great day.
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Comrade Gruewors' memory must be fading. The Eagles' Hotel California was released in 1976, perhaps Doug experience deju vue in 1972? That aside I enjoyed the story, thanks Doug.
Tim Fulcher, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 23:22:14 (UTC)
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G'day Allen
I reckon that all countries, like all people, have their fair share of faults, but it is nice to tease the Americans now and again as they have such fragile egos.
With all the US faults I think we have been better off with them as world leaders than we will be with the Chinese as world leaders. They have enough Chinese to populate the world; they don't need us gwilos so we will probably in up in the fridges of Chinese restaurants just like the neighborhood dogs and cats.
Cheers mate - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:44:21 (UTC)
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And I would like to clip a few on this board. ha ha ...
Allen Walker, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:35:21 (UTC)
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Gordon.
I didn't realise that Bush took the USA into Iraq just to get rid of Saddam as a favor to the rest of the world...................I had always understood that it was a favor to his mate Dick, and Haliburton.............................
Cheers
Roger
Roger Ward, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:35:11 (UTC)
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Gwyn
You are welcome. Your whip and chains scene should go down a treat with some of our customers.
A masochist met a sadist in a bar and thinking he had met the perfect partner invited him home for a session. The sadist chained the masochist to the bed and took out all his whips, straps and other tools of his trade. “Beat me,” cried the masochist shuddering in anticipatory ecstasy. “No” said the sadist!
Maurice
Nothing as exciting as being PI’d. I just got fed up with the empty shops and falling standard of living in Kaunda’s Zambia and decided to move to Oz, but never made it.
I bought a 12 acre plot at Murundu while working on Mufulira Mine that had an enormous house on it. Murundu is 7 miles from Mufulira and 3 miles from Mokambo in the Congo. After being given the copper chopper off the mine I tried several different businesses but none were very successful. I decided to do a bit of market research and to go with the flow. I established that the Zambians were excellent at 2 things; smashing cars and boozing. As I knew nothing about panel beating I decided to open a bar.
I converted the house into a bar and restaurant and the chicken houses into bedrooms (never completed). We opened the bar under the name of ‘California Motel’ probably inspired by the Eagle’s song ‘Hotel California’ that was popular in 1972. It was a profitable and interesting business but I soon got fed up with the problems (even a riot) and sold it and bought a snack bar and 2 shops and 5 flats in Mufulira.
I did tell the story of the riot in previous postings some years back, when about 20 Germans working for Frazer & Chalmers led by their engineer Big Horst Stamm decided to tear the bar apart in revenge for me banning 2 of their mates for hooligan behaviour. They started breaking up the furniture and breaking bottles and throwing them around. One Zambian customer was badly gashed in the face by the flying glass. The police were already on standby outside and when I called them in to help, the Germans stuffed up the police so I had to chase the Germans out with my pickhandle. Swiss Peter who was busy smashing a chair was the first to get walloped and needed 18 stitches to repair his head. I was then floored for a moment by Joseph who smashed a chair across my shoulders. They then dragged Peter away and everybody disappeared into the night before I could hit anyone else. Blood, snot and tears! What a mess! By sunrise about 3 or 4 of the rioters including big Horst Stamm who was the main culprit had fled the country rather than face arrest for fighting with the police.
It was a regrettable event because most of these same chaps were my friends as well as customers. I guess things just got out of hand because arrogant Horst thought he could be the boss in the bar as well as on the job. I have never heard of him again for the last 35 years. He must be in his 70’s by now so is hopefully behaving himself. Swiss Peter returned after 2 months recuperating in Switzerland and we shook hands and made friends again. Joseph is still in Lusaka and I always have a beer with him whenever I visit Zambia.
Such was life in a wild mining camp on the Congo border.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:33:07 (UTC)
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Nice words from SOKWANELE........but it dont work Mate..
Deryck Wisons post......Right on the money..
GORDON"S post ........right on the money again.
I find it very disheartening that the USA has to fight all the battles around the world. Over 4000 dead in Iraq. Its about time the rest of the world took some responsibility for what is happening in this mixed up world. France, a major player in the world and does nothing, the Arabs are always saying they want to go to Allah, and when we help them to get there they complain. They don't even like each other for Gods sake.
I do believe that if United Kingdom and the USA stopped getting involved and let places like China and others do something, we could be better off. Mugabe hates the English pollies and like I have said, its what has been said that has upset him. Take a look at this BBC report.
Try bringing up your kids without a clip now and then, it dont work, Burma needs a clip, Zim needs a clip, and a few more here and there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/africa/7349166.stm
Allen Walker, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:28:53 (UTC)
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D W, I am now sure of two things that have happened in your life which have affected your outlook toward the greatest nation the world has ever seen. One, when you were a little wee lad an American kid from a nearby military base came over and peed in your porridge. Two, when you were older that same American came back and had his way with your precious first girlfriend.
My advice, see a shrink and get over it.
Gordon Garlick, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:27:21 (UTC)
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Deryck / David - rather self-righteous comments considering both UK and Australia have been involved in Iraq as well ( obviously for the oil .......)
Its very easy to criticise but you should look in the mirror - the treatment of the Irish and Aborigines haven't exactly covered your respective countries in glory .
Nick Tyler, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 22:14:59 (UTC)
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On March 29th the people of Zimbabwe won an historic victory.
That historic and resounding victory should have heralded a new and joyful era for all Zimbabweans. Instead Zimbabweans have endured confusion, pain, death and despair as the result of a violent onslaught against the people by Zanu PF.
As is now well documented, my opponent in this race has decided to turn his thugs on the people. The former liberator has turned his back on the people of Zimbabwe and on the entire continent of Africa.
It is very, very sad for me to call Mugabe a former liberator. It is sad for me to say that he has turned his back on both his people and his continent. Mugabe was once my hero too. Because of his sacrifices, millions of our citizens are well educated and had great opportunities to grow and prosper.
But something happened to Mugabe on our long walk to freedom, something happened that hardened his heart. Something happened that made him abandon the very people he once fought to free.
He has unleashed violence on his own children, the people of Zimbabwe.
And for those carrying out the violence on the ground, the police, the militia, the army and the so called war veterans now is the time to give very serious thought to the implications of further attacks on innocent civilians. You are breaking Zimbabwean and international laws and the whole world is watching.
The time is now for our professional security services to follow their hearts and become professional again, rather than follow a former liberation hero on his path to destruction. You will be in Zimbabwe long after Mugabe is gone.
In view of the unfolding post-election tragedy, the leadership of the MDC, civil society, and all democratic forces have had a very difficult decision to make. We know the betrayal of ballots being followed by bullets. We know that another election may bring more violence, more gloom, more betrayal.
We know there should not be a runoff election – there was only one reason the ZEC announced results before completing verification. We know the verified total would have revealed the full extent of the dictatorship's defeat – and the full extent of the peoples' victory.
But we also know a runoff election could finally knock-out the dictator for good. A runoff election could be the final round in a very long fight to liberate ourselves from our former liberator.
We know that we have won, but do we nevertheless decide to contest a runoff election to hasten the end of this debacle? Or do we wait and hope for the political environment to improve, for mediation to start, for mediation to end….all the while the people continue to suffer?
I have asked the MDC, civil society and other democratic forces to assess the feeling of the people on the ground. Do they want a runoff election? Will they vote despite the violent attacks? Could they possibly have confidence in the ZEC again?
To be honest, the answers are very mixed. Some report that they believe the people are too afraid to vote, that they are displaced by the destruction of their homes and not even near their polling stations any more. Others point to the fact that the ZEC betrayed them once and will do so again. Others say it is simply not fair to push the people into an election.
I consider all of these valid points of view. No one can dispute that going into an alleged runoff of an election that you have already won – an election controlled by an opponent whose election tactics unapologetically include stealing and killing - is a risky venture indeed.
What matters now is what we, as Zimbabweans, think is the best way to move ourselves out of this crisis. Are we brave enough? Are we strong enough? Are we angry enough?
The overwhelming sentiment that emerged from the people of Zimbabwe is that they are ready for change now, not later. They want a chance for a better life now, and they believe that the MDC can give them that chance. They believe that we as nation are brave enough, we are strong enough and we are angry enough to fight an election once again. We as MDC believe our people would feel betrayed if we shied away from the final knock out. We have lost hundreds of people in the democracy movement since 1999. Their sacrifices must not be in vain. We must fulfill the dreams of our people who have been betrayed and traumatized since March 29th.
The MDC has decided that we will contest the runoff and the people will finally prevail. The people have spoken before, and the people will speak again. I am ready and the people are ready for the final round.
Legally this election should be no later than May 24th, two weeks from today, and that is the date we are preparing for. If Zanu PF and the ZEC hope to retain what little credibility they have left they will abide by the law and declare the Presidential runoff election between today and that date.
Therefore I shall return to Zimbabwe within the next two days.
I shall return to Zimbabwe to begin a Victory Tour. Some might say this term "Victory" is cold and callous given the hardships endured by the people.
But the people are victorious. And they are being punished for their victory. We must free ourselves from those who would steal victory from fellow brothers and sisters by using guns, sticks and screwdrivers.
In the last four weeks many leaders have rallied to the cause of Zimbabwe. To SADC Chairman Mwanamwasa and African Union Chairman Kikwete, and many of your colleagues, I want to say thank you. When Zimbabwe rejoins the family of democratic nations, history will remember what you did for your brave, peace loving African brothers and sisters now living in fear of their own government.
I want to thank the labor unions and Cosatu for refusing to allow the illegitimate regime of Zanu PF to access more weapons for use against its own people.
To Secretary General Ban Ki Moon and others in the international community, we thank you and appreciate all your work. We will continue to count on you, SADC and the AU, to ensure the upcoming runoff is administered fairly, with transparency, neutrality and professionalism.
And finally, I thank the people of Zimbabwe for their courage and devotion to democracy. And I ask them not to lose hope. Together let us finish the job. Together let us have faith that this time, the ballot paper will truly liberate our country.
I thank you.
www.sokwanele.com
Allyson Cash, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 20:37:09 (UTC)
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Sorry to be late with the greetings Maurice.
Have a great evening and may all your peas be small and sweet.
Regards,
D.
Deryck Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 19:25:54 (UTC)
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Doug,
Please tell us about you Murundu plot and what it was all about. Why did you have to leave? Did you upset some nice Zambian Politician who had you PI\'ed? I feel a good story coming on.
Maurice Timlin, Ireland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 19:25:51 (UTC)
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Linda and Chris,
Your arguments do not carry water.
Since when did you guys need permission to invade, bomb, kill and do you own thing. You\'ve always done what you wanted to do anyway but this time there\'s no material gain in it for you.
Please don\'t come the \"Hard done by\" bit because it just doesn\'t wash. If there was anything in it for the USA you would have forced your way in the manner that you usually do.
Deryck Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 19:23:56 (UTC)
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Doug,
Many thanks for your kind birthday wishes. I am around and read the GNR message board almost every evening. As this is late spring in the UK and being a keen gardener I am spending more and more time outside sowing and planting my veggies thus leaving little time for commenting on recent postings. Is it me who is starting to mellow or are the postings becoming more mundane? It is a while since I read a posting that caused me to rush out a reply or an opposing argument. I think it is time for me to revisit the room for the 10$ argument.
Maurice Timlin, Ireland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 19:11:54 (UTC)
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Another classic example of liberal bull shit! America goes into Iraq to clean up a pathological, murdering maniac and the world calls us imperialistic Yankee pigs. If Bush sent the Marines into Burma who would be the first on this board to condemn him. Bloody hypocrites. When things go wrong you can go and get someone else this time.
Gordon Garlick, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 18:29:49 (UTC)
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Madame Gwyn
keep it clean please.
cheers,
Mark
Mark Steevens, Spain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 18:06:53 (UTC)
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Tina
did it have a wring tone?
cheers,
Mark
Mark Steevens, Spain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 18:05:45 (UTC)
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Hi Doug
Need a bookkeeper at your motel. I\'ll keep the staff in line and set up my side-business at my old home down the road.
Any trouble from customers and I\'ll get out my whips and chains
:)
Have fun
Gwyn
Gwyneth Thomas, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 18:05:31 (UTC)
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Hey Doug,
I didn't wash my cellphone - Tina did. I don't even know where my cellphone is at the moment. Just now I'll go onto skype and phone myself to locate the silly sod.
Oh there it is, at the bottom of my handbag.
Tina, leave the cellphone on the window sill in the sun and let it dry out. It may work again. Depends on how much detergent is in it.
Have fun
Gwyn
Gwyneth Thomas, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 17:47:14 (UTC)
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Linda I wish some people would ask them selv's before they mouth off. "Who is always one of the first to go to the aid when needed. " . They'll I guess will come up with the same answer.
Chris
Christopher Drake, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 16:39:50 (UTC)
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Perhaps some of our reporters on the GNR are not checking the true situation of what the USA is doing for Myanmar?
We have three large ships with medical aid and food standing by that are not being allowed to do anything. We have military helicopters with medical aid, and not even being allowed to \"drop it and leave\" without any of our troops setting foot on Myanmar soil. We have a crap load of assistance, but are being turned away, just like everyone else.
We are doing our part, as usual, but I guess it feels good to pick on us, as usual...
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 16:00:54 (UTC)
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Bill da Hunter
The above site tells of Chiluba's stolen millions.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 14:38:58 (UTC)
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Ian, No oil, therefore no Americans? The last time they went into a country the middle of a humanitarian crisis without a UN resolution there was no oil? Why would you think that's reason they haven't gone into Burma?
David Norris, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 13:20:45 (UTC)
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Zimbabwe's government last month accused Tsvangirai of treason and of working with former colonial power Britain to topple Mugabe in the elections. His Lord sh#t .(Mugabe) is going to have to be very wisdomic to let Morgan take the helm
If Morgan is still alive in June, good luck to him.
What's wrong with all of us, nearly all of Africa thinks Mugabe is ok, and doing a great job. Re..Burma
we all think they are mad, but China thinks all is well there, all is well in Zim, all is well every where in the world, so what are we all jumping up and down for. These people are in high places and must know more than us poor mortals.China does not suffer from inconsistencies like the U.S.A.does.
The whole world is in a mess because of all the bloody tree huggers and doooo goodies.
Allen Walker, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 13:05:08 (UTC)
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Hi Tina
Your attitude is inspirational.
Thinking of you.
Cheers
Roger
Roger Ward, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 12:32:08 (UTC)
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Dear Family and Friends,
It's hard to believe that six weeks ago the MDC won a parliamentary
majority and their leader Morgan Tsvangirai got more presidential votes
than Mr Mugabe. It's even harder to believe that the parliamentary and
presidential losers have managed to completely obfuscate the entire process
and remain in positions of power and authority as if nothing had happened -
as if we'd never had an election at all.
How can this be happening, is the question we are all asking. Its like
being stuck in an impossible horror story. The will of the people has not
been heard. The aspirations of a broken nation have been ignored. The
voices of the majority have been obscured in fear and betrayal. We all
thought that by now the breath of life would have begun blowing through the
country bringing desperately needed food, fuel, medicine and stability.
Perhaps even some of our family and friends, in exile for eight years, may
have begun thinking about coming home. So far the inevitable conclusion
has not taken hold and every day has become a blur of utter exhaustion and
real trauma for ordinary people. Trauma of finding food and having enough
money to buy it and extreme trauma associated with the orgy of violence,
intimidation and retribution which has engulfed our countryside.
While Zimbabwe remains paralyzed in time, every day lost this May 2008 is
condemning us to yet more hunger. We are now in the main wheat planting
season and yet farmers everywhere are in crisis. With inflation at 160
thousand percent, no fuel for ploughing or transporting inputs and
virtually no electricity for irrigation, there seems little hope that we
can grow anywhere near enough wheat for the coming year. The situation is
being exacerbated as farm workers have now been caught up in the brutal
political punishment campaign.
This week the agricultural workers union said 40 thousand farm workers and
their families had been cast out, beaten up and were destitute. The Union's
Secretary General, Gertrude Hambira, said: "Our members and their families
have been left homeless. They have been attacked by a group of militia
wearing army uniforms. They have been accused of voting for the opposition.
Most of them are on the roadsides. We are trying to find ways of taking
food to them."
Every day the international talk is of a global food crisis and yet
Zimbabwe seems hell bent on adding to it. Blessed with fertile soils and a
temperate climate and once proud to be called the breadbasket of Africa, to
our shame Zimbabwe is wasting another wheat growing season. It seems that
bashing heads and breaking legs is far more important than growing food
this winter because losers simply won't accept defeat.
With so much negative news, there is still hope because, even though
convinced he won, Morgan Tsvangirai has agreed to take part in a re-run
Presidential election. Hopefully this means the President-in-waiting will
now come home and see for himself the hell his supporters are enduring.
Until next time, thanks for reading, love cathy. Copyright cathy buckle
10th May 2008
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Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 12:23:33 (UTC)
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Gwyn
Sorry about the cell phone in the washing machine! Tell us if Ian’s methylated spirits repair works. If it doesn’t filter the meths through a loaf of stale bread and you can drown your sorrows. Insert silly smiley thing here.
Tina
I am sorry to hear about your friend the Irish Wolfhound Cozy. I think your attitude is very positive.
Love - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 11:04:49 (UTC)
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Bill jou skelm!
Which of my multiple personalities has a criminal record and for what?
I know traveling Doug got fined for trying to bounce the bar bouncers in Perth, and drunken Doug got fined for breaking a few bottle of Castle beer on a Zambian cop’s head and jumping on his hat and throwing it across the road, but those were more like fun leisure activities than crimes. I know that it was a waste of good beer but my pick handle wasn’t handy.
I would rather have Hotel California (such a beautiful place) back again rather than some of Chiluba’s loot. Although it is now in ruins, I could rebuild it and stock it with beautiful barmaids and waitresses who would all need tickling so there is a job for you straight away. I will certainly sponsor you as I cannot handle all that by myself. You can be the pork pie and green dove pie chef when you are not otherwise occupied.
Bangkok Keith is going to be a partner and is busy recruiting a posse of Thai bar girls for those farangs with exotic tastes. Cool George is also joining us bringing along various blow up dolls. He is busy putting his yacht on a low bed and hauling it up to the new Mufulira mine dam where he will erect a Hout Bay style fish & chip shop and cut a new road thru the shatini direct to Hotel California.
We are planting a pineapple plantation and employing a barman named Philemon to keep Chris happy when he visits. The volcano would present a bigger problem but my Chinese contractors are busy working on it.
For Gordon there will be a chapel to the FSM that will double as a cocktail bar, and the milk will be provided by his daughters Brahman Bulls.
Kitwe Buns and all, and all, we haven’t forgotten you! There will be a Ladies Bar for our burra memsahibs of course; and Brad Pitt and other such movie stars will be kidnapped and put to work as entertainers there. Four by two’s must be handed in at the reception desk please!
Has anyone got any suggestions to add?
Cheers – Doug – suffering sore hands and muscles from the renovation work.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 11:04:02 (UTC)
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Dear Keith,
Thanks for your reply and I agree that the problem is the Military Junta which rules the country.
All that I can say is that we should all weep for the poor people who have no hope of regaining their lives because we will not enforce action to ensure that this happens.
It may be hard under international law to do this ,but it can be done and must be,otherwise we should all die of shame.
Kind regards,
Ian.
Ian Jowett, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 10:14:21 (UTC)
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Maurice
Happy Birthday; have a wonderfull day! You seem to be a bit quiet lately. Wassup?
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 10:14:08 (UTC)
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Ian,
Not arguing with you but the blame has to be laid at the feet of the military junta, nowhere else.
Britain has pledged more aid money than any other nation. There is oil in Burma and lots of other resources. I think Chevron is the main foreign oil company exploring and producing there.
What is America doing? Well, Condoleeza Rice is talking to her opposite number in China today asking them to put pressure on the Burmese junta. That’s pretty hand off action.
Apparently ASEAN got together to pressure the UN to take action but China and Indonesia voted against it and that initiative died on the spot. OK, China’s action was par for the course but Indonesia’s veto doesn’t make sense when they were one of the main recipients of foreign help after the tsunami.
This country’s PM reckons that the Burmese junta is OK because they meditate and must therefore be good Buddhists. He also said that Burma is 50% democratic and that’s good enough. If their opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi chose to marry a farang (foreigner) her British husband, then she shouldn’t expect full rights in Burma. Some years ago this PM served under a PM who was married to a foreigner.
I have never visited Burma but both my parents served behind Japanese lines in Burma at the end of WW2. Before my mum died in London in 1997 she was the last surviving lady member of the Burma Star Association.
I weep for Burma and for the frustration that nobody can do anything about it. I agree 100% with your question “What the hell is going on in the world today? (I don’t think you can actually agree with a question, but you know what I mean.)
Keith Binns, Thailand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, May 10th, 2008 at 09:33:44 (UTC)
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Not having anything to do with Africa or anywhere near it but I can not believe the present situation in the above country.
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