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Gary
Chris and I will be at Morgan's Orchard from the Friday and would love to get together that evening. Keep us posted.
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 17:19:51 (UTC)
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Dear Beth Lloyd,
We hope you have a fantastic Rock n Roll party this evening; that you rock the whole way around the clock – with music from the ‘50s - and midnight sees you enjoying the start of the 50s.
I apologise for not being able to make the bash, but promise we’ll make amends.
Lotsa love –
Tess & Charlie
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 16:25:04 (UTC)
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Graham and Debbie plus Baby
Where are u staying for the Banbury Bash, we arrive uk 5th Sept away weekend (6th/9th) Longleat with Nathan back at house 10th as Keith is dropping kids off for the week......no peace for the wicked Haha..
looking forward seeiing you three
Chris and Ada Cantrell
Be great to see you again
Mark and Lizzie looking forward to a good time again
have Mum and Dad Powell found somewhere to stay?
regards Graham and Fiona
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 15:24:21 (UTC)
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Names Directory Entries With Bad E-mail Addresses:
With respect to one of the new lists mentioned in the update below, the following people have e-mail addresses in their entries that no longer work:- Grant Clark
- Louis Fuchs
- John Gray
- Elizabeth Halliday
- Grant Knowles
- Charles Mc Farlane
- Ian Meyrick
- Hugh (Reg) Ritchie
- Chris Tyrer
- Alister Watson
- Brian Williams
- Katherine Williams
These are just the ones I know about. I intend to do a mass mailing next week and will surely have a few to add to this list after that.
As it says below, you can fix this problem by logging in to update your entry. Thanks very much.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 00:13:52 (UTC)
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Recent Site Updates:
August 31st, 2002:- Added automatically-generated lists of recent additions and updates to the Names Directory to the home page of the Directory. Now you can see who has joined the GNR or updated their entry within the last week.
- Also added a list of people whose e-mail addresses no longer work. This is not necessarily complete, as people are only added as they come to my attention. If your e-mail address does not work, people will not be able to contact you (that goes without saying) and neither will you be able to log into the message board to post messages. You can update the e-mail address in your entry after you log in.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, August 31, 2002 at 00:04:42 (UTC)
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Banbury Braai Bashers arriving on the Friday 20 Sept!
Please would those of U staying in Banbury on the Friday please e. mail me or call me as I would like to know how many people so I can arrange a little pre Big Bash get together for U all as well - I need this info by Thursday 4 Sept please. Thanks .
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, August 30, 2002 at 23:30:06 (UTC)
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When ever my brothers had something in their bedrooms, they used to leave a chameleon or two wandering loose in there. None of the servants would go in to tidy or clean and the contraband remained safely hidden. My mother always used to stop and pick chameleons up of the roadside and take them home to put in her rose garden. They certainly cured greenfly in a hurry. Perhaps this is something Zambia could export for organic gardeners. By the way we did try and put them on something red, as it was commonly held that it would make them explode - we were very young - but it never happened. They turned a sort of pink but never red. Anyone know why?
Amanda
Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins) — Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Friday, August 30, 2002 at 23:21:50 (UTC)
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Linda Saunders,
I cant reply to your email please confirm your email address.
Regards Bill
Billy Laing — Click here to contact me
Stevenage, United Kingdom
Friday, August 30, 2002 at 13:11:30 (UTC)
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Elias
At last... after reading your explanation in number 4 below, I finally understand why all the Lusaka blokes dressed up as chameleons at the annual rugby fancy dress ball. He! He!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, August 30, 2002 at 11:44:21 (UTC)
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Charles Cartmill
CJ. Some more chameleon myths for you:-
1. If seen by a chameleon a pregnant woman will have a difficult childbirth.
2. If it crosses your path it will bring bad luck (Is this why Heather always stops and moves them of the road)
3. A girl will remain unwed if a chameleon looks in her eyes.
4. Chameleons are messengers of evil ghosts in Gambia and Native women will expose their breasts and spray milk on chameleons to calm the ghosts.
5. If a man touches a chameleon he is not allowed to touch his wife for 3 days. (Madagascar)
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, August 30, 2002 at 09:25:24 (UTC)
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GNR's - Banbury Bash.
Just back from work - the late shift! Which I hate as interrupts my GNR work. THERE ARE NOW ONLY 2 FREE SPACES LEFT AVAILABE BEFORE WE HIT THE 150 LEGAL MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ATTENDEES AS OF NOW 23.30 HRS ON 29/08/02
I confirm having added the following to Bash attendee list:
Kim Griffiths (daughter of Maz Martin - ex Kitwe); Len Hall - ex Mufulira & Derick Frankham - ex Mufulira and Wendy Hull (nee Vercueil) ex Kitwe (someone I remember very well and am looking forward to seeing again after nearly 27 years!!!!! Thanks people.
Elias G
Watch out mate! Concoctions - U ain't seen nuthin yet! Wait till the Sept. 21st my friend. Payback time for dropping out of Wallasey in May mate! Looking forward to seeing U soon ...... Ummmmm by my calculations in about 23 DAYS TIME!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 22:43:12 (UTC)
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Heather,
All this talk about Chameleons has jogged the old brain cells. I vaquely recall an old tale among the Bemba? people. It was about God ordering Lizard and Chameleon to take messages to Man. Chameleon was instructed to tell the people that when they died - they would return. Lizard was to tell them that when they died – it was the end. Lizard arrived first and said, 'When Man dies – that’s the end.' After quite a while, Chameleon arrived and said, 'When Men die – they’ll return.' Man didn’t know which one to believe. Thats why, today, they kill the Chameleon whenever they see him - because he arrived too late bearing good news. Lizard is also hated because of the bad news he brought - and runs for his life whenever he sees Man.
I also recall a belief that staring at a Chameleon was dangerous. It could flick its tongue up a person’s nose, and suck the juices from his brain.
Needless to say, I still find Chameleons fascinating creatures, and am sure there are many more myths associated with them.
Regards.
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 12:03:20 (UTC)
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BANBURY HEALTH WARNING
Be careful of any concoctions Garry Brasso has prepared.
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Potency concoction kills Mazabuka cop
Zambia Ind.Post. Thur29 Aug 2002
A policeman has died in Mazabuka after taking an overdose of male potency drugs.
The medicine was given to him by a traditional healer as they took opaque beer at a tavern in Kaleya. Police yesterday said Alex Mayumbelo died four hours after he took the medicine given to him by Sylus Sikulya, a traditional healer from Magoye. Police said the officer died after he took the medicine which was supposed to enhance his sexual appetite.
The traditional healer has since been arrested. Speaking from the police cells, Sikulya wondered why his patient died when they took the same medicine together.
He admitted that they had both taken the same concoction to prepare themselves for that night.
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Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 10:56:12 (UTC)
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BANBURY BASH 21/9/01 - REVISED SPACES!
AS OF THIS MORNING 29/08/02 THERE ARE NOW "ONLY 6 FREE SPACES" AVAILABLE BEFORE WE REACH THE PERMITTED 150 FIGURE. ONCE THESE SPACES ARE UTILISED I WILL (BECAUSE OF FIRE & HEALTH/SAFTEY REGULATIONS) "NOT" BE ACCEPTING FURTHER REQUESTS TO ATTEND!
BASHERS DON'T FORGET THAT THE VENUE LOCATION HAS MOVED TO "THE BANBURY GOLF CENTRE", AYHNO ROAD, ADDERBURY, NEAR BANBURY, OXFORDSHIRE, OX17 3NT. U will need to arrange taxis or would suggest U taxi share to reduce expense!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 10:50:41 (UTC)
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Bob Allan
No, I didn't squash the chameleon. In fact, I'm the stupid woman who stops and picks up chameleons crossing the road and puts them safely in the bush. But they're always a little pissed off by that stage - they get pretty windswept when a car passes over them. I stopped well before reaching this one, but I guess I was the first human he had ever seen. How did I know he was a male? When I approached him, he flattened himself out and tried to make out that he was bigger that he really was and only a male would do that.
You want to come back? Don't forget the Reunion which I am organising next year in September. I haven't posted a reminder on the board this month, but some basic details are on the June or July message board. And I will soon be able to start negotiating definite rates for hotels etc.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 08:24:13 (UTC)
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Banbury Bash Payment Confirmations - 29.08.02
I confirm receipt of payments from the following & thank you all!
George Maxwell; Steve Ritchie; Freddie Goode; Maz Martin; Len/Val Fitzgerald; Nick/Rita Nel & Adrian/Cindy Nash.
Anton Webber - Please can you e. mail me as to who your cheque covers and where in Zambia they come from. If there are married ladies in group please also advise their maiden names for name tags to be printed correctly. Thanks!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 08:10:29 (UTC)
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Heather:
Great photos of your very angry chameleon, Musonda Falls, and Mambilima Rapids.
Our little backyard fellow was a gentle green by comparison, and relatively undisturbed.
Your chap was doing a great camouflage job on the dappled road surface. I hope you ,or anyone else, didn't squash him!
Your magnificent shots of the countryside are making an old-timer restless again; I took our Kitwe-born daughter, Linda, back to Zambia 2 years ago to her birthplace, after 32 years. I want to go back again!
One day, I hope.
Cheers
Bob and Karen Allan
Melbourne
Australia
Robert Allan — Click here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 03:09:21 (UTC)
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Hi Craig
I'm going with the theory that it is Beauteous reaching from the grave. I like that better.. he! he! Actually, my hubby told me the same thing you did. Much less exciting. That virus email originated in the Phillipines when I did the source background check. And yes, it is the Klez. Thanks for responding. Sorry you guys wont be at the bash. I can see I am going to have to make a trip to Canada one of these years.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 21:10:25 (UTC)
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BANBURY BASH - SEPT, 21ST. @ BANBURY GOLF CENTRE, AYHNO ROAD, ADDERBURY, NR BANBURY, OX17 3NT.
Ladies & Gents - just to advise U all that we are now confirmed at 140 definate attendees as of 19.30 Hrs today 28 August. There are now only 10 spaces left and I will be closing acceptances/additions by Sat 31st August or if between now and then the 10 free spaces are taken up.
There are also a few attendees still overdue with their payments - please forward to me immediately or U will NOT be fed and watered on the nite! thank you.
Nina Adams - thanks for your phone call. Confirm I have added your mother Linda Dore' (emphasis on the E) to the Bash attendee list.
Payment confirmations.
Shirley & Terry Hinton (£ 40) and Barry & Annie Winterburn (£ 40) - confirm recekipt of your Bash payments and thank U all. Looking forward to meeting U in person on the 21st!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 18:39:21 (UTC)
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Linda,
To give you a specific answer I'd need to know which virus it is. However, it's probably the Klez virus and, even if it isn't, it's probably one that does the same thing -- i.e., spoofs the address in the "from" field.
These viruses get their supply of e-mail addresses from different sources. The primary source is, as usual, the Outlook (or Outlook Express) address book. However, they also get them from e-mail addresses on Web pages, old e-mail messages, and documents on the infected computer that contain e-mail addresses.
Simply put, someone whose computer is infected probably visited a Web page with your fake e-mail address on it (probably an old message board, although this message board now has that address) and so that address became part of the pool of addresses available to the virus. In the course of spreading itself it happened to pair your real e-mail address (in the "to" field, obviously) and your fake address (in the "from" field) and so it looks like Beauteous is getting back at you for doing her in. This is most likely just a coincidence, and the virus on the same computer probably also tried to send itself to bigbebby@yowza.com -- as well as probably sending copies of itself in messages that appeared to come from your real e-mail address and sent to other addresses in its "pool".
As it is, I get copies of this virus every day, and some of them appear to have come from other addresses that are mine, so it looks like I'm sending myself the virus. This is not the case, and a little sleuthing of the information contained in the extended headers can sometimes reveal the real culprit.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 17:27:54 (UTC)
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Craig
Have a question.. I received a virus from myself today! It surprised me as it originated from bigbebby@yowza.com which was actually my "ficticious" email when I posted as Beauteous on the GNR. I am confused as to how that could be? I mean, since that was not a real email, I am assuming that it then really originated from my own email address. Is that possible? Is the problem with me, personally, or is the virus working its way through the GNR email addresses? Just curious. My software zapped it.
Thanks!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 13:51:43 (UTC)
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Jilly
And only in Africa could someone breeding Cornish Rexes like yourself have someone call at the door to speak to you only to be told in all innocence by the maid: "The Madam is out back in her cat house."
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 05:20:46 (UTC)
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Sorry Gordon
The insult was unintentional this time. I just couldnt remember how you were related to Jimmy Smith.
Regards
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 00:31:22 (UTC)
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Mr Elias the Screek
Jim Smith of the Botawana and Zambia swimming fame is not my son in law. He is my "Niece's,spouce in law" He is married to my eldest sister June's daughter Ann. Besides he is now an adopted Ausie so I take exception to your inference. After all I am an American and we don't associate with them down under folk.
regards Gordon
Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 23:56:01 (UTC)
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Musonda Falls
Heather your picture of the Musonda Falls reminded me of a remote mission near the river. There was plenty of water but none near the mission. The fathers got tired of carting water for an ever increasing population in old oildrums from the river to the mission. So they commissioned a friend of mine , Ton Maltoun a huge Dutchman who was a lecturer at the University with the School of Mining and Engineering to design a waterpump that didnt need electricity, wind power or diesel engines to run.
I thought this was an impossible task but within a short time, Ton had designed what is called a "Rampump". It was so simple and used the force of flowing water in a pipe to pump a little bit at a time uphill. It only had one moving part,-a ball valve. Ton sent the drawings to the mission and the Fathers built it themselves. The pump was still working years later when Ton left to go back to the Netherlands.
If Gordon Garlick's son-in-law Jimmy Smith reads this , he will remember Ton. He was the only person who could stop Jimmy Smith in a water-polo match.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 22:51:16 (UTC)
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Heather
As usual, you have filled our hearts with beautiful photos. Thanks so much for doing this outstanding work. You should think about publishing a book of your efforts. You would have many takers.
Paudie
The two sets of photos are fabulous! Those little shorts in the earlier one are to die for. He! He! You all looked so young and innocent back then. Sounds like the birthday bash was a blast, but I have to say that our friend Mr. Silk (Howie) was a cheater, unfortunately. I know his birthday is not until December.. Looking foward to hearing some cool music in Banbury.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 22:01:17 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Thanks for all the memories in the photos from the Rhokana Review. Yes I will bring mine along to the bash.
Re Diggers RFC the McCullums shown are not brothers but cousins. Roy's brother is Ian and both of them played for the Boks. Their father was Jimmy a fantastic centre half who played many a good game for NR including his last when he markewd the great Jackie Milburn out of the match when NR played Newcastle. Alastairs dad was Billy who pyayed inside forward for Nkana. Alastair is a High Court Judge somewhere up north.
Some other people recognised in the other photo's are:
No 1 Prince Charles Schoo; I found Joan Bramwell in the 2nd row and Ian Andersons sister in front of her.
4th Photo: Gordon Millar next to Joan(and Bertie) Bramwells sister.
2nd Photo: Valarie? Curtis, Cocky Carew, Jannie Myburgh, Ken Loots and Ossie Osborne. Right at the back Bob Ball.
5th Photo; Don Campbell, Francis Carlisle(brother John) father Fred Mister 1st Aid. Leo Nielsen his brother Ivan was in a motobike crash and lost the bottom part of his leg,David Thomas(GNR)Daphane Galloti of the Galotti tribe, George, Dennis, Daphne, Desmond,Georgina and Dawn.
7th Photo Bancroft Elenor Kennet, Madelaine Kennet and Arthur Schmidt ex Boma Street Kitwe
In the pic at the panto Del Koenderman is at the back on the left. The picture by the way was taken in the Rhokana Cinema as anyone who visited it often can tell by the pillar
Photo on stage Daphne Galotti is in the miniskirt yes we had them then.
Thought these names can bring back memories for someone else
Best Wishes
Keep up the fabulous work
Guy
Guy Hobbs — Click here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 21:46:24 (UTC)
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HEATHER CHALCRAFT
Your pictures of the bush, especially the rivers are what keep me coming back to this site.
THANK YOU
Gordon Garlick
Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 21:27:05 (UTC)
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GNR Power
One of the GNR's most powerful uses is as a facility to put old friends from NR/Zambia in contact with each other again.
In February 2002 several ex-Zambian musicians from Mufulira made contact again through the GNR after having lost contact for 20 plus years.
On Saturday 24th August 2002, these ex-Mufulira musicians were reunited at a private birthday party in Durban. John Costopoulos, Des Brand, Alistair Coakley and Paudie Coughlan formed their first band in 1967 while at Mufulira High School.
This photo was taken in Mufulira in 1968.
This photo was taken on 24th August 2002 in Durban following the contacts made through the GNR. Left to right, John Costopoulos (now based in Durban); Des Brand (now based in Jo'burg), Alistair Coakley (now based in Jo'burg); and Paudie Coughlan (now based in the Republic of Ireland). After the taking of this photo, these musicians got together on stage to play together for the first time since last playing at a session at Mufulira Rugby Club in January 1971. Talk about a nostalgic event!!!!
The private party was a joint 50th birthday party thrown by newly fifty year-olds John Costopoulos ( muso ex-Mufulira); Mike Thomas (muso ex-Luanshya); and Howie Silk (civilian ex-Kitwe).
Other ex-Zambian muso's present and who also performed at the party were Keith Fordice (ex-Kitwe), Robbie Centonze (ex-Ndola), Pete Trollip (ex-Kitwe), Juha Kormano (ex-Kitwe), Janne Sonderland (ex-Kitwe). Juha and Janne flew out from Finland for the party.
Some other ex-NR/Zambians present were:
Roger Costopoulos (ex-Mufulira)
Helen de Kock (nee King, ex-Mufulira)
Irene Hannah (nee Costopoulos, ex-Mufulira)
Fay Centonze (nee Thornicroft, ex-Ndola)
Mark and Paula (nee Galloway) Gibson (ex-Kitwe)
Sheila Wallis (nee Stone, ex-Mufulira)
Linda Minotti (ex-Ndola)
Pauline Gibley (ex-Kitwe)
Clive and Jenny (nee Yarde, ex-Mufulira)
Neil Connelly (ex-Mufulira)
Of the above muso's, John Costopoulos, Mile Thomas and Paudie Coughlan will be performing at the Banbury Bash in September, along with Brian Geyser, Thelma Holland, Kim and Jamie Costopoulos, and Tina Magee.
Paudie Coughlan, visiting Durban
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 17:32:31 (UTC)
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Hi Johnny Green!
Thanks for your special greeting to my cathouse!
Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 11:22:21 (UTC)
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Johnny G,
From what I can ascertain, you’re very much on the right track with your reference to 'hospital'! I’ve been informed by an authority on the subject that, if we use the following formula, we should see the light.
a)For the first word – take the word “hospital’ and add “ity’ to its end.
B)For the second word – take the first three letters of the word “hospital’ and, dicarding the rest, add ‘el’ to the end of what you’re left with.
How did you manage to deduce the source so quickly? I can only assume that my formative years afforded me far more protection than yours.
Regards
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 10:53:53 (UTC)
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Charles like you I have had a very sheltered up bringing
and did not know what the cat house was you referred to, and am still in the dark as to your explanation that it could be a house of ill repute is that a type of hospital where ill reputees stay? I hope that Heather can locate one or more of the trainees and let us know whether it was two or ten cats, and I wonder if they ever got over the phase that they were forced to under go or are they still dangling around some where on ropes, and I wonder if the girl and the missionary ever married and lived happily ever after in an empty oil drum, perhaps we will never know.
Regards Johnny.
John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 09:18:43 (UTC)
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Bob and Karen Allan
Thank you very much for the chameleon picture. Here are two photos of a very annoyed chameleon taken on the Great North Road (in April) - he didn't like his meander across the road being interrupted.
MUSONDA FALLS (and the road approaching them)
These falls used to be called Johnson Falls and are about 55 km north of Mansa on the Luongo River. There is now a hydro station there, which accounts for the small amount of water.
MAMBILIMA RAPIDS
These are on the Luapula River, about 80 km north of Mansa.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 07:34:55 (UTC)
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Johnny,
I apologise for any confusion or embarrassment I may have caused you. I’ve just been told, by an extremely well travelled acquaintance, that a ‘cathouse’ can also mean a ‘house of ill repute’!
I, with my protected Northern Rhodesian upbringing and limited experience, was naturally refering to the place where the good Doctor Ma Kuku trained his two (or ten?) cats for space travel.
Regards
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 07:18:30 (UTC)
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I found the item below although it may be a little tongue in cheek - I mean have you ever tried to get ten cats into an oil drum ? Five max .
Doug
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ZAMBIAN SPACEFLIGHT
[Reprinted from Investigator No. 2 1988 September.]
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The Director
Ministry of Technology
Lusaka
Zambia
Dear Sir,
Could you inform me of the outcome of Zambia’s space flight program of the 1960s. An official news report of November 3 1964 stated:
America and Russia may lose the race to the moon, according to Edward Mukaka Nkoloso, Director-General of the Zambia National Academy of Space Research.
His ten Zambian astronauts and a seventeen-year-old African girl are poised for the countdown. He said: “I’ll have my first Zambian astronaut on the moon by 1965. My spacemen are ready, but we’re having a few difficulties…we are using my own firing system, derived from the catapult.”
Mr. Nkoloso continued: “To really get going we need about seven hundred million pounds. It sounds a lot of money, but imagine the prestige value it would earn for Zambia. But I’ve had trouble with my space-men and space-women. They won’t concentrate on space-flight; there’s too much love-making when they should be studying the moon. Matha Mwamba, the seventeen-year-old girl who had been chosen to be the first coloured woman on Mars, has also to feed her ten cats, who will be her companions on the long space flight… I’m getting them acclimatised to space-travel by placing them in my space-capsule every day. It’s a 40-gallon oil drum in which they sit, and I then roll them down a hill. This gives them the feeling of rushing through space. I also make them swing from the end of a long rope. When they reach the highest point, I cut the rope—this produces a feeling of free fall.”
I assume that the request for seven hundred million pounds was made by Z.N.A.S.R. to the United Nations. Please inform me whether Zambia received the grant and whether significant progress in space flight resulted.
Yours sincerely,
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REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA
MINISTRY OF POWER, TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS
P.O. Box 50065
Lusaka
11th July, 1988
Mr B. Stett,
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Dear Sir,
I refer to your letter dated 24th May, 1988 in connection with outcome of Zambia’s space programme.
I wish to inform you that the matter under discussion was never seriously taken up by the Zambian Government and as such no official backing was rendered to Mr. Mukaka Nkoloso’s efforts. The programme therefore died a natural death.
Yours faithfully,
E. N. Kamuyuw
Assistant Secretary
for/ Permanent Secretary
Ministry of Power, Transport And Communications
Douggie Waybush — Click here to contact me
London, England
Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 00:09:53 (UTC)
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Charles what is a cat house? Regards Johnny.
John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, August 26, 2002 at 19:26:32 (UTC)
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Elias,
Your link’s hilarous. Edward Makuka Nkoloso obviously spent too many nights in a cathouse – with his ambitions of being a colonialist! ‘Conquering’ Mars that’s populated by primitive natives’? This guy certainly earned his name - Makuku!
Regards
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, August 26, 2002 at 14:38:57 (UTC)
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As an added rider to Elias's news clip on the Zambian space Dr for all his denounciation of America and there spies, he did send a letter to NASA asking them to send him a few million dollars to continue with his experiments at his space training camp, they must have had a report from the American ambassador in Lusaka as they did not send him any dollars but they did send him a load of technical books on rocketry that I doubt he could understand one word of, I wonder what happened to them and where they are today if they suvived the Chimbooses around Lusaka? but for all he seemed a little ecentric he was still in there looking at the main chance money, so maybe not as daft as he appeared.
Regards Johnny.
PS
Maybe Heather could get an interview with his two candidates for space the young girl and the missionary as they could still be alive.
John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, August 26, 2002 at 07:41:19 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft
Your photos bring back so many memories, and tears to the eyes often enough. Having returned from Zambia two and a half years ago, my husband and I still pine for Zambia, and your photos make it worse!
I remember sitting around in the Simba School staff room when your lowdown first came to Ndola, it was very well read, passed around between all the staff members. It was black and white then, but i see from your site that it is now in colour.
We had some great holidays in kafue national park, and kasanka national park (when we didn't quite make it all the way to bangweulu, I was nearly 3 months pregnant and horrendously carsick for the first and only time in my life), and your photos bring it all back vividly as Kasanka became a favourite place to visit on the long weekends.
The waterfalls are amazing, we saw quite a few when we were up at lake tanganyika and mbala, and although we always wanted to do the tour in "Just Driving around in the North" we never managed it before heading back to NZ.
Anyway, thanks for all the time and effort you have put into having your photos uploaded to this site, they are much appreciated, even when they tug at the heart strings so much.
helen chileshe (née Derham) — Click here to contact me
New Zealand
Monday, August 26, 2002 at 02:19:22 (UTC)
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Dr Edward Nkolosa.Zambia' first Spaceman
Some time ago we were amused at Dr Nkoloso's training methods for his "astronauts". Such as rolling them downhill in dustbins, swinging them from ropes etc.
This lengthy article was written by him personally and published in The Times of Zambia. There is a photo attached showing him and a female astronaut with two cats that he was training to go to Mars. Unfortunately it is so faded even Arthur wouldnt be able to correct it.
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Article writen after the independance in 1964. (Lusaka museum)
I see the Zambia of the future as a space-age Zambia, more advanced than Russia and America. In fact, in my academy of science our thinking is already six or seven years ahead of both powers.
It is unlucky for Lusaka that I did not have the chance to run for mayor. If I had been elected, the capital city of Zambia would quickly have been another Paris, if not another New-York.
If I had been mayor, Matero, Kamwala and Chilenge suburbs would quickly have been filled with flats and skyscapers. Old houses would have vanished.
But never mind, we will have our Paris yet.
If I had had my way Zambia would have been born with the blast of academy's rocket being launched into space. But the Independence Celebrations Comitee said that would terrify the guests and possibly the whole population. I think they were worried about the dust and noise.
CREW READY
It is a great pity. All is ready at our secret headquarters in a valley about seven miles from Lusaka. The rocket could have been launched from the Independence Stadium and Zambia would have conquered Mars only a few days after the independence. Yes, that is where we plan to go - Mars.
We have been studying Mars from our telescopes at our headquarters and are now certain Mars is populated by primitive natives.
Our rocket crew is ready. Specially trained spacegirl Mata Mwambwa, two cats (also specially trained) and a missionary will be launched in our first rocket.
But I have warned the missionary he must not force Christianity to the people if they do not want it.
One other difficulty has been holding us up. UNESCO has not reply to our request for £ 7,000,000 and we need that money for our rocket programme. Then we can lead the world science.
I feel the Zambian Government should help now if we are to become Controllers of the Seventh Heaven of Interstellar space. The Government must pass strong bills to deal with the Satanic plots of our ennemies.
I have known for a long time that Russian spies are operating in Zambia. Yes, and American spies are well over the town too. They are all trying to capture Mata and my cats. They want our space secrets.
These people must be dealt with immediately after the independence if I am to keep my space lead. Detention without trial for all spies is what we need.
Otherwise I am happy with the Government, but it must encourage youngsters to join the academy.
At the moment they have knocked down my academy building in Matero. That is not good. I hope they build modern flats in its place to provide more offices for us.
The capital of the new scientific Zambia must look beautiful. People from afar must not see a slum as the capital of the world's greatest scientific state.
Zambians are inferior to no men in science technology. My space plans will surely be carried out.
Thanks to MartinC@ZOL
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Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, August 25, 2002 at 23:02:56 (UTC)
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To all you Freemasons,
Here is a joke I heard a few years ago and probably only Freemasons will understand it, no ofence to others.
Pat and Mick came over from Ireland to Scotland looking for work and were living in Digs in Glasgow, It was a Sunday when they arrived, and in these days there were no pubs open on a Sunday. Pat and Mick were strolling round Glasgow looking for a place they could get a drink,and they came upon this Masonic Lodge, Pat said to Mick, com'on will git a drink in here, Mick said no way am I going in there, it's a Masonic Lodge, Pat say's Com'on they will nae ken any better, Mick say's you go if you want I'm going back tae the digs.
A few hours later Pat comes back tae the digs covered in bandages, and an arm in sling, Mick say's whit happened tae you, Pat say's well I went in tae that lodge, and this guy asked me where I came from, I told him Befast, well he sat me doon, gave me drink, then these other guy's came over talked tae me and they gave me more drink, and eventually this other one came over and shook ma hand, and he said Boa, and I said Peep, and that's when all the fun started.
No secrets given away.
Jimmy
Jimmy Churchil — Click here to contact me
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Sunday, August 25, 2002 at 10:58:35 (UTC)
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Northerners !
Some more photos with messages posted below from the membership.
The Names Directory is going well and we've had 60+ members join already this month, I expect all the Banbury Bash attendees will be in the directory by now.
If you've lost your password or want to change your existing one to something more memorable this is now very easy to resolve - also you can update or change your existing details if you wish.
Gary Brasso
I don't expect there would be by now, but if there are any Banbury Bash revellers who remain in your debt please send the list to the headmasters office. Suitable measures will be taken.
Gill Main
Too baladdy late for me - you noticed I am already dribbling - take a look at my T-Shirt in the Wallasey Bash photos. I am to bringing a bib to Banbury.
Arthur
This picture shows two RST King Air transports of the Prospecting Division flying over the Kalengwa open pit. No doubt the famous Keith Davidson was involved. Keith was known as Farley to his friends and was a fine bush pilot.
cheers
Gordon Garlick
Arthur: We have just returned from two week's leave, so I have some catching up to do re Congo/Zaire photos from old slides.
Legend: 132:
Congolese customs entry point at Kasumbalesa, just north of Bancroft (Chililabombwe).
I remember there was about 10 miles of "no man's land" between the Zambian departure gate,and entry into the Congo.
133 & 134: Views of Sabena Guest House (yes, Johnny Green and Dave Cooper, we did stay there too. We also enjoyed the cheap Simba beer, at about 1/- eqivalent per litre!)
135: Further views at E'ville airport, showing the conning tower, where we had our camera snatched by an over-zealous gendarme, who had been reading James Bond (we saw the French translation on his desk!) We also had bayoneted rifles poked through our car window at road blocks on the Lubumbashi road in those exciting times (no photo!).
136: Further views of the Hippo Pool, just outside Chingola, featuring my wife, Karen on the rocks.
137: (a) Just for Heather, a shot of a now long-dead chameleon in our back garden, 20 13th Street, Chingola.
(b) Piccanins and hippo snouts, Kafue River.
Johnny G. Yes, we do remember Copperfields corner butchery in Princess(?) Street Chingola; the butcher my namesake taught my wife Karen how to cook and serve a ham properly, for which we shall remain forever grateful. Sorry to hear of his too- early demise with a burst appendix.
Do you have an e-mail address for his brother or widow? Incidentally, my dad's name was also Jim, not altogether unlikely with the Scottish background of the Allan clan. He did not live in Zambia or NR though.
Best wishes to all
Bob and Karen Allan
Melbourne
Hello Arthur,
Could you please publish this on your site. Hopefully, I could locate some of these people.
It's the class of 66 at Kansenji Secondary School.
Thanks,
Hans Mattsson
Uppsala, Sweden
The above Messages with photos posted by
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, August 25, 2002 at 08:59:39 (UTC)
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Elias, Johnny
I have received an email from the elusive George. Johnny, you'll be getting one from him soon but the one he sent came back - he had put the wrong address in.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 17:36:15 (UTC)
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Sarky
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The Bath Bash had you flipping food into your lap, Jeez one year on, another year older, dread to think! Happy b/day and remember to stick the serviette into the top of your t-shirt to prevent dribbling. Luv Ya.
Gill
Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 17:15:40 (UTC)
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FREEMASSONS .......
Ah.... the secrets of Freemasons. During the late 1950's growing up in Lusaka, I remember both my dad and Grandfather
dressing up in tuxedoes and going of to lodge meetings carrying their mysterious little wooden brief cases containing their colourful aprons and other mystical paraphernalia.
Both Dad and my Grandfather, were Brethern of the Scottish Constitution. My Grandfather, James Mees was a member of the Services 1291 Lodge in Edinburgh, Scotland,and my Dad, Tommy Miller was a member of the Lodge of Unity 1510,which was founded in Lusaka on February 2nd, 1956.
The Lodge meetings were held on a regular basis and I recall that one on the Brethern would be assigned to cater the dinner that they would have after their meetings. I am led to believe that the Brethern also enjoyed a few drams of Scotch as they toasted each other, and to ward off the scourge of malaria.
When it was Dad's turn to cater, my Mum with the help of Lefty our cook/houseboy ( domestic servant to be politically
correct) would plan and prepare the meal. Dad and Grandad would load up the volkswagen and head of to the meeting, no doubt accepting the credit for themselves, that the Brothers would lavish on them for the great meal.
Dad, never did discuss the business of the Masons, and apart from a few stolen peeks into the mysterious wooden brief case and trying to decipher a little blue book with mystical drawings, I was never able solve the secrets behind the Masons.
Both Brother Mees and Miller have passed on carrying with them traditions and secrets that have bonded thousands of men through the ages. Their aprons and other trappings of membership have long since disappeared with them. The only reference that I have of Dad and my Grandfather being masons is a printed announcement of an " Informal Meeting at Sea" held on board the S.S. "Braemar Castle on Thursday, 2nd January. 1958, by kind permission of Captain H.L. Holland.
The announcement listed all who attended, and that " The toast to the youngest Bro. present. Bro. T. Miller, was proposed by Wor. Bro. W. J. Savage and seconded by Bro. L.T. Davey."
Dad never did share his association of Freemasonry with me, not even the secret handshake.
Kenneth (Ken) Miller — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 13:23:36 (UTC)
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That day yesterday.
Thank you all for the birthday wishes and e-mails.
There are a lot more of you than I first thought without proper jobs to keep you busy or those that are now retired.
Sark
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 09:56:27 (UTC)
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Elias
Ask Mrs. Knox in Dundee about freemasons in Kitwe. My uncle John Finlayson and Mr.Knox were big in the Kitwe masons. My father also used to leave the house once a week carrying a mysterious little brief case - when I was a kid the masonic Christmas parties were the best in town, unfortunately the masons were not so keen on me when I became an adult - don't expect any funny handshakes from me when we do eventualy meet.
I read with interest your item about the Zambia airways pilot who possesed a shrunken head. In the 1950s my uncle Tommy decided to leave Northern Rhodesia and go see the world, I don't think the fact that Arthur's dad was his first boss was a factor, My uncle spent many years travelling and working, including a spell in the jungles of South America. When he returned to Zambia he brought 2 shrunken heads back with him, to this day I can see those shrunken heads as clear as if they were right here in front of me now, I remember the long dark straggly hair, the mouth bound with string, the tiny size of the heads and the very clear and relatively large skin pores. My mom was so horrified by them that she threw them away, I wish I knew where they went as they are worth a small fortune these days. Today shrunken heads from South America can easily be bought on the open market, almost invariably they are fakes created using monkey heads. In the tribal art world there are many human heads for sale, popular examples include the mumified heads of tattooed Maoris, or engraved skulls from PNG. I should add that possesion of Native American relics (including South America) in an offence in some countries including the USA.
George Maxwell — Click here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 06:43:41 (UTC)
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Mumbuluma Falls, north of Mansa (Fort Rosebery)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 04:01:46 (UTC)
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SARKYARTHUR!
Wot and U nerver told me! Awwww well I'll just have to have a few Lions in your absence mate! Many Happy Returns of the day! Hope you have a great time. Looking forward to seeing U soon.
Brasso, Natasha & Scott
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 18:38:27 (UTC)
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ARTIE
Happy birthday and lots of cuddles. I hope it's been a good one!
Love
Fi
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 15:19:55 (UTC)
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For anyone else who remembers the cute April Fool's (or Shinde Ciwelele) story of those amazing two tailed lizards (hmmm am I hearing a little gecko in here in here in here?) I never did post this at the time.
Oh Shinde Ciwelele
I wag my extra taily
While flying through the maily
To the U.S.A.
They've laid down lotsa money
They've fed me watered honey
I'm feelin kinda funny
Hidey Hey! Hey! Hey!
I'm dancey and unruly
Like they let me out of schooly
Because it's April Fooly
Today! -ay! -ay!
Wayyyy-Hayyyyyy!!!!!!!!!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 14:21:33 (UTC)
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A belated fanfare of frenetic felicitations on the anniversary of your natal day Art.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 14:12:13 (UTC)
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Arthur have a happy birthday, and the age of miracles is not yet passed if Craig has parted with a guinness for you.
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Elias is a star to locate our missing pilot so quickly I will try and get hold of him tonight.
John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 13:45:30 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Alles van die beste op jou jarig.
Tot kijk...
DAWIE
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 12:50:24 (UTC)
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Happy birthday – young Arfa
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Here’s wishing you all the very best in future years.
Elias,
You’re seldom wrong – but this time you’re right! Just ask Johnny Green. That ‘bush-chicken’ is, in fact, a francolin. We used to call them ‘bush-chickens’ as, once cooked, they have white flesh – like a chicken – but much more flavour.
With regard to your query about Freemasonry, I found a pamphlet advertising a video called ‘The Freemasons’, available in VHS or Betamax, at about 13 BP from:
The United Grand Lodge of England,
Freemasons’ Hall,
Great Queen Street,
London WC2B 5AZ
Regards
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 12:31:30 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur
I did miss those marvellous photos of my dad and my uncle Chris Naude - wonderful people, wonderful days and so many wonderful memories - I have saved them and thanks again Arthur as I don't have that many photos of my dad when he was younger and as he was the light of our lives, those photos are extra special and you are a darling.
I will ask Heather to scan the photos she has and send them to you as soon as she has some time.
Viv
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) — Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 12:29:27 (UTC)
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ELIAS
Thanks for the imformation, a nice person to know when you need imformation on someone or something. Will have to remember that! Me? have skeletons?
HEATHER
I promise I won't ask why they are black!
Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 12:26:38 (UTC)
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Very warm wishes to Arthur on your birthday.
Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 10:15:31 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY ...SARKS !! MAY YOU HAVE PLENTY MORE !!
If you are wondering why Heather never saw any chameleons , the reason being is they are all hiding from her, rumour has it .....in the lizard world is she is running an export business , dealing in exporting exotic lizards, particularly the twin tailed variety........giggles
Ali
Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 09:40:12 (UTC)
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ARTHUR'S HOROSCOPE FOR TODAY
Move your operations to a quieter place. Loud noises conceal devious motives. Scorpio seems to be paying you back for some previous insult. Don't stray any further into the wrong than you may already have.
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Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 09:23:10 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ARTY!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 03:30:50 (UTC)
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Perfect. Zikomo.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 01:58:05 (UTC)
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Arfa,
Happy birthday old man. Thanks for all you do. This Guinness is for you.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 01:51:33 (UTC)
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Big enough? :)
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 01:37:25 (UTC)
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Sarky Arthur
Happy Birthday
Tunwe Bwino!
that Chalcraft woman
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, August 23, 2002 at 00:12:38 (UTC)
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Craig
After yesterday, I wouldn't have been surprised if there were any of mine to fix.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 22:19:41 (UTC)
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Elias,
No worries. I actually didn't fix it right away, but I noticed an even bigger HTML faux pas than yours (not you, Heather) so I fixed yours at the same time. :)
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 22:06:35 (UTC)
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Thanks Craig, I didnt see your corrections.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:59:57 (UTC)
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Sorry, it's that Chalcraft woman AGAIN!!!!
Craig
It is only men that exaggerate the size of things.
Arthur
I have just read your message about Sakania. The town is in the Congo not in Zambia, but the border post is always referred to as Sakania
Keith Johnston
My brother is a partner in Rainbow and he runs the Lusaka side of the operation. Now please don't ask me why, with a name like Rainbow, all their trucks are painted black. If I owned it, I would have rainbows painted all over my trucks.
Elias
Sorry, it was only after I posted the picture that I realised that you might think I was making some oblique reference to you. I wasn't. It really was the only bit of wildlife I saw. Am I forgiven or do I have to beg??
And you're a star as well - finding George's address. You'd better email me and tell me how I'm going to have to pay you for this. And I'm going to email George immediately. Perhaps between you, Johnny and I we can get him up to Banbury?
I doubt whether you'll find the Freemasonry book in any bookshop. They couldn't afford to have it properly printed, so it was stencilled. I'll let you have this copy when I have finished with it.
Bangweulu Swamps
Luapula Bridge
This bridge crosses the Luapula River at the bottom of Lake Bangweulu and is 2.5 km long. It was opened on 19th August 1983.
Luapula River
Samfya
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:54:21 (UTC)
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Hi all!
This is my first post on the GNR message board (Yep, I have already slapped
my wrist).
Some of you know me and some of you may not, I run the ex-luanshya
website with Patrick Doyle.
The reason I am writing is that we are having a get together this Saturday
in London, a Luanshya/Zambia reunion, full details can be found on the ex-luanshya
website (www.ex-luanshya.com).
The location will be at Spice
Island which is located on the South bank of the Thames in London.
So if you are not doing anything on Saturday please try to come along, it is
very informal, we call it "a few beers".
All the best and hope to see a few of you there, all ages by the way!
Jeremy.
Jeremy Tucker — Click here to contact me
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:30:15 (UTC)
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Heather/ Johnny Green
I have found the scoundrel!!! He is still alive. Heather your address must be still current. This letter was taken from a visitors page. I have just lost the name but will get it back. I have deleted a few fullstops from his em address just in case, but I am sure you can figure out where they go.
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Name: Capt.George Grebezs
email: georgegrebezs@talk21com
url:
City: Walton On Thames
State: Surrey
Country: England
Date: 18 Feb 2001
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Zambia Airways 1967-1993 Most memorable aviation fun times were when I was based in Livingstone and flying the Beavers up and down the Zambezi; and circling the Victoria falls at sunset...............
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Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:24:55 (UTC)
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Heather
I usually like all your great photos, BUT I didnt like that last one of that scrawny chicken or female guinea-fowl.
I forgot to ask you about that Freemasonary book, do you have the Authors name or an ISBN number? I tried all the GNR book links and Amazon but couldnt trace it. I kept getting a message "try your local library"
Craig Hartnet
You are probably right about repetetive stories. I think the cause of this is the aluminium pots and pans my mum used to use at home. Aluminium being one of the causes of Altzheimers disease.
Yes you are right about HTML codes. I can never remember them so I have been trying to find a way of entering them using just one key stroke. The closest I have come is 3 to start BOLD and 4 to close.
Linda Hayes/Kriss Massie
I am surprised you two havent crossed each other before. Kriss claims to be the worlds best "Backward Longjumper".
Although I didnt see her name in latest Guinness Book of Records. Maybe there is another meaning to Backward Longjumper.
Keith Johnston
Keith, there you go with Heather's family tree of the Young Family. She is excellent with facts and figures and history, but even better with gossip and scandal. If you need to know who is sleeping with who's wife or husband. Who is getting divorced. The father of someones child. Heather will know or can find out. Just be careful of skeletons in your own cupboard, she will find those out on the way.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 21:06:05 (UTC)
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Heather,
Did you measure the snake, or is that an "estimate"? If the latter, who estimated and how can we be sure of his/her accuracy? ;->
Elias,
Didn't you post that story already? By the way, the headmaster is waiting for you in his office. Something about screwing up your strong tags.
All,
We just added another 14 members to the GNR, so we're up to 544 and growing every day. The "Looking For..." page is also growing just about every day. It's mostly the new members who have added to that page, but existing members can log in and add names to that page as well. Eventually they will be indexed by the search engines and we hope many more people will renew acquaintances with old friends through the GNR.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 20:10:57 (UTC)
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Heather:
Thank you for that imformation. I am actually surprised that Rainbow is run from Johannesburg, always knew they had a depot there but always thought the family ran it from Lusaka. Thats where I was told,(quite some time back)that Danny worked, but its not really important just trying to see where every one ended up!
Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 19:11:53 (UTC)
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Keith Johnston
Here is the run down on the Youngs:
Johnny, Caroline, Val and Lucy are siblings. Johnny married Lynn Parks, Caroline married Lindsay, Val married Gerhardus Coetzer who was killed in a car accident at Chisamba about 20 years ago and Lucy married John Meyer from Ndola. Johnny, Caroline and Lucy are still in Lusaka and I'm not sure where Val is (she was in Jo'burg and then moved back here a few years ago but I'm not sure if she is still here). Lucy used to post on this board some time back.
Danny is their cousin and he was in Zambia until about a year/18 months ago when I think he went back to South Africa.
The other Youngs, who are also cousins, are Keith and Eugene and their father is Rob. They are all based in Johannesburg although they run a Zambian transport operation. Rob was involved in Kansanshi when it was first opened.
Elias
Don't start posting things like that - I've already had Arthur asking whether I take things like snake-bite serum and a gun with me when I go on these trips. The answer - sometimes I do, but usually I forget. The only snakes I saw on my latest trip were two - one was dead, having been run over by a car and the other one was only about 15 inches long. Having said that - we had two snakes in our garden today - one, type unknown and the other a puffadder but neither of them were anything to sing or dance about. No photos because I didn't have my camera with me.
This was about the extent of the wildlife I saw on my trip:
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 18:54:03 (UTC)
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Elias Georgopoullos
Sorry it was the Smails(sp?) who lived opposite us, not the Ravensdales
Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 18:04:14 (UTC)
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Elias Georgopoullos
Hi, we were talking about Caroline Young and Lindsey Pierce yesterday and whether or not a Danny Young could be related?
Even though Danny was from Ndola, I am told he now lives in Lusaka and works for a company who his family own, they are also Youngs. What the relationship between them is, I am not sure but anyway they are more than likely just another Young family and no relation to Caroline.
And anyway the only reason why I can still remember Danny is because when I was still a little chap attending Kansenji primary school and lived in Stanstead road in Ndola, we had a Bull Mastiff who unfortunately decided to bite him on a visit to my house after school. If I am correct the Ravensdales(sp?) lived opposite us then and as far as I know still live in Ndola.
Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 17:50:36 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft is very brave!
Heather you are very brave travelling into the wilderness of Zambia. Look at one of the dangerous things that happen in Serenje:-
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Python swallows new-born Zambian baby
SERENJE, May 22: A python swallowed a baby minutes after it was born near the central Zambian town of Serenje, state television reported.
Heavily pregnant Joyce Mibenge was on her way to plough fields two kilometres (one mile) from her home when she went into labour, ZNBC reported yesterday. Halfway home, she was overwhelmed by labour pains and retreated into a nearby bush to rest.
"She gave birth there on her own. After a few moments when she had recovered enough to hold her baby she saw a happy python licking the legs of the baby with the rest already swallowed," ZNBC said.
The traumatised mibenge pulled herself to her feet, fled to her home and raised the alarm, but searching villagers were unable to find the snake. She did not even know whether she had had a boy or girl. (REUTERS)
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I like the way that a heavily pregnant woman still has to go out and plough her fields. This is how it should be with women, they must earn their living.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 17:47:48 (UTC)
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BRASSO,
Sory Gary but Mr & Mrs Braidford will NOT be attending the Banbury bash, I am sure to regret it but there you are. We are seriously considering the one in Zambia next year, if we can possibly afford it, and if the doctors will allow me to go there. Malaria would be very bad for me, and I have already been warned off even thinking about going to Africa.
Regards to all,
Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 14:29:03 (UTC)
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Hi Linda H
I always remember a face and often names escape me, however on this occasion it was different ... no, the BCal office was a couple of doors from Turnbull Gibson and next door to this was a small doctor's surgery, then the alleyway to the public loo's (and a through way to Kingston's and the Square)and across from the alleyway was Apeco who sold duplicating machines etc then Grindlays Bank I think on the corner.
Alas I don't recall the little mushroom seller altho he must have popped into all the offices anyway.
When I was in Kitwe last year after such a long interval an awful lot was familiar and a lot had greatly changed. I was then cross with myself for having left it so long before I went back for a visit.
Stay well
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 14:16:18 (UTC)
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Johnny
Serenje is about 200 kilometres (about 125 miles) north of Mkushi (I have tried to scan a map for you but it is too detailed and therefore too big for the message board). I also didn't know about the falls until we went there. They are on a private farm which, I understand, used to belong to the Moffats (Robert (?) Moffat was the father-in-law of David Livingstone and was a missionary at Pandamatenga and it is the same family). The farm now belongs to some other missionaries.
Yes, George is the one who used to fly into Balovale (he told me plenty of stories about those trips). I have lost contact with him - the address I have is about 14 years old, but would also like to contact him again. I shall send you his address and maybe you can try to trace him from your side - easier than me trying to do it from here. and I'll ask around as well.
Elias
You were talking about Freemasons the other day. I have just been given a book called 'History of English Freemasonry in Zambia' published in 1970. It's as boring as hell, but gives all the information on the establishment of the lodges in Zambia (Luangwa Lodge in Broken Hill was the first in 1925). What is interesting is the names of the people involved and seeing how they fit into the picture of the community as it was in those days - the same names keep cropping up as I do more research, but this book also gives a lot of new names.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 11:35:57 (UTC)
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banbury bash
as the venue is at banbury golf club,it would be silly not to use the facility.anybody interested in playing on the sat or friday.if you are keen i will organise some tee of times.
Rod Crowe — Click here to contact me
Staines, United Kingdom
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 09:25:29 (UTC)
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Bash payment confirmations.
Rod Crowe - confirm receipt of payments for Sue McKellar, Shaun Frankham & yourself.
Rick Rosewarne - confirm receipt of payment for Sparky Wallace.
Thank you all!!!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 08:21:56 (UTC)
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Heather great pics you are a star, amazing but I had never heard of those falls, and I canot believe it but I can't remember where Serenje was I think they call it atrophe of the brain,regarding the pilot George Grebesz is he contactable? I think he is the one who used to fly into Balovale once or twice a week and we became good buddies, would like to think he was on the net does any one know?, Regards And hope to see you soon Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, August 22, 2002 at 05:37:35 (UTC)
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Heather
Thanks once again for the incredible photos you have posted for us to enjoy. I have come to realize that I missed seeing so much of this beautiful country when I lived there. We did a lot of camping and fishing, but it seems we must have concentrated in the same areas all the time. I feel like I am discovering Zambia all over again through the lens of your camera. Thanks for all that you do for the site and for our memories. You are a super star!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 16:43:44 (UTC)
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Northerners
Another set of photos from my trip up north:
Mulombwa Falls, just north of Serenje
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 15:19:31 (UTC)
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OUTSTANDING BANBURY BASH PAYMENTS!
Those of u whom have paid - I thank you. To those attendees whom as of toady Wed 21 August, whom have not paid, please would U all ensure that your payments are posted to me no later than 30 August. I will also be sending U all personal reminders in the next 48 hours!!!!! If I don't have all the funds together I will have to dig into my own personal funds to pay suppliers! Your prompt assistance here would be appreciated! Thanks.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 15:04:46 (UTC)
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Hi Kris
Yes, your name has been familiar to me too, but could not place you. I think it gets to where we all think everyone's name is familiar after a while. Did you work in the building above Radio Limited in Kitwe? If so, do you remember the Zambian kid who came around selling mushrooms all the time? His name was Maxwell, and I was fascinated with his entrepreneurial skills. He should have been in school at his age, and he was so bright and talented. He had a lot of potential and I have often wondered how he ended up. Will give your regards to the Hintons.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 12:30:45 (UTC)
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Linda Hayes
Well, I do believe I know you and I apologise for being so slow! As soon as I saw your mention of Shirley & Terry Hinton and Turnbull Gibson it jogged my faded memory!! I worked for British Caledonian Airways in reservations from '76 until I left in '81 (I transferred with BCal to the UK and worked until '86 when they were taken over by BA).
Have a great reunion with them and please pass on my regards.
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 10:08:18 (UTC)
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Elias
Correction - it was Andy MacMahon
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 08:29:37 (UTC)
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Elias
Yes, that was the Lindsay that I was referring to and yes, I do know the Youngs.
Carol was living here until about two months ago and she is now in the UK, but I am not sure where. I have already told Keith this and will be getting her contact details sometime next week.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 08:15:13 (UTC)
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Keith Johnston/Heather Chalcraft
Heather I am sure you know Lindsay Pierce, he married Caroline Young(The one with the terrible temper). Caroline is Johnny and Lucy Young's sister, cousins of Ronnie Goveia. Lucy married John Meyer.
Keith, I cant remember what happened to the Brackenborough sisters. The last time I saw Carol she had been shot in the arm when Mike MacMahon went through a roadblock on the Kabwe road. I think her arm has been paralysed since. Linda taught at Mrs Punnett's nursery school in Roma. She stayed just behind us and married John ??????, a little chap from Birmingham.
Elias
Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 08:00:41 (UTC)
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Keith Johnston
Welcome to the GNR and we look forward to lots of postings from you.
There is a Lindsey Pearce here in Lusaka and I think he used to be in Ndola. Email me with more info to confirm that he is the same person and I'll get his email address for you.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 05:48:04 (UTC)
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Brasso
Terry and Shirley Hinton are long time friends of mine. I contacted them by email this weekend to urge them to come. Terry was Managing Director and my boss at TG Travel in Kitwe and Shirley was the Manager downstairs in the travel office. Sandra Marsh and I worked together there, and it was the best job I have ever had. Cannot wait to see them again!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 02:29:45 (UTC)
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Shirley & Terry Hinton.
Thanks for your e. mail. Confirm having added U both to the Banbury Bash attendee list - look forward to meeting U both. Please can U advise where in Zambia/N rhodesia U came from & Shirley your maiden name please too.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 21:50:44 (UTC)
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To anyone trying to reach me by email
It looks like I am having email problems, so if something bounces back to you, please keep trying. I have not changed my email address. It just keeps terminating unexpectedly, or won't work at all. Grrrr... (Sounds like my hubby after too many chibukus. Oops.. Ha! Ha!)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 21:12:49 (UTC)
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EX Zambian, Born Ndola 1960;
went to Kansenji Primary School:- remember,teacher - Mrs Jelly(Cape Town) and 1 of the principals Mr. Fearby (spelling?). Left Zambia 1976.
Will be returning to Ndola, to stay in September would be nice to hear from very old friends and from people who might have known my parents; Maureen and Clifford. Were very involved in the swimming club.
Am also trying to find the whereabouts of Michelle Blyth. As far as I know she went to school in Lochgelly(spelling?) in Scotland, they left Zambia in the late 70's and we lost contact in the early 80's. The last I heard she was living in Grahamstown S.A.
Also interested to know what happened to
Linda & Carol Brackenborough.
Karl & Julia Leicher(Namibia)
Linsey Pearce.
Caroline Richardson.(South Africa?)
Jill & Jean Tapper.(Cape Town)
Barbara Friend (Johannesburg)
To name a few.
Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 20:15:32 (UTC)
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Shamus Donohoe!
Thanks for your phone call. I confirm having added you to Bash attendee list and look forward to meeting U on Sept 21st.
Rick Rosewarne & Neils Billany - Ex Muf!
Thanks fellas. Confirm receipt of your cheques to cover food etc at Bash. See you on the nite!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 18:53:20 (UTC)
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Northerners
I haven't got as far as I would have liked with sorting these photos, so to keep you going here are a few of The Zambian bush
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 15:18:50 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft
U bring the Rivonia Green Chutney and we'll consume together - Mmmmmmmm. Shake Shake will do nicely however a tanker full of the other stuff would be nice too. Hee hee. oh what hangovers on the Sunday.
Bridget Billany & Rick Rosewarne.
Confirm receipt of your Bash payments and thank you! Am now just off to pay and collect the Windhoek beer!
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 14:15:31 (UTC)
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Taking a much needed break from sorting out photographs!
Marilyn Noall
Now can you persuade your friends to come and visit Zambia - it really is the Real Africa.
Brasso
Was just having a look at your Bash stats:
5 kg dry mealie meal? According to KK's government, 14 kg of mealie meal would feed one person for one month. If you extrapolate that, you need just over 17 kg to feed 110 people.
And please don't forget Rivonia Green Tomato Chutney which I am going to send - as good as Mrs Balls. And maybe even a container of Chibuku which is now marketed in tetrapacks and called Shake Shake. Or I could send it over like this:
Elias Georgopoullos
If Hornby Street is the one that you remember (it ran past E W Tarry,) it is now called Kalundwe Road until it reaches Lumumba Road, after which it is called Mumbwa Road.
George Grebesz was Zambia Airway's longest serving pilot. He started flying with them when they were still operating Beavers and was still working for them when they were put into liquidation in 1992/3. The last I heard he was living in Walton-on-Thames. When we meet, I will tell you some more stories about him - I can't post them on this message board.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 13:37:17 (UTC)
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Arthur Steevens:
You made my day again! Printed out the photo of my mum and I and mum laughed her head off. I think she must have said "Marilyn, you'll never marry a millionaire with a hair style like that!" As usual, she was right.
I've had a great half hour visiting the notice board after a break and loved all the Rhokana Review photos. Thank you again.
Heather Chalcroft:
You've done more for tourism than the Zambian Tourist Bureau. My work mates are constantly visiting the site under my name, mainly to look at your photos and also to have a giggle at the Rhokana Reviews. Looking forward to your next lot.
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 09:40:06 (UTC)
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Heather
Next time you must go unannounced and sneak up on them.
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Monday, August 19, 2002 at 16:57:58 (UTC)
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Arthur
I didn't even see any chameleons - first time ever on a trip up to the Northern Province. But I did take just over 2,000 other photos, so will start sorting them out tomorrow and hopefully get some balance back into this web site by tomorrow afternoon.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, August 19, 2002 at 16:39:09 (UTC)
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Graham (Scarscalp) & Debbie Nelson!
Confirm receipt of your payment for Banbury Bash & thank you. Look forward to seeing U all on the weekend and "expecially" our latest arrival the baby.
Rick Rosewarne - Ex Mufulira.
Thanks for your e. mail. Confirm having added you to attendee list for sat 21st September. Look forward to meeting you.
Roger Costopolous (Joburg) & Marianne Martin (UK)!
Have replied to your respective e. mails regarding attending the Banbury Bash. Have tentatively added U both to Bash attendee list. Roger are U planning to fly from S. Africa with your brother John & Sister-in-Law Kim?
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, August 19, 2002 at 15:36:05 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S !
To whomever supplied the article from the Roan Antelope magazine about the Italian engineers who worked on the Kariba project, thanks!
I can remember seeing newsreel at the Astra, Rhokana, and later on RTV about these courageous, colourful men who were so integral in the building of our greatest national technological achievement!
Tot kijk...
DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM
(London)
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, August 19, 2002 at 10:29:23 (UTC)
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Tina regarding vivid imagination I dont think so.
Regards Johnny.
john green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, August 19, 2002 at 08:59:09 (UTC)
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Gary re. Wines:
Oooooh our happy tastebuds and our aching heads!!! (Vivid imagination).
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, August 19, 2002 at 04:53:01 (UTC)
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Ladies attending Banbury Bash!
Just to tease your taste buds below I list the selection of wines U will have available:
We have Tollana Chardonnay (Aus - white); Lindermans Cawarra Chardonnay (Aus), Cante Rosso, Cante Bianco (Italy), Grenoche Rose (Californian); Corsican Chardonnay, Cape View Shiraz (SA); Kumala Colombard Chardonnay (SA), Kumala Cabarnet Sauvignon (SA); S African Swartland Red and S African Chenin Blanc (white). That a good enough selection for u all?
Bash Gents!
U will have a choice of Castle or Lion (yesssss I finally got 240 bottles of Lion) to consume. However, if funds aloow I may also procure some Windhoek too.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, August 18, 2002 at 22:03:38 (UTC)
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Paudie & Brian
U two guys have good business trips. Talk to U both on your return to UK in September. Paudie will forward any requests to John in Durban.
New Bash attendance confirmations!
Thanks for your phone calls today folks! Confim having added U all to the Bash attendee list:
Steve Ritchie - Ex Mufulira;
Elaine Noall - Ex Kitwe;< |
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