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Paudie

Thanks for revised Banbury Bash stats. Man of many towns!

Dave Cooper

Like U I too hail from the (as U put it) posh side Nkana East ...... we lived in 25th Ave on the "Private and security guarded" CPC (Copperbelt Power Co) estate which was seperated from the "other classes" in Nkana East! Also such credited names like the Kenny's (nee Crouch), Steevens' and if I recall the Mooys also lived in Nkana East. All part of the metropolis of Greater Kitwe. Hee hee.

Apologies for the typing - am all bandaged up on left hand/arm as silly or dumb me stabbed my hand with a pair of kitchen scissors. Ended up having 3 stitches and nearley severing a tendon. Tendon is severely bruised and have to rest hand now. Gonna be strapped up for 7 days now. Ohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 22:19:49 (UTC)


Brue seals, white petroreum jerrieeeeee

Sorry, Elias and anyone offended. Simply couldn't resist after Elias'sses posting below.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 21:52:51 (UTC)


Gary et al,

I am sorry to chuck a spanner in the works, but I am NOT from Kitwe.

I am from NKANA! And I know I am from the "nouveau riche" part of Nkana, namely Nkana-East and not classical "Old Nkana Town", as are the more illustrious members of our community such as the Retamals and Bohls, but thank the gods I am NOT from Kitwe!

Best wishes to all from a sunny, warm, bright morning San Francisco and a cold, windy, and foggy afternoon San Francisco.

Got my taxes done! Cost me 1 100,00US$ !!!!!

I will be back home in my beloved Amsterdam on 12 July.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem
(visiting San Francisco)

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 21:30:59 (UTC)


Heather!! I have found the way to soften your heart. Please send me some local Glycerine as soon as possible. The glycerine used here is no good. It is only used for explosives and heart attack cures.
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From Today's Sunday Mail.June 30, 2002

Man 'softens' woman's heart with glycerine
By PETER CHIKWAMPU

A CO-DEFENDANT told the Lusaka Boma Local Court that she agreed to commit adultery because the man who proposed love to her bought her glycerine to purify and smoothen her skin.

Mirriam Moono of Makeni township was testifying in a case in which her husband, Teddy Mulimba of the same township sued John Mbewe of Kanyama Compound for marriage interference and committing adultery with his wife.

Moono told the court that Mbewe, who used to visit their home as a friend, later proposed love to her.

Moono said initially she turned down the love offer but Mbewe's insistence and persuasion softened her and eventually she agreed.

She said she gave in because Mbewe was so convincing and that he promised to buy her groceries such as washing powder and glycerine, which her husband did not provide her with.

"My lord I agreed to have sex with Mbewe on three occasions because he was buying me glycerine to smoothen my skin and washing powder to wash my dirty linen," she said.

Mulimba told the court that Mbewe was a good friend who often went to their house to chat, sometimes until late in the night.

Mulimba said one day thought twice about why Mbewe frequented their house. It was then that he started noticing something fishy.

He said to trap them, he one day pretended to be sick and that he wanted to rest in the bedroom.

Mulimba said while he was resting, Mbewe visited them and asked Moono where her husband was and she said he was in the bedroom sleeping because he was unwell.

Pretending to be fast asleep, Mulimba heard the whole love conversation between his wife and Mbewe. He said soon afterwards, Mbewe and his wife left the house.

He said he went out after them and he found the two in a disused house. By the time he found them, however, the two had already finished making love but he was just in time to see Mbewe running away.

He said later, Mbewe asked for forgiveness and gave him a bicycle to indicate his regret.

In defence, Mbewe denied ever making love to Mulimba's wife. He said Moono was telling the court lies.

Mbewe said the time Mulimba was claiming to have found them committing adultery, he (Mbewe) was returning catapults he had borrowed during the day.

He said because Mulimba was not feeling well, his wife (Moono) decided to escort him.

Passing judgement, senior presiding justice Saineti Chitambo, who sat with senior court justices Henry Mwananshiku and Godfrey Banda, found Mbewe guilty and ordered him to pay Mulimba K600,000 as compensation with an initial payment of K100,000 to be followed by K50,000 monthly installments.
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Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 19:39:19 (UTC)


Gary Brassington

MUFULIRA

I saw your stats on the Banbury Bash attendees. My brother Éamon and myself lived in Chingola, Mufulira and Kitwe. We spent most of our time in Mufulira. Gill Main quite correctly describes Mufulira as the bestest town on the Copperbelt.

So I officially, proudly and unreservedly declare that my brother and I will be part of the growing Mufulira contingent at the Banbury Bash.

Hence revised stats of confirmations to date are:

Mufulira 2

Kitwe 32







Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 12:26:53 (UTC)


Hey Gary!
You forgot the people from Mufulira! It's a bit too far for me but if I win the Lotto I will definately come. I have an Aunt in Leafield just down the road from you.

Cheers and best wishes

Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 10:42:37 (UTC)


Banbury Bash Attendee statistics by Town

I have been doing some statistical work on those attending the Banbury Bash so far! By far the largest contingent will be from Kitwe (34); Lusaka (7); Chingola (9); Kabwe (3); Luanshya (2); Mulobezi (2) and Choma (1)!!!!!!!!!

We still need to see more bashers from other towns like Ndola, Muf, Bancroft, Itimpi (Garneton); Kalalushi, Livingstone and even greter numbers from Lusaka; Chingola, Luanshya and Kabwe. Common folks there must be more of U from other towns in Zambia resident in UK who could swell the numbers to leave us Kitweites in the minority for a change!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 22:54:52 (UTC)


Barrie & Pat Braidford

Good to see U posting on the GNR again. Was a pleasure and delight to meet U both at Wallasey - I sincerely hope U will allow me the opportunity of being able to be your host at the Banbury Bash on 21st September! Look forward to receiving your confirmation soon I trust!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 22:12:58 (UTC)


Des Kenny, Adrian Mooy, Bob & Liz Tring and Sue & Hartley Heaton.

Confirm receipt of your payments for Banbury Bash Braai etc. Thank you all. Look forward to seeing you on the day!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, June 29, 2002 at 12:00:31 (UTC)


Hello again,
been busy lately, hence long time since I posted.
We are still considering the BANBURY BASH. I still read the site every day, and love the pictures. I also have some old NR photos to send to Arthur as well as some new ones of the present to be posted on the site. Hope you are all well and happy where ever you are, and those of you still in Africa, YOU MAKE ME JEALOUS!!!!
PS. any of you out there interested in engineering history?? it is one of my specialities and I am surrounded by it where I live here in the north east of England. Railways began here, the electric light was invented here as was photography, also the steam turbine, the rifled gun barrel, reinforced concrete, power hydraulics, etc etc all things that changed the world in many ways.
regards barribee.

Barrie BraidfordClick here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Friday, June 28, 2002 at 21:54:09 (UTC)


Names Directory Update

As most of you know, I have had the form for adding new entries to the Names Directory off-line since the beginning of April when we put certain areas of the site under lock and key and made them available to members only (i.e., people who have an entry in the Names Directory). I had hoped that I would have it back on-line again within a few days, but I have not been able to do that.

Considering the length of time it has been down, it's not surprising that I and the others that run the site are getting messages wondering when the form will be back up. To those of you who are waiting quietly and patiently in the wings, I apologise and appreciate your patience.

I am going to tackle the form again next week. If I can't get it to behave the way I want it to by next weekend, then I will but the form back up regardless for a week or two so that we can have a go at clearing the backlog.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, June 28, 2002 at 19:11:45 (UTC)


Heather,
Those are great snaps, and thanks for confirming something for me. The article Arthur posted on Harrison-Clarke where it mentioned changa-changa's house was at the confluence of the Luangwa/Lukusashi Rivers, and not the Luensemfwa/Lukusashi Rivers - not far from ol' Bro. Purdi???'s (sp/?) Chingombi Mission. Now THERE was a character!
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, June 28, 2002 at 13:19:24 (UTC)


Northerners

Yesterday afternoon Rolf Shenton came in to see me, having just got back from a trip where he, his eleven year old son and three other adults cycled from Mkushi to where the Luangwa River crosses the Great East Road. I was rushing off to a meeting, but grabbed four of the photographs for scanning. I did select some others but didn't have the time to scan them - these will be done in due course.

The Lukusashi River, near Chingombe

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The confluence of the Lukusashi and Lunsemfwa Rivers

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The ruins of Changa Changa's (Harrison Clark) house, built circa 1890.

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, June 28, 2002 at 12:20:33 (UTC)


Marilynn Noall,
I will be back in 4 weeks, and will arrange to meet for coffee then,thanks.... oh well back to the packing.....4 hours to go...

Alix

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, June 28, 2002 at 07:06:03 (UTC)


Sue Forde

Sorry I missed coffee with you and Hazel this morning. Working full time can get in the way of one's social life badly. However, I spoke to Hazel who sounds just as she did when we last met, almost 30 years ago! If you do make it to West Perth one day it will be great to see you both, and there's always the weekends. As I said, I play a VERY dismal game of golf - I'm still learning. Do you play?

This is my business email. My home computer finally died and a new one is on the wish list, along with the Honda CRV and a trip to the UK. How did you wangle a trip? Any tips will be most appeciated. Clive's digging his heels in.

Heather Chalcroft

I thought you and Joan would know each other. You appear to lead similar lives. My son Adam always wanted to live with Joan. She had lions and flew a 'plane while I was just a 'mum'. Now that I scuba dive and hang glide and go on the big rides at the Luna Park I've gained a little more respect.

When next you email Joan would you mind giving her my email address please? Or she could pay the GNR site a visit. I'd love to make contact with her again.

Have a good weekend, everyone, whether you're a Greek God bearing gifts or not!

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, June 28, 2002 at 04:51:07 (UTC)


Ada Cantrell

Hiya. Apologies if I came over a bit abrupt in my earlier posting - am somewhat stressed at moment. Lots on my mind! I know U R only 5ft 1ins like me but we are small and wonderful babe! I would seriously miss both Chris & U at Banbury Bash - and do hope that circumstances permitting U may be able to attend. I hold U, Chris and others too numerous to mention in high regard. Good friendships are hard to find and should be cherished!

Gilly main

Thanks for your message re Bash. I have e. mailed bash venue details and also list of hotels and B & B's in Banbury area. Also details are posted her on june section of GNR Message Board (just scroll down) for you Muf mates to read as well.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 21:48:52 (UTC)


Charles
Thanks you for that - I look forward to hearing from Tony.

Arthur
I will "Throw You With a Stone"!!!!!!!!!
We hope to be at the BASH. Thank you for my Grandad's story. I only wish when I used to sit and listen to him telling us about those days that I had had a tape recorder on me. He was such an interesting man. I have a book written by him about his life. Will let you see it when next we see you.

Gary
What has happened to you (It was only a joke you know) I am only 5'1" so what the hell. Cheer up!!!!

Ada CANTRELL (née WIENAND, formerly n/a)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 15:08:09 (UTC)


G'day All.

Marilyn Noall
How about meeting Hazel and I for a cuppa at Hillarys Harbour Quay Cafe tomorrow about 11am? We've both got a day off - have you? I've emailed you privately but noticed that it is a company address and you probably won't check it 'til tomorrow.

Janette Anderson
What say you join us?

Tina McGee
Are you home yet? How was the holiday? Can't wait to hear all about it!

Arthur
What's this about you retiring - you are far too young! I know Heather will do a fantastic job with the photos... but please explain!

Brasso
Keep up the good work... we're all looking forward to your PAAARTEEE!





Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 12:57:31 (UTC)


Marilyn Noall
Yes, I do know Joan and was exchanging emails with her just a few weeks ago. The last time I saw here was about a year ago and she was looking very well.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 11:06:45 (UTC)


Ada Cantrell,
I tried to contact Tony this a.m. but his on leave - will give him a call next week.
Regards

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 09:31:02 (UTC)


Janette Anderson

Balie is a great holiday venue, I agree. However, now that you're back and rested perhaps we can meet for that long awaited cup of coffee. It's been, what? 40 odd years I think. Perhaps Sue Forde can join us. Alix will be winging her way to the Land of the Great White Cloud so I know she can't.

Sue Forde

Catch up for a coffee soon?

Alix

Happy Holidays in New Zealand but do try to resist having one of their famous tattoos!


Arthur

I'm searching my mum's home for my late dad's photo album. Lots of history there. Pics of Rhokana Mine under construction. I remember several showing the conveyor belt, supported by 44 gallons drums that had just collapsed. I'll scan some and email them to you.

Maeve Hall-Thomson

I'm trying to convince Clive that all I need to make me happy again (well, women do these kinds of things don't they?) is to attend the Bigger Banbury Bash in September. So far it's not working but I haven't given up! Look forward to meeting again.

Heather Chalcroft

Any chance you know Joan (Denovan) Irwin? One of my cousins living in Lusaka. My brother, Eric Shooter lived in Lusaka many years. Married Iris Yearworth.

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 07:06:06 (UTC)


Many thanks for birthday greetings received earlier this month. Have just returned from a short vacation on the island of Bali and now totally refreshed for another wonderful year. The sights and smells of Bali are very reminiscent of Northern Rhodesia in the early years as was the lush tropical vegetation. It seems some places never change.

Janette Anderson

Janette Anderson (née thomson)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 27, 2002 at 04:42:32 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

For me, some of the most enjoyable moments in the history of the Great North Road have occurred in the last week while I am here in southern California on family-related affairs. It has evolved into a sort of extended national family-related affair.

First there was the meeting with a truly groovy guy, Glen Drake. Finding another biker who relates to me not only in the type of bikes that I am passionate about, but also in terms of the type of bike culture that I am comfortable with, it truly amazing. Especially if we share a Northern Rhodesian experience! Thanks Glen!

But then there was a meeting that occurred which is something that I have looked forward to having since I set up the Great North Road website way back in web prehistory in 1996. Those who know me,know what a dark, frightening, and horrific year that was for me---death stalked at every corner, and in my desire for escape from Mr. Reeper, I dived into the then new world of HTML and the world wide web and came up with a web site for ex-pat Northern Rhodesians.

The ground was virgin, and there laying on the surface, like a diamond in the rough on the sands of the Skeleton Coast, lay the life of Mr. Robert Retamal. There were others too, like Mr. Mervyn Blumberg, and the other handful of founding members. Everything was so fresh!

Robert's Northern Rhodesian experience was particularily intriguing. He was born in Nkana Hospital in the 1930's and spent his youth growing up in Nkana on Boma Street, attending Frederick Knapp School, and finally, like many of us, some 20 years later, reluctantly leaving the land that he loved to find a new life in The Argentine, Chile, and finally the United States.

Robert has a rich and dazzling story to tell of the early days on Nkana. What was amazing upon meeting him in person was the joy to hear in his voice, the same ardent passion for his life in Africa as us new comers have! Robert left Africa forever, in 1948! And he still has a Northern Rhodesian accent! He has been vigilant in maintaining his Northern Rhodesian culture and attitude! Bravo, Robert!

In the early days of the Great North Road, Robert provided me with an astounding expose' of photographs of his childhood and his environment in Nkana in the 1930's and 1940's. It was one of the first parts of the this site which I uploaded. I have often urged all members and readers of this site, to go to this amazing collection of our heritage, and to revell in the amazing professional quality of those moments so long ago, captured in our country. I hope all of you have done that.

And there is more to come! Apparently Robert has a treasure-trove of possibly many more photographs that chronicle the early days of life in Northern Rhodesia. I have urged him to contact Arthur Steevens and Heather Chalcraft so that we can properly display this wondrous cache of our cultural history!

Thanks Robert for the marvellous tour of Laguna Beach and superb dinner! We dined together overlooking the Pacific Ocean... lights twinkling on the shore, waves lapping at the white sands, and a full moon shining blue and silver beams on a very special life: that of Mr. Robert Retamal.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road
(visiting California)



Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 23:33:49 (UTC)


Ada /Elias ,

And how does Austin Wienand fit into the puzzle ? Or maybe not ?

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 23:01:16 (UTC)


Ada

Pleasure's all mine - glad to bring you back wonderful memories - makes it all worthwhile.

Thought you and others may like to read the article that went with the photo - your family certainly were true Northern Rhodesians.

I WILL see you at the Banbury Bash - make sure you're there otherwise I will chuck YOU with a stone.

Please mail me with your postal address and I will send you the photo.

I am continuing with my mission to obtain and scan all the Rhokana Reviews - one day this will be complete !

Arthur




An Old-Timer Remembers

As told to F. E. Gerard by Carl Wienand


IF YOU go to Broken Hill or anywhere else around that particular neck of the woods you'll find that all Managers of Native compounds are referred to by the Africans as Changa Changa. If you ask a native interpreter the reason for this he will smile obliquely and tell you that Changa Changa means 'he who brings men together who would otherwise fight so that they sit down together and do not do so,' or give some similar garbled explanation. But should you be dissatisfied with this and press the matter, you will find yourself richly rewarded, for behind this queer ponderous title there lies a story that is worth the telling.

At sundown on a hot, dusty evening in 1896 four men stood upon a little knoll in the Central African bush and stared back over the endless treetops in the direction of the route they had travelled during the day. Some miles to the north smoke rose lazily into the still air. It could come from a small spontaneous bush-fire or from the campfire of a war party of Matabele. Taking a line on two trees, one near and one further off, Harrison Clark steadily watched the smoke for some ten minutes. He stood very still, scarcely blinking in his concentration. Then his tense figure relaxed suddenly. The smoke was rising from a point further to the west. It was not a campfire. He broke a long silence. 'Bush fire', he observed laconically.

He led the way down the little hill to the bank of the muddy stream beside which they had elected to camp for the night. He cast a non-committal glance at his three companions. They were sweat-stained, dust-caked and weary to the bone. He had set a cracking pace during the day's trek.

He would have gone on, for the bush never tired him. He was self-sufficient, an individualist, a solitary. He cursed himself for throwing in his lot with this bunch. He spoke his thoughts aloud. 'Well, boys, let's face it,' he said, sullenly. 'We'll never get through to the Transvaal if we stay in a bunch. Any one of old Loben's warriors worth his salt could follow our trail blindfold. We got to break up. One man's spoor isn't as easy to stay on. The whole country's up and we know there's an impi somewhere to the south of us. I'm for scattering.' 'Me and Jock, we're going to stick together,' said the man they called Shorty. 'Aren't we. Jock?' 'Yes,' nodded Jock, 'we'll keep going for the Transvaal border.'

'Then in the morning it'll be each man for himself,' said Harrison Clark.
'I reckon we're making a mistake,' observed Shorty, uneasily.
'Stands to reason we're better off together. Four rifles are more than four times better than one.'
'What about you, Spencer?' asked Clark.
'Scatter,' said the Englishman, wasting no words.
'Right,' agreed Clark. 'I reckon we're safe enough until morning.
We've come pretty fast. We'll break camp then and go our own ways.'


As they lay in their blankets that night both Clark and Spencer were well content at the decision to 'go it alone.' They were old hands in the bush. Shorty was just as glad to tag along with Jock.

With the defeat and flight of Lobengula in 1893, the Chartered Company had declared all Matabele cattle 'royal.' The herds had been impounded until such time as the Company should apportion out the beasts among the tribesmen. With the outbreak of rebellion by the Matabele in 1896, the herds, which had been in the care of the indunas, had been brought in to central areas lest the tribesmen drive them off.

Both Matabele and Mashona were outraged at this high-handed behaviour with regard to their cattle, for not only were they temporarily deprived of food and hides but they considered that they had lost considerable face. It was, therefore, a matter of pride for the rebellious warriors to lift as many cattle as they could from the areas where they had been concentrated, and, not infrequently, small herds were 'cut out' and driven off into the bush. Any white man who found himself in the neighbourhood of such marauding impis could count on one thing-short shrift.

When Harrison Clark and his companions broke camp just before dawn upon the following morning they knew perfectly well that they were somewhere between two of these raiding impis. Their situation was parlous in the extreme. The instinct of the two friends. Jock and Shorty, was to get right out of the country. They considered they would be safe only when they were across the Limpopo and into the Transvaal. They actually succeeded in getting through. Both Harrison Clark and the Englishman, Spencer, had the same idea-which they did not communicate to each other. They would go north towards one threatening impi, on the principle that to know where your enemy is, is half the battle.

Both men faded into the bush . . . And about that time a certain Doctor Bloomfield made his appearance in Northern Rhodesia who . . . But that, as Kipling says, is another story.

Not far from where the rivers Lukusashi and Luangwa come together there stands today a Jesuit mission where the good fathers care for their black flock. In 1896, however, there was nothing there but virgin bush and a few clearings where the local Natives had erected their beehive villages.

Into this area there came a white man. Harrison Clark looked about him and decided that he liked this bit of the world. He would settle here. This he did in a manner peculiarly his own.

Armed with little more than his own superb effrontery and a blissful confidence in the capabilities of Harrison Clark, he summoned the local chiefs to a palaver. They came and squatted before him. They learned, somewhat to their astonishment, that from then on they had a new paramount chief, that he would require so much tribute from each of them, that they would set to making roads through the bush, that he would give them his protection.

They wagged their woolly heads but made no demur and accepted Harrison Clark, this strange and lordly white man, as an act of God. 'King' Clark ruled his people benignly. To those who had little he gave gifts, which cost him nothing, since he had 'taxed' them out of others. They gave him a name and a title. They called him Changa Changa - or 'The Generous One'.

This Arcadian existence might have gone on indefinitely, but there was in the territory a man of stronger personality even than Harrison Clark. One day there came stalking into Clark's 'kingdom' another white man. His name was John Stephenson, but to the Africans he was Chirapula, 'He Who ' Strikes'. He was, or had been, in the service of Government and with only one companion at his back he hoisted the Union Jack at Harrison Clark's kraal. If Clark had had Chirapula seized and hanged to the nearest tree, he would probably have got away with it. But in the presence of Stephenson he stood before a stronger man. Changa Changa was deposed, his reign was at an end.

The fortunes of Harrison Clark deteriorated. In 1928 he came humbly to Broken Hill and, together with a friend Blake Jolly, sought permission to open an African beer-hall on the property. This was granted.

Clark was never officially employed by the mine but for many years he earned a fee from the company as a pacifier-by-special-appointment. Whenever faction fights broke out in the African compound Clark was hastily sent for. He had only to walk in, say a few words to the raging Natives and the trouble died down at once. For, if those of his own colour had forgotten, they remembered what he had been. And when he died the bush-telegraph relayed the news from village to village so that men dropped what they were doing and started then and there for Broken Hill. They came in tens and scores and hundreds of miles that they might pay their last respects to this man who in his dying had made no history but whom they still recalled as having been a king. Changa Changa, 'The Generous One'

This story - and many others - of the early days at Broken Hill was told me by another old-timer Carl Wienand. Sitting on the stoep of his farm just outside Broken Hill I marvelled at the card-index memory of this man who is not far short of eighty.

It was hot as we sat talking. The reeds fringing the dam not a hundred yards away danced in the heat-haze, while from the top of a nearby tree a big fish-eagle watched the water with the unblinking patience of his kind.

Wienand himself is a part of the early story of Northern Rhodesia and Broken Hill.

His grandfather, Christian Wienand, came out to South Africa from Germany in 1806 and about 1820 founded the old Grahamstown Grammar School. Carl himself was left an orphan at the age of thirteen and a bit, and in 1892 went to work on the alluvial diggings at Moodie's Creek. From there he moved on to the Selati Goldfields, in what is now the Kruger National Park, when that section of the country was particularly rip-roaring and wide open with the miners shooting professional gamblers and the like all over the horizon.

Four years before the turn of the century young Carl Wienand went up into Southern Rhodesia with the coaching service run by Doel Zeederberg and later transferred to the British South Africa transport department.

In 1899 Wienand was picked, together with forty-one other experienced hands, by Cecil Rhodes to get the British South African Police through to establish the post at Monze. This they successfully achieved, despite an impi of 20,000 Matabele warriors hanging upon their flank, and thereby took over what later was to be known as Northern Rhodesia. Thus it was that less than seven hundred men 'conquered' that enormous territory. It is something to have been a part of such a story.

In 1916 Wienand was sent by H.U. Moffat to the Bwana Mkubwa mine as Native compound manager, and in 1920 he went to Broken Hill and served there for twenty-eight years.

As we sat chatting that flaming hot afternoon Carl Wienand made a remark, which certainly bears telling. He said: 'I would like to go on record, for what my opinion's worth, in saying that if it hadn't been for Sir Ernest Oppenheimer's foresight and guts, and the backing of Anglo American, Northern Rhodesia would've been broke.'

From yet another old-timer, Mr. Cowper, who now lives in retirement at Broken Hill, I heard further stories of the early days there.

A. M. Bentley, he said could fire a man so charmingly and gently 'that the bloke almost felt he was doing him a favour'. But there was an exception to this.

During a period of depression when the fortunes of the company were at their lowest ebb, Bentley had the invidious task of laying off the entire staff. In addition to what was owing to them, however, each man received his railway fare to wherever he had come from. Now there was one character at Broken Hill who had arrived there completely destitute. He had walked from South Africa sleeping where he dropped and scrounging meals from railway gangers and the like. When he came up for his pay there was no provision for any railway fare. He asked why this should be so and A. M. Bentley pointed out that he had not disbursed any money in getting to Broken Hill, as he had walked. The fellow stared at the floor and thought this one out. Then he looked up and fixed Bentley with a hard-boiled eye. 'Fair do's', he agreed. 'Then give me a pair of b ..... boots!'
And a pair of boots he got.

And this is where we came in. For I intend to end these reminiscences of the Broken Hill part of the world with the completion of a story which began at the start of this article.

In 1896 a certain Doctor Bloomfield appeared from nowhere in Northern Rhodesia. Here, without any medical qualifications or even certificates (as far as may be ascertained), he proceeded to practice medicine among the Africans. Evidently what this doctor ordered was to the taste of the local inhabitants for he flourished exceedingly. Moreover, he became something of a patriarch and died full of years and honour among his black patients. And for many years only Carl Wienand and a very few others knew that 'Doctor Bloomfield' had, many years before, answered to another name. He was, in fact, none other than Harrison dark's sometime companion Spencer, who had faded into the bush during the Matabele rebellion.


Article extracted from the Rhokana Review - March 1957






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 21:03:59 (UTC)


Elias G

Hey chum - U had better confirm back to me that U R attending the Banbury Bas as there is a gent from Lusaka/Choma initials A.C. not far from U in Scotland who is comming and wants to car share with U. No excuses this time chum - NOT like Wallasey.

Lynn Stzyfel

As an Ex-Lusakaan I trust U R planning to attend banbury Bash. There will be a reasonable turnout of people from Lusaka and a particular gent who U worked with is comming & wants to see a friend from Zam that he worked with!

We still need a diverse contingent from other Copperbelt towns other than Kitwe to attend Banbury Bash. Muf folks appear to be starting to build up in numbers. What about Livingstone folks too.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 20:24:07 (UTC)


Ada Cantral(l)
Ada, do you know how the Wienand family came to Lusaka? There were two brothers (or were they cousins). Earnest who farmed at Makeni and Chris who also farmed where the new airport is West of Lusaka. Now there was another Wienand family as well. Mike was about my age as we were in the same class at school and Archie Cassels reminded me that he worked at Duly Motors.
How do they all tie in? Are they connected to the photo that Arthur posted recently.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 17:43:11 (UTC)


Ada Cantrell,
Tony's not on email. If you want, I can send you his landline 'phone number (I don't want to infringe his privacy, as this site is read by Nigerian scam artists). I remember meeting your father-in-law when I was a youngster, but I can't recall meeting your husband. I'll most certainly tell Tony his cousin sends her regards. My parents have fond memories of Carl and Sonny, but they can't recall the other Wienand brothers. Tony showed me a most amazing photo album of when your grandfather and grandmother trek to Northern Rhodesia - and all the species of game they shot along the way - including one of his/your 'ouma' sitting on the carcase of a hippo. Real pioneering stuff.
Regards





Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 17:19:14 (UTC)



I got this little poem from my grand children on Fathers Day Like to share it with you.Johnny.

Grandads are for choclate
They let you stay up late
Fill you up with fizzy drinks
And E numbers by the crate
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They give you pocket money
When its time to go
Grandads are a second chance
When parents have said no
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They tell you brilliant stories
Of when mum and dad were small
And you find out the real truth
They weren't so good at all
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There father christmas all year round
They never ever bug you
With massive hearts and open arms
Just waiting there to hug you.

I think they have me wieghed up.








john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 17:08:07 (UTC)


Gary (with 1 R)
What the L R U complaining about?!!!! I only put an extra R in to make you look bigger!!!!
Lots of LOVE

Ada CANTRELL (née WIENAND, formerly n/a)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 16:52:15 (UTC)


Ada & Chris Cantrell (note double L)

Nice to see U posting again. Sincerely hope U will be able to attend Banbury Bash but would understand if other comittments keep U away. Hope not though - we had such good fun together in Bath. Ada - apologies for missing an L of your surname must be old age on my part. However noted U added extra R to Gary! Hee hee.

Jacqui Milward

Confirm receipt of your cheque for Bash Braai payment. Thank you and look forward to seeing U again in Sept.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 15:43:00 (UTC)


Arthur
It was great seeing a photo of my family on the message board. I had never seen this picture. Leslie in the picture was my late brother. Aubrey, Carl and Sonny were my Father's brothers. It brought back some wonderful memories. Thank you. Aubrey and Jan are both still well and live in Zululand. We saw them in 1996. My brother Bob has just been on a visit to them.

Charles Cartmill
You say that you are in contact with Tony Wienand - when you next speak to him tell him that his cousin Ada sends her regards. Is he contactable on line? I have not seen him for maningi years. I would love to contact him.

Garry
Why the 'l' do you leave a 'l' off our name - do you shorten everything - just like yourself!!! (and me of course!!!!) We are still thinking about coming to the bash but you know what it is like - we are at a funny age so Don't rush us!!!!

Hello Fiona
How are you and Graham keeping? Chris and I are seriously thinking about the Banbury Bash but as yet don't know what our plans are. Will let you know as soon as we know. It would be great to see you both again.



Ada CANTRELL (née WIENAND, formerly n/a)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 14:18:17 (UTC)


Peeps
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Am sorry to say that I will be unable to attend the Bash in Oxfordshire. A good friend of mine, Karen, is getting married on the 21st and if she hadn't phoned me up today to arrange the proposed "Hennie" in Amsterdam, moi could have come to some serious grief as I was convinced the wedding was on the 26th. Am actually helping her parents out at the moment - they own a fish house in Aberdeen. Strange that, have just dropped my sister off at the airport for her "fishing trip" off the coast of Mauritania - don't think I'd offer for that job though as the boat holds 4,000T of fish when loaded to full capacity. Stick with the vacuum packing this side!! Must be because we are both Aquarians, the sign of the water carrier, didn't realise it had something to do with what is carried in water eeek and I'm on the cusp with Pisces.

Paudie
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Thanks for your e-mail - quite right - it would be great to have a big contingent of Mufies going so am sending you e-mail addresses. COME ON EVERYBODY. If I can't be there at least will have photos of all of you to look forward to.

TTFN
Gill



Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 11:05:47 (UTC)


Arthur
Craig and I had a meeting this morning to decide just exactly what we are going to do about all our retired executives when they become Worn out, Archaic, Nauseating, Kafkaesque Effete Redundants (WANKERS for short) and we have decided to form a special association which will be called the Great NORth Road Haggard Old Executives Association (GONORRHOEA is the acronym).

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 15:00:55 (UTC)


Paudie Coughlan

Confirm receipt of your cheque for your party of 4 to banbury Bash. Thank you. I look forward to meeting U again soon.

Other Bash attendees - all conrtibutions would be greatly appreciated so as I can start talking with and placing advance orders on suppliers for the Bash! Thank you.

Fiona, Des, Moira, Moo Moo, Glenda, Art, Heather, Pappy, Shirley, Ian & Lorraine and too many others to mention - greatful thanks for all your support over the last couple of weeks and being there to listen. I owe many of U an eternal debt of gratitude. We will ride this storm out and win.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 08:22:53 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

June 25th, 2002:
  • Updated all of the scripts associated with the Names Directory to attempt to thwart the circumventing of checks imposed on messages sent to members. Without locking down the Directory to outside access completely, this is about the best I can do to attempt to persuade spammers (specifically the moronic perpetrators of the Nigerian 419 scams) that it's just not worth their while trying to use the GNR.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 08:10:45 (UTC)


Craig.
yes what a nerve...thank you for your continued fight against these pains in the whatsits...

Alix


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 06:11:39 (UTC)


Nigerians again

Although it's only a small consolation, it was only 15 messages, not 51.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 02:28:21 (UTC)


Bleeping Nigerian-Scam Spammers

It would seem that 51 lucky members were the recipients of Nigerian spams in the early afternoon (GMT) of Monday. To top it off, they found a way around my character limit for messages, so those lucky members received the whole spiel.

I am working on finding out how they did this so that I can strengthen the security and (for what it's worth) I have blocked the IP address that was used.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, June 25, 2002 at 00:28:51 (UTC)


Heather & Kevin
Terrific photos! Very high quality. Thanks.

Ian
The photo's of the Falls taken by Frank Watson on the site you recommended are astonishingly good especialy considering the technology of those days.

Glen
Nice to see a photo of you with Dave in LA. You're looking good, man.

Dave
Glad all is going well with your Mom.

I am building up quite a collection of photos from the GNR some of them of excellent quality. Thanks to you all!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 20:37:08 (UTC)


Arthur - David Cooper, here in California visiting his parents, enjoyed a couple of cold beers with me (Glen Drake) at "Mother's" in Sunset Beach yesterday. Attached is .jpg which you may wish to post on GNR.

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Now and again in this 60 year journey (so far) I've undertaken through this experience called "life", I meet someone who truly has character and depth. David is such a person.

Also had the great pleasure of meeting his "down-to-earth" parents in Long Beach and we shared a good memories of the grand times spent in Nkana-Kitwe.




Glen

I and many other people who have had the privilege to meet Dawie face to face could not agree with you more. Thanks for sharing the photo.

Dawie

Hope your Ma is doing well. Keeping fingers crossed mate.

Arthur




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one of the curse of the farmer, was ticks, and dipping was a weekly task of great importance, here we are chasing our horses through a plunge dip! They were usually not to eager to go.


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the cows, waiting for milking at the dairy. we would have to get up at four am every day, to milk, so that the milk could be on the six am train, to be in lusaka before the heat of the day! This because the milk truck that came by to pick milk up so often had no refridgeration that by the time it got to lusaka it was carrying cottage cheese instead of milk!


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the diary was a mile or so from the house, so we did not have to live with the fies and smell it attracted, however, one night when i was sent to get milk, i was stalked by a lion, who luckily decided that a heifer was more tasty then me!

marion




Marion thanks for your agriculture pic's and the story behind them - as I live in England it would have been a long long time before I wanted a steak here. I will root out some Lusaka Show photos for you soon and post them up. I much prefer though to see the animals on a braai rather than on the hoof. The lion was wrong by the way.



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 19:40:43 (UTC)


Johnny Green

Johnny - U R welcome mate. I will pass on message to Calire at hotel that U wanna purchase a few drinks 4 her! Confirm receipt of your cheque for braai n beer as well - Thanks!

Regards - Gary

Brian Geyser

I know U R an exceptionally busy gent. When U have a spare moment please can U call me. Need to review how things progressing your end my friend!



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 18:59:36 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

I am in the USA in LA to see my ma and pa. All is well. Ma is doing great after her masectomy.

I met up with Glen Drake. Great fun in a local biker bar. I had no idea Glen was a cool dude: great Ducati collection and hot Buell bike too! Glen you're a dude!

Tonight I met up with the Venerable and Most Honourable Grand Don of the Great North Road, Mr. Robert Retamal, finally!

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 18:27:29 (UTC)


Code of Conduct
A few weeks ago I posted a message about the former president's son and got rather carried away defaming him. Not falsly though, because most of it was already in the public domain.
Anyway a few days later I received a polite E_mail from Craig pointing out the Code of Conduct and that he had tastefully edited my message. I then tried to get some sympathy from any of the female contibutors, with no luck. Not even Alix Key. Then I tried the men with the same result. All said "serves you right"
So I went off with my bruised ego to sulk in silence and by chance was speaking to my cousin, a barrister, who asked if the son was being sued or charged with anything. When I said yes, the court case was soon. The pompous git told me that there is something called "Sub Judice" which means nothing can be published until after a court case.

So Craig and Co. were quite correct and specially Heather who could have been in the direct line of fire.
Elias
PS.
In the meantime the president's son was found guilty, fined K3.5 million and 36 months imprisonment.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 17:07:19 (UTC)


Hi All

The First Photographs of VICTORIA FALLS taken by Frank "Zambezi" Watson compiled by Raymond Justin Hoole.

http://www.hoole.easynet.co.uk/

Well worth a look.

Regards Ian


Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 15:19:47 (UTC)


Arthur - Thanks for keeping 'the faith'.

Heather - Well done!

Alix - Your offer of Flame Lilly tubers is very generous but I'm not a gardener and I'd kill them! Appreciate the offer though.

Linda - Sounds like you and Tina will have fun. Say hello to her for me please and thanks for the invite.

Janie, Lesley and Mark Dalton - Are you coming to the Bash?

All - Spare a thought for the Zim farmers today...


Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 14:54:11 (UTC)


Heather

A brilliant first time job with HTML and the photo posting - you are such a fast learner !

It seems strange opening images on the MB which I have not seen before and is a pleasant experience. Just remember not to squeeze too hard or overcook, which I know will be difficult for you to do. Hope to see many more photos in the months to come and not too much begging to Craig.

Please pass my thanks to Kevin Shone for the brilliant photographs and seeing he CAN work a camera perhaps he should have one of his own, I will leave it to you to get the whip out.

I have received this morning my GNR pension book and will now be joining Dawie on the old doddering gits bench, from where in future I can throw in the odd grumpy or sarcastic comment now and again, and maybe, if I'm having a good hair day, a compliment or two.

Heather, thanks for everything you do for us on the GNR



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 11:24:31 (UTC)


Gill
Jill Aplin is on holiday in Zims and should be back in a week or so.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, June 24, 2002 at 03:41:31 (UTC)


Linda Hayes (nee Dore)

No! No news from Blackie Hall advising he is planning to attend Bash. U had better try harder to get him here.

Johnny Green & Harem

U had better wear skimpy pyjamas at the Fri nite party here in Banbury. I suppose I might just "force" myself to attend. Zam style in short jim jams without the top! U ladies decide what U ain't gonna wear.

Correction!!!!!

Mr Paudie Coughlan is NOT from the UK but Ireland or is it Eire! Apologies Paudie. This is gonna be a truly INTERNATIONAL reunion in Sept with folks comming in from the old country Zambia; USA, Netherlands, Ireland, Australia, Saudi Arabia; Scotland (as has it's own parliment now) and possibly S Africa. We need a contingent from Spain (Arthur!!!!!!); Germany (Mark Bennett where R U?) and any others who care to make the epic flight to UK and onward journey to Banbury to join the partaaaay.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 22:10:38 (UTC)


JOHNNY

In order to attend the PJ party you have to be wearing a very sexy frilly negligee. If you think you can get past the hotel staff looking like that you will be very welcome to attend.

POSSIBLE PJ PARTY ATTENDEES

So far the PJ party attendees are Linda, Tina, Diane and Fiona and I hope Gill Main and Heather! Ladies, please post your names here if you would like to attend - if only to get Johnny worked up into a lather!

ARTHUR & CRAIG (you are coming aren't you Craig?)

You may attend in your stripy jammies (initially anyway)

GILL

Did you get my email this afternoon telling you my email address?

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 21:45:30 (UTC)



Linda I shall be in there with my camera wild horses will not keep me out, I will appear maybe as your room service waiter be cause I know that will be a great demand for alchohol from my observations of some of the ladies who shall remain nameless but attended the last bash, oh boy have I got some thing to look forward too, love Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 21:11:40 (UTC)



Kev and Heather Thanks for those great pictures I wish I had been there, but I used to like to see them through a little different sight than your camera especially that little porker as I am typing this I can smell him in my bush roasting pan, ah happy days. Regards Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 21:02:35 (UTC)


Alix
Bet you are so excited you cannot stand it! Email me before you go please. Is there a contact address for you while you are gone?

Sue
I think Tina is due back tomorrow. She and I are planning to get together when she returns. Wanna make it over here too?? We can show you Texas big time!!

Brasso
Have you heard from Barry (Blackie) Hall yet? I am trying to get him to come to the bash.

Gill Main
Any chance you can teach me a few steps of tap dancing before the bash? I am afraid I may let the side down if I have one too many... He! He!

Who is coming to the pajama party on the Friday night? Sorry guys, it is a "ladies" (and I use the term loosely) only event... That means you are restricted from entry, Bwana Grins!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 20:06:32 (UTC)


It appears some folks missed the hotel & Guest House listings I posted in May for Banbury Bash on Sept 21 so I am re-posting to assist those planning to attend:

BANBURY BASH ACCOMMODATION LISTINGS.

Below I have listed a selection hotels, B & B's and Guest Houses in the Banbury & Kings Sutton area.

1) Hotels:

Banbury House Hotel. 3 Star. 63 rooms. Tel 01295 259361 E. Mail: sales@banburyhouse.co.uk Room Rates: £ 43.50 - £ 97.00 p/person per nite.

PLEASE NOTE: I have reserved block booking of 15 rooms at weekend rate of £ 39.50 p/person per nite - 5 singles, 5 twin & 5 double rooms for next 2 weeks only so book early!!!!!!! NOTE: ALL SINGLE & DOUBLE ROOMS HAVE BEEN FULLY BOOKED NOW - AS OF 21 JUNE HOTEL HAS NOW ONLY 4 TWIN ROOMS AVAILABLE FOR BASH ATTENDEES. Quote Great North Road Reunion ref Mr Brassington when booking and ask for Claire.

The Lismore Hotel - Banbury. 2 star. 23 rooms. Tel: 01295 267661. E. Mail: lismorehotel@aol.com Room rates: £ 40 - £ 80 p/person per nite.

Whatley Hall Hotel - Banbury. 3 Star. 72 rooms. Tel: 0870 400 8104. E.Mail: sales.whatleyhall@heritage_hotels.co.uk Room Rates: £ 50 - £ 155 p/person per nite. 17th Century manor hall.

2) Farmhouse B & B's:

College Farmhouse - Kings Sutton Village (venue of GNR Reunion). 4 Diamonds rated. 6 rooms all ensuite. Tel: 01295 811473. E.Mail: seallday@cs.com. Web site: www.banburytown.co.uk/accom/collegefarm. Room Rates: £ 36 - £ 60. Period farmhouse on edge of village set in own secluded grounds.

3) Guesthouses & B & B's in Banbury town.

Amberley Guest House. 2 diamonds rated. 10 rooms. Tel: 01295 255797 Room rates: £ 21 - £ 46. Traditional B & B.

Ark Guest House. Not rated - awaiting inspection. 7 rooms (most ensuite). Tel: 01295 254498. Rates: £ 30 - £ 50. Recently refurbished & extended townhouse.

Ashlea Guest House. 2 Diamonds rated. 12 rooms. Tel: 01295 250539. Rates: £ 23 - £ 62. Traditional style B & B.

Avonlea Guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 7 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 267837. Rates: £ 35 - £ 55. Traditional family run B & B.

Banbury Cross B & B. 4 Diamond rated (recommended). 2 min walk from town center. 7 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 266048. Rates: £ 25 - £ 55. Family room: P.O.A. Non smoking establishment. 400 yards from famous Banbury Cross.

Calthorpe Lodge Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 6 rooms. Tel: 01295 252325. Rates: £ 28 - £ 75. 5 min walk to Banbury Cross (Town centre).

Cotefields guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 6 rooms. On edge of town towards Kings Sutton. Rural outlook. Tel: 01295 264977. E.Mail: tony.stockford@IC24.net Rates: 16 - £ 40.

Fairlawns Guest House ( Recommended - very comfortable). 3 Diamond rated. 18 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 262461. Rates: £ 39 - £ 55. 6 chalet style rooms attached to Edwardian family run home.

Fernleigh Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 11 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 250853. E. Mail: a.cumberlidge@btinternet.com. rates: £ 28 - £ 75. Excellent service, food, good value. Non smoking.

Prospect Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 14 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 268749. Rates: £ 34 - £ 50. 8 min walk to Banbury Town Centre.

Treetops Guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 6 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 254444. E.Mail: pennybrain@hotmail.com. Rates: £ 22.50 - £ 65.


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 18:59:47 (UTC)


Alright, alright - next time I'll leave a gap between the links

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 17:37:53 (UTC)


Northerners

Before I start, let me explain that this is my first solo attempt at putting images on the board. I have done it once before, but had Arthur holding my hand and checking that I got it right. As I fully anticipate that I shall do something wrong, I apologise in advance and will immediately begin begging Craig to sort it out.

The photos - Kevin Shone spent the weekend in the Luangwa Game Park and very kindly agreed to lug my camera around and take some photos. Here they are:

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Kev - Thanks

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 17:23:35 (UTC)


FiFi

Where is you doll?? I typed out a long message last night only to be met with "nada, nix, nine, sod off and go back to base". Was most upset as it took me hours to compose with only two brain cells working and they weren't playing the game, ie.,in tandem. Now am fully awake and sober and the three of them are giving me hell - guess the juggling act in the circus is out!

Jilly Aplin
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Where are you? Loved the travelling kitty story - more please. Was howling with laugher.

Johnny (Darling!!)
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My weight in print - too old for the circus, see para above - but I can pack a mean left hook, was going to say watch out Tyson but alas........ could still bite an ear off if my teeth would let me. Grrrrrrr

Am enjoying the Portugese stories - am sure I covered it in history at school. Will have to get Les's ( my sister's) cloggie partner going - one placed they missed!!

TTFN
Gill


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 10:42:32 (UTC)


Hi All
Marion...

I will have lots of oportunities while I am in NZ to take photos of modern day Ruminators...and Sheep......and sheep....and..only 5 days to go....

Sue Forde
I haven't heard from Tina , but no doubt she is having a wonderful time.....looking forward hearing about her travels....

Gary
Sounds like you are really working hard at this Bash of yours..hope you have a lot of fun....and it is a great success..again I wish , I wish......



Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 05:08:09 (UTC)


Maeve Byrne
Great to see you're coming to the Bash! Now you can start working on you-know-who as well!

Has anyone heard from Tina?

Brasso
Thanks for the list AND all your hard work and enthusiasm. It's gonna be a good one!



Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 04:25:17 (UTC)


One of a series of monthly articles on Northern Rhodesian tribes, their customs, habits and superstitions has been rewritten with permission of Broadcast officials for Rhokana Review, from the script of a series of talks to Africans broadcast by the Central African Broadcasting Station (Lusaka)

The Lovale Tribes

WHILE the large majority of Africans living in Southern and Central Africa are classified by the generic term 'Bantu', there are tribes whose characteristics are most definitely 'Negroid' indicating that their ancestral homes are to the West of Africa rather than the North and East from whence stem the true Bantu tribes.>

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Among these 'exceptions' are the Lovale tribes who are settled in the North-West of the Territory in the Mwinilungu, Balovale and Kabompo districts. The Lovale tribes are, in fact, four separate tribes each having distinctive features which set them apart from each other and yet the characteristics which distinguish them from Bantu tribes are common to the four tribes - the Lunda, Lovale, Luchazi and Chokwe tribes.

These tribes all have a tradition that they came from the North-West of Northern Rhodesia, from that Territory which lies in the South-West Congo, and from Angola. The Chokwe tribe are, in fact, found right up to the Congo Border.

In their ancestral homes the tribes lived in different environments-the Lunda in hilly, well-wooded regions and the Lovale in open country and on the river flood plains. In Northern Rhodesia, however, being comparative newcomers, they tend to live together in the same type of country.

Most other tribes in Northern Rhodesia find the languages of the Balovale tribes difficult to understand-each tribe has its own language and they tend to use Balovale as a common language when in contact with other tribes because, of the four, this is the easiest language to follow.

It is interesting to note that the Balovale people make greater use of tone to distinguish the meaning of words than is the case in other languages of Northern Rhodesia tribes. This peculiarity is distinctive of West African (Negroid) tribes.

Characteristics common to Balovale people include the practice of circumcision one not indulged in by other Northern Rhodesian tribes. To perform this operation certain rites must be observed, and it is an occasion for dance masks (Makishi), and dancing and singing. With other rites different masks are used.

The makishi masks do not resemble masks found in South or East Africa, but are remarkably similar to those used throughout the Western Congo and West Africa. Originally the masks were effectively used to frighten the women, for the men-who of course knew the secret-used to tell their women-folk at the ceremonies that they were going to resurrect a spirit. Then would appear a masked figure.

But true to Lincoln's saying, while they managed to fool most of the women most of the time, they could not fool all of the women all of the time. It is not recorded what the women had to say when they discovered the deception which had been practised for so long, but today they certainly join in the fun, knowing full well that a mortal is in the costume and behind the mask.

Like other African people the Lovale believe in a supreme being (God), but the names they give to this omnipotent being are not the same as those in the rest of the Territory. They are, however, also used in Angola, in the Western Congo and the Cameroon.

Unlike most African tribes, the Lovale's story contains little indication that they embarked on full scale 'wars' with neighbouring tribes. This can probably be accounted for by the fact that before 1500 they had come into contact with and were influenced by the Portuguese, who had established settlements at the mouth of the Congo River.

From Portuguese historical records it is established that a Portuguese traveller reached the capital of chief Kakemge, of the Lovale people, before 1800 and found the chief living in the same area as is now occupied by these people, on the border of the Balovale district.


Extracted from the Rhokana Review - July 1955



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 22:35:44 (UTC)


Attention Robert Retamal!

Dave Cooper is in Long Beach and has forgotten to bring your phone number. Please ring him at +1-562-425-9637 as soon as possible.



Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 19:51:02 (UTC)


BANBURY BASH ATTENDEE LIST - AS OF SAT 22 JUNE 2002!

A few charmingly delectable ladies have been asking me to post a list of attendees comming to the Bigger Brasso Banbury Braai Bash on 212 Sept so here is list of people so far:

Pat & Barrie Braidford; Fiona Gayther; Dianne Sewley; Des Kenny (Crouch); Liz Downing; Betty, David & Lesley Mahady;
Neil Smith; Maje Leroux; Pierre & Shirley Papier; Johnny Green (no party would be same without him!); Arthur Stevens; Dave Cooper (Amsterdam); Jacqui Milward; Adrian Mooy; Alan & Theresa Brassington (newleyweds); Ron Brassington; Laura Jamie & Jane Brassington; Gary, Natasha & Scott Brassington; Philip & Allyson (nee Brassington)Waud; Ian, Lorraine, Sean, Craig & Jamie Forbes; Graham & Fiona Wall (Saudi Arabia); Linda (Hayes) Dore (USA); Tina McGee (USA); Hartley & Sue Heaton; David & Gill Heaton; Roger & Maggie Eveleigh; Glenda Fenwick; Moira Fenwick; Gill Main; Maeve Byrne (nee Hall-Thompson); Paudie Coughlan, Sue Forde (Australia); Eamon Coughlan; Sarah Toweler; Steve Clarkson, Ross Thomas (Australia) - Ross was an expat Oz on 5 year contract working in Chingola at Nchanga open pit. He is an explosives expert! This according to my calculations makes 50 attending so far!

Possibles yet to confirm:

Brian Geyser & Members of "The Crusaiders"! The elusive Elias Geogoppppol (damm I give up!); Lynda Kenny; Graham & Debbie (Scarscalp); hopefully Ada & Chris Cantrel and I am persuing many more! Come on folks - we need more people from Lusaka, Livingstone and other Copperbelt towns now.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 19:17:36 (UTC)


Peter Dielissen

Peter thanks for your e. mail. Sorry U will not be able to attend the Banbury bash BUT very best of luck with your new job. Pitty U start work on the Bash weekend huh!

Betty Mahady

Confirm receipt of your cheque for your husband, yourself & your daughter - thank you. I look forward to meeting you all and being your host on the Bash evening/weekend.

Bash Hotel Accommodation - The Banbury House Hotel.

I called into hotel on way to town shopping today and the hotel still have 4 twin rooms available at the reduced per person rate as previously published - i.e. £ 39.50 per person per nite incl. English breakfast.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 18:48:40 (UTC)


Makishi Dancers

I have just had a chance to take a look at the photos which Arthur posted yesterday. In the photos from Ken Miller were some of Makishi dancers. On Monday, I was discussing future articles with Clive Kawana, who writes for The Lowdown from time to time, and one of the articles which we agreed should be done was about the Makishi. Here is the basic information on the Makishi, but I'm afraid you'll have to read the September issue of The Lowdown to get the rest.

The makishi are representatives of the spirits and their dances represent the history of the Luvale people. They perform at Likumbi lya Mize which is held in September, at the start of the planting season. Mize is a place on the Zambezi plain where the Luvale chief, Ndungu, has his palace.

On the day of Likumbi lya Mize, the subordinate Luvale chiefs await the arrival of Ndungu at an arena near the royal palace. Around this arena, Luvale artefacts are on show to remind the people of their heritage. Baskets, knives and other crafts are on exhibit, but the most important one is of the kutengo, which is a working model of an ancient iron smelter where the art of making hoes and arrowheads is demonstrated.

As the people wait for the Chief, the makishi dancers arrive, wearing their masks and costumes woven from differed coloured fibres. Some of these costumes represent animals, such as a tortoise with a basketwork shell. And some dance on stilts as much as 10 feet high.

Eventually, the Ndungu is carried into the arena in a royal hammock and sits on his throne. The throne is guarded by statues of lions and the Ndungu is dressed in ceremonial robes and wearing his crown. The people crowd forward to catch a glimpse of him, as he lives in seclusion in the palace. One of his headmen then performs the royal dance, kutopoka. The festival ends with a bard chanting the history of the royal family.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 18:08:13 (UTC)



Dear Marion when you have your fun on the farm do you still shout BALKA and all jump up and hang from the beams in the barn while some one sprinkles water to keep the dust down?. love Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 17:20:27 (UTC)


Charlie
Good to see you back and hope you had a good time. I shall ask Charles about the Reunion, but he'll have to ask his wife first. Ooops, I'd better watch what I say because I know he reads this board sometimes and he's bigger than me. But you still haven't told me what Bundu's first name is.

And now that you've had your break and recharged your batteries, get started with that Reunion and let me know the date just as soon as you have decided

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 14:33:31 (UTC)


Wayne Milward and Paul Pepperell….
What a pleasant surprise! I’d just spent the past week in the veldt doing all those “boy things” chasin’ fin, feather and fur, and decided I needed a late sleep-in this morning to charge the old batteries. That was not to be. I received a call from Beth Lloyd, who’s on a visit to Cape Town, and within the half-hour she was at my home. Beth, it was great seeing you again and Tess and I will do our best to be at your 50th in Johannesburg.
Heather…
The world has shrunk a little more. Your brother, Charles, and my B-in-L, Bundu, matriculated the same year from Grey College in Bloemfontein. Bundu wants to know if Charles is planning to attend their 30 yr class reunion - next year in Bloemfontein. Bundu went to the 25th reunion where he meet Charles’s school buddy – McIntyre or McKenzie? – Now living in Durban?
Patrick Barron will be opening his new pub ‘Scrumpie Jack’s’ on Friday 28 June, so we’ll have to start working on our GNR re-union. I’ve just spoken to my sister (‘Bertie’), who’s camping in Botswana, and she says she’ll try her best to join us. My eldest sister, Rowena, lives in Cape Town – so I’ll have little difficulty in persuading her to join us
Arthur and Elias…
Great to see that photograph of the Wienand family from Broken Hill. When my father and mother moved to BH, before I was born, Haigh and Sonny Wienand were amongst their first friends. When I lived in Somerset West, and whenever my father visited me, we’d pop over to the Strand and call on Sonny. I don’t know where Sonny’s daughters (Irene and Audrey – Stilbaai?) are, but I keep in ‘annual’ contact with his son, Tony, who’s retired in Somerset West. I must try and persuade Tony and Linda to join us at “Scrumpie Jack’s”. These days Tony’s an avid ‘twitcher’ and one of his many bird-watching colleagues is Jill Lyons, who grew up across the road from Tony in Broken Hill. Tony’s an ex-Falcon boy.
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 13:24:50 (UTC)


Hello arthur,

we were farmers, and if you really want photos of cows, not the sweet kind, i can provide photos of not only those, at our dairy, but horses too!

i assure you , we farmer types know how to have fun just so much as you mining types ;0)




Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 11:52:33 (UTC)


G'day Craig
Thank you for your fast and most efficient service... as Popeye says "I yam who I yam!"

Brian Geyser
My brother Dennis Forde said to say 'G'day' (and other stuff that his just-a-splash-of burbon and coke obliterated last night...)

Arty-Arthur
You cracked the code but kept the secret... Ta.

Tina
If you read this - are you Ted and Chris having fun?

Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 00:38:19 (UTC)


Steve Clarkson

Thanks for your e. mail confirming your attendance at Brasso's Bigger Banbury Bash - we look forward to seeing U. See folks my list of non-attendees resident in UK is slowly being erroded away.

Peter Deliessien? I have been given the task of persuading U to attend Banbury Bash on 21 Sept! Be warned I am a persistant little guy - ask anone who has attended previous UK Bashes!!!!

Paudie Coughlan

Where R the rest of the members of the band "Paper Lace" that U used to play in? I know Pete Trollip is in SA but R others in UK? Ummmmmmmmm maybe U could do a "gig" with Brain Geyser and the members of "The Crusaiders" if & when they put in a guest appearance at the Banbury Bash.

Old pictures & memorabilia required!

I am planning to put on a display of old pictures, stamps etc as part of the hall decorations at the Banbury Bash. Bit like an exhibition. If anyone wants or has any interseting bits I can display please e. mail to me with a description or names of people & locations of the item U R sending. So far I have about 150 differing items from old CAA pictures to Federation items. Some interseting old press artilcles of adverts would be nice too!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 22:32:05 (UTC)


Art Babe

Thank goodness I don't carry this burden alone!

No, prison is out I'm pleased to say and so is coventry; I'm afraid it's a small matter of finances at present what with a car service followed by car insurance looming and I have to re-stock my emergency fund! Real bad timing I know and I'm stuck with it. So you will have to do the tango without me!

Best regards
Kris xx

Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 14:33:27 (UTC)


Craig
If I've been begging recently (or at least in the last month), I also missed it.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 11:30:26 (UTC)



What my Guest Miss Main forgot to mention is it not only Elmo the cat that is going to lose weight my bathroom scales are ruined but they stuck on the last recording, so if my darling ever wants to check if she is losing I can always pop the figure on the GNR for her,Love Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 09:41:48 (UTC)


Moira,

I have fixed your entry so that it is no longer so revealing.

Arthur,

Has Heather been begging again? Did I miss something?

Peter,

Wow! Is that second ticket to Ireland still available if I get to NB?


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 08:25:12 (UTC)


Hi All:
I suspect a virus may be going through my address book. Just in case you get something from me regarding "cellpadding", do not open it. I have heard from one friend tonight who asked me if I sent an email about that, and I have not. I am investigating but just wanted to get the word out.

Thanks.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 03:14:34 (UTC)


Northerners !

Ian Singer

Brilliant work on the NR Journals - I know from personal experience how long these things take to put together - thanks for your hard work and endurance which has given us all the opportunity of sharing them with you. I have not had time to read all of Volume V, but I read the pages on Mining in Northern Rhodesia and found them extremely interesting - I will be going back reading the other pages as soon as I can, maybe even some of the stuff on farming.

I found some photos to compliment your article in a batch of 1957 Rhokana Reviews taken when Sir Ernest Oppenheimer opened the Bancroft Copper Mines. The photos also show some of the other bigwigs in attendance that day.

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Here's another famous face who's obituary appeared in a 1957 Rhokana Review

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Talking of farming I also have some shots of some cows (not sweet ones) at Mazabuka, someone a while back was bemoaning the fact that agriculture played as important part as mining in Northern Rhodesia, but depite a challenge, never came up with any proof or photos of farm animals. Next time I feel like a steak I will post them up.


Some more bit and pieces for the people of my hometown - all taken from various 1957 Rhokana Reviews

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Some faces and teams

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In the last photo above is Des Kenny's dad, Bill Crouch.



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Above is a photo of the family Weinand, Carl Weinand was part of the early story of Northern Rhodesia and Broken Hill and there is an article in the magazine - "An Old-Timer Remembers" - Elias was this the family you mentioned a while ago? If anyone is interested I will post up the story - it is interesting!

Brasso

U-hooo! Good work on the UK non-attenders list, but now seeing that these bashes attract a worldwide attendance you have a little more to do yet.

Next is your full international mailshot. Fiona has been volunteered to do the typing for you. I see you have been partially successful, even pert little Sue Forde is putting in an appearance - by the way, she told me that this was a top secret and no-one was to know. (Not sure if she was referring to her pertness or attendance)

I will give you a five star marking and promotion to if you manage to get Charlie Cartmill to the bash along with a few crates of his best wine and biltong. This will double the Broken Hill contingency to two, which was nearly the whole town in the good old days.

And all these musos you have invited - can the Irish ones play more the just Danny Boy?


Peter Dielissen

You have no excuse now - I put U on Brassos attendee's list.

I will ask Brasso to get Kylie Minogues single "Lucky Lucky Lucky" played especially for U. Yuk.


Sweetie Fivecows

Craig noticed your posting but he will pretend he never saw it - you need to do a lot lot more begging than that - ask Heather. Has the cat got your sisters tongue as well? Glenda where are you?

Linda

Brasso has arranged the white horse.

Bring the Ponds Cream to Banbury - it can go in the putu - that will make them scramble first thing next morning. Hundreds of pounds will be lost.

Gill

Keep your chin up

Kris

Are you going to prison in September?


Arthur




Rhodes-Livingstone Museum Craft Village .......

A popular tourist attraction in the 1960's in Livingsone was the Craft Village, where one could see exhibits of traditional craft products, listen to tribal music and see tribal dancing.

The major tribes of Northern Rhodesia were represented, the Bemba, Lunda and Luvale, Barotse or known also as Lozi, Ila-Tonga and Nyanja made up the village.

The following pictures were taken in 1963.

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Ken Miller




Hi Arthur,

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This is picture of my Alice her attended her first ball last week, I was wondering if you could please post it, as I am so proud of her, she has grown up in to a very lovely young lady...

thanks

Alix






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Friday, June 21, 2002 at 01:05:09 (UTC)


Hi Gary and All
It seems a correction is necessary - I was referring to (Pert Australia) in your message - but knew you meant PERTH Australia. Apologies everyone. My idea of a joke!


Sue Forde (née Forde, formerly McCallum)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 23:57:56 (UTC)


A NEW TWIST ......

Ooops !!!! I just got the Dickens for my spiel on Quassa Modo, I refered to David Copperfield, it should have, of course been Oliver Twist.

I have been wrestling with this most of the day, and I am pleased to have provided you all with this correction.

Ken Miller

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 23:08:43 (UTC)


Dear Peeps
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Am now fully ensconsed back in the mobiley home in Aberdeen, to certain people might be considered as "white trash" but what the hell, your names and e-mail numbers are dutifully stashed so bsop!!! Expect a call from JS!!

Bwana Grins was a "mein" perfect host - apart from whipping me into submission when there were shirts to be ironed, ice cubes to to be retrieved from the freezer, tasting figs that had been stewed in bacardi for seven years and creme- de-la-creme - tasting 35-year old ginger wine!!! God, I hate ironing!

As far as babies are concerned - Elmo the cat came with me and I honestly thought it would end up in a tug-of-war to get him back!! He succumbed but am sure adopted Dad Johnny is still waking at 0600 hrs shouting "Elmo, Elmo, come on baby, Elmo" - he is now going to loose weight. Wilma, et al, he really is the biggest softie and fell quite madly in love with the cat.

What can I say but adore you Bwana Grins.

Lots of Love
Gill


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 17:55:50 (UTC)


Hi Gary
Thanks for your message. Yes, I'm looking forward to catching up with you and all the ravers. I have to warn you though...
I am no longer 'pert'

Sue Forde (née Forde, formerly McCallum)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 14:38:33 (UTC)


For Gary Brassington

I am not able this time to attend the get-together in September.

Regards
Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 13:36:38 (UTC)


My thanks to the GNR as it worked once again to put me in touch with an old friend, Dave Weber, who I haven't seen since 1965. He's in Namibia after years of traveling Central and South Africa so he may have more friends who read this.
I was reminded of the arrival of his wife at that time in Ndola from the UK. He had preceded her and was established when she landed. The "any excuse for a party" clique gathered at the airport to give her a NR greeting.
She had been on the plane for a long time but this was of no concern to the group. We took off in convoy and with her husband in on it, we headed to the biggest and best hotel in Ndola. In actual fact we drove maybe 10 or so miles down a dirt road to a watering hole called the Bull and Bush, a thatch roofed, open to the elements where people would go to drink beer and burn meat. I'm
not sure how long we allowed this very poor joke to continue, but I do get an attack of the guilts now I've been reminded of the incident.
To the GNR my thanks again for the contact. Bob Summers

Bob SummersClick here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 01:52:56 (UTC)


BI-PSYCHO CAPERS .....

The frenzied crowd had left the Lusaka Showgrounds after witnessing the defeat of Fred Coates the home town hero at the hands of the ruthless, demonic and folicaly challenged Spaniard Quassa Modo that fateful September evening in 1962.

In a rancid sweat and cigar smoke filled back room, wrestlers who moments earlier had tried to pummel their opponents and throw each other out of the ring gathered around to share in a well deserved cold beer.

There were the usual array of hanger-ons, members of the press and city fathers that wanted to be seen with the champs and chumps of the sqare ring. As each wrestler's named was called out, he would go up to a table, where the keeper of the purse would hand them their night's hard earned pay.

Quassa Modo's name was called out and he approached the keeper of the purse. While he had a face only a mother could love, he certainly had no problems in counting his take, which on first blush appeared a little light.Having linguistic problems, not being able to speak English, Afrikaans, Bemba, or even Hindi, he had to resort to French, which was spoken by only one other, Tommy Miller.

Tommy consulted with Quassa, and confirmed that indeed his paypacket was a little short. Like David Copperfield, Quassa Modo went back and asked for more, and again he was told there was no more. Further consultations took place between Tommy and Quassa and a plot was devised.

The fearless Spaniard approached the keeper of the purse and once again asked for more, again he was told there was no more.Keeping with the plot devised with Tommy, he flew into an uncontrolable rage, kicking over chairs and picked up a bicycle that had been propped up against a wall and whirled it above his glistening head threatening the assembled masses. The locker room crowd bolted and fought each other as they tried to exit the room.

One more time, he approached the keeper of the purse, who was now white as a sheet and lo and behold extra cash was found and the Spaniared received his just rewards.

Adios amigos was said all around, and as Tommy drove the tyrant of the ring back to the Lusaka Hotel, he was handed a handsome commission for providing translation services.















Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 00:41:52 (UTC)


Paudie Coughlan

Thanks for your telephone call and mine back to U - we were on phone to each other for nearly 2 1/2 hours - U in Ireland & me in Banbury!!!!!!!!!!!! Hee hee BT gonna love me! Delighted that U (ex member of Paper Lace Band), Sue Forde (Pert Australia), your brother Eamon ("Coggs") and partner Sarah are attending the Brassington's Bloody Big Banbury Braai Bop Booze-up Bash as U call it - I like that!

Keep me informed on how U R getting on with accommodation please. I can't wait to see Sue Forde again after what must be nearly 27 plus years and similar for U! Cookie is well and will pass on your best wishes to him - sure he'll remember those KPF days! Amazing that we both lived in Banbury for so many years and yet our paths NEVER crossed.


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 23:40:04 (UTC)


Northeners...

This is my lucky week...

On Friday I won the fathers day contest in the local paper - Dinner for two worth $100

On Sunday I won $250 on a scratch and win ticket my son Michael gave me for Fathers Day...

Today I received a call from the National Post telling me I won an all expenses paid deluxe trip to Ireland for two...

So far with getting my new job, June has been a pretty good month!

Those Northern Rhodesian horse shoes are rattling good!!!



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 23:07:22 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Completed Northern Rhodesia Journal - Volume V - No. 4 - 1964 with: The Missionary Factor in the Occupation of Trans-Zambezia, Mining in Northern Rhodesia, Two African Co-potentates: Lewanika and Matauka, The First Copper Mines in Northern Rhodesia: Part II, 'Notes', Correspondence, Book Reviews, Lusaka Natural History Club.

That will be the last NRJournal posting for a little while as it completes the set of six that I already own - my thirteen new ones should arrive soon but I will be busy reading them!

Regards Ian



Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 21:50:28 (UTC)


Craig Honey

Ouch! Don't like the new 'nee' addition after my name, please be a love and delete, pretty pleeze. Especially as I was a Fenwick, and am still a Fenwick. You could put Five Cows or anything else you think of, well not quite!

Thanks in anticipation.

Moi Moo

Moira Fenwick (née Fenwick, formerly Mrs Hurst from 1989 to 1999 (divorced))Click here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 16:54:55 (UTC)


Howdy Campers

Long time no moo! Sorry guys been a bit distracted with things like change of job, and going off to new French pastures for 6 weeks as the UK ones are far too wet and cold! However, I’ve heard a vicious rumour that my dowry is in danger of being cut due to my lack of input into the GNR of late!!

So, I’m afraid I have to take up the only offer on the table at moment of six baguettes, thus reducing my input to the GNR from nothing at the moment, to even more than nothing for the next couple of months!

But, if I can the chance at some friendly internet café on the canals and rivers of Burgundy I’ll check in and say moo or bag! Well, not exactly on the canals and rivers, in a town situated on the canals and rivers! I am going to be on a boat doing a circular trip of 690km which involves negotiating approximately 340 locks! You guessed it muggings is in charge of locks!

Mrs Six Bags??? Hmmm, doesn’t sound as good as Mrs Five Cows, but hey a girl has to take what a girl can get.

Looking forward to catching up with loads of you guys at the next UK Banbury bash – I’ll bring the baguettes.

Mooo from Mrs Fivecows-Sixbags.





Moira Fenwick (née Fenwick, formerly Mrs Hurst from 1989 to 1999 (divorced))Click here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 16:49:30 (UTC)


Brasso
Offically got permission today from my boss for one week off work, so you will definitely see the whites of my eyes. Having failed dismally on the Ponds 7 Day Beauty Plan, I am now embarking on the Miracle 6 Week Body Hangover..oops, sorry.. Makeover. Believe it or not, a lady at my work has lost 100lbs, yes 100lbs, since January on it!! Amazing! Fearing I may let the side down, I have begun lifting an 8lb weight daily with my right arm so as not to drop a drink while there. Desperately hoping to get past the 3rd drink, or I am in big trouble...

I see you have posted a list of non-confirmers. Can you start one of non-conformers please, so I can guage if this is going to be a blast or not. He! He!

Fifi!!
Where were you when my dearly departed friend in red phoned you today.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 16:24:29 (UTC)


Linda Dore & Diane Sewley

Payments for Banbury Bash on Sept 21st received with greatful thanks. Looking forward to seeing U both!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 08:44:29 (UTC)


Hi all
Reading about the insidous, manmade creature....the land mine..reminded me of a inspiring book I have, called "One step beyond" by a Chris Moon, who survived a land mine blast while working in Mozambique for the HALO trust, an organisation that clears land mines....an incredible story of his near death after losing a leg and an arm..and his sheer will and determination to learn to walk and run....he now runs marathons to raise money for charities assisting the disabled....a truly wonderful story of courage...

Alix

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 08:42:23 (UTC)


Johnny Green
Are you suggesting that it is you that will make my knees tremble? I have yet to find any man who can do that to me.

Doug Grewar
I stone monument still remains, but it now has a plaque with the map of his journey. I shall post it for you shortly. I also have a lot of other information on Lacerda which is in the process of being written into a story and will be posted in due course. The problem is that I keep finding more information to add to it.

Ian Sutherland (ex Mazabuka and who was charged with treason for assisting the Rhodesians - read the book 'See You In November') was also involved in transport through the Tete Corridor. He told me once that he always used to travel at the very front of the convoy because the landmines were so poorly made that they didn't go off when the first vehicle went over - they needed a number of vehicles before they worked. I am not sure about the bridge at Tete, but I do know that the bridge at Sena has some very serious structural damage and can only carry trucks with a gross vehicle mass of 48 tonnes.

I spent a lot of time in Maputo from 1995 to 1998 - about a week every month - and was amazed each time I went there - there was always something new that had opened - a new shop or restaurant, another building which had been cleaned up, a road repaired. They certainly seemed to be going somewhere.

George Maxwell
The Portuguese in Mozambique were very involved in the Kingdom of Monomotapa in northern Zimbabwe - Antonio Fernandes carried out three reconnaissance journeys between 1511 and 1514 but he first entered the kingdom in 1511 at the foot of Mount Darwin. The Portuguese called it Monomotapa but the African name was Mwene Mutapa (and the ruler the Mutapa). The Portuguese interest was in the gold, ivory and ambergris.

Liz Downing
I know those aircraft - Czech - and I have done many flights to Ndola on them. And you are right about the rules. In March when I was in Petauke, I took a photograph of the Magistrate's Court and was stopped and questioned by someone from our Intelligence Services and the Deputy Distrcit Administrator, who tried to tell me it was illegal for me to take photos. I argued it out with them and finally they gave up hassling me. The next day, on my way back to Lusaka, I was filling up with fuel at Nyimba and the DDA drove in, also on his way to Lusaka. He greeted me as though I was his best friend who he hadn't seen for many years - rather a turnabout from the day before when he was ready to throw me inside. But as a non-Zambian, I would be vary wary of taking photos of anything which might be classed as strategic, which includes airports.

Ian Singer
I wanted to get up to Mbesuma Ranch when I was in the Northern Province in April, but the road was in bad shape, so I gave it a miss. I will however get up there at some stage - I am hoping for later this year. Mbesuma is also one of the stories which I am researching for the GNR and hopefully I will find some old photos in my travels.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 06:58:45 (UTC)


Banbury Bash non-confirmer list!!!!!!!!!

Brasso has been busy hunting the names directory. I have come up with a list of UK resident Ex N. Rhodies who do not live too far away from Banbury, Oxfordshire and whom we'd like to see (where possible) attend the bash on Sept 21st. You would all be made to feel most welcome N. Rhodesian style! Look forward to receiving your confirmations by return.

GEOFFREY ALCRAFT,Oxford, England; GEORGE ALLARD, Maidenhead, England; ANN ATKINSON (formerly Gregory)
Witney, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom; DAVID ATKISS
Nottingham, United Kingdom; IAN BEVERIDGE, Whitley, Wiltshire, United Kingdom; BRIDGET BILLANY (née Billany)
Oxfordshire, England; PENNY BIRTILL (née Charles, formerly Stroud; Milton Keynes, England, United Kingdom; KEVIN BISHOP
Bracknell, United Kingdom; GORDON CAIN, Crowthorne, Berkshire, United Kingdom; STEVE CLARKSON (née Clarkson)
Reading, England; JOHN CROWLE, Bucks., United Kingdom;
LESLEY DALTON, Wymondham, Norfolk, United Kingdom; BERKLEY DRISCOLL, Richmond, London; RODERICK EMANUEL, London, United Kingdom; GRAEME FERGUSON, Berkshire, United Kingdom;
JACK GALAUN, London, England; DONALD GREWAR, Newport, United Kingdom; KEN (Kenneth) HAMILTON, Plymouth, England; SUZANNE HARDING, London, England; HARTLEY HEATON, Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom; RICHARD MARK HILLIER, Southampton, England; GUY HOBBS, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom; LOUISE JENKINS (née Jenkins), Lincoln, England; DARRYL JENKINS, Weston Super Mare, N. Somerset, United Kingdom; HARSHAD KAMBLE, Milton Keynes, United Kingdom; BILLY LAING, Stevenage, United Kingdom; ELIZABETH LAWSON (née Robinson, formerly Eardley), England; JANIE LEDEBOER (née Dalton), United Kingdom; JOANNE LORRIMAN,
Leicester, United Kingdom; KRISTEN E. MMASSIE (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel), United Kingdom; GILLIAN McCLUSKEY (née Whitty), Dorking, Surrey, United Kingdom; PATRICK (Pat) MCENERY, Bromley, Kent, England; JACQUI MILWARD (née Lackenby), London, England; GRAHAM NELSON, Bath, United Kingdom; JIM & SHIRLEY NOBLE, Ashford, Kent, United Kingdom; COLM O'SHEA, Llantwit Major, Wales; PHILIPPZ OWENS (née MArtiz), Luton, United Kingdom; IAN PAGE, Worcester, United Kingdom; IAN PAGET, Gloucester, England; JAMES PARKER, Cricklade Wiltshire, United Kingdom; CAROL PARKES (née Thatcher),Romford, London, England; MIKE PATERSON, London, United Kingdom; MARK POWELL, Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom; DEBBIE RADFORD (née Crow), United Kingdom;
BILL RICHARDS, Essex, United Kingdom; PETER SUTCLIFFE,
Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom; BOB TRING, Wing. Beds, UK;
KAREN TROUT (née Cutler), Plymouth, United Kingdom; BARRY UNWIN, Surrey, United Kingdom; LESLIE VAN DEN BRINK (formerly Leslie R. van den Brink), Nottingham, United Kingdom; DAVID VERE, United Kingdom; CHERRYL WATSON, Berkshire, United Kingdom; KATHRYN MARY WATSON (née Dyer),
Wokingham, Berkshire, United Kingdom; AGNES WATSON (née Mcgovern), Grays, Essex, England; DOUGGIE WAYBUSH, London, England; DAVID WEBB, Ascot, Berkshire, United Kingdom;
DAVID WELLER, Tamworth, Midlands, United Kingdom; JACK WILD, Reading, England; ROB(in) WILSON, Cirencester, Glos., United Kingdom; BARRY WINTERBURN, Norfolk, United Kingdom;
CHRIS WINTON (née Burton), Crawley, West Sussex, United Kingdom; TONY (Anthony) WOOD, Bishops Stortford, Herts., United Kingdom; IAN WRAGG, Notts., United Kingdom;

Sorry folks for using up so much space on GNR Message Board!




Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 23:05:58 (UTC)


Hi All

I received the follwing from a lady in the States:
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I hereby write to you, regarding an article I came across on your Website. The title of the article is Thornton and Rumsey of Mbesuma Ranch by Capt R.W.M Langham M.C. I cried as I ready the article because for the first time in my life I was connected to a grandfather I only knew by his name. Richard Thornton was my grandfather, whom I did not know much about until three days ago when I read the article. You have given me a wonderful gift because now I can complete the missing dot to my family tree.

Do you know where I can find additional information about my grandfather Richard Thornton or if you know where I can obtain a picture of him?
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The article concerned is in Volume IV Number 4 of the Northern Rhodesia Journal (1960)

Roy Williams added some information includingthe following:
Richard Thornton's name was often mentioned by the "old timers" in the north. He was also well known among the African villagers who were quick to spot any European with special knowledge and strengths, which your grandfather certainly had in abundance. ....... I had met two other Thornton families there. One, our neighbors in Bulawayo in southern Rhodesia in 1948, and another farming family from way-back in a place called Kalomo in the southern part of Northern Rhodesia. I don’t know whether they had any connection.

It's a pretty long shot as Richard Thornton died of a wasting disease called sprue in 1938 but if anyone out there can add anything in the way of pictures or information I'd be delighted to pass it on.

Also, the article suggests that there was a move to erect a memorial to Rumsey and Thornton, possibly at the pontoon crossing at Mbesuma. Any info?

Regards Ian



Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 21:01:31 (UTC)


Portugese in Africa

As some of you know, I collect and deal in tribal art, this often leads me into interesting situations and to meet unusual people. I am sometimes offered items which are very unusual (and sometimes horrific) to say the least,however, twice I have been contacted by people who have offered to sell me ancient Portugese weapons found in caves in the Eastern Highlands of Zimbabwe,rusty blunderbusses are not my kind of thing so I didn't buy.

Some of the most valuable African tribal art items are very fine bronze castings from Benin, created by expert African bronze casters in the 17th. century, depicting Portugese soldiers, if you have one of these please be my friend - you could be worth a £1m.



Dawie

Your vision in setting up this site never ceases to amaze me, out of the blue this week I had an email from a reader who has a picture of him and my late dad taken on a foremans course at Rhokana, just stunning stuff.

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 20:20:34 (UTC)


Dawie and Heather
The history of the Portugese in Africa is very interesting. I read on Ian Singer's site 'Viagem Contracosta' and I have a photo of the plaque on Danger Hill near Mpika recording the passage of Jose Maria De Alcerda E Almeida in September 1798. On my last trip north however I found that the plaque had been stolen.
In the early 70's I had to truck some laboratoty equipment from Kitwe to Salisbury. As the border was closed we had to travel through Malawi and across Mozambique. Here we traveled in a convoy with military escort because of the terrs. We made sure to drive exactly in the wheel tracks of the previous truck to avoid landmines. We crossed the mile wide Zambezi on a scary ferry and passed through Tete. It looked an interesting place, but we pushed on to Rhodesia as we were in a hurry. I believe that they have now built a bridge across the Zambezi. Mozambique is now progressing very well and many South Africans are moving there. It's got to be warmer than Vryheid!

Cheers Doug

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 18:04:19 (UTC)



Heather you are a clever girl I was in Fort Roseberry on several occasions and often wondered how it got its name now I know plus all that information on Fiera and district all very interesting, I note now you have appended your maiden name to your address NEE BENDER perhaps at Banbury we can change it just a little to KNEE TREMBLER Love Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 18:01:44 (UTC)


Donald Grewar
I have received your email, thanks. I have tried to reply but it keeps telling me it cannot get through? Please let me know if you have received anything.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 17:29:32 (UTC)


Dawie
My book on the Dutch and the Portuguese only starts from 1640, but it says that in 1641 on the island of Mozambique there were one hundred married settlers, seventy of them pure Europreans, besides the garrison of two hundred regular soldiers, who had quarters in the great Castle. All these settlers lived in stone houses with fine gardens and orchards; whilst most of them had a holiday farm as well ...

Skimming through the books I have in the office, I can't find the exact date that the Portuguese settled there, but somewhere in the back of my mind I have a link of Vasco Da Gama (or was it Bartholomew Dias?) and the year 1485 as the date they rounded the Cape. Mind you, this is from my school history so I could be way out.

But my book does say that in 1648, the Portuguese expelled the Dutch from Angola, after which it entered a new era .... Nearly two centuries of experience in the country had taught the Portuguese a great deal about its nature and the habits of its native inhabitants

About manipulating history? Certainly I know that in earlier centuries, the Portuguese were the only people who recorded written history, but that events were not necessarily recorded by those who had been closely involved. And it is always subject to that person's perception of what happened or the story that has been handed down to them and changed over the years - like the Bible.

Unfortunately, I have never been to Tete. For much of my adult life, it has been a no-go area because of the civil war, landmines etc. Perhaps one day soon I shall get there, but I feel I would first like to visit some of the places in Zambia that I have never been to - the Western Province, Luapula Province, North Western Province. I was supposed to go up to the North Western Province (Mwinilunga, Sakeji, Kalene Hill, source of the Zambezi River) this month, but I just didn't get the logistics sorted out in time and I also didn't want to go on my own - it's a long way off the beaten track in a a very lightly trafficked area. And now it looks as though I will only make it in October or November because next month I shall be spending some time at either Lochinvar or Blue Lagoon with the RAF and then also a week in the North Luangwa National Park with the German Ambassador. For August, I am trying to decide which trip I want to do - either a rushed ten day trip of the waterfalls in the Luapula and Northern Provinces with Quentin Allen (he is an artist) or my walk down the Leopard's Hill Road to the Zambezi. I can only do one of them because there is only one day in between the two trips for me to put my September issue together. And of course there is Feira and another trip to Shiwa Ngandu to bury myself in all the documents they have there. Decisions, decisions ....


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 09:49:30 (UTC)


Heather,

I am surprised that they would say "Portuguese manipulation", as it is firm that the Portuguese rounded the Cape in the 15th century, and that they were stepping off ships on the Mocambique coast most assuredly in the 1500's. I have no resources in front of me, but I reckon they were establishing posts on the east African coast in the late 1400's.

I think it is just alarming to the British that they were so late in coming to Africa. The Portuguese having been there hundreds of years before, and the Dutch having been there well established some almost 150 years plus before the British.

The British were Johnny-come-latelies. For them to accept this fact is a bitter pill.

By the way have you ever been to Tete? I saw a ad in Getaway (all ex-pats should see this brilliant magazine about holidaying in Africa) that talked about touring Tete---it looked genuinely historically ancient.

Have you ever been there?

Thanks for all this fantastic information!

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 08:26:13 (UTC)


Dawie
I read through that chapter last night, but it is mostly about Lacerda's travels into Zambia. Because of the fighting between the Dutch and British at the Cape, he proposed to counter this danger by opening a trade route by land between Loanda and Mozambique, making the roads safe by a chain of small garrisons along the whole way and set off from Tete on 3 July 1798. They were also to look for a suitable place on the Luangwa River to set up a trading post with Chief Kazembe's people and to gather scientific data. Before his death in late September/early October, he completed the first scientific map of the country between the Portuguese stations on the Zambezi and Lake Mwero. At this stage, Zumbo was already a European settlement as if the expedtion found the Luangwa River navigable to Zumbo, which is on the upper Zambezi, he was to hand a copy of his diary to the captain there. This trip being made during the dry season, the Luangwa was not navigable.

Zambezi, Journey Of A River by Michael Main says At the end of the 17th century, the Portuguese were driven off the plateau by Changamire Dombo, at which time they opened the trading post at Feira and Zumbo at the Zambezi/Luangwa junction. These were maintained sporadically for nearly 200 years. Henceforth, with the exception of Chipangura, official Portuguese trading was restricted to the line of the Zambezi River.

Also according to the same book, the town of Tete, downriver from Feira/Zumbo, was founded by the Portuguese in the 1530s, although this might be Portuguese history manipulation.

I've been trying to get back to Feira so that I can spend a few days there, just wandering around and seeing what I can find. I might try in the next couple of months, now that it is cooler and I shall look for that wall and the other things mentioned in the NRJ article. At the same time, I hope to get over to Zumbo. I also have, somewhere, a photo taken from where the jail was, overlooking the Luangwa - it is on a bluff with a spectacular view, so could be close to where the Magistrate's house was. I was told that this was the oldest jail in Zambia.

Do you remember those graves that I found on my last trip there? I have managed to find some information about one of the people buried there. Not a lot yet, mind you, but it did say that he used to suffer from the DTs.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 07:43:28 (UTC)


Hi all.
Ian Singer...
.an unsung hero..thanks for your efforts...

OOPS....a faux pas.....my little prose should have had a fish eagle not a sea eagle....

Alix


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 05:37:07 (UTC)


"I want to have your baby." Now that is strange -- am I missing something ?

Doug


Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 00:10:06 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Completed Northern Rhodesia Journal -Volume IV - No. 4 1960 with: Leopold Moore versus the Chartered Company - Part ii, Memories of Abandoned Bomas No. 15: Chinungu A 1914-18 War Time Boma, The Luwingu Lion Story, Lewanika's Country - Part iii, The Rise of the Chikunda "Condottieri", Notes on the Rufous-Naped Lark and the Red-Capped Lark, Notes, Lusaka Natural History Club, Correspondence, Book Reviews

See the Northern Rhodesia Journal table on the index page.

Thanks for the kind words I've received recently.

Regards Ian



Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 22:17:41 (UTC)


Good grief - trying to remember all these log-in names and passwords - thank heavens my computer can make educated guesses because I can't and that's for sure.
Heather, that was an Eastern Airlines cheapo. Whereas the the normal cost of a flight Ndola or Kitwe to Lusaka is $200 (No, surely I must have that wrong?? - no, it is! And once you get back into the 'real' world, that is incredibly expensive) this was $100 (one-way of course) via an Eastern bloc aircraft - Yugoslav or Czech? - one row of seats down each side of the plane, wings on top and it took an hour. Taking those photos, I have to confess to feeling somewhat uncomfortable and the Zambian in the seat on the other side of the aisle DID give me some very funny looks. It's not illegal now to take photos but one is never too sure if other people know the rules as they are at that particular time! And he did give me some serious bad-eye as we were landing at Lusaka which is why there are no photos taken then. Didn't want to push my luck!

Liz Downing (née Gregory)Click here to contact me
Lincs., United Kingdom
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 20:32:06 (UTC)


Heather,

Thanks for all that incredible information! Especially the stuff about Feira.

I was happy to see Senegal win of course! I thought the match this morning of USA vs. Mexico to be the most boring and hodge-podge football I've yet seen in this World Cup. I wanted to support Mexico, but they played such a poor game, I gave up and left the Koffiehuis de Hoek.

By the way, your Kwachas are now up on the wall and adding to Harry's pension!

John,

Dude! I am so impressed! Wot a stud! I sent you private mail. I want to have your baby.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 16:38:11 (UTC)


Dawie
Strange that you should mention Feira - I have just been preparing the article below for posting on the board, which mentions Feira.

I also have a book entitled Portuguese And Dutch In South Africa 1641 - 1806, published in 1951, which I bought while I was in Durban in April. I am still trying to read it, but it has a chapter on The Portuguese in Northern Rhodesia. I have had a quick look at the index and it doesn't list Feira, but it does list Zumbo which is the town across the Luangwa River, in Mozambique. I'll read that chapter this evening and see what is says. And when I have finished reading the whole book, I'll pass it on to you.

I also haven't had a chance to look at the latest updates on Ian's site - was waiting for our high speed link to be sorted out, but I'll download it now and read it this evening as well.

Senegal vs Sweden - I nearly phoned you at half time to check which team you were supporting - I was afraid that you might still be beating Europe's drum.



Northerners

Reg Hughes has kindly lent me 47 issues of the Roan Antelope Magazine and over the next few weeks, I shall be scanning articles and photos for eventual posting here. To start off, here is an article from the November 1957 issue. This is the fifth in a series of articles and I hope that I will be able to get the other four articles from Reg's stash.

A Further Note On European Place Names
by W V Brelsford

Since writing the article on place-names in Journal number II, I have come across the following light-hearted description of how apparently some of our early towns were sited. Running up the flag is the time-honoured gesture of claiming a country, but it seems that Germans and Portuguese were so law-abiding at the end of last century that they could be kept off the veld by mere notice-boards.

Sir Harry Johnston in discussing a Paper read at the Royal Geographical Society by Wilson Fox in 1916, said:
'.. I had something to do with the making of the very first maps for Northern Rhodesia and I found it was a good plan in those days to draw bills for posterity to honour. I had to fight against other ambitious pioneers who wished to secure for their respective countries as much as possible of Central Africa, and I believed in being first in the race as regards maps; because people are very impressionable to printed matter, and if you showed them a map with your projected country on it they took it as an accepted fact. In the course of 1889 I sketched out my plans on the spot with the help of Sir Alfred Sharpe, Mr. Alfred Swann and others. In 1890 I drew a map of what I called .. British Central Africa " studded with towns and with a magnificent system of projected railways. In the corner you saw a little notice to the effect that these lines were only projected. Many people did not look in the corner, and they turned aside and gave it up as a bad job if they were Portuguese or Germans. Occasionally there came along a tiresome literal-minded person who canoed along a river and failed to see .. Fort Rosebery," .. Gladstone" or .. Rhodes" or whatever might have been the town placed in that vicinity, though I usually had noticeboards erected to say that they were there. Sometimes, therefore, their existence was denied. But the Imperial Government and the Chartered Company moved ahead very quickly and it was not long before my ambitious maps became actually true. It is only twenty-six years since much of this was projected. Cecil Rhodes did not get seriously to work until about 1891. However, he honoured, as it were, the bills I had drawn against him, and before long these towns, which in some cases were only represented in 1889 or 1890 by a stout stake with a painted board announcing the name, had become in 1892 or 1902 important places, with real streets and real Government buildings, bazaars, and stores. Fort Rosebery was one of the latest to materialize, and it was a source of some bitterness to Lord Rosebery that the explorers of other nations could not find the town named after him for years after it had been placed on the maps."

Incidentally I have not discovered whether any places called Gladstone or Rhodes ever developed or where they were sited.

I give a few notes now which either develop the information given earlier or describe names omitted or new ones.

FORT ROSEBERY
In the earlier article I said I did not know why Fort Rosebery has been so called. It was obviously after Lord Rosebery but I could not trace any connection between him and Northern Rhodesia. A clue was given in a broadcast from London by A. P. Ryan in August, 1950. Rosebery was a great imperialist, and was the friend of Cecil Rhodes and Dr. Jameson. It also appears from the speech given above that Harry Johnston also knew him, It was thus because of his great interest in the development of the Empire that a station was called after him. Mr. Ryan gave some other interesting information.

The first use of a now common phrase was made in a speech at Adelaide in Australia. Lord Rosebery said: "God forbid there is no need for any nation, however great, leaving the Empire, because the Empire is a Commonwealth of Nations.

He was the first Prime Minister to win the Derby, winning twice in his sixteen months of office. He won a third Derby later. He was under fifty when he was Prime Minister but after that he never again held office. Ryan calls him a political Hamlet-out of step with his period, tortured by insomnia, distracted by differences and jealousies inside the Liberal Party, tempted away from polities by his many and diverse interests, he threw up a career of the brightest promise. When he died, in 1929, it was said that posterity would find him more fascinating than any other recent statesman, except Disraeli and Lloyd George."

FEIRA
I cannot imagine how we came to miss out of the earlier article the oldest European name of all. Feira is a Portuguese word meaning market " and there are legends that Feira was first occupied by Portuguese Jesuits in the sixteenth century. But the legends cannot be proved and the first written mention of Feira says it was established in 1720.

It was abandoned in 1780, together with Zumbo on the opposite bank of the Luangwa and Livingstone who visited them first in 1851 found a portion of a church bell in the ruins of Feira. Both places were reopened in 1862 but in 1863 the Senga tribe overran Feira and in 1864 both Feira and Zumbo were abandoned again. During the 1890's it became the home of Harrison-Clarke, a colourful pioneer who ruled like a king over big tracts of what is now Northern Rhodesia, and who, it is said, once led his private army across the Zumbo and hauled down the Portuguese flag.

In 1901 it was opened as a Boma by C. C. Shackleton and for the next ten or twelve years it was in its hey-day with three hotels and a base from which cattle from further north were crossed into Southern Rhodesia.

In 1933 it was closed as a Boma and the district administered from Lusaka. It was reopened as a Boma in 1947 and a small sleeping-sickness hospital built there. Tsetse fly had invaded the old cattle route.

This is but a bare outline of the history of Northern Rhodesia's oldest European settlement and merely gives an indication of the wealth of history tucked away in this fascinating corner of the Territory.

BELL POINT
I have at last tracked down the origin of this name. Mr. E. Knowles Jordan claims to have been the first white man to reach this beautiful point overlooking the confluence of the Mkushi and Lunsemfwa Rivers. This was about 1913 when he was Assistant Magistrate at Mkushi. He named it after Grace Bell, the daughter of a magistrate friend in the Union. She was very fond of seeking out beauty spots says Mr. Knowles Jordan. This is an almost unique example of a chance name that has lived. Most European place-names that have lived had at least some Northern Rhodesian connection. There have been a few equally arbitrarily selected names that have fallen into disuse.

Mr. Knowles Jordan goes on to say that the falls on the Mkushi River near Bell Point he called Blue Arch Falls since they had no native name. That name has not lasted.

WONDER GORGE
We owe this name, which appears on all the official maps of the Territory, also to Mr. Knowles Jordan. It describes the Gorge of the Lunsemfwa above its confluence with the Mkushi and the name is descriptive. The view and the gorge are wonderfuL In 1912 Mr. Knowles Jordan climbed down to the foot of the Lunsemfwa Falls which now provide hydro-electric power to Broken Hill mine. He modestly states that he was probably" the first white man to do so.

DEBENHAM CUT
A recent artificial channel in the Bangweulu swamps named after Professor Frank Debenham, O.B.E. Debenham, who had begun public life as a member of the Scott expedition to the Antarctic, retired in 1949 as Professor of Geography at Cambridge and is head of the Scott Polar Research Institute. He paid two visits to the Bangweulu swamps on official expeditions in 1946 and again in 1949. His task on the latter trip, was, inter alia, to advise on flood control in the swamps and, as a result of investigations, he advised the making of a channel from the north end of Nsalushi Island to link up with one of the southern channels and so divert the waters of the Chambeshi River away from the potentially fertile Lunga plain.

BUCKENHAM FALLS
These falls, at the upper end of the Kafue Gorge, were discovered in 1949 by two missionaries, Mathews and Temple. The Secretary of State agreed to the wish of the discoverers that the falls should be named after one of the pioneer missionaries of Northern Rhodesia. Buckenham was a Methodist who, together with his wife and a colleague Baldwin, had opened the Baila-Batonga Mission Station at Nkala at Christmas, 1893. In February, 1896, his daughter Elsie Marie died after repeated attacks of malaria and was buried at Nkala. She was only five years of age. In the same year Buckenham, also broken in health, had to go on leave, it had originally taken the party four years to work up into the lla country from Aliwal North, which they had left in 1889. They had crossed the Zambesi in 1890 and had spent three years battling with Lewanika, the Paramount Chief of the Barotse, for permission to enter the Ila country and now in 1896 Buckenham was paying the price in broken health from the long struggle. It took him and his wife eighteen days to get on foot from Nkala to Kazungula with a bunch of rude and insolent carriers from the tribes for whom Buckenham was giving his life. The party arrived at Kazungula on May 18, 1896, and Buckenham slowly failed until he died on June 11. He is buried at Kazungula. His name deserves to be perpetuated.

GWENLLIAN FALLS
Before the Secretary of State would agree to the naming of the Buckenham Falls, it had to be ascertained that there was no customary native name attached to them. A District Assistant, J. Hallsworth, was sent into the area to find out what he could add to the records already written. During the course of his journeys he came across some falls on the Funswe River, a tributary to the left bank of the Kafue in the gorge, about a mile up from its confluence. He was the first to discover them and the Secretary of State agreed that they could be named after his wife. It is understood that the falls are seasonal, being dry at the end of the dry season.

KANDAHAR ISLAND
The name of Kandahar Island, a well-known place close to Livingstone, has given me a problem. It is an acknowledged name yet is neither European nor African it is Indian.

Mr. F. B. Macrae, a retired District Commissioner, had a theory that the name was a corruption or an anglicized (!) version of a native word such as Kundali (I do not know what that means). I put the question to Mr. W. G. Fairweather, who replied as follows:

Curious you should put this query. When I first went out on the river fishing, years ago, in 1910, to Kandahar and Palm Islands, I asked my fishing pals how it got the name and was told it was to celebrate Lord Roberts' famous March. But my personal boy who used to accompany me on my fishing exploits to cook the fish for breakfast or lunch, always called it Kandaha - accent on the Da? I fancy, however, it was his attempt to say Kandahar, for as far as I am aware, few if any native names end in a consonant.

"I do not think Kandahar is an anglicized version of Kandali and I was sure it was a name given to the island by some European official. Kalai is a native name and its nearby island, which has been called Long Island from the early days, is and was called Loando by the natives. The other islands near the falls I never heard called by native names and they have all been named after Royalty."

PICCADILLY CIRCUS
This is not a joke. There is a place which has been so called for nearly thirty years. It is a cross-roads between Mkushi Boma and the Great North Road in the one direction and the deserted Mutuka Mine and Fiwale Mission in the other. Chirupula Stephenson suggested that it might have been named by J. Gordon Read, C.M.G., a retired Provincial Commissioner, who was stationed at Mkushi. I asked Mr. Gordon Read, who answered

"If Chirupula says I named the road-crossing north of Mkushi 'Piccadilly Circus,' it may be so, but I have no recollection of doing so, and Chirupula may just have heard me refer to it in conversation. I think it was named by the miners at Mtuka Mine or the Lunsemfwa Claims on the opposite side of the river. It is also difficult to say what year it was named. I have a note in my diary that on July 15, 1923, 1 started off to find a route for a road to Chiwefwe. I remember this, but I did not make the road. I left Mkushi on July 5, 1924, to proceed on leave and did not return there until August 15, 1926. I left Frank Brown (later Chief Secretary, Nyasaland) in charge, and I think he made the road during 1925 or 1926 and it would be named, I suppose, about that time.

I'm very sorry I cannot be more definite but it is a long time ago, and I was at Mkushi four times, totalling about ten years altogether, and it is difficult to know during which of my tours certain things happened. I do know that Peter Stephenson (Chirupula's brother) and I made the first motor road from Mkushi to Broken Hill in 1922, but I did not have anything to do with the construction of the Chiwefwe Road, and I think my preliminary survey only went as far as the place subsequently called Piccadilly Circus.' Brown, I feel sure, did the survey north of this."

BOWOOD SIDING
This is the only railway siding left with a European name. (Chisekesi was formerly known as Mission Siding.) Bowood, after working on the railways, became an early settler and the siding was on his farm.

Extracted from the Roan Antelope - November 1957


Fort Rosebery is now called Mansa; Feira, Bell Point, Wonder Gorge, Kandahar Island and Bowood Siding are still known by those names; Debenham Cut, Buckenham Falls, Gwenllian Falls and Piccadilly Circus have disappeared from the latest maps. But I have added them to my list of places to go, so with any luck I may be able to bring you photos in the future.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 14:30:15 (UTC)


Dawie,

Add me to your non-Windows user list.

I'm typing this using the Konqueror browser on the KDE2 desktop on SuSE 7.3 Linux on an IBM PC.

PCs are like air conditioning - neither will work properly when you open Windows!


John WhithamClick here to contact me
Windsor, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 12:24:35 (UTC)


Heather et al,

I read the NRJ report on Feira that Ian Singer posted recently on his GNR sister site. As you know, Heather, I am very interested in the old Portuguese colonial presence in central Africa. They were venturing into Zambian territory many centuries before the British stepped into the picture.

I had asked you Heather if you noticed any traces of the Portuguese presence in the form of architectural remains at Feira. You had mentioned not. However, in the NRJ article they mention an old defensive wall that the Portuguese had built to defend the town.

What I would like to know is from what period the wall dates. It would certainly make Feira one of the most ancient and historic towns in Zambia!

I think that Tete on the Zambesi in Mocambique dates from the 16th century. Could Feira also be attributable to this early century---thus pre-dating the Moederstad, Kaapstad, herself ? !

Historians, please step forward...

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 12:17:31 (UTC)


George & Gail Absolom et al,

George and Gail: remember to scroll down in this Message Board to see that you have already been mentioned here. So you can no longer just lurk!

To all Africans! I hope that you feel the same pride in Africa to see that Senegal is doing well in the World Cup. Bafana Bafana did well too, but I thought the Senegal-Sweden game really showed off the fine Senegalese team!

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 12:09:35 (UTC)


Elias, Tony & Alix

Re The WATTS of Chingola

The Watts family resided in Chingola for many years, from the time of yore.

The family comprised of parents and three children.

Ken the father was killed in a car turn over on the Nchanga side of the Mufulira turn off, as us Chingola people called it. It was quite sad as Ken had his alsatians with him and the ambulance people couldn't get to him and take him to hospital. The police had to get Ken the son from work and take out to the accident to get the dogs, this delay cost him his life.

Ken had two sisters, Joan & Lisa. Joan married Wilfie Mills and they settled in Benoni after leaving Nchanga.

Lisa who was the youngest had stayed on at Nchanga after her mother had returned to Aberdeen. Lisa eventually went to Scotland to her mother. I don't know what happened to Ken and sadly I heard some time ago that Joan had passed on.


Heather

Photos taken at Nchanga

Thanks for the pictures of Theo Antill & Muzzie Smart. Having known them both during school & apprenticeships it sure brought back memories.

Gordon & Irene






Gordon & Irene Dixon (née Wilson)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 11:15:08 (UTC)


BANBURY BASH ATTENDEES!!!!!

Lots to do and time passing very quickly indeed. Please can those attending so far begin to forward their payments for the braai, beer, wine, wors evening as soon as possible. Need to now start placing orders in advance on suppliers and as usual they require "payment in advance!" Thank you for your prompt co-operation folks. Payment details as per the Bash advert on May message board.

Paudie Coughlan

I have not received confirmation of your attendance at Banbury Bash yet? please confirm by return e. mail to me if U R attending and if so how many - e.g. just u or wife incl etc. Thanks!

Linda Dore

Just to say as of monday June 17 I have had 43 firm confirmations of attendees at Bigger Banbury Bash. This figure excludes Brian Geyser and "The Crusaiders" as am still awaiting final confirmation from Brian - he is a busy man U know!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 09:13:05 (UTC)


Northerners
There seem to be hundreds of you lurking out there who read this board, but never post - Moira Steevens, Adrian Mooy .... two names that come to mind immediately.

And even worse, some of you don't have your names registered in the directory. But you have given yourselves away now - Jim Smith, Paul Harrison, Nilla Roberts, Brian Holder and more.

I am waiting for your postings, otherwise I shall be forced to start digging into your pasts to find all the stories that you would rather not have repeated.

George and Gail Absolom, Mr and Mrs Absolom
Welcome to the GNR and I hope you will start posting soon. Dawie has told me lots about you.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, June 17, 2002 at 07:17:00 (UTC)


Brian Mulenga
Brian, I read your interesting write up in "The Lowdown" magazine about my distant relative Couvarous, the General Manager of Sun Hotel, Livingstone. When I heard the first reports that he had been arrested, manhandled and shoved head first into a 4 wheel drive by Zambia Wild Life Authority guards for not having an import permit for a few hotel horses, I was quite indignant.
But reading further back I noticed that there was always a number of disputes between him and the staff and friction in other areas. When he was released, he immediately threatened to close the hotel down and sued the Zambia Wild Life Authority for assault.
Now Brian. I was just wondering how a relatively junior member of staff can close down a hotel when he did break the law by not having the correct permits. Also this is puzzling me, he has applied to have his court case for assault against the officers dismissed "because of the good relations he has with the ZAWA" ? The magistrate rejected his application and the court case will go ahead.
Does this man still have a job?
Regards
Elias


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 22:29:22 (UTC)


Dave Cooper did not foresee some depraved Northeners posting extracts from Local Court divorce proceedings, on his message board, or he would have arranged a time delay before messages were posted so they could be edited Although this does have 100% local content.
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Sunday Mail, June 9, 2002

Singing house wife divorced
By PETER CHIKWAMPU

A DEFENDANT complained before Lusaka Boma local court that his wife had a habit of singing songs whenever he told her that he wanted to make love.

Friday Tembo of John Howard compound said this in case in which he was sued by his wife Johanne Nyangu of the same compound for divorce, alleging that he beats her too much for no reason.

Tembo told the court her wife was a problem when it came to bedroom matters as she denied him sex .

Tembo said he pleads for sex from her as if she was not his wife, adding that she wears boxer shorts (bombasa) to ensure that there was no love making between the two.

He said often when he asks for love making with her, Nyangu would begin singing a popular song by JK, `Kagelo' which is a man's lamentation of a young woman he loves.

He said when he tries to force her, she bites him all over his body. He showed the court teeth-bite bruises as evidence of her conduct.

Tembo said since his wife started working, she has stopped doing domestic chores and he does all the work even the bathing of a child.

In her statement, Nyangu told the court her husband always beat her whenever they had matrimonial quarrels especially when he returns home drunk. She said Tembo was problematic only when he was drunk.

Passing judgement principal presiding justice Mr Alfred Shilimbwa, granted the couple divorce and ordered Tembo to support the child through monthly payment of K30,000 which is subjected to review.




Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 21:41:29 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

In the last few weeks, I received an email message from a long lost friend from Nkana. I was delighted. The very reason that I established the Great North Road back in 1996 had paid off again. I had found long lost friends!

I would like to take this opportunity to introduce to all the members of the ex-pat Northern Rhodesian and Zambian world wide community who post and read from the Great North Road Message Board, some of my dear friends from the glorious old days at Nkana-East:

George and Gail Absolom and their parents, Mr. & Mrs. Absolom. The Absoloms lived on Philip Street, which basked in the glorious radiance of Nkana's most exclusive and oppulent version of the Avenue Foch: namely the street that the Coopers and Crouches lived on: fabulous Geddes Street.

I hope that the Absoloms will register soon as members of the Great North Road on the Names directory, and that they will post on the Message Board.

Please welcome some of my dear friends from Nkana days!

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 18:48:11 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

Hurrah! It has come to my attention that at least ONE other person on the GNR besides myself uses a computer which is NOT a PC running Windows.

I am not the only ibook user! Maybe the tide is turning.

I am very happy about this.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM
Old Mokum

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 10:36:56 (UTC)


Ian Singer
Thanks so much for all your hard work on your site. It is always a pleasure to visit and see what you have in store for us.



Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, June 16, 2002 at 03:29:01 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Completed Northern Rhodesia Journal -Volume IV - No.1 - 1959 with: Adventurers Still, The Discovery of the Victoria Falls, Notes on Target Rifle Shooting, 1905 -1939 - part 1, A Pollen Analysis of the Lake Bangweulu Peat Deposits, The Red Billed Quelea, Feira in 1919-20, Notes, Lusaka Natural History Club, Correspondence, Book Reviews, Play Review.

The NRJs now have their own table which shows which copies I have scanned, which are still to come and which I am missing. I have just tripled my collection from 6 to 19 copies which will, eventually, find their way on to the site.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 22:57:26 (UTC)



Linda and Tina I dont care if you arrive without your PJMS.
Love Johnny.
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Please note that my dear house keeper today returned to Bonny Aberdeen today I am SURE she is not pregnant contrary to all your suppositions, but she did take a baby away with her I will leave it to her to tell you its name Bye Johnny.
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john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 20:19:19 (UTC)


Linda

No, sadly Tina didn't make it due to some car problems. Well she would insist on hiring a Merc, silly girl. Anyway, I look forward to seeing you both at the bash in September. Be there with your PJ'S on and don't either of you dare consider pulling out of it!

Dave

I wish you all the best for your trip to LA. Not the nicest of circumstances, but my thoughts go with you and I hope your move will go well. Take care.

Ian Meyrick

Welcome to Wales. Sorry you weren't there when we passed through Chepstow on Wednesday, but I wish you all the best with your new venture. I will call in a couple of weeks to see how you're going

Gary, Tash, Scott and All

I hope you've all had a wonderful day at the wedding. I'm looking forward to hearing all about it and seeing the photos. Love to Tash and Scott who I'm sure looked wonderful.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 19:34:49 (UTC)


Cookie and Teresa
Congratulations on your big day! I will always remember your wedding anniversary as it is my son's birthday too.

Fiona
Has Tina been able to visit you on her trip. She is checking out your guest house for me. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 19:20:00 (UTC)



Dawie your heart must be really heavy now after we stuffed them Bring them all on you should have seen the rejoicing in the streets today certainly some thing to see, sorry about Mam lets keep our fingers crossed there are survivors.
Regards Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 16:46:06 (UTC)


Cookie and Teresa


Congratulations on your special day, and all the very best for a happy future together.

Hope to catch up with you at the Banbury Bash in September

Cheers

P.S. Some people think Cookie's hollow legs are genetic - they're actually due to hard training around the Kitwe Playing Fields bar.


Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 15:08:50 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

Forward apologies for the lack of NR content herein, but the situation compels me to say...

It is with heavy heart and profound sadness that I note that at this the second half, Denmark has failed to lead in the game. It with immense hope and optimism that we can only hope that the second half will be for the Danes, the victory that should be theirs!

Denmark for Europa!

On this beautiful, sunny European blue-sky day over Amsteram, we stand firm behind our Viking brothers!

Everyone who has sent me messages in email and on this board, thanks for the kind words about my mum and dad. I will leave for LA (USA) shortly. I have signed for the apartment on the Singel, will move in shortly.

Tot ziens!

Vriendelijke groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 12:37:58 (UTC)


Sorry Heather - laugh!

Sue Forde (née Forde, formerly McCallum)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 11:44:05 (UTC)


G'day all.

Arthur - Thanks for all your tremendous work AND on the Rhokana Reviews... very much appreciated!

Heather - You made me laught out loud! Ta!

ELIAS!!!!!

Alan and Teresa (Now)Brassington - Sincere congratulations!



Sue Forde (née Forde, formerly McCallum)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 11:42:48 (UTC)


Cookie Monster and Theresa,
Here`s hoping you have a great day and a great life together. Thersa do you know what your letting yourself in for with this guy, he`s a party animal.
Anyone who can tie this guy down must be good.
All the very best.

Des Kenny (formerly Crouch)Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 08:57:15 (UTC)


Teresa, Cookie,

Have a wonderful day and a wonderful life.

Teresa, watch out for Cookie, he is an excellent auctioneer and could end up bringing you along to the GNR bash Gary is organising in September and selling you off if he gets bored!

Cookie, I hope the preacher cannot hear the beer swilling round in your hollow legs as you stand at the altar today. Blame it on Natasha's tummy gurgling.


Hope to see you both soon



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 08:07:29 (UTC)


Elias!!!!
I rather think you should have your eyesight checked out,
there is no such facial resemblance at all re the gentleman in question,not only is it the wackybaccy your'e interested in but now cocaine ??? you will get your fingers burnt....
all those bareing gifs....must be affecting you...giggles
Alix


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 02:26:55 (UTC)


Alan Brassington (aka Cookie)

WISHING YOU AND TERESA THE VERY BEST OF LUCK ON YOUR WEDDING DAY 15/6/02. May your lives be full of romance, joy, companionship and love. Have a wonderful wedding and future together.

Love & best wishes - Gary, Natasha & Scott.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 23:59:02 (UTC)


Craig, Arthur, Heather or Dawie
Please dont delete or censor this message. It is vital, essential medical information for our older male readers. It was kindly supplied by Hilton Williams with an accompaning photograph.
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An eyeful a day keeps the doctor away.
By Jonathan Hayter.
Staring at women's breasts is good for men's health and makes them live longer, a new survey reveals.
Researchers have discovered that a 10 minute ogle at women's breasts is as healthy as half-an-hour in the gym. Dr Karen Weatherby, who carried out the German study, wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine:- "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a well endowed female is equivalent to a 30 minute aerobics workout."
"We believe that by doing so consistently, the average man cut the risks of strokes and heart attacks in half and extend his life by 4 to 5 years.
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With regard to the photograph possibly it should be forwarded to Johnny Green and Sue Forde for approval and censoring.
Dr Elias M.D

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 22:47:30 (UTC)


Tony Bruce
Thanks for the information Tony. I will find out from the girl what her parents names were. Johnny Green also knew a "Watt" who was a boilermaker in Chingola. Do you live anywhere near Ken Miller in Canada? His dad also has written quite a few books and used to have regular features in many of the local newspapers.
With reference to Don Bruce, click on Sue Forde's name just below on her last message for more information about Don's book. She is quite amiable and cheery and not as grumpy as she makes out on her messages. UNLESS you send her rude jokes when she can be quite fiery, as Johnny Green found out recently.
Elias

Alix Key
Great poem Alix. You know how you have been hunting for lost relatives for a while? Well I keep my eyes open, but I am not sure if this one is a relative, although there are some facial similarities.
His name is Hilton John van Staden, unfortunately he has just been jailed for 9 years for smuggling £306 million worth of cocain into Britain. He owns property in Spain, South Africa, by the Thames in London etc. So it may be worthwhile checking out his lineage. I will send you the link, which has his picture on.
Elias.


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 22:00:34 (UTC)


Alix
Beautiful poem. Thanks for sharing.

Heather and Liz
Loved your piccies. That must have been some experience to have the elephant so close, Heather.

Brasso
Do you have an updated list of those attending the bash?

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 20:09:29 (UTC)


Elias,

Sorry for the delay in responding. My sheep the 4 legged terrorist b.....d's found a way out of the bottom pasture and I've been spending time reinforcing fencing all round. To answer your question no I'm not related to Don Bruce at least as far as I know. I'd like to read his work so if you know how to get in touch please let me know or perhaps Sue Forde would oblige.

Ken Watt, was my friend at school and had a horse called Tarzan. I learnt to ride bareback through the bush helping Ken herd the horses. Ken's father worked on the mine but I can't recall his name. Mr. Watt senior who was in the Caledonian society with my father suggested that my father buy me a horse. My father was not enthusiastic but agreed that if I came first in class the entire school year he would comply. For the first and only time in my life I made the grade as they say and was given my horse Ginger for christmas and as I'd learnt to ride without a saddle the horse came bridle only. Ken's dad took pity and gave me an old english riding saddle. As mentioned Mr. Watt senior died and not long after Ken and his mother returned to Scotland. I can't recall if he married in Chingola or not as a lot was happening in the early 60's as some will remember.

Regards,

Tony Bruce


Tony BruceClick here to contact me
Canada
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 16:37:05 (UTC)


Hi All
After reading and seeing pictures of the mighty Zambezi I felt a longing to paint with words how I see this mighty force of nature.....

The Zambezi river.....
the marshy spring emitting a life force, she rises
in the midst of the trees standing like ancient guards,
bubbling from the earths treasure with in,
meandering, through the valleys
over the sandy plains..of the Barotse
eddies swirl....
the sun with her life sapping glow,
diminishes the flow etching her way,
clear clean water,
giver of life to the verdant pastures ,
past the stately stands of Rhodesian teak,
oh I wish they could speak
herons ever spying their quarry,
the mangrove swamps knarly knotted branch
topped with jade coloured leaves
overhead colourful swooping kingfishers flurry
on the land,the creatures of the earth,
come to the edges to sate their thirst,
the swift but meloncholy face of the cheetah
ever so shy
the proud lion, the wildebeest, the hyena too
oh and the proud, and funny warthog
with a queal for a cry...
the matriachal Elephant with her sisters,
blowing , spurting , like shower nozzles spraying their backs,
oh what joy!
an ancient being, slyly watches, the eyes never moving...
the armour plate of a dinosaur, the savage, the greed, the ploy
the power of the crocodile.........master of the waters
slithering from the shore the silent stalker into the murky dark waters,
deep within .........waiting .......
the hippotumus or river horse,
with jaws liken to a chasm
the phhhhst of air,the bubbles rise, ears wiggle, the bulbous eyes look
and then gone again.
and he a vegetarian!
the river flows on though the turns of valleys and the plains ,
she flows on and on
passing by the strange upside down form of the Baobab
she slices through the deep gorges, carved like the runes of aeon.
black basalt cliffs ,giddy towers,
the azure roof.a curtain for the stars
a lone sea eagle proud swoops, dives like lightening
up, up carrying its prey,
on the bank a screeech cackle,...a crack of a branch...
a vervet monkey sways away
the monoliths, anthils, like lost cities dot the banks
this force of liquid gathering momentum
the power of the river gods....
forcing the movement of the river hurtling , twirling
raising the sounds as water hits air.........
avalanches of white waves, bouncing along
foaming whirlpools, drawing down,
jagged forms,like giant obelisks stand motionless
surrounded by a sheaf of ghost like mist
the building crescendo marching over the edge she spills
the watery form over the rim, into the precipice
the sounding cannons, the mighty thunder,
mosi a tunya
the shrouded veil of mist rising like smoke....
the playground of the river god nyamai-Nyami
Old mother Zambezi never stops flowing
no time to play.....as she winds her way
to the ocean the great Indian...
here she can rest...........the end of her odyssey
peace....
(C) Alixandria Key 2002


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 14:03:01 (UTC)



Elias tell Louise that I did know a Watt in Chingola as I remember I think he was a foreman in the boiler shop and also tell her she was born in the capital of the copperbelt, give her my em address if she wants to know more about Chingola Regards Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 07:50:56 (UTC)


Dawie
Is everything ready for your move today to the new place on the Singel. Hope it all goes well.

Liz Downing
What airline were you flying on that it took you so long? It's usually only about a 40 minute flight, max.

Sue Forde
The worst part about the elephant being so close was that whilst we were trying to concentrate on arguing about how many boats should be allowed in the National Park at any one time and whether the regulatory authority should be allowed to run a campsite in the Park, it was standing about two metres behind me with its stomach making some loud rumbling noises - almost lost the point I was trying to make at the time.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 05:54:26 (UTC)


Liz....Heather.....Arthur...
Liz thank you for the great Photos once again..the photos from the air were wonderful, how green everything looks....even in winter the majority of WA from the air is RED....

Heather..the pics of the pachys where delightful, especially the one right up close....only in Africa....just keep sending those ones in .....

Sarks....
The story of the Rhino was great, I have just finished reading an article which tells of in People in South Africa are buying them like prized cattle for up to $60,000..putting them on their farms and breeding them..
to me that sounds like a good idea, at least there is something done about the conservation of these wonderful creatures....




Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 05:24:48 (UTC)


Elias
Point of order here - Don Bruce let you read those chapters... I simply forwarded them. I am never a tease!

Tony Bruce
Welcome to the board! I have your book 'To Taunt A Wounded Tiger' though haven't had time to read it yet - it's teasing me - but work first. It's Derek Dutton's copy - his daughter Hazel is married to my brother Chris.

G'day All.

Thank for the photos Liz and Heather. I wonder how anyone who has not lived in Africa reacts to the elephants wandering between cars and building... casually grazing behind the meeting table...



Sue Forde (née Forde, formerly McCallum)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, June 14, 2002 at 01:34:29 (UTC)


Hi Arthur,

I took these on the plane from Ndola to Lusaka earlier this year. For some reason the date and time stamp came on and both are wrong but at least it shows how long the journey took!

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I really wanted to take a picture of BH but sadly was on the wrong side of the plane.

Cheers

Liz Downing




Arthur,

Yesterday I went down to the Lower Zambezi for a meeting and took my camera along. Here they are.

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Heather Chalcraft




Thanks Liz and Heather !

As you can all see I'm a little behind with posting up some of your images and I hope to catch up shortly. Just been a little busy lately...

Here are a few pics taken from the pages of the Rhokana Reviews I'm currently in the process of scanning.

These will bring back some memories for the Nkana Kitweans !

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I will soon start putting up more people pics again taken from the old Reviews - more suprises !

Here's an article below from 1957 - An old time hunter Captain E. Plewman De Kock wrote a number of animal stories which were printed in the magazines over the years - this was Animals - 5. I will also post some of the others from time to time.


Arthur




The Rhinoceros

A Relic of the Past

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THEODORE ROOSEVELT, ex-President of the United States, in his book 'African Game Trails'- shows a picture of a rhino standing under a shady tree on a big plain. He captioned it 'Wrapped in prehistoric thought,' a very apt description of this huge relic of the past.

I have seen many rhinos, and they always give me the impression that they do not belong. Their shape, ugliness and general deportment all make one think back to the days of mastodons, dinosaurs, and such like.


The rhino, as he is generally called, is unfortunately rapidly disappearing; he cannot fit in with agriculture or settlers whether European or African. The only places where he may exist for some time longer are the game sanctuaries, and that only if he stays there and does not wander.

The rhino is perhaps the most unpredictable animal in the 'bundu.' Like the elephant, he is shortsighted but has a very keen sense of smell and of hearing. When he smells a human he usually trots up to see what it is. He may turn and race away, but more often than not the scent will annoy him, and he will instantly charge, and a rhino's charge is very dangerous indeed. If one is very agile one may jump aside in time, then the rhino would very likely just carry on and rush away. But this requires far more than ordinary activity and nerve. The only safe thing is to climb the nearest suitable tree on sight of a rhino, and leave him to make up his mind at his leisure.

Some big game hunters are inclined to make sport of the rhino. One man, the late Hans Pretorius of Gwelo, who was about the fastest and most agile man in the 'bundu' that I have known, used to arrange safaris for officers at the beginning of the last world war.

One Major told me of an amusing incident. - He and two other officers were out with Hans in the Sebungwe district when, on one of the big open flats near Sengwa River, they saw a lone rhino standing apparently asleep under a big tree. Hans who has exceptionally keen sight noticed that there were no tick birds on the rhino who would give him the alarm. He turned to the men and said, 'Bet you a fiver that I will stalk that old brute and chalk my initial 'H' on its flank'. The bet was taken up by all three and Hans set off.

Taking note of every whiff of breeze and using what cover was available, Hans crept up noiselessly to his quarry from behind and stood up at its tail. Reaching round he quickly scratched his initial 'H' so plainly that the watching men could discern it through their binoculars. The sleepy brute woke up and whirled round to see what was annoying it, but Hans whirled with it keeping his position at the tail. Quickly the old bull reversed but Hans was ready and likewise reversed keeping out of sight. This was too much for the rhino who whistling like a demented locomotive rushed away as if in fear of his life, leaving Hans laughing heartily. The others drove up and he collected his £15. They all thought that it was well worth it.

On one occasion the rhino's nearsightedness saved me. I was hunting in a thick belt of senanga composed of wait-a-bit thorn trees through which the only passage was on the well-marked rhino paths where the continual passing of rhino, buffalo, and elephant had worn the path clean. It was like passing between well-clipped hedges. My companion who was following a more or less parallel path a few yards away suddenly shouted, 'Look out, rhino heading your way.' I could hear the brute crashing through the thicket and seemingly coming straight for me. There was only one thing for me to do. I crushed into the side of the 'hedge,' ignoring the piercing by innumerable thorns and squeezed in until I was level with the side of it. The rhino came thundering down the path snorting and puffing in the most alarming manner straight for me. He rushed past me so closely that his body actually scraped mine. I did not dare to fire, it would have been impossible to pick a fatal spot. I was very relieved to hear him carry on puffing and squealing until he was well away.

I have also known a rhino on getting the human scent to charge down a small gravelly hill. There were no suitable trees about so the hunter, who did not want to shoot the animal, did the only thing possible, he stood stock still aiming as the brute charged.

He would have fired at the last minute if necessary but just as the rhino reached about 25 yards and he was in the act of pressing the trigger, the brute suddenly put on all four brakes stopping in a flurry of dust and sending gravel flying into his face. The brute stood for a second or two staring at the motionless figure of the hunter then with a snort it quietly turned and walked nonchalantly back. The hunter waited until it was well away and then relaxed. But this is not usual. I have known many cases where the hunter had to shoot, and if the rhino was not dropped he has had to skip very nimbly to one side as it charged. This last resort has not always been successful, and if not, then an ambulance is not required. The rhino's horn is a terrible weapon-one thrust is usually fatal, and to make sure the rhino will stamp his victim flat until there is nothing recognisable left.

In the open a man on foot has very little hope of running away from a rhino for his speed is about that of a good horse.
Just before the start of the last war there was an old rhino bull who roamed about on the unoccupied land near Hunters Road siding. He became quite a well-known character and being Royal Game he was not hunted.

One day three of us were out in a special 'safari' car, which had no back seat or windscreen but only a driver's seat and a platform.

Reaching a large open plain we saw the rhino in company with a troop of zebra, which he was apparently guarding. The grass was like a mown lawn and we decided to have some fun with 'Old Crusty' as we had named him. Circling around the troop of zebra and their guardian we gradually edged nearer. I had a rifle but we did not wish to shoot. As we came nearer the old fellow looked up, trotted a few yards, made a short charge and on our racing away, ambled back to his zebras. Again we approached in ever diminishing circles. 'Crusty' turned away from us and pretended to be quite unconcerned at our presence. We tooted, but no, he paid no attention. We edged nearer when suddenly he charged full tilt! Cecil, the driver, trod on the gas but the car was slow in getting up speed, and 'Crusty' rapidly gained on us. We on the platform at the back were being tumbled about like peas in a pod and there was no possibility of shooting with anything like accuracy. 'Crusty' so quickly lessened the distance between us that I thought I would have to try a flying shot. When we could almost feel his hot breath the car gained momentum and maintained the distance between us. 'Crusty' seeing he could not get at us lost interest and we raced away to safety. At a safe distance we stopped to regain breath: we did not return for any closer acquaintance! I vowed I would never again play tag with a rhino, and all heartily agreed.


Extracted from the Rhokana Review - February 1957






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 23:57:23 (UTC)


 

Announcing the Bigger Banbury Bash

GNR Reunion Braai!

 
Saturday September 21st. 2002

 
Venue: Kings Sutton Village Hall

Astrop Road Kings Sutton

Nr Banbury Oxfordshire

 
Time: 18.00 - 24.00 hrs

 
Cost: £20.00 per person - payment prior to event please

Braai, beer, wine, wors & biltong!

 
For further details contact:
Gary Brassington, 20 Blenheim Rise, Kings Sutton,

Nr. Banbury, OX17 3QX


Tel: 01295 811852 or e.mail GBrass5755@aol.com







Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 22:25:18 (UTC)


Tony Bruce
Tony,thanks for the information about the Watt family in Chingola. I will see Louise and find out if its her family.
I enjoyed your story on the gnr about Operation Noah. Yes Tad Edelman was quite a character. I think he was a pilot in the Polish Air Force as well. I remember him later on when he owned a shop called Electrohire and was constantly fighting with his eldest son Taddy who was always sneaking of to play squash at Lusaka Club when he was supposed to be working at the shop.
Best regards
Elias

ps. Are you related to Don Bruce in Australia, who is also a writer? He is writing an interesting book about his adventures in N.R. Sue Forde who is helping him, has kindly let me read the first fascinating 3 chapters, then teased me by sending me chapters 27, 28 & 29. I am not sure if she is going to charge $1 a chapter like Steven King and his last computer book.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 18:21:45 (UTC)


Elias the Sensitive
Phew, for a minute I thought you were upset with me. But then I see that Alix is also ribbing you. It must be "those" two witches... He! He!

Here is a funny story about my Dad and what he was willing to do for me...again.

I used to work for Truck and Car Spares a million years ago, when I was a young teenager and wore my skirts as though they were little more than a long shirt. Obviously, the nature of the business was that the customers were predominantly male. Being better looking than the Fisher sons who worked behind the counter with me, I did get my fair share of invitations to dinner, although sometimes I did wish I wasn't more attractive than them. On one such occasion, some guy, I think he was Greek, asked me out for dinner and I could not think fast enough on my feet to tell him that I was on probation for poisoning my last date, so I gave him very vague directions to my house up in Riverside. I figured he would never find the place with my directions and put it out of my mind.

That night, my dad and I are sitting quietly enjoying each other's company, as parents and teenagers do.. when I see a car pull up to our gate. Immediately remembering the earlier invitation, I tell my dad to drop to the floor and hide. Responding with his usual, "What the bloody hell are you up to now??" he reluctantly agrees, and I quickly tell him there is this guy who has just pulled up and whom I have no desire to spend an evening with, so can we either stay crouched on the floor until this person goes, or answer the door and say he has got the wrong house.

The guy begins banging on the front door, obviously intent on waiting it out, while we crouch like two mumparas on the living room floor, hoping he does not press his face against the window and see us there. Finally, with a glare at me as though I had emitted an unpleasant bodily noise, my father agrees to answer the door.

The conversation went something like this:
"Good evening, sir. Is this where Linda Dore lives?"
"No!"
"Umm.. I thought it was. Is this 1931 Niles Road."
"No!"
"Uhhh.. It says 1931 on the gate?"
"Oh?"
"Would you be Mr. Dore, by any chance?"
"No!"
"Well, could you tell me if Mr. Dore or Linda live here?"
"No!"
"Would you mind telling me your name please, sir?"
"I appear to be Sikulumezi, the garden boy. Good night!"

And with that, he slammed the door in the startled guy's face. I never saw that guy again. I hope Mr. Fisher did not lose too much future business as a result.. Ha! Ha!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 12:29:22 (UTC)


Elias,
What got you all rile up? I never once mentioned the World Cup. Also the old adage about certain nationalities not being able to play soccer because of the fact that every time they got a free corner - they opened a cafe!
Muchokela kuti?
Pitani bwino




Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 11:01:51 (UTC)


Charlie
It's about 40 miles and we do plan to visit the caves. There are four of us and we are still trying to co-ordinate everything, especially our diaries, but it will probably be around the 24th August. The original plan was to do it over two days, but we might change it to three days since we're all a bunch of old farts now. But the scenery will be spectacular and I shall certainly take a lot of photographs

Now I just have to organise a few carriers and a machila.....

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 10:26:13 (UTC)


Charles Cartmill and those two White Witches
Here is my censored reply "!!%)(=#^*". It is a traditional Zambian way of telling you to go away in peace. Heather Chalcraft had a trick of blacking out the insults and if you rolled your cursor over the black, the words would reappear, but I cant remember how to do it.

Johnny Green
I met a young Social Worker today called Louise, who when she found out I came from Zambia wanted to know if Chingola was a town??, because she was born there and Chingola, Zambia is on her birth certificate. She left when she was 18 months old.
As our local Chingola expert do you remember a Scottish family called Watt? It is quite a common name but I will get some more details from her.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 09:24:16 (UTC)


Heather,
Regarding your planned walk from Leopard's Hill Road down to Chaiwa in the Zambezi Valley. How far is that? I looked it up on one of our old hunting maps. This old map refers to the area as “Native Trust Land No. V”. Will you visit the “Nat Man Cave”, about 5kms past Leopard’s Hill Ranch, just before the road branches down to the Valley? Good to hear you plan walking down – and not up – as you’ll drop from about 4488’ to 1216’ over the distance. Sounds like damn good fun, and I look forward to seeing pictures of it.
Alix and Linda,
(bowing) "Thanking you kindly - Ma'am!"
Elias,
(nodding - in the general direction of Scotland) "You're a sport - Bluey!"

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 08:51:16 (UTC)


Linda...Charlie,,,
I have been reading your postings with glee, yes...I agree, it is wise to beware of Greeks, bareing gifs...
the only problem is he seemed to think I sent him the bareing gifs....
oh and he is so strangely quiet ......
Alix

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 04:55:56 (UTC)


Charlie
Touche! And very funny... Elias is already scolding me privately. That's the problem with these men of Cypriot blood. They can't take the heat. He! He! He probably did not even catch my play on words with the deliberate spelling error.

Anybody know if Blackie (Barry) Hall is around? I'm trying to contact him about the bash. Come out, come out, where ever you are..

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 03:00:37 (UTC)


Elias
You expect me to agree to your proposal? What do you think I've been doing - a bit of quality control on the product??

Charlie
Had a word with Josh this morning. Daniel is in Hwange (Wankie), at Hunt Lodge. I shall get his address for you, if you wish.

Ndola/Kansenji Cemetery
Herewith the information that Marion has sent me about the cemetery. I have left off her email address (otherwise she might start getting all the spam that I get), so if you want to contact her, just send me an email and I'll forward it to her. And as their work progresses, I shall post updates on a special section on The Lowdown web site.


NDOLA/KANSENJI CEMETERY


The first cemetery in Ndola was behind the Ndola Rugby Ground later to be known as The Wanderers. The Ndola/Cross Crescent Cemetery (or the Kansenji Cemetery as it became known in 1973) was then opened, in 1932, with the burial of Edwin J. Harridine - the first of 7423 people to be laid to rest here.

The Kansenji Cemetery, in the last few years, has reverted to bush - grass six foot high covered all the tombstones and graves. Three spots remained in fairly good condition, the Jewish, Muslim and The Commonwealth War Graves. The rest was hidden under self-seeded 'Camel Foot' trees, lantana, elephant grass and refuse - graves have been vandalised, anything that can be melted down in the form of plaques or railings have'walked' - a sorry scene of neglect.

Thus the formation of S H A R E (Share, Help And Rebuild Environment), the brainchild of Manuela Ventriglia. A committee was formed and we commenced work on our first project, namely the Kansenji Cemetery, on 16th May 2001.

The Committee is made up of:-
Manuela Ventriglia (nee Sebastiani) - Chairperson
Sally-Anne Stavrou (nee Colam)
Dimitria Raimo (nee Minozzi)
Margie Goneos (nee Ashford)
Marion Gatchell (nee Jerrard)
Margaret Bloomfield
Kathy Rutherford
Cheryl Rutherford
Chantal Bouverie
Veronica Whittome
Nargis Ebrahim Malik
Sahina Habiba Sheikh
Sister Mary Kabulo

After raising money with a dinner-dance, cake sale, disco, catering at the Golf Club and a craft fair we have managed to raise enough money to clear the entire area, stump unwanted trees, fight through lantana and de-root the elephant grass (that grows as you look at it!) remove refuse - 400 tipper loads of rubbish were disposed of and last but not least, the erection of a 68 metre wall, at the back, joining the Ndola Trust School to the residential properties. We are now at the stage of raking, levelling, lawn planting and making concrete crosses for unmarked graves - many! We visualise a wall or paling fence, an attractive entrance gate - a lawned area, shaded by indigenous trees, a borehole and a permanent staff to maintain the area. Basically a peaceful, tranquil, shady spot for our Grandparents, friends of Grandparents, brothers, sisters, children and best friends to rest in. Why not - this is the history of Ndola - it was nearly gone forever.

The Committee are willing to trace graves (the Council records are still in place) and will e-mail you a photo or put flowers on the anniversary of the death, repair, replace plaques (bronze engraved plastic) etc. They will also be grateful for any help that you might like to offer.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 11:05:59 (UTC)


Hi Linda Hayes,
Shouldn't we modernise that expression?
I'm sure Alix will agree to my proposal : "Beware of Greek emails bearing GIFs!"
Regards

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 08:49:58 (UTC)


Heather
Re Elias'sessess' proposal below.. Beware of Geeks oops sorry, Greeks, baring their gifts. Ha! Ha!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 20:33:48 (UTC)


Elias …..

‘bury the hatchet….’ - in the timber industry
and …
‘make peace….’ - with cannabis.

Just remember to keep a 'log' of all transactions, and hope the Drug Enforcement Commission doesn’t 'lumber' onto your act. You could start a front company and have them 'barking' up the wrong 'tree'. Better still – start a few companies and they won’t see the 'wood' for the 'trees'. That way there’s less chance of making a ‘hash’ of it, and seing your profits go up in 'smoke'. I hope it's not just another 'pipe-dream'.

Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 19:51:54 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft, (a fantastic business opportunity)
Heather, here is a chance to bury our hatchets and make peace and a fortune. I have just read that two suspected drug smugglers, a Greek national Nicolas Spanoyannis and a Zambian woman called Clara van den Berg have fled to South Africa and their timber proccessing company closed down. Their method was quite simple, they were hiding cannabis inside logs and exporting to Canada.
The amounts of cash involved are staggering K3.4 Billion in Tanzania alone and 143 kilos of cannabis seized at Nakonde worth K107.3 million.
Now future partner, with your experience in the transport business and contacts with the Greek community we buy the company from the Drug Enforcement Commission, reopen it and carry on exporting "cannabis timber" to Canada.
Dont hesitate, remember "she who hesitates is lost".
Regards from your future business partner.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 17:13:36 (UTC)


Northerners
I have just finished speaking to Marion Gatchell. They have formed a group who will be cleaning up Kansenshi Cemetery in Ndola and looking after the maintenance etc of it.

Marion will be emailing me shortly with all the information which I will post on her behalf when I receive it.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 09:10:32 (UTC)



Gary pleased to here you are clean you have an impersonator somewhere, Regards Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, June 10, 2002 at 15:47:47 (UTC)



Elias my rather flippant reply was in answer to a rather sugestive question you posed to me, IE What am I doing to Johnny Green, in actual fact he is as healthy as ever and as he told you unfortunatley NOTHING.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, June 10, 2002 at 11:37:30 (UTC)


Johnny Green

Confirm ran a full virus check on my systems late last nite after seeing your posting to me on Message Board. Can advise my systems are 100% clear and no virus' detected! As advised my virus checker is always on in background and even set up to scan e.mail. Am at a loss as to where virus came from especially as I have not sent U any messages for months mate!

Heather

Thank U! Likewise for yourself. Talk soon I hope.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, June 10, 2002 at 11:29:30 (UTC)


Brasso
Good- just keep at it.

Charlie
You can put my name on the list - I will be there unless it clashes with something that I just can't change - have two trips in July and one at the end of August - four of us are planning to walk from the top of the Leopard's Hill Road down to the Zambezi Valley at Chiawa. I reckon I was crazy to agree, but what the hell - it should be fun.

Elias
Is that sarcastic, caustic or both?

George
Tattoos? I can always sort those out for Jim, but only after I have had some practise on Elias in Banbury in September - he has this fixation about Dawie's tattoos, so I have decided that I am going to give him a tattoo on his backside and all the ladies at Banbury can help me by holding him down. Now I just have to decide exactly what it is that I am going to tattoo - either a picture or perhaps some apt phrase, bearing in mind the position of the tattoo.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, June 10, 2002 at 09:01:52 (UTC)


Hi All.....
Elias......

Yes you are quite correct, I have not been sending any emails with "rather interesting videos etc"...a bit like the mystery ones I have been getting daily....
talking about mysteries, the posting of that strange email about horses, It was my 10 year old Jade, she found my password in a note book of mine....took a while for her to own up..so appologies to all ....and beware of innocent 10 year olds.......
ciao
Alix


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, June 10, 2002 at 00:51:34 (UTC)


Johnny Green and Brasso
Johnny, glad to see you are alive. I received a shocking email from Gill Main asking me to send flowers as she had caused your death in a pleasant way.
Talking about viruses, if you get one from Alix Key dont delete it. If you manage to debug it, there are interesting videos about the reproductive system and bodily functions.
Alix also swears she never sent it to me.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 21:16:05 (UTC)



Heather

Thanks for posting that picture of Jim Smith, he is wearing rather well but could do with some advice regarding hair.

When I first came to the UK as a student, Jim and I shared the same digs in Brighton for a couple of years, he owned a motorcycle then and used to give me a lift to college every day. I am sorry to hear that he has broken his arm, when we were in Brighton he was Mr. SENSIBLE (only when it came to motorcycles I should add), perhaps Jim is becoming a bit of an old age rebel biker, maybe by the time he reaches 50 he will be start sporting tatoos and a beer belly?


George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 20:54:29 (UTC)


Johnny Green

Re your posting ref Virus Alert! Am somewhat bemused U received a virus from me as have not sent U any communications for months mate!!!!!!! My Norton Antivirus is ALWAYS in protect mode in background and my system has not alerted me of any virus detected!!!!! Am re running NOW complete virus detection programme & will advise accordingly.


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 20:41:25 (UTC)



Gary Brasso I have just recieved a savage looking VIRUS from you about 8.15pm this evening check your files old man Regards Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 20:26:16 (UTC)



Dear all, Anyone wishing to contact Miss Gill Main please use the FRIAR TUCK code and mark the subject line, FOR GILL, that way your message will remain Sacrosanct.
Regards to all Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, June 09, 2002 at 09:36:02 (UTC)


Heather,
I'm bushed. Just returned from a meal with Mike and Patrick Barron at Patrick's new venue - Scrumpy Jack's. Great site - Dawie van Amsteldam, you'll love it - opposite the Armchair Theatre, and under Stones in Observatory Cape Town. We went to the restaurant next door - Divas. Great food and, of course, great Merlots/Cabs. etc... Patrick's opening will be on the 28th - all NR/Zams welcome. Now for the re-union.....Let me know who's interested!
Regards
CJ

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 22:54:50 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added a scrapbook of newspaper cuttings about the Lumpa Uprising sent by Craig Ing, son of the late NRP member Chris Ing. This includes a short biography of Chris.

Many thanks for this, Craig.

Regards Ian


Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 22:31:40 (UTC)


Banbury Bash Reminder

1st off Art, Heather, Fi, Mo, Ade, Des, Pappy etc. - I'm still here and fighting! Please remmember those planning to attend Banbury Bash on 21st sept - accommodation details were posted in May Archived Message board!

Morice Doyle - Davidson

Thanks for your e. mail. I remember your family very well indeed. I replied to your e. mail BUT returned as not sent error. Please e. mail me again! How R David & Francis, Mervin, Malcome, Michelle & Maureen. See even remember your parents gave U all names with M!




Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 20:55:21 (UTC)


Bill Knott
Bill, you are a clever guy, cant you work out a way to get the better of that sarcaustic Chalcraft Woman? All I can do is splutter indignantly.
She was right as well about my Norton Anti Virus. I didnt pay for it, but the company didnt mind me using an unregistered version, until yesterday when I had to use an unregistered MaCafee Anti Virus instead.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 18:50:34 (UTC)


Dave
Sorry to hear of family problem. Hope things work out OK.

Cheers -Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 17:09:55 (UTC)


Craig
Just noticed that our maiden names are showing in our address. I must have been asleep for that update. Thanks! Great enhancement. (Now I really can't hide from my past. Ha! Ha!)

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 14:53:38 (UTC)


Simon
Contact me privately, or Gordon Garlick, John Dorrington's brother in law.

Kevin Shone
I have arranged to have you kidnapped for the bash... You can run, but you can't hide!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 14:51:18 (UTC)


Charlie
Josh did mention his son. I think he said he was in Australia now - I shall be speaking to him on Wednesday and will check with him.

Bill Knott
If I exposed myself to you, you would need a cornea transplant so unless you have a very good medical insurance, please make sure that I don't.

Elias
Don't blame me for your Norton Anti-virus disappearing - you probably never had one in the first place because you didn't pay the suppliers.

Kansanshi
In 1995, I (and Kevin Shone) was involved in a contract transporting nearly 400,000 tonnes of copper ore from Kansanshi to Chingola for processing (there are some photographs that were posted on the board in September or thereabouts). ZCCM had been mining the ore, but during the late 70's or early 80's they had found that the cost of moving it to Chingola was too high.

It was one of those open-ended contracts - originally we negotiated to move 6,000 tonnes and when we got to the end of that, they said 'carry on' and we did for another six months, but all the time it was dependent on the copper price staying where it was (or rising). It was a 24-hour-a-day, 7-days-a-week operation and included the loading in Kansanshi and the offloading in Chingola (and not all the trucks were tippers, so the ore was pushed off with a frontend loader). We averaged about 25 trucks on the job at any one time and did a total of 9,462 loads, so most trucks were doing two loads a day. Of course there were the inevitable machinery breakdowns, but the worst (or perhaps the best) was the scale for weighing the trucks. Eventually we agree with ZCCM that we would determine the average weight for each individual truck and invoice it according to that average. It saved a lot of time for the transporters and saved me a lot of time when it came to doing the invoicing, but I think it also saved ZCCM a lot of money in transport costs.

Johnny, there were no two hundred tonne loads carried on that job (I am rabid about overloading). The heaviest load was seventy-four tonnes and I did have the transporter concerned almost on his hands and knees apologising for this and explaining that one of his drivers had decided to be smart and fill the truck up as much as possible (the drivers were all on a bonus system, so it made sense to him). But there was a lot of damage to the Chingola/Solwezi Road (it was failing before the contract started and the increased traffic volumes exacerbated the situation). Some work has been done to keep the road in fairly good condition, but it does need rebuilding. I know that rebuilding is on the programme, but don't know whether the contract has started yet or not.

I believe that all the buildings at Kansanshi were razed to the ground before the mine was privatised (they had a problem with squatters and I suppose this was the only way to deal with the problem quickly and without a protracted legal battle). I was supposed to be going up there this month, enroute to Mwinilunga, Kalene Hill and the source of the Zambezi River, but unfortunately I have had to postpone my trip. Hopefully I shall make it later this year and I shall certainly stop off there then.

Simon Penstone
Gareth Williams is farming in Mkushi and dropped in to see me yesterday in Lusaka. I don't have his email address but if you send me your email address, I shall pass it on to him.

I might also be able to help you with Roy Kenny, but am not absolutely sure. It's a long story, but one of my extended family married a Kenny and they were from Mufulira. If you can give me more information, I shall find out.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 11:24:50 (UTC)


HI there,
Anybody out in the Cyber World who could help me locate some guys who were all at St Francis College - Kitwe.
John Dorrington ex Luanshya
Neville Beresford
Roy Kenny ex Muf.
Gareth Williams ex Kitwe
and Alan Davidson
Please contact me.
Hope there is someone out there who Knows the whereabouts of these Gentlemen
Thanks
Simon Penstone


Simon PenstoneClick here to contact me
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 10:36:15 (UTC)


Heather,
I often wondered what happened to Josh Weller. Please pass on my regards when next you meet. Is his son still a PH in Zim?
Regarding Scrumpy Jack's : Tess and I are meeting Pat and his brother, who's visting from Gauteng, at his pub at 17h00 today. Will let you know what his plans are for the opening.
Elias,
My parents have just received a congradulatory card from the Queen on their Diamond Wedding anniversary. They, being "royalist", named me after 'wing-nut'. Thanks for the input regarding the Scotti pronunciation. Is this where the word "CHU'RLIsh" comes from? Jokes aside - I'm fond of the Scottish.
Regards

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 08:50:33 (UTC)


Arthur,

You have mentioned this to me in email:

Dawie

I think you missed a posting I made especially for you on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 14:13:10 (PDT) you may want to go look at it as I noticed you mentioned Kansanshi on the Message Board this evening.

There is a row of houses in one photo - one of them may of been yours but if not you're sure to recognise the place anyway.

Arthur, please accept my apologies for not noticing this posting you made for me in honour of the founding of the Great North Road, six years ago on my birthday 28 April.

I cannot remember what I was doing on 1 May. But I have since gone back and read the piece.

I notice it was written in 1955. We had by then left Kansanshi to return to Nkana, where I was enrolling at Prince Charles Primary School.

None of the houses in one of the photos of Kansanshi included ours. They were much too new and modern. Our house, along with the friends and people we knew there, were much more rudimentary. They were rondaavels constructed of mud and thatch, and the walls were white-washed. I remember that the window sills were low and that as as very young boy, I was able to climb out of them from my cot. I did this one New Year's Night when no one was home, and I escaped into the African night.

But that was a story I have already related.

I did recognise the mine and town from the top of the hill.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 08:24:30 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

June 8th, 2002:

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 07:52:29 (UTC)


Dave Cooper
Dave, just some twaddle to cheer you up about another strange Zambian character called Nicco Struyff. He was one of your adopted countrymen, a real Dutchman and a signwriter by trade. In the old days all the businesses had their names hand painted outside their buildings and Nicco did a roaring business. Even today you can find old billboards and old buildings with handpainted signs and "Struyff Signs" in tiny gold italics underneath. He used to drive around in an old panel van and after each job that he completed he would paint the identical sign in minature on his van. His wife had an artificial leg, not one these fancy modern ones with a hinged knee, but a genuine wooden one, that Nicco painted pink.
Their son Wilhelm or Vim as he was known was also a character and hardly ever out of trouble. He used to ride one of those terrible B.S.A. single cylinder motorbikes that couldnt stop because the brakes faded so badly. Vim fitted a metal spike to his handlebars and skewered a few rotten tomatoes on to the spike. He lived out at Barlaston Park where the roads were terrible so at night when he met an oncomming car that didnt dim its lights, he would toss a tomato up as they passed each other and it would splat all over the windscreen, sometimes causing the poor driver to land in the drainage ditches.
Nicco was very artistic and also painted Zambian ladies topless carrying heavy loads on the heads as they traditional do. These paintings were much in demand until Nicco suddenly stopped painting them after he was severely beaten up by an irate Zambian who recognised his wife on a painting and burst into his studio while she was posing for him.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 23:12:22 (UTC)


Hey, Elias,
if Heather exposed herself to me, it would'nt be my Norton Anti Virus that that would be a problem.

Bill(William T.C.) KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 20:47:36 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft, (The Secret Censor)
Heather,I think all the U.K. addressees need a public apology from you for exposing yourself and causing corruption on our computers. Your exposure has caused my Norton Anti Virus to disappear completely!
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 19:03:01 (UTC)


Johnny Green,

Did you know I spent my early youth in Kansanshi? I have posted about this in the past on this message board. Also there used to be some photos on my entry in the old Names directory which were taken of my family in and around Kansanshi. There was a great shot of my ma swigging a bottle of beer on an old wooden bridge, circa 1954.

Dad worked at Kansanshi during the "second expedition." Like the first expedition in the 1930's (I think), the mine flooded. The "third expedition" (I think George Absolom's family of Philip Street, Nkana-East) was involved in that in the mid to late 1950's also closed down due to flooding.

You might recall my "almost was eaten by a leopard" story and the old Arab slaver graveyard of Kansanshi. These have all been recounted on the Great North Road before.

I have many memories (as young as I was) surprisingly of Kansanshi, and it is a topic of great enjoyment and animation with my family.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 18:12:44 (UTC)


Northerners!

A couple of notes to cover my proverbial here.
  1. The virus that I mentioned in my virus alert yesterday was not sent from either of my computers or any of my servers. The reason for the mea culpa was because it was sent to an e-mail address which was actually a list of 174 addresses of GNR members in the UK. This address was supposed to be a secret but, due to a mistake in some instructions I gave to Heather (who sent a message to the list), the secret address was exposed. Now, someone on the list is infected with the virus in question. The virus noted an e-mail address it hadn't seen before, and sent itself to that address. The result was that most of the 174 people on the list received a copy of the virus. However, because this virus masks the real sender, I cannot tell who is infected. If you live in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland) and you have an entry in the Names Directory, then please do a virus scan on your computer with the latest updated software. One of you is infected and you probably don't even know it. Yes, it could be you. In the meantime, I have fixed the mistake I made (and deleted the secret address that was exposed) and this will not happen again.
  2. I have communicated with Alix on the apparently-strange post below. I have told her what I think was the most likely scenario, and it does not involve anybody getting around the password protection on this message board. Just to be sure, I have assigned Alix a new password. All I will say about the IP address used is that the post asking about horses was made from Perth using the same ISP that Alix uses.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 17:41:08 (UTC)



Gordon yes you are right it was Kansanshi that I went to and as you say I seem to remember there was a water problem there that is what closed it down, but with the advanced submersibles that they have today and as I remmember the climb up to the mine was long and high so it should not be a problem today dewatering, it might flood Solwezi town but I dont think they would miss it although I called in there in the 70's and they had a new nice little pub going there but I canot remember the name of it but maybe some one may tell us, I hope this new combine does start up mining for the sake of the country. cheers mate Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 17:20:27 (UTC)


Charlie Cartmill
I have just spent the last hour and a half speaking with Josh Weller, who sends his best wishes. He is in Lusaka as the 'advance party' for a team of RAF personnel who will be here during July to refurbish vehicles, firearms etc for the Zambia Wildlife Authority. Exercise Helping Hand. I shall hopefully be joining them for a few days on this exercise.

Now about this reunion at Scrumpy Jack's - when will he have finished refurbishing it?

Gordon Garlick
Jim did give me a message for you from Sylvia or perhaps I should say that judging from the politeness of the message, it was probably from him, so I shall not post it on this board.

Marilyn Noall
Watch out for Elias - you should see some of the emails that I receive from him - he bombards me continuously with things like:

'Wherabouts are you now?'

'Stockport with Arthur!!!!!!!'

'I still haven't recovered from the shock of you cavorting with all those strange men. Dave Cooper in particular!!!! How could you?'

And to think that he has the guts to say this after he promises that he will come to the Reunion in Wallasey and then chickens out at the last minute.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 15:00:34 (UTC)


Charles Cartmill
Charles, wasnt "Charley" a popular perfume a little while ago?
In some parts of Dundee if you pronounce "Charles" as it is spelt, you are immediately accused of being posh or English or both.
This is the proper way to pronounce Charles in Scottish:-
CHU..RRRRRRRRRELS.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 13:17:50 (UTC)


ALIX
There is something strange going on with your computer. I have just recieved quite an interesting porno video from your address, and couldnt get through to you to confirm if it was you that sent it. I didnt think you usually send such things. I think it has done something to my vrus catcher as well, and also the GNR Post a message wouldnt accept my name and password for quite a while. Strange.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 12:43:18 (UTC)


Alix,
That's an unusual message. I checked the log and there is only one entry for address 144.139.192.60 - implying (but not a hard-and-fast rule) that the message was not submitted by a regular NR/Zam subscriber from his/her/its usual IP address. Interesting his/her/it managed to get around the password protection.
Regards

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 12:30:53 (UTC)


Hi all.....
.the posting below charlies, is a bit on the wierd side, one, if I wanted to know about horses.....I would have asked my daughter Leah.(she is an 8 yearold with back to front knowledge of the hay eaters).....two, I didn't post it...true........and I have been out taking photos of my dear 15 year old going to her first school ball...... so something strange is going on..because the only one who has my password is me.....
Alix

Alixandria Key (née Andrews)Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 11:23:31 (UTC)


Northerners,
I’ve just spoken to the Broken Hillian with a pub in Observatory, Cape Town. He’s currently refurbishing the place – to be called “Scrumpy Jack’s” - and thinks it’s a great idea to hold a reunion there. Now we have the venue we need to set a date! Any ideas?
Alix,
Elias has been brainwashed into Highland spelling, i.e. 'Charley' instead of 'Charlie'. Must have something to do with wearing a ‘kilt’ when he was a young laddie (look back in the archives for the pic.).
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 10:53:37 (UTC)


hi didn't mean to bother you tina but do you know much about horses


Alixandria Key (née Andrews)Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 09:10:46 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

Due to terrible family circumstances, I must fly to the United States after 14 June to be with my mum in Long Beach, California.

If you would like to meet up with me while I am in the southern California area, please give me a ping or a bell.

I am thinking of people like the Honourable and Most Venerable Old Don and Original Founding Member of the Great North Road, Mr. Robert Retamal, and June Bohl and any others in that area.

On my way back to Amsterdam, I will pass through San Francisco.

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 07:19:12 (UTC)


Charlie....
Eliam...or Helium....isn't that used as an inhalant to produce squeaky voices....and Nitrous oxide.....the giggles..???
So who is the charlie that Elias refers to.???

ciao
Alix


Alixandria Key (née Andrews)Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, June 07, 2002 at 04:48:07 (UTC)


BWANA GREEN

I am sure you are talking about Kansanshi Mine whick has a high grade but small tonnage. I think the the problem with Kansanshi was manigi manzi (more than Bancroft). Kansanshi is about 10 miles north of Solwezi. Lumwana is a very big tonnage but a low grade (maybe .75%to 1.75%)but has the advantage of being shallow and therefore open pittable.
On an unrelated matter knoffle(Africaans)ajo(Spanish) and garlic (English) is a very healthy and valuable food supplements. Garlick (me) is a very unhealthy and useless food item.
Cheers Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 20:03:04 (UTC)


VIRUS ALERT!

Due to a mail server configuration mistake made by yours truly, an old virus has slipped through the GNR mail server and was sent to all UK members.

If you receive a message with an attachment from hahaha@sexyfun.net and with a subject line referring to Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, please delete it and the attachment without opening it.

If your anti-virus software is up-to-date, then it will catch this one as it's a very old worm. It's called W95.Hybris.gen and you can read about it on the Symantec Web site.

My apologies.



Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 18:37:02 (UTC)


Heather,
That goes without saying! Of course you're welcome!. I still must run the concept past the 'new publican' to see what he thinks about it. I'm sure he'll welcome all NR/Zams (are you reading this Mr B?).
Marilyn Noall,
Beware of Greeks baring (sic) gifts!
Regards



Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 14:50:49 (UTC)



Meneer Garlic I am suprised when you say that the copper was low grade at Solwezi I know nothing about grades but I remember on my one and only visit to the existing mine in the company of Doug Cornish, and Bernard Winall the chief Engineer and the secretary of Nchanga mine at the time, seeing chunks of pure copper ore laid around on the surface where the arabs had tunelled into the hill all those years ago I canot remember what the reason for our visit was now but remember that all the offices were intact as they were abandoned many years before, the clocks still on the walls and the pens and papers still on the desks exactly as they were left, I think at that time the price of copper must have risen and we were doing a feasability study to see what it would take to bring it to life again, what ever it was never started up in my time but if any wars break out it could be used again but I hate to think what those 2 hundred tonners would do to the Solwezi road. Regards Johnny.
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Mrs Noall you could get a hard time from some of the band of brothers and sisters on this board it would only be in fun of course but you could consider (Noalittlebit) love Johnny.








john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 13:50:16 (UTC)


Marilyn Noall (Shooter)
Hi Marilyn, thanks for the kind words, but you forgot to mention that I also have a loud mouth, continually put my foot in things, annoy GNR readers, infuriate GNR organisers who are continuously having to edit and clean up my messages and issue appologies, apart from that welcome and hope to see some messages from you.
Best regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 12:58:57 (UTC)


Charlie
Is this only for Broken Hillians or are you excluding us Lusakans? Because if you let me know in good time and it is not during my deadline, I might join you - I have these air tickets that I have to use up.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 11:39:05 (UTC)


Alix,
I concur – what a nice name Eliam! Sounds like laughing gas. I wonder if Eliam knows the ‘Charley’ Elias sometimes refers to.
BH’ers,
I’ve just heard that ‘a wee laddie’ from Broken Hill has bought a pub in Observatory, Cape Town! That could prove a catalyst for a “Gathering of the Clan” this spring. I don’t think there’s time to arrange it for the Winter Solstice. Any suggestions?
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 10:06:38 (UTC)


Alixandria

Clive and I did the white water rafting on the Zambezi three years ago. What fun. Had people on board from all over the world, including a young girl from Japan who couldn't swim and didn't speak English. She sure could hold on tight around my neck though! The only strenuous thing about the entire day is walking up out of the gorge BUT at the end are some lovely cold beers and cokes and the best conversation flowing.

Our favourite rapid was described as "the mother of all rapids" but they were all great. Try it one day.

Whenever you have a spare hour or two one weekend, please ring me. I'd love to meet over a coffee or two.


Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 05:03:33 (UTC)


Elias,

Just read the article by Mildred Mulenga regarding Phelps Dodge and Equinox. What a coincidence, Equinox has just moved into our building in Perth and I couldn't find any information on them.

I'm a Kitwe girl and I'm really pleased to read that the town is alive and progressing.

By the way, you seem to be a mine field of information and are probably the most well-read (informed) person on this wonderful site of ours. That's not to say that everyone else isn't well informed, well read, ....... (Just covering myself here).

Marilyn Noall (nee Shooter)

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 04:48:55 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

June 5th, 2002:
  • Made several changes to various things related to the Names Directory including: display of maiden and former names in the main list; better handling of place of current residence (including adding that information to the individual listings); removed string of displayed zeros for people who have chosen not to enter a birth date; added a field for names of children; and added maiden and former names to post signature on the message board.
  • I am still working on the form for adding oneself to the Names Directory. It's proving to be a bit of a challenge to make it "smart". I will get it finished as soon as possible and make an announcement here when it's available once again.
  • Once I have the form working, I will turn my attention to allowing people to edit their entries. As always, I appreciate your patience. Thanks.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 03:15:09 (UTC)


Hopefully last test.

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Canada
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 01:35:54 (UTC)


Another test.

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 01:34:32 (UTC)


ELIAS.

The only copper I know of in Solwezi area is the Lumwana deposit about 40/50 miles west of Solwezi. This deposit is a large low grade deposit which was prospected by many RST geolists under my Dad. Dr. Hamish McGregor, Dave Benham, Jimmy Lee Potter, Curley Ellis just to name a few. A little research and I could name a whole bunch of guys. For those who know the place it had one of the best prospecting camps in all of Zambia. The main camp house was built of stone overlooking the Lumwana stream and the bath house was fantastic. The long drop was perched on the top of a very big anthill. A lot of fun was had there over the years. Because of the low grade and its distance from any sort of viable infrastructure I would be supprised to see it become a viable mine.
regards Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 01:31:11 (UTC)


Mr Elias Pupolopoulous,

In reference to my posting of August 24, 2001,it was a claim to have copper not CuSO4-5H2O in my blood. (Copper sulfate pentahydrate)
Folk lore states that copper sulfate (US) tends to limpify the old Rhodesian giloga stick. Perish the thought old chap.
AWTM(and wait there's more) I do not have any "best friends" here or anywhere else in the world.

Heather Chalcraft,

What the hell is Jim Smith doing riding a motor cycle for? He should be swimming somewhere and not fooling aroung on bikes. Or he could be home in Perth looking after my niece.
Darrell Siddall is an old Kalulushi boy who's father I refered to last month. He looks just like his father, Ginger Siddall.
Regards Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, June 06, 2002 at 01:15:45 (UTC)


Sorry to do this, but this is just a test.

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 23:41:11 (UTC)


It is with sadness that I have just learned of the passing of Andries Myberg.

Heather and Grant Knowles
I would like to send my condolences to Hannes and family, but have no way to contact him. Could you please pass a message for me, or contact me with his email address. Thank you.

Linda HayesClick here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 21:56:08 (UTC)


Gordon Garlick
Gordon, there was some discussion a while ago about the Copper Sulphate in your blood, so do you you think there is any truth in this report taken from your local "New Jersey Online". Is there any copper in Solwezi? Or is this another swindle like the battery factory in Mansa because of the Managanese there, or the oil that was supposed be in Luangwa Valley.
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By MILDRED MULENGA
The Associated Press
6/3/02 4:00 PM


KITWE, Zambia (AP) -- Phelps Dodge Corp., the world's second largest copper producer, is considering joining a joint venture with Australian minerals explorer Equinox Resources to start a new copper mine in Zambia, Equinox managers said Monday.

Equinox managing director Craig Williams said his company and its partners were considering creating a new copper mine in Solwezi, in the northwest of the country.

According to Williams, the group could invest up to $13.5 million in the project where they would hope to mine 100,000 tons of copper and about 18,000 ounces of gold a year in addition to uranium and cobalt.

Phelps Dodge, based in Phoenix, Ariz., is the world's second largest producer of copper with operations in mines and manufacturing facilities in 27 countries.
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Regards
Elias.
ps. Mildred Mulenga is no relation to your best friend Brian Mulenga.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 17:43:24 (UTC)


Hi All
Ah the Great North Road......... a nice distraction from researching Classicism vs Romanticism...a little art history assignment for a fifteen yearold that seems to think Mother dear has all the time in the world to help her..ah well

Heather
Thanks for the info, looks and sounds very interesting.will have to take more time pondering over everything when I am in NZ .since I will be a lady of leisure...and at the moment I am a little waylaid with exams coming up next week....the bungy jumping sure looks enticing....

Elias
Wonderful article on the rafting down the Zambezi...
I have just finished a little article in last months Digest called "Dancing on Wild Waters"by a Simon Farrell,....about rafting down the Zambezi .and the wonderful descriptions of the different rapids.eg the "devils toilet bowl, stairway to Heaven....must be a very good tourist attraction...
Had to smile ,the guide had the name Eliam...no not Elias ... I wonder if he knows of the Alex you were talking about!!!

Caio
Alix

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 13:28:07 (UTC)


Heather

All that info was well worth waiting for. Thanks very much for all your hard work. I will pore over it and let you know what we would like do in the way of activities, but you know I would love to visit Shiwa. I don't suppose poor old Luanshya is worth a visit any more, but I would still like to go and have a look. Anyway it would be nice to go and see Reg Hughes who kindly took a photo of our old house and emailed it to me.

Artie

Welcome back. Glad you found your heart again and hope you enjoyed the fishing.

Fiona GaytherClick here to contact me
UK
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 08:29:44 (UTC)


WOW! Heather!
Thanks for all the hard work you have obviously put into the beginning stages of this reunion! This gives us a lot to look at.

Linda HayesClick here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 05:39:28 (UTC)


WARNING - I am sure I have made a million mistakes on the HTML. If so, please bear with me until Craig wakes up and can sort it out for me.


ZAMBIAN REUNION
SEPTEMBER 2003


Northerners

At long last, some of the information you have all been waiting for. But before I begin, I have to admit to a few things:

The first one is that I cannot at this stage give you exact costs. This is because none of the service providers are prepared to commit themselves to FINAL prices so far in advance. Unfortunately, this is very much a fact of life in Zambia where business conditions can change very rapidly, even from day to day. It is also difficult for them to commit until we have final figures, but it goes without saying that the more people there are, the cheaper it will be. So therefore, the rates quoted below are only INDICATIONS of the prices. Final prices will be confirmed closer to the time. And some of the operators have not been contacted yet - I will only do that if there is interest.

The second one is that I have had to give up on something and that is the airfares. I have spent numerous hours trying to negotiate cheap air fares into Lusaka from Europe, Australia and South Africa, but I still can't get them cheaper than some of the fares that are available on the Internet, so have decided that it would be cheaper for those travelling to arrange their own flights. Having said that, I should, closer to the time, be able to get fairly cheap flights from Johannesburg to Livingstone, so you should perhaps consider flying from Europe/North America to Johannesburg (you would, in any case, have to go via Johannesburg if you are coming from Australia) rather than direct to Lusaka.

The third admission I have to make is that I have not finalised the date yet. But I am looking at somewhere around 25 September 2003. I know I had originally said April 2003, but have changed this for a number of reasons - in April there is still a lot of malaria around whereas in September there is very little malaria and some places are totally free of it and in April some places are still inaccessible after our rains. Of course September also has it's downside - the Vic Falls will be fairly empty and it will already be quite hot, but not unbearable. Also, the end of September is a good time as it is not high season in terms of inter-continental air travel.

So what is the format of this Reunion? I am sure I have said this before, but I am looking at a maximum of four days in one place, after which you can all go off to the different places you want to visit. All the information I have collected is listed below, with links to web pages for those that have them. Where they do not have web pages, we shall be posting photographs etc on a separate page on the GNR. This information will be updated as and when it becomes available. You will be advised of any updates through the message board or directly through email if you have been in direct contact with me regarding your requirements.

THE MAIN EVENT
Venue: Sun International, Livingstone
Costs:
Zambezi Sun (Three Star) - US$ 70 per person sharing a double room or US$ 100 per person in a single room.
Royal Livingstone (Five Star) - US$ 150 per person sharing a double room or US$ 175 per person in a single room.
Both these rates include bed, full English breakfast and park fee which gives you unlimited access to the Victoria Falls.
For further info on the hotel Sun International

Activities in Livingstone
The following activities are available in Livingstone

Cruises on the Zambezi African Queen Cruises
Breakfast Cruise US$ 44 (min. 30 pax)
Lunch cruise US$ 44
Sundowner cruise US$ 44
Dinner Cruise US$ 72 (includes house wines and beer)(min. 80 pax, but I may be able to negotiate for less)
These prices includes transfers to and from the hotel, beverages and snacks (or meals where applicable).

'The Flight Of Your Life' Helicopter Flights
15 minute flight - US$ 75 (min. 4 pax)
30 minute flight - US$ 150 (min. 4 pax)

Rafting Bundu Adventures
Full day (low water rapids 1 - 23 or high water rapids 10 - 26) US$ 68
Includes lunch, drinks, park fees, transfers

Canoeing Bundu Adventures (Min 2 pax)
Full day US$ 60
Half day US$ 56
Includes lunch, drinks, park fees, transfers

Riverboarding Bundu Adventures
Full day Riverboard/Raft combo US$ 92
Includes lunch, drinks, park fees, transfers

River Safaris - Jet Boat (Min 2 pax)
Morning River Safari US$ 60.00
Midday River Safari US$ 60.00
Sunset River Safari US$ 60.00

Microlight
15 Minute Microlight US$ 80.00
30 Minute Microlight US$ 140.00

Elephant Back Safaris (Min 4 pax)
Half Day Elephant Back Safari US$ 100.00

Fishing Upper Zambezi (Min 2 pax)
Half Day Fishing US$ 90.00
Full Day Fishing US$ 110.00

Jet Boat Extreme (Min 4 pax)
30 Minute Jet Boat Ride US$ 60.00
Easy Zambezi (Jet-Heli) US$ 160.00

Abseil Gorge Swing (Min 2 pax)
Half Day Abseil/Gorge Swing US$ 85.00
Full Day Abseil/Gorge Swing US$ 95.00

Bungi Jumping US$ 90.00

Tours can also be arranged to Mukuni Village, Livingstone Museum, Railway Museum, Maramba Market and an Historic Tour Of Livingstone, but it will be cheaper to grab a taxi and do it on your own. Golf and tours of the Mosi-oa-Tunya Game Park can also be arranged.

ACCOMMODATION IN OTHER PLACES THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO VISIT

Kitwe:
Copperfields Guest House - US$ 50 pppn single or US$ 70 for a double room
Eagle Guest House - US$ 55 pppn or US$ 65 for a double room
Hotel Edinburgh - US$ 60 for a twin/double room, US$ 75 for a luxury double (includes full English breakfast)
The Town House - - US$ 52 pppn single or US$ 80 for a double room
Mukwa Guest House(www.zambiatourism.com/mukwa/index.htm) Single US$55, Double US$ 65

Chingola
Chingola Protea Hotel - I don't have the rates to hand but will be able to negotiate a favourable rate. Budget around US$ 70 pppn. There are also a number of smaller guest houses which are cheaper, but whether these will still be in business next year, I don't know.

Lusaka:
Lilayi Lodge US$ 80 for a single room or US$ 90 for a double room (includes breakfast, game drive)
Lechwe Lodge
There are numerous other places in Lusaka, but I have not contacted them. Depending on the interest and your requirements, I can negotiate rates with them.

Luangwa Game Park
Most of the lodges in Luangwa have got together and quoted us a rate of US$ 200 pppn. These lodges include:
Mfuwe Lodge
Robin Pope Safaris
Kapani Lodge

Chinzombo have quoted us a rate of US$ 150 pppn which includes full board, game viewing, park entry fees and transfer ex Mfuwe Airport.

There are many other lodges in the Luangwa whom I have not yet contacted, but if there is interest, I shall do so:
Kaingo Safari Lodge
Kafunta River Lodge
Luamfwa Lodge
Chibembe Lodge
Chichele Lodge

Kafue Game Park
I have not yet contacted any of the operators in the Kafue Game Park, but there are a number:
Ntemwa Tented Lodge and Busanga Plains Tented Camp
Lufupa Lodge, Shumba Camp, Kafwala Lodge Busanga(www.zambiatourism.com/busanga),
Puku Pan
Lunga River Lodge

Shiwa (The Africa House) and Kapishya Hot Springs
Am waiting for final information from Charlie and Mark, which I expect in the next few days. I will come back with the information.

Lake Tanganyika
Don't have the information yet for Kasaba Bay and Nkamba Bay on Lake Tanganyika. I will come back with the information.

Kasanka National Park
Trips can also be done to Kasanka

Lower Zambezi
Wild Tracks(www.wildtracks.info) US$ 45 pppn all inclusive
Chiawa Camp
Mwambashi
Kayila
Chongwe Fishing Camp

Other places
More information will be added soon to cover Mpata Gorge, Siavonga, Chisamba

TRAVEL WITHIN ZAMBIA
Travel within Zambia can either be by bus (there are 12 seaters and 64 seaters available) or by air, both commerical or chartered flights. Rates will have to be negotiated based on the number of people. Car Hire information will also follow in due course.

PLEASE CONTACT ME
If you are thinking of attending, please can you contact me (heather@lowdown.co.zm) and give me an indication of how many people and what, if anything, you would like to do after the main event and I will take it from there. And if you don't see what you are looking for, just let me know and I'll tell you whether it is available or not.

Keep watching this space for further information.

Heather ChalcraftClick here to contact me
Lusaka
Wednesday, June 05, 2002 at 02:52:52 (UTC)


Arty
Great photos posted! I promise to behave myself, but remember that I am skizofrenic at times. Cannot guarantee the behaviour of other personalities within myself. Remember, too, that I am a respectable, married woman, pushing 50. Perish the thought...

Elias
What a great story about rafting. I could feel the mist fogging up my glasses. Please be advised that a contingent of crack NR trackers have been dispatched to kidnap you for the Banbury Bash. It would be adviseable to make advance plans.

Heather
Thanks for always working so hard for us, with pictures, resources, etc. You are very much appreciated!


Linda HayesClick here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 23:44:10 (UTC)


Northerners !

Some more extracts follow from the Rhokana Reviews which I will post from time to time. Some of these detail the building and opening of many schools we attended years ago as children.

Any Nkana-Kitweans remember going here?

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This was a regular trip out for some of us kids, best viewed in the evening time for maximum effect. Better than anything TV could offer at that time. I'm hoping to eventually come across a photo in colour which I am sure will turn up one day soon.

Craig is still working on the Names Directory - this has involved a lot of time and work, hopefully he will be able to have it ready and working very soon. I know there are many new potential members and posters waiting in the wings.


Linda Dore - I see you are attending Banbury - what's all this about "Babies" "Believe it or not" and "Excitement is mounting" - Banbury is a very respectable town and Brasso is expecting you to be on your best behaviour. Mounting can also be very dangerous nowdays.

Johnny Green - You are VERY quiet - what are you up to ? Hope you're not overworking that pigs valve you have in your heart too much.

Peter Dielissen - Congratulations

Lynn Szeftel - belated "Happy Birthday" - as usual my blonde assistant has extended her two week holiday into a month. I think Craig was stretching it a bit calling her the GNR "Fairy".

Marion - Told you Chisamba was a good website! - hope you find some of your old friends soon.

Heather - did you remember to ask Francois D'Elbee for a chameleon pic? The The Bush And Eye book is something I will be looking forward to if it's anything like the Waterfalls of Zambia book you sent me. A fantastic book with stunning photography - I recommend it to all of you who love Zambia.

To those who's e-mail I have not responded to the last few weeks - I hope to catch up over the next few days.


Arthur





Magnificent New Senior Schools For Northern Rhodesia

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For years now the Northern Rhodesia Department of European Education has been suffering from an acute shortage of permanent school buildings. In the years since the war the Territory's pace of development has been such that amenities in every sphere - not only education - have fallen far below the minimum requirements. Temporary accommodation has been found and temporary buildings erected to meet the demand.

At the same time every effort has been made to plan for the future by the establishment of permanent buildings.

In the educational sphere, as the standard of education has progressed and as the number of scholars increased, senior standards have been opened. Usually these classes, which provided secondary education for the Territory's children, were housed in buildings designed to accommodate primary classes.

Additions and alterations to existing buildings soon made them suitable for the purpose to which they were to be put.

But at last Northern Rhodesia has two schools, which, from the first sketch lines on the architect's drawing board, were intended for secondary education. Both schools - the Gilbert Rennie for boys and the Jean Rennie for girls - are situated at Kabulonga just outside Lusaka.

Built at a cost which will finally be about £1,880,000, the schools stand adjacent to each other and are practically identical. Together they will accommodate 1,200 pupils. Despite the apparent high cost - about £1,500 per pupil - the Director of European Education, Professor T. Williams, says they are not luxurious but ' they are planned to include all facilities which are today considered essential for a good secondary education - no more than that'.

They include not only classrooms, but laboratories, demonstration rooms, gymnasia, libraries, rooms for art, music, manual training or domestic science, medical rooms, prefects' rooms, staff rooms and the usual administrative offices.

Eight hostels are planned to house 60 children each, and the two dining rooms - one for boys, one for girls - can provide lunch for day scholars as well as catering for 480 boarders.

A complete 'school town' is arising on the schools' 218-acre site, and it is so self-contained that it will include its own sewerage scheme, two 165-watt electric generators, homes for 40 teachers and 125 African staff, and central heating in living rooms and classrooms. There is provision for every kind of extramural activity.

Mr. Williams adds: 'The two schools, with all these necessary adjuncts and with all initial equipment, with roads, storm water drains, and the laying out of the grounds, furniture and equipment, were planned as one comprehensive scheme. 'This is quite unlike most schools, which grow in the course of time, and whose costs are spread over many years. In the case of the Rennie Schools, the full cost can be shown at once: It is not spread over many Government votes and over many years. In this light, the cost is not so great'.

The schools, though close together, will not be co-educational. But they are close enough together to allow for a great deal of co-operation both in extramural activities and in the more advanced subject work.

The kind of detail in which the two schools differ is, for instance, in domestic science and handicrafts. The girls' school has a domestic science hall complete with dummy, brick-built walls to look like the corner of a flat or bedroom so that practice in curtaining, bed-making and so on is done in natural surroundings. The boys' school has a fully equipped workshop for handicrafts in metal and wood.

Each classroom in the two schools is designed for a particular subject, so that the teacher's aids will be in an adjoining storeroom. Each classroom has lockers for books so that pupils may have the right books in the right classroom.

Extracted from the Rhokana Review - February 1955




Arthur

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When I was in Amsterdam, Dawie and I were wondering past the Bloemenmarkt and saw these flame lily plants and tubers. They were Gloriosa Rothschildiana and the flowers were bigger and more orange that our wild ones - I guess that must be because of all the steroids and hormones that they have been fed. I bought some tubers and will plant them at the appropriate time and see how they do here. I shall report back in due course.


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Doreen Hodgkinson (Adelaide Abraham's mother) taken when I was in Chingola in March.


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Theo Antill, also taken in Chingola when I was there in March


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Muzi Smart (who served with Johnny Green in the NRP) also of Chingola


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Many Chingola people might remember Darrell Siddall


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George Maxwell's mate, Jim Smith. George, Jim came into the office just a few days after I got back so I took this photo for you.

Unfortunately I cannot post the other photo I took of him as it might offend some of our readers. But then two days later he went off and broke his arm falling off a motorbike. I reserve my comments about whether that was stupid or what.


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Elias has made mention of Paul Golson on a number of occasions, so here is one of him at a 'cookout' last year in November and one of him taken last week in his working attire



Herewith some photos taken at Richard Sampson's 80th birthday party on 22 April 2002.

Richard Sampson was Mayor of Lusaka, as was Jack Fisher. Many Lusaka residents may also remember Daphne McGillivary (now Webber) who owned a clothing shop, Beatnik, in Lusaka

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Mike Wood ex- Northern Rhodesia Army


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L. to R. Roy Radbourne, Jack Fisher, Lesley Ing (nee Sampson), Siegrid Fisher, Richard Sampson


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L. to R. Lesley Ing, Roy Radbourne, Daphne Webber


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L. to R. Siegrid Fisher, Lesley Ing, Andrea Berry Ottaway (nee Sampson).



Heather




SOBEK, White water rafting.


A really exciting experience is a trip from the bottom of the Victoria Falls over the huge rapids on the Zambezi River in an inflatable boat. A group of us went on a trip when SOBEK had just started their trips. We stayed in some chalets in Livingstone and met early in the morning for a thorough lesson of how to stay in the boat, what to do if you get thrown out and instructions how to stop the boat capsizing through the rapids.

After climbing down a narrow slippery path cut into the side of the Gorge we started at the Boiling Pot and joined our convoy of three boats. A weird feeling was leaving the scorching dry heat at the top and gradually coming down to almost cold, misty, darkness. Another strange view was passing under the Victoria Falls Bridge high above us.

The first few rapids were quite gentle, but then we could hear a roar in the distance and a cloud of mist. Alex our guide, stopped the boat momentarily looking for the best way through because the rapids are never the same and constantly change. Off we went with Alex frantically trying to keep us away from submerged rocks and huge whirlpools. We were instructed not to panic if the boat capsized over a whirlpool because we would only be sucked to the bottom of the river and our life jackets would pull us up? The boat ahead of us flipped over and we stopped to tow a few of the women back to their overturned boat. Another instruction was if you flip out when you are in the rapids, don't panic, don't try and swim just lift your knees up to your chest and go feet first through the rapids.

The sensation of going through these rapids is like those huge roller-coasters at amusement-parks. If you can imagine how wide and powerful the Zambezi is only to have it compressed into a tiny narrow gorge gives you an idea of the force of the water. One of the rapids was so steep that we had to stop and carry the boat round to the bottom and start again.

At lunchtime we stopped at a calm sandy beach and had a prepacked lunch and swam without having to worry about hippos, crocodiles or bilhartzia. Late in the afternoon we reached the end of our trip and had to make a trek up a zig zag roughly chopped path up the vertical side of the gorge to meet a convoy of trucks that ferried us and the boats back to Livingstone.

A few years later we made the same journey but took a two day trip where we camped overnight and the next day almost reached the start of Lake Kariba. We thought this trip would be really scary as the river was flooded, but the floods actually made the rapids smoother.

Recently I was watching a B.B.C. documentary about whitewater rafting and coincidently, Alex the black man in the picture was being interviewed about his experiences. Us men didn't like him very much mainly because we had a bunch of expatriate white women with us and they kept remarking how handsome and masculine he was which really riled the more racist amongst us.

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The picture of us coming down a rapid is one of the tamest rapids. The woman on the black rocks is at the campsite looking for a place to "wee". There are no toilets. One great thing the SOBEK company was was they made a video from one of the boats which was a great memento.

Apparently this part of the Zambezi is ranked as one of the best and toughest whitewater rapids in the world. Trips are advertised here on the river Tay, but it seems a complete paddle.

Elias






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley Stockport Cheshire UK
Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 22:43:30 (UTC)


Northerners
I have just finished speaking on the telephone with Francois D'Elbee. Francois is a photographer, but his work is more art than photography. Printing of his latest book, The Bush And Eye, is almost complete and the book will be on the shelves during July. It is a photographic essay on the Lower Zambezi Game Park and contains 150 wildlife photographs.

Many of you (Dave, Arthur, Craig, Fiona, Margaret de Lange) have already seen Waterfalls of Zambia and I shall make sure that there are some copies of The Bush And Eye available at Banbury in September. We are now working on having both these books available through Exclusive Books in South Africa and also Select Books and hopefully we will also succeed in having them distributed in the UK and USA. I shall keep you updated.

Heather ChalcraftClick here to contact me
Lusaka
Tuesday, June 04, 2002 at 13:07:58 (UTC)


This message has been edited to comply with the Code of Conduct.

Castro Chiluba-The worm has turned
Castro Chiluba a son of the ex president, Commonly known as Castrol or Castor Oil because he broke the law with impunity, and was never charged with anything, until today.

Suddenly when his father was no longer president and Castro had no protection, he disappeared and was too afraid to be seen in public in case the Instant Justice Brigade sorted him out. He made a brief appearance with his mothers backing saying he had "reformed" and was now working on a pathetic road safety scheme for children. This fizzled out and he disappeared again.

Now to the jubilation of the Zambian public he was arrested for posession of drugs and for his own safety and at his own request he has been locked up at Ndola Police station.
Some of the police officers he assaulted have requested transfers to Ndola to "guard" him. I am sure they will do an excellent job of "guarding" him.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 22:29:48 (UTC)


Men,beware of Widowed Zambian Women
It can get expensive if you get taken to court. This is a report from the Local Court printed in todays Zambia Post.
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Man pays K225,000 for 'room and board'

By Liseli Kayumba
A local court has ordered a 34-year-old man who shacked-up with a widow for three months with the promise of marriage to pay K225,000 compensation for "room and board".
This was in the matter in which Dorothy Chihenya, 31, of Lusaka's Kanyama compound sued Matford Chiwoka for breech of marriage contract. Chihenya told presiding justice Sainet Chitambo, that Chiwoka approached her at the beginning of the year saying he was not married and wanted somebody to look after him.
He was also interested in marriage. She agreed to his proposal and he moved in with her but much to her surprise one day she received court summons from Chiwoka's wife for marriage interference. Chihenya said she had since appeared in another court and was ordered to pay K800,000. "When I asked him where I will find the money he beat me up," she said.
"He came to my house," Chihenya said, prompting the court to question why Chiwoka would want marriage when he was already getting everything. In his defence, Chiwoka said he had informed Chihenya that he was already married when she accepted his proposal.
"She has only sued because of the money she was charged for marriage interference," he said. Cross-examined, Chiwoka said he had not paid anything toward the bride-price yet, but it was his intention to marry Chihenya.
Delivering judgement, justice Chitambo said Chiwoka was a crook and ordered him to pay K75,000 for each of the three-months he lived with Chihenya. He further advised Chihenya to follow the proper channels if she wanted to remarry
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Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 21:49:02 (UTC)


Brasso
Elias and I decided that I would do the mailshot and am just waiting for Craig to let me have easier access to the email addresses. It should be in the next few days.

Heather ChalcraftClick here to contact me
Lusaka
Monday, June 03, 2002 at 08:19:16 (UTC)


Peter et al,

NR content in this post is limited... please accept my apologies!

This email is written to "Stayin' Alive" by the Bee Gees as I look out of my window on a gloriously, sunny, warm, summer Amsterdam sundown which is delishly reminiscent of a perfect crystalline Cape Town afternoon!

"...i'm goin' nowhere... somebody help me!..."

Which brings me to...

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! Peter on the absolutely incredible opportunity that has come your way! Brilliant achievement! When you arrive in Amsterdam, I will shout you a couple of shots of Schelvispeckels ("Elvis' Pickle") at the Cafe Chris in fecilitation. (Actually, that is my conniving way to get you to offer me a hot computing contract position, now that you're academic decision-maker... nudge, nudge, wink, wink.)

I wanted to find out about hotels for you from Wilma's daughter Joann---she works in the industry---but Wilma is in Turkey on holidays and I need the phone number from her. I will attempt to find out myself. But if I can't, don't worry, you can always stay at my place if you don't mind crashing on a mattress on the floor in the living room. (I believe I do not have guests at the planned time of your arrival). I will post you privately.

Jacqui and Heather,

Thanks for the kind words about my translating and cultural attache' services in the Kingdom of The Belgians, and the Principality of Monaco. Your company brings out the best in me, which is a rather elusive thing to make happen. In Californian jargon: "You make it happen." (You can chuck now).

Jacqui, I would love an image of the Royal Enfield you took with me standing next to it. Although not one of the "Big" Enfields of the late '40s and early '50s, it is still an interesting single-cylinder bike... huge piston. Enfields were still made (maybe still are) in India! There are some super shots of "Big" Enfields as cafe' racers in the Mike Clay book: "The Cafe' Racer Cult".

Heather, sorry for the delay in email responses, and thanks for the phone message. All is well... I am finally over the second bout of bronchitis (which I caught at Wallasey). I made it without anti-biotics! I have been busy trying to find work, so I have been concentrating on emailing my CV and searching the net and the local ads for appropriate work. I will respond shortly---send me your phone number again please. (Remember, I lost some files on one of the computer problems I have experienced lately).

Charlie,

I never saw so much red in Monte Carlo, and although I am new to F1, I naturally supported the red team, being an admirer and fanatical supporter of ANYTHING Italian. I should have worn my yellow leather though (the temperature was too hot for leather though). When I bought my 1992 Ducati 900 Superlight motorbike, Ducati made only 300 Superlights for the American market. All other Superlights in the world were painted Ferrari red, but as a lark they decided to repaint the American-destined ones in "Ferrari yellow". I discovered the original colour behind the fairings when I ripped out the padding in attempts to make the bike lighter!

Tot ziens!


Vriendelijke groeten...


DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM



Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam
Sunday, June 02, 2002 at 09:56:13 (UTC)


Greenwich Meantime .......

Now that Craig has us all simonizing our chronometers,
and we now know when it is evening in Zambia or morning in Australia, I am reminded of the radio announcers on ZBC shortly after they took to the airways in October 1964 proudly announce " hit his thirteen hours Greewich, mean time, here his the news "

Meantime it is 23:00 hours here in Ottawa Canada, 20:00 hours where Craig lives and I wish you all a good evening as I head of to bed.


Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
705-1285 Richmond Rd., Ottawa, Canada, K2B 7Z4
Sunday, June 02, 2002 at 03:03:00 (UTC)


Hello everyone,

hope you all are having lovely weather! we are! I have a web page up, and was thrilled to get an e mail from someone who lived in Chisamba for a while and actually knew some of my neighbours! It is after all a small world. Now i need to find a way to get to the Banbury Bash, so that someone who actually lived in northern rhodesia will know who i am! :) you know how i am always grumbling that no one remembers me!

that is said tongue in cheek so elias dont tell me to stop being a cry baby.

good wishes to all
marion

Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
USA
Sunday, June 02, 2002 at 02:00:59 (UTC)


Lynn Szeftel
wishing you a belated Happy birthday....
from another Lusakan....(by birth)
Alix....

Craig....OOOOPS..SORRY.......


ciao
Alix

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 23:42:19 (UTC)


Diane sewley

Ohhhhh sincerest humble apologies - am on bended knees to U. Sooooo sorry for missing U of the Banbury Bash list of attendees posted below. Bad day in Oxfordshire and am wee bit tired! I know you are comming to bash!

Lynn Szeftel

We think Banbury is not too far from Manchester so would be most delighted to have "That other Lusakaan" attend Banbury Bash. Please e. mail me and confirm if U are attending. See my postings in May message Board for hotel details. Events sections gives Bash venue. The Evenleighs are from Lusaka too and are attending.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 21:12:41 (UTC)


Elias,

You are too kind. many thanks . You are not such a bad chicken after all.


Northerners.
From the Weekly Telegraph this week.
Quote :
"Sir Cecil Burney, BT
Sir Cecil Burney, 3rd Bt, who has died aged 79, was one of the last white MPs in the Zambian parliament.

Burney became a member of the Legislative Council of the British protectorate of Northern Rhodesia in 1959. He acted in negotiations over the future of the Central African Federation - the union of Northern and Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland, seen by British governments of the 1950s as the blueprint for decolonisation, but which was opposed by black leaders.

Over the following two years,the possibility of a multi-racial settlement for the Federation foundered and it was duly dissolved at the end of 1963, and Northern Rhodesia became independent Zambia, with Kenneth Kaunda as its president,in October 1964. Burney was one of 10 white former Legislative Councillors to sit in parliament on the "reserved roll". He was member for the northern town of Ndola until 1968, and was also chairman of the public accounts committtee.
Burney made no secret of his concerns about Africa's future when he returned to England in 1970. But he remained on friendly terms with Kaunda,and proudly retained his Zambian citizenship until the end of his life.
Cecil Denniston Burney was born on January 8 1923, the only child of Sir Charles Burney,2nd Bt." Unquote.

He was for many years John Roberts's partner and I knew him slightly.
Condolences to his family and may his soul rest in peace.

Banbury Bash.
Could I travel from Manchester for the p...up and would I be able to stagger back again the same day?

That other Lusakaan





Lynn SzeftelClick here to contact me

Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 20:29:53 (UTC)


Elias,

You are too kind. many thanks . You are not such a bad chicken after all.


Northerners.
From the Weekly Telegraph this week.
Quote :
"Sir Cecil Burney, BT
Sir Cecil Burney, 3rd Bt, who has died aged 79, was one of the last white MPs in the Zambian parliament.

Burney became a member of the Legislative Council of the British protectorate of Northern Rhodesia in 1959. He acted in negotiations over the future of the Central African Federation - the union of Northern and Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland, seen by British governments of the 1950s as the blueprint for decolonisation, but which was opposed by black leaders.

Over the following two years,the possibility of a multi-racial settlement for the Federation foundered and it was duly dissolved at the end of 1963, and Northern Rhodesia became independent Zambia, with Kenneth Kaunda as its president,in October 1964. Burney was one of 10 white former Legislative Councillors to sit in parliament on the "reserved roll". He was member for the northern town of Ndola until 1968, and was also chairman of the public accounts committtee.
Burney made no secret of his concerns about Africa's future when he returned to England in 1970. But he remained on friendly terms with Kaunda,and proudly retained his Zambian citizenship until the end of his life.
Cecil Denniston Burney was born on January 8 1923, the only child of Sir Charles Burney,2nd Bt." Unquote.

He was for many years John Roberts's partner and I knew him slightly.
Condolences to his family and may his soul rest in peace.

Banbury Bash.
Could I travel from Manchester for the p...up and would I be able to stagger back a

Lynn SzeftelClick here to contact me

Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 20:28:50 (UTC)


Garry Brasso
Garry, I think Heather might be arranging a mailshot if Craig can give her direct email access to the names register so that she wont have to do each shot individually.
Regards
elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 19:55:40 (UTC)


Linda Dore Hayes

I got your e. mail and pictures. Please do not bring 2 truck loads of our esteemed departed Beautious' family to Banbury Bash! There will not be enough nshima & kapenta to go around them all. Hee hee!

I love the idea of attendees to the Banbury Bash bringing pictures of each other in bygone days and playing "guess the person" - what say U Bashers?

Elias G

As a participant in the GNR Publicity Dept. here is your 1st task. Please do an e. mail shot to all UK Northerners listed in the names directory advising them of the Banbury Bash - details of bash are posted in the events section of the GNR!

Spoke to Sarkyarthur last nite. If U want your birth certificate & passport you had better attend Banbury Bash to collect from Heather in person. No attend no passport!

Banbury Bash attendees list.

The following have confirmed attending the Banbury Bash as of Friday 31.5.02.

Pat & Barrie Braidford, Fiona Gayther, Des Kenny, Liz Downing, Betty, David & Lesley Mahady, Johnny Green, Sarkyarthur, Dave Cooper, Jacqui Milward, Adrian Mooy & Friend, Ron Brassington, Alan Brassington & new wife, Jane, Laura & James Brassington, Graham & Fiona Wall, Linda Dore Hayes, Tina McGee, Hartley, Sue, David & Gill Heaton, Roger & Maggie Eveleigh, The Fenwick Sisters (Moira & Glenda)& Gill Main.

The following are not 100% sure but considering attending - TBA.

Allyson (Brassington) & Phil Waud and Neil Smith. Last but not least Heather Chalcraft. Depending on if the "Crusaiders" can all get together to reform the band Brian Geyser & The Crusaiders!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., UK
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 19:27:47 (UTC)


Lynn Szeftel
Lynn, it's OK, I know how old you are. I got your D.O.B. from the registar. 31st May, 1957
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 18:20:50 (UTC)


Lynn Szeftel
How old are you??? I have some photos of the original Lusaka Hashers and one taken at a competion in Zimbabwe. I will ask Arthur to post them soon.

Peter Dielesen
Thanks for the calculations about Charley's wine consumption. It must be correct, because his company thought so highly of him that he was presented with a huge bottle of a rare wine with his own personalised label on the bottle. I have seen a picture of it and it is quite impressive. I hope he sends a picture of it to Arthur so we can all see it.
Congratulations on your new job. You are right about not being involved in the Zambian Space Program. If you were, Doctor Nkoloso would have got his calculations correct when rolling potential astronaughts down hill in dustbins, and might have got them into orbit.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 18:13:10 (UTC)


Lynn,

Umm, happy belated birthday. I think the GNR birthday fairy took May off to recover from Wallasey and was planning to get back at it in June. Sorry about that.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 17:53:07 (UTC)


Alix,

You're welcome. Now, if only I can get you to properly close your "strong" tags.... :)


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 17:50:12 (UTC)


GRumble,grumble,grumble

It was my BIRTHDAY yesterday. Why no birthday wishes?

That other Lusakaan.

Lynn SzeftelClick here to contact me

Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 16:25:24 (UTC)


craig..
Thanks for switching the time zone...I can now think more clearly.... at least now, the day before is now a few hours before....yes I can see more clearly now....
Ciao
Alix

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth Australia...
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 15:35:07 (UTC)


Headmaster Hartnett
Having taken 24 years to figure out if I am here or there, you have now changed us to Greenwich. Meantime, I now have no clue if I am posting today, yesterday or tomorrow, and I have no clue whether I am coming or going. I was posting while you lot in Africa and England were snoozing and everyone always seemed ahead of me in the game. See you later, I think... He! He!

Blackie ooops Barry Hall
I have your address. If you don't come to Banbury, I shall hunt you down..

Brasso
Did you get the piccie I emailed you.

Which brings me to saying I think everyone coming to the bash should have to bring a piccie of themselves as young as they can find it, preferably a baby picture, and we can have a game of, "Banbury Babies, Believe it or Not?" What do you say?

Linda "You'll never guess it's me" Dore

Linda HayesClick here to contact me
Austin, Texas USA
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 14:59:44 (UTC)


Good Morning Elias....

The way I figure it that going from 4.5 million to 7.3 million litres of wine over three years means he drank 2557 litres a day.... Mmmmm, not bad....

I retired in April not intending to work again except maybe a bit of consulting... Yesterday I was offered the job of Director, Academic and Administrative Computing at the St Thomas University here in Fredericton, Canada. I would work the academic year (9 months work - two weeks off at xmas and the summer off)). Who'd ever think a Broken Hill okie that left school after Form 4 and never went to College or University or participated in the Zambian Astronaut program would one day be in charge of running the whole computer show at a University... Going in Tuesday morning to see what kind of monetary and benefits deal I can negotiate. A strange world indeed....

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton NB
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 12:14:45 (UTC)


Elias,
I apologise – I made a typo. My sojourn in George was 1993 to 1996. The improvement in annual sales was over a 3 year period, not immediately. My area of responsibility was the Southern Cape, based in George, and my sales were relatively small in comparison to the national volume – which was a huge amount!
After that, I returned to Stellenbosch where I spent the next few years on the Group’s SAP/R3 system implementation. I must admit I still harbour a prefernce for Nederburg wines.
Do yourself a favour and look up “Stellenbosch” in a decent English dictionary such as the Oxford Dictionary. It’s a military term (from the Boer War) and means – roughly translated - to be promoted to an area of responsibility where one can’t do any harm!

Regards
P.S. Glad to see you rely on a Broken Hiller for mathematical assistance.


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands - Cape Town
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 08:23:23 (UTC)


Clever Clogs Craig

Heather ChalcraftClick here to contact me
Lusaka
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 06:53:37 (UTC)


Message Board now on GMT

In order to make things easier for those not living in the centre of the known universe (i.e., the Pacific Time Zone on the west coast of North America), the message board now runs on Greenwich Mean Time (GMT, also known these days at UTC, which is the French abbreviation for Co-ordinated Universal Time). All messages will show the GMT date and time at which they were posted.

Although I was late this month because I haven't automated the process yet, the message board will also be rotated at 23:58 (GMT, not Pacific Time as in the past) on the last day of every month.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 01, 2002 at 03:23:33 (UTC)


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1st of the Month, 2002 at 00:00:00 (GMT, aka UTC)


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