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Fiona;

The "thought police" gave me a clean bill of health.

How are you doing?

Barry

Barry LeeClick here to contact me
Pittsworth, Queensland, Australia
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 23:28:49 (UTC)


Hi Heather

Sorry about that. The proof chapters I got to see were on Uganda and Malawi. I think the bookseller thinks they are just the same as Zambia. I keep pointing out that NZ's don't like being taken for Australians and that Africa is a huge place but ......... Copies are not going to arrive in NZ until the end of next week at the earliest so I will just have to wait.

However I have just finished a book called Muck, Silk and Socialism by John Platt-Mills a Kiwi who lived in England for much of his life. He was a lawyer and later a QC. Eddie Shamwana was a pupil in his chambers, and Platt-Mills was part of his defence team for his treason trial. He was also the defence lawyer for the three ZANLA officials who were accused of killing Herbert Chipeto, at their trail in Lusaka. There are also a couple of interesting chapters on his experiences in other parts of the continent as well. A man of many parts the book is long but interesting.

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 22:07:12 (UTC)


Welcome to all the new people posting on the GNR.

It's wonderful to hear from you - and please tell us all your stories.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 20:46:44 (UTC)


All Members
Does anyone remember the Irish Sunshine Girls - A talented & attractive group of young female nursing staff sent out to NR to help out with the flagging medical services?
refer my previous posting - archived in January 2002 Message Board.
Dated January 06 "The Irish Connection"

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 18:29:21 (UTC)


Dawie,
I appreciated the Kitwe map.

One of Mufulira would be great, if it is not too much trouble. I wonder if it would be possible to get the Murundu plots on the map. They are 6 miles north of Muf on the Mokambo road.

All
Go to http://www14.brinkster.com/branchingout/bob.html
to download the bob mugabe song.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 17:49:23 (UTC)


Hi Gregory

Welcome to the GNR! I know exactly how you felt as a similar thing happened with my family. I left Kitwe in 1967 to go nursing in Pietermaritzburg and before the year was out, my parents had headed south down the Great North Road - to Dundee, Natal, of all places! I felt as though there was a hole in my soul and for years, I used to dream that I was driving along the road on my way back home, and I would catch sight of the town, just as the slag was being tipped in the evening. I eventually went back for a visit a few years later, and although that stilled the desperate longing, the precious memories are enjoyed and treasured every single day. And this wonderful website is a special place where we can all get together whenever the fancy takes us!

Looking forward to seeing you post again.


Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 15:09:25 (UTC)


Heather

I wasn't far out, if I take away 25/26 years I would be spot on. Yes I am sure I am right that I remember your dad standing at the bottom of the stairs at Tarrys just outside Brian Lake's office. I must have met him a number of other times through his dealings with Tarrys but it was outside Brian's office that I remember him. This was possibly when we was first introduced.

I have just realised that I have now lived in the UK as lonk as I lived in Zambia if I include the time before we went out there in 1952.

If you are out around Lusaka taking photos and you are anywhere near the Alma May Cemetery could you nip the corner to Lungwebungu (spelling) road and take a shot of my folks house, second on the right what used to be called Lusaka Creche.

Northerners

I recently had a major computer failure and lost all my email addresses so if you have been in contact with me through the GNR please email me again.

Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 15:05:45 (UTC)


Heather,

Thank you for "introducing" me to the musician Marsha Moyo. I'll look out for her CD. I doubt I'll find it in Canada but I will search. If that fails I'll wait until my next visit to England.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 15:03:43 (UTC)


Kris,

Thank you for responding to my message which included a reference to Jungle Oats. My mother, who has left Zambia, still asks if I am having the right breakfast. I am almost always able to answer truthfully.

I was also very interested in your account of the first days of your life. Truly remarkable story!

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 15:01:16 (UTC)


Sally Wynn
Happy Birthday





Gregory Crawford
Welcome and no, you didn't sound like a sentimental fool, you sounded like a real person.

And you can come back in one of two ways - either to the Reunion next year in September (further down on this page is some of the info) or you can come back on a private visit. If you come on a private visit, make sure you contact me.

Alix Key
Alright, I got your hint. The problem is that when I travel to other places I am able to set time aside to do the photos that people ask for, but it is very different when I am in Lusaka, there are always things that have to be done and I never set any time aside for photos. But I promise you I haven't forgotten (and Brian Geyser, I haven't forgotten yours either). I'll try to set a day aside for Lusaka photos before the end of this month.

Amanda McIntosh
I have just bought a copy of 'Dark Star Safari' (yes, our bookshops aren't that backward) and have had a quick look through it, but from what I can see he didn't travel to Zambia, but instead took the route through Malawi (and Karonga - Bob Smith are you reading this?) and Mozambique into Zimbabwe. But it still looks like interesting reading.

Hartley Heaton
Is this the picture you have in your mind of my father? Don't think he's changed very much, right down to (if you look very carefully) the pipe stuck into his left sock.

Click for image.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 12:37:08 (UTC)


Hi All
Having just recently joined the GNR, I have been exposed to so many names of people and places that the memories have come flodding back. I realy dont want to sound like a sentimental fool, but this web site has done more for me than any other form of therapy.
I am sure that there must have been a lot children at the time (1969/70)who like my sister Lindsay and I, who were sent to South Africa to go to school.
My problem was that one day the normal letter from home didnt have a "Kitwe" post mark on it but a Phalaborwa one.
I had no idea that my parents had packed up and left for South Africa. I was devistated to say the least. Where were all my things? My bicycle my pellet gun, my "things". I never got a change to say goodbye to the house or the house boy garden boy etc. I have always wanted to go back and see the places where I went to school and the houses that we lived in. To go for a walk along the bush path leading to the Kafue river, so many things that I need to do or at least just take a look at and get out of my system.
Yes I will go back, but this time it will be with a wife and three children and I hope that they can put up with my stories and damp eyes, as I go back in time to the best childhood a kid could ask for in the land of the tall trees and Flame Lillies.
Cheers
Greg

Gregory CrawfordClick here to contact me
Port Edward, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 09:13:20 (UTC)


RAY RAY!!

I couldn't possibly tell about our exploits here! For goodness sake, this IS family website and the code of conduct excudes us from talking about it! Besides, it's not germane to Northern Rhodesia/Zambia so you'd better email me and tell me about the RSA website so we can discuss the ball we had in greater detail. And yes, we did have a ball - sessions and "hoofies" etc? Wonder where the white VW ended up? Yes, good fun times and sadly missed.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 22:29:11 (UTC)


ALI KEY
No pistols at dawn, I was only kidding. I loved driving through Lusaka to get to somewhere important!
My best wishes to anybody from the Central African Post who may remember the 6ft. 3in., 170lb. beanpole. Wish it were still so, the 170, that is.
Sorry there are no more pics,but I was wondering if Geoff Paynter took any we could get a look at? Thanks once more for the report.

Robert SummersClick here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 22:19:34 (UTC)


Dave Cooper
I've checked out your Kitwe Map, Dave.
A sterling effort! Thanks for all your labours wrt GNR site, much appreciated by all.
Yes please! May we have a Muf map?
Best regards
Bill

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 19:40:57 (UTC)


This is my first message posted so please excuse any breach of etiquette. I have been asked by Iris Hawketts to try and locate a family she has lost touch with. They are the Bonthrones and were living in Glendale, Harare up to this year. Origonally from Mufulira, they left in 1976, and Iris has kept in touch since.She is concerned about them as they were on a farm and George was looking into the possibility of returning to the U.K. If anyone is in contact with them, Iris would be very pleased to know. She is living in a nursing home and could be contacted through me. Thanks.

Jane CromptonClick here to contact me
Nottingham, United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 18:46:12 (UTC)


The memorial website is now complete though being upgraded at times, the link is
http://www.moonovergeorgia.com/whittemore/whittemore.html

Once again we have been totally overwhelmed with the Love and Support this community has shown. Your efforts have all made this burden a much easier load to bear.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 15:38:26 (UTC)


Thanks for the kind praises on my Ndola report. Unfortunately I do not have any good photo's of town and any other famous landmarks ie. Broadway cinema, because I also took a video camera for all that?? You can imagine the effort, time and baggage required to film with both, in fact at times I got so confused I was actually narrating to my "standard snap camera"!!
Fiona, Fiona, surely you would not want me to start telling the world about our Welkom misgivings???? It would be entertaining!! You(most of all) and I would want to keep those a secret! Actually you have already alerted my friends to this and they are screaming out for some kind of explanation at least to this call of yours?
Should I tell, or better still maybe you start the ball(which is exactly what we had... and more) rolling! Then we would probably have to do the correct thing and tell it on the RSA website?? Ha! Ha! Everyone would have to switch over and register etc. etc. Suspense, suspense!
Be sure to catch up on this story next week,,,,,,
Ray Norton.
Perth. W.Australia

Raymond NortonClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 15:15:41 (UTC)


Hi Hartley Heaton

Touché !

So I was a day early - now 701 minus one Canadian lurker !

Cheers

David Gray

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 11:00:51 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

If you remember about seven years back, I started to digitise a map of Nkana-Kitwe. It took me about three months to complete using software and equipment that is usually out of the reach of most individuals and small businesses due to the costs.

Some of you appreciated that.

I am about to continue the project that I suspended after completing the Nkana-Kitwe portion of the map. You see, there are two other communities on the original hardcopy: Chingola and Mufulira.

But before I continue such a time-consuming and labour-intensive job, I would like to get a feeling as to how many Chingolans and Mufulirans we have online who would appreciate such an investment of my time and energy. I will be doing this, not on Company time as I did before (because it aided a development of software release at the time), but at home and on weekends. I can do this here in England, since there is not much to do after work or at weekends, as there is in my normal home in Amsterdam. So in a way, this keeps me busy. I like to be busy.

I would like to test the interest. Send me an email if you would like a map of Chingola and Mufulira of the same quality in VECTOR graphics as the Nkana-Kitwe map. If you have not seen the Nkana-Kitwe map and don't know what I am talking about, do not send me an email... you are not worthy.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem
Founder
Amsterdam + Derby

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 09:20:39 (UTC)


Hi all.
Robert Summers........grrrrrr.....Hey some of us here are Lusakans....who have never known their birth town and I welcome any picture of Lusaka modern or ancient history.......(even the hostpital ...!!!!!!)....but I do agree.......any picture of any part of Zambia is great.......Ndola, Kitwe, Broken hill......oh even the greatest metropolis of them all Kafue... I like you applaud rays welcoming report of his reunion...great stuff.......

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 09:07:01 (UTC)


I just wanted to add my thanks to Ray for the Ndola reunion with all the chat about the old home town. The one line that really triggered a surge to the memory bank was the mention of Mr. LeBarbee [forgive me if the spelling is wrong] standing watch behind the glass and blasting the patrons [mostly teenage boys and some adults who should have known better] with threats to bar them unless the misdemeanours ceased.

So sad about the Bull and Bush. What happened to the Broadway? Do you have any more pictures of Ndola's hot spots? Not to start a war, but it's just so great to see pics that are not Lusaka from the air, Lusaka from the ground, Lusaka from . . .

Heather, your last pics were sensational and if the purpose is to make us all "homesick", you succeed every time.

Robert SummersClick here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 22:10:27 (UTC)


I agree, excellent posting Ray. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I'm sure we'll all have just as good a time in Zambia next September. Now perhaps you would like to do a posting about the naughty things we got up to in Welkom?

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 18:24:59 (UTC)


Hi, Really enjoyed the Write up on Ndola Ray.Bought back alot of memories,Sad that the Old Bull And Bush is not there anymore, we spent so many weekends there.Have a few photoes of it...I also have a great Old Map of Lusaka But not too sure how to put it on here.
I enjoy reading all the letters

Lynda Fielder (née Clark)Click here to contact me
Rye Sussex, England
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 15:06:59 (UTC)


WELCOME ALL NEW POSTERS!

It's good to see so many new names and rarer names posting on the GNR message board.

If you are new to the GNR, remember there is more to this site than just the message board. This site is a suite. This site is like a book, there are many chapters.

Explore.

And welcome if you are new. Thanks for not lurking!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave Cooper
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 11:28:28 (UTC)


My Wife Genevieve (nee Harper) known as Genny
Was born in Durban south africa and lived in Kitwe for 11 years from 1956 to 1967. She went to Frederick knapp Primary school and left in Standard Five.
Her sisters are Linda-Clare and Anita who is the oldest.
Her parents are Brian and Winnie Harper.
They lived in 17 Sixth avenue. And lived next door to the Erasmus family is there anyone out there who knows the whereabouts of this family namely Letisha.

Regards Eddie

Charles KeeferClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 09:47:43 (UTC)


David Gray

It seems not quite 700, I just found a 'Test Entry' from Canada lurking in the names directory.

Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 08:51:47 (UTC)


WOW!
700 on the Names List! Congratulations to the Big Four. Many thanks for a most interesting site. Keep up the good work!
Cheers.

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 07:47:28 (UTC)


Attention GNR's.

Paul Theroux's new book, 'Dark Star Safari', is due to be published on Friday. In it he recounts his first visit to Africa since 1966. He travels from Cairo to Cape Town as a local, by catching buses, trains and cattle trucks. He travels through, Sudan Etheopia, Kenya, Uganda Malawi Zambia and Zimbabwe.

I haven't managed to get my hands on a full copy yet, but the bits I have seen so far look very interesting


Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 01:38:51 (UTC)


Just testing my old password before I request an easier one from Craig. Also the first time I have logged on since Banbury, therefore a big thanks to Gary etc.
I haven't had a response to my email to Wilma Henry about whether she and her mom were the ones locked in the loo at Cairo when my dad was passing through!?!? Any confessions?
Also Barrie Winterburn, I never got time to chat at Banbury, but Owen Thomas sends his regards as well.

Douglas HallClick here to contact me
Exeter, Devon, United Kingdom
Monday, October 28, 2002 at 23:46:14 (UTC)


Craig!

So cool - my new password works first time! Thank you so much for changing it for me - as I am pretty computer illiterate.

Thanks, Heather for all the mushy pictures. BTW - the LBJ's pictured in one set are blue waxbills - cutest little seed-eaters around.

We had a stunning visit to Zululand recently and saw a white rhino with a 1 metre long front horn - well - we didn't actually get out of the car and measure it, but the record size is supposed to be 1,05m - and this okie's nasal appendage couldn't have been far short!

Saw Greg and Wendy Knowles and their youngest son, Blake (a real Knowles), and older son Rory (Barge genes), had lunch with them at the small craft harbour in Richards Bay - sorry to miss you, Barry. Hadn't seen each other for 17 years, so it was a very nice mini-reunion.

Just celebrated our youngest son, Tristan's 21st - my how time flies!

Stay well all.

Jilly


Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, October 28, 2002 at 17:38:27 (UTC)


The best person to speak to regarding Abercorn would be Pete Gilbert in my opinion.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, October 28, 2002 at 15:05:13 (UTC)



Lets start the day with a smile.

Each evening bird lover Tom Rowe stood in his backyard in Devon,
England, hooting like an owl - and one night, an owl called back
to him.
For a year, the man and his feathered friend hooted back and
forth. Rowe even kept a log of the "conversation." Just as Rowe
thought he was on the verge of a breakthrough in inter-species
communication, his wife had a chat with next door neighbor, Nancy
Hollis.

"My husband spends his nights ... calling out to owls," said Mrs.
Rowe.

"That's odd," Mrs. Hollis replied. "So does my John."


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, October 28, 2002 at 07:52:35 (UTC)


Hi Craig,
Thank you! at last a password that I can remember!!
Greetings to all after a VERY long silence, due to a password that was a combination of Russian, Arabic and Chibemba!
Cheers
Paul

Paul CowieClick here to contact me
Umkomaas KZN, South Africa
Monday, October 28, 2002 at 06:38:20 (UTC)



Allan Cummings
(for yesterday) and Ken Hamilton
Happy Birthday





George Maxwell
I shall keep the name Israel Maxwell in mind when I am at our National Archives - who knows, I might find something there.

Arthur
Don't kid yourself - Manchester could never produce anything that beautiful. And please watch your temper - your foot-stamping and desk-banging must be the cause of those earthquakes.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, October 28, 2002 at 06:07:02 (UTC)


Northerners I need your help

For a number of years I have been researching my family history. Last week whilst searching on the internet I discovered a cousin who was unknown to me. He and I were looking for information on the same relative, an Israel Maxwell who died in Cape Town in 1948 (possibly 1947), I know that Israel Maxwell lived in Abercorn for many years before he travelled south to Cape Town. It seems that he left Glasgow in 1910 to travel to New York and then went on to Northern Rhodesia. I have no detail connecting him to Abercorn, apart from what my mom and dad were able to tell me. I have a feeling that some of you may be able to point me in the right direction (Ian Singer seems to be the one most likely to have the info. Somewhere) to find out more about his time in my homeland. Any help that anyone can give would be much appreciated.


George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 22:24:49 (UTC)


Passwords

I've had a little over 60 requests to change passwords and have done all but a couple of them that require special attention.

Just a quick note though. You can change your own password, just like you can change any other information in your entry after you have logged in. So, if you are not having problems logging in with the password I assigned to you back in April (other than that you can't remember it), you can log in an change it all by yourself.

Just thought I'd put that information out there in case you are needlessly struggling with the monstrosity I gave you.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 21:19:44 (UTC)


Does anyone remember the Cook family from Kitwe and Janice who went to St John's Convent in Pietermaritzburg? Janice and her husband Robert Aron, I have read in a racing article bought the ill fated Spook Express from South Africa at about the same time Horse Chestnut came onto the scene and raced her with much success in the States including a second on Breeders Cup day last year. Not bad for a Kitwe girl.According to the same article Janice's children are top riders in Virginia.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 20:27:26 (UTC)


Hi Marjorie
Please contact me via email. Thanks
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 19:17:58 (UTC)


SCHOOL DAZE ..... a small miracle

As a boarder at St Stephen,s College, Balla Balla, Rhodesia in the early sixties, it was compulsory to participate in extra curricular activities.

Among the numerous clubs we had the YFC, ( Young Farmers Club or as occasionally known the Young Fathers Club ), Geology Club,Music Appreciation Society, I can only assume the term club was to common a word for the classical minded scholars that attended.There was a Car Club, Model Club, and the Servers Guild.

Many of the Servers Guild members were anything but saintly as they went about their tasks each Saturday shining the brass candle sticks, and other church paraphanalia. This as you can appreciate can be a hard thirsty undertaking. The job however did have it's rewards.

After religously polishing the brass for the better part of two minutes,we sought our reward by locating the case of dark red sacramental wine that could be found in the sacristy. A wine that had the same qualities as turpintine in removing paint. Gently we would remove the tin foil, unscrew the top, take a large gulp of the bitter dark red wine, cough, splutter and pass the bottle to one of the other brother servers. After the ritual,water was added to the bottle compensating for the wine that had been drunk, the top securly tightened,the tin foil carefully placed on the neck of the bottle and returned to the box.

This ritual was carried out for several months, and was we thought undetected. At one of our Servers Guild meetings, Father Charltan the college chaplain, reminded us in his quite Irish manner about our Lord's miracle when the water was changed into wine. He went on to say that it appeared that a similar small miracle was taking place at the college, however this time it was the wine that was being turned into water,he mentioned that he had noticed some of the bottles contained a light wine more like a rosy than the full bodied dark red wine that had been supplied by our vinters.

The miracle ceased for awhile, maybe a week or two and then almost by holy intervention the wine slowly started once more turning into water.









Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 18:52:39 (UTC)


Ray,

Thanks for the report on your visit. I went to Ndola Primary in the early 60s (we left in Sep/Oct '64). I'd love to have been there on a visit, I often wonder what the place looks like. All I have are loads of slides (some of which I've posted here) and a map from that era to locate places. Any more pictures of the scenary around town Ray? I'd love to see them.

Regards

Ian Game

Ian GameClick here to contact me
United Kingdom
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 15:41:05 (UTC)


Ndola Revisit

Great report, Ray, and super pics. Brought back lots of memories. Was Ndola Primary School the one opposite the Town Hall (infamous as the Petrol Rationing office during those dark days)? Any pics of the various places visited - Savoy, Town Hall, Boat Club etc?

Chris - sorry to hear about Phil - hope all turned out well.

Tony AustinClick here to contact me
Houston, Texas, United States
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 13:15:04 (UTC)


Craig
Just testing my new password. It works! Thanks a lot!

Dennis
Welcome to GNR. We must have both been in Muf about the same time but I cannot recall you. It is truly amazing the advances that electronics have made in the last 42 years. From a 3-ton machine to a hand held calculator.

I saw my first calculator around 1969 when J.J.(Bill)Steyn of Apollo Enterprises, Chingola, brought one one back from Pittsburg, USA where he had been studying engineering. It was like magic! Now every school kid has one. When I have a problem with my computer I call my youngest son Frans, 14, to help. He obviously thinks, "Dad! You are so primitive"!

Makes you sick, eh?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 12:34:24 (UTC)


Broken Hillians,

Click for image

Photograph of BH Rugby Team circa 70/71 (not too clear I'm afraid). Back row includes Chris Warn, John Barnard, Peter Durrheim, Gil Wilson, Paul Ward. Front row includes Joe ?, Glyn Evans, Frank Tweedle, John Cartwright. The others I can't remember.

Regards,

Gil


Gilbert Wilson
Loughborough, United Kingdom



Craig,

I wish to send a short story (attached) with some photo's for the GNR message board please!

To fill you in briefly, 5 ex-Ndola Primary school students of 1960-64 decided to do a re-union trip back to Zambia, specially Ndola, to relive our past.

The 5 were, Geoff Paynter (main organiser), Gregg Sheen, Russell Sheen, Ray Norton and Chris Sysum.
In summary, it was one of the most fantastic weeks I have ever spent (and millions in local currency too) in my life!!
Thanking you kindly,

Kindest regards,

Ray Norton.


Zam-beer "some of 64" tour

Hi all,

Once upon a time in the good old days of N.R., in the early 60's, in the town of N'DOLAAAA, there lived a happy, close-knit gang of, "deadly accurate, katty-wielding, bicycle-riding, cowboy-dressed, holster-thieving, war-crying", young Ndola Primary School hoodlums.

Due to "circ-umstances" (true Zambian pronounciation) beyond our control (parents, high school age, and a new Sheriff moved in) this notorious gang was to be separated, starting in 1964 with further dismantling into 65, 66 and 1967, leaving many of this gang separated and living thousands of miles apart, for the better part of their lives.

As was the case in all great gangs of those days, good leadership was essential, and so too was this gang adequately enriched. Over the years the leadership core managed to keep in touch with most and on the odd occassions, get-togethers were organised, usually in the form of weddings, birthdays and business trips, which always resulted in good old rip-roaring camaraderie.

Notwithstanding the ever so vital, "have you ever heard about, or where is so and so", was always bandied about amongst the gathering??

AAaah for the Internet!!!! What a GREAT "re-union instrument" it has become. Needless to say the leadership of this notorious gang decided to try and get as many as possible to meet again in their 50th year and to have their photograph taken on the front steps of the Ndola Primary School Hall.

So it came to be, that Gregg Sheen FsST.nLoLp* (London), Russ Sheen ALp* (London), Geoff Paynter MbaNgL* (Jo'burg), Chris Sysum RTfgA* (Southampton) and Ray Norton StRfs* (Perth), all came together in Lusaka on the evening of the 14th September 2002.

Unfortunately Chris had to leave us the next day and move on to SA as his Mom was gravely ill. He could not continue the intended trip with the rest of the gang to N'DOLAAAAA!

The rest of the trip was an awesome experience of 50 year olds going back in time and re-living some of the most fantastic memories of a great childhood, in a great era, in the great place of the Copperbelt, with the most fantastic people.

Things done and places seen and visited in the 6 days;

Within 2 days, 3 of us had purchased katty's off the local entrepreneurs (mine is still in quarantine at Perth Airport)
Went to the practise range (not kitchen windows via the sanitary-lanes either)
Could not find any ammo in town (marbles)
Went back to all our old houses, photo'd, and even went inside the Sheens.
Went to the Golf Club, 3 times (once for golf)
Went to the Boating Club (not for boating - you can't)
Went to the top of the Savoy Hotel (not to throw water bombs and clods)
Went to the Forex Bureau (4 times, each time with a wheel barrow)
Went to Kitwe (finally put paid to the last member of the opposition gang)
Went to the station (they would not let us put pennies [with hole in] on the tracks or jump on the carriages and ride to Bwana Mukubwa and back??)
Went to Ndola Sunken Lake (by car this time, with permission and did not swim)
Went to Cheesmans (nothing there anymore but the dam)
Went to Bull'n Bush (nothing there also, but a huge dam now)
Went to Monkey Fountain -"Ruins"(by car again, with permission, nothing there, did not swim)
Went to Ndola airport (still the same old hanger buildings and a few extensions, couldn't climb the tree though)
Went to Ndola Primary school (same old buildings, now adult education centre)
Went to Llewellin High School (now Kansenshi Secondary, same old buildings, no cuts this time)
Went to Town Council Offices (forced to have a chat with Town clerk for taking photo's without permission. Tch! Tch!
Went to Municipal Swimming pool (something at last being repaired, yahooo,,, Mr.Le Barbie's voice could be heard in our memories, once again threatening us over the loudspeaker ????? Couldn't do any suicides or other as there was no water in, or girls to BOMB!!)

Also drove around town and saw no more Broadway Cinema, Bobs Ice-cream, Waddells Bakery, Golden Ray Cafe, George Browns (now Shoprite), Thoms Stores and many, many other old hang-outs. Did see the old Fire Station, Cricket Club, Wanderers Club, Hospital, Hong Kong Restaurant (greeeaaat meeeaal?!) Sorrento's, lots of Jacaranda's in bloom, blue-skops, chameleons, plenty of termites, Mosi and Rhino Beer (Yum, Yum) and lots of very, very friendly but not so happy Zambians.

Famous quotes.

Twilight - "When e-the sun is bisy handing ova to the moon".
No credit - " Mr crediet died yestaday, Mr cesh, his son, was born today".

*Qualifications.
FsST.nLoLp - (Failed standard Six Twice, now Leader of London peasants)
ALp - (Another London peasant)
MbaNgl - (Makulu bwana and New gang leader)
RTfgA - (Rootin Tootin fastest gun Alive)
StRfs - (Smooth talkin Rocket fuel specialist)

Million Kwatcha question? What has 38 tears(sic) of Independence done for all the average Zambians??
My sad answer. I think the Sheriff's stole all the LOOT!!

In Conclusion.

Well done to Geoff, our genius of a guide, who filled us in on all (well almost) that has happened over the last 38years, especially in Zambia. For putting together a most memorable week, even the 7 four-track, 90 minute tape decks of music, for the car, with most TV theme tunes, famous songs such as Ag pleez daddy, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Shadows etc. all 1965 and prior. Well done it was EXCELLENT, you bald headed old coot, how did you expect me to recognise you at the airport after 38years???? Ha Ha Haaaaaaa!!!

To Russ, thanks for the CD's you burnt for each of us, I play it in my car on all my travels, terrific music and great memories. Gregg, you haven't lost your Jerry Lewis turn and arch shuffle, nor your great catchy chuckle/laugh, in fact you have not changed much at all, just got MUCH older,,, Hah aha aha!! Chris, I have not heard any news from you yet, but it was great to see you again? (thankfully Geoff pointed you out for me!!!) HEE HEE AAARGH!! You didn't have to bring your bloody prefect badge either?? Hope all is well and goes well for you, really sorry you could not stay with us, but next time for sure!!

KEEP WELL ALL AND STAY IN TOUCH.

WHATS DA MATTER WIT YOU BOOBO,,,,,?? OH! OH! - HEYA CUMS DA RANGER YOGI!!!!

G'Day from WA,

Always your old gang member "Adam Cartwright" in disguise as,,,,,,

RAY NORTON

To all those others, you missed out big time maaaan!!! Maybe we can get together for a full class reunion in 2004.

Heylo,


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Top = Our 2nd house 3 Auckland Ave.
Middle = Gregg with his "wire-harlies" outside Kitwe
Bott = Russ driving "e - 4x4 Benz" at Fasenge?? (turn off to Luansha)



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Top = Ray, Gregg, Geoff, Chris, Russ (with babalaas) at Lusaka Guest Fortress
Midd = Gregg, Geoff, Chris, Ray,,,, greetings at Lusaka International car-park
Bott = Our 1st (fest) house in Broadway (looks soo goooood)



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Top = Our 3rd (therd) house, 7 Auckland Ave.
Midd = The back of 3 Auckland Ave, with a pool installed after our time,,, yuk!
Bott = Also 7 Auckland Ave.



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Top = Gregg, Russ, Geoff, Prefect badge with Chris.
Midd = Makulu Bwana Geoff, Mfasi Lynda, pikininis Mark and Lauren
Bott = On the steps of Ndola Primary School Hall with A.N.Other (as always) plus Ray, Geoff, Russ and Gregg.



Here are the long awaited,,,,,,,, "a picture tells a story!". Some beauts I reckon, hey boys??!!??

How,,, Medala and too UGLY, but sor heppy!!!

Ray.



Ray Norton
Perth, Western Australia



Arthur;

I recently joined the GNR Web Page. Perhaps some of the attached photos are of general interest. I was the resident Hollerith Engineer at the mine in Mufulira 1960 - 63..

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The first picture is the main street as you enter the town centre. Barclays Bank on the left. Standard Bank on the right.

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The second is our first home.

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The third is a page from the mine's magazine, 'Horizon" dated Oct 1960. It shows the "computer" I was responsible for, it was as powerful as today's pocket calculator. I'm the guy kneeling at the card reader/punch.


Dennis Pigrum
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia



Arthur don't know if this picture is of any use, it's quite a dark picture to start with but here goes.

St John's Convent (circa 1955-57?)

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Vivienne Buitendag (Eldridge) hope you can fill in the spaces. I know you were on holiday at time but you told me you can remember everyone you went to school with.

Front row - right to left

Lesley Raulston, ?, Olga Croad, me, Lindsay Watkins, Brenda ? in front of Lindsay, ?, ?, Corinne Noziac don't know the rest.

Back row - Right to left - Mildred Clifton - can't remember any of the rest.


Ann Moss
Motherwell, Scotland



Gil Wilson - welcome to the GNR - don't worry about the "soft focus" - all of Charlie Cartmill's photos I received in the past have also been doctored to take out the creases.

Dennis Pigrum - welcome and also thank you also for the brilliant photos - there are some excellent 1960 pics of the main street in Muf buried in the recent Archived Message Boards. I hope very soon to be able to move these and many of the other photos so they are easily seen. That "computer" wasn't beige by any chance was it?

Ann - thanks for the pic - school photos are amongst my favourite to get for the GNR.


Greg Crawford - Welcome to the GNR - stand by because there are quite a few more photos in the Rhokana Reviews of your family. Good to see you spotted Lindsay and yourself in the party pic.


Heather - magic photos! Where exactly was that sunset photo taken? Manchester's boating lake?

Everyone else - hopefully within the next 48 hours or so I will start to reply to the remaining unanswered e-mail you have sent me regarding various matters. Thank you all for your patience.

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 11:03:45 (UTC)



Alix my little hybrid, a little bird told me that you have accepted a commission from tha Australian wild life society to make up the sign to be put at the entrance to one of there large wild life parks which says there are a lot of dangerous animals roaming free in this park stay in your cars, (Pommies riding bicycles admitted free)I know that you are expanding your art buisness but dont you think it is a little traitorous when I your lover am also a Pommie or are you trying to tell me it is all over,I shall have to switch my affection to your buisness partner whose forte is drawing dogs and horses but will not venture into self portraits because of the large amount of cracks she says appear in her bathroom mirror, any way I do not want to dissapoint you to much but I do not possess a bicycle any way so san fairy an Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 10:30:45 (UTC)


Bwana grins......
yes .....how true...nice knowing I am not an Aussie..hehehe

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 09:50:33 (UTC)



LETS LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE, AND HAVE A NICE DAY. REGARDS TO ALL JOHNNY.

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Aussies, Brits, Canadians, and Yanks: Cultural Differences
Explained

Aussies: Dislike being mistaken for Pommies
when abroad.
Canadians: Are rather indignant about being
mistaken for Americans when abroad.
Yanks: Encourage being mistaken for Canadians
when abroad.
Brits: Can't possibly be mistaken for anyone
else when abroad.

Aussies: Believe you should look out for your
mates.
Brits: Believe that you should look out for
those people who belong to your club.
Yanks: Believe that people should look out
for & take care of themselves.
Canadians: Believe that that's the government's
job.

Aussies: Are extremely patriotic to their beer.
Yanks: Are flag-waving, anthem-singing, and
obsessively patriotic to the point of
blindness.
Canadians: Can't agree on the words to their
anthem, when they can be bothered to
sing them.
Brits: Do not sing at all but prefer a large
brass band to perform the anthem.

Yanks: Spend most of their lives glued to
the idiot box.
Canadians: Don't, but only because they can't
get more American channels.
Brits: Pay a tax just so they can watch four
channels. (or five, if you're lucky.)
Aussies: Export all their crappy programs,
which no-one there watches, to
Britain, where everybody loves them.

Yanks: Will jabber on incessantly about
football, baseball, and basketball.
Brits: will jabber on incessantly about
cricket, soccer, and rugby.
Canadians: Will jabber on incessantly about
hockey, hockey, hockey, hockey, and
how they beat the Americans twice,
playing baseball.
Aussies: Will jabber on incessantly about how
they beat the Poms in every sport they
play them in.

Yanks: Spell words differently, but still
call it "English".
Brits: Pronounce their words differently,
but still call it "English".
Canadians: Spell like the Brits, pronounce
like Americans.
Aussies: Add "G'day", "mate" and a heavy
accent to everything they say in an
attempt to get laid.

Brits: Shop at home and have goods imported
because they live on an island.
Aussies: Shop at home and have goods imported
because they live on an island.
Yanks: Cross the southern border for cheap
shopping, gas, & liquor in a backwards
country.
Canadians: Cross the southern border for cheap
shopping, gas, & liquor in a backwards
country.


Yanks: Seem to think that poverty & failure
are morally suspect.
Canadians: Seem to believe that wealth and
success are morally suspect.
Brits: Seem to believe that wealth, poverty,
success and failure are inherited
things.
Aussies: Seem to think that none of this
matters after several beers.

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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 08:15:50 (UTC)


Hi all.......
It is too quiet here....where is everyone ??...

well, I must say....time flies when you are having fun, I have just realised a year ago today I posted my first shy message.....not knowing what or who I would meet down the great north road,.....but a year later I must say it has been a fantastic year and I have met some wonderful people, made some incredibly nice friends, laughed, cried,simply shrugged shoulders but all in all, have really enjoyed the scenery........the camaraderie......but most of all the feeling of belonging.....and that I truly thank you all......what a great idea you had Dave, and what with the passionate people Heather, Craig and Arthur are in running the site........the GNR is sure to prosper for a very very longtime yet........thanks

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, October 27, 2002 at 07:07:35 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TRISH! Lots of love, hugs, thoughts and drinks, Mo xoxoxooxoxoxoxo

Moira SteevensClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 22:46:31 (UTC)



Today has been like Aberdeen on a Flag day on the GNR, Chris did you eventually recieve my few dollars?
Some admirer of mine sent me a little loving message today
it said, I had a wet dream about you last night you were knocked down by a bus and I p***d my self laughing, thank you for your kind thoughts, Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 22:32:18 (UTC)


I have been wondering for the last half an hour how many Blue Bulls supporters will come out of hiding after their Super 12 campaign this year.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 16:00:45 (UTC)


Heather
Thank you for the wonderful photos you put on the board. Those of the Kafue are fantastic, especially the one you put on 'especially for Arthur, it is fantastic. The baobab is wonderful, I just love those trees, all of the photos are absolutely fantastic. Please keep on taking those photos. Thank you. You have a wonderful life over there.
Best wishes
Ada



Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 15:23:41 (UTC)


John,

I hope that you bought it through the GNR Book Store!

With Sword and Chain in Lusaka: A Londoner's Life in Zambia 1948-1972, by Richard Sampson


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 26, 2002 at 02:30:56 (UTC)


Thanks for the infomation on Richard Sampson's new book. I have been able to order a copy from Amazon.com with an estimated ship date of November 27th.

John Sweet.
Reedley, California.

John SweetClick here to contact me
Reedley, California, United States
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 20:05:04 (UTC)


I am trying to get hold of Graham Hargreaves' NEW email address, if anyone would ask him to resend me his message with his address would be really appreciated.
Regards and thanks Roger Everest

Roger EverestClick here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 19:12:16 (UTC)


Hi all,
two reasons for posting : (a) testing my password,

and (b)To say thanks to the GNR.
About a week ago I received an e-mail from Oz. It was from an old school chum ( Kingswood R.S.A. ). This was the first time since leaving school that I have had news of him; some 37years. In addition, I am now in contact with another chum who is in U.S.A. I am aware of another in Switzerland. Life histories are being swapped, and recent pictures are(with apologies for the ravages of time)being exchanged.
There is a time in one's life when one's past becomes important, and I am most grateful to the GNR for an opportunity that otherwise would never have been .


david.

David AtkissClick here to contact me
Nottingham, United Kingdom
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 18:33:00 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

Sorry, I have been typing too much (got my first bit of work output on my new job in England---one reason I am still at work!)... but I had a typo in the previous message...

Instead of "champion" (which he certainly is), I meant to say "captain."

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DvdB
Amsterdam! ... and derby

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 18:02:55 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

It was only a tiny little note in the GUARDIAN sports section this morning or yesterday that I noticed Corne Krige was declared Springbok champion. But he has been for the last couple of months, right?

Nice to see a Lusaka man taking the role for a while.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave Cooper
in the Amber Valley by the River Derwent

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 17:48:56 (UTC)


I spoke to Bob Malichi of North Western Bee Products today and he welcomes any trade enquiries.
He can be contacted on nwbp@zamnet.zm


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 09:59:43 (UTC)


Ooops, I've been slacking again


Geoffrey Abrams, Graham Pearson and Roy New

Happy Birthday for yesterday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 09:11:58 (UTC)


Hartley
What a coincidence - I have just finished putting my November issue together which contains a review of WITH SWORD AND CHAIN IN LUSAKA and was just about to post the review on the board for members to read.

I have been in contact with Richard since April regarding this book and over the last few weeks we have been trying to work out how best to have this for sale through the GNR. We have still not worked it out, but in the meantime, I have a stock in my office and can post them off to members who are interested in obtaining a copy. I haven't yet worked out the price or the modalities of payment, but this information will follow shortly. A percentage of the proceeds will go towards running the GNR




WITH SWORD AND CHAIN IN LUSAKA
by Richard Sampson
Reviewed by David Simpson

Richard Sampson seems so much a part of the history of Lusaka that it is quite a surprise to learn from his new personal memoir that he lived here for only 24 years, from 1948 to 1972. Born in 1922, in London, he experienced the hangovers from the Victorian era, and the rigours of the war years.
Initially recruited to work with the engineering company John Howard, he came to this country shortly after the Second World War, on a four-day journey from Heathrow then just a collection of Nissen huts. We are now further in time from that date than that date was from a time when powered flight had not yet been discovered!
His rise to prominence here seems to have stemmed from being in the right place at the right time. In the earliest years he was one of a very small group of professionally qualified people. He was thus able to build up a thriving accountancy business, and this brought him into contact with a variety of business people.
He held a wide range of positions, including Major in the Zambian army - some confrontation with members of the fanatical and misguided Lumpa church and the narrowly averted risk of engagement with the diehard forces of Ian Smith.
He was a bold and progressive thinker. Most notably, when Mayor of Lusaka, he was able to eliminate the infamous hatches through which African customers were served in butchers shops and elsewhere.
Clearly Sampson had an insatiable appetite for work, and was able to handle several appointments at once. The reader is constantly being surprised by comments such as "I was at the time Deputy Chairman of the Broadcasting Corporation," so that one reacts by saying, "What, that as well?"
At various times he helped found the Commercial Bank of Zambia (now the ZNCB), and a casualty insurance company. He was Secretary of the Lusaka Chamber of Commerce and Industry, a board member of Standard Chartered Bank in Lusaka and of the Zambian subsidiary of Hong Kong merchants Jardine Matheson, and of the Workmen's Compensation Board. He was head of a cardboard packaging company and a motor assembly plant. He was chairman of the Cold Storage Commission, and a director of an air charter company and also of Botswana National Airlines.
After Independence, as councillor, he resigned when the Mayor and fellow councillors began to by-pass well established council procedures in order to secure land for themselves (they were later investigated and removed from office).
The chapters covering the Federation and particularly the build up to Independence in 1964 provide interesting detail on the political background. Sampson himself was invited by Kaunda to stand on a UNIP ticket for one of the ten "reserved seats" in the pre-independence elections of 1962. He lost to Hugh Mitchley.
But he is scathing about Kaunda's political policy, which he says "caused much long-term damage to his country". And he is equally scathing about the wasteful economic activities imports by air of Mercedes cars for ministers and of building materials for an OAU conference immediately after independence, for which a new residential suburb had to be built by the Yugoslav advisors and contractors (could Sampson be referring to Mulungushi Village, built by ZECCO for the Third Non-aligned Conference in 1970?)
It was the deteriorating economy which eventually forced him and his family to leave Zambia in 1972 to start a new life in the USA.
There are several grammatical slips in the text, and from distant California he erroneously quotes the exchange rate in 2002 as about US$3 to K5000. Despite these minor flaws the book (Sampson's fifth) is a valuable and interesting record of a lively transitional period in the history of this country. It was published "on-demand" in cooperation with Trafford Publishing in Canada. This is a service using the latest technology for do-it-yourself publishers, and offering packages at three levels of complexity and cost. Copies are available in Zambia from The Lowdown.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 09:04:33 (UTC)


Barry Morton..Brisbane..Australia..Would like to contact Bill Knott. subject pictures in Mufulira magazine,of Joe Morton. circa 1946-1955..

Barry MortonClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 08:59:43 (UTC)


On recommendation from Dave I bought the two books ‘Mukiwa’ and ‘Don’t let’s go to the dogs tonight’ and took them, together with Richard Sampson’s latest book ‘With Sword and Chain in Lusaka’ (ISBN 155369398-1), on holiday with me.

I read all three and must say that even though Peter Godwin’s book Mukiwa is based in the South, rather than the North, it brought back memories of weekend jaunts down to Salisbury, in the late 60’s and early 70’s, before the border was closed.

He mentions the various nightclubs in Salisbury that we frequented. There wasn’t anything in Lusaka that could compare and anyway there was less chance of anyone knowing us in Salisbury so we tended to be a bit wild. It was not unknown for us to go to a party, or one of the Crusaders ‘sessions, in Lusaka on the Friday evening and at about midnight head of to Salisbury arriving there in the early morning. Towards the end, just before the border closed, rumours started floating around that cars were being shot at while they passed through the Zambezi valley between Chirundu and I think it was Makuti. This didn’t put us off it just made us drive faster through this stretch of road.

I found Richard Sampson’s book very interesting, it covers the years between 1948 and 1972, and for those who don’t know who he was, he served as mayor of Lusaka during his time in Lusaka. He had roads into the Government of both Northern Rhodesia and the Federation and knew a lot of the goings on. If you are interested in the political history of Northern Rhodesia this book contains a great deal of insight into what was happening. A lot of the things I either didn’t know or have forgotten, for example I didn’t realise how close the Federation was to coming to blows with Britain. Anyway I can certainly recommend it if for no other reason than the information it contains. I got it directly from his daughter Lesley but I am sure that it is available through normal channels. If anyone would like the book and has difficulty obtaining it let me know and I will see what I can do.


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 08:33:57 (UTC)


Gary
Thanks. I managed to get contact details yesterday and have passed them on.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, October 25, 2002 at 06:36:42 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft

Heather I spoke to Lorraine's hubby Ian Forbes on phone earlier tonite re contacting Sheila Siddle at Chimfunshi and he is contacting U direct with Lorraine's mothers details! If U have not had any response from Ian within next 24 hours e. mail me and I will chase or get a contact phone number. Apparently they may only be contactable by radio link so Ian will advise U accordingly. Good luck. SAVE THE CHIMP and let us know how matters progress.



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 22:41:22 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added Gil Wilson to the Contributors section. Gil lived in Kabwe around 1971 and has a number of theatre programmes and other memorabilia. The programme for 'Barefoot In The Park ' is Gil's first contribution.

Updated Tony Chowles' entry in the Codrington list with news of him and his brother, Joe and sister, Wendy.

Also a redesign of the front end of the site.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 21:37:36 (UTC)


I lived in Kitwe, North. Rhod. from 1950 to 1966. Does anyone remember Brian Steyn (later married to Mercia from Luanshya).
He was killed in a car accident in 1960. My brother brian was so much older than me; I never knew him very well. I would love to hear from people who knew him well and can tell me interesting things about him. Tom Inch are you still around?
Guy Hobbs, I think you might have known my brother Brian.

His daughter Shiralee has now got 2 sons grown up. Ironically she was also in a motor accident and in a coma for 4 days like her father, but thankGod, she lived.

All the people I read on the message board seem to have been more recent residents in Northern Rhodesia, Zambia. Is no one who lived there from 1950 to 1966 who remembers the Steyn Family. My Father Stephen John (Jimmy) worked on the mine. I remember Dr Mayne. Please contact me if you have any info. Many thanks. Maureen Harrison (nee Steyn)

Maureen Harrison (née Steyn)Click here to contact me
Cape Town, Cape Province, South Africa
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 20:41:40 (UTC)


The Memorial for Ashley was well attended and so much support came in for the family from all around the country.We once again thank all the members and friends that read the board and maintain it from the bottom of our hearts.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 15:36:25 (UTC)



The best news for some time, it looks as if they have caught those responsible for the Washington shootings, Question, Does Washington have the death penalty?
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 12:44:50 (UTC)


24 OCTOBER 1964

Heather


How wonderful to see your beautiful pictures on this special day! So much has changed for all of us in the last 38 years, yet seeing those photos, especially of that wonderful baobab and the glorious views of the Kafue, is living proof that all that is really important has stayed the same.

Thank you for sharing it all with us!



Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 05:42:56 (UTC)


Whatcha Big Sis

If you can read this then my instructions/directions have worked perfectly, if not, then you must have misread them - or maybe I said Great East instead of Great North and I think it is Rhodesia instead of Russia. Still got it right about the massage board and the names derivative huh.


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 01:42:08 (UTC)


Northerners
I was going to give you a break from photos for a while, but since today is an important day in this country's history, I thought I would post these for you.

All taken in the Kafue National Park:

Baobab Tree

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Some wildlife

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Some lbj's

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The Kafue Hook Bridge

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The Kafue River

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And this one specially for Arthur

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 00:00:32 (UTC)


Linda
Thanks I know that, but the web site is run by Friends of Chimfunshi who are based in South Africa and we need to get hold of them quicker than that.

Bill Hunt
I shouldn't imagine scanning it would infringe any copyright if you email it to me and I would be interested to see it. I don't have the full story, but my understanding is that Zambia is one of the few countries in Africa that can export honey to Europe - something to do with quotas I think.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 23:09:16 (UTC)


Heather
The wild life orphanage run by Lorraine's parents is on the "links" part of this site. Look for Chimfunshi.


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 19:33:40 (UTC)


Heather
Zambian Honey
South African Airways In-Flight Magazine August 2002 features this enterprise.
North Western Bee Products Ltd Kabompo - MD Bob Malichi.
I can scan the article if you require.
Will it infringe any copyrite?
Best regards
Bill

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 19:32:25 (UTC)


Heather,

Keep on posting those photographs. I knew Zambia was beautiful - but I didn't realise just how gorgeous she is!

We all have to get there next year to see for ourselves!!

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 19:19:41 (UTC)


Lorraine Forbes
Please can you let me have your parents telephone number or email address - I have just had an email from someone who has a chimp in Angola that needs sanctuary and I can't find their number in the telephone directory.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 18:21:41 (UTC)


Dawie
You don't even have to ask for my permission. If I didn't post them on the GNR, they would just sit on my computer forever, never being seen by anybody, except for the few that are included in the printed copy of The Lowdown. And I've now got a collection of 8,691 photos (yes, I just counted them) so there are plenty to choose from.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 17:02:55 (UTC)


Ian Singer
I only found out about two weeks ago that J Desmond Clark passed away recently - I think it was in March this year.

Doug Gifford
The person who co-ordinates the beekeepers and does the exports is a Canadian, so it's quite possible that it is available in Canada. I'll check next time he comes in. I will also be visiting Sakeji when I go up there.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 16:33:59 (UTC)


Heather et al,

In the beginning of the GNR, I did not have the luxury of an Alpha or Beta base on which to test design. Now with the second generation GNR in the works, we do have this luxury.

We also have a superb source of original Zambian material! Heather Chalcraft has provided on this message board some superlative photographs of the country.

I would like to suggest that we use some of these photos, given Heather's permission, in the new GNR.

I particularily like the ones of the Great North Road which you posted in the last few days, but also others in the past have been brilliant.

They convey a direct and immediate touch to the pulse of Africa.

What do you all think?

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DAVE COOPER
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 16:31:32 (UTC)


Heather

I attended Sakeji, a boarding school in the bush north of Mwinilunga. Much of the food we were given was memorable if only because it was so bad. However, a lot of it was great, and to this day I believe that the wild honey we had every morning with our (usually burnt) toast is the best honey I have ever eaten. I'll have to work on getting my hands on a jar of that nectar again - any chance it's exported to Canada? I can quite believe that honey from the NW province has a lasting and world-wide following. Looking forward to reports from your trip up that way next year.

Doug GiffordClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 16:23:24 (UTC)


Hi All

Came across this site which is mainly the text of an interview with J Desmond Clark who used to be Curator at the Museum in Livingston. The interview is extremely interesting and not at all dry.

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:2020/dynaweb/teiproj/oh/unihist/clarkjd/

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 13:42:01 (UTC)


Heather -
Look forward to them! I really envy you in your travels round the country - I know it is hard work and its easy for us to sit back and look at your wonderful photos - but we also appreciate the time and effort you put into this.

Chisanga
Don't even mention Jungle Oats!! Still my favouritist breakfast of all time! As I've mentioned before I was born in Namibia in the year dot, weighing 3lbs. At the time this was no joke for my mother and I believe I was put into a 'haybox' which acted as an 'incubator' 'cause there were none of these new fangled inventions around at the time - and I'm alive to tell the tale!
As a means of 'fattening' me up as it were, a thin gruel of cooked strained Jungle Oats was made up and as the inevitable progression occurred, I graduated to full blown Jungle Oats - heaven! - even today with honey and better still when I get hold of the Zambian honey - thanks for the website Maz!

Can we bank on Guy Fawkes (5th November) as the start of the rains - it always appeared on the night we arranged a braai and to let off a few fire crackers!!

Regards all round
Kris



Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 13:22:35 (UTC)



Judy Drew

Happy Birthday





Dawie
While I was up on Lake Tanganyika I read a book published last year by Peter Snelson, 'From Blantyre to Chitambo, A brief life of David Livingstone' which was kindly given to me by Maggie Currey of the Zambia Trust. It is a short, easy to read book. I've promised to lend it to Dick Smith, but once I get it back from him I'll send it to you. I have five or six other books about him too, most of which tell the good side of him, but one which tells the other side. 'From Blantyre to Chitambo' gives both sides. But whether he was good or bad, he did much to open up the Arican interior.

Kris Massie
If you hang around for a while, I'll bring you some photos of a beekeeping enterprise in Mwinilunga in the North Western province. I was supposed to go up there in June, but couldn't make it and then thought possibly October, but I went to Lake Tanganyika instead. I won't make it in November because I need to get to Livingstone to negotiate everything for the reunion next year and then we're into the rains (hopefully) so it might only happen in June next year, but it will happen ... eventually.

Johnny
Just bring your body!! Even without all your millions, I'll take you there.

Ian Singer
Sorry if I burst your bubble, but there has been some development in the last 38 years. The road from the Great North Road to Mansa (Fort Rosebery) and all the way up to Kawambwa is tarmac. And it's an excellent road - only three potholes and small ones at that. Then it is dirt from there to Kasama and then tarmac again back to the GNR. The house was the District Commissioner's house and is now the house of the District Administrator.

Doug Grewar
Yes, plenty of water up there and one day I will visit them just after the rains. Bilharzia - probably in some parts of the river, but not around there - the water flows too fast. I too have swum in rivers all over Zambia and have never caught it, or perhaps I just haven't realised that I've got it. And if things go according to the plans that I am making now, by mid next year there will be organised tours around the waterfalls - just the logistics are a bit of a nightmare.

Play on words - ironical when you consider the other name for the tree.

Tina
Thanks but no bruises - I have learnt to fall gracefully and painlessly - I have to because I do it so often!!

Gill Main
Don't tell me about the rain. We're waiting and waiting for it. While i was up on Lake Tanganyika, we watched the clouds building every afternoon and listened to the thunder, but still no rain. But it's early still - we don't expect it until about the 15th of next month.

Chisanga
I can answer those questions for you, but it wouldn't be fair. And if you want a really Zambian Quiz, let me set the questions for you - I have a head full of little known facts which relate only to Zambia and not other countries in Africa.

Yesterday I had Marsha Moyo come and see me. She is one of our newest singers and her CD 'Dark Child' contains a recording of Tiyende Pamodzi. This is the CD I am listening to as I type this. Take a look - Sheer Sound

Sheine Fisher
Your name has been added to the list.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 09:59:47 (UTC)


Question: What do Scarscalp and David Livingstone have in common?
Answer: They are both fondly remembered for events held in the city of Bath.

Scarscalp (fanfare please) for organising the first two GNR Bashes in England which were held in Bath.

David Livingstone ('nother fanfare please) for staying there between trips to Africa.

Bath guidebooks still list David Livingstone as one of the famous people who have stayed in that city. City tours still point out the house at which he stayed. In September 1864, he came to Bath to address the British Association. He stayed at 13 the Circus, and addressed a packed house in the Theatre Royal. He told of his travels in Africa to an audience which, in the words of a contemporary reporter: ' presented quite an array of science and learning'.

Heather - Not only maningi sets of glorious photos but great commentary. Thank you. Hope any bumps and bruises from Chipembe Rapids (Flailing Heather Falls) have faded.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 at 04:02:47 (UTC)


Northerners,

The Zambian Canadian community held a Zambia Independence celebration at Queens Park last Saturday. A crowd of 100 Zambians of all shapes colours and sizes were entertained to cabaret and live music provided by a band called Zam Cab. The leader of the band, Kenny Kirkwood, spent his formative years in the Rep of Z, which accounts for songs like Sansa Kuwa and Tiyende Pamodzi.

Music is expected at functions like this. What is less common is a quiz. On this occasion there was an exercise that every table was expected to participate in. It was called the Zam Quiz. By all accounts quite a tough exercise. I wonder, for example, how many Northerners would answer questions like, "Which anthem did Nkosi Sikeleli Africa replace?" and "Which country has the third highest per capita income in the world?"

The one I found most interesting was the question relating to a fourteenth century African emperor who is now believed to have discovered America some two hundred years before Columbus. I must confess this was actually an easy one for me as I had read the write-ups on the BBC web when the book containing the archeological and historical evidence for this, was launched in the UK.

Would anyone attempt to answer these sample questions?

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 22:34:29 (UTC)


It's good to see so many people singing praises of Zambian honey. I "import" it whenever I have the opportunity to do so. My wife returned from Zambia recently and brought back a few bottles. I have one right now in my office, where I eat my breakfast because I leave the house early in the morning. Zambian honey goes very well with Quaker Oats (which remids me of the spoonfuls of Jungle oats that my mother shoved down my throat when I was about 6) and milk.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 22:12:56 (UTC)


Calling ex-Luanshya people,

Am trying to trace Marilyn Peart, Peggy Jennings and Marion Chester. My sister, Carole Gilges - as she was then, would love to get in touch. If anybody can help, please contact me. Many Thanks.

Heather, the photies are wonderful as usual. We are experiencing severe floods over here, it hasn't stopped raining for a week (nothing unusual for Aberdeen there apart from the fact that the rain has been torrential). Freezing cold, driving rain, Uggggghh.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 20:30:36 (UTC)


Heather,
The fact that the rains have not yet started makes those falls even more impressive. There seem to be a lot of beauty spots in Zambia that in future could be developed for tourism. However as Chris emailed me from Canada they must be full of Bill Harris (bilharzia). I have been lucky, despite swimming in many rivers and lakes I never caught it. My brother Keith caught it and he says the cure was worse than the disease. It really hammered him.

Thanks for the info on the falls name. One becomes confused when one speaks a bit of many different languages, none of them perfectly.

As for the name of that mulunguti tree in South Africa Mazungu's are called Malungu's, so the tree could be almost Malungu ti, or white mans tree. Just making a play on words!

Thanks for the great photos! We are really being spoiled.

Cheers - Doug



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 18:05:13 (UTC)


Heather

Many thanks for the photos.

You say that there are four Kawambwa pictures but I feel this cannot be right as there is a tarred road and lots of buildings in them - surely this must be on the 'line of rail'?

Or is it just that it's forty years since I left as an 11 year old! The only thing I think recognise is the house which may be what was then the District Commissioner's residence - Dennis Frost and Haji(?) Bourne are the ones I remember. Some of the shops date from my time but I'm not sure which. I look forward to showing that particular picture to Ernie Greig who used to run the CBC store and who now lives in Aberdeen.

Kasama is more recognisable to me but the main street has many more buildings than in '67.

For those of us who no longer live in the country it is great to be reminded that things have moved forward in Zambia since we left!

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 16:57:39 (UTC)



Dear Heather you have excelled again what great pics I enjoyed every one and thanks for taking me back to one of my old stamping grounds,the tea was great all my family have depleted it, and those falls were out of this world I should have spent more time looking for water falls instead of looking for manyama if I win the lottery tommorow It is estimated at 15 million £s you will become my personal chaufer and take me round all these beautiful places I will make you an offer you could not refuse so pray for me tommorow. love Johnny.
I know my dear Melanie will be praying.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 16:52:20 (UTC)


The honey or wax more than likely comes from North Western Beekeeping and my good friend Bob Malichi in Kabompo.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 15:31:21 (UTC)


Heather -

Absolutely brilliant photo's!
These have really lifted me as we prepare for winter in the UK. As far as I am concerned autumn (altho lovely) rocks into one with winter and my body tells me to hibernate!! This month is my 21st anniversary in England and I have never got used to winter! I think it's because of the dark, getting up in the dark and going home in the dark ...

Oh I'm homesick!!

Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 14:48:07 (UTC)


Heather.....AGAIN !! a wonderful lot of photos..
Thanks also for your informative history lesson..please continue you wonderful postings with these excerpts, they make life so interesting....... I LOVE THE PREYING MANTIS.....TOP MARKS FOR A WONDERFUL PICTURE

Marriane
I am a regular buyer of a lip balm from a top shop in which sells a lot of bath and "body" lotions ..the main ingredient in the balm is Zambian bees wax....I won't buy any other sort.....

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 14:03:18 (UTC)


Dawie
A preview of Lake Tanganyika

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 13:27:54 (UTC)


Hello All,

My son has just presented in with a jar of Honey from the Virgin forests of NW Zambia.

It appears that the beekeepers hang their hives high in the trees and wild swarms of bees do the rest. I can confirm
that the Honey is delicious.

The Honey is marketed by David Wainwright in Wales.

If you want to contact them their web site is :
www.tropicalforest.com

It seems a nice way to help the Zambians to help themselves.

Cheers,

Maz

Marianne Martin (née Griffiths)Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 12:32:08 (UTC)


Northerners
I think this is the last lot of photos from the waterfalls trip although I still have to check through them all and see if there are any that I have missed. In the queue after these is the Kafue National Park, perhaps a couple taken a few weeks ago in the Lower Zambezi, possibly some on the Zambezi below Kariba and then finally Tanganyika.

Lupupa Falls
These falls a much like Kalambo Falls, tall and narrow. Very few people know about these falls and the road is not a road at all; it's not even a bush track. Unfortunately we didn't have much time there as we were running very late and still had the Mporokoso Kasama road ahead of us (this is probably the worst road in Zambia). Thus we didn't climb down to the bottom - that will have to wait for the next trip.

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I have also included the photograph of our guide. We stopped at the last village before the falls and he rushed off to his house to change his hat before we could set off.

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von Lettow-vorbeck Monument

This is the place where World War I officially came to an end at 7.30 am on Thursday 14 November 1918, a few days after the signing of the Armistice. von Lettow-vorbeck was the only undefeated German General in the War and he surrendered to Hector Croad who was the District Commissioner in Kasama at the time.

von Lettow-vorbeck and his troops crossed into North Eastern Rhodesia near Fife and made their way south to Kasama, not following the telegraph lines, but via footpaths to the east of the line. When they reached Kasama, the armistice had already been signed, but word only got to the British troops about 24 hours later.

However, during these 24 hours, the German troops were moving very quickly southwards and only stopped when they reached the Chambeshi River, where the last few shots of the War were fired.

Hector Croad was a surveyor by profession and spent a lot of time in the bush, accurately mapping North Eastern Rhodesia. The Africans, with their ironic sense of humour and always giving a name of opposite meaning, called him 'Chandanseka' which means 'he who walks with a smile'.

It was expected that von Lettow-vorbeck would make straight for Abercorn after entering NE Rhodesia, but he flummoxed the British by making for Kasama. Croad evacuated all the women and children to Mpika and on 10th November, Croad, together with a Sergeant Rumsey (of Mbesuma Ranch) returned to Kasama where they blocked the road with felled trees. Following that, they climbed one of the hills overlooking Kasama after which Croad said 'I can now tell the government that the Germans have entered Kasama', and they returned to the Chambeshi.

At the Chambeshi, a handful of Europeans (nine in total) prepared to make a stand. They set up two Maxim guns but no one knew how they worked. One of them, Charlie Simpson, buried £ 10,000 in his goat pen as he believed that the trampling of the goats would hide any traces of digging and that the Germans would probably be more interested in the goats than the money. The money was government money or money taken from the stores and shops in Kasama.

The story goes that Croad received a telegraph in the early hours of the morning of 12 November stating that the Armistice had been signed on the 11th but he was to carry on until he got further instructions from General Van Deventer who was trying to catch up with von Lettow-vorbeck from the north. However, everyone in Broken Hill got so drunk when they heard about the Armistice that it was not until midday on the 13th that Croad got the telegraph from van Deventer telling him to get in touch with von Lettow-vorbeck and inform him of the Armistice. By this time, the German advance guard had reached the Chambeshi and opened fire with machine guns on the rubber factory.

The telegram that was handed to von Lettow-vorbeck from General van Deventer read as follows:
'Please send the following to General von Lettow-vorbeck under a white flag - The English Prime Minister sent notice that on 11th November an Armistice was signed and that the fighting on all fronts should cease on 11th November at 11 o'clock. I order my troops to end hostilities as from now and I expect you to do the same. General van Deventer'.

There are two plaques on the monument. The one in English reads 'On this spot at 7.30 am on Thursday 14th November 1918, General von Lettow-vorbeck, commanding the German forces in East Africa, heard from Mr Hector Croad, then District Commissioner Kasama of the signing of the Armistice by the German government, which provided for the unconditional evacuation of all German forces from East Africa.

The plaque in Bemba reads 'Ilibwe ili liatulanga kuti epo banashishye Germani lintu baingile chalo pankondo ya 1914-18. Twapela umuchinshi kuli boonse abashipa abalwile munkondo iyi' - 'This stone has shown us where Germany was rested after they started the war of 1914-18. We give respect to all the strong who fought this war'

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Chambeshi River
In 1979, the Chambeshi River was again the scene of a war. This time the Rhodesian War and it involved Kevin Shone's brothers, Butch and Mike.

A contingent of Rhodesian Selous Scouts were dropped into Zambia with the intention of destroying the Chambeshi Bridge. Butch and Mike Shone, together with Butch's nine year old (I think) stepson, Neil, were travelling to Kasama in two trucks. Butch crossed the bridge but after a while realised that Mike was not behind him, so turned back to see what had happened. Mike had been stopped by the Rhodesians as they needed his truck to make it to their pick up point. So they bundled Butch and Neil into the truck as well, blew up the bridge and proceeded to the pick up point, where they waited for a few days until they were picked up by helicopters. Butch, Mike and Neil were kept in a safe house in Salisbury for six weeks after which they returned to Lusaka via Johannesburg. On arrival in Lusaka, they were immediately taken to 'the Red Brick Building' but finally released. This was because after weeks of interrogation the Zambian authorities realised that Neil could not have kept telling the same untrue story over and over again.

The road bridge was rebuilt slightly upriver, but the remains of the original bridge can still be seen just in front of the rail bridge


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Kasama
Some of the old buildings in Kasama

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Erythrina Abyssinica
July to August is the time when these trees flower. Between December and March, the flowers are replaced by pods which contain 'lucky beans'. The Bemba, Nyanja and Tonga name is mulunguti, the Lunda name is chisunga and they do have another name which is not politically correct, but starts with a K and ends in the word 'boom'

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Now just a few general photos:

The Great North Road and the colours of the bush in August

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Commerce on the Great North Road - Sweet potatoes

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A Bushfire

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Kazembe in Luapula Province

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Praying Mantis

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A Zambian Wedding
Shortly before crossing the Chambeshi River, we came across this wedding party. I acted as their official photographer and have posted their photographs to them.

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Johnny Green
Kawambwa
specially for you

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Gilbert Wilson
Welcome to the GNR. I am arranging a reunion in Zambia - September 2003. Email me.

Doug Grewar
No, rains haven't started yet and looking at all the signs, it looks as though we are again going to have a poor season this year.

The name Lumangwe refers to the sound of the falls; 'luma' to hit, 'ngwe' conveying stone. A leopard in Bemba is mbwili

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 12:26:42 (UTC)


Heather,

The photos and the quality are superlative.

As you know, I am always thrilled to see reports and stories from parts of Zambia that are more rare. The shore of Lake Tanganyika are on of those places!

Thanks for making my day.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 08:38:02 (UTC)


God Bless all the members of the GNR that prayed for our Dad and helped us.


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Dennis and Nicky Whittemore






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 22:59:25 (UTC)


The memorial to commemorate the life of Ashley James Whittemore will be held at Our Lady of Africa Catholic Church in Riverside, Kitwe on Wednesday 23 October at 14.00 hrs. The Whittemore, Jaegnert, Swart and Coutlis families would like to thank all members and readers of the GNR for their deep concern shown for the family in crisis.
Words can not express our gratitude.

Dont grieve for me for now I'm free.I'm following the path God laid for me.I took his hand when I heard Him call. I turned my back and left it all.

I could not stay another day, To laugh, to love, to work or play. Tasks left undone must stay that way, I've found that peace at the close of day.

If my parting has left a void, Then fill it with remembered joy. A friendship shared, a laugh, a kiss, Ah yes, these things I too will miss.

Be not burdened with times of sorrow, I wish you the sunshine of tomorrow. My life's been full I've savoured much, Good times, good friends, a loved one's touch.

Perhaps my time seemed all too brief, Dont lengthen it now with undue grief. Life up your heart and share with me, God wanted me now, he set me free.

Some of you may remember Funeral Blues by W H Auden made more famous in "Four Weddings and a Funeral". I have added a few lines afterwards which reflect the hope that our community worldwide has given this family in a small mining town.

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone
Silence the piano and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let the aeroplane circle moaning overhead
Scribbling the sky the message He is Dead
Put crepe bows around the white necks of the public doves
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was our North, our South, our East and West
Our working week and our Sunday rest
Our noon, our midnight, our talk, our song
We thought our love would last forever; We were wrong!

The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood.
For nothing now can ever come to any good.

When it is all dark and gone is the sun

Our dreams are bleak and the tears still run

All hope is lost and we lie awake in despair

Our life means little and we think it’s unfair

Then there is a knock and a noise at our door

We see a lamp and then thousands more

People in droves come to share our grief

They have strengthened our faith and confirmed our belief

Love surrounds us all and we just had to look

Let us not ask "why" but read the Good Book

To learn that when He gives He also has to take

We will remember your smile from the moment we wake

Once again God Bless you all.




Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 19:26:49 (UTC)


GHOSTS IN THE BUSH (Part 2)

Bill Collier had a partner named O’Donoghue and they trekked up into the unmapped country beyond the Zambezi, looking for minerals.
All they took with them for illness was Epsom salts, quinine, iodine and a lot of will-power. Fourteen donkeys and three Matabele carried their kit as far as the tsetse country when the donkeys were swapped for hired carriers.
For months, these two prospectors followed the trail that became the Great North Road and lived on the country. Game, meal, fowls and sweet potatoes were their staple diet for most of the journey. They eventually came apon the village of Chief Kapopo, and found their hospitable native commissioner named Jones, know to the admiring tribesmen as Bwana M’Kubwa, the ‘Great Master’.
Because of the way Jones had treated Colliers and O’Donoghue, Colliers had promised if they had any luck the discovery would be named after him. Because of the vastness of the country, Colliers and his partner decided to separate.
Not far from Kapopo’s place Colliers found natives using low-grade copper as medicine, dusting it on their wounds. Colliers was told by one of natives who acted as a guide to’ Follow the river and you will find what you are seeking’. Then in June 1902, Colliers saw a Roan and shot it. It fell on the outcrop, which became the Roan Antelope Mine.
Colliers did not at first realize the importance of his discovery and carried on searching. He came across a chief Chiwala who had settled in the vicinity of the present day Ndola. Colliers spoke to Chiwala but learnt nothing of value.
Three weeks after the Roan Antelope discovery Colliers came upon the hugh open pit used by Chiwala. This was the rich copper mine, which Colliers named Bwana M’Kubwe in honour of Jones.

The next Copper Belt pioneer of the area was the man who founded Ndola, Mr. J.E. Stephenson, the famous Chirapula Stephenson of the Great North Road, first magistrate ever appointed in this territory.

EXTRACTS TAKEN FROM: GREAT NORTH ROAD BY LAWRENCE G.GREEN





Keith JohnstonClick here to contact me
Glen Marais Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 18:37:38 (UTC)


Heather

Thank you for those beautifull photos. The Lumangwe Falls look especially good. The water is so clean and such a lot of it! Have the rains started in Zambia or is this still at the end of the dry season? The name means Leopard Falls I should imagine?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 18:28:18 (UTC)


I only found this site a few weeks ago & have spent hours reading the archived messages. Its brilliant. I’ve recognised a lot of people’s names particularly from Charles Cartmill although I can’t remember him. Yes I am a fellow Broken Hillian. Although I was only there for a short time (13 months) it changed my life for good as I met my wife, Pat there. Unfortunately she was married to someone else at the time who thought she was a punchball which was why my stay in Zambia was short lived. Anyway that was over 32 years ago & we’re still happily together.
I thoroughly enjoyed playing rugby for BHMRFC with guys like Jumbo Jenkins, Eddie Du Preez, Peter Gordon Cummings, Peter Durrheim, Frank Tweedle (who I met again during a rugby match in the UK several years later) & many more. I learned how to tackle opponents without touching the ground or otherwise you lost all the skin on your thighs & had to apply some horrible purple stuff to stop it going poisonous. I learned how to open a bottle of Castle with another bottle of Castle in the changing rooms afterwards. We learned not to share the changing rooms with the local football team or it left you feeling very inadequate after the showers. We had some tremendous brais after the rugby which went on to the wee small hours of the morning which also had a lot to do with me meeting my wife. An away game was like going on tour.
I was attracted to BH by the brochure of the smart graduate flats that they showed me at the interview in London. I ended up in a little shack on the mine road which got broken in to every other week. The favourite trick was to break a window & hook things that had been left lying around. I eventually moved in with a fellow rugby player called Chris Warn who was running a tobacco research farm north of the town opposite the army barracks. The road to the farm was completely straight except for one bend. Invariably I left the road at that bend driving back from the rugby club after a session.
Pat lived in BH for nearly tree years & lived in Godetia Street before we became an item & played for the softball team. She worked for Northern Drug. We eventually stayed together in Coronation Flats at the top of the town.
Great memories. I’d love to go to a reunion in Zambia.


Gilbert WilsonClick here to contact me
Loughborough, United Kingdom
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 18:22:40 (UTC)


Northerners
This morning, just shortly after 3 am, I arrived back in Lusaka from Isanga Bay on Lake Tanganyika, where I have just spent the last ten days together with Jim Smith; his father, Dick; and Jim's three children (how did Jim manage to have such wonderful children - I think the credit can only go to his wife, Sylvia).

I cannot put into words how lovely Isanga Bay is- you need to visit it to appreciate it - clear, blue waters; white beaches with palm trees blowing in the breeze; orange sunsets over the water (especially for Arthur); skiing and knee-boarding (not me); falling out of the boat (me); goggling amongst the rocks; Dick telling me about his days on the Mines in Kitwe in the early 50's; palm nut vultures; paradise flycatchers; brown house snakes; blind worms, jellyfish; African oranges served with what was supposed to be a caramel sauce (yes, my caramel sauce failed, but since I haven't made one for the last twenty five years, you can't blame me; the silence of the Zambian night ... I could go on forever.

And then of course there was the trip back conducted in true Zambian fashion - fixing punctures on the side of the road; police officers without enough to do when you arrive at Mpika on Sunday afternoon or when you arrive at Kapiri at midnight, almost falling out of the vehicle (I have to admit to these things because I know that Jim is going to tell you if I don't - he's already told half of Lusaka); the trip from Shiwa to Lusaka taking seventeen hours.

But no time today to sort out all the photos. Plus I still have photos for you from the trip I did to Luapula province and some of the waterfalls in August. Here are the second last batch:

Chimpembe Rapids
On the Kalungwishi River. And just so that you know this too - I fell into these as well (yes, I always manage, somehow, to fall in or out of things) except that this one was one of my more spectacular falls - I was carrying two cameras so ended up with both legs and both arms in the air. And everyone (including myself) was only concerned about saving the cameras (which we did) - as my head disappeared under the water for the fourth time, somebody relieved me of my cameras and someone else pushed my legs down. And thankfully no one was quick enough to get their camera out.

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Chishimba Falls
On the Chambeshi River near Kasama

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Lumangwe Falls
Known as the Victoria Falls of the North, also on the Kalungwishi River

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Kalungwishi River

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 16:04:35 (UTC)


TINA

I KNOW!!!! David Livingstone was also married to someone called Debbie!!! No? I dunno, I give up. It's not their birthdays, I know that. Do tell.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 15:57:53 (UTC)


Loved the ghost story below. Anyone else got any good African ghost stories for this witching season?

Ours isn't even a ghost story but common as the scenario is it has its scary side.

Our gardener became sick and morose. He got thin. His health was fading fast and he was dwindling to a shadow. We found out someone had put a death curse on him. Obligingly he believed he had to die so life was fading from him. After talking with him the remedy became clear and it didn't lie in medical science. My father bundled him onto the bus with money to go and visit his village witchdoctor and get the curse removed. A month later he came whistling up our drive with a spring in his step and a light in his eye completely restored to life. I wonder if his enemy was doing as well?

Serious Quiz question: What do Scarscalp and David Livingstone have in common?









Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 13:13:49 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS!

Noticed that David Livingstone made it in the 100 GREATEST BRITONS as last night on the BBC revealed.

I thought the top ten list was reasonable, except for the inclusion of John Lennon and Diana Spencer.

The next few weeks will reveal what the rest of the Nation thinks.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 09:33:51 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added selected items from Zambia Magazine Dedember 1965 - President Attends OAU Conference, Zambian Awards Announced, Radio Factory for Zambia and Zambia at Nairobi Show. - see Brian Barratt's section.

Regards Ian

Can I suggest to all of us that this is a time for engaging brains before fingers! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)!

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Monday, October 21, 2002 at 08:19:04 (UTC)


Northerners

Please take this message very seriously, I am not going to waste words.

I have already had one complaint over this weekend relating to matters posted here on the GNR.

Now after Elias's posting below (Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 15:09:32 (UTC)) my e-mail and that of the other members of the management team will be flooded once again with even more complaints within the next 24 hours or so.

Some current members have very short memories indeed, we nearly lost having the GNR Message Board a few months ago and only by having the Code of Conduct drawn up and put into place did we get it back.

I accept in the real world that nobody is going to comply fully and rule-breaking is going to be the norm, which includes myself and some others here behind the scenes. That is a fact of life. Nobody likes rules, nobody is perfect.

But there is a distinction between occasional rule-breaking and outright abuse of the integrity of this web site. That is shown in Elias's posting of a link to a page of extreme and obscene diatribe which has no place here on the GNR.

Craig and the others of the management team are away presently and I do not expect to hear from or be able to talk with any of them until maybe late tomorrow afternoon.

When a decision is made tomorrow make no mistake - I will not be standing by and watching the future of the GNR put into jeopardy by any person - no matter who that might be. I have put a lot of work into this site and will protect it come what may.

Elias - your continued apologies are hollow and no longer acceptable, I have left your posting live for now so that nobody is in any doubt why I have posted this message and the reasons behind any decisions that will be taken here tomorrow.



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 22:31:07 (UTC)


Craig and Dave Cooper
Sorry guys, I couldnt resist this last one, after reading Keith Johnston's ghost message, just below. It was copied from ZWnews. Craig, I think you may have dealt with the editor before. She certainly wont sue you.
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From The Mail & Guardian (SA), 19 October

Zimbabwe police arrest the nude 'ghost' thief

Harare – A thief who disguised himself as a ghost using ash and grease and robbed foreigners at a prime tourist site in southern Zimbabwe has been arrested, the Herald newspaper reported Saturday. The thief, who worked naked, his body daubed with ash, took goods and money worth 20-million Zimbabwe dollars ($360 000) over a four-year period from tourists to the Great Zimbabwe monument, an ancient stone-walled citadel. "Some tourists even formulated theories that the 'ghost' was the godfather of the monuments, angry with the constant visit of foreigners," the paper said. Police ended the bogus bogeyman's lucrative spree last week when they raided his home in Masvingo, 292 kilometres south of Harare, the Herald reported.
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ps. I did try a link but couldnt get it to do a portion of a page.


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 15:30:06 (UTC)


UNCENSORED MESSAGE BOARDS
Some of us (me in particular) get carried away with inappropriate postings and complain bitterly when we
are told off.
Here is an example of an uncontrolled board. (Gill Main, Sue Forde, Jaqui Milward dont open it)

Click on this link to have a look at a free-for-all
message board. Dont try and read through it, it can get revolting, just pick up a few bits and pieces and insults.

ZambiaOnline-Rumours Page

If the link goes straight to the home page, look for "Rumours Page" on the left and click there.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 15:09:32 (UTC)


GHOSTS IN THE BUSH

Northern Rhodesia was so malarious early in the last century that very few of the pioneers who travelled hopefully up the Great North Road remain to tell the tale.

It was a cruel land for the few white children, one in three died, compared with one adult in ten. Blackwater fever was the great killer of those days, though elephants trampled some and others were murdered.

Some places gained evil reputations, like Chiengi, the ‘ haunted boma’ on Lake Mweru. One man after another died at the boma, not only from natural causes but sometimes mysteriously. As a result it was closed down before WW1. It was reopened again 10 years after the war and again Chiengi began claiming victims again. One official had a nervous breakdown, the next died from undiagnosed condition. They closed Chiengi for good after that.

I have seen a list of missionaries of various religions, Jesuit priests, White fathers, and the police troopers and explorers, surveyors and traders, who entered Northern Rhodesia before the end of the South African War. Prospectors and miners were there. Traders arrived in search of concessions or cattle, ivory or rubber. Mariners and engineers were sent by the African Lakes Corporation to launch steamers on the lakes. British South Africa Company officials fought the slave traders, while the police of the same company pursued white outlaws with more or less success. Hunters discovered a new paradise. Farmers settled in the wilderness, mainly round about Fort Jameson.

Inevitably there were characters that gained local fame and nicknames. ‘Captain Kettle’ built a lake steamer. ‘Zambezi Browne’ traded in Barotseland. ‘One Eye’ McGregor was an Australian cattle-trader.

The discovery of the Broken Hill and other mines made the country known to the outside world, and the railway was built to serve the mines. Fifty years before there were only 1000 white men living along the railway line between Livingstone and the Congo Border.

Copper moved the capital from Livingstone to Lusaka. Copper transformed Ndola from a wayside station with a boma and a few corrugated iron trading shacks to a modern town at the junction for Roan Antelope and Nkana and Mufulira.

Millions know the Roan Antelope by name. How many realise that a chance shot, a dead buck on a copper outcrop, led to this vast enterprise? Mr. W.C. Colliers, the man who fired that dramatic shot was also the founder of Bwana M’Kubwa
.
Extracts taken from the book ‘Great North Road’ by Lawrence G. Green:


Keith JohnstonClick here to contact me
Glen Marais Johannesburg, South Africa
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 14:39:21 (UTC)


That should read "Cathy Buckle has NOT posted". I must shoot my proof reader. Old Timers disease strikes again!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 10:47:56 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

Did you all watch the BBC broadcast of AFRICA UNMASKED last night? It was an exposé on the return to Africa of a Sierra Leonese writer and daughter of an ex-government official, and of Peter Godwin (author of MUKIWA).

Part was filmed on Sierra Leone and part on Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Excellent broadcast in my opinion.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 10:47:07 (UTC)


I see Cathy Buckle has posted this week's letter from Zim on her site http://africantears.netfirms.com/thisweek.htm
I wonder why?

By the way the owner of that (elephant stew) site that I mentioned, Peter Thomas, contacted me and thanked me for the link to the GNR. He told me the correct name for his site is http://www.funkymunky.co.za

It is well worth a visit. It has all the recipes that many people have asked about on GNR. Koeksusters, boerewors, boebotie, etc.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, October 20, 2002 at 10:45:40 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added Volume II - No. 1 - 1953 of Northern Rhodesia Journal to NRJ Section

Lewanika's Visit to Edinburgh: Early Photographs
Visit to Kilwa Island and the African Palm
Namwala in 1906
The Nyasa Rosy-Cheeked Love Bird
The Gun Trade in Central and Sothern Africa
Memories of the 1914-18 Campaign
Bashing the Bush
A Crocodile Incident

Notes (The World Sculling Championship on the Zambezi, The Photograph of Building the Falls Bridge, New Contributors to this Number, "Bobo" Young, Shiwa Ngandu, The "May Party" in Abercorn, First Records - No. 3 - The First cricket Match, Captain Langham MC, Gervas Clay's Scrapbook)

Correspondence (A Shark in Lake Tanganyika?, Blind Fish, The Armed Forces of Central Africa, Angus Cree Remembers, We Rouse a Gad-Fly)
Book Reviews

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 22:42:46 (UTC)


Proof that domestic hilarity doesn't happen only in Zambia

Court warns hungry Englishman who beat his wife with stale loaf

(An example of how to post a link to an article in such a way as to avoid getting me uppity about copyright.)


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 20:11:12 (UTC)


SCHOOL DAZE .......BATH HOUSE CAPERS


Cleanliness is next to godliness, or so I was led to believe as a young boarder at St Stephen's College in Balla Balla, Rhodesia.

At the end of each dormitory was a large concrete bunker that served as the communal shower.Dozens of naked youthful warriors from the rugby fields would disappear into the white cloud of steam that escaped at the entrance to the showers to enjoy the hot water that soothed their battered bodies.

After showering as the naked multitudes would dry themselves, invariable a yelp would be heard above the hubbub when an unsuspecting dimpled buttock felt the sting of a flicked towel, and a crack (no pun intended)reverberate around the room like a bolt of lightening.

Once a week,each dormitory enjoyed the pleasures of the Bath House, a place where one could luxuriate in any one of the twenty sterile white bathtubs that lined the wall, ten on each side of the long damp room. Rays of light, would filter through narrow windows located near the ceiling.

A favourite Bath House Caper was to flood the smooth concrete floor with soapy water, and to hurtle oneself, sliding the length of the Bath House on our cherubic pink posteriors trying to avoid colliding into any of the baths and of course the sting of any towels that awaited us down the long slippery slope.

Greater speed and distances were achieved by taking a longer and faster run before crashing onto the floor and hurtling past the rows of baths.Many individuals trying to break land speed records would step outside the Bath House
into to a cool early evening breeze and increase their run up distance by several yards.

Every term there was an open house and proud parents would make the long trek to the College often with siblings in tow. Not much attention was given to younger brothers, however great interest was paid to any young ladies that were visiting. It was during these times that many testosterone challenged young men would be encouraged to shatter Bath House records.

Lookouts stood on the baths and peered out the soap scum encrusted windows ensuring the way was clear. A half dozen or so naked contenders would step outside, all the time being encouraged to take a longer run up. A signal would be given and the first contestant would speed towards the open door with arms and other bodily attachments flailing in the air ..... then panic and agony would show on their face as the door to the Bath House would be slammed closed with a mass of naked humanity on the inside pushing the door to ensure that it could not be opened. Almost simutaneously,panic and fear gripped the other would be contestants as they scrambled to hide when caught by the smiling gaze of any young lady that just happened to be walking by and had gone undetected by the lookouts.







Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 16:42:29 (UTC)


Ali,
I was reading through the site that I recommended to Dawie and I came upon a recipe for Pumpkin fritters with Amarula cream, so there is something for you.

See also Amarula.co.za for lots of neat Amarula cocktails.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 15:15:17 (UTC)


Davie
A site that might interest you is http://wind.prohosting.com/outabout/

Sorry I don't yet know how to make this into a link so you will have to cut and paste it.

It contains a section on traditional South African recipes including Elephant stew. It also has an Afrikaans section.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 14:31:33 (UTC)


This message has been edited to comply with the Code of Conduct.

Elias,

Arthur is a common name. So is Dave, Heather, Craig, Bill, John, Sandi, Juli.

So I get a lot of email from arthurs, daves, heathers, craigs, bills, sandis, juli, suzis, and so on.

I delete them all because I know they are junk. If I don't know the person, the mail is deleted. If the name is not complete, as I have instructed my mailer to display it when creating the address book, or that I know all mail from Arthur Steevens is going to be Arthur Steevens and none other then I delete the mail. NO QUESTIONS.

Any mail from girly names ending in "i" I delete it.

Notice how your regular contacts write up their email. Normally I use all caps in my mailer Subject line. I have done that since the 80's when email was first used noncommercially. It indentifies my subject lines to me and my contacts. I know what caps mean in netiquette, and I don't use it in the body of the messages, so please no lectures about shouting. I am not.

I also tend to delete mail with no subject line. I try to be inventive and identifiable with my subject lines. And I change them as the thread changes.

I also only have email intercourse with a select few people around the world, so I know their style and the cadence and tone of their subject lines and messages. I have rarely made a mistake since using email in the late 1980's.

Anyone who posts me email without posting their full name in the header will have the mail deleted. Also, any email that includes my email address login name will be deleted. Friends do not do that. Machines and scripts do. That is trouble.

The point is, if you receive email from an unknown source, delete it.

I hope these tips help.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...


DAVE COOPER
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 13:46:44 (UTC)


Odd E-Mail?
Just now I received an e-mail from "Arthur" with the subject "has your e-mail been down?". I thought "Oh no its Grumpy Steevens going to give me a lecture about using the GNR properly"

Anyway, there were no viruses around so I opened it, and it was spam mail from a company advertising Website monitoring. Is it just a coincidance or do they know that all the GNR readers will open an email from "Arthur"
The owners name isnt Arthur by the way.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 12:47:01 (UTC)


Doug W......et al

Re the copyrite laws, I am just a minnow in this neck of the woods..however, to publish a copy of something that is not yours is a serious breach.....when I asked Arthur to post that picture of the Pangolin a few months ago, I got written permission from the photographer....sent that along with the pic of the Pangolin.....no problems at all, but had I asked Arthur to post it without the letter,that would have been very wrong........hey I love EG's postings too,but rules are rules........

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 10:13:02 (UTC)


Sorry! That should be spelt INGWENYAMA!

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 10:04:49 (UTC)


Firstly let me wish Johnny a very Happy Birthday. Enjoy, you old Skellum!

I see people are getting a bit heavy about tarty letters & copyright. Copyright agreed, but be gentle. Must be all the pressures of living in the first world! No hi-jackers, farm invaders, openly corrupt governments, soaring crime rates, Kings grabbing maidens, and other neat things, to keep you all occupied?

As the Swaziland Ambassador to the GNR, I must report to you that agents of his Majesty, Ingwenyanya (The Lion)Maswati we Sithathu (the third), have grabbed an 18 year old schoolgirl to be the King's latest wife. She will join the King's many (around 9) other wifes. This is in line with Swazi tradition and culture. The previous King, Sobhusa the second, had over 100 wives and over 600 children.

A very unusual situation has arisen whereby the mother and grandfather of the girl, have raised an objection, and lodged a case in the court against the seizure. This is unprecedented. Previously people have been happy to have their daughter selected because this will assure them of wealth and status in Swazi society. Further his Majesty, being an absolute Monarch is above the law, he cannot be summoned to a court. In consultation with the Labadzala (the elders), He appoints and dismisses the Judges and the government. A very interesting situation, and quite unique in the modern world.

The modern Leaders also have multiple wifes but they have them in series rather than in parralel, whereby the previous wifes get divorced and thrown away. The Swazi Swazi system is much better. The Leaders would be so busy making love that they would have no time for making war!

I will keep you informed on developments.

Cheers - Doug



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 10:01:43 (UTC)


Rick Zappia is in the UK and Malcolm in Port Elizabeth.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 05:23:38 (UTC)


Dear Craig

glad you cleared that up about HTML. I saw the messages in plain text and in black and wondered if I had lost the plot somehow.

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 05:00:27 (UTC)


Sheine
Malvine MacGregor and I were good friends at one time, way back in the early 70's. She was crazy over Russell Boosey at the time and I was...well.. just crazy.. He! He! I have a wedding photo of her that she sent me. She was living in Umtali (is it still called that?) the last I heard of her, but that was many many moons ago.

George Maxwell
Happy birthday for the 20th.

Mad Maggi May
Happy birthday for the 20th.

Geoff Paynter
Happy birthday for the 21st.

No bells or whistles. Just best wishes to y'all and have a good birthday celebration.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 03:29:14 (UTC)


Craig - all I'm saying is that you seem to be a little paranoid about what the GNR members will post . Why don't you let them be...

Noone will sue you . You do a great job .

Doug



Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
London and Univ Maryland USA, England
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 02:54:41 (UTC)


Doug,

I knew somebody wouldn't be able to let this issue slide.

The owners of the republished articles are the ones who would call this republishing "copyright infringement". Getting one's arse sued off for copyright infringement has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness -- how you made that connection is beyond me. The occasional quote from such articles constitutes what is known as "fair use". Wholesale republishing of articles (especially without noting the source) is copyright infringement. If you have a legal opinion that dissents with that, I'd like to see it. Please provide it to me via postal mail in writing and at your own expense, and make sure that it covers the legal systems of Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom.

To whom would the "infringees" complain? My name and my company's name (not yours, I would like to point out) are all over this site. You put two and two together and ask yourself who the lawyers will serve with papers first. If I go down, the GNR as you know it will go down too.

I have told Elias how he can continue to provide this entertainment to you. It's a process called linking -- quite a useful technology on the Web. Elias didn't seem to have a problem with my suggestion, so I don't see why you should on his behalf. He's a big boy now.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 01:46:57 (UTC)


Lighten up fellows !

Elias puts up some very funny news from Zambian newspapers that reminds us of the silly stuff from our younger days .

Who the hell would call this an infringement of copyright , and who would the "infringees" complain to ? Its totally unlikely to cause the collapse of GNR so lets all chill out .

The humour of Zambian life is one of the reasons we log on to GNR , and why we have such great reminiscences . No PC needed here,

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
London and Univ Maryland USA, England
Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 01:13:42 (UTC)


The HTML Queen, Linda Hayes
Linda I was just joking about Craig and Davy watching HTML posters "with Beedy Eyes". I was only joking, in fact they werent too concerned about it and never mentioned "Megabytes" at all. (I dont know what they are either, I just heard some kids talking about a game which had so many megabytes, and it sounded good)

What did worry them was postings copied from the web and posted on the GNR which could cause copyright problems. They suggested a simple solution, using HTML and making a link.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 20:37:25 (UTC)


hi everyone, more names to add to my list. madeleine walker(ex mufulira) sheila burrell(chingola) caroline perry(kitwe) and malvine macgregor also ex kitwe. anyone out there know where they are? also valarie lentin(cannot remember her married name).

Sheine Fisher (née Bernstein)Click here to contact me
Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 19:56:31 (UTC)


Elias (and others regarding HTML),

Sometimes in on-line communication it can be difficult to tell when someone is trying to be funny, but not succeeding. I find myself in that position today.

As Dave has correctly pointed out, I brought up two issues in private e-mail with you (Elias) -- although they were initiated by a message I posted in public on the message board. One issue is "tarty" headlines, and the other (more serious, as Dave has made abundantly clear) is copyright. Dave has, I believe, dealt with the copyright issue quite unequivocally.

As for the use of HTML, I have posted these thoughts before but I'll post them again. The script that runs the message board has a setting that will allow me to disable HTML in posts. I have consciously chosen not to do that, and have in fact provided a "Guide to Using HTML in Your Messages" so that people may use HTML should they like to. Of course, there's much more to HTML than the basics that I've outlined in this Guide. In fact, your (Elias') headline with yellow lettering and blue edges is something I have never seen before, so I learned something new from you.

That said, right there in the second paragraph of the aforementioned Guide, it says, "Well-written messages posted in plain text are more expressive than badly-written messages displayed using all sorts of fancy formatting, which can sometimes detract from the message." As I said to you (Elias) in private e-mail, moderation is the key. Besides, as I also pointed out, not all browsers support this advanced and (in some cases) non-standard HTML. The "marquee" tag used to produce scrolling text is a prime example of a non-standard tag that is not supported in versions of Netscape that are still widely used. Also improperly displayed in even the latest version of Netscape is your yellow text with glowing blue edges. Additionally, not all people reading the message board appreciate singing and dancing text.

In posting HTML messages we all make mistakes, myself included. On some message boards these mistakes can make a dog's breakfast of all message below the screwed up message. I have designed the GNR message board so that this will not happen here, but occasionally I will come along and clean up somebody's HTML anyway just because I'm a neat freak. I don't know where your comment about "using up GNR megabytes" came from, as I never referred to such a concept.

Like a number of recurrent issues on the GNR, this one also comes up occasionally. Hopefully it won't drown out all other conversation for the next three weeks.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 19:54:19 (UTC)


Chris Swart

I remember the 2 Zappia Brothers. Their father used to run an electrical shop in Kitwe. Anyone know of their where abouts.

Ken (Kenneth) HamiltonClick here to contact me
Plymouth, England
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 16:47:57 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

If you have read what Mr. Hartnett and myself have been saying in the last few posts you will of course know that we are NOT talking about HTML at all, and that, in fact we are talking about copyright issues. What megabytes has to do with HTML usage is beyond me. I have been working with computers since 1979, perhaps someone can explain?

But don't waste time on that, as that's just gobbledigook.

What is NOT gobbledigook is infringement of copyright. Please do not put the GNR in a position whereby it will be liable for infringement of copyright.

If you do, there is a good chance there will be no GNR.

That is the point that Mr. Hartnett and myself are trying to make.

Thankyou.

DAVE COOPER
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 16:44:52 (UTC)



Thank you all my dear friends for the birth day wishes I wish I could have posted a couple of the cards I recieved but I dont think the keepers of the keys would have approved.
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Thank you Chris for the tip I will try and get on, I posted the signature the bank needed but it will take at least 7 days to get to them, but i sent it off last monday so maybe next week Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 15:53:45 (UTC)


Linda Hayes

Beware!!! Craig HartnetT and Dave Cooper have got their beedy eyes on amateur HTML posters using up GNR megabytes.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 10:20:26 (UTC)


Happy Birthday Johnny. I will give you a birthday tip. Look for Ipi Tombe in Dubai on the World Cup night.You should get a big price outside of South Africa.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 04:48:56 (UTC)


I dunno if you SHOULD mention your real age Johnny. You look a little wasted for your 30 years. Ted says take three Chorus Girls and call him in the morning.

Happy Birthday, dear friend,

Ted, Tina and Chris Magee

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 02:33:47 (UTC)


Whittemore's NatWest Account

I have posted the information for the Whittemore's NatWest account in the UK on their members-only, password-protected page. Depositing donations to this account might make more sense for people in the UK.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, October 18, 2002 at 02:20:36 (UTC)


Uncle Johnny
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Big Hugs and Kisses (might now find out your real age - delve back into the photie albums - in-house joke).

Enjoy, from KK (killer kat) and moi.

Luv Ya


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 23:27:14 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BWANA GRINS!
YOU ARE FOREVER MY FAVOURITE.

Your old friend inred sends special regards to you and reminds you to take your vitamins every morning so that you can continue to chase the ladies for many years to come. She also said to tell you to stop lying about your age... He! He!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU

I'm dead meat if this is all messed up.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 23:16:25 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added to Miscellaneous/ Law & Order some newspaper cuttings about the pre-independence troubles of 1960/61 from Roy Williams.

Dr Foust, C.A.R.S. Bus, Mundu Bridge - Chinsali, Mrs Burton,
Fort Rosebery - Kasama Attack, More Africans Shot,
Luapula Death Threats

I read these in detail just after reading Kenneth Kaunda's book, 'Zambia shall be free' which obviously looks at the struggle for independence from a different perspective but at the same time condemns violence.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 21:32:15 (UTC)


Well now Mr. Green,
After our meeting at the bash, and our little chat's!!!! and we even met at breakfast, we were the first from the bash in the morning, and you never mentioned that it would soon be your birthday!!!!! You XXXXX Fox you. I hope that you have many many more.
Love and Kisses
Wilma

Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 21:06:28 (UTC)


BWANA GRINS

You sly ole fox - why U not let on it was your birthday! Many happy returns for the day and my U live exceedingly long & propsper my ole (pun only) mate. Happy Birthday JG! I will down a Castle or two or mebbe 3 in your honour!

Brasso

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 20:20:21 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DEAR BWANA GRINS....aka JOHNNY GREEN.......BEST WISHES AND HOPE YOU HAVE MANY MANY MORE......MUCH LOVE FROM Ali, Alice, Jade,and Leah.....


its the 18th here already, so you can have a much longer day for your birthday.......

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 19:29:16 (UTC)


Elias
Your posting regarding the demise of Diggers is noted. I however inform you that the entire remnants of Diggers left in 1984 when the beer after a game against Nchanga was warmer than the showers.
Terry Morgan persuaded the core of the team to come over to Chib and Diggerluma was born. This riled the press who coined the phrase "racist chibuluma" despite Aaron Chulu being the Chairman and Gershom Kombe Club Captain.
Times at Chib are remembered fondly, with a three legged beer race to Nag's head and back coming to mind. The Zappia brothers annual prize fight. The Silvey brothers undercard and the Hovelmeier-Elliot mismatches were all notable nights.
At the end of the 1985 season Chib had to win one of the last three games to win the league and they lost all three.Terry Morgan, Gershom Kombe, Mark Silvey, Wyatt Hovelmeier, B J Thorkildsen, Mike Leigh,Malcolm Zappia,Steven Simpemba,Dean Hovelmeier, Brett Hovelmeier,Mark Gibson,Ricardo Zappia, Ian Paul, Seymour Ferriera, Vargo Hornby, Peter Campbell, Keith Mills and a few others will ring some bells.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 18:57:28 (UTC)


I have submitted Lotta's Natwest details to Craig and Arthur.Our deepest gratitude to all the members and friends that have come to our side in this most trying time.
We have some solace knowing that there are many friends out there with a common background that stand by their countrymen and friends when the call comes. We shall never forget the kindness you all have shown.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 18:45:03 (UTC)


I have been trying to contact Henri Papier in Kitwe without success. If anyone sees him will you please tell him to contact his sister Ann urgently.

thanks

Ann Moss (née Papier)Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 13:47:17 (UTC)


Western Union from USA

Confirming no hitch from USA to Kitwe. Chris was able to receive the transfer immediately. Great! I sent it to Chris and not Lotta because she is in SA right now. Chris kindly deposited it straight into her account. No problems.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 12:08:50 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS!

Breach of copyright is a serious offense. In the US in particular, but with poorer countries who see £££ in the origins of the breachers, it can have clout too.

I have been involved in the publication of software and documentation both printed and online since 1979. I can assure you this is a most serious issue.

The future of the GNR is in your hands. Please use common sense.

Thanks.

DAVE COOPER
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 08:35:28 (UTC)


hi everyone,
i have a list of names of old school classmates from st johns between 1964 and 1966.they are: richard garson, john stwewart, john holland, john clifton, steven rosner,helen gawith, margaret sellars, cecelia chileshe, barbara schmidt, barbara jercinovitch, naynabin kapadia, melanie henrichson, frances fagan, maureen doyle davidson,lynette cooper,irene de beer,jocelyn lehout, michael neatler and theresa dunn.gregory crawford and i would very much like to know what became of them all. anyone out there recognize any of the names?we have located john holland who is on the names directory but no one else.gee, thats quite a mouthful of names.

Sheine Fisher (née Bernstein)Click here to contact me
Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, October 17, 2002 at 07:49:56 (UTC)


Elias,

Ag man, your posts are starting to look more and more tarty. And I hope the copyright police don't come calling someday. :)


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 23:47:23 (UTC)







SOME PROBLEMS ARE GREATER THAN OTHERS



The Post (Lusaka)
October 13, 2002

A respectable married woman does not go around with a shaved head, painted nails and painted face, a 33 year-old man seeking a divource told a Lusaka local court.

Mackford Chalwe, was testifying in a matter in which he sued Maureen Musekwa, 23, for divorce. Chalwe told Justice Sainet Chitambo that they had been reconciled by a court earlier in March this year and he even took the pregnant Musekwa, back home.

He disclosed that she miscarried and despite promises that she would change, Musekwa had continued with her unfavourable attitude.

He told the court that whenever he got home he wouldn't find his wife. "She moves around with a group of women that look like prostitutes," he said.

Asked what such women looked like, Chalwe replied: "They paint their nails and face and shave the hair on the back of their heads." Chalwe said one day he came home after a hard day's work and asked Musekwa to prepare him some nshima, but she refused and insisted that he has some tea instead. He said the drink had a strange odour and when he questioned her on it contents, she threw it away. "For all I know, she was trying to poison me," he said.

Chalwe also said he found some 'medicine' hidden under the blanket on the bed he was sleeping on. Musekwa, who did not want the marriage to end, said Chalwe had a habit of spending nights out of the matrimonial home. She said one day he came home drunk and chased her away.

Musekwa maintained the 'medicine' Chalwe produced in court was hers and "My granny gave it to me for stomach ailments," she said.

Justice Chitambo granted the divorce with no compensation.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 22:16:05 (UTC)


CHEER UP EVERYONE, THOSE BIGHEADED KITWE RUGBY PLAYERS HAVE BEEN BEATEN
CHIBULUMA retained the ZRFU Knockout Cup for a second year running when they came from behind to beat "Men at Work" Diggers 17 -9 in the final played at Roan Rugby Club in Luanshya on Saturday.

Diggers, who were the losing finalists last year, took a 6-0 lead into the break before Chibuluma rallied in the second period to win the game.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 20:26:46 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

16/10/02 Added selected items from Zambia Magazine July 1965 - President Attends London Conference, Tobacco Industry Plans, Munda Wanga, University Vice Chancellor, Kariba Bream Picture. - see Brian Barratt's section.

Added to Miscellaneous/ Law and Order some newspaper cuttings about the Congo Troubles from Roy Williams.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 19:14:47 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY......JADE ..........

OUR MIRACLE GIRL IS 11 YEARS OLD TODAY......

LOTS OF LOVE AND WISHES......

FROM MOM, ALICE , AND LEAH.......plus, Jasper, Izzabella,Rosie,Poli, and little Noir.......

HAVE A GREAT DAY.......




Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 16:49:19 (UTC)


Chris Swart
Checked with Western Union this morning. They have confirmed the money is ready for you to pick up in Kitwe. Please let me know when you have it. That was easy.

Northerners, I was checking the area where Craig has posted details of the Western Union info, and thought I would remind you about the Test Question and Answer that Chris has given us. I had never used Western Union before and so when I first saw the posting Chris put on the GNR, that part made no sense and I actually thought he had made some type of posting error and ignored it. I used my own question and answer and it was not until this morning when I re-read the info that I realised what that meant. Just thought I would bring it to your attention. I also reconfirmed to Chris was question/answer I used, so that worked out okay.

Arthur
I sent you a response re USA distributor for CD's. Let's talk when things are going better for you. I will also check to see if you are on Yahoo chat this evening if you see this today.

Ian Page
If you are still out there, please contact me re previous business proposal if you are still thinking about doing that.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOY MARSH



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 14:19:18 (UTC)


I like Arthur's suggestion and will post a cheque to him.

Take care everyone

xx

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 11:58:53 (UTC)


No worries Craig - better safe than sorry!

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 11:06:14 (UTC)


Northerners

My apologies for the extended outage of the message board overnight (GMT). It was a holiday here on Monday and I was away most of Tuesday (Pacific time) and logged on to find that there was considerable concern expressed here and in my e-mail over the long weekend about the banking details that were posted on here -- including by Chris himself. I didn't have time to deal with the situation immediately, so decided that the best thing to do was to take the board down until I could.

What I have done is removed from the message board the banking information provided by Chris and placed it on a password-protected page accessible by all GNR members with the same user ID and password that you use to post messages or to log into any other members-only areas of the site.

(Lost or forgotten passwords can be retrieved using the password-recovery form.)

I did actually speak to my bank about the situation. They agreed that an account number and a SWIFT code were not enough to make a withdrawal from an account (a la our Nigerian friends), but that it provided enough information that somebody savvy enough could then track down other information and before long they'd have enough to do something dirty. Sad but true. Unfortunately this adds hoops to the process of donating to the Whittemores, and so may result in slightly fewer donations, but we have to consider this insurance against possible future loss.

Also on the donation page is information about the CDs that Arthur is selling on behalf of the GNR, all the proceeds of which will be donated to the Whittemores. When Arthur has time to work out the logistics, more information will be posted here and on that page.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 06:21:20 (UTC)


I am feeling very sad about Vivienne and Ashly Whittemore who both died last week.

Ashley died a hero trying to rescue his little daughter from a fire lit by a candle burning because of a power cut, on a farm near the Kamfinsa stream outside Kitwe.

I miss them both intensely already and would be glad to hear from friends of the family.

Mary Fisher (née Fisher, formerly Purvis McMullan)Click here to contact me
Nambour, Queensland, Australia
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 20:51:22 (UTC)


I'm please that my school photo reached you and hope that anyone out there might remember someone on it and contact me. Yes it is a long time ago, but believe it or not I am still in touch with many school friends from those day and also met up with a few more since hearing about the Great North Road. It brings back lots of happy memories of our days in Rhodesia in the 50's and 60's where I grew up, especially when I see clips from the Rhokana Review.
As you can see Margaret de Lange (nee Charles) and Marianne Visser (nee Valk) have recently met up in Canada. We had all three hoped to meet up in England in 2000, when I decided to return to the UK to live, after spending most of my life in Africa. We did managed to see each other that year, but not all together as we'd hoped.
I'm sure there are many people that will remember my family and I would love to hear from them. My father worked for Anglo and was very involved in the Little Theatre, being Baby Bear in Goldilocks and the Three bears, also the Dame in Hansel and Gretal. Paul, my brother was a pupil at Frederick Knapp and Kitwe High. I was at Kitwe Primary and Kitwe Girls High until we left in 1962.
I will see if I can find some other photo's of interest to send.


Barbara Hey (née Brock)Click here to contact me
Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 20:02:18 (UTC)


A comparison of Zambian and Cypriot Local Courts
From the GNR Resident Pervert, who has come to the conclusion that Zambian courts are much more interesting.
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Forensics called in over detainee's gender
By Alex Mita(Cyprus Mail)

FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST Eleni Antoniou was summoned by police on Monday to verify the sexual identity of an Iraqi, who was kept in the female ward at a Limassol detention centre, until his inmates called security.

The pre-operative transsexual arrived in Cyprus on demanding political asylum but was detained by the authorities after he failed to produce a valid identification.

He was taken to the Limassol District Court where he was remanded in custody for a further eight days. Due to his female attire, he was placed in a cell along with female inmates.

When it became apparent that the detainee was not what he presented himself as, officers had no other choice but to call forensics.

Speaking to the Cyprus Mail yesterday, Antoniou said the transsexual had male genitals, but had induced the growth of his breasts with special hormones.

"He is, was, definitely male, and still is in a way," she said.

"He claims he came to Cyprus to have his penis removed because he couldn't have the operation in Iraq."

"The law doesn't forbid anyone to dress or present themselves in any form they wish," she said adding that it was not the first time she was summoned to verify someone's sexual identity.

"There were three more cases," she said, "but they were younger."

The detainee is now at a male ward in Limassol until police investigations are completed.

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Elias


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 19:04:45 (UTC)


CHRIS COTTON

Thanks for your message. Unfortunately it was accident before I got the opportunity of reading it and keeping our email address to reply to. Can you please drop me another line. This time it won't be deleted and I will reply. Speak to you soon.

Des

Des Kenny (formerly Crouch)Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 17:24:43 (UTC)


johnny, lynette was definately a kitwe girl.not the sporty type at all at school.we went through school together at st johns and then we both went on together to maris stella convent in durban.did keep contact with her for a while when i found her in devon but then she stopped writing.cannot remember the name of the guest house in teignmouth,somthing like dawlish house but i have looked at accomodation on the internet in teignmouth but come up with zero.thanks for the reply.

arthur, did you get my email? finally bought a scanner.my son got it for me.could not take my moaning about pictures anymore.now i am trying to work the damn thing and have a problem sending them through.please let me know where to s
end them and i will post them.

heather, if there is a zambian reunion in livingstone next september i will be going.my younger daughter samantha will come with me,she has never been up north.

Sheine Fisher (née Bernstein)Click here to contact me
Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 07:56:27 (UTC)


Linda, Chris et al

The Message Boards of the GNR are open to the whole world to see, apart from those archived before April this year, which Craig has now hidden behind a password for viewing by members only in order to prevent e-mail addresses still visible there falling into the hands of spammers.

My suggestion is that people post their cheques direct, or use something like Western Union or something similar in their own country to pay into the Whittemore account.

For people living in the UK it may be more secure if Chris e-mails me the details of Lotta's Natwest account privately, and then for any member wishing to donate to post me a crossed cheque payable to Lotta Whittemore which I will pay in. The contributions will remain strictly confidential, but if anyone wishes to pay an amount in privately I will e-mail them details of that account and they can go to their local Natwest Branch to do so. People wanting my postal address will have to e-mail me for it first.

I'm not sure if we're being over cautious here, I have seen bank account details given publicly when a charitable appeal has been made in the past, but I would still be cautious like you Linda in any event.

Chris - Please e-mail Craig direct if you would like the previous bank account details you have posted removed from the Message Board, I would do it myself but Craig has set new parameters in doing this, which he gave me details of, but I can't find at the moment. I can only remember how take the whole thing off-line, which I don't think will be appreciated by anyone.

Thank you all for your kind condolences, and yes Chris I'm thinking of your families too.

My e-mail remains unanswered and will do so for a little while yet, I hope you all understand.

If you need to contact Craig please e-mail him direct as he does not read the message board as often as I do and may miss any messages posted here for him.

And just in case he does look in - Craig and Sandra - my thoughts are also with you today.

On a lighter note why don't one of you ask what sort of shopping trolly (oops car) Dawie has bought for himself? And then ask him what colour.

Dawie - Have you found your way off that roundabout yet? You must have got one of those with a wonky wheel that never go in the direction you steer them (well all shopping trolleys have one wonky wheel - even the brand new ones)

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 23:42:04 (UTC)


Craig or Arthur
I have just had a thought. We are all wanting to help so badly but are we absolutely sure this is a secure site? I mean Chris has posted info on the Whittemore bank account to help us out, but wouldn't it be dreadful if the Nigerian scammers or anyone else unscrupulous for that matter, are able to get to this information for their own ill-gotten gain?

Regarding Western Union from the USA. I have double checked by phone with Western Union today and they have assured me, no problem whatsoever to Kitwe from the USA. The man was extremely helpful and even told me not to do over the internet, but to go to an agency instead, because the fee is less. For $100, it cost $15 through an agency. Agency means ANYWHERE that offers service. - i.e. grocery store, etc. Pickup in Kitwe on the other end is when the doors open tomorrow. No delay. I am going that route.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 21:51:03 (UTC)


Marianne Valk

I don't know where Cynthia Tillett (Torr) is now but her brother Kevin Torr is on the members list on the Rhodesians Worldwide website www.rhodesia.com. He is based in South Africa.



Ann Moss (née Papier)Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 21:31:51 (UTC)



Sheine Fisher, I rember a girl in Chingola called Lynette
Cooper she was a champion swimmer and swam for Nr could this be the same girl? I can try and trace her if you think it is Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 20:01:36 (UTC)


Lotta has a Natwest Account in the UK. I will post details and hopefully this will cut costs for you all.
I thank you all for the kindness shown from all corners of this earth.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 19:52:52 (UTC)


I would like to contribute to the support-fund for Ashley's family. I didn't know the family at all but this is such a tragic situation! Would it be possible/feasible to open a fund account here in the UK that we can deposit into and Lotta could draw/transfer from it when she needs to? I am very weary of 'wiring' money to Africa and when I tried to wire money to SA through Western Union about a month ago they had suspended the service? Any suggestions would be welcome.

To those of you who have received a virus alert regarding someone from Virgin Trains trying to send an infected message, please be assured it was not me! I have asked the IT team to have a look at it as the address format is incorrect. Thanks for the warnings Johnny and Gill.

Hugs to all

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 19:35:11 (UTC)


hi northerners,i am trying to find an old school friend from st johns, lynette cooper.last heard from her over 2oyears ago living in teignmouth,devon.she married a guy by the name of ray roberts and i think were working for or owned a hotel(or guest house in teignmouth.her dads name was eric cooper(cannot remember her moms name.she had 2 brothers the younger one was richard(i think).anyone out there remember her from kitwe?

Sheine Fisher (née Bernstein)Click here to contact me
Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 18:15:35 (UTC)


Arthur my thoughts are with you. We walk the same path of sorrow.
God bless you all for your kindness. It is truly overwhelming.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 17:08:35 (UTC)


Hi Folks I,m Marianne valk now living in Holland I,m looking for my old school friend Cynthia Torr married to Glen Tillet in the 60 ,s in Kitwe. I,m on holiday in Canada going home today Does any body remember me or my brother Peter Valk from Kitwe

Steven and Margaret de Lange (née (wife) Margaret Charles)Click here to contact me
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 16:54:24 (UTC)


Chris

Please pass on our condolences to Lotta and family. What a a terible thing to happen to one family.

Arthur

Our sympathy on your loss. Our thoughts are with you. Take care of yourself.

Please could we have a copy of the Rhokana Review Magazine disc. We would like to pay for any expenses incurred in making and sending the disc. Please let us know when you require cheque.

Ada and Chris

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 14:39:49 (UTC)


UK Members
Are there any members with banking connections or a relative with banking connections who would be willing to asssist with collecting and transferring money to Kitwe. It appears to me that the cost of transferring small amounts is too costly and we should try and maximize the amount given.





Chris CantrellClick here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 14:26:55 (UTC)



Sorry Chris there will be a delay will keep you posted Regards Johnny.

Hi Johny

Unfortunately I need your signature to authorise the transfer/withrawal of
funds from your
account. Kindly print a copy of your e-mail request , sign it and mail to me
soonest at
Box 21 Swakopmund.



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, October 14, 2002 at 09:21:41 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added selected items from Zambia Magazine
October 1965 -WHO Conference, Renewable Resources,
Birdlife Paintings, Facts and Figures. - see Brian
Barratt's section.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 19:51:57 (UTC)


Using Western Union to send money to Zambia

Here is the link Elias is trying to post:

Western Union

Hope we have got it right between us. I did not read the GNR to see if Chris Swart has given us any other instructions that may contradict using Western Union before I posted this, so my apologies if we should be doing it some other way.

Standing by, Chris?



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 18:56:09 (UTC)



Chris give the family my heartfelt condolences, I have told a bank to transfer an amount of N$ to one of those accounts you published just check they arrive there next week Regards to you Lisa Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 16:26:55 (UTC)


Scarscalp
I strongly agree with you, last I heard there were 7 people from a Perth football team missing,....a bit too close to home....I was going to say comfort,,but I don't think it is safe anywhere in this crazy world...just keep offering prayers that peace and goodness will prevail....

My heart also goes out to Lotta and children...and the rest of the family

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 14:51:26 (UTC)


Easy way to wire cash, using your credit card
Linda Hayes may be posting this link as well after trying it out, but your donation will be converted into Kwacha and can be collected at either Kitwe or Parklands Post Office. I will try a small amount now to see how it goes.
It should work because my brother-in-law in Bahrain occasionaly sends his wife in Dundee some money.
www.westernunion.com/homePage.asp

Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 12:05:25 (UTC)


To those that have lost, or have friends who have suffered in Bali our thoughts are with you.

What people do in the name of religion and or politics is beyond me.

ScarscalpClick here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 11:23:56 (UTC)


God Bless you Arthur.
The best alternatives would be either mail cheques to
Anna Charlotta Whittemore
P O Box 20133
Kitwe
Zambia

Or send Western Union transfer to
Anna Charlotta Whittemore
27 Congo Way
Riverside
Kitwe
Zambia

Test Question
Love GNR
Answer
God Bless

Should Lotta's physical details be needed to ID I will get them for you.

Once again I am overwhelmed with this kindness and love that you have shown.
God Bless you all.

Chris, Lisa, Dennis and Nicky


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 09:38:28 (UTC)


Chris or Linda or anybody else,

If you would please post and/or send to me any additional methods to get money to the Whittemores, especially if they would be more reliable, quicker or cheaper (for either party) than wires, that would be great. I was planning to send this information via e-mail to all 600 or so GNR members, but I will hold off until I have any better suggestions.

Arthur,

Thanks -- you have agreement from this quarter. And my condolences again on your loss.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, October 13, 2002 at 03:12:24 (UTC)


Sarkyarthur!

Put me down for one copy of the Review CD as it IS in a VERY GOOD CAUSE! Let me know when U want the cheque?

Cheers - Brasso

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 22:59:55 (UTC)


Chris and the Whittemore family.

Sometimes one does just not know where to start at sad and tragic times like this, and to also try and help out the best way one can.

I propose the following and hope this will bring a little financial help over the coming years to the Whittemore's and this will mainly involve Nkana Kitwe members of the GNR.

As nearly everyone here knows I have been slowly scanning Rhokana Review magazines loaned to me my Guy Hobbs and Peter Hills, as an ongoing project for the GNR.

To this end I will make an early release of the Review material I have scanned to date on a CD - which is 28 magazines out of a total of 87. In our combined possession we have nearly every copy from October 1953 through to September 1959. We all know what wonderful material they contain from the very few images I've posted here over the last few months.

I will now make the CD's will be available to all Members of the GNR at a price of equivalent £30 sterling - half price for any GNR Members over 65 (unless of course they wish to donate the full £30). This may seem like a high price to pay, but for this members will get a CD with the 28 issues I that have scanned up to now AND a final CD with ALL the other magazines when I have completed the project in perhaps around 2 years time, this in effect will be around 30p a magazine - a small price to pay. If anyone wants to pay more then please feel free to do so.

If any member is prepared to be a volunteer to help out with localised distribution it would be great - one each perhaps from South Africa, Australia and North America. Volunteers will need a CD writer and be willing to supply at their own expense the blank Cd's and mail out into their own localities copies of the master CD which I will supply. My previous experience of past CD releases show there will be an initial surge but this will quickly tail-off to a smaller steady stream.

If no volunteers step forward to help, I am willing to finance the blank CD's and postage costs myself as long as I am able to do so.

ALL the proceeds will be donated for the benefit of the Whittemore children, hopefully this will also provide a small income stream for them into the future, as new members find and join the Great North Road.

I have yet to talk to the other members of the GNR Management who I know are also keen to do something and I will let you all know over the next few days how all this project will be organised. This may take a few days as my own family have also just suffered a sudden and tragic loss.

In the meantime if any volunteers wish to help out please contact me, although it may take a week or so for me to reply to any e-mail at the moment.

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 22:34:03 (UTC)


Chris Swart

On behalf of all the Brassingtons please convey our heartfelt deepest condolences to Lotta & all the family on the tragic death of Ashley! Our thoughts and hearts are with all the family & friends. God bless them all.

Gary Brassington

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 20:47:56 (UTC)


David Norris
Just because Manchester United are back on a roll it doesnt mean I dont want to hear from you.
Please call me on 260-96-901612.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 20:10:03 (UTC)


Thank you all once again. Linda I cant express more thanks. Your Kitwe-Texan accent enchanted Dennis who kept on telling us that he spoke to Linda from Texas.
To you all, it's the love and thoughts we appreciate and how we have got by so far is largely due to your kindness.

God Bless you all.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 19:56:30 (UTC)


Linda Hayes
Linda, I was just going to put a cheque in the post. It saves on the bank transfer charges and if yours is in US dollars Chris can just bank it direct into the Dollar account.
Alternatively if anyone at home has excess Kwachas and they need Dollars or Pounds , they could bank the Kwacha into the local account and we can transfer the equivalent here.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 17:25:18 (UTC)


Northerners in the USA

If you are planning to try to transfer money from the USA to Kitwe to help the Whittemore family, can I suggest that you phone Chris Swart first, please. I have just tried with my bank and they baulked. Zambia is red-flagged as a "slow to pay" country and my bank would not guarantee it getting to the intended recipient. They also will not put any kind of tracer on the transfer until after 3 weeks from the transaction. First one free, and then $15 per tracer request after that.

Chris and I are talking about the Western Union option instead. He may post something here about it later as I have just now spoken to him. But I wanted to get this info out, as wire transfer may not be the best way to go after all.

Chris put Ashley's sweet little boy, Dennis, on the phone to say thank you to me. Caught me totally off guard, as you can imagine. When I heard his little voice,it brings it all even closer as a terrible tragedy for this family.

Take time to smell the roses with your families, folks. There is nothing in this world that is more important than that. Some of us are nagging at our kids to tidy their rooms, while Lotta is wondering where to get clothes to put on her childrens' backs. A huge reality check...

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 15:10:08 (UTC)


I did not know Ashley or his family personally but I will be donating something. Fire must be one of the worst ways to die and to have a lingering slow death as Ashley did is really horrible.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, October 12, 2002 at 13:10:36 (UTC)


Dear Arthur

I only just recently joined up with the Great North Road, and have already made contact with an old school freind John Holland and Sheine Fisher (nee Bernstein). What realy surprised me was to see both my sister Lindsay and myself Gregory Crawford in a group photograph of Carol McLarty's birthday party. My mother (Tina is the one with the dark glasses in the back row.
I would love to know where the rest of the group are now?
Best regards and thanks for the memory
Greg Crawford

Gregory CrawfordClick here to contact me
Port Edward Natal, South Africa
Friday, October 11, 2002 at 21:40:24 (UTC)


Tears blind my eyes. I can not express gratitude to the friends that have come to our side in this great time of need.
God Bless you all.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, October 11, 2002 at 20:37:16 (UTC)


Chris

Please pass our most sincere condolences to Lotta and all the family on the tragic death of Ashley, our prayers and thoughts are with her and the children. May God givem them strength in this time of need.

We will most gladly send a donation - will sort it out today and will pass the notice on to all we know

With love

The Gogle & Riddle Famlies Canada, South Africa, Zambia & Zimbabwe

Norma Gogle (née Tupper, formerly Riddle)Click here to contact me
Summerland, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, October 11, 2002 at 18:36:29 (UTC)


It is not often as a family that we ask you to walk alongside us. We walk today with heavy hearts knowing the tragedy that has befallen us. Our husband, father, son, brother, brother-in-law, uncle and friend has left his young wife Lotta and children Dennis(8) and Nicky(6) without a single possession on this earth.
Ashley Whittemore a farmer in Kitwe, Zambia, fought for his life in Sunninghill hospital after suffering major burns in a fire that destroyed all their property in the early hours of Thursday morning 3 October 2002.
In the confusion Ashley went back into the fire to look for Nicky his daughter and suffered 90% burns that led to his death yesterday after slipping into septic shock on Thursday 10 October 2002.
What the future holds for this devastated family we know not.The children need a future and love.
We only ask this of you. Should you wish to contribute the smallest amount, please make a donation to the following account

Banking information has been removed at Chris' request to prevent potential fraud. Members of the GNR can get this information on this password-protected page. Please use the same user ID and password that you normally use for the members-only areas of the GNR.

Or mail to
Lotta Whittemore
P O Box 20133
Kitwe
Zambia

For our South African friends we will be opening an account if you are unable to remit funds externally.
If you are unable to donate or unwilling to give anything we understand. We have walked in your shoes. We then ask that you forward this mail to all your contacts in your address book to your friends assuring them that this is genuine and no hoax.
This family needs your help.
Should you need verification please call
Chris Swart- 260-96-901612
Kent Jaegnert-260-2-220536
Nico Coutlis- 260-96-785165
Britt Marie Jaegnert 260-2-239004
Kattarina Jaegnert 260-2-222213
Lisa Swart 260-96-780157

Should you wish to contribute in the smallest way materially please e-mail me Chris Swart

aceauto@coppernet.zm

Please show your love and understanding that you would not want your children to walk in the shoes of Dennis and Nicky in their current state. Please make their future safe.

May God's blessings be upon you all that have shown your concern and prayers.

The Whittemore, Swart, Jaegnert and Coutlis families.




Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, October 11, 2002 at 16:16:30 (UTC)


Chris

It is never easy when words dont come and tears blind our eyes but we are so very sorry to know the sad news about Ashley.

Having been introduced to him again last year was amazing. I recalled vividly with Cedric the events of his birth and as I hadnt seen him since. It was wonderful and touching to see before me, albeit briefly, this vibrant young man.

Our heartfelt condolences to Lotta, the children, Cedric and both families. May our prayers be of comfort to you all.

Kris and Julian





Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, October 11, 2002 at 08:19:20 (UTC)



My experience of prawns is limited to Beira and the uk the ones we used to get in pkts in NR before the big collapse were mediocre, but we used to enjoy them, the ones in Beira were the saltiest that I have ever tasted but that was because they were consumed in bars ,were free, and encouraged you to drink more of that CUA beer than you intended to do, I think that Gordon could be right, if you are puckeyed any prawns would taste nice, my dear Fiona I am not suggesting that you were in that condition when you consumed yours, Love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, October 11, 2002 at 07:52:28 (UTC)


Chris Swart
My condolences to the family on Ashley's passing. This is a terrible tragedy.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 22:12:06 (UTC)


Fiona,
Your taste buds are directly connected to you nostalga sensor in the lefthand lower frontal lobe. Yeh right, I also wrestled crocodiles on the kafue in my youth. Seriously, I think it is purely the company you were in, the number of wines or beer you had consumed and the good time you were having,that has any bearing on the taste of prawns. Maybe the quality of the sauce had a lot to do with it.
Sorry if I have burst your bubble. I didn't mean too.
Cheers Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 21:45:18 (UTC)


GORDON GARLICK

I expect you are right. Geography was never my strongest subject, but tell me why the prawns taste better.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 21:00:21 (UTC)


FIOANA GAYTHER,
The Banguela current is on the west side of the sub continent and is cold,hence the perpetual fog on the Skelleton Coast of SWA. The Mozambique current sweeps down through the Mozambique channel on the east side is a warm current. Hence the corral reefs around Bazaruta island which reqire at least 72*f.

ELIAS AND JOHNNY,
What do think about the frog in the bath tub picture? Or are you speachless? The later I find incomprehensible !
Cheers Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 19:58:51 (UTC)


Chris,

Didn't know what to say before and can't think of anything profound now. I'm sorry and my condolences to those left behind.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 17:54:28 (UTC)


Ashley has gone to hunt the plains above having left us this morning.Our thanks to you all for the prayers and support.
We plan to set up a trust for the children Dennis and Nicky and I will post details in time.
Once again, God Bless you all.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 17:04:54 (UTC)


B A R R Y!

I have to admit something which opens up the Kimono and bares the fact that I am not really TOTALLY southern African because I have not, wait for it... I have not actually eaten prawns in Lourenço Marques! (I may have in Beira, but that is not the same, is it?)

On the other hand, I HAVE had Port Jackson prawns and Balmain Bugs, having lived in Balmain itself in Sydney in the 1970s.

So I can't say which is better.

However, it IS a fact, I believe that cockroaches of the sea do in fact thrive better in dirty water than in pristine water.

I am sure Port Jackson (Sydney harbour) in the 1970's was far from pristine!

Barry --- what is it like in Maputo these days. Give us an economic/political/social report. How many Portuguese remain? How many are returning? Is it safe? Are you totally eaten alive by mosquitoes. Should we come for a holiday?

Standing by...

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM
Derby for the time being...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 16:45:29 (UTC)


I have had both Australian and Mozambique prawns and I can assure you that Mozambique prawns win hands down. Apparently seafood from cold water (Benguelu current?) are much more flavoursome than seafood from warmer waters. Now Balmain (or Morton Bay) Bugs are another thing entirely.... (oops! I borrowed some of Ali's dots!)

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 16:18:05 (UTC)


Barry
The waters on the west coast of Australia are the most pristine of all waters,(of course ....being the otherside of the Indian ocean......).....our waters are tested, and are clean !!!....
oh and the prawns are clean and pristine as well......
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 15:34:37 (UTC)


Barry
Forget the Australian prawns - nothing beats the Maputo or Dar es Salaam prawns - all that sewerage in the water.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 15:01:14 (UTC)


Barry
If you get to Perth...there are prawns here too.....
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 14:47:09 (UTC)


Dave C
Well, I'm at it too - sitting in an Internet cafe in Maputo to post this. I couldn't get a clean line from my hotel last night and ended up reading my email on my laptop through a virtual modem and my GSM phone. Today my GSM has packed up ... so I've had to buy a new one!

Arthur
Yes, yet another of these monotonous and boring business trips. In Maputo until Saturday, then to Dubai for a meeting Sunday before London and Reykjavik late Sunday night. Pity there's no Maputo or Dubai Bash to drop in on ...

Heather
Oh, don't I know it! I was at Costa do Sol last time I was here - 18 months past. More prawns tonight .. I'll be thinking of you all!

Maputo, Mozambique

Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 14:25:35 (UTC)


Crocodile Story.

Your picture reminded me of yet another incident with crocodiles our family had.

Well, this happened to Kerry, my oldest brother. We had troubles with crocodiles along a stretch of river on the farm. Some of you may remember the story about when the river flooded and the crocodiles came into our yard. One particularly large chap had attacked the native women, while they were doing their laundry. They preferred to do their laundry on the river bank, despite the “laundry area” mom had insisted Dad make for them.

Well, since Dad had several friends who fancied themselves great hunters, they decided to come out for the weekend and go croc hunting. They built a hide along the river bank, and sat there waiting. Kerry was designated the only one old enough to be with them, and so he was sitting with the big game hunters.

Dad is a diabetic, and so as time passed, he began to be in need of tea and sandwiches, and since nothing was happening, Kerry was sent to the house to order tea. He trotted along the bank, following the path to the house, and then turned up away from the river, as the path wend its way homeward. He had not gone more then a few strides toward home when he realized the log he was about to jump was not a log at all. He screamed, loud enough for the hunters to hear him, and ran back toward the river. The crocodile was in hot pursuit. Though Kerry was running as fast as he could, apparently the croc was still gaining on him. Well the hunters saw this, but could not shoot at the croc since Kerry was in the line of fire. As he turned up the bank to run toward the hide, everyone expected the croc to continue straight and go into the river, but in fact, it turned too, and continued after Kerry, both of them running along the bank toward the hunters. As you can imagine this still put Kerry in the line of fire. My Dad yelled at Kerry several times to jump aside, but he did not hear right away, or was too scared to try. However, as the croc was getting very close, Kerry did jump into the bush, away from the river. All three hunters fired, but not one of them hit,. It was enough to send the croc over the bank into the water though.

Apparently it was rather a large croc, though every time I hear the story, I feel sure the size increases! I think the three hunters were my father, Michael Murphy, and his friends, Colin Hillier, and Argyle Beukes, but I cannot be sure


Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 13:05:08 (UTC)



Chris if prayer will save your buddy I'm sure he will survive as we are all praying for him Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 11:16:38 (UTC)


Ashley has gone into septic shock and there is very little hope. His heart has weakened and his BP dropped.
My thanks to you all I have placed my faith in God to see this through.

Love to all
Chris

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 10:36:17 (UTC)


Heather.....
Thanks for that link, what great pictures, the child of Africa in me is calling again.....how many others get that feeling......
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 09:40:22 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS
Some interesting old photographs of Victoria Falls

Victoria Falls circa. 1891

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 07:45:00 (UTC)



Viviane Turner, Seymour Ferreira


Happy Birthday




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 05:30:20 (UTC)


Brian Geyser

Just looking at your 45's with the Aces. Really enjoyed that posting and the story. What a coup it would be to snag one of those now. It's not impossible. Things turn up unexpectedly.

I wonder who the MP was who owned and initialled the records - maybe a relative of Brenda's from the band.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 04:42:38 (UTC)


Gordon
Thanks for making me feel like a fat old chitombo after seeing myself in those photos so long ago. He! He! Actually, if you check with someone whose memory is still intact (namely your wife), I do believe she will back me up when I say that the baths we took were at night, and the water was boiled on the camp fire. Perhaps not in kettles, but in something resembling large steel buckets with handles, if I recall now. The tin bath was in the privacy of a tent and we all bathed in the same water, although not at the same time... It may not have even been on that particular softball trip either, but my memory has served me correctly. Was that the same trip that a hippo stepped in someone's boat during the night? Also, while it is a bit fuzzy now, I went on a number of trips with John that did not include a large crowd. Those were great days of enjoyment and I wonder if we will ever get Africa out of our veins, no matter where we live.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, October 10, 2002 at 00:28:31 (UTC)


Elias Georgopoullos

And

Linda Dore

Please can you keep your posts in one place so that we can read them without getting sea sick ?




Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 23:27:06 (UTC)


Johnny

The toilet seat posting is completely after my own heart. Love it!!! Incidentally - As I once explained to my slightly put off son on a south Texas camping trip any woman who has spent time in the African Bush (between car doors at roadside does not count) can pee standing up. It's SAFER!

But what's all this "Honorary Male" stuff? Now it IS an honor. You males are delicious, very cuddlesome and exciting, vastly interesting, brave, foolhardy, dexterous, comforting, exasperating, maddening - most of the things it takes to stop a woman dying of boredom before her time.....Many qualities that women share actually. Now here's the question. How do we divide the qualities? Do we need to? If so for what qualities should we applaud you as "Honorary Women"? You see, that's a huge honor too. XXXX




Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 23:13:25 (UTC)


Northerners !

Barry Woodrow will be too busy just now quaffing down best Portuguese wine with his giant Mozambique prawns to send in a report. Before he gets round to giving us an up date on how good it all tasted I thought I'd post up an article from an old Rhokana Review which shows how the place was in the good old days. All this talk of Mozambique prawns is making me so HUNGRY.

Barry - it was good to meet you at the Banbury bash - are you on one of your "business" trips you told me you have to suffer so often ?

Elias - what are Masserratis? I think you qualify as a girl.

David Gray - Take a look at Ian Singers website - the latest update to the Northern Rhodesian Journals he has just made mentions the boat Maizie and another named Beans, (Volume I - No. 6 - Dec 1952 Page 11) - Was this the other boat you were asking about? You will find a mine of stuff on his fantastic web-site.

Ian - Thanks for letting us know about the recent updates - I spent an hour or two already this week reading all the stuff in the NR Journal - brilliant and so interesting - thanks! (I should have been at work)

While I'm at it - please remember there is a now a Code of Conduct in place - some messages recently posted here are more suited to private e-mail. Thought I'd just mention it before someone gets their fingers burned.


Arthur




'Aqui Lorenço Marques'

CANNES, Nice, Monte Carlo, Biarritz, Estoril - what do they mean to a Rhodesian? Blue seas and bluer skies, sunshine dazzling on white walls and red roof, flowers a riot of colour against tropical greenery - and above all, the infectious gaiety of an atmosphere that is 'continental'.

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The very name of Africa brings to mind a vision far removed from the endearing charm of the French and Portuguese playgrounds, yet tucked away in the south-eastern corner of this great dramatic land we find Lourenço Marques, an enchanting realisation of many a nostalgic Englishman's dreams when he reminisces about 'the Continent'.

Much less than a hundred years ago, Lourenço Marques was a fever-ridden collection of wooden huts. Today, the capital of Moçambique, it is a spacious and gracious city, a gay and light-hearted city, a city that opens its arms to visitors seeking the sophisticated sparkle of the Riviera on the tropical shores of the Indian Ocean.

What does Lourenço Marques have to offer that you do not find in the many beautiful coastal resorts of Southern Africa? It is the subtle unmistakable atmosphere of Portugal, encountered everywhere in the pavement cafes, the undulating rhythm of Latin music, the 'vinho', the bull-ring and the 'Boites'.

What is there to do at Lourenço Marques? Well, you can swim, sail, go deep-sea fishing and angling, make many a sight-seeing trip; and especially you can eat and drink and dance - with a difference.

In Lourenço Marques the cafes are the hub of social life, the meeting-place of friends and families, where conversation over a leisurely drink goes on all through the day and well into the night. If you go shopping for the attractive red and blue Portuguese pottery and embroidery, or for the fascinating ornaments and jewellery to be found in the Chinese shops, you will undoubtedly round off your trip with a cool drink at one of the many cafes where gaily coloured chairs and tables set out on mosaic pavements invite you to rest. One of the most popular is the Cafe Continental, as European as its name implies, its heavy carvings and colourful wall paintings each bringing to Africa a little story of Portugal.

An original restaurant is the Marialva, or Bull-fighter's Restaurant, with its superb cuisine and cellar, and romantic air. The walls are lined with bull-fighting trophies belonging to the owner, Antonio Feliciano, once one of Portugal's most famous bull-fighters. There is the stuffed head of a bull, which brought Feliciano's career to an end by fracturing his arm, and here we have his cape, bandarillos, muletta and the stuffed head of his horse.

You may even be able to see a bull-fight one Sunday afternoon when the great sports arena is converted into a temporary bull-ring. Whilst lacking the spectacle bull-rings in Spain and Portugal - bulls in Lourenço Marques are more humanely destroyed outside the ring - this ancient Latin sport provides a thrill, which you will not be able to find elsewhere in Africa.

Food in Lourenço Marques is varied and delicious. At the Costa do Sol, a short distance out of town, where the water laps gently on the sands and the palm-trees rustle in the breeze from the sea, you will find the best sea-food in Africa. The Coimbra is famous for its spicy piri-piri chicken, beloved of visitors to Lourenço Marques, and at the Golden Dragon you will find excellent Chinese food.

If you are unacquainted with Portuguese wines, you will be pleasantly surprised to find them as delicious as many that come out of Europe, in particular the well-known light Casal Garcia, and the world-famous port wines. Not only is 'vinho' the most delightful drink in Lourenço Marques - it will also suit your pocket-book for it is much cheaper than spirits; and the light-hearted glow imparted by the Portuguese wines will put you in the mood for the carefree gaiety of the city.

Many visitors to Lourenço Marques look forward with eager anticipation to the night life, and here again is much that is 'different' and is fun. After the stereo-typed beat of the average band, you can step into a world where the rhythm of rhumbas, sambas, boleros, tangos, carriocas will set your feet tapping, and you will want to dance until the break of day.

Nightclubs in Lourenço Marques are known, as in France, by the name 'Boites', and of these one of the most unusual and fascinating is at the Girassol Hotel. High on the rooftop of this circular hotel (the name means 'Sunflower') the Boite commands a magnificent view way out across the Bay to the hills of Swaziland, and across the hundreds of sparkling lights of the city. Decorated in 17th century Portuguese style, picturesque murals of 17th century Portugal. medieval battle-axes and coats of arms of noble Portuguese families line the walls.

A proverb above the bandstand informs visitors that the gentry of Portugal were used to good wining and dining.

The black and cream draperies of the Boite at the Polana Hotel lend a sophisticated touch to the continental mood, whilst at the Aviz the atmosphere is more romantic and 'intime'. The Acquarium introduces cabaret numbers with artistes from Lisbon and Johannesburg.

Wherever you visit a Boite in Lourenco Marques, you are welcome. No need to be staying at a particular hotel to visit its Boite - all are open to the public and there is no cover charge. Dancing begins at 9 p.m., but does not get into a swing until midnight, when it continues into the early hours.

Of the hotels, the best-known is the Polana. Standing high upon a cliff, over-looking the great sweep of the Bay, it is one of the finest hotels in Southern Africa. You will find no better place to acquire a fashionable sun-tan than by the magnificent swimming pool of the Polana, where long, comfortable chairs invite you to relax, attentive waiters stand ready to bring you iced drinks, and you can watch ships of all kinds from fishing vessels to great liners sail across the bay. On warm, tropical nights the terrace of the Polana is floodlit, and you can dance under the stars to the strains of Latin music.

'Aqui Lourenço Marques' ('This is Lourenço Marques') is an announcement well known to radio listeners. Now is your opportunity to see for yourself what goes on at the transmitting end of the radio beams you pick up at home.

The Radio Club de Moçambique - so called because it originated with a group of enthusiastic Hams who formed a club and asked the Governor for a licence to broadcast music - welcomes visitors. A charming Portuguese Hostess will show you all over the magnificent building, invite you to watch a programme going over the air, and initiate you into the mysteries of broadcasting.

For your further entertainment there are four cinemas in Lourenço Marques where English films are shown. You will also want to pay a visit to the Museum, which houses what is perhaps the world's most amazing collection of animal life. The result of 20 years' work of Peso Lopes, a Portuguese taxidermist, the animals have every appearance of being alive in their natural environment. You can see them stalking their prey, crouching in defence, and even in combat. You may also make a conducted trip round the Town Hall, to see its wonderful carved halls, huge crystal chandeliers, period furniture, and magnificent paintings of the old Kings and Queens, portraying the luxury of long-ago Portugal. One admirable trait of this new and beautiful city is that wherever possible it displays the history and traditions of its homeland in Europe.

There are many excursions to be made outside Lourenço Marques - to see the hippos up the Incomati River, the herds of elephant in the reserves close by, a launch trip to Inhaca Island, a ferry-boat trip across the Bay to enjoy fresh prawns and shellfish for lunch.

If you are a member of a sailing Club in the Federation, you automatically qualify for membership of the Naval Club at Lourenço Marques. The kindly and hospitable Portuguese will help and advise you if you wish to go sailing, deep-sea-fishing or angling.

How do you reach this little corner of Europe-in-Africa, which is a far cry from the Copperbelt? Well, the easiest way is to fly there with Central African Airways on their through service from the Copperbelt to Lourenço Marques every Saturday. For several years C.A.A. have operated an inclusive holiday to the Polana Hotel, giving land-locked Rhodesians an opportunity of taking a 'continental' holiday far from European shores. It is justifiably a very popular holiday - and you must remember to book at least three weeks in advance. And when you leave this gay, romantic city with the haunting rhythms of boleros and carriocas still singing in your ears, you will be saying not 'Goodbye' but 'Ate logo' for you will surely wish to return.

Rhokana Review - July 1955




Dear Arthur:

Glad to hear you all had such a great time at the Banbury Bash - sorry I could not be there myself.

Continuing in the same vein of old Chingola/Nchanga photos-from-slides I began last month, and thank you for doing such a marvellous job at improving the presentation, I hope you will be so kind to post the above attachments from NCCM Leach Plant, taken 1965-1968, with a couple of more recent shots in April 2000 (scanned from prints):


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145: Chingola Open Pit July,1965



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146: (a) Concentrator, with Bancroft concentrate lorries ("the Mad Lads" ) at the weighbridge in the foreground -July 1968
(b) 350 ft Washing Plant Slimes thickener



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147: (a) High Grade Oxide (HGO) Leach Agitators -1968
(b) HGO Leach Thickeners (crude copper sulphate leachate)



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148: (a) Precipitation agitators ("copper hyroxide") 1968
(b) do. Dorrco underflow pumps



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149: (a) Purification releach agitators 1968
(b) Tankhouse overview 1968



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150: (a) & (b) Electrowinning cells and crane 1968



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151: (a) Old HGO Leach revisited 32 years later -April 2000
(b) Old Bedding Bins - Apr 2000



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152: (a) Old tankhouse revisited - Apr 2000
(b) Old Metallurgists' offices Apr 2000



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153: (a) Old mets' offices - Apr 2000
(b) Old loading bay for starting sheets/anode casting? Not sure, my memory fails-help?



Thanks Arthur, once again I hope you can oblige with at least some of the above.


Bob Allan

Melbourne




Froggy,

Your memory is good but not that good.

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Herewith pictures of you next to John with Skeif''s Boat. Included are the girls in the Kafue bath. You didn't know it at the time, but I was on Croc watch, and I don't remember any hot water in kettles. You are shown sitting in camp with Mrs. Palmer-Hunt. Skeifs boat was named Juanita and he drove like an idiot and put six holes in the bottom of the boat. The last one is of yours truly driving John Dorrington and Russell Banning down the Kafue. In case you are wondering, I sent three other bathing pictures to Johnny Green and Elias Geogopaulous who are advising me on whether I can publish or not.

cheers Gordon.




I came across this photo the other day and wonder if there is anyone that can remember those days at Kitwe Primary School.

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This I think was taken about 1956. Mrs Williams was the class teacher. Those were great days in the 1950's and 1960's in Kitwe and I still have lots of happy memories and have kept in touch with many friends who are now scatted all over the world.

The Great North Road is a wonderful way of keeping those memories.

From

Barbara Hey (nee Brock)




Gordon - Interesting photos - Johnny and Elias are still making their minds up.

Bob - Good contribution - thanks !

Babs - Brilliant school photo !

I should know some of those children - I was an inmate here about that time - but it was so long ago - no doubt you will get plenty of response here. Thanks for sending the pic - now how about having a go at posting here?


Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 22:36:54 (UTC)



SORRY.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:53:10 (UTC)



Elias regarding Tina I don't think so, she puts the seat down after using the toilet.
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Linda OH what big eyes youv'e got.
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:50:43 (UTC)



Elias regarding Tina I don't think so, she puts the seat down after using the toilet.
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Linda OH what big eyes youv'e got.
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:50:41 (UTC)


CANADIAN BASED NORTHERNERS MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS. I ATTENDED LAST YEAR'S DINNER AND IT WAS FIRST RATE.


Patron:
Professor Douglas Anglin

ZAMBIAN-CANADIAN ASSOCIATION
ZAMBIA INDEPENDENCE CELEBRATION

On SATURDAY October 19, 2002, join us for dinner, information and entertainment.

Experts will discuss Zambia’s prospects under the new government of President Levy Mwanawasa. Zambian cuisine will be served at dinner. There will also be performance by a Zambian artist. In addition there will be a multi prize Draw.

Join us from 5:50 p.m. in Rooms 228 and 230 at the Legislative Building, Queen’s Park, Toronto. (Please register at entrance)

Admission:

Members $30
Non Members $40

Please confirm your attendance by mailing the coupon below and your cheque (payable to the Zambian Canadian Association) to:

The Secretary
Zambian Canadian Association
Telephone: 1-866 492 6226
3246 Greenbough Crescent
Burlington
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Fax: 905 319 4684

(Tickets may not be purchased at the door)


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Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:30:21 (UTC)


Sorry, folks. That was an experiment and now I don't know whether I'm coming or going... To add insult to injury, my eyes are dilated from the eye specialist. Quite sickening to try to read my last post.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:24:30 (UTC)


At last, I can post a message. Goeff Paynter, just in case you have not already done so,would you consider sharing your recent experiences in Zambia with other Northerners. I particularly like the story about the hippo at the Ndola Boating Club.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:23:21 (UTC)


WOW! Elias! I am so impressed with your ability to scroll html. Can you send me a few pointers, please?

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 21:22:37 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added to Miscellaneous/ Law and Order a number of items to do with the Special Constabulary from Roy Williams whose father, Alex, was a 'Special' in Lusaka in the early sixties.

Notes for Special Constables
Letter of Apppointment
Lusaka Householder Info
Lusaka Patrol Notes
May '53 Kalomo Householder Notice

Also a Government letter regarding the Chilanga derailment.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 20:33:44 (UTC)


Dave Cooper(Another nomination for an honorary male)
Dave, as Jaqui Milward is an Honorary Male because of her knowledge about motor racing, gearboxes, Ferraris, Masserratis and motor bikes.
I have another nomination. TINA MAGEE. Apart from all the usual female duties like cooking, sewing, gardening, looking after kids etc, she has excellent credentials to join the male society.

Here are her credentials:- First of all she has managed to roll a Jeep(A proper Jeep, not a Japanese 4 wheel drive). Very few men can do that. Secondly, she sells Jeeps successfully. Imagine, convincing a man to buy a Jeep from a woman. She also knows how to modify a Jeeps suspension to stop it rolling, can fly a helicopter and has some knowledge about agricultural machinery.

What do you think? Is she suitable?
Elias
ps. thanks for the tip about practicing HTML first.

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 19:55:27 (UTC)


Hi everyone, I was in South Africa about six years ago and came upon a Deli that was selling Portugese Prawn Pies, I have looked in numerous recipe books and cannot locate a recipe for these. Is there anyone out there that can send me a recipe they are delicious.
Glen Drake, this message is for you, I was talking to Dawn Robbins(nee Charlton) Portland Oregon, yesterday, and she asked me to get you to either contact her, or for me to send her your email address. She lost touch with you last time because they said you were no longer with the firm.
Thanks
Lynne Hopkinson nee de Lange, formerly Harris

Lynne Hopkinson (née Harris, formerly de Lange)Click here to contact me
Kaleden, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 18:16:39 (UTC)


Haven't posted for a while and I put it down to GREEN envy at not attending the Bash and enjoying myself with all the folks, oh well, maybe next time.
What prompted me to write was the great story about the trek south during a railway strike. Alma Dawson, I was tickled to read your story and I wish more oldtimers would recount their stories. There must be hundreds of them that have been told at the bars around the world. The listeners probably would not believe half of them, but we would_every word. Thanks Alma, any more stories?

Bob SummersClick here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 16:06:40 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS
Kariba Into The Millenium'
At Banbury, I promised somebody the last copy I have of 'Kariba Into The Millenium' but can't remember who it was. If it was you, please email me.

Show Time
I have only received one bid for this, from Elias. If I don't receive any more bids by Monday, it's going to him. Last chance.

Barry Woodrow
Mozambique prawns? They are delicious. And the best restaurants in Maputo to eat them is either just a little way down from the Polano (going towards the high part of town) on the opposite side of the street, but I can't remember the name. Or you could go a little way (about 10 kms) north to Costa da Sol. Just don't go to the Zamby Restaurant in the low part of town - it is similar to the one that Gill Main described the other day - when we finally narrowed the menu down to lobster, lobster or lobster, they then went out to buy the lobster (I should add that this was the first time I have had such an experience - it's never happened to me here in Zambia)

And if you decide to take some with you, remember that you're only allowed to export 2 kgs and even then you might have a problem. I was stopped once at the airport security check with the officer gesticulating wildly and shouting 'camarao, camarao' and then had to argue it out with him, in my not very good Portuguese - he didn't want me to take any, not even the 2 kgs. But after lots of shouting and me threatening to phone the chief of Customs, who I knew (luckily), I got on the plane with my prawns.

Jill Aplin
The round trip to the waterfalls was just over 2,500 km and camping all the way until I got back to Kapisha Hot Springs. But they were worth every bit of discomfort and dirt and dust.

Johnny Green
Give me a few days and I'll let you have details of the last bit of the story - that computer is disconnected right now and I won't set it up until at least the middle of next week

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 15:44:45 (UTC)


Hi All

Just a short, sad note to advise that Noreen Paulsen (ex-Kitwe) (wife of the late George Paulsen, and mother of Johnny, Georgie, Dennis and Andy) passed away in the early hours of Tuesday morning, in Pinetown, RSA.

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 11:02:24 (UTC)


B A R R Y,

Thanks for posting us along your travels! I love doing that, and I try to do it as often as possible. Usually, I am NOT travelling by car (I hate cars), and so I often walk by an Internet café, and just pop in to say hello. (You miss things like this when you're in a "cage" --- what bikers call cars).

I posted to the GNR from Internet cafés from Knysna, Long Beach, USA, Amsterdam, Cape Town, London, and probably a number of other places around the world. But probably the most remote of all has been Heather posting from Kaloma. Yes, an Internet café in Kaloma. And it worked too.

Look forward to seeing you next year in Iceland, and to your report from old Lorenço Marques! Please make sure that you give us a full report on what has changed in new Maputo!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM


Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 08:50:43 (UTC)



Ron Clibborn-Dyer, Alison Butcher


Happy Birthday


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 05:34:34 (UTC)


For Chris Swatt

Please give our condolences to Michael for his whole family for the sad loss of his mother. We also pray that Ashley whom we remember as a young boy, recovers. Michael, Georgette and family are in our thoughts. From their very long but not lost friends, Louise Barton (nee.Jenkins)and Gladys (Dietrichsen).

Louise Jenkins (née Jenkins)Click here to contact me
Lincoln, England
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 21:05:11 (UTC)


Jill, and everyone else

I just had a great dinner in Richards Hotel, starting with Steak Tartar (please tell me that Mad Cow Disease hasn't got to RSA!), followed by R 115 worth of seafood, including the most fabulous crayfish and prawns; and then good old Crepes Suzette to follow ...

I´m putting on weight again!

Mapuot tomorrow ...




Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 20:24:28 (UTC)


Heather - Those falls could only have been designed in Heaven! Another place to see next year!

Barry Woodrow - don't forget to go to the fish market for prawns - and do have some for me! I hope I'll be getting some in La Lucia!

Chris - thinking of you.

Linda - why am I the jammy bugger? YOU went to Banbury!

I will be away till next Monday - and I will try and get some photos for you all.

Early start tomorrow - Umfolozi here I come!!!

Love you all,

Jilly

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 19:17:32 (UTC)


Thanks to GNR and its members!
Through them I have managed to trace both Linda and Carol Brackenborough.

Keith JohnstonClick here to contact me
Glen Marais Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 18:38:01 (UTC)


Elias

Ha! Ha! Very good, my friend! Are you sure you are not a clone of Robin Williams?? He! He!

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 18:04:01 (UTC)


BUGBEAR VIRUS
Hey this little beggar is sneaky., I got an email advertising African music, I being innocent (yes!! silly me !!) I opened it and it growled at me...a nasty little bugbear virus.....oh well I have learned.......oh and the Bear ???
it is hibernating for good, thanks to my bugg zapper.....
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 09:14:43 (UTC)


Pat

Give me a call - 235333

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 08:25:14 (UTC)


Heather,

Great photies of Eastcroft and company, and a great job on the falls.

I'll be arriving in Zambia tomorrow night to start the 80th birthday celebrations of Cora van Blerk (28th October) and my Dad, Hugh 78 (the toy boy) 8th November. their joint party will be on the 2nd November. It will be a humdinger.

Look forward to seeing you in a couple of days.

Pat

Pat McEneryClick here to contact me
Bromley, Kent, England
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 07:57:39 (UTC)


Arthur.....what a clever person, and that pic ...wow that took my breath away..what an enchanting place...almost see the fairies........
Thanks for posting that gorgeous pic, Heather, you are soooo lucky......hurry next September !!!
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 07:13:14 (UTC)


Northerners
You will remember that during August, I did a trip of some of the waterfalls in the Northern Province. The most beautiful of these can only be Kabweluma Falls.

However, even with a wide angle lens it is not possible to photograph them properly as one cannot get far enough away, until Arthur got his hands on a series of four photographs which I took and applied his talents to them.

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I am sure that you will agree, that if you were told to design a waterfall, you could not design something as perfect as this.

Arthur
Natotela saana, Zikomo kwambiri, Twalumba kapati, Nitumezi hahulu.

The only problem is that now all my other photographs look awful by comparison.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 06:00:21 (UTC)


Johnny Green/Kanono Hotel
Johnny, you mentioned a "gentleman", so I presume its me you are talking about. Check back on last months archives to 29th September, I think. It was about Andrew Green who worked for Ellis & Co, Ndola. It was his parents that ran the hotel for a while. Heather is buying a complete set of NR Journals from him or his pal Paul

Johnny, you were right about that Banbury ride. It was Saturday night that we went not Friday night.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 22:24:50 (UTC)


behavior=scroll>Jacqui Milward!!I am on my way now before Cooper gets there.

Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 22:04:34 (UTC)


Ann(Rusty)Jacobs,Piet Labuschagne,Piet Brits,Ponky Olivier,Cas Labuschagne,Joe Altmansburger,Theresa Taczalo,Andy Kritzinger - all friends from 1947 to 1950 in Umtali and Salisbury.Where are you all now? Len Rolfe in England would be glad to know.

Len RolfeClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 21:16:48 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added Volume I - No. 6 - Dec 1952 of Northern Rhodesia Journal to NRJ Section

Contents:

Lake Bangweulu: Its Fish and its Fishing
Bibliography of Northern Rhodesia
English Village Memorials to Northern Rhodesia Pioneers
Some Notes on Northern Rhodesian Birds - part II
A Further Note on European Place Names (inc Feira Dawie)
The First European Settlement on the Kafue and the First Copper Mine
Transport inthe Early Days at Fort Jameson
Notes (Big Fish, First Staff List, Gervas Clay's Scrapbook, An Apology, The First Zambezi Regatta,New Contributors, Maps, WG Fairweather)
Correspondence (Forgotten Graves, Who Was Bwana Barush?, Chirupula Replies, The Kasama Cannon, Makishi, Anzac Mills, Native Name of the Falls, Boxing History (TOMMY MILLER), Origin and Spelling of the Name Zambezi, Kambole Mission, Gold and Silver Ornaments)
Memories of Abandoned Bomas - Old Petauke
Picture of Kalambo Falls
Book Reviews
Index to Volume I

Regards Ian


Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, Scotland
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 20:46:52 (UTC)


Back in Africa again - in Richards Bay until Wednesday, then to Maputo until Saturday. I've just had a wonderful five-course dinner with an excellent Western Cape Shiraz wine for less than US$ 30 ...

I'll report later on the quality of the Mozambique prawns ..

In Richards Bay, KwaZuluNatal, RSA ...



Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 20:05:47 (UTC)


Heather, thanks for posting the photo of Willy Franklin. I would never have recognised him, but then it is many years since I last saw him and I was also very young!

Dawie, happy to hear your move is going well. This 'second' home sounds quite fascinating! Give me a call sometime when you are in London and we can meet for coffee?

Elias, the offer to buy you coffee in London still stands. Call me when you are in the city again.

I had coffee with Alan Pringle several weeks ago. Hadn't seen him for about 35 years, and he was the one who put me in touch with a childhood friend who now lives in Australia! Wonderful to see you again Alan and you are still looking good after all these years..


Charlie Cartmill

I will be in Cape Town between the 20th December and 5th January........will it be possible to organise a little get together with some of the BrokenHillbillies at the Baron's pub in Observatory? Just asking?????

Hugs to all on the GNR

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 18:55:06 (UTC)



Elias I did not realize that you were puckeyed before we set off to the Bash the lady I deposited on the front seat with you was Linda I was in the back with those too moxies Diane and Tina singing keep you eyes on the road, and hands on the wheel, weer'e in the back seat, kissing and a cuddling with John.
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My problem is I dont know what stories I have allready told you,( my memory ) if Heather has the know how to retrieve for me the stories I have told allready Then I can resume telling a few more but I do not want to be repeating them there is nothing more boring for the readers,
Heather it need not be the whole story just a few lines to give me a clue what I have allready told you, regards to all Johnny.
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I think I read some where on here the mention of the KANONA hotel where I used to call in and have a drink with my Buddy Glen Tweedie on the way up to ABERCORN, the man who owned it was a giant of a man who used to sit in a chair outside in the garden overlooking a beautiful view of the Shateen, in what was to look at like a throne, I never ever saw him in any other position but sitting and have a feeling he could not stand up unaided or walk, but he must have been there many years, one trip as we went up we called in and had our castle with him but when we returned on the way back down about a week later his servants told us he had died, can the gentleman who mentioned the hotel refresh my old memory with his name? Thanks Johnny.












JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 18:37:41 (UTC)


Viv died in the UK. I have not got the details but from what I gather she had been shopping and went to sleep and just never woke up.
Ashley battles on. His temperature went up yesterday and they have managed to get it back down.It will be a long wait and we have been told not to raise false hopes with the internal damage.
It is his 6 year old daughter's birthday today

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 14:49:43 (UTC)


Lusakans
On Saturday night I attended a 50th birthday party for:

Dave Eastcroft

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and Henry van Blerk

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Unfortunately the photos are not very good (I had the setting on my camera too low and the flash too high and I'm not as smart as my friend Arthur when it comes to touching them up), but here are some of them:

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And here are some special requests:

For Ken Swan
Barry and Linelle Myers

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For Ron-Clibborn-Dyer
Jill Hewitt (nee Kirby)

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For Jacqui Milward
Willy Franklin

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For Pat McEnery
Your dad

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For Adrian Mooi
Alan Watson

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Happy Birthday


to those who had birthdays over the weekend:

Spiro Petrou, Chris Tamm, George Allard, Geoff Stepney






Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 12:21:34 (UTC)


Having trouble changing your password?

I have heard that the reason we are losing posters is that they have experienced difficulties with the password. Either remembering the old, long one, trying to change it or editing their info on the names directory. If you change your password, the rest of the info you previously entered has to be in the correct format, or it won't work when you submit the password change. Some punctuation you had before is no longer accepted, like brackets ( ) for instance. If you are having difficulties, I would recommend emailing Craig with exactly what you are trying to input, with punctuation, etc., and I bet he can sort it out for you. I had difficulties with it but was too proud to contact him at first (stupid me...)but as soon as I did, the problem was resolved immediately. Please don't let this be a reason why you are not posting.

Chris Swart
Thanks for the chat on the weekend. Wish it had been under different circumstances. Our prayers go out to the family. Is there any improvement with Ashley?

Jimmy Churchill
Lovely surprise to hear from you. Now post!!

David Howell
Good to hear from you too. No wonder you have been so quiet now that you are married again... Good on you, mate!!

Jill
Have a great holiday, you jammy bugger. Take lots of piccies for us, please. And round up those South Africans for the Livingstone reunion. Your tent is really going to be crowded.. he! he!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 11:58:18 (UTC)


Chris Swart

I just don't believe it - what more can happen - have you any details about Vivienne - if you want to e-mail me separately just put the message thru the GNR and I'll respond.
Do you know how Ashley is progressing? Please let us know.

Regards
Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, October 07, 2002 at 10:26:53 (UTC)


Gordon
Thanks for posting those piccies of John and gang. Boy that brought back some memories! I remember all of those guys. John and I and went on a trip one time to find Skeif's boat. It was badly in need of repair and had been hoisted up in a tree, much like the boat in your photos. We had one of John's Zambians with us, and I remember having to cross a particular part of the river by climbing up in a tree and scooting across the tree branch with legs dangling towards the river. I was terrified, but not about to show John I was. He! He! I remember smelling what I mentioned was "cat pee" and both John and the Zambian hurried me on. It was not until later that John told me it was a lion that I could smell. Whatever happened to that old Land Cruiser he had?

Mmmmm. I can almost smell the meat and baked beans being cooked in the old pough disc. That and the ceremonial "bath" that the ladies got to have. Kettle after kettle of steaming hot water, poured into the tin bath, inside the "bathing tent". It doesn't get any better than that.

Ken Miller
I had a good chuckle at your "mail call" posting. It reminded me of one letter I sent to a certain young man who was studying at technical college in Ndola, while I was still in Kitwe. We were sweethearts from a very young age and it broke my heart when he went off to Ndola. I wrote nearly every day. On the envelope I wrote in huge big letters, "Postman, Postman, don't be slow. Be like Elvis, go man go!" Two weeks later, the letter was returned, with a cryptic, "This letter is not going anywhere 'til you put a stamp on it. Love, Elvis.." He! He!

Elias
I know that you were overwhelmed by all the female attention you received at the Bash, but I just wanted to let you know that it was not I in your car on Friday evening. I went in a taxi because I had been warned that Johnny could not keep his hands to himself in the back of cars. Oh.. wait.. maybe it was me. I seem to have a recollection of you trying to steer with one hand on the wheel and the other on my knee. Bad boy!

Arthur
Thanks for continuing to post the photos and stories from the Rhokana Reviews. I see names that pop out from the past. One of the piccies posted showed a Philip Stanley. I went to school with him in Std 5 at Kitwe Primary. If I remember correctly my mate, Jackie Gibbs, liked him.

Lurkers, silent readers, shy ones
Please post so we can get to know you. Age does not matter at all here. The people of each generation have unique stories to tell and we want to hear them all. If nobody new posts, then we run out of stories to listen to. Lord knows I've told my fair share!


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 23:29:04 (UTC)


Arthur.....
I Loved the picture of that croc...now that is what I call big.....I am very tempted to draw it....
Thanks very much....

NORTHERNERS !!!
hey you people out there who are too scared to post....I remember the first time I posted,(a year at the end of the month) I thought eeeeek, and I am quite the shy person, so if I can feel ok about posting.....so can you,.and I for one love to read everyones messages, and the more stories the merrier, and the different topics we will have......I would love to know more about my birthplace and since I was a little girl when I left there, I have to depend on the memories of others, that is what this website is all about..
there must be other great story tellers......SO COME ON POST........!!!!!!.

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 17:53:16 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS!

Sorry about the duplication hereunder... however, I am in an Internet café in London, and there was some glitch in sending out the messages.

I took the train down from Derby today as you can't rent cars in England on Sundays! (At least NOT in provincial towns like Derby). Go figure. So I decided that rather than sit in my hotel room gawking at TV, I would take the train down to civilisation: LONDON!

Actually, I wanted some REAL Cantonese food, so that means, Chinatown in London. I wanted to take Yum Cha, and to have dim sum like that, I don't think I would have found it in Derbyshire!

I wandered about London a bit and found this easyInternetCafé, just like we have in Amsterdam.

By the way, there's a good chance I move into my new home in Derbyshire this Friday. A stone cottage in the village of Duffield, built in 1790.

It will be a nice juxtaposition: the cleansing English countrylife of Duffield, and the debauchery of swinging Amsterdam! I'll need my Amsterdam fix at least once a month, I reckon!

Thanks to Adrian Mooi and Fiona and Liz for their help.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DvdB

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 17:45:28 (UTC)


Thanks for the photograph from the Rhokana Review though I had a hard time figuring out whose left to right. No matter what is printed I believe I am the person in the back sitting next to Hamilton, the person in front of me is I think Dennis Eloff. Thanks for the memories. Steve

Steven and Margaret de Lange (née (wife) Margaret Charles)Click here to contact me
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 17:25:38 (UTC)


Northerners!

This is a test...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM
London

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 17:18:44 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS in CANADA!

I am posting the following for Chisanga Puta-Chekwe...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am writing to thank all those members of the ZamCan community who have
confirmed their attendance at this year's Zambia Independence celebration at
Queen's Park.

I would also like to encourage the rest of you to please confirm your
attendance as soon as posssible. It will not be possible to buy tickets at
the door, so please confirm your attendance so that I can advise Queen's
Park security. The address to which your cheque and confirmation is: 3246
Greenbough Crescent, Burlington, Ontario L7M 3A6. The cheque should be made
payabel to the Zambian Canadian Association.

The President of First Quantum Minerals Ltd, the multinational mining
corporation, has indicaed that he is trying to return to Canada in time to
attend the Zambian Independence dinner. If he does not attend, First
Quantum will, at a future date invite members of our community to a luncheon
in Toronto hosted by his company.

The Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) also has plans to send
a senior representative to talk about Zambia and NEPAD.

I will know by Wednesday morning what First Quantum and CIDA have decided to
do.

Shortly after that I hope to be able to confirm that the Zam Cab band will
play at our function. Some of you will know that the leader of this band
spend some of his early years in Zambia.

With warm regards,

Chisanga Puta-Chekwe.

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 17:17:49 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S in C A N A D A!!

I am posting the following for Chisanga Puta-Chekwe...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am writing to thank all those members of the ZamCan community who have
confirmed their attendance at this year's Zambia Independence celebration at
Queen's Park.

I would also like to encourage the rest of you to please confirm your
attendance as soon as posssible. It will not be possible to buy tickets at
the door, so please confirm your attendance so that I can advise Queen's
Park security. The address to which your cheque and confirmation is: 3246
Greenbough Crescent, Burlington, Ontario L7M 3A6. The cheque should be made
payabel to the Zambian Canadian Association.

The President of First Quantum Minerals Ltd, the multinational mining
corporation, has indicaed that he is trying to return to Canada in time to
attend the Zambian Independence dinner. If he does not attend, First
Quantum will, at a future date invite members of our community to a luncheon
in Toronto hosted by his company.

The Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) also has plans to send
a senior representative to talk about Zambia and NEPAD.

I will know by Wednesday morning what First Quantum and CIDA have decided to
do.

Shortly after that I hope to be able to confirm that the Zam Cab band will
play at our function. Some of you will know that the leader of this band
spend some of his early years in Zambia.

With warm regards,

Chisanga Puta-Chekwe.

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 17:16:49 (UTC)


Good Thinking by Des Kenny,John Green,Tina & Linda.

This jumping HTML reminded me of the eve of the Banbury Party. John Green, Tina Magee, Linda Hayes and myself were all set go in my car but found ourselves boxed in by a Volvo.
After reversing and going forward a few inches about 14 times, we werent getting very far until Des Kenny passed by on his way to his taxi. Then in true pioneering spirit Des using his rugby strength, Johnny his boilermaker power and a few of the muscular women picked up the back of my car moved it round 45 degrees. We reversed out and were off.
I did wonder about Johnny green as we set off, I thought he was being gentlemanly by letting the thinnest of the three women sit in the front seat with me while he squeezed himself between Tina and Linda. Although, as I was looking over my shoulder as I reversed out, he gave me a lurid wink.
Thanks anyway Des.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 15:03:48 (UTC)


Northerners !

A few days ago I received an e-mail from Alma Dawson and her husband Vic, they wrote because they were a little hesitant joining in being in their 80's and asked if we had any members of this age group. I had seen the GNR Survey when the results were coming in and assured them that they are certainly not on their own (some members even claimed to be in their 100's) but discounting Johnny Green and Elais there are plenty of members here in their 80's and 90's.

The result of this exchange of e-mail has resulted in Alma sending us a couple of brilliant shots taken outside the Rhokana Cinema and a cracking good tale to go with it.

Alma and Vic - people of the older generations are always welcome here - we value your contributions as your generation have so much to tell. Thank you very much and welcome aboard.

I also got an e-mail from Sue Steyn with a brilliant school photo which I've posted below, I'm sure there are loads of you out there reading this message board too shy to join in - try dipping your toe into the water - we don't all bite.

Thanks Sue - I hope to see your name in the directory any day now.

George Maxwell

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George - here's a shot I found with Kevin Lentin and Ian McCallum as inmates of a Nursery School, hey - the teach looked a stunner!


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A few other shots caught my eye as they included several people I see in the names directory (but never post) so let's see if this brings them out the woodwork.


Vivienne

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Look what I found !


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Anyone remember being told never to go down on the banks of the Kafue when we were kids ? Did we ever take any notice ?


Arthur




Dear Arthur,

I have been following this website for a couple of years and still havent put my name on the list. This is mainly because we moved around a lot and I'm not too sure of my dates etc. But I'm working on it !!

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This photo is of the Kitwe Convent ( I think ) in about 1963..my brother, Mark Craig is second from the left...standing boys.

I have no idea who anyone else is and I do hope that I have scanned it properly. I have a few more photos from those days,of the flats we lived in etc which I will scan if this comes out right.

I love the website even though I never participate.

Sue Steyn

Pretoria




THE LETTER

The letter arrived by hand..

As Vic straightened up from locking the second cabin-trunk he noted the Uniformed African messenger cycling down the garden path.
"I wonder what he wants, Sunday is an odd day for a Messenger to be sent here?" and went to speak to the caller. "Urgent message Bwana" the man said handing over The Letter using both hands as was the traditional mark of respect to a senior man. "Who sent it?" asked Vic, at the same time slitting the envelope. "Railways Office Manager. Sir, will I wait for an answer?"

He unfolded the letter and read the message

"Regret to inform you that owing to a strike by Railway workers in Bulwayo, Southern Rhodesia, The train due to leave Kitwe tonight will not be available. The other four intending passengers will be informed."

"No reply" said Vic heavily, "thank you" and wondered how his wife was going to react to this shattering news.

"What have you got there?" Alma asked when he returned to the verandah where she was counting off items required on the long train journey.

"A letter, just arrived from the Station master, you'd better read it." Vic stood cogitating for a few seconds then
"I don't believe it, I can't believe it" she cried angrily "Well it's official" he said.
"What on earth can we do now" his wife said, close to tears, of all the times to go on strike."
"At the moment I cannot think of anything constructive to either say or do, but I suggest that you carry on with the remainder of the packing and see to lunch for you and the children."

"But what are you going to DO?" she asked again, getting agitated and looking around aimlessly. "Right this second I simply don't know, but first. I'll go and see the other four passengers, it's just as well I know who they are and where they live, maybe they'll have some ideas and I'll see what they think of the situation."

As Vic arrived at Mac's house he was greeted with surprise

"What are you doing here at this time, we thought you'd be very busy packing - with two small children you must have much more then us pack and heaven knows we have more than enough. Come on in."
Les and his wife were also there, obviously all ready to go.
"Well it's obvious you haven't heard as yet," John said briskly
"Heard what;" they chorused.
"That; there is no train tonight - it's been cancelled."
What do you mean, there's no train?
"Exactly that - there's apparently a railways strike down in Bulawayo and consequently our train hasn't arrived in., so we cannot travel south tonight."
"They can't do that" said Betty.
"They can and they have" John said somewhat grimly.

Once the four of them realised he was deadly serious they started to react.
The ladies sat down and started to cry, the men stood glumly silent, hands stuffed in pockets whilst they digested this completely unexpected news.
Let's have a drink and think about it" said Mac.
Vic accepted the proferred drink, then as the other men, his seniors by quite a few years, remained morose and silent and the women continued sobbing quietly and said uncomplimentary things about "lousy railway unionists fouling up their long-awaited holiday, he said
"Well, what do you suggest we do?"
"Do, DO, what can we do?" asked Mac, "There's nothing we CAN do if there is no train. We only have just over four days to get to Capetown - we all know the ship sails for Southampton on Friday at 4 p.m. and not a MINUTE LATER"
The women continued to cry and look on helplessly. "Fancy saving and working for three solid years only to have the sole means of transport taken away by a few men going on strike. It's not as if we could use private transport, we've all sold our cars and anyway we have far too much luggage to try and hire one."
Well, I'm going to have ago at something" Vic said. "I'm not going to sit around doing nothing."
What can you do?" they all asked at once.
"I don't know yet; but I'm going to go and see the Company Manager."
"He won't be at the office - remember it's Sunday" Les remarked.
"Then I'll go to the 'White House' he can't eat me. I'd never forgive myself if I didn't try. My wife has worked hard to plan and pack for the four of us - quite a big undertaking with the children being so young. It's up to me to try and salvage the situation"
"Good for you Vic, we'll go along with any plan you make."

So leaving the others idle and morose Vic approached the Company Mine Manager ( O.B. Bennett) who WAS in his office, busy organising 'emergency operations' for the duration of the rail strike - the railway being the lifeline of the whole mining operation.

On learning the plight of the intending travellers and understanding the situation very well, he sympathised, consulted his already much annotated emergency transport schedules and said
"I can lend you a truck of sorts, but it has no canopy and therefore you will be completely exposed and very uncomfortable. I could also arrange a driver for the vehicle, but you must get a permit from the Police at the Boma to allow him to cross into Southern Rhodesia. But if the strike should spread, once you get to the South African border you will have to make
private arrangements as this truck will not be allowed any further."
"My grateful thanks" Vic said "your assistance is much appreciated. I realise that you need all the transport you have available for company work, the discomfort will pass, but this is our only chance of saving our holiday."

Next he went to see the Police chief who was also in his office amending duty rosters just in case of any repercussions from this totally unexpected strike situation. On hearing of the dilemma confronting the would be travellers he said "A permit is required for your truck and driver". He produced a letterhead and proceeded to thread it into the office typewriter and somewhat laboriously type out a carefully worded PERMIT for the driver and vehicle to cross the border post from Northern into Southern Rhodesia and back again, saying 'Bear with me old chap I'm not very good at this job."

Finally with the Permit typed and signed, and then a 7 p.m. rendevous with the truck driver organised, Vic returned to see the other intending passengers and announced "I've been loaned an open truck to travel the first leg of the journey into Southern Rhodesia - a 7 p.m. start. If you wish to take a chance and rough it, you'll have to sit on the open tray throughout the journey."

They all stood and cheered - clapping him on the back and shaking, his hand.
Then leaving them suddenly busy and smiling again, he rushed home to break the news to his anxious wife.
"Finish the packing - we wear the oldest and warmest clothes we have for the all-night journey then we can shed a layer as needs be later on - but we WILL board that ship on Friday.'

That evening at nightfall Vic and his family and all of their assorted paraphenalia and luggage, met up with the vehicle and driver outside the Rhokana cinema. The other four adults, with their baggage, blankets and vacuum flasks, endeavoured to make themselves as comfortable as possible on the tray of the truck. Six large drums of diesel oil were lashed to the rear of the cab - essential fuel for the long drive to come.


1954 Nkana (taken outside Rhokana Cinema)

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1st 'photo.
L - R: Harry Lonsdale(Personnel Manager) Rhokana Corp.
Vic, Marie and Alma Dawson, see African driving crouching attending to Oil drums/baggage - ladies of Hockey team(Livingstone area)?


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2nds 'photo:
L - R: Alma,Marie & Vic Dawson, Harry Lonsdale, Isobel & Les Pegge
Mr & Mrs ? Dunne (she usued to work in Kitwe Stores)
infant son Michael asleep in Carry-cot on tray of truck..



The two-year old daughter Marie, and Alma, were installed in the cab alongside the driver and the baby , Michael, ten months old, well fed and well wrapped up in his carry-cot, was the most comfortable and most oblivious passenger. . Dad and the others to keep a protective hand at the ready.

"Is everybody settled?" called Vic who was obviously the leader of this 'safari'. Just then, a blaring of horns and flashing of headlights delayed the departure as a cavalcade of cars disgorged a team of lady hockey-players
"Wait, wait a moment" called a voice, "can you take these ladies with you as far as Livingstone, they are also stranded by the strike and want to get home?"
"Certainly providing they realise it is going to be very cold, uncomfortable and dirty - tell them all to climb aboard now, we're ready to go"

Then amid tears and cheers from the considerable group of friends and well-wishers, the travellers set off, making the best of a very third rate conveyance.

The journey was indeed cold and miserable but they were thankful that at least it was the 'dry season' with no possibility rain. The bumpy nature of riding on the tray of the truck on a dirt road was further compounded by the two eighteen-inch wide strips of tarseal which straddled the centre of the 'highway ' - these 'strips' were provided to accommodate the wheels of vehicles in the absence of full width tarsealing. Many broken-edges and a requirement to relinquish the tarseal to allow other vehicles to pass (in either direction) added further to the discomfort. In addition to the jolting, there was the all-pervasive smell of diesel oil from the storage drums which troubled some of the passengers.

At intervals during the latter part of the long night, oncoming vehicles signalled the driver with their headlights to stop, and the travellers became accustomed to various members of the hockey team being 'rescued' by friends and relatives.
The glorious sunrise and the clamour of the dawn chorus, almost - ALMOST made up for the wretched night.

Many hours later, in brilliant hot sunshine, the weary passengers arrived in the town of Livingstone on the Northern/Southern Rhodesian border - tired, dirty and miserable, looking forward to a short break, stretching their cramped legs and having something to eat before continuing on a few hundred miles more.
Suddenly a car pulled alongside the group and a Railways official alighted, greeted them all cheerfully and said "The strike is over and a train will leave for the south in three hours time. You have time for a break and a meal - we will wait for you.'

More cheers (and tears of relief from the women) at this more than welcome news. Grateful thanks were expressed by the group that at least one member of the party had not panicked in time of stress. Vic then made a suggestion that they all go to the nearest hotel and rent rooms for the three-hour period in order to have a bath, meal and a rest. This suggestion was acted upon with alacrity.

The southern train with sleeping compartments was waiting at the station and the refreshed and revitalised group climbed aboard for a much more comfortable ride to Capetown.

Eventually without any further problems the port was reached and the ship boarded in time and everyone could settle into their cabins relax and begin the first stage of their holiday.

The final irony was yet to come however.

As they shared a table with fellow passengers, strangers, who quickly became congenial companions, Alma and Vic were able to relate the tale of the traumatic start to their long-awaited holiday. Then on the third evening at sea they were invited by one of their dining companions to join him in the lounge for a drink.

Here they were introduced to another passenger. "I'd like you to meet Bill Smith my cabin mate, he is the railway worker who organised the rail strike in Southern Rhodesia and is being deported back to England for his sins - he would like to tell you his side of the story.!"


Alma Dawson

1954: Some names have been changed. (Written years ago for a 'writing class' exercise).




Jet boating on the Kafue.

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Names are John Dorrington, Earl Carstens, Russel Banning and Pete Farrow in John's Perosity II on the plane. Theo Grobler, Skeif, Dave Littleford and Dorrington preparing boats and the last is fixing holes in the fiberglass on the fly. This was from Chief Machya south of Luanshya to the lubungu feery in the KNP.

Gordon Garlick




Hi Northerners

As this is my first posting after the Banbury Bash firstly I must say how I enjoyed performing live for everyone after a break of 25 years it was fantastic. All the Musicians I met were brilliant entertainers and the hard work put in by everyone to make the bash the success it was is much appreciated.

My Wife Julia and I met so many friends whom we had not seen for years, also many new good friends whom we met for the first time.

On the postings I noticed the request that have any of the Musicians got recordings / Discs of their performances the one Disc I have can be seen on these Images posted I made it (40)forty years ago in Lusaka.

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My band The Aces at this time which consisted of Me on Lead Guitar and Vocals, Geoff Mossop on bass guitar, Gordon Herder on Rythm guitar, Mickey Stagg on drums and my niece Brenda Petzer(now Brenda Meyer) on Vocals.

The Aces were playing at Central Sports Club in Lusaka and we noticed three different men with Ladies that we hadn't seen before. During our performance they came and spoke with me introducing themselves as recording engineers and told me that they were in Northern Rhodesia to record African Music for Columbia. They then said that the thought we were pretty good and would like to make a record of us I asked when they replied tomorrow.

The next day which I recall was the Saturday morning and we all rocked up with our gear at the Lusaka Broadcasting station where all their recording equipment was to cut a disc. At first we played for audition our normal session music ie Shadows, Cliff, Elvis etc but the engineers said they wanted something different and quickly as the had to move on to their next project. So I decided to change St Louis Blues to Louis Twist and Don't be Cruel to Don't be Cruel Twist both the numbers we just changed to our arrangement as instrumentals and not vocal's in our own style this the engineers liked and we cut both discs in about 35 minutes and that was that.

As this was our first real record I am very proud of it and as it is copyrighted by Columbia the other artists names appear on the disc who made it before us (some interesting names). This disc may be still able to be bought but it might be difficult as it was a long time ago.

Cheers



Brian Geyser





Thanks again to all of you who contribute to the Great North Road.

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 14:48:24 (UTC)



Good Morning Campers, I thought this was amusing and hope it brings a smile to your faces this morning.Johnny.

Another Woman.

"Mary," asked Dawn thoughtfully one day, "what would you
do if you caught your husband with another woman?"

"Another woman with MY husband?" Mary thought it over.

"Let's see; I'd break her cane, shoot her guide dog, and
call a cab to take her back to the institution she escaped
from."


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, October 06, 2002 at 06:44:49 (UTC)



Elias that pocessed that Alix mentioned is it very painful
I have never had any of that, if it is nice let me know so I can try some. Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 22:35:41 (UTC)


Ken - but if you got a letter with CHIP on it then you knew you were in deep deep doo doo .

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
London and Univ Maryland USA, England
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 20:51:41 (UTC)


SCHOOL DAZE ...... MAIL CALL


In the early 1960's as a boarder at St Stephen'College in Balla Balla, Rhodesia, the magic of the internet providing instantanious communications with friends be they in Australia or Zambia was in the realm of science fiction. Long distance telephone use was an expensive luxury and most people communicated by mail.

Every weekday after lunch, we would all retire to our dormitories for a rest. During this time we were allowed to read or sleep.We were not allowed to talk. The enforced silence would be broken by the singing of cicades as their monotenous high pitched voices cut through the hot calm African air.

The only other noise to shatter the silence, was the barking of a prefect calling out names of those lucky to receive mail MARTIN .... THAL ..... FORBES .... MILLER.... Springing from our beds we would rush to retrieve our mail.
All to often a lewed comment would be made before the prefect released any envelope that had been liberally sprinkled with some erotic and exotic scent or the imprint of bright red lipstick lips, placed for all to see.

Many letters would have acronyms written on the envelope displaying a young girl's fancy for the recipient, who would often be held up to teasing and ridicule.ITALY, I trust and love you, SWALK, sealed with a loving kiss and BURMA, be undressed and ready my angel would create a hormonial rush for any red blooded young man.

Mail from home while welcome, tended to remind one that it was imperative to keep up ones grades, change your underwear daily and to remember your manners.Mum was the letter writer in the family, however when Dad wrote invariably a welcome crisp ten shilling note would be hidden amongst the pages.

There are now times when I open the bright sterile spaces of my computer looking for daily e-mails interspersed with spam that I nostalgicaly yearn to hear the bark of a prefect shouting MILLER .....







Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 20:18:51 (UTC)


ALIX
Yes Alix I am possessed. I need a second wife that is obedient, humble, respectful and QUIET.
Since I am a Zambian I feel I am entitled to another wife. Unfortunately whenever I bring the subject up I am threatened with Bigamy and Adultery.
This is most unfair and I think Western countries should recognise progresive African customs.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 19:50:06 (UTC)


E.G.
is that allowed ....moving headlines.....pretty clever, but it really looks like a long ant trail....
bull ants !!! or Matebele ants ??? (giggles)
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 19:40:11 (UTC)


ELIAS !!!!
Have you been pocessed or something, I know it is a bit late at night for me but moving headlines ???
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 19:32:38 (UTC)


Being Wife Number 2 in Zambia is Risky

A 29-year-old businessman of Choma yesterday narrated how his second wife of only five days was scalded with boiling water by his first wife, reports ZIS.

Moses Mulamba told Zambia Information Services in Choma that he was fast asleep with his 20-year-old second wife when his first wife broke into the bedroom and poured boiling water on them.

His 32-year-old first wife woke up after mid night to boil water after he left the matrimonial bedroom to sleep with the new wife.

He was woken up from a his sleep by screams from his second wife, a grade eleven pupil of Choma Secondary School, when a pot full of boiling water was emptied on her genital area, buttocks and thighs.

Mr Mulamba also suffered minor burns on the thigh and genitals.

His new wife is admitted to Choma General Hospital.

Police have launched a manhunt for his first wife.
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She sounds more like a Scottish wife.
Elias


Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 18:37:42 (UTC)


Dear Peeps
Thought I would share this with you - friends of mine invited me out for lunch today in sunny Aberdeen - decided they would take me to the African restaurant (did not know it existed).

We arrived at 1230 hrs to be met by a locked door so we knocked and a head appeared (attached to a body of course). When asked what time the restaurant opened we were told 1200 hrs and on mentioning that it was now past 1200 were informed that there was a problem and it would be opening late. Off we headed to the nearest pub and spent a pleasant hour chatting and then returned, by this time, the three of us feeling quite hungry. We were welcomed in and, as we examined the display of African money (Kwachas being the most prominent I might add) were told that we could have a drink but we wouldn't be able to have any food as the chef was off sick and he had the only key to the kitchen.

My friends were very disappointed and couldn't understand it when I almost collapsed on the floor weeping with laughter, in an instant I had been transported back to a different time and place and loved every moment of it!

They have vowed to take me back there but now my biggest concern is the menu (shades of the Jumboo in Muf come flooding back, the ever diligent waiters poised patiently as you decide what you would like to eat and then being told politely "we have run out", second and third choices being met with almost the same reply until the question had to be asked "well, what do you have" and it was then narrowed down to a choice of two dishes. It was almost like a ritual, people never asked straight off what was available and you know something, I MISS that so much).

Cheers for now and 'Bon Appetit'.
Gill


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, October 05, 2002 at 16:23:17 (UTC)


Linda H,

Compared to Otto - Crispy was a puppy dog.

Jill

PS If Mike is good with cars and tyres (the correct spelling - we are English, after all!) he is welcome to come along! If he can pitch tents with hyeanas running around nipping at his heels - he's hired!

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 22:03:42 (UTC)



Arthur:
A nice selection of photos from the Rhokana Reviews, thank you. Seeing the mothers and babies in the hospital reminded me of dear old Dr.Mayne who delivered all our babies in the 50's and also Sister Garford in charge of the Maternity ward. Dr Mayne lived on 11th Avenue a few doors from Mr Rex Lange M.P. in your neighborhood Guy, who I would also like to thank for sharing the copies of the R.R's. Good to see your picture at the Banbury Bash Maz, I will be sending you some photos on my return to Calfornia.
I also e-mailed a contact in Japan, to view the photos as his Dad is one of the apprentices...

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy)Click here to contact me
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 17:14:47 (UTC)


Further tragedy. Vivienne Whittemore mother of Ashley died yesterday.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 15:38:37 (UTC)


Hi Viv,

I must say that was some hairstyle you had back in the "good old days" - gorgeous!

Tell me does Dorothy still have Harry Eldridge's Rhokana
Reviews. If I remember correctly he had every single one that was ever issued.

Well only two months to go until the big event - I bet Laurie is driving you nuts.

Love

Maz





Marianne Martin (née Griffiths)Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 14:00:57 (UTC)


Chris Swart

So very sorry to hear the news about Ashley, Lotta and the kids and of course Ashley's serious injuries. Please let them know that our thoughts and prayers are with them.

Regards
Kris




Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 13:14:05 (UTC)


Northerners

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John WhithamClick here to contact me
Windsor, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 12:58:28 (UTC)


Dear Johnny
Be afred. Be very afred. If Jill is likening her Otto to a doberman, I would definitely take out risk insurance before you go into any tent with her. She had a doberman named "Crispy" when she and I were best mates. The name had to do with how he liked his humans. I used to sweat with fear every time I went to her house and that dog was just waiting for the chance to get his teeth into me. Her husband, so far, has not felt the same way about me..I think. He! He! Luv ya, Otto and Jilly.

Perhaps we could get Mike and Otto off changing tyres (tires?) somewhere and we could show you the finer arts of tent pitching. Ooops

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 12:55:26 (UTC)


Johnny,

My husband is an ex-rugby player. His real name is Owen, but we call him Otto because he is a bit of a doberman at heart. He is extremely jealous and very violent. But he is good at mechanics and changing tyres, so I am bringing him along. But, no worries - he hates camping - so he'll be in the hotel!

I'll try the 10 mile run - that is definitly where I must be going wrong.

Jilly

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 12:31:21 (UTC)



Dear Jill I forgot the last line that said that for your diet to succeed you must run at least 10 miles per day sorry about that,but by all means keep on the Klipdrift it will make you more amenable to my suggestions when we meet up in Livingstone.
The reason that Linda is interested in the tent situation is that she will no doubt be asking you if you have one of the small ones to spare as I will be sleeping in a tent and she is working on the assumtion it will be easier for her to sneak into a tent at night than an hotel bedroom.
Love Johnny.
PS How big is your husband and is he a violent man? your answer could have a lot of bearing on our relationship at Livingstone unless you are coming up there as a single lady.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 09:50:54 (UTC)


Heather....
Thanks for the warning.....

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 09:08:56 (UTC)


Good Morning to you all on this fine Autum day in Holland.
Now ladies, the lad that you are all asking about is a lad
called Sparky Wallace. When we were children he lived about three houses away from me in MUFULIRA.
At the bash I was standing talking to a group of Mufulira guys, and there was this rather cheeky faced chap staring at me. I in a rather annoyed way turned round and said, and who would you be and low and behold it was SPARKY.
His is on the photo's that were posted, I shall check later on which one and I post which row it is.
Bye for now Love Wilma

Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 08:37:36 (UTC)


George Maxwell

As you say there were more kids than bottles, but as I was extremely shy in those days, the only person I may have shared a coke with (I hated Fanta) would have been my sister Heather or just maybe Alastair. Alastair married my best friend Lindsay Watkins and I am in regular contact with them as with Aunt Kitty and Uncle Bill. Only when I saw that great photo did I put a name to a face and remember you and your brother – great days weren’t they?

Guy Hobbs

Many thanks for your kindness in letting Arthur scan the reviews for now we will all have the chance of possessing a collection of our own one day.

Arthur

What can I say – you take my breath away, another photograph I didn’t know existed and what a gem, especially as, Maz Martin mentioned, my mom passed away in July of this year very unexpectedly. Also a lovely pic of mom in hospital just after Heather had been born – you certainly know the way into a girl’s heart!!! Bless you.

Vivienne


Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:46:54 (UTC)


I echo Heather's advice. I've had 5 infected messages in the last 24 hours. You can't be too careful.
Neil.

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:28:18 (UTC)


Northerners
Please note that there is a new virus doing the rounds:

W32/Bugbear@MM

On 1 October, McAfee upgraded this from low risk to medium risk but today, they have upgraded it to HIGH RISK.

More information is available at 32/Bugbear@MM.

As both Craig and I have already received a number of infected emails from members of the GNR, we suggest that everyone ensures that they download the latest version of their anti-virus program.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 07:21:52 (UTC)


Linda,

Which tent? I have a grandaddy one that sleeps six, a rooftop one that sleeps two - snugly and two baby tents that also sleep two very very snugly. The Landy fits six - and the tents all go either on top or in the trailer. Why are you asking?

Jilly

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 06:01:25 (UTC)


My thanks to the many messages posted and mailed. Ashley, Cedric's the butcher's son fights for his life at Sunninghill in Johannesburg. Mike and Georgette are there now and Lotta flies down with children Dennis and Nicky today. We all pray and hope for the best. If you are in Johannesburg try and give Mike and the family as much support as you can.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, October 04, 2002 at 04:20:02 (UTC)


Chris Swart
Very sorry to hear of the tragedy in Kitwe. Are you talking about Cedric the butcher's family here?

Bugs Da Silva
Where did you disappear to??

Jill Aplin
How many does your tent hold? How about your car?

Dave Cooper
Have you had any luck with finding a phone and a roof over your head yet?

I've got the blahs since returning back to the States. Scratching the days off the calendar until September 2003.
Looking forward to meeting up with some old friends for sure!



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 22:13:58 (UTC)


Johnny,

Loved your psalm to slimmers - I do all those things - right down to the liquid diet - maybe I am taking the wrong liquids? Aged grape juice (Klipdrift) with diet Coke??? I drink lots of it and only get rounder and rounder? Where am I going wrong?

Kitwe Main Bun, Outdoor Girl, Liquid dieter.

Hau!

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 21:18:28 (UTC)



Alix don't you be to sure about those hungry creatures not wanting to eat you I will be one of them there and also I am sure Elias could also be a bit of an animal, BOSS UP.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 20:47:20 (UTC)


Alix "Picaso" Key
Hey Shorty Key less of your wisecracks. Look here, I have found the ideal man for you. He is Male Applicant number 349. Unfortunately he is looking for a short fat Catholic girl, I am sure he wont mind a short thin Jewish girl. Dont miss this chance, here is your opportunity to get back to Zambia.
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MA. 349. He is a 42-year-old Lusaka businessman with two children aged 18 and 3. He is 1.82m tall, weighs 76kg and his hobbies include drawing, watching soccer, TV and listening to music, especially rhumba.
He is looking for a partner aged between 25 and 36 who should be a bit short and fat, preferably a Catholic, natural complexion, widow or divorced with one or two kids or none. He would prefer a teacher or a nurse.
Replies to Sunday Mail, quote Male applicant 349.
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Elias



Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 20:08:26 (UTC)


Elias ....the matchmaker
EG... It looks as though you have finaly found your vocation in life......just set up your web site and charge like a wounded bull and you will be a millionare....

Johnny....
Johnny thanks for the poem...what a incentive though...and just think those hungry creatures won't want to "eat" us....we will be too lean ..!!!!

Jilly
roughing it under an African sky with the stars shining...what an exquisite experience that would be..!!!!


Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 17:42:43 (UTC)



Just a little poem for all those girls that have sworn to appear in Livingstone like Twiggy, and there was quite a few. Love Johnny.

Strict is my diet.I must not want.
It maketh me to lie down at night hungry.
It leadeth me past the confectioners.
It trieth my willpower.
It leadeth me in the paths of alteration for my figure's
sake.Yea,though I walk through the aisles of the pastry
department,I will buy no sweet rolls for they are fattening.
The cake and the pies,they tempt me.
Before me is a table set with green beans and lettuce.
I filleth my stomach with liquids,
My day's quota runneth over.
Surely calorie and weight charts will follow me all the days of
my life, And I will dwell in the fear of scales forever.

OR UNTIL SEPT 003.

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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 17:21:36 (UTC)


Man wanted. Advertised in Sunday Mail 29th Sept
Advertiser is a 23-year-old Lusaka-based student, single and without children. She is 1.5m tall, weighs 48kg and her hobbies include cooking, baking, exchanging photos with friends, listening to different types of music and letter-writing.
With a moderate complexion and a prominent bust, she is looking for a partner aged between 28 and 32, who may be either a white man, an Asian or a Zambian, tall and huge, fairly handsome, in steady employment, at college or university.
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Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 16:31:57 (UTC)


Woman wanted. Advertised in Sunday Mail 29th Sept

Advertiser is a 40-year-old USA-based economist, single and without children. He is 1.72m tall, weighs about 70kg and his hobbies include playing golf, kayaking, reading and writing.
He is looking for a Zambian lady aged between 22 and 30 who should be naturally attractive, lean to medium (athletic), of diploma level, preferably in IT, accountancy or nursing profession, someone ambitious.

Smart and curvy with nice breasts, great legs and a nice back view. Moreover, she must be self-respecting, a Christian or a Buddhist, disease-free, ready to go for an AIDS test, single and without children.
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Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 16:26:45 (UTC)


Tragedy has sruck in Kitwe. Ashely Whittemore( son of Cedric), Lotta(nee Jaegnert) and their two children lost all their wordly possessions in a fire. Ashley is in bad condition with burns and inhalation and was cassevacced to Sunninghill this morning.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 14:12:46 (UTC)


Johnny,

Advice well taken. Will be at Livingstone Lark - camping of course - always been an outdoor girl - can't wait to meet you.....

Jilly

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 13:48:06 (UTC)


Linda H,

I remember Sparky - never knew him by any other name, though. He was kinda cute with long (very) wavy dark hair and wore a sparkplug round his neck on a leather thong! I thought he was adoracble, but I don't think he ever even noticed me, sigh! He was not from Kitwe - maybe Chingola? I even have a photo of him taht I think Greg gave to me.

Love,

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 13:44:49 (UTC)


Gary,
Much belated but no less meant.What a bash.....OK mate you outdid me in a big way. I take my hat off to you............The next challenge is for someone to beat your bash.......in England..........Heathers doesn`t count.
I met some wonderful people there, who I hope to see in Livingstone. Graham and Fiona Wall, Elias ( at last )The door at the Banbury house will never be the same after Heather attacked it.Johnny as (randy as ever). And everyone else. Long may the family on the GNR continue.

Des Kenny (formerly Crouch)Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 12:40:49 (UTC)


Another Reminder
(just in case you missed the one I posted last month)

Reunion in Zambia

When? 26th - 28th September 2003
Where?Livingstone

Please let me know (by email) if you are interested in attending as it is now less than a year away and I should be able to start negotiating prices, but need to have an idea of numbers.

Many of you spoke to me in Banbury and said you would like to attend. Please can you send me an email to confirm.




Fiona Mills
Sorry this is late but I had a bad day yesterday:

Happy Birthday for 2nd October





Paul Lindenberg

Happy Birthday





Nick and Lina Lindenberg

Congratulations on your 56th Wedding Anniversary





Northerners
For those who were unable to attend the bash at Banbury, here is your chance to see what a cutie Arthur is:

Click for image.

Linda
The chutney will be on its way to you in the next few days.

Marion Murphy
I shall post all the information as soon as it becomes available.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 07:14:44 (UTC)



Dear fellow Bashers I was sorry to hear that quite a number of you had contracted the dreaded lurgy at the bash I am happy to say that I was not affected at all, I put this down to to my lovemaking being conducted in the open air ie the 18th Green and not in some stuffy airless room in some hostelry in Banbury maybe a lesson to be learned here for the bashes of all bashes at Livingstone in Sept 003 spread the word, Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 07:02:36 (UTC)


Hi Arthur
Thanks for the photos from Rhokana. Remember so many of the people.
Actually went back to see the house where that photo was taken, couldn't believe it the mango trees we used to climb down the side were still there.
Ada if you read this, I think Marjorie Wienand was an incredible athlete remember her well at school.
Arthur one of the photos has a photo of my late cousins husband, the group of apprentices, so have sent that onto his daughter in Durban sure she will be fascinated to see her Dad in his youth.

Lived next door to Guy Hobbs for many years, was there a photo of him at the Banbury Bash.

Thanks again Arthur
Denise



Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 03:32:52 (UTC)


To all the Bwanas with the flu
Frorence Nightinhell (a.k.a. The lady in Red) told me to pass a message she is winging her way back to the UK to give you her personal muti. Run!!!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 01:07:53 (UTC)


Oh Johnny, Johnny, Johnny how could you? After me paying you five chickens you have done a 'kiss and tell'!!!

Edwina has nothing on you - may all your eggs have salmonella!

However, I forgive you I know you can't help it.

lurve ya you mad fool!

Moi Moo Fivecows and the Python





Moira FenwickClick here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 22:13:57 (UTC)


Howie Silk

Welcome to the GNR old mate! Brilliant to see U posting at long last. I remember U very well (like Linda Dore) and the many good times we had all those years back in Kitwe. Don't suppose U have the long black hair and droopy mustache anymore. Nor do I for that matter - just clean and shiny on the top now. Take care mate and keep in touch.

Linda Dore

Hi darlin'! The picannin bebbe is well and in postie to the medem Fiona in transit to U. Hee hee I know about the bebbe too. Claire at hotel had messive hunt for bebbe!!!! Take care darling - regards to the family.



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 21:02:53 (UTC)


Howie
Great to see you posting. It takes a while (and a lot of hogging the board, I'm told...he! he!) to get comfortable with the written word. Who is Sparky? I did the name tags and I'm looking back through them for this name. Obviously a nick name. And skinheadish? Well a lot of the men had lost their hair or at least part of it. Which one was he?

Tina and Fiona
Which one of you told my secret about the "soft-lipped one" after I left the bash? I'm told you got a snog out of it for your trouble. At least I behaved myself. A couple of close calls, but all I ever got was my glasses steamed up. He! He! I should be so lucky.. and my husband should be so tolerant.

Sorry to all those who seem to be bitten by the flu bug or whatever it is. A number of you have emailed me and it seems whatever it was has really got a grip on you. Come to Texas for some warm weather and that will sort you out.

If anyone got the chance to sample the chutney that Heather brought from Zambia, I would highly recommend it. It was delicious! Trying to get my hands on a couple of bottles, so hopefully Heather and I can work a deal out.

Northerners in South Africa
Please think about coming to the reunion next year. It would be lovely to see some old faces again. Hopefully, with a year for us all to save up, it would be workable??

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 17:36:14 (UTC)


Howzit Zambians! I've just been told that my last (rather formal and stiff) message has been binned / archived! Just want to say Hi to all who know / knew me. thanks to Paul for answering, and look forward to anyone else getting in touch. Is Saprky out there? heard you were at banbury still fit as a fiddle and skinheadish!! Howzit old mate?

Howard SilkClick here to contact me
Durban, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 17:15:45 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS IN DERBY!

If you live in Derby and can help out with getting me sorted, I would greatly appreciate it.

I have a helluva palava getting a mobile phone. Not as easy as South Africa, where you just rent one from the Vodaphone office at the airport and voila!

Tonight I am off to look at a house for rent at Alvaston.

I would like some advice about best deals on phones, where I can get a used Smart car, a doctor, dentist, etc. Perhaps the Derby Northerners might want to get together to advise me about living here?

I am staying at the Travel Inn in the Wyvern. But there are no phones in the room. Go figure? Otherwise I am at my work at Criterion Software (01332.680300).

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 14:40:34 (UTC)


Hello Arthur,

The pictures from the Rhokana Review were fantastic.
I now remember what the people, who I now converse with on the Niner,looked like i.e. Jim Cash!

It was also great to see my cousin Lottie Eldridge, who sadly passed away recently, and Betty McCallum her best friend, not to forget old Granny McCallum. This old lady had a wooden leg, but nothing ever got her down what a fiesty lady. I visited Betty McCallum and her husband Bill a quite a number of years ago when I was in Cape town, amazingly they were just the same. Also June Bohl - now I fully recognise your Dad, had a bit of trouble bringing his image to mind. Brings back very happy memories. Again many thanks Arthur for all your hard work.

It was also great to meet you in person at Banbury.

Regards,

Maz

Marianne Martin (née Griffiths)Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 13:38:49 (UTC)



George Maxwell it still remains a well kept secret about MOO'S party trick but I was honoured to see some of her props at Banbury,It must be a very complicated trick to perform as a slight overdose of alchohol renders her incapable of performing it, maybe that is why she did not oblige us in Banbury, as for the props she showed me they were out of this world and I will only disclose a few of them to the delicate ears of our readers, one was a bottle of Klipdrift Brandy at what stage that comes into the act I would't know maybe at the end when she is exhausted with her Gyrations, one of the other requisits is a pair of very cleanly shaven armpits again reason unknown but I could hazard a guess,and a small python that she refused to show me as it was resting in her wardrobe, an Ericsons vibrating telephone defied all conjecture, plus a jar of vaseline, and a pair of spangled tights, the people who's appetite has been whetted will have to attend the next bash at Livingstone to see all this stuff in use, I have allready booked my accomodation in that little african village set up for tourists ajacent to the main hotel at a cost of 28 ngwee per night but no sadsa provided, but they do throw in a gallon of Chibuku so any port in a storm for Johnny.

MOO MOO I love you.









JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 09:17:12 (UTC)


Johnny
There are many opticians in this country just waiting to help you!!!
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 08:47:32 (UTC)


Ada

Nice to know there are lots of you about. Thanks Ada and Chris for the Lusaka Convent picture (and to Sarky for posting it). That was taken on the steps to the Hall. The hall had a good stage and was used for Assembly, Gym, stage productions, and for a brief period while the new Boarders' quarters were being built, as a dormitory. Some of us will remember being able to lie on our beds in the Hall and watch the Saturday night film.

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 08:13:35 (UTC)


Barry Woodrow,

I will be in Richards Bay only on the 11th (friday), so I'll miss you. I would have loved to have got together with you, shucks.

Jill

Jill Aplin (née Aplin)Click here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 07:49:19 (UTC)



BWANA STEEVENS
Thank for posting the picture of my dad. As a worthless lad I was not privy to his comings and goings. It's all interesting stuff for me. Thanks again.
Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 00:07:23 (UTC)


Heather:

My hubby has finally agreed that attending the September 2003 "re"union at Livingston(?) is a good idea! I am excited at the prospect. I realize it is still a long way away, but is there more information available yet? I have not been reading regularly, so i realize this might all have been posted already, so i beg forgiveness. I did look for a link on the main page!Hopefully we will have time to pop up to chisamba and see if we can locate the old farm!

thanks

Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 22:58:32 (UTC)


Arthur

Wow!!!!

I have to get my mom in Surrey to a computer fast to see that photo, it really took me back.
I would love to meet some of those people again, some of them we know about, Alastair McCallum became the youngest judge in England and lives in Cheshire, my uncle John Finlayson, now about 85, still keeps in touch with the McCallums, and suggested to me that Billy McCallum has a full set of Rhokana reviews in Cape Town. Betty was previously married to Kevin Lentin (Kevin posted here for a while until someone revealed that his nickname was Ting a Ling) - Kevin I never met you but remain intrigued as to how you came by the ginger beer nickname. The Howells were next door neighbours to the Hoggs (Dave and Alan now live in Edinburgh).
Mrs McCallum senior was a wonderful old lady and as I didn't have any grandparents she was the only old person that I knew. I still clearly remember visiting her. Ian McCallum (the rugby player) wrote a book called Thorns to Kilimanjaro (isbn 0-86486-359-4) I recognised one of the elements in the book as being drawn from his granny.
I do wonder where some of the others went, Jimmy Sharp, Sharon Howells etc. no doubt the answer will emerge through these pages.

Vivien Eldridge, I have counted the drinks on the table, there were more kids than bottles, do you think that we may have shared a Fanta that day?

Special thanks to Guy Hobbs for providing the Rhokana Reviews.

Finally

I can't avoid it .. Gary what a great job(when I called you Alan I was tired and emotional, plus the contacts had misted up a bit, sorry about that) . It was wonderful to meet so many people for the first time and so many of you for the second time. I am sorry about the bright blue shirt but my mom made me wear it!! We need another bash soon so that we can find out more about what Moira Fenwick's famous trick is, however, I do think we may need a bigger hall.

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 22:24:46 (UTC)


Diane
Yes Marjorie Wienand is my cousin, Aud's sister. Her Dad and Mom are Aubrey and Jan Wienand.
We are everywhere!!!!
Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 21:47:21 (UTC)


Artie

Thanks so much for the photo of my Dad - it brings back so many memories (and a tear to the eye!). Is the girl that he is presenting a prize to any relation of Ada's????

If anyone has any recollection of my parents, John and Frances Longman, I would love to know. My Mum is very ill and I know that she would really enjoy being told about the "old days".

Thanks again Artie - you are a GEM

Diane



Diane Sewley (née Longman)Click here to contact me
Bristol, United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 21:37:39 (UTC)


Hi Arthur
Thanks for the photos - great. Unfortunately that is not me in the photo at Tech, it is my cousin Audrey, I was never a blond so never had that much fun. (he he)I spoke to Audrey on Saturday for the first time in maningi years. She and her family live in Zululand on a sugar cane farm, where we spent our honeymoon.
The fire had nothing to do with me!!! OKAY!!!
Keep digging you might come across a photo of me when I was young!!!

Ada

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 20:34:29 (UTC)


Northerners !

Some more bits and pieces from the Rhokana Reviews which I think could be of interest to a few of you here, maybe.

Like - George Maxwell, the Eldridges, Diane Sewley (nee Longman), Gordon Garlic, Chris Swart and the Brassingtons, the Wienands, June Bohl, Ted Dowding, Jimmy Cash, Bob Trail, Steve de Lange and Denise Horton (nee Wellbeloved). Enjoy.


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All extracted from a variety of Rhokana Reviews circa 1959 and 1954 (Hendricksens)

These are from the latest Rhokana Reviews loaned to me by Guy Hobbs - many more photos of quite a few more of you will follow later. Thank you Guy.


Tina

Chris and Ada Cantrell just reminded me that they included this photo amongst a few others to go on the GNR.

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Standard 1 St Marys Convent Lusaka 1955


Chris - I also took a look at the slides you also sent - there are a couple of a BIG fire - is this the one Ada became infamous for? Please provide the details !


Arthur




Tracey Donovan

The place that you’re refering to could well be the area below the spillway at Mita Hills- although I never heard it refered to as "Des Valley". This area had beautiful azure pools, surrounded by large granite boulders and small beaches of white sand; with areas of Mica Schist. I still recall how crystal clear those pools were - especially after the spillway had been closed for a few days. I spent many a happy school holiday at Mita Hills - fishing, shootin’, boating and roaming those hills.

Jack Wardell,

It was Des’s brother, Johnny Hunt, who maintained Mita Hills for ZBHD Co.. Des farmed on the Lusaka side of BH. Johnny, a close friend of my father, was truly one of Natures Gentlemen. As a kid I hero-worshipped him, and I could write a book of his exploits. At one stage Cecil Brannigan was responsible for the power station at Lunsemfwa - for which Mita Hills was the regulatory dam. I still recall the radio call sign (from the early ‘60s) for Mita Hills and Lunsemfwa Zinc Three calling Zinc Two. Zinc Three calling Zinc Two. Come in Zinc Two.


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Above photo: At Mita Hills (August 1967) Left: Johnny Hunt. Right: Bevis Parfitt.

My eldest sister, Rowena, is at the helm


Alix,

Thanks for the Elephant sketch. Like the elephant, we don’t forget.


Johnny Green,

As we’ll be persuing dangerous game, I’ll need the services of the young professional with the large bore double. Please arrange.


Kenneth (Ken) Miller,

Funny how some numbers just stick in one’s head. My Zambian driving licence was No.17719.

Regards

CJ




Finally for tonight

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Ali's latest work of art.

Nice one Ali !

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 19:26:14 (UTC)


"Netiquette" Reminder

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Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 16:09:02 (UTC)


Elias
Yes, it was the Anton van Heerden of riding fame. Unfortunately, he passed away a few years ago in Monte Carlo, I believe it was. It was while racing a speed boat that overturned on top of him. I have, actually, been on the back of a bike with him. I posted about it once before, I think. He went so low around the corner that sparks were flying off the kickstand. It was such a rush. By the way, I do also have a motorbike licence from the same instructor. Anton and my boyfriend at the time, Miles Parton, were best mates.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 12:39:17 (UTC)


1947 Royal Tour of Southern Africa.

For all those interested, I have just received a copy of an e-mail from Geoff Mangin to Edgar Beckett answering queries re the tour. Here it is :

Hi Edgar

Thanks for your Email. Yes in 1947 I was a cinematographer for the Southern Rhodesian Government. We made a colour film of the Royal Visit to that country (only) - early in April I think - and we traveled in the 'pilot train' ahead of the 'White Train' containing the visitors - who we met personally on one occasion.

The South African visit had started in February (I think) when they arrived by battleship (Vanguard) in Cape Town. The visit was a sort of thank you for the help the Union gave Britain in the recent war. General Smuts was the host. They travelled all around the Union in the White Train, spending some time in the major cities. I am sure they did NOT visit South West Africa, nor Lesotho, Swaziland or Botswana. (The White Train travelled empty through Botswana in both directions)

From their Johannesburg stop they flew to Salisbury and stayed at Government House. Then by White Train to Bulawayo - to climb up the Matopos to Rhodes Grave - then on to the Victoria Falls (Falls Hotel). We (the Press group) saw the King (in shorts) and the two princesses (cotton frocks) appear sopping wet from the rain forest - not very regal. We did not film this.

The party then drove to the northern bank of the Zambezi and received the top man of the Barotses in his highly decorated barge, then on to Livingstone (NR) from where I think they flew back to Salisbury, Johannesburg or direct to Cape Town. I am sure you can find details of the Visit in some library in Britain or the Internet.

I personally didn't film anything in the Union but a film-making friend, Brian McIntosh (deceased) covered much of it - including the princess's birthday parade in Cape Town. An edited 11-minute VHS cassette copy was presented to the Queen Mum on her 90th birthday.. Brief excerpts were recently used by Granada TV in their documentary 'The Queen - by Andrew Morton'. I can supply a VHS (Pal) copy of Brian's presentation to the QM for R50 - plus postage.

All the above are only briefly mentioned in my rather technical autography 'Filming Emerging Africa' (ISBN-0-620-22021-X) almost out of print. I could find a copy for R100 (including surface postage). But there are copies in the British Film Institute, London, the TV Society (Holborn), Commonwealth Society, etc.

I am sure I also have odd stamps and envelopes associated with the Rhodesian visit (only).

I will be happy to supply any further information I may have.

Kind regards .................. from Geoff Mangin
.... Email: (e-mail address removed by GNR)......


Note- Some of the coaches from the White Train are on display in the Railway Museum in George (Western Cape.)



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 09:06:40 (UTC)


Sorry Linda, it was a car you were in. Just the thought of your skirt round your waist as you mentioned distracted me. I was thinking of you on a motor bike with your skirt flying around.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 08:22:12 (UTC)


Linda Hayes
Linda, I read in your message to Kenny Miller that you had a ride on Anton van Heerden's motorbike. Was he one of the famous van Heerden racing family.
I can remember a van Heerden racing at Eureka speedway. Usually miles ahead of every one else on a 4 cylinder, Honda 750. I think.
If that was the bike you were on, you must have been very brave. It was a monster.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 08:18:06 (UTC)


URGENT!!!! HEATHER CHALCRAFT!!!
Heather, I forgot to put my bid in for the "Show Time" book. I dont know what all the other bids are like, but I need that book so I am offering £20-00. You havent said what bids you have received yet, so I am just taking a guess.
Meanwhile can you perform some Zambian jiggerypokery and delete the other offers and blame it on a lightning strike.
Elias

Elias GeorgopoullosClick here to contact me
Dundee, Scotland
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 08:11:40 (UTC)


Linda
I guess I'm one of those who doesn't post very often, so consider this a response to your comments, both on the Board and at the Bash. It was great to see you there! Oh yes, I've had a bug too ... I thought it was something that I'd picked up in India ... it really doen't sound so exotic to tell people I have a Banbury Bug rather than Delhi Belly ...

Gary
What to say when everyone else has already said it? Superb, fantastic ... what a weekend!
I'm only sorry that my constitution isn't what it was, and that - whilst I managed to shrug off the jet-lag on Friday evening - by 11.00pm on Saturday I was reduced to drinking water in an attempt to stay awake.
Nevertheless, it was wonderful to meet so many people who I already felt I knew from the GNR - too many to mention, other than to say what a pleasure to meet the whole Brassington clan, and the "Politburo" of Arthur, Craig, Dave and Heather (that's in alphabetical order before you criticise me!!). An great to renew friendships with people I hadn't seen for years - Guy Hobbs, Adrian and Cindy Nash, Nick and Rita Nel, Linda Dore, Terry and Shirley Hinton, Thelma Holland ...

Jill Aplin
I'll be in Richards Bay late Sunday afternoon 06 October until early morning Wednesday 09 October - if you're there on those dates and want to get together with others ex-NR/Z then we could continue where Banbury left off ... you can contact me at Richards Hotel.



Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 07:13:56 (UTC)



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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 06:14:30 (UTC)


Ian Singer
Thanks again for all the hard work you put into your own website so that we can enjoy the fruits of your labour. It is good to see that you are still around.

To the people who said there is a specific group who seem to do all the posting all the time. I plead guilty, but I would also like to encourage and invite you to post to us, please. We want to interact with you. We are interested in hearing what you have to say. Please come out from behind the bushes and post.

Hi Ken Miller
I enjoyed your driving licence story. I remember taking my driving test in a car that Anton Van Heerden had been working on and the carb needed adjusting badly and I was having a devil of a job keeping it from stalling. I had never driven it before, and he kindly loaned it to me for the test. I had to drive up the little slope to the stop sign on Drury Lane in Kitwe (remember that, anyone?)and keep it from running back down the hill. I think the driving instructor took pity on me in the situation. That.. or the fact that my dress was up around my waist by the time I had frantically swung between the brake and clutch a zillion times. Ah... the days of mini skirts.

I have heard from quite a few people who have come down with a bug since the Bash. Is everyone under the weather, except me?? That tells me that I never got enough hugs on Saturday. Hmmmm.

Fifi
Has Innocenti been delivered yet? I got an email from Claire at the Banbury House Hotel today, in response to my thank you note, and apology for leaving my child in the cupboard. (Force of habit..) She said that her staff told her our group was delightful and welcome back at the hotel at any time. I didn't have the heart to tell her that you stole the sheets and towels from your room. he! he!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 04:34:38 (UTC)


Last month (September) was the busiest month on the message board since the password system was instituted for posting. This is a good thing. I hope that the continuing influx of new members will keep this increasing. If you are still having problems with your password, help is on the way so please hang tough.


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