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Ian
The sisters you refer to were they the ones that used to have the farm below the Partons hotel? I see recently there was a Sue Parton posting, was she any relation to Sue and Peter that used to run the Lake View hotel on the way down to Mpulungu and if not does anyone know where Sue and Peter finished up I will never forget her parrot it used to call all the staff stupid bastards as I remember she had to leave on very short notice and her parrot was deported with her bless her I would love to hear from them again. Regards Johnny.
Ps you have made a mistake with your spelling!.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 10:21:11 (PDT)
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PS
I should have made clear that it was Marian Gamwell who undertook the journey.
Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 09:45:06 (PDT)
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Hi All
This is likely to be of interest to those who may be familiar with the Gamwell sisters of Abercorn (Mbala). Personally I don't know anyone who would have dared!
Both sisters were members of the FANY (Johnny - behave yourself!) - First Aid Nursing Yeomanry in WW1 and drove ambulances. In WW2 they both left their farm near Abercorn and took up senior positions in the FANY - Marian Gamwell as the Commandant. The FANY still exists and are building up a website on which I found an account of a 34 day journey overland from Damascus to Delhi.
http://fany.org.uk/html/cairo_to_delhi.html
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 09:43:24 (PDT)
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Images on the "other" server
I seem to have sown confusion amongst the troops. Although the GNR images are now split between two physical servers, the integration is seamless and you don't need to go looking for them elsewhere. Every image available to you is linked through www.greatnorthroad.org or www.northernrhodesia.org.
In actual fact, it is only the images from previous months' message boards that have been archived on a different server. So, if you've been here a while you've already seen those pictures. If you want to see them again, they are still there -- you just have to browse the archives to see them.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 09:13:43 (PDT)
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Help,I'm trying to locate Lucille Cook nee Ball. I received one message from her, but lost her e-mail address when my computer went "Kaput" If anybody knows the where abouts of Lucille, PLEASE, ASK HER TO EMAIL ME.I would so much like to talk to her, & also about her husband Charlie.Thankyou so very much, have a happy day & KEEP SMILING. ----Jim Cash
Jim Cash — Click here to contact me
Btitish Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 06:40:13 (PDT)
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I dont know whether this works all over the world but if it does it is worth trying, my Vodaphone put up 23 numbers when i put the code in but I suppose it will serve the same purpose this info came from SA.
THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY WORTH KNOWING!!!
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> To check your cellular phone's serial number, key in the
> following
> on
> your phone : star hash zero six hash as (*#06#)
> A 15-digit code will appear on the screen. This number is
> unique
> to
> your handset.
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> Write it down and keep it somewhere safe. Should your phone
> be
> stolen, you can phone your service provider and give them
> this
> code.
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> They in turn, will then be able to block your handset, so
> that
> even
> if
> the thief changes the Sim card, your phone will be totally
> useless.
> You probably won't get your phone back, but at least you
> know
> that
> whoever stole it, can't use/sell it either.
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> If everybody did this, there would be no point in stealing
> mobile
> phones anymore.
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> Send this to as many people with mobiles as possible, and
> let's
> make
> the
> thieves lives even more frustrating.
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john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 22:51:59 (PDT)
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Douggie Waybrush Quite an interesting piece about Graham Mason but all became rational to the mind when it stated he was educated in CHINGOLA as I think that at the time it was the drinking capital of the world with more beers per head consumed than any where else in the world, his sad mistake was I note drinking vodka, if he had stuck to whisky and kafue water or any water he would in all probability be still alive today like me, a lesson to be learned here for all the apprentice drinkers about to embark on there careers.
Regards Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 22:31:44 (PDT)
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A funny obit. from the Daily Telegraph . And Germaine when you read through it :
GRAHAM MASON, the journalist who has died aged 59, was in the 1980s the drunkest man in the Coach and Horses, the pub in Soho where, in the half century after the Second World War, a tragicomedy was played out nightly by its regulars.
His claim to a title in bibulous misbehaviour was staked against stiff competition from Jeffrey Bernard and a dedicated cast of less celebrated but formidable drinkers. Mason was a fearsome sight at his most drunkenly irascible. Seated at the bar, his thin shanks wrapped around the legs of a high stool, he would swivel his reptilian stare round behind him to any unfortunate stranger attempting to be served, and snap: "Who the f-- are you?" Sometimes this prompted a reaction, and on one occasion a powerful blow to the head sent Mason flying, with his stool, across the carpet. Painfully clawing himself upright, he set the stool in its place, reseated himself and, twisting his head round again, growled: "Don't you ever do that again."
Unlike his friend Jeffrey Bernard, though, Graham Mason did not make himself the hero of his own tragedy. His speciality was the extreme. In one drinking binge he went for nine days without food. At the height of his consumption, before he was frightened by epileptic fits into cutting back, he was managing two bottles of vodka a day. His face became in his own description that of a "rotten choirboy". At lunchtime he would walk through the door of the Coach and Horses still trembling with hangover, his nose and ears blue whatever the weather. On one cold day he complained of the noise that the snow made as it landed on his bald head.
His practice of "boozer's economics" meant dressing in the shabbiest of clothes, many of them inherited from the late husband of the woman with whom he lived. He wore a threadbare duffel coat with broken toggles. One day it was inexplicably stolen from the pub coathook. Jeffrey Bernard took the opportunity to combine kindness with condescension by buying a replacement of much grander design and cloth.
From the 1960s on, Mason was a friend of many of the painters as well as the writers, actors, layabouts, retired prostitutes, stagehands and hopeless cases that then gave Soho its flavour. He enjoyed talking to Francis Bacon in the Colony Room Club because Francis Bacon was very funny; and, until they finally had a row, Francis Bacon enjoyed talking to him.
Mason had a gift for contriving very telling nicknames. A failed actress who rode a bicycle and was addicted to tittle-tattle became "The Village Postmistress". Gordon Smith, a stage-door keeper of fussy temperament, was "Granny Gordon". One barman was "Princess Michael".
In a couple of hours one evening in February 1988 he had loud altercations with John Hurt ("You're just a bad actor"); with a law writer nicknamed The Red Baron, who was later murdered ("You know I don't like you. Go away and leave me alone."); and with Jeffrey Bernard (who stood up and shook him by the lapels). Michael Heath often featured Mason in his strip-cartoon The Regulars. In one episode he is shown apologising for being so rude the night before: "You see, I was sober."
Amid the violence of Soho arguments he became a friend of Elizabeth Smart, the Canadian author of By Grand Central Station I Sat Down and Wept, a book about her lover George Barker, the poet, who became another friend. Mason succeeded in liking Francis Bacon's final close friend, John Edwards, which some people did not; and the poet John Heath-Stubbs took a shine to him.
One of his first friends in Soho was John Deakin, the photographer, whom he defended against the charge, put about by Daniel Farson, of being cruel to everyone. "The only man John Deakin was unkind to was David Archer," Mason asserted. David Archer, who ran a bookshop at a loss, was the man Deakin lived with.
Mason felt at home in the Colony in the years before homosexuality was decriminalised because no one minded one way or the other.
Mason's own closest friendship was with Marsh Dunbar, the widow of an admired art director at The Economist. He lodged with her at first in a fine early-19th-century house in Canonbury Square, Islington, where she was bringing up three sons. She had herself fallen into Soho after the War, knowing everyone from John Minton to Lucian Freud. Though enthusiastically heterosexual, she lived with Mason until her death.
In the days before licensing liberalisation, he resorted in the afternoon when pubs were closed to drinking clubs such as the Kismet, a damp basement with a smell that wits identified as "failure"; it was known as The Iron Lung and Death in the Afternoon. Mason admired the diminutive but firm presence behind the bar, known as Maltese Mary. But his favourite resort remained the Colony.
Graham Edward Mason was born on July 19 1942 in Cape Town, South Africa. He had been conceived on a sand dune, and to this, as a devotee of Laurence Sterne's Tristram Shandy, he sometimes attributed his abrasive character. He was educated at Chingola, Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia), and then joined a local newspaper. From there, as a bright and promising 18-year-old, he was recruited for the American news agency UPI by its bureau chief in Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia (now Harare, Zimbabwe).
He learned fast as a reporter of the civil war in Congo, finding the veterans from the Algerian war among his colleagues both kind and helpful. He witnessed a line of prisoners executed with pistol shots to the head, and was himself injured in the thigh and chin by a mortar shell. Among those he interviewed in a Rhodesia moving towards UDI were Joshua Nkomo and Robert Mugabe; he did not take to the latter.
Posted to the UPI office in London in 1963, he set off in a Land Rover with three friends and no proper map, through Tanganyika, Kenya, Ethiopia and Sudan to Port Sudan on the Red Sea, and thence on an East German ship via Trieste to Hull.
From UPI's London office in Bouverie Street, Mason soon discovered Soho, and, like many before him, felt he had come home. He continued as a foreign correspondent, taking a year out in 1968 to work for 20th-Century Fox on feature films, which he hated. With BBC Television News he reported from the Northern Ireland troubles, and in 1975 took another year out to run a bar in Nicosia. It happened to coincide with civil war, and he and Marsh Dunbar were lucky to be evacuated by the RAF. From then until 1980 he worked for ITN. One day he was found asleep under his desk, drunk. It was something of a low point.
He was living with Marsh Dunbar in a flat in Berwick Street, Soho. A fire there sent them, fleeing bills, to a run-down council tower-block on the Isle of Dogs. The compensation was a view of a sweep of the Thames towards Greenwich. He worked while he still could managing Bobby Hunt's photographic library.
Graham Mason cooked Mediterranean food well, liked Piero della Francesca and Fidelio, choral evensong on the Third Programme and fireworks. After Marsh Dunbar's death in 2001, with almost all his friends dead, he sat imprisoned by emphysema in his flat, with a cylinder of oxygen by his armchair and bottles of white wine by his elbow, looking out over the Thames, still very angry.
Reprinted in the entirety. Thank you to the Daily Telegraph.
Doug
Douggie Waybush — Click here to contact me
London
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 16:30:22 (PDT)
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WANTED
I`ve been let down by my SUDSA maker and if I make it , it`ll look more like porridge than sudsa. So I need a volunteer to make the SUDSA. The condition is that you must be fully qualified and be prepared to take any abuse if it anything less than perfect.
Also.
Will all attendees please do a rain dance in reverse. ( bloody British weather).
See you all on Saturday.
The LION tastes wonderful.
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 08:22:00 (PDT)
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Sheesh! I still have the use of my right arm at the moment, and all I see are typo's in my message below. Read "bagen" as "began", and "in" as "is"...
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 08:11:29 (PDT)
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Now I KNOW that the world in overrun by ex-NR/Z'ians! I was at my favourite coffee shop today, and bagen chatting to my neighbour at the table next to me... turns out he's from Kitwe! Grief!, these Zambians are really everywhere!
Anyone remember Robbie Pace?
Of course I told him about the GNR site, and he's more than likely, going to see this message - so hiya Robbie. I'll be in touch.
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 08:08:05 (PDT)
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To the voice from beyond if I keep the lights on in my hotel bedroom it will be for me to see what I am getting not what is getting me. love Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Monday, April 29, 2002 at 03:12:06 (PDT)
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Craig and Heather
Finally!!! I can access the photos from this month. Whatever you did, Craig, it has worked. Heather, the photos are fantastic! And anyone else who submitted photos, thanks very much.
Kevin Shone and Viv Raubenheimer
I know you two are out on the town in Ndola. Keep him in line, Kevin. And I'm still waiting for my ticket to come and work at the Lodge, Viv???
There is a noted absence of Moi Moo Five Cows these days?? No doubt you are building up your strength...
Has anyone heard how Miles and Sue Parton are doing since their move to Cape Town?
Bwana Grins
I have a message for you, from beyond. I am supposed to tell you that you should be alone in the hotel both nights or you will be haunted by an apparition in red who is quite a tap dancer herself. I would recommend sleeping with the lights on, myself. At least that way you will see what gets you... He! He!
Have a great week, all.
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 20:31:44 (PDT)
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To the very kind person who sent me an em with Brian Joyce's em address thanks ever so much unfortunately I emailed him and it was sent back user unknown could you perhaps seeing you are in contact with him ask him to email me sorry about using the message board as a go between, but at this stage its the only way because unfortunately I deleted the message I received from the very kind person! Love and Hugs to all on the board Irene White (Barnard)
Irene White — Click here to contact me
Fergus,Ontario, Canada
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 12:13:07 (PDT)
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DES KENNY,
Des in the instructions that you posted on how to get to the hotel, you state that Leasowe Road is the first exit off the road that is the first exit off the roundabout at the bottom of the slip road from junction 1. But you dont say if this exit onto Leasowe road is to the left or the right?
please advize.
Thank you,
barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon tyne, England.
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 10:34:42 (PDT)
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Linda
Good luck on your wing clipping for Tuesday, ..all the best..
oh and by the way I reiterate with Tina those magazines were tremendous..Leah just loves the horse magazine in fact has snaffled it...oh and I can tell you it is really looked after.treats it like it was gold ...
take care
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 09:15:49 (PDT)
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Dawie:
I know you are only 52, but I said 53 because it worked with my limerick. Luv ya!
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 07:52:47 (PDT)
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Johnny & Doug
Thank you both for the best wishes for my wing clipping on Tuesday. This is really not going to be fun this time, as being my right arm (yup, I'm right-handed) I am not going to be of much use. Will HAVE to have husband do absolutely everything for me!!
Tina
Yes, me, my wing, and my Rhodesian Ridgebacks... Thanks for the wishes.
I am so glad you finally received the mags et al. We love doing them and passing on information, and teaching fellow Africans. HQ - Horse Quarterly - is wonderful to do, as I am simply nuts about horses. But then I am nuts about any animal for that matter. I managed to rescue a small snake yesterday from our gardeners who were about to kill it! They were simply amazed when I just reached down and picked it up - must be the Zambian upbringing I had... However, I do know my snakes, and I put this particular one near our dam amongst some shrubbery and 'tanning' rocks.
Ridgebacks' eyes? ... They are the best, and so full of character. They tell you whole stories just by looking into them! Enjoy the mags etc. And yes, we do overseas subscriptions... Speak to me - anyone on the GNR - and I will get you a good rate seeing that I have inroads and obvious "connections" to our magazines!"
Dawie
Great Birthday Dude! Ride those bikes sober now, you hear!
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 07:43:59 (PDT)
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Northerners!
I thought I was "hated by millions"... I reckon that it pretentious as hell to think that even millions know of me... nevermind then.
thanks to all for the sweet greetings... it touched my heart, ag nee, big ugly old horrible me is gonna cry...
but listen hey, on the day of birthday, my computer just stopped. i know what the problem is... it is hardware the dvd cd combo drive. it is naf. not the os or the mac.
but that means i had to lower myself to go to an internet cafe and use this stupid cheap rubbish NOT QA'd horrible OS you all use (Windows)
I make so many mistakes because the key is crap and you can't automatically enlarge the text for ancient old crumudgeons like me.
but hey i made it to 52 hey?
i also left my specs at home.
ag nee, ik ga na huis toe, ik is gatvol.
dankie vir alles. ik ben leif voor jou alles. well not everyone... but then i got no birthday greetings from THEM...
no don;t go there dawie on your birthday. tommorow is my mums.i will tell you a story about that one day... why i reckon i am the way i am.
i love ,y ma
i love my pa
thanks ma amd pa for having me in the most wonderful country in the world and the best continent in the universe.
ons vir jou suid-afrika!
DAWIE DIE BEDONDERED BLIKSEM
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 06:22:41 (PDT)
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Dawie
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO U MATE. HAVE A VAST NUMBER OF DUTCH BEERS AND AFTERWARDS WATCH OUT FOR THOSE CANALS WHEN STUMBLING IN TH DARK! HAVE A WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY.
The Brasso Clan.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 03:52:20 (PDT)
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David Cooper
Dear Founder,
A very happy birthday to you, mate. May the mozzies in the swamps of the lowerlands never come up to your flat and may your age never stop you trolling the redlights.
If that is not too rude to wish for a semi-socialist bermpounder, then I dont know what is.
Cheers and many ore
Bill(William T.C.) Knott — Click here to contact me
8119 Bank Street, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K0A 2P0.
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 03:30:44 (PDT)
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Happy Birth day Dawie and keep away from the edge of the canals today.
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Deathly silence from Australian outback on the subject of misdemeanors in Chingola.
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To our buddy in Botswana you must have been a naughty boy like I was and not taken your anti tabs but be very careful I finished up with Blackwater fever after having seven cases of what the docs called neglected malaria and believe me you dont want that so get gulping those pills down you.
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To all you lurkers in the UK make an effort to come to the Bash next Saterday night I know there are a lot of you and would like to see you all there as would we all. Regards to all Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 03:14:19 (PDT)
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Dawie - you "ou doorn",
A belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands - Cape Town
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 03:13:46 (PDT)
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Dawie
Veels geluk met jou verjaarsdag!
or
Van harte gefeliciteerd met je verjaardag!
or
Happy Birthday!
Take your choice - I never know what baladdy language you're talking in these days so just add old sod to the end of any lines above
Sark
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 02:03:31 (PDT)
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Dawie
Now what do you want me to say,
Fifty two years old today!!
And weren't you such a cute little boy
Your mum and dad's pride and joy
Growing up in Nkana East
Terrorising every man and beast
Always with a catapult or a gun
Yes, but it was lots of fun
For you, they just could not tame
the town has never been the same
En nou bly jy in Bloemstraat
But Dawie please, have a heart
When you really start to jol
Even the Dutch might get gatvol
For you of course, it's very easy
You're from just north o' the Zambezi.
'Cileekalipa apa' you will say
and also 'Nshileelaala' hey?
Don't get yourself into a rage
I'm afraid its something that comes with age.
Happy Birthday and tukamonana pali cine
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 01:02:54 (PDT)
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DAWIE
Wishing you a bright and beautiful day for your birthday, and may all your wishes in the world come true...
from Alix, Alice, Jade and Leah...
thanks for bringing the GNR to the world...
forever greatful
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 00:49:15 (PDT)
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Graham delighted that you are going to make it to Wallesey
is the old man coming up as well? see you there mate Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 00:09:54 (PDT)
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Note re. Malaria Cure:
Please note, I cannot vouch for or against the information I passed on. I have no special knowledge of it or of the purchase source nor do I have medical training. Hopefully Ian or his friends in Africa have a source they trust.
Having said that I would also want my people to check it out for me if I had malaria.
Let me know by email if I can help further. I'd like to if my help is needed.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 22:46:10 (PDT)
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MALARIA CURE:
Arinate can be bought from the link with the Mosquito picture on it at www.malariacure.com also info at www.artesunate.com and www.dafra.be
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 22:23:45 (PDT)
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Linda Moult
So much has happened recently to us to intercept this message, started a couple of times before, but your package came, and thank you! I just love these magazines you and your hubby turn out. Animal Talk and HQ - South Africa's Horse Quarterly are beautiful quality, a treat for the eyes and full of really worthwhile information. There aren't many mags I'll bother to buy a subscription to but yours won't be passed up.
Re. the two articles on Ridgies working with Rangers in Kruger National Park and "The Hottentot Hunting Dog" - if you feel like it, I'm sure other GNR readers would also love you to write on this site about the often misunderstood role and current use of Ridgies. I loved your pin-up of Chibuluma Ugazi in the one mag. She is a glorious ridgeback. As I looked at her I remembered stroking (and smelling) the sun-warm short russet coat and broad head of my Moffat back at the farm and in our early years in Kabulonga and I saw again the expression in her brown eyes. Ridgeback eyes are something else aren't they?
Thanks hey!
...But now I am very confused. WHICH LINDA?
Is it Linda M who is getting the other wing operated on or Linda D who is getting something further done to her wing? I just don't know if it's the Bird in the hand (i.e. down the road in Austin) or the Bird in the Bush (i.e. S.A. - poetic licence used). Whichever of you it is, all the very best for a successful op and painfree recovery.
The Bird(brain) in Dallas.
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 21:55:49 (PDT)
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Dawie
To Linda perfect birthday poem I shall simply add:
When they made our Dawie
They cooked up a great batch
Good Dutch beer - there's some poetry
Quick Dave! Down the hatch!
Happy Birthday from the Magees
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 20:59:30 (PDT)
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Dawie
Happy Birthday!
Linda
Good luck with the op.
Everyone
Ian Meyrick in Botswana has just had an unpleasant bout of malaria. I have read a few months back of a new medicine that completely cures malaria, even the resistant strains, but I cannot remember the name or details. Does anyone have any info on this?
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 20:21:13 (PDT)
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Hi All:
I was sitting in a sports barber shop while my son had his hair cut today and I idly glanced over to the big screen TV just as the the word "Zambia" caught my attention. Most Americans have no idea what or where Zambia is. It turned out to be the Strongman of the World competion, being held right at the Livingstone side of the Vic Falls! I was mesmerized - as much by the incredible strength of the men as I was by the beauty of the scenery. It was being held right at the Falls, perhaps in the grounds of a hotel there? The camera man skillfully captured the Falls over and over in the background as men with bulging muscles pulled train engines up a slope with their bare hands, and held up steel pillars while grimacing in pain. I came away after watching for several minutes, totally breathless. A double bonus.. it doesn't get any better than that. He! He!
Message for Bugs Da Silva:
You are just posting mean things about me because I could eat a beer glass and you couldn't. And yes, I confess, it was me who stole your distributor from your engine.. Do you remember when you and I were in that stunt car that went around the rugby field on two wheeles at Kitwe Playing Fields when those dare devil drivers came to town? I think Lydia Lawlor was in the car with us. You were shaking so bad when we all got out, whispering desperately to me, "Hold me up so the buns can't see I'm about to flake out.." Luv ya!
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 18:56:55 (PDT)
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Apologies up front if my html is messed up...
To Dawie van der Bliksem Cooper
There once was a young lad named Dave
Who never learned how to behave
He travelled afar, on his bike or by car
In search of the all-perfect rave
He sailed in a ship 'cross the sea
His case to the Dutch he did plea
Now he drinks so much grog, in the land of the clog
While he ushers in age 53
Happy Birthday, Dave!
From Linda and Beauteous the Departed
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 18:38:15 (PDT)
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SCARSCALP
I know I have let the side down but unfortunately there is nothing I can do about it. I can trust you to fight the NCHANGA corner on your own. Johnny Green will back you up he's an ex Chingola copper.
Cheers
Mark
MARK POWELL — Click here to contact me
TAUNTON SOMERSET UK
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 17:04:06 (PDT)
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June,
Were those Nigerian messages you received sent through the Names Directory, or were they regular e-mail? Messages sent through the Names Directory are very short and have tracking information at the bottom, as well as an e-mail address to forward them to if they are spam.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 14:03:48 (PDT)
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Dear Linda it is getting close to mending wing time I hope you are using it sensibly and getting as much down your neck as possible before Teusday morning as you will not get any in there for a while I think I speak for us all when we wish you a painless operation and a speedy recovery on the 30th Regards Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 13:14:41 (PDT)
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CHILUBA vs CHILUBA
An excellent way to get rich quick is to be the ex-wife of an ex-president. This is what Mrs Vera Chiluba is claiming from ex president Chiluba in her application to Ndola High Court:-
She wants US$2.5billion in a lump sum, and claims she can prove he has the funds available. She also requires maintenance for their nine children, none of whom are in gainful employment. She also needs a share in 6 properties in Ndola and a commercial farm in Chisamba. Also she needs a new executive Mercedes Benz 500 (or 600). a new Land Cruiser, a new Nissan Patrol, drivers as well and a court order for the return of 400 cattle, sheep and goats which are still at State Lodge.
This was taken from the Zambia Post and was also reported in The Zambia Society Newsletter compliled by the glamorous Maggie Currie.
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Are African presidents the only ones so clever in accumalating wealth so quickly? Even ex president Marcos of the Philipines didnt get hold of such huge amounts in such a short time.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 12:52:22 (PDT)
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Alix my daddy used to say to me that smells are always different to a dwarf in a lift. Love Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 09:50:32 (PDT)
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Craig:
Thought you might like to know I have received 5 of those pleading e-mails from the Nigerians ( or whatever )this morning, so it seems they have not been blocked out...am I the only one targeted. Of course they went right into the garbage can..
June Bohl — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, USA
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 08:56:31 (PDT)
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Linda,et al...
Hello stranger, how are you??
I thought ALL of NR/Zambia was the centre of the KNOWN universe..at least that is how I see it..
beautiful, beloved NR/Zambia....
ciao
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 07:55:23 (PDT)
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Yeh! ... KALULUSHI ... my place!
My Kennel name for my Rhodesian Ridgebacks is 'Chibuluma'.
Yessssssssssssssss
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 07:48:36 (PDT)
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Elias
You know what thought did ??? giggles
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 04:44:27 (PDT)
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Brasso
Before I joined the army..way back when??..I always thought I was the dizzy, lofty, height of 5ft exactly....well sadly the army not only pushed me into shape so to say but also shrank me, I am officialy 4ft 11...and even now I measure that same height..I always hoped to have grown taller as I got older,unfortuneatly an old wives tale ...or maybe it was because I just wasn't given enough Kafue river water....one good thing for me though because I am not going to the bash you will still be the shortest there....or are there any other shorter people than you attending.....can someone enlighten me about that ....but I must say good things come in small packages...
cheers
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 04:40:43 (PDT)
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Garry Brasso
Alix is desperate to find an adult her own size. I think she is only 4 foot 9 inches. So be warned, although you may be safe as you are a bit on the tall side.
You are right about the advantages of being short. My wife had a childrens clothes shop that sold a lot of fancy imported clothes and a lot of her customers were small women. Mainly because the prices are much lower than adult clothes because you dont pay Value Added Tax on kids clothes.
Regards
Elias.
ps. Did you notice Des Kennys exellent play on words? "You look up to him"
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 04:38:28 (PDT)
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Kevin Stone.-- And all the other so-called geographers out there,
KALALUSHI IS THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE and the correct spelling is KALULUSHI. I would appreciate it if you and all the others would spell it correctly. Remember -- KALULUSHI. If you can't handle that use Chibuluma or Chib.
Thank you for your time
Regards Gordon.
Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey. The United States of America
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 04:26:08 (PDT)
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Alex Key
Ohhh errrrrrr! Do I really want to disclose my height (or lack of it) in a public forum! Oh - what the hell - all of me is a meare 5 Ft 2 Ins - short but nice! Besides the air down here is cleaner (those taller folks breathe all that pollution and have their heads in clouds so can't see well) and I have the advantage of getting to the bar in a crowd quicker - I just walk between the bodies of those taller than me. High bars can be a problem though - I'm alright if there's a foot bar rail though - I just stand on that and can see over top!!!! Hee hee. Check back at the Bath Bash (Sept/Oct 2001) pictures of me and Des Kenny - the "tall & short" of it U might say! Now come clean and reveal your height Alex!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 04:08:50 (PDT)
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Brasso
As a short person I am curious to know how tall or how short you are.....
Shorty Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 03:51:21 (PDT)
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Mark Powell - Taunton
Wot! Not comming to Wallasey!!!!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrr. As Graham Nelson (Scarscalp) said in his posting - an ex-Nchanga rugger player not attending Wallasey is called a "WOOOSE". Please call Graham to obtain explanation of this term. We need the Powell clan at Wallasey as Graham may feel intimidated as he will probably be the only Nchanga attendee there!!!!!
Elias G
I only used the term MR for Kenny as I was in a polite mood! He calls me "Sir or Bwana" - as being younger than I he respects me age (I think)! Hee hee - if U believe that U believe anything! I look at him eye to eye as well - ONLY WHEN I STAND ON A CHAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moo Moo 5 Cows, Brenda, Fi Fi & Heather; Lydia & other Ladies (too many to mention).
Get your best "bib & tucker" on ladies! Wallasey Wallow is drawing nigh! We have lots of drinkies to consume and fun to participate in! Looking forward to seeing you all in person again & at last. Ohhhhhhhh! Just watch out for John Green & Elias - charmers the pair of them!
Ian/Lorraine Forbes & Pappy/Shirley Papier (an others) - looking forward to seeing you all at long last in Wallasey.
Ian Forbes - call me in week after 14.30 Hrs to advise what time U R expecting to arrive in Banbury from London on the Saturday morning May 4? I wonder if I should stock boot of car with Castle or Lion as stoppover refreshments(N Rhodie style)!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 03:40:36 (PDT)
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LINDA DORE
Bugs was most upset that I didn't give you the "whole birthday message" but I'm sure you can imagine what he said! he wants to know do you still enjoy riding your bicycle without the seat on and no handle bars? Sounds like he was a very pleasant young lad!! I'm glad I got to know him in his early 20s, he's bad enough now!!
I am posting this on behalf of my sister Denise Mooney, as she broke her password and still can't get through. - (Hi Craig)
ELIAS GEORGOPOLOUS
I saw Jo and Clive last night, she has had a house full of "When we's" the past six weeks, so hasn't had a chance to visit the site. She is hoping to get a chance this weekend and will drop you a line.
Jacquie Ross
Jacquie Ross (Now van Belkum) — Click here to contact me
Durban, Westville, Kwazulu Natal, S.A.
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 02:54:50 (PDT)
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Dave,
Growing up in Kasama was great for us kids although we lived on a farm and didn’t have too much to do with the “townies.” As a Provincial Centre most of the people there were on a three year tour and so one never managed to keep friends for long before they moved on.
I have just read in today’s paper that my beloved Northern Province, the centre of the universe is going to be split into two with Mpika destined to become the Provincial Capital for the new North Eastern Province, what next, Kalalushi the capital of Western Copperbelt???
Look after Heather for us and don’t forget to send her back please, we are missing her already and she has not left yet.
Kevin
Kevin Shone — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 01:53:40 (PDT)
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ELIAS,
I don`t make Gary call me Mr. Des Kenny, it`s just that he does look up to me.
I have had a few people contacting me at the last minute , who are now coming to the Wallasey Bash, they have been catered for. If there are any others out there, we can cater for you too.
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 01:17:51 (PDT)
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This month's images... one more time.
I have moved this month's images back onto this server. For those that already managed to see them, you can ignore this message. For those that never managed to see this month's pictures for some reason, you should now be able to see them with no problems.
Sorry for the problems.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 01:09:56 (PDT)
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Hey Powell,
As an ex NCHANGA rugby player I officially declare you a "WOOOSE". Failure to attend reunions is unaceptable, especially when work is used as the excuse. Phone me if you want to fight about being called a WOOSE.
CHeersnbeersworsnbiltong
Graham Nelson — Click here to contact me
Bath UK
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 23:40:05 (PDT)
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Bad news about the Jesus Tree surely some one somewhere has got a photo of it, I am ashamed to say after nearly 20 years in Chingola and passing it just about every day I never took a pic of it, I know a great friend of mine had one but he unfortunately passed a way in Pine town many years ago, but I think maybe his daughter and her husband are still in Chingola his name was Cyril Wilcox and Maybe if she reads this she might just ask her Mother (if she is still with us) to send the pic so she can scan it to Arthur as it is well worth seeing, Fingers Crossed Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 23:14:27 (PDT)
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Northeners,
All those that were asking about the Jesus tree on the Bancroft road will be disappointed to learn that it has been chopped down. this caused outrage as there was a preservation order on it.
All those attending the Wallesey wing ding have yourselves a brilliant night. Sorry but the powell clan will not be able to attend as I am stacked out with work.
Brasso, youll have to find another cook to assist you with wors,steaks & pirri pirri chicken.
Make sure there are plenty of photos.
Craig,
how do people register for IDs & passwords??
Cheers for now
Mark Powell
MARK POWELL — Click here to contact me
TAUNTON SOMERSET UK
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 15:14:44 (PDT)
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Garry Brasso
Why does Des Kenny make you call him Mr Des Kenny?
I thought you were good friends?
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 14:38:12 (PDT)
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Lynne and Leslie,
Here's holding thumbs for you! My father had similar ops. when he was 78 - and has not looked back. The ops. were performed in a small hospital. Not state of the art, but in Bethlehem - in the Orange Free State South Africa, by an eye-specialist called Staple. Today, at the age of 83, he's got the eyes of a young man.
Sheelagh, Thelma Peters and/or Stuart Goodwin and/or Billy Wilson and/or A.N.Other,
When do we see photos of the Broken Hill reunion in Johannesburg? A group of 58+ people from BH should be newsworthy. Cape Town was the first City to have a GNR get-together, and the BH'ers never let us down - n'est ce pas -Peter Morris?
Regards
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands - Cape Town
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 11:57:39 (PDT)
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Sitting here in sunny Edinburgh pissing it up with my old mate Robert 'the reprobate' Hamilton from Kitwe,missing for many years and found through these pages. Thanks Dawie for your vision; Craig, Arthur et al for the effort. See you all in Wallasey.
George Maxwell — Click here to contact me
Draughty Edwardian house in Edinburgh
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 10:31:02 (PDT)
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LYNN SZEFTEL
I trust all went well with the cataract operation, Leslie
had this morning.
Let it be a huge success and good health and the best of
luck to both of you.
Regards,
Nico Stapelberg
Nico Stapelberg — Click here to contact me
Perth Western Australia
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 08:55:39 (PDT)
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Gary,
Your wrong mate, there are no rooms available at the Leasowe Castle it is fully booked. But there are other hotels available.
For all attending the pre bash, visit ( alcohol tasting) on the friday night. Can I ask everyone attending to meet in the Leasowe Castle bar at precisely 7.30. ( not 7.29 and not 7.31). Why you may wonder, well be there at 7.30 and find out.
And bring your camera`sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
This is proving to be very hard, keeping my hands off this LION.
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 06:41:52 (PDT)
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Dave Cooper
Leasowe Castle Hotel, Wallasey, Merseyside telephone number is 0151 606 9191.
OTHERS
The Time is drawing nearer to the
GREAT NORTH ROAD EVENT !!!!!
You are invited to attend the ........
The Wallasey in The Wirral Wallow.
Saturday, May 4 2002
19.30 Hours till late !!!!
Wallasey Rugby Club, Wallasey, Merseyside.
Contact: Mr Des Kenny
Tel: 07762 754071
E. Mail: des_kenny18@hotmail.com
Braai, Beer, Wors, Biltong & Boerermusiek !
Only £ 20.00 per head.
Accommodation - Please Note!
There is limited room available at the Leasowe Castle Hotel, Wallasey at a GNR reduced rate.
For further information telephone the hotel on Tel.: 0151 606 9191(quote Des Kenny when booking).
Thank you!
Gary Brasso - for the GNR
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Friday, April 26, 2002 at 02:15:19 (PDT)
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Phew!
Had to use Craig' alternative method of inserting the password after what seems like ages to a computer dunce like me.
Just to say that can't make the bash on the 4th of May, much as I would love to, as it is my wife's second 25th birthday. You will understand that not to attend that takes more courage than even an ex-GNR can muster! Hope everyone there has a great time. Will be thinking of you as I tuck into my canepes and cheese & oninion on toothpicks!
Many kids went to Kingswood college and if anyone interested they have a great web-site which I believe is www.Kinswoodcollege.com. If not there, try asking Jeeves.
david
David Atkiss — Click here to contact me
Nottingham
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 15:08:35 (PDT)
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Northerners!
I don't get viruses and such on my computer (it's not a PC and it doesn't run Windows), but you should consider this...
If you have a lot of unprotected intercourse, and you are very promiscuous with your email (chain letters, forwarding listed posts, opening everything you get), then you are going to pick up lots of viruses.
Practice a little "safe email" exchange and don't be such an easy email shag and you will find you get less viruses.
Just a friendly reminder....
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Zambesi to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 12:37:03 (PDT)
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Graham
Nice to see a European presence on the GNR!!!
I have contacted you by e-pos, so check your queue.
I am in Amsterdam. Looking forward to making contact.
Tot ziens
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 12:27:48 (PDT)
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ANYBODY ATTENDING RIVERAIN PRIMARY SCHOOL EARLY 1960's
I was born in Nkana Kitwe and attended Riverain Primary School until around 1960 before departing for South Africa.
I have now lived in Europe for more than 20 years and would be interested to contact anybody who may have been at school with me at the time....
Please reply with details and perhaps we can make contact .
Graham Kresfelder — Click here to contact me
Monte Carlo, Monaco
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 12:20:50 (PDT)
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Hi Northerners,
Just a small request wishing us good health as Leslie is booked in to our ultra new modern Eye Hospital here in Lusaka for a cataract operation tomorrow morning.
Thanks all
Lynn
Lynn Szeftel — Click here to contact me
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 11:45:29 (PDT)
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I had a message from Glen Kotzen's wife Kathi last night.They have a big runner on Champion's day at Turfontein on Saturday in Race 4 called First World. The filly is a fantastic filly and though taking on strong company they rate her very highly. At 10/1 if she travels well she is a big runner.
Bet of the day though is Wolf Whistle in the Derby who has been backed to win both this race and the July.
At present you may be able to 40/1 or a stretch on both races.
Seems good value now with the work he has been putting in against his much vaunted world class Flight Alert.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 10:42:54 (PDT)
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Hi there to all on the message board. I don't know if I am correct but have I seen somewhere that Brian Joyce posted a message I have checked the names directory he is not there. So Brian if you read this could you contact me as John Howard your old pal wants to contact you. Love and Hugs to all Irene Barnard
Irene White — Click here to contact me
Fergus,Ontario, Canada
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 10:37:35 (PDT)
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Sad news to us all.
George Diakogeorgiou who some of you may remember at Kitwe Garage, Kawiko emerald mine or Kankoyo Breweries died last night after a very sudden heart attack.
I will remember George very fondly as a very close friend of my fathers and will not forget a moment of the bright shining face and laughter he leaves with us all.
A very keen fisherman and hunter George will be sadly missed.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 10:36:00 (PDT)
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This month's images
I am aware that some people have not been able to view this month's images. Today in particular there is a major problem and I can't even get to the server. When I can once again reach the secondary server, I will put the images on the main server and everyone will have no problem seeing them again. Sorry for the problems.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 10:11:58 (PDT)
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Sue,
The message that you apparently received from me is not from me and it is a virus. Please see my message a few back to Jill and Linda on the matter. Your anti-virus software should have caught it.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 09:29:10 (PDT)
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Dawie et al......
You were right about the quince belonging to the rose family, in fact the amazinging thing about the quince it comes from the class. Magnoliopsida ..the magnolia family...order. Rosales family. Rosaceae...
the flowering quince is the Japonica, which the hips are used to make jam...and the roots of the Quince are used for root stock for pears....I hope that little bit of information is helpful ...
ciao
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 08:36:51 (PDT)
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G'day ALL
Craig - I have today received a very strange e-mail from you from an address of yours that I don't recognise. The message contained a game. I hope it wasn't something nasty...
I also received a blank one from Des Kenny.
Neither of you are in my address book. I use Yahoo and scan and clean, so hopefully it's all OK. Does anyone have the email address MUKI? I received an email from that person too but didn't open it!
I do realise that none of this was intentional.
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 08:30:38 (PDT)
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Northerners
Has everyone noticed the names that Dawie keeps on changing to bring to Amsterdam ?? Interesting game....I am learning a lot...
Ciao
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 07:47:34 (PDT)
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SOD THE EAGLE.........THE LION HAS LANDED.
It is safe in my shed.
Don`t forget the Auction, bring lots of money. Loads of Zambian items.
Anyone want direction on how to get to the Lighthouse pub, just ring me on 07762-754-071
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:52:20 (PDT)
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Kevin
You know all the braggardly talk by us boys about how many Six of the Best we took without a quince, wince or pinch reminds me of all the punishment meted out by my dad.
The things I did as a young lad. No wonder I am the horror I am today! But boys will be boys.
Has anyone on the site ever explained what it was like growing up in Kasama? To us Copperbelt xenophobes, NR was just the Copperbelt, we even excluded Lusaka as just a "bunch of civil servants" from England.
What can you tell us? (Sorry if I put you on the spot)...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Miami to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:34:22 (PDT)
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Dave
We grew quinces on our farm in Kasama but the fruit was very sour and many a first tooth came out as a result of eating them raw.
It brings to mind a rather painful experience resulting from a whipping we got with a quince stick when we nearly burned down the garage with the tractor inside. The roof of this garage was thatched and as boys do we used to pull out a straw, light it, and play fire-fighters dousing the fire before it took hold. One day we misjudged our expertise and to our utter horror the roof caught light. Fortunately the fire was put out by the farm hands before too much damage was done but later we three boys had to choose the stick that we thought was the least painful, cut and trim it and then bend over. I must say that we never tried that stunt again.
Kevin Shone — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:22:16 (PDT)
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N o r t h e r n e r s!
I am unable to get into the archives to search for a telephone number once posted.
Email to Des Kenny is not answered.
Can someone please post the telephone number to me for the Leasowe Castle.
Northern Rhodesian content is assured. One of the reasons I created the Great North Road web site just reared her head after 30 years absence... as soon as she has a moment, I hope to make an introduction. This will be about the fifth person I have found with this web site, so I reckon it worked for me!
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Angwa to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 05:59:20 (PDT)
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Dear Amanda your mother is chicken tell her I said so,Now I have got the bit between my teeth come on you trackers who knows where the Breen family are now and can any one in Chingola remember an incident involving a Mcintosh and a Breen it canot have had any criminal association or I would have heard of it, perhaps a woman involved? this will stir mam into some sort of retort even if it is fffat chance of me telling him any more, tell your dad we never give up it will be better if he comes clean that way he may get a little symphathy for his misdameanor, regards to Mammy and Daddy love to you Johnny.
PS And to all you Quince munchers have a sexy weekend.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 03:38:23 (PDT)
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Northerners!
Quince are certainly part of the wonderful panorama of African fruits. Often my mother would prepare them by baking them in the oven with honey. Much like a baked apple.
Quince are related to roses. In fact, I believe the quince fruit is similar to a rosehip.
In Africa you will find quince growing quite well in South Africa. I remember seeing them on the Rand, and in the Cape.
The climate in Northern Rhodesia may have been too close to subtropical to be condusive to their growth.
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Hunyani to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 03:03:59 (PDT)
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Dear Johnny
Apparently my father visited Chingola with a Chap called Tom Breen from Ndola ..... My mother will not say anything else. Perhaps if anyone knows Tom, his wife or children who were last heard of in Hatfield, Herts, they could him what happened
Amanda
Amanda McIntosh — Click here to contact me
Auckland New Zealand
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 02:37:34 (PDT)
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Dear Amanda thank you for your explanation as to why I had never come across Quince in Africa so I did not miss anything, the twenty kgs I requested was just for me and on reflection as to my age I should have asked for 40kgs,I am sorry to hear that your dad never visited Chingola tell him he has never lived, but that little piece your mother slipped in was intriguing that he had visited,what is he trying to keep quiet? get your mam on the QT to let us know what transpired there sounds as if it could be interesting, the Mcintosh who was the the chief of police in Chingola around 64 was a real gentleman I wonder where he is now does anyone know? I will never forget his farewell to us all he finished his speech with the words Gentle men we need never have lost, very true.
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My dear Alix you suggest apples as a substitute for Quince but at my age I do not think they grow that many, Love to you both and regards to all Johnny.
Ps To my buddy Elias we are always in the wars, as our Chinsali friend would say Keep A Stiff Upper Lip, and wear a bullet proof vest at Wallesey.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 01:17:31 (PDT)
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Dear Johnny
sorry but the quinces I was talking about were from Hawkes Bay, a fruit growing area of New Zealand. They are very plentiful there and are now in season. I will investigate how to get them to Wallesy - for a price. As Alix says Do not eat them raw.
My father was not police chief in Chingola in fact he does not think he can remember visiting Chingola. Ma says he did but the least said about the vist the better. Sorry to disapoint you
amanda
Amanda McIntosh — Click here to contact me
Auckland New Zealand
Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 00:12:02 (PDT)
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Johnny
I have 1kg of the fruit in my fridge waiting to be baked, and I am afraid that I cannot share my quince with anyone, I am just lucky that I have children that do not like them..oh and by the way, quince is a large yellow fruit not unlike an apple but to eat raw they are very astringent, and are not very nice,they have a creamy flesh raw but go dark ruby colour when baked...oh and I forgot add a little lemon juice to them as well when cooking.lekker....oh and I beleive it is apples that are the fruit of love...
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 23:47:34 (PDT)
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Linda, Jill and everyone else regarding the latest virus outbreak,
This latest virus does something I haven't seen before. Not only does it send itself to all of the addresses it finds on your computer, but it also send itself from the addresses it finds on your computer. Therefore, even though the virus might appear to have come from Jill's e-mail address, it's quite possible it actually didn't originate on her computer (especially if, as she says, her anti-virus software is up-to-date), but on another computer that has Jill's e-mail address stored in its address book.
For example, my computer is not infected. However, I have even received copies of the virus apparently sent from one of my e-mail addresses. Therefore, it's quite possible somebody on this message board has received a copy of the virus which might have appeared to come from me because (believe it or not) some people out there actually have my e-mail address in their address book. A close examination of the full headers of an e-mail might help to determine from whose computer the virus was actually sent.
Elias,
Apology accepted. Thank-you for making it. I'll be expecting a round on your tab in Wallasey. :)
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 23:43:53 (PDT)
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Dear miss/mrs Mackintosh what a pity you will not be attending our bash at Wallesey you could have brought us about 20 KGs of Quince, for all I consider myself as an old Africa hand I canot ever remember quince ever mentioned in conversation anywhere and I certainly never had any to eat mores the pity if your description of its properties work.
Regards Johnny.
PS Was your father a one time Chief of police at Chingola
about 1964?
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 23:36:52 (PDT)
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Heather
Our Dutch next door neiboughs use to make something called quittenbrot which translates I think as quince bread. It was certainly stiffer than the quince paste Nanna used to give us, and could be sliced like a cake. By the way did you know that it was believed that only married couples should eat quince together as quinces were certain to spark off raging lust between men and women? Perhaps you should stick to guavas.
We used to call our grass cutter a "swisher" becuase you stood and swished it to and fro. We brought one to New Zealand and my Father was going to make his fortune selling them to Kiwi's. Unfortunately they were reluctant to give up their sheep, and swishing never caught on. Occassionaly he persuades one of the grandchildren to cut the lawn with it for him, and he stands and watches shaking his head. "I thought it was such a good idea"
Amanda
Amanda McIntosh — Click here to contact me
Auckland New Zealand
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 22:58:48 (PDT)
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Linda Hayes,
I have run through my UPDATED anti virus check now 3 times - and still no virus appears? What do I do now? Nobody else has told me I have a virus and I can't find your 'fix' for this virus that you said you put on this forum.
I apologise if I have sent a virus to anyone - but, in my defence I have an anti-virus check on all incoming emails, another anti virus check which I update every three days and that shows that I have no infections - so where have I gone wrong?
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 14:47:08 (PDT)
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MY SINCERE APOLOGIES TO ALL GNR READERS
Please accept my apologies for misleading you all about racist e-mails which were sent to me. The e-mails were genuine but had nothing to do with contributors or readers of the GNR. When I received them and many others, I thought they were quite funny and posted two of them on the board as a joke, without mentioning that they had nothing to do with the GNR. Foolishly I didnt realise how seriously GNR readers took such things and the joke backfired seriously. I am very sorry also for all the people that took the trouble to write messages of sympathy. Alix even wasted her money phoning me from Australia.
Craig, Arthur, and Heather sorry for the nuisance I caused.
Craig you were too polite to me, Arthur, my ears are still ringing from the berading you gave me. Heather, the disgusted silence is just as had.
Sorry again everbody.
elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 11:16:32 (PDT)
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It's me again. I have just received a virus from Jill Aplin, so I am sure some of you others will be in line for it. Remember, every chain email you receive only widens the list of addresses that can affect you. If you have virus software installed, please remember to update it, or it will not catch the new viruses that are circulating. My Norton Antivirus is smokin'....! Sorry to be on my soap box about this, but it really is getting out of hand this week.
May the force be with you...
Linda Dore
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 09:07:20 (PDT)
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Hi All:
I have received a number of viruses in the past few days which (hopefully) my virus protector is catching and preventing from spreading to any of you. The latest 3 are from Joy Marsh, Anne Small (a.k.a. Annie Picaninni) and Yvonne Meyer. Viruses are particularly prolific in the USA at the moment, so I would imagine they are just as bad world wide. I am sure that you all have virus protector software on your machines, but with the numbers of people who are sending chain emails to each other through being friends on this board, these viruses are eating their way through our address books. Please be aware of this.
I am also asking here that I be taken off anyone's chain list please.
Be especially aware of a virus that comes in looking like it is the latest update for Microsoft. It is extremely authentic looking, and almost fooled my hubby who keeps himself updated daily on the most current viruses. The text is over a page long and even has the Microsoft signature lines info, a website to go to for updating your version of Explorer, explanations of what parts of your Microsoft programs you are updating, etc., but it IS a virus.
Thanks!
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 06:12:29 (PDT)
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TO ALL WALLASEY REUNION ATTENDEES
Go out to your local Photographic store this weekend and purchase several films for your camera`s.
Arthur is expecting numerous photographs to publish on the Gnr.
Also those who have them , don`t forget to bring your Camcorders, as I will be putting together an edited version of the Bash.
The LION is on it`s way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 04:41:45 (PDT)
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Heather
Thanks Heather, that is kind of you,I have a major interest in any game park that is inolved with these special breeding programmes..to think how many species of animals we loose yearly....hope you get some well earned rest...
Tina,
Knew I had the wrong name , and yes they do have that particular whine to them don't they, to me it is more of a screech ....as for the Alix part in the singing...haha I will just leave that up to Alice, as for the Amarula...now what drink is that.??...must buy some again one day .....giggles
To the person who emailed Elias
I would like to say that people in glass houses should not throw stones....and I have never heard of anybody before, being accused of being racist when the subject of the tale has to do with collecting donations of toothpaste for the council,maybe some people should read postings properly before going off the deep end......oh and may I say one more thing....in the months of being a member of the board Elias has never been remotely racist, cheeky yes, but definitely not racist...Carry on in your own way Elias, the majority of us love your stories
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 02:56:02 (PDT)
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Ali
Mariachi singers. Nearest thing to Majaranis would be Maharanis (wives of Maharajahs in India). Both would be likely to have an exotic wail in their singing style. Stick with Amarula and develop your own germane exotic wail. "Alix and the Beautiful People Sing in the Key of Amarula".
Can now see those hockey stick shaped slasher/slesher chickachickas in my mind with a bit of cloth or rubber bound round the handle part. Yes, differently shaped than pangas.... Can't help with any names for them....
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 02:16:16 (PDT)
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Janet Wentworth vs. Elias
I apologise to other GNR members for what is written below............
Who is this "so called entity" being blatantly "racist" about our Elias and his origins! Obviously she is some poor, sad, under-sexed, moronic woman who has little or no life! To you Janet I would say - go get a life babe! And leave us humans with intellegence to communicate in a civilised non-racist manner with each other. When you have matured or your brain has increased it's capacity to understand the difference between right & wrong, then & only then, post some messages on the GNR that indicate a level of maturity! Other than that if you have nothing constructive to say - stay off!!!!!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 01:55:06 (PDT)
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Alix
This programme started about a year ago I think when they brought in some wild dogs. I can't remember the full information and don't have the time or energy (I have been here all night and am going home to sleep shortly) right now to find which issue of the Lowdown it was published in. If I have time later this week, I shall send it to you.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 20:17:34 (PDT)
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Northerners.....a nice story...
Heather... do you know anything about this programme??
I found this article on the wildnet.com news desk.....
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Wildlife Sanctuary Launches Cheetah Breeding Programme....
Zambia's Munda-Wanga Wildlife Sanctuary has pledged US$60 000 (R690 000) towards establishing an African wild dog and cheetah breeding programme.
Sanctuary manager Lee Stewart said the project would be the first on the continent outside South Africa, and would be designed as a tourist drawcard.
"Both cheetah and wild dog are rare outside of South Africa. We will therefore ensure that the project delivered on its conservation mandate, but also want to ensure that it is sustainable and helps subsidse othe conservation projects by boosting tourist numbers,"said Stewart
Stewart confirmed that the santuary needed an additional US$40 000 (R460 000 ) to acquire disease free breeding stock for the project.
The initiative will see Munda-Wanga establish a small research station and vetinary laboratory, as well as constructing new boma for the dog packs
Scientists and conservationists specialising in either wild dog or cheetah will be employed to manage the project
footnote....our own Perth Zoo has a wild dog breeding programme as well as a few other wild life...in its African Savannah..
a wonderful place to escape to and think you are in Africa,
with its indidgenous african plants etc.oh and of course the animals, such as Rhino, Giraffe, hyena,and the wild dogs....
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 20:03:40 (PDT)
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Heather
I know what you are talking about, I have only ever known the delicacy as "fruit leather", and yes it is very chewy , and different to the Mebos..
I bake my quinces,very slowly in the oven overnight, just adding enough water, so they dont burn, and sugar, the result is the most heavenly sweet, and eaten with sour cream ,or just plain yoghurt, just lekker...(watch the waist line though!!)
Tina
How could you mention that terrible fire water....
but yes I see what you mean...it is sort of south of the borderish..and I can imagine those singers what are they called, majaranis Sp?..... oh I better go this getting very ungermane, sorry folks
ciao
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 18:31:33 (PDT)
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Elias
We all feel the same way about anonymous posters... TRASH 'EM!
John Milton
Great to hear you had fun - Derek told me he was going... he is my brother Chris' father in law... so he sort of represented us all...
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 16:58:54 (PDT)
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Hi! Brasso,
I don`t know why Pappy not on the GNR lately,maybe too busy with grandchild.I do know he is still coming to Wallasey,He said he would be meeting me and JR at Liverpool,I think he said they get there about 12pm,don`t think he`s going to the Light house though,said he`d wait till the evening bash.
Barrie,
Yes we do live by RAF Coningsby,you would have enjoyed being here to day,there were all sorts flying today.I ate my lunch outside in the sun,watching 1 Tornado F3 interceptor, GR4 ground attack, Jaguar, Harrier,single Spitfire and a match pair spitfires,The old girl herself the Lancaster and the Deakota,they were all flying for the opproval for the official 2002 air dispalys.oh yeh there was also a little pitt special doing all his loops later in the day.
So needless to say it was quite a noisey but enjoyable day.
Lydia
lydia Beck — Click here to contact me
Coningsby Lincoln uk
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 13:33:59 (PDT)
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Bill Hunt
No, it's not mebos - mebos is softer, thicker, more moist and is also coated in sugar. It's somethng else and I've been pulling my hair out all day trying to remember. I shall check when I go home. They also make it from quinces.
I did receive your email, but have to admit that I have not yet done anything about it - have been away and busy as well. I'll get around to it soon.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:46:57 (PDT)
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Noted that Bill Hunt was giving Heather the Afrikaans name for a guava roll name. I'm sure he agrees that the Afrikaans name given to the popular Indian appetizer the "samosa" is most appropriate.
It is of course called a . . . . . .
"drie-hoekie-koelie-koekie"
GLEN DRAKE — Click here to contact me
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:38:52 (PDT)
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Heather
I believe that the Sugary Guava Roll is known as Koejawel Mebos.
Did you receive the email wrt to Mike Illion?
Regards
Bill
Bill Hunt — Click here to contact me
Widenham, Natal
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:15:13 (PDT)
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Elias
I would like to second Fiona's posting about what to do with those infantile emails. As Sammy Samaras used to tell me, "The bubbles always get to the top". (For those not used to rhyming slang, bubble & sqeak = Greek).
Re Chiquaqua. All the time I thought 'slasher' was one of those chaps who had problems with moles. I think it was Johnny who advised them to drink lots of beer and pee down the mole holes at midnight.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 10:38:50 (PDT)
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Gordon
CHIQUAQUA ... all I could think of was sitting at a Mexican bar and ordering one. "A Chiquaqua on the rocks please." That should really get Johnny's imagination going, Ali.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 10:06:55 (PDT)
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John Miltoen
Thank goodness "some" people turned up I was starting to think the worst, that no one turned up..so sorry, I Promise(all GNR's take note)I will attend the next get together..Oh and I believe Nico had a good (car) excuse...
Elias
what goes round, comes round....
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 08:38:20 (PDT)
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BRIAN,
I was a year ahead of you, that makes you a lietie, no offence, I remember you in any case.
ELIAS,
What makes you so special that you get all the interesting mail! The person concerned has a major inferiority complex. We Hewbrew/Celt/Welsh/Greeks stand as one!!
THE BRAAI,
While not well attended (ALIX! NICO! SUE! notably absent!)However, the braai was a very pleasent outing with 13 quality NR'S present, Namely Roy and Nita Killick, John and Moreen Myles, Bill Thompson, Dereck Dutton, Bernie and Denise Horton, Hilliary and Frazier Matheson, John and Agatha? (Sorry, I forgot) and meena. Good stories, about the police service, good boerewors and good company!
Cheers
Jannie Boerewors Miltoen
John Milton — Click here to contact me
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 08:21:16 (PDT)
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Thanks for the suggestions about grass cutter. A panga, a machete and a scythe will not do. I know what they are and the one I'm talking about is different. It is long and flat - sort of like a flat golf club. Johnny chiquachiqua was a good one. I was close with "chick-chick". Slasher/slesher was good. Rhodesian lawnmower was the best Liz. We used to have a dishwasher of the same make. Brother says it none of the above are the word he was thinking of. Perhaps it's a South African word. Thanks all for the suggestions.
Whoever is being so offensive to Elias, that just isn't on. Whatever he has said, and I have looked and seen nothing, could never be as rude as you have been. Elias, treat anonymous mails as the trash they are and chuck them in the bin.
Fiona Gayther — Click here to contact me
UK
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 06:34:15 (PDT)
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FORTHCOMING ATTRACTIONS.
For the first time ever..........anywhere.
The Founder and The entire Management team.
Only at Wallasey on 4th May for one night only.
Meet the voices, enjoy the beer and wors and the companionship of your fellow ex Northern Rhodesians.
Places still available.....ring me on 07762-754-071
You`ll be sorry you missed this , if you do.
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 05:35:03 (PDT)
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Fiona,
How about Rhodesian Lawnmower?
Liz Downing — Click here to contact me
Lincs, UK
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 04:59:08 (PDT)
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Have I annoyed someone?
Come on guys who is this? I have been trying to trace all the people that I have annoyed, but the list is endless. Charlie Cartmill, Gordon Garlick, Chris Tamm, Arthur, Heather, Alix, Linda, Janie.
Craig and Dave Cooper have the expertise to send these annonymous e mails but they wouldnt lower themselves.
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Dark Chocolate to elias georgopoullos.
Elias, It sounds as tho you have issues to deal with as a brown person probably of Mediterranean origin. Your inferiority complex is screaming loud and clear, maybe the true caucasians such as GErmans, Brits etc have made you feel insecure and now you are trying to inflict it on other people darker than your self.
Your posting is crass and doesnt really say much about what you choose to answer to.
Perhaps you are the Muntu that has been dipped in milk chocolate. Wake up Brownie!!!
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Elias.
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 04:39:52 (PDT)
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GORDON GARLIC.
Gordon the VFR400/NC30, is also known as the RC30s little brother. THey were in fact made only for the japanese and far eastern markets, Honda did originally import them into England but then ceased. They are now imported by others and are re-registered here, hence mine was manufactured in Japan in 1991, but imported here in 1998. They are physically small, but comfortably out perform many larger machines. In the hands of a brave young idiot like my oldest sons nothing can keep up with them on the local twisty roads.I also have several friends with VFR 800s.
I have a friend in Hagersville CANADA, he has his own engineering company. Two friends from here have sent him £1000 each, with which he has purchased them a bike each.
They are flying over to CANADA in July, when all three of them are to tour CANADA and the STATES. When they return home he is to sell the bikes and send them their money back!!. great idea eh!!
Take care,
LYDIA BECK,
Is it RAF Conningsby that you are at? If it is you are also a very lucky person, I just love aircraft of any discription
Cheers Barribee
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon tyne, England.
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 04:23:59 (PDT)
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Kevin aka scooter, Heather, June,Tina etc
would the word scythe..be of any use...hehe
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 03:32:13 (PDT)
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Des Kenny
Thanks for posting directions for us southerners on the "Great Trek" to locate Wallasey. Look forward to seeing U again mate. Ian/Lorraine Forbes U have the directions as to how to locate Banbury on M40 from London! We are still planning to leave here at approx. 05.30 am on May 4 for Wallasey. As discussed will meet U at Esso garage just as U come off M40(N) into Banbury.
Fi Fi Gayther
U be on your best behaviour until I arrive in Wallasey - then we can misbehave at Lighthouse Pub over lunch. Julie my wife has been briefed BUT she is used to me now! Hee Hee!
Elias/John Green
Looking forward to meeting U both at Wallasey and oh nearly forgot Barrie Braidford too.
Lydia Beck
Have a safe and plesant trip to Wallasey - see U there. Am looking forward to seeing you after many long years - as well as others. What has happened to your brother - Pappy? He does not appear to be posting on GNR of late! HE IS STILL ATTENDING WALLASEY?
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 02:10:53 (PDT)
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Hot Woman?
Heather Chalcraft and Linda Hayes insults are pretty tame compared to this woman. Who is she?
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Janet Wentworth to elias georgopoullos
As someone that doesnt have to prove my colour, I find your infantile posting offensive. What stupid message are you trying to get across, dont you forget it that in this century alone your ancestors had nothing but donkeys. Use this white invention (computer) to impart knowledge or have respectful discussions. I doubt that any one is interested in hearing what you have just shared with us, you ignorant Cypriot or Greek extraction. I am sure your son is in one of the inner city slum schools and you feel privileged because you are covered in Grease serving fish and chips from your little corner shop.
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Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 01:44:59 (PDT)
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Gordon Garlick
Others have talked about motorbikes on this site before. You might remember, when I first started it, and later when I posted images of links to images of my bikes. I might also have discussed the horrendous accident I had on my bike. Later I had much banter with Peter Diellison who rode bikes that I like too. My bikes included Norton 750 Commandos, Norton 850 Commandos, Yamaha SR 500's and my last my Ducati 900 Superlight.
To make the message germane I would merely add some text about Northern Rhodesia... such as a the time when Denise Crouch stole William Ballantyne's bike and rode it about Kitwe.
Along with the map of Kitwe on this site which I did with AutoCAD, I have also done a couple of CAD designs of my bikes and one of a sticky rear tyre in birds-eye view focus for the motorbike club I started at Autodesk in the 1980's.
Tot ziens
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Hunyani to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 00:58:54 (PDT)
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Charlie
In the back row of the Kingswood College photo is Ian Gosling who is from Mazabuka and is still there (or at least it looks like him).
Dawie
Guavas - delicious. But watch out - the worms love them. The South Africans also make a sweet out of them, but I can't remember the name of it right now. It is mixed into a paste and then rolled out into a very thin sheet. After that it is rolled up like a Swiss roll. It's delicious - I shall have to get my recipe out and make some again.
Tina
Yes, the library at Shiwa is full of treasures. The Harveys have very kindly given me full access to their library and to all of GB's papers, diaries etc. I shall be going up there sometime later this year for about two weeks and shall take my computer up and will be scanning everything for them (and for me too). They have already given me some negatives for scanning which I have started on, but don't want to move things away from there. I also have to admit that while I was up there this time, I spent every spare minute in the 'private room' where all the papers are, reading. I had to be dragged out of there.
Fiona
The flat piece of metal is called a slasher (or 'slesher' if you want the correct pronunciation). Pangas and machetes have much broader blades and are not slightly curved at the end. Fence droppers, sharpened on a grinder, work very well as slashers if proper ones are not available.
June Bohl
Your Chilapalapa/Fanakalo is still good. Last week when I was in Durban I went into a shop that sells old/out of print books. Of course I had to exercise a lot of self-control and managed to stop at six books. I was looking for 'The Diaries of Henry John Fynn' who was one of the earliest settlers in Natal. He was given sixteen Zulu maidens by Shaka, but being a generous fellow, gave eight to his brother and kept eight for himself. After that, he married a white women and had a son, also named Henry John Fynn, who married my great-grandmother's sister.
But I digress. While I was there, I couldn't resist bying a copy of an English/Fanakalo dictionary and have been having a good look at it. We still use Fanakalo on the farm with the older people who work for us and also their children who grew up on the farm. When I have a few minutes, I shall type up a list of some of the words.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 00:07:20 (PDT)
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Fiona
June gets the prize, its simply known as a slasher in the shops.
Elias, what have you been doing to Heather, she is busy mixing mutti to take to the bash just for you and she promises me that you will not like it or the effects.
Kevin Shone
Kevin Shone — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 23:32:21 (PDT)
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Question about this month's images
Is anybody having problems seeing the pictures that Arthur is posting this month? I have had one report that one person has not been able to see any of them, so I'd like to know if there is anybody else out there having a problem.
I will tell you that the images for this month and subsequent months will be on a server different to the main site. The secondary server is not quite as fast or as reliable as the main server, but it has lots of available disk space and most people won't notice any difference most of the time.
If you know my e-mail address, you can write to me directly. Otherwise you can send me a short message through this link.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 22:47:34 (PDT)
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Johnny Green
Thanks for your great explanation,
however, I think Tina should be included in the conversation too....
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 22:41:23 (PDT)
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Lets have it right the implement was called a Chiquaqua as Gordon rightly said, The order would be then Bamba lo Chiquaqua an Juba lo Grass, Simbi is the term for steel covering every thing from steel girders to the butchers steel, Alix if you were to attempt to juba lo grass with a panga or machete you would have to lay face down on your stomach to achieve any success in the operation not really a bad position for a lovely girl like you, and if you had lived in close proximity to me in the old country I would never have missed one of your grass cutting sessions.
Regards to all Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 22:16:45 (PDT)
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Fiona
I have heard both the names, Panga or Matchete
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 20:19:13 (PDT)
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Fiona Gayther..
The grass slasher is a Simbi...
"Bamba lo Simbi Na Juba lo grass"..commonly used, otherwise a Panga....
June Bohl — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, USA
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 18:42:53 (PDT)
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Tina
try CHIQUAQUA
regards Gordon
Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey. The United States of America
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 17:31:43 (PDT)
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Barrie Braidford,
You have me wondering what the hell a VFR400/NC30 is? It must be for the Euro market only. I am the proud owner of a VFR 800 Interceptor FI 1999 model on which I have put on 14000 miles. State side we call them crotch rockets. Just yesterday I pulled a buck thirty on I78 going to the IRL race in Nazareth Pennsylvania. My buddy on his Suzuki 750 Katana was scratching to keep up. I will have to go up state soon and take Marion from Chisamba for a ride?
I had better get before the germaine police or speeding police get me.
regards Gordon
Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey. The United States of America
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 17:23:29 (PDT)
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Barrie
It's going to be great to meet you and your wife and yes you are right to want to leave early, you silly old sod. I hope you will join us in the Lighthouse Pub at lunchtime on Saturday. Someone will know where it is, but if not, ask Des before yougo. Should make the bash start with a bang (or a snore)!
Anyone
Can any one remember the name for the piece of flat steel with a curve at the end that the gardeners in Zambia (and maybe elsewhere) used to cut the grass by swinging it from side to side? I remember they used to make a "chick chick" sound. My brother John says it has a name but he can't remember what it is.
Fiona Gayther — Click here to contact me
UK
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 14:22:21 (PDT)
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Hello to you all again, I read this board avidly every day and some nights. I feel that I am getting to know you a litle better each day, and I really am looking forward to Wallasey and meeting some of you personally. it is quite a long drive for me on the Saturday morning and I am trying to persuade my wife to leave here at about 05-00hrs. She is not terribly keen on this idea " as it doesnt bloody start until 19-30hrs" "You silly old sod". or words to that effect.We are foster parents and have three boys fostered with us at the moment, 9years, 4 years, and 2 years all brothers and it does take a bit of sorting out before we can have a night away from home, but I am sure we will manage and will definitely be there. I know that the motor cyclists among you will know that the honda VFR400/NC30 that I recently aquired, is also known as the Pocket Rocket,
I ve really enjoyed it today, launching myself from the front row at the traffic lights on the way to and from hospital where Ive been for one of my regular checkups, it is very quick. My oldest son had one ride on it last week and went out and bought one for himself, so we now have two!
cheers for now. Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon tyne, England.
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 12:18:07 (PDT)
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I was going to attend the Mufulira reunion in Joburg on April 27th but I have been invited to a family wedding in Vryheid on the same date. Maybe next year! Ray Wroe and Norma who will be attending have promised to sink a chibuli for me.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 10:57:20 (PDT)
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Des I will have to travel on the Thurs the 2nd arrive around lunch time have booked in for the 3 days at the Wellington House Hotel in New Brighton £25 per day en suite rooms, any one else interested the phone number is 0516396594.
I have sounded out Elias where he is going to stay but up to present no reply, the landlord assures me it is only a couple of pound taxi ride to the rugby club will give you a ring on your mobile when I have checked in and then you can show me the light house Pub where it all happens, any one wishing to give me a ring on arrival my mobile number is
07748488027 regards to all Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 08:02:17 (PDT)
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Dawie
Just remembered - the name for the aardvark, in one of our Zambian languages (I don't remember which), is the 'ngwee'. But because of the devaluation of our currency, ngwee's are no longer in use.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 07:59:02 (PDT)
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For Charles Cartmill and his Broken Hill/Kabwe gang
This was headlines in todays Zambia Post.
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Shoprite detains mayor for shoplifting
KABWE mayor Brian Kapufi was yesterday briefly detained by Shoprite guards in Kabwe after being found with a tube of toothpaste which they alleged he had not paid for.
Kapufi, who was elected mayor on the Heritage Party ticket, was briefly detained as curious shoppers looked on. Commenting on the development, Heritage Party spokesman Joseph Kuluneta said the law should take its course if at all Kapufi was guilty of the alleged shoplifting charge.
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What about you guys arranging a charity collection of toothpaste tubes to donate to the Kabwe Council?
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 07:33:56 (PDT)
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Brian Mulenga - So adjust your head bandage, stop woefully counting your next alimony payment, (it doesn't help) ease your new wife off your lap, pry your eyes open with matchsticks from walking the floor at night with your new daughter, take your writing arm out of its sling and catch us up on your stories.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 06:38:19 (PDT)
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Heather -
As always, thank you for the splendid photographs - I get so homesick when I see them!
It's a mammoth job you undertake to satisfy us and I personally appreciate very much the time and effort, the skill and dedication, with which you do so.
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie — Click here to contact me
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 06:07:18 (PDT)
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JOHN MILTON
Hi there. I am sorry but I do not remember you. In 1962 I was in form 3A at the Rennie with Phil Edwards, Geoff Cochrane, Trevor Lake, Mick Carle, Dennis Brown etc.
I did my form 4 and O levels at Llewllyn High in Ndola in 1963 and then went back to the Rennie to do M level in 1964.
Worked at Deloittes for 1965 before leaving Zambia for Cape Town. Then spent 1967 to 1981 in Bulawayo where I met Des Wright.
Can you connect any of the dots?
Hope your beach braai went off ok.
Brian Townsend — Click here to contact me
Fourways, Sandton, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 04:13:53 (PDT)
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Just been looking to the pics that had been sent in,was nice to see acouple of chilli ones,we live there for
a short while after Kitwe,it wasn`t abig place but the people were great,were members of most of the clubs,only one didn`t want to join was the theatre,not that didn`t want to ,but was main place for partner changing and that wasn`t our scene.
The only reason we left there to come to the UK,was all the shooting in the week,could hear them at night,it was between the Zambian and the Ziare boarder posts,John didn`t like to leave me at home at night,when he was at work,,I remember it was so bad one night I called him at work,he came and fetched me ,which was scary because the security guard was scared to and didn`t want to open the gates for John to come in,so he sat in the car for awhile with the shooting going on,eventually the guard opened the gates,John took me back to work with him and I slept in the back of his car,wasn`t long after that packed our bags and moved out.Miss Zambia alot,Mom and Brother still there,but this is my adopted home now and Coningsby is very friendly like home was.
Sorry if I bored you all with my tale,but the memories come back when places appear on the GNR.
Brasso
Counting down now.hope all the family are well.
Lydia
lydia Beck — Click here to contact me
Coningsby Lincoln uk
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:56:05 (PDT)
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C J
Funny that you should put that bit about crocodiles on the board. We have an Australian coach training the Mufulira swimmers and in 15 months the club has come from nowhere to be a serious contender for the best club trophy. She has repeatedly refused to discuss her teaching “methods” with me, I think that I now know why.
On a more serious note, we sent 3 swimmers to the Mozambique Gala earlier this month and one 14 year old Zambian swimmer equalled second place in the Western Australian State Championships for the 100m short course breaststroke with a time of 1:13:22. (take note, his coach is the Australian)
Kevin Shone
Kevin Shone — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:33:32 (PDT)
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Dawie....
THANKS.......
Guavas...
Today at the supermarket came across these motley looking guavas at....$6.95 a kilo...and they were motley, ...and I have a bag full of them given to me..and my friend is just giving them away.......giggles
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 03:15:45 (PDT)
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DIRECTIONS TO THE WALLASEY WING DING.
FOR THOSE DRIVING.
Find the M6 ( you can`t miss it, it`s the longest one in Britain).
Come off at Junction 20 ( keep to the left) head for Runcorn/Warrington ( this is the M56).
Straight down the M56 to junction 13 ( your heading for Ellesmere port/Birkenhead) this is the M53
It`s the turn off after the one that says Chester Walls.
Down the M53 to junction 1 ( I think it says New Brighton) Down the slip road to a roundabout, take the first exit off the roundabout. Down this road about 300/400 yards and take the first exit off. This is Leasowe Road.. Down this road about 1/2 mile and there is a large sign saying Leasowe castle on your right. You have arrived.
It appears the GNR has been very quiet lately, surely we don`t have to wait till after the Bash to start posting again.
Hell these passwords are easy, if I can do it then anyone can.
If anyone gets into difficulty with directions then ring me on my mobile 07762-754-071
If any late comers want to contact me, then there are still places available at the bash.
Johnny Green and Elias, Wher are you staying when you get here?????????????????
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Monday, April 22, 2002 at 02:59:00 (PDT)
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Northerners!
Of course it brought a lump to my throat to see Dutch and the mention of Nederlanders on the GNR message board that did not originate from me (or Wilma).
Let me share something with you all that I have discovered since coming to this wonderful, free country... I have discovered that many Dutch people holiday in Africa, much more so than the denizens of the country in which I previously resided. I know several blokes here in Amsterdam who visit The Beloved Republic many times, one has been six times in the last four years! Others I know have visited Zambia, and west African countries like The Gambia!
Once when surfing the net for some images of the Cape, I found a whole slew of excellent photos taken by non other than Dutch tourists.
I reckon Africa owes a lot to Dutch holiday makers who bring their strong Euros to Africa.
Tot ziens
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Mupfure to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 12:43:13 (PDT)
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Hi All again
In the same vein as my last message, have a look at this one:
Christer's Zambia Pics
http://www.ursa.fi/sirius/africa2001/ch/
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 08:26:33 (PDT)
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Georgopoullos
I go away for a few days and you're at it again!!! But wait - you'll be in a far worse state than Arthur's modem.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 07:06:34 (PDT)
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Hi all
Found this site which records the visit of a Dutch group to Zambia for the eclipse. Lots and lots and lots of photos, not well labelled but I think very interesting nonetheless. There is a great panorama across the Kariba Dam but be warned - it is a BIG file!
http://www.hemelwacht.net/20012106.htm
Eclips
Verblijf in Lusaka
Mana Pools
Kariba
Victoria Falls
Mensen
Dieren/Flora en Fauna
De reis
De groep
Also photos taken by individuals - click the names on the right hand side.
Op deze pagina foto impressies van de reis van 39 Nederlanders naar de eclips in Zambia, de reis werd gecombineerd met een safari trip en een bezoek aan Victoria Falls.
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I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank 'the members of the board' who all work so hard to make the GNR what it is. It is hugely appreciated.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 06:56:24 (PDT)
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Heather
This is something I wrote when I was a sixteen year old living in the most beautiful place - Zambia in 1966. It goes well with your fantastic pictures...
The African Sky
The heat of the day
the cool of the night.
The clear blue sky, such
a beautiful sight.
The trees are so green
(greener than I've seen).
The earth rich and brown
then rain pouring down
to make the hour cool.
Diving in the pool
when heat gets you down.
Then the coolness of night
with the stars shining bright.
But before they appear
Comes the scene held so dear
there's no more exquisite sight
than day changing to night
and the reds and the golds
that appear in the folds
of the African sky
when night is nigh.
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 04:26:24 (PDT)
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John Milton
Sorry I couldn't make it to the BBQ - other stuff - hope you had a good turnout even though Alix couln't make it!
Arthur
I hope you know that I (and I'm sure everyone else here) greatly appreciates all the time and effort you put into our photos... Sorry if our enthusiasm overloaded your system... I'll see what I have for you and send some soon...
Heather
Those photos were - once again - outstanding! Thanks to all the contributors...
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 04:13:51 (PDT)
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Elias - shocking but true . Arthur only has a 5.6k modem ...
Douggie Waybush — Click here to contact me
London
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 19:06:31 (PDT)
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Heather Chalcraft choked Arthur's modem?
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 14:13:56 (PDT)
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Northerners !
Photos for the GNR and the Message Board
I'm sorry to say some of you are still not paying attention to the guidelines on this site when sending photos for the GNR.
Craig recently posted a message only this month about sending large attachments by e-mail after we spent a whole day unsnarling my Outlook Express e-mail account, locked-up by a massive download of over 43 e-mails, each with a massive 20 megabyte attachment.
These unfortunatley were all lost as we had no option but to delete them off server-side. Tonight I have yet another e-mail (from another member) with a 12 megabyte attachment which I have also had to delete. All my e-mail is now checked via a web based account on the server before I download it. I can and will delete e-mail if you disregard what we asking you to do, which is a shame because we may have lost a brilliant contribution, and you the sender, will have wasted an awful amount of time and effort.
Please also put in the subject matter of your e-mail "Photos for the GNR", failure to comply will result in the message and any attachments being deleted. Today I have deleted 2 e-mails and attachments which were not identified in this way.
We do want your contributions, so please take time to read the instructions on this site on how to prepare and send your photos. If you are in any doubt please ask and I will both be happy to try and help you out.
I only have a dial-up internet connection which is slow - I am looking at broadband but it's expensive for me just to use at home.
Thanks for your consideration.
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 14:04:29 (PDT)
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Dawie
When I frist arrived here, the house we had brought had this large guava tree, ...they were the yellow (or white)I wasn't too struck on those, but the pink ones yes they are nice, I also love the little cherry guavas, they make the nicest jelly....oh and yes I must agree preserved guavas, what a taste, and the butcher I occaisionally get my Boerewors from, sometimes has the tinned variety...
Brian Mulenga
Welcome back Brian, congratulations on your marriage and your new baby, and hope things for you are more settled...
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 08:26:13 (PDT)
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I just had to post because i have been receiving intermittent emails from people asking me why i have been so quiet for the last four or five months.
Well a lot has happened to me in the last year.
I went through a lot.
I got divorced. Not pleasant at all.
I remarried. Not pleasant at all either nor a good idea according to a lot of chaps I know.
I was attacked in my home by burglars who left me with a three inch gash in the skull which took eleven stitches to close. Not pleasant at all.
My new wife gave birth to a large (4 kilos or 9 pounds) squalling baby girl. Pleasant but a bit tiring.
I had a car accident where I fell asleep at the wheel and went off the road and ploughed a good 50 meters into someones farm.
I saw another car accident and helped pull a truck driver out of an overturned truck. He survived the accident despite breaking one leg and losing two fingers.
All in all I do have a large fund of experiences to share and I will begin to post again.
As for all those people who emailed me inquiring about my health or why I was no longer on the great north road. Thanks for your concern and I am stunned that people who i have never met from places as far afield as the Uk and Australia could show such concern.
Brian Mulenga — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 06:17:05 (PDT)
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Northerners!
Pink guavas are wonderful yes, and especially the way the Boerevrouwen prepare them by bottling them. Lekker! What I really liked was having some of these bottled pink guava over ice cream! By the gods this was divine food!
The Brazilians do something superb with pink guava. They make it into a very stiff paste, stiff as emmental for example. Then they slice it and serve it was a mild white cheese similarily sliced. They call this "romeo and juliette". I used to be able to buy it this way in the latino markets in San Francisco.
We all had pink guava. But how many of us had WHITE guava? Our neighbours in Nkana, the Nieuwoudts, had a huge tree. The fruit is yellow and very round and big. But the taste is not as sweet and intense as the pink fruit. However, the other day, I bought a white guava drink from an Arabic shop, it was superb, much more highly perfumed than the pink fruit, and definitely identifiable as white guava.
Tot ziens.
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Tokwe to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 04:23:00 (PDT)
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Northerners
There was mention of Guava's a little while back,
well today I had the pleasure of helping a friend do some gardening and I smelled this incredible aroma, it was from a guava tree hanging from the tree were fruit the size of apples...my friend Shobhana said have one...wow, the taste was beautiful..nothing beats eating a huge pink guava, full of juice and flavour...and at the time I was thinking ...Africa.
Heather..
I too thought the Lizard was a beauty especially the colour, the ones here that I have seen are a black and creamy colour, and the sun sets , wow...under an African Sky.....dreaming... the water falls, the sugar bush, very pretty.... I never imagined the place to be so green ,so full of life and the bugs, and the preying mantis.. the place is prose to be written.....
oh and yes I agree with Tina the books, the fire places and just the whole look to the wonderful old buildings, just takes you to NR/Zambia.....Thanks again Heather, and of course Arthur.....Keep giving us these photos.... such a pleasure, like opening a gift every time I see the fish eagle..
John Milton
Sadly I won't be at the Braai tomorrow, I will be rehearsing a play I am in...and then doing more gardening......SO ENJOY , HAVE FUN..AND I WILL BE THERE NEXT TIME
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:34:07 (PDT)
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Dear Heather what a treat I never thought I would see so much of the the old country ever again and you have put it all back in front of our eyes in one day thanks especially for the shot of one of my old stop offs on the way to Abercorn, I happened to be there when a convoy of trucks and families arrived there after crossing the border at Tunduma they were all farmers with there wives and daughters in the exodus from the white highlands in Kenya and they certainly celebrated at the pub in the photo The Crested Crane and of course I celebrated with them I wonder if any of them read our ravings? and your shot of the lizard was superb, the biggest I have ever seen,I once wrestled one into a sack it was only half the size of that one and what a performance I would mention that I had 3 helpers wrestling with me and after our success set him free again 5 mins later, yes my girl I was the engineer in charge of the constuction and erection of all the steelwork at Kawambwa and it was quite large when it was completed but it was nice of you to show me proof that it does produce tea as I had left the country before it went into production, I would like to say HI to any of the I think were Celonese as thats the country that was famous for its tea experts, who were the brains behind the whole project we became good friends. Regards to all Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:03:41 (PDT)
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Jimmy Churchill - welcome back!!! Do you have some stories and impressions for us from your African visit???
Loved the pictures. Kept thinking of the sound of rain on corrugated iron roofs.
Heather - Amazing pictures. I kept looking at the books in the library in one of your pictures and wondering what little treasures might have been there - old guidebooks or or N.R. Cookery Books and Stories. And your monitor lizard is gorgeous.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 22:28:51 (PDT)
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Furzers....Kevin Shone
The Australian swim team are called the "Telstra Dolphins (telstra being our telecomunications giant? here)..may I suggest a name for the Zambian Swim team..."the Furzers"
there is even a "Z" in the name....giggles...
Ken Miller
Yes that is the little fish I came across , when searching for the little beasties, pretty little fellows.but still.....the clues have become some what quiet....a bit on the fishy side don't you think..???..HAVE THEY INVADED THE CANALS OF AMSTERDAM DO YOU THINK????
Heather...
Great photos again...but have you been near the Hospital yet....?????
CIAO.
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:17:56 (PDT)
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Elias - you certainly know your Zambia ! Your stories and Heathers's pictures really make this site unique . Now I lived at the Falls , and wandered between north and south dodging the baboons each day , but I did meet Austin Wienand one of the old timers .
Doug
Douggie Waybush — Click here to contact me
London
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 18:22:27 (PDT)
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C. J. Cartmill Esq.
Charles, that was an interesting photo of Kingswood College. Did you recognise Chris Wienand (back row)? A very old NR family. I believe Chris still runs a very popular campsite called Pioneers Camp on The Great East Road, Lusaka. He was an excellent rugby player and played for Lusaka Rugby Club first team for many years.
He married a very brave girl called Beva Webb, who was the only woman brave enough to come into the sauna with us men after rugby practice. It could get quite violent in there sometimes, specially when the Bolton brothers were there One of them had a habit of urinating on the hot stones which caused a terrible stench. He then would object when we tried to throw him out. Chris being as strong as an ox would just lift him up and throw him out.
Chris's parents were quite unusual. His Dad, Earnest used to farm on the Makeni Road and had a herd of prize dairy cattle. Joyce, his mum had a florist shop and grew all her own flowers on the farm.
They were a very religious couple that belonged to a Church called The Christian Scientists. I think one of their beliefs is that they do not use any medicines or doctors. Some people may scoff at this but one night Chris and I were running along a farm track and someone had strung a piece of barbed wire across. I ran straight into the wire and ripped my belly open so that some intestines were hanging out. Back at the farmhouse Joyce Wienand washed the wound with water, rubbed some green ointment around it and just bandaged it up with a plain bandage. No hospitals, stitches or anti-tetanus injections. It healed up perfectly although to this day I have two thick red scars just under my belly button running right across my body.
I dont hear much of Christian Scientists nowdays and dont even know if they still exist.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 15:53:56 (PDT)
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Northerners !
I see there are various minor bashes taking place over this weekend.
Please all take some photos and send them in, we'll then see if you can match the photos we'll be taking at the Wallasey binge.
Ha ha
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 15:21:23 (PDT)
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Kevin Shone,
I saw on TV a coach in Australia has a technique to improve a swimmer’s performance. He drops a ‘flat dog’ in the pool with the swimmer. NR/Zambia has historicaly produced fine swimmers, probably gleaned from their formative years learning how to swim in croc-infested rivers such as the Kafue, Lunsemfwa, Luangwa, Mulungushi, etc.
The other day, while discarding a whole lot of accumulated junk, I came across a whole lot of Kingswood College (Grahamstown, South Africa) school magazines. On leafing through them, I found this photograph. EP, in the caption, refers to the old South African Eastern Province, now called the Eastern Cape. More to the point is, spot the NR/Zambian guys (two with provincial colours (Martin, Lusaka, Mike, Chingola), others with school colours).
Regards
C J Cartmill
Arthur,
These were taken on my vacation in March this year, they are as small as I can get them, if they are o.k let me know as I have a few more of Chingola and Chillilabombwe. First one is Rugby club and bowling club in Chilli.
Rugby Club Bowling Club Chilli
Chingola Rugby Club
Jimmy Churchill
JAWS it ain't ........
Curiosity got the better of me and I went in search of the Northobranchius Furzeri, or more commonly known Furzer's Notho. This magnificant creature of the deep would appear to have admirers from Holland to Australia and all points inbetween.
While I was looking for jaws, I was disappointed to discover my new found pal in a can of Zimbabwean sardines being sold under the brand name of " Small Fry " at my local supermarket.
On rolling back the lid of the can, there he was, surrounded by six of his kin, gently bathed in green murkey water from the Runde River ( a.k.a. Lunde River) which meanders under the sweltering African sun into the mighty Limpopo River bordering Zimbabwe and South Africa.
It would appear that Furzer Notho and his dorsal waggling family stay pretty close to home, fearing being devoured by the ever present crocodiles. However, they do have cousins belonging to the Northobranchius family living in the pristine waters of Zambia's streams and rivers.
Ken Miller
My thanks go to all of you that contribute so much to the GNR
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 14:42:16 (PDT)
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Arthur,
You'd better get the ice out for your modem - the first of a number of e-mails with photos.
The Chipoma Falls
The remains of the Lumpa Church which was destroyed. I have a photo in one of my books of the church before it was destroyed and shall look for it tomorrow for scanning. The building at the end is the mausoleum of Alice Lenshina, which was placed where the altar was.
The church at Lubwa Mission, built 1934
The hospital at Lubwa where KK was born
The church at Ilondola Mission. Built circa 1905
Herewith a photograph of the church at Sione, scanned from the book 'A Time To Mourn' by John Hudson, who was the DC at Isoka at the time.
There is also another excellent book about the Lumpa called 'Blood On Their Hands' by Kampamba Mulenga
All of Nachikufu Caves
These are the Chusa Falls, which are on the Masha River, about nine kilometres below Kapisha Hot Springs
Antsnest - on the road in to Shiwa
Bug - this was taken a few months ago
Great North Road near Mkushi - now Arthur, I know I'm not supposed to send you sunsets, but this one was pretty spectacular (doesn't look as good in the photos though)
This is the GNR near Mpika, with Mpika in the distance
Johnny Green asked me to take a photo of the Crested Crane Hotel at Mpika. The hotel was, I believe, privatised, but the new owners have not yet done anything with it.
This is the prison at Mpika which hasn't changed much.
Monitor - on the way back, instead of spending the night in Mkushi, we decided to go to Nsobe which is about 60 kilometres in the direction of Ndola from Kapiri. On the way out on Sunday morning, we saw this monitor lizard - certainly the biggest one I have ever seen. On the way in on Saturday evening, we also saw the biggest puffadder I have ever seen - about 1.4 metres long. Unfortunately the photos didn't come out so well - it was dark and we weren't getting too close.
Shiwa and one of the sugarbush plants up there. As you will see they are quite different from the ones down in Lusaka - a plant rather than a tree
Herewith some photos of a praying mantis that I took ages ago. I haven't been able to find a green one. Don't know if these are any good.
And I promise I shall start using the 'proper' camera shortly.
Sometime ago there was discussion about Kawambwa Tea and I think it was Johnny Green who said that he had worked there. Here is a picture of a packet of our Kawambwa Gold Tea.
I think that's it.
Heather
Heather
Fantastic
Thank you
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 13:43:57 (PDT)
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BRIAN
I can remember you, but I am not sure where from! I was at Ndola primary, Falcon, one term at Lleuwellen High and Gilbert Rennie with Dave Simonds, George Allard, Phil Edwards, Kenny Hall etc.(62) Ring a bell?
Say hi to Des and Sue, they are a great couple.
Cheers
John M (the brotherhood of castle)
John Milton — Click here to contact me
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 09:01:49 (PDT)
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Charlie
Sincere apologies - of course - I meant YOU!!! Hope it was good anyway...
Arthur
Thanks for pointing that out - we ALL make mistakes... well, some of us do...
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 06:13:05 (PDT)
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GNRs,
Thanks, everyone, for the kind birthday greetings (Sarky and Heather C. - natotelya saana - from Sarky2). I'm now what's refered to as "middle-aged". Great to know that I'll leve to 104 plus!
To the BHers,
Have a great 'gathering of the clan' in Johannesburg tomorrow. Please send my regards to all.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands - Cape Town
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 04:48:18 (PDT)
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JOHN MILTON
I think you know Des Wright in Perth. He is ex Bulawayo. He and Sue had dinner at my house in Jo'Burg on Tuesday and he asked if I knew you. I said I remembered the name from somewhere. Didn't realise it was from the message board.
Cheers
Brian Townsend — Click here to contact me
Fourways, Sandton, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 03:44:44 (PDT)
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HI PERTHITES,
The braai is still ON! The weather should hold (I will bring a tarp jic)
DATE: Sunday 21 April
TIME: 12 noon to whenever
PLACE: Sandy Beach Reserve. It is at the South end of West Road, Bassendean
See you there
John M
John Milton — Click here to contact me
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 03:08:15 (PDT)
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HEY JOHNNY GREEN!!!
You devious old man. You asked me so nicely to sit at home and forward your rude jokes to all your girl friends, telling me you couldnt find the joke.
You were out drinking all the time!!!Never mind I got some nice replies from them thanking me.
I hope you are suffering today.
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 02:10:50 (PDT)
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Charlie Sorry I missed your birthday yesterday Many happy returns and hope you celebrated accordingly, I must say I thought that Heathers poem was first class and described the the place you used to live in perfectly, you will note that no one has decried the jewel of the copperbelt CHINGOLA, I could be asking for trouble with that statement, as all the budding Shelley's reach for there pens, anyway mate keep your powder dry your buddy Johnny.
PS. The reason I missed your day was because a couple from all places UMSHLOTI? arrived on my door step demanding that we go out and get plastered which I was quite happy to do.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Friday, April 19, 2002 at 01:36:42 (PDT)
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Hi Charlie:
You are already in bed, sleeping off the effects of celebrating your birthday, so a belated Happy Birthday to you. An old friend of yours, prone to wearing red, has asked me to let you know that she is saving her tutu for when the two of you can be together again. No need to respond... she already knows what you are thinking.
Tina:
That was the funniest cartoon I have seen in a long time. You have true artistic talent. Thanks for a great laugh.
Barry Hall:
Where did you get to?
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 16:25:17 (PDT)
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Charlie,
Happy Birthday!
May it be special and filled with love and happiness.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 15:14:26 (PDT)
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Ndume inandi ing'wena Charlie
52 ne myaka - naacitemwa !
Myaffuma kwi - Broken Hill?
Ciluka umusebo panoono !
Tunwe bwino
Sark
(Ndeesambilila icibemba)
Sue Forde
You told me this morning you were never blonde
Well it aint Craig's birthday today !
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 10:29:28 (PDT)
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Sue
Before I chill, can I just say you rock too.
Happy Birthday Charlie.
Does anyone know what the twemalala and the sipungu are? They are Zambian birds and I've got this half remembered childhood story where one is hiding from the other and telling it to go away.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 08:38:00 (PDT)
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Craig
I meant to say - have a FABULOUS BIRTHDAY!
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 08:13:32 (PDT)
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Johnny - Apology noted.
Elias - Each to their own.
Everyone else - CHILL!
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 08:08:17 (PDT)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHARLIE
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Wishing you a great birthday, with great memories of
dear old broken hill......
regards....
Alix and the piccanins
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 07:42:34 (PDT)
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Charlie
Happy Birthday! Hope the day is very special! Is that really you who Heather refers to???? Ha!Ha! We need some photos to prove her wrong!
Elias
I think Johnny upset Sue with the picture of the Y-shaped coffin he said reminded him of someone he used to know!
Johnny - we love you dearly - take care
Jacqui Milward — Click here to contact me
London
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 07:07:47 (PDT)
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CHARLIE CARTMILLEach morning when you awake,
Muscles, bones and body all ache.
Your teeth on the table near the bed,
Have to be popped inside your head.
Takes ages to get your feet on the floor,
Stand and shuffle to the door.
It's more and more difficult to put on your shoes
And your specs, you always lose
Your hand shakes when you try to write
Your hair is almost completely white
All this because you're long in the tooth
And also because of your misspent youth
In that little dorpie, Broken Hill
Which was really only a mine and a mill
There may have been places like Boons Bar
And perhaps once a month, a passing car
And the hotel, The Elephant's Head
Apart from that, the town was dead.
Despite all this, you're still okay
And we wish you a happy birthday
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:56:17 (PDT)
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I'm gonna come out in our Johnny's defence.
Yeah, he's sent the odd funny that's mildly intense
So we all tell him off ... and good gracious he tries
Then a weightlifting pic appears for our eyes.
He's lively and loving and always there for us
With the funnies and sunnies, and at least he don't bore us.
Just in case you think we don't, we love you Johnny Angel. Thanks for the cheerful greetings and stories and funnies. And just think, when you're in any doubt about the "spice factor" of something for your general readership you can always send it to Elias instead and know it will be thoroughly appreciated.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 01:15:11 (PDT)
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Dear Mr. Orgypuppyless:
You should be so lucky, my friend. Perhaps I should post the (steamy?) private email birthday greetings you recently sent me. Huh? It is unwise to flirt with me so wantonly like that. I shall be forced to use a replica of the famous 2X4 used by Beauteous the Departed and whack you upside the ear. Perhaps your wife would care to whack the other side. Are your ears burning right now. He! He!
PS: The private grovelling email I received does not become you, but then again, I loved it. You are still one of my favourites, so never fear, my dear.
Ladies: Elias Alert!
Dear Mr. Green:
Exercise balls of the magnitude you have recently sent to myself and other ladies should be hog tied, thrown into a gunny sack, and tossed into the Kafue River as croc bait. That's about all they are worth. That, and a blinding headache for the poor soul who has to lug them around. He! He! Behave yourself and no more, or I shall be forced to send the Ghost of Beauteous to haunt your dreams.
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 16:20:43 (PDT)
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This is for Lucille Cook (nee Ball)in Capetown, please contact Jim Cash, Canada, he has lost your address, please also contact myself.
Otto and Jill Bousema, Port Elizabeth, please contact me, you have a new e-mail no longer listed... Thanks. June.
June Bohl — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, USA
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 15:21:00 (PDT)
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Virus Alert!!
Married men, dont open any emails from Linda Hayes headed "STEAMY EMAILS" in front of your wives. It contains a virus that may cause your wife to swat your ear.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 15:16:29 (PDT)
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Hi All:
VIRUS ALERT!
If you receive an email either from me or from dfmarsh@global.bw with the subject line HOW TO ENJOY WINE, do not open it. It has the virus W32/Sircam-A (a.k.a. W32/Sircam Worm@mm) attached to it. My software has quarantined it, but it appears to have come to me through Joy Alexander's address book. Her brother is Davey Marsh.
The text is:
"Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice. See you later. Thanks."
This virus is one of the top 10 listed for March 2002. Definitely not a hoax. I can guarantee you this as my hubby is the network administrator at his work and we only give alerts for genuine viruses. Thanks.
If you ever get a virus and are not sure how to determine what virus you have, go to this website:
www.192directory.co.uk.
There is a lot of info on there and also all of the latest (real) viruses on it. It is, of course, one of many virus websites, but I am just passing this on as a courtesy.
If you are sent a message warning you about a virus and are not sure whether is is real or a hoax, this is also an excellent website to check:
www.antivirus.com/trendsetter
It will list all of the hoaxes on it.
Apologies if the virus got through me to any of you, but I don't think it did. Our virus software is pretty good.
Thanks!
Linda (Dore) Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 14:59:12 (PDT)
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Cris Quarmby has had a book published titled "Just Driving Around in the North" which is in his own words a brief account of the waterfalls and other spectacles of the Northern and Luapula Provinces of Zambia.
The book was published by Leach Printers in Louis Trichardt tel 27-15-5165221.
The book has many sketches by local artist and friend Quentin Allen with a foreword by former President Chiluba.
Places such as the Livingstone Memorial, Kasanka National Park, Luapula Bridge, Samfya, Mambilima Falls , caves near Kasama andd much more.
I will try and put those interested in touch of a copy should you want to get one.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:58:07 (PDT)
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Susan my apologies if I offended you but I would remind you that most of the stuff I post comes to me from females and having a great sense of humour I tend to think every one is the same I am sorry you took offence but I will not send anything else to you Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:49:57 (PDT)
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Sue Forde
Thats a shame blocking Johnny Green. If its the same email he sent me its fantastic. Imagine training for the Olympics like that. Jacqui Milward sent me picture similar but there were six instead of two.
Regards
elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 10:26:17 (PDT)
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The late Mike Faddy and Poaching
Lynn Szeftel sorry to hear about my old classmate Mike Faddy. One of the big catches his anti poaching group made a few years ago involved the son and cousin of a prominent Lusaka resident, who were arrested with six dead buffalos. Four more than their hunting licences allowed.
Chisanga, our regular contributor, didnt defend them, but a very clever lawyer fron the same Law Firm did and they were aquitted. The decision certainly raised some eyebrows specially Mike's. Their defense was that that they were using high powered ammunition with hard noses. So when they took a shot at one buffalo the bullet went right through it, killing it, then right through another animal killing it, then finally bouncing of a rock and killing a third. A strange coincidence, but to happen twice in a row?
They have since reformed and are now involved with game conservation and tourism and shoot more with cameras than guns.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 10:19:00 (PDT)
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Linda -
What packing? Yikes I am getting very behind here - the very worst thing is - still one more very special cat to home - so I am using this forum to ask
RARE JAPANESE BOBTAIL CAT DESPERATELY NEEDS NEW HOME
As we are moving on to a game farm we have had to find homes for our pedigreed cats. Shadofax Dimple - 18 month old male needs a home with no other cats - anyone anywhere interested - he's really cute, but prefers humans to felines.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 09:23:25 (PDT)
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Shirley,
What an absolutely beautiful poem. It made me sob. Thanks for sharing that with us, even though it was intended for just one family.
Johnny,
Looks like you are in deep kimshee, my man. Beauteous has only been gone a short while and already you are misbehaving.
Jill,
How's the packing going?
Linda Dore Hayes
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 05:59:22 (PDT)
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Johnny Green
That's it! I am very tolerant - but no more...
You are now Blocked! And you know, very well, why!
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 05:02:08 (PDT)
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Chris and Lynne Quarmby,
I know we have never met, but I would just like to say that my heart goes out to the both of you over the loss of your precious daughter Laura, words can never express your pain. I just want you to know, and I am sure there are more on the GNR, that all the parents who have lost children, are with you in spirit. I would have liked to send this to you personally, but I can't find an address for you. I was given this verse nearly 10 years ago, and at the time it made me more heartsore than I needed, but later on as I read it, it actually became a comfort to me, I hope it will be the same for you.
"I'LL LEND YOU, FOR A LITTLE TIME, A CHILD OF MINE", HE SAID
"FOR YOU TO LOVE THE WHILE SHE LIVES, AND MOURN FOR WHEN SHE'S DEAD.
IT MAY BE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, OR TWENTY-TWO OR THREE, BUT WILL YOU, TILL I CALL HER BACK, TAKE CARE OF HER FOR ME ?
SHE'LL BRING HER CHARM TO GLADDEN YOU, AND SHOULD HER STAY BE BRIEF, YOU'LL HAVE HER LOVELY MEMORIES AS SOLACE FOR YOUR GRIEF.
I CANNOT PROMISE SHE WILL STAY, SINCE ALL FROM EARTH RETURN, BUT THERE ARE LESSONS TAUGHT DOWN THERE , I WANT THIS CHILD TO LEARN.
I'VE LOOKED THE WIDE WORLD OVER IN MY SEARCH FOR TEACHERS TRUE,
AND FROM THE THRONGS THAT CROWD LIFE'S LANES, I HAVE SELECTED YOU.
NOW WILL YOU GIVE HER ALL YOUR LOVE NOR THINK THE LABOUR VAIN, NOR HATE ME WHEN I COME TO CALL HER HOME AGAIN ?"
I FANCIED THAT I HEARD THEM SAY:
"DEAR LORD, THY WILL BE DONE.
FOR ALL THE JOY THY CHILD SHALL BRING, THE RISK OF GRIEF WE'LL RUN.
WE'LL SHELTER HER WITH TENDERNESS, WE'LL LOVE HER WHILE WE MAY,
AND FOR THE HAPPINESS WE'VE KNOWN, FOREVER GRATEFUL STAY.
BUT SHOULD THE ANGELS CALL FOR HER MUCH SOONER THAN WE PLANNED, WE'LL BRAVE THE BITTER GRIEF THAT COMES AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
I hope you aren't offended by this. but I just felt the need to share it with you both. If you feel the need to contact me at any time, please don't hesitate.
Shirley
Shirley Eveleigh — Click here to contact me
Middelburg SA
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 04:23:11 (PDT)
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Northerners !
Some more photos and stories from our membership
You will notice I now have another blonde assistant
Arthur
Look, I've done the attachments first! I try to avoid these blonde (& senior) moments but every so often one slips through!
Kalulushi - The road to Kalulushi was taken towards the Nkana smelter,
the Mine hospital, sure there were lots of GNR-ers who were born there,
the Church, sorry, can't remember the name but it's on the main road before the 'town',
just before I took the picture of the main road into town.
And although I made a mental note of which hole on the golf course it was, it's gone and if I hazarded a guess (8th?) no doubt I'd be shot down in flames!
Cheers
Liz Downing
Bwana Steevens,
Village life near Namwala circa 1956
I figured some of the older folks like Johnny Green would appreciate this typical shot of village life. It was a simpler time and maybe not that bad?
Gordon Garlick
Episode 4 - Lusaka (1953/1955)
Following on from my last contribution (Episode 3 - GNR Board 2/9/01), my transfer from Ndola to Lusaka was primarily to relieve the older couple running the Singer shop of the more demanding and expanding side of the business - in particular the travelling as the area covered by the branch was from Broken Hill to Livingstone.
Initially they (Mr. & Mrs. Robinson) had arranged lodging for me with an Afrikaans family just on the outskirts of Lusaka towards Broken Hill. I cannot recall the name of the family but the wife ran the house taking in lodgers and the husband either owned or managed the brickfields not far from their property - you could hear the drum of the diesel generator at the brickfield - at times day and night. They had a grown-up daughter who lived in a bungalow in the grounds. At that time a couple with a young daughter lived in their caravan parked in the garden - also waiting for a more permanent accommodation.
Initially, without my own transport, things were rather difficult particularly on the social front. However after a few weeks I acquired a motorcycle (BSA 250) and my first port of call was the Central Sports Club and joined the Baseball and Softball section. It wasnt long before I became involved assisting with the coaching and training of the softball team - great bunch of "girls" - The Swallows.
Also, as a result of joining the club got together with five other club members (three of the baseball team) and rented a three bedroomed bungalow in the Emmasdale area. The bungalow was owned by a Mr. Ward who retained one room for himself for the very rare occasions that he was in town - he was a professional crocodile hunter. The bungalow did not have mains water or electricity - but at the bottom of the garden in a small shed there was a Petter engine with a belt which you either attached to the borehole pump (fed a supply tank on stilts) or to a small generator which supplied only enough electricity to light three rooms at a time, mind you from time to time we had to use candles or a Tilley lamp - usually when one of us had forgotten to get petrol. The hot water for bathing etc was by means of a 44gallon drum mounted on its side with woodfire under and piped straight into the bathroom - everything rather basic but seemed to serve our needs at the time. The names of some of those who shared were McNeil (Mac), Arthur ??, Neil Shaw, ?? Perkins (with his Rhodesian Ridgeback), sorry can't recall the other member.
I think it was after about a year we moved to another bungalow in Jan Nel Street -this one did have mains water and electricity.
It was during my Lusaka days that through my interest in photography (a hobby) I was offered freelance work by the local Northern News reporter - can't quite remember his name, something like Martin Farrow or Farrel.
Unfortunately the bulk of my photos/negs together with the references (who, where, what and when) were lost in transit on one of my moves, so all that I have left are the "also rans" with very little or no references - except my memory which is fading rapidly.
So what I would like to do, with the indulgence of your goodselves, is to submit some of those photos with some information (where memory allows), and hopefully will not only trigger a cell or two to shed some light on the occasions and identities of the subjects, but will also prove to be of interest to some of the many 1950's GNR's. If you believe the information is incorrect please do not hesitate to say.
It certainly would be great to hear from others who can relate to this period and shared in some of those activities. This first batch will in the main centre around teams and activities at the Central Sports Club around about 1954/55 period.
My very best wishes to past, present and future NR's and Zambians - great country, great people.
Also, a very big thank you to Craig, Arthur, Heather and Dave who with all their many hours of tremendous efforts and dedication provide this great site much appreciated.
Craig, my GNR ID, Password and explanation received, thanks. I must say that since in contact with GNR my learning curve certainly has rocketed, but the understanding and implementation process, well, that’s another matter. Still, it is good to have a challenge or two - will get there somehow !!
Our bungalow when first viewed, empty and overgrown.
Midlands Rugby Team that played a Copperbelt team circa1954/55. The only player I can identify is ‘Connie’ Conradie, front row (Kneeling), last on the right.
Copperbelt scoring against the Midlands at Lusaka circa1954/55.
The fellows giving the girls some batting practise at Lusaka Central Sports Club circa1954/55. The ‘umpire’ - ?? Scott, catcher - Connie Conradie and the Batter, Joan Lacey(nee Masters).
Kitty Conradie pitching for the Swallows in a match at Lusaka Central Sports Club circa1954/55.
Swallows Softball Team circa1954/55 (I think was taken at a Broken Hill tournament
Standing L/R: Joan Lacey(Masters), ???, Kitty Conradie, ???, ???
Kneeling L/R: Teresa Scott, Pat Bramshall, Leslie ??, Carol ??, Barbara ??
Talking Tactics at Broken Hill circa1954/55, Swallows Kitty, Pat and Teresa. Not sure about the fellows.
Baseball/Softball Tournament Dance circa1954/55, I think at Broken Hill. Lusaka Swallows and Cardinal players.
L/R - ?? Perkins, Jerry Thompson, Carol ??, ‘Mac’ McNeil, ???, ???, Pat Bramshall, Arthur ???.
??? and Dave Wirtz , a Lusaka Club supporter at the Tournament Dance.
Not sure who but at the same dance could of course be the Broken Hill Hosts ???
Presentation to ‘Connie’ Conradie, Lusaka Cardinal Baseball captain. Presumably at same Broken Hill Tournament/Dance circa1954/55.
Presentation to ????? captain of one of the other Softball Teams competing, unfortunately was not the Swallows.
Ian Gunn
Thanks go to all the contributors ! - keep it up !
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 00:20:05 (PDT)
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Hi Northerners,
Have been silent for a while as computer and me have been out of sorts recently.
I have browsed through this last month's postings and have not noticed a message regarding Mike Faddy.
Sadly he passed away in London early April on his way back to Zambia from a convention for Professional Hunters in the States. I attended his Memorial Service held at the Holy Cross Cathedral this past Saturday.From comments passed it appears he died of cerebal malaria. He was married to Dalphine (nee Duff) and two of his sons attended the service. Mike's scond marriage was to married to Barbra-Anne (nee Bradbury. Barbara was first married to Doug Mourizten who was murdered on his farm in Makeni some 25 years ago or so).Mike was instrumental in building Chinzombo Lodge in Luangwa Valley. This lodge was funded by the Save the Rhino Trust and was commissioned by Prince Philip when he arrived with the Queen to attend the Commonwealth Conference in the late 70"s. Mike was also for many years involved with the Honorary Rangers and the Anti Poaching Squad.He will be sorely missed by everyone. May his soul rest in peace.
Lynn Szeftel
Lynn Szeftel — Click here to contact me
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 13:59:20 (PDT)
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This anecdote was recently forwarded me by my brother, Chris Drake in Canada. It is particularly amusing to any previous resident of Zambia and Zimbabwe now currenty living in the US. Like all good humour, it is almost scary at how closely it parallels the truth. I believe the author was M. Robbin.
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CLASSIC VERSION
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well-fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well-fed while others are cold and starving.
CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing "It's Not Easy Being Green."
Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing "We Shall Overcome." Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake. Al Gore, reemerging from his self-imposed exile, exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."
Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.
Senator Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed, during a Senate recess, from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.
The ant loses the case.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug-related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.
GLEN DRAKE — Click here to contact me
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 11:18:57 (PDT)
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TO ALL THE WALLASEY WING DING ATTENDEES
We are having an auction of various Zambian memorabilia at the bash on the 4th May.
Some of the items available will be;
1). A crate of Lion Lager
and other less valuable items
Sooooooo bring lots of money, all money will be going to a very very good cause.
No skinflints will be allowed.
There will be numerous other items available for the tea totalers ( if there are any).
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 10:17:06 (PDT)
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Hi Northerners.
Have finally figured out the password. Damn number one was actually a lower case L!!!!!!!!
I am one of the original technophobes.
Brian Townsend — Click here to contact me
Fourways, Sandton, Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 03:43:12 (PDT)
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Dear Chris and Lynne Quarmby
Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 02:15:29 (PDT)
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From Linda to Linda
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Girl!!!!
Make sure that your privileges extend for at least a week!
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 00:14:51 (PDT)
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Chris Swart I did not know the Quarmby's personally but I am sure that all the contributors to the GNR would wish that you would convey our condolences to them, a terrible thing to happen to any family. Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Tuesday, April 16, 2002 at 00:11:36 (PDT)
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Hi All,
Sorry if I misled you re Missy Rinda's birthday - but I did say Happy Birthday for tomorrow - I wasn't sure that I'd be able to post today.
Elias,
Loved your story about the man of the cloth!
Linda,
At least you had a really loooong 'significant' birthday! He! He!
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 12:00:37 (PDT)
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Hi there
I havent got my id yet so can you post this for me Arthur.
Laura Quarmby youngest daughter of Chris and Lynne Quarmby died this morning in Johannesburg as a result of injuries sustained in a car accident on Friday night.
Chris Swart
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 10:45:07 (PDT)
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Hi All:
Thanks so much for the birthday greetings here! Nobody is late. My birthday is the 15th. It is Beauteous who was born on the 14th, and uglier than me... He! He!
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 09:37:31 (PDT)
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Heather
Thanks for offering to do copies of wrex Tarr for me,but I have had two kind offers from Niel and Margret,so I don`t
think I will need any more.I`m not sure how many records Tarr made,so I will still keep you in mind when I see the one I get.Thanks again.
Niel and Margret
A Big thanks to you Both.
Lydia
lydia Beck — Click here to contact me
Coningsby Lincoln uk
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 09:01:27 (PDT)
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Medem Leenda Dore
Belated Happy Birthday kiddo for yesterday. Sorry late - like U I was partaaying with a braai at my little brothers place celebrating my "old mans" 71st birthday & my daughters 16th (both on Sat 13th - day before yours). Hope U had a wonderful day with lotsa pressies & celebrations!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 07:19:08 (PDT)
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Heather
The link works, another good Link for me to read
thanks very much.......have a nice trip to SA
lINDA
Sorry about the early wishes, just went with the flow...so hope today the 15th is a really special day for you....
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 07:16:33 (PDT)
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Linda Dore
Happy Birthday for today. I hope it is a day filled with joy and sprinkled with love, leaving you with wonderful memories. Big hugs to Beauteous too! I bet she is pestering you daily to bring her back to life. It must be quite a struggle keeping her under wraps! Please let her know that the GNR is not the same without her colourful character.
Hugs and sloppy kisses xx
Jacqui Milward — Click here to contact me
London
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 06:48:42 (PDT)
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Northerners
I have just received an email from Brian Townsend, who can't post because he has a problem with his password. However, he has drawn my attention to an article on Zambia, which is in the printed version of the latest Africa Geographic magazine . Unfortunately, it is not in the web version www.africa-geographic.com
This is my first attempt at creating a link, so if I have made a mistake (which I am fully expecting to do), I apologise in advance and am already down on my hands and knees begging Craig to sort it out for me.
Lydia Beck
My parents have both the Chilapalapa records. I did promise to record these for Johnny Green about seven months ago, but would you believe it - have not yet reconnected my sound system after having had the house painted. I am off to South Africa on Wednesday and when I get back will be into my deadline. I shall see if I can find the time to do it before I leave for the UK - perhaps you can remind me (on email) after the 25th. If I don't have the time, I can do it when I get back, but will need plenty of nudging.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Monday, April 15, 2002 at 05:45:34 (PDT)
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Linda
Tunwe bwino !
xx
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 23:40:14 (PDT)
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Dear Linda many happy returns of the day and dont get too plastered Love Johhny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 23:03:47 (PDT)
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L ots of hugs and prezzies too
I would also wish for you
N ot a cloud to spoil the view
D ay for lovely things to do
A nother year of wonders new
I would say make Hayes while the sun shines but you probably wouldn't thank me.
Happy Birfday,
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 19:45:35 (PDT)
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Linda
Happy Birthday my dear friend, hope you have a lovely day. We're thinking of you and wishing you everything of the best.
Love Sandra, Shelley & Craig
Sandra Hooper — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 17:35:21 (PDT)
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*********LINDA*********
HAPPY BIRTHDAY , WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST......
LOTS OF LOVE FROM
ALIX,ALICE,JADE AND LEAH
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Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 16:41:33 (PDT)
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Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo
Archbishop Milingo was one of the strangest and most controversial men known to the Vatican. He used to conduct services at Roma Cathederal in Lusaka and hundreds of people used to gather ouside the church to listen to him, many of them carrying containers of water which they believed would be blessed. During his service people would have fainting fits, convulsions, visions and some would be cured of illnesses. His popularity grew at the same rate as jealousy by Zambian priests who accused him of witchcraft. The Pope demoted and he was sent into exile at the Vatican where he was strictly controlled. Eventually he was allowed to preach again but only far away from Rome. Soon the same thing happened and thousands of Italians travelled to his sermons to be cured. Special extra heavy men were employed to hold down people who became "possessed£, and up to 6 people were sometimetimes needed to hold one person still.
To further enrage the Vatican, Milingo at 81 married a Korean woman at a group wedding conducted by Reverend Sun Myung Moon. He has often accused the Catholic Church of Devil Worship in the Vatican.
Since the present Pope is on his last legs, I think it would be fantastic to have Milingo as the new pope. Imagine the bosst in popularity the Catholic Church would have.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 15:11:31 (PDT)
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Mees Leenda
Happy Birthday (thanks for the Reminder Jill!). I hope you have a lovely day filled with lots of things that make you feel all squishy inside (if you know what I mean).
Love Fiona
Fiona Gayther — Click here to contact me
UK
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 14:59:36 (PDT)
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Dear Linda Dore
I Know I am jumping on the band wagon here BUT -
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MY FRIEND FOR TOMORROW!!!
Love you lots and lots!
Jilly
X X X X X
No - I am not going to post a kiss for each year! But, lots of kisses nevertheless! He! He!
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 14:18:06 (PDT)
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A few months ago I received an email from Vince Savage, ex teacher of Bancroft Primary in th 60's. I have lost his email address and have some photos to send him. If anyone knows of his email address please advise?
Elizabeth Lawson — Click here to contact me
England
Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 04:54:43 (PDT)
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Arthur I have just got round to looking at the photo you put in for me of the two police men from Bancroft I do remember Chris Thorne but the other chap Blyth I canot place although with the state of my memory at present I probably would not recognize my self in a pic 40 years old,
thanks and I must look through a few more of my bin bags of photos and post them to you as it is nice to see someone from the past on here, Regards Johnny, see you in a couple of weeks.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 22:40:27 (PDT)
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HOODWINKED !!!
Northeners......
I still believe that Dawie has his little ("RHODESIAN") Zimbawean fish, however the map where I found the little place called Nuanetsi is clearly marked (Dawie can back me up on this..can't you Dawie ?) ZAMBIA..but folks the map is clearly a map of Zimbabwe...and thanks to Dawie for that...
I might just email to the web site and tell them of their little faux pas
still a little fish though ?????
Alix
good night I shall be back
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 10:02:53 (PDT)
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Piscatorial flavouring to the Netherlands
I believe Dawie has a little pet fish called a Nothobranchius furzeri..sadly I can't fined its comon name, probably the fish that Arthur drew on the KBHS motto ???
this fish comes from the nuanetsi river, near a little place called mbizi,in Zambia the Runde part of the clue (not too sure of), but this little river runs into the Limpopo
.......after all that am I right Dawie
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 09:21:43 (PDT)
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OK... I think I've got it...
Runde
In German, the word "Runde" means either: round or lap. However, it may also mean "party" - which is probably what Dawie means: "Bringing the PARTY to Amsterdam"!!
Am I right, Dawie?
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 08:08:47 (PDT)
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Northerners
Has anyone notice our Dear Dawie, giving sutble messages
or signs, with the ending off of his postings, most recent, bringing the Runde to Amsterdam....what is our intrepid founder doing......?????
Alix
oh and the Runde could be either the "Runde Chevrolet"
or "radio hams " ????
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 06:23:45 (PDT)
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Tina
Although I did not know you or your father, please accept my condolences. I know what the loss of a close loved-one is all about, believe you me! Although time goes on, and you must be strong, the loss is real and is with you forever.
Wishing you the best for the future, and I know that the past with your dad must be filled with fond and warm memories: hopefully many of those were under the warm and wonderful African sun!
Tot ziens.
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Runde to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 04:46:45 (PDT)
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Thank you all for your messages of condolences and support. I am thrilled you enjoyed the tribute to a long and happy life. You are a wonderful wonderful bunch of friends.
Barriebee - You've opened the door for me to share a recent HUGELY sustaining event. I had shared it on the Detour. Now I feel it should be reported here.
I solemnly commit on my absolute honor to you all to relay nothing but pure facts, reporter like, as they happened. The interpretation is up to the reader.
This was Monday night. Dad died Tuesday. To keep him knocked out so he would not be in mental or physical discomfort we were giving him sublingual morphine every hour on the hour and the sedative Lorazepam every four hours, and ateprine to dry up secretions. I was sat by the bed with Dad on his side facing towards me. The hospice nurse, an old hand, was sat the other side of the bed facing the back of Dad's head. There are no mirrors, strategically placed or otherwise. I happened to glance up at her. She was staring above my head. She said softly "Does he see the 'angel'?" (her use of words). I looked at Dad. His eyes were now open and staring exactly where she was. An expression of delighted recognition crossed his face. He tried to form words. Then HE RAISED HIS HAND AND WAVED. He ignored all questions I was trying to put to him, and shortly closed his eyes continuing to move his mouth and speak to whoever he was seeing. Shortly thereafter he was quiet again.
Naturally I was jumping up and down and laughing and crying and rejoicing.
Well, old buddies, you've helped us celebrated his passing royally. I'll catch up on all your stories and news down the road a bit.
Much love,
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Saturday, April 13, 2002 at 01:56:06 (PDT)
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Elias come on my lad let us know what the conclusion was to the housing saga,as Doug says did you burn them down? did you poison his mealy meal? is he still around today to read this? don't keep us in suspense Regards Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 22:25:48 (PDT)
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Thanks all for educating me regarding correct names of thingies. Mind you, blackjacks to me will still be the most irritating of things - the places they can get to! And fungus will either be edible stuff or decidedly dodgey-looking.
Lydia, no, our MG was still the original unadulterated model. Both of our girls learnt to drive, first on my old Toyota and when they were good enough on the MG. What a magic little car and what tremendous fun we all had driving her too!
Liz Downing — Click here to contact me
Lincs, UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 15:11:07 (PDT)
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hi, me again, Thanks to the miltons for the Birthday wishes, will send Rosemary one separately. Sue will send in a photo as soon as I can, I do not yet have a scanner but will get one soon. Elias, I do not recall a Jessica de Lange will ask one of the de Lange families if they know the name but I do not think they are related.
Lynne Hopkinson — Click here to contact me
Kaleden, B.C. Canada
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 12:18:59 (PDT)
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Tina
My thoughts are with you at this time.
Glenda Freeland — Click here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 11:58:43 (PDT)
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Elias
Don't leave us in suspense! What happened in the end with your 2 houses? Did you blow them up or burn them down? Did you go to the lands department and the justice department and give them better bribes to get the decisions reversed? I can't beleive you just walked away? We wait for the next exciting episode.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 11:29:18 (PDT)
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Tina,
Although it may be a good thing (as you said) that your dad has moved on, my sincere condolences go to you for I'm sure you're very sad to have lost him. He sounded like a hell of a guy.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 09:54:16 (PDT)
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Tina Magee, this story taken from todays Zambia Daily Mail isnt exactly appropriate at a time like this, but I am sure your Dad wouldnt mind.
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Randy MMD councillor nabbed
By CHARLES KATONGO
CHIWEMPALA police in Chingola are holding a 49-year-old MMD councillor who allegedly defiled his 15-year-old maid in his sitting room in Chikola.
Copperbelt police chief Winter Kabwiku confirmed that Felix Mumba was detained at Chiwempala police station and was to appear in court on Wednesday for defiling the maid in the sitting room while his wife was in Ndola visiting a sick relative.
The councillor was caught red-handed by his daughter who raised alarm and later the parents of the girl took the defiled maid to the police station to obtain a medical report.
She was later taken to the hospital where she was examined by a doctor and was certified defiled.
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Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 08:25:15 (PDT)
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Tina,
What a wonderful tribute to your Dad.
I shall a raise a glass to him this evening - we also lived in Kenya same time, maybe he knew my Dad?
Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 06:08:58 (PDT)
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TINA,
What can I say?,except very sorry on your recent loss, so many things to say but not enough space. At the risk of sounding very very corny, I must tell you that I am a great believer in the after life, not from a very religious point of view, but because I sincerely believe that I have been there! When I tell you that in 1981 and again in 1991 I had both my Mitral and Aortic Heart valves replaced, and then in November 1996 I received a new heart, I have lost count of the times that I have been resusitated, but suffice to say that on one occassion, in 1991 My family were actually discussing coffins etc,. But I came back again, during these times I had many wierd and wonderful experiences which part of the brain convinced me that what was happening was very real, for instance I talked with both of My parents, who were both well dead, but they were there with me in my cubicle, as large as life, I must qualify this by telling you that at the time I was on large doses of Dia-morphine, but I still believe that my parents were with me at a very difficult time. make of this what you will, but it is meant very sincerely. Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon tyne, England.
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 04:46:00 (PDT)
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linda .....
OK we will do a clean swap ..over here we have the dreaded double gee.......oh and an African import, the African Love grass ....veldt grass...once you have it , you have it always....giggles
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 04:20:47 (PDT)
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With all this mention of how so many people hate, and do not miss that wonderful weed, Blackjack, here is the plan. Please send me your postal address, and I will send you many, many Blackjack seeds to plant so that you may cultivate a little piece of Africa in your own garden! Once cultivated, you will then be able to share, in plenty, with all your neighbours, and especially any golf course that may be nearby!
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 03:56:44 (PDT)
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Liz Downing
The common name for the fungi on the tree is Bracket Fungi,and the scientific name is Basidiomycetes...
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 03:52:21 (PDT)
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Tina
May I also add my sincere condolences on the loss of your father
I happened to look at your profile in the names directory and saw the mention of the Lusaka Theatre Club. I asked my parents if they remembered you folks, yes they did. My mum said to tell you she is sorry to hear about your dad.
This brings back great memories of the times at the Theatre Club. My first memories are from about 1955’ish before the Theatre was built. At the time we were living at No1 Great East Road, first house on the left after the railway line and on the corner of the road that ran off parallel to the railway. Anyway the scenery for the play(s), I’m not sure how many, needed to be built somewhere so it was done in our back yard.
Apart from once when my dad had a walk on part, my folks were always in the background. I think official titles were Stage Manager and Wardrobe Mistress for most productions.
Once the Theatre was built I remember spending hours there helping!!!! my dad to build the scenery for any number of productions. I also remember the days spent back stage at various matinee performances.
When I was in my teens my sister did a lot of ballet, with Miss Catherine I think, anyway we always volunteered to help with the shows, after all the participants were of the fairer sex.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton — Click here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 03:13:05 (PDT)
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I found this on the news this morning. Thanks Craig for doing your bit to prevent it.
NIGERIAN LETTER FRAUD FINDS NEW VICTIMS ONLINE
Friday 12 April 2002 10:22am
Americans lost £240,000 to the email version of Nigerian letter fraud last year.
Officials at the Internet Fraud Complaint Centre in Fairmont West Virginia say 16 people fell victim to the long-running scam.
Their latest report found two of those lost £54,000 and £51,000 respectively.
Nigerian letter fraud is at least 20 years old and has been given new energy by email.
In the online con, emails request the use of foreign bank account to deposit millions of dollars of untraceable government money.
The messages claims to be from dignitaries linked to the government and explains that funds have been misappropriated by officials, often as over-invoiced contracts.
They promise recipients can keep about 10% of the cash for their trouble, which includes providing bank account numbers and other personal information.
Scammers then make electronic withdrawals to clean out a victim's savings. They often also ask for upfront cash to pay for licenses, taxes, transfer fees or other nonexistent costs.
Complaint Centre spokesman John Kane said: "Unfortunately, a lot of people believe this scenario could take place because of the perceptions of the government corruption in Africa."
He added that the true number of victims is probably much higher because most would be unwilling to come forward.
Fiona Gayther — Click here to contact me
UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 03:01:52 (PDT)
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Tina - let me add our sincerest condolences to you and all family members on the sad passing away of your father. I am sure he will be dearly missed by all his family & friends, but am sure he leaves many cherished memories of a wonderful life for you all. Depest sympathies Gary (Brasso) & Family.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 02:35:15 (PDT)
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Dear Tina what lovely pics, your dad was a handsome man and your mother a beautiful girl hope they are reunited now.
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Sue I canot remember the the ones you are referring to but I am sure I would have preferred the PINK one Z ROSEA;
Love Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 00:57:13 (PDT)
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Ted, Tina and Chris Magee have to inform you of the peaceful passing of Tina's father, Rex Wallace on April 9th, 2002 at the age of 85. Don't grieve for him for a moment. Life recently became too heavy an effort for him to find it enjoyable. Rather raise a glass to a sweet and loving man; to a long life well filled with adventure and laughter, shared with a spouse he adored, and spent in helping people achieve.
A 1942 Wartime Photo for Mum.
Why he fell in love in 1939 - My Mum, Sylvia. She was as loving and adventurous as she was beautiful and during the War worked for the Free Poles in Lisbon at the end of the allied P.O.W. escape route across Spain.
With his mates in Kenya towards the end of the War. He is on the left. Dad trained King's African Rifles, was District Locust Officer and developed his love of Africa and a good, grammatical command of Swahili there.
Zambia - his photo and the introductory letter he wrote for the School of Careers brochure when he first went to The Federation in 1956. He oversaw or interacted with branches in Malawi, Ghana, Rhodesia, South Africa and Kenya.
You've seen this before, but it's a favorite from the later years. His humor and kindness shine through this photo.
He helped others to soar and he made many people laugh. Again - raise a glass to him and be happy with me that he is home free now.
Thanks,
Tina
Tina,
May I also add my own sincere condolences on the loss of your father Rex.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Friday, April 12, 2002 at 00:00:22 (PDT)
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Hi Liz,
Great and nostalgic photos. If you can find guavas here they cost a bomb. Don't know why, cause they grow perfectly well in Queensland and I have seen them here in New South Wales. Most Aussies don't even know what they are. I really should grow one in the garden - luv em.
I also have a some rain /storm lilies in the garden only because I used to love them when they flowered after the first rains in NR. Their botanical name is Zephyranthes and the pink one is Z. rosea.
Don't miss the blackjacks!!!!
Sue Moffat — Click here to contact me
Sydney Australia
Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 23:02:07 (PDT)
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A Bitter Memory
Some time ago the Kaunda regime introduced The Lands Aquisition Act. This was similar to what Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe. He claimed that too much land was held by foreigners and the government would reposses underdeveloped land, and give it to Zambians. Unfortunately the Lands Department had no way of telling an owners nationality, so everyone with a non-zambian name lost their property.
While all this palaver was going on I was busy building two houses on a plot I owned in Roma. I completed the houses and rented one to the British High Commission and one to Ronnie Goveia, of Rainbo Disco fame.
Soon my tenants came to me complaining that they were being harrassed by a person asking them to move out as he was the owner and wanted to bulldoze the houses down. Eventually I found out that this was a man from Kitwe called Albert Kalyati who owned shops called The Copper Boutique. He then sued me for tresspassing on "his" land and building illegally on his plot. When we went to court the judge looked at both sets of Title deeds one in his name and one in mine and decided that the latest set of Title Deeds in Kalyatis name were legal and I must pay him the current market value of the two houses I had built plus his legal fees.
So an easy way to make a killing was to ask a relative in the Ministry of Lands to issue you with duplicate Title Deeds then another relative in the Ministry of Justice can arrange for any court decision to go in your favour.
The same thing happened again with a politician called General Chinkuli, but I will bore you another time with that.
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 15:43:03 (PDT)
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User ID and Password Problems
I apologise to the 24 or so people who have written to me regarding passwords. I will answer your messages as soon as I can, but I'm a little over extended at the moment. Thanks for being patient.
That said, if you do already have a user ID and password, they do work. The passwords are all exactly 12 characters long, and if you copy and paste them from your e-mail programme into the boxes on the forms asking for them on the site, you will get in. Make sure you copy only the user ID or password, not any leading or trailing spaces (i.e., spaces immediately preceding or immediately following the user ID or password, whichever it is you are copying).
Please also note that the font your e-mail programme uses might make some letters look like others. For example, this message board uses Arial font, which is the default font used in Outlook Express. Can you tell the difference between a lower-case "el" (l) and an upper-case "eye" (I) in this font? I can't, so don't try and type your password if it looks like you have any of those characters in it. Copy and paste it, making sure you follow the instructions above.
If you need help copying and pasting in Windows, you can find it in the Help. Click Start then Help. In the window that opens, click the Index tab. Where it says "Type in the keyword to find" type "copying text" then double-click on the sub-title "into other documents". (That's where to find it in my version of Windows. It might not be exactly the same for you, but it should be close.)
Finally, if you don't have a user ID and password because you were not in the Names Directory on April 2nd, please bear with me and don't e-mail me asking for a user ID and password. I haven't had time to work on a better form for adding yourself to the Directory so that I can avoid problems caused by the old form. When I have the new form ready you will be able to get a user ID and password, but not before then. Sorry about that.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 14:06:17 (PDT)
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Arthur:
Many Thanks to you and Peter Hills for the photos from the Rhokana Reviews.. It was good to see old friends and relive many memories of happy days in Nkana. I look forward to more pictures.
Liz Downing: Loved your photos of the flora and fauna too.
June.
June Bohl — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, USA
Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 13:40:18 (PDT)
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Dave Cazalet
Great photo of Denny House 1958. What a blast from the past. I second your appeal for one of Williams House in the same period. I remember you fairly well and Dave Thompson and Godfrey Swan.
Alan Ross was my room mate for 2 years (60 + 61)at Gwebi Agricultural College near Salisbury, after which he returned to Choma to run his Dad's farm. He was tragically killed in a collision with a train on a level crossing in the late 60's or early 70's. I am sure you know that Moose Macallum also met with a similar fate but many years earlier in Mazabuka.
Jack Woods the teacher had to do a quick exit after being accused of molesting one of the boys.
If I am not mistaken it was Corrie Bester who took me to his Dad's farm one long weekend. They had a bull terrier there with the most horrific wounds. Corrie's Dad told me that he got these because he always attacked the baboon on the nearby Kopjie. The baboons method of attack was to sink their long canine teeth into the dog and then kick themselves away with their feet leaving a big tear wound.
Glen Drake
Nice to see you posting! Chris is a regular poster. I received a email from you many moons ago and I did reply but heard nothing further.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 11:02:09 (PDT)
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Liz
Next time you near coningsby you`ll have to send me line and we can meet at the pub for a pint.It is cold if you
stand at the end of the runways,I prefer to sit in the garden and watch,but then I`m just lazy.Where about in
Lincolnshire do you live now,New York is only tiny,but coningsby isn`t that big either,really like living here though.
My other half John says did you have a supercharger put on your MG?because he remembers helping Henri do one for someone with an MG,It could have been yours.John also had an MG,it was red then he had it sprayed
black,He tried to teach me to drive in it,but the seats where so low I couldn`t see the end of the bonnet,so he decided to teach me in his Holden instead,much better more POWER.hee!hee!
Lydia
lydia Beck — Click here to contact me
Coningsby Lincoln uk
Thursday, April 11, 2002 at 09:48:50 (PDT)
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Tina..Ted and Chris..
My heartfelt sympathy goes out to you, may your dear father be resting peacefully now.
Shalom
Alix, Alice,Jade and Leah.
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 22:51:11 (PDT)
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Dear Johnny,
I think I meant the Bassetts - but the kids weren't all that tall either, as I recall! Well, Mark Rogers is not exactly tall - I cannot tell you how Graham turned out - he was taller than me when I was 15 - which is about how long it's been since I last saw him. I was a shrimp at 15 - 115lbs and 5 foot 4. I am MUCH BIGGER now! He! He!
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 13:55:18 (PDT)
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Alix,
Godzilla (RIP) was befriended by a girl called Celeste Bradbury. He went everywhere with her and on that particular day, he was put onto a leafy branch which had been placed into a bottle (Mosi of course) and put safely onto the back of the vanette (bakkie or whatever) while we were fishing at Cedrics dam just outside of Kitwe. We all spent ages watching him catching flies - having put the rather smelly bait in the vicinity, there was no shortage of lunch for him. The incredible length and speed of his tongue kept us all entranced. Aimee was completely besotted and unlike most little girls of that age was totally unfazed having a lizard walking (very slowly) on her. His colour didn't change much though - I assume because he was only a baby.
Lydia,
We should have got together! We were on the road between Coningsby and New York, freezing, watching the planes taking off! We lived for a few months, when we first came back to UK, in New York and I kind of miss that gut-rumbling feeling you get when you live next door to an RAF airfield. By the way, could it have been your brother Henry who used to work on our old MG in Kitwe a couple of years ago?
Lizd
Liz Downing — Click here to contact me
Lincs, UK
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 13:41:15 (PDT)
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Membership of GNR allows me to renew many of my acquaintances made in the seven years I spent on the Copperbelt in Northern Rhodesia. Those years coincide with my growth from boyhood into manhood - a period which set in place many of the values I hold. In quiet moments I read the generous contributions to GNR and review the pictures - I always smile and find myself nodding in recognition of things, places and events we all had in common, from ants, to lizards to crocs in the Kafue; the Rhokana cinema; The Astra; Kitwe Boys High from 1957 to 1961; "ducktails"; Friday night socials at the Church Hall; motorbike races at Itimpi; The Little Theatre; Mindola Dam; Pirates Rugby Club; The Mine Club; vodka and Ting-a-ling and on and on and on and on . . . . . . . .
As I recently wrote to Harry Botha - a "hooker", in the old fashioned sense (being a chap I propped up in our school rugby team) that as we're getting older time appears to be passing by at an ever increasing rate while the "net" is making the world smaller. I'm hoping that that means one day we'll "virtually" all meet again in one place at the same time.
Wouldn't that be great?
But haven't we already met that way?
I think we have ''cause we're doing what GNR currently allows us to do . . . . . .
Share the treasured memories of the times spent in what was a very special place.
GLEN DRAKE — Click here to contact me
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 12:10:29 (PDT)
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Dear Jill Aplin You remark that the Rogers had Bassets and children and then you say they had 12 of the short legged little beasties was this Bassets or children? curious Johnny.
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Lyn you brought back a few memories I remember a thousand planes assembling in the last of summer light before setting off for Germany my brother in one of them never to survive, 21 years of age Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 11:34:18 (PDT)
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Chris Tamm,
I agree with you - Nuanetsi is in Zimbabwe - hot area - temperature wise and otherwise - my husband installed Agric Alert radios in there and has many fond memories of this amazing cattle ranch - definitely the best beef were bred there - and wildlife abounded too, alas this has all changed with the take-overs - many. many head of cattle and important wildlife like sable and lichtensteins hartebeest (For eg) have been lost in the past eighteen months.
Linda Moult,
The Rogers family used to breed and show Bassett Hounds - and it was always the Bassetts first, then the business - and then the kids! They had about 12 of the short-legged beasties.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 11:12:28 (PDT)
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Arthur,
Thanks for the CD I received this afternoon. File004 - all 5 members of my family are in that photo taken in Rhodian Press. I'm the little oke with blonde hair - you can jus see my right ear.
Regards
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands - Cape Town
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 09:56:02 (PDT)
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Hi! ALL,
Just been sat in the back garden enjoying the sunshine and watching the Lancaster Bomber flying around,never
get tired of it the sound it makes goes right through you,can imagin what it must have been like in wartime when
hundreds of them used to go out together.
going to change subject now,my other half John,has asked if anyone going to the Wallasey bash has a copy of
"Chilapalapa" by Rex Tar that he could borrow to get a copy from,he`s been given a tape recording by a friend but unfortunately they only had half the record copied them self.John will not be at the Bash,but I will with an escort,hee!hee!,so If anyone can help would be much obliged.
Brasso
Three Weeks and counting.........
Going out to do some training on the drinking side tonight,have to excercise ones arm to make sure can keep up
with the rest,mindyou will have to do some catching up I think,seeing you lot are starting in the morning.
See you all then,
Cheers for now,
Lydia
lydia Beck — Click here to contact me
Coningsby Lincoln uk
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 06:56:10 (PDT)
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PETER HILLS,
a huge thank you for keeping all the Rhokana Reviews and for lending them to Arthur. I know that for everyone they have brought back a lot of wonderful memories and mainly for me as i have now seen photo`s of my Dad that I have never seen before.
Arthur,
Thanks again for all your hard work, your efforts will be rewarded. You know how much these photo`s have meant to me personally.
To Everone else on the GNR.
Go on a diet and stop any additional alcohol consumption, your going to need all your space available for the bash. Those of you not attending........big mistake, massive, huge, you will be sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy you missed it. Only just over 3 weeks to go.
Des Kenny — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England ( just outside Liverpool ).
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 06:21:13 (PDT)
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Liz Downing
Thank you for posting that endearing photo of your Grandaughter and that "departed Godzilla" such an enchanting photo, my girls just melted...
the other photos are great, now know what a black jack is and the fungi around the trees, I have the scientific name amongst my Microbiology notes, I will dig them out for you. Perthites, the rain lily ...does that remind you of the dreaded "guildford grass"?..all and all the photos were lovelly.
.....as with the rest of you thanks...just keep posting, you will always have someone interested in them.
Ciao
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 04:59:03 (PDT)
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Arthur
You've done it again - I'm all awash here! But what a lovely surprise - seeing my mom and gran and Uncle Viv was great! To say nothing of a very young younger brother and myself as a little girl. I've printed them out as my brother Gary and my mom (now nearly 80) are travelling up from East London as I type this, to spend a few days with me and I know she'll be delighted with the keepsake.
Thanks again - you really are one of my 'best boys'!
Lynthia Nadauld — Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 04:53:33 (PDT)
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Arthur an all
Thanks for superb pics! Arthur - yes I plead guilty - the little boy in the "I want to kiss the Queen Mum" article was little ole me. See even in those youthful days I had an eye for the ladies! Hee Hee.
The Nkana Mens Medley Team - both Kne Robbins & Pete Marsh worked with my dad Ron (Brasso) Brassington for years at Copperbelt Power Co. Ken lived two houses down from us and Pete & wife Denese (Den) were next door and both were great mates of the family! Where are they now?
I remember Ernie well too at the mine mess with his dog! In the picture did'nt Mrs Mac eventually move on and run the Club off licence if I recall correctly? Am sure of it!
The Sportsman's Den! Well what can I say - I ran the Ndola branch of the Sportsmans Den for about 6-8 months back in the 70's!!!! As one would expect - fishing tackle was the fastest selling product range!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 03:54:56 (PDT)
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Arthur et al
There is an image below of some "Coopers". They are not my kin. Even though there is a "Lorraine" mentioned, and I do have such a sis, the one in the image is not my sister.
You might want to amend the caption, Arthur.
Tot ziens
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Bubi to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 00:55:36 (PDT)
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Mine Mess
Great pictures Arthur. More, more! But I wonder if anyone remembers Ernie Rogers' dog? It was a Bassett, and was always with him in the kitchen at the Mess. The two of them, Ernie and his dog, looked so alike they could have passed off as twins!
Remember Ernie's booming voice when shouting out orders?
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, April 10, 2002 at 00:47:56 (PDT)
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Good Morning All:
MARK:
The school's that you mentioned are Mufulira Primary, and Mary Moffet was the other one.
I have just had some photo's from a friend of mine, Alan and I were at school together and he is up in Mufulira on a regular basis, and he very kindly sent me some photo's of the swimming pool, school and hospital. I will try and get them sent to the gnr site for you.
PS there was also a school called Ross Avenue Primary.
Love Wilma
Wilma Wall — Click here to contact me
Slangenburg 28, 7608 RR Almelo, The Netherlands
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 23:19:56 (PDT)
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Alix,
Not to jump in here, especially as I missed Cooper's reference to "The Nuanetsi".
Nuanetsi Ranching Corporation used to be the largest privately owned cattle ranch, located on the road from Ft Vic to Beit Bridge in the Rutenga area. At one time, the acreage was in excess of 1.5 million acres. Arguably, Rhodesia's finest export beef was reared in this area. Memory fades a little, but I believe there was a river by the same name - a tributary to the Lundi River. Yours truly spent some of his teenage years fishing and shooting there, and later on some of the same things but then in a uniform and rather more sophisticated weapon systems.
I do not recall any such name in Northern Rhodesia?
Chris Tamm — Click here to contact me
Hilo, Hawaii
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 20:37:33 (PDT)
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Hi All
Great to see the picture of the Mine Mess. And good to see Ernie Rogers. Funnily enough, Mark Rogers, his son, is lending us a flatbed trailer to assist with our move at the end of the month.
Tina and Linda Dore - Mark is moving to Texas this year - his wife Charlotte and son, Eric, are already there. Mark is taking some horses with him, as that is how they make their money (schooling and showing horses and ponies) - so maybe Chris would like to meet him and his family - he remembers you, Linda.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 14:59:07 (PDT)
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Can anyone assist with a mufulira question?
As a boy I remember only three schools in Muf and where they were located,although time has erased the names of the roads they lay on.
The first was Eastlea primary, the second was The Convent, and the third was Muf Mine school where my sister went, which was at the end of the road and next to the squash club.
My dad says that if you exited from the Mine hospital, turned right then next left (opposite the entrance junction to the hospital)and travelled along the road, near to the Masonic hall there was another school.
Whats its name?
I don't recall the school, as this was a part of town that I very rarely explored.
Your memories of this would be much appreciated
Mark McDonald — Click here to contact me
Eastl Lothian/Scotland
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 14:47:51 (PDT)
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Northerners !
Nkana Kitweans ! Time for a real blast from the past !
As promised here are a batch of suprises for some of our members.
All taken from the Rhokana Reviews I'm currently scanning. These are just a few, believe me there are many many more to come.
These are shrunken down for the Message Board - the actual photos are quite big in the magazines.
Teachers and Headmasters - including George Reason of Riverain fame !
For "Sassy" June Bohl
Des Kenny (Crouch)
Dawie Cooper
Steve de Lange
Gordon Garlick
Glen Drake
Left to right
Nkana men's medley relay team who finished first in the recent gala.
Standing
Roy Cloete Glen Drake
Kneeling
Ken Robbins Peter Marsh
For some of my favourite girls
Marilyn Shooter
Vivien and Heather (Eldridge)
Lynthia Nadauld (Eldridge)
Notice Marilyn also got into this shot !
Remember these people at the Mine Mess?
Another popular hangout
Johnny Green
Do you know these two from Bancroft?
Your group NRP Chingola photo was posted on the 16th June 2001 and can still be seen on the archived message board.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 14:29:54 (PDT)
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Arthur,
Lovely photos of the old gal. I watched the funeral this a.m.=sparrow fart time.
Sniff.
Doug Grewar.... my my, like you, I must brush up on history. Great facility with words. Almost as good as your ability with bees, mate.
Here in Ottawa, the history revolves around politics, so is booring to most. Not like neat battles. Mind you, the riding I tried, and failed, to represent in 2000, was once the fiefdom of Sir John A. MacDonald, the founding father of Canada. Now for the next election.
My house was built in 1925 so I cant claim he slept here - too bad. But I sleep here, so there.
Bill(William T.C.) Knott — Click here to contact me
8119 Bank Street, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K0A 2P0.
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 13:29:14 (PDT)
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Northerners !
Arthur
You may want to consider posting the attached group photo taken circa 1958 of the boarders at Denny House - Gilbert Rennie - Lusaka. Unfortunately, out of all the people in the picture, I seem to be the only one registered on your site. You will likely remember some or most of the names. It would be nice if someone had the equivalent for Williams house.
Denny Boys - circa 1958
1st Row (back ) - standing
Rudolph Swiegers, Corrie Bester, Hennie Smit, Drummond Densham, George Donaldson
2nd Row - standing
Stewart Irvine, Arthur Robinson, Alan Kinsley, Norman Price, Drury Ryan, David Cazalet, Alan Ross,
Dave Thompson, Ronnie Erasmus, Terry Ravenscroft, Luis Coetzer, Richard Matthews, Bugs van Staaden
3rd Row - standing
Charlie Slight, Carlyle Scrooby, Anthony Dowds, Michael Bienadell, Avie Fourie, Colin Carlin, Isaac James,
Duncan Annand, Lucas Erasmus, Craig Smith, Philip Twells, Anthony Bilbrough, Clarence Viljoen,
Dirk Oosthhuizen, Duncan Shroeter, Marty van Rooyen, Mike Judd, Tony van Rooyen, Ken Atkins, Anthony Densham
4th Row - kneeling
? van Aswegan, Colin Rickman, Japie Loubser
4th Row - sitting
Bazil Raath, Godfrey Swan, Jack Woods (teacher),
Mr Stephens (House master and my history teacher), Mr Meyer (teacher),
Mrs Dinnis (House mistress), Hugh Macallum, John Spengler
4th Row - kneeling
Dirk Fereirra, Michael Hey, Erik Grove
5th Row (front) - sitting
Tommy Oliver (my step brother), Oliver Price, Graham Carter, Lionel Grove, Harold Farmer, Gilbert Sheares,
Christopher Hey , Fergus Ryan, Vernon Bienadell, ? Pilsworth, Leon Steenkamp
Dave Cazalet
BR: Duncan, Pat Delaney, Bumblethorpe, Malcolm Clifford, Ed McBain, __, Bob
Coburn, Bob Blackmore.
FR: __, __, __, Vin Durnan, __
2. Pat Delaney, Bumblethorpe, Me.
In 1963 or 64 a bunch of guys decided they really missed going on the annual coach trips in UK when plants closed for the day and headed for the coast, whether it was Brighton, Blackpool or Arbroath. In printing language this was called a wayzgoose.
There being a lack of resorts around Ndola, it was decided by the committee [four Northern News types] at about 2 a.m. that the only place to go was the fleshpots of Broken Hill.
We approached RR to see if we could get a carriage attached to a freight to Br and then return the following day. A mid management guy agreed and the trip was set. I'm pretty sure head office never heard of the arrangement, but that's the way most things were accomplished back then, as most of you know.
About 20 people climbed aboard with, as we thought, plenty of supplies. We had not counted on the train staff, which it seems was twice the crew for a like trip on any other day, and the Cawsel was running low by Kapiri. The train was stopped there for a while and bodies were racing across the tracks to the local store to resupply.
On we went and along the way one intrepid traveler decided the crew on the locomotive should be thirsty by now. He filled his pockets and scrambled across I know not what to the front. There he was met by a couple of sane RR men who thanked him but declined to join the party as they were "driving".
Card games were being played to the accompaniment of a guitar and endless rugby songs by people who wouldn't know a scrum from a touchdown, and fortunes in tikkies changed hands.
On arrival at BH six of us decided to visit a local railway, Moth or BESL club. We were told we were not members and could not join the festivities. As we were leaving, Div Divers said for all to hear, "Well maybe we'll get in when the TV cameraman gets here and we can do the shoot then." Talk about an "open sesame," and they apologized as they didn't know we were with ZTV. We then sat around and drinks were bought for us while the dancing continued. We left and ran all the way to the station in case 'they' were on to us.
We were hooked to a north bound train and after most slept all night, we arrived in Ndola just in time to clean up and head to work.
This was our one and only trip as the next year we were turned down when we wanted to take a ride to Chingola. The railway heads must have got wind of the "chara" trip as they wouldn't even talk to us.
Thanks, Bob Summers.
Arthur,
Took them yesterday when I went down to the Lower Zambezi.
Heather
PS - I have the 'bottle' that you want, all ready to be packed.
Hi there Arthur
As you can see, I finally managed to get the camera working on my computer - no thanks to Kodak or Microsoft but thanks to you and a few other GNR-ers (and trying a bit of this that and a fair amount of the other), it works!
As well as the usual scenic shots around Kitwe, Luanshya and a few of Muf & Kalulushi, I decided to take a few nostalgic ones of the flora and fauna. Mind you, I'd forgotten just how annoying blackjacks are, don't know what a rainlily is really called, the fungus was growing on a dead tree trunk but what the heck it is, I haven't the faintest, the ant was pulling the usual stunt of trying to carry something twice his size and the chongololo is just a chongololo. Aimee is my granddaughter and Godzilla is a now deceased chameleon.
If these are alright for you, I'll work on some others to send.
Cheers
Liz Downing
Bwana Steevens
Linda, alias Froggy, might remember who this is.
My brother in law about to cross the Mutinondo at the foot of the Muchinga Escarpment. The second shot shows me on a better part of the road going down the scarp into the Luangwa Valley. 1976?
IBWE MUNYAMA MISSION
Has anyone ever heard of this place? I hadn't until a religious friend of mine asked me to go camping with him. I was quite reluctant as I have become "townified" and like my comforts. Well after convincing me there were no crowds of people or missionaries waiting to convert us, we loaded up his Land Rover and my Four Wheel drive with kids, food and camping gear. I didn't realise how far it was but halfway between Kafue and Kariba you turn to the right onto a gravel road and just carry on going, the road getting narrower and rougher the further you go. After a few hours you pass the mission and take a tiny track to the left which suddenly plunges down and zig-zags down a steep valley and suddenly ends at a waterfall. The water was clear and warm flowing over smooth black rocks which you could slide down stream on.
Anyway we had a great time, but when it came time to leave, Richard couldn't get his Land Rover up the valley. I tried to tow him up with my bakkie but move the Land Rover, so everything was loaded onto my van including all the kids in the back.
The next day we came back with Cedric Verrinder who repaired the Land Rover.
In the picture which was taken in the middle of the bush, we came across these few huts. If you look closely at the hut on the right you can see a radio aerial. The owner of the hut had a radio connected to a car battery which when it went flat he tied it to the back of his bike with "Leggins" and cycled a few hours to the mission to have it recharged.
In the distance just past those mountains is Lake Kariba and a Quaker settlement. I'm not too sure but I think you could only get to the settlement by boat. If Andrew Spence is still around he could confirm that because much to his discomfort, one of his sisters ran the place.
Elias
ps: The skinny guy in the picture isn't Johnny Green.
Thanks to everyone for the photos - brilliant !
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 13:24:45 (PDT)
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Greetings Dawie, Sue, Douggie, Alix and last but definately not least Elias. Thanks for your kind words on my posting. Vryheid Hill is indeed known as the Lancaster Hill, because it was the 5th Lancaster Regiment that fought there. Vryheid was originally the Nuwe Republiek van die Vryheid Volke (New Republic of the Freedom People) and Lucas Meyer was its first president. I have used the modern Afrikaans spelling because the old Dutch is a bit hard for a soutpiel like me.
Vryheid is in the middle of the battlefields of the old Zulu and Boer wars. Blood River, Isandlwana, Rorkes drift, and many other famous battlefield are within an easy drive. Vryheid was given to the Boer Commandos by the Zulu King Tcethwayo (spl?), in appreciation of them helping him to fight off and defeat contenders for the throne.
I must get down to the local museum and brush up my history.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 10:58:52 (PDT)
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Elias
Thank you for putting me in such exhaulted company - but I am by NO MEANS CLEVER!
I stumble through... like 99% of the population and don't want anyone thinking otherwise.
But it was very kind...
Don
They did her proud - didn't they?
Everyone else
G'day, hope your world is filled with people you love!
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 06:45:56 (PDT)
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Dawie
Could you please tell me what the Nuanetsi is?
thank you
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 03:42:47 (PDT)
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High Tech Passwords
Clever guys like Dave Cooper, Craig, Sue Forde etc can cope with cutting and pasting and opening files and folders.
For thickos like me it was easiest to print out Craig's email, cut out the password and stick it on the front of my screen with blue-tack.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 02:48:01 (PDT)
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ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PERTH BRAAI... BBQ
I have procrastinated in setting a date for the braai as to date I have had little response. Time to be proactive!!!
DATE: Sunday 21 April
TIME: 12 noon to whenever
PLACE: Sandy Beach Reserve. It is at the South end of West Road, Bassendean
FACILITIES: Toilets, the river, electric BBQ's, grass and shade.
BRING: BYO, chairs, beer (for me), fishing gear for kids,
mozzie repellent (should'nt be needed), Tackies (for a game of rounders, Kitwe v the rest!) and Ouma! We don't mind a few Rhodies (Zimbows)
CONTACT: Me... 92572024 (if you have any suggestions, need a lift with someone etc.)
PHONE a friend!, my address book is limited.
LYNNE,
I knows you! Hi (We got your email, thanks)
Horrors, We forgot your birthday, A big hug and kisses from the Milton clan!
ELIAS,
The image of Nico on his buzzie is clear in my mind. I purchased on of those motors myself. it was a 49cc Garelli Mosquito. I used it to travel to Rennie in the mornings as well. It was with great excitement that I first installed it on my bike and took off down the road at 15 mph. A dog gave chase so I scoffed at the beast and flicked the throttle wide open expecting to take off like a rocket!
I had to peddle like mad instead..
NICO,
I am going for a ride (med to fast) with a few others to New Norcia on Friday morning. Let me know if you would like to tag along. That goes for anyone else in Perth.
Cheers
John M
John Milton — Click here to contact me
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 01:55:42 (PDT)
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Doug
Your prose, as usual, is evocative and moving. You know how I feel about my Beloved Republic, and to read your writing about such a famous and intense place brought gooseflesh to my arms and a lump in my throat.
Dankje mij vriend!
Northerners
It has come to my attention that many people do not know how to "cut and paste" from one file (such as an email) to another file (such as the message window pane of the post a message page of the GNR Message Board).
Can I urge everyone to come to grips with this very basic operation? You really need to know how to do this if you use a computer.
Thanks.
Tot ziens
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bloemstraat 51H
1016KW Amsterdam
Nederland
Bringing the Nuanetsi to Amsterdam
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 01:05:22 (PDT)
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Good Morning to All at GNR.
Firstly let me thank you all for the birhday wishes. I had a wonderful and very unexpected birthday party, We had gone to East Germany for a friends birthday on Saturday, and low and behold at 12 they celebrated my birthday. I must admit I do like the East German People. They are very nice people.
I dont know if any of the SA ex Mufulira people have not heard about the bash in Joburg. I have had the program from Nigel and guys it is going to be great, they had almost 300 last year, and are expecting even more this year. So if you have not heard about it. Go to the Events page and check it out.
Craig I hope that Sandra is feeling a bit better, you are both still in my thoughts. Also I am quite chuffed that I managed to use my password without too much trouble.
Have a nice day.
Love Wilma
Wilma Wall — Click here to contact me
Slangenburg 28, 7608 RR Almelo, The Netherlands
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 23:27:02 (PDT)
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Hi Northerners
Doug...
I agree with Sue,
Makes one think how many of those grave sites are around, in this world....the one I have particular memories of is one at an old mine site in the Goldfields...Mt Morgans...
one hot Mid-summers day I remember sitting just like you thinking, most of the graves were of young men searching for their riches, and of the old Chinese who invariably made a mark on our rich red soil for their hard work, and of the the young children who had succumbed to the harshness of pioneer life...what is more ...the land around has this overbearing harshness, the spinifex the only vegetation on the hill, standing like a palisades protecting the forgotten, the oxidised iron fencing, and yes that wind ..hot..whispering , trying to tell the secrets of the place...looking down, no there are not cars just miles upon miles of nakedness salt pans, untouched territory ,with the odd outcrop of saltbush and mallee,all hiding their own secrets, of abondoned mine shafts where may be one or two ...or even dozens of men succumed as well...which brings me to the Germane....I wonder how many forgotten places are in Zambia just like it
......thanks Doug....
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 19:15:07 (PDT)
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Doug - great post man ! . Vryheid Natal/OFS area is beautiful - and how many know of the Nieuwe Republiek and Lucas Meijer in the 1880's ?
Douggie Waybush — Click here to contact me
London
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 17:18:41 (PDT)
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Doug
Thank you for this...
'...maybe the ghosts of the fallen trying to talk to me.'
Beautifully visual... I know it was as if I was standing - feeling...
Lynne
Don't feel insignificant - you're not! Post a photo who you then, through Arthur! Often that will trigger lots of memories.
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 16:17:16 (PDT)
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Doug Grewar
Hey Doug, I thought you had given up going to church when you had left Scotland? Doug I seem to remember vaguely a bit of history from the Boer school I went to in Pietersburg. Is that hill you mentioned not what was called
"Lancaster Hill"?
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 15:25:37 (PDT)
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Lynne Hopkinson
Lynne do you have a relative here in Dundee? I am sure I have heard my mother talking about Jessica de Lange. Its a bit late or I would phone her and ask. If I remember in the morning I will ask her.
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 15:08:43 (PDT)
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Craig thanks for all your hard work, this is the first time I have tried to post a message and it is very easy and smooth. Thanks to GNR for the birthday wishes, I celebrated the whole weekend, lots of wine flowing. Still have not heard from a soul who remembers me. I lived in Chingola, Kitwe, and Ndola and was born in Luanshya in early forties, I remember a few people, married Ivor de Lange in Kitwe in 1962 and moved to Canada in 1969. Maiden name was Lynne Harris. Hope someone remembers as I feel insignificant.
Lynne Hopkinson
Lynne Hopkinson — Click here to contact me
Kaleden, B.C. Canada
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 13:28:54 (PDT)
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Winter is starting to put in an appearance at nights. Tonight we drop from 25c down to 7c. We haven't had a decent rain since Xmas and everything is getting dry and already the (grass) veld fires have started. There is quite a large kopjie known as Vryheid Hill just on the edge of town. It has been kept as a nature reserve and has many types of buck and herds of Zebra on top. There is a R5 entry fee and sometimes I take a drive up there. You can see for about 30 - 40 km in all directions and the cars look like dinky toys in toytown far below. There are graves of the Boer and British soldiers who fought there and you can still see some of the rocks piled here and there for fortification. It is my church, sitting on a rock on top of the mountain, close to the clouds, in silence except for the sound of the wind, maybe the ghosts of the fallen trying to talk to me.
Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 13:09:50 (PDT)
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Kristien,
No, that's a good question. The sad fact is that once your e-mail address makes it onto a spammer's list, it will most likely be there forever. The only way to stop receiving spam is to cancel your old e-mail address and be very careful about what you do with your new one.
The exception to just about every rule regarding spam seems to be the Nigerians. They don't seem to use the automated methods that all other spammers use, so they probably don't have a record of your e-mail address to use in the future and pass along to "friends".
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 11:09:14 (PDT)
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Northerners
My apologies for the short notice. I am leaving at four tomorrow morning (in ten hours time) for Mpika, Shiwa, Chinsali and possibly Isoka. If you have any photo requests, please email me and I shall stop in tomorrow morning before I go to check my email
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 08:58:19 (PDT)
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To those who were discussing the book by Kitwe chap Basil O'Connell-Jones, "Amazing Grace".
I did go into his website, and sent him an email requesting the book. I heard back from him via someone here in Johannesbug who has copies of his books for sale. To my absolute joy, I met with Sue, who is handling his sales, and who did she bring along with her? None other than Basil himself, as he is on vacation here in South Africa from Bulawayo for a short while!
Gee, what a nice man! It was marvellous talking with him and finding out so much more about his life and family.
Jameson
Is that any relation to Norma Jameson who used to play tennis up on the Copperbelt?
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 05:22:26 (PDT)
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Craig -
Many thanks for your hard work on the passwords - a splendid way of keeping the large amount of unsolicited mail away.
I have just returned from a wonderful 3 week holiday visiting family and friends in SA and on accessing my e-mails back at work today found one from Abijan asking for assistance - from Manuleda Ketu & mother. The e-mail address was manuledak2002@yahoo.co.uk posted 22/03/02 @ 1430.
Question: Now that access can only be gained by our new system, I presume that anyone who has written down our e-mail address will of course still be able send them (plus any of their friends etc to whom they have passed on our details) ??
If this is a silly question please forgive my lack of technology - that part of my brain has yet to be developed!!
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie — Click here to contact me
Monday, April 08, 2002 at 03:02:46 (PDT)
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Paul Lindenberg Wish the old man many happy returns from Johnny Green Chingola 58 to 76 Regards to you Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 22:45:17 (PDT)
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Jimmy Jamieson if you ask Arthur he may tell you you where in the archives there is a pic of the uniformed branch at Chingola around the time you were there if you can ID yourself on it IE 3rd from left 2nd row I may remember you I was in the CID there from 1959 to 71 as a reservist and am still in touch with quite a few ex officers and men from those days you must join the association and then you will see all the names and addresses of the men who served not only in Chingola but over the whole territory apply to
The Secretary NRP ASSOCIATION
Mr J Hawkins
Inmarsh House
Inmarsh Lane Seend
Melksham
Wilts SN12 6RX
UK.
Cost £5 Annually
Regards Johnny Green
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 22:40:12 (PDT)
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Hello GNR's,
I was my Dad's 80th Birthday on Sunday 7th. My dad was in Chingola/Nchanga from '54 to '74.
Paul Lindenberg
Paul Lindenberg — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg RSA
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 22:07:53 (PDT)
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Dear Alix when you get your sound card fitted you must play the mouse cartoon I sent you for the girls they will love it, if you have deleted it tell me I will send it again
Love Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 22:06:25 (PDT)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
To Miscellaneous - The Ministry of Agriculture Annual Report for the Year 1966, published in 1969 - 60+ pages of information about the work of the Ministry at the time and supporting statistics.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 15:02:12 (PDT)
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This is my first message on the notice board from Jimmy Jameson ex NRP Assistant Inspector from 1962 to 1964.
Would like to hear from ex colleagues who serve with me at Nchanga and Lilayi Training School (Dog Section).I now live in Northern Ireland.
irvine jameson — Click here to contact me
n.ireland
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 14:39:27 (PDT)
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Can anyone please refresh my memory? Is there a Bath GNR do (reunion) this year? I can't access the archived messages to check.
Ta muchly
Neil.
Neil Smith — Click here to contact me
Sheffield
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 13:13:59 (PDT)
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Nigerian Scammers
Here we go again. Despite the fact that these morons can only get 250 characters of their sob stories through, they are actually trying to send their scams through the system in the Names Directory. I fully expected this.
If you receive a Nigerian scam (or the beginning of one) through the GNR Names Directory, please forward it to me. Most of you should know my e-mail address -- I'm certainly not posting it here. Please include all of the headers if you know how to -- if you don't know how to, please forward the message to me anyway.
What I will be able to do is correlate the date and time of the message you receive with the IP address of the poster in the Web server's logs. Then I can prevent that IP address from accessing the Names Directory at all. Problem solved... for now.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 12:51:01 (PDT)
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Hi everyone Just as I thought we might be getting a change in weather, along comes the weatherman a dumps a few more inches of snow.
I kind oflike this new setup. But some how still getthis scam mail ???. Doug still drinkings those nice cool drinks.?
Christopher M Drake — Click here to contact me
525 Dorherty Drive Quesnel , B.C. Canada
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 10:41:51 (PDT)
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Alix Key and Nico Staples
If you are wondering what sort of condition Nicco Staples car is in, I am sure he will have used his engineering skills on it and it will be fine.
Many years ago when when us peasants sweated, pedaling to school up the hills between State House and the Golf Club, Nicco would come roaring past on his bicycle. I dont know how he did it but he had a tiny engine bolted under his pedals with a roller wheel from the engine that spun on his back tyre, propelling him at faster than pedaling speed. What annoyed us most, was that he was allowed on the main road while we had to stick to the cycle track.
Today you can buy a state of the art electric version of that motor patented by Sir Aleck Sinclair who invented the pocket calculator. London policemen who patrol Kew Gardens are now being issued with these bikes so that they can chase muggers and handbag snatchers.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 10:39:05 (PDT)
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WALLASEY WALLOW - 4 MAY 2002!
UK GNR'S - LESS THAN 4 WEEKS TO THIS SUPERB EVENT. THOSE LSAT MINUITE PONDERERS STILL THINKING OF ATTENDING - GET YOUR SKATES ON AND CONTACT DES KENNY. HIS CONTACT DETAILS ARE ON THE PREVIOUS POSTING IN MARCH!
BEER, WORS, BILTONG & BRAAI FOR £ 20.00 PER HEAD.
COMMON & JOIN THOSE OF US ALREADY ATTENDING - YOU WILL BE AMONG WELCOMING FRIENDS!!!!
VENUE: WALLASEY RUGBY CLUB - WALLASEY, MERSEYSIDE.
19.30 HRS TILL LATE!!!!!!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 03:52:57 (PDT)
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Nico
Thank you so much for your gift of a car to Alix. Your kind act is appreciated across the globe. As the saying goes, 'what goes around comes around' and I wish it comes around 10-fold for you. Bayete!
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 01:37:41 (PST)
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HEATHER CHALCRAFT
Will do.
Jacquie Ross
Jacquie Ross (Now van Belkum) — Click here to contact me
Durban, Westville, Kwazulu Natal, S.A.
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 01:02:49 (PST)
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ELIAS GEORGOPOULLOS
I have faxed Jo Campbell a printout of your message this morning (as I will only see her on Wednesday.) She has your sisters address and will make contact with you.
Jacquie Ross
Jacquie Ross (Now van Belkum) — Click here to contact me
Durban, Westville, Kwazulu Natal, S.A.
Sunday, April 07, 2002 at 01:00:40 (PST)
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Georgopoullos
If you continue like this, hot spicy enemas will only be the beginning.
Kodi mundimvetsa?
Jacquie Ross
Yes, Zambia is but a village, where we all know each other and where we have many, many good friends. Please pass my greetings on to Jo and Clive.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 23:41:32 (PST)
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oops....
please excuse my HTML blunder
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 20:57:33 (PST)
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>STRONG>Hi all.....
Sue(phew it works!)
Thanks for your posting, really appreciated it.
Still not out of the works with the computer saga, will be having an overhaul tomorrow (hopefuly)I will have a dreaded networking card, removed, with all its little bugs etc, and then a 'sound' card added, (thanks Alice, Jade, Leah, courtesy of their computer)..life will then be ssoooooo cool as the young ones say!! I will be able to listen to all my germane music....
Nico
I am still on cloud nine....thank you ever so much.
caio,
from one happy and smiling
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 20:30:00 (PST)
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Thank you Craig for setting up this protection. Just testing to see my password works. Saw sad news report yesterday regardin the closure of Boswell Wilkie Circus. Still remember elephants behind the Wanderers rugby club in Ndola attracting many sightseers. It just won't be the same without that circus.
Peter Goodhew
Margaret Goodhew — Click here to contact me
Perth WA
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 19:11:00 (PST)
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Radio in Northern Rhodesia (and [Southern] Rhodesia and South Africa)
I am posting this message on behalf of Richard Sutherland from Denver, Colorado, USA.
"I was just looking at your website. I would like to post (or have you post maybe) a request for anybody who taped any radio programs from Northern Rhodesia, Rhodesia or South Africa, to let me have them so that I can transfer them to digital audio and thus, preserve them. Obviously, I will return the original and send a copy on CD to the person who owns them. I realize (after years of looking) that the chances of finding any reel-to-reels or casettes with radio content is slim to none, but, you never know."
You can contact Richard directly at rlsuth@hotmail.com -- he gave me permission to post his e-mail address here.
Just so there's no confusion, I don't know Richard. Therefore, as I'm sure you can understand, I cannot personally vouch for him. If you have something he wants, and send him original, irreplaceable material, you do so at your own risk. A better suggestion would be to find a company local to you who might transfer taped material to a CD for Richard, and then send him the CD. Whether or not you arrange for Richard to reimburse your expenses is up to you.
All that said, if you do have any digital audio germane to the GNR, we would love to have a copy so that we can consider starting an audio section. I'm thinking of getting the section started with four and a half minutes of Green Leader. Maybe he came a little after Northern Rhodesia, but he definitely had something to do with Zambia for a brief moment. :)
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 17:43:34 (PST)
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Hi Nico! I was wondering where you got to. That was really nice of you to do that for Alix. I bet she is going to be so surprised and pleased to see your posting. You are a good man!! If I wasn't happily married, I would run off with you. Ha! Ha!
Hi Sue Forde. Are you doing okay, mate?
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 17:37:28 (PST)
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Nico
I received this from Alix... hopefully she'll be back on line soon.
Message: Sue,
thanks for showing my excitement,words have failed
me for the time being,what a gesture, wonderful kind guy, just wonderful.
I have pinched myself, I have shed the tears.
Thanks for your postings,lost my address book.hence this email.
Alix
Elias
I KNEW it couldn't have come from YOU!!!!!
Everyone
I use Yahoo to send all my emails - it filters and cleans. If I hadn't I would be in the same position as Alix because my little old computer couldn't keep up with it all!
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 17:35:31 (PST)
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URGENT REMINDER ABOUT SENDING PICTURES AND OTHER FILES TO THE GNR
We want your pictures. We really do. However, please, please, please, read the information on the Contributing to This Site page (especially the sections entitled "Scanning Pictures" and "Large Attachments and High-Speed Connections") and Arthur's notes on the Message Board Pictures page. This information is there for a reason. If you're not sure if you're about to do the right thing, please ask. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 16:54:46 (PST)
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Oh to be thin, Elias.. I would take the grumpy side effects!
You better watch what you say about Heather. I hear she packs quite a wallop to those who are cheeky.
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 16:01:50 (PST)
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Linda Hayes
I hope you arent getting like Heather Chalcraft, thin and grumpy. So.. anymore cheek and I will ask those Canadian virus senders to add you to their mailing list.
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Jacqui van Belkum
Jacqui, if you see Jo Campbell, tell her Angela sends her greetings and wants to know about her kids.
Northerners...here is a case of another three beautiful sisters. I wont say too much about them because last time I praised the Searle sisters they were very annoyed and embarrassed. But really, the three Mole sisters were lovely. Beverly, was the tall elegant and intelligent one. Linda,(without being rude) was the dopey one but full of fun. Jo was quiet and sensible with light gingery hair.
My best memories of Jo was when my wife had just given birth and wanted to breastfeed our son.
Jo came round with a strange contraption that looked like a bicycle pump with a flask and trumpet attached. Apparently you attach it to one breast and pump, then milk comes out, into the flask and you can feed the baby later.
I wasnt allowed to see this gadget in action though.
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Linda Moult
Linda, did you read Nico Stapelburgs message about his bike?
Now thats a real bike! Gordon Garlick also has a monster, but being a grandfather now, I dont know if he still rides it. Barry from Newcastle, sounds as if he has a good bike as well.
One of my most embarrassing moments was a few days after I had bought a brand new Honda 750. I was wizzing round the Woodlands roundabout in Lusaka when I saw a group of convent girls standing by the side of the road. I went round the roundabout again, then again a bit faster and a bit lower, then hit a patch of sand. The bike slid one way and I slid on my bum ripping my skin tight jeans open. The girls wre killing themselves laughing and one of them I am sure either Janie Ledeboer or Tina Magee shouted "Do it Again"
Elias.
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 14:52:08 (PST)
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But you looks so cute in the piccies, Elias... Sorry, couldn't resist.
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 13:43:48 (PST)
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PORNOGRAPHY--Its not me!
If any of our naive, innocent girls receive any e mails from me DONT open it it has a W32/MagistrB virus, and has some pornography on. Its subject is "Its not human" or it has an attachment called "iSELECT.com"
I dont know how it got past all my guards and firewalls but it did and wiped out a lot of essential files. I traced it back to prix9570@qc.aibn.com and lemeilleurprix@qc.aibn.com in Vancouver, so beware of them.
Sue Forde has admitted that it couldnt be. Moira Fenwick has accused me of definitely sending it and Alix Key has fainted with shock and deleted her whole system.
I still dont know what to say to all my business contacts.
Sorry gain.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 13:27:31 (PST)
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Oh - and by the way - before anyone gets upset...
Yes - I do know some gentle men...
Hi Paudie
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 09:34:02 (PST)
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Nico
What a nice man! I am sure, when Alix sorts out her computer problems and sees her message, she will cry with such a sweet gesture from you... Nice to know there are still gentle men in this world.
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 09:21:40 (PST)
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Lynn an ajustment to the result sorry
Bindaree 1st 20/1
Whats up boys 10/1
Blowing wind Fav 8/1
Kingsmark 20/1
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 07:11:38 (PST)
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Lynn
Here you are my dear as promised
(1) Bindaree
(2) Whats up boys
(3)Kingsmark
(4) Blowing wind
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 07:05:19 (PST)
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Lynn I will post the first 4 past the post for you they are just coming into the parade ring and they will be off in 30 mins, Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 06:18:02 (PST)
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Craig Hartnett
We all thank you for the time and effort you have devoted in perfecting the NR web site, and others who also regularly actively contribute to the site like Heather Chalcraft and Arthur Steevens.
John Milton
I will e-mail you Dan Sleigh’s number.
I must say I envy you with the new Triumph Tiger 955.
I have recently bought myself the new Honda V-Twin 1800cc cruiser (VTX1800 Cruiser) it was the biggest bike I could find, that still looked and felt like an iron machine. It is also a beautiful piece of craftsmanship.
I took it on a breakfast run last Sunday, visiting all the Dams and Lakes in the hills south east of Perth and it was really exhilarating.
Linda Dore
Don’t fret we will pacify Beauteous and really make her welcome when she arrives in Perth.
Elias Georgopoullos
Talking about the beauty queens of old, I remember the crowning of Miss Lusaka, when I was a teenager at the Gilbert Rennie and her name was Maureen Scott. She was really a beautiful lady and years later I had the privilege of seeing her at the Barclays Bank in Pretoria, still as beautiful and elegant as she had been in her younger days.
Alix Key
I see you are still hard at increasing your knowledge by studying. (Good on you)
Have you acquired yourself a set of wheels yet? if not I have small car that I will give you as a present. It is in good condition and is still licensed until June this year and also runs on the smell of an oil rag, please let me know if you want it.
Is there still going to be a NR get together or is John still deciding on a date and venue.
Lynn Szeftel
It is really good to see you on the NR web and I trust you and Leslie are keeping well there in Lusaka. I really envy you all still living in Zambia, and in spite of all the small demeanours that you encounter from time to time you still have a freedom that none of us have who live in a first world situation with all its painful rules and regulations.
Ting Ling Ginger Beer
It certainly brings back memories of the copper belt days at the Nchanga Mine Club in Chingola; it remained a favourite with the boys in the form of Vodka and Tingling and was used in an attempt to intoxicate the young ladies.
Nico Stapelberg — Click here to contact me
Perth Western Australia
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 04:43:15 (PST)
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CRAIG,HEATHER AND ARTHUR,
Many thanks for your latest update and password etc. We really appreciate everything you guys are doing, keep up the the wonderful work!
HEATHER CHALCRAFT
I was passing on the GNR details to a friend of my from our local theatre club, Jo Mole (Campbell)and Clive. She's ex Lusaka and knows you well! What a small world !! She says hello
Jacquie Ross
Jacquie Ross (Now van Belkum) — Click here to contact me
Durban, Westville, Kwazulu Natal, S.A.
Saturday, April 06, 2002 at 01:21:36 (PST)
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Johnny
Will you let us know how Alexanders Bouquet fares? Unfortunately the Grand National is not deemed important enough down here in the boondocks of Africa unless you have pay TV - I do not have pay TV.
Elias
You are being awfully quiet...
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 23:40:05 (PST)
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With all the talk on here recently about Alexander The Great
I note for all those girls that like a couple of bob each way on the Grand National that there is a horse entered called ALEXANDERS BOUQUET I am going to have a little flutter on it my self and the price should be around 10 to 14 to 1, get on early as the prices always shorten later on in the day and the best of luck but do not let me put you off your own fancies any thing can win this. Regards to all Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 23:08:29 (PST)
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Hi All
have a little problem with the email situation
has affected my files, this is a fluke how I have got here,
will be back on air tomorow night (hopefully??)
sorry Craig, Heather, Arthur, Dawie using the message board for this message.
Ciao
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 23:00:07 (PST)
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As you say Northern Rhodesia WAS paradise.
I was born in Kitwe in 1947 the youngest of four sons, my father was the Personell Manager at Nkana, then Bancroft and lastly Nchanga ubtil he received the Copper Chopper.
Edward Penstone died in August 2001 at the age of 93.
Patrick, Martin, Nick and I all went to school at Prince Charles Primary, then High School in Cape Town, except I finished off at St Francis College.
REcently I had the opportunity of a visit to Kitwe on business.Only had enough time to DRive through to Bancroft see our old house in Kirila Bomwe Drive and check that the PENSTONE POOL was still there ( Which it was) the place had not changed a bit.
We have a son living in Vancouver,he is in the process of sponsoring us to move to Canada, noting that there are many Northern Rhodesians in that area as well.Vancouver is Great.
A daughter living in Johannesburg with an intention of moving to Vancouver as well.
I hope to hear from anyone who knows us and make contact as I have lost contact with most people from that era.
Simon
Simon Penstone — Click here to contact me
SPRINGS, GAUTENG SOUTH AFRICA
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 22:04:40 (PST)
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Hello friends
What is going on? I go away for one week, and the world has all gone pass mad! Pass – words, pass – letters (upper and lower case), Queen Mum pass - ed away, Beauteous pass - ed away (now we know the real truth, it was the dear old Queen Mum all along posting in the guise of our lovely Beauteous (RIP)).
Guess the main party games at Wallasey will have to be pass the password and spin the passbottle. Should be a hoot! Can’t wait to see Elias’ new anorak.
Anyhow, just checking in to say hi to everyone and thanks to those behind the scenes for all their hard work in protecting our inboxes! Still waiting for my fortune to turn up!
Big moooo from Moi Moo
Moira Fenwick — Click here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England - since 1984
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 03:36:46 (PST)
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Re: KG VI spit braai
Hi Linda and Jill - your're in - just phone Thelma and let her know how many to expect.
Enjoy - I require a full report when I get back !!!
Beth
Elspeth Lloyd — Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie Johannesburg
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 03:35:32 (PST)
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Hello all,
it is four am here, and i have been awake since two am, unable to sleep, so though i dont really have anything to say i thought i would post a message just to test my id, and password,
hope everyone is well
Marion Murphy — Click here to contact me
USA
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 01:02:32 (PST)
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Craig
Have I got a zooty computer... or what? As I punched in my code I was atomatically promted as to whether I wanted to save the code for this particular function or not.
I have just recently upgraded to a P4 with 80 megs and zillions of other fast and large stuff; shoved in a couple of ISDN lines, and upgraded all my programmes. It has made my home pc quite a rocket!
Of course, I still have no clue as to what or where the code 'remembering' prompt came from, but even with my old P3 I had it????
Yeh, yeh... I got all the fast upgrade stuff, and I am still one of those people who do not know it all! I'm a spoilt Zambian brat!
Even more spoilt, as I also have a cute Imac with all the necessaries in my office here at home - I can flit between the two.
Nevertheless, I thank you, Craig and Arthur, Dawie and Heather for all the work you guys do.
Come on everyone... as I have mentioned before, don't you think we should send these folks a few dollars each?
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, April 05, 2002 at 00:44:52 (PST)
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Craig
Netscape is for those of us who have a well developed sense of paranoia. Microsoft is the capitalist's answer to communism - world domination. Sure it takes longer and you have to be patient and well sometimes depressed to use navigator but you know that you have not added one penny to Bill's pocket. Just as wel, l as it costs more for a Mac
Amanda-unfortunately no relation-McIntosh
Amanda McIntosh — Click here to contact me
Auckland New Zealand
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 20:14:27 (PST)
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Craig...Barrie...
Passwords
a very interesting ponder....
all I can get out of my password in
the way of chemical elements is
"nitrogen" true folks....
and lottery numbers ????
I have two that can be of use....
at least I have an essential
element for all living things ?
still I can't complain, no
more of those "emails" (touch
wood)
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 17:28:23 (PST)
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Johnny, your posting (or boasting) that you make splashes all the way to the middle of the river reminds me of the story of the two Zambians having a pee off London Bridge into the River Thames. One said,"Eeeh the water it is cold"! The other replied,"Yesi and its deep too!"
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 13:11:24 (PST)
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Barrie,
That's pretty funny. You might also want to consider using your password in the lottery somehow. If you win, I get half.
Getting Your Browser to Remember Passwords
By the way, Barry Woodrow in Iceland (brrrr!) reminded me that if you use Internet Explorer, you can get it to remember passwords. When you access the archived message boards or the old Names Directory, there is a check box in the window that pops up asking you if you want IE to remember your password. Select the check box and you won't have to enter your password again.
Similarly, IE can also remember the password for the posting page. I'm using IE 5, but I believe version 6 does this the same way. Here's what you do:- Click on Tools then Internet Options.
- Click on the Content tab.
- Click on the AutoComplete button.
- Click to put a check mark in the "User names and passwords on forms" field.
- Click OK, then click OK again.
I don't use these features myself, but I'm sure lots of people do. It probably works well and saves people lots of time. However, you should still keep a record of your passwords somewhere, as your passwords will all be lost if you have to do something like reinstall Windows.
I presume the Mac version of IE has the same feature. I can't remember if Netscape does, but it's a crappy browser anyway.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 11:17:33 (PST)
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Hello to you all, Got my new bike today!!! Honda VFR400 NC30
absolutely brilliant, shit off a stick etc,.etc,. Also all this fuss about remembering pass words?? Do like what I do and use the same password for everything you sign up to.Then you just have to remember the one word, simple.
Anyway my future son in law who is a qualified chemist, is going to try and mix the formula that Craig has awarded me as a password and see what happens. The sun has been shining for 5 days in a row, some kind of a record for this time of year in my part of the UK.
Regards barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon tyne, England.
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 10:51:43 (PST)
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Hi All...
I have just been to the therapist for my hand and arm, which I had 'surgerised' 3 weeks ago, and guess what?! My therapist, whom I met for the first time, was born in Kitwe! Her mother who helps out at the practice was also born in Kitwe, and lived most of her life there - they left around 1976. Mum went to Prince Charles school. These ex- Nr/Z'ians are everywhere. Isn't that great! We pepper the world.
So... anyone remember the surnames Burke and Fellowes?
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 07:35:51 (PST)
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Bwana Grins
Don't be coy with me. You know that you have sent me a gallery of piccies of yourself since we have been corresponding. An old friend of mine, prone to wearing red, spoke to me in a vision last night. She said she would (if she could) stake her life on that being you. He! He!
OK folks, the bet is on. Heather, what do we win if we are able to identify The Mystery Man.
Craig
Thanks for the explanation. I should be so lucky as to have someone I could send steamy emails to. Then, again...
Esther
Thanks for the info on the password program. It's funny how the older we get, we can remember our youth with clarity, but can't remember the simple things of our everyday life, like our birthdays...
Jilly
Are you making any headway with the boxes?
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 05:30:51 (PST)
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Linda Moult and Jill Aplin
You two beat me to it - I tried to get hold of Thelma yesterday, to see if she'll allow in any "outsiders" but she's in Cape Town - I'm unfortunately not going to be at the braai, so the two of you could represent the "Lloyd" family. (Watch this space)
We're going down to Ermelo (for any NR folk down in that part of the world) with the South African Welsh Male Voice choir, for the weekend of the 20th. What a jol!!!!!!
Regarding the spit braai - I haven't had one phone call yet - surely there are some King George folk who want to get together after such a long break since the last reunion? I'm going to throw some names around and please -if anyone knows where they are - give me a holler:-
Virginia and Bryan Willingale
Bruce and Moira Sydney
Sharon Eva
Frank Rickwood
Pam Case (can't remember where Wally said she was)
Puddy and Butch Durrheim - are you going?
Butch Cook - where are you?????
Charlie C - I trust you're flying up for the weekend?
If not - make sure you're at my 50th end August.
Later,
Elspeth Lloyd — Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie Johannesburg
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 03:49:24 (PST)
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Passwords have always been a NIGHTMARE. You can download a program called Password Keeper as I did from
http://www.gregorybraun.com/PassKeep.html
It stores all your passwords and the only one you have to remember is the one to get into Password Keeper. It always takes me around 4 tries before I get that one right. Oh boy!!!
Esther Pettersson — Click here to contact me
Australia
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 03:29:57 (PST)
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Alix
Sure did receive my little gift you sent. What do I think? What can I say?! The resemblance to Alexander the Great is somewhat striking, with the finishing touch of a Zambian upbringing!!
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 00:46:39 (PST)
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The mystery man
Who did our Heather go fishing
with a few weeks ago, either he
or his brother KS??
Heather am I right?
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 00:29:59 (PST)
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Dear Linda I will admit I thought the same when I saw the picture of someone contaminating the Kafue but if it is me (and I dont reconise the shorts)it was taken surreptitiously
and I have never seen it before but as some of the splashes are in the centre of the river I suppose it could be me please let us know, but how you had an idea it was me (unless you had prior prompting)I don't know as you have never seen me half naked before unless it was in Kitwe one night when I was Sozzled love you Johnny.
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Meneer Hunt thank you for sharing your treasured artifact with us I certainly remember it,that was the one attached to her left bosom and used to spin anti clock wise I wonder where she is today? as she would have been a welcome guest at the Wallasey bash which I hope you are going to, can you remember the name of the manager of the San Trops he was of Egyptian descent and became a good friend to me and my pals as we were such regular customers thanks again mate for making an old man very happy, Have you thought about getting your missus on the stage? Regards Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 00:24:53 (PST)
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Alix,
I agree with you - it is a recent picture. In the 'auld days', hats were battered and well sweated - the more crunched up the better - and normally of felt. That looks like a modern design - 'Rogue' brand?. Could it be Chris Swart?
However, I see the guy in the photo is using the old tried and tested method for baiting his hook.
Regards
CJ
PS I case you get the wrong impression - an experienced fisherman normally turns his back on an audience while baiting his hook - so that they can't see what bait he's using. Not so - young Arthur?
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands - Cape Town
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 23:54:54 (PST)
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Recent Site Updates:
April 3rd, 2002:- Password protected several members-only areas of the site (including the posting page for the message board, archived message boards, and the old Names Directory) and distributed user IDs and passwords to all current members.
- Set up a Web-based system to allow the contacting of members through their Names Directory entries without revealing their e-mail addresses to the public.
- Added an event on April 27th in South Africa for ex-Rhodesians and/or ex-Zimbabweans to the Events page.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 23:34:11 (PST)
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The who, what, where,debate...
I have an idea it is a recent photo, and the
subject is a local resident of Zambia??
Alix
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 23:21:05 (PST)
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Chris,
I know, the passwords are a bit much. I gave up trying to remember all of my passwords a long time ago, although I remember the ones I use the most. I will work on a way for the site to remember who you are for a period of 30 days or something like that, but then I also have to make it so that people can log out if they are using a friend's computer, or a computer in an Internet cafe or library. Thanks for the suggestion.
Linda,
No, that's not a stupid question, but it's a difficult question to answer briefly. First of all, if you thought that communicating through unencrypted e-mail was private, you were very wrong. I have seen it compared to writing on a post card, and expecting that nobody handling it along the way will be tempted to read what you have written on the back. The fact is that unencrypted e-mail is transferred between e-mail servers on the Internet in plain text, and anybody with the appropriate access to the servers along which your e-mail travels can read your e-mail. E-mail sent through the Names Directory is no different. However, as I mentioned in a message below, if you try and send a message to Joe Soap through his entry in the Names Directory, and Joe's e-mail address is no longer valid, the message will bounce to me, not you. Therefore, when I receive the bounce message, I can (if I am so inclined) read what you tried to send. That's not the way I intended for it to work but, for technical reasons I won't go into here, that's the way it does work. However, my goal is that all entries in the Names Directory have valid e-mail addresses, so hopefully I won't receive those bounce messages. Another however is that the message can only be 250 characters long, so the chances of me having the good fortune to intercept long, steamy love letters is nil.
The bottom line is that I suggest you use real e-mail to correspond with people you already know, not the link at the bottom of their posts on the message board.
Jill,
Hopefully I will have the edit function working soon. Since I am doing other stuff in the Names Directory right now, I think that will be one of the next couple of things I will do.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 21:42:34 (PST)
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Did anyone guess the "guess who and guess what" in the piccie of the person with their back to us? I say it is Bwana Grins, wondering why all the fish are laying on their backs after he drew his name on the surface of the water with his own "recycled Castle". Am I correct? What did I win?
Heather!!! I just saw the piccie of you. I must have missed it when I was looking at all the photos the other night. WOW!!! Congrats and I am so proud of you.
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 21:02:49 (PST)
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A Ting Ling to the person who can honestly claim they already have their password memorized! He! He!
Chris Tamm
Use Dave Cooper's suggestion of creating a passwords file for yourself.
Craig
I know this must be a very stupid question, but are our emails monitored in any way when we respond through the link attached to someone's name on the GNR. Just curious.
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 19:29:36 (PST)
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Testing
Is there a way for the Password to be stored? A 12 character case sensitive alpha/numeric is a lot to to memorise?
CT
Chris Tamm — Click here to contact me
Hilo, Hawaii
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 15:54:24 (PST)
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Otto and Jill, Port Elizabeth, please e-mail me, if you see this, it seems you have changed your address, my mail to you is being returned. Thanks, June.
June Bohl — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California ,USA
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 14:30:48 (PST)
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Gadzooks!
A message board with all sorts of neat twirlies and stuff.
Craig, now you can give Sandi the attention she needs, and which we all wished to give her but cannot- all the strokes and love that one needs. I hope so. We are with her in spirit.
Thanks so much , mate.
And to Dave - oh most excellent founder,
and Arthur - wthout whom I would not click on piccies and look at all those oldies that popup, and Elias who posts as well as Linda in humor and etc.
My goodiness, bwanas, sure is neat on the GN.
Ciao, bambini
Bill(William T.C.) Knott — Click here to contact me
8119 Bank Street, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K0A 2P0.
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 13:50:11 (PST)
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Linda Moult
Did you get your little gift from
me......what do you think...???
Ali
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 11:33:14 (PST)
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Hey Jill...
Maybe we should gatecrash for a little while down Maple Road! Tell you what... I will not be able to 'crash' for too long, as I will have a friend staying with me (ex-Zimbwabwe)and we are going out that evening. So, I reckon that I will mosey on down around 5.30 - 5.45, take a couple of beers with me, natter a bit, and then come on back home. What you say? Meet you there? Take a little bit of the other places in the Copperbelt to the Broken Hillers.
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 09:33:11 (PST)
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Brasso is back - ahhhh! 4 days without my poota - had severe withdrawal symptoms!!! Modem now repaired!
Craig
Many thanks for the User ID & password. Works a treat! No more Nigerian rubbish!
Sarkyarthur
As U can see. I is now back! Nooooo I'm not gonna report to Headmasters office. I dun nothin wrong! Thanks for all your hard work posting all the superb pics and copies of old adverts! Ting Ling - well what ex-N Rhodesian or Zambian dosen't remember it was Ginger Beer.Most of us were weaned off Ting Ling and onto Castle or Lion Lager. So pleased to hear that Mo is out of hospital and recovering!
To all my GNR ladies - Hellooo gals! I hope U R all well have missed reading all your GNR postings. :-)
Des Kenny U get that post package I sent U for the 14 un-named persons attending Wallasey? Keep pressing mate.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 09:29:17 (PST)
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Unanswered Mail
By the way, I'm not ignoring the 20 messages I have received regarding passwords. Well, actually, I am, but only until this afternoon. I will answer them all then. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 09:07:46 (PST)
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Sorry Dave.
I was unkind to Dave earlier because I made fun of the fact that he was giving advice to people on how to manage their passwords, yet I had to phone him with one of his a couple of weeks ago. However, that was because he lost all of the files on his computer (including his password file) due to a technological SNAFU. If I lost my password file I'd be in a very sorry state indeed.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 09:04:36 (PST)
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Hi!
Craig - great work.
Sandra Marsh - How are you doing? Linda (H) tells me you have one big happy family over there in Oz, sounds like you all have a lot of fun.
The Kitwe pics are great - I know what Linda means when she says that she worked for some of those companies advertised - Kathy Barnett and I worked at Andrew Haywards.
Beth Lloyd - I also live in Kyalami! But, I too didn't come from Broken Hill - have a wonderful reunion - Linda Moult - shall we gate crash?
Craig,
will we be able to change our directory details? According to the directory I have no spouse - I do - Otto - and we've been married 24 years, so I think he'd like to be included in!
Our son Kai, left for Lagos, Nigeria on April Fools Day to film a season of Gladiators there. We haven't heard a word whether or not he is safe and sound, but I guess no news is good news. I have given him strict instructions NOT to let anyone know about this web site! I hope he's okay - he was very nervous about going into the Capital of Corruption, but on reflection, I should have saved all the addresses and given him a hit list! He tells me that the Gladiators chosen there are all pretty mean dudes and dudettes!
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
RSA
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 08:37:56 (PST)
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CRAIG.....I REITERATE.....YOU ARE A LEGEND
It is so nice to be able to post this and know that
our email addresses, are private now...THANKS.
Tina
It is amazing up until now I havent been able to access the MB because of the browser, but I did manage to read a few archives, and if you look at april 18th 2000, you will find an interesting article...which, caused us two a lot of consternation..hmmmm interesting
Passwords
Thanks craig for not taking up Heathers suggestion
of a name change, when I got my password, I was too
scared to see it just in case it read Shindi" Phew!!!
thank goodness..
ciao everyone.
Ali
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 08:25:37 (PST)
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"Morning!" from sunny Texas!
Will the person who was looking for an email address for Bhupe Chauhan please email me. They have recently changed their address and don't mind me giving it out, but not on the GNR.
Blackie Hall, where did you get to?
Johnny Green, I don't see any email in my inbox from you?
Moira, are you in training for the Wallasey reunion?
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 07:06:19 (PST)
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Hi! all
Feeling abit down today,so thought would say hello! hope you all had a good Easter,didn`t get too sick on chocolate.
Pierre,
Hope you and Shirley and the family are ok,have lost your E-mail add,will try and give you a call sometime,to confirm if still ok to meet at Liverpoole bus station.Do you know what Time you`ll be arriving?
How is the grand child,send me a line.
Ken H,
Sorry havent written for awhile,been abit busy with Easter.Hope you are all well,say Hi! to Jackie for Me,are you both coming to Wallasey?really getting quite excited to see the old(sorry!) faces again.
Ann,
Phoned mom Sunday,she sounded really well,Henri was sailing at Mindola dam,alright for some.say hi! to the old man for me.(only joking Robbie,luv ya really.hee!hee!).
Well that`s made me feel alot better,will go and enjoy the sunshine now.
cheers all,
Lydia
lydia Beck — Click here to contact me
Coningsby Lincoln uk
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 04:56:56 (PST)
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Craig
Just a quick note...
I LOVE the "Bom" in my user code - almost makes me feel I have a free hand to do all sorts of things!?
Hope that Sandra is a lot better. Great big wishes to her from me, please.
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 01:39:42 (PST)
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Craig
Well done, Dude!
I think you should send us all your bank account details so that we can send you a few Dollars for all your efforts and hard work? What ya say All?
Elias...
The pic of the rear of the mystery man doing what? Is that you in your hat giving you some shade so that you are able to sew the pink and yellow satin ribbons onto the front of your pants?
Also, with regard to the pic of your personal swimming pool - I reckon every kid up in Nr/Zam would use the zinc wash tub for a cool down - I must dig out the old pic of myself one day...
Eskimo Hut
How many choc-dips did I fork out for from my pocket money, I will never know! Perhaps I'd be a zillionaire today. Ting Ling, the ginger beer was always the option to Hubbly Bubbly at birthday parties. The Sportsman's Den was run by a Mr Smith. My whole family would get all our badminton gear from him. Anyone remember Percy & Abe Kling from the Jewellers in Kitwe?
Beth Lloyd
I live right around the corner from Maple Road! Unfortunately I am not an old Broken Hill pupil. Have a great day!
Linda Moult — Click here to contact me
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 01:36:54 (PST)
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And my password file has almost 400 entries!
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 00:06:00 (PST)
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Dear Beth LLoyd please post your photos to Arthur of the NRP with the names, and if for some reason they canot be displayed please scan them to me and I will send them out to my friends who are scattered all over the globe,Thanks and regards Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough-UK
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 00:03:55 (PST)
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Did anyone hear some whining? I could have sworn I did.
My password looks just as bad as everybody else's by the way.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, April 03, 2002 at 00:03:27 (PST)
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Dawie
Why don't you do like me - commit them to memory - much easier until some colour-blind Bamba Zonke decides to give me YET another one to remember.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 23:35:38 (PST)
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Dave!
That's great advice. Ahem. Do you do that? I'm just looking at my phone bill that arrived today... trying to remember what the 13-minute phone call to the Netherlands was for a couple of weeks ago!
Heather,
I liked the other shade of red better.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 23:18:33 (PST)
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Northerners!
To avoid loosing all my passwords, I copy and paste them into a file which I give some name and then save that file into a directory, or leave it on my desktop. Then when I need the passwords, I copy and paste them into the fields that require them. Now this assumes that you don't have other people using your computer.
Ken in those islands off the Dutch coast
Mr. Reason was the Headmaster at Riverain Primary School when I went there. I lived at 136 Geddes Street. I remember him well, as I received Six of the Best from him after I started a fight in the Boy's Toilet.
Tot ziens
Dawie van der Bliksem
Bringing the Bubi to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 23:06:06 (PST)
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LAMB SPIT BRAAI
for ex pupils of
King George VI High School, Broken Hill
Saturday - 20th April, 2002
Time: 17:00 for 17:30
Cost: R30 per head
Salad: Bring a bowl
Drinks: Bring your own
Address: 182 Maple Road, Kyalami
RSVP: Thelma Peters phone no: 011-7021623
Beth Lloyd - 082-893-8720 or
Sheelagh (Cartmell) on 792-6535 or 082 854 6535
Posted on behalf of Beth Lloyd
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 22:56:51 (PST)
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Elias
Will you kindly desist from discussing my body otherwise I shall be forced to select one of Shoprite's non-recyclable red and yellow plastic bags and into it I shall have to place some freshly ground ginger, eight ounces of chilli powder, some fenugreek, some cardomom so tht we have black lumpy bits and some turmeric for colour. After this, I shall attach the bag to a one inch hosepipe with a piece of 'maleggin', and give you a hot, spicy enema.
Heather Chalcraft — Click here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 22:54:59 (PST)
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I'm absolutely amazed how you computer boffins have updated our site - Thanks so very much to all of you for your hard work.
A special thanks to you too Heather for assisting me soooo much.
Arthur - I didn't know a soul at the NR reunion - I went along to take photos for 'Ron from Hong Kong' as he couldn't make it. When the photos were developed - I popped along to one of the members who unfortunately couldn't remember all the folk - will ask Ken Rose from the Bush pub (ex NRP) to get on to the site and assist us.
May I send you some more NRP photos (1966) to you - with names this time?
Thanks Arthur.
Elspeth Lloyd — Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie Johannesburg
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 22:34:55 (PST)
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Someone mentioned Mr Reason a few messages ago, Iguess this was the Headmaster of Riverain. In 1989 I spent an evening with him whilst working near his home in Melton Mobrey. He was very well.
Ken (Kenneth) Hamilton — Click here to contact me
Plymouth, England
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 21:18:01 (PST)
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This reminds me of the first time I saw my name in the phone book. I am a real person! Egads, but I am going to have a devil of a job remembering my password. It might be a good way for you to make some money on the side, Craig. Charge us for forgetting our passwords. He! He!
Thanks everyone for all the hard work that has gone into this revision. And the photos are absolutely incredible, along with the ads for the various shops and companies in Kitwe. What a hoot that was. I worked in a number of those places and it evokes certain situations or memories associated with those places.
One place in particular, Parklands Bottle Store, was a place I worked when I was about 14. I guess they had no child labour laws in Zambia in those days?? There was a Zambian gentleman who worked in there, stacking the empties and also helping if a customer did not have good English speaking skills. The place was run by an English guy and his wife, who also owned the ice-cream store next door. I can see them in my mind, but can't pull a name yet. Moira, your mom worked in the ice cream store. What was the owner's name? Anyway, this Zambian gentleman would very courteously give back money for deposits on bottles, but invariably he would pocket a little stash for himself along the way. I always wondered if they had a way of determining if any money was missing. I thought about that instantly when I saw the ad for the bottle store. I also laughed my head off at the Bata Shoe ad. It said "shose" instead of "shoes", but was that the one that also guaranteed the shoes for 6 months?
Great to see the photo of Kitwe Primary and the school uniforms. I couldn't get my bearings on the school though. Maybe it was because I did not see the light of day much from the headmaster's office.. Egads, and that Mr. Livingstone. I bet he rapped a few knuckles in his time!
Great to have the board up again. Thanks, Craig, and my regards to you and Sandy. Who do I notify if my birthday details are incorrect in my information?
Sandra Hooper
Welcome aboard buddy! It's about time you posted publicly.
Linda Hayes — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 21:00:11 (PST)
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Hello Northerners,
My name is Sandra Hooper (nee Marsh) and have finally decided to come out of hiding.
I have been reading the postings for a couple of months now and its great to see so many familiar names not to mention the wonderful photos.
I would love to hear from anyone who remembers me or any member of the Marsh family from Kitwe and Garneton.
Linda Hayes
Don't faint, I did say I would make a posting one day!
Sandra
Sandra Hooper — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 18:52:51 (PST)
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Names Directory
Just a short addition to my previous note. A few days ago I did go through the Names Directory and delete entries that either had no e-mail address or had something in the e-mail address field that could not be an e-mail address. If you thought you had an entry in there but don't see it now, then I'm afraid you'll have to re-enter your information when I put the form back up. I will redesign the form so that (hopefully) it will catch these things automatically. There will also be an automatic process to verify e-mail addresses.
Additionally, if I can't somehow contact the 28 people whose e-mail addresses no longer seem to exist, then I will probably delete them as well. There doesn't seem to be much point in having entries for people you can't actually contact.
Thanks.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 18:29:36 (PST)
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Oh No!! No More Invitations to Make Money.
Has anyone noticed that people who are quite large are usually cheerful, happy people. I wondered why Heather was getting very grumpy and bad tempered lately until I saw her photo. She is skinny.
Does anyone know if Scotsmen still have their traditional "wakes"? Do they still sing and dance, have a wild party and land up fighting over the estate? Oh well back to mourning, and I will find out on Friday if we have a funeral or a party.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 15:53:45 (PST)
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Hi its me again I just wanted to see if I have to use my password every time I post a message, yes I do so I shall stick it on my screen. Now here is something not very funny, all the snow melted, I thought Spring had sprung, the daffs, tulips and crocuses all looking good, TODAY the white stuff poured out of the heavens, everything is covered in fluffy white stuff called snow! I'm confused is it the 25th December or is it really the 2nd of April, APRIL - NOT FUNNY, but John and I stared out of the window and whilst shaking out heads in disbelief were quite amused the amusement soon disappeared when my four Yorkshire Terriers came tearing into the house they had taken it upon themselves to go tearing around the back garden in about 6 inches of it, out came the hairdryer, for those of you who dont know, when the poochies run around in the white stuff it sticks to them in balls and forms ice as their bodies are warm, they look hillarious, considering they are only a few inches high themselves they were covered in snowballs, I call them snow bunnies, gee whiz just this past weekend I was calling them Easter bunnies. Love and Hugs to all again Irene
Irene White — Click here to contact me
Fergus,Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 15:28:21 (PST)
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Craig
So much work at such a difficult time. Thank you and Well done! I send my regards and hope that Sandi is still visualizing a clear blue sky, the sparkling torquoise sea and feeling the cool Fremantle Doctor (sea breeze).
Arthur
So pleased I am improving! Thanks for posting those.
Everyone
G'day from WA.
Sue Forde — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 15:26:50 (PST)
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PASSWORD UPDATE
All user IDs and passwords have now been e-mailed to all 529 people in the Names Directory. I've had 26 bounces so far (i.e., bad e-mail addresses), and three are still sitting in the queue on the mail server.
Problems?
Please read the whole message you have received through before you contact me if you are having a problem. I have tried to anticipate common questions and problems and may have addressed your problem in the message. If all else fails, please do contact me. I'm hoping there are not 529 people with problems, but I doubt that will be the case. Seven people posting messages below haven't had a problem so far.
Technical note
The log-in process for the posting page uses session cookies, which means your browser has to be set to accept cookies. If you don't know what cookies are (from a technical standpoint, not a nutrition standpoint), then don't worry. If you do know what they are and are afraid, don't be. I tried to find the cookie on my computer and I can't! (I think I know why.) Anyway, it only logs you into the posting page, and doesn't do anything sinister. It is deleted when you close your browser, so you have to log in again when you open a new browser window. When I get a moment I'll set it so that it lasts longer than that -- in the meantime just keep the e-mail message with your password handy so that you have quick access to it if you want to post a message.
Didn't receive a user ID and password?
If you do currently have an entry in the Names Directory but did not receive a message with your user ID and password, then the most likely reason is because the e-mail address in your entry is wrong or no longer exists. It's also possible, although unlikely, that the message just got lost on the way. If your details were already entered in the Names Directory on or before April 2nd, but you did not receive an e-mail message from me with a user ID and password, please contact me (by clicking on this link or sending me an e-mail if you know my address). To ensure the authenticity of your request, your return address in the message you send should preferably be the same as it is in your current directory entry. However, if you no longer have access to that address for one reason or another, please indicate that in the body of your message and tell me what your old e-mail address was.
Other password-protected areas
I didn't make it very clear in the message I sent out, but the user ID and password you received also gives you access to the other protected areas of the site, such as the old Names Directory and the message board archives. Starting with this month's message board, future message boards will again be available to non-members, but only because they have no e-mail addresses attached to them. Old message boards will remain behind a password.
Contacting people through the Names Directory
If your e-mail address in your Names Directory entry is no longer valid, messages sent to you through the facility in the Names Directory will not reach you, but will not bounce to the person sending the message. This is another (possibly useless) layer of security. If you send a message to someone through this facility, you should know that not receiving a bounce does not mean that the person received the message. In actual fact, they all bounce to me, so don't say anything nasty about me. :)
Adding to the Names Directory
I have disabled the form to add entries to the Names Directory for now. I hope to have it up again within the next few days.
Footnote
By the way, Tina didn't have the privilege of getting her password a day before everyone else. She snuck in with her message before I got a chance to disable the old message board script. I edited her message so that it looks the same as the new format.
Have fun!
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 15:07:14 (PST)
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Thanks Craig and all who have worked so hard to rid us of unwanted ems, it took me a while but got it right in the end. Steve you must send me your address and I will pass it on to Butch perhaps you will get more of a response than I do, I'm afraid he is not very good at letter writing and now has a computer but last I heard did not have internet and em. Thanks for all the lovely pics to those concerned. Linda don't give up on your amusing anecdotes (oops spelling) the Zambian lady will have to wake up to the fact that all over the world people are made fun of and teased, more often than not in a nice way, the Irish, Afrikaner, Poms even the poor Dutch have all those frogs thrown at them from time to time, its life, cripes if we can't laugh at ourselves we are in a poor state. I once slipped on a rotten banana peel in the main street of Pietermaritzburg with the GP starting grid bearing down on me with my legs and arms flailing in the air not to mention the rest of my anatomy, at the time I was so embarrased and indignant but years later still laugh about it, talk about the movies, I would have got an Oscar for that one had Hollywood captured it on film, to all on the GNR Love and Hugs and Keep up the laughter Irene
Irene White — Click here to contact me
Fergus,Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 15:04:39 (PST)
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Ting Ling
We were talking about this just the other day.
Sip it - Drink it - Drain it
Ginger beer.
Tony Austin — Click here to contact me
Houston, Texas
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 14:19:39 (PST)
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It works!! Well done Craig and thanks for the long hours you put into making the GNR a safer, Nigerian-spammer-free place. By the way, the South Africans seem to have started too. My sister-in-law received one by fax! I had to explain to her that no-one was going to give her money for free. She was most disappointed!
Artie, the photos are lovely - particularly like the canna one. I can never see cannas without thinking of Zambia. It's very kind of Peter Hills to let you use his magazines and I know from personal experience how much pleasure they give and will give in the future.
Fiona Gayther — Click here to contact me
UK
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 14:01:02 (PST)
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The password protection is an excellent initiative!
RDK
Richard D Kneller — Click here to contact me
Danbury Essex
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 13:55:54 (PST)
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Arthur,
Jislaike thanks for all those images! It will take me forever to view them all. But I saw your comment about Mr. Livingstone. What a creature! oops, I hope he's not going to read this, because I will NOT go to his office! I have already been there on two occasions for Six of The Best!
Craig,
Thankis for all the hard work. It looks good. Does the system remember your user ID and password, or do you have to re-enter it each time?
Remembering would be moshe.
Tot ziens.
Vriendelijke groeten...
DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM
Bringing the Nuanetsi to Amsterdam!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 10:41:25 (PST)
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Craig
Thanks for all the long hours you have put into the GNR Website, and especially the last few days, I for one know what time and effort you have spent on protecting sensitive areas of this site and the very early hours you have been stopping up to get things done.
I know the majority of members here really appreciate the time you have given us recently, especially in view of Sandies ill health.
Thanks for all you do.
3 cheers for Craig !
Arthur
Northerners !
A few more images from the covers of some of the Rhokana Reviews presently being scanned onto CD.
I met up with Peter Hills again a few days ago, who has kindly entrusted me with more from his precious collection. We have embarked on a mission to catalogue and digitise his entire Rhokana Review collection, with a view to making them available to the members of GNR who may like to see these incredible magazines once again.
This is going to be a long mission, taking around 2 hours to carefully scan each magazine is some task, so I have decided that due to the amount of my time put into this, members will be asked to make a donation to upkeep of the GNR as a small price to pay for a CD when they are finally ready. I will let those interested know how to go about doing this.
In addition we are a quite a number of Reviews short in the collection, a list is been prepared of those we have and have not. Later on, anyone providing the missing magazines for scanning, will be given the final and completed set of CD's.
Many of you are going to be very suprised over the next few weeks, I have already seen lots of you and your parents, brothers, sisters etc in the Rhokana Reviews. Having your names and details in the Names Directory is now going to pay big dividends for those that have bothered.
June Bohl, Gordon Garlick, Marilyn Shooter, Maz Martin, Lynthia, Viv and Heather (Eldridge) and one or two others - keep your eyes peeled on this months Message Board - you are in for some big suprises, Des Kenny already has had his...
Well here they are, get out your tissue boxes - these images are going to make some of you cry your heads off !
"A well-known building - it is a trading store - which stands on the roadside of the Nkana - Ndola road not far from the Luanshya turnoff". (January 1955)
"This colourful scene is re-enacted practically every Sunday afternoon during the softball season. In the background are the Rhokana Flats". (April 1955)
"Soccer and rugby matches in progress on the Rhokana Club playing fields". (April 1957)
"Cannas growing in the roundabout at the corner of 11th Avenue and Harrison Street make a very pretty picture for motorists entering Nkana, Metropolis of the North and Centre of the Universe, along the Ndola - Luanshya road". (July 1955)
"The road to the Bancroft Copper Mine, winding its way through the thickly wooded Rhodesian bush". (May 1955)
"Mr and Mrs Peter Gurney (nee Lendrum) after their wedding at the St Michael and All Angels' Church, Kitwe photographed with Anne Sinclair (bridesmaid), Shauna Lendrum, (bridesmaid), Cherry Lendrum (flower girl), Charles Gurney (best man), and Adrian Lendrum (groomsman)". (June 1957)
"Con Oelofsen, who is an electrician in our smelter plant, with his horses Bruce (in the box) and Atom, and Des and Suzanne Page (partly hidden) with their horses Phantom and Desert Gold. Des was a member of the ventilation department. The young lady on the left is Anne Cameron. The photograph was taken at the Nkana Polo Club". (March 1957)
"Pretty television personality, Marcia Pennington, poses for a picture at Mindola Dam". (February 1962)
"Another year of schooling has commenced and by now most scholars have settled down to the work ahead of them. Our front cover shows children attending the Kitwe Primary School - their pretty uniforms and pleasant surroundings make a very attractive picture". (February 1955)
The composition and quality of these photos is superb - there was obviously no expense spared in employing a professional photographer who certainly knew his stuff.
In addition to the usual articles within the mags like Carols by Candlelight, Rhodes Park, Parties, Sport, Sundowners, Church do's, Schools and photos all related to the region, there are also fantastic articles about animals, hunting, tourism, and articles about Northern Rhodesia in general. I will be taking some of these out the magazines and publishing them onto the GNR website very soon.
Oh and by the way - schools - all the Nkana Kitwe teachers are shown in here, and HEADMASTERS - Dawie, Brasso - where are you - outside Mr Reasons office please !
Arthur Steevens
Whoosh - in an E-Type Jaguar
16 seconds to 100 m.p.h.
PROUDEST man on the Copperbelt at the moment must surely be Dave Klein, the managing director of a chain of Northern Rhodesia cinemas, for Dave has at last acquired the car of his dreams . . . and, I daresay, the dreams of many others, too.
It's the fabulous 'E'-type Jaguar Grand Touring Fixed Head Coupe. Now, so much has been said about this car that when Dave told me that I could drive the Jag and have some pictures taken for Rhokana Review, I decided to try and see for myself what this car has that has prompted American enthusiasts to place orders amounting to £10 million for these models.
Unfortunately, in this country we are not blessed with an M1, on which we can allow a monster, such as this Jag could be in the wrong hands, to stretch its legs. The maximum permitted speed on the Copperbelt is a mere 60 miles an hour.
So I got in touch with the Nkana Aerodrome people who very kindly consented to allow me to take the car out there one morning.
As luck would have it, the gravel airstrip was soggy after the recent rain. I had only to put my foot down a little on the accelerator to tear up laterite in great chunks and spin the car around.
So I had to content myself with driving around the approach roads in short bursts of acceleration with fairly heavy braking.
Now for my (somewhat shaken) impressions:
The Jag's most amazing feature is a docility and driving ease when you apply a fairly light foot - but jam the throttle wide open and wow-you are pushed right back into the comfortable and well-supporting bucket seat, and without undue noise, are suddenly propelled forward through the gears way up over the 100 m.p.h. mark.
In fact it's frightening to watch the speedometer needle rush over the ton and into the 110's and 120's. It takes a mere sixteen seconds to reach the magical 100.
But this is where I found my first, and only real disappointment with this otherwise perfect piece of machinery - the same old, slow easy to beat synchromesh Jaguar gearbox.
Fast acceleration through the gears always beats second and the change down from third can be uncomfortably noisy. But with the cog eased into position, this is a pleasant enough operation.
Cornering is fantastic, whipping the car into a tight curve at fairly high speed, you always feel that reassuring digging-in of the outside rear wheel: positively no axle-tramp or sliding. The beautifully finished wood-rimmed alloy steering wheel has only two turns lock-to-lock and correction of a skid is a dream.
Brakes are always powerful and under heavy braking power at high speed there is no pulling on either side. Noise-wise the 'E type would be most unimpressive to the enthusiasts who enjoy snarling straight-through exhausts.
The twin silencers are most efficient and contribute greatly to the impression of enormous power without discomfort. In fact, with the windows closed, one can hear very little from outside apart from a little camshaft noise at low engine speeds.
The interior is plain and functional in the extreme, all instruments required by the conscientious driver to tell him how the car is running, are large and conveniently placed.
In the open model, boot space is negligible, but in the coupe model there is more than enough room for two people's luggage. Access to this is achieved through quite a wide, upward-opening door in the sloping roof.
Now for the most fantastic feature of this incredible motor ear ... the price. It should be borne in mind that the 'E'-type is the equal in performance, quality and reputation of such illustrious names as the Aston Martin, the Ferrari Berlinetta Coupe, and the 150GT Maserati. But the Jaguar is available in the open version at £1,480 and the coupe at £1,550.
And for all this, no one can dispute the value and quality of the Jaguar. The car that Dave Klein is now running at 30 m.p.h. around Kitwe today could be entered in any sports car or Grand Touring type race anywhere in the world and is capable of winning - a truly wonderful motor car. By the way, if you ever get the chance of driving an 'E'-type... DO,
Article extracted from Rhokana Review - Motoring with Nick Worrall
February 1962
Another piece of memorabilia I'm currently digitising onto Cd is the Kitwe Boys High School Magazine - 1962
Here are some advertisements that will bring back a memory or two.
Who remembers and knows what Ting Ling is?
Back to the HEADMASTERS office - Dawie - remember Mr Livingstone ? Whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack ! ouch !
I do ! (and one or two of the other teachers as well)
Going back to the mystery on the KBHS Coat of Arms, yes, it is a fat spotted trout (well the other one looked like a cod, so I replaced it). The symbols above the Fish Eagle are the signs for the element, copper, not the amount of times the older boys scored so poorly.
Arthur Steevens
Northerners !
Some late photo arrivals from the Northern Rhodesia Police get-together last year in Johannesburg.
Paddy Patterson, John Collett, Harry Mckinley
Phillipa Pamphilon, Lily Patterson, Paddy Patterson, John Collett
Harry Mckinley, ?, Alec Shackleton
Ian Duncan, ?, Roddy Campbell, Jenny Campbell, Dave Burnett.
Beth Lloyd
(No names on the last photo Beth? - people please come forward! - Arthur)
Arfur
I nearly forgot to send the Lusaka Club pic. I'll set the scene...
This is quite historic as it shows the typical expression of a Lusakaan in urgent need of a g&t and a curry lunch. You can see the subject can smell and taste his quarry and does not wish to be held up for a silly photo.
Tina
Arthur,
Someone was asking the other day about Eureka Race Track in Lusaka.
Here is an aerial view of the race track (on the far side of the tar road). In the foreground is Baobab College which as you can see is still having buildings built (a phased development) and where we are still developing our sports facilities. Please note Zambia's best half-Olympic size, anti-wave, swimming pool in the foreground and if you look carefully you'll be able to see the 10 ngwee piece lying at the bottom of the pool.
Herewith three photos of the Olympic pool in Lusaka for all the Lusakans out there
Since everyone has been bugging me for a photo of Kevin Shone, here it is.
And since I was doing a photo of Kevin, I thought I should finally do that one of myself (or rather get one done of me) so my roving photographer friend from next door decided that this is 'me'
Heather
Bwana Steevens
I hope the stripped donkey makes this shot germane. Sylvia, Zandi and me on Grassmere farm 22 miles west of Lusaka in 1950.
Regards Gordon.
Gordon - brill photo! What is the story behind all these animals? did'nt they bite? - Arthur
Hi
I am looking for a starting place to try and locate relatives that lived in Salibury S. Rhodesia. I have a photo of them in front of the Leopard Rock Hotel and in front of the Fairbridge Memorial. I believe they were in the construction business there. Last name of Carruthers, they immigrated to S.A. from Ireland
Here are the two photos I have of the family members I am trying to get info on. The younger of the gentlemen is John Carruthers, the girl's name is Patricia, the older gentleman I believe is his father Harold. The monument is the Faribridge, and the Hotel is the Leopard Rock. At least is noted on the back of the photos as South Rhodesia. The crest on his blazer is H C, no idea for the meaning. I was told that they were in the construction business there. Last known area of residence was Salisbury.
Thank You any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Mike Henson
Northerners - if you can help Mike please request his email address from me - Arthur
Arthur please post this picture for the benefit of all ex-Kitwe Lechers!
Especially Messrs Green & Miller.
As I mentioned in a previous posting, "The Tassle" was given to me as a momento of one her shows at The St, Tropez & although it is a bit moth eaten & permanently attached to my liquor cabinet key, it still has a profound effect on my hormones every time I open the Pub. I managed to get another Pam (who strips for me on an increasingly infrequent basis!) to model the artifact.
She would only agree to attach it to a less lascivious body part, since any other location could well cause fatal apoplexy to surviving Copperbelt Codgers who were fortunate to attend any of the "Pamela the Tassle Tosser" performances at the Tropez those eons ago.
I directed my Spouse to attempt to get the tassle twirling.
As the picture shows, all she could manage was a 'Knee Jerk'!!!
Sorry guys - shes da Boss!
James Hunt
PETAUKE - The centre of civilisation.
Northerners have often claim claimed various towns as the centres of civilization with no justification. Ken Miller claimed Kasama, Alix Key- Kafue, Johnny Green-Chingola, Charles CJ-Broken Hill, Dave Cooper-Kapiri Mposhi and many others -Kitwe.
Now here is photographic evidence that proves Petauke was the best.
More than 50 years there was a thriving shopping centre as shown in the background behind the kid with the big mouth. This was the department store where all the White Fathers and missionaries bought their alcohol. The elephant and rhino poachers sold their ivory and the Chiefs bought gunpowder,
There was also a large housing estate as you can see from the two houses, Equipped with the latest modern facilities, like window glass. Outside toilets and thatched roofs.
Also a bustling amusement centre fitted with the very latest games as you can see from the barrel in the background and the car in the foreground.
Unlimited tourist attractions. Lusaka was only a two day drive away. Chipata, quite a few hours drive. Lundazi Castle, Feira for old slave trade remnants. Lake Nyasa a days drive
The argumentative Chris Tamm who is always complaining about dilapidation of town centres can finally be proved wrong.. Chris if you compare the original shopping centre with the picture Heather took from nearly the same place a few weeks ago, you can see the improvement and developments and the colours of the additional shops..
Regards
Elias
Hi Arthur
Thanks for posting those others - the only one that seems fairly clear is Chris Hill. I'm sorry - I thought I was improving! I scanned them all at 600dpi too. Oh well...
If you don't mind, I'm sending a few more for whenever you are ready. I won't name them - it'll be interesting to find out who recognises or remembers who! I just hope they don't mind - but I did ask first!
Hope your day has been wonderful.
Sue Fforde
Thanks Sue - you are improving ! - slowly - Sark
Guess who ? Guess what ?
Charlie
CD - went in the post today.
Was that you playing "chicken" in the photo of BH's main street and not a dead body after all ?
Did your Mom bring you food while you waited a few weeks for traffic to come by ?
Peace
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 09:27:44 (PST)
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PLEASE READ THIS!
Everything is working now, except I haven't sent anyone their user IDs and passwords, so nobody can post. However, I'm going to bed, and will send them in the morning (my time).
Please don't e-mail me asking for your user ID and password. I will post a message here when they are sent, so you'll know to look for them in your e-mail at that time.
Thank-you.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 02, 2002 at 01:02:57 (PST)
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Heather
Interesting article. My cheque for US$3000 is on its way to you. Three of the prettiest colored ones please.
Ali
Now that's a lovely Lowdown trick all right. Ciwe ... sort of sounds like Kiwi doesn't it? Confidentially, could very easily have been me, Ali.
Much more sophisticated than giving a someone a note with a name and number saying someone has called for him. He promptly calls this number and asks for Mr. Baehr to discover that he has the local Zoo on the phone. Zoos must truly hate April 1.
Linda
Bubba has changed his name to Blubba and won't even look at his favorite huntin rifle. I passed a building site this morning and all those 2 x 4's...I had to pull over. Goodbye Beauteous.
Tina
Tina Magee — Click here to contact me
Texas
Monday, April 01, 2002 at 00:11:42 (PST)
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A NEW MONTH, A NEW MESSAGE BOARD
The message board is archived at 23:58 (GMT, aka UTC) on the last day of every month. This message is just a reminder that the messages from last month have not disappeared into the bit bucket. They can still be found in the archives. On the archives page you will find links to every message board since its inception.
Following are some tips and suggestions for using this message board and the rest of the site. These notes were last updated on March 17th, 2005.
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Considering each message board can get quite large, it can be quite a challenge to find a particular word or name, especially if you're sure that you saw that word or name somewhere before. There's a much easier way to search the page than scrolling through hundreds of messages until you're cross-eyed. On Windows-based computers, you can just hit Ctrl+F; in Internet Explorer a small search box will appear on top of the message board (assuming that you already have the message board open) and in Mozilla Firefox a search box will appear at the bottom of the browser window. Just type the word or words for which you are searching into the box, then hit the Enter key (in Internet Explorer) or follow the highlighting (in Firefox) to see where your browser stops as it searches for the word. Repeat as often as necessary to find all instances of your search term.
Getting Your Browser to Remember Passwords
Most (if not all) modern Web browsers have some sort of mechanism for remembering the user IDs and passwords required for some Web sites. To get the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer (used by about 90% of GNR visitors) to remember the passwords you have to enter into a Web page:
- Click on Tools then Internet Options.
- Click on the Content tab.
- Click on the AutoComplete button.
- Click to put a check mark in the "User names and passwords on forms" field.
- Click OK, then click OK again.
To get Mozilla Firefox (upon which Netscape Navigator is based, so the instructions are probably about the same) to remember your user IDs and passwords, do the following:
- Click on Tools then Options.
- Click the Privacy icon.
- Click Saved Passwords.
- Click to put a check mark in the "Remember Passwords" field.
- Click OK.
You should still keep a record of your passwords somewhere, as your passwords will all be lost if you have to do something like reinstall Windows.
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If you would like to have an image posted here, but do not have a server on which to post the image, please read the submission instructions and the "Contributing to this Site" page for some important tips on scanning pictures.
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In an attempt to defeat spammers who would like to collect e-mail addresses from this message board, e-mail addresses of posters are not shown; instead, a link to the poster's Names Directory entry (or a contact form for non-members) is added at the end of each message, through which members can contact the poster should they so desire. (Message boards prior to April 2002, accessible only to members once logged in, do show "broken" e-mail addresses.) E-mail addresses are not shown in the Names Directory either; instead, a Web-based form is used to initiate contact. If you already know the e-mail address of the person you would like to contact, we suggest that you use regular e-mail rather than using the Names Directory system. Only members may use the Web-based contact system.
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Have fun!
The Great North Road — Northern Rhodesians Worldwide
1st of the Month, 2002 at 00:00:00 (GMT, aka UTC)
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