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Chris Tyrer - Ex Lusaka.

Chris confirm receipt of your payments for Brenda, Kirsten & yourself for Banbury Bash Braai. Thank you. Look forward to seeing you all on the nite.



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 17:52:28 (UTC)


Charlie Cartmill
Whatever happened to your Cape Town Caper? You have gone awfully quiet and I would hate to think that you have forgotten about it.

Linda Hayes
Whatever I bring goes into the GNR's coffers (or rather the proceeds), so I guess Euros, Dollars (Canadian or American) or Sterling will be fine. I don't think we want Kwacha.

Arthur
Ag, I'm sorry man!! I had been in the office all night and was just waiting for the traffic to die down before I went home to sleep. Hence I was just copying what I was reading, without thinking (isn't that usual?). Have you got your broadband yet so that I can send you my 50,000 lines? And then you can read them on your flat digital screen.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 14:04:13 (UTC)


Barrie Braidford;

I am very sorry to here of the tragic loss of your motor cycling friend. Any consolation would be in the form that the man died doing what he loved. Too many real people have died in this world that did not have that advantage. A Rhodie farmer here, a brave serviceman in a foreign land there. That is still no help to his friends and family to whom I extend my deepest sympathies.
I have been riding bikes all my life and in the final analysis I know it's foolhardy but the rush you get on a beautuful country road with the wind blowing by at speeds that would frighten the Devil is something that only a motorcyclist could appreciate. There is a place in Valhalla for men like your friend.
regards Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 01:53:45 (UTC)


Here's to you Black Ek! Hope there are motorcycles and riding buddies where you are now.

Sincere condolences to you Barry, his family and all his friends.



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 01:30:50 (UTC)


Linda,
I have just booked our hotel for the Banbury bash.
Lizzie & I really looking forwarding to meeting you at last.
I lost your e mail address after a nasty virus attacked the computer.
See you on the 21st.
cheers
Mark

MARK POWELLClick here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 19:33:11 (UTC)


Bash Payments

Confirm receipt of Bash Braai payments from following & thank you all:......

Brain & Julia Geyser (UK); Mike Thomas (SA); Bridget Billany (UK); Wayne Lawson (UK) and Barry (Blackie) Hall.

Scarscalp

There is always room for a tent at my place for U. Am soooo pleased all 3 of U R well. If "Baby Scarscalp" is like her mum & dad then the world has another wonderful person on this planet!



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 18:28:15 (UTC)


Gordon Garlick,and everyone,
Hello again, Gordon you may recall that I posted a message some time ago, about two of my friends from here flying over to Canada in July, where another friend of mine had purchased and renovated a motorcycle for each of them.
Well Three weeks ago they went. It is with heavy heart and looking through the tears that I have to tell you that my Canadian friend,From here originally,(he used to be one of my apprentices) was tragically and uneccessarilly wiped out and killed instantly at an intersection on a state highway somewhere in Georgia. They were riding line astern with Eric in front followed by his Canadian pal John, he was followed by my friend John and last came my friend Don.
They were not riding fast about 40-45 MPH when a pickup truck came out of the intersection at a similar speed, Eric Had no chance, he rode into the doorpost of the truck head first snapped his neck and died insantly.John behind him swerved violently braked hard and skidded past the rear of the truck, Jonh from England managed to stop safely as did Don. They were then greatly assisted by a part time fireman who had radio in his vehicle. And they summoned help from a motorcycle dealer Ian Kennedy also from England whom they had just been visiting before setting out on this leg of their journey. The only connsolation is that he died doing what he loved and mercifully he wont have known what had happened. He was an exceptionally gifted mechanic, his nick name was Black Ek, as his nose and ears were always black with oil and grease where he had been poking them and his finger nails were also always black. PLease raise your glasses tonight to Black Ek (He was ERIC JERMY of Hagersville, Canada. and worked at Hamilton airport). I have not contacted his wife yet, but I understand that she is to put the best of his collection of motorcycles into a museum,
ie,. his Gold Star, his Rocket Gold Star, and other collectables. So sorry to be so miserable but I am.
Regards barribee.

Barrie BraidfordClick here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 18:18:55 (UTC)


GARY

There is a lady (Afrikaans)in our village who makes lovely koeksusters, but I imagine she would charge for them. I don't know how much, but if you want me do ask her to make them, give me a call.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:25:35 (UTC)


Koeksisters

I always find it easier to just buy them but at £3.99 per dozen they aren't cheap.

They are available from Susmans on the south cost, www.biltong.co.uk. Perhaps he could be persuaded into giving a discount!

Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:24:08 (UTC)


Song Lyrics Needed

Does anyone out there have the words to a song called "In My New Kitwe Home"? It was written by an English expat at the Kitwe Little Theatre circa late 70's early 80's. It is a sort of lament of the trials and tribulations of an English expat settling down to such strange customs as learning to call a "barbeque" by its correct term "braai", and coming to terms with the concept of all dogs being called "voetsak!"

If anyone knows the words, please make contact with me and pass them on. Would be much appreciated.



Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 13:20:26 (UTC)


Northerners
Kevin Shone has asked me to inform you that George Jerrard of Jerrard's Electrical, Ndola passed away peacefully this morning.

Our condolences go to his family.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 12:15:27 (UTC)


Gary et al,

I will not shrink from declaring that I am a good cook, I do not have any Cordon Bleu credentials, but I can claim to be very capable of preparing some basic haute cuisine fare from Mousse au chocolat, Creme Renversee, Caneton roti a l'Alsacienne, Tart tatin, to Melktert, Bobotie, but no, not the lowly Koeksuster!

I must warn anyone willing to take on the preparation of Koeksusters for 60 people that it is a highly risky operation! It is, in fact, much easier to prepare all of the French haute cuisinary items listed above (except the roast duck)!

Preparing Koeksusters is a messy and delicate operation. You can end up with a mass of sticky crumbly doughy glump,or worse, you could result with nothing at all, having dumped the entire mess and then having gone into self-imposed exile from the shame of not being able to follow-through with your task.

Anyone taking on this task should have the experience of preparing large amounts of Koeksusters before. I have the experience of attempting to do this once, and it resulted in me having a rather mild, but frightening nervous breakdown.

You are warned!

Tot kijk...

DvdB

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 11:30:00 (UTC)


Ah shame! Anyone see what time Scarscalp's posting was? If the Nelson's come to Banbury you will recognise Graham by the enormous bags under his eyes. Thanks for the correction on the spelling - very pretty names. I'll probably see you at the weekend, but I'll ring first to make sure you're there/awake!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 06:24:06 (UTC)



Amazing, UK television viewers this morning were treated to a news flash on our beloved country where it showed shots of people starving to death because of the famine there at present, and then a shot of a corpulent Head of state saying to the cameras that the 100,000 tons of maize that had been donated to them by the USA would be rejected if it had been geneticaly modified, his words, WE would rather starve than eat it, The mind Boggles. Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 05:58:19 (UTC)


Many thanks all for the best wishes and congats that you guys have posted both on the message board and those that slipped through my self produced anti-spam/salami software.
Debs and I have reached a joining of minds regarding the name of the little troglodite. She is to be called Katelin Elodie Nelson. Sorry about the previous spelling, it was my fault, just getting a little ahead of myself. She is the most beautiful little girl, and both her and Debs made me very proud.

Banbury Bash
Brazzo- any room for a tent on your lawn?

CLASSIFIEDS
Attention:- Good home provided to any unwanted, misstreated, undernourished, damaged, old, very old expensive split cane fishing rods. Kids if you know your Daddy has an old fishing rod lying around just give me a ring and you could earn yourself some very useful pocketmoney.

CHeersnbeersworsnbiltong.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 05:52:43 (UTC)


John, Kim & Jamie Costopoulos (Paudie)!!!!

John & Kim - comming from Durban SA to Banbury Bash. Confirm receipt of the cheque for 3 meals and drinks for Banbury Bash. Thank you and looking forward to seeing/meeting U all on the nite.


Banbury House Hotel - NOTE!!!!!! GNR Banbury Reunion.

Please be advised that after trying to book some GNR into hotel toiday and speaking to Claire at hotel there are NO MORE ROOMS AVAILABLE at this hotel for nites of 20 and 21 Sept. We and a wedding party have taken up all 63 rooms - our crowd being the largest contingent. If U still require accommodation locally please see alternative options listed below:

The Lismore Hotel - Banbury. 2 star. 23 rooms. Tel: 01295 267661. E. Mail: lismorehotel@aol.com Room rates: £ 40 - £ 80 p/person per nite.

Whatley Hall Hotel - Banbury. 3 Star. 72 rooms. Tel: 0870 400 8104. E.Mail: sales.whatleyhall@heritage_hotels.co.uk Room Rates: £ 50 - £ 155 p/person per nite. 17th Century manor hall.

2) Farmhouse B & B's:

College Farmhouse - Kings Sutton Village (venue of GNR Reunion). 4 Diamonds rated. 6 rooms all ensuite. Tel: 01295 811473. E.Mail: seallday@cs.com. Web site: www.banburytown.co.uk/accom/collegefarm. Room Rates: £ 36 - £ 60. Period farmhouse on edge of village set in own secluded grounds.

3) Guesthouses & B & B's in Banbury town.

Amberley Guest House. 2 diamonds rated. 10 rooms. Tel: 01295 255797 Room rates: £ 21 - £ 46. Traditional B & B.

Ark Guest House. Not rated - awaiting inspection. 7 rooms (most ensuite). Tel: 01295 254498. Rates: £ 30 - £ 50. Recently refurbished & extended townhouse.

Ashlea Guest House. 2 Diamonds rated. 12 rooms. Tel: 01295 250539. Rates: £ 23 - £ 62. Traditional style B & B.

Avonlea Guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 7 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 267837. Rates: £ 35 - £ 55. Traditional family run B & B.

Banbury Cross B & B. 4 Diamond rated (recommended). 2 min walk from town center. 7 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 266048. Rates: £ 25 - £ 55. Family room: P.O.A. Non smoking establishment. 400 yards from famous Banbury Cross.

Calthorpe Lodge Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 6 rooms. Tel: 01295 252325. Rates: £ 28 - £ 75. 5 min walk to Banbury Cross (Town centre).

Cotefields guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 6 rooms. On edge of town towards Kings Sutton. Rural outlook. Tel: 01295 264977. E.Mail: tony.stockford@IC24.net Rates: 16 - £ 40.

Fairlawns Guest House ( Recommended - very comfortable). 3 Diamond rated. 18 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 262461. Rates: £ 39 - £ 55. 6 chalet style rooms attached to Edwardian family run home.

Fernleigh Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 11 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 250853. E. Mail: a.cumberlidge@btinternet.com. rates: £ 28 - £ 75. Excellent service, food, good value. Non smoking.

Prospect Guest House. 3 Diamond rated. 14 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 268749. Rates: £ 34 - £ 50. 8 min walk to Banbury Town Centre.

Treetops Guest House. 2 Diamond rated. 6 rooms (ensuite). Tel: 01295 254444. E.Mail: pennybrain@hotmail.com. Rates: £ 22.50 - £ 65.

Regards - Gary.









Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 19:37:53 (UTC)


Northerners

All this talk about the Three G's - googling babies, gallstones and gaboon vipers .....

Here's another picture of a gaboon viper which I have scanned from the March 1955 edition of Roan Antelope magazine. The caption reads 'Colin Forrester, with the gaboon viper which was killed at the corner of C. Avenue and 11th Street just before Christmas. It measured over four feet in length.

Click for image.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 15:53:07 (UTC)


Tina
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Glad to hear you are both OK. There is an insurance advert over here "We don't make a drama out of a crisis", our Tian goes one better and turns it into a social event, making new friends. Good on ya.

Scarscalp and Debbie
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Mucho congrats. Was desperately counting on my digits (abacus is broken) to find out if she was a BBB (Bath Bash Baby) but alas, mind you another double B is on its way.

Craig
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A belated Happy, happy. Hope you took time out from waging war on the Nigerian Spammers to enjoy it.

Paudie
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Quit making me so jealous about not being able to attend the Bash.

Johnny Bruce
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Don't send me a private e-mail about how great the GNR is, post a message you numpty.







Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 15:01:02 (UTC)


Gordon Garlick

If this is any help at all, Cedric Whittemore is alive and kicking. When I was in Zambia last year we were taken out to see him on his farm on the Kitwe/Ndola Road. I hadnt seen Cedric for over 21 years and he is quite honestly, amazing. He looks exactly the same albeit with a few more laughter lines - and he had become a father again!!! Chris Swart will I am sure know Cedric's address.

Re Rob and George Shiel, I am not sure but I heard that one of the Shiel brother's had passed away but I dont know which one. Again, Chris might be able to assist.

Regards
Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 13:22:41 (UTC)


Brasso, Paudie and Brian and all the other helpers

A big THANK YOU to you guys on behalf of the GNR is in order.

Your efforts putting together the next bash in Banbury are fantastic and especially you Brasso given the circumstances you have had to deal with at home recently.

I am in no doubt the September UK bash will be a Roaring success.

It is people like you and others who contribute to the GNR in so many other positive ways that make this website what it is.

Thanks again.


Debs & Graham

Congratulations on your new arrival, glad to hear everything went OK.

I still have some Kafue Water - but on second thoughts you'd better not chance it.

Cheersncryingbabiesndirtynappysnsleeplessnightsnnomoneylefttospendonfishinrods.


Tina

Glad to hear you're both OK.


Ada

And you didn't let me in for free?


Ken

Thanks for your email - I will contact you later today when I get home.


David/Gordon

Sorry to have caused confusion, I will think of a better way to sign off my postings.


Northerners

Just to let you all know the facility for entering and editing your entries in the GNR Names Directory is nearly ready. We did a test run last week and you will all be impressed I'm sure. If things go to plan it will be instigated later this week.

Craig has spent a lot of time on this and given his circumstances at home he also deserves our thanks.




Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 10:04:49 (UTC)


Janie

Gallstones? Very sorry to hear you've been in pain! Hope you are being medically well looked after. As you see you also have concern and advice from Dr. Georgopoullos - a very kind alternative practitioner. And you certainly have our love and best wishes.

Sandra

Thanks girl!!! Glad that particular Ndola memory is long long behind you.

Chisanga

Happy surprise to receive your good wishes after your having checked the Board in a rare free moment. Good to know you are still out there! Good luck as you happily buzz around the world on various missions like a bee in a brewery. Can I have your air miles?

Ali

You are there for a lot of people yourself.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 07:18:27 (UTC)


Hi all
Just a little word of praise for you wonderful friends,
The GNR has really brought together a wonderful lot of humans who share their love with all
thanks.....for being there for me.....
Ali


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 04:49:05 (UTC)


Tina Magee
Sorry to hear about your accident and relieved to know that nobody was seriously hurt. I have only been involved in one car accident which happened many years ago on the Ndola Road but I can still remember how scary it was. Good to know you haven't lost your sense of humour.

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, July 29, 2002 at 01:04:11 (UTC)


Janie Ledeboer
I forgot to tell you, next time you have terrible pain from gallstones, dont take morphine or other strong painkillers and let anyone cut you open to remove them.
Here is an ancient Greek remedy that is guaranteed to cure the pain:-
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TIP:
Have gallstone problems…. Here’s an ancient greek remedy that works for many. It may even save you the cost of expensive surgery and all the potential hazards of surgery. Speak to your doctor about what you plan to do.

Use 1 quart or litre of extra virgin olive oil with freshly squeezed lemons to help rid your body of the gallstones.

HERE’S HOW:
In the evening, take two tablespoons of freshly squeezed lemon juice, then a ¼ cup (4 tablespoons) of extra virgin olive oil, every fifteen minutes. Repeat this until you finish the bottle of olive oil. Lie down on your right side and go to sleep.

During the night, this softens the gallstones and you will start passing then in your bowel movements. Nature supplies us with healing processes that evolved over thousands of generations of human development. The plant and human partnership go way back, long before the recent invention of what is called the pharmacological based medicine, in this century.
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Good luck!
Elias


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 23:35:11 (UTC)


Tina Magee
A bruised tongue? That sounds painfull!

Janie Ledeboer
Get well soon. Dont let those gallstones out of your site. They are quite valuable and are used in Chinese medicine. The last time I checked, the going price for human gallstones was US$12 per gram.

Elias


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 23:21:39 (UTC)


BANBURY BASHERS!!!!!!

AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT AS OF TONIGHT WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE "STAGGERINGLY SUPERB" FIGURE OF 90 CONFIRMED ATTENDEES AT THE BANBURY BASH! THANKS ALL FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ENCOURAGEMENT - IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE PARTY NOT THE ORGANISER.

THOSE OF U WHO HAVE NOT POSTED YOUR PAYMENTS PLEASE DO SO TO ENABLE ME TO PURCHASE BIGGER QUANTITIES OF BEER, WINE AND FOOD!

Who can make KOEKSUISTERS FOR 90 PEOPLE? VOLUNTEERS NEEDED!!!!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 23:00:16 (UTC)


SCARSCALP & DEBBIE

I love the name that U have given to your new daughter - Kaitlin. Superb choice & unusual. Hope mother and daughter are well - I know that Graham will be fine and excited. Congrats to U all. U will definately have to be at Banbury Bash to allow us to wet babys head Zambian style.

Bash Undecideds!!!!!

Please could the following confirm by return as soon as possible if they are still undecided or will be attending Banbury Bash on Sept 21?

Chris Tyrer
David Main
Graham & Debbie Nelson
Mark Dalton
Neil Smith
Graeme Ferguson
Ada & Chris Cantrel
Pat & Barrie Braidford

Thank you.







Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 20:41:26 (UTC)


Arthur
Yes I remember Mrs. Ryan very well, our farm, Glenbee which was on the Kamfinsa River, was next door to her farm. She used to have a dairy herd when we were kids and we used to walk there and collect our milk direct from her dairy. In that area there seemed to be loads of Gaboon Vipers, we killed quite a few. Can you remember the snake farm opposite, owned by Mr. Newby? He also had a pet chimpanzee and a lion plus quite a few colourful parrots. My Saturday job was taking the money at the entrance to the snake park. I remember one Saturday sitting in the kiosk with my feet on a bag containing a large python he had just caught. We were convinced the snakes all eventually escaped as there seemed to be loads on our farm for a while. My Dad sold Gipsy caravans from the farm and he had a caravan park as well. You may remember it? Hope to see you soon.

For those who were asking about some of the Wienands and where they fitted in. The first member of the Wienand family, Johan Heinrich Bernhard Wienand arrived at the Cape of Good Hope from Waldeck, Germany in 1802, as a soldier of the 5th Battalion of the Waldeck Regiment and after 1806 he decided to remain in the colony when his regiment returned home. His cousin, Ernst Daniel Wienand, at the age of 22, arrive at the Cape of Good Hope in April 1818, where he was met by his cousin Johan.
We all originate from these two Wienands. I have a book based on the life of Ernst Daniel Wienand, "From Moscow to the Cape" written by Pamela Ffolliett. Ths is a wonderful History of the Wienand Family. I am sorry I never met some of the Wienands mentioned - maybe a family reunion one day?!!!!


Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 16:22:47 (UTC)


I just spoke to Scarscalp and Debbie. They both sound so happy! The baby is called Kaitlin. Hopefully I'll go and see them next weekend.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 13:13:55 (UTC)


GRAHAM & DEB (AND BEBBY)

Congratulations! I had a feeling it was going to happen yesterday which is why I sent you a text message. I hope all went well and welcome to the little Scarscalplet. Lots of love to you three! I'll ring you soon to find out if she has a name yet!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 07:57:20 (UTC)



Linda great news about the miners I have just surfaced it is 8.30 am and the pictures came on of the men coming up, the power of prayer I suppose.
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Cogratulations to Debs And Graham thank heaven for little girls, I hope Debbie you have no lasting twig marks love to you both and a big kiss for the little angel X
Johnny.
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Tina you are nowhere near 100% you are making statements like this because you are still in shock and I am sure Ted will agree with me now the shock is wearing off his back is not feeling as good as it did before the accident, your Lawer Johnny.
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Its great to have the mother of my little girls back in print I certainly missed her will contact you later today my dear, Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 07:49:33 (UTC)


Johnny

A wonderful follow up to your post on the trapped miners - the 9 trapped Somerset Pennsylvania miners are all alive and in good spirits. They started bringing them out an hour and a half ago through the rescue shafts they drilled. They should all be out in an hour.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 06:37:27 (UTC)


Sue

I'm replying to your kind message on line because there's a funny story attached. Sue asked if I hurt anything else. WEll actually the strangest thing I did was bruise (rather than bite) my tongue. Must have had my mouth open when we hit - imagine that! Anyway this morning the back half was tender and felt swollen and talking was strange so I mostly didn't. Ted professed himself ecstatic at this unexpected gift.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 05:33:16 (UTC)


Scarscalp and Debs congrats and what are you naming the sproglet or rather the sproglette?

Johnny, Gary, Paudie, Linda, Ali, all,
Thanks hey? GNR friends are the BEST friends.

This 18 year old (Adam) didn't see us last night and cut horizontally across our lane gunning his way towards the lanes next to us. We maybe got to tap the brakes before broadsiding his top-heavy Jeep Cherokee with our big pick up truck, smashing our transmission and flipping him right over. Miraculously just a few cuts and bruises all round even poor Ted who is not long out of back surgery. He's incredibly sore but up and going. The kid was frantic so we sat with him and soothed him until his parents arrived. Lots of insurance, excellent witness for the police report so no problems. I cherish with chuckles what the kid said to me: "You are a great person to be in an accident with." His parents insisted on driving us home and we may even have made some new friends.

Linda I'll return your call or catch you in IM Sunday. Thanks!!!!

We'd have replied sooner but we were out working on replacing Ted's wheels all day.

My black eye? Naaah barely a hint of a shiner. We wore more eye color than that in the sixties and seventies. Remember that "Rocky Horror" Biba blue-green?

Remember those film clips of rhinos charging landrovers and trucks and rocking them. Has anyone had their vehicle charged by or even actually flipped over by a rhino?

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 05:22:20 (UTC)


Hi All
I spoke to Tina via the msn "chat" last night and yes thank the heavens, Both She and Ted escaped serrious injury and the young boy involved in the accident as well..Tina as usual is cheery and threatening to bribe Ted with her black eye..,STRONG>Take care Tina and Ted we LOVE you very much..

CONGRATULATIONS Debs and Scarscalp..on the arrival of your little girl....

CIAO
Ali



Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 01:07:47 (UTC)


Scarscalp and Debs (and sproglet)

Congratulations! That's good news. Will we now see you posting at 3:00 am while cooing at the (awake) baby?


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 21:18:32 (UTC)


Girl, 3.7kg, born 14.55 27 07 2002 at Royal United Hospital Bath. Both mother and sproglet doing very well and are now upstairs in bed getting to know each other.
Me? Am kackered and off to join them.
Nite Nite.

Cheersnbeesworsnbiltong.

PS To all of you who sent your best wishes, I THANK YOU.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 20:56:54 (UTC)


Paudie
Oooh, the pressure is now on. Can you pull this rabbit out of the hat for us all? Let me know where to mail my donation if we are chipping in to get Wrex there.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 19:13:40 (UTC)


Paudie

As the "Entertainments Manager (including Brian Geyser) how about trying to get hold of Wrex Tarr as per Johnny Greens suggestion below!!!! Thanks Jhonny mate!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 18:32:49 (UTC)



Brasso, Wrex Tarr I think is maybe now domiciled in the UK
and maybe if contacted with his dear wife might be glad to get inebriated with a crowd of his ex fellow country men,and women, I know he appeared at the NRP reunion last year and just maybe if contacted would consider gracing us with his appearance even if it meant us all chipping in a couple of Quid each to pay his expenses, put some feelers out here is the Tele NO of the sec of the NRP ass who may tell us how to contact him, Tele 01604-753925. try it Johnny


john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 18:13:40 (UTC)


Tina and Ted Magee
Thank goodness you are okay. Have tried to reach you by phone and will keep trying. My thoughts are with you and I wish you both a speedy recovery.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 18:09:17 (UTC)


YOUR FACE IS FAMILIAR, BUT WHAT’S YOUR NAME AGAIN?

EVERYONE GOING TO THE BANBURY BASH


I am working with Brasso to make (peel off) name tags for the bash. If you have registered for the bash, I need you to please contact me by email and confirm the spelling of your name (and maiden name, if applicable) and what town you want shown on your tag. There are going to be so many of us there that we want to be sure to recognize each other. It is also a great conversation starter to spot someone from the same town you lived in. Not all of us are gregarious and it might help the shy ones.

I could go through the names directory, but it would be easier and less time consuming for me if you just took a moment and emailed me, please.

Please contact me no later than September 10 so I can be sure to have your tag ready before I fly over to the UK.

There will be extra tags there if you fail in this mission, and we also appreciate that some folks just flat out don’t want to be labeled, so don’t feel any pressure here.


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 17:57:39 (UTC)


Tina and Ted Magee

Terribly sorry to hear of your unfortunate accident. Delighted to see that none of you were seriously injured - cars can be replaced but cherished lives cannot. God speed all of U and recover soon.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 17:04:21 (UTC)


BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT

Following contacts initiated by Wilma Wall (née Henry, ex-Mufulira) in the Netherlands, via John Costopoulos in Durban, I have just had a response to my email to THELMA HOLLAND, and she confirms that she will attend and sing at the Banbury Bash.

Thelma performed caberet in Zambia for 16 years in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's. She will be best remembered for her regular stints as resident caberet artiste at the Hotel Edinburgh in Kitwe over those years. During that time, Thelma also did many regular caberet appearances at the Savoy Hotel, Ndola, and the Ridgeway and Intercontinental Hotels in Lusaka. During 1979, Thelma sang as lead vocalist for Kitwe band "Mantis" with John Costopoulos on drums, Pete Trollip on bass, Ian Delahunty on lead guitar, and Paudie Coughlan on keyboards/rhythm guitar.

Since leaving Zambia, Thelma has performed caberet in Spain, Ireland, and UK. She now owns and runs a hotel in Devon in the south west of England, and regularly performs caberet during entertainment at the hotel.

We're looking forward to Thelma joining in with the other ex-Zambian musicians, performing live music to entertain fellow ex-Zambians, at a GNR reunion braai in the middle of jolly old England.

Roll on the Banbury Bash.






Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 17:00:38 (UTC)


CALLING ALL NORTHERNERS
Promises, promises. I am still waiting with baited breath for news of Cedric Whittemore OBE of Kitwe. ? any help? John Tilkler told me about his "Other Buggers Efforts" award (OBE)
I have another request of the folk out in the world. My daughter needs to contact a ROB SHIELDS of Kitwe? any help?
She also would greatly appreciate any help finding out about a Kitwe artist called WINTERS who does animal paintings and Brahman cattle in particular. She would like to purchase some of his work. Any help please?
Thanks Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 16:57:43 (UTC)


Tina and Ted Magee

Sorry to hear about your accident, and relieved that there are no serious injuries. Wishing you a quick recovery.


Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 16:30:21 (UTC)



Our Tina and her husband Ted have been involved in a bad car accident but thank the Lord they have both survived it with only cuts and bruises there vehicle is a write off and I dont think there young son was with them at the time, the driver of the other vehicle a young boy of 16 also survived but as tina says they will all be very soar tommorow and I believe Tina has a black eye but of course Ted could have give her that before the accident We all wish them a speedy recovery, Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 16:13:09 (UTC)


Dear All especially Banbury Bashers

I have devised a fiendish plan which, if successful, will allow us to all move to the South of France or Zambia and never need to work again. I recall a brass band in Britain making it to the top of the hit parade some years back. My suggestion is that you have a massed GNR choir singing one of the old Wrex Tarr favourites. This will certainly skyrocket to the top and all we have to do is divide the spoils. My knowledge of Chikabanga spelling is somewhat rusty so bear with my phonetic attempt!

"Koobani Ena Balaliele Cocki Lobben"

Chorus
Zonke lo n'uni lapa moir ena kala ena kala
Ena ezweli ena efeli lo n'uni Cocki Lobben
Ena ezweeeeli, ena efeeeeli
Ena ezweli ena efeli Cocki Lobben.


Koobani ena bornile Cocki Lobben?
Mena kaluma lo Fly
Na lo picannini astronomical microscope kamena
Mena bornile Cocki Lobben!

Chorus

Koobani ena balaliele Cocki Lobben?
Mena kaluma lo Sparrow
Na lo picannini intercontinental ballistic missile kamena
Mena balaliele Cocki Lobben!

Chorus

Koobani ena digga lo grave?
Mena kaluma lo Owl
Na lo picannini foshol na lo earth moving equipment kamina
Mena digga lo grave!

Chorus

Koobani ena kaluma lo prayers?
Mena kaluma lo Vulture
Ndaba mena kona maninge culture
Mena kaluma lo prayers!

Chorus X 2 - second to be sung very fast.

Hope you all agree that this is a fool proof plan (Maybe not 'proof' though!)

Cheers



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 15:43:22 (UTC)


Gordon/Arthur

Obviously I must spend more time identifying the originator of messages and pictures - sorry about that.

Cheers



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 15:08:11 (UTC)



I know I speak for all of us on this great site when I say that we all send our hopes to the relatives of the men who are trapped underground in America that they are united with there loved ones very shortly, and to the the teams that are involved in the rescue operations well done, the proto teams of the mining world are some of the bravest men in the world, and all of us on the GNR who at one stage worked underground and all of us that were involved in mining as we all were our hearts go out to the men down there for a safe recovery From us all on the GNR.

Tina or Linda perhaps one of you could EMail this on to the mens union headquarters.Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 08:37:15 (UTC)



Isn't it great to see the KEY to the situation is back on line, Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 06:42:06 (UTC)


Virus Info
For anyone who cares... if you get an email from address smacaluso@juno.com with the following message in it, beware because the message is the virus.

"Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very dangerous by corrupting your files. Because of its very smart stealth and anti-anti-virus technique, most common AV software can't detect or clean it.We developed this free immunity tool to defeat the malicious virus.You only need to run this tool once,and then Klez will never come into your PC. NOTE: Because this tool acts as a fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV monitor maybe cry when you run it. If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'.
If you have any question, please mail to me."

Hopefully, nobody will fall for this...

Elias
Could the address above be a Greek friend of yours by the name of Andy Caluso, by any chance? Have you solved the Mensa puzzle yet. Please don't be cross with me anymore..


Alix
Welcome home! Email us when you have settled in.




Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 05:01:27 (UTC)


Hi All
Nice to be back home, looking at the board, it has been very busy, The Banbury bash is hotting up to be a good one....lucky people..
While waiting for the flight to NZ I came across the Alexandra Fuller book "Don't let's go to the dogs tonight"...interesting reading.....
Tina.
Yes it would be great to have a Piccy with you, but just imagine all of the GNR..now what a picture that would be..

John Milton,
Did the mighty whispering drums give you a message that I am back in Perth.....thanks for the email..

Johnny Green.....
Yes yes you were first....!!!!!

ciao Ali


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 03:35:57 (UTC)


Iam sorry that should be DAVID GRAY
Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 21:18:36 (UTC)


DAVIS GREY

The only picture I posted was of the Model A Ford belonging to my grandfather. I can't take credit for any others. Thank Arthur Steevens.
regards Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 21:16:58 (UTC)


David Gray
David your mention of chemicals reminded me of my brother-in-law's father Sakkie Kriel who used to farm at Ngwerere just outside Lusaka. I used to see his workers regularly carrying sacks of Dieldrin, DDT or Aldrin on their heads and mixing it in drums of water using their hands to stir it, then spraying the vegetables without any masks or protection.
Apparently traces of these insecticides can remain in the soil for years. No wonder the life expectancy of farm workers was so low. I can remember being stupid enough to pick huge red tomatoes from the fields and eat them unwashed and then have the runs for days afterwards.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 16:03:03 (UTC)


Paudie, Brian, John & Mike & respective wives!!!!

U people are superb, brilliant & grrrrreat! I really am in your eternal debt for all your efforts. All of U have been the light at the end of my tunnel during these dark thundery past 6 weeks. I am really looking forward to seeing U all on or before the nite. Plenty drinks will be made available. Thanks

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 15:54:46 (UTC)


Art Babe -
Regret I dont recognise any - a bit before my time - (1963-81) however I wonder if the Alan Paton in the photo was the famous author?

Seeing the clip of the Gaboon Viper still makes me shudder! Working with the Red Cross in Kitwe we helped train the police and firemen in first aid. So when we had a terrible fire on the farm in the pine forest too close for comfort to the house, we had to call the fire brigade. After they had put out the fire, we went into the forest to check that all smouldering logs were thoroughly extinguished. I had sandals on and was standing among the debris of forest grass and pine needles when I felt a movement against my toes ... to my horror it was a snake which I couldnt at first identify but as soon as I shouted a warning to the others I noted the change in colours, beautiful bright yellows and pinks and then the penny dropped. I think I invented and broke the record for the backward long jump!! The firemen killed it because it was too close to habitation but in so doing I asked them not to damage the head because I wanted to show them the fangs. I ran back to the house, got the snake book and with the photo of the snake they could identify for themselves that it was a indeed a Gaboon Viper. I then with the aid of sticks showed them the snake was a back fang and how the fangs could be manouvered ready for a strike - talk of 6" nails. Whilst this demo was being exercised, suddenly the tongue flicked out - need I say how fast I ran away ...!! You couldnt see me for dust!!!
You cant blame me for being a tad apprehensive when we would regularly find up to 6 baby mambas along the skirting board on getting up of a morning or a boomslang or two visiting one's gardenia bush near the veranda - all this despite having 6 cats and 3 dogs.
Shall I tell you something - sitting here and becoming more Anglicised by the minute or so it feels, I truly miss it all, the lot!!

Regards to all
Kris




Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 13:33:57 (UTC)


Hi Gordon

It being lunch time here in Cape Town I've now had a chance to look through all your pictures. Great quality from those 1920s photographs. When I opened the one showing Dr. Patsy Coetzee I was reminded that he had been instrumental in reducing the incidence of malaria near Nkana in the 1940s. He had small hessian bags made up by the mine tailors. The bags were filled with sawdust and were then soaked in old engine oil from the mine garage. He then pressed the local Scouts into service and they took them on their hikes in the bush, dropping one in each depression likely to collect water during the rainy season. These lay dormant till the rains and then released a film of oil which covered the surface of any stagnant water. Mosquito larvae have to surface occasionally and the oil film prevented this. As a result the mosquito population was reduced dramatically and we were relatively malaria free. I still recall the mosquito nets and quinine which my Mom crushed and mixed with honey in order to get me to swallow the stuff. If my memory serves me correctly, quinine was available free of charge from Mrs. Hamson at the post office! Later we had the 'Flit' spray guns and even later the DDT sprayers who took over from the more eco-friendly method devised by Dr. Coetzee. Wonder how many nasty chemicals are still lurking within us???

Cheers

David Gray.

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 11:51:47 (UTC)


Paudie and all Other Musos
This is absolutely amazing. How fortunate we are to have all you guys to play music for us. Oops, not to forget Kim and any other lady who might be enticed to sing. Jamie should be a treat too. Having a son of my own who sings publicly, I am anxiously awaiting this treat!

Brasso
You are an absolute Super Star!! Save a hug for me please.

Heather
If you bring stuff for us to buy, what currency do you want?

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 11:50:36 (UTC)


BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT

Things are gathering momentum on the live entertainment front. We now have for your entertainment on the night:

CABERET by JOHN & KIM, with a selection of Southern and Central African songs, including "Agh Pleez Deddy", "The Liftgirl's Lament", "Who Killed Cock Robin ?", "Tiyende Pamodzi", "Malaika", and many many more. The hilariously funny "Zambian Magic Act" will also be performed, live on stage.

LIVE MUSIC for DANCING a selection of 50's, 60's, 70's and more recent popular numbers, by:

Brian Geyser on vocals and lead guitar, featuring a set of Shadows favourites soloed by Brian
John Costopoulos on vocals and guitar
Mike Thomas on vocals
Kim Costopoulos on vocals
Paudie Coughlan rhythm guitar and keyboards
Lap Top on computerised drums and bass !!

and featuring special guest star Jamie Costopoulos on vocals. Jamie is John & Kim's 8 year old son.

A special thanks to the Durban contingent of ex-Zambian muso's. John, Kim and Mike are close friends and often team up on a guesting basis with each other to entertain in Durban, so will be well practiced for the Banbury Bash.

A further special thanks to Brian Geyser for rearranging his busy business schedules so as to be able to feature in the live entertainment for Banbury. Brian is the only musician on the night to be resident in the UK, and has agreed to provide on loan most of the musical instruments and amplification for the night. A special thanks for this Brian - it saves the rest of us having to hire equipment.

John C. tells me that another ex-Zambia musician may also put in an appearance on vocals. We are still awaiting her confirmation (come on T !). Watch this space.

And of course, let's not forget Gary Brasso's persistence and determination behind all of this - thanks Gary. The target of 150 attendees at the Banbury Bash is well in sight.












Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 10:56:25 (UTC)


Hi Northers

Futher my posting on the banbury bash I must extend my thanks to Gary Brassington for all his hard work in organising this event as we all do realise the many tasks which have to be done to make this event possible.
Well done Gary.

Brian Geyser

Brian GeyserClick here to contact me
Brightwell-cum Sotwell, United Kingdom
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 09:27:05 (UTC)


Hi Northeners

Banbury Bash

Hello all readers and posters to the GNR. I have now rearranged my future appointments and can now confirm that my Wife Julia and I will be attending the Bash on the 21st Sept.
I have also managed to bring in from Durban SA Mike Thomas (ex Luanshya) another Muso ( an execellent vocalist) who I have known for many years and we are looking forward to meeting all of you at the bash as I am sure we all will have a lot to talk about.
WE will of course will supply live entertainment for you along with the other musician's at the bash.

See you all soon


Brian Geyser


Brian GeyserClick here to contact me
Brightwell-cum Sotwell, United Kingdom
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:55:58 (UTC)



Just a little message to gladden the hearts of all you females from Elias.
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Good Evening John
Just to confirm that I am going to the do. I have a booking at the Banbury House Hotel for the Friday night and Saturday night. I will probably drive down from Dundee on the Friday. So I will hopefully see you at the hotel.

The Age Of Miracles Has Not Yet Passed. Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:42:15 (UTC)



Gordon

I'm sure that everyone in the know acknowledges that your Dad was the most accomplished geologist around.

Thanks for the photograph of the Bancroft Mine Mess and the adjacent single quarters. I occupied a couple of rooms in that very block. I left Bancroft in 1967 to emigrate to South Africa. Wonder what Karila Bomwe (the place of the croaking frog)is like now? As you know, Bancroft Mine had a bad water problem and the pumps had to be kept running all the time. I think a 60 minute power outage would have flooded the lower pump station and thus the mine. Members of the Electrical Department were all issued with a device designed by the electrical engineer Alan Miller, which plugged into the wall socket outlet and comprised a battery powered alarm switched on by a solenoid connected to the mains. When the power failed the solenoid would revert to its closed state and the alarm would sound. The electrical staff would then proceed to the switching station and restore the power. It was usually quite crowded in the sub station on those occasions. One night, around 2 am, my alarm sounded and I rushed to the substation. I was the only one there and found that nothing was wrong. Returning home I discovered that the solenoid of the alarm system had burnt out thereby bringing up a false alarm. I was somewhat embarrassed.


David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:32:49 (UTC)



I remember when we were sat around the fire one evening about 200 miles from the nearest hospital, discussing what would we do if we were bitten by a gaboon viper as earlier that day my buddy and I were walking with our tracker down a narrow track, my buddy in the lead then our guide and then me, we had gone a couple of paces off the track as they signalled me they had seen something, I remained motionless while they advanced slowly when the the tracker screamed out Boss Up Bwana, John for some divine reason leapt side ways back towards the track, if he had leapt to the right he would have landed on top of a fair sized Gaboon
Viper that was coiled up along side him we let him live as a shot would have alerted all the game within miles that we were about, and that evening when we were relaxed with our bottles of Old Brown Sherry the talk got round to what would we would have done if John had been bitten on the lower leg by the snake, bearing in mind you would have only about a minute to make up your mind as they are lethal, attacking both the blood and the nervous system at the same time we finished up agreeing that the only chance you would have is if your buddy blew your leg off at the knee with the shot gun or a 30.06 and applied a tourniquet and tried to get you back before you bled to death, thank God we never had to put the drill to the test and of course these decisions were made under the influence, but what would you have done?
Regards Johnny.










john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 08:21:21 (UTC)


Re. MENSA Puzzle

We're actually all agreed that any real link to MENSA is wishful thinking but it's a great puzzle.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 02:02:04 (UTC)


At Munda Wanga Gardens they would let you hold the "fake snakes" when the attendant had them out. They're very interesting and graceful creatures. Mind you I've never been tagged by one that got irritated. Maybe you have to be the Crocodile Hunter and then the snake goes: "Crikey! If you don't shut up I'll bite you!"

Gaboon Vipers are gorgeous through glass.
They had at least one at Munda Wanga and one time I was visiting in about 75 or 76. Things were a bit lax. The top was off his container and you could look directly down on this fat colorful lethal weapon. There was a tiny stupid part of you that almost wanted to reach out and touch the patterns. Naturally, instead we called for the attendant to put the bleddy cover on. Can you imagine that - with kids around?

Fake snakes - real snakes ... don't suppose it matters much to a rat.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 00:25:42 (UTC)


Elias
Actually it has to do with a 33 question MENSA puzzle that each of the 3 of us was able to solve. Wanna take the challenge, anyone? If so, email one of us. It will definitely separate the men from the well... women!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 26, 2002 at 00:12:50 (UTC)


Linda Hayes (nee Dore)

It too was a delight to talk to U last nite - we must do it again sometime. Chuckle!!!!! Yes spoke to Kevin Shone other day & Blackie Hall called me earlier this evening. We are all a ok for go on Sept 21! Are we gonna party or what!!!!!!

Elias Geogo...... (oh I give up)

Thanks for your e. mail tonight. Have e. mailed Bill Laing details of Bash venue etc and local hotel & bed/breakfast places in and around Banbury.

Brian Geyser

Thanks for your efforts & Paudies. Cannot thank U guys enough! Brian - take note of above your old chim Bill laing is comming down from Scotland for event and wants to meet up with U. Hope U can confirm attending???? I will be disappointed otherwise as will many others.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 23:05:24 (UTC)


BWANA STEEVENS.
That is what the dog was for. He, the dog, would bite the ankle of the unfortunate man every time he stopped blowing. Grandfather George liked 30 psi in his front tires.
Regards Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:36:55 (UTC)


We are the Champions???
I bet that has something to do with those girls depraved softball days. (Softball, Johnny Green, the sport that is like baseball or rounders)
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:31:05 (UTC)


Arthur
Report to the Headmaster's Office. The word is "intrigued."

All joking aside, I don't know if anyone knows this besides myself and a couple of others, but one of Blackie Hall's other talents is a beautiful singing voice. He does an awesome rendition of Danny Boy. Please don't throw me with a stone, Blackie. It is true, or else why would I remember you singing that particular song after 30 years?

Brasso
Really enjoyed chatting with you last night, buddy.
Kevin Shone told me he has contacted you. Have you heard from Blackie yet?

John Costopolous
Do you need a "suitcase boy"? If so, Howie the Slick would make a good one... ha! ha!

Tina and Jill
"We are the champions, my friends..." Sorry, inside joke.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 22:15:07 (UTC)


Brasso

So you have been busy wagging your shambok about? I hope you have not also been squishing yourself up against windscreens, no wonder so many women are queuing up to attend Banbury.

Perhaps you meant a shamrock, which would explain your luck in getting a large Irish contingency to the Banbury bash. Interesting too, a cunning plan that has worked wonders.

You may even have been wagging your jumbuck about, hence all the Australian interest, but be careful you may attract the wrong sort.

But I think possibly you mean a sjambok, on which you have just tripped up.

Report to the Headmasters office a week on Saturday with 50000 lines of "I must get to know my sjamboks from my shamboks". Alternatively a list of 150 people who will be attending the Banbury Bash will do fine.

You can also ask Ms Chalcraft to report in at the same time with 50000 lines of "It is Rhokana, sometimes even Rokana, but never, ever, ever, Rhokhana"


Heather

Nice photo of a stony dam wall, some dead flat water and bits of dry shrubbery - thank you. I imagined a sunset there and it reminded me of - well anywhere - I must have a serious talk with you at Banbury.

I see the spirit level I gave you for your camera is being put to good use now, or have you learnt how to use the auto-crop and straighten facility in your image programme suite? - better than a pair of scissors hey, at least you will have some image left to show now.


Paudie

As long as you play with your guitars and not your shamboks.

The last rendition of Danny Boy I heard was by Marianne Faithful some time ago. It also sounded awful but she had an excuse.

If you and Brasso both pull it off it will be a fantastic show. (And I mean by that getting all these NR/Zam muso’s together). Some good arm-bending hey!

We need to get you both doing something like this instead

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Sue

I thought you were buying my silence? The little secret you both have is still safe with me - your promise of couple of beers is still keeping me quiet.

Remember I know Fiona Gayther, (who is very good at keeping a secret), I can always let her in on your little plan.


Hey Graham

Any longer and you’ll have to name your babe after Elias. Both seem reluctant to "come out".

Mebbe we should try Johnny’s method on both Debs and Elias and give them both a thrashing with leaves.


Marianne

Couldn't find any pics of the people you mentioned just now but I will have a look - I'm sure I have one or two. In the meantime I notice you worked in the drawing office at Nkana.

Take a look at this from Peter Hills collection of mining photos.

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If I were you I would take a holiday next month, I have a very revealing article and photo about you from a Rhokana Review that I will be posting.

And I was right - you are posh.


Kris

Here's some doctors on a photo, do you recognise any of these?

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I am looking for something on you too so don't get too relaxed. This is because both you and Maz have cried off from going to the bash.

Did you live in Nkana-East babe ?


Marion

Try one of these - a REAL snake

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Anyone remember a Mrs Ryans farm out on the Ndola Road? She had a pit with one of those in and fed it pork on the hoof.


David Gray

I see you lived in this dorp once.

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An aerial view of part of Bancroft township. In the immediate foreground are the new mine mess and one of the single quarter blocks. The European school is in the centre background and past it runs the East-West road.


Remember this road?

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I forgot to mention that Ian Singer has a brilliant COLOUR photo of slag being poured over the edge of the dump.


Ken Miller

I have tried to email you three times but it seems without success - please contact me regarding the newspaper scans you sent in. Thanks.




Hi Arthur,

Heather's picture of the sign for Grasmere Farm made me think of the people who carved that farm out of the velt during the first world war.

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The photo shows my mother Peggy Hornby with her parents alongside grandfather George's Model A Ford taken at Chambeshi around 1928,29?

This must have been just before she met my father Bill Garlick, of "Mr. Copperbelt" fame. Sorry to brag, but he forgot more about copper than most Geologist would learn in a life time. Certainly a million times more than his retarded son Gordon.

Cheers Gordon




Gordon

Thanks for the photo - it is brilliantly clear and sharp considering how old it must be.

I am intreagued by the method of inflating the car tyres. You notice that person on the ground on the right with a tube leading to the tyre? He must have had very big lungs.

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 19:30:00 (UTC)


Marion Murphy
Marion can you actually touch these snakes? Just the thought of touching one gives me the shivers. I can remember going to Munda Wanga Gardens just outside Lusaka and watching Major Chanda let deadly poisonous snakes crawl all over him. The kids didnt bother too much about them and handled them easily.
Did you ever come across any "Office Politics" cases where an unpopular supervisor or boss would find a poisonous snake under his desk or car seat sometimes with fatal results.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 16:34:31 (UTC)


De lurking for a story:

i read with interest Elias story about using carbon monozide poisoning to kill the rats in the ceiling. My father also employed a unique method.

It took a couple of weeks, but after a time there was less and less evidence of mice and rats about the house. No more rat droppings every morning on the kitchen counters, no more pried open lids, or chewed through packages.

Mom was thrilled until one eve, reading by the light of a billy lantern, she looked up to spy a narrow shadow sailing across the rafter above her bed. The light of a torch revealed a rather fat snake! Michael, said Mom, a little urgently " there is a snake above our bed". My father replied a little sleepily, and unguardedly " which one?". He, Dad, that is, got no further sleep that night as we were all roused in a snake hunt, and Dad caught and released the snakes , which he had employed as rat terminators, to the outside. Now that mom knew the snakes were there, it made no difference to her that they had been there for weeks! She refused to let us return to bed till they had been removed.

It is a method I use to this day, if there are too many mice in my hay barn i find a couple of ratsnakes and encourage them to move in.

keep well all




Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 15:56:15 (UTC)


JACK WILD - EX LUSAKA

Jack - many thanks for your cheques for the Beer n Braai at received today. I have added U to attendee list and look forward to meeting U on Sept 21st. I am posting U a booklet on local hotels etc. in Banbury area. If U want to share the same hotel as all the other Bashers then suggest U give the Banbury House Hotel a call on 01295 259361 and talk to the "delightful Claire or Anna" and quote my name or the N Rhodesian Reunion party.

Paudie and those "excited ladies"

Yes it looks like the Bash is gonna be BIGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! Numbers increasing daily - can this little old country hamlet called Kings Sutton cope with 100 plus attendees on Sept 21st! Answer - you bet!! Common folks get those names on the list and your payments in!!!!!!!!!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 15:20:01 (UTC)


JOHN & KIM COSTOPOULOS
I have been told that you read the board so I apologise for not including you in my earlier message... I am SO pleased you will be at the Bash - can't wait to meet you both and like everyone else to remember way back when...

BRIAN GEYSER
We're all ready to rock and roll - to cruise with the Crusaders or as many band members as you can cajole!

Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 15:14:27 (UTC)


I too recall George Jenkinson with very fond memories. I worked at the Kitwe Clinic for a while and when he attended births, especially those that were a little problematic, to our mortification, his favourite utterance would be 'Trust in the Lord and pull on the cord!!'

I last saw him at Heathrow Airport in the early eighties and he still looked exactly the same. When I greeted him (we hadnt met for years), I was absolutely flawed when he knew who I was by name!

Regards to all
Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 13:00:25 (UTC)


Gary Brassington

With the number of confirmed attendees at the Banbury Bash now already into the 80's, and still about two months to go before the Bash, I think you should be expecting easily over 100 people to attend.

It's gonna be a good one.

Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 09:47:27 (UTC)


Hello Heather,

I remember Joseph Talijaard as my Maths (Arithmetic) teacher in Fredrick Knapp School. I always got the feeling that he thought he was flogging a dead horse - still it must have paid off I can now do accounts!

Mr. James Stupart was the Head of the Engineering Department at Nkana Mine when I worked in the Drawing Office. I was always rather in awe of him, but can truthfully say he was always a very nice person.

George Jenkinson was a Doctor at the Mine Hospital, who when you look back now, must have had a thankless job, always at the beck and call of all the employees of the Mine night and day, but was always the same cheeful person.

Thanks for bringing back memories of all these persons who I knew in the dim distant past.

Regards,

Maz

Marianne Martin (née Griffiths)Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 08:44:52 (UTC)


Froggy Hayes
Think twice about sending Gordon your address. Dont you remember New Jersey was the centre of the Anthrax scare and most of the envelopes containing Anthrax came from somewhere in New Jersey.
Also Gordon has the expertise to make it in that laboratory of his.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 07:39:15 (UTC)


Gary, Paudie – You two are Tony-the-Tiger. You’re not just GOOD. You’re GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!!!!!!!

Thanks to John an’ Kim and Brian and Paudie (again) for all you’re doing.

Sue – Boing! Boing! Boing! No, nothing’s wrong. Just TIGGERISHLY EXCITED about all this lovely meeting and reuniting we’ll all be doing and can’t wait to see you.

Sorry more insanity than germanity. BoingGGG!!!


Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 05:13:03 (UTC)



Does anyone out there know the where abouts of a school boy friend of my son his name Midge Taljaard ex Chingola last heard of in SA he came to the UK on holiday with my son John in the sixties any info will be appreciated THANKS JOHNNY.
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Dear Mike dont worry about us keeping your dear wife although I thought this might have been a good opportunity for you to have got rid of her, after all 16 years is a long time to suffer like you must have done, but you are oviously made of stern stuff, stiff upper lip and all that we could send her back with a touch of alcholic poisoning if you think that would ease your situation a little, and dont forget when the cat is away the mice will play that last sentence will give her something to think about when she is carousing in Banbury, but dont worry if you are serious about wanting her back we will make sure that she does not finish up back in Kitwe, from your friend who is allergic to 2x4s Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 04:42:49 (UTC)


Anyone around who attended Kansenji Primary from 1959 to 1962 and then Llewelyn High (both in Ndola) from 1963 to 1968?

George BoothClick here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 04:05:10 (UTC)


Gordon
Can do kimo sabi. Be looking for my email.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 01:27:32 (UTC)


F R O G G Y
Please E-Mail me your snail mail address.

Regards Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 01:15:28 (UTC)


Paudie
Is there no limit to your powers of pursuasion? A prince amongst men - nay a king! You deserve special thanks...

Brasso
This is just going to be THE best party! Well done!

Mark Dalton
Come on, Mark... I'd love to catch up with you. Chris and Haze will be there too!

Linda
Good to see that Mike is keeping you in line! He He.

Tina
Can't wait to actually meet you. It will be fantastic to put a face to the Christmas Surprise voice.

Elias
I am expecting to finally give you that hug...

Arthur
You owe 'us' a beer - remember?

Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 21:35:03 (UTC)


Paudie
Well done in getting John and Kim!!! This will be great with you guys playing together. Now, if you could just get John to bring Howie Silk with him...

Mark Dalton
Hello, and hope to see you and yours at the bash.

Heather
Very interesting posting. Dr. Jenkinson was a very well known and excellent doctor in Kitwe. Still made house calls when I was a little girl and I always felt so safe with him. He was very very kind to me and my family through some very trying times with my alcoholic mother. His son was the late John Jenkinson, also much loved by many in Kitwe.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 21:00:41 (UTC)


Paudie

Thanks for your phone call earlier today and all your efforts to get JOHN COSTOPOULOS & KIM over here from SA to perform at the Bash. We ought to set up a partnership - we both work very well and hard together! Yours, Brian Geysers and many others efforts are greatly appreciated - we want this to be the best bash ever! Tentative figures todate look as if we are gonna be approaching the BIG 90 attendee figure!!!!

MARK DALTON

Thanks for your e. mail earlier today re the Bash. I am pleased that your sister alerted U to the GNR web site postings and do sincerely hope U and the family will be able to attend this time - am sure U will be reunited with many old Zambia friends! Please keep me informed of your progress!

Linda Dore (nee Hayes)

Still now news from Balckie Hall or Kevin Shone. Please get them to call me or e. mail me a.s.a.p.

Sarkyarthur

Hey buddy - am I working hard enough for you on this Banbury Bash thing????? Hopefully I won't have to report to the headmaster for a taste of the big stick!!!!!!!!! I am waving my own - it's called a shambok!!!! Hee hee.


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 19:51:42 (UTC)


Northerners
Sometime ago I managed to lay my hands on a file belonging to The Pioneers Association of Northern Rhodesia and am currently scanning all the documents in the file (rather this is the second time - either me or somebody else (probably me) deleted the first lot), so that I can return it to the owner.

It makes very interesting reading and I just wondered whether any of you remembered some of the people (or perhaps their children).

Joseph Taljaard, who was a teacher at Chilongolo, Silver Rest and Nkana Schools from 1925 to 1947
Sidney "Sammy" Turner, Member of the Federal Assembly for Mazabuka 1958 and relected in 1962
James Stupart, Engineer with Anglo American from 1927 to 1961; Life President of Diggers Rugby Club; Chairman of Frederick Knapp and Kitwe Primary Schools PTA; President of Copperbelt Agricultural Show Society (unfortunately no dates given)
Hugh Stanley, Kitwe Mayor (1958/9); Elected to Legco (1959)
Eric Speck, Chairman, Mufulira Municipal Board (no date given)
Jacobus Strauss, Rhodesia Railways (1925 - 1956) in Broken Hill
Rupert Maggs, worked for Rhokhana Corp from 1937 until 1957
Caroline Jack (nee Harris) who in 1961 was living at 126 Kantanta Street, Nkana. Her father was Charles Harris and I wonder if he was the Charles E Harris which was a men's outfitters in Lusaka?
George Jenkinson, Medical Practitioner and Hon. Medical Officer to Coetzee Clinic in Kitwe from its inception until at least 1961 (the file dates to 1961)

These are just a very small selection from the file.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 17:37:42 (UTC)


BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT

Following several discussions with Gary Brasso in his persistent initiative to get free live entertainment for the Banbury Bash, I have come to an arrangement with JOHN COSTOPOULOS, a fellow ex-Mufulira musician, to provide some caberet entertainment at the Banbury Bash. John currently works in a caberet duo with his wife Kim in Durban, South Africa. He has an excellent repetoire of Southern and Central African "nostalgia" songs (including Jeremy Taylor and Wrex Tarr), jokes and banter. Many of you will remember him from his band days in Zambia, and his caberets in the 80's at places like the Edinburgh Hotel, the Ridgeway and clubs all over Zambia. He has also done caberet at the Monamatapwa in Harare, and the Intercontinental in Naiobi.

I have also spoken to BRIAN GEYSER, ex-Lusaka musician, leader and lead guitarist of "The Crusaders", and other Lusaka and Copperbelt bands, fame. IF he can manage to rearrange his business schedules, Brian has agreed to join John Costopoulos and myself on stage to also provide some live music for you all to dance to, featuring 50's, 60's and 70's, and more recent, popular songs.

We will also play a short rendition of "Oh Danny Boy" as a special non-germaine request for Arthur "Danny Boy" Steevens, in recognition of all his excellent hard work for the GNR.

More details to follow.

A big thanks to Gary Brasso for his persistence in not giving up to get live entertainment for us all at the Banbury Bash.

Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 16:24:28 (UTC)


Elias

Boy are you wasting your time. Given half a chance Misses Hayes and Key would far rather be cavorting alongside Ms. Chalcraft. In fact, why am I wasting time writing? Waaaait up Heatherrrrrr!!!!!!!

You'll have the best time in the world cavorting at the bash Elias so live dangerously and pleeeeeeeease be there.

Ali

You little 4 foot 11 wonder - good to hear from you. One day we must get our piccies taken alongside eachother.

Your 5 foot 8 friend.



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 06:21:34 (UTC)


Hi All
A little hello from sunny ?? (the clouds have rolled in for a change) Papakura, I have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and decided to pop in and say hi, and say the sheep are still here and the grass is green, and I am looking forward to going home on Friday to see my little piccanins..sorry Amanda I may have to take the sunshine back to WA it has been so wonderful here, apart from the occaisional frost, a rare sight in Perth!!
Elias......I see you are still making remarks about us vertically challenged.....you will have to learn to read properly......I AM 4 FOOT AND 11 INCHES .....THANKYOU VERY MUCH...at least I have not got far to fall!!!!



LASTLY A BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY CRAIG......AND MAY YOU HAVE MANY MANY MORE!!!

ciao..
Alix...Karaka, Papakura, Auckland, New Zealand!!!

Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 03:57:05 (UTC)


Elias
Looks like Heather has issued a challenge. I'll handle the wagers if you like?

Paudie
Are you going to bring your music now that we are back to Karaoke for the night... he! he! Don't think I spelled that correctly.

Brasso
Have you received a booking from Kevin Shone yet? He is coming too... just to see if Blackie will be more interested in what he has to say, or what I have to say. Ha! Ha! Hey! I just had an idea. Maybe we could organize a wrestling match between you and Blackie.. What do you think? I'll distract him, while you get him in a Full Nelson. On second thoughts, you distract him.... Gawd! I better stay home at this rate. He! He!

Miles Parton
If you are out there still reading silently.. Happy Birthday!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 23:17:24 (UTC)


Elias
Well since you're too chicken, I have had to resort to cavorting with members of the Press. But I would much rather cavort with you!!

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 22:52:04 (UTC)


Gordon Garlick
Hey Gordon, that was nasty!! Those emails about burning bras and cavorting at nightclubs with BBC staff were confidential.
I will have to set Froggy Hayes or even better Alix Key on to you.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:54:18 (UTC)



HEATHER CHALCRAFT.

I don't care what Elias says about you in his private mailings to me because you have to be a very nice person to think of me.
Thank you for the photos of Grasmere. My grandfather George Hornby and my grandmother Elizabeth Hornby are both buried below the east dam on that farm. My grandparents were from the lake district, hence the name.
Where on earth have all the trees gone. It used to be reasonably well wooded and from the road you could not see more than 50 or so meters.
The farm's name lives on in America as my Son in law has named his business Grasmere Dairy Service & Supply.
Fortunately it is growing in leaps and bounds and John Dorrington of Copperbelt fame is an employee.
Thanks again
Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:19:11 (UTC)


Bill Knott
Bill, you dont have to worry about Tony Robertson reading the GNR, he is too busy making money. Pregnant women love him. I found him a bit arrogant and abrupt. He is very good at his job though and has the pregnant women lined up like on a conveyor belt. He doesnt have time for natural births so if the baby isnt on time the woman is induced or dosed with Pethadine and a Caesarian performed.
I heard he is now leaving Zimbabwe.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 21:17:32 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft
Heather great recent pictures of the Itezi Tezhi dam wall.
I wonder if many people realise the sole purpose of this huge dam was to control the level of the Kafue dam a few hundred miles down stream. The Kafue dam has a huge electricity generating potential but the dam itself doesnt hold a huge amount of water so water is stored upstream and released when needed.

One of the most scary episodes in my life was at the Kafue dam while it was being constructed. My neighbour, Collin Fyffe told me that he had heard some Yugoslav contractors had gone through the temporary outlet tunnels on car tubes. We desperately needed to try this but didnt have any transport to get to Namalundu Gorge where the dam was.
I could "borrow" my dad's Oldsmobile Rocket 88, but this was in the days of petrol rationing and my father marked the petrol guage needle and took a note of the mileage before going to work. Anyway Collin managed to get a gallon of diesel and I found a few pints of parafin and a bottle of methalated spirits. We poured this mixture into the petrol tank, disconnected the speedo cable and went off to Kafue with thick blue smoke pouring out the exhaust pipe.
At the dam a young Yugoslav Engineer gave us a couple of car tubes and we paddled slowly to the tunnel entrance. When the current grippped us we were twirled into the tunnel at a terrific speed and suddenly it was completely black and silent and we were bumped into the tunnel walls from side to side until we heard a roaring noise and we were spat out into bright sunlight downstream of the dam wall.
We got back to Lusaka OK and reconnected the speedo cable.
A few days later I heard my dad on the phone complaining to Mr van Eck from Van's Motors that he had sold him contaminated petrol and needed his petrol tank drained.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:55:09 (UTC)


Yo, all you GNR=ers.
I havent posted for a short time because I screwed up on my i.d. once and it told me to go to hell. So I went into a funk, cursed Craig then praised him and just lurked for a few weeks.
Couldnt resist , when I saw the emails from Doug Grewar et. al. about Tony Robertson. (Does he read this??)
As with Doug, I was also in Dorm 4 Williams House, at Gilbert Rennie, in the late 5os with Tony and others. He was a great sportsperson(jeees, see what living in canuckland does to political correctness -so polite, so wussy- person indeed, twit more likely) and also in A levels classes with him. Outdid him in class but couldnt touch the little crip in sports. He went on to N.R fame etc and went to Cape Town U...... just shows ya, - if not Wits , then , really, of no value. A surgeon nog al! I can just see him scuttling around the cutting table with a grin.....
I met his Ma once..... reminded me of mine with the power of her presence... misdirected as I thought Ms. Robbo was,-- but there you go. Living in those times sure gave us diferent viewpoints as to what life and values was about. Now over 60, like so many of you old farts, I had a selection of thoughts as to the world surviving, and now have settled down into conservative,but open to change, views. I often think about how years growing up in a Brit colony, with ideas and expectations of fairness and the equalness of people shaped me as a human. I never had the courage Doug Grewar had, to run politically in the 60's, except at sfe Wits,. but have since caught up with him as I'm fully into national stuff here.
Anyway, back to gossip...... I retain hard memories of selected-only stuff from then and have since hard-wired those as reality, into memory. So thats the truth!
I can understand Doug's dislike of nicknames...... we were bastards then as lighties.
Whoa!! Getting reminiscing here! No way, ek se.
Cheers,

Bill(William T.C.) KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:34:46 (UTC)


Doug Grewar
Undoubtedly old timers disease, although I don't suffer from it yet!! They were in jpeg format so don't know what happened.

Politicians!!! The Pedicle Road is still not tarred and there is still no bridge at Chembe! But I do agree with you about the Pedicle being incorporated into Zambia - it would make a lot more sense.

Gordon Garlick
I took these photos of Grasmere Farm for you when I was on my way to the Kafue Game Park.

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Arthur
This photo of Itezhi Tezhi Dam is specially for you - no sunset in sight.

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And these are for those farming and transport types:

Mumbwa is an important cotton growing area and this was taken outside the ginnery at Mumbwa. From time to time, the cotton gets wet and spontaneous combustion occurs and the driver only realises what is happening when the cab of the truck is engulfed in smoke.

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And a multi-purpose vehicle

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 20:05:03 (UTC)


Dawie

Don't ask me questions like this when I am supposed to be putting my magazine together! I have just spent the last two hours trying to find the information rather than working!!

But first more info on Ngombe Illede which was first 'discovered' in 1960 and was one of the most extensive archaeological sites in Zambia, particularly the evidence of the second occupation (15th Century). Eleven richly decorated skeletons were found. They wore iron, copper and gold. The copper had preserved several pieces of cotton cloth, mostly of local manufacture, but one piece which was believed to have come from India. Other ornaments were sea shells, gold plate and glass beads. Also found were bundles of thick copper wire, bars of copper and cross-shaped copper ingots, in an area where no copper occured. It was therefore surmised that they had an extensive trade network which included the Copperbelt and Shaba.

Also found were two amulet holders - the only ones of their kind reported from Southern Africa. It is thought that these were of a kind commonly worn by Arabs. The conclusion has been that there was significant trade, from about 1350 onwards, between the Arabs and the Zambian interior, at least along the Zambezi and that Ngombe Illede played a central role in the regional trade network which extended as far as the Zimbabwe plateau to the south and the Copperbelt/Shaba to the north. One researcher has suggested that Ngombe Illede's rise to trading prominence may have played a significant part in the collapse of the Great Zimbabwe state, by replacing the trade route along the Sabi River on which Great Zimbabwe's prosperity had been built.

Of particular interest were the eight copper ingots cast in the form of elongated, flanged crosses. These were found not only at Ngombe Illede, but also at Chedzurgwe in Zimbabwe and some other sites. They were almost identical in shape and six are almost identical in size and weight, suggesting that they were intended to be of the same value and thus were used as a currency.

At Ngombe Illede they also found three iron bells, each consisting of a sheet of iron, cut in an hour-glass shape and then folded over, with the edges welded into a narrow flange. The significance of these bells is that they were known to be symbols of chieftainship in the Congo basin.

I have come up empty handed as regards specific information on the Arab graveyard at Kansanshi except that I know that it is designated as a national heritage site.

Hopefully I shall visit there in October when I plan to go to Mwinilunga, Kalene Hill and the source of Zambezi River, but right now, my thoughts are on my next trip which is to the waterfalls in the Luapula and Northern Provinces - Mulombwa Falls near Serenje, then across the Luapula River on a two-kilometre long bridge, round the bottom of Lake Bangweulu to Mumbuluma Falls near Mansa (Fort Rosebery), to Mbereshi with its 100-year old church, Ntumbachusi Falls near Kawambwa. After that it is Lumangwe Falls which are known as the Victoria Falls of the North, then Kabweluma Falls, Lupupa Falls and then Chishimba Falls outside Kasama. After that it is Kapishya Hot Springs and Shiwa again and then Kundalila Falls, Kaudinia Falls and another set of falls whose name escapes me right now.

There are about 15 (at this stage) of us going in four or five vehicles, one of whom is Quentin Allen, one of our artists, who has kindly said I can take some of his paintings over to the bash in Banbury if I make it. Here is one of his paintings that I scanned last week, just to give you a taste.

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 19:37:48 (UTC)


Elias

Whadya mean, an honest man? I have a photo of your election poster when you were standing for election as Mayor of Chisekesikesi :-) I hope to have a better photo after the Banbury Bash.

Politics is easy, you just have to promise the people what they want. I promised the people in Fort Roseberry (Mansa) a tar road through the Congo pedicle and a bridge over the Luapula at Chembe. I got 100% of their vote but Peter Wulff (United Federal Party) won by getting more votes in Mufulira. I think he promised them free beer. I still think the road and bridge would have been a good idea. It would have created development in Mufulira as well. In fact I think the whole Congo Pedicle should be re-incorporated into Zambia.

I am sorry to hear that Madelaine Robertson and her husband are late. She was prepared to stand up and fight for what she believed in. As for Tony's nickname 'Twot' or 'Twat' I cannot remember how he got it but it seems quite suitable seeing that he later became a pussy mechanic.

Heather
I don't know whether its just me getting old timers disease, or if you did something different, but I had a small problem saving those two baobab photos. I saved them as usual in my 'GNR flora file' but they only appeared there as a microsoft flag icon. I had to open them into a photo program and resave them in a jpeg format. Anyway it worked. Thank you for all your beautiful photos!

Johnny
You hit the nail on the head when you said that many people must have taken aim at that photo of those bucks by the dambo. I did exactly that.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 18:05:37 (UTC)


Heather,

...written to the 25th anniversary issue of Band on The Run...


Fantastic information on ancient Northern Rhodesia! You know I love stuff like this! The boabab's are incredible, especially the second one.

Now, what I would really like to verify is the so-called "Arab slave trader" graveyard in Kansanshi. Can anyone verify this to be historically correct?

I remember seeing the graveyard as a very young boy, but myths and legends develop quickly out in the bundu far from the metropolitan hubbub of the Copperbelt.

Apparently the Arabs were active in central Africa right into the 19th century. When did they start? Could we presume that the only non-British foreigners in the area were then the Arabs, Portuguese, South Africans (Boere), and perhaps later the Belgians and Germans?

Tot kijk...

DvdB

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 12:55:46 (UTC)


To Whom It May Concern and I am taking names...

This is Mike "The Fearless Conqueror" Hayes a.k.a. Linda's better half. I know that she is showing all sorts of public bravado on the site regarding the Bash, but I just wanted to let y'all know that I am the carpenter who makes her 2x4's. I have the plans, I have my own 2x4, and I am very adept with it. The trick has never been in catching Linda, but more in keeping her once you have caught her. Many of you are breathing sighs of relief that you got away. I have kept her in line for 16 years. Take pity on me. Give her a good time and send her home in one piece. And may the force be with you!

Mike Hayes


Oh, don't take any notice of him. He is just a big teddy bear. I told him he can't come because he doesn't speak the language and doesn't know any rugby songs.. He! He!

Linda

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 03:28:37 (UTC)


Dawie

At the beginning of July I went down to Siavonga for a weekend and on the way back did something I have been promising to do for many years - I visited Ngombe Illede.

Ngombe Illede means 'the place where the cow lies down' and is close to the confluence of the Lusitu and Zambezi Rivers, in a very marginal area.

The site appears to have been an Iron Age village from about 700 - 1000 AD and then in about 1400 it was reoccupied and the excavations there have shown that the pottery of the later inhabitants was of much higher quality that that of their contemporaries in other parts of the country.

But what I am trying to get to is that, I understand, Ngombe Illede was a Portuguese trading post in the 16th Century. Just how large or how important a trading post, I have not been able to establish as yet.

I have to admit that it is not a terribly inspiring place to visit, so I shall probably not visit there again. But I did take some photographs for you.

The road in Click for image.

Ngombe Illede Click for image.




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 02:01:56 (UTC)


Thanks again to everyone for the birthday wishes.

Doug W.,

I agree with you (to a certain extent) from the recipients' perspective on your point regarding just deleting spam when you receive it. However, as the operator of a mail server that has to process that spam before you receive it, the whole process costs me money. Considering I also spent about 90 minutes today dealing with spam-related issues (for my company), it costs me time (which is more money). Since I'm not fond of burning money, I'm equally not fond of spam and do what I can to prevent it.

That said, this discussion doesn't have much to do with the GNR, so feel free to e-mail me privately if you'd like to continue the discussion.

Doug G.,

Your weather even made the news here today! Yes, you're right about these weenie Canucks. It's a "blistering" (!) 26 degrees Celsius (whew!) here today at five in the afternoon. You should hear people complain!

Tina,

I don't really enjoy the spammer hunting (because it's a huge waste of my time, although I do enjoy the challenge), but I do enjoy it when I get a really big bite and haul one in. Occasionally a spammer will slip up and I will be able to effectively block all of their spam. Those kinds of catches are rare, but I enjoy those. Similarly I enjoyed catching that one "Nigerian" red-handed the other day, and shutting him down in ways he would have been able to understand clearly as he was trying to send a message. To see what our blocked Nigerian friends see, have a look at the "Forbidden" page.

Liz,

I have heard of MailWasher (I think that's what my brother uses), but I have not used it myself -- although I did briefly use a similar product a few years ago. As an end user (which most of us are) I prefer to take other measures to reduce my personal exposure to spam, which don't require me to install more software on my computer and take an extra step to check my e-mail (which I do every ten minutes during the work day, so that's a lot of extra steps). However, as I said to Doug, as the operator of a mail server the problem is much bigger and much more complicated.

As far as amusing spam is concerned, it doesn't get more amusing that the one I received a few days ago from a guy who addressed it to "aliens, time travellers and people in possession of government secrets". I don't fall into any of those categories, but it was hilarious -- even more so because he seemed serious. E-mail me if you want a copy.

Elias,

I think that you and Liz may be referring to growth in different areas of the body. Just a hunch.

Scarscalp,

Good luck to you and Debs!


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 00:13:01 (UTC)


Nelson junior is just having a lie in and recruiting his/her strength until "cooked". Catch up on your sleep - you'll need it.

This is just their little introduction to "my timing is never your timing." You'll find out soon that along with the incredible wonder and joy of this little one you'll be taking on the hours and appearance of a bush baby for a while due to that timing. The message may even be further reinforced down the line when you and your wife are in bed and, well, looking eachother right in the eyes, and a dear little moppet tickles your feet needing a glass of water. Many more examples available over the years, but those kids are soooo worth it..... Recruit your strength.

We're meeting our grown kids and granddaughter in Vegas soon and I was idly looking at Ghost Towns in Nevada (for side trips). Wow! There is one called Transvaal. It lived as a gold mining town from 1906 to 1907. Had a newspaper - one copy of which remains in the library in nearby Beatty, Nevada. It was across a river too as the name suggests.


Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 23:55:32 (UTC)


Mr J Green (back),
You are a wicked old man. I will try out your method in the morning if all else fails.

Elias,
I lived in Sinoia and out at Alaska.

Heather,
I dont think it is wind, theres this bump thing that moves from time to time. I'm sure she is pregnant.

Cheers.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 22:33:29 (UTC)


Elias,
Vertically challenged I may be but I did say that I'm OVER 5 ft. (just)!!!!!!
Some of those junk mails are just too hilarious for words and I wouldn't miss them for the world. Just think what you could do with those growth hormones - the mind fairly boggles. And all credit card payments taken care of as well - idyllic or what!

Liz Downing (née Gregory)Click here to contact me
Lincs., United Kingdom
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 21:21:28 (UTC)


Doug Grewar
Hey Doug, I didnt know you were involved in politics. I always thought you were an honest man. Anyway, how about some reminicences of your political days.
I am glad you called Madeleine Robertson a "battleaxe", I was going to do the same but thought someone might be offended. My mother and Madeleine were good friends through the Women's Institute, my mum told me she was indeed a real battle axe. Apparently in the early days of independence she gave up her British passport and joined the African National Congress and white people used to spit at her in the street. She also used to work for Edward Shamwana the solicitor who was imprisoned for life by Kaunda for an attemted coup. Later on life after she had been rejected by both political parties she tried to get her British passport back and met a lot of difficulty.

Both her and her husband are buried in Lusaka, I am not sure where though. Now Doug this may be a bit obnoxious but I am intrigued as to her son's nickname "Twat Robertson", how did he get that that name. It wouldnt have anything to do with him being a gynacologist in later life?
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 20:37:44 (UTC)


Doug Grewar
You're right - it is all relative - a bit like bad roads. I often have people ask me what a road is like and I tell them it's not too bad, but only because I twice drove to Dar es Salaam when the Great North Road was so bad that trucks were breaking their axles in the potholes (it has been rebuilt since then and is now an excellent road)

Scarscalp
Nothing yet? I think it must be wind!

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 20:28:59 (UTC)


There was a chap called Blackie who worked in Mufulira, in the mid to late 60's I think. I can't remember his surname but I was impressed by him having not 1 but 2 stripteasers from a nightclub in Ndola staying with him in the 'single' quarters. We called the one girl 'Nelson' because she had a glass eye.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 19:58:51 (UTC)


Elias
I was in Dorm 4, Williams House at Gilbert Rennie with Tony Robertson, the son of Madelaine. Bill Knott must remember him. He was a keen cricketer. I met his Mom some years later when I was involved in politics and she took off with me when I refered to him by his nickname which was 'Twot Robertson'. What a battleaxe!

Kids can be naughty with nicknames. I didn't like mine of 'Wirebrush' but I really hated 'Banda'. Later on at Gwebi College I was much more appropriatly called 'Chopper'.

Heather
I seem to recall that the Zambians had some sort of joke about the Kaonde people who they said would die of cold, when it gets slightly chilly. I guess its all relative, those canucks are sweating in temperatures that would make us shiver. Bill seems to take -30c in his stride.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 19:48:33 (UTC)


Barry (Blackie) Hall

So please Linda has managed to persuade U to attend the Banbury Bash on 21 Sept. Have added U to list of attendees and looking forward to meeting U again. If U need to contact me call me on my mobile 07767 252302,

Elias G

Hey - quit taking the mick out of U short ones. We do well with our short statures - I work as a "Rent a Gnome" on weekends sitting outside peoples fish ponds with me wee rod! Ladies luv the realistic look. Hee hee.


Bash Attendees!!!!!

Those of U who have sent your braai meal payments - thank you. Those of U yet to pay could U pleasssssssse send your payments pronto - I need maningi Kwachas to pay the booze, borewors and wine bwanas to keep U all happy & fed and them!


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 19:26:56 (UTC)


Linda Dore

Quite a coup getting Blackie Hall to come to the Banbury Bash!

Looking forward to meeting him again, and yourself of course, after all these years.

Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 16:26:01 (UTC)


Graham Nelson
Whatever you do dont try the old fashioned way of using castor-oil. It doesnt work. My middle son was delivered in a hospital in Chinhoi, Zimbabwe and was attended by a really old Dr Linington who used to ride to the hospital in his dressing gown and pyjamas if he was called out.
Dr Linington didnt believe in inducement so despite numerous doses of castor-oil my son was still two weeks late. He was so ugly when born that I went to the nurses to query if they hadnt given me the wrong baby. I was assured that he was the only white baby in Chinhoi so he must have been mine.

A few years later my youngest son was born in The Avenues Hospital, Harare and things were completely different, the surgeon, Mr Robertson came to an agreement when the baby was supposed to born and he plugs in a drip and soon the baby popped out.
By the way the surgeon was the son of Madelaine Robertson, the famous outspoken politician who belonged to the A.N.C. the opposing party to U.N.I.P.
Good Luck
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 15:26:18 (UTC)


Brasso
Never fear when Linda is near! Guess who's coming to dinner? Barry (Blackie) Hall. Add him to the list please. He is trying to contact you so if you don't hear from him, please get in touch with him.

Bwana Shoe Shiney Shone
Didn't I challenge you that the call of the wild for Blackie would be stronger with me than with you? Ha! Ha! I better behave myself or people will not realise that I am a very happily (and trustworthy.. choke...) wife. He! He!


Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 13:34:41 (UTC)



Graham if the car ride fails you could always fall back on the method I mentioned in a past reminicence that was the method used on the girls of Balovale by there mid wives, that of tying them to a tree and lashing there tummies with light branches or twigs I dont know if the missus would agree to this method but you dont have to tell her what is going to happen till you have well secured to the tree, and if you play some loud music the neighbors will never know what is going on I suppose it would be prudent to have a mobile phone handy then you can diall 999 for an ambulance when things are looking promising I hope dear your wife remembers to thank me after she has given birth for a little known method of childbirth in the UK, love and Regards Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 09:14:53 (UTC)


Heather,
I kicked debs out of bed this morning to go walk the dog. Sent her off with the words "it will do you good". She got back into bed and said she had a stich (sounds good I thought). However as yet still nothing. I have a little 4x4 of my own. Debs does't know it yet but she is going for a drive this morning, I've had enough now. The state of the roads in the UK should do the job.
Will keep you posted.
Cheers.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 08:14:34 (UTC)


Doug Grewar
Holiday in Zambia in June or July? Are you crazy? It's been freezing here too, except for the last two weeks when we have enjoyed some warmer weather. Saturday night was so warm, that I had to get rid of the duvet and sleep with just a sheet. But it's still not warm enough to switch the ceiling fans on. And we shall, undoubtedly, have a cold spell in the next few days - your cold weather usually takes about four or five days to reach us.

David Main
You know my sister? Then how come your name doesn't ring a bell with me?

Scarscalp
If nothing has happened yet, you had better send Debs out here and we'll take her for a drive on one of our bumpy roads - a tried and tested method that is guaranteed to get things moving along.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 05:37:43 (UTC)


Dawie

You will be most welcome! The sun is coming up in a clear blue sky this morning, what a pleasure.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 22, 2002 at 04:51:21 (UTC)


Douggie W
You are stretching it a bit, trying to convince us that a man of the world like you would believe those adverts are aimed at women. I have also recieved some junk mail for operations garanteeing extensions. Unfortunately it is quite graphicaly illustrated and looks very painful as they cut tendons and muscles in delicate places.
OH OH that doesnt look very politicaly correct so I had better put in some local content to pacify the censors. So here goes-

Dim Doctors
Has anyone ever wondered whether all these clever people, doctors, teachers, bank managers, lawyers etc have any commonsense?
I began to wonder after an incident with a running partner of mine who was a highly qualified physician as was his wife. They stayed on a 5 acre smallholding opposite Chainama Hills Mental Hospital, and Richard started to complain about rats in his attic. He then told me he was going to gas the rats, so I presumed he was going to get a pest control company to come and let off some of those little harmless to humans, gas bombs.
Anyway early one Saturday morning I turned up at his house for our usual run and found his landrover running and parked next to the house with a hosepipe stuffed into the exhaust pipe and the other end up into the roof space. I immediately thought he had commited suicide so I broke down the kitchen door, rushed into the kids bedroom, dragged the screaming terrified kids outside and went back to fetch him and his wife only to find him rushing at me with a shotgun.
Fortunately this happened in October, the hottest month of the year so all the house windows were open and there was a slight breeze which cleared any build up of gas.
Only after reminding him of how deadly Carbon Monoxide poisoning is did he realise that he had almost killed his whole family..
Doug Waybush talking about extensions reminded me of this because he was called Dozey Dick afterwards.
Elias
ps. The rat problem was solved.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 23:21:10 (UTC)


Liz/Tina/Elias - yep Mailwasher works fine although I never read anything about ladies growing four inches a day - I assumed they were referring to something else . Anyway I thought that it was stretching it a bit , so I deleted it anyway ...

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 22:32:45 (UTC)


Liz Downing
Liz that is an interesting program, I have just checked their website. Junk mail doest really bother me and some like you say can be amusing like the 4 inch overnight growth. That must be great business because the majority of the messages are about that. They are guaranteed as well, I wonder if you are claiming against the guarantee, how do you prove there was no growth. Do the companies insist on a "before" and "after" photo? Or do they send a young woman around with a ruler.
By the way Liz, I know Garry Brasso wont mind as he is a good sport, are you taller him? I know Alix Key will be happy to find another "shorty" as she is always looking for anyone around her hight 4foot 9inches.
Best regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 21:42:53 (UTC)


Why not use MailWasher - a brilliant anti-spam program. It not only roots out all the garbage but also bounces it back to where it came from. If you're not too sure whether you'd like to have a look at it or not (how to grow 4 inches overnight - as I'm only just a tad over 5 ft, thought this would be interesting but it just didn't apply) you can preview it before bouncing it or downloading it. It really couldn't be simpler!

Liz Downing (née Gregory)Click here to contact me
Lincs., United Kingdom
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 20:10:59 (UTC)


Craig

You know what? I've decided you just thoroughly enjoy the sport of spammer catching. My cartoon brain sees you as a little terrier by a rat hole. Kerunch! Shake, shake, shake. Heh Heh I've caught another one.





Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 19:51:59 (UTC)


Doug et al,

Hey Doug, boet! Hoe gaat het?

Yes, I've heard how cold it has been in the old Republic... friends in Kaapstad said they were going up into the berge to see the snow.

Here in Amsterdam it was so bloody hot, it felt like Mozambique, but now it has cooled off with a little rain.

As you might have heard, I might be taking a job in England, if one is offered. I might hear something this week. I would prefer not to work in England, but I must take the jobs where they exist in Europe. I should also scope out Germany---after next week I might do a check-trip out to Berlin if the English jobs are a no-go.

I still plan to visit South Africa sometime this year, I hope---and Gauteng and KwaZuluNatal are on my list. I hope you will be able to show me around Vrijheid!

Tot kijk...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 16:33:50 (UTC)


Happy Birthday Craig. You are at the prime of life, enjoy! In some ways I envy you, but looking back I have enjoyed the trip and I don't think I would like to do it all again.

Recently I was in Joburg and I met Jenny who I have corresponded with by email for the last 18 months ever since I saw her address in the visitors book at Sir Stewart Gore-Browns house near Chinsali. I was visiting my ex-Wife and my Daughter for Xmas 2000. Having read about the house in the book 'The Africa House' by Christina Lamb, I decided to visit it. It was quite astonishing and worth the long drive. Jenny had been there the previous day with a film crew making a video about Zambia. I was interested to get a copy of the video so I contacted her and we have been in contact since then. Anyway I met her in Sandton on Wednesday and we spent the night on her farm near Hartebeestpoort Dam. A nice place and a nice person.

Here in KwaZuluNatal the banana province of 'Sunny South Africa' we are freezing. For the last 3 days and nights in the middle of the 'dry season' it has not stopped raining. We have had 80mm, over 3 inches. This is more than anything we had in the 'rainy season'. The temperature in Lusaka yesterday was 27c, Joburg 9c, and Vryheid 5c. Further south they have had heavy snow, that closed roads stranding buses and cars for 2 days plus, and collapsing shopping centre roofs. Many people have died because of this lousy weather. This doesn't seem like Africa at all. Today at last, things seem to be clearing up.

I think I must make a plan to holiday in Zambia for June July and August in future.

Best Regards - Doug


Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 11:39:39 (UTC)


Hey Craig - first congrats on your birthday and second don't get so uptight about these Nigerians and the other spam artists. Hell we all get ads in the mail ,especially in the Sunday newspapers ,but we just ignore most of them and throw them away . So computer spam is the same - if you're not interested just delete it . No big deal.

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Sunday, July 21, 2002 at 02:49:21 (UTC)


Nigerians Again

They had another go (from Bangladesh this time) between 04:27 and 04:57 this morning (Pacific time) and it looks like they sent 12 messages (including two to me). Sorry -- as Heather pointed out below, "I wasn't awake". Looks like they probably hit the 12 most recent posters. I have blocked a range of 16 IP addresses belonging to Spectra Solutions, Ltd. in Bangladesh.

Guess how they found us. By doing a search for "www.current 2002 private emails guest book of 31 old men from U S A". Weird.

I've thought of another way to discourage them that is less technical and more psychological. I'll implement that as soon as I can.

Birthday

Thank-you Fiona, Arthur, Gary and GNR poet laureate Heather. Much appreciated. Half way to 70, as one of my brothers kindly pointed out.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 19:49:04 (UTC)


Canuk Craig !!!!!

Happy birthday pal. I won't ask your age as I'm sure it's the better side of 30! Hee hee.

David Main - Ex Ndola/Lusaka.

Thanks for the phone call yesterday afternoon. Welcome to UK - newcomer only here 7 months or so. As I promised I am posting this message for U. Anyone who knows David from old zam days he'd welcome a call on 01827 60666. Hope U R going to be able to make the Banbury Bash. Heather Chalcraft hopes to attend but am not sure about her sister!!! I too would like to see Lesley & Mark Dalton at Bash as well. Anyone out there have contact with the Daltons get them to contact me or David.

Bash Attendees

Arrangements going ahead full swing now. Those who are attending and who have not yet posted their braai payments could U please do so soonest as I need to start negotiations & payments with suppliers if U all want to be fed!

The unfortunate bad news - Brian Geyser was not able to get all the band members of "The Crusaders" together for 21 Sept as a few of threm have prior business travel arrangements for the weeked of the Bash! Obviously a disappointment but the guys have to feed their families U know. I thank Brain and those other band members who have been working so hard to try to get the band together for the bash - your efforts have been appreciated. Brian I still hope we will see U and those others at the Bash even if not as band players.

Scarscalp & Debs.

Graham thanks for the phone call and offer of assistance with Bash arrangements. I may yet take U up on your offer BUT U just prepare for the latest impending addition to the Scarscalp clan! Debs - U take care and let us know when the new arrival has arrived! Best of luck.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 18:08:56 (UTC)


Tut, tut, tut
He doesn't know the meaning of 'hardegat,'
He has a weakness for Cadbury chocs,
And don't look too carefully at the holes in his socks.

At his keyboard he sits all day,
Checking out what we have to say,
Watch out, beware, if you step out of line,
Or if you start to whinge or whine,
And if you dare post any spam,
Or try the latest West African scam,
He'll pounce on you as quick as can be,
Try it once and then you'll see.

Too much technology brings a glaze to his eyes,
And he has a problem with judging size,
He tells us how to hide words that are bad,
And prefers stories typed in Notepad,
He enjoys drinking Guinness by the keg,
And laughs at me when I have to beg
Because I've made another mistake
Says 'I'm sorry, I wasn't awake'

Craig, my Bamba Zonke mate,
I certainly didn't forget the date,
And now all I'm going to say
is 'I hope you have a Happy Birthday'


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 10:42:10 (UTC)


Craig the Younger

Happy Birthday Boet !



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 10:00:21 (UTC)


Hey Wantok,
Theres NO faries on this site.
No Picanninies either as yet.
Lookim u.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 08:17:46 (UTC)


Happy 35th Birthday Craig

I thought you were ageing pretty well for a 42 year old! I hope you have a wondrous year. I Wonder if the birthday fairy will post a birthday message for you. She's obviouly been too busy entertaining the forces to post birthday messages lately.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 08:09:37 (UTC)


I'd normally wait until the end of the day to thank all and sundry, but Mr. Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names) is leading everybody astray. I can't even imagine how it must feel to be as old as 42. Please check my bio for the correct, much smaller, number.

Thanks anyway Scarscalp, B... (aka Linda) and Tina.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 07:12:47 (UTC)


Craig's Forty-two eh? Why yes, I can aaaaalmost think back that far.

Happy birthday you young whippersnapper.

Where are my teeth?



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 06:59:28 (UTC)


HAPPY BUFFDAY BWANA HUDNUTTS!

Eskusie this one times to return from a dead places, but is importanti to me, mysef, B........ , shhhhh.... to wish you a wondrous times to your buffday! Is only one times, and now I'm going.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 20, 2002 at 00:22:46 (UTC)


Craigus McBossy,
Happy birthday for tomorrow. Hope the age of 42 doesn't get you down toooomuch!!!


Thanks Heather.
Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Friday, July 19, 2002 at 22:43:11 (UTC)


Elias
Honest Greek? Is that not an oxymoron?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, July 19, 2002 at 12:22:48 (UTC)


Dave Cooper
Dave, come to Dundee. The Scots are very friendly. Lots of libraries for you to take your shoes of. A huge brand new University library. You will learn the languauge quickly.
I will keep a flat empty for you.
--------------------------------------------
Craig Hartnet and Nigerians
Craig, as I was writing to Dave Cooper about flats. I remembered I had a Nigerian student staying in one of my flats. He was studying Mining Law and claimed to be the son of a prince. After a few years he started to fall behind with his rent until he was 6 months in arrears. One night I visited him and told him I was going to take the wheels of his car if he didnt pay up. He paid up the next morning using a credit card, but shortly afterwards disappeared. He left behind some very fancy computer equipment. I wonder if there isnt some connection between him and the volume of Nigerian mail I receive?
By the way this isnt a hint to Dave Cooper that I will take the wheels off his car if he doesnt pay rent.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, July 19, 2002 at 10:54:41 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS IN THE UK!

PLEASE EXCUSE THE LACK OF GNR CONTENT IN THIS MESSAGE...


I might have to take work in the United Kingdom, as the companies in my line of work are concentrated there and are few here in Nederland during this time of global economic recession.

I could also take work in Germany, Belguim, and France, where the recession is not as pronounced in my line of work as here in Nederland, which is still reeling from the assassination of Pim Fortuyn and its consequences. But I am more comfortable working in the UK, where I have worked and lived before. (I don't speak German. I do speak French).

Should I accept a position (for which I am currently applying at two UK companies), I would need to move to the UK and find a small bedsit or flat near my work. I would keep my principal home here in Amsterdam (an apartment which I have recently purchased in the centre of the city on the Singel gracht).

Is there anyone on the GNR Message Board who has property they might want to rent out to me in the UK? Currently both positions for which I am being considered are in the Guildford area near London. However, I might go to other situations as far afield as Glasgow, Manchester, Derby, etc.

If you know of property or have property to rent to me in the UK, please contact me directly, and I would be most appreciative.

PS: There is a chance I will be in England in the next fortnight for interviews. This will be in the London region.

Thank you very much.

DAVE COOPER
Founder: The Great North Road website
Amsterdam telephone number: +31.20.42.888.10




Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Friday, July 19, 2002 at 08:18:42 (UTC)


Ken, Johnny - My boys say it's a tie between you so far for the best fire story. Blowing up a landrover and incinerating your mother's knickers along with dad's boxing shorts are both great stories. Linda's story gets the special pathos award.

Remember the hiss and golden glow of pressure lamps against the velvet night with wolf spiders and geckos munching up lamp-braaied insects?

Sarky - How's that new computer system coming along? Are you back with us yet? Are those distant muffled cusswords I seem to hear coming from the North side of the Mersey? Well, hopefully the installation is going well.

Sandra Hooper - I dunno, one's going to make a fool of oneself somewhere sometime anyway - but then I can say with all modesty and just a little blush - I do have a special gift. You are among friends who love to hear from eachother - tell your stories.

Jill - Lovely (drool, slurp, wish) account of your latest time in the bush.

Craig - Congrats on your latest nab!

Everyone - Hugs!

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, July 19, 2002 at 06:22:18 (UTC)


Nigerian Update

The Nigerians from the Ivory Coast (go figure) made another attempt on the Names Directory this morning (Pacific time). They managed to send nine truncated messages, and for some reason they chose to send Elias six of them! The ninth message was to me and then they suddenly found themselves staring at a screen which told them they were forbidden further access. I love catching people red-handed.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 22:59:01 (UTC)


"FIRE,FIRE".......

As a young boy growing up in Kasama during the early 1950's, I always welcomed the ritual after dinner of having my daily bath and getting into my pyjamas before settling down for a well deserved sleep.

Shortly after supper, I would pick up my candle, electrity had not yet arrived in Kasama, and headed towards the bathroom where I would place it on a shelf below the towel rack. Having reached a certain age of maturity and becoming more discreet, I would lock the door, draw my bath, and languish in the warm bubbly water, watching the shadows and flickering flame dance on the PWD white washed walls.

Quite often, Mum's dainties which had been carefully hand washed would be placed on the towel rack to dry.

On one particular occassion as I lay in the bath, trying to blow thunder bubbles, I noticed that the gentle flickering flame of the candle had become a wall of fire .Jumping out of the bath , I unlocked the door and in the buff, beat a hasty retreat shouting "FIRE, FIRE", which brought an immediate response from Mum, Dad, and Timothy the houseboy.

Dad the hero of the day soon had the flames extingushed, and immediately started whimpering, not at the fact, Mum's lacey dainties had been destroyed, but rather that his new blue silk boxing trunks with the white waistband had been consumed by the raging fire.

Receiving very little sympathy and under a cloud of parental concern about my arsonist tendencies, I was rushed of to bed without enjoying the warmth and comfort of my evening mug of cocoa.







Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 22:45:31 (UTC)


The Black Velvet Night Club
Years ago I used to get quite upset when I was teased about crooked Greek businessmen. Unfortunately as the years passsed the list of their misdemeanors grew. They were involved with currency smuggling, hardwood exports, ivory smuggling, emerald smuggling, collapsing banks, mealy meal smuggling, one distant cousin even imported a juke box and a football machine, stripped them down and made pirate copies which he then exported to Botswana, Zaire and Malawi.
Now the latest dodge, a countryman called Leonidas Pappatis
had a nightclub called Black Velvet on the Kafue Road which was valued at US$100,000 but was sold to ex-president Chiluba for US$1.3million. This money was paid to Pappatis from a secret account held in London.
Strangely although he is over a million dollars richer, the property is still registered in his own name.

So Heather next time you are on your way to your school can you take some photos please, its just nearby.
The Honest Greek
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 21:37:05 (UTC)


Hi All!

Soory for the long silence.

ROGER WARD

Does anyone have his new email address? Please let me have it as every time I reply the mail just bounces back.

I was on the southern side on the Zambezi when Heather was in Lower Zambezi National Park. At Mana Pools with Otto camping. We were privileged to watch wild dogs hunting - and bringing down an impala ewe just 50 metres from our tent!

Sorry folks, no photos - not as accomplished as Heather, I'm afraid! Got it on video though!

I have now got Alex and Eileen Forrest and Kathy Barnett and hubby Gus Venter promising to come to Zambian reunion next year!

Hope you're all well.

Jilly

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 19:58:24 (UTC)



Your mention of bush fire stories brings to mind a guy who lived in I think was 12 st who told me this story which had only happened that week he and his buddy had gone out like we used to do ,with the idea of burning a specific area so when the rains came this is where we would return to get our Manyama.
They tied a petrol soaked branch to the rear of the landrover and set it on fire and then proceeded to drive along the edge of this large dambo, they completed there run and jumped out to release the branch when he saw a tongue of flame emitting from under the rover he bent down to check what was happening and saw that his petrol tank was leaking and could see the approaching catastrophe he screamed to his buddy to run and had only gone a few yards when the tank exploded and of course that was it ,they watched it burn out and then had a 30 kilometre walk back to the Solwezi road where they were lucky to get a lift back to Chingola and cry into there beers, if the guy involved reads this I am sorry to awaken memories of some thing he would prefer to forget, but another lesson for the youngsters always check you have no leaks when you go out burning it only takes a minute.Regards to all Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 08:21:42 (UTC)



Heather great pics my girl they sure took me back thanks and keep up this great job you are doing, I bet Charlie had his sights on your two water buck I know I did and quite a few oldtimers I think. Love Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 07:51:47 (UTC)


Heather
What beautiful photos. Thanks again!! Do you develop your own pictures? It always feels like we are right there.

Seems we all have an "accidental fire" story in our book of memories. When my sister and I lived with my father in an old farmhouse on the Ndola road, we had a disastrous fire. The house belonged to Frank Jackson and was opposite the Coetzee clinic, just outside Kitwe. There was an orchard there, mainly grapefruit. My sister, aged about 12 or possibly younger, would ride her bicycle into town from that farm with grapefruit to sell. It seems unreal now when I think of the distance she had to cycle... One day, my father, who chain smoked all his life, was out in the orchard and threw the butt away without stamping it out properly. The fire was almost instantaneous, and spread so quickly that within less than an hour, the whole orchard burned to the ground. The farm employees were exhausted trying to put it out, especially as we did not have running water on the farm. My dad sobbed at his recklessness and I learned that day that just an instant of not paying attention can affect so many people. I have a very healthy respect for bush fire.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 01:37:51 (UTC)


Heather
Thanks for the fantastic photos though they made me even more homesick! The bush fire brought back memories of a fire that was "accidentally" started by my sister Joy and I whilst we lived in Garneton, we had sore bums for a very long time afterwards. My favourite piccie though is the sunsetm there is nothing more beautiful than an African sunset and I think that is the sight that I miss the most.

Arthur
Thanks for the encouragement although it's a lot easier to be a lurker, that way you can't make a fool of yourself!

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 01:18:35 (UTC)


Heather

Specially great photos because it felt like we were in the Bush too experiencing familiar things. How cool to have pictures of a bush fire and Matabele ants along with elephants and hippos and that amazing mokoro dusk shot.

I remember a bush fire at the farm at Botha's Rust when I was very young. My dad was away on business and my Mom and the servants were out there doing everything so the fire didn't jump the firebreaks. I hindered, I mean helped, a little bit too. Our faithful hound, the Ridgeback Moffat, came too .... just long enough to see that this was no fun ... at which point she turned round and made for the house at a steady trot.



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 21:03:01 (UTC)



Dear Heather Re Your job as an overload controller were you that girl that used to stand at the entrance to the compounds
on the copperbelt checking the the donkey carts and other vehicles taking there sacks of charcoal to the markets for overloading offences, I knew I had seen you before somewhere.Love Johnny.x


john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 17:28:02 (UTC)


I remember the smell and the crackling sound of bushfires very well and am terrified of fire to this day. We lived opposite the bush in Luanshya and the railway line ran through it, so we had quite a few scary fires, some deliberately started for sure. I am scared of fire to this day, notwithstanding the time I tried to set fire to my own house with a chip pan, but that's another story.....

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 15:34:46 (UTC)


Not just the smell of bush fires. Do you remember the sound?

Liz Downing (née Gregory)Click here to contact me
Lincs., United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 15:08:34 (UTC)


Heather
As usual, your photos are stunning!! While I'm sitting shivering in an ICY Jo'burg, the pics of Chirundu brought back memories of the stifling heat as we travelled 'down south' on holiday - they really warmed me up! And I really do remember the smell of bush fires - wonderful!
Thanks for all your trouble - it's very much appreciated.
Regards

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 12:28:14 (UTC)


Arthur

Thanks for your kind words !

Re being cruel to crocodiles - Beware, "never smile at a crocodile!"

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 09:45:28 (UTC)


David Gray
I've also just had a look at your biograhy in the names directory and see that you are with SANRA. Our paths may well have crossed in the last ten years - I'm that miserable woman who is the 'expert' (note the inverted commas) on overload control in Zambia. I am sure we have many common acquaintances.

As Arthur says, I will be contacting you for stories, but I think the easiest will be when Charlie finally organises his Cape Town Caper because if it's on the right date, I will fly down to Cape Town for a few days.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 06:26:17 (UTC)


Arthur
I might not be able to find the same stuff, but I'm sure I could find a suitable alternative. By the way, I haven't forgotten the catapult that you ordered - I just haven't seen anyone selling any. By the way, there are two videos in the post to you but you will have to polish up your Afrikaans to understand them.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 05:58:57 (UTC)


Elias
Where do I get the energy from? It could be all the pure Zambian beef with no steroids or hormones. Or it could be the nshima I eat, made from non-genetically modified mealies. What do you think?

Now I'm going to be serious for a while. Yes, the fraudster, Farley Winston, did have his place on the Lower Zambezi and yes, he did claim to be making diesel from grass. And yes, he did have a diplomatic passport and he was wanted in a number of countries in Southern Africa. But this is not the same person that Chris Tamm refers to. He was here in the 80's, and it was not only KK that was conned, there were a number of other people also conned by him.

My trip down to Kafue was pretty rushed. It took us longer to get there plus we left late. I was taking down a cameraman from the British military but when he arrived on Wednesday evening, British Airways had left all his luggage at Gatwick. We went down in any case but left late because he had to buy some clothes first. And it was just as well that we did go down because they had a problem and had to leave one of the vehicles there. So I came back with ten in my car - here's a photo.

There were ten in the bed .....

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As we say about Zambian taxis - 'there's always room for one more.'

And a few general photos of Itezhi Tezhi Dam - the dam itself, the dam wall, the spillway, the river below the dam wall; a few animals (not much time for game viewing, plus (Arthur) it was late by the time we got there which accounts for the sunset over the lake).

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Sunday I went down to the Lower Zambezi, back yesterday and here are some photos of that trip:

The confluence of the Kafue and Zambezi Rivers

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The Chirundu Escarpment and Chirundu itself
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Chieftainess Chiawa's palace
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Hippos
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Elephants
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Lower Zambezi Game Park

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The view of the Zambezi from where we camped

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The Chongwe River

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Baboon
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Waterbuck (I am posting this one so that you can compare the vegetation down there with the vegetation in the Kafue Game Park)

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Matabele ants

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Do you remember the smell of a bushfire?

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 05:39:11 (UTC)


Hi Everyone

Arthur, the story of how Nkana got its name reminded me of an incident from many years ago.

My dad was very good friends with the old chief and then his son. Dad used to visit Chief Nkana on Sunday's where he was made very welcome. I was home from boarding school and dad took me with him one Sunday. We were treated like royalty and they loved the gifts dad and I took and reciprocated with fresh eggs and vegetables. On our drive back home we heard this banging noise from the back. My dad's Triumph 2000 was very low to the ground so we thought we'd hit something. Got out, had a look and drove on. Banging from the back continued. We got out again and opened the boot and there was this beautiful little goat, all trussed up. It was a gift from the chief. Next Sunday he asked how it was getting on and was pleased it was well, etc. He expected us to raise it and kill it the next time I was home from school! I think the goat eventually died of old age and was greatly missed. It kept the lawn looking good.

I remember Fuller's bread and Bamford Bakery's vanilla slices. They were the best.

Still looking for those old photos of my dad's.



Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 03:18:32 (UTC)


David Gray

Thanks very much for the info on the photos and welcome to the GNR Message Board, I think this is your first posting? If you send me your snail-mail address I'll drop you the complete and updated Maxwell Mining Photos CD in the post along with another prezzie which I'm sure you will enjoy.

I just read your narrative entry in the Names Directory and it is very impressive. You will be hearing from me shortly and also my cohort Heather, I'm sure we can milk you for a few photos and a story or two from the old days. I must read these entries more thoroughly.

Are you attending Charlie Cartmill's Cape Town Caper?


Charlie

Where's your advert for the Cape Town bash? I have an army of willing volunteers currently loafing about who will do you something spectacular to get the numbers up. Let me know the date and I'll get them off their backsides and get their hands working on something useful before they go blind.

Hope you are bending some arms of the Durban crowd too - John Tyne and others are very quiet just now, perhaps the tsetchy fly has been biting again?

Have you had Elias's deposit yet? Um perhaps not, I hear you have mountains of guano down there anyway.


Linda, Sandra

People say a picture says a thousand words but I think a lot of these photos I post are completely silent until people like yourselves put a real life experience behind them and they suddenly come to life as you have done for the Technical College and so many other people have done for other photos on this site.

I suspect a lot of photos I post here which never seem to get a reaction are still seen by many a silent reader who could in fact bring them to life as well.

Sometimes it works - as David Gray proved with the mining photos I posted recently. So to all you lurkers and silent readers it's about time you got brave joined in.

Elias

Your croc experience reminded me that this photo and caption caught my eye recently.

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Taken from a Rhokana Review article published in July 1957 the caption reads -

"Ten live crocodiles were flown from Livingstone to Johannesburg as part of Livingstone's exhibition at the Rand Easter Show. The baby crocodiles, which were the gift of hunters in the Southern Province of Northern Rhodesia were housed for their journey in an aluminium lined box. The crocodiles were exhibited in the large model of the Kariba Lake. Suitable measures to enclose the crocodiles were taken. Owing to the fact that visitors were alleged to have treated the crocodiles cruelly, they were withdrawn from the show and taken to Johannesburg Zoo".


How can you be cruel to a baladdy croc? Did you kiss yours?


These images caught my eye too - Kitwe Garden Shop - Fullers Bread and how Nkana got its name.

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The Garden Shop advert particularly got my interest - just look at that list of freely available toxins - especially KATAKILLER - wow just think off all the money I could save buying tins of airgun pellets or Katty elastic to discourage the local moggy population digging up the flower beds. Being a Northern Rhodesian product I'd expect it would cover all sizes of mog up to lion size.

Just look at the other stuff too - Toxaphene (liquid and powder) DDT - not seen that for years in the shops here - and if that don't work just buckets of other sorts of useful TOX - no bugs, weeds, mogs or other pests and cheaper to run than a flame-thrower for a burnt earth look.

Heather I need to put in an order can you still get this stuff?

PS - Gill - I just love kitties. Really.



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 00:13:35 (UTC)


54 days of rain in Auckland, and then a visitor from Perth arrives. Nothing but sunshine since. Is there nothing this woman cannot do. She has a great future ahead of her if global warning gets into gear


Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 21:19:26 (UTC)


Lusaka Agricultural Showgrounds (Again)
Arthur's write up about the showgrounds reminded me of a a strange episode. Zambia Consolidated Copper Mines had a stand at the showgrounds which had won awards for many years. One year they gave me a contract to knock down part of the stand and build some crocodile ponds. This was to exhibit one of their new subsiduaries called Circuit Safaris which had a crocodile farm at Kasaba Bay.

Well, I finished construction except for some pumps which ZCCM said they would supply from one of the mines. A few days later someone delivered an envelope to me with a note and two keys saying my goods were at the airport in two tin trunks and I must check that they all in good order.

I rushed of to the airport with my plumber Kennedy Mwanza to collect what I thought were pumps. While I went to look for someone to unlock the gates so I could drive my van up to the goods shed. I gave Kennedy the two keys and asked him to unlock the trunks and check everything was OK. As I was reversing in I heard a terrible scream and Kennedy came sprinting out of the shed and a group of armed guards went rushing in.

What Kennedy did was to unlock one of the trunks lift up a piece of wet hessian sack and a hissing baby crocodile about 18 inches long took a bite of his hand. The four guards armed with their machine guns then cornered the baby crocodile and waited for me to pick it up. I was amazed at the strength of the crocodile. Even when I held it behind it's head and middle, I could hardly hold it. I then had the pleasure of storing 20 crocodiles in my garage until their pond was ready.

The best part was when the show was over to try and get my workers to catch the babies to fly them back to Kasaba Bay.
Elias
ps. Yes they did win another award for the croc. ponds.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 14:10:41 (UTC)


Brassedoff,
Please to be phoning me at your earliest inconvienience 07867501646.

J Green (back),
yep n nope!

Carol,
Just remember when diving, "The deeper you go the wetter you get"

cheersnbeersworsnbiltong.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names)Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 03:35:12 (UTC)


Hi Elias:
No problem, mate.
I've already read your comments posted on the GNR noticeboard; glad to be of help in locating Mutanda Falls for you.
I seem to recall the name "Mutandabantu",too, all those years ago, meaning "happy people", I guess.
It certainly seemed to be a productive area at the time (for a small village, anyway) - notice the fisherman setting his net above the falls, also the mealie stands in the distance in one of the river shots (a bit blurry).
No, I was not MI5, CIA or any other type of spy, though I liked your story of the watches-for-gen on Unita rebels.
My wife and I were simply on a long weekend holiday, though there were precious few of those in those days, and goodness knows where I got the petrol from in those days of tight rationing- probably carefully saved from some trips to the Congo/Zaire.
Now, that's another story- there we were taken for spies at E'ville airport, taking photos of a Sabena airliner and an airforce DC3!
Cheers, Elias, keep smiling
Bob Allan
Melbourne

Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Monday, July 15, 2002 at 23:27:47 (UTC)


Hi Arthur

Thanks for your scanned pictures from the Maxwell Collection - they brought back many memories from 40 odd years ago! The photographs could possibly have been taken at the Rhokana plant and my comments will hopefully jog others with better memories than mine to contribute details.

1 (Left hand photograph)
West side of the smelter aisle showing a convertor pouring partially refined molten copper into a 45 ton ladle for transfer by an 80 ton gantry crane to an anode furnace further along the aisle. The copper is probably "blister" copper containing impurities.

2
A bank of Fag Cells in the floatation plant beating the mixture of milled copper ore plus reagent in water into a foam. A typical reagent was sodium ethyl xanthate (SEX for short!) that imparted a hydrophobic action to the copper rich particles in suspension which then attached themselves to the air bubbles and rose to the surface where they were skimmed off. The particles which had no copper traces in them were tailings which were pumped to the tailings or 'slimes' dam.

3
A ball or rod mill used to grind the crushed ore to a talc like consistency before being fed to the Fag Cells.

4
Difficult one but my guess is that immediately after the first melt, slag rises to the surface of the molten copper and is tapped off to the ladles and dumped on the slag dump - that unforgettable evening sight when approaching Nkana along the Ndola Road. After the slag had been removed the molten copper was then transferred to the furnace shown in the first picture where some of the impurities such as sulphur were removed.

I hope that this helps with the identification of the photos. Input from others with more knowledge or better recall would certainly be appreciated. Very impressive scanning!

Cheers

David Gray

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, July 15, 2002 at 09:01:02 (UTC)


Carol Bruce
Hi, Good to hear from you and glad that you remembered me! Will contact you privately and you can tell me what you have been doing for the last 26 years or so.

Arthur
Great piccies, loved the one of the Technical College where I did a Secretarial course 1970/1 brought back some good memories - Thanks.

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, July 15, 2002 at 01:07:04 (UTC)


Elias - sounds like a normal rugby disco . No fun unless someone got bopped .

The Chiluba chart has some familiar names . Mseteka the journalist was also supposed to written favourable articles about Kagame the President of Rwanda.

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 22:17:19 (UTC)


To All you lovely GNR's

Many Many thank for all your kind thoughts and funny messages about my dear old dad.
He is sadly missed, but on the day that it happened my children came home and we spent the day talking about him, and our way of life in Mufulira, it was good to be able to have all the wonderful old stories to tell them, but it was also good for me to remember them.
Once again on behalf of George and myself and the rest of our small family. Thank you all.
Love Wilma

Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Netherlands
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 19:21:50 (UTC)


Northeners...

Take a peek at the e-bay auction site. Search for "Zambia". Lots of neat (and cheap) stuff available. Also try Northern Rhodesia.



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 19:00:29 (UTC)


Chris Tamm
Chris, I know you are interested on statistics. Have a look at these, they are all in the public domain now and have been printed in local papers. In Panama one of 6 accounts held by ex-president Chiluba has more than $12 million in it. An account in London called the Zamtrop account was funded by the Ministry of Finance with a sole signatory and used for personal purposes by the president.
Out of this account they paid the Chief Justice $180.000(He has just resigned over this). The Zambian ambassador in USA $1 million.(He has just been arrested). RABO Bank in Luxenbourg £1 million. Mrs Chiluba $90,000, Helen Chiluba $32,725. Boutique Basil $1,029,000.
Also rather disturbingly, a reuters correspondent based in South Africa who was paid $20,000 to bury information and write favorable reports.
Also disappointingly, two former Zambian based legal companies now in London were involved with their legal work, formation of companies etc.
Have a look at this website http://www.zambia.co.zm/index.html for a diagram that was published in the Zambian Post which shows the complicated web that they used to hide the transfer of cash and also some of the recipients.
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Doug Waybush
Doug, something a bit lighter. You mentioned Austin Wienand a while ago. When he was younger he detested men with long hair, men who wore tight jeans or bell bottoms, and most of all foreigners with long hair and tight jeans who couldnt speak English.
My best friend was a little Italian called Mario Cassilli, who was everything Austin hated. On top of it all he carried a little handbag and blowdried his hair into a sort of BeeGees puffy style. He wouldnt put anything into his pockets because it spoilt the "line" of his jeans.
He wasnt a Nancy and was a second Dan black belt in Karate which I am told is very good.
One night at a Rugby Club disco, Mario jostled Austin and spilt his drink accidently. Mario was trying to apologise in broken English when Austin gave him a huge punch on the forehead and knocked Mario out.
Poor Mario was so humiliated that he lost all interest in Karare after that and gave up training for his third Dan.
So Karate possibly isnt that great for self defense, you just have to be a big muscley farmers son.
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Bob Allan
More great photos. I should have looked at a proper atlas first of all to find the area. What on earth were you doing there 35 years ago. Were you one of those MI5 agents snooping around trying to find information about UNITA rebels?
Around that time the American Embassy "Cultural Attache" was deported for giving the local chiefs and headmen wristwatches in exchange for information.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 18:06:47 (UTC)



Chris Forde Yes I did know the Corbetts in Chingola but I am sorry I have no idea of there where abouts today but this is the first time I have seen there name on the board so now some one may come forward and tell us where they are,
Anyone know where the CORBETTS are ex Chingola? let us know Regards Johnny, Look forward to meeting you in King Sutton.
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Linda do you still suck your thumb when you get shy, but on reflection I think what would make you blush would make me leave the country. Love Johnny.
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john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 16:51:16 (UTC)


Arthur
Yep, that's the very room...right down to the cupboard that I was locked in frequently for misbehaving. Ha! Ha! If you look closely on the top of the middle desk, you will see my initials lsd1970 carved there.

They used to play this incessant rythym and start out slowly and then speed it up. I got to 90 wpm by the way, Mr. Green. There was someone faster than me, though. Carol Brown.

As a parting gift to my long suffering instructors, I purchased T. Shirts for them with the words, "I survived Linda Dore" printed on them. Or was that the Headmistress of Helen Kaunda School for Naughty Girls? No wait.. that was the three men I was engaged to before I left Zambia. Can't remember now.. It is all a fuzzy blur. Ha! Ha!

Egads you are going to find me oh so boring at the bash after all this. I am quite shy in person, nowadays..

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 15:58:48 (UTC)


Elias I'm trying to recall the earlier scam artist you mentioned . He was a forerunner of the current bastard Ben-Menashe,

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 13:47:11 (UTC)


John Green,

My mum was saying that she was sure that you knew the Corbetts from Chingola. Have been trying to contact Sue (daughter) for years but with no luck. As we are coming over to the Bash was hoping that you might have some idea as to their whereabouts (Tom and Evelynn). Sue went to university in leeds and later married but have no idea of her married name.

Chris and I are looking forward to catching up with everyone at the Banbury Bash.

Hazel Forde

Chris FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 12:50:12 (UTC)



Arthur they did have that record to start with for there typing lessons, but then Linda complained it was a little to fast so it was substituted for Maisie Doats And Dozy Doats And Little Ansy Divy, and as you heard from Linda She then advanced to the top of the class.Regards to all Johnny.
PS You have heard the expression making a rod for your own back I think I might have just done that.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 07:14:04 (UTC)


Hey Linda

Take a look at this

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What music did you learn to type to - Ag Pleeze Daddy?



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 06:28:17 (UTC)


Arthur and Contributors
Thanks so much for the photos and stories. I have had a blast with my kids tonight. First of all, the Southern Rhodesian coin was minted the year I was born. No.. wait.. I thought I was only 29?

Is the picture of the Copperbelt Technical Foundation the building that was later named Northern Technical College? It looks like where I went to study to be a secretary? Can anyone confirm this? It led me to getting out my reports from when I was there in 1970, and the boys were quite surprised to see that mum was 1st in class for the whole time I was there, except for shorthand. Isn't that a scary thought?? I remember learning to type on a rickety old Adler manual typewriter and we had to type in time to music. How far we have come!!

My bookkeeping instructor wrote, "Linda's work is exceptionally good. If she continues with it, she certainly stands a better chance of passing than any of her classmates." Gawd help us. Makes me wonder what happened to everyone else! He! He!



Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 02:33:43 (UTC)


Northerners !

Back for a short while so I will post up the stuff in my queue and a few extras.

Last week I was gutted thinking I'd lost these scans I made of some very large colour photos from George Maxwells Mining Photograph Collection, most of which I have already put onto CD.

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The photos were scannned on my A4 scanner in sections of four and then all joined together for each photograph using Photoshop. Bet you can't see the joins. These will be released on CD at a later date and the photos are are around 20mb in size for each image giving stunning detail. Unfortunately I could not see any captions on the original photos and would be greatful if anyone who recognises where and what would fill me in with the details.

I have another batch of mining photos in a similar vein belonging to Peter Hills - these too will be put on the CD. I will manage to cut a few CD's in time for the Banbury Bash, so anyone attending wishing to have a copy please let me know.

I will also have some other CD's and possibly a pre-release of some Rhokana Reviews I have already scanned. A general release will be done sometime next year.

Whilst scanning Peter Hill's magazines I also have been doing some other memorabilia Peter has lent the GNR and noticed this coin.

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Looking at the coin I noticed it is 100 years since Cecil Rhodes death - here in the UK nothing has been mentioned which is not unexpected - he is now one of Britains "Politically Incorrect". Times change.

Here are some interesting banknotes which are in the GNR Archive waiting for a proper display slot but I will let you have a glimpse of a few.

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I have now practically all of the Zambian banknotes copied - those are for another day along with Northern Rhodesian currency and coin and stamps.

Well here's the stuff in the queue and an article from a Rhokana Review.

Arthur




Arthur:

Thanks for posting my Kansanshi photos - from - slides.

In response to Elias's query re the location of Mutanda Falls, I attach the following additional photos of Mutanda River, Mutanda River Bridge, plus a map section extracted from the Times World Atlas.

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The falls are "about 120 miles from Chingola on the Angola road", as I recorded 35 years ago; Solwezi is about 100 miles, and the Lunga River crossing (bridge) is about 70 miles from Chingola. I have old slides of that, too, but have not submitted them for publication.

I hope you can post these soon for me, too.

Thanks, Arthur

Bob Allan




Hi Arthur,

This may be of some interest.

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The caption reads, 'Successful Entrepreneur. Charcoal merchant Bernard Mudzvendi sells his goods on the Great North Road in Zambia. The launch of the African Union and its economic recovery plan Nepad could see this spirit flourish all over the continent'. Photo John Woodroof.

I wish I had some of this charcoal for my braai. The South African variety is not half as good.

Cheers - Doug Grewar




Arthur -

For those Northerners who may be interested in Dawie van der Bliksem's whereabouts, yesterday (July 10, 2002) David Cooper left the US to return to Amsterdam.

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As can be seen from the photo, he was travelling incognito.


Glen Drake




Hi Arthur

I have sent a message in looking for Ilse Nichaela Newton

Could you please attach these photos

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Thankyou

Mandy




The Lusaka Agricultural Show

Once again there was an immense variety of exhibits at the Lusaka Show, and if you could stand the strain of trudging along miles of avenues, both in the halls and the open air, you could learn a lot - and much of it a heartening story of enterprise.

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Many of us make the mistake of setting aside one day to visit the Lusaka show and here we make a big mistake.

Certainly the Lusaka Show is not the kind of Show that the countryman or visiting townsman can cover easily in a day. It is perhaps possible to see everything on view in the short space of three days that the show remains open. The Lusaka show is the largest of its kind in Northern Rhodesia. No matter what branch of farming visitors may be interested in they will find some section that particularly meets their needs. There they are able to chat with people of like interests, not only from their own areas but from all over the Federation, and in some cases from countries overseas.

In the old days, when transport was difficult and the farmer's advice to his son had to be 'If you want to get on, look over your neighbour's fence' There was little chance to know even what the rest of the country was doing, let alone the world outside. It is nothing short of a revolution in farming that the Lusaka Show has, in the course of 32 occasions in which it has been held, been able to change the whole outlook by enabling farmers to have world horizons but at the same time set the pattern for similar shows in Northern Rhodesia.

Statistics are always interesting but space does not permit us to give any details of the background work that goes into making a show like the Lusaka Show possible. But should you at any time have the opportunity of glancing through these you will not be surprised that the show preparation costs a considerable sum. Not all of this, by any means, is dead loss, because exhibitors pay fairly large rents to the Society for their stands. But the success or not of the Show depends on how many people visit it. The aim of the show is the same today as it was when the Northern Rhodesia Agricultural Society was founded in 1926. That aim briefly is to encourage by every means improved farming practice, the development of new implements and crop varieties and in fact everything that will assist the progress of agriculture.

Nor is the Northern Rhodesia Agricultural Society lacking in its knowledge of human frailty, for it quite realises that such aims can only be advanced by offering inducements. The grants, prizes, and medals it awards have no great intrinsic value but they are eagerly sought after as the blue ribands of the farming world.

The trade stands at the show cover almost every article you care to think of in connection with work on the farm, or in the farmhouse, or for the comfort and convenience generally of farming people.

Round the arena you will find the crowds packed on the stands, peering over each others shoulders, and envying the more fortunate who have seats in the members' enclosure, to watch displays by police dogs, or see the Federation's premier horsemen and women vying with each other over the stiff courses.

Then of course, there is always the N.R. Police Band. It is a great thing to stand in the sunshine talking to one's friends from all over Northern Rhodesia about all sorts of matters of farming practice and policy, with music drifting gently about you - and, of course, to enquire from the farmers how they have done with their cattle.

And it is perhaps the cattle that really make the show - the white-faced burly Herefords, the red, white and roan shorthorns, the black Aberdeen Angus, the Golden Guernsey and dairy shorthorns, the chocolate and brown Ayrshires, the Africanders, the docile Jerseys, and black and white Frieslands.

Horses too were there in their glory - and who, looking at these noble beasts, can ever feel anything but a determination that they must never be allowed to vanish from our Northern Rhodesian scene.

There is no space to mention the many varieties of pigs, sheep and poultry on view, nor the many interesting educational stands organised by such bodies as the Ministry of Agriculture, Rhodesian Railways Ltd., the Farmers' Co-operative (N.R.) Ltd., Federal Dept of Health, Water Development and Irrigation Department, the Game Preservation Association and the Road Safety Society.

The commercial vehicles and farming machinery at the show emphasised that the keynote today is consolidation. There is no question these days that the tractor is king of the farm. An astonishing number of tools and types of equipment can now be tailored, so to speak, to the tractor, so that the machine is right for the job it is doing. It means greater safety, higher output, and longer life for the machines themselves.

Extracted from the Rhokana Review September 1958




Just to keep a balance here's a scan from the same magazine - anyone from the Centre of the Universe remember working here?

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Thanks to all for the contributions


Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 21:22:20 (UTC)


Elias,

You are quite right about that fellow who hoodwinked KK into believing he could solve the national fuel import bill by running diesel Landrovers on a mixture of water (Zambezi water, of course!) and some concoction of muti made from some organic materials. KK and his troop fell for it, hook, line, and sinker, and elevated the man to God like status. That would have been in the late sixties at the time when they were flying petrol in from East Africa, and by road over the Hell Run.

That very same chap tried his trick with the Rhodesians in the early/mid 70's. Smith allowed him in to do a demonstration at a farm in the Mazoe area, near the Agricultural Research Centre (if my memory serves me well). The demo was shown on RTV and the Herald had the piece on the front page. However, clever Rhodesians noodled through the fraud in approximately 120 seconds, and the man was dispatched back to where he came from. Nature of the fraud? the bugger had 2 fuel tanks in the Landrover! KK is probably still puzzled by it.

Now, as for the gentleman's name? I am not the one to be remembering. But you are spot on in your recollections, and on the subject of recollections, can anyone remember that other Zambia fraud involving the space program? That should also produce a few chuckles. A few Kwachas went down the national drain there.

Cheers

Chris TammClick here to contact me
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 18:44:27 (UTC)


Elias
Gordon calls me Froggy because of my greenest of green eyes and my longest of long tongue, and my springiest of sprung legs, and I've been known to croak a song or two at the edge of the Kafue. That, or he thinks I have a face like a bullfrog. You be the judge... Rrrrrbt!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 15:12:31 (UTC)


Froggie Hayes???
Linda is that you? Why are you called "Froggy". I tried to get an answer from Gordon Garlick but he said I should ask you. So .....WHY?

Ken Miller
Ken you right about marijuana being semi legalised here, but there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what the law really says. No I havent been smoking any nor sniffing petrol fumes, there really was an international fraudster who convinced the Zambian Government to give him a large piece of land on the banks of the Zambezi where he was to grow grass that he could convert to petrol and a lot of water power machinery made of sticks and logs to supply electricity. He even managed to get a Zambian diplomatic passport. I believe he was also wanted in Zimbabwe for similar offences. I cant remember his name or I could seach his details.

Charles Cartmill
Charles you are right about Heather Chalcraft. We are actually best of pals, but I can never get the best of her in the insults league, as she has a very sharp tongue and a long memory. What I have found is the best wait to attack her is to wait until she is away on one of her trips where there is no electrity or towards the end of the month when she is franticaly trying to meet her magazine deadline. Then when she surfaces she is bogged down and doesnt bother to reply.
Elias.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 08:31:48 (UTC)


Heather and Liz
Don't hold your breath waiting for Garlick to send me some bucks to buy you a drink. I don't think he has ever put his hand in his pocket for a round...he! he! Sorry, Gordon. You walked right into that one!

Linda
a.k.a. Froggy

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 04:47:46 (UTC)


Des Kenny

Ok - so I am guilty as charged for not being able to come to the Banbury Bash - but Brasso did arrange the date to suit Mr Green, and unfortunately I had already booked a diving weekend to Scotland for the 20th onwards. All I can say is that if the weather is foul and we are blown out I will be at the bash. At least I have not made false promises like some others did for the Wallasey do - no names mentioned of course!

Sandra Marsh

How are ya?? I have been in touch with Linda (Dore) and she has brought me up to date on where you are living etc. Hope you and yours are well. How's Alastair? Please give him my regards. I have an old photo of you in the Angels Softball Team - If you contact me I'll send it to you.



Carole Evans (nee Bruce) (née Bruce)Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, July 12, 2002 at 23:31:47 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft and Liz Downing

Thank you both for responding. It is appreciated.
Maybe I can mail Froggy a few bucks to buy you guys a drink at this braai you are going to?

Cheers Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Friday, July 12, 2002 at 22:31:47 (UTC)



I am searching for a lady called Ilse Nichaela Newton.
She is English and a Registered nurse. Ilse was 23years old in 1969.
She worked at the Mine Hospital in Luanshya, Zambia. In February 1970 she married a Michael Alder from Luanshya at the St Georges Anglican Church in Luanshya.
She came over from England to Zambia late 1968 with a friend named ?Cathy Fineran.
Ilse moved to Livingstone in 1969 and possibly to South Africa in the 1980's.
She may have moved back to the Uk now.
Ilse's father was a Doctor.
If anyone can help me locate Ilse or knows where she is can you please contact me

Amanda Gilbert (Leitch) (née Leitch)Click here to contact me
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Friday, July 12, 2002 at 00:38:03 (UTC)


Banbury Bash - outstanding Braai payments!

Sorry to be a pain folks but I still have some outstanding Bash payments which are required by end July latest please. This is to enable me to start making arrangements for placing orders on suppliers!

Nina Adams, Norman Kemp & children; Barbra McGloughlin (nee Torrence); Samantha & Jamie McGloughlin; Bob & Liz Tring; Archie Cassels; Ray & Sheila Powell & 2 children; Mark & Liz Powell; Pappy & Shirley Papier; Ian, Lorraine Forbes & Boys (5); Dave Cooper; Liz Downing & Pat & Barrie Braidford.

I thank U all for your understanding, interest in attending the event & look forward to being your host on the nite!

CHRIS TYRER - R U still planning to attend as have not yet receive your firm & final confirmation?

















Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 22:26:19 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

Well I made it back to Civilisation! Just got in having survived a shootout on the Harbour Freeway in LA, the shootout at LAX, and the armies of Police vehicles of California.

Phew!

Ahhhhh.... I can now R E L A X! ... don't do it, when you wanna... oops sorry, I can say in Nederland, but not here, eh?

Now, it's 11 pm... time to get out on the streets of my glorious Amsterdam and PARTAY!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DvdB



Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 20:13:31 (UTC)


Elias,
I concur with Ken. Certain people are sacrosanct, and Heather's definitely one of them.
I also agree with Sue Forde - you had your own personal reasons for not attending the the Great Wallow.
However, you can make amends by attending the Cape Town Bash!
Regards
CJ


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 17:55:08 (UTC)


ELIAS .....

Now that it nearly legal, what kind of grass are you smoking up there in the Highlands of Scotland ?

It is little wonder that you are befuddled regarding grass being grown by fraudulant aliens in the Zambezi valley, or is your state of mind caused by inhaling the petrol fumes.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 10:43:51 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft
Heather, enjoy your trips to thae Game Park and Lower Zambezi. Where do you get all the energy from? Heather I think you may have mentioned this before but wasnt somewhere in Lower Zambezi where a fraudster(I have forgotten his name but he has been mentioned here before) was given a huge piece of land plus a diplomatic passport by former president KK. He also claimed to have built all sorts of machinery that were powered by the Zambezi River? Didnt you also take some samples of the grass he was growing to manufacture petrol out of (not to make petrol but to see if it would grow at Siavonga). Did it grow or am I confused again?
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 07:23:46 (UTC)


Dear Wilma

Am so sorry to hear about the death of your Dad, Bert. He was a lovely person with a sense of humour second to none, will always remember two things he told me at your place in SA many, many moons ago - "always fall in love at second sight, the first one being his bank balance" and "always make sure you have a square meal, an Oxo cube".

God Bless him.

Gill

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 00:03:01 (UTC)


Gordon Garlick
Gordon, I noticed you address that Chalcraft Woman as "Ms"?
I know she is not a "Miss" and I have seen letters signed by her as "Mrs".
Surely she hasnt become one of those "liberated" women. What were they called? Burn the Bra Brigade I think.
Regards
Elias.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 23:20:56 (UTC)


Banbury Bash
Heather, look here, I am a poet as well. Here is Garry Brassington's new anthem:-

Ride a cock-horse to Banbury Bash,
To see a fine lady upon a white horse;
With rings on her fingers and bells on her toes,
She shall have music wherever she goes.

Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 22:26:57 (UTC)


GNRers. especially Chris Swart and Ms Heather C.

My daughter Shirley is dragging her show string of prize Brahmans around Texas and Luisianna and came across a cattleman in Texas who visisted Zambia a few times to Judge at the Lusaka Ag. Show. His name is Steamer Swaner. He would very much like to contact a SIGFREID WITHAMORE who I think is, or was, a butcher from the Copperbelt, maybe Kitwe. Anyone with scoop please contact me.

Big news on the Origins of the Species, paleontologists have found a 6 or 7 million year old homid skull in northern Chad. They have named it Sahelanthropus tchadensis. Push back those frontiers guys. 7 million in 4.6 billion is still a drop in the bucket.

All the rest, quit riding Elias. One day he will bite someone and we will have another ndaba.
Regards Gordon.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 21:28:13 (UTC)


Paudie Coughlan/Laura Kyle (nee Charbonnier)

Paudie and Laura - confirm receipt of Laura's cheque for £ 40 for her and daughter Nicole (comming in from St Vincent in Caribbean)to attend the Banbury Bash. Pitty your husband Ian (ex Muf) will not be able to attend. Thank you.

Graham & Fiona Wall - Saudi Arabia

Confirm receipt of your payment/cheque for attendance at the Banbury Bash - thank you. Spoke to Claire at Banbury House Hotel - your room is reserved for nites of 20 and 21st September as U requested. Claire is sending U another e. mail confirming booking.


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 18:15:58 (UTC)



Please excuse my ignorance... but I thought that Elias didn't attend the Wallow as a courtesy to his nearest and dearest! It was not a happy time for them....
So, I'm afraid, I can't understand why everyone is on his case! I would have done exactly the same in his situation. Family always come first!

Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 17:44:10 (UTC)


Elias

He claims he hails from an island in the Med,
The one with little hair on his head,
He said 'Don't worry, it'll be really cool
We'll all meet up near Liverpool'

But just a few days before,
He said 'Sorry, I have to withdraw'
Amd we found out, none too soon
That he's a pusillanimous poltroon

And now he says 'In September, I'll be there,
I promise you, Heather, I swear'

I'm warning you now, my mate,
September 21st, we have a date,
And if you dare to let me down,
You'll get more from me than just a frown.
Wait until I'm in full sail,
Not only will you quiver and quail,
You'll also grovel, cringe and quake
And your yellow-belly will begin to shake.

So Elias, you have been warned
If you don't want to be scorned
And looked at with disdain
Don't try that trick again


that Chalcraft Woman

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 07:24:05 (UTC)


Broken Hillians
Yesterday I received an email from a friend of my mother's, whose daughter needed some help with names of Zambian hard wood trees. Whilst I was going through my book (Know Your Trees) to type up a list, I found that it had this to say about the big tree in Kabwe:

The 'Meeting Place' tree in Kabwe is a fine example of Ficus Wakefieldii. It was possibly a 'slave' tree and the inscription reads "This large fig tree served as a meeting place on many occasions during the early years of the township's history and many were the safaris that started out from beneath its shade." This tree is now preserved as a National Monument. It, however, has an unusual form having virtually no trunk. At some stage it must have been cut down to almost ground level, and the resultant stool shoots have grown into massive branches. There are six of these spreading up from the base.

And whilst on the subject of fig trees, some of you may remember the big fig tree along the Siavonga Road. Until recently, the area around it has been overgrown so it has not been visible from the road. However, they are currently rebuilding the road, so a lot of vegetation control has taken place and the tree is once more visible. Here is a photo I took when I was down there last week. I am not sure which species of ficus it is.

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 05:39:49 (UTC)


Hi to all on the GNR message board, I have sent Wilma my personal condolences but just want to point out that we all refer to our parents from the North as "Old Timers" and its so sad when they pass on, our parents were so important to our childhood memories, building our characters and making our lives so very special. I read the message board every day peruse the photos that are posted and realise that 99% of us have become the next generation of "Old Timers", I have made contact with persons from my youth and we have posted pics to and fro most of us have an odd grey hair (some more than others), arn't we the lucky ones in that we are able via the board to pass on all these memories to the next generation of BRATS!! The stories, even the ones that are tongue in cheek are obviously going to pass on to sooo many GNR future readers, we are scattered all over the world but still have this incredible bond, geez Northern Rhodesia really was and still is a special place - Heather you sure do keep us up to date via all your pics, thanks ever so much. My heartfelt thoughts are with my good pal Wilma from way way back and Love and Hugs to all on the GNR message Board - Irene White (Barnard) and PS to those attending the next bash in the UK your messages of get togethers, braais beer and me thinks loads of shinanigans or whatever make me sick - jealousy is a terrible thing - have a good time, and dont forget all of those that cannot be there, especially the "OLD TIMERS"

Irene White (née Barnard)Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 00:53:46 (UTC)


John Burt
Thanks for your email. Did you receive my reply?

Elias
So glad you are coming to the Bash. Looking forward to saying 'thanks for your special care' in person.

Alix
Hope your Prince is looking after you...



Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 00:52:09 (UTC)


Heather
Thank you so much for always giving us such amazing information and links. You have done so much for a country so many of us miss terribly. We have been able to get a small taste through your stories and photos. You are very much appreciated!

Elias
If you are stringing us along about coming, I think one or two people are going to string you up, mate.. He! He! A friend of mine, partial to red, is waiting to dance a jig with you.

Arty
If that is what you look like in your party PJ's, I think you are banned too.

Blackie Hall
I've sent for Interpol to bring you in...

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 22:56:03 (UTC)



Gary I seem to recall that a cheque was also sent to the Wallesey Bash but I dont recall seeing the gentle man who sent it in attendance let us hope that the phantom El Greeko does show as I want to witness the the type of torture that is inflicted on him by a certain young lady who may appear looking for him there, Elias invest in a bullet proof vest. Regards to you all Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 18:48:18 (UTC)


Wilma

Sorry to hear about your Dad's passing.

Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 18:01:39 (UTC)


ELIAS !!!!!!!!

I'm speechless and at same time delighted!!!!! Confirm receipt of your letter & enclosed cheque for £ 20.00 for attendance at the Banbury Bash - thank you. I liked your opening sentence of your letter "OK, OK, I give up here is my cheque for £ 20." Looking forward to seeing you at last.

Yes folks the Great Elusive Elias is comming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 17:58:25 (UTC)


Pappy
Hi, Alastair has asked me to tell you that his computer has crashed and he is in the process of getting a new one. He will contact you privately once the new one is up and running.

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 08:17:06 (UTC)



Just an added rider to my previous posting, the bucket full referred to was to false teeth. Regards Johnny.
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Gill Main is shielding a killer, love Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 06:54:11 (UTC)


Northerners
Just in case any of you are becoming concerned that Nkana (or perhaps even Nkana East) was the centre of the universe, here are some photos from Luanshya. This should get things back into perspective. They have been scanned from some Roan Antelope magazines which Reg Hughes has very kindly lent me and are from the October 1952 issue.

Jim Tonkin and Charlie Chesters on board the Kontiki supervise the dredging of sand from the Luanshya River, in the shadow of the old tailings dam.

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An incoming train brings its welcome cargo of coal. Here at B Points weighbridge are Shunter H Olivier, Fitter Frank Davison and Driver H Breytenbach

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This steam-shovel is cutting a diversion channel for the Luanshya River. In the cabin is Joe Wheaton and below are Frank Fleiner, the General Foreman, and our guide, Chargehand, H Bellardie

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This is the bucket and drag line of the steam shovel which scoops up the earth at an astonishing rate

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For the non-mining types:

An expectant crowd waits for the gates of the Swimming Pool to open

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When the cameraman makes his appearance, the youngsters frolic towards him in eager co-operation

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From Roan Antelope, October 1952

Reg, thank you very much and I will be returning your magazines to you shortly.




Exercise Helping Hand
During the last week, I have been spending time with 25 British military personnel who are in Zambia refurbishing ZAWA's vehicles, weapons and communications equipment. Here are some photographs which I have taken.

This is a photograph of the room where ZAWA store all the confiscated weapons. It was encouraging to see this, as my perception has always been that ZAWA is achieving very little in the fight against poachers. During the three days that they were in Lusaka, they refurbished 37 guns which will now be used by ZAWA scouts.

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They have at last been introduced to the Zambian solution to all mechanical problems - the tried and trusted 'maleggin', in this case used for tying up the balljoints, the prop shaft and the rear brakes.

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Since their arrival last Wednesday, they have rebuilt 5 Landrovers and had them refueled on Saturday night, ready to go on Monday morning. But they weren't planning on the reality of life in Zambia. On Saturday night somebody siphoned all the fuel out of them so Sunday morning saw them pushing it to the fuel station. Ag shame!

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Just before setting off for the Kafue Game Park yesterday morning, they had a chance to read Zambia's best magazine, The Lowdown.

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Finally they were on their way

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I shall be joining them on Thursday at Ngoma, back on Friday and then on Sunday I shall be taking down a group from the BBC to the Lower Zambezi National Park where they will be continuing their work. Standby for the photos.

Exercise Helping Hand is working in conjunction with the David Shepherd Foundation




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 06:08:13 (UTC)


Chris Swart

Please pass mine and all the Marshes sincerest condolences to the Henrichsen family. Our thoughts are with them all at this very sad time.

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 01:04:09 (UTC)


Wilma
My condolences on the passing of your father.

Chris Swart
Can you please pass my condolences to the Heinrichson family.

Sally (Anderson) Bradbury
Thanks for your letter and photos received in the mail today. What a nice surprise! I will send you an email soon.

Elias
Thanks for the clarification on the other Zambian website. I was just curious. Took a look last night. Vastly different to this one.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 at 00:11:38 (UTC)


Dear Wilma

I am so sorry to hear about the death of your father. Take care.

Fiona

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 22:28:51 (UTC)


Linda Hayes(Dont Worry)
Linda, dont worry, I am sure you will find that message is sent by John Chundu. He is one of the administrators of "The Zambian.com". I think he is trying to interest anyone with a Zambian connection to have a look at the website.
I dont think it is anything sinister, I have seen his name crop up in various places with the same message. There is even a message on Heather's Lowdown Magazine on the guest page.
With regard to your name, I am sure he obtained it from another Zambian website, I cant remember the name,(Luanshya, Broken Hill or Mufulira?) but the guest register is quite open and I did notice a few of the GNR members names on the list, so possibly they will have also received the same.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 21:16:08 (UTC)


Dear GNR'S

This is just a quick note to let the Mufulira people that are on GNR know that my dad BERT HENRY passed away on the 6th July 2002 in Pietermaritzburg.

Lots of Love Wilma


Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Netherlands
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 20:42:10 (UTC)


Has anyone been approached by the undersigned? I'm wondering where they got my info from. Is it from the GNR?

Dear Fellow Zambian.
We would like to invite you to visit The Zambian (http://www.thezambian.com).

We look forward to suggestions, comments or feedback on our site.

Sincerely
The Zambian Development Team

p. (215) 519-8966
w. http://www.thezambian.com





Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 20:39:19 (UTC)


Chris Swart

Was stunned to read the message U posted about "Auntie Joyce" passing away in her sleep. Please convey mine, all the Brassingtons and more so our dad Ron's deepest sympathies to Uncle Felix and all the family. She was a wonderful kind woman and am sure will be sadly missed by all the family and her many friends. Our thoughts are with you all. Gary.

Maeve Byrne

Confirm receipt of your letter and cheque for the Banbury Bash. Thank you. Look forward to seeing you on Sept 21st.



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 18:18:34 (UTC)



Who was that blonde dolly that Arthur stuck in that Elias is fancying I would suspect a little pc wizardry as the face looks a little masculine to me, but Elias every one to there fancy, it definitely is not my sister as she is on the game in Tokio.
Charles I can give you a knock down if your travels take you out there, bye for now Regards Johnny.
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I may as well pass comment on the forge valley lady while I am on, a girl by the name of Gillian fell in love with the place called Forge Valley and so much so I had to restrain her divesting her clothing and diving into the river that ran through this secluded valley, only because there was a few other visitors in the vicinity and that Elmo her pussy was half way up a tree at the time and I would not have been able to retrieve him had she drowned, next day there was a horse in the paper called Forge Valley Lady on which I had to have a gamble, it ran around last, 5 days later I was looking at the paper and it had won at 10 to one and I never saw it was running thats my luck, if they threw a bucketful into the air I would catch my Mother in laws.
Love and Regards Johnny.


john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 16:02:03 (UTC)


Sad news, Joyce Henrichsen died in her sleep this afternoon.Survived by husband Felix, children Greg, Margie, Melanie and Puddy and all the grand children and great grand children.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 14:53:58 (UTC)


Johnny Green,
You never mentioned your sister to us! Lucky you sent her picture to Arthur, and not Heather - she's a fundi on Photoshop and would've edited it!

Calling all Cape Town GNRs for a reunion at Scrumpy Jack's in Obs. Last Saturday I went down to my local club to watch the rugby and bumped into two lads from Broken Hill. Mike Collocott and John Hesom. They'll definitely be there. Ray and Lynne Williams, Peter Nupen, Nigel Pepperell, Dave Pepperell, Charlotte Smith, Linda Rooke, John Mules-Berry, Ian Logan, etc - I know you're lurking on this board. Drop me a line. For all the others who've contacted me, I'll let you know as soon as the date is finalised. Elias - you're also invited!!!!

Regards
CJ


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 12:49:29 (UTC)


Sarky
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Good one - always wondered when I was staying in Scarborough why Johnny always seemed to spend so long at the bookies, me thought he had disappeared to his local for a couple of jars. His favourite horse at the time was "Forge Valley Lady" - am sad to say I totally missed the connotation! The other horse he backed was "Bulawayo" which should have rung alarm bells as saying this whilst burbing was predominantly a female thing in Z-land, can you still do it, Bridget?

Toejam
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Elias that is gross. Was in Tesco's here yesterday and in walked a guy with a pair of khaki shorts and everlasting soles (without the raffia). It instantly brought back memories and was tempted to rip off my boots and two pairs of socks but was worried about, yep you guessed it, toejam. Should have accosted him to find out which part of Africa he was from and got him to sign a declaration that he would attend the Banbury Bash for MUF, sorry Brasso not thinking fast enough on my feet (sorry, awful pun). Tee Hee.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 10:31:11 (UTC)



Dave Cooper
Not even a cheep from Dave, I forgot it takes a lot to rile him. Anyway this hasnt got anything to do with Africa, the GNR or its members, but imagine having the job of smelling stinky British tourists. I wouldnt mind smelling some pretty shapely women but not fat, pot bellied, sunburnt, unwashed lager louts.
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Daily Record(08 July)
FRENCH SLAM "SMELLY" BRITS
A FRENCH mayor has caused outrage by branding British tourists smelly and ordering body odour tests for visitors.

Despite a recent survey revealing that the French use less soap than any other nation in Europe, Henri Dunoyer, mayor of La Grand-Motte, claimed: "Smelly tourists ruin everything."

Dunoyer has instructed police to test tourists on the town's beach for BO.
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Arent the British called "The Smelly Nation"?
Elias





Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 09:52:08 (UTC)


Dutchman foots bill for causing stink

Does anyone know if Founder Dave Cooper has reappeared from the Californian Desert and gone back home? I know Dave does a lot of studying and research in libraries, so I am quite sure he is the culprit below:-
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July 05 2002 at 03:48PM
REUTERS

Amsterdam - A sweaty-footed Dutchman who caused a stink by removing his shoes in a university library has been fined by magistrates, Dutch media reported on Friday.

The 39-year-old Rotterdam man was fined €250 (about R2 500) in The Hague on Thursday for defying a ban on taking off shoes in a college library in the western town of Delft, said daily Het Financieele Dagblad.

The newspaper said the magistrates "decided his sweaty feet smelled so bad he was a public nuisance".
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Elias



Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 09:33:33 (UTC)


Carol Evans,
Wots this you not attending the Banbury Bash?????????
A simple get your butt down there or we`ll pay you a visit......will that do.
Surely after Wallasey you know you cannot afford to miss this one.
Remember if you live in Britain...THERE ARE NO EXCUSES

Des Kenny (formerly Crouch)Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Monday, July 08, 2002 at 09:11:27 (UTC)


BANBURY BASH ATTENDEES - Braai Payments!

Time is drawing ever nearer folks. At least 60% of attendees have already forwarded their payments to me - thank you all. I need to have all payments from those who have not yet paid in place by end July latest please - this is to enable me to start placing orders on suppliers for the event. Some suppliers will require advance payments and their delivery lead times may be extended. I thank you all for your co-operation.


Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 20:09:35 (UTC)


Chris Swart
Chris you are right about "Jaluka". I think that was Johnny Clegg's original band and was much better than his later band "Savuka". Have you listened to him speaking on the website that Tina Magee found? You will recognise the accent.

Bob Allan
Bob, great photos. Am I going senile, but I cant remember anything about Mutanda Falls and cant find any information. They look very interesting. They look very similar to a picture that Heather posted a little while ago.

Arthur Steevens
Arthur, those busty blonde photos, its not the blonde you fired recently is it? Anyway do you have a phone number, fax number, email, Box number, house number. I am sure I know her from somewhere. You can trust me its purely an "altruistic" (is that the right word) motive.
Elias.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 18:25:41 (UTC)


Johnny Clegg played with Juluka when I was at UCT in 1984 and was one of the most vibrant concerts I ever went to.
He also followed the path of greatness by going from Zambia to Lilfordia then South Africa.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 12:40:19 (UTC)


Linda

I have no preference to colour as long as its a flesh tone.

These pics were taken from William Hill the bookies security cameras after a disturbance yesterday in Scarborough, this young lady was licking herself whilst waiting in the queue to place a bet.

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Apparently she could not decide what colour she looked best in.

Notice the waxed legs (not shaved)

I'll be back after I hear from the bookies shop in Dundee - no doubt with more suprises.

Arthur




Hello Arthur

I was most interested to read your recent posting of the old Rhokana Review(Aug '55) article on Kansanshi and the old mine.

It brought back memories of a trip my wife and I made the long Maydayweekend, 35 years ago (ie 1967) by car, our trusty old white Cortina GT, from our Chingola home to Kansanshi and Solwesi, where we stayed in one of the old rest camp rondavels.

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The views are of Mutanda Falls ~120 miles from Chingola on the Angola road, rest camp rondavels at Solwezi, the others of Kansanshi mine, township and approaches.

Missing is a photo of a giant black mamba which flashed across the dirt road on the way into the township - too fast to snap!

Bob Allan

Melbourne

Australia






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 09:50:34 (UTC)


Fellow Scatterlings of Africa

According to his site Johnny Clegg did a concert in Grahamstown July 6th. His official website is www.johnnyclegg.com. It's a very interesting site with Zulu folk tales, lyrics, concert info, bios. If you go there and look under "Audio" you can hear an mp3 of Johnny talking about his memories of Zambia. (He was there in 64 like many of us). Better yet, read his bio on the site for a full story.

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 07, 2002 at 03:04:54 (UTC)


Johnny Clegg(The White Zulu) and Savuka
Do any of our famous musicians remember Johnny Clegg and Savuka? A famous South African group. Johnny was an interesting character, he was white but specialised in "African" music. I think his band was all black. Johnny was born in England, left for Israel when he was one year old, spent a little time in Zimbabwe, most of his time in South Africa and even spent a year in Zambia.

He lived in Woodlands probably near Billy Laings house and went to Woodlands school where he was the only white boy in his class. He spent most of his time shooting birds in the Leopards Hill Cemetary and playing in the Army Barracks near State House. He seems to have happy memories of Lusaka.

Does anyone know if he is still going? I havent heard anything about him for years.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 21:44:02 (UTC)


Johnny
Sorry, mate. The bookie here was still trying to figure out where South Africa was by the time the nags had long headed back to the stables...

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 17:42:06 (UTC)



Chris I went into William Hills today and they refused to take my bet I am still in pain it was 5/1 here I heard later. well done give it hell tonight Regards Johnny.
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Linda did you back ipi tombe? / Charles?

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 16:19:29 (UTC)


Belated........I tipped Ipi Tombe at 12/1 and its Party Time!!!!!!!!!

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 14:47:06 (UTC)


Good Morning Northeners...

I was just thinking about how easy it was to hitch hike all over Northern and Southern Rhodesia during the early sixties. I remember hitch hiking all the way from Kitwe to Salisbury and never having to wait very long for rides. I also hitch hiked between Broken Hill and Kitwe most weekends for about three years. I guess these days....

I have received about ten anti virus updates from E-Trust who I use for virus protection. Not sure if there is more virus activity this week or not - be careful!!!

Hi Dawie...

Lets get together in Amsterdam. I'll be there Aug 5, 6 and 7 leaving on the morning of the 8th.

...Peter

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 14:41:33 (UTC)


Linda

Sorry - can't attend the PJ Party, but thanks for the invite. (I will be lucky to make the Bash on time AND with my eyes open.) It's a hell of a long flight from Perth you know!




Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 08:51:01 (UTC)


Urgent NMessage for Heather
Please proceed to Chirundu again to expedite the release of these trucks. Suggest you remove your chair from the middle of the bridge first. mESSA(SORRY cant delete these errors, my delete key has jammed)
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BUSINESS (from The Monitor, edition 235)
100 trucks marooned at Chirundu
More than one hundred trucks are marooned at Chirundu due to the slow clearing by the Zambia Revenue Authority (ZRA) and their Zimbabwean counterparts
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elias


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 08:07:57 (UTC)


"Curly" Maxwell?? Who is that?
Born in Nkana and managed to get a British passport? I wonder how he did that.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 21:47:21 (UTC)


Oi.. Bwana Grins
Check your email. I put the info about the horses there for you.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 21:20:23 (UTC)



Help ! can any one remember the name of the horse Chris Swart gave us for the Durban July tommorow, He is away fishing I think at the moment and I have tried to find his EM in the archives but no luck Please before the race at around 2 pm tommorow in the uk Thanks Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 21:01:39 (UTC)


George "Curly" Maxwell
Not guilty as far as Alan Hogg goes. I have never laid a hand on him. Details, please?

Johnny
Chance is a fine thing... The only hope you have is if one of us leaves our handbag unattended and you find a key. The question is - Would it be one of our keys, or a key that has been given to us by some hopeful Harry drinking with us. He! He! Okay, I'll give you a challenge and if you pass, I will confer with the other party goers to see if you can come in for (just) one drink with us. You have to be able to write "Australia and New Zealand" back to front, with your left hand, after you have had 6 drinks. If you are left-handed, then you have to write it with your right hand. I know it is possible because that is what I spent my time doing in Geography with Ms. Doyle, at Kitwe Girls High school in my first year there. Remember that, Moira Fenwick? You perfected drawing "Twiggy" faces! Who would have thunk I would end up as an international group tour operator when geography was my worst subject at school!


Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 21:00:53 (UTC)


What happened to Kitwe?

Today I had to present myself in person at the Passport office in Glasgow in order to renew by British Passport (I am after all an ageing economic migrant). The official checked all my records, including old passport, examined my form which gave Nkana Kitwe as my birthplace and promptly filled out a new form deleting the Kitwe bit, he did tell me that he thought it was unlikely that I had been born in two places and as I was born in Nuhkarrrrrna (see Elias for a dictionary of Scottish pronunciation) this is what he would put on my passport. Given the debates on the posh parts of Nkana earlier in this month's page I didn't engage him in a discussion on the finer points of the real Nkana the bits shrouded in smelter fumes vs, the bits where birds were able to sing without coughing. I, of course, was born and brought up in the former with a full, uninterupted, view of the slag heap and the fine white dust of the slimes dam coating our verandah.

Brasso

Am trying to work out things so that I can make it to Banbury, had a pissup with Alan and Dave Hogg a few weeks ago, I think Alan is back in Houston but will try to track him down, will also try to persuade Dave to get there.

By the way Linda Dore (the Kitwe one) Alan remembers you well, I think the 2x4 was used on him when he was on a motorcycle or something (my memory of his description of the event is a bit hazy).

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 20:36:30 (UTC)



Heather you have excellent forseeing powers.Johnny.
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Linda You must give me a fighting chance as you will be drinking with us until around 12midnight what time is the party going to start on Friday night? and I am sure that you will have to organise a carrying detail to get some of them there at that time of night dont forget I have seen these girls in action before, but I will be remaining sober so if you need a hand you know who to call on, Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 17:27:31 (UTC)


Hartley
Thanks for the info. Yes, I think the Linda Dore I referred to was from Lusaka, as a couple of people confused me with her.

Bwana Grins
We have now resorted to having "invitation only" coupons printed for the PJ party. They have a special code on them and you have to know the code, no matter what you look like!

Heather
Can you tell me where the Waterfalls book is available, please. I would also like to purchase the other book when it is available. I can send you dollars or whatever you need.

Dawie
Hope you mum is continuing to improve daily. Are you getting any rain in your area? We have had 24" over the past few days. Major flooding in our area, but right where we are is just heavy rains, for a week now.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 12:35:10 (UTC)


Dawie
That photo wasn't mine, although I wish I could take the credit. It was Francois D'Elbee's - the same person who did the Waterfalls book. It is from his new book which is due out shortly.

Ron Sayer
I will be distributing the book in Zambia and am also trying to have it distributed through a couple of places in the UK and RSA. But whatever happens, I'll work out a way to get one to you when it is out.

What is this 'we may yet make it back to Zambia?' I expect to see you next year. And now I'm waiting for Charlie Cartmill to organise that Reunion in Cape Town so that I have an excuse to go down and visit your dad.

Brasso
I'm trying, but will probably only confirm a few days before or maybe even on the day I leave. But don't worry - I will send over the various bits and pieces that you want.

Johnny
Stop thinking!!! We have been through this before and I foresee that it will become far too debased and decadent for this message board.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 09:14:38 (UTC)


Linda Hayes

Garry got it wrong; Maggie and Peggy are from Lusaka. I assume that the Linda Dore that you are referring to is Maggie’s youngest sister. Peggy is Maggie’s mum. Maggie has two other sisters, Nan in New Zealand and Elaine and Denise who are both in South Africa.

I am answering on Maggie’s behalf as I do not think she is registered yet.


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 07:42:47 (UTC)



Dave you have got us all agog but what do these machines cost in the states? Johnny.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 05:53:39 (UTC)



Heather I am still thinking. love Johnny.
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Come on Elias I will need some support to thwart all those dollies I just got a tip off Linda off the board we shall have to shave our legs, no problem, JG.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 05:49:10 (UTC)


Heather,

I've been viewing the images posted on the GNR message board and elsewhere on the site using my San Francisco hosts' new iMac G4 computer. By the gods! Unbelievable. It is like I am there.

Heather, your work is exceptional. The photo of the bush with the smoke from a fire interlaced below the trees, casts a sumptious blue haze that makes the photo, in my opinion, one of your best. Congratulations!

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie
(visiting San Francisco)

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 02:59:18 (UTC)


Hi Heather,
A short note to thank you for those great photo's. I remember Kariba with great nostalgia.
Where does one get hold of the book "The Bush and Eye" the photo's were tempting.
You are becoming a one person Zambian Tourist Association. We are busy putting the pennies aside and we may yet make back to Zambia.
Cheers




Ron SayerClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 02:48:54 (UTC)


Brasso
Sue is right. Any chance of getting the hall for any longer? There are so many people for us to catch up with. I am afraid we might cause a riot when they come to turn the lights out. And you know that I have an alter ego that just won't take no for an answer once she gets going...

I have been in contact with Carole Bruce and I know she is not coming. She had already booked a holiday for those dates.

Fifi/Tina
Have we established whose room the PJ Party is going to be in. Ooops, sorry, I forgot, we don't want Bwana Grins getting wind of this. We have sent a photo of you to the hotel so the security guard can be on the lookout for intruders...

You coming to the PJ party, Sue, or do we have to kidnap you too?

Arty
What colour do you look good in? I have several rather alluring sets of sexy nightwear that Beauteous used to favour. I will be more than happy to bring something over for you to wear to our exclusive party, but you have to shave your legs.. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 01:22:37 (UTC)


Gary

W O W ! ! ! You realise that you will have to get special allowance for the hall to be open ALL NIGHT - I won't get to speak to everyone before midnight and my glass slipper... My Prince will only find a worn out old Bata flip-flop!




Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, July 05, 2002 at 00:44:13 (UTC)


GOOD NEWS - BANBURY BASH!

As of Thursday 4 July the number of confirmed attendees now stands at a staggering 67 people. This figure does not include myself & 2 children OR the yet to confirm members of "The Crusaders" and theif families. If these are included we are now in excess of 70+ people. The hall can hold up to 150 you know!

Heather C - what of the Zambian contingent? Elias - confirm and be part of the additions.

Here are a few names that have been quiet so far.

Mark Bennett (Germany); Ada & Chris Cantrel; Alan & Dave Hogg (somewhere in Scotland); Peter Cornelius (Ireland); Carole (nee Bruce) & Barry Evans and Graham & Debbie Nelson to mention a few!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 22:23:41 (UTC)


Peggy and Margaret Dore ex Kitwe
Where do you hail from originally, please? I thought my family was the only Dore family in Kitwe. I know there was a Linda Dore in Lusaka, but this is the first time I have ever seen anyone else from Kitwe with this name.


Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 21:24:41 (UTC)


Bash Payment Confirmations.

Confirm receipt of payments for Banbury Bash Braai from the following with greatful thanks:

Tina MaGee - Texas, USA;
Glenda & Moira Fenwick - Ex Luanshya & Kitwe (now UK);
Margaret (nee Dore) & Roger Eveleigh - Ex Kitwe;
Peggy Dore - Ex Kitwe.

Looking forward to seeing U all in Sept at Bash!!!!

Elias

U are very quiet about the Bash and your attendance. Am sure your bank manager will see his way to letting U go overdrawn for a special event!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 19:53:01 (UTC)


Johnny
Where?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 12:03:42 (UTC)



Heather Craig said to me I wish she would stop licking my shoes she is licking the suede the wrong way, but if it is any consolation you can lick me whenever you want, Love Johnny.
Ps I dont have any feathers either.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 09:50:08 (UTC)


Maurice Diamond
Heather, great pictures of Kariba and Maurice Diamond. He is another fascinating character with endless interesting stories. He was always cheerful despite a lot of personal tragedies. I think in Lusaka he is remembered not for the amount of whisky that he can drink, but for his cooking.
When Maurice and his late wife (Jill Goodfellow) ran the restaurant at the Lusaka Rugby Club, touring teams loved staying on late to eat.
When he opened his restaurant at the Lusaka Showgrounds called "The Longhorn", the food was equally impressive, specially his steaks and their size.
After Jill was tragically killed in a freak car accident in South Africa, Maurice went to athens for some time and I lost touch with him. So it was quite a surprise to see him jump out on your photograph, looking young and fit with the usual glass in his hand.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 09:48:53 (UTC)


Charles
Thank you for contacting Tony Wienand for me. It will be good hearing from him again after so many years. Are Irene and Audrey in SA as well?

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 09:41:27 (UTC)


Elias

He certainly doesn't have feathers

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 09:36:39 (UTC)


Craig what have you got that Heather is always begging for?

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 09:29:51 (UTC)



I think we speak as one when we offer our deepest sympathies to all the relatives of the people that were killed in that terrible air crash especially the parents of the children who perished may they find solace in there respective faiths, from all on the Great North Road.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 06:57:05 (UTC)


Craig,

It had to happen!!!!

I'm begging again.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 06:55:18 (UTC)


Kapenta - The Food Of The Painted Women


Kapenta (Limnothrissa miodon) first came to the towns and cities of Zambia from Lake Tanganyika, although as early as 1860, the explorer Richard Burton had described the use of circular nets lowered from a canoe to catch fish attracted by the light of an mbaula (wood-fired brazier). Today, kapenta rigs have enormous lights on the surface and are fitted with the same circular nets, although they are much larger, and lights which are lowered into the water. The lights attract the fish and when there are sufficient numbers, the net is lifted to the surface with the catch. Kapenta fishing is an important economic activity on Lake Tanganyika (where is is known as dagaa) and on Lake Kariba, where it has superseded bream in terms of commercial viability.

The possibility of introducing kapenta into Lake Kariba was considered as early as 1956 although the first experimental attempts began in February 1962. Under the supervision of Dr George Coulter, Senior Fisheries Officer, in Northern Rhodesia, a brood of sardine fry of the genus Limnothrissa was netted near Mupulungu and placed into two galvanised iron transport tanks. They all died within five hours. It was decided that this was probably due to mechanical injury, so a method was used whereby the fry were caught in a large polythene net and placed in polythene bags. This resulted in a higher survival rate, although mortality was still high.

However, some individual fry had survived and were growing beyond the maximum transportation size. Thus a trial run to Kariba was attempted. On the morning of 25th February 1963, 350 fry were caught and transferred to polythene bags which were then stored in insulated metal containers. These were transported by road to Abercorn Airport (Mbala), by air to Kariba Airport and by road to the lake shore.

At Kariba, 7 1/2 hours after capture, 45 per cent of the fry had survived. Half of these were introduced immediately to a lake-side storage dam, where they all died within a few minutes, possibly because of a difference in the water temperatures. The next day only 14 of the original 350 were still alive. These were placed in a keep net in the lake, where they lived and grew for more than three months until a storm wrecked the net and the fry escaped into the lake. Albeit accidentally, the first introduction of sardines to Lake Kariba, had taken place.

But it was still not known whether they would find conditions suitable for breeding and also which of the two species involved would be the better. Investigations were carried out and by September 1966, it was decided that Limnothrissa miodon, the larger, less specialised species would be the one. Limnothrissa miodon was known to grown to 17 centimetres in Lake Tangayika and did not require such deep water for laying its eggs. Further experiments on the catching, handling, keeping and transportation of the sardines were also undertaken and a trial flight involving 12,000 sardine fry was made to Sinazongwe in December 1966. About 50 per cent of the fry survived.
Between July and November 1967, approximately 250,000 sardine fry were released into Lake Kariba from Lake Tanganyika. This involved 26 airlifts. In August and September 1968, a second series of flights took place and over 120,000 sardines were released.

In Lake Tanganyika the fry were first located in the shallows and then herded with hoop-nets into a funnel and then into plastic containers. When sufficient numbers had been caught they were transported to Abercorn and then flown to the Fisheries Training Camp at Sinazongwe, where they were loaded into a twin-hulled boat and set free in the lake. Thereafter it was a matter of 'wait and see' but hopes of success were high

At Sinazongwe, in late 1969, some fish, of varying sizes, were caught and these were identified as kapenta. This suggested that not only had they survived, but they had also bred in their new environment. The first attempts to catch the kapenta were made in October 1969 using banana boats, lights and scoop and lift nets. These catches were not spectacular, but large numbers of fish could be seen under the lights and by the end of that year, some had been caught 64 kilometres east of Sinazongwe.

Since the declaration of UDI in 1965, communications between the Zambian and Rhodesian sides of Kariba had been virtually non-existent and Rhodesian biologists were unaware of the introduction of the kapenta into Kariba, but in June 1969, a strange fish was found inside the stomach of a tigerfish caught in the Sanyati Basin, 210 km west of Sinazongwe. On closer examination, it was found to be a kapenta. This was followed by numerous other instances where kapenta had become a tigerfish's meal. Although the numbers were by no means large, they were enough to say that the introduction had been a successful exercise and examinations of the stomachs of tigerfish showed that 70 percent of their food was now made up of kapenta. The Kariba kapenta are much smaller than the Tanganyika ones, reaching sexual maturity before a length of five centimetres and rarely growing beyond six centimetres

Commercial fishing of kapenta started on the Rhodesian side in 1976 and on the Zambian side in 1980/81, after Zimbabwe's independence. At night, one can see the flickering lights across the dark waters of Lake Kariba. These are the fishing rigs at work. Catches are seasonal and during the summer months, the kapenta moves inshore, to protected bays, where they breed. Commercial catches rise again after March when the adults return to open waters. However, if the rain has been poor, there is less food for them, which means poor harvests for the fishermen (and for the fish and birds which feed on them)

But it is not only man, fish and birds which are out to get this Silver Gold. These hardy little fish are sucked into the turbines and spewed into the stilling pool below. Yet, they still survive and have made the 220 km journey through a river, devoid of plankton and infested with predators, to establish new shoals in Lake Cahora Bassa in Mozambique.

Because kapenta is so easy to prepare, an idle housewife can leave the beerhall just a few minutes before their husband comes home and still have a plate of tasty fish ready for his meal. Hence the name - the food of the painted women.

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SOURCE:
A Wilderness Called Kariba by Dale Kenmuir
Tales Of Zambia by Dick Hobson
Zambia by Ian Murphy and Richard Vaughan





Northerners

Many of you have asked about Maurice Diamond. I spent last weekend in Siavonga and here is a photo of Maurice, taken at his hotel, Lake Safari Lodge:

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I also managed to bum some photos from his son:

Above the dam wall

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The Wall

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Inside the wall

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The turbines

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The stilling pool

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The Gorge below the dam wall

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The Bush And Eye

Sometime last month, I mentioned that Francois D'Elbee will shortly be publishing a new book entitled 'The Bush And Eye'. On Tuesday I met with Francois and was able to have a look at this superb book. It was only a quick look as he only had one copy - the rest are still on the printing press. The book will only be available later this year, probably in August. However, I did scan a few pictures to give you a taste.

Francois spent five months in the Lower Zambezi National Park taking over 6,000 photographs and he has selected approximately 150 for this book. Some copies will be available at Banbury in September.

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(Arthur, before you ask .... no, I haven't got the picture of the chameleon yet, but I will be getting it - I'm just a little busy at the moment ....... posting all these photos).




Elias

It seems to me you're rather keen
To get your hands on some glycerine
But listen out while I tell
That glycerine has an awful smell
Of this you can be sure
It it worse than manure
Especially on manky chicken's feathers
Plus I prefer Arthur ... in leathers

Linda

No, I don't know.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 04, 2002 at 06:46:36 (UTC)


Hi Sue Forde
Tina told me that you mentioned you have not heard from me in ages? I am confused as I have sent you several emails in just the past week or so, with no response. Has your email address changed? By the "Great White Kangaroo" remark in your posting, are you now promising to smuggle Nico in your suitcase to charm all of us ladies... He! He!

Paudie
You are way too modest. Does the band music come with jive dancing lessons too? I have always been a terrible dancer. Too busy chasing.. Ha! Ha! Of course, I could run faster when I was younger...

Heather
Do you know if you are coming yet?

Bwana Shoe Shiney Shone
I don't see your name in the people who have paid up. Do I have to come to Zambia and kidnap you, too?

Elias Gorgonzopolis
Your days are numbered my friend. Take it from me, there is a plot afoot to capture you and bring you in a mealie meal sack to the bash. It would be much more dignified just to come of your own accord. Rememher, I have your street address.

Wanted at the Bash
Barry Blackie Hall. Offering reward for first person able to snare him and drag him along. Ladies...???

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 23:27:22 (UTC)


Garry Brasso
Garry, when Des Kenny was collecting money for his party, he had a personal bank manager friend who authorised payment of my cheque and increased my overdraft. Can you find out who it was and see if Des can arrange a further increase of my overdraft and I will send you a cheque.
Preferably a HUGE increase in my overdraft, with preferential interest rates.
Thanks a lot.
Regards
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 22:43:47 (UTC)


Charles Cartmill
Hey Charles you have good taste in women as well as wine!
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 22:34:13 (UTC)


Wilma Wall!

Jij komt uit Mufilira, dan komt jij Banbury naartoe? Ik hoop dat jij zal! Ik zal in Londen met mij vrienden in Ealing blijven. Maar weet je dat ik zal de trein nemen van Amsterdam CS naar Brussel, en dan de EuroStar naar Waterloo. En jou?

Ik kom thuis naar Amsterdam op de 12 Juli.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DvdB
(San Francisco)



Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 21:47:26 (UTC)


Gary Brassington

Ok, I'll keep on contacting Mufulira folk to come to the Banbury Bash, if you promise to stop trying to misrepresent them as part of the Kitwe contingent!!! He He!

Barbara McLoughlin, daughter Samantha, and son Jamie, are part of the Mufulira contingent. (Nice try! he he!)

Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 16:55:32 (UTC)


Ooops!

Arthur - yes I do sense a distinct odour of CHICKENS! That elusive Greek in a kilt is not gonna get off so light this time. Don't forget Pappy & Shirley Papier live nearby and Paps works as a bouncer in a nightclub weekends and has some large mates in kilts up there! They can be very persuasive - Elias U taking note here!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do I make that all important cahh - yes or no??????????

Fiona Robertson

Thanks for your e. mail. I do sincerely hope U will be able to attend the Bash so we can welcome U in person to the ever increasing GNR family. We are all great people from a great continent.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 16:42:37 (UTC)


Banbury Bash Acknowledgements

Those listed below thanks for receipt of your cheques and confirmation of attendance at Banbury Bash:

Chris & Hazel Forde - Perth, Australia;
Craig & Michelle Zdyb - Ex Mazabuka;
David & Gill Heaton - Ex Lusaka;
Steve Clarkson - Ex Kitwe, Livingstone & Lusaka.

Thanks to following for calling me today and confirming will be attending and posting payments:

Barbra Torrence (McGloughlin) & kids Samantha & Jane - Ex Kitwe;
Nina Adams, Norman Kemp and 2 children - Ex Mazabuka.

U see this Bash is booming and will have a more international contingent as well as in Zambian terms a national mix. Not just Copperbeltonians. The provinces are gathering strength too. Superb. Paudie keep up the pressure on th folks from Muf mate!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 16:34:57 (UTC)


Elias Georgopoullos,
Snooty Miners? Ag nooit – may bru! Ek se yew ous of Lusaka are lekker okes – but Lusaka chicks are even lacqueurer!
(Translation for readers from North of Broken Hill: "Snooty Miners? Nay, young Fellow! I eulogize gentlemen from Lusaka - nevertheless, young ladies from Lusaka have more to commend them!")
Regards
CJ

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 13:05:23 (UTC)


Northerners,
Although I've never meet him, I'm sure there are people on this site who have fond memories of him.

I’ve just read in today’s Cape Town “Cape Argus” that another ex-Copperbelter has passed away. Former Springbok captain Stephen Perry Fry died on Saturday, in Somerset West (SA), after suffering a heart attack – at the age of 77. Born in Somerset West, Fry attended Bishops where he matriculated in 1941. He saw active service in Italy 1942-1945. He was awarded his Springbok colours in the 1951-52 tour of the British Isles and France – and they were unbeaten in all 5 tests. On that tour, South Africa racked up its biggest win to date, 44-0 against Scotland at Murrayfield. In 1953 he played in four tests against the touring Australians. Later, he took over as captain in the 4 test series against Robin Thompson’s touring British Lions. In the final test, with SA one game down and the Boks facing their first defeat since 1896, the Boks managed to win – drawing the series. Fry retired from rugby shortly afterwards. He had a BSc in Engineering from UCT, and in 1956 he moved his family to Northern Rhodesia; where he worked on the Copperbelt for eight years.

Fry leaves behind his wife (Bettie), two children (Juliet and Mark) and two grandchildren. His memorial service will be held on Friday at the Bishops Chapel at 10h30.
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 11:25:58 (UTC)


Linda Dore

Thanks, but I think the man to watch and listen to at the Bash will be Brian Geyser, lead guitarist and founder of "The Crusaders". Brian won the "Best Lead Guitarist" award at one of the Battle of the Bands competitions.



Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 05:17:05 (UTC)



Tina I look good in anything.
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Elias are you definitley coming to Banbury? I hope so, you will never live it down if you dont show, and if you are coming dont forget your baby doll night attire.
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Alix is there not any way you can let us have your boyfriends pc address and then we can keep an eye on you all we do is mark subject for Alix?

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 05:13:14 (UTC)


COOKIE

Congratulations!! I know I am a couple of weeks late but I have only just checked the GNR and saw the great photos of your wedding. On reading the posting about your "hollow legs" it is obvious that you are still a party animal - does Teresa realise what she has let herself in for? It's good to know that you haven't changed and I wish you and Teresa a long and happy marriage.

Have a great time at the Banbury Bash and make sure lots of piccies are taken. Needless to say I am extremely envious that I can't be there but I am sure you will all have a great time.

Sandra

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 03:55:23 (UTC)


Hi all
Just caught up with the news, having a great time in .....sunny (at the moment) Papakura, south of Auckland in NZ...among the cows, and sheep etc...wonderful to be able to relax among friends, drink NZ wines,eat the best lamb in the world..gosh Perth seems so far away...
Marilynn I will get in touch with you when I return, for our posh coffee......(Thanks Arthur, first time I have been called "posh" )
ciao
Alix
IN NZ


Alixandria KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 03:13:04 (UTC)


Doug ....

Seymour Butz, wasn't he the fellow that went out with that cute dental hygenist Ginger Vitas. Ginger's brother was such a cad and left a bad taste in my mouth.

Ken


Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 02:20:03 (UTC)


Ken ,

Funny you should mention Bob Sole - he was a friend of that American doctor who visited Chinsali - Seymour Butz , remember him ? One of those guys who just had to get to the bottom of every African folk story .

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 01:44:01 (UTC)


Snooty Miners
Bah!! Exclusive hospitals, exclusive schools, exclusive clubs, exclusive townships. Their own electricity supply Corporation, their own airline, their own water supply. Huge salaries, in real money, school fees paid for, air tickets paid for. Free housing, free electricity, free water, low rates. Servants paid for.
No wonder they look down on anybody further South than Kabwe/Broken Hill.
Dave Cooper has already rushed to your defence, although he is so livid that he is lost for words in his 3 blank emails to me. Oh wait a minute, maybe he has hidden the insults using that trick that Heather is fond of. I'll go back and roll my cursor over the blanks.
Elias



Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 at 00:02:38 (UTC)


Gary

You notice a clucking noise?

And a chicken smell?

I think I need a new soundcard in this pooter.



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 22:52:21 (UTC)




ELIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!! U HAVE NOT RESPONDED BY ADVISING U R GOING TO BE AT BANBURY BASH TO MAKE LUSAKA CONTINGENT LARGER! BETTER BE THERE!!!!!!



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 22:14:30 (UTC)


Douggie Waybush .....

Your kind words for our departed friend Eileen Dover were much appreciated. A Mr.R.Sole, also e-mailed me a conveluted epistile and once I get to the bottom of his lengthy missive I will respond to his kind words of condolence.

Thank you.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 21:46:07 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

Wow! I am using my hosts' brand new iMac G4 computer with that incredible flat screen that extends off a round base CPU. What an incredible display. All the images posted on the Great North Road message board suddenly have taken on a new life. It's as if I am actually looking through a looking glass into the real images and not a bitmap posted through the Internet browser!

The display is so startlingly real that I've gone back and reloaded recent image postings just to enjoy what they must have really looked like by the photographer.

The shots of wildlife in Luangwa National Park posted last month were particularily gorgeous. Good work!

I am sold on the iMac now. Oh, oh---the Canon G2 and the iMac G4 and G5---can I afford this?

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem
(visiting San Francisco)

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 21:32:59 (UTC)


Johnny

Only babydoll nighties... are you sure you'll look good in one?

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace, formerly Beauteous knows me as Petal)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 21:20:12 (UTC)


What a gaggle of snooty Copperbelt Posers
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 19:06:17 (UTC)


Posh, and pish posh,

There were definitely posh boundaries in NR! I remember the first time we arrived in our truck at a horse show. We were six kids with a horse each, but we did not have all the "right" clothes! Our horse box was not the "usual" but a converted maize truck!

However having said that, our horses were Imported, and good quality, and we won so many classes that at prize giving , our family was finally given the TEAM cup, since we outscored both the Lusaka, and Mazabuka team.

Having said that, winning did not elevate us to the "posh" status, but my brothers, being both good looking and charming, found a way to overcome these boundaries with the ladies in question.

That thing called the sun,

for those with an inclination to be envious, it is warm and sunny here today. How warm, on thirty six C or so. Perfect summer weather!

Digitals,

Dawie, i have a casio digital and i love it! You can set the quality of the pictures you want taken, and it can take a poster size picture with excellent quality if you want, or more normal sizes too. i love being able to see right away how good the picture is, and deleting it if it is not right. Getting regular prints is really easy too, if you want them. Go forth and have fun with it, but please, no pictures of whatever you were waving! ;)

keep well
m



Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 15:17:45 (UTC)


Arthur
Posh boundaries? Such an amusing little explanation – my education was seriously lacking! I knew none of this when I lived in ‘squalid’ Kitwe.

Oh, and taking tea in Perth? Yes, china teacups, coffee at the Quay - sometimes even a sip of Margaret River or Swan valley wines - only every now and then of course! My, what a decadent, hedonistic life we lead - but not Nouveau Riche, Arthur – such a common label!

Your retirement: well, if your business needs you – who are we to complain? Here’s hoping you land a big one! Just don’t get too used to it – you’re way too young to start thinking we don’t need you on the GNR!

Mr & Mrs Cookie
Thank you so much for sharing your special day! Congratulations once again and may all your steps be dance numbers!

Bob Allen
Ah – Rhodwins! So many good memories…

Marilyn
Mindolo Dam! More memories… I don’t remember G & T’s but I do remember Black Velvets!

Dawie
Excuse me! I am a visual thinker and you just put me off my dinner! I shudder to think about what you will 'record' now!

Linda
Sorry – the Crocodile Man is hanging his head – he was panned by the critics recently for his first big feature filum! Agh shame hey! You’ll just have to put up with the great white Kangaroo found in nearby parks!

Tina
Looking forward to your travel diary, then giving you a great big hug in September!

Brian Geyser and Paudie
How lucky are we? Time to get out those winkle-pickers and net petticoats for the Rock and Roll Crusade - I’m certain a few can still remember how to jive! I CAN'T WAIT!!!


Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 14:30:09 (UTC)



How gullible can you girls get Arthur has got me a pair of stripeys as well, also a pass key to any room in the hotel so be afraid be very afraid.
Johnny With love in advance.

john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 13:09:37 (UTC)



They seek him here
They seek him there
Those dollies seek him every where
Is he in the Banbury house hotel
Has he been seen
That dammed elusive Johnny Green.
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PS. Only baby doll nighties allowed.


john greenClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 13:01:40 (UTC)


Hi Arthur,

Have just returned from a break in Spain where we went to see that thing in the sky that you call the Sun, practically never seen in the U.K. and while reading all the messages I had missed, I noted in one of your messages that you refer to me as posh!
Why thank you kindly Sir, that is something I would really like to be - especially if my second name was Beckham!

Joking aside, I also noted that you had to be well heeled to live in Salisbury Drive, well my Mom lived in Salisbury Drive for years and we had droves of friends who used to come and swim and braai every weekend, and to think I didn't realise that we were so well off!

Arthur I hope you enjoy your Salmon fishing, my son caught a huge Salmon in one of the rivers in Inverness. He went fishing with one of our Pilots who is an expert and now Shane is completely hooked on fishing.

I hope you all have a great time at the Branbury Bash -

Regards,

Maz



Marianne Martin (née Griffiths)Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 08:27:08 (UTC)


LINDA

Don't worry about Johnny - I don't think he'll be bothering us. He was enquiring about booking a room next door to Diane Sewley (nee Longman - you know, the Posh girl who never picks anything, but I could tell you a thing or two about her other unposh habits!). Besides, I think the Sarky Headmaster will be patrolling the corridors in his stripey PJ's, making sure there's no hanky-panky. Hmmm, we might have to put something in his drink!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 07:49:34 (UTC)


Arthur

I know why you made my password so difficult to remember! It's payback for running too fast in primary school, hey? We Perthites are meeting for coffee next Sunday morning because I'm going to a reunion braai on Saturday night with some old Kitwe friends. I'll need the coffee fix next day. I've been known to enjoy a wine or six, and as for a cool G & T - my favourite. I fondly remember watching the sunset at Mindola Dam sipping a few G & T's.

I saw one of the latest photos is of Pierre Fable. I think his mum, Yoli, is my godmother. I loved their pink house on the very posh side of Kitwe. Pierre, if you're out there, contact me and update me on all your news.

Fiona Robertson

I used to be a silent GNR visitor for ages but mainly because Arthur made it difficult for me to get in. (See above). I think he really is a softie just likes a bit of pay-back every now and again.

So, once again the great folk who started and run the GNR have reunited old friends and family.

Arthur, enjoy your retirement however short-lived it may be.



Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 06:05:11 (UTC)


Arthur,

Your message made me larf so loud, man. Jislaike, I needed that!

It's not all common like East Nkana! Don't lower the tone...it's Nkana-East. And actually, Nkana-East was a real appellation. I am not sure if it is so marked on the interactive map of Kitwe included herein the GNR (which we have all viewed, I assume).

By the way, I am now going to do some penis-wagging... but I bought a brand new digital camera. Wow! Wot a beaut! Go up on the Web and check out the Canon G2. What a dream... does video as well. Get ready for some excellent JPGs... I am not sure if I can cart it over to Banbury, what with that rabble from non-posh parts of Nkana.

The Who are touring the US. But I am not a big Who fan (only liked their real early stuff). I prefer bands like "X" (punk band out of LA in the 1980's)... well they are at the Hootenanny in Irvine (southern California) on 6 July. I will try and catch that. Bought some great sounds here Stateside (like the 25th anniversary edition of "Band on The Run"---brilliant double CD with lots of outtakes and stuff, and of course the new Bowie).

Tot ziens.

Vriendelijke groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem
(visiting San Francisco)


Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 06:04:55 (UTC)


Sue, Hazel and Chris Forde
Wow! A double bonus. I get to see all of you. This is getting very exciting. The Kitwe Kontingent is surely going to be out in full force there. Any chance you can sneak the Crocodile Hunter cutie in your suitcase. I just love the animation on that man's face. "Crikey! Me arm..."

Paudie
This is going to be such a treat to hear you playing with the other musos. I suppose Brasso will be upping the cover charge if it gets any better than this! He! He!

Heather
Do you know if you are coming for sure yet?

FiFi
I was wondering if we should hire the services of a security guard to stand watch over the door while we are having our Pajama Party? I just don't trust that Johnny Green. I suspect he may buy a wig and jammies to sneak in.

Linda Hayes (née Linda Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 02, 2002 at 02:53:22 (UTC)


Ken ,

Eileen's brother Ben did an excellent job getting everyone together for a memorial service in UK two weeks after the tragic event . Those from Chinsali and surrounding areas included Anne Teak , Jean Poole , Doris Schutt , Laura Biden , Barbara Seville , Amal Sjukup , Nina Clark and Alice Well .

It was a good send-off for someone as footloose as Eileen !

Doug

Douggie WaybushClick here to contact me
London, England
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 23:03:39 (UTC)


Gary Brassington

I spoke with Brian Geyser of "The Crusaders" fame this evening. He has kindly invited me to play with "The Crusaders" if/when they play at the Banbury Bash. So that'll be a Lusaka band reunion, with a Copperbelt muso guesting with them. All thanks to the GNR.

The cheque you've just received from me was on behalf of Chris and Hazel (née Dutton) Forde, of Perth, Australia, for their attendance at the Banbury Bash. They will be part of the Kitwe contingent.




Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 22:23:14 (UTC)


Fiona Robertson

Hi and welcome to the GNR! Good to see U have decided NOT to remain one of the "silent" surfers on the site anymore - you'll find we are good friends and fun too! Now to business - I see U R based in Berkshire - not far from Oxfordshire and Banbury! Have a look at the June archived message board and you will find details of the "Bigger Banbury Braai Bash" due to be held on Sept 21st. I hope you will be able to attend as there will be a very large contingent from Kitwe.

Paudie

Spoke to Brian Geyser earlier this afternoon. He will be calling you soon to discuss the band get together. Things looking good for Bash Band Reunion so far! All going well the "Crusaders" will be in attendance for guest appearance. Start to practice!!!! Also confirm receipt of your cheque for the 2 Guests from Australia! Looking good on the International attendance front!

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 18:51:50 (UTC)


Dawie, Gary

Where did these boundaries of poshness and the "nouveau riche" you talk about exist in Nkana and where was the actual centerpoint for discerning all points North South East and West? I would say the railway crossing over Central Street. Thus the three rabble ridden areas of Nkana being divided so - North Nkana towards the melee of the market and railway station, South Nkana - towards the compound and slag dump, West Nkana towards industria, refineries and the big belching smoke stack. The up-market side of town of East Nkana, is therefore down Central Street towards the Kafue. Contrary to popular belief - the Power Station lot were a sappy lot so were fenced IN to keep them from wandering into Nkana and then getting stoned and donnered.

My deduction therefore is that I was the most "nouveau riche" person in Nkana as we lived the furthest east on Central Street anyone could be. And since that house was rented from the corporation, it was obviously not good enough, as the last house we lived in was in up in Riverside where we could look down from the hill in our privately owned bungalow onto the squalid areas far below in Nkana and the rest of Kitwe.

The richest people I knew lived in a house on Salisbury Drive, down in Parklands - they had loads of peacocks strutting around the lawn and if you snuck inside the house you could see the fishtank they had built into a wall in the hallway. I don't remember who the people were, but as usual I got banned from accompanying my Mum after I showed her up in some way like picking my nose or feet. Children could be a pain in the arse when you're trying your best to appear all la-di-da and sipping tea.

I think perhaps the poshest Nkana girls we have here on the GNR are Maz Martin (who was in all the papers and magazines) and Di Longman - a MAYORS daughter no less - is that posh or wot ! They wore shoes and didn't pick anything.

Marilyn Shooter, Alix and Sue and Hazel Forde perhaps could also be in the running - notice how they now meet up for "a coffee" - not like the usual Northern Rhodesian girls I know, who'd be down the nearest bar having a few beers and a crate of wine. I did notice a few years ago how aloof Marilyn was when I chased her round the playground and she didn't let me catch her. So perhaps Perth is the new posh and "nouveau rich" being on the Eastern point on the GNR globe? I bet they also drink tea from best china cups (with saucers). New Zealand qualifies for the south point with its slag, the USA for the west with its giant smoke stack and Europe of course, the melee of the north.

Sue et al

Much to the regret of many I have only "retired" for a short while. My business demands more of my time recently and the GNR has had to go last in the queue for any spare moment I get. Also it is the salmon fishing season soon and they also demand my spare time. Apart from that Heather needs something to do.

For now I will concentrate on scanning the Rhokana Reviews to CD and I will post up some bits and pieces from these on occasion. You may all continue to send me your photos for posting in the usual way, and if I get too many I will relay them onto Heather to post for you all. Lucky girl.


Arthur




Northerners !

Three photos from Gary Brassington taken at Cookies wedding.

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Here also are a few photos Ian and Lorraine Forbes asked me to scan and post up for them when we met at the Wallasey bash.

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(Myself) off to tennis on Saturday afternoon at the Nchanga Tennis Club, Chingola


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In ramming mode, au bord de canoe, Rhodwin

I think the Rhodwin slide shots were taken in 1966 - Actually, it was one of a series of three canoe action shots taken by my wife, of which only that one was (much) later printed.

We had many pleasant braais at Rhodwins, with different friends from Chingola.

Incidentally, the chap I am just about to ram was named Billy Park, and I think he and wife Beth came from Liverpool, at least they surely sounded like "Scowsers"!


Cheers, Arthur

Bob Allan

Melbourne







Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 18:49:00 (UTC)


Hello All!

Thinking of you dotted around the globe and wishing you individually a wonderful day. Have two flame lilies blooming right now and a host on the way. North Texas is very rainy right now so they think they everything is normal but they are a bit puzzled about the local accent.

Sue Forde - thanks. Holiday was a blast with only one real mishap addressed below. Be assured you will be emailed in detail. Photos going up on Detour.

Fifi - First, be assured, lovely lady, you could never be classified as "the mishap addressed below". "Miss Happiness" maybe. Anyway, it was a real and considerable PAIN not being able to meet you in person this trip and I look forward to the Sept. bash even more (and meeting everyone).

Linda - Look forward to actually meeting you sooner if you can stop over in July.

Bash check's really mailing today, Gary, hugs!

Tina



Tina Magee (née Wallace, formerly Beauteous knows me as Petal)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 16:30:25 (UTC)


Ada Cantrell,
I've just had a long telephone chat with Tony Wienand who has just returned from - yes - a twitching trip to Zambia (even managed to spot a Chaplin's Barbet. I'll print the article and photograph of your families and get them over to Tony asap. He was 'chuffed' to hear from you after all these years, and will make a plan to drop you a line (he hasn't email facilities).
Cape Town GNRs...
When are we going to have a reunion at Scrumpy Jacks?
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 12:01:18 (UTC)


EILEEN DOVER .......

Greetings from the Great Canadian North, and wishing you all a wonderful Rhodes and Founders Day.

Here in Ottawa, now that the G-8 demonstraters have left town we are celebrating Canada Day. Eileen Dover formerly of Northern Rhodesia, would have remembered the day as Dominion Day....my how things have changed in the colonies.

A cloud hangs over to-day's celebrations. Eileen Dover, while on holiday, tragically lost her life earlier this month when she lost her footing and fell into the gorge just below the Niagara Falls. She will be remembered by her many friends in the foothills of Kananakis located in the Canadian Rockies and Chinsali, Northern Rhodesia, where she was born and lived before coming to Canada in 1963.

Eileen, who regularly read the bullitin board on the GNR loved celebrating Rhodes and Founders Day. Her warmth, humour and charm will be remembered by all her friends in Canada as they celebrate Canada Day.

As the sun sets in your part of the world, please raise your glass of G and T or Castle Lager, and toast Eileen Dover for a life well lived.

Ken Miller



Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 11:28:50 (UTC)


Gordon & Irene Bruce, Johnny Green and Tony Bruce
Sorry guys, the Watt family you all mentioned doesnt belong to Louise. She says her Dad's name was Alan Watts and she thinks he was an electrician. She remembers that they stayed with a family called Margaret and Alec Scott who also now live in Dundee.
Any other clues?
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 08:33:19 (UTC)


Hello Everybody - 1st message I've posted although I am one of the silent majority who reads message board regularly and love all the memories that are brought up. I was one of the lucky ones who had a fantastic childhood in Zambia and as a result of this site have managed to contact old friends whom I thought had been lost forever. Some of you may remember my Dad and Mum - Mary and Ernie from Kitwe as I recognize a few names of friends of theirs.
I wanted to let you all know that after 20 years of working for various multiples and independents I have just started to do travel from home - Craig has very kindly added a link to my web page - as we all seem to travel quite a bit I'd be very grateful if you would drop me an e-mail or give me a call next time you want a holiday. I can book anything from last minute deals to cruises and everything inbetween.
Hope to hear from some of you soon - and now that I've actually plucked up the courage to post I may not find it so hard to do the next time!

Fiona RobertsonClick here to contact me
Reading, Berks., England
Monday, July 01, 2002 at 07:45:43 (UTC)


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