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Chris Tyrer - Ex Lusaka.
Chris confirm receipt of your payments for Brenda, Kirsten & yourself for Banbury Bash Braai. Thank you. Look forward to seeing you all on the nite.
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 17:52:28 (UTC)
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Charlie Cartmill
Whatever happened to your Cape Town Caper? You have gone awfully quiet and I would hate to think that you have forgotten about it.
Linda Hayes
Whatever I bring goes into the GNR's coffers (or rather the proceeds), so I guess Euros, Dollars (Canadian or American) or Sterling will be fine. I don't think we want Kwacha.
Arthur
Ag, I'm sorry man!! I had been in the office all night and was just waiting for the traffic to die down before I went home to sleep. Hence I was just copying what I was reading, without thinking (isn't that usual?). Have you got your broadband yet so that I can send you my 50,000 lines? And then you can read them on your flat digital screen.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 14:04:13 (UTC)
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Barrie Braidford;
I am very sorry to here of the tragic loss of your motor cycling friend. Any consolation would be in the form that the man died doing what he loved. Too many real people have died in this world that did not have that advantage. A Rhodie farmer here, a brave serviceman in a foreign land there. That is still no help to his friends and family to whom I extend my deepest sympathies.
I have been riding bikes all my life and in the final analysis I know it's foolhardy but the rush you get on a beautuful country road with the wind blowing by at speeds that would frighten the Devil is something that only a motorcyclist could appreciate. There is a place in Valhalla for men like your friend.
regards Gordon.
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 01:53:45 (UTC)
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Here's to you Black Ek! Hope there are motorcycles and riding buddies where you are now.
Sincere condolences to you Barry, his family and all his friends.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 01:30:50 (UTC)
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Linda,
I have just booked our hotel for the Banbury bash.
Lizzie & I really looking forwarding to meeting you at last.
I lost your e mail address after a nasty virus attacked the computer.
See you on the 21st.
cheers
Mark
MARK POWELL Click here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 19:33:11 (UTC)
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Bash Payments
Confirm receipt of Bash Braai payments from following & thank you all:......
Brain & Julia Geyser (UK); Mike Thomas (SA); Bridget Billany (UK); Wayne Lawson (UK) and Barry (Blackie) Hall.
Scarscalp
There is always room for a tent at my place for U. Am soooo pleased all 3 of U R well. If "Baby Scarscalp" is like her mum & dad then the world has another wonderful person on this planet!
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 18:28:15 (UTC)
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Gordon Garlick,and everyone,
Hello again, Gordon you may recall that I posted a message some time ago, about two of my friends from here flying over to Canada in July, where another friend of mine had purchased and renovated a motorcycle for each of them.
Well Three weeks ago they went. It is with heavy heart and looking through the tears that I have to tell you that my Canadian friend,From here originally,(he used to be one of my apprentices) was tragically and uneccessarilly wiped out and killed instantly at an intersection on a state highway somewhere in Georgia. They were riding line astern with Eric in front followed by his Canadian pal John, he was followed by my friend John and last came my friend Don.
They were not riding fast about 40-45 MPH when a pickup truck came out of the intersection at a similar speed, Eric Had no chance, he rode into the doorpost of the truck head first snapped his neck and died insantly.John behind him swerved violently braked hard and skidded past the rear of the truck, Jonh from England managed to stop safely as did Don. They were then greatly assisted by a part time fireman who had radio in his vehicle. And they summoned help from a motorcycle dealer Ian Kennedy also from England whom they had just been visiting before setting out on this leg of their journey. The only connsolation is that he died doing what he loved and mercifully he wont have known what had happened. He was an exceptionally gifted mechanic, his nick name was Black Ek, as his nose and ears were always black with oil and grease where he had been poking them and his finger nails were also always black. PLease raise your glasses tonight to Black Ek (He was ERIC JERMY of Hagersville, Canada. and worked at Hamilton airport). I have not contacted his wife yet, but I understand that she is to put the best of his collection of motorcycles into a museum,
ie,. his Gold Star, his Rocket Gold Star, and other collectables. So sorry to be so miserable but I am.
Regards barribee.
Barrie Braidford Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 18:18:55 (UTC)
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GARY
There is a lady (Afrikaans)in our village who makes lovely koeksusters, but I imagine she would charge for them. I don't know how much, but if you want me do ask her to make them, give me a call.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:25:35 (UTC)
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Koeksisters
I always find it easier to just buy them but at £3.99 per dozen they aren't cheap.
They are available from Susmans on the south cost, www.biltong.co.uk. Perhaps he could be persuaded into giving a discount!
Hartley Heaton Click here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:24:08 (UTC)
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Song Lyrics Needed
Does anyone out there have the words to a song called "In My New Kitwe Home"? It was written by an English expat at the Kitwe Little Theatre circa late 70's early 80's. It is a sort of lament of the trials and tribulations of an English expat settling down to such strange customs as learning to call a "barbeque" by its correct term "braai", and coming to terms with the concept of all dogs being called "voetsak!"
If anyone knows the words, please make contact with me and pass them on. Would be much appreciated.
Paudie Coughlan Click here to contact me
Ireland Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:20:26 (UTC)
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Northerners
Kevin Shone has asked me to inform you that George Jerrard of Jerrard's Electrical, Ndola passed away peacefully this morning.
Our condolences go to his family.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 12:15:27 (UTC)
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Gary et al,
I will not shrink from declaring that I am a good cook, I do not have any Cordon Bleu credentials, but I can claim to be very capable of preparing some basic haute cuisine fare from Mousse au chocolat, Creme Renversee, Caneton roti a l'Alsacienne, Tart tatin, to Melktert, Bobotie, but no, not the lowly Koeksuster!
I must warn anyone willing to take on the preparation of Koeksusters for 60 people that it is a highly risky operation! It is, in fact, much easier to prepare all of the French haute cuisinary items listed above (except the roast duck)!
Preparing Koeksusters is a messy and delicate operation. You can end up with a mass of sticky crumbly doughy glump,or worse, you could result with nothing at all, having dumped the entire mess and then having gone into self-imposed exile from the shame of not being able to follow-through with your task.
Anyone taking on this task should have the experience of preparing large amounts of Koeksusters before. I have the experience of attempting to do this once, and it resulted in me having a rather mild, but frightening nervous breakdown.
You are warned!
Tot kijk...
DvdB
Dave Cooper Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 11:30:00 (UTC)
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Ah shame! Anyone see what time Scarscalp's posting was? If the Nelson's come to Banbury you will recognise Graham by the enormous bags under his eyes. Thanks for the correction on the spelling - very pretty names. I'll probably see you at the weekend, but I'll ring first to make sure you're there/awake!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 06:24:06 (UTC)
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Amazing, UK television viewers this morning were treated to a news flash on our beloved country where it showed shots of people starving to death because of the famine there at present, and then a shot of a corpulent Head of state saying to the cameras that the 100,000 tons of maize that had been donated to them by the USA would be rejected if it had been geneticaly modified, his words, WE would rather starve than eat it, The mind Boggles. Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 05:58:19 (UTC)
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Many thanks all for the best wishes and congats that you guys have posted both on the message board and those that slipped through my self produced anti-spam/salami software.
Debs and I have reached a joining of minds regarding the name of the little troglodite. She is to be called Katelin Elodie Nelson. Sorry about the previous spelling, it was my fault, just getting a little ahead of myself. She is the most beautiful little girl, and both her and Debs made me very proud.
Banbury Bash
Brazzo- any room for a tent on your lawn?
CLASSIFIEDS
Attention:- Good home provided to any unwanted, misstreated, undernourished, damaged, old, very old expensive split cane fishing rods. Kids if you know your Daddy has an old fishing rod lying around just give me a ring and you could earn yourself some very useful pocketmoney.
CHeersnbeersworsnbiltong.
Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names) Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 05:52:43 (UTC)
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John, Kim & Jamie Costopoulos (Paudie)!!!!
John & Kim - comming from Durban SA to Banbury Bash. Confirm receipt of the cheque for 3 meals and drinks for Banbury Bash. Thank you and looking forward to seeing/meeting U all on the nite.
Banbury House Hotel - NOTE!!!!!! GNR Banbury Reunion.
Please be advised that after trying to book some GNR into hotel toiday and speaking to Claire at hotel there are NO MORE ROOMS AVAILABLE at this hotel for nites of 20 and 21 Sept. We and a wedding party have taken up all 63 rooms - our crowd being the largest contingent. If U still require accommodation locally please see alternative options listed below:
The Lismore Hotel - Banbury. 2 star. 23 rooms. Tel: 01295 267661. E. Mail: lismorehotel@aol.com Room rates: £ 40 - £ 80 p/person per nite.
Whatley Hall Hotel - Banbury. 3 Star. 72 rooms. Tel: 0870 400 8104. E.Mail: sales.whatleyhall@heritage_hotels.co.uk Room Rates: £ 50 - £ 155 p/person per nite. 17th Century manor hall.
2) Farmhouse B & B's:
College Farmhouse - Kings Sutton Village (venue of GNR Reunion). 4 Diamonds rated. 6 rooms all ensuite. Tel: 01295 811473. E.Mail: seallday@cs.com. Web site: www.banburytown.co.uk/accom/collegefarm. Room Rates: £ 36 - £ 60. Period farmhouse on edge of village set in own secluded grounds.
3) Guesthouses & B & B's in Banbury town.
Amberley Guest House. 2 diamonds rated. 10 rooms. Tel: 01295 255797 Room rates: £ 21 - £ 46. Traditional B & B.
Ark Guest House. Not rated - awaiting inspection. 7 rooms (most ensuite). Tel: 01295 254498. Rates: £ 30 - £ 50. Recently refurbished & extended townhouse.
Ashlea Guest House. 2 Diamonds rated. 12 rooms. Tel: 01295 250539. Rates: £ 23 - £ 62. Traditional style B & B.
Avonlea Guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 7 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 267837. Rates: £ 35 - £ 55. Traditional family run B & B.
Banbury Cross B & B. 4 Diamond rated (recommended). 2 min walk from town center. 7 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 266048. Rates: £ 25 - £ 55. Family room: P.O.A. Non smoking establishment. 400 yards from famous Banbury Cross.
Calthorpe Lodge Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 6 rooms. Tel: 01295 252325. Rates: £ 28 - £ 75. 5 min walk to Banbury Cross (Town centre).
Cotefields guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 6 rooms. On edge of town towards Kings Sutton. Rural outlook. Tel: 01295 264977. E.Mail: tony.stockford@IC24.net Rates: 16 - £ 40.
Fairlawns Guest House ( Recommended - very comfortable). 3 Diamond rated. 18 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 262461. Rates: £ 39 - £ 55. 6 chalet style rooms attached to Edwardian family run home.
Fernleigh Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 11 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 250853. E. Mail: a.cumberlidge@btinternet.com. rates: £ 28 - £ 75. Excellent service, food, good value. Non smoking.
Prospect Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 14 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 268749. Rates: £ 34 - £ 50. 8 min walk to Banbury Town Centre.
Treetops Guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 6 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 254444. E.Mail: pennybrain@hotmail.com. Rates: £ 22.50 - £ 65.
Regards - Gary.
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Monday, July 29, 2002 at 19:37:53 (UTC)
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Northerners
All this talk about the Three G's - googling babies, gallstones and gaboon vipers .....
Here's another picture of a gaboon viper which I have scanned from the March 1955 edition of Roan Antelope magazine. The caption reads 'Colin Forrester, with the gaboon viper which was killed at the corner of C. Avenue and 11th Street just before Christmas. It measured over four feet in length.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia Monday, July 29, 2002 at 15:53:07 (UTC)
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Tina
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Glad to hear you are both OK. There is an insurance advert over here "We don't make a drama out of a crisis", our Tian goes one better and turns it into a social event, making new friends. Good on ya.
Scarscalp and Debbie
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Mucho congrats. Was desperately counting on my digits (abacus is broken) to find out if she was a BBB (Bath Bash Baby) but alas, mind you another double B is on its way.
Craig
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A belated Happy, happy. Hope you took time out from waging war on the Nigerian Spammers to enjoy it.
Paudie
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Quit making me so jealous about not being able to attend the Bash.
Johnny Bruce
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Don't send me a private e-mail about how great the GNR is, post a message you numpty.
Gill Main Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland Monday, July 29, 2002 at 15:01:02 (UTC)
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Gordon Garlick
If this is any help at all, Cedric Whittemore is alive and kicking. When I was in Zambia last year we were taken out to see him on his farm on the Kitwe/Ndola Road. I hadnt seen Cedric for over 21 years and he is quite honestly, amazing. He looks exactly the same albeit with a few more laughter lines - and he had become a father again!!! Chris Swart will I am sure know Cedric's address.
Re Rob and George Shiel, I am not sure but I heard that one of the Shiel brother's had passed away but I dont know which one. Again, Chris might be able to assist.
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Monday, July 29, 2002 at 13:22:41 (UTC)
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Brasso, Paudie and Brian and all the other helpers
A big THANK YOU to you guys on behalf of the GNR is in order.
Your efforts putting together the next bash in Banbury are fantastic and especially you Brasso given the circumstances you have had to deal with at home recently.
I am in no doubt the September UK bash will be a Roaring success.
It is people like you and others who contribute to the GNR in so many other positive ways that make this website what it is.
Thanks again.
Debs & Graham
Congratulations on your new arrival, glad to hear everything went OK.
I still have some Kafue Water - but on second thoughts you'd better not chance it.
Cheersncryingbabiesndirtynappysnsleeplessnightsnnomoneylefttospendonfishinrods.
Tina
Glad to hear you're both OK.
Ada
And you didn't let me in for free?
Ken
Thanks for your email - I will contact you later today when I get home.
David/Gordon
Sorry to have caused confusion, I will think of a better way to sign off my postings.
Northerners
Just to let you all know the facility for entering and editing your entries in the GNR Names Directory is nearly ready. We did a test run last week and you will all be impressed I'm sure. If things go to plan it will be instigated later this week.
Craig has spent a lot of time on this and given his circumstances at home he also deserves our thanks.
Arthur Steevens Click here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom Monday, July 29, 2002 at 10:04:49 (UTC)
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Janie
Gallstones? Very sorry to hear you've been in pain! Hope you are being medically well looked after. As you see you also have concern and advice from Dr. Georgopoullos - a very kind alternative practitioner. And you certainly have our love and best wishes.
Sandra
Thanks girl!!! Glad that particular Ndola memory is long long behind you.
Chisanga
Happy surprise to receive your good wishes after your having checked the Board in a rare free moment. Good to know you are still out there! Good luck as you happily buzz around the world on various missions like a bee in a brewery. Can I have your air miles?
Ali
You are there for a lot of people yourself.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Monday, July 29, 2002 at 07:18:27 (UTC)
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Hi all
Just a little word of praise for you wonderful friends,
The GNR has really brought together a wonderful lot of humans who share their love with all
thanks.....for being there for me.....
Ali
Alixandria Key Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia Monday, July 29, 2002 at 04:49:05 (UTC)
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Tina Magee
Sorry to hear about your accident and relieved to know that nobody was seriously hurt. I have only been involved in one car accident which happened many years ago on the Ndola Road but I can still remember how scary it was. Good to know you haven't lost your sense of humour.
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:04:11 (UTC)
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Janie Ledeboer
I forgot to tell you, next time you have terrible pain from gallstones, dont take morphine or other strong painkillers and let anyone cut you open to remove them.
Here is an ancient Greek remedy that is guaranteed to cure the pain:-
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TIP:
Have gallstone problems…. Here’s an ancient greek remedy that works for many. It may even save you the cost of expensive surgery and all the potential hazards of surgery. Speak to your doctor about what you plan to do.
Use 1 quart or litre of extra virgin olive oil with freshly squeezed lemons to help rid your body of the gallstones.
HERE’S HOW:
In the evening, take two tablespoons of freshly squeezed lemon juice, then a ¼ cup (4 tablespoons) of extra virgin olive oil, every fifteen minutes. Repeat this until you finish the bottle of olive oil. Lie down on your right side and go to sleep.
During the night, this softens the gallstones and you will start passing then in your bowel movements. Nature supplies us with healing processes that evolved over thousands of generations of human development. The plant and human partnership go way back, long before the recent invention of what is called the pharmacological based medicine, in this century.
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Good luck!
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 23:35:11 (UTC)
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Tina Magee
A bruised tongue? That sounds painfull!
Janie Ledeboer
Get well soon. Dont let those gallstones out of your site. They are quite valuable and are used in Chinese medicine. The last time I checked, the going price for human gallstones was US$12 per gram.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 23:21:39 (UTC)
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BANBURY BASHERS!!!!!!
AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT AS OF TONIGHT WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE "STAGGERINGLY SUPERB" FIGURE OF 90 CONFIRMED ATTENDEES AT THE BANBURY BASH! THANKS ALL FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ENCOURAGEMENT - IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE PARTY NOT THE ORGANISER.
THOSE OF U WHO HAVE NOT POSTED YOUR PAYMENTS PLEASE DO SO TO ENABLE ME TO PURCHASE BIGGER QUANTITIES OF BEER, WINE AND FOOD!
Who can make KOEKSUISTERS FOR 90 PEOPLE? VOLUNTEERS NEEDED!!!!
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 23:00:16 (UTC)
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SCARSCALP & DEBBIE
I love the name that U have given to your new daughter - Kaitlin. Superb choice & unusual. Hope mother and daughter are well - I know that Graham will be fine and excited. Congrats to U all. U will definately have to be at Banbury Bash to allow us to wet babys head Zambian style.
Bash Undecideds!!!!!
Please could the following confirm by return as soon as possible if they are still undecided or will be attending Banbury Bash on Sept 21?
Chris Tyrer
David Main
Graham & Debbie Nelson
Mark Dalton
Neil Smith
Graeme Ferguson
Ada & Chris Cantrel
Pat & Barrie Braidford
Thank you.
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 20:41:26 (UTC)
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Arthur
Yes I remember Mrs. Ryan very well, our farm, Glenbee which was on the Kamfinsa River, was next door to her farm. She used to have a dairy herd when we were kids and we used to walk there and collect our milk direct from her dairy. In that area there seemed to be loads of Gaboon Vipers, we killed quite a few. Can you remember the snake farm opposite, owned by Mr. Newby? He also had a pet chimpanzee and a lion plus quite a few colourful parrots. My Saturday job was taking the money at the entrance to the snake park. I remember one Saturday sitting in the kiosk with my feet on a bag containing a large python he had just caught. We were convinced the snakes all eventually escaped as there seemed to be loads on our farm for a while. My Dad sold Gipsy caravans from the farm and he had a caravan park as well. You may remember it? Hope to see you soon.
For those who were asking about some of the Wienands and where they fitted in. The first member of the Wienand family, Johan Heinrich Bernhard Wienand arrived at the Cape of Good Hope from Waldeck, Germany in 1802, as a soldier of the 5th Battalion of the Waldeck Regiment and after 1806 he decided to remain in the colony when his regiment returned home. His cousin, Ernst Daniel Wienand, at the age of 22, arrive at the Cape of Good Hope in April 1818, where he was met by his cousin Johan.
We all originate from these two Wienands. I have a book based on the life of Ernst Daniel Wienand, "From Moscow to the Cape" written by Pamela Ffolliett. Ths is a wonderful History of the Wienand Family. I am sorry I never met some of the Wienands mentioned - maybe a family reunion one day?!!!!
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 16:22:47 (UTC)
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I just spoke to Scarscalp and Debbie. They both sound so happy! The baby is called Kaitlin. Hopefully I'll go and see them next weekend.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 13:13:55 (UTC)
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GRAHAM & DEB (AND BEBBY)
Congratulations! I had a feeling it was going to happen yesterday which is why I sent you a text message. I hope all went well and welcome to the little Scarscalplet. Lots of love to you three! I'll ring you soon to find out if she has a name yet!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 07:57:20 (UTC)
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Linda great news about the miners I have just surfaced it is 8.30 am and the pictures came on of the men coming up, the power of prayer I suppose.
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Cogratulations to Debs And Graham thank heaven for little girls, I hope Debbie you have no lasting twig marks love to you both and a big kiss for the little angel X
Johnny.
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Tina you are nowhere near 100% you are making statements like this because you are still in shock and I am sure Ted will agree with me now the shock is wearing off his back is not feeling as good as it did before the accident, your Lawer Johnny.
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Its great to have the mother of my little girls back in print I certainly missed her will contact you later today my dear, Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 07:49:33 (UTC)
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Johnny
A wonderful follow up to your post on the trapped miners - the 9 trapped Somerset Pennsylvania miners are all alive and in good spirits. They started bringing them out an hour and a half ago through the rescue shafts they drilled. They should all be out in an hour.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 06:37:27 (UTC)
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Sue
I'm replying to your kind message on line because there's a funny story attached. Sue asked if I hurt anything else. WEll actually the strangest thing I did was bruise (rather than bite) my tongue. Must have had my mouth open when we hit - imagine that! Anyway this morning the back half was tender and felt swollen and talking was strange so I mostly didn't. Ted professed himself ecstatic at this unexpected gift.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 05:33:16 (UTC)
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Scarscalp and Debs congrats and what are you naming the sproglet or rather the sproglette?
Johnny, Gary, Paudie, Linda, Ali, all,
Thanks hey? GNR friends are the BEST friends.
This 18 year old (Adam) didn't see us last night and cut horizontally across our lane gunning his way towards the lanes next to us. We maybe got to tap the brakes before broadsiding his top-heavy Jeep Cherokee with our big pick up truck, smashing our transmission and flipping him right over. Miraculously just a few cuts and bruises all round even poor Ted who is not long out of back surgery. He's incredibly sore but up and going. The kid was frantic so we sat with him and soothed him until his parents arrived. Lots of insurance, excellent witness for the police report so no problems. I cherish with chuckles what the kid said to me: "You are a great person to be in an accident with." His parents insisted on driving us home and we may even have made some new friends.
Linda I'll return your call or catch you in IM Sunday. Thanks!!!!
We'd have replied sooner but we were out working on replacing Ted's wheels all day.
My black eye? Naaah barely a hint of a shiner. We wore more eye color than that in the sixties and seventies. Remember that "Rocky Horror" Biba blue-green?
Remember those film clips of rhinos charging landrovers and trucks and rocking them. Has anyone had their vehicle charged by or even actually flipped over by a rhino?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 05:22:20 (UTC)
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Hi All
I spoke to Tina via the msn "chat" last night and yes thank the heavens, Both She and Ted escaped serrious injury and the young boy involved in the accident as well..Tina as usual is cheery and threatening to bribe Ted with her black eye..,STRONG>Take care Tina and Ted we LOVE you very much..
CONGRATULATIONS Debs and Scarscalp..on the arrival of your little girl....
CIAO
Ali
Alixandria Key Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 01:07:47 (UTC)
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Scarscalp and Debs (and sproglet)
Congratulations! That's good news. Will we now see you posting at 3:00 am while cooing at the (awake) baby?
Craig Hartnett Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 21:18:32 (UTC)
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Girl, 3.7kg, born 14.55 27 07 2002 at Royal United Hospital Bath. Both mother and sproglet doing very well and are now upstairs in bed getting to know each other.
Me? Am kackered and off to join them.
Nite Nite.
Cheersnbeesworsnbiltong.
PS To all of you who sent your best wishes, I THANK YOU.
Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names) Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 20:56:54 (UTC)
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Paudie
Oooh, the pressure is now on. Can you pull this rabbit out of the hat for us all? Let me know where to mail my donation if we are chipping in to get Wrex there.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 19:13:40 (UTC)
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Paudie
As the "Entertainments Manager (including Brian Geyser) how about trying to get hold of Wrex Tarr as per Johnny Greens suggestion below!!!! Thanks Jhonny mate!
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 18:32:49 (UTC)
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Brasso, Wrex Tarr I think is maybe now domiciled in the UK
and maybe if contacted with his dear wife might be glad to get inebriated with a crowd of his ex fellow country men,and women, I know he appeared at the NRP reunion last year and just maybe if contacted would consider gracing us with his appearance even if it meant us all chipping in a couple of Quid each to pay his expenses, put some feelers out here is the Tele NO of the sec of the NRP ass who may tell us how to contact him, Tele 01604-753925. try it Johnny
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 18:13:40 (UTC)
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Tina and Ted Magee
Thank goodness you are okay. Have tried to reach you by phone and will keep trying. My thoughts are with you and I wish you both a speedy recovery.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 18:09:17 (UTC)
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YOUR FACE IS FAMILIAR, BUT WHAT’S YOUR NAME AGAIN?
EVERYONE GOING TO THE BANBURY BASH
I am working with Brasso to make (peel off) name tags for the bash. If you have registered for the bash, I need you to please contact me by email and confirm the spelling of your name (and maiden name, if applicable) and what town you want shown on your tag. There are going to be so many of us there that we want to be sure to recognize each other. It is also a great conversation starter to spot someone from the same town you lived in. Not all of us are gregarious and it might help the shy ones.
I could go through the names directory, but it would be easier and less time consuming for me if you just took a moment and emailed me, please.
Please contact me no later than September 10 so I can be sure to have your tag ready before I fly over to the UK.
There will be extra tags there if you fail in this mission, and we also appreciate that some folks just flat out don’t want to be labeled, so don’t feel any pressure here.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 17:57:39 (UTC)
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Tina and Ted Magee
Terribly sorry to hear of your unfortunate accident. Delighted to see that none of you were seriously injured - cars can be replaced but cherished lives cannot. God speed all of U and recover soon.
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 17:04:21 (UTC)
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BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT
Following contacts initiated by Wilma Wall (née Henry, ex-Mufulira) in the Netherlands, via John Costopoulos in Durban, I have just had a response to my email to THELMA HOLLAND, and she confirms that she will attend and sing at the Banbury Bash.
Thelma performed caberet in Zambia for 16 years in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's. She will be best remembered for her regular stints as resident caberet artiste at the Hotel Edinburgh in Kitwe over those years. During that time, Thelma also did many regular caberet appearances at the Savoy Hotel, Ndola, and the Ridgeway and Intercontinental Hotels in Lusaka. During 1979, Thelma sang as lead vocalist for Kitwe band "Mantis" with John Costopoulos on drums, Pete Trollip on bass, Ian Delahunty on lead guitar, and Paudie Coughlan on keyboards/rhythm guitar.
Since leaving Zambia, Thelma has performed caberet in Spain, Ireland, and UK. She now owns and runs a hotel in Devon in the south west of England, and regularly performs caberet during entertainment at the hotel.
We're looking forward to Thelma joining in with the other ex-Zambian musicians, performing live music to entertain fellow ex-Zambians, at a GNR reunion braai in the middle of jolly old England.
Roll on the Banbury Bash.
Paudie Coughlan Click here to contact me
Ireland Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 17:00:38 (UTC)
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CALLING ALL NORTHERNERS
Promises, promises. I am still waiting with baited breath for news of Cedric Whittemore OBE of Kitwe. ? any help? John Tilkler told me about his "Other Buggers Efforts" award (OBE)
I have another request of the folk out in the world. My daughter needs to contact a ROB SHIELDS of Kitwe? any help?
She also would greatly appreciate any help finding out about a Kitwe artist called WINTERS who does animal paintings and Brahman cattle in particular. She would like to purchase some of his work. Any help please?
Thanks Gordon.
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 16:57:43 (UTC)
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Tina and Ted Magee
Sorry to hear about your accident, and relieved that there are no serious injuries. Wishing you a quick recovery.
Paudie Coughlan Click here to contact me
Ireland Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 16:30:21 (UTC)
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Our Tina and her husband Ted have been involved in a bad car accident but thank the Lord they have both survived it with only cuts and bruises there vehicle is a write off and I dont think there young son was with them at the time, the driver of the other vehicle a young boy of 16 also survived but as tina says they will all be very soar tommorow and I believe Tina has a black eye but of course Ted could have give her that before the accident We all wish them a speedy recovery, Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 16:13:09 (UTC)
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Dear All especially Banbury Bashers
I have devised a fiendish plan which, if successful, will allow us to all move to the South of France or Zambia and never need to work again. I recall a brass band in Britain making it to the top of the hit parade some years back. My suggestion is that you have a massed GNR choir singing one of the old Wrex Tarr favourites. This will certainly skyrocket to the top and all we have to do is divide the spoils. My knowledge of Chikabanga spelling is somewhat rusty so bear with my phonetic attempt!
"Koobani Ena Balaliele Cocki Lobben"
Chorus
Zonke lo n'uni lapa moir ena kala ena kala
Ena ezweli ena efeli lo n'uni Cocki Lobben
Ena ezweeeeli, ena efeeeeli
Ena ezweli ena efeli Cocki Lobben.
Koobani ena bornile Cocki Lobben?
Mena kaluma lo Fly
Na lo picannini astronomical microscope kamena
Mena bornile Cocki Lobben!
Chorus
Koobani ena balaliele Cocki Lobben?
Mena kaluma lo Sparrow
Na lo picannini intercontinental ballistic missile kamena
Mena balaliele Cocki Lobben!
Chorus
Koobani ena digga lo grave?
Mena kaluma lo Owl
Na lo picannini foshol na lo earth moving equipment kamina
Mena digga lo grave!
Chorus
Koobani ena kaluma lo prayers?
Mena kaluma lo Vulture
Ndaba mena kona maninge culture
Mena kaluma lo prayers!
Chorus X 2 - second to be sung very fast.
Hope you all agree that this is a fool proof plan (Maybe not 'proof' though!)
Cheers
David Gray Click here to contact me
South Africa Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 15:43:22 (UTC)
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Gordon/Arthur
Obviously I must spend more time identifying the originator of messages and pictures - sorry about that.
Cheers
David Gray Click here to contact me
South Africa Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 15:08:11 (UTC)
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I know I speak for all of us on this great site when I say that we all send our hopes to the relatives of the men who are trapped underground in America that they are united with there loved ones very shortly, and to the the teams that are involved in the rescue operations well done, the proto teams of the mining world are some of the bravest men in the world, and all of us on the GNR who at one stage worked underground and all of us that were involved in mining as we all were our hearts go out to the men down there for a safe recovery From us all on the GNR.
Tina or Linda perhaps one of you could EMail this on to the mens union headquarters.Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 08:37:15 (UTC)
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Isn't it great to see the KEY to the situation is back on line, Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 06:42:06 (UTC)
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Virus Info
For anyone who cares... if you get an email from address smacaluso@juno.com with the following message in it, beware because the message is the virus.
"Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very dangerous by corrupting your files. Because of its very smart stealth and anti-anti-virus technique, most common AV software can't detect or clean it.We developed this free immunity tool to defeat the malicious virus.You only need to run this tool once,and then Klez will never come into your PC. NOTE: Because this tool acts as a fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV monitor maybe cry when you run it. If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'.
If you have any question, please mail to me."
Hopefully, nobody will fall for this...
Elias
Could the address above be a Greek friend of yours by the name of Andy Caluso, by any chance? Have you solved the Mensa puzzle yet. Please don't be cross with me anymore..
Alix
Welcome home! Email us when you have settled in.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 05:01:27 (UTC)
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Hi All
Nice to be back home, looking at the board, it has been very busy, The Banbury bash is hotting up to be a good one....lucky people..
While waiting for the flight to NZ I came across the Alexandra Fuller book "Don't let's go to the dogs tonight"...interesting reading.....
Tina.
Yes it would be great to have a Piccy with you, but just imagine all of the GNR..now what a picture that would be..
John Milton,
Did the mighty whispering drums give you a message that I am back in Perth.....thanks for the email..
Johnny Green.....
Yes yes you were first....!!!!!
ciao Ali
Alixandria Key Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 03:35:57 (UTC)
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Iam sorry that should be DAVID GRAY
Gordon
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Friday, July 26, 2002 at 21:18:36 (UTC)
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DAVIS GREY
The only picture I posted was of the Model A Ford belonging to my grandfather. I can't take credit for any others. Thank Arthur Steevens.
regards Gordon
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Friday, July 26, 2002 at 21:16:58 (UTC)
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David Gray
David your mention of chemicals reminded me of my brother-in-law's father Sakkie Kriel who used to farm at Ngwerere just outside Lusaka. I used to see his workers regularly carrying sacks of Dieldrin, DDT or Aldrin on their heads and mixing it in drums of water using their hands to stir it, then spraying the vegetables without any masks or protection.
Apparently traces of these insecticides can remain in the soil for years. No wonder the life expectancy of farm workers was so low. I can remember being stupid enough to pick huge red tomatoes from the fields and eat them unwashed and then have the runs for days afterwards.
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Friday, July 26, 2002 at 16:03:03 (UTC)
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Paudie, Brian, John & Mike & respective wives!!!!
U people are superb, brilliant & grrrrreat! I really am in your eternal debt for all your efforts. All of U have been the light at the end of my tunnel during these dark thundery past 6 weeks. I am really looking forward to seeing U all on or before the nite. Plenty drinks will be made available. Thanks
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Friday, July 26, 2002 at 15:54:46 (UTC)
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Art Babe -
Regret I dont recognise any - a bit before my time - (1963-81) however I wonder if the Alan Paton in the photo was the famous author?
Seeing the clip of the Gaboon Viper still makes me shudder! Working with the Red Cross in Kitwe we helped train the police and firemen in first aid. So when we had a terrible fire on the farm in the pine forest too close for comfort to the house, we had to call the fire brigade. After they had put out the fire, we went into the forest to check that all smouldering logs were thoroughly extinguished. I had sandals on and was standing among the debris of forest grass and pine needles when I felt a movement against my toes ... to my horror it was a snake which I couldnt at first identify but as soon as I shouted a warning to the others I noted the change in colours, beautiful bright yellows and pinks and then the penny dropped. I think I invented and broke the record for the backward long jump!! The firemen killed it because it was too close to habitation but in so doing I asked them not to damage the head because I wanted to show them the fangs. I ran back to the house, got the snake book and with the photo of the snake they could identify for themselves that it was a indeed a Gaboon Viper. I then with the aid of sticks showed them the snake was a back fang and how the fangs could be manouvered ready for a strike - talk of 6" nails. Whilst this demo was being exercised, suddenly the tongue flicked out - need I say how fast I ran away ...!! You couldnt see me for dust!!!
You cant blame me for being a tad apprehensive when we would regularly find up to 6 baby mambas along the skirting board on getting up of a morning or a boomslang or two visiting one's gardenia bush near the veranda - all this despite having 6 cats and 3 dogs.
Shall I tell you something - sitting here and becoming more Anglicised by the minute or so it feels, I truly miss it all, the lot!!
Regards to all
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Friday, July 26, 2002 at 13:33:57 (UTC)
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Hi Gordon
It being lunch time here in Cape Town I've now had a chance to look through all your pictures. Great quality from those 1920s photographs. When I opened the one showing Dr. Patsy Coetzee I was reminded that he had been instrumental in reducing the incidence of malaria near Nkana in the 1940s. He had small hessian bags made up by the mine tailors. The bags were filled with sawdust and were then soaked in old engine oil from the mine garage. He then pressed the local Scouts into service and they took them on their hikes in the bush, dropping one in each depression likely to collect water during the rainy season. These lay dormant till the rains and then released a film of oil which covered the surface of any stagnant water. Mosquito larvae have to surface occasionally and the oil film prevented this. As a result the mosquito population was reduced dramatically and we were relatively malaria free. I still recall the mosquito nets and quinine which my Mom crushed and mixed with honey in order to get me to swallow the stuff. If my memory serves me correctly, quinine was available free of charge from Mrs. Hamson at the post office! Later we had the 'Flit' spray guns and even later the DDT sprayers who took over from the more eco-friendly method devised by Dr. Coetzee. Wonder how many nasty chemicals are still lurking within us???
Cheers
David Gray.
David Gray Click here to contact me
South Africa Friday, July 26, 2002 at 11:51:47 (UTC)
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Paudie and all Other Musos
This is absolutely amazing. How fortunate we are to have all you guys to play music for us. Oops, not to forget Kim and any other lady who might be enticed to sing. Jamie should be a treat too. Having a son of my own who sings publicly, I am anxiously awaiting this treat!
Brasso
You are an absolute Super Star!! Save a hug for me please.
Heather
If you bring stuff for us to buy, what currency do you want?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Friday, July 26, 2002 at 11:50:36 (UTC)
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BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT
Things are gathering momentum on the live entertainment front. We now have for your entertainment on the night:
CABERET by JOHN & KIM, with a selection of Southern and Central African songs, including "Agh Pleez Deddy", "The Liftgirl's Lament", "Who Killed Cock Robin ?", "Tiyende Pamodzi", "Malaika", and many many more. The hilariously funny "Zambian Magic Act" will also be performed, live on stage.
LIVE MUSIC for DANCING a selection of 50's, 60's, 70's and more recent popular numbers, by:
Brian Geyser on vocals and lead guitar, featuring a set of Shadows favourites soloed by Brian
John Costopoulos on vocals and guitar
Mike Thomas on vocals
Kim Costopoulos on vocals
Paudie Coughlan rhythm guitar and keyboards
Lap Top on computerised drums and bass !!
and featuring special guest star Jamie Costopoulos on vocals. Jamie is John & Kim's 8 year old son.
A special thanks to the Durban contingent of ex-Zambian muso's. John, Kim and Mike are close friends and often team up on a guesting basis with each other to entertain in Durban, so will be well practiced for the Banbury Bash.
A further special thanks to Brian Geyser for rearranging his busy business schedules so as to be able to feature in the live entertainment for Banbury. Brian is the only musician on the night to be resident in the UK, and has agreed to provide on loan most of the musical instruments and amplification for the night. A special thanks for this Brian - it saves the rest of us having to hire equipment.
John C. tells me that another ex-Zambia musician may also put in an appearance on vocals. We are still awaiting her confirmation (come on T !). Watch this space.
And of course, let's not forget Gary Brasso's persistence and determination behind all of this - thanks Gary. The target of 150 attendees at the Banbury Bash is well in sight.
Paudie Coughlan Click here to contact me
Ireland Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:56:25 (UTC)
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Hi Northers
Futher my posting on the banbury bash I must extend my thanks to Gary Brassington for all his hard work in organising this event as we all do realise the many tasks which have to be done to make this event possible.
Well done Gary.
Brian Geyser
Brian Geyser Click here to contact me
Brightwell-cum Sotwell, United Kingdom Friday, July 26, 2002 at 09:27:05 (UTC)
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Hi Northeners
Banbury Bash
Hello all readers and posters to the GNR. I have now rearranged my future appointments and can now confirm that my Wife Julia and I will be attending the Bash on the 21st Sept.
I have also managed to bring in from Durban SA Mike Thomas (ex Luanshya) another Muso ( an execellent vocalist) who I have known for many years and we are looking forward to meeting all of you at the bash as I am sure we all will have a lot to talk about.
WE will of course will supply live entertainment for you along with the other musician's at the bash.
See you all soon
Brian Geyser
Brian Geyser Click here to contact me
Brightwell-cum Sotwell, United Kingdom Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:55:58 (UTC)
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Just a little message to gladden the hearts of all you females from Elias.
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Good Evening John
Just to confirm that I am going to the do. I have a booking at the Banbury House Hotel for the Friday night and Saturday night. I will probably drive down from Dundee on the Friday. So I will hopefully see you at the hotel.
The Age Of Miracles Has Not Yet Passed. Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:42:15 (UTC)
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Gordon
I'm sure that everyone in the know acknowledges that your Dad was the most accomplished geologist around.
Thanks for the photograph of the Bancroft Mine Mess and the adjacent single quarters. I occupied a couple of rooms in that very block. I left Bancroft in 1967 to emigrate to South Africa. Wonder what Karila Bomwe (the place of the croaking frog)is like now? As you know, Bancroft Mine had a bad water problem and the pumps had to be kept running all the time. I think a 60 minute power outage would have flooded the lower pump station and thus the mine. Members of the Electrical Department were all issued with a device designed by the electrical engineer Alan Miller, which plugged into the wall socket outlet and comprised a battery powered alarm switched on by a solenoid connected to the mains. When the power failed the solenoid would revert to its closed state and the alarm would sound. The electrical staff would then proceed to the switching station and restore the power. It was usually quite crowded in the sub station on those occasions. One night, around 2 am, my alarm sounded and I rushed to the substation. I was the only one there and found that nothing was wrong. Returning home I discovered that the solenoid of the alarm system had burnt out thereby bringing up a false alarm. I was somewhat embarrassed.
David Gray Click here to contact me
South Africa Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:32:49 (UTC)
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I remember when we were sat around the fire one evening about 200 miles from the nearest hospital, discussing what would we do if we were bitten by a gaboon viper as earlier that day my buddy and I were walking with our tracker down a narrow track, my buddy in the lead then our guide and then me, we had gone a couple of paces off the track as they signalled me they had seen something, I remained motionless while they advanced slowly when the the tracker screamed out Boss Up Bwana, John for some divine reason leapt side ways back towards the track, if he had leapt to the right he would have landed on top of a fair sized Gaboon
Viper that was coiled up along side him we let him live as a shot would have alerted all the game within miles that we were about, and that evening when we were relaxed with our bottles of Old Brown Sherry the talk got round to what would we would have done if John had been bitten on the lower leg by the snake, bearing in mind you would have only about a minute to make up your mind as they are lethal, attacking both the blood and the nervous system at the same time we finished up agreeing that the only chance you would have is if your buddy blew your leg off at the knee with the shot gun or a 30.06 and applied a tourniquet and tried to get you back before you bled to death, thank God we never had to put the drill to the test and of course these decisions were made under the influence, but what would you have done?
Regards Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:21:21 (UTC)
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Re. MENSA Puzzle
We're actually all agreed that any real link to MENSA is wishful thinking but it's a great puzzle.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Friday, July 26, 2002 at 02:02:04 (UTC)
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At Munda Wanga Gardens they would let you hold the "fake snakes" when the attendant had them out. They're very interesting and graceful creatures. Mind you I've never been tagged by one that got irritated. Maybe you have to be the Crocodile Hunter and then the snake goes: "Crikey! If you don't shut up I'll bite you!"
Gaboon Vipers are gorgeous through glass.
They had at least one at Munda Wanga and one time I was visiting in about 75 or 76. Things were a bit lax. The top was off his container and you could look directly down on this fat colorful lethal weapon. There was a tiny stupid part of you that almost wanted to reach out and touch the patterns. Naturally, instead we called for the attendant to put the bleddy cover on. Can you imagine that - with kids around?
Fake snakes - real snakes ... don't suppose it matters much to a rat.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Friday, July 26, 2002 at 00:25:42 (UTC)
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Elias
Actually it has to do with a 33 question MENSA puzzle that each of the 3 of us was able to solve. Wanna take the challenge, anyone? If so, email one of us. It will definitely separate the men from the well... women!
Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Friday, July 26, 2002 at 00:12:50 (UTC)
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Linda Hayes (nee Dore)
It too was a delight to talk to U last nite - we must do it again sometime. Chuckle!!!!! Yes spoke to Kevin Shone other day & Blackie Hall called me earlier this evening. We are all a ok for go on Sept 21! Are we gonna party or what!!!!!!
Elias Geogo...... (oh I give up)
Thanks for your e. mail tonight. Have e. mailed Bill Laing details of Bash venue etc and local hotel & bed/breakfast places in and around Banbury.
Brian Geyser
Thanks for your efforts & Paudies. Cannot thank U guys enough! Brian - take note of above your old chim Bill laing is comming down from Scotland for event and wants to meet up with U. Hope U can confirm attending???? I will be disappointed otherwise as will many others.
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 23:05:24 (UTC)
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BWANA STEEVENS.
That is what the dog was for. He, the dog, would bite the ankle of the unfortunate man every time he stopped blowing. Grandfather George liked 30 psi in his front tires.
Regards Gordon.
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:36:55 (UTC)
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We are the Champions???
I bet that has something to do with those girls depraved softball days. (Softball, Johnny Green, the sport that is like baseball or rounders)
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:31:05 (UTC)
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Arthur
Report to the Headmaster's Office. The word is "intrigued."
All joking aside, I don't know if anyone knows this besides myself and a couple of others, but one of Blackie Hall's other talents is a beautiful singing voice. He does an awesome rendition of Danny Boy. Please don't throw me with a stone, Blackie. It is true, or else why would I remember you singing that particular song after 30 years?
Brasso
Really enjoyed chatting with you last night, buddy.
Kevin Shone told me he has contacted you. Have you heard from Blackie yet?
John Costopolous
Do you need a "suitcase boy"? If so, Howie the Slick would make a good one... ha! ha!
Tina and Jill
"We are the champions, my friends..." Sorry, inside joke.
Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:15:07 (UTC)
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Brasso
So you have been busy wagging your shambok about? I hope you have not also been squishing yourself up against windscreens, no wonder so many women are queuing up to attend Banbury.
Perhaps you meant a shamrock, which would explain your luck in getting a large Irish contingency to the Banbury bash. Interesting too, a cunning plan that has worked wonders.
You may even have been wagging your jumbuck about, hence all the Australian interest, but be careful you may attract the wrong sort.
But I think possibly you mean a sjambok, on which you have just tripped up.
Report to the Headmasters office a week on Saturday with 50000 lines of "I must get to know my sjamboks from my shamboks". Alternatively a list of 150 people who will be attending the Banbury Bash will do fine.
You can also ask Ms Chalcraft to report in at the same time with 50000 lines of "It is Rhokana, sometimes even Rokana, but never, ever, ever, Rhokhana"
Heather
Nice photo of a stony dam wall, some dead flat water and bits of dry shrubbery - thank you. I imagined a sunset there and it reminded me of - well anywhere - I must have a serious talk with you at Banbury.
I see the spirit level I gave you for your camera is being put to good use now, or have you learnt how to use the auto-crop and straighten facility in your image programme suite? - better than a pair of scissors hey, at least you will have some image left to show now.
Paudie
As long as you play with your guitars and not your shamboks.
The last rendition of Danny Boy I heard was by Marianne Faithful some time ago. It also sounded awful but she had an excuse.
If you and Brasso both pull it off it will be a fantastic show. (And I mean by that getting all these NR/Zam muso’s together). Some good arm-bending hey!
We need to get you both doing something like this instead

Sue
I thought you were buying my silence? The little secret you both have is still safe with me - your promise of couple of beers is still keeping me quiet.
Remember I know Fiona Gayther, (who is very good at keeping a secret), I can always let her in on your little plan.
Hey Graham
Any longer and you’ll have to name your babe after Elias. Both seem reluctant to "come out".
Mebbe we should try Johnny’s method on both Debs and Elias and give them both a thrashing with leaves.
Marianne
Couldn't find any pics of the people you mentioned just now but I will have a look - I'm sure I have one or two. In the meantime I notice you worked in the drawing office at Nkana.
Take a look at this from Peter Hills collection of mining photos.

If I were you I would take a holiday next month, I have a very revealing article and photo about you from a Rhokana Review that I will be posting.
And I was right - you are posh.
Kris
Here's some doctors on a photo, do you recognise any of these?

I am looking for something on you too so don't get too relaxed. This is because both you and Maz have cried off from going to the bash.
Did you live in Nkana-East babe ?
Marion
Try one of these - a REAL snake

Anyone remember a Mrs Ryans farm out on the Ndola Road? She had a pit with one of those in and fed it pork on the hoof.
David Gray
I see you lived in this dorp once.

An aerial view of part of Bancroft township. In the immediate foreground are the new mine mess and one of the single quarter blocks. The European school is in the centre background and past it runs the East-West road.
Remember this road?

I forgot to mention that Ian Singer has a brilliant COLOUR photo of slag being poured over the edge of the dump.
Ken Miller
I have tried to email you three times but it seems without success - please contact me regarding the newspaper scans you sent in. Thanks.
Hi Arthur,
Heather's picture of the sign for Grasmere Farm made me think of the people who carved that farm out of the velt during the first world war.

The photo shows my mother Peggy Hornby with her parents alongside grandfather George's Model A Ford taken at Chambeshi around 1928,29?
This must have been just before she met my father Bill Garlick, of "Mr. Copperbelt" fame. Sorry to brag, but he forgot more about copper than most Geologist would learn in a life time. Certainly a million times more than his retarded son Gordon.
Cheers Gordon
Gordon
Thanks for the photo - it is brilliantly clear and sharp considering how old it must be.
I am intreagued by the method of inflating the car tyres. You notice that person on the ground on the right with a tube leading to the tyre? He must have had very big lungs.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens Click here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 19:30:00 (UTC)
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Marion Murphy
Marion can you actually touch these snakes? Just the thought of touching one gives me the shivers. I can remember going to Munda Wanga Gardens just outside Lusaka and watching Major Chanda let deadly poisonous snakes crawl all over him. The kids didnt bother too much about them and handled them easily.
Did you ever come across any "Office Politics" cases where an unpopular supervisor or boss would find a poisonous snake under his desk or car seat sometimes with fatal results.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 16:34:31 (UTC)
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De lurking for a story:
i read with interest Elias story about using carbon monozide poisoning to kill the rats in the ceiling. My father also employed a unique method.
It took a couple of weeks, but after a time there was less and less evidence of mice and rats about the house. No more rat droppings every morning on the kitchen counters, no more pried open lids, or chewed through packages.
Mom was thrilled until one eve, reading by the light of a billy lantern, she looked up to spy a narrow shadow sailing across the rafter above her bed. The light of a torch revealed a rather fat snake! Michael, said Mom, a little urgently " there is a snake above our bed". My father replied a little sleepily, and unguardedly " which one?". He, Dad, that is, got no further sleep that night as we were all roused in a snake hunt, and Dad caught and released the snakes , which he had employed as rat terminators, to the outside. Now that mom knew the snakes were there, it made no difference to her that they had been there for weeks! She refused to let us return to bed till they had been removed.
It is a method I use to this day, if there are too many mice in my hay barn i find a couple of ratsnakes and encourage them to move in.
keep well all
Marion Murphy Click here to contact me
United States Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 15:56:15 (UTC)
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JACK WILD - EX LUSAKA
Jack - many thanks for your cheques for the Beer n Braai at received today. I have added U to attendee list and look forward to meeting U on Sept 21st. I am posting U a booklet on local hotels etc. in Banbury area. If U want to share the same hotel as all the other Bashers then suggest U give the Banbury House Hotel a call on 01295 259361 and talk to the "delightful Claire or Anna" and quote my name or the N Rhodesian Reunion party.
Paudie and those "excited ladies"
Yes it looks like the Bash is gonna be BIGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! Numbers increasing daily - can this little old country hamlet called Kings Sutton cope with 100 plus attendees on Sept 21st! Answer - you bet!! Common folks get those names on the list and your payments in!!!!!!!!!
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 15:20:01 (UTC)
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JOHN & KIM COSTOPOULOS
I have been told that you read the board so I apologise for not including you in my earlier message... I am SO pleased you will be at the Bash - can't wait to meet you both and like everyone else to remember way back when...
BRIAN GEYSER
We're all ready to rock and roll - to cruise with the Crusaders or as many band members as you can cajole!
Sue Forde Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 15:14:27 (UTC)
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I too recall George Jenkinson with very fond memories. I worked at the Kitwe Clinic for a while and when he attended births, especially those that were a little problematic, to our mortification, his favourite utterance would be 'Trust in the Lord and pull on the cord!!'
I last saw him at Heathrow Airport in the early eighties and he still looked exactly the same. When I greeted him (we hadnt met for years), I was absolutely flawed when he knew who I was by name!
Regards to all
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) Click here to contact me
United Kingdom Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 13:00:25 (UTC)
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Gary Brassington
With the number of confirmed attendees at the Banbury Bash now already into the 80's, and still about two months to go before the Bash, I think you should be expecting easily over 100 people to attend.
It's gonna be a good one.
Paudie Coughlan Click here to contact me
Ireland Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 09:47:27 (UTC)
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Hello Heather,
I remember Joseph Talijaard as my Maths (Arithmetic) teacher in Fredrick Knapp School. I always got the feeling that he thought he was flogging a dead horse - still it must have paid off I can now do accounts!
Mr. James Stupart was the Head of the Engineering Department at Nkana Mine when I worked in the Drawing Office. I was always rather in awe of him, but can truthfully say he was always a very nice person.
George Jenkinson was a Doctor at the Mine Hospital, who when you look back now, must have had a thankless job, always at the beck and call of all the employees of the Mine night and day, but was always the same cheeful person.
Thanks for bringing back memories of all these persons who I knew in the dim distant past.
Regards,
Maz
Marianne Martin (née Griffiths) Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 08:44:52 (UTC)
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Froggy Hayes
Think twice about sending Gordon your address. Dont you remember New Jersey was the centre of the Anthrax scare and most of the envelopes containing Anthrax came from somewhere in New Jersey.
Also Gordon has the expertise to make it in that laboratory of his.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 07:39:15 (UTC)
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Gary, Paudie – You two are Tony-the-Tiger. You’re not just GOOD. You’re GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!!!!!!!
Thanks to John an’ Kim and Brian and Paudie (again) for all you’re doing.
Sue – Boing! Boing! Boing! No, nothing’s wrong. Just TIGGERISHLY EXCITED about all this lovely meeting and reuniting we’ll all be doing and can’t wait to see you.
Sorry more insanity than germanity. BoingGGG!!!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 05:13:03 (UTC)
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Does anyone out there know the where abouts of a school boy friend of my son his name Midge Taljaard ex Chingola last heard of in SA he came to the UK on holiday with my son John in the sixties any info will be appreciated THANKS JOHNNY.
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Dear Mike dont worry about us keeping your dear wife although I thought this might have been a good opportunity for you to have got rid of her, after all 16 years is a long time to suffer like you must have done, but you are oviously made of stern stuff, stiff upper lip and all that we could send her back with a touch of alcholic poisoning if you think that would ease your situation a little, and dont forget when the cat is away the mice will play that last sentence will give her something to think about when she is carousing in Banbury, but dont worry if you are serious about wanting her back we will make sure that she does not finish up back in Kitwe, from your friend who is allergic to 2x4s Johnny.
john green Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 04:42:49 (UTC)
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Anyone around who attended Kansenji Primary from 1959 to 1962 and then Llewelyn High (both in Ndola) from 1963 to 1968?
George Booth Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 04:05:10 (UTC)
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Gordon
Can do kimo sabi. Be looking for my email.
Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 01:27:32 (UTC)
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F R O G G Y
Please E-Mail me your snail mail address.
Regards Gordon.
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 01:15:28 (UTC)
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Paudie
Is there no limit to your powers of pursuasion? A prince amongst men - nay a king! You deserve special thanks...
Brasso
This is just going to be THE best party! Well done!
Mark Dalton
Come on, Mark... I'd love to catch up with you. Chris and Haze will be there too!
Linda
Good to see that Mike is keeping you in line! He He.
Tina
Can't wait to actually meet you. It will be fantastic to put a face to the Christmas Surprise voice.
Elias
I am expecting to finally give you that hug...
Arthur
You owe 'us' a beer - remember?
Sue Forde Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 21:35:03 (UTC)
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Paudie
Well done in getting John and Kim!!! This will be great with you guys playing together. Now, if you could just get John to bring Howie Silk with him...
Mark Dalton
Hello, and hope to see you and yours at the bash.
Heather
Very interesting posting. Dr. Jenkinson was a very well known and excellent doctor in Kitwe. Still made house calls when I was a little girl and I always felt so safe with him. He was very very kind to me and my family through some very trying times with my alcoholic mother. His son was the late John Jenkinson, also much loved by many in Kitwe.
Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 21:00:41 (UTC)
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Paudie
Thanks for your phone call earlier today and all your efforts to get JOHN COSTOPOULOS & KIM over here from SA to perform at the Bash. We ought to set up a partnership - we both work very well and hard together! Yours, Brian Geysers and many others efforts are greatly appreciated - we want this to be the best bash ever! Tentative figures todate look as if we are gonna be approaching the BIG 90 attendee figure!!!!
MARK DALTON
Thanks for your e. mail earlier today re the Bash. I am pleased that your sister alerted U to the GNR web site postings and do sincerely hope U and the family will be able to attend this time - am sure U will be reunited with many old Zambia friends! Please keep me informed of your progress!
Linda Dore (nee Hayes)
Still now news from Balckie Hall or Kevin Shone. Please get them to call me or e. mail me a.s.a.p.
Sarkyarthur
Hey buddy - am I working hard enough for you on this Banbury Bash thing????? Hopefully I won't have to report to the headmaster for a taste of the big stick!!!!!!!!! I am waving my own - it's called a shambok!!!! Hee hee.
Gary Brassington Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 19:51:42 (UTC)
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Northerners
Sometime ago I managed to lay my hands on a file belonging to The Pioneers Association of Northern Rhodesia and am currently scanning all the documents in the file (rather this is the second time - either me or somebody else (probably me) deleted the first lot), so that I can return it to the owner.
It makes very interesting reading and I just wondered whether any of you remembered some of the people (or perhaps their children).
Joseph Taljaard, who was a teacher at Chilongolo, Silver Rest and Nkana Schools from 1925 to 1947
Sidney "Sammy" Turner, Member of the Federal Assembly for Mazabuka 1958 and relected in 1962
James Stupart, Engineer with Anglo American from 1927 to 1961; Life President of Diggers Rugby Club; Chairman of Frederick Knapp and Kitwe Primary Schools PTA; President of Copperbelt Agricultural Show Society (unfortunately no dates given)
Hugh Stanley, Kitwe Mayor (1958/9); Elected to Legco (1959)
Eric Speck, Chairman, Mufulira Municipal Board (no date given)
Jacobus Strauss, Rhodesia Railways (1925 - 1956) in Broken Hill
Rupert Maggs, worked for Rhokhana Corp from 1937 until 1957
Caroline Jack (nee Harris) who in 1961 was living at 126 Kantanta Street, Nkana. Her father was Charles Harris and I wonder if he was the Charles E Harris which was a men's outfitters in Lusaka?
George Jenkinson, Medical Practitioner and Hon. Medical Officer to Coetzee Clinic in Kitwe from its inception until at least 1961 (the file dates to 1961)
These are just a very small selection from the file.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 17:37:42 (UTC)
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BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT
Following several discussions with Gary Brasso in his persistent initiative to get free live entertainment for the Banbury Bash, I have come to an arrangement with JOHN COSTOPOULOS, a fellow ex-Mufulira musician, to provide some caberet entertainment at the Banbury Bash. John currently works in a caberet duo with his wife Kim in Durban, South Africa. He has an excellent repetoire of Southern and Central African "nostalgia" songs (including Jeremy Taylor and Wrex Tarr), jokes and banter. Many of you will remember him from his band days in Zambia, and his caberets in the 80's at places like the Edinburgh Hotel, the Ridgeway and clubs all over Zambia. He has also done caberet at the Monamatapwa in Harare, and the Intercontinental in Naiobi.
I have also spoken to BRIAN GEYSER, ex-Lusaka musician, leader and lead guitarist of "The Crusaders", and other Lusaka and Copperbelt bands, fame. IF he can manage to rearrange his business schedules, Brian has agreed to join John Costopoulos and myself on stage to also provide some live music for you all to dance to, featuring 50's, 60's and 70's, and more recent, popular songs.
We will also play a short rendition of "Oh Danny Boy" as a special non-germaine request for Arthur "Danny Boy" Steevens, in recognition of all his excellent hard work for the GNR.
More details to follow.
A big thanks to Gary Brasso for his persistence in not giving up to get live entertainment for us all at the Banbury Bash.
Paudie Coughlan Click here to contact me
Ireland Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 16:24:28 (UTC)
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Elias
Boy are you wasting your time. Given half a chance Misses Hayes and Key would far rather be cavorting alongside Ms. Chalcraft. In fact, why am I wasting time writing? Waaaait up Heatherrrrrr!!!!!!!
You'll have the best time in the world cavorting at the bash Elias so live dangerously and pleeeeeeeease be there.
Ali
You little 4 foot 11 wonder - good to hear from you. One day we must get our piccies taken alongside eachother.
Your 5 foot 8 friend.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) Click here to contact me
Texas, United States Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 06:21:34 (UTC)
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Hi All
A little hello from sunny ?? (the clouds have rolled in for a change) Papakura, I have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and decided to pop in and say hi, and say the sheep are still here and the grass is green, and I am looking forward to going home on Friday to see my little piccanins..sorry Amanda I may have to take the sunshine back to WA it has been so wonderful here, apart from the occaisional frost, a rare sight in Perth!!
Elias......I see you are still making remarks about us vertically challenged.....you will have to learn to read properly......I AM 4 FOOT AND 11 INCHES .....THANKYOU VERY MUCH...at least I have not got far to fall!!!!
LASTLY A BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY CRAIG......AND MAY YOU HAVE MANY MANY MORE!!!
ciao..
Alix...Karaka, Papakura, Auckland, New Zealand!!!
Alixandria Key Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 03:57:05 (UTC)
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Elias
Looks like Heather has issued a challenge. I'll handle the wagers if you like?
Paudie
Are you going to bring your music now that we are back to Karaoke for the night... he! he! Don't think I spelled that correctly.
Brasso
Have you received a booking from Kevin Shone yet? He is coming too... just to see if Blackie will be more interested in what he has to say, or what I have to say. Ha! Ha! Hey! I just had an idea. Maybe we could organize a wrestling match between you and Blackie.. What do you think? I'll distract him, while you get him in a Full Nelson. On second thoughts, you distract him.... Gawd! I better stay home at this rate. He! He!
Miles Parton
If you are out there still reading silently.. Happy Birthday!
Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore) Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 23:17:24 (UTC)
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Elias
Well since you're too chicken, I have had to resort to cavorting with members of the Press. But I would much rather cavort with you!!
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:52:04 (UTC)
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Gordon Garlick
Hey Gordon, that was nasty!! Those emails about burning bras and cavorting at nightclubs with BBC staff were confidential.
I will have to set Froggy Hayes or even better Alix Key on to you.
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:54:18 (UTC)
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HEATHER CHALCRAFT.
I don't care what Elias says about you in his private mailings to me because you have to be a very nice person to think of me.
Thank you for the photos of Grasmere. My grandfather George Hornby and my grandmother Elizabeth Hornby are both buried below the east dam on that farm. My grandparents were from the lake district, hence the name.
Where on earth have all the trees gone. It used to be reasonably well wooded and from the road you could not see more than 50 or so meters.
The farm's name lives on in America as my Son in law has named his business Grasmere Dairy Service & Supply.
Fortunately it is growing in leaps and bounds and John Dorrington of Copperbelt fame is an employee.
Thanks again
Gordon.
Gordon Garlick Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:19:11 (UTC)
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Bill Knott
Bill, you dont have to worry about Tony Robertson reading the GNR, he is too busy making money. Pregnant women love him. I found him a bit arrogant and abrupt. He is very good at his job though and has the pregnant women lined up like on a conveyor belt. He doesnt have time for natural births so if the baby isnt on time the woman is induced or dosed with Pethadine and a Caesarian performed.
I heard he is now leaving Zimbabwe.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:17:32 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft
Heather great recent pictures of the Itezi Tezhi dam wall.
I wonder if many people realise the sole purpose of this huge dam was to control the level of the Kafue dam a few hundred miles down stream. The Kafue dam has a huge electricity generating potential but the dam itself doesnt hold a huge amount of water so water is stored upstream and released when needed.
One of the most scary episodes in my life was at the Kafue dam while it was being constructed. My neighbour, Collin Fyffe told me that he had heard some Yugoslav contractors had gone through the temporary outlet tunnels on car tubes. We desperately needed to try this but didnt have any transport to get to Namalundu Gorge where the dam was.
I could "borrow" my dad's Oldsmobile Rocket 88, but this was in the days of petrol rationing and my father marked the petrol guage needle and took a note of the mileage before going to work. Anyway Collin managed to get a gallon of diesel and I found a few pints of parafin and a bottle of methalated spirits. We poured this mixture into the petrol tank, disconnected the speedo cable and went off to Kafue with thick blue smoke pouring out the exhaust pipe.
At the dam a young Yugoslav Engineer gave us a couple of car tubes and we paddled slowly to the tunnel entrance. When the current grippped us we were twirled into the tunnel at a terrific speed and suddenly it was completely black and silent and we were bumped into the tunnel walls from side to side until we heard a roaring noise and we were spat out into bright sunlight downstream of the dam wall.
We got back to Lusaka OK and reconnected the speedo cable.
A few days later I heard my dad on the phone complaining to Mr van Eck from Van's Motors that he had sold him contaminated petrol and needed his petrol tank drained.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:55:09 (UTC)
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Yo, all you GNR=ers.
I havent posted for a short time because I screwed up on my i.d. once and it told me to go to hell. So I went into a funk, cursed Craig then praised him and just lurked for a few weeks.
Couldnt resist , when I saw the emails from Doug Grewar et. al. about Tony Robertson. (Does he read this??)
As with Doug, I was also in Dorm 4 Williams House, at Gilbert Rennie, in the late 5os with Tony and others. He was a great sportsperson(jeees, see what living in canuckland does to political correctness -so polite, so wussy- person indeed, twit more likely) and also in A levels classes with him. Outdid him in class but couldnt touch the little crip in sports. He went on to N.R fame etc and went to Cape Town U...... just shows ya, - if not Wits , then , really, of no value. A surgeon nog al! I can just see him scuttling around the cutting table with a grin.....
I met his Ma once..... reminded me of mine with the power of her presence... misdirected as I thought Ms. Robbo was,-- but there you go. Living in those times sure gave us diferent viewpoints as to what life and values was about. Now over 60, like so many of you old farts, I had a selection of thoughts as to the world surviving, and now have settled down into conservative,but open to change, views. I often think about how years growing up in a Brit colony, with ideas and expectations of fairness and the equalness of people shaped me as a human. I never had the courage Doug Grewar had, to run politically in the 60's, except at sfe Wits,. but have since caught up with him as I'm fully into national stuff here.
Anyway, back to gossip...... I retain hard memories of selected-only stuff from then and have since hard-wired those as reality, into memory. So thats the truth!
I can understand Doug's dislike of nicknames...... we were bastards then as lighties.
Whoa!! Getting reminiscing here! No way, ek se.
Cheers,
Bill(William T.C.) Knott Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:34:46 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
Undoubtedly old timers disease, although I don't suffer from it yet!! They were in jpeg format so don't know what happened.
Politicians!!! The Pedicle Road is still not tarred and there is still no bridge at Chembe! But I do agree with you about the Pedicle being incorporated into Zambia - it would make a lot more sense.
Gordon Garlick
I took these photos of Grasmere Farm for you when I was on my way to the Kafue Game Park.

Arthur
This photo of Itezhi Tezhi Dam is specially for you - no sunset in sight.

And these are for those farming and transport types:
Mumbwa is an important cotton growing area and this was taken outside the ginnery at Mumbwa. From time to time, the cotton gets wet and spontaneous combustion occurs and the driver only realises what is happening when the cab of the truck is engulfed in smoke.

And a multi-purpose vehicle

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:05:03 (UTC)
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Dawie
Don't ask me questions like this when I am supposed to be putting my magazine together! I have just spent the last two hours trying to find the information rather than working!!
But first more info on Ngombe Illede which was first 'discovered' in 1960 and was one of the most extensive archaeological sites in Zambia, particularly the evidence of the second occupation (15th Century). Eleven richly decorated skeletons were found. They wore iron, copper and gold. The copper had preserved several pieces of cotton cloth, mostly of local manufacture, but one piece which was believed to have come from India. Other ornaments were sea shells, gold plate and glass beads. Also found were bundles of thick copper wire, bars of copper and cross-shaped copper ingots, in an area where no copper occured. It was therefore surmised that they had an extensive trade network which included the Copperbelt and Shaba.
Also found were two amulet holders - the only ones of their kind reported from Southern Africa. It is thought that these were of a kind commonly worn by Arabs. The conclusion has been that there was significant trade, from about 1350 onwards, between the Arabs and the Zambian interior, at least along the Zambezi and that Ngombe Illede played a central role in the regional trade network which extended as far as the Zimbabwe plateau to the south and the Copperbelt/Shaba to the north. One researcher has suggested that Ngombe Illede's rise to trading prominence may have played a significant part in the collapse of the Great Zimbabwe state, by replacing the trade route along the Sabi River on which Great Zimbabwe's prosperity had been built.
Of particular interest were the eight copper ingots cast in the form of elongated, flanged crosses. These were found not only at Ngombe Illede, but also at Chedzurgwe in Zimbabwe and some other sites. They were almost identical in shape and six are almost identical in size and weight, suggesting that they were intended to be of the same value and thus were used as a currency.
At Ngombe Illede they also found three iron bells, each consisting of a sheet of iron, cut in an hour-glass shape and then folded over, with the edges welded into a narrow flange. The significance of these bells is that they were known to be symbols of chieftainship in the Congo basin.
I have come up empty handed as regards specific information on the Arab graveyard at Kansanshi except that I know that it is designated as a national heritage site.
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