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Hello Mr. Silk
Please don't swap stories about me with anyone. Besides, I think I've told them all already. He! He! Just winding you up. Great to see you on the board and hope to see you at the reunion in Zambia next year? By the way, Samsoni, Johnny Green found your locks that Delightful chopped off in 1975, and has made a fabulous wig out of them. I tried to buy it from him at the Banbury Bash, but no dice. It's a good job you have come on board after my Beauteous days or you would have been a prime target, for sure.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 22:07:04 (UTC)

Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com

Added selected items from Zambia Magazine January 1965 - see Brian Barratt's section.

Well done to all those involved in acquiring the Northern Rhodesia Journals - they are rarer than hen's teeth and I'm as jealous as hell!

Regards Ian

Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 21:36:40 (UTC)

Howsit Howie!

So great that you are now on GNR! Seems like we all missed a great reunion - but I hear you guys often get together in Natal. I am meeting Greg and Wendy in a few days time in Richards Bay, can't wait, haven't seen them for quite a while.

Last time I saw you was in Salisbury - what have you been up to since then?

Heather - great to get the dates - you can count on Otto and I being there - I am now off to start recruiting folks for the Zambian Bash in the homeland! Will contact you by email with numbers.

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 21:16:51 (UTC)

Hello out there. I've just logged on for the first time and wonder what happens now. I'd like to make contact with people I knew and swap stories.

Howard

Howard Silk — Click here to contact me
Durban, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 20:42:47 (UTC)

Sue Tucker,
come out, come out where ever you are. No more lurking allowed.
Scarscalp,
Ag Man I need more WINDHOEK!!!!!!
cheersnrunoutofbeer

Mark
PS
I like the idea of the brown suit.

Mark Powell — Click here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 20:24:39 (UTC)

Guy
It was terrific meeting you again after so many years. And don't forget when you are coming to Hastings give us a bell.
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 10:53:09 (UTC)

Reunion in Zambia

When? 26th - 28th September 2003
Where? Livingstone

Please let me know (by email) if you are interested in attending as it is now less than a year away and I should be able to start negotiating prices, but need to have an idea of numbers.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 09:14:32 (UTC)

Chris Forde

Happy Birthday

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 06:05:14 (UTC)

Arthur/Elias

Don't worry about the NR Journals. I have been in touch with Paul and am transferring the money to him as soon as he gives me bank account details and when he gets back from Cyprus at the end of October, he will be sending them to Arthur.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 30, 2002 at 05:37:12 (UTC)

Gary et al (The rest who helped with the Banbury Extravaganca.
I have not sent my thanks up until now as I have been wallowing in a period of reflection and nostalgia. Meeting so many people whom I knew even if we were never bossom buddies took me back for the first time in 26 years to a life I could never again have. What a place the Copperbelt was and obviously the best of all was Nkana/Kitwe.
Where else would I have been that privaleged to get a fantastic education (thanks to Tom Potter and all the staff at FKS)a terric grounding in commerce ( you had to learn about everthing because there were so few of us and the buck really did stop at me)a fantastic cultural experience (the theatre and opportunity to appear on TV before it was Zambianised as well as 3 night clubs, Pigale, St Trops and Blue Room were the jazz was terrific. Then there were always the cultural exchanges Louis Armstrong, the Thundering heard, the Coon Carnival on the Rugby field, Cape Town Ballet and many visiting world famous musicians at the theatre)and finally the sport ( Newcastle United, Motherwell in soccer and All Blacks, the Lions and the Wallabies at rugby) Last but not least the SOCIAL LIFE and friendships. What a life and what a country.
Thank you all, Marriane, Ada, Chris, Blackie, Chris Forde and his good wife plus a host of other memory providers. My life will not be complete until I can see the Slag heap and smell the fumes from the smelter again.
Bless you all piss cats one and all.
Guy Hobbs

Guy Hobbs — Click here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 21:57:26 (UTC)

Hi, I have been successful in making contact with Thalia Macras and Marilyn Shooter from ex Kitwe. I am still keen to find Elizabeth Paterson (nee Van Schalkwyk) Does anyone know her whereabouts? My brothers names are Douglas and Jimmy Steyn - is there anyone interested in contacting them?

Maureen Harrison (née Steyn) — Click here to contact me
Cape Town, Cape Province, South Africa
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 21:24:32 (UTC)

Elias

Thanks for the head up.

I have e-mailed you about this

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 21:08:56 (UTC)

Arthur Steevens
Arthur I know you are interested in old NR Journals. Would this interest you? It was published in this months Zambia Society Trust Newsletter.
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A collection of Northern Rhodesian Journals has been passed on to Trust Member Paul Hoar by his old friend and fellow member Andrew Green who was with Ellis & Co. when they were both in Ndola.
Andrew's parents lived in Kanona near Mkushi and at one time ran the Kanona Hotel. It includes several complete sets and a variety of individual volumes.
Paul has been asked to sell them with a proportion of the proceeds to benefit the Trust.
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if its not too late, I have the phone, fax, email addresses. I meant to give it to you at Banbury but was overtaken or rather overcome by events.
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 20:28:28 (UTC)

Luvley Tina M.

Hi darlin. I saw your message about the Banbury House Hotel. I have already sent Anna, Claire etc. an e. mail thanking them for their kind and generous assistance and the warm hospitable welcome that they gave all U guests and us non-guests. They really were superb.

Thanks to all for the "birthday messages" that have been flooding my e. mail. Mebbe just mebbe I can celebrate my 50th next September back in the old country Zambia!

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 19:58:38 (UTC)

Ada what is this older women spiel you are only a baby.
Johnny.x

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 19:26:17 (UTC)

Johnny et al from Banbury House Hotel

The email address is sales@banburyhouse.co.uk. The reservations manager is Claire, although she ran off to Portugal before we arrived. The beautiful blonde lady who was there for most of the time we were there was called Melanie. Come on folks, let's give them a big thank you.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 19:20:11 (UTC)

Lusaka Convent - Susan Anthony also numbered in names below (sorry mind's going). Post piccies. Please email me.

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 19:06:59 (UTC)

Ada

Must admit I was thinking only that the Musos may already be on disc or tape where it might be easy and even profitable for them to share what they have done with us.

Though with your thinking maybe you should start a new career as a Promoter, Manager and Agent??? I bet you'd be great.

Love,

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 18:03:28 (UTC)

Tina,
That will be wonderful, thank you so much. Why not market the tapes and what a good idea to try and get the rest of the entertainment to do tapes or discs. I am sure loads of us would love to own them.
As for Johnny! The picture conjured up in my mind of him as Sonny, well!!!! He is very possessive (Aren't you Johnny?) I'd keep an eye on him if I was you Tina!!!
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 17:31:20 (UTC)

Ada

Johnny needs to see the bigger picture. What we need is him in his black wig and mustache and Thelma with her shiny black hair and swishy trousers belting out "I got you Babe". Our own Sonny and Cher. Cor (you little cutie) you can just keep the sjambok handy in case "Sonny" tries to make off with "Cher".

CALLING BASH MUSOS - Costopoulos Family, Thelma, Brian Geyser, Mike, Paudie. We know you have busy lives, specially Brian G. long moved on to a different business. No one wants to cause you any hassle but are you on CD or recorded anywhere? We ADORED your music and definitely would like to buy it if it is easily available anywhere.

Ada I will figure out how to send you Love Potion. Should anyone else be interested please email me privately through the GNR.

I called the hotel. Little Innocent is quite safe and on her way to Fifi LaGayther's.

STORIES - Lovely word pictures of mica sand on a child's skin. The raft adrift would make a good full story. Driving test .. who else had forgotten reversing through those drums? It's often the nature of the GNR not to acknowledge individual postings so no one let that discourage you. Stories are savored and remembered and referred to again months later in another post.

Lusaka Convent girls - I'm using maiden names, Dawn Griffin, Charbonniers, Liz Starley, let's post pictures of classmates - specially group ones. People may see the face and know where they are.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 16:45:58 (UTC)

Oh Johnny, oh Johnny
You seem to be a bit stressed!!!! Now we can all share Tina, surely. I won't steal your friends, honestly!!!! And why am I not invited as well? Oh - maybe it is the OLDER woman thing that frightens you!!!! Mind you on second thoughts maybe I don't really want to be there!!! We'll leave the decision to Tina - I am sure she will make the right one!
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 14:52:22 (UTC)

Tracey

Not sure if this will help - a photo from the Broken Hill Brochure 1957 (courtesy of Ada and Chris Cantrell) which I know is a little before your time.

"For picnics and fishing, the diversion dam on the Lunsemfwa River is ideal".

Photo: Federal Information Dept

If you e-mail me your snail mail address I will put a CD in the post which has the whole 1957 Broken Hill magazine on it.

I have seen several large write up's on Broken Hill (Kabwe) in the Rhokana Reviews I'm currently working on and they also include the Mita Hills - hopefully I will be able to get some of these write ups onto the GNR soon.

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 13:33:21 (UTC)

Thank you Jack

I know it wasnt Mulungushi (I was adrift on a raft there once with my brother and a few friends! our parents were frantic and had to rescue us!), however, Mita Hills is ringing a bell. I would appreciate it if you could ask your friend to verify for me.

It was such a lovely place and I loved rubbing the sand on my skin and seeing it glitter. Along with fireflies swarming at 15 Mile Drift, its one of the best memories from my childhood.

Thanks again

Tracey

Tracey Donovan — Click here to contact me
Wales
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 11:38:54 (UTC)

Ada you have no chance of a visit she has allready booked in with me for 3 months we are going to work on another love potion together called (Now You Can Shoot Me) which will have to have regular tests made on it, maybe nightly so as you see Ted is not going to allow her to be away for more than 3 months so maybe next year for you, I know you will understand Love Johnny,

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 10:08:39 (UTC)

Linda stick the Banbury house Em address on here then we can send them the thank you message, Johnny.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 09:52:32 (UTC)

Hi Tina

How about putting Love Potion No.9 on a disc and we can all buy it from you? It is a fantastic song, sung by a fantastic lady. I would love to own it to sing along with (poor neighbours) and to know the singer would be an added bonus.

Chris and I look forward to a visit from you in the not too distant future. Anytime you need somewhere to stay in this country let us know.

Love

Ada and Chris

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 09:17:46 (UTC)

For Tracey Donovan,

Des Valley!
I cant be sure though I can check with Dave Murdoch who still lives in Kabwe. Sounds as though it ought to be at Mita Hills dam which was looked after for the BH Mine by Des Hunt for many years.

Alternative is Mulungushi dam, the other Mine power station dam (Des also worked there). Both had their share of crocs although the threat of bilharzia also kept many from bathing. Did not stop folk sailing and water skiing at the sailing club though. I'd guess Des valley would be the gorge leading from one of the dams to the power station.

If you dont get a better answer I'll check with Dave.

Jack Wardell

Jack Wardell — Click here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 08:55:12 (UTC)

Doug Waybush,
That sounds like a well balanced chap, with a chip on both shoulders!

Cheers Doug

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 08:16:30 (UTC)

Dave Cooper - below from Rodney Dangerfield who I'm sure you laughed at in the US :

"I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. "

Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
London and Univ Maryland USA, England
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 01:26:09 (UTC)

Banbury House Hotel Guests
I think it would be nice of us to send some emails to the hotel, thanking them for keeping the bar open for us and for the great service we got. What do you think? I have the email address and the name of the person who was on duty while we were there. No word from them, though, on the infant I left in the cupboard in my room. ha ha

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 00:49:43 (UTC)

Linda Hayes,

As I don't even know what HTML - or whatever it is called is - it's abit difficult for me to master it. But it looks to me that if you actually do know what it means you can shout at us mere mortals in 'comic sans' - complete with colour et al - and also do BOLD writing. Myself, being very shy, I prefer to whisper!!

Go quietly amidst the noise - as someone once said!

If only they knew!

Jilly

Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 22:37:11 (UTC)

Hi Wilma
Sorry no email has winged it's way to me from you. Most probably still somewhere in the clouds. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thanks for trying. Please keep trying.
Love
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 20:22:59 (UTC)

Hi

Glad to hear your Banbury Bash went well. Wish I couldve been there but unavoidable business stopped me.

Can anyone tell me if they know of 'Des or Dez Valley?' I remember going there, it cant be that far away from kabwe. There was a large lake there (unsuitable for bathing due to a large croc!, and sand that was 'glittery' due to the high content of quartz in it.

Anyone have a clue?

Thanks

Tracey

Tracey Donovan — Click here to contact me
Wales
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 19:49:05 (UTC)

Quite a feat, don't you agree? You have to be reallllllly bright to be able to do that amount of html. Oh, Lord it's hard to be humble.. he he

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 19:25:07 (UTC)

InTEXASwhere EVERYTHING isBIGGER,I do believe I am the reigningHTML QUEEN

And if I screwed up on this, I shall slink away... he! he!

Suffering withdrawal symptoms big time today. Where is my bacardi and coke, Blackie, Kevin, Barry Woodrow, Bwana Grins???

A word on the password difficulty. I changed mine to such a simple one that even I can remember it. UH!It is a cinch to do on the Names Directory. Try it.

Dawie, where did you disappear to after the Bash?

I'm hesitant to push the button now, in case I have shot my mouth off about html and screwed up and embarrassed myself.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 19:22:40 (UTC)

Dear All
Well it is Saturday, and I for one have had a very easy day.
I would just like to ask Ada if she received my email.
I would also like to wish Gary a belated Happy Birthday.
It is hard to believe that at this time last week we were just starting to party.
I shall end now and wish you all a happy weekend and hope to here from you soon Ada. I am not sure whether my email here is working properly or not.
Bye for now Love Wilma

Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 16:55:52 (UTC)

TEST DRIVE ......

I parked the blue volkswagen bettle, opened the door and stepped slowly onto the dusty parking lot of the driver examining centre in Lusaka and started walking dejectedly towards the office.

What was to be my right of passage, my intiation into manhood, my freedom, moments earlier eluded me when Bill Simmons one of the local transportation inspectors coldly said " well young Miller, I would suggest that you re-book another test for next week". My world was shattered.

Insult to injury was added to my life and my battered ego was further crunched when Bill halted me in my long slow march towards the office, and suggested that I observe a large eighteen wheeler truck and trailer unit
reverse between two rows of forty five gallon drums.

Slowly the giant truck with it's engine purring like a lion basking in the veldt under a blazing African sun, with it's exhaust spewing smoke (the truck not the lion) filled the air with the smell of diesel,approached from the right, gently glided between the barrels, only to repeat the flawless movement moments later from the left side. What a humiliating sight to witness, there was no justice, a mere five minutes earlier in my trusted blue volkswagen,I had attempted the same intricate maneuver only to hear a sickening dull metallic thunk as my left rear bumper hit and toppled one of the drums. My reason for living was crushed.

A week that felt like an eternity passed, again I meet with my nemisis Bill Simmons, this time it was like threading a neddle and the offending barrels remaind standing.

January 31,1964 was my independence day when I proudly received Driving Licence No.26346 issued to me under The Roads and Road Traffic Ordinance Regulation 5 of the Northern Rhodesia Government. I had passed the test drive into manhood.

Kenneth (Ken) Miller — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 13:37:17 (UTC)

N O R T H E R N E R S !

If you have not been successful in seeing the map of Kitwe on your computer, please email me with a description of the problem you are having.

I will be available for support from now until Monday. After Monday, I will not be able to return the email for approximately a fortnight.

But if you submit your problem, I will store the emails and address each in the order it was received.

This is NOT a recording.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 12:17:40 (UTC)

N O R T H E R N E R S!

I finally have a new super duper computer up and running from my apartment on the Singel gracht in Amsterdam! Only two days from when I leave Amsterdam to begin a working sojourn of some 12 to 24 months across the North Sea at Derby on that island off the Dutch coast.

But I will be crossing the North Sea as frequently as an Saxon raider in the 5th century, so I reckon it was worth the horrendous effort. It took over three weeks to buy and setup up a graphics-powerful computer here in Nederland that can handle programmes like AutoCAD, 3dsmax, and Autodesk VIZ.

But it is worth it. I am now using an iiyama flatscreen, wireless mouse and keyboard, and a sexy looking CPU with a blue plexiglass door over the entire front of the tower. The most important thing is that I have finally ELIMINATED beige from my home. There are NO beige components in this system: everything is metallic! Hurrah!

I have zero tolerance for beige.

Anyway, I just wanted to leak a few things out about the results of the survey. This will probably get me into huge trouble with the management of the GNR. But, you know it might help a bit, I hope the Big Three understand!

1. Some members complained about the constant nattering about the Banbury Event. Well, my comment about that is that if you had been to Banbury you would have understood why we nattered on so much about it. We knew it would be good, and it was not good, it was UNBELIEVABLY FANTASTIC. But if you want to curtail the nattering about Banbury or any specific topic that is current, then add your voice and a new topic... I do that all the time. Try and spin off another topic. If you are silent and you lurk, you make no impact. So this is a call to the lurkers as well.

2. Some members complained about an "in-crowd" dominating the conversations on the Message Board. Well, my comment to that is that, I certainly don't regard myself as part of any "in-crowd", and if there was one, I am certain that they would NOT have me as a member. Even as the founder, I suspect I am one of the least liked people on the GNR. This is understood given my personality. However, all you have to do is, to participate and contribute, being a member of any "in-crowd" certainly does not stop you from contributing.

3. Many of you have difficulty with the password control. This is understood. But Craig has made comments about how he is going to address this problem. But in the meantime, there really is no problem with this at all. If I can manage it, then any Wood Stump could handle it. I promise. I merely enter my given password and have the OS of my local computer remember it. If I have requested the password elsewhere, it is because that local computer was not the one that remembered it. This is not rocket science, please believe me. However, something better is on its way. That is my understanding.

So, take charge with the Great North Road yourself. Contribute and engage. Don't lurk. Lurking implies shyness. Northern Rhodesians are not known for their shyness!

If you can't see the Kitwe map, it is because you do not have the WHIP! Plug-in. Follow the instructions to download it. Understand that these plug-ins are Windows-specific, so non-Windows computers (like ibooks, imacs, and Unix OS run systems) may not be able to use the Windows Plug-ins, so you will not see the Kitwe map, which requires a Windows Plug-in.

Anyway, I hope this all helps. I will be back online with a computer in England in the next few weeks. But this is the first message I am posting to the GNR from my apartment on the Singel in Amsterdam.

Tot ziens...

Groeten...

DAVE COOPER
(aka Dawie van der Bliksem)
Founder of the Great North Road web suite

Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 11:12:04 (UTC)

To Barbara McLoughlin

Hi there, sorry for the delay in replying, been away 'bashing'.

We do not know Barry Bird, however we shall make enquiries and if fruitful will contact you, helpful if you knew which company he worked for.l

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 10:19:51 (UTC)

Tina,

Thanks for that. I'll try and sing it sometime. :)

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 09:17:54 (UTC)

Ag sies man! I'm going to bed, now that you two have given me a headache. I'll fix it in the morning.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 09:17:15 (UTC)

THIS HMTL IS FUN WHEN YOU ARE LEARNING..... Heather and Fiona you have both given me the incentive to try again......Heather, I love your interpretation of what postings look like under the microscope....what power were you using, ......
Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 08:57:10 (UTC)

GARY

HAPPY BIRTHDAY and Many, many more.

Chris and I wish you all the best and hope that you have a great one. No doubt your family will see that you do have a fantastic day. Wish we could be there to help you celebrate.

Lots of love

Ada and Chris

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 07:57:35 (UTC)

Perhaps one day I'll learn how to do this HTML properly without screwing it up.

Craig - I'm begging again

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 07:54:35 (UTC)

Susan Karalis

Happy Birthday

Ralph Fuller

Happy Birthday for tomorrow
(sorry, but I'm trying to avoid a trip into town tomorrow)

Brasso
I came into town specially this morning to wish you happy birthday, but everyone else has also remembered.

Hope its a happy one.

Charlie
I'm only teasing. I know you're busy. But I just wanted to let you know that I'll do my very best to be there when it happens.

Elias
Which would you prefer - chicken or walnut whipper?

Diane Sewley
Now I know you received a little parcel yesterday. Please don't spend too much time with the contents of it, otherwise I shall have to remind you of my threat.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 07:52:40 (UTC)

snikker! Well it did sort of!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 06:51:21 (UTC)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GARY!!

I hope you are enjoying a well deserved rest and that you enjoy some of the left over Kumala. I'll ring you later on.

Please let this HTML work (sorry if it hasn't Craig)

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 06:50:11 (UTC)

Elias - Why did the chicken cross the border? To get to the Banbury Braai. (Heather note spelling of word following Banbury). Except Elias is right - he has proved he is NOT a chicken and it was LOVELY to see him there.

Craig - Since you mentioned her name tags, Linda did a great job on the name tags - remarkably time-consuming getting a great design and checking spellings etc. etc. for 160 folks.

Craig reminds me of something else. Here are the words to the Jaarpie Version of Love Potion Number Nine. I wrote it for you lot on the GNR. Whistle it on your way to work. Sing it in the shower until your spouse throws a sponge at you (as mine does). Change the words to work for you. Have fun. Note: author denies any responsibility for crashes or marital breakups etc. during the singing of this song. I also reserve the right to write in phonetic Afrikaans where necessary.

Love Potion Number Nine (Jaarpie Version)

I took my troubles down to madam Ruth
That Jaarpie lady with the gold capped tooth
She works outside Luanshya not too far from the mine
Selling little bottles of Love Potion Number Nine.
I told her that my love life was no go
I couldn’t snag a really lekker oke.
She took a tickey from me and made a magic sign
Said: “Ja what you need is love potion number 9”.

She bent down turned around and said: "jurrah jong
I found this out one day when my melktert went wrong
Put it on an orange scafie and don’t wait too long."
I held my nose I closed my eyes - Jussss it was strong!
I didn’t know if it was day or night
I started smooching everything in sight
When I kissed Lusaka Convent nuns
They said it was a crime.
They broke my little bottle of
Love potion number nine.

(This is sung over the guitar solo after the first four notes ie ..Dee-dum
Dee-dum...)
I smooched a fishing team
Nkana-Kitwe Rugby Club - That scrum was just a dream
Young Farmers, swimming, cricket, soccer, game guards in the scrub
And all the men and horses in Lusaka Polo Club (How POSH!)

I didn’t know if it was day or night
I started smooching everything in sight
When I kissed Lusaka Convent nuns
They said it was a crime.
They broke my little bottle of
Love potion number nine.
Love potion number nine.
Love potion number nine.
Love potion number nine.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 04:32:07 (UTC)

NIT PICKERS ANONYMOUS
Carl Weinands spiel on Changa-Changa, third paragraph, should read 100 miles East of present day Broken Hill not West. The proof readers are spending too much time looking up walnut trees.
Regards Gordon

Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 01:03:30 (UTC)

Fiona,

Oh, I don't remember anything specific that Diane did (not to be confused with Craig Forbes' friend). Just that she had trouble standing up when were back at the Banbury House Hotel after we left the golf club. :)

Craig the Rough

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 23:11:57 (UTC)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO A GREAT GUY. WE LOVE YOU, BRASSO!!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:44:58 (UTC)

IAN FORBES

YES ANOTHER BIRTHDAY. Happy birthday for the 29th mate. Lets get together for another braai at my place on Sunday. Call me.

Poor Fiona Gayther!

POORLEY WITH ANOTHER COLD. I too have been in bed with flu for last 2 days. U keep warm and drink plenty ............ Kumala wine, Lion, Castle or Windhoek! Hee hee

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:37:40 (UTC)

Arthur and Heather
I think I can relinquish the title of GNR chicken now, and pass it on to say Billy Laing or Jill Aplin or any other deserving non-attendee.
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:35:37 (UTC)

CRAIG

I need to know what it was Diane was getting up to. She keeps asking me and I can't remember!

TO THE B....D WHO GAVE ME A COLD

Thank you, I have spent the whole week feeling ill, but I expect I will recover.... sniff!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:26:40 (UTC)

Hi all - glad to see that everybody had such a good time in Banbury.

Craig, had I actually managed to get there - the plan was to show up on a white horse with rings on my fingers and bells on my toes - so I guess you'd have noticed me! But alas, I never made it - much to my chagrin - it looks like you all had such a wonderful time. But I was there in spirit (the brandy).

Now, who's going to come to the Zambian Bash??? See you there! I can't wait for next year - any dates yet, Heather?

So great to see that you had so much fun - and thanks to gary and family for bringing it all together - HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GARY!!

Love,

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 22:14:01 (UTC)

Elias I don't know this chap although the name seems familiar I dont think he is a registered member of GNR as he sent me an Email asking where he could read the John Maxwell story but I think he does come from the states he says he has a friend called Bruce Who I have seen his name on the register you may get some info off him I tried to reply to him as you see on the board but it was rejected and that address was off a reply of his EM so I dont know what is going on he has not cme back to me again Cheers Johnny.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 21:14:35 (UTC)

I don't know where to start with some comments about Banbury, and I'm afraid that if I start I won't finish. (I know you're afraid of that too, which is why I never took the microphone on Saturday night.)

The obvious place to start is with thanking the organisers. Gary, Tasha and Scott -- thank-you very much. Gary, you have a couple of great kids, and I wish the three of you all the best for what lies ahead. Thank-you also to all of those who worked in the background with almost no recognition -- people who made and/or cooked the salads and the sadza (which was actually the correct consistency this time) and the other goodies we had to eat, Linda who made the attractive name tags, people who set everything up before the rest of us showed up, and the people who cleaned up after us. You know who you are, so please give yourselves a pat on the back.

Thank-you to the musicians and entertainers -- we got a hell of a deal for £20. For the record, these ladies and gentlemen put on that excellent show at their own expense, including paying their own air fares and waiving their appearance fees. Thank-you very much again.

Thank-you also to the 158 or so people who showed up. Without you, of course, it would have been quite boring. I'm not even going to try and list all of the people I met over the weekend, some new and some again since Wallasey, but I enjoyed meeting everyone that I spoke to and only wish I had managed to meet all of you. The more of you I meet, the harder it is for me to get ticked off when you tell me your password doesn't work. :)

Finally, thanks to everyone who bought something in the auction, especially to someone willing to pay £50 for a single bottle of beer!

I can't resist making some comments based on Hartley's excellent photographs and some of my meetings.

Scarscalp (and Deb),

She won't consider it a compliment when she's older, but the resemblance to you is uncanny. Thanks for the Guinness.

Heather and Elias,

Please refrain from any more references to "whipping one's walnut tree" or the heavy-hand of management will be forced to pull out the black marker.

Elias,

You looked like a scared bunny rabbit all weekend after the invasion of your hotel room on Saturday morning. Ag shame man. I'm glad you showed up though -- I wasn't relishing the thought of a trip to Dundee to drag you to Banbury kicking and screaming. And thank-you for figuring out how to spell my name.

John Costopoulos,

Unfortunately I missed your Zambian magic show. Hopefully I'll get another chance to see it some day. I'll try not to be in the loo next time you call me on stage! What the hell were we doing with our hands up there on the stage? I was missing when it started, so may have missed the instructions.

Barry,

Glad you could make it after all. It was very interesting chatting with you.

Moira,

Congratulations on dragging me onto the dance floor... with only seven minutes to go before the music stopped. I almost made it! Now that we know what props you need for your famous, but elusive, party trick, you can count on it being available next time.

Paudie and Sue,

You make a great couple. So nice to see and so nice to meet you too. Paudie, thanks for a great job on the entertainment.

Brian Geyser,

Thank you to you too for all that you did for the evening. I'm sorry we only met briefly.

Craig Forbes and "friend" (was it Dianne?),

Seems you two enjoyed the evening. :)

Jacqui,

Sorry to hear about the cold. Glad you didn't give it to me! Nice to see you again.

Graham and Fiona,

Sounds like it's tough being an Aramco employee. Any job openings in the mail room? You were a lot of fun to meet -- hope we get another opportunity again soon.

Johnny,

I wish I had seen you wearing that wig in person. Thanks for the lighter and the photographs (and the laughs as always). Glad you managed to remember your new password and that (for once) I was not the reason someone was not able to log in.

Linda,

Mike can come to me for a reference that you were well-behaved. Sorry to hear that a migraine was the cause though. Nice to meet you after all the e-mail we have exchanged.

Jill Aplin,

Someone told me you were there. Were you? If I had known I would have gone looking for you. If you were there, sorry we missed each other.

Tina (the other Texas rose),

Sorry I didn't recognise you right away. Can't understand why. Thanks for the stories and the pictures. I seem to have been out of the tent during your performance, so I missed what everyone else is raving about. :( Your description of Linda is priceless. Your comment about me possibly identifies one of your responses on the survey. :)

Kevin,

Hope your leg/foot heals soon. It was a pleasure to meet you. Please keep Heather in line for us. Sounds like you were snoring as badly as the guy next to me on the flight over. Jislaike!

Diane,

After seeing you on Saturday night, it's no wonder you had a hangover on Sunday morning!

Heather,

Ag shame about not being able to get kippers occasionally. I haven't had those in ages.

Brasso,

Finally, happy birthday for the 28th.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 21:13:32 (UTC)

Alix Yes Squashing.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 21:00:05 (UTC)

JOHNNY GREEN
Johnny, you mentioned Ken Fernie a few messages down. Is that the same Ken married to Rina Fernie? They live in California now.
Elias.
punishment exercise completed below:-
Craig HartnetT
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Craig HartnetT
Craig HartnetT

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 21:00:01 (UTC)

Johnny.....
I think it might be the reason why the animals are slowly taking over......

Charlie....
There must be a reason to why they are here....does anyone know to what use Mozzies are good for ????

Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 19:40:06 (UTC)

Gary the Birthday Boy

Mmmf, mmmf, mmmf! That's three big birthday smooches for you from me. Have a lovely Birthday. And unngh, unngh, those are two big hugs for Natasha and Scott.

Love,

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 19:23:01 (UTC)

Johnny Green,
Glad U survived the bash!
By the way - I'm extremely cross with Noah. Why didn't he squash those two mosquitoes (sp) when he had the chance?

Heather....
What can I say? When I get a chance? You'll be the first to know.

Regards
CJ

Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 18:41:17 (UTC)

Alix were you maybe in past life an usher for Noah on the Ark you have started doing things in two's love Johnny.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 17:46:04 (UTC)

Many happy returns Gary may you live forever and may I never die, your buddy Johnny, Love to Natasha and Scott.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 17:42:22 (UTC)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY .....GARY.....
hehe it is the 28th here so have a wonderful birthday, and hope you have many many more.....

much Love from Ali, Alice, Jade ,and Leah

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 17:11:52 (UTC)

Natasha/Scott

You were great on the 'day' enjoyed our chit chat/have a great day with Dad (Brasso) on his Birthday

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 16:35:26 (UTC)

Arthur

Thanks for the picture post, sorry so small, but could not remember how to do it (what can I say).

Diane

We look forward to having a Bristol/Wales Bash when we return, what a great idea / shall keep in contact via board and email / our return date should be end February 2003 / will be a great shock to the system, but as you said, great to be able to get-together for a good "bash" with good friends.

Ada

Yes we had a great time meeting up with you and Chris again, and as you said short but sweet, and must be longer next time an absolute must.

Fiona (number Two) (fifi)

Loved the pikkies 'lol' (lots of laughs) I was having a good time honest! Look forward to getting together with (ya'll)an absolute must, makes the thought of coming back to live in the UK a little easier knowing that we have made such nice friends.

Gary (Brasso)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAVE A GREAT DAY - LOVE AND HUGS XX

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 16:32:40 (UTC)

THE OLE MAN DOES NOT KNOW WE'RE DOING THIS (aka Brasso)!!!!!!!!!!

HAPPY 49TH BIRTHDAY DAD FOR TOMORROW THE 28TH! We love you and thanks for being a fantabbulistic Dad.

Love - Natasha & Scott

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 14:48:21 (UTC)

Arthur
Thank you very much that article from Chirupula Stephenson. I read each word with great interest. Thank you to Guy Hobbs for those Rhokana Reviews which we will all get a chance to see now.

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 12:25:56 (UTC)

I forgot to mention

Chirupula Stephenson refers to James Harrison CLARK - the article is reproduced as original, without correction to any of the typo's.

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 09:14:55 (UTC)

Northerners and the Wienand's in particular

Posted on the 26th June 2002 message board is an article from a March 1957 Rhokana Review - An Old-Timer Remembers - a story from Carl Wienand, a pioneer of Northern Rhodesia.

Having met Guy Hobbs at the Banbury Bash a few holes in the Rhokana Review collection have now been filled, thanks to Guy's generosity in loaning me two full volumes of these magazines.

Glancing through some of these over the last few days I found this in response to the original article in one of the magazines.

I think a few of you might be interested to see it yourselves.

Dave Cooper - take note of Chirupula's belief on the Egyptian influence in the area some three or four thousand years ago!

With thanks to my long suffering wife Trish - who patiently checked the scanned OCR's version against the original article, correcting the "corrected" spellings.

Arthur

'An Old Timer Remembers'

A few i's are dotted and t's crossed by Chirupula Stephenson

Shortly before he died, Mr. J. E. Chirupula Stephenson wrote to us in connection with the article 'An Old Timer Remembers' which was published in our March issue.

Chirupula Stephenson, one of our best known pioneers, came to Africa in 1896 from England and worked in Kimberley as a telgraphist, later moving to Bulawa, Blantyre and Fort Jameson.

His first trip to what is now the Copperbelt was made under instructions from Cecil Rhodes when he opened the first Government post at Ndola.

He eventually moved into the bush and built his own house, Chiwefe, which was later replaced by a two-storey home of stone, clay, cement, iron-wood and combed grass.

Living the life of a cultural hermit he continued his studies from books which he ordered in great numbers and, in spite of his 81 years, had a keen brain, a fine intellect and a wide knowledge of world affairs.

He spoke beautiful and precise English.

TO MR GERARD'S interesting article founded on dear Carl Wienand's reminiscences, I would fain dot a few i's and cross a few t's.

James Harrison dark (I hope I am right about the 'James'), the first Changa-Changa of the Christian era, in the year 1895, left Southern Rhodesia, crossed the Zambesi and, in the Luano valley, founded a kingdom.

Like Sir Harry Hamilton Johnston, he made treaties with 'Kings and Chiefs of Central Africa'. But not being accredited by the British Government, with the audacity, boldness, courage and daring of his 'B.C.' predecessor - the Egyptian pharaoh - Changa-Changa dispensed with formality contenting himself with 'Concessions' from Kasonkamona and Sitanda - 100 miles west of today's Broken Hill township.

His capital at the confluence of the Lukushashi and Lunsemfwa rivers, was surrounded by a wall of earth two feet thick, rammed into wickerwork supported by upright poles, of adequate density to stop poisoned arrows from his subjects' bows, or bullets from the chukunda or Portuguese passers-by.

His revenue tariff was simple: Import duty - one piece out of every bale: Export duty - every alternate tusk of ivory, or every other beast! In the first case, the toll would be about ten per cent; in the second - a mere 50 per cent.

Beyond making village-to-village roads, I do not know what his subjects paid, but I do know that the roads of four-foot width were a boon and a blessing to all who used them.

About my being a 'stronger man' than Changa-Changa, I ejaculate 'Carl Wienand, you flatterer!' The position was, J. H. C. was said to be an outlaw (possibly owing to confusion of ownership of loot cattle taken in the 1893 Matabele War), and whilst he had but a few rag-tailed servants armed with a few muzzle-loaders, I, the Boma official, had one six-shilling-a month and nine five-shilling-a-month askari in smart uniform, with fez, leather belt, 'Black Bess' Snider rifle and 15-inch bayonet. Moreover, I had a flag, the Union Jack, in the centre of which was a rampant lion seizing an ivory tusk sarcastically termed "Th' dog an' th' bone" by trader A. F. Miles alias Kafunda.

In the first paragraph, the native interpreter's explanation of 'Changa-Changa' is excellent, but my entymology links Changa with the huge granite dome shaped like a man's head and shoulder, Sancha, or as some natives say Sankha, with the rich copper mine Nchanga - with the pharaoh Sankha-Ra of dynasty XI or XIV, who, three or four thousand years ago sent an expedition to these parts.

'Cha' or 'Sa' is preserved in the Persian 'Shah': 'n' equals 'and': 'Ka' equals the 'double' or 'conscience': 'Ra' equals
'La' or Allah, or the 'Le' of Lesa. 'The-Rain-Lord' signifies 'the sun' otherwise 'God's Regent.' (Note: The names of the Irumi mountains and the IKa hills prove irrefutably an Egyptian influence in what was North Eastern Rhodesia.'Rumi' is the Coptic name of Ancient Egypt, and 'Ka' means 'double'.)

But, as I have told elsewhere, the Chartered Company could not tolerate competition, so Changa-Changa was 'squared' by two 3,000 acre farms, which strangely, so it seemed, he named Manasseh and Ephraim. Never for one moment did I imagine J. H. C. to be a 'Bible-thumper', but having referred to Genesis XLVI: 51-52, I chuckle over his Port Elizabeth sarcasm.

For the information of heathen and pagan, I quote the two verses: 51. 'And Joseph called the name of the first-born Manasseh: For God, said he, hath made me forget all my toil and all my father's house.
52. And the name of the second he called Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my'afflictions.'- and submit the first refers to outlawry and the second to monogamy, which (ahem) he scorned.

Regarding Kachololo, 'Bull hippo', or 'spurt' or 'unkempt . . . ' I first met him in Blantyre (1899) when he, sent a long cablegram to 'Joey' Chamberlain, protesting against his deportation by the Nyasaland government. But he protested in vain and was escorted to Chiromo, where he got into Portuguese territory, then hopped across the Shire river and, after a 300 mile tramp, popped up near Kota-Kota to shoot game for sweethearts and wives ....

Our next meeting was in the year 1901 somewhere north of Changa-Changa's Fort Algoa, where, to illustrate his story, he offered to shoot my tame baboon, which had played such an important part in our peaceful occupation in 1900. (See Chirupula's Tale).

He told how shortly before the 1896 Rebellion when he and a partner were working a gold claim somewhere outside Salisbury, a 'cheeky' native was about to club the partner, when, with lightning speed, Kachololo drew his revolver and shot the assailant stone dead.

In the Magistrate's court, the partner said there was no necessity to kill, so Kachololo was found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to six months' 'hard'. When securely 'inside' his partner sold the claims, pocketed the proceeds and left Rhodesia - which was just as well for personal safety, because K. swore to shoot him on sight, and to show how he would do it, offered to shoot my baboon, as related.

But fate, and prison regulations decreed otherwise. With other white prisoners, Kachololo had to sweep the streets of Salisbury town, under the surveillance of a white guard on horseback. Down the street in question cantered Colonel X on his well known white horse. From force of habit, the horse stopped at the door of a well known bar; the rider-dismounted-flung the reins over the hitching post, and went inside.

'I bet ya a chew o' baccy, ya darena' jump the' white horse an' skedaddle!' said a gaol companion: 'Taken!' rejoined K and when close to the horse, Kachololo darted from the gang, jumped on it's back and away . . . Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang went the guard's rifle, but strangely, since the guard, Swede George Ernest Magnus Lever was a marksman, Kachololo was not hit and only the 'Man in the Moon' was in danger. (As an aside, in North Eastern Rhodesia, Kasama district, it was the same Leyer who grabbed the Wembaregalia, without which no native king could be right royally installed. In this ceremony a throat had to be slit and, the blood slithering through a sable bull's horn, was required to fall on a suspended bell, thus proving the succession valid.)

Meanwhile, the white horse, knowing its way, made for near Mount Hampden, where its rider, honest man, put it in its stable.

Kachololo walked to Tete on the Zambesi river, and on to Blantyre. Thanks to Rhodes' African Trans-Continental Telegraph Com-pany, Ltd., Kachololo was arrested on a telegraph warrant.

But, as Blantyre was sadly lacking the hallmark of civilisation, a gaol, he was lodged in the bulk-store during the night, and escorted by two native askari during the day. These, however were not as assiduous in their duties as they should have been and twice they 'stacked' firearms whilst they went courting or drinking and, so that these precious weapons should not be stolen (remember this was about the time of the 1896 Rebellion's afterclap) Kachololo had to carry them back across the Mudi stream to town in which was his prison.

Reprimanded by their officer, the guards vented their spleen on Kachololo when he was safely under lock and key in the bulk-store. What they said and did to him is unprintable, and their behaviour was so atrocious that Kachololo, having discovered a keg of gunpowder, feigned illness one evening and shouted that he was dying. Along came the white police officer on duty, who immediately sent for the Collector to whom Kachololo unfolded his woeful tale of sorry treatment: unless the Collector gave his word of honour that he should have white man's food from the Wally Kieller's hotel, the lighted candle would be dropped into the open keg of gunpowder !!

Taken aback, the Collector gaped, took a quick breath, and made a smart decision, whereby Kachololo gained his point, suffered no more anoyances from the askari and hastened his FIRST deportation from Nyasaland.

How he joined the prospecting expedition consisting of eight whitemen under the leadership of Frank Smitheman, the first 'Bwana Makubwa', (F. E. F. Jones being the second and myself third) I do no know. But he was on the Iruma mountains at the head of the Chang'wena stream when Fort Elves was being built on the suggestion of Colonel Manning who was preparing to 'smash' the Angoni, (which was done according to plan, and Mpeseni's son shot at dawn in 1898).

He was there when the coastmen's emissaries from what is now Ndola township were given the 'Union Jack' which they were to flaunt at any Belgian intrepid enough to invade Rhodesia and, mark well, the date would be 1896 or 1897.

Kachololo's birth-name was, I think, Edward Spencer, but this can be ascertained from his book entitled Kachololo which tells his life story and Asian adventures up to his coming to Southern Rhodesia probably in 1895. He did not print his Rhodesian escapades, which is a pity, for fact is often stranger than fiction. I am not clear about the change of surname to Bloomfield, which was, with nearly all of today's black intelligensia not by deed poll. The title 'doctor' was obtained in one of the United States of America, where, after a brief examination and payment of five dollars or some small fee he was exalted!

He was a 'crack shot' and made a living by shooting elephants, sometimes in Portuguese territory, sometimes in Rhodesian, and as he was there before effective administration, he saw neither need nor necessity to pay for game licences.

His last amazing escapade was at Chutika's village on the Luangwa near the 1900 crossing to Ilala and the West.

The husband grew the finest cotton ever seen, beating Egyptian even! The wife, after a couple of lonely years in Britain, came out to Fort Jameson, and after a matter of weeks, presented her husband with a baby! The little mite lived but a few days, then died and the mother went to her sadly neglected husband. When Kachololo called the husband was out hunting ivory. She did the comforts of the house while Kachololo as a medico 'comforted' her. After some talk he asked her, 'Are you really Bessie Pumpkin ? (a fictitious name, of course). The lady simpered but did not answer. 'Would you like to be Bessie Bloomfield ?' and the lady fell into his arms.

Kachololo left a note for the husband (sic) and in a canoe, took his bride down to Beira, where Cecil Courtenay Shackleton, the official, legally married them, to live happily for years.

I say no more except to thank Carl Wienand for bringing up the names of these two heroes.

Chirupula Stephenson

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 08:59:46 (UTC)

AN ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE BIRTHDAY FAIRY (IF I COULD EVER BE CALLED A FAIRY):

I promise not to be so slack in the future.

Elizabeth Lawson, James Parker, Andy Dray

Happy Birthday

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 08:46:34 (UTC)

Hi David
Thank you very much for those pictures of Jan and Aub. It is so wonderful seeing them again. You have made an old girl very happy today!!!!! I am so longing to see them next year. The photos will keep me going.
Thanks
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 08:11:26 (UTC)

To Ken Fernie, I replied to your Query via reply on your EM see result below,

This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

dysart52@cox.net

Sorry.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 08:05:45 (UTC)

Northerners !

Congratulations to Aubrey Wienand - have a great 89th birthday on Saturday the 28th of September !!! May you have many more !

Aubrey and Jan Wienand celebrated their 63rd wedding anniversary earlier this year. They live in Ballito, KwaZulu Natal, with their daughter Marje Nel (GNR).

David Gray

Some more Banbury Bash pics.

Thanks go to Des Kenny, Johnny Green and Fiona Wall.

Please note these will be the FINAL photos posted from the Banbury Bash.

I am sending this photo on behalf of Peter Beckett

Hope it reaches you in good order.

Regards,

Michael Chandler

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 07:35:43 (UTC)

Steven and Margaret de Lange

Hi Popeye

It has been a looong time since we last met ! Good to make contact again after all these years. Thanks for responding to my request for info on the 'Maizie'. Most interesting information you have come up with. You mention two boats. The Rhokana Review April 1955 issue (page 30) describes a barge named 'Bean' - could that possibly be the second 'boat'? I know that a relation of the Coetzees (who lived on the corner of 4th Avenue and Club Street) was involved in bringing frozen bream in from Luapula - I wonder if that was part of the operation you mentioned ? I could do with a nice fresh small mouthed bream at the moment - it sets the taste buds tingling!!!! But then you have all that salmon in Canada.

Cheers

David Gray.

David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 07:22:13 (UTC)

Bash Attendees
Did any of you have photos taken with your camera of me and you together? I had planned to take 6 rolls of film but did not manage that and the majority of mine are actually of the band on Saturday. I would love to have memories of friends, old and new, and would appreciate it if you would be willing either to email me copies, or send me a copy by snail mail. Please let me know. Thanks!

PS: Bwana Grins, please do not post the one of me on the 18th hole. It will get us both into a lot of hot water!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 04:24:49 (UTC)

David Grey mentioned the boat the Maisie, Steven (Popeye) remembers the boat well and several years ago contacted Andy Sokolich and received this reply - Yes, Steve I remember there were two boats. The year was 1944. They were built at Nkana Mine for the government. After they were tested in that water circulating dam, my Dad launched them in the Luapula River. At that time, my Dad was foreman of the waterworks, and after those boats were launched, he left the Mine and went into partnership with man whose name was Katz. They had an iceplant on the Luapula and transported fish for the Govt. and for the mines from Lake Bangula to Kapalala where the iceplant was. From there, with refrigeration trucks, they transported the fish to the mines. Unfortunately, the Govt.slowly took over the business, and my Dad returned to the mines to work in the locomotive shop.

Steven and Margaret de Lange (née (wife) Margaret Charles) — Click here to contact me
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 27, 2002 at 04:06:06 (UTC)

Banbury Bash ...... For the record (ref Brian Geyser).

I was on the phone again to Brian Geyser (The Crusaiders) today discussing his and the other musicians performances at the recent bash ...... again I say THEY WERE ALL SUPERB!!!!

To put the record straight for all those whom have after Banbury been ringing and e. mailing Brian asking where and when he plays in the UK, Brian does not play publicly and has not done so for the past 25 years. His performance at Banbury was the 1st time in 25 years that he'd played publicly! Elias hope U R now convinced. I know I was thrilled by his superb mastery of the "original (yes) Hank Marvin Stratocaster guitar" that he purchased many years ago. If one shut one's eyes you would think the great master "Hank" himself was at the Bash playing that is how dedicated Brian is to his musical talent! The same applies to all the other musicians/performers at the Bash! Superb.

Heather Chalcraft.

The kids and I may just take U up on the Livingstone Bash offer subject to the final outcome of the impending divorce we have to face. I am sure we will need the change of environment! Thanks to all those people whom have been supporting and encouraging us during this difficult past 3 months.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 20:42:41 (UTC)

Can I add my voice to the chorus of THANKS for a wonderful evening in Banbury? I would have done so earlier but have been on a sick bed since returning to London! I am not sure if I should blame Johnny Green for dragging me round the golf course in the middle of the night! Or should I blame Elias for pouring all that Vodka down my throat!! And Arthur your camera tells fibs!! I had a fantastic time and wasn't sulking at all!

Tina and Linda

It was great meeting you both. Hopefully there will be another opportunity to spend more time together. If you do organise a bash in the States I will be there!!

Ada

Let me know when you return from your visit in Feb and I will make a point of coming to hear all the stories first hand! Enjoy it girl!

A huge thank you once again to Gary, Natasha and Scott, ALL the musicians who were fantastic! the chefs, cooks, and the wonderful company that made the night so special! Definitely a memory to cherish.
Hugs to all on the GNR.

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) — Click here to contact me
London, England
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 20:00:20 (UTC)

Heather I did not get the right train I got on one which was about 5 mins earlier but I thought as close as this to my time this must be it running early, it was'nt so i had to get off it and was lucky to catch the correct one 5 mins after i had got off but marknysarkny.Love Johnny.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 18:13:52 (UTC)

This is really punishing my memory but here goes for Paudie.

Paudie asked me if I knew John Maxwell GM ex NRP and I said Yes he was a good friend of mine and asked me to post the story of how John lost his leg to a crocodile on the Kafue river so here is the story as I remember it.
John had been assigned to farm patrol a job he seemed to relish and of course he made many farmer friends between Chingola and Solwezi One of the families was called Cox and they had several young children on the farm, and the night before he had mentioned he was going into the river with these children and I remember reminding him of the crocs that were plentiful in those days as I had a plot on the river at that time and had been in the country a lot longer than John and felt justified in warning him, he shrugged off my warnings and the next day off he went, I canot vouch for the next part of the story as I was not present but I believe John was there and the kids were playing in the water and John had climbed out on the bank when he spotted a croc speeding towards one of the kids he screamed a warning to the children and promptly dived in to grab the one the croc was after which he suceeded in doing and threw him onto the bank out of harms way but as he himself was hauling his body out of the water the croc siezed him by I think it was his right leg dragging him back into the river but John allways a fighter gave it a mighty punch on the snout and suprisingly it let go of him by this time he was again in the centre of the river and turned to clamber on to a large rock there but as he was attempting to climb out of the water the croc came at him again and this time it got a good grip on his other leg this time it took him down to the bottom of the river and was holding him down there hoping to drown him, and as John told me it could have only been a minute down there but it seemed like a life time, but once again the croc underestimated our boy and John felt along its jaws and teeth with one hand either side of its jaws until he came to its eyes and then gouged both its eyes out with his thumbs that did the trick and it immediatley let go of his leg but this time the damage was terrible to see and this leg was nearly severed he pulled himself out of the water and laid on the rock in the middle of the river the commotion had attracted the attention of an African lady who on seeing Johns plight waded out to him and some how got him to the bank and into his land rover I think he got one of the older children to drive and he fitted himself up with two tourniquet's one on each leg and just managed to make it back to the main road to Chingola flag down a motorist and only just made it into hospital before he died from loss of blood a very courageous man, I went to see him the next day and was amazed at the change in him his hair had turned white over night and the shock and pain in his eyes was terrible to see they had amputated one leg straight away and were considering taking off the other one, and after seeing him I myself had a few nightmares thinking I was lying on the bottom of the river would I have thought about gouging out its eyes I doubt that nobody in his position would have, you would have been to happy to drown, what a guy, eventually he was shipped back to the uk and I think it was in a Liverpool hospital where he spent months that he met a nurse who was looking after him and eventually married her Paudie reminded me that her name was Janet she and my wife became good friends, John returned to the force and carried on his duties with great gusto never letting his leg bother him and eventually retired and went into the private detective game and when I left in 76 he was still living in Ndola, He is now living here in the uk and I believe that he is divorced, I rang him about a couple of years ago he did not seem to be a very happy man but if any one would like his number contact me privately. Johnny.
PS The African girl was given a new bicycle for her bravery.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 18:04:06 (UTC)

Dear Medem Heather

I am confused.

How will writing IT teach me to spell braii?

xx Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 16:29:01 (UTC)

Heather.....
With a lump in my throat I say thank you.....what a beautiful picture, with the researching I have been doing....I have fallen in love with this mighty expanse of water...and the picture you have posted has put the icing on the cake.......and the Zambian/Rhodesian Teak..thanks, now I have a better understanding, every time I looked it up on the web I would get the most exquisite pictures of Teak furniture etc but no description of the actual tree..thank you so so much.......what would we do without you.......
Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 15:33:37 (UTC)

At long last ... I have finished my magazine and can now get around to this posting so stand by for a long one, because not only do I have a million comments to make to everyone, I also have nearly three weeks of postings to catch up on.

Brasso, Tash and Scott
I don't quite know how to express my thanks. I know what a big job it was and everything went off without a hitch. Well done and if you're at a loose end next year, I might offer you a job to help me with the one in Livingstone. How does that sound?

Dawie, Arthur, Craig
I'm not going to say too much here because I'll blow my image with everyone else. But I am sure that I get a lot more pleasure out of the GNR than anyone else does and it is only because of you three.

Elias
Me swear? You're thinking about someone else. And why were you too scared to come into a dark room with me? I only wanted to show you my fluorescent nail varnish. But you won't get such an offer again you're too old now - what with you being a Grandfather and all!!

Brian Geyser
Yesterday while I was putting my magazine together, I had your CD's playing - superb. I shall treasure them. And now I'm going to have a look at the photos of Jim and Sonya's wedding and see if I can spot you in any of them. just a few minutes ago, Essie Stucki came in and she remembers you well and your music.

John, Kim, Jamie, Brian, Julia, Paudie, Thelma, Mike
Don't put those instruments away. You have a date in Livingstone in September 2003.

Tina Magee
Good to meet you. But you really must learn to spell BRAAI. You can write it out 100,000 time and send it to Arthur.

Laura Charbonnier
Sorry we didn't have more time to chat - I would have liked to have caught up on the news of Frank and the rest of the family.

Mark Powell
Yes, you had better get rid of that limey accent quickly, otherwise you will be barred from entering Zambia.

Scarscalp
Good to see you and Debbie again and sorry I didn't go all ga-ga over the picannin - we left Craig to do that on our behalf. It was Blitish Scareways (we had a good fright) that brought me back so quickly. And via Johannesburg too! Had Kevin Shone snoring next to me all night and it was so bad that the woman on the other side moved in the middle of the night and NEVER came back. Not even the next morning. Ag Siestog!!

Johnny Green
Hope you got the right train and didn't end up on the wrong side of that little island.

Cookie and Theresa Brassington
Thank you for all your hard work too. Send me an email confirming what day you arrive in Lusaka so that I make sure I don't go off somewhere. And I'll organise a proper breakfast for you too.

Hartley Heaton
Yes, the picture in your mind is of my father and he still wears khaki shorts, khaki socks and keeps his pipe in his sock. I haven't had a chance to chat to him yet, but I shall ask if he remembers you, which he undoubtedly will.

Mike Wilson
Good to chat to you and I'm looking forward to those photos that you took in Luangwa.

Chris and Ada Cantrell
Really was good to meet you and I look forward to meeting you again in Zambia in January/February. Let me have the details of your trip and I'll sort it out for you.

All the other people at Banbury were fast asleep - they missed out on what is probably the best, most easily readable book that has been written on Zambia's history - Show Time by Dick Hobson. Don't you just love all those little stories about the different people - the Susman Brothers, the Jerominskys, Captain John Brown, Billy "D", J W Penny, Mopani Clarke.

Bill Laing
What happened? I was looking out for you.

Banbury and the Questions You Ask
I managed to speak with many people at Banbury and they all asked the same questions, so here are the answers for those who also want to know but didn't ask:
Roads - the Great North Road from Livingstone to Kalomo is in good shape. The section from Kalomo to Monze has just been rebuilt and should be opened in the next week or ten days. From there is it is in good condition (except for about five potholes near Chisamba) until you reach Kabwe (Broken Hill). The section from Kabwe to Kapiri is being rebuilt now (the contract has only just started). The road from Kapiri to Nakonde was rebuilt about three years ago. From Kapiri to the Copperbelt, the road is in good shape, except for the Luanshya Bypass. The road from Chingola to Chililabombwe (Bancroft) is good, From there to Kasumbalesa, the road is bad, but the contractors should already be on site. The Great East Road from Lusaka to Chipata (Fort Jameson) is good except for about sixty kilometres just after Petauke. The road from Chirundu to the Mazabuka junction is good although it needs some work done quickly otherwise it won't last long and the road to Siavonga has been rebuilt. The road to Mansa (Fort Rosebery) all the way up to Kawambwa is good as is the road from Mpika to Kasama and onwards up to Mpulungu although the section between Kasama and Mbala (Abercorn) is starting to form potholes. The road between Kasama and Mporokosa is a nightmare, but its still a gravel road so not as bad as a bad, tarred road.

The roads in the towns are not so good except that all the high-volume roads in Lusaka, Kitwe, Ndola, Solwezi, Livingstone, Kabwe, Mansa, Mongu, Chipata and Kasama have been done in the last three years and this year, they are doing Luanshya and Mufulira. The roads in Chingola are still not good.

Shopping and Shortages - We no longer have shortages except occasionally we can't get some things - king size prawns, French wines, kippers, caviar .....

The Auction
The total amount raised from the auction was £ 216, with the best selling item being a bottle of Mosi which went for £ 50. John thanks for doing your auctioneer bit, Shamus for buying it (did I spell that right and sorry, I have no idea what your surname is). It certainly was worth carting it around with me for two weeks before the bash. The funds raised have been handed over to Craig to cover the expenses he incurs every month in hosting the GNR.

I also got my brain in a twist. I thought Arthur still had two copies of the book Waterfalls Of Zambia by Francois D'Elbee so didn't bring any with me. I also didn't manage to get any copies of Francois' latest book, The Bush And Eye - there was a problem with the printing and even though I tried to arrange to pick up copies in Johannesburg on my way, I failed. I do however have copies sitting in my office with me now.

Doug Grewar
Sorry I missed your birthday. I hope it was happy. As Arthur correctly said, I was swanning around Europe. Dave and I were watching a programme on television about the Battle of Agincourt and they mentioned the town of Harfleur and we decided that it looked like an interesting place so we jumped on a train the next day, spent the night in Harfleur, had a good look around and came back the following day, after a delicious lunch in Paris. Now this is the way I like to travel - spur of the moment - and at last I've found someone who will do it with me. Just don't know what I'm going to do after next Tuesday when he joins the working classes again.

Gordon Garlick
Thanks for the drink, much appreciated.

David Gray
Tell me more about 'Maizie' and I'll see what I can find out.

Charlie Cartmill
What about the Cape Town Caper?

Alix
You asked about the source of the Zambezi. Here is a photograph which I have scanned from Zambezi, Journey of a River by Michael Main

I was hoping to get up there next month, but don't know whether I'll be able to or not - I have to make a choice between that (including Mwinilunga, Sakeji and Kalene Hill) or Isanga Bay on Lake Tanganyika. And then in between all of that, I have to go to the Kairara Gova Traditional Ceremony on 12 October and the Mbambala Traditional Ceremony on 15 October.

You also asked about Rhodesian Teak. My book calls it Zambian Teak (probably because it was published in 1979 and to say Rhodesia then, was to swear. Its proper name is Baikiaea Plurijuga or Zambezi Redwood, Mukusi (Lozi) or Mukushi (Tonga). It is a deciduous, semi-deciduous and sometimes evergreen tree, up to twenty seven metres tall with a straight bole. The leaves are up to ten cm long and consist of three to six thin, leathery leaftlets, dark green and glossy above, paler and slightly hairy below. The leaves fall from April to October and new leaves occur from August to December. Between November and June, the purple flowers appear and each flower lasts only one day. From mid-June to mid-November the dark brown pods mature, opening explosively to release the seeds. It is found throughout the Western Province. The wood is very hard, heavy, strong, stable and durable with a fine even texture. It was widely used for railway sleepers, mining timber, furniture and flooring. Both heartwood and bark contain tannins. Decoctions of the bark are used to treat syphilis and to make a fortifying tonic. (From Know Your Trees by A E G Storrs)

Show Time
For all the Banbury Bashers who were asleep that evening - this is your chance. And also a chance for the lurkers on this site.

A few weeks ago, I managed to lay my hands on the last few copies of the book Show Time by Dick Hobson (Dick passed away about three weeks ago). Although it says that it is about the history of the Agricultural and Commercial Society of Zambia (the Show Society), it contains much, much more than that - stories of the non-mining pioneers of this country - Hugh Walker, the first man to occupy a farm in North-Western Rhodesia and how he came to Zambia in 1898; Josselin de Jong who was a cotton farmer in North-Eastern Rhodesia and first entered Zambia in 1896; Tommy Moore; Henry Rangeley, Gordon Lobb, the tale of Makeni; Boyd Cunningham; Ben Woest; C J Hazard; Wingy Werner; the Woodrow Cross'; the great locust plague of 1930; the list goes on and on.

This book will be sent to the person who bids the highest for it and the proceeds will go towards Craig's expenses for hosting the site.

Place your bids on the Message Board.

DON'T MISS IT - THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE!

And now to look at all those photographs.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 14:37:55 (UTC)

Johnny's Pole Dancer identified -

Turns out to be a very pretty and proper picture of Moi Moo tango-ing with one of the marquee posts. She has one slim leg draped elegantly down the front of the pole. So maybe we can now call her Moi Moo Von Saracen after Hennie. Except she "parks thet bleddy thing" much more scenically than poor Hennie Von Saracen did in the song.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 13:17:48 (UTC)

Elias Georgopoullos

Those weren't insults, they were first impressions :>)))))

Great to meet you at the Bash.

Johnny Green

Don't forget to post the story of John Maxwell, NRP ex-Chingola. I remember now that his wife's name was Janet.

Paudie Coughlan — Click here to contact me
Ireland
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 10:57:46 (UTC)

Wilma Wall (nee Henry)
I am so sorry I didn't meet you at the bash. You were one of the people I really wanted to speak to. We probably passed each other often. But there were so many people to talk to and so much to do, the night just went. What I wanted to ask you was where is your brother George? He and my brother, Bob Wienand, were great friends. Maybe at the next Bash I will get to meet you.

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 08:01:28 (UTC)

Alan and Theresa
I hadn't forgotten you. I really enjoyed our time together. The whole of the Bassington family are terrific and we hope that we can all meet agan soon. How are the feet Theresa? Take care of yourself.

Mark and Liz
Great to see you again. Good luck with the medicals. We shall miss you at any future GNR get togethers but good luck with you plans for the future. Just keep in touch on the message board. I am terribly jealous of you heading for all that sun!!!

Lorrain, Ian and Family
Well what can I say. It was wonderful meeting you all and I hope that we can meet again soon. Lorraine remember what I said. Any time you want to talk just send an email or phone. Best of luck for the future. I llok forward to hearing from you.

Guy
I hope that you do contact us when you are next in Hastings. Both Chris and I would love to meet you again.

Fiona and Graham
Hope to see you both again soon - we didn't manage to spend enough time with you, but the time we had was great.
And everyone else that I have missed out it was great meeting you all.

Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 07:40:52 (UTC)

What a wonderful weekend – it was over too soon and I didn’t want to go home (nothing to do with the hangover I had on Sunday, I promise). It was great to meet up with old friends and to make new ones, just like one big, happy family.

A BIG THANK YOU to:

Gary and his family for working so hard to organise the weekend.

The band for the entertainment – I think I danced all night (my leg muscles think so anyway!)

Artie, Heather (you told me I had to post more often!), Dave (do I really look like your sister?) and Craig – what would we do without GNR?

Linda and Tina – I can’t remember when I last laughed so much. (Linda – you are a very BAD mother – poor Innocence is now an orphan!)

Fiona and Graham – what gems – let us know when you are due back in the UK so that we can get together.

Fiona (Fifi) for introducing me to GNR and being there for me.

And everyone else who made the weekend so memorable.

Zambia here I come in September. A little bird mentioned that there might be another bash being organised in a field early next year, I do hope its true – I cant wait!!

Diane

Diane Sewley (née Longman) — Click here to contact me
Bristol, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 06:03:30 (UTC)

Sorry the message board was down for a bit -- lots of HTML to clean up, and I promise not to point any fingers in public. :)

I am back from Banbury (for almost 24 hours now) and catching up on work, but I will have something to say when I get a moment. Of course, I can at least thank Gary for organising a hell of a do. Thanks Gary! (I can also point out that Elias has incorrectly spelled my name yet again.)

For those of you waiting to have your new entries into the Names Directory activated, I will be getting to that today. I didn't do any of that while I was in the UK. Anybody also waiting for a reply to e-mail to me should get that today as well.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 21:49:27 (UTC)

HEY GRAND PAPA Elias......
Congrats to your son Jason and his girlfriend....
LOVE IS IN THE AIR !!!
to all the posters from the bash, what wonderful stories, info etc I can honestly say without a doubt these bashes bring out this crazy thing called love...wow....the goosies and the ganders are really there...thank you for sharing your happy moments.......
....you are making me all the more wanting to go to Zambia next year for the big one..oh man that will be a good one.....
hey Tina...you looked so slim and slinky and very pretty........(just love ya !!!)
Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 18:39:59 (UTC)

PAUDIE
Hey you quiet Irishman!! Less of those insults. You and me might be related now. My eldest son and his Irish girlfriend have just had a baby girl. Knowing that all Irishmen are related you and me are now family.

JOHNNY GREEN
Johnny you are right about that Jaquie Milward, she is a looker, but she wasted the whole night talking to Dave Cooper about Ferrari gearboxes and Norton motorbikes. A long time ago she said any time I was in London, she would buy me a cup of coffee, but after seeing what I really look like, she never mentioned it again.
You mentioned Linda Hayes on the golfcourse. Are you sure it was her? Because I thought she was hiding in the cupboard in my room during Heather's inspection.

BRIAN GEYSER
Does anyone know whether Brian is making a fool of me or not? A number of people asked me where Brian performs and what his band is called. Now, Brian tells me he hasnt performed live for years which I find hard to believe as he sounded even better than he used to.

Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 18:18:10 (UTC)

Back home in Texas. Ted met me at the airport with red roses. The house looks like a florist's shop with balloons and flowers. This is the sweetest, kindest, man. Son and dog (dog is youngest child) are lekker too.

Week before the bash at Fiona (Fifi La Gayther's) with her brother John, Linda Dore Hayes, dear Diane Sewley popping in and out and showing us her lovely new house and driving us to the Bash. Have never laughed so much. John the Creator "Innocent" was a work of art. Linda is a hoot! And you must all know when Linda Hayes is writing wickedly funny things on the computer she has this deadpan saintlike little expression all flowing hair, mona lisa smile and purity shining from her eyes. It is very very funny. Dave you cook a helluva good braii and it was lovely walking the dogs with you.

Pre-bash impressions: Linda Hayes and Diane Sewley preparing tables and blowing up balloons sometimes in rather phallic arrangements. Brassingtons and Forbes everywhere. Preparing salads with Fiona Gayther, Ada and Chris Cantrell, (Cantrells that was the best, warmest most talkative trip back in your car to Horley and too short. Thank you.) Fiona and Graham Wall can I come out with you and play next time if there's room in your mini? (It's a Jag). Dessie you are a star. Gary, Natasha and Scott. Gary can we get that NZ cook a stick of wors to try sometime. He was such a love and so helpful). HELLUVA bash Gary!!!

Bash Impressions:
Wonderful food and drink. Finishing defrosting wors in the microwaves prior to cooking.

Meeting Liz Starley Tring from Lusaka Convent again. Looking GOOD girl. ((Susan Anthony is out there too Liz. Email me again Sue!!! Laura and Dianne ex-Charbonnier are also Lus Convent girls and Janie Dalton-Ledeboer and Leslie Dalton)).

F & G Wall and Moi Moo dancing - woohoo!!! The whole dance floor supporting singing along with chorus bits of Love Potion Number Nine. Biggest regret - that you can't sit down and get to know everyone you are introduced to even all your own table and everyone looks so interesting and you want to sit and watch their dear faces and hear their stories.

Also that Linda Hayes developed a blinding migraine right on the night. The Politburo? You're all great fun loved and firmly in memory - (your stage act will live forever heh heh. Good one John C). Elias and Johnny Barry Woodrow, Kevin Shone, Jacqui Milward, George Maxwell, Ade, Wilma W. ditto. Man - everyone ditto!!!!!! Not enough space name-memory or time to write but the faces are all there.

Gary - glad you liked your ceremonial 2 x 4 from the Mfazis of Mayhem. Only reason it was shortened - it had to fit in my luggage.

Band impressions - Brian and Julia Geyser - King and Queen Crusaders. Beside a happy and lucky rock singer is a wonderful lady. In the words of a song Brian sings beautifully, for us from the old days - "There'll never be anyone else but you for us. Never ever be, just couldn't be anyone else but you."

Thelma and Cor - boy you both have wonderful taste in partners. Cor, quiet, warm, gentlemanly, loving, Thelma a dynamic mega-talent and yet so warm friendly and welcoming and supportive. Remember folks - her cabaret is available at their Regency Hotel, Babbacombe, Torquay. Go and stay. If they look tired offer to pitch in and they might have us tend bar or do a few dishes or some laundry :-) :-).

Mike - that amazing voice. "You know I love you..." is imprinted in all our ears. You on disc anywhere? Because a lot of us would like to buy, guy!

Costopoullos family - Magic as a family, magic as talent. John do you ever run out of stories and is there anything you can't do solo guitar for? Kim - beautiful in and out and a big lovely voice. Man you know how to get a bunch of girls wee-ing!!!! Jamie - star of the future, send me your autograph but only after you've done your homework and chores - ok?. Glad you liked the rattlesnake eggs joke. I'll find more "good stuff" for you once in a while.

Paudie - you organised some amazing music at no mean personal expense and were the glue that quietly held it all together there with background guitar and keyboard. Thank you for letting me join in. Loved sitting up til 4.30 with Laura Charbonnier-Kyle (love to Dianne) and Roger C, you, and the Mufulira boys just listening to your stories and connections, getting to know you. Chris and Hazel lovely to meet you. Sue thanks for the writer book. Maybe you should send me something on Precis - hey? There were too many meetings going on - you and I will catch up another time since life is too short to lose touch.

Moi Moo and Glenda lovely walk and talk. Ditto again all Forbes and Brassingtons. Man you are all lovely. Scarscalp Debbie and Sproglet - love you lots. Thanks for the cap. Love to Mum). Hartley - great official photographer.

To anyone I've missed (forgive me, my memory's going at 50 I swear) and to all I haven't missed and to all who weren't there too - I love you all dearly. We are family.

Finally, Fiona - thank you my beautiful sistah for everything. Also for the wonderful gift of chocolate. Ted and I are right off our diets sticky fingered and very very happy ;-).

Craig you cutie thanks for the space on the server.

P.S. Johnny - that Pole Dancer could have been a rellie of Elias, his sisters, all us other Polish ladies at the Bash. ;-) Yours, Slinky.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 18:17:42 (UTC)

Hartley Heaton

Thanks a million for taking all those wonderful photo's which I thoroughly enjoyed wading through. (I seem to be in the habit of thanking you for being there with camera in hand!!)

Everyone else involved in arranging the BASH

Well done - it looks like a good old NR time was had by all.

Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 18:02:56 (UTC)

Dear All,
I feel that I have to have my little say about the bash. It was wonderful, for many reasons. I was afraid that it would be an evening of mixed little groups from different towns. But low and behold that was not the case. Right from the beginning when I had just arrived and Barbara Torrance and her wonderful kids appeared and we made contact the ice was broken.
Oh yes, back to what I want to add. It was such a great experience to see the differences in the ages of all the gnr's. It was also lovely to see people that had lost a member of their family there, it was I am sure for those children great to hear stories about their dad.
My husband spent the evening at the Briaa and had a few to many but that did not matter as I am sure there were quite a few more in that state!!!!
Yes Irene I did think of you and will be mailing you later.
Once again. Thank you to Craig for letting us have Gnr (and also for coming to the bash) Gary and his brood for making it happen.
Of course the music was out of this world. It was great to see John and his little boy and not forgetting Kim.
Thelma my mate did a grand job. (That was another good thing about gnr. I had lost touch with her for 23 years (I was her matron of honour in Kalulushi.) We met again at the bash. SO ONCE AGAIN MANY MANY THANKS TO ONE AND ALL.
Lots of Love and hugs Wilma

Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 17:34:54 (UTC)

Arthur

Quite apart from all the hard work posting "bash" photographs, you are doing a fantastic job scanning in old Rhokana Reviews. The April 1955 edition brought back childhood memories for there on page 30 was a photo of the motor boat 'Maizie' which was fabricated in the boilershop round about 1943. I well recall paying my 'tickey' (3 old pence to the uninitiated) and travelling twice round Sokolich's 'lake' as the reservoir was called. Do we have any knowledgeable folk out there who know what became of the old 'Maizie' - is she still in service or did she sink? I would love to know what became of this vessel. Heather, you travel everywhere in Zambia, have you ever come across the 'Maizie'?

I have another question of a nautical nature for the Nkana contingent. In the 40s and 50s there was a beautiful model of a fully rigged sailing vessel in the Mine Club. I used to spend ages when I was knee high to a grasshopper with my nose pressed to the glass case, looking at the fine workmanship . Where did this model come from and whatever became of it - is it still there ? Does anyone know -David Thomas or Guy Hobbs ?

Thanks again Arthur for all that work.

Cheers.

David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 15:44:56 (UTC)

Dear Linda you suprise me I must have been loaded I thought the girl with me on the 18th hole was my real love Jaqui Millward, as I remember we set off for the great out doors and on the way out a gentle man stopped me and said Johnny Green you are a ----- hooligan and dont you hurt that poor girl and after that I canot remember any thing, my dear Jaqui I did not hurt you did I? This is a true story and Jaqui I am sure will vouch that it is, and Paudie my buddy Elias can play the radio, Totsiens for now Johnny.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 15:33:10 (UTC)

Johnny
First the mind and then...well... the mind! Obviously you have forgotten our little tryst on the 18th hole on Saturday night.

Blackie
I sent you an email with a message from Margaret Malan, but it has bounced back to me. Have you changed your email address already. I promise I am not trying to pursue you. You are safe and don't need to run. he! he!

To all the people who have emailed me since I returned, I will answer just as soon as my head clears. Thanks for all the lovely things you have said. Makes me quite nostalgic already. What a brilliant bash. You guys are all super stars.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 12:38:27 (UTC)

Banbury Bash

WOW. What a fantastic experience catching up with so many old friends and acquaintances that we haven't seen or even been in contact with for up to 30 years and more. Especially all the Mufulira and Kitwe folk. What memories!! And meeting so many people face to face who up to now have only been names and messages on the GNR, or email correspondents. A big thanks to the GNR founder, Dave Cooper, and Management Heather, Craig and Arthur; to Gary for organising such a successful Bash, and to everyone else who helped.

Sue and I had a ball and she even got to dance with Elias, Craig and Arthur. She had thought that Elias would be loud and extrovert but he turned out to be extremely quiet and timid, and couldn't play any musical instruments at all.

From the Musicians

We were all overwhelmed by the experience of getting together, from different parts of the world, and performing for fellow ex-NR/Zambians at such a nostalgic and friendly event. What a tremendous honour, privilege and pleasure it was!! An experience never to be forgotten. All thanks to the GNR.

Paudie Coughlan — Click here to contact me
Ireland
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 09:57:18 (UTC)

The reason I have been a bit remiss in thanking Gary is that I had forgotten that I had changed my password just before I left and was trying to pump in my old one and crying to Craig about the Poxy password he had given me sorry Craig but my brain is still a littled pickled from that terrific time we all had, but Gary thanks a million for a marvellous time and what a pleasure to meet all those ladies I annoy every day of there lives my friend Linda was not well on the very night I had decided to seduce her but that was her loss she is a real honey and I am lucky to have a friend like her,and as for that demure young lady from Dallas who sang those terrific songs she is also a honey but those haunting torch songs told me she must make her living singing in all those clubs in the night life of Dallas I think from now on I will call her SLINKY,I also had the pleasure of a private show from a pole dancer that I met and as the pole was improvised rather quickly she tells me she is still plucking out the spells she aquired and as you will see when the pictures of her appear in action that it must have been a very painful performance for her, it just shows you what some girls will do for love but I love her in return (dream on Johnny).
And what a pleasure it was to meet my buddy Elias after so long a great guy and I am looking forward to our next meeting he was complaining about girls not wanting to dance with him but I have some photo evidence to the contrary as we will see I hope just now, it was also a delight meeting Kevin Shone a guy with a great sense of humour and look forward to seeing him in Livingstone next year I could go on for ever thanking you all for the friendship you showed to me and I thank you all for it, but I canot close without a mention of that bundle of Dynamite HEATHER a great girl
with a great personality and of course thanks to our other three musketeers Craig, Arthur, and Dawie Bless you all Johnny.

Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 06:11:51 (UTC)

Elias
I am still wading through the GNR, having just surfaced from a VERY long journey home, but I just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for not divulging to Heather and the Raiders that I was in the cupboard when they broke the door down on Saturday morning.. oops. He! He! Luv ya, Babe and thanks for being my doctor on Saturday night. You are a super star and if I had not had a terrible migraine, I am sure you would have had big problems trying to keep me in check.

Dave Cooper
I enjoyed the quiet talk we were able to have and to see a gentler side of you than I had expected. Yes, I did take heed of what you said in your posting.

Moira, Glenda, Wendy, Carole, Pappy and Shirley, Blackie, Terry & Shirly Hinton, Ian & Lorraine Forbes, Cookie and Theresa, Thelma Holland, and I'm sure there are others I forgot to mention here
It was so lovely to see you all after so many years! It was like time had stood still and we just picked up where we left off, somehow.

Paudie and Sue
It was lovely to see you guys again. Wishing you all the best! Paudie you were great in the band, as always.

John, Kim and Jamie
Your entertainment was brilliant!! Jamie is sure to make a big splash in the music world as he gets older. John, thanks for my message from Africa. Definitely made my day!

Mike Thomas
Hope you passed my kiss on to the intended recipient. He! He! I will be contacting you to send me the photos we discussed. You have an amazing voice. Thanks so much.

Fiona
I will be emailing you personally, but I opened the GNR before I went to my emails so I just want everyone to know that you are even more brilliant on a personal level than you are at a bash! I am so glad we are friends and I cannot thank you enough for the wonderful time I had at your house. I have not laughed like that in a long time. I do apologise profusely for leaving "Innocent Matwetwe" in the cupboard at the Banbury House Hotel. I wonder what the maid thought when she went to clean up. Ha! Ha!

Bwana Grins
You are a sweet, lovely man. I thoroughly enjoyed myself with you and only sorry that I do not live in the UK where we could be closer friends. I laughed my head off when you came into the hotel with that long, shiny, black wig and moustache on Friday night. I really did do a double take and thought you were my old boyfriend, Howie Silk, for a second. But just a second... he! he!

Kevin Shone
Hope you had a good trip home and taking care of that leg. Let me know what Viv says about the boat part. Hope I brought the right one. Looking forward to staying in touch.

Arty
You are just as I expected you to be, and I'm only sorry we did not have a longer journey back to Sutton Coldfield to talk. Thanks so much for driving me there, and for my gift. Looks like you proved my cousin wrong in her fears that you would rape me on the way back. Ag shame...

Brasso, my buddy Brasso
What can I add that everyone else has not already said about you and the wonderful job you did of the bash? Seeing you again after all these years was just like we had been in Kitwe in the old days. You have a lovely family and I enjoyed meeting them all. Thanks for making it a magical evening for all of us. It was very special for me.

Craig and Heather
Finally, I got to meet you guys. You are both stars! Heather, I really appreciate all the hard work I saw you doing on Saturday night. By the way, my book on Zambia is absolutely brilliant!! Glad I beat the others to get it.

To those who asked me to bring Beauteous back
I must say I was quite overwhelmed. Thank you!

Tina
I had a blast with you. Hope your trip home was less exhausting than mine. I left at 7:45am on Monday and arrived in Austin at 11:00pm on Monday evening. With the 6hrs time change, the 10hr flight and 7 hrs layover in New Jersey, I was an absolute Zombie at work today.

If I have forgotten to acknowledge anyone here, please know that I am not doing this intentionally. I am really really tired, but wanted you all to know that the bash was absolutely brilliant. Again, if I had not been sick, I would have enjoyed it even more than I did. I enjoyed meeting new people that I have corresponded with, and seeing old friends that were such a huge part of my life in Kitwe. Brilliant!!

And now I am going to look at all the piccies.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 01:24:18 (UTC)

Having read innumerable entries in the last months and..
having developed a hatred for Brasso as such a good organiser and....
having skimmed the photos posted by God and....
having a severe case of envy and.....
sitting in Ottawa watching the leaves turn colors and....
thinking solidly, of a trip to Zambia and....
noting that I am as old and decrepit as all those oldies...
now therefore...
I resolve to get real and realise that we all live our lives and have solid memories of childhood and youth that, perhaps, are embellished by a rose tint. I hereby resolve to read the GNR each day as normal, but take what is written with a 'todays' tint.
This will not stop me from geting to Mufulira and finding my Gran's grave, nor will it stop me from reading the ineffable Elias. I will go on........
Notwithstanding a sudden desire for a Lion...... now languishing in Garys basement.
Sheeees......

Bill (William T.C.) Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 00:24:00 (UTC)

Starman Gary

and everyone who helped make the Banbury Bash such a success. Nothing to say but, fanbladdytantic! Such a great turnout and just so special with so many people making such an effort and travelling from afar. Food, wine, music, entertainment, company, hotel, everything great - apart from the very shiny shirt George Maxwell was wearing!

Sorry no party trick folks - Linda Dore was unable to bring her pet Python into the country. Perhaps next time!

Great pictures too.

Big sloppy moo to everyone and lets hope we can make the 200 mark next time.

Moi moo

PS Great to meet you Tina and hope you had a good flight back.

Moira Fenwick — Click here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 22:34:53 (UTC)

Wantok,
Don't try and put the blame on me. It was OLD man Cantrells' idea. It will be in his neck of the woods not mine. Probably end up calling it "THE BATTLE OF HASTINGS"!

Mark,
I've decided on my outfit. I think I'll dress up as a turd and call myself Robert Mogambwe, hows that sound?
Looking forward to it mate. Got any Windhoek knocking about?

Brasso,
Hard luck with the beers mate; 12 Lion, thats nearly as bad as 6 Castle.

Chalcraft,
How you get home so quick? Zambian Airways?

Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong.

Scarscalp — Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 21:12:50 (UTC)

OOOOPS SORRY .my posting should read...DON'T LETS GO TO THE DOGS TONIGHT.....
ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 16:54:13 (UTC)

Hi all
I strongly reiterate what Dave Cooper says about Alexandra Fuller's book DONT LET US GO TO THE DOGS TONIGHT..
a good book to read, I bought it at Perth airport,on my way to NZ I had it read in 2 days.....like Dave says "very fast reading".......
Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 16:48:34 (UTC)

Gary
Thank you, thank you!!!!! what a wonderful bash. Chris and I had the time of our lives. We are still recovering - you know what it is like with us 'old people!!!!! Thank you Gary you did a humungus job there. Yirra Piet it was blerry
good. Lots of love to all your family and thanks as well. Tell Jane I look forward to meeting her again. We enjoyed every minute with all of you.
Arthur
Great to see you again and thank you for the disc. When recovered I will hog the computer to look at it.(Hope you read this Chris) You are a star Arthur and we can never thank you enough for the work you put into the GNR site. The photos are great, you even made me look good!!! Thank you.
Heather
Thank you for being so wonderful. I am so glad we met you. You are a true Northern Rhodesian and I look forward to seeing you in Jan/Feb 2003. Thank you for being you. Thanks for the wonderful pics and keeping us up to date on happenings in ZAM.
Craig
So good to meet you at last. What a fantastic job you do.
Grahm, Debs and Katelyn,
Look forward to seeing you next month, we will continue the party. Can't wait. Lots of love.
Fiona, Graham,
You two really know how to party and we are all the better for knowing you. Can't wait for the next time!!!!
Jackie M
It was great seeing you again. YOu must come and visit us in Hastings some time then we can really sit down and chat.
Tina
Hope you had a safe journey home and that all is well there. Please keep in touch. We hope your journey to Horley wasn't too terrible, listening to those two old so and so's reminiscing. Sorry about the back seat driving!!!We enjoyed your company and your stories. Take care of yourself.
Lots of love to all of you and thank you for the weekend.
We had the most wonderful weekend, just wish it could have gone on forever.
Lots of love to all of you.
Chris and Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 14:32:53 (UTC)

Dave

I have been looking for something to read, ordered both book from Amazon. Thanks very much.

Hartley

Hartley Heaton — Click here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 14:13:25 (UTC)

Banbury Photos

Throughout the evening I managed to take just under 220 photos. I have a quick glance at them on Sunday morning and after deleting those that were out of focus, photos of bums, heads and various other parts of people’s anatomy, I whittled it down to about 170 photos that were reasonable. I handed these to Arthur, on a CD, at 10am Sunday and they were posted by 4:30 PM on Monday, not bad going. Great work Arthur seeing as you probably had to doctor some of mine to get rid of the overexposure.

I discovered last night that, after doing some low-light photography last week, I had forgotten to adjust the ASA setting on my camera which would have accounted for the bright photos.

To the lady that I photographed with her mother, and who took that photo of me, I either didn’t catch, or have forgotten, your name, I notice that Arthur has posted the photo. As he has said he will Email it to you if you want a copy. It is referenced ‘banbury_2493.jpg’.

Just a couple of names to add to the list.

Image banbury_2495.jpg is of Liz and Bob Tring.
Image banbury_2592.jpg is of Bob Tring and Jack Wild.
Image banbury_1482.jpg is Sue Heaton (my wife), Maggie and Roger Eveleigh.
Image banbury_2439.jpg is my brother Dave and his wife Gill with Roger Eveleigh in between describing how big it is!!!!

Hartley Heaton — Click here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 13:55:39 (UTC)

N O R T H E R N E R S!

About six years ago I waxed lyrical (is that right?) about a book by Peter Godwin called MUKIWA. It was excellent, and I expect every Northern and Southern Rhodesian, or any white African has read this book and enjoyed it.

Well Heather loaned me a book over the last fortnight, and I devoured it. I found it much more relevant than MUKIWA, as part of the book takes place in Zambia, and one of the characters in the book lives near Heather in Lusaka today.

Alexandra Fuller's DON'T LETS GO TO THE DOGS TONIGHT captures the taste and spirit of life in Africa more than anything I have ever read. I highly recommend that we all read this wonderful work. I have never read a book so fast in a very long time. I would have read it even faster, had I had no time but to read.

Thanks Heather. What a wonderful read! I know the rest of you will agree. There is no axe to grind here, just a good African read!

Groeten...

Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 13:37:22 (UTC)

Gary, I know you have heard it over and over again over the last few days, but I have to add my voice and say what a fantastic, nostaligic, fun evening it was. You and your family did a great job and David, Lesley and I thoroughly enjoyed ourselves together with everybody else. Just had a chance to look at the photos and it is obvious that a good time was had by all.

Betty

Betty Mahady (née Horn) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 13:08:33 (UTC)

Banbury Photographs

All images posted yesterday are available in their original size and quality (as opposed to the size reduced and very compressed versions seen here on the GNR which do not print out well)

If anyone would like an original photo or two please drop me an line and I will e-mail you up to 6 photos at a time, please bear in mind that not all but some of these photos are nearly 2 megabytes in size each, so 5 images will take 25 minutes or thereabouts to receive with a 56k modem.

Alternatively if you live in the UK I will post out any number of photos for £5 on a CD - excess proceeds will go to the Craig to help pay for the GNR running costs. If you can't afford that send me a post paid envelope and a blank writable CD.

A few of you may not realise you can save any of the photos displayed on the GNR - for a Windows based system open the image from the Fish Eagle icon, right click on the image and a drop down menu will appear and go to "Save picture as". You can then view your saved pictures at you leisure without having to be connected to the Internet.

Apologies to most of you that already know how to do this but I do get e-mail asking occasionally. Anyone using other than Windows ask Dave Cooper but you may not like the reply.

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 11:24:50 (UTC)

FIRST IMPRESSIONS
We all get impressions of people when you dont physically see them, sometimes they are right and sometimes completely different. These are a few of mine:-

Heather Chalcraft: First, because hers was the first face I saw. A bundle of energy with nice toenails and fingernails. Thinner than I thought she was and not as fierce at all. Surprised that she swears terribly. Never had a chance to chat as she was allways doing something.
Arthur Steevens. Exactly as expected, friendly, amiable, cheery, not a headmaster type at all.
Craig Hartnet. Quiet, takes everything in but probably wont tolerate any nonesense.
Dave Cooper. What a surprise, he is not grumpy or abrupt at all, but very interesting to talk to.
Tina Magee. Exactly what I thought she was, but taller, friendly doesnt brag about all her accomplishments, and she can sing as well.
Linda Hayes. Thinner and quieter than I expected. Good at keeping an eye on a speeding taxi driver which we were trying to follow. Unfortunately had a terrible migraine which spoilt her night.
Sue Fford. What a chatterbox!! I thought she was tall, quiet and shy. She is a shorty and a good dancer.
Paudie I thought he would be loud and extrovert but he is very quiet, great musician.

Those were just a few impressions, some more later. No bad ones, although old man Brassington wanted to fight with me until he read my name and thought I was an old friend from Kitwe?
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 10:03:07 (UTC)

N O R T H E R N E R S!

I was gobsmacked by Banbury. As the event unveiled, I had to keep pinching myself saying "Is this all due to the Great North Road?"

Gary, you did an expert and highly professional job. But there are many more people to thank... all those who helped in small ways, like picking up rubbish and bottles, cooking and preparing food, going out to buy a bottle of milk, or just helping in a little, unnoticed way. Thank you so very much.

When it was all over, I was sad. I suddenly found myself asking myself, "When will I see these people again?" This surely means something... for I was now considering these people to be closer to me than just strangers. They were becoming friends. (Linda, are you hearing this?)

This is surely something to dwell on. There is good in this.

Thank you all very much.

Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 09:59:45 (UTC)

tremendous !!! ...is the only word I can think of ..
apart from envious..thanks for the photos Art...they are wonderful, if it has taken me for ever to view them, it really makes one appreciate how much work you do for this site....(it could be that my old cripple of a computer is just slooow...) Hartley..thanks...and Heather the same....oh and good luck for the lowdown.....keep safe and well you beautiful people.....
Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 06:23:10 (UTC)

Gary
Well done! You can now sit back and relax knowing that all that hard work has paid off as it sounds like a wonderful time was had by all. Be careful though, you may be recruited for all future reunions!!

Hartley, Heather & Arthur
Thank you for the fantastic piccis, it was good to see familiar faces and be able to put faces to names of poster on the GNR in particular the elusive Elias!

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 05:58:42 (UTC)

I'm back in Lusaka but too tired and too rushed (I have less than 24 hours to put my next magazine together) so all my comments on Banbury will have to wait. But there are three which must be made immediately:

Brasso - if each bash has to be bigger and better, how on earth am I going to beat that next year?

Arthur - what did you do to that photo of Elias - he didn't look that good in reality?

Elias - are you sure you weren't whipping your walnut tree when we disturbed you?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 05:39:56 (UTC)

Well I suppose after lurking for the past few days (or is it recovering!) I ought to put fingers to the keys and acknowledge everyone's influx of e. mails and postings on the Message Board. THE KIDS & I WERE DELIGHTED EVERYONE HAD A GOOD WEEKEND - It was Natasha's, Scott's & my great pleasure to have been your hosts at the Banbury Bash this past weekend. Thank U all - it was you the 160 people who attended that made the nite! However we must list a number of special important acknowledgements:

Brian & Julia Geyser - thanks to U both for your kindness, support & generosity particularly with the loan of all your valuabe equipment!

Paudie Coughlan - for your generosity, patience with me & advice - keep in contact please!

John, Kim & Jamie Costopoulos - superb entertainment and U R all stars. Jamie - for a young man of 8 the world is your oyster son.

Thelma Holland - what can I say - dynamite truly does come in small packages. Love U and thanks!

Mike Thomas - brilliant performance and again our thanks. What a performance.

Tina McGee - loved Love Potion No.9 and your company. Huge huggies.

Linda Dore - thanks for the name tags and everything else! We love U. Again huge huggies!

The medems & bwana of the salads, Ada & Chris Cantrell, Tina McGee, Fiona Gayther, Dianne Sewley, my sisters Jane & Laura Brasso - we thank you all.

Graham & Debbie Nelson for the superb selection of cheese.

To Theresa Brassington for spending a great deal of the nite rushing about working hard - thanks.

To the army of bwanas of the braai - thanks all. Meat was cooked superbly.

To the Kiwi cook at the Banbury Golf Centre (with Tina McGee's help) for helping /learning to cook the "pap" so well!

The GNR 4 - Dave Cooper, Craig Hartnett, Heather Chalcraft & Arthur (Sarkyarthur) - thanks for being there and making the effort to honour us with your presence.

Lastly but most important - YOU the gusets/attendees - thank U all for comming. Without you the GNR's there would never be a Bash. Thank you all!

To my children Natasha & Scott. I love you both very much and thanks for your support and insistance that I carry on with the bash arrangements during our troubled family strife. You gave me the will to pick myself up and face the task and life headon! I am now stronger for it!

Fellas - of the 580 bottles of Castle, Lion & Windhoek lager all U left me (sob tears in eyes) was 12 bottles of Lion. Ladies U too did well - only 6 bottles of Kumala white & red SA wines left out of 68 purchased. Not bad going. The 58 Kilos of traditional wors and 8 kilos of Piri Piri - hardly a smidgeon left. Well done. As for the "porkie chops" - nil left out of the 25 kilos purchased. The fruit all disappeared but with the exception of 2 pineapples. Well done all - I know U all were suitably fed & watered now.

Gary, Natasha & Scott Brasso.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 23:23:10 (UTC)

Brasso you are the man,
what a brilliant bash you and your family organised. Lizzie, the kids & I had a great night meeting up with old friends and being introduced to new ones. The entertainment was first class.
Linda, it was grat to finally meet you. Have a safe trip back to Texas.
Fiona & Graham if we don't get to meet up with you before you go back to Saudi have a safe trip back. Try and wangle it so you can come for the wedding on 9th November.
Debbie & Graham we will see you on the 9th don't forget it's fancy dress.
Heather I look forward to receiving the tapes I have already started practising my southern African accent ready for the next bash.

Mark Powell

MARK POWELL — Click here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 21:49:27 (UTC)

Oops, before I forget, and although I've already told her in person, TINA. She did a wonderful self-composed Zambian rendition of LOVE POTION NUMBER 9 which went down a storm. Really excellent and worth putting up with the warblings in the next door bedroom! Good one Girl, keep 'em coming!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 21:46:14 (UTC)

I've been thinking for two days what I can say about the Banbury Bash and I'm afred words fail me. I had a terrific few days beforehand, having Linda and Tina to stay. We had a wonderful time and it was a real pleasure to have them staying with me. I haven't laughed so much in ages. The Friday before the bash was a lot of fun. The Bash itself was unbelievably excellent. Gary, you did such a fantastic job. The entertainment was brilliant (I'm running out of superlatives!)

Catching up with old friends and finding new ones was so good and leaving them all on Sunday was very hard. Some of us hung around for ages, either trying to recover from the night before or not wanting to leave.

Elias, you never asked me to dance :-( but it was lovely to meet the elusive one at long last). The goss on Sunday was excellent! Lovely names to remember - Kevin Shone, Elias, of course, great to see Graham & Fiona Wall again, the Cantrells (salad makers extrodinaire), Craig the Rough, the Gorgeous Fenwick Girls, Curly Maxwell, wonderful to see you again. It's so nice to meet people who know what you're talking about and don't think you talk strangely! And of course, Bwana Grins. These and all those I haven't mentioned because it's late, I'll miss you all until next time (Bath in a farmer's field Scarscalp?).

The Band were so professional and John's singing excellent (must send you the cd of Ag Pleez Daddy!). The music was wonderful and I just wish we could hear it all again. The jokes were ummmmmmmm, they were good ........! Little Costopoulos is a star in the making for sure!

Last but absolutely not least, Gary. Thank you so much for all your hard work. It WAS all worthwhile and the most unbelievably good party and all down to you. Next time you can relax and enjoy - maybe!

P.S. Beauteous's spirit made an appearance and she is as wonderful and as funny as you would imagine she was. Only thing, she is a very neglectful mother, who left her bebby in her hotel room. So if anyone sees little Innocent, please let me know!

P.P.P.S Artie, good effort - bit short of 600+ photos though! Well done Hartley - you must have a very sore trigger finger!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 20:44:09 (UTC)

ARTHUR STEEVENS IS WORSE THAN HEATHER
Dont be fooled by that friendly smile. He is in cohoots with Heather, to shame people into silence.
No wonder none of the girls wanted to dance with me. YUK
Elias.
(Arthur, please admit you doctored that picture to make me look like an old Neptune)

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 19:31:55 (UTC)

Elias !

It may be too late

A front page photo from tomorrow's Zambian Times

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 19:00:47 (UTC)

PS
I forgot to mention. That Chalcraft Woman behaves here just like she does in Zambia and makes her own rules. I had a big red "DO NOT DISTURB" sign on the door handle, which all the hotel staff took note of, but not Heather.
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 18:36:48 (UTC)

A MAN CAN WHIP A WOMAN, AND HIS WALNUT TREE

This is an old Cypriot saying which means a man can whip a woman to keep her in control and also his walnut tree which grows new shoots on the whipped parts.

I am sure my ancestors would agree to adding that HEATHER CHALCRAFT woman to the whipping part, if they knew what she was like.

Early on Saturday morning I was fast asleep in my hotel room, recovering after a terrible drive to Banbury. suddenly I was jerked awake with a terrible commotion at my door, sounding like a hammering, kicking and shouting, just like these drug busts you see on T.V. I managed to get my trousers on back to front and rushed to open to the door. Imagine my shock and embarassment when Heather Chalcraft shoved the door open, charged in closely followed by Fiona Wall and a dozen other well tanked GNR raiders. I was so shocked that I called Arthur, "Craig" and called Craig "Des Kenny".

Imagine the shame When you first meet someone you want to impress, you would like to appear clean and tidy, well dressed, but she found me half naked, my trousers on back to front, unwashed, unshaven, my room terribly untidy with empty coffee cups, half unpacked suitcases, unmade bed (Which she also had the cheek to inspect to see if anyone else was in it!).

Before I could say anything, she threatened me by saying, "You had better join us in the lounge in 5 minutes or else we will be back." and disappeared.

This woman is dangerous and should be banned from leaving Zambia.
Elias.

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 18:28:05 (UTC)

Northerners !

The Great Banbury Braai and Sundowner

The organiser - aka as the "Lion Tamer" - Gary Brassington

The Musicians and entertainers

The people and party

With special thanks to Hartley Heaton - official GNR Photographer - Banbury Bash 2002 - additional photos from Heather and Arthur.

Thank you so much to each and every one of you involved in the organisation, the entertainment and the work done during this brilliant weekend, and also too all those who were lucky enough to attend this fantastic bash.

Special thanks also to Paudie, John Kim and Jamie, Brian, Thelma, Mike and our own Tina for the fabulous night of nostalgia, singing, humour and music and also for travelling such huge distances to be here. You were all wonderful.

Heather will announce the final amount donated to the GNR through the auction shortly.

The Great North Road - Northern Rhodesians Worldwide

Important

As we already have most people covered in the above photographs we will not now need to have any further images sent in to cover the Banbury Bash.

The exception to this will be those of any people we did not manage to photograph or any good shots which are particularly embarrassing or shocking.

I have put the names of people I particularly remember on some of the images, sorry if I missed any of your names, you know what it's like after a few beers.

I would be grateful if anyone would put the remaining names to any of the faces I could not recall, quoting the image number and posting this info on the message board.

Gordon Garlick

Thanks for the beer mate.

Gary - what can I say - My thanks to you, Tash and Scott for everything. Good luck for the future.

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 16:27:09 (UTC)

Heather,Arthur,Dave C,Craig,Tina, Linda, Dianne, Fiona G,Des,Kevin,Ada, Chris, Scarscalp,Debbie, Mark Lizzy and kids, etc., etc.,

What an enjoyable experience to meet up with BM and baby 'b' I look forward to getting together with them again, in far off places. The Banbury Hotel bar lounge will never be the same again, rumour has it that the UK Dudley earth quake epicentre can be traced back to events at Banbury Golf Club on Saturday night.

For all you international visitors hope you had a good flight back. Heather look forward to getting together with you on the Zambia Bash. When I return to Saudi will forward on all the Chingola email addresses I can find.

Love to ya'll

Fiona and Graham

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 11:04:45 (UTC)

Commiserations to all GNR's who were unable to attend the Banbury Bash for one reason or another for what was the ultimate UK based BASH. Congratulations Gary and all who assisted to make this a memorable evening. I second Gary for President!!

Great music, great food and drink, wonderful company what more could one ask for.

It was great to meet people and be able to put faces to the names of regular contributors to the GNR and also to make new friends to communicate with.

Once again a great and memorable weekend to which both Graham and I had a wonderful time, see you guys (Inshallah)in Zambia next year.

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 10:41:57 (UTC)

Hello Gary,

Just to join the queue to congratulate you and your helpers for the fantastic night at the "Banbury Bash. Everything was absolutely perfect.

It was great to meet the folks whose messages I read daily,
nice to put a face to the message, also the great "4", but most especially the two Madala's who made my night - Ron Brassington and Guy Hobbs. Gentlemen you brought back so many wonderful memories I can't thank you enough.

Again many thanks,

Maz Martin

Marianne Martin (née Griffiths) — Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 10:01:02 (UTC)

It was a unique evening and I was very pleased to be a part of it!! A job really well done Gary - sit back, have a beer and believe that u did a brilliant job ....Well done to Paudie for uniting the band and as for some of those jokes - excellent!! Wonderful to put faces to messages and to see folks from way, way back in ones past. Fantastic to meet the big 4 who we depend on to manage this great site with all its news and reviews. Do hope all had safe journeys home and look forward to seeing the photies.

For anyone who wasn't an ex Rhodie/Zamboon - we must look like a really strange culture. Don't know about strange but its definitely unique otherwise we wouldn't have folk from all ends of the globe making to effort to unite together for an evening.

I'll try to refrain from being a 'lurker'.

Maeve Byrne (née Hall-Thompson) — Click here to contact me
Lindfield, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 08:59:14 (UTC)

What a great evening we all had at Banbury, I haven’t enjoyed myself so much since leaving Zambia all those years ago.

Gary - fantastic, marvellous, wonderful job it was great.

As for the entertainment, John and his family were fantastic and it was great to hear Brian playing again after almost 30 years.

And to all those people I saw again after such a long time and to those I met for the first time on Saturday, we must keep in touch.

Finally Gary, you have set quite a precedent here I don’t think that anyone is going to be able to top that one.

Hartley

Hartley Heaton — Click here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, September 23, 2002 at 07:52:55 (UTC)

Garry Brassington for President.!!!!!!!!

What a fantastic weekend. Thanks to all of you who helped make it so.

Cheers. I'm all beernbiltonged out.

Scarscalp — Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 18:55:27 (UTC)

Hi all GNR's
It looks like I'm the first back and in a fit state to post a message after the Banbury Bash last night. For those who sadly couldn't make it - we all thought of you and had a drink for you. (Especially Gillyb).
The whole atmosphere was fantastic and to see so many old friends was just great. I felt 15 again!!
The music was brilliant, the food delicious and I cannot thank Gary, Paudie et al enough. Gary I hope you will recover swiftly from the stress of it all and please remember that you made an awful lot of people very happy. Thank you.
I look forward to seeing the pictures - will post mine, (now I've found my camera again), as soon as they're developed.
Thank you everyone for letting my husband Wayne become an honourary Zambian for the night, He thoroughly enjoyed himself.

Bridget

Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 15:38:51 (UTC)

Liz and Doug....et al
I agree with you both and lets hope the Babalaas suffering is not that bad for them....I just hope they had a brilliant night, and that there is one happy "short fellow" who now can relax......
I spoke to both Johnny and Heather on Friday night, both sounded like they were enjoying themselves, tried again to ring them last night, but could get through...
I hope we get some wonderful photos "SOON"....can't wait...

Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 09:35:58 (UTC)

Hi Liz
Never mind the food and the booze, what I am envious of is the great entertainment program and the pleasure of meeting all the good friends we have made on the Gnr.

At least we are going to get some pictures just now now and we have no Babbalas.

Regards - Doug

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 08:52:37 (UTC)

Babalaas builders. Bet you're all enjoying yourselves. Talking non-stop. Drinking non-stop. Eating non-stop. Lion. Boerwors. Biltong.
No. I'm not envious. No! Not one little teeny weeny incey wincey little bit. Meena? Ikona! Never did drink Lion anyway. Hah! Who needs it?
I have my vodka, BBC1 and a TESCO pizza. What more could a body ask?
OK. So it's a 'no contest'.
No.
I'm not even remotely envious.
Hah!
At least I won't have a babalaas in the morning....
So.....?
I wish......

Liz Downing (née Gregory) — Click here to contact me
Lincs., United Kingdom
Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 21:46:15 (UTC)

Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added Rhodes-Livingston Museum Craft Village Brochure along with some photographs from Ken Miller to Victoria Falls section.

Added the following from Horizon March 1966 - courtesy of Brian Barratt
Horizon Profile - Desert Rat to Bishop - Oliver Green-Wilkinson to Misc/Religion
Leprosy Moves out of the Shadows to Misc/Medicine & Health
Boxing article (Mar 66) to Misc/Sport
Single page article - 'Hercules May Join RST Staff' to Misc/Aviation
Another from the Horizon series of orchids as 'orchid 10' to Misc/Plants
'Science and luck made Chibuluma' to The Copperbelt/Mining Index/Chibuluma Mine
'A future for the Copper Industry'' to The Copperbelt/Mining Index/General Articles
'Computers lighten the burden' to The Copperbelt/Mining Index/General Articles
'World of Children' - Photos of children with text to Misc/People
Article about Langley Brown - Chief Reporter Times of Zambia

Regards Ian

Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 17:40:32 (UTC)

I often read Cathy Buckle 'African Tears' site at
http://africantears.netfirms.com/index.htm and I see Eddie Cross has written an excellent article on the Zim economic situation. I would like to contact Eddie as we were together on Course 11 at Gwebi College in 1959 / 60. Cathy's site does not give any contact address, probably to avoid spam from Mugabe's goons. Does anyone have any suggestions how I could contact Eddie.

Cheers - Doug

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 16:45:19 (UTC)

Where are all the Northerners gone ??...
All I have seen today is dusty takkie prints everywhere.....
HAVE A GOOD ONE YOU LOT IN BANBURY....Lucky things!!!!.....

Ciao....Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 12:52:22 (UTC)

NORTHERNERS

May the Mzungus, Psuedo Mzungus, Whenwe's and the VC10er's have a good time at the Branbury Braai and Pee-up. I can't subscribe to this "bash" expression. Have a good time folks and we in the world expect quality pictures.
Beware the oinkers.
cheers Gordon

Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 00:26:09 (UTC)

I have just returned from sinking a few beers with Alan Hogg (another Kitwe born and bred resident of Scotland, the time is now 1 a.m.), Alan has given me a few messages to relay to some of our old Kitwe buddies attending the bash,...... my worry - I have to be at Edinurgh airport by 6.25 a.m this morning!!! Will I remember the messages? you bet I will, but hey, Alan sure as hell isn't in any condition to remember what the messages were to start with. Alan (just in case you check this in the morning, I am the ideal crew man to sail your boat from Scotland to South Africa!)

George Maxwell — Click here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Saturday, September 21, 2002 at 00:04:22 (UTC)

Hello All GNR Members attending the Bash over the weekend.

Have a wonderful time, raise a glass to all of us who could not make it and we will do likewise.

6 of us ex Northerners are meeting up tomorrow night for our own little bash in Fremantle. Well, we had to do something.

We're looking forward to the photographic evidence and PLEASE tell us what Moira's party trick is!!

HAVE A BLAST.

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, September 20, 2002 at 08:46:03 (UTC)

Linda

Only one glass? As you haven't "partied" for a long time I guess you will have to take it slowly.... Will be thinking of you all on the night.
Have Fun
Smiler

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, September 20, 2002 at 02:41:51 (UTC)

GNR Survey

Thanks very much to the 215 people who participated in the survey! Due to the overwhelming response, the fact that the responses have trickled off, and the fact that the big bash starts tomorrow, I have now taken the survey off-line.

We'll have results for you sometime later this month. Thanks again to all of you that participated.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 22:39:38 (UTC)

Thanks Arthur and Elias for the birthday greetings. I was in Joburg Yesterday and my brother Keith and his family took me out to the Boston Grill Buffet in Boksburg which serves 140 different dishes plus as much cool drinks and wine as you can consume for R70 / $6.50 / £4.25. For another R25 / $2.40 / £1.50 you can drink as much draught castle as you like plus you get to keep the glass. Terrific value for money.

I enjoyed all the usual roast meats plus Hartebeest stew and Giraffes neck. I gave the shark cutlets a miss and also the bush pigs lollies which were suspicious looking round brown balls which could have come from any part of the pig's anatomy. What a birthday dinner! It was the sweets of caramel cream, strawberry mousse, apple crumble and custard that finally sank me. I could hardly walk out. Now at least I am not quite so jealous of you lucky guys going to the Banbury Bash.

Cheers - Doug the Ancient.

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 20:52:46 (UTC)

Banbury Bashers - Agenda Reminder!!!

To those arriving over next 48 Hrs in Banbury just a brief reminder of the Bash weekend agenda.

Friday 20.9.02 - meet at bar of Banbury House Hotel, Oxford Road, at 19.00 Hrs and Brasso will say welcome to those present. Then make way by shared taxi's at 20.00 Hrs to my village local "The Three Tuns" in Kings Sutton - informal pub evening with a disco in upstairs clubroom donated by Phil (Landlord). Bless him!

Saturday 21.9.02 - Brasso will welcome Sat arrivals and Friday arrivals group at "Ye Olde Auctioneer" pub in Parsons Street, right in middle of Banbury town centre for a long liquid lunch. This pub is frequented by many S. Rhodesians, N. Rhodesians/Zambians & S. Africans so we will not feel out of place here! Unfortunately there braai cooks are away in Ireland on holiday. Awwwwww shame.

17.30 to 18.00 Hrs (21.9.02) - make way to "THE BASH" venue Banbury Golf Centre, Ayhno Road, Adderbury to party. See U all in the next 24 to 48 Hrs - safe journeys to all from wherever U are comming.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 19:23:14 (UTC)

David,

Thanks very much for that. It's amazing what one can learn when one asks.

Edgar sent me the picture to which he referred, so I will send it to Arthur for posting in rotation.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 18:21:53 (UTC)

Arix
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I agree with you totally - the gals are looking gooood.

FiFi/Tian/Linda
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Hope you are not going to partey too much and miss the Bash!

Bridget
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Got your mobile number and will ring - guess I won't know many people at the wedding reception so won't feel strange having a phone stuck to my ear - will just say it is the latest in earrings, could start a trend. You never told me the news about Neiles - he has had a sex change and is suffering from a total identity crisis ie., he doesn't know who he is, had to find out from Craig on the Board.

Elias
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You WILL be at the bash - remember Dundee is only 40 miles away from here and I have yet to participate in a "blackening" - a tar and feathering for those outside Scotland (usually for a groom-to-be but I could broaden the horizon on this occasion - EG might even enjoy as he will be as one with the chickens!!).

To Everyone attending the Banbury Bash
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Piccies please - have a drink or eleventeen for me - will be thinking of you all while I weep into my champagne glass. Enjoy.

Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 18:11:28 (UTC)

Arthur and/or David Gray

Re the Royal visit to NR. Rhokana Corporation decided to present a gift to the Royals. This was a Copper Table Cigarette Casket. I know this because my Dad made the initial box in the blacksmiths shop before sending it for
turning and polishing. Remember this was all a long time before CopperCrafts was even thought of. For years my Dad had a photo of the casket plus letters from the General Manager of Rhokana and from the Kings Equerry thanking him for his work on the Casket. When my Dad died unfortunately most of his belongings where placed with my three brothers who were then in SA. I am still trying to track this and other things. I remember the excitement of seeing the box in it's raw state and then comparing it to the finished product.
The Royals might not have visited the Copperbelt on that occasion but I remember the Queen Mums visit to Nkana and being one of the Cadets in a March Past. Ken Stappard gave everyone a heart attack as he threw the drum majors mace up in the sky higher than the rugby stand and then to his and all of our delight caught it.
Another Royal, Arthur Duke of Connaught, visited and opened the mine club in 1932 or 33 before my time but on a plague on the wall as you entered the Club. David Thomas might know something of this as his dad was the club secretary for many years and as kids grabbing an illegal game of snooker really scared us well me any way.
Guy Hobbs

Guy Hobbs — Click here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 15:41:02 (UTC)

Hi Craig

Here is the email I sent to Edgar Beckett in response to his request for info on the Royal Visit to NR in 1947. Hope it is of interest to other Northerners!

Cheers

David Gray.

Hullo Edgar,

In response to your request on the GNR for information on the Royal Visit to NR in 1947, I contacted a gentleman called Geoff Mangin who was one of the accredited cinematographers covering the event. He has written a book (now sadly out of print) called "Filming in Emerging Africa" which covers the Royal visit to the Victoria Falls. The following may be of interest:

-Princess Elizabeth recorded her 21st Birthday speech in the gardens of the Victoria Falls Hotel one week before the actual event (The Queen's birthday is 21st April) so that the 35 mm negative could be sent to Britain for processing and be distributed to cinemas round the country for the actual date. This means +/- 14th April for the recording.

-The train journey from NR to Cape Town, where Her Majesty celebrated her birthday at a grand ball in the City Hall and a review of troops at the Youngs Field Military Base, took 4 days so allowing for the stops along the route and the time to 'recover' from the journey, the White Train must have left The Falls on +/- 15th April.

-The Royal Family did not stay overnight on NR soil but crossed over by road across the impressive road/rail bridge. The award was probably made to a Barotse Chief at a ceremony in Livingstone which was the only town visited.
The actual date and duration of the stay isn't known but most likely was on one day only, probably prior to the birthday speech recording.

-Geoff Mangin recalls the restraint of photographers of the day who refrained from taking pictures of the King and the Princesses after they were soaked with spray from the Falls while visiting the Rain Forest. I doubt that any would show the same restraint today !!!

-In order to have enough time to enjoy the visit, they must have arrived on or about the 11th of April. The whole Royal Visit to Southern Africa lasted for six weeks.

-My Mother was a great fan of the Queen Mom and I vividly recall the weekly visits to the Rhokana Cinema, Nkana, where the African Mirror production of the Royal Visit unfolded. I was almost 8 years old at the time.

I hope that this is of assistance to you. Should you require any additional information I can supply you with Geoff Mangin's e-mail address.

Best regards

David Gray.

David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 11:56:24 (UTC)

Smiler
Left your email address behind, so just wanted to say hello and will raise a glass to you on Saturday.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 09:46:49 (UTC)

Hic... 'opefully we'll make it to the bash, but at this rate, we shall have a party all of our own..hic.. here in Tytherington.

Elias
You are going to be in very serious trouble if you do not show up. If Sue, Tina and I can come all the way from across the world to make it, so can you. Besides, if you don't come, you will miss Moira Fenwick's famous party trick and that would be a shame.

See ya!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 09:40:51 (UTC)

Craig....
Thanks for the work you have been doing, I can use my own password now..yahhoooo!!! ....I don't have to keep referring to the hiroglyphics that I had before...

Scarscalp....
yes please, That would be wonderful....
Ali

Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 06:38:02 (UTC)

Scarscalp,

Of course it is. :)

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 05:27:12 (UTC)

Alix,
They are my second favorite "Cat", and it was an experience.
I have some great photos of Cheetah from this reserve. Want to see some?

Elias,
How about taking some Viagra a Prozac a Valium and a large Gin n tonic , you would then also feel good about yourself. You probably wouldnt be able to get to the Bash, but you wouldnt mind not getting there either.

Craigus,
Just checking to see if my offer of Guinness was well founded.

Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong

Scarscalp — Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 05:21:19 (UTC)

Just a little smile to close your day, over heard while visiting a friend in the maternity ward today,

"Will the father be present during the birth?" asked the obstetrician solicitously.

"Nah," replied the mother-to-be. "He and my husband don't get along."
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Night night Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 22:03:53 (UTC)

BANBURY BASH GOLF,GOLF ,GOLF,GOLF

PUT A MESSAGE ON THE BOARD ABOUT 2 WEEKS AGO.

UNFORTUNATLY HAD 2 RELIES.ONE OF WHICH I DELETED BY MISTAKE (SORRY)

ANYWAY I AM SURE THERE MUST BE A FEW WHO WOULD LOVE TO PLAY OR IF ALLOWED.IF ANYBODY PLAYED AT MUFULIRA THEY WOULD ALWAYS REMEMBER HOW JAN JOUBERTS DRIVE WOULD ALWAYS IMPROVE ON THE 2ND TEE.AFTER WATCHING THE FIT YOUNG LADIES PLAYING TENNIS.
MY MEMORIES OF THE TENNIS CLUB WAS THE DISCO'S LISTENING TO "SLADE ALIVE"
ANYWAY I DIGRESS ..........ANY GOLFERS PLEASE REPLY OR TEL 0770 227 6493

Rod Crowe — Click here to contact me
Staines, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 21:54:11 (UTC)

Recent Site Updates:

September 18th, 2002:

Due to popular demand, we have made it possible for you to finely control what name or names is/are displayed in the signature of messages you post on the message board. You can now log in to edit your entry and look for the "Board name" field where you can specify what you want displayed. This will make it possible for you to include your maiden name (for example) in your Names Directory entry, but exclude it from being displayed every time you post a message. It will also make it possible for people to use a nickname by which they are more well known, if that is the case. (Thanks to Scarscalp, of course, for the suggestion.) This will not make posters anonymous on the message board, but has the potential to make some signatures less convoluted.

Craigus — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 21:37:34 (UTC)

ARTHUR and JOHNNY GREEN
Here is an excuse provided by Doug Waybush, i dont know whether he has tested it yet:-
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" I can't go to to Banbury because when I got up this morning I took two Prozac with Ex-Lax and now I can't get off the toilet - but I really feel good about it"
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Happy Birthday to the other Doug (Young One)
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 19:25:22 (UTC)

Royal Visit to Northern Rhodesia in 1947

Edgar Beckett is looking for information on the above visit. He asks:

Can anyone supply information on the royal visit to Northern Rhodesia in 1947 -- that is names of places visited and dates? The only lead I have at all is a photo of the King presenting a medallion to an unnamed Barotse chief in Livingstone on an unspecified day during the visit.

If you have any information, please contact Edgar at <peter AT beckett1940 DOT freeserve DOT co DOT uk>.

Please also post anything you know here for the rest of us to read as well. Thanks.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 19:14:14 (UTC)

Fifi great photos pleased to see that you are weaning them on the right stuff have they set up a still in your back garden yet? and have they brought there Bermuda shorts with them? will find out on Friday.
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Arthur and Elias what is this looking for excuses? never let your mothers know that they bred weaklings, you want to leave me alone in the lions den, where is the stiff upper lips? I shall have to ask Scarscalp to be my minder if you two regnade on me. Remember that old hymm onward NR soldiers. see you Friday I hope .

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 18:23:16 (UTC)

1955--Rhokana Review:

Arthur:
You have come through once again with another fantastic job, I am sure will be appreciated and enjoyed by all the 'Madalas' even if they dont post. There are so many articles and photos of long forgotten Nkana personalities and so many memories of that time.
I know the majority of our members were only babes in arms back then but I thank you on behalf of all the oldies out there.

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 18:05:38 (UTC)

Doug Grewar

Happy Birthday !

Doug - the birthday fairy is currently swanning around Europe so has no time for the mundane day to day stuff on the GNR

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 17:19:26 (UTC)

Tina, Fifi , Linda.......WOW..
Seeing you all together and looking as though you are having loads of fun !!!....just makes me even the more gloomy I cannot be there....you all look fantastic...
Love the sign Tina....you take care you girls....

Arthur.....
your'e not afred of the girls are you?.....(giggles)
Elias asked me for a good excuse not to attend the bash, my answer was......I would go if I were you, otherwise you will have to answer to the likes of Tina, Fifi, and Linda....oh and the one in red too !!..
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 17:06:59 (UTC)

Northerners !

I bet you think this is Fifi writing to you but NO - surprise its Tina forwarding for her - this and one more pic for you to post on the Gnr

This is what I was holding up at Fifi's local station when Linda and Fiona arrived to pick me up. Pic taken in Fi's kitchen. Tina

Tina Linda and Fi

Elias

Have you thought up any believable excuses to get out of going to Banbury ?

Please e-mail me one I can use quickly.

I think perhaps you are right on keeping well clear.

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 16:43:55 (UTC)

To my lady in red the local land lord is conning you if you gave him money, Fifi bares hers every weekend in there and he does'nt charge her a penny.See you all friday Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 15:13:22 (UTC)

From Linda, Tina

First of all we are having a blast staying at Fifi's lovely home with her lively family.

Scarscalp - Fiona also sends her love, had the best evening with you n Debbie n Sproglet Caitlin and your Mum. My goodness we can see how your Mum was the leading light in singing productions on the Copperbelt. She has a wonderful voice. I'm glad we talked her into singing. Hugs. Tina

Bwana Grins:
I am doing my very best to keep your "Lady in Red" under control. She has been arrested twice for accosting the local publican in Fiona's village. Quite dicey, but we did manage to pursuade him to accept money in exchange for dropping the more serious offense of going bare breasted in his pub. Looking forward to spreading her talents at the Bash.

Everyone else:
We shall be arriving in Banbury around 3:00pm on Friday and will catch up with you all then.

Fiona is too overwhelmed with the Texas contingent to post!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 10:56:30 (UTC)

Graham
The photo..it gave me goosies..wow my favourite puss cat, and you had the chance to actually touch him, what a privelage, lucky people.......

Arthur....
Again what a wonderful job you are doing, what is so special about this site, these photos, articles etc, are being shared right around the world, thus in turn brings us that little bit closer together...thank you!!..and of course to the contributors of the photos...wow..you make my daily traverse along the Great North Road such a joy to take.....
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 08:27:27 (UTC)

Ho, ho, ho. :) Good one Douggie.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 06:13:10 (UTC)

Elias - when the Banbury braai won't start maybe Brasso can get the Dore's to light his fire ?

Doug

Douggie Waybush — Click here to contact me
London, England
Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 00:58:04 (UTC)

Arthur,

Fantastic job on putting those panoramas together. Thanks, and thanks to the contributors as well.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 23:28:59 (UTC)

ELAINE
Yes!! What a fantastic excuse. Imagine the commotion with all those Dore's (and all female) under the same roof. Garry Brasso can do away with his rock & roll bands and other entertainment.
Elias
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DENISE
Thanks for the news. Nan Roncone still sings, specially after a few whiskeys. Unfortunately she is almost blind, suffers from Parkinson's disease and is confined to a wheelchair. Her husband Ed, died just before the last GNR gathering which was my excuse for not going.
I dont blame you for not remembering Gina Bird's face, I cant either, but if you think of a beaky nose and a HUGE bosom you may remember her.
Rodger might remember her husband Peter, he also worked for Zesco and was friends with George Rodgers and Ed Roncone. They spent most of their spare time playing snooker at Central sports Club or the Golf Club.
Maybe Rodger remembers Moira Judd as well. She worked for Zambia State Insurance Corp. and hung around with that same group. She went out with Eddie Tarr from Mazabuka for a while.
Yes I remember Hans Stefan well. Wasnt his wife Sonny a daughter in law of Alfred and Kate Ijman (sp?). Their son Peter is still fishing in Siavonga.
Regards
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 21:24:05 (UTC)

Northerners !

Some of you may recall seeing a series of photos taken in Lusaka from the grain tower - close to the centre of the town which were posted on the February message board this year. They were kindly donated to the GNR by Ian Gunn.

Well I made an attempt to join them all up to give a panoramic view. The photos are quite old and don't lend themselves too well to this type of manipulation but I still think they turned out - well interesting.

I did a similar job on a couple of Dave Howell's Kitwe shots too.

Files are a little bigger than normal (153kb and 68kb) but won't take long to download.

A little while ago Colin Baker asked for advice on getting his new book "Wild Goose: the Life and Death of Hugh van Oppen" into the GNR book directory - Colin himself served in the administration of Nyasaland-Malawi from 1954 to 1971 and had frequent dealings with NR when he was DC Fort Manning.

Colin's book is in the directory now but it came with a price to pay because he had approached me, which was a big mistake. Here is the price he paid. Thanks Colin - Arthur

Dear Arthur,

You asked if I could provide a story for the site. Is the following suitable? I am guessing that most readers will know what a chimbuzi is.

Yours aye,

Colin.

When Sir Hubert Young was transferred to from Nyasaland to become Governor of Northern Rhodesia in 1936, he was succeeded by Sir Harold Kittermaster, Nyasaland's eighth Governor. Kittermaster was remembered mainly for the involuntary act of being the only Governor of Nyasaland to die in office. He had an appendicular abscess, was operated on by the surgeon Prime Minister of Southern Rhodesia, Godfrey Huggins, and died six days later. Kittermaster was 55 years old when he came to Nyasaland. He had been in the service thirty-three years, his more innovative years were behind him and he was preparing for retirement. As part of this preparation he decided to see as much of rural Africa as he could before he left the continent. So, with Young's consent, he arranged to visit the Luangwa valley in neighbouring Northern Rhodesia to view the game there. The District Commissioner of Fort Jameson had a camping site made for the visiting Governor, complete with grass fence, flag pole, thatched kitchen, breakfast shelter and other facilities. Kittermaster was an immensely tall man - six feet seven inches before he left school - and the District Commissioner told the sergeant messenger who was supervising the construction of this splendid camp that he was about to meet the tallest man he would ever see. The sergeant was impressed and looked forward to the Governor's arrival. Sir Harold arrived during the afternoon, and after tea he visited the spacious grass and thatched pit latrine which, under the sergeant's supervision, had been specially constructed. As he entered, he was astonished to see that the seat of the chimbuzi had been built four feet off the ground!

Dear Arthur and all:

Since first catching up with the GNR earlier this year, I have noticed the greater preponderance of articles, photos etc on Kitwe over its smaller but attractive (at the time, anyway) rival Chingola /Nchanga "the jewel of the Copperbelt".

In this vein, and to this end, as an unashamedly and admittedly biassed ex-Chinga's resident from 1965-1968, I hereby submit for posting on the GNR noticeboard, if you will, a selection of old 35mm slides scanned to e-mail.

Description: 139 :

(a) Our first (transit) house at 35 First St., Chingola, opposite the HGO leach Agitators in 1965 (thump,thump....).

(b) Our second house at 20 - 13th St, in 1966, with wife Karen and Dalmation (spotted together).

140 , 141, 142: Front views of our third and last house at 47 - 11th St, 1967-1968

143 144: Views of Princess St, Chingola, including one of Copperfield's corner butchery/coldstore (Johnny - q.v.)

Please forgive the blue cast due to a late afternoon shot, and possible film ageing over 34 years.

There was certainly a lot more life about the town in those days compared with two years ago when I returned with our daughter Linda for a brief visit.

Thanks again, Arthur

Bob Allan

Melbourne

Hey Art,

Everyone talking about Cheetah reminded me of last year in South Africa.

A friend of mine works at Hoodespruite (spelling) endangered wildlife sanctuary. This photo is of a male King Cheetah, could you stick it on the board if it is in a recognisable format, and of a usable size.

Cheers n see you Friday evening, when I will buy the first pint.

PS met Tina Magee last night, she a nice lady.

Scarscalp

Hi Arthur,

this is for all Northern Rhodesians ......

Ali

Thanks to you all for the contributions you have just made.

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 21:13:52 (UTC)

ELIAS.

Hi Elias. Roger asks that you pass on his regards to Nan, he remembers her very well and still appreciates her coming to bat for him in court. Also how she stymied the lawyer by replying to his question," have you ever heard a bomb?' , to which she replied: 'yes, during the blitz!' He also remembers her lovely singing voice and her favourite party song which she sang in Swahili.
We do indeed remember Anne and George, and it was thro them that we met Nan and Ed (hope thats right).
I do remember Gina Bird, but I have difficulty in placing her (hope that makes sense).
We have another person that used to work for NMC living here at Kaysers - Sue (Sonny) Stefan. She was married to Hans (mechanic at Dulys, rally driver).
Please give my sisters (Maggie and Linda) and my mom (Peggy) my love when you see them at the BASH.. wish that we could be there too.
Denise.

Denise Hattingh (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Kaysers Beach, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 18:34:53 (UTC)

Elias

There is ONLY one excuse that could (possibly) get you out of the BASH - "There are too MANY Dore's going".

Will you be strong enough to handle them?????

Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 16:59:09 (UTC)

Elias
Be afred, be very afred, for the one you fear above all others is now on English soil, having foiled all attempts to bar her at the airport. She has your address and will come to drag you to the bash if you don't come of your own free will. Never let it be said that you were not warned.

The rest of you, I am now at Fiona's and there is still chance to run...

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 15:23:02 (UTC)

Bash Payment Confirmations!

Thanks to following - confirm receipt of your payments and thank U all. See U Saturday!!!!

Barry Woodrow, Bev Perkins (nee Hawketts) & Jane Allan (nee Crompton).

Judy Drew - many thanks for your e. mail wising us well for the Bash. Sorry U R not able to attend BUT keep looking at the message board after 21st September for the many pictures of the event.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 14:00:07 (UTC)

Fiona,

All in good time.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 13:25:45 (UTC)

ARTHUR

What a mammoth and excellent job! I know you get despondent about it sometimes, particularly when things go wrong, but it's really a worthwhile project and it gives so many people so much pleasure. While 1955 is a year before I was born I looked through it anyway, not expecting to see anyone I knew - until I got to the Correspondents page and there I saw my Aunty May's name (Dorothy Ferguson) who was the Hospital Correspondent. My parents, Jack & Paddy Ferguson, were married in Kitwe in January 1955, so it's possible they may be in one of the Rhokana Reviews. They also lived there for a while before moving to Luanshya. Now there would be a project for someone - to collect and scan the Horizon magazines, which cover all of the Copperbelt, not just Kitwe. Any volunteers????

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 09:17:55 (UTC)

This little message is self explanatory and if it encourages one of you girls who have not bothered it is worth me putting it on here. Johnny.
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I went for my routine mammogram in May. The results were not
good. I was sent for more testing. Again, the results confirmed
that something was abnormal in my left breast.
I was referred to a surgeon. It took a few weeks to get an
appointment with him. They were the longest weeks of my life. He
reviewed all my mammograms, ultrasounds etc. and told me I had
micro-calcification in my left breast. As I had never heard of
this (nor felt any lumps) I was to learn that it can be the
beginning signs of breast cancer.
Breast cancer does not run in my family but I was still
nervous and afraid. I was scheduled to have a biopsy in the
hospital in late July.
The surgeon removed the "suspicious mass" from my left
breast. Again, I had to wait several days for the results of the
biopsy.
Micro-calcification shows up as very small black dots I was
to learn later. You cannot feel them but it can be very serious.
The biopsy results were benign. I consider myself very
fortunate. I have been debating whether to share this experience
with my friends on the site. I decided to do so in hopes
that the ladies out there will go for their annual mammograms and
the husbands, sons, etc. will encourage the women in their lives
to do the same.
If detected early breast cancer can be cured.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 06:43:14 (UTC)

Rhokana Review -- April 1955

As many (if not all) of you know, Arthur has spent a considerable amount of time scanning old issues of the Rhokana Review and has placed some scans here on the message board in the past. In conjunction with using the results of the survey we are running, we are looking for ways to make high-quality scans of these old issues available without it costing us an arm and a leg in bandwidth, disk-space, postage and/or CD charges.

We're going to provide a download of 43 pages of the April 1955 edition from here for a limited time and measure the response. The download is in the form of a single ZIP file which is about 9 MB in size. (To view the contents of the ZIP file, you will need a programme such as WinZip or PKZIP, one of which you may already have installed.) Using a 56 kbps modem, this download will take about 25 minutes -- a 28.8 kbps modem will take almost 50 minutes. Faster connections will, of course, take less time. Once you have downloaded the full file you can view the images contained within without being connected to the Internet.

Click here to download the April 1955 edition of the Rhokana Review

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 06:17:05 (UTC)

OOOPS....
forgot...Tina has arrived safely in Bash land......and is enjoying herself, and last night met up with Graham, Debbie, and Katelin....
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 04:44:18 (UTC)

Hi all from our Tina
chatted to Tina last night, and she is well and is really looking forward to the weekend.....she is unable to post so asked me to say hi to everyone for her..."HIYA"..

Helen
I wonder if the Cheetah evolved from another species, I know when studying ecology last year, we learned about the different clines, and how birds can actually chage through the climate changes..eg colour,and size.etc...makes an interesting thought about the Cheetah....

Elias
I am back..happy and just the same "me" and trying hard not to be monosyllabic....and I am still doing my paintings and loving it.....I am looking for a nice pic of a flame lily...should be a nice challenge.....

ciao and everyone be happy...and safe...
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 at 04:39:29 (UTC)

Neiles Billany,

Please contact me regarding your new GNR membership, which has been deactivated because the owner of the e-mail address you provided says that she is not you and does not know who you are.

Thanks.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, September 16, 2002 at 10:22:49 (UTC)

Paudie & Sue
Lovely photos and best wishes. Sorry I didn't get to see you whilst you were in Perth, beard you're now winging your way back to the greatest Bash ever!

All Attending The Bash
Hope you have a fantastic time. Spare a thought for us poor unfortunate souls who can't be there and have a drink (or three or six) for us. Arthur we will be counting on you to take heaps of photos.

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, September 16, 2002 at 06:00:33 (UTC)

Alix

I remember watching a documentary about two yeras ago, when we first returned to NZ, on cheetahs, they are amazing creatures, and according to this doco it is believed that they were nearly extinct, and that all cheetahs alive today can be traced back to a single breeding pair, hence the reason they are so closely genetically linked, and why their mortality rate is so high.

helen chileshe (née Derham) — Click here to contact me
New Zealand
Monday, September 16, 2002 at 01:42:06 (UTC)

DENISE HATTING
Denise, I have a message for you from my mother-in -law Nan Roncone. She is asking if Rodger remembers his car accident outside her house in Matandani Close? Apparantly Rodger was erecting a fence outside her house and was turning into her road when his car was hit by someone driving a Chev Camaro. Nan dragged him into her house and tried to give him a brandy which Rodger refused in case the police thought he had been drinking. Nan says she had to go to court to give evidence for Rodger.

The old gas-bag is also asking if you remember Gina Bird? She says you used to work together at National Milling.

Hang on she is still gabbering on.... Now she wants to know if you remember George and Anne Rodgers? George used to work for Zesco. He died in the Middle East from cancer a while ago and Anne remarried a little while ago.
Elias
ps. She cant read any insults about her because she is half blind.
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Garry Brasso
Doug Waybush has sent a fantastic excuse, but Craig, Arthur and Heather will be on me like a ton of bricks if I printed it.
Shall I still bring those tusks? Will they be safe?
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, September 15, 2002 at 20:01:42 (UTC)

Hello to all,have just recently joined so a big thank you to Craig and everyone involved.I am currently enquiring as to the accessibility of work within the Safari business within Zambia,and especially in relation to my current employment as a security consultant here in the UK.Any leads / ideas would be gratefully appreciated.Spent 22 years in H.M. Forces retiring in 1996 with the rank of Colour Sergeant.Born in Mongu, where Father was in the Forestry Dept.Many thanks for any future replies.

Jonathan Seward — Click here to contact me
Exmouth England, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 15, 2002 at 15:30:09 (UTC)

Elias G

NO EXCUSES FOR NOT COMMING TO THE BASH!!!!!! U had better be here OR I WILL arrange to have U bodily collected! There R NO colds or flu viruses about at the moment so no excuses, & as for stress, try looking at me mate. I have a 158 headaches (no disrespect folks) to satisfy on the nite of 21st. U want my stress???? My butcher for supply of pork chops for "Sarkyarthur" went bust this Saturday just as I was about to plce a "large" chops order on him for next weekend BUT again managed to pull a trick out of my hat and got them ordered from another supply source. Talk about stress. U watch me chill out on the 21st!

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, September 15, 2002 at 15:15:57 (UTC)

VERBOSE????
Who had the cheek to call Alix Key "Verbose"? He OR she has given her such a complex that she has given up posting more than monosybalic messages and gone into isolation spending her time painting.
Own up and admit you were just joking. Dont blame Gordon Garlick. "Verbose" isnt a word that he uses and anyway I think him and Alix are best of pals after their little spat a while ago.
Elias.

ps. Does anyone suggest a believable excuse to get out of going to Banbury? I have thought of the traditional Zambian excuses of dead Grandmothers, but both of mine died ages ago. I have a few relatives in Cyprus that are on their deathbeds, but I still dont have a passport. Tina Magee and Linda Hayes are usually good at helping me find excuses, but they havent even bothered to reply. Alix Key just scoffed.
Maybe the traditional British excuse for not going to work... A "cold" or "flu or "stress".

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, September 15, 2002 at 13:31:54 (UTC)

Arthur...
Thanks Arthur.....only problem ....I wish it was 3 miles from here where I am.....
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 10:24:56 (UTC)

Johnny,
That 3-month trip down the Zambezi that you made is one of those things that I have always dreamed about but never got around to. I am very impressed. Heather please try to edit and post it for us if you ever get a chance. Johnny you should write a book about your adventures in Africa.

Paudie,
I like your new hairstyle much better that the old one :-) I would never have recognized you!

Cheers - Doug

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 10:22:56 (UTC)

Johnny Green,
Thank you so much that little bit of information means a lot ..thanks........stay tuned..
Sue and Paudie....
Good onya....(just a little bit of Aussie strine...)
nice Photos.....nice couple..
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 10:18:37 (UTC)

Yesterday I started my travels to the Banbury Bash. The first leg was not a roaring success - I flew from Reykjavik via London to Dubai, arriving this morning. Unfortunately, my suitcase didn't ....
At least it's warm here - a nice comfortable 38C (100F for our U.S. brethren)....
I've done some shopping, so I can go to my meetings this afternoon and tomorrow dressed in more than a t-shirt, and then tomorrow evening it's off to Delhi and east India, before turning around and heading for Banbury!

Barry Woodrow — Click here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 09:30:41 (UTC)

Ali Key and Johnny Green

Just to help out a little on your quest to find the source of the Zambezi

Fab painting Ali !

Arthur

Hi Arthur, just a little picture to go with my story on the Cheetahs..

Ali

GNR Power

Again the GNR strikes in reuniting old friends and acquaintances. These photos were taken at a private party here in Perth, Oz, on 30 August. The occasion was a surprise birthday party for Margret Jordaan (nee Miller) ex-Kitwe.

L to R, Sue Forde (ex-Kitwe), Paudie Coughlan (ex-Mufulira) and Buphe Chauhan, ex-Kitwe. Sue and I went out together in Kitwe in the 1970's. Sue emmigrated to Australia, and I went to the UK. In January this year we met up again on the GNR after all these years and are now together again. And very happy too!!. We're interested to know whether or not this is the GNR's first romance (or rekindled romance) story.

Ex-Kitwe muso Noel Daley fronting his Perth band "Crocodile Rock", providing live entertainment at the party.

Noel was kind enough to allow me, as an ex-Zambian muso, to guest with his band on the night. Noel is in the greeny/blue shirt on vocals, and I am in the maroon shirt on guitar.

Amongst the other ex-Zambians there were Chris and Hazel (nee Dutton) Forde, Grace Forde (nee Miller), Lisa Jackson (nee Miller), Liza Miller, Will Jordaan, Kim Forde. All ex-Kitwe.

Paudie Coughlan, (visiting Perth, Oz)

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 07:33:08 (UTC)

Dear Alix I remember Melanie Bousfield once telling me that one of her sons had visited the site of the spring that is reputed to be the start of the Zambezi you could ask her to ask her son about it and pass the info on to you I am sure she will, her address will be in the book, I have got a picture of where it enters Zambia from Angola if that is of any interest I will scan it to you, also for info only I built a boat in 73 and put it on the Zambezi where it enters Zambia and cruised down the river for nearly 3 months one day when Heather has edited it she may send you a copy, pretty boring stuff to read but when on the river quite exciting as you never knew what was waiting for you round a bend and there was hundreds of them, Regards Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 06:48:05 (UTC)

Hi Marilyn
Really nice to hear fom you, Yes I do sometimes speak to Ray Jeffrays, as well as Freddie Alan, Bruce Haddon, Rose Magor, and I see quite a bit of Cathy McGregor, all are fine.
Sadley, Albert Rens passed away in December 1994 always a very special friend to me.
No, not going to the BASH.
I will be thinking about all those that are going and will be having such a ball.
Take care, lots of luv
MAGGIMAY xxxxxxxx

MARGARET (MAGGI) RODD MALAN BARRET — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 06:30:56 (UTC)

Craig,
thanks for the help,to you and all the other GNR's have a safe and enjoyable week-end.
Cheers, Peter.

Peter Nel — Click here to contact me
Quinns Rock, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, September 14, 2002 at 04:30:26 (UTC)

TINA & LINDA

I will be thinking of both of you at the bash, make sure you have a drink with Blackie, ask him if he remebers the 20th September, 1975.
Have lots of fun, I will be thingking of all my friends.
Expecially all the very special ones,
From my heart to all frieds attending the bash,
HAVE FUN!!!
LUV YA
MAGGIMAY xxxxxxxxxxxxx

MARGARET (MAGGI) RODD MALAN BARRET — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, September 13, 2002 at 17:27:11 (UTC)

Alix all I can tell you about the spring which is the start of the Zambezi is that it is in the bush just outside MWINILUNGA. Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 13, 2002 at 14:21:03 (UTC)

Hi all
I have a strange request...I was wondering if anyone has pictures of Rhodesian Teak trees....and any information on the natural spring where the Zambezi begins...
Thanks
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, September 13, 2002 at 09:49:47 (UTC)

Hi GNR,

A great big thanks to all of you who assisted me in getting hold of the National Savings crowd in the UK - have been able to get hold of and have chatted on email to the Glasgow office.

To all you lucky folk going to THE BASH - have a wonderful time - can't wait for the photos and all the "skinner" on Monday. Heather - Have a drink for me!!

Hartley H. - make sure you get into one of the photos please and if Jeans going with you - please ask her for our Northmead Standard 1 school photos.

Mickey O - your 50th bash photos please - am posting off mine to you on Monday - getting prints done over the w/end.

Regards from a very very envious Beth Lloyd.

Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) — Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, September 13, 2002 at 07:12:15 (UTC)

Bridget:
Your posting prompted me to reach for this compelling book by John Gordon Davis."Hold My Hand I'm Dying".

Stuart Cloete wrote in his foreword (1967)
"It is Africa today.
It has the inevitability of a Greek tragedy"...

Here are some poignant quotes...

"And I remembered so many things I had forgotten about and I could smell the smoke of the woodfire under the sadza and the warm human smell and sounds of old servants chatting round the fire in the backyard at night and the wonderful tales of the jungle and of their kraals far off about which they told me, and my heart cried out for Africa."..

and another excerpt.

"It was a beautiful Sunday morning as only Africa can be beautiful in the early morning. Why think that? -dont think that. There are many places that are beautiful in the morning; Hong Kong, the States, a million places. You think only Africa can be this beautiful in the morning, or beautiful like this, because it is your home, because you feel it belongs to you and now you are leaving it. Well its not your home, chum, get that straight, its not your Africa, get that straighter; it belongs to the blacks. And they are going to get it by hook or by crook. And if they dont get it given to them, they are going to cut your throat to get it chum."

Need I say more. It certainly tugs at your heartstrings.

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Friday, September 13, 2002 at 04:38:47 (UTC)

Maggi May I shall arise and reply to dear Johnny and all non-attendees using another Liverpool Tune (Liverpool Lou)

Oh Scarborough John dashing Scarborough John
When you write in the night one thinks: "What is he on?"
Our Mag's not related to the one in that song.
You'll be naughty in Banbury - you Scarborough John.

All who should be attending -
And the list is unending.......
We are sure we will miss you
We'd like to hug and kiss you.
We'll exchange, drinking Lion
Tales to laugh til you cry on
And take pictures of all and of Scarborough John.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, September 13, 2002 at 03:47:41 (UTC)

Hi,
Was unpacking boxes today - as we have been doing the last few weeks since moving into our new house - and I came across a file that I had at school, (Chisipite in Salisbury), in the mid 70's. It contained poems and writings that I found moving at that time and sitting there reading through them today I shed a tear at one excerpt I had copied from a book called "Hold My Hand I'm Dying" by John Gordon Davis.

........."and in the evening I sat at my fire and watched the flames and the coals and the flickering shadows in the middle of great dark green Africa in the night, the noise of the insects and the great silence and the faraway sounds and the shouts of village life, and I smelt the woodsmoke and I knew that never again, nowhere else, was all this to be recaptured. And I was very sad, for I knew my life was changing and would never change back again."

I copied this down in 1977 just before I left Zambia for the last time. I have never been back and I suppose even back then, at the tender age of 18, I must have known that leaving Zambia and my wonderful childhood was going to be a huge wrench, and something I would probably never really recover from. The great thing about the GNR is that I know there are loads of you who will read this and know exactly what mean.

Bridget

p.s.
I also have a few poems written by a very young, (and sometimes quite morbid), Gill Main. I'm open to bribes in Banbury to publish them. GILL, it will cost you to keep me quiet!!

Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 21:40:55 (UTC)

Peter Nel,

I'm sorry, but the .au address you gave me does not work either. Please try again.

If anybody else reading this knows Peter's real address, please send it to me privately. Thanks.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 18:30:14 (UTC)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU MOO FIVE COWS...(MOIRA)
Have a wonderful day today, and hope you have many more..
much love from Ali, Alice, Jade and Leah xxxx

I reiterate with you Johnny , keep safe and well both Linda and Tina......catch up with you girls on the night....!!!

Linda...et al...
Yes I agree with you Linda re the memorial to Both Edmund and Rick..let us not forget them.....

Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 16:50:09 (UTC)

Dear Linda BON VOYAGE tommorow see you at 7 on Frid night
The same BON VOYAGE to my other girl Tina Are you two flying together? but whatever I will see you as well on FRID night but moonshine is definitely out but dont start without me, Love Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 15:32:01 (UTC)

Northerners
As pointed out many times, this website is more than just this message board. It is the sum of the essence of our Northern Rhodesian spirit. It connects us all in ways that are hard to explain to someone outside the clan.

Every once in a while, I am caught off guard by something else I discover on the site. This morning, it is the memorials to Edmund Glazer and Rick Rescorla. I wish I could find the words to express how I am feeling at the moment. Instead, I will urge you to read that section of our site. It will stir your emotions and reach into your souls. While it grieves me to read of the loss of two of our fellow countrymen in the September 11 tragedy last year, it lifts my heart on wings of pride to read in what magnificent esteem these two men were held by all associated with them.

Heroes come in all shapes and sizes. Their love for their fellow man is always at the forefront. They "just do it" because that is the essence of their own spirit. Please won't you take the time to read about Rick on our site, and sign the petition to get the President of the United States to bestow the Presidential Medal of Honor on Rick Rescorla for his selfless bravery and sacrifice when the towers were hit. He gave his own life going back to help others to safety, when he was already out of danger himself.

3,000 lives were saved because of his tenacity and determination to help others. He forged ahead and spearheaded the evacuation of all those people when others were still playing "Doubting Thomas" in their minds and actions. What an incredible legacy.

I salute Rick, Edmund and all of those who lost their lives on that tragic day.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 14:07:37 (UTC)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MOI MOO FIVE COWS!

Looking forward to seeing your famous party trick.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 13:33:15 (UTC)

BANBURY BASH - 21 SEPT 2002.

I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING REQUESTS FROM LATE DECIDERS ABOUT ATTENDING THE ABOVE EVENT AND THANK U FOR THE INTEREST. I REGRET TO ADVISE THAT I CAN NO LONGER ACCEPT "ANY FURTHER" REQUESTS FOR ATTENDANCE AT THIS EVENT AS WE ARE NOW WELL IN EXCESS OF THE LEGAL MAXIMUM!!!!!

SORRY FOLKS BUT THERE HAVE BEEN REGULAR POSTINGS OVER THE PREVIOUS MONTHS ABOUT THE EVENT AND WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE DOORS NOW. MAYBE NEXT TIME WE'LL DO IT AT WEMBLEY ARENA OR A SIMILAR LARGER VENUE. I THANK U FOR YOUR INTEREST.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 09:10:27 (UTC)

Johnny Green....aka Bwana Grins
yes ...you are very lucky that someone from downunder is not coming to the bash either...much to her dismay...just remember to look after our Lindyloo....and dear sweet Tian....
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 08:15:51 (UTC)

My apologies I appear to have fallen down the proverbial mine shaft in my previous letter, do I hear cries of No Such Luck. Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 07:48:53 (UTC)

Dear MAGGI MAY I have recently returned from your old stamping grounds Lime Street in Liverpool and learned a little bit of your history there you are quite famous and they composed a tune in your honour which you may allready be aware of but I will quote a couple of verses to you as not every one will be aware of your fame,

Oh my darling Maggi May
They have taken you away
And no more down Lime ST
Will you roam
For she robbed that many sailors
And skippers of the whalers
They paid her passage back to RSA
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And just a snatch more from 1 of the 20 odd verses in your honour just so you know what high esteem you are regarded there, I can only take a little of this verse out of context but you will see from this excerpt how much they thought of you,

When she hung them on the line
The sun refused to shine
On those dirty little pants that MAGGI wore,
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All in all a great song with a great tune and is still sung with gusto where ever seaman congregate, and I hope to meet your compatriot shortly at Banbury who you affectionately call LINDALOO was this name associated with her stamping grounds down LIME ST or is it just a loving reminder of the times you spent together, I am rather pleased you will not be attending the Bash as I will have enough trouble fending off your friend there but maybe one day I will be happy to make your aquaintance,my regards to you MAGGI Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 07:38:40 (UTC)

Hi All
Like our Dear friend Elias I love to read, read the different articles on Zambia...however, my reading, is a little... how I say it...um....less of the conflicts of the matrimonial whims in the courts...(however I do like your postings Elias they give the lighter side of life a good mention and don't stop!!!!...giggles) ...and just in a mere 24hrs I have read two of the most thought provoking articles..
the first.....
Did you know that the Cheetah is so genetically close to one another, there is no rejection of skingrafts... with such a small gene pool it makes one wonder how on earth these precious creatures are surviving ........

the other article I read was out of a magazine called "Australian Birdkeeper"
it was about the black-cheeked lovebirds of Zambia...a rather sad story also about the survival of these dear little birds, apparently their wild habitat occupies a core range of only 2,500 square kms of Mopane woodland in the south west Zambia , between the Zambezi River in the south andthe Kafue in the north , The species is now probably endemic to Zambia , having once occurred in Northern Zimbabwe around the Victoria falls, and along Namibia's Caprivi strip,. A natural break in the Mopane between the respective catchments effectively divides the lovebirds into two dry-season populations.....(the article goes on to give a rundown of their history and the subsequent exploitation of the birds , in 1929 at the peak of the trapping 16,000 of them were repeatedly trapped in 4 weeks.and exported around the world......to..... how many are thought to exist in the wild today........approx 10,000 !! also the article gives a rundown on the what the birds live on etc....) what is astounding is the little bird has so many potential threats, the resumption of illegal trading, habitat destruction,and more speculatively hybridisation and /or competition with the Nyssa Lovebird.....I was facinated to see there has been little or no research on these birds,...one wonders how many other species in our beloved land are being decimated...............just a thought.....
there were lovelly photos of Mopane bushland and a really nice closeup of the Mopane leaves.. a rather pretty butterfly shape........
Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 07:29:21 (UTC)

Margaret Malan Barrett

Nice to hear from you again, Mags. I do remember Brenda.
Are you going to the Bash? You may see Elaine there. Are you in contact with Ray Jeffray? Last time I saw you, Ray and Albert Reins was at the Northern Rhodesian reunion in Johannesburg. That was a great night. Next day was pretty tough though!

Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 07:15:25 (UTC)

Linda Dore

If you want to check and reply to emails on your normal email account while away from home, go to www.mail2web.com. Just tap in your full email address and password, and you can read your emails and send replies. No registration, fees etc involved.

A very useful service.

See you in Banbury.

Paudie Coughlan — Click here to contact me
Ireland
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 02:50:02 (UTC)

Lindaloo I read your message, beautiful as always, just like you, luv ya MAGGIMAY

The photgraph of ST. Johns Convent in the Rhokana Review was amazing, I see you Marrilyn, I am in front of you, (well I think it's me) and in front of me, I think that was Brenda Bleskly, do you remeber her???

CONDOLANCES TO ALL WHO LOST LOVE ONES ON 9/11 AS WELL AS ALL THOSE IN THIS PAST YEAR .

Its great to see all your postings.
luv
MAGGIMAY XXXXXXX

MARGARET (MAGGI) RODD MALAN BARRET — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 02:26:58 (UTC)

To anyone who cares..
I will be leaving for England on Friday 13th, so please don't email me after that.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 00:47:53 (UTC)

For those who lost relatives a year ago today, our thoughts are with you.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names) — Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 21:14:06 (UTC)

BASH ATTENDEES
Name tags are done!

Just a thought.. it would be lovely to see a couple of photos of your family for those of us who have reconnected after so many years. Maybe you could bring one or two to the bash?

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 12:40:40 (UTC)

Recent Site Updates:

September 11th, 2002:

In memory of those killed on September 11th, 2001, in the terrorist attacks on the United States, we have created an on-line memorial for two Northern Rhodesians who were killed on that day. Many of you already know about Edmund Glazer, but it was only recently that we found information on Rick Rescorla, who served as an inspector in the Northern Rhodesia Police in the early 1960s. Our condolences go once again to the families and friends of Edmund and Rick.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 08:44:51 (UTC)

Peter Nel,

Thanks for your follow-up message. However, now I have two addresses for you, neither of which work. They are:

Deleted

(I feel fine posting these as they are not valid addresses, so are no use to spammers. If they turn out to be similar to your real address, I will remove them from this post.)

I think there are way too many coms and nets in there, but I don't know how to come up with the correct address.

Please try contacting me again, but carefully copy your e-mail address into the e-mail address field so that I may reply to you. Alternatively, you can send me an e-mail directly. Just use my first name, followed by an at sign, then followed by the .org domain you see in the address bar at the top of your browser. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I won't post my e-mail address here for obvious reasons.

Hope to hear from you again soon.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 04:34:27 (UTC)

Barry Woodrow

Good to see that you're going to make it to Banbury. Thanks for your help, and look forward to meeting you.

Paudie Coughlan (visiting Perth, Oz)

Paudie Coughlan — Click here to contact me
Ireland
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 04:22:57 (UTC)

Alix,

If I find a way to weave spells that do housework, I'll give you a price break on the exorbitant fees I will charge.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 02:39:32 (UTC)

Peter Nel,

You sent me a message a couple of days ago about your user ID and password. However, the e-mail address you provided is not valid. Please contact me again through the link in my signature below.

Thanks.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 01:59:51 (UTC)

Linda....et al
Thank you for that beautiful prose...so profound......lets never forget......and may we all be more aware of the beautiful world we have, learn to cherish it.....it is all we have.....

"tis like magic"...one minute I see this bright, glaring red !!!! HMTL and the next gone....the GNR magician has weaved his wonderful spell over the message board....Hey Mr magic (Craig) can you weave spells over our housework....make all the cobwebs etc disappear?.....

oh I nearly forgot...something germane.......I wish upon a tiny star....that the folks from the GNR......have an ever so wonderful bash.......and for our site, make a lot of cash, .......so goodluck for the bestest bash all of you......Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, September 11, 2002 at 00:22:27 (UTC)

Well Hello there all you gnr's
I know I have been lax in writing to the board, but that does not mean that I do no read it.
Firstly Miss. Barnard I promise you I will raise a glass for you!!!! If you should maybe get the chance to come over next may there will be a Mufulira Bash and I hope that it will be as good as the Banbury one will be.
I would like to thank Gary and Paudie for all the trouble that they have gone to make this a wonderful night.
I am so pleased that the entertainment schedule has been printed. That gave me even more incentive to go. It will be wonderful to see and hear all the old songs and dance to them as well. It will be a bit like a session!!!!!!
Once again I am as I am sure you all are looking forward to a wonderful evening. What more could a person ask for WINE FOOD AND WONDERFUL MUSIC FROM AT LEAST MY YOUNGER DAYS.
THANKS TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH TIME TO THIS EVENT.
Lots of love and see you soon.
Love Wilma Henry

Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Netherlands
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 20:47:44 (UTC)

Where will that guy get all that money from every month to pay his wifes alimony? do house servants etc earn nearly half a million rand a month+? and if he does earn a large amount of money why was his list of furniture so sparse the mind boggles. Johnny.
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Heather getting close to hearing your final plans Johnny.

Terrific pics again my dear, there a great pick up for an old timer.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 20:43:43 (UTC)

Linda

What sort of rumours about me are you trying to spread ??!!

Chance would be a fine thing at my age !!

I'm so much looking forward to seeing you and other long-lost friends again!

Barry Woodrow — Click here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 20:11:45 (UTC)

Linda Dore

Your poem says it all. Do you mind if I post it round the Lanarkshire Health Board intranet tomorrow?

Ann Moss (née Papier) — Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 17:48:21 (UTC)

Cheer up everyone, here is a new reason for divorce.
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MY WIFE WETS BED, MAN CONFESSES
By Heather Choonya (Sunday Mail, 8 Sept)

A LIVINGSTONE man told the Livingstone Local court that he wanted to divorce his wife because she wets the bed.

This was heard in a case in which Liswaniso Muyunda sued her husband Muyunda Mubiana for divorce.

Liswaniso told principal resident Christopher Kalowa that she got married to Muyunda in 1996 after he paid dowry and the couple have two children.

Liswaniso said problems in their marriage started when her husband started cheating on her telling her that he worked overtime.

"He beats me too much. One time, he nearly removed my teeth and I reported him to the police who charged him K40,000," she said.

"He wrote a divorce letter to me telling me that our marriage is over on July, 10, 2002," she said.

In cross-examination, Mubiana asked her: "Didn't I chase you because you urinate on the bed?"

Liswaniso responded that was not the reason.

In his statement Mubiana told the court that he discovered that his wife wetted the bed three days after he married her.

He said he failed to query her on the matter until she became pregnant three months later.

"That is the major problem I am facing. That is why I am also ready to divorce her. Any way, it was my responsibility to stop her from this habit," he said

Mother-in-law Muleta said she also wanted Mubiana to pay the balance of the dowry.

The divorce was granted and the court ordered that the couple shared their property which included a mattress, one small radio, one table, 6 plates, 2 pots, one frying pan and one 20-litre container.

The court also ordered that Mubiana maintains Liswaniso by paying her K250,000 and K60,000 for their two children monthly.
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Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 17:38:35 (UTC)

Linda Dore

Your poetry always brings a tear to my eyes. It will be a very sad day for everyone tomorrow. God Bless all.

Gary

Can't wait for the 21st!!!

Arthur

Great photos!!!!!

Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick) — Click here to contact me
Dorking, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 15:51:24 (UTC)

Egads, Woodrow's coming!!
Bar the door and watch your women... he! he! Just kidding. Great to see you are coming Barry. Looking forward to catching up with you.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 13:18:30 (UTC)

Heather -

Absolutely brilliant photo's again, thanks so much!!

Regards
Kris

Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 12:39:20 (UTC)

Northerners:

I hope you don't mind me putting some of my poetry on the board. I wrote this right after September 11, 2001. I wanted it to be for those we will never know, but whom will never be forgotten by the ones left searching.

Dear Fireman Brian:

I am desperate.. Have you seen my husband Joe?
Sweethearts since our high school, more than fifty years ago..

Did someone see my precious, little blonde-haired daughter, Tess?
She's dressed in pink and probably has ice cream on her dress..

Please look again, inside that hole, we're missing cousin, Jean
She came here for an interview, her brand new suit was green..

This photo that I'm showing you was taken at a dance
This handsome boy, the one in black is my fiance, Lance..

Please keep on digging, move that steel, and peer into the rubble
My nephew Tom was jogging here. His face was full of stubble..

This picture here, the one all smiles. Yes, that's my sister, Sue
No, not that girl. The other one. The pretty one in blue..

I can't go home. There's no one there, I'm searching for my Ed
I cannot sleep. He needs me now. I don't believe he's dead..

Do you suppose that my wife, Jean, is wandering in this crowd?
Perhaps we'll find each other if I scream her name out loud..

The lists are long, I've checked three times, I've walked ten miles today
But I am ever hopeful that I'll find my Auntie May..

It's hard to breathe, there's so much dust, but I must soldier on
For underneath this concrete I may find my brother, John..

Our wedding day was scheduled for the 24th of June
Please don't give up, I'm digging too, I know we'll find Ann soon..

Dear Nameless Searcher:

I am desperate.. Have you seen my Fireman Brian?
He never found your loved ones, but he gave his own life trying..

What can I do? I feel so lost.. Should I pick up a shovel?
Perhaps we'll find our loved ones here inside this smoking rubble..

Linda Hayes
September 11, 2001©

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 12:07:43 (UTC)

Northerners
Sorry, I've done it AGAIN!!! Screwed up the HTML.

Craig
PLEASE!!!!

Thanks

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 10:11:46 (UTC)

Northerners

I'm still struggling with all the photographs I took on my recent trip around some of Zambia's waterfalls, but I did have a chance before I left Lusaka on Saturday to put some pictures onto the server. So here they are:

The Luapula River near Mwense
This is right on the border and the palm trees are in the Congo.

Mbereshi
Mbereshi is also very close to the border and this church was built in 1901 by the London Missionary Society. I shall let you have the info on who built it when I get back to Lusaka.

Arthur
Just for you - Sunset over the Lumangwe Falls

Hans Mattsson
Some photos of Mpulungu Harbour, the island and the Liemba (I have all the names and dates on this in Lusaka as well, but it has been in use since 1914 and is still in use today)

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 10:07:58 (UTC)

Barry Woodrow (Iceland) & Kay Oxley.

Am so pleased that U R both able to make the Banbury Bash at last minuite. I have "just managed" to fit U both in! Phew. look forward to seeing U both on the night. Jill Aplin - so sorry U were not able to get a flight from S Africa to make it for the 21st! We shall miss U BUT will drink a toast to all those absent friends who will not be able to make the Bash.

Niana Adams & Norman Kemp.

Confirm receipt of your cheque for the Bash. Thank you both and look forward to seeing you on the nite/weekend.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 08:52:58 (UTC)

Recent Site Updates:

September 10th, 2002:

Added instructions for adding entries to the obituaries page.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 03:30:22 (UTC)

Zimbabwe Farmers Trust Fund

With respect to Ian Game's post a while ago about where he could send his frozen Zimbabwean assets (assuming they are thawed at some point), Judy Drew and Dog Lottie asked my to post this link to the Zimbabwe Farmers Trust Fund.

Post on behalf of non-member

Gordon Clark of Durban writes:

I would like to be in contact with anyone from the GNR board who remembers my Dad, Bert Clark, ex-Kitwe. He was a member of the motorcycle racing fraternity. Thanks very much.

If you can help Gordon, please contact him at <rat2rat AT mweb DOT co DOT za>.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 02:53:17 (UTC)

Well if I could spit spiders I would, the messages and postings about the Bash in the UK would turn anyone who is not attending absolutely green with envy BUT for those of us who cannot be there be assured we look forward to lots and lots of photies, I read the list of attendees and attendents a couple of Muf names there - Wilma I do so wish I were there and Tony Acheson do I know you from Muf????? I know you all will have a great bash but want to wish you the best and dont forget to down a few drinks for those who are not there. I thank each and every day for the GNR message board, don't often post a message, but become quite maudlin when I think of the fun you are going to have at the Bash Love and Hugs to all on the Board - Irene

Irene White (née Barnard) — Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 00:35:02 (UTC)

Database Server

The database server had an unplanned outage today (Monday here on the west coast of North America). This would have caused problems with any functions of the Web site connected to the Names Directory, including logging in to post on the message board. The server has been rebooted and now appears to be running properly. My apologies.

Survey

Many thanks to those of you who have completed the survey so far. I hope to see a bunch more responses come in over the next two weeks.

In answer to a few people who have said they had problems accessing the survey at www.niner.net/go.php?id=10 -- please try again. I had some similar problems myself when I was setting it up. I don't know the cause, but it seemed to work for me again if I closed all of my browser windows and tried again. As a last resort, try emptying your browser's cache and rebooting your computer. If you still have problems, please contact me (or use my e-mail address is you have it handy).

Behind on my E-mail

You've heard this one before. If you've sent me a message, I will answer as soon as I can. Sorry for the delay.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 00:13:29 (UTC)

Hello Folks and especially Starman Brasso

Just been catching up with new and old posters alike! I have been a bit remiss with posting of late, too busy chasing my tail, and chewing the cud, but always a pleasure to read the Board and to see the GNR spirit continuing to soar. And big thanks for reposting the Kitwe photos Arthur, still bring a tear to my eye. Brilliant!

Just a quickie to say WOW Mr Brassington! The itinerary for Banbury looks fab and can't wait. The 'entertainment' sounds incredible and I'm sure a good time will be had by all.

Practising my moooooooooos already!

Ta ta for now

Moi Moo Fivecows.

Moira Fenwick — Click here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 20:52:21 (UTC)

Johnny Green
Johnny, these Lusaka Dore sisters are just as good looking as that Kitwe Dore girl. Unfortunately Elaine married my best pal Brian Russell. Well, he was, until he bought his first car. I think it was a Vauxhal, and asked me to adjust the tappets. The car never ran well after that so our friendship cooled a bit.
Denise married Roger Hattingh who installed fencing and must have fenced most of Lusaka. Even today there are fences with his company sign "Fencit" standing.

I am trying to remember some embarassing gossip about the Dore girls and another pal called Skinny Les who drove a battered old mini. It will come back in a while.
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 19:16:37 (UTC)

To the lady who lives in a remote uninhabited little sea side resort I can understand while David moved there, you would think that his wife would have had a name change rather than go and live in the boondocks, have you any hidden secrets that you have to tell me while you moved there?I'm only kidding you, and welcome to the ROAD Johnny.

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 09, 2002 at 18:08:00 (UTC)

We live in a quiet seaside village , 45 klms from East London SA. Total permanent residents 100+-. Surprisingly there are 6 ex Zambians living here.

Myself - ex Kasama, Livingstone and Lusaka.
My Husband Roger, ex Chingola, Lusaka.
Maggie Gillespie - ex Livingstone.
Dave Oor - ex Lusaka.
Sonny (Sue) Stefan - ex Lusaka.(nee Jacobs)
Neil Hammond (nee Jacobs) ex Lusaka. She runs our local shop.

Denise Hattingh (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Kaysers Beach, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 20:19:30 (UTC)

I am asking for some help in trying to locate a Michelle Blyth from Ndola(till about 1974). Her fathers name was Bill(William?). Mother, I cant remember her name but she had a brother named Alister.They lived in Kenmere Avenue!
Michelle was a very good Butterfly and Breaststroke swimmer(Ndola Swimming Club), I think she swam in La Reunion for Zambia on more than 1 occassion.
She attended school in Lochgelly(spelling?)Scotland and must have finished her A levels in about 1978.
Her last known where abouts were in Grahamstown South Africa.

Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 19:58:20 (UTC)

Debby Scarff:

There is a yearly Reunion of Northerners, held on the South Coast, I suggest you contact my sister Dawn Hillan, see Names Directory, she lives in Amanzimtoti and probably knows..If I remember it is coming up shortly or just happened recently....

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 19:44:32 (UTC)

Debby Scarff.
I can understand your feelings about not being able to attend the Banbury Bash but I know that there used to be a Zambian get together(yearly?). Last year if my memory seves me right was down the South Coast at...can't remember the name of the place right now but it was at one of those golfing resorts near Pennington, or in that proximity anyway! There are actually quite a few ex Zambians in and around Kwa Zulu-Natal as well.

Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 19:04:50 (UTC)

I'm feeling quite left out - there seems to be an awful lot of Kitwe & Lusaka peoples with a spatering of Ndola & Muf contributing to this message board - where are all the Chingola people????????
I am green with envy - all you lucky people going to the Banbury Bash - have a wonderful time and a drink or two (or three or four) for those of us who can't make it.
Hello to anyone who remembers the Brooke clan from Chingola.
Are there any ex Zambians close to Howick in Kwa-Zulu Natal, sunny South Africa. Please make contact - would love to meet some old friends. I get terribly homesick for Zambia.
Have fun at the Bash - don't forget to take photos and stick them on the message baord. Even if you do misbehave, we would love to see you all have fun.

Debby Scarff (née Brooke) — Click here to contact me
Howick, South Africa
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 14:11:06 (UTC)

BANBURY BASH WEEKEND - AGENDA.

Friday, September 20th:

19.00 Hrs: All Friday arrivals in Banbury meet in Bar of Banbury House Hotel for welcome by Gary Brassington. Guests to book taxis (taxi share) to travel to below:

20.00 Hrs: Travel by car or taxi to Three Tuns Pub in Kings Sutton- for traditional rural Oxfordshire village pub atmosphere. Phil the landlord has kindly laid on a disco in pub clubroom upstairs for all GNR’s wishing to partake in village pub atmosphere! Real “spit and sawdust” type atmosphere.

Saturday, September 21st:

Bulk of Bash attendees due to arrive during day. Have arranged with the management & staff of a pub in Banbury town centre that can accommodate & serve masses of GNR’s.

11.00 Hrs: Meet at “Ye Olde Auctioneer” pub in Parsons Street close to town centre for a drink and lunch by all those wishing to attend. Gary Brassington will make a brief appearance at about 11.00 to say hello and have a drink with all present BUT will be leaving after about an hour as will be busy at venue arranging for the evenings reunion! Other Bashers may then remain or just pass time by viewing some of Banbury’s fine old & modern town sites. There is a Saturday market on the day until 16.00 Hrs in the Market square just a short walk down from the pub or return to hotels to have pre venue sleep.

17.30 - 19.30 Hrs: Bashers to make their way to GNR Reunion Bash venue to register, obtain identity tags, chat start mixing/meeting old & new friends.

19.30 - 20.00 Hrs: Fun auction of Zambian/N.Rhodesian memorabilia etc / braai’d meals served.

20.00 - 21.00 Hrs: John & Kim Costopoulos perform Southern African nostalgia cabaret (sit down audience).

21.00 - 21.30 Hrs: Brian Geyser / Mike Thomas perform music to dance to (1950, 60 & 70’s).

21.30 - 22.00 Hrs: Thelma Holland sings music to dance to. Old & new favourites!

22.00 - 22.45 Hrs: Speeches followed by recorded music.

22.45 - 24.00 Hrs: Thelma, Brian, John, Kim, Mike, Paudie & Tina perform selections of music to dance to. Music must stop at 24.00 Hrs to comply with licence regulations.

24.00 - 24.30 Hrs: Guests to finish “last orders” and vacate venue.

BANBURY BASH - LIVE ENTERTAINMENT

For your entertainment by ex-Zambian musicians on the night we have:

CABARET by JOHN & KIM, with a selection of Southern and Central African songs, jokes and banter. Join in as they sing some nostalgic favourites, including "Agh Pleez Deddy", "The Liftgirl's Lament", "Who Killed Cock Robin ?", "Tiyende Pamodzi", and more. The hilariously funny "Zambian Magic Act" will also be performed, live on stage.

LIVE MUSIC for DANCING, with a selection of 50's, 60's, 70's and more recent popular numbers, by:

Thelma Holland (ex-Kalulushi) on vocals
Brian Geyser (ex-Lusaka) on vocals and lead guitar, featuring a set of Shadows favourites soloed by Brian
John Costopoulos (ex-Mufulira) on vocals and guitar
Mike Thomas (ex-Luanshya) on vocals
Kim Costopoulos (Harare & Durban) on vocals
Paudie Coughlan (ex-Mufulira) on rhythm guitar and keyboards
LapTop on computerised drums and bass

and featuring special guests:
Jamie Costopoulos on vocals (Jamie is John & Kim's 8 year old son)
and the GNR's own Tina Magee (ex-Lusaka) on backing vocals.

My thanks to all of these ex-Zambian musicians for agreeing to perform to provide entertainment for their ex-Zambian friends at the GNR's Banbury Bash. A special thanks to Brian Geyser for the loan of musical equipment on the night.

NOTE: THE MUSICIANS SCHEDULES AND TIMES MAY CHANGE ACCORDING TO REQUIREMENTS ARRANGED BY THEM. WE HAVE TRIED TO PROVIDE AS MUCH VARIED ENTERTAINMENT ON THE NITE AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE TIMES ALLOCATED.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 13:26:29 (UTC)

GNR Survey
IMPORTANT -- PLEASE READ THIS MESSAGE

As promised a couple of days ago (in an e-mail sent to all members who have elected to receive messages from the GNR via e-mail), here is the link to the Great North Road survey:

www.niner.net/go.php?id=10

The purpose of this survey is to poll the membership of the Great North Road for thoughts and suggestions pertaining to the future direction of the Web site. We will use the results gathered to direct our efforts into those areas that are most important to the members. The results will also be presented to the membership.

We estimate that it will take you a little over 5 minutes to complete this survey. We thank you in advance for your time. Your input is important to the future of the GNR and will ensure that it remains a site worth your time and energy.

This survey is anonymous (so even if you have negative things to say we want to hear from you), but you can only participate once. If you have any problems or questions, please contact Craig at this temporary address: (deleted now that the survey is over).

We are running this poll through a company called Free Surveys Online. As the name suggests, this is free, which suits the GNR's budget perfectly. However, it is only free until September 21st (which, coincidentally, is the date of the Banbury Bash). We hope that you will take the time to complete this survey before then.

Thanks again for your time.

Craig (and Dave, Arthur and Heather)

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 08:39:52 (UTC)

Elias,

My Dad, Peter Dore, passed away on 13th July, 2000, in Whittlesey, Peterborough. He was strict, but, considering he had 5 daughters I cannot blame him - anyhow, it didn't harm any of us!! Even the darned dogs we had were female!! He was surrounded by females! He was the BEST Dad any girl could wish for as he was fair and loving.

I tried to figure out how you knew my Dad but couldn't put a face to the name - maybe one of my elder sisters can. Sorry about that.

My Dad and Mum left Zambia in 1974 - I think that Dad had his fairshare of the Civil Aviation Department by that stage and Mr Dikshit (I kid you not) who was the 'bwana makubwa' at that time. I remember well a story he used to tell us of when they sent names over to some electronics Company in the UK to make personalised diaries for the guys at CA and the query came back "Mr Dikshit? are you taking the Michael or is this correct spelling??" he he

My Mum stills lives in Whittlesey, although she does travel a lot to visit all of us - she will be with me in SA in November and then off to New Zealand to spent a few months with Nan. The galloping Granny!!!

Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 07:50:15 (UTC)

TIYENDE PAMODZE

If you go the the following link you can hear Tiyende Pamodze, along with other Zambian music, so you can brush up your on your singing. I look forward to hearing it sung by all at the Banbury Bash.

http://www.thezambian.com/Music/default.aspx

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 07:29:16 (UTC)

NEWCOMERS TO THE GNR ET AL.

As Arthur says you should go into the Archived message boards. The month of JUNE 2001, has an abundant accumulation
of recollections and lots of photographs from many members from all over the Copperbelt and Northern towns,including
comments from the infamous 'now departed' Beauteous Matwetwe late of Wusikili, Nkana.

All these stories may or may not be germane to your time in Northern Rhodesia but who knows they may resurrect some of your memories that you can share, or you may even discover long lost acquaintances...So take a look.

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Sunday, September 08, 2002 at 03:59:01 (UTC)

Linda Dore-(The shorter one in Texas
Linda H. If you get some family history from the Lusaka Dore girls, find out what happened to their Dad. He was very strict and the girls had to be home really early.

Usually they were late and they made us drop them outside their house on the road in case he was waiting up. I think Long Linda was the worst for staying out late.
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 19:11:02 (UTC)

Carl Paterson

Hiya mate. I remember U very well indeed. I see others have replied to U regarding Henry - thanks all. The cafe in the Arcade below Edinburugh Hotel where we used to meet for lunch was the Vienna Cafe. If I recall it was run/owned by a Greek chap. The name slips my mind - maybe others could help here????? U take care and post or e. mail me a current picture sometime.

Banbury Bash Acknowledgements!

Maybe I am a bit late or possibly even early with this BUT I would personally like to convey my greatful & MUCH APPRECIATED THANKS TO THE FOLLOWING BASH CONTRIBUTORS:

1) Heather Chalcraft, Craig Hartnett, Dave Cooper & Arthur Steevens.

2) Paudie Coughlan, Brian Geyser, John, Kim & Jamie Costopoulos, Mike Thomas, Tina McGee and Linda Dore. All whom have paid out considerable personal monies in one or many forms as well as made business and personal sacrifices to contribute to the comming nites entertainments.

3) To all those ladies whom have offered to make salads on the Saturday afternoon to feed 150 people. The cooks - Alan Brasso, Sean, Craig & Jamie Forbes and others yet to volunteer!

4)To my much loved children Natasha & Scott, my father Ron, sisters Allyson, Laura and Jane and baby brother Alan (Cookie to some of U) for encouraging me to put aside for the time being my maritial turmoil problem, and proceed with the planning and completion of this event!

5) The others for their advice, encouragement and input - U all know who you are!

THANK YOU ONE & ALL - I DO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR OFFERS OF ASSISTANCE IN WHATEVER FORM AND LOVE & RESPECT EVERYONE OF YOU.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 18:23:22 (UTC)

Doug Grewar,

My brother Neiles's wife, Bernie, is from Ireland, so sadly wouldn't have any news of the "Gough" you are looking for. Have you tried putting a message on the site to find him? I managed to get in touch with quite a few old friends that way. Sorry we couldn't help.

Gilly B - are you still around? You have gone very quiet. I will give you a ring before Banbury so you can give me any special messages for our old Muf crowd. Wish you could come but we will have a drink or two for you, - especially as Gary owes me several bottles of wine!

Bridget

Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 18:12:46 (UTC)

Carl Paterson and new GNR Members et al

Now that you have your passwords you can now access and read the Archived Message Boards in their current form going back until February 2000 - I think possibly some of you may not realise this.

There are currently over 2000 images posted on these archived boards, raging from current day to the very early days of Northern Rhodesia, all donated by the members.

It will take a while to trawl through the boards so be prepared for a long haul but I'm sure you will find you time well spent. Very soon I will be collating the very best of these images into categories and they will be moved to the main GNR site for easy access.

Just to give the new members a taster of what your likely to find in the archived boards.

Edinburgh Hotel - Kitwe

O K Bazaars - Kitwe

Kitwe Post Office - Kitwe

Coronation Square - Kitwe

Edinburgh Road - Kitwe

These images were posted on the April 2001 Message Board - donated to the GNR by June Bohl one of our most revered members. June also posted her story of the early days in Nkana Kitwe - a fantastic insight which will also be given a special page on the GNR together with many others now posted on the GNR Message Board. You will also find fabulous photos of many other towns including Lusaka, Broken Hill, Ndola both present and past, and hundreds of old school photos together with further written contributions.

Heather Chalcraft and others have also taken for us all brilliant current day photos of nearly every town you could think of and some beautiful sunset and wildlife images. There are also photos from the various recent bashes including some people you have already mentioned

Go take a look!

If any of you have photos to display on the Message Board please follow the link at the top of this page which gives you all instructions how to do this.

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 17:38:28 (UTC)

Carl Paterson

Henri is married with 3 lovely children, 2 girls and a boy. He married Lynda Wallace from Mufulira. I visited Kitwe in 2000 and they were all looking well.

Ann Moss (née Papier) — Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 14:50:46 (UTC)

Dick Hobson-Deceased
Maggie Currie from the Zambia Society Trust in London has informed me that Dick Hobson died last month. He was a fascinating man who knew all the folk lore and customs of Zambia.

Dick wrote a fascinating book called "Tales of Zambia". Heather often quotes a lot of his writing here on the GNR.
I was very fortunate to get the last printed copy of the book which Dick signed for me.

Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 13:52:08 (UTC)

Ann Moss (Papier)

Thank you for letting me know about Henri. I hope he goes online soon. It would be good to catch up with him. Is he married and has he any children?

Gary Brassington

I am glad you remember me. I cant remember the person who owned that cafe where we used to have lunch . Do you?
I will look at my photos and see if I can put them on the message board.

Carl Paterson

Carl Paterson — Click here to contact me
Mandurah, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 13:06:19 (UTC)

Carl Paterson

'Pappy' Papier who is attending the Banbury Bash is Henri's older brother. Henri is still living in Kitwe, as if my mother. Unfortunately Henri is not on line at the moment but I will mention your name when I next speak to him.

Ann Moss (Papier)

Ann Moss (née Papier) — Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 11:06:10 (UTC)

Bridget Billany,
I see your brother is married to a Gough. I wonder if she is any relation to my long lost Mufulira friend Harry Gough, or even if she has any news about him.. He also came from that part of the UK. Thanks.

Cheers - Doug

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 10:04:59 (UTC)

Tina....et al
The use of the Southern African cities for naming gold mines were also used here....at a mining town called Mt Morgans....no longer a mining town but just a gold mine..
the "pits" are still there with their names...
Johannesburg, Transvaal, Kimberly,Salisbury....I can't remember off of the top of my head but I am sure there was a broken hill pit as well.....fossicking around the place there were lots of little momentos too, I have 3 lovelly old horse shoes..well oxidised..probably with a story or two to tell.....

Ali

Alixandria Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 10:03:29 (UTC)

Hi Guy

I think that chorus girl No. 5 is Lynnette King not Alana.

Cheers

David Gray.

David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 09:46:47 (UTC)

My first post as a new ex Broken Hiller on the Board.

Hans, Your recent post about the Dowling boys.

I remember the Dowlings in Kabwe. Keiron made a post in May 2001. You will find it in Archived messages. At that tiome he was in Perth, West Australia and on e-mail kndowling@hotmail.com

I am having trouble using the contact me system. Keep getting a message about fields left blank.

Charles Cartmill, I remember the Cartmills well, Jones and Gordon and Sheelagh "Cartmell" who worked at the mine offices. Jones and Gordon were brothers surely; can't understand the different spelling !

Good to hear all news from Zambia. One day would be happy to make it to a Broken Hill bash anywhere in the world - most likely S.A.

Good Luck, Jack Wardell

Jack Wardell — Click here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 09:23:05 (UTC)

Scarscalp,

Are we to assume that's a nappy you are referring to? :)

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 06:16:45 (UTC)

Brasso, Linda, LINDA, Lindy Lou, Elaine, Shirly, Bob and anyone else whos' watching,
Pheeeeeeewwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Cheersnbeerworsnbiltong.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names) — Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 05:00:19 (UTC)

Gary
You should have made that a joint disclaimer on the names game, mate! I echo his apology up front guys. With so many people, we are bound to get some spellings wrong. Just know that it is not intentional, and after a few chibukus, you won't care anyway. Be thankful we are not going with what we THINK you should be called. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, September 07, 2002 at 03:10:46 (UTC)

Two Linda Dores! Mind-boggling - and I wonder whether the lurking Linda also has an alter-ego, deceased or not?

I was getting very jealous about not going to the Banbury Bash, but if the 'other' Linda Dore is as challenging as my friend Linda, watch out guys, you should be in for a very interesting get-together, and I think I'll watch proceedings from a safe distance! I wonder why the other Linda Dore doesn't post on this site?

Linda Hayes - now at least we know that Roger the Dodger didn't make up the 'other' Linda Dore - what I want to know is - where is the 'other' Jill Aplin?!?

Surely I am an original???

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 22:51:57 (UTC)

Carl Paterson

Good to see U posting on GNR. Yes I remember U very well as do the Twins Laura & Jane & baby brother Alan (aka Cookie). I will pass your message onto them. Yes U will see plenty of pictures of the Bash on Sept 21st not too long after the event! Just keep logging into the GNR and do keep in touch.

Bridget Billany

My humble apologies. I have rectified the Billany/Lawson error for U and Wyane with immediate effect. Will 6 bottles of Chibuku do for U! To others on the Bash attendee list - if I have made errors with your names - sorry. Little old me is not perfect BUT I do try to get it right 1st time. My old "gret matter" is shrinking as I get older U know.

Scarscalp

Gotcha! No there are 2 Dore's but one is married (her mum insists on using her maiden name). See U soon mate!

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 22:46:57 (UTC)

How to wear Black Leather
Fashion tip for Arthur Steevens, noticed in tonight's London Evening Standard
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Hmmm. Black leather. It's everywhere at the moment. Madonna has been seen sporting a black-leather number and Britney Spears was dressed top to toe in the stuff at the MTV music awards. But how do you look good in the stuff?
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According to GNR ladies, Arthur looks OK. I think I would prefer Madonna or Britney Spears.
Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 21:59:58 (UTC)

Hi Gary,
How come you have me listed as Lawson - nee Billany? I have always been a Billany!! Married three times and never changed my name once! My brother is married but he's listed as a Billany not a Gough. Can I please be a Billany on any future listings, (you can list Wayne as a Billany - nee Lawson, I'm sure he wouldn't mind)!
That's two bottles of wine you owe me!!
Really looking forward to the 21st and seeing old friends again. Thank you so much for all your hard work in organising it. Are you expecting any specific rewards on the night? Would you like a Lancashire Black pudding - or perhaps a bucket full of Lnacashire RAIN!! There is plenty to spare. Let me know.

Bridget

Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 21:31:12 (UTC)

Arthur,
Re the mini skirted babes from the left: 1st unknown, 2nd Joan Bramwell, 3rd Daphne Galloti, 4th June Trotter, 4th Alana King Sorry I dont remember the next three. Funny this photo as I went out with two of the girls.
Guy Hobbs

Guy Hobbs — Click here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 20:41:13 (UTC)

June

These old sites with tantalising names....there MUST sometimes be more to it than just a copycat name...Even if not - it would be likely that a couple of adventurous young men brought a couple of grains of sand from the old Rand to Johannesburg, California on the soles of their well-worn boots. Do you ever go to old mining places and pick up a square nail and wonder about the person who hammered it?

This is where people like Tony Bruce spin magic bringing the past alive. by the way, who IS this Niner.net who did him such a great website? And yes, Craig, we would suspect WS to be a favorite of many. "The Sunbird" will certinly live forever for me.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 18:50:49 (UTC)

Hullo Arthur

A First for Kitwe!

Thanks for the "Lets go to the Pictures" page from the Febuary 1955 issue of the Rhokana Review. The following may interest you and other Northerners.

The Cinemascope film "The Robe" was the first true anamorphic wide screen film shown in Africa and, due to the initiative of Dave Klein, the Astra in Kitwe was the first cinema in southern Africa to show it - beating Johannesburg by two weeks !!!! I well recall seeing the technical side of it in the projection box and wondering at the massive accessory lens which spread out the compressed image on the film. A good school friend of mine, Ronnie Herman (now Dr. Ron at Stellenbosch University Electrical Department) took vacation employment with a Kitwe engineering contractor and helped construct the frame for the massive screen. The screen was perforated to allow it to be stretched evenly and to facilitate passage of the sound from the speakers mounted behind it.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Cheers

David Gray.

David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 16:32:53 (UTC)

I have been digging around in my memorabilia box and have posted some of my nostalgic Zambian and Rhodesian photos on my web-page.
Interested visitors are welcome to visit the site.
If you want to see Ndola check-out "www.geocities.com/bumbazonkie/ndola1"
or St. Stephen's College (circa 1968) check-out "www.geocities.com/bumbazonkie/ssc1"
or dinghy sailing in Cenral African Regattas, check-out "www.geocities.com/bumbazonkie/regatta"
or Ndola Boating and Sailing Club, check-out "www.geocities.com/bumbazonkie/boatclub"
or, finally, Livingstone and Vic Falls, check-out "www.geocities.com/bumbazonkie/livingstone1"

Graham Ford

Graham Ford — Click here to contact me
Hong Kong, PRC, Hong Kong
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 13:46:39 (UTC)

I have just recently found this site and must say it is an extremly great place for anyone who has lived in Zambia. I have been reading the message board and a lot of memories came flooding back. I remember the mine mess in Nkana as when my family moved to Zambia from Rhodesia it was just down the road. My aunt used to work there.

To Gary Brassington

I dont know if you remember me from Kitwe but I'm sure your twin sisters Laura and Jane will. We all used to have lunch in a cafe under the Hotel Edinburgh ( I think that is how you spell it). I also went to the Ndola speedway with you and we all stayed there for the long weekend. We were the "mechanics" for that big pink car. I have been reading about the upcoming bash and only wish that I could be there. Please post plenty of pictures of the event for us less fortunate. I also noticed that the "Papier" family will be going, Are they related to Henry. I have not seen him for a long time. We both went St Stephens college and he was a neighbor of mine in Kitwe.

I will keep this short but I will also try to contribute to this site with some pictures soon. Again I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to try and find some of the people I have lost contact with.

Carl Paterson.

Carl Paterson — Click here to contact me
Mandurah Western Australia, Australia
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 13:26:52 (UTC)

Graham

It seems that we are confusing the heck out of you!! The Linda Dore listed is actually Linda Neish (nee Dore) and I have no idea (even though I am her sister) why she is registered under her maiden-name. It could be that my Mum registered her and she, being a Mum, has never really seen us as anything other than Dore's. Maybe she could tell us herself as I just KNOW that she reads this page but is one of the 'silent one's' - come on Lindy Lou, take the plunge!

I can assure you all that it sounds like both Linda's are a handful - I can guarantee that our's is always on top form and, from what I have read on this page over the past few months the 'other' Linda could give you all a run for your money with her wit and sense of humour.

Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 13:05:18 (UTC)

Hi Scarscalp!
Please do not be in a flat panic at the possibility of me becoming a double dose of trouble at the bash. There are, infact, two separate Linda Dores. Beleaf your hears, my friend! I have discovered the other Linda Dore recently, and look forward to meeting her at the bash. We bear no resemblance, I am told, since she is over 6ft tall.

As to whether I will get more than my fair share of stuff, I shall defer to those gentlemen who have promised to take care of me at the bash. He! He!

Looking forward to meeting you guys at last!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 12:00:22 (UTC)

Hello GNR
A long time ago, I think in 1965 I went on a trip to Mpulungu, Zambias only port with four other teenage boys and about 80 soldiers and officers of the Zambian army. It was the Dowling brothers, Michael who was about 18 at the time then Sean ( I think he spelled it Shaun), at about my age of 16 or so and the youngest whose name I forget and his friend. The Dowling brother´s father was a major in the Zambian army which is why we could go on the trip.
We travelled in an open army Land Rovers down to Kapiri Mposhi and then on the Great North Road proper to Mpika, then turning left to Kasama. It took all day and we arrived at a small camp halfway between Mpulungu and Abercorn thirsty, stiff and covered in red dust. We were shown the Kalombo falls, one of the highest in the world I believe and a brand new Chibuku Brewery. The major then surprised us by dumping the five of us on one of the island off the Mpulungu port and as he and the laughing officers left all he said was ´survive´. All we had was one airgun and some fishing rods. At the time we thought this was pretty rough but now I realise what a privelege this experience was.We did survive by catching a few fish and one pigeon which we ate half raw, but mainly with the help of local fishermen who brought us Fray Bentos beef and Heinz baked beans for a few coins. I think they felt sorry for us. Michael suffered the most having to do without cigarettes. A peculiarity about the waters around the island is the abundance of the Tanganyika water Cobra which lives entirely on fish but is very poisonous. One or two of them would nearly always appear when we swam in the lake. The first time it happened we all dashed out of the water in panic but after a while we got used to their presens and ignored them or splashed water at them.
The best part of the trip was when we flew back to Ndola in a Zambian Airforce Dakota and Michael and I were allowed to sit in the navigator and radiooperator seats all the way back. The Bangweulu swamps are enormous.
Anyway if anybody has an idea on the whereabouts of these Dowling brothers please let me know.
Hans Mattsson
Uppsala
Sweden.

Hans Mattsson — Click here to contact me
Uppsala, Sweden
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 10:36:26 (UTC)

ooi ARTY!

I object to your reference to the OLD TIMERS - GOOD TIMERS would be more acceptable!

Regards

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge) — Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 05:49:11 (UTC)

Names Directory Entries With Bad E-mail Addresses:

I won't make a habit of posting this list, since it is available on the main page of the Names Directory, but I just did a mailing to all of the members (at least, all of the members who have consented to being contacted) and 15 entries have been added to the list of those with bad e-mail addresses. The full list is now as follows:

Jim Cash
Clara Chanda
Grant Clark
Sarah Coote
Lesley Dalton
Alison Duckham
Lionel Friedberg
Louis Fuchs
John Gray
Elizabeth Halliday
Roy Hill
Al and Terry Jamieson
Kevin Kinnear
Carol Klitscher
Grant Knowles
Joanne Lorriman
Dermot Mc Donough
Charles Mc Farlane
Ian Meyrick
Peter Nel
Roger Pepper
Hugh (Reg) Ritchie
Wendy Trollip
Roger Ward
Alister Watson
Sandy Weingartz
Brian Williams

If you're listed here, you can log in to update the e-mail address in your entry. Thanks.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 05:07:29 (UTC)

Brasso,
Having just perused the list of atendees for the "DO", I have a couple of questions.
There appears a name a little way down the list of a one "Linda Dore", followed shortly afterwards by a "Linda Hayes". Could this be the same person? Is she going to attend twice under different names? Has she paid twice? Does she get double the amount of the special "Chilli Wors" that we talked about?
I understand that you are busy but if you could find time to phone me with the answers to these simple questions.
Thanks
Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong.

Graham Nelson (née I never caught the names) — Click here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 05:04:29 (UTC)

Recent Site Updates:

September 6th, 2002:

Added the long-awaited obituaries section to the Names Directory. This is mostly for GNR members who have passed on, but we will add family or close friends of members if you wish. Please contact Craig if you'd like more information.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 06, 2002 at 02:34:50 (UTC)

Northerners !

First of all I'd like to welcome all the new posters and also all our newest members to the Great North Road. Some of you have already ventured onto this Message Board but sadly most still remain lurkers. As Linda Dore rightly points out if you don't post how on earth are we going to get to know each other? Use it or lose it.

You should also look into the nooks and crannies of the GNR - as Dave Cooper often points out there is a lot more to the GNR than the Message Board.

There is a fabulous map of Nkana Kitwe C1962 accessible from the GNR homepage - This map was digitised into AutoCAD and then made into a Drawing Web Format (DWF) file so that it could be displayed on the World Wide Web - the work of the Founder of the GNR web site - Dave Cooper. There are also other maps of the surrounding dorps - including Ndola - in the Memorabilia section. Dave Cooper has made noises about putting these places on the map by constructing similar maps to that of Nkana Kitwe but nobody has responded with any encouraging enthusiasm - were these places so baladdy bad?

We have plans to turn this web site into something really special but this work takes time and a lot of planning - it will happen and very soon if things continue to go well for us. We will be sounding out the Membership on their views, likes and dislikes as part of the planning we need to finish off. Please respond as all your views are important to us.

Secondly I would again like to thank that warrior Gary Brassington and also all his helpers for the fantastic attendance figure for the Banbury Bash. I also extend thanks to all the conscripts he has roped in to do the menial jobs whilst he's been slurping the beer to make sure it's genuine. You people who work behind the scenes are all very important and make the GNR what it is today. Thanks.

Gary - the authorities are telling you 150 max - now when did you last take any notice of any limit? We could easily sneak up to 200 without anybody noticing.

Now back to some normal stuff - especially for the Old Timers amongst us.

These are image files are a bit bigger than I normally post here - the holiday season is nearly finished and many of you will have your own photos from this year. In case any of you didn't get any time off to go away here's somewhere where most of us have been to.

And if you preferred to stop at home and go the to the cinema

We have a plan for the Rhokana Reviews and other stuff which we will let out the bag very soon - keep your eyes peeled on the Message Board for an announcement shortly.

Arthur

Guy Hobbs

Here's a better shot of the mini skirted beauties you seem to know so well.

Names please.

Marilyn

Now I know why I chased after you. Is that why you were sent to a convent - did it make any difference?

Talking of new posters here's a photo contribution from a new member Ian Game below - I think they are Ndola.

Hi all,

The following photos are those which I think are interesting, the colours are a bit off but there again the original material is rather old so it's not bad considering. I have high resolution scans if anybody wants a clearer version (about 170kb each).

The descriptions are as follows and many thanks to Keith Johnston for the map which allows me to identify the views and places.

- This is where we lived for a while, on Beatty Avenue

- This was taken at the top of Park Row I believe

- The MOTH club, is it still there? I remember my dad going there for a drink!

- This is the school I went to

- A view from the government offices on Queen Mary Ave towards the power station

I think that's enough for now. Any idea if it looks the same now?

Regards

Ian Game

Thanks Ian - some beaut photos and a good contribution !

Arthur

Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 22:23:56 (UTC)

Elias,

That's good news. Thanks. Now, as for what 12 years in a South African prison amounts to in real time... we should be hearing from them again before Christmas.

Barrie,

You're one of the few people on this planet that isn't sending me viruses, so I wouldn't worry about it. Glad you got it sorted out though.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 20:44:15 (UTC)

CRAIG. and all the rest of you,
Profound apologies are due to you all from me, Ive had a virus you see. apparrently Ive had it for some time,but being very ignorant about these affairs, I only learnt about it from a stranger who had recieved it from me and sent me a nasty message saying he was reporting me to my ISP.
My son wiped my hard disc, re-formatted it and we started from scratch again but with the new XP operating system,which required a more upto date modem, which I purchased but we couldnt get it to work, so it went back whence it came. My old modem is now back in and I am back to windows Millenium system. My system (P.C.) has been out of commision for two weeks and it has taken me ages to catch up with your postings. I still have some old pictures from N.R. to post as well as some modern ones, I hope to get around to doing this soon. My wife hates the internet!!
and blames it for many of the worlds problems. We have many arguments about it.

Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 20:14:40 (UTC)

Good News for Nigerian 419 Scam Haters
Good news from today's Pretoria News. This gang was doing it in a big way. They operated four internet cafes as a front. All the computers were always occupied by dozens of the gangsters busy sending and receiving scam.
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By Hanti Otto
The first ever person to be found guilty of racketeering in South Africa - a Nigerian - was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment in the Specialised Commercial Crimes Court in Pretoria on Wednesday.

Samuel Williams, 35, who pleaded guilty to the crime, was arrested by the Scorpions on August 16 this year.

Williams managed the South African branch of a criminal enterprise which operated from a house in Sandton where he and other Nigerians were arrested.

The scam operators would offer millions of US dollars to foreign businessmen with the request for advance payments. The "enterprise" would claim it had millions available and needed these individuals to open accounts for them or to give them money to unlock the millions, which did not really exist.

In return for this favour, the "enterprise" claimed it would pay commission to those people who "helped" them.

The racketeering enterprise pretended to have the support of a profile advisor to the South African Reserve Bank and a lawyer with a Cape Town law firm that did not exist.

During the raid in Sandton, the Scorpions discovered 181 letters addressed to people all over the world and CDs with a US and Canadian mailing list. They also confiscated 16 cellphones, 22 SIM cards and documents.
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Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 20:03:25 (UTC)

Greetings to all on the GNR site. Yet another 'Dore' opens!! I only wish that I could be at the Bash to meet you Linda, but my sister Linda (gets confusing) will fill you in with all our family history.
At this rate of "Dore's we could take over.. Beware..

Denise Hattingh (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Kaysers Beach,Eastern Cape, SA, South Africa
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 18:02:02 (UTC)

Banbury Bash Attendee List

ADAMS, Nina & KEMP, Norman & 2 children MAZABUKA;
ATCHESON, Tony & Jill (nee Smith)MUFULIRA;
BILLANY, Neiles MUFULIRA;
BRASSINGTON, Alan & Theresa KITWE;
BRASSINGTON, Gary, Natasha & Scott KITWE;
BRASSINGTON, Jane KITWE:
BRASSINGTON, Laura & Jamie KITWE;
BRASSINGTON, Ron KITWE;
BRUCE, Carole KITWE;
BUDKOWSKI, Buddy & Sasha LUSAKA;
BYRNE (nee Hall-Thompson), Maeve KITWE;
CANTRELL, Chris & Ada (nee Wienand)KABWE, KITWE & LUSAKA;
CASSELS, Archie CHOMA;
CLARKSON, Steve KITWE, LIVINGSTONE & LUSAKA;
COOPER, Dave NKANA KITWE (had to make the Nkana distinction here!);
COSTOPOULOS, John, Kim & Jamie MUFULIRA;
COSTOPOULOS, Roger MUFULIRA;
COUGHLAN, Eamon CHINGOLA, MUFULIRA & KITWE;
COUGHLAN, Paudie CHINGOLA, MUFULIRA & KITWE;
CROWE, Rod & Sue (nee McKeller) MUFULIRA;
DALTON, Mark KITWE;
DICKSON, Keith & Dee (Nee Dowling)LUSAKA;
DONOHOE, Shamus MUFULIRA;
DORE', Linda LUSAKA;
DORE, Peggy LUSAKA;
EVELEIGH, Roger & Maggie KITWE;
FENWICK, Glenda KITWE & LUANSHYA;
FENWICK, Moira KITWE & LUANSHYA;
FITZGERALD, Val & Len MUFULIRA;
FORBES, Ian & Lorraine (nee Siddle)CHINGOLA & KITWE;
FORBES, Sean, Craig & Jamie CHINGOLA & KITWE;
FORDE, Chris & Hazel (nee Dutton)KITWE;
FORDE, Sue LUSAKA & KITWE;
FRANKHAM, Derick MUFULIRA;
FRANKHAM, Shaun MUFULIRA;
GAYTHER (nee Ferguson), Fiona LUANSHYA;
GEORGOPOLOUS, Elias PETAKUE, KABWE & LUSAKA;
GEYSER, Brian & Julia LUSAKA, KITWE & CHINGOLA;
GORDON, Ronnie & Sheila (nee Cronin)LUSAKA;
GREEN, Johnny CHINGOLA (all over place too);
GRIFFITHS (nee Martin), Kim KITWE;
HALL, Barry (Blackie)KITWE;
HALL, Doug & Lorna MUFULIRA;
HALL, Len MUFULIRA;
HAYES (nee Dore), Linda KITWE;
HEATON, David & Gill LUSAKA;
HEATON, Hartley & Sue (nee Bornman)LIVINGSTONE & LUSAKA;
HINTON, Shirley & Terry KITWE (?);
HOBBS, Guy & son WARR, James KITWE;
HOLLAND, Thelma & Cor KITWE;
HULL, Wendy (nee Vercueil)KITWE;
KENNY, Des KITWE;
KYLE, Laura & Nicole MUFULIRA;
LAING, Bill NDOLA, LIVINGSTONE, LUSAKA;
LAWSON (nee Billany), Bridget & Wyane MUFULIRA;
LEROUX, Mara CHINGOLA;
MAGEE (nee Wallace), Tina LUSAKA;
MAHADY, Betty, David & Lesley KITWE, BANCROFT, LUANSHYA;
MAIN, David NDOLA & LUSAKA;
MARTIN (nee Griffiths), Marianne KITWE;
MAXWELL, George KITWE;
McENRY, Pat MUKUSHI;
McGLOUGHLAN, Samantha & Jamie MUFULIRA, KITWE & BANCROFT;
McGLOUGHLIN (nee Torrance), Barbara MUFULIRA, KITWE & BANCROFT;
MILLER, Brian & Celia (nee Kriek)LUSAKA;
MILWARD (nee Lackenby), Jacqui KABWE;
MORIATY, Mike & Pia QUEENSTOWN, S. AFRICA (special guests of the host Brasso);
MOOY, Adrian KITWE;
NASH, Adrian & Cindy MUFULIRA;
NEL, Nick & Rita MUFULIRA;
NELSON, Graham & Debbie CHINGOLA;
PAPIER, Frank (son of Pappy) KITWE;
PAPIER, Pierre (Pappy) & Shirley KITWE;
POWELL, Mark & Liz CHINGOLA;
POWELL, Ryan & Georgina CHINGOLA;
RITCHIE, Steve MUFULIRA;
ROSEWARNE, Rick MUFULIRA;
SAMARAS, John NDOLA;
SAMARAS, Lisa MUFULIRA;
SAMARAS, Sharon MUFULIRA;
SEWLEY (nee Longman), Dianne KITWE;
SHONE, Kevin (T.B.C.)KASAMA, KABWE & NDOLA;
SPENCER, Tony MUFULIRA, LUSAKA & NDOLA;
STEEVENS, Arthur KITWE(A GNR BAAS/BWANA);
TAIT, Tony MUFULIRA;
THOMAS, Mike LUANSHYA;
TOWLER, Sarah UK (partner of Eamon Coughlan);
TRING, Bob & Liz LUSAKA;
TYRER, Chris, Brenda & Kirsten LUSAKA;
WALL, Graham & Fiona (nee Whaits)CHINGOLA;
WALL, Wilma & Husband MUFULIRA;
WALLACE, Sparky MUFULIRA;
WEBB, David & Val MUFULIRA;
WEBBER, Anton MUFULIRA;
WILD, Jack LUSAKA;
WILSON, Mike KITWE;
WINTERBURN, Barry & Annie (nee Teicher) MUFULIRA;
ZDYB, Craig & Michelle LUSAKA;

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 17:02:04 (UTC)

Shamus Donohoe.

Confirm receipt of your payment for the Bigger Banbury Braai Bash and thank you. Look forward to meeting U soon.

There are still about 14 people who have not yet sent me there payments. Please forward to me urgently or do I have to name & shame!

Ummmmmmmmm - do U all want me to post a list of who is attending the Banbury Bash OR do I wait and suprise U all on the night! Hee hee - sadistic me!

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 16:17:14 (UTC)

Linda and Tina:

By request of Linda for more postings I have something to share. Back in July Tina mentioned having found a place on the map of Nevada USA named Transvaal, site of an old mining town. So I thought this may be interesting for some.
In California we have a Randsburg and a Johannesburg both sites of old deserted Gold mining towns, together they are just north of the City of Los Angeles on Highway 395. This is way out in a desolate hot wind blown area of the high desert. Nothing much there anymore apart from the names on the Hwy signs and a little building with old photographs from the early gold mining days in the Mojave Desert. An old timer desert dweller told us they took on the names from the South African gold mines.
June.

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 15:26:49 (UTC)

Greeting everyone on the GNR Site - here is the next 'Dore' opening!!! I can just imagine the Banbury Bash - soo many 'Dore's' you won't know whether you are coming or going.

I felt very guilty about sitting in the 'wings' reading everyone's postings, so I took Lindy Lou's advice and here I am! I agree with you Lindy Lou, all those people should post a note. I have spent a few months ready the Message Board on a regular basis - you have all made me smile a lot as your friendly banter goes back and forth.

Keep it up.
Regards

Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 12:28:04 (UTC)

Dear Linda despite your threats about ID tags I am not walking round with a large sandwich board round my neck that warns the young ladies of Banbury that they approach me at there peril, just because you want me for yourself.
As for resurections at Banbury I hope you had me in view for one.
Love Johnny.
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Tina I loved that bit As one Doore opens, I wonder does the other ever close?

John Green — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 05, 2002 at 08:42:41 (UTC)

First thank you for the poem an African Soul it is truly beautiful.

Secondly if anyone is interested I was sent this site http://www.johannesburgsummit.org/ covering the recent World Summit in Johannesburg.

Steven and Margaret de Lange (née (wife) Margaret Charles) — Click here to contact me
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 23:17:18 (UTC)

Lindy Lou Dore

Don't you be rude now about my dear long lost Polish relative Elias. Admittedly he doesn't get lost for long enough but he is very faithful about collecting his part of the monthly family check.

The other Lindy Lou should post too - then we could make jokes about one Dore opening as another closes.....Oh, I forgot, you're like me, you never close (CRUNCH!!!)... oWWWWWWWW! My skull! That baladdy 2 x 4 came out of NOWHERE.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 23:14:31 (UTC)

Ian
We are always hungry for photos. Look at the instructions for sending photos to be posted on the GNR. There is a link that gives you the info. Looking forward to enjoying what you have to show us. By the way, I would watch that Elias Georgopollous. He has swindled half the GNR out of their life savings so far...he!he! Just kidding..

BASH ATTENDEES
I am finalizing the name tags for the bash. Now is the time to tell me if you want something different than what we have for you. In most cases, I have been kind, but anyone who has given me a hard time recently will be at my mercy as far as their name reads... he! he! I am flying over on Friday 13th. Great start... GULP.

Question
How come there are close to 600 names on the Names Directory, and yet less than 10% of that number are posting? How on earth do we get to know each other if nobody is posting. Believe it or not, everyone has something of interest to share. I just found out in the last week that there will be two Lindy Lou Dore's at the bash. It is indeed a small world. Looking forward to meeting the other Dore. Glad to be in contact with Elaine Russell and find out about the other Linda Dore.

Oh.. and just for those in the know.. do not be surprised if a miraculous ressurection takes place in Banbury. UH!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 22:59:27 (UTC)

Elias -

I'm not sure what it is either ...

'Cept I did it

Kris

Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 13:02:46 (UTC)

Tina, Heather, Linda,

Thanks to all for the helpful response, I'm just chasing up some of these right now and will let you know the outcome ASAP.

Linda, thanks for the note about the Banbury gathering, as it happens I don't live a million miles away (Leighton Buzzard, you must have heard of it!), but I'm busy during that time, sorry.

Regarding my history, I can not recall a lot from that time as it is so far back and I was only in short trousers then, but, I have also dug out a load of slides from that time and am in the process of scanning them in to the computer. If anybody's interesed, I can post a few up here for comment. I'm in touch with Keith Johnson about a street map as I'd love to place the pictures on the overall scheme of things. Anybody recall me, my brother Ricky or a good friend of mine Nicky Arnold (his father worked for the local paper I recall).

Well, I look forward to the debate.

Ian

Ian Game — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 10:19:00 (UTC)

Sorry Tina and Ian The excitement of getting my hands on Ian's cash confused me. Here is the address. Please copy and paste:-

http://www.zwnews.com/involved.cfm

Elias

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 08:12:42 (UTC)

Tina Magee & Ian Game
Thanks for the prod Tina. Ian have a look at this site, it has quite a few organisations that are all reputable. You can also get a daily Zimbabwe news update on request.

Why dont you just withdraw the money and buy foreign exchange on the black market? This is the only way to get money out and all the major banks and government organisations do it.
Regards
Elias.
ps. If all else fails, I can give you the bank account number of a very reputable, honest, charity in Harare. It is in my name, but since it is so reputable, the administration and management fees are very high. Accounts and receipts can be produced on request.

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 08:09:47 (UTC)

Jill,

Thanks very much. I'll pass along your suggestion. That is quite the coincidence.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 05:50:10 (UTC)

Hi Craig,

Re Carol Doyle. This is so weird, but I know her mother is in Joburg because I met her about three weeks ago when out to lunch at a restaurant. Unfortunately I have no idea how to contact her as it was just a chance meeting of two people from Kitwe and she asked me if I knew her daughter Carol Doyle - well I think it must be the same people.

Anyway, there is a very widely read popular magazine here called YOU Magazine and it has a section called "Desperately Seeking" where you can try and find 'lost' people. The email address is seeking@you.co.za and I would definitely recommend trying that route as the magazine is so popular. You can view previous collumns at www.you.co.za

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin) — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 05:13:25 (UTC)

Doug Grewar
You caught me completely off guard with your posting. I am very touched and thank you for this. It made my day. Unfortunately I cannot lay claim to anything so beautiful as the poem you mention. But you have left me with a warm glow tonight. "I see you, friend."

Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 01:46:01 (UTC)

A Lie to Comfort the Dying
By Anthony Bruce

Many of you are probably familiar with GNR member and fiction author Tony Bruce who has contributed to the GNR by writing an account of his involvement in "Operation Noah". He has a very nice-looking Web site (even if I say so myself) at www.glendambo.com, through which you can order his books.

I had the pleasure of meeting Tony back in May at a reunion for Chingolans here in the Vancouver area of Canada, where I also bought his most recent book titled A Lie to Comfort the Dying. I haven't read his other two books yet, but I've been told they are just as good. I promised Tony that when I finished reading A Lie I would post my thoughts here on the GNR message board. Fortunately for me I didn't promise to do it right away, as I finished the book in early June.

A professional book reviewer I am not, but I do enjoy reading and I particularly enjoy novels that weave historical fact into the fabric of their story. (It's a big part of the reason I like an author whose initials are WS, but I know Tony doesn't like to be compared to other authors, so I won't.) You can read a synopsis of A Lie on Tony's site, so I won't reveal much more here. A Lie is an excellent book -- I thoroughly enjoyed it and was kept in suspense until the last page (which is not usual for me).

Even flipping back through the pages now, three months later, I find myself drawn back into the story, a story which spans several countries and continents and entwines the lives of a dozen or so characters. Tony has apparently done considerable research to bring his novel and its characters to life, and I think it has paid off.

The novel starts by giving us some back story about why the protagonist is the way he is, and why he has chosen (or been forced into) a career as an assassin. The story evolves to play out the "game" between the stalking assassin, his quarry, and the supporting cast on both sides. Along the way personal, political and diplomatic relationships complicate matters and add to the tension.

If international drama mixed with conspiracies and a smattering of references to actual events is up your alley, then I strongly recommend you get this book from Tony.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 01:22:34 (UTC)

Ian Game

Here's some info which you may choose to use. I go through World Vision which I have always found to be a pretty responsible organisation. Their Harare office phone is - your international code plus 263-4-301715. At the time of this posting it was 2.28 a.m. so I couldn't phone them but using the U.S. international code plus the above number seemed to get a good local ring. Their address is Box 2420, Harare, Zim, and they also use P O Box 3576.

By all means email me if you need further help.

You are making a really cool offer Ian!!!!!

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 23:31:28 (UTC)

Elspeth
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Whoops, sorry spelt your name incorrectly last time. Drop me a note if you want me to get a telephone number for you -it's 0026 hrs here - what ho, damn inconvenient of the Royal Mail not to have a 24-hour service in operation. This is just not cricket!! Will make sure Queenie is duly notified, tee hee.

Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 23:28:13 (UTC)

Can you help these people?

I am posting the following two messages on behalf of non-members who are seeking a couple of missing people. If you can help them, please contact them directly at the e-mail addresses provided. (You'll have to reconstruct the e-mail addresses into the proper format in your e-mail programme.)

From Geoff Dodd:

I have been given the task of trying to locate the daughter of Terry Doyle recently deceased in Zimbabwe. Any help would be appreciated. It's a long shot as the only details I have are:

Carol (née Doyle), born Zambia (approximately 1967/68), lived in Salisbury approximately 1972-79, moved to SA (Johannesburg?), now married with two children (married name unknown), father's name Terry (from the Que Que area), mother's name Denise.

Please contact Geoff at <geofforia AT hotmail DOT com> if you have any information that may be of assistance to him.

From Stephne Harrison:

My name is Stephne Harrison and I am trying to trace my father. His name is Christian Johannes Wepener, born 25th May, 1940, in Que Que / Bulowayo. His father is Peter Earnest Wepener and mother Maria Gerturde Johannes Wepener.

Christian married my mother, Susan Jacquline Ewens, sometime in 1967/68. I (Stephne Cavell Wepener) was born 27th March, 1968. I have not had the opportunity to meet my father Christian Johannes Wepener in a capacity in which I can remember him and would love any help anyone can give me as I would love to find and meet him.

I am very grateful for any help that may help me trace/find my dad. Many thanks and warmest regards.

Please contact Stephne at <stephne DOT harrison AT talk21 DOT com> if you have any information that may be of assistance to her.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 23:17:47 (UTC)

Elsbeth
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You might have got in touch already but if not just tried directory enquiries here for the number- nothing coming up but if your ring Swansea BT Customer Services Tel. 0845-7740740 (that's dialling from Scotland) they will be able to help you - only open during office hours.

Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 23:10:08 (UTC)

Motorcycling

Forgive me if this link has already been posted, but I happened across it today. Chirundu.com has some pictures of motorcycle racing in Rhodesia at www.chirundu.com/history/oldphotos.htm -- just page down a bit to see the link. There are 15 black-and-white pictures there.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 21:01:15 (UTC)

Hi,

I have really enjoyed reading messages and recognizing names from the time I lived in Kitwe. My sister Margie who lives in Johannesburg visited with me a few days recently and we had fun looking up names, Marilyn Shooter (nee Noall), Guy Hobbs, Louis Fuchs, just to name a few.

Does anyone remember the Lesch Family, the Ludlow Family?

Thanks. Bye.

Maureen Harrison (nee Steyn)

Maureen Harrison (née Steyn) — Click here to contact me
Cape Town, Cape Province, South Africa
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 20:38:07 (UTC)

Not many poems interest me, but this one which is doing the rounds by email brought a tear to my eye. It is beleived to have been written by a southern African expat with a longing for his home.

African Soul

Within my Soul, within my mind,
there lies a place I cannot find.
Home of my heart. Land of my birth.
Smoke colored stone and flame colored earth.
Electric skies, shimmering heat.
Blood red clay beneath my feet.
At night when I a finally alone,
I close my eyes and I am home.
I kneel and touch the blood warm sand,
and feel the pulse beneath my hand.
Of ancient life too old to name,
in an ancient land too wild to tame.
How can I show you what I feel?
How can I make this essence real?
I search for words in dumb frustration,
to try and form some explanation,
but how can heart and soul be caught,
in one dimensional written thought?
If love and longing are a ‘fire’,
and man is ‘consumed’ by his desire,
Then this love is no simple flame,
that mortal thought can hold or tame,
as deep within the Earth’s own core,
the love of home burns evermore.
But what is home, I hear them say.
This never was yours anyway!
You have no birthright to this place,
descendant of another race!
An immigrant? A pioneer?
You are no longer welcome here.
Whoever said that love made sense?
‘I love’ is an ‘imperfect’ tense.
To love in vain has been man’s fate,
from history to the present date.
I have no grounds for dispensation,
I know I have no home or nation.
For just one moment in the night,
I am complete, my soul takes flight.
For just one moment, then its gone,
and I am once again undone.
Never complete. Never whole.
White skin….and an African soul.

Was it you, Linda Dore who posted that Hopi Indian prayer 'Do not stand at my grave and weep,' that I aso found very touching.

Linda, may I dedicate the above poem to you because I know you have a poetic soul.

I think the Neil Diamond song, "I am, I said," holds a lot of meaning for our GNR people. The song tells of someone who has moved from one side of the USA to the other and says, the new place is fine, but its not home, while home is not mine anymore.

Cheers - Doug

Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 19:45:15 (UTC)

Banbury Bash Payment Confirmations.

Payments received from following - thank you.

Wendy Hull (nee Vercueil); Mrs P. E. Dore; Len Hall & Derick Frankham.

Thank U all.

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 19:12:28 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

This is my first post here (of many more I hope) and I have a question please.

Briefly my history is this: I went to Bulawayo when I was 5 in 1958, then we moved to Ndola and left just before independence in 1964. Whilst in Southern Rhodesia my father (sadly recently deceased), purchased a house which was subsequently sold and the money is now in a bank in Zimbabwe. As you are all no doubt aware, it is not possible to extract that money (and it is not worth a lot either!) to the UK. So my question is; does anyone know the contact details of a charity such as Save the Children, Oxfam etc in Zimbabwe so I can arrange for the money to go to them directly?

I have tried doing it from this end (UK) with no luck at all (they seem to have no idea about money movements).

Thanks in advance.

Ian Game

Ian Game — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 18:19:09 (UTC)

Elias,

I won't presume to answer for Heather, but the September issue of "The Lowdown" is now up and has been for almost ten hours at this writing. There was some miscommunication between NinerNet and the company that designs her Web site that caused the delay.

Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 16:36:18 (UTC)

Why is The "Lowdown" late??? Heather??

Elias Georgopoullos — Click here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 08:08:15 (UTC)

All Readers:

We often feel there is nothing we can do that makes a difference to the horrors playing out around us. Still we cannot give up since inaction takes a greater toll.

Would everyone reading this consider taking a second to cut, paste and follow the url below. Thank you.

http://web.amnesty.org/web/zimbabwe.nsf/stoptorture

To the owners and administrators of the GNR - as the content is germane to your huge readership, humanitarian rather than political and time sensitive - I hope this is OK with you on this occasion.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 at 03:50:07 (UTC)

To all!

I am looking for old photo's of Monkey Fountain in Ndola, I'd really appreciate it if anyone who has any could either post them here or send them directly to me.
Thanks

Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Ndola, Zambia
Monday, September 02, 2002 at 19:12:35 (UTC)

Elspeth

I would be happy to help you find an address in the UK. Email me if you need me. Alternatively, you can go onto a website www.192.com where you would be able to look up uk addresses and phone numbers. Also, the www.royalmail.com have an address finder.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, September 02, 2002 at 13:17:18 (UTC)

Guy
It will be great seeing you at the Banbury Bash. So glad you confirmed that one of the girls in the photo at the dance was Francis Carlisle. Nice to see her Mom and Dad in the pics taken at the opening of the convent at Kitwe.
Chris and Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Monday, September 02, 2002 at 10:10:48 (UTC)

Hi Elspeth
If you are trying to find a phone number in the UK go to www.bt.com/directory-enquiries you should be able to find what you are looking for.
Your Birthday celebrations sounded great!!! Life after 50 just gets better!!!
Chris and Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) — Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Monday, September 02, 2002 at 10:04:01 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the wishes. I feel every bit of the 50 years after a four o'clock in the morning - followed by a braai yesterday that ended in the wee hours of this morning - but - the good news is, we're off to Sun City for a week to recuperate.

Charlie C - missed you and Tess, but we'll try again for the 60th. Paul Pepperill came too - still haven't heard from Nigel as to whether he's coming up!!!!!! Missed you too Wayne!

Heather - see you soon?

Mickey C - Eric and Linn Majoor came to the party - Eric looks absolutely amazing - hasn't changed a bit.

Post Office - Paisland. Bishopstone, Swansea, Glamorgan.

Could someone in Wales look up a phone number and/or address for me - Thanks

Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) — Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, September 02, 2002 at 06:44:45 (UTC)

Hello Arthur

Great pictures, once again!
I was at the opening of St John's. Anyone recognise the little girl holding up her dress?

Jillian Charlton looked very 'cool' playing the guitar. Wonder where she is today?

Clive and I would like to contact Mike Hartley. Has anyone been in contact with him, or his sister Barbara?

Guy Hobb,I remember the Schmidt's well. We used to visit the Schmidt's often. Do you remember the Ferreira's?

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, September 02, 2002 at 05:51:14 (UTC)

Arthur,
Some really special new photo's. I worked at Leslie Pollack house 64 to 67 and remember the staircase well. One of my Mates at that time ( we worked in the Computer Department with Alan Garden, Tim McGovern, Taffy Hewson, Alan Lintot and many others) was John L'ange. It is his dad Rex who became the Finance Minister inthe Federal Government. They stayed on the corner of 11 Ave and we lived behind them at 12-1`2th Avenue.
Loved the wedding picture. Both Ina Lendrum and Joy Curtis were in my class at what was then FKS.
I remember that someone at the GNR was trying to find out things about Bill Crouch, well you had him in the front with the hat on in a previous picture.
Funny story. We lived in the UK next to a couple with small kids called the Fretwells for 6 years before we made an extra ordinary discovery. There daughter one day told my kids that her Dad also came from Africa. On asking him about this he confessed to having been born in a place no one (HE WAS SURE) had ever heard of. A place called Kitwe in a place now called Zambia. It transpired that I knew his Dad from the smelter when I used to check on the big exhaust fans in my role as a Ventilation Officer. You talk about a small world. However this does happen to me a lot in various places.
Guy

Guy Hobbs — Click here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 20:51:08 (UTC)

Arthur,
Some really special new photo's. I worked at Leslie Pollack house 64 to 67 and remember the staircase well. One of my Mates at that time ( we worked in the Computer Department with Alan Garden, Tim McGovern, Taffy Hewson, Alan Lintot and many others) was John L'ange. It is his dad Rex who became the Finance Minister inthe Federal Government. They stayed on the corner of 11 Ave and we lived behind them at 12-1`2th Avenue.
Loved the wedding picture. Both Ina Lendrum and Joy Curtis were in my class at what was then FKS.
I remember that someone at the GNR was trying to find out things about Bill Crouch, well you had him in the front with the hat on in a previous picture.
Funny story. We lived in the UK next to a couple with small kids called the Fretwells for 6 years before we made an extra ordinary discovery. There daughter one day told my kids that her Dad also came from Africa. On asking him about this he confessed to

Guy Hobbs — Click here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 20:51:00 (UTC)

BANBURY BRAAI BASH - 21ST SEPTEMBER.

LADIES & GENTS PLEASE NOTE THAT THE BASH IS NO CLOSED FOR ANY FURTHER APPLICATIONS/REQUESTS TO ATTEND ON THIS EVENT! WE HAVE REACHED THE 150 LEGAL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO IS ATTENDING FOR THEIR SUPPORT & ENCOURAGEMENT AND APOLOGISE TO THOSE WHOM HAVE NOT YET CONTACTED ME BUT WERE CONSIDERING ATTENDING - SORRY FOLKS NO M0RE ROOM AT THE INN AS THEY SAY.

SARKYARTHUR!

Many thanks for posting the picture of "The Burns Family" - I remember them all very well. Des & Kerry were at the same Boarding School as me in Queenstown, Cape Provence, SA and Doris & Tony Burns were friends of my parents. I remember them at my 21st birthday way back!

Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 11:38:38 (UTC)

ARTHUR:

What a pleasant surprise to see my sister's Wedding photo. Graham and Dawn are now Grandparents of 4 and live in Natal South Africa. Jennifer Jenkinson is the daughter of Dr Bill Jenkinson ex Nkana Hospital and Kitwe. Roger Hampson and Joy now married live in Australia.
Also the photo of the Burns family all well known to me.
I was present at the beginning of the Bennett Speedway where I spent many happy times, lots of memories of the motor cycle racing crowd.
Thank you so much for a glimpse into the past.
I would like to wish all my fellow Americans a very happy Labor Day long weekend, we celebrate with barbecues and picnics, as our summer ends and we go into the Fall season.
Once again Thank you so much Arthur.
Sassy June.

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) — Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Sunday, September 01, 2002 at 04:50:16 (UTC)

Northerners !

First of all the birthday fairy (yeah) has fluttered off to down to Wild Tracks and won't be back until late Sunday afternoon.

She asked me to do this whilst she's away scaring the chameleons.

A Happy 50th to Beth Lloyd !

From all your friends on the GNR

Happy Birthday Beth - The downhill slope just got a lot more steep and slippery.

Arthur

Some more bits and pieces from the Rhokana Reviews

For the Burns family

For June Bohl

For John Tyne

John Tyne has told me he is going up to Nkana Kitwe for a holiday this month - if anyone has any specific photo requests please let me know now as John has kindly offered to take a few more photos for us all.

Anyone remember this place?

Lets go shopping !

With the shops now duly recovered from the aftermath of Christmas, Amanda went looking for something a little different.

These are some of the things she found in Kitwe's shops.

The miniature radiogram shown on the left is on sale at Bracaire's of Regent Avenue. Measuring 10 in x 6 in it plays 45 r.p.m. records. The transistor radio is detachable and has the usual three bands.

This radiogram costs £32 and is ideal for picnics or to play your favourite record whilst waiting in the car.

Want to be a pop singer? Well this Burn's Solid Electric Guitar shown in the picture being played by Jillian Charlton will certainly aid you in your ambition. It has three pick ups, separate volume and tone control, hand controlled tremolo and a three-stage switch which provides for solo rhythm. Comes packed in a lovely plush case and can be bought for - hold your breath - £125 at Melody Centre.

February 1962

New Rhoanglo Building Named After Major L. A. Pollak, M.C.

The decision to call the new R.A.M.S. building Pollak House is a fitting tribute to Major L. A. Pollack, M.C. The building, opposite the White House, is a branch office of the Anglo American Corporation of South Africa.

Major Pollak was associated with Anglo American, both as a Director and a Manager He was deputy-Chairman of the Corporation from 1929 until his death on June 29, 1934. He was Managing Director in South Africa of Rhodesia Anglo American Limited from the time of the Company's incorporation until his death.

He was also Managing Director of Rhokana Corporation Limited and in addition, was a Director of the Bwana Mkubwa Copper Company. Major Pollak, a brother-in-law of Sir Ernest Oppenheim

July 1957

Opening of St. John’s Convent

Most Rev Dr Mazzieri, Roman Catholic Bishop of Northern Rhodesia, opened last month the new St John's Convent School in Belfast Road Kitwe. The School, run by the American Sisters of St John the Baptist, is now catering for 350 pupils and will eventually hold 500.

Dr Mazzieri, congratulating the Sisters on the school, told them that what seemed to be a real dream or a pious desire a year ago was now a splendid reality - but they could not have achieved it without the support of the people.

In this young country', said His Lordship, 'educational institutions are badly needed and this school will be of benefit not only to Kitwe but also to the whole country. Now in the world there is no room for ignorance and every help must be given to advance learning and instruction - and education by which we are refined.

'We read of the horrible crimes perpetrated by young people who lack real education. This education must not be founded on the fear of God and the conviction that there is a judge who will one day judge us according to our deeds. Real education must be founded on the eternal principle of charity and that is what this convent school will do for its pupils'.

Mr. F. W. Carlisle, safety officer at Nkana and chairman of the Convent Parent-Teachers' Association, said that all would realise how much it meant to the Sisters of St John the Baptist to move into a school where they could give of their best to the children.

‘The Sisters have been here since 1947 and did not move into Kitwe until a year later. Before that they had to stay in St Joseph's Mission out in the bush. When they came into the town they started in a small way what is at present a children's home which has been taken over by the Sons of England for children in need of care'.

There were now 19 Sisters divided between two schools and two missions and a further three were expected shortly, said Mr. Carlisle.

Towards the school buildings the Northern Rhodesia Government had loaned a considerable sum of money free of interest, and he hoped this precedent would be followed by the Federal Government. The Nkana-Kitwe Lottery had also made a sum of money a available free of interest and the Rhokana Corporation had come forward and contributed all sorts of things to make the school what it was.

Mr G. W. R. L'Ange, Federal Member of Parliament, said that the Mother Superior and the Sisters who came from New York must have been appalled at the magnitude of the task set them in Northern Rhodesia, but they had gone ahead and accomplished their first aim.

The American Sisters would also introduce a new line on the education of Northern Rhodesian children which would be of inestimable value in framing their character and outlook, because we were somewhat isolated here and restricted in our views.

Those present included The Very Reverend Timothy Cahill, Commissary General of the Franciscan Order in the Ndola Vicariate, Mother Salvatrice the Mother Superior, Mr V. Stupart, Territorial and Federal representative on the education Board and chairman of the Frederick Knapp School Parent-Teachers' Association, Mrs Stupart, and Mrs Rex L'Ange.

May 1955.

Guy Hobbs

Welcome aboard the GNR Message Board and thanks for posting your message. One name you mentioned - the Schmidt's ex Boma Street - my Dad was good friends with these people - I remember being taken along often to visit them. That was when I was very young and before I developed bad habits.

Look forward to meeting you at the Banbury Bash.

Arthur

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