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Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added selected items from Zambia Magazine June 1966 - New Road Transport Service to Dar-es-Salaam, First Major General of Zambian Army, USA and Canada Airlifts End, Private Visit of Seretse Khama, John Mwanakatwe - Minister of Education. See Brian Barratt's section.

Added two more Kabwe theatrical contributions from Gil Wilson to his section - 'Dick Whittington' and 'Variety Arms - Clubnite 71'.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 17:47:45 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added three items to Roy Williams' material - see his section 'From Roy's Archives'.
1/ Game Conservation for Protein Production in the Mweru Marsh Game Reserve
2/ Conservation of Lechwe for Native Nutrition in Northern Province
3/ A Study of Land Tenure on the Lake (Tanganyika) Shore

Whilst these are very interesting documents, it must be admitted that the quality of the scans from these old originals means that tey will be quite demanding to read.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 15:51:46 (UTC)


Wilma Wall
I see that my last message was one of those trashed by the server recently, so here goes with a sort of repeat.
Your brother, George Henry and I, trained together for our fisrt jump. It was Kitwe that we managed to find a plane.... a Piper Tripacer. We all toddled off there from Mufulira and I happened to be first up. We had been trained to: look up at the canopy to see it was OK, then swtich off the altimeter operated automatic opener for the reserve. It was a .22 cartridge in a casing that blew the pin out. Anywya, theres 'muggins' up and out. Looked up, yeah OK. whew! Forgot and lo and behold, bang at 1200 feet above ground, so I came down with the reserve between my legs as I had grabbed it to prevent it opening. The problem was - there was only one in the entire N.R. So poor old George and all of us had to wait another 6 weeks till we got a replacement from the States. I did my second and G his first. We all had a good laugh when he landed in trees.
Not the state of skydiving training these days let me tell you.
Anyway, please give him my est when you next talk.
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 15:18:29 (UTC)


The longest price of the three wins and the others run below par. Scented samantha was a 5/1 chance.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 14:47:17 (UTC)


The Springbok Coach Rudolph Straeuli has been locked up after being caught breaking into a cigarette machine - he was looking for 20 Players......

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 14:04:41 (UTC)


Chris Swart...

For the first time ever I have been able to bet on your tips at William Hill. The money I have saved for my eight childrens Xmas presents this year is in your hands with three doubles and a treble....

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 11:25:41 (UTC)


This weeks tips
Ferraris stable fancy at Turfontein
Race 2 Scented Samantha
Race 4 Double Danzig
Race 6 Token Power
Should make a good treble
Punters can bet in the Uk on SA Racing through Eurobet or Ukbetting.
Know where to put the proceeds



Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 08:38:49 (UTC)


Hello there you lot.

THIS IS A MESSAGE FOR SARKY AURTHER.

WELCOME BACK, having met the little ray of sunshine at the
bash, (I might add he is really a very nice man). I for one am very glad to see his return.

For Dave. I have had my fingers crossed, it would be great to have you back "thuis hier in Nederland.!!!!

Well I will end now and speak to you all soon.

Love to you all Wilma


Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 22:17:32 (UTC)


Arthur,

Before you finalise the new-look GNR site you and the other members of the Politburo might consider finding a place on the home page for Mike Wilson's great picture of the fish eagle (www4.greatnorthroad.org/gnr/bboard/0211/fisheagle.jpg).



John WhithamClick here to contact me
Windsor, England
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 12:16:59 (UTC)


Northerners

    Images waiting to be posted on the Message Board


Due to technical reasons images cannot be uploaded to the server until after the 3rd December – I will post all the waiting ones soon after that. Promise.

    The Whittemore family


To clear up some misunderstanding by a few members – the Whittemore family are not related to mine, the recent bereavement in my family was due to the loss of my sister in law who died very suddenly. I do not know the Whittemore’s personally.

I will let you all know soon how much has been raised for the Whittemore children.

I am also behind with the CD’s and will get the outstanding orders out next week too.


    The Elias question


Elias removed himself from the Membership and ran off. He was not compelled to leave. He was playing Russian roulette and blew his own ear off.

The matter of posting a link to all that obscenity was a big mistake on his part, yes people have said others should skip over things if they don’t like them – but I got annoyed big time because I do not appreciate receiving loads of complaining e-mails about what somebody else posted. I have better things to do on a weekend.

Infringement of copyright is also a serious matter as it can put the site in jeopardy.

I have just received an e-mail with a sort of peace offering from the Elias, I miss him myself (a tiny bit), but I think I will keep him on the rack for another week or so because I enjoy being vindictive as well as sarcastic. It will also give him more time to save up; I cannot possibly be bought with such a small peace offering. He may e-mail you all for a whip round, so be generous he needs it.

    Some more good news


Dave, Heather, Craig (when he has had a spare moment) and I are currently working with a top-notch web designer Craig has recruited – she is doing a fantastic job on the new GNR website for FREE.

Much progress has been made with most of the framework completed and tested out. We are now at the point of completing the graphical look and feel of the site, just the arguing stage to sort out now.

So we are making big steps in getting nearer to the long awaited revamped GNR – and only interrupted now and again.


Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 11:59:21 (UTC)


Johnny ....
how did you get the scores........???? ......there was a lot of hot air last week regarding the FANTASTIC SPRINGBOKS on the message board...did it blow over here.....
seems to affected the English cricket team a bit...hehehe
I can tell you it is a laugh a minute...hehehe....good sitting on the fence........
oh and by the way THE FANTASTIC FABULOUS, WILL BE BACK....!!!!
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:55:36 (UTC)



A very Happy Birth Day CHRIS HAYES and may you live for ever and may I never die. Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:10:56 (UTC)



Jilly in that case Kathy must have been crying with Joy.
Love Johnny.
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I have just seen the latest cricket scores and can only think that our captain Hussein is taking instructions from his dad Sadaam.
That is all I am going to print about cricket the subject is closed.
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:06:57 (UTC)


CHRIS HAYES......

HAPPY 15TH BIRTHDAY TO YOU FROM US DOWNUNDER

LOTS OF LOVE AND WISHES
FROM
ALIX, ALICE ,JADE AND LEAH......




Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 07:24:07 (UTC)


THANK YOU..........
To the people who sent me Buffday and birthday wishes.....thanks a million........really appreciated them.....lets hope this next 12 months is much better than the last for all of us....
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 07:21:00 (UTC)


!ilA yadhtriB yppaH

Jade would want me to put it like that and anyway you're in the Southern Hemisphere so messages and bathwater go round the other way.

Love,

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 01:39:23 (UTC)


Johnny,

Funny you should say that - Kathy is an England supporter - one of your greatest fans, in fact!

Jilly X X

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 19:39:19 (UTC)


Craig

Don't worry at all about losing some of Johnny's messages. He's having a field day rubbing salt in the wounds. How many bottles of gin would it take to bribe you to remove them all. I am not expecting much success, after all we couldn't even bribe the ref properly.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 17:25:13 (UTC)


Cor blimey, I didn't realise that my posting a message would a/ cause the censor to act
b/ cause the whole server to crash
I can't remember what I wrote, but it was a ditty about my sister in law who left Murrayfield in tears 10 minutes before the end of the game there. It took at least 10 G&T's to get her even to talk. My poor brother was denied conjugal rites for a whole week. Then Twickenham happened, now he's seriously concerned. Maybe if he stopped gloating.
Neil.
P.S. In spite of ALL the rain we've had, Scotland were still watering the pitch!!!!!

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 13:40:17 (UTC)



Dear Heather after perusing your pics again of the Sandton Wake I note that Kathy Barnett is actually crying into her soup poor girl, but I would imagine that she made up the deficiency of liquid in her body after she saw the final score. Love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:43:57 (UTC)



Happy Birth Day to Mrs MONET KEYS Alias Alix and may you have many More. Love Jhnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:33:40 (UTC)



Happy Birth Day to my dear friend MELANIE BOUSFIELD and don't walk into any door frames to day.

Love Johnny.x



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:29:32 (UTC)


Northerners
It is I, and not Craig, who should be apologising for the board being down, because it was my email account that was receiving the enormous emails.

But I don't like to take the blame for anything, so I am going to wriggle out of this and blame Mark Harvey - it was his photographs that caused the problem. Now what punishment would be suitable??

Craig
Will a case of gin be enought to pay for my sins?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:04:12 (UTC)


Alix,

Happy birthday - have a lovely day down under.

Lotsa Love,

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 06:42:00 (UTC)


Linda,

Thanks, and sorry I haven't replied to your e-mail yet, but now you know why. :)


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:48:54 (UTC)


Dear Johnny

Thank you, that did bring a smile to my face. That's my idea of heaven "a dog that supports the Bokke" - two of the great loves of my life.

Viv

Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:39:22 (UTC)


Craig
Thanks so much for all your hard work to get the board up and running again. Sounds like you have had a nightmare to deal with. You are very much appreciated!!

Alix
Happy Birthday from Linda and the Hayes Clan.



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:29:30 (UTC)


Happy Birthday mum love always your eldest daughter Alice. Hope you have a good day mummy. Lots of love Leah.happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear mummy happy birthday to you
have a nice day love jezzabelle

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:20:41 (UTC)


Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I figure I should explain the situations that have caused the message board to be unavailable so much for the last couple of days.

First of all, there was the server upgrade which affected all accounts on this server equally. The server wasn't down for the full six hours, but was down intermittently during that period. Then there was some cleaning up to do before the GNR (and several other sites) was functioning properly.

Then there was a message posted which gave a very unclear picture of someone's personal situation, which was immediately responded to by someone else and caused some embarrassment. At the request of those two people I immediately deleted the messages in question to avoid further misunderstandings. However, I was not able to put the message board back right away, so it was down for several hours.

Today, to compound all of my problems, the server was bombarded by message after message with large attachments, which quickly ate up the free disk space on the server. (Coincidentally, one of the new features installed after the upgrade will give me the ability to stop this from happening again.) This caused no end of headaches for me and the other clients on this server. Unfortunately, one of the side effects of this situation was that, while someone was posting a message here, the entire message board for November was lost because there was no space for it. The good news is that there was a back-up copy which (as you can see below) means that most of November's messages are still available. However, messages posted since the back-up was made were lost. I don't remember them all, but there were probably about five or six and I know that messages posted by Johnny Green and Neil Smith were two of the lost posts.

Hopefully this will be it for now, otherwise I'm going to have to look up a particular district commissioner to check if he's well stocked with G&T!


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:06:50 (UTC)


Four messages deleted at the request of the two posters.


Johnny, just a quick note of support to let you know that you're not alone.
Funny how when the boks (and All-Blacks and Aussies)were beating England in days gone by it was the highlight of their season, and now they're losing, they're at the end of a long,hard season.......... diddums!!!!!!
One of the online SA newspapers headlines was 'Boks battered to biltong'....wherever that is.
Still in smug mode.
Neil.





Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 23:00:04 (UTC)


Well I have been quiet for a while. But having seen Mr. Knotts message, I feel I have to explain about my brother George and his short Parachuting career.
He did a lot of training and when the day arrived for him to take his jump,(my mum was in our garden when she saw this fool jump out of a plane and saw that his shute did not open.) Goerge managed to open his emergency one and landed in a tree. Ernie Matachek? was seen in the back of a landrover with a brandy in a glass being driven out of the flying club looking for george who had landed in a tree.
There was this young african man about to chop down the tree, when he suddenly heard this crash and there was my bro hanging in this tree. The young man threw himself down on the ground and started praying Bwana Jesus, Bwana Jesus.
Needless to say that when young Ernie arrived there was not much brandy left in the glass. After Goerge arrived home my mum asked George who was the blxxxxxyfool that jumped without a parachut. You can imagine her shock.
Goerge then went out that afternoon to play a rugby match and came home with a rather large black eye.
Well folks my holiday in SA is getting near. I will be off to SA on the 23rd of December and will be in natal for two weeks and then off to the cape area for about a week. So if anyone ones to get together please do get in touch.
We will be in Joburg from the 13th to 14th January, will be staying in a hotel near the airport. Should anyone want to come and see us or meet us somewhere please let me know.
Well I will end now, by the way Bill did you know Georges friend Gino I think his name was he did about 200 jumps and then was killed in a car crash in Mufulira.
Bye for now and hope to hear from you lot again.
Lots of Love, yours as always Wilma


Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 21:32:35 (UTC)



Jilly You know I'm always excited.
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Wilkie you say you English supporters as if you arn't one?
But Im afraid we can't win em all and the hammering we are taking down under we have got used to over the years, but we can take it, but when we beat the Bokkes that is some thing else. regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 21:00:19 (UTC)


Doug Grewar and other air phanatics,
Sorry to hear that some yahoo scared you and you didnt get to learn t fly. Hmmm. It may be that its a sink or swim thing and one can ease into it or dive.
In 1956 I had the chance to go to Kitwe with the Muf school Principal- name?? as my Mom was asst/vice whatever and he had to bring a Chipmunk back to Muf for the Flying Club. So mouthy son here went along for his first ride. The Chippie is a small two seater aerobatic(Canadain, tho I didnt knoiw that), and the way to speak with the pilot was through a tube from the rear(me) to the front(him. Neato, thought I and off we went. Up to 6000 and toddling along to Muf over the bush, me straining to look out and not recognising a thing except the Muf/Kitwe/Nchanga interesction. He asked if I was OK.
"Yo" said I or words to that effect. Like yes sir. " Do you want to have fun" "Oh, I can take anything" says I, having read all of Biggles books and scads of WW2 stuff aout Spitfires etc.
Over we go into a roll. Yipes! Up into a Hammerhead. Double!! "You Ok" "YeEAHH!)Loops, all the stuff he could throw.
I wanted to get out and hang around up in the air forever. He then tried to shake me up as the lippy son of his fellow teacher. No go, bozo, could take anything, as I was now imaging Gerries everywhere. Rat a tat tat etc.
Anyway, that feeling stayed with me for the next 6 years, with no chance to go up again, until I found out that there was some training for a skydiving club happening on the Copperbelt. For the next 3 months I hitched from Chingola where I was U/G to Muf, once a week. I packed about 80 parachutes before I finally got to jump my first. That, and my second with George, brother of Wilma Wall in the Netherlands, is another of a long string of stories.
Stayed with the sport for 24 years, jumped more than 20 countries etc etc etc.
Good fun.
blah blah blah.
Cheers,
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 20:49:54 (UTC)


Glenda Fenwick,

What about Kathy, Lynthia and Jill also looking good???

We were looking a bit down in the mouth because the bar was showing the Manchester United game instead of the rugby!

He! He! Only joking - at least Johnny got excited!
Love,

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 19:54:04 (UTC)


Before all you English supporters get too euphoric, you should maybe remember that the boks only had 14 players for most of the match. At least Scotland played their whole team. I also notice that little mention is being made about the cricket.

Gilbert WilsonClick here to contact me
Loughborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 19:05:58 (UTC)



Dear Viv I hope this manages to bring a smile to your beautiful face,Johnny

Subject: The Bokke
>
> A guy walks into a pub with a dachshund under his arm. The dog is wearing
> a "Springbok" jersey and cap and is festooned with little "Springbok"
> flags.
>
> The bartender says, "Hey! No pets are allowed in here! You'll have to
> leave!" The guy begs him, "Look, I'm desperate. We're both big fans, the
> TV at home is broken, and this is the only place around here where we can watch the game!"
>
> After securing a promise that the dog will behave, and warning him that heand the dog will be thrown out if there's any trouble, the bartender
> relents and allows them to stay in the bar and watch the game.
>
> The big game begins with the "Bokke" receiving the kick-off. They speed off down field and immediately score a penalty. With that the dog jumps up on the bar, gets onto his hind legs and begins walking up and down giving
> high-fives to everyone.
>
> The bartender says, "Wow, that is the most amazing thing I've ever seen!
> What does the dog do if they score a try?"
>
> The owner replies, "I don't know, I've only had him for a year."
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 17:36:08 (UTC)


Hartley Heaton
Roger Ward has emailed me to say that Peter Hedges was a director of CBC Zambia in the mid-late 60's, based in Ndola. Sadly, he died in a car accident. He was a keen sailor and Roger remembers him at Muf' dam.

Vivienne
It was wonderful meeting all of your as well. Next time I am down there, I will finalise my plans earlier and I'll make sure there is no rugby match on at the same time.

Gil Wilson
Have just seen the message that you posted sometime ago. I don't remember a photo of the rugby club in Kabwe, but will trawl through my computer and see if I can find anything. If not, I'll have to take one next time I'm in Kabwe.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 15:36:23 (UTC)


Doug and Johnny

You are being too kind - most of us look morbid, not sad and more than a little bit "under the weather" and that was before the game even started!!! We must have sensed what was to come, but needless to say we had a great time with Heather Chalcraft and were very glad of the chance to meet her, she is a super lady.

Heather

Thanks for taking the time and the trouble to arrange the get together - look forward to catching up with you in Zambia in September 2003.

Vivienne


Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 13:08:04 (UTC)


Upgrade still in progress. Test post. Sorry for the inconvenience. Please resume your speed.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 12:27:31 (UTC)


[NinerNet] Upgrade of Tier II Hosting Server


Dear NinerNet hosted client,

The upgrade that we promised back in August will be carried out this week. There were some security concerns that needed to be worked out before implementation.

This will be an extensive upgrade to some core functionality on the server. Therefore your server will be down during most of a pre-established, six-hour maintenance window lasting from 9:00 pm to 3:00 am, Pacific time (5:00 am to 11:00 am GMT). The specific window during which this upgrade will occur will start on the evening of either Monday, November 25, Pacific time (early morning Tuesday, November 26, GMT), or Tuesday, November 26, Pacific time (early morning Wednesday, November 27, GMT).

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Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 00:20:51 (UTC)


Tina
I agree with you it could not have been Elias. He was never 'mean' as you say. "We" was hopping to conclusions again!

Angelos Rossous
Andy, send me an email. I have been trying to sent you Xmas greetings but it returns "unroutable address" so maybe you have changed your address?

Johnny
I think the photos must have been taken after the match!

Heather
Thanks for the sad faces, anyway!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 22:23:00 (UTC)


Oh boy! real seat time on a computer. Oh boy! oh boy! oh boy! Mine has been carted off to have the motherboard replaced. I thought my son was a sweet easy going 17 year old until I tried sharing his computer. All I achieved last night since he was "doing something really important" was directing him while he checked my mail. He even answered Johnny back on one of my mails to tell him he liked the joke!!!

You using the royal "we" there Douggie G? Cos none of us can speak for or represents the whole Board - hey? :-). We love you too sunshine. Of course! You are so interesting and present your cases very persuasively and well.

Your flying experience - man, you'd be surprised, I've met a lot of people who are put off learning to fly by their first light plane pilot being insensitive to their requirements for a first trip. You are not the following type but I took a friend up once out of Biggin Hill Civil Field very freaked by a similar experience and gently psyched her into a more comfortable attitude. We flew over Brands Hatch straight and level and I told her we were passing over it and she goes: "Oh I want to see!" So I said: "We'll have to put the plane in a steep turn. Are you OK with that?" "Oh yes, yes." A few more things like that and she had a new attitude. She went on to get her PPL as an extremely cautious and careful pilot.

Now I get white knuckled over skiing.

Hunting? Not for trophies. Non-endangered nyama - yum. We often have half a deer in the freezer. Major over-population of deer here.

I admit happily to a very short fuse on malicious stirring. Ya got me unrepentantly there. Where a note of true meanness has crept in very few truly shrug off the flurries of emails behind the scenes cc various people soothing, threatening, worrying. Makes things gloomier and tenser for many. Got to be a balance between anarchy and totalitarianism. HAVE to say one last thing $50 says NO WAY would this ever have been Elias. He's just funny and uncontrolled and pro freedom. Hope there aren't any takers but if so email me and I'll share your winnings with him. Enough already. Back with something Zambian soon.


Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 21:34:40 (UTC)


Heather

Thanks for the pictures of your gathering in SA. Great to see that my lovely sister and brother-in-law (Linda and Des Burns) are looking fantastic as ever. Love and miss them.
Grant, Heather and Viv are looking great as well. So nice to 'see' you all again.


Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Dorking, United Kingdom
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 21:23:33 (UTC)



Dear Heather it was nice to see the little crowd of you all together and it is the first time I have seen a pic of that lovely lady who is going to tie me up one day ( I Hope)
And You are all a good looking bunch of fillies, but I did not detect a lot of smiles, were the pics taken before or after the game? Love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 17:42:17 (UTC)


Northerners

Some photographs from our little get-together in Jo'burg on Saturday. My apologies for the quality of the photos (I am working on improving my flash-photography).

Grant and Heather Knowles (nee Eldridge)

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Heather Knowles, Vivienne Buitendag (nee Eldridge) and Kathy Barnett

Click for image.

Jill Aplin and Linda Burns (nee Fenwick)

Click for image.

Lynthia Nadauld (nee Eldridge)

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Lynthia, myself and Des Burns

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Des Burns and Grant Knowles

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 14:51:44 (UTC)



I think by your recent message I am supposed to make some comment on christmas bushes, I only hope some one brings me one for xmas I have bought several little trinkets with little hooks on them to hang them on my little bush if I am lucky enough to get one.Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 20:55:06 (UTC)


Yo Ken, old bean,
Sorry for all turkey hunters - they are all either in freezers or stomachs after Thanksgiving.
But the wild turkeys are scrabbling around so there may be some chance for a hunter. And the damn white-tailed deer...... every morning. Nice.
The only living things I shoot are the ubiquitous squirrels. I think they must have propagated like the oz rabbits. But no squirrel stew, just a pellet up the arse and chuck 'em in the bush.
Gloating. Great white hunter, ha.
As for Dawie, our Founder........ Hey man, jislaike, I have probelms switching the thing on You dont expect me to listen to stuff too, eh?
Doug Grewar, my ancient ex-Gilbert Rennie dorm and Muf mining person, nice to se your postings. Ya never know when a Scot will go poetic, but judging from Dougs' stuff, it could be anytime.


William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 16:24:44 (UTC)


Doug the hunnybugger,
Think your insights into the value of wilderness are wonderful. And we are very lucky to have been brought up so close to the natural world, something I appreciated even as a child as we see-sawed from various cities (actually living in army camps) in the UK with going back and forth from Kenya and Zambia. Never felt the urge to go back to live in England somehow!

Jilly

Sorry about all my typos - I am really hung over - had to drown my sorrows after the game!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 14:11:16 (UTC)


DAVE .....

You will have to excuse Bill Knott for having primative means of communications.

Bill, and his lovely wife Yvette, live several miles out side the Canadian Capital of Ottawa, in a bleak snow and wind swept wilderness in the company of several hundred turkeys.

The turkeys are the feathered variety and not individual with limited talents. We have all read about the heroic efforts in saving the animals at kariba during the early 1960's, I am now calling all to unite and save these graceful birds from being sacrificed.The Christmas Season in Canada, is now commonly known as the Holiday Season, and Christmas Trees refered to as Festive Bushes, I am sure our good friend Johnny Green will have another interpretation for festive bushes.

Vegans of the world unite, an expedition led on the sled by our great politically correct Prime Minister Jon Crouton is leaving by dog team at the next full moon to rescue the turkeys. Should there be no sled available, we will all demonstrate on the grounds of Parliament Hill and shout slogans in both our official languages, Anglais and Francais.

I would send a message to Bill by carrier pidgeon, unfortunatley it was shoot recently for dropping a deposit at the wrong address. Hopefully he will be able to read this on the GNR.

Ken Miller

p.s. Bill, would be happy to receive orders for his Christmas Turkeys.

p.p.s. Bill, I will call you in the next few days.

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 14:07:51 (UTC)


This Old Timer's Disease thing is getting me down. Just had an email from Linda Fenwick (Gosh I hope I got that right!) to say that she is married to Des BURNS - not Kenny - apologies to all!

Kitwe Bun (nyhugger)

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 14:04:58 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

It is the chance of the Soutjes to gloat. Because they couldn't when BRAZIL was written all over their bums. The game was a rout, yes.

But this is the weakest Bok team I have ever seen. I think if the Rhodesian coach, Mallet were back and van der Westerhuizen the captain, things might have been different.

Oh, and that little issue of that bliksem Paddy redcarding a Bok, so right away the teams were uneven. Hello!? Who had the advantage there. And I did NOT agree with the bliksem Irishman or whatever he is!

For those in countries which don't play INTERNATIONAL sports, you can always get results, listen to the radio, or even watch TV on your computer... Bill Knott are you listening?

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 09:49:14 (UTC)


Hi Tina

Glad to see you still have a sense of humour. Don't be sore, my barbs are only my silly sense of humour. We still love you. Who couldn't love a lady who flies helicopters. Fantastic! It is something I would have loved to have done. When we got the copper chopper from Mufulira Mine I was supposed to go to a Nevada flying school with Ray Smith and Kevin (Grove?) to train for a commercial pilots licence. Ray took me up for a flip in a small plane from Mufulira airfield. He threw the plane all over the sky and performed all kinds of acrobatics, such as flying straight up, stalling the engine and letting the plane fall backwards, looping the loop, divebombing and pulling out inches above a dambo etc. When I got my feet back on solid ground I decided flying wasn't for me.

Jill and Alix

I agree we should preserve the animals and the wilderness area at all costs. My first years were spent in the concrete jungle and I feel compassion for those who never had the chance to escape. Without access to the wonders of nature humans are not complete. Somehow we have to achieve a balance between this and our other needs such as procreation, survival, entertainment etc. At present humans seem to be polluting the planet beyond its capacity to recover. The day will soon come when we will have to pro-actively control the population numbers to preserve the quality of life. Within each human's soul is a spiritual longing for paradise, for the fabled "Garden of Eden". I was priviledged to catch a small glimpse of this walking in the forests of Zambia, seeing the vast herds of letchwe on the Kafue flats, or high in the mountains of Swaziland and the eastern Transvaal, looking across the roof of the world, as close as a person can get to space while still on earth. We the people of Northern Rhodesia have seen some small portion of the world as Nature has made it not as man has spoiled it. This is the fascination of the old, fast dissappearing Africa.

Cheers - Doug the Hunnybugger




Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 09:46:09 (UTC)


Jilly .
Man introduced rabbits to Australia, and NZ and yes for hunting..sadly I saw something that will stay with me for the rest of my life and it sort of put me off the rabbit for life.......and yes Man is the blame for it.

.....I was staying on a sheep station deep in the south island .we were on a picnic....and the host said " keep still and quiet." next thing he clapped his hands....have you ever seen a hill move ?? well this hill did....literally hundreds of rabbits were there.......it was pretty awful.......and that was over 20 years ago....

I suppose man has a lot to answer for and the Riverine Rabbit is one reason...... I am so sorry.....we learn every day....thanks Jilly....you opened my eyes to something we just take for granted......
Ali


Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 09:24:31 (UTC)


Alix,
But who brought the bunnies to Australia? They are endangered here - the Riverine Rabbit being clost to extinction - due to man's hunting, they are dying where they're supposed to be and thriving where they've been introduced - and why were they introduced to Oz? As food to SHOT!
Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 08:54:27 (UTC)


Doug,
It's not true that conservationists are beiginning to think that sustainable utilisation of wildlife via hunting is a good idea - most SA 'conservationists' have always thought that way. But a few bunny huggers like me are beginning to help them think a little more laterally and imaginatively to use it compassionately as opposed to abusing.
And I agree with you about freedom of expression as far as possible - it also makes the board more interesting when there are differences of opinion, and not some pasteurised comment and reply site.
Northerners
Talking about hunting - anyone for Springbok bilton? He! He!. As Kathy Barnett said on Saturday - it was nice for the poms to win because it's been such a long time that they haven't.

Great meeting Heather and all the Eldridge clan of girls as well as Linda and Des Kenny and seeing Grant again. We really should get together more often. Heather, Kathy's surname (maiden name) is Barnett and her daughter's name is Erica, I wish we could have stayed longer.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 08:50:59 (UTC)


Doug....
I am no bunnyhugger......rabbits have done more damage to land than any other species..except for man......I can see the merits in hunting.....but at the same time conservation of the endangered species in this world is paramount.....it will be a sad day when there are no Cheetahs left on this planet.....
AND...... what Tina was trying to say....we have to be tough with the people who are out to make our fantastic GNR a forum for slanging matches....it needs protection too....and no it was not an Animal thing but a people thing.......some people see things in different ways......what may be hurtful to you. may look like a joke to others.....
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 05:23:37 (UTC)


Tina......
yes The BOKS WILL BE BACK !!......oh and yes the images of those knobbly knees and muscly thighs....the smell of liniment..The game they play in heaven.....meanwhile our Johnny has not mentioned that other game...giggles........

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 02:38:27 (UTC)


Doug Grewar I'm glad you too stated your opinion. Ouch, though, why bother with personal barbs presented as humour. Oh well. Note: I must talk to that bleddy Jerry Springer about leaking the sex change stuff before the show has aired.

Still lovely images come to mind. Knobbly knees on muscly legged Springboks. ...Cold shower time for me AND ...

The BOKS will be BACK!!!!!!

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 22:09:06 (UTC)


Johnny,

Thank you for the new National Anthem. It eased the pain of digesting the result of the rugby match!

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 20:05:25 (UTC)


Dear Jean,
or johnny in pommie..... Many thanks for the score. or whatever that was.... You were right and they obviously did not turn up to play.. maybe it was Bok-Bok and they thought that that would win the game. Bend over.
Shees.
No wonder no broadcast here. I watched Man U beat Newcastle instead. 5-3 for the international team.
Oh well.
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 19:40:25 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS

A good six hours in good company - Lynthia Nadauld, Vivienne Buitendag, Heather and Grant Knowles, Des and Linda Burns, Jill Aplin and Kathy Beatty (who promises me she is going to enter her name and start posting) and Kathy's daughter (whose name I have forgotten already).

At least there are two men who aren't chicken - Grant and Des, well done.

Nice meeting all of you and I'll post the photos when I get back to Lusaka.

And the rugby ... well, what can we say except that I came closest to predicting the final score but only because I was the only one who predicted that the Brits would win.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 18:20:20 (UTC)



To you boys (if any) and girls in Sandton you now have a first class excuse to get inebreated and I hope that you have the magnomosity to admit that Johnny was right in all his projections, that he tried to convince all you poor people that it was a forgone conclusion and that you were flogging a dead horse, but I will not mention it any more if you don't Regards to you all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 16:28:38 (UTC)


Boks 3 England 53. Anyone for tiddly-winks?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 16:16:59 (UTC)



William Knott.

I was sorry to see the GNR declare that the official team to support will be the Boks , I am still a SA citizen but I still have the sense to support a winning side and what now? they are scheduled to play this girls team next week but I hear through the grapvine that they have cancelled the game for ovious reasons, the commentator has just declared that the poms have wiped the floor with our guests SHAME. the final score is 53 to 3 to the poms, Stop licking my shoes your licking the suede the wrong way you Bok supporters regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 16:16:10 (UTC)



William Knott the score at half time is 18 to the poms,
3 to the boks, I made a rash statement to my friends that I would have a scotch for every point the boks scored, I have been forced to cheat other wise I may have died from thirst, regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 15:47:23 (UTC)



Northeners...

For those who like to take a flutter on the boks...

They are +15 even money at William Hill. This means William
will start the score at 15-0 for the boks for betting purposes.

A chance to get rich.....

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 13:18:31 (UTC)


Reading all these entries re the Boks, I have an increasing sense of wanting to scream. Here one sits, with over 200 satellite stations to choose and NONE of them are broadcasting the game.
Will someone please print the result after. Dankie
Maybe its the snow

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:56:58 (UTC)


Dawie,

Great! The Boks are the official GNR team! Hooray!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:43:46 (UTC)


Well at last the big day has arrived. The Boks with their Zambian born Captain (germane)will win the day!

Johnny, you must have been a psychological warfare Major in the Army. You have put up a terrific smokescreen, but today it will all be proved to be in vain. We know the English side is tops so we let the froggies and the Jocks beat us just to catch you off guard. It is part of our 'master plan' as Uncle Ken would have said.

Craig, I guess by Tian you mean Tina. I am somewhat astonished at her umbrage over Rosa and her talk of evicting members. I fully support the management team and thank them for their efforts in creating and maintaining this great site. I support the censorship of blatant insults, racism, porn, character assasination etc. and of course we must avoid endangering the site by copywright infringment.

However we are all mature adults and I don't think we should freak out about a bit of gentle teasing. As a knobbly kneed grandad, I should have been insulted but I took it as a joke. Tina, I am sure hasn't got knobbly knees and she is definately (I hope) not a Granddad, altho after watching the Jerry Springer show I see that anything is possible. It is almost coming to the stage where one would be frightened to post. Maybe my head will be the next on the block.

One of the great things about Northern Rhodesia was the freedom (at least for the whites)as compared to Europe where everything was much more tightly controlled. We could walk to the pool barefoot. We had empty bush all around where we could shoot pigeons with a pellet gun, or even chop down a tree if we wished; we could hitch-hike from Lusaka to the Copperbelt or even to Salisbury for a long weekend. If I had tried to do any of these things in straight laced, blue stockinged, stiff upper lip London I would have probably been sent to reform school. Let us keep the GNR a free place also.

Maybe it is the animal aspect that upset Tina. I think that hunters have done more towards wildlife preservation than all the bunny huggers. The conservationists are begining to hold the view that tourism combined with controlled harvesting of animals, thereby giving an economic reason for the animals existance, is the best way to ensure their continued survival. It is quite astonishing the amount of farmland that is presently being returned to the wild by establishing game reserves on this principle.

Cheers - Doug




Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:38:59 (UTC)


TO THAT WONDERFUL TEAM THE SPRINGBOKS......
GOOD LUCK .........

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:31:35 (UTC)


Doug,

You say "since 1997" as if it was a long, long, time ago. To me, a long time ago is like in the 1950's.

How long ago were the Bokke world champs or Tri-Nations champs? How long ago were the English world champs or Six-Nations champs? Who has the longer dynasty of world championship?

But the point is moot, because I declare the Springbok rugby team THE OFFICIALLY-SUPPORTED RUGBY TEAM OF THE GNR. Fullstop.

May the gods bless the Springboks!

You are not African if you do not support the Springboks!

Fullstop.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:15:27 (UTC)


Johnny,
Because you have choked up the board, I didn't realise that Mufulira Main Bun had joined in the fray.

Go Bokke!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 10:09:03 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

November 23rd, 2002:
  • We've added information about the Rhokana Review CDs that are being produced by Arthur to benefit the Whittemore children. Please see the Whittemore page for details about how you can order and pay for the CD. (You'll need to long into this members-only page with your GNR user ID and password.) CDs are £10, US$16, C$25, or €16, and can be paid for securely with Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover cards in one of those currencies.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 09:31:37 (UTC)


Tian,

Thank-you.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 08:55:32 (UTC)



Jilly are you serious?Gillian must be your buddy Miss Main
avid cat lover from Aberdeen Ex Mufilira, Scarborough, and God only knows where else,Love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 08:15:10 (UTC)


Who is Gillian?

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 07:33:02 (UTC)



Dear Jilly It looks as if I am trying to give you a hard time with regard to your rugby team, but when you open your paper and see this on the front page it must be a little embarassing for you, but it is not me that is composing all these little ditties etc but must be a South African. love Johnny.x
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New national anthem that will be sung simultaneously with England singing
> God Save the Queen.
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> God save our Springbok team
> The Press can be so mean
> God save our team
> Send us some decent Props
> Backed up by two good Locks
> A scrum that feels like rocks
> God save our team
>
> God save our Springbok team
> Bring pride to the gold and green
> God save our team
> Improve our handling skills,
> A game plan without the frills,
> The current scores gives us chills
> God save our team
>
> God save our Springbok team
> Oh please God hear our screams
> God save our team
> We want to see some tries,
> But not for the other guys,
> Our rugby slowly dies,
> God save our Team.
>
> God save our Springbok team
> Reveal now Strauli's dream
> God save our team
> Please grant us line-out ball
> Let the locks please hear the call
> Then we can start a maul
> God save our team.
>
> God save our Springbok team,
> Devise a master scheme
> God save our team
> If we lose now you will note
> A lump sits in our throat
> Oh how the Poms will gloat
> God save our team.
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 07:31:31 (UTC)



Dear Jilly you say you have never drank with a man that could afford to buy you drinks, you must upgrade your drinking companions from those I used to see sitting on the seats in Joburg clutching a bottle of old brown sherry, but if you are going to Sandton today you will see how the other half lives, and a little tip, a double sherry topped up with champagne is the best conversation opener in the world, love to you, and I hope the score is not to embarassing for you. Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 07:12:19 (UTC)



Dear Linda I note you have joined the kiss and tell brigade
you forgot to mention that it was at your insistence that I donned a pair of yours because you said that the night before my hairy legs had chafed yours, but I will forgive you this little indiscretion as I still love you. Johnny.xx

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:49:01 (UTC)



Jilly this very hard to believe, but maybe true!Love Johnnyx.
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Rudolf Streauli has been advertising for vacancies in the team in most of the worlds press in very small print.
> advertisement read as follows:
>
> Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are urgently recruiting for
> the
> following positions:
>
> 1)
> 2)
> 3)
> 4)
> 5)
> 6)
> 7)
> 8)
> 9)
> 10)
> 11)
> 12)
> 13)
> 14)
> 15)
> 16)
> 17)
> 18)
> 19)
> 20)
> 21)
> 22)
>
> Requirements
> No rugby experience is necessary. Applicants need a pair of boots and a
> gum-guard. Full training will be given and a rule book given to each
> successful applicant. Applicants need to make themselves available for
> Saturday 23 November at 14:30.
> Successful applicants.> All successful applicants will need to meet at Twickenham rugby stadium
> (nearest station is Twickenham in London).
>
> Thanking you,
> Rudolph Straeuli
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:35:05 (UTC)


I was in the grocery store tonight with my husband and questioned whether to get a cheaper brand of something. My husband firmly said: "Life's too short not to get exactly what you want when you can."

This may be longwinded (surprise eh?) but here goes. The GNR committee has gone through a lot of hell to create and maintain a fantastic place for people of good will to exchange memories and find and interact with one another. Hating to do it, they found they needed basic censorship and a code of conduct for entrants. It's a bit like creating and policing a game park. You regret the necessity to put up fences but you safeguard what is most important for yourself and likeminded people against poachers and the lawless as gently and fairly as is possible in an imperfect world of diverse opinions. This decision is made so that your chosen ecosystem thrives.

The GNR ecosystem gets hammered everytime "professional stirrers" still refuse to police themselves after having been given a very fair chance. If they still don't value this site and the members enough not to bait them and endanger our site why don't we just evict them and get on with enjoying the ones who truly want to be here.

By the way it's always warming to see the same dear names coming to the support of reason and eachother. Rosa any private emails to me will be deleted unread. Life is too short.

Love to all.

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:21:35 (UTC)



Another late news flash.

South Africa are so bad that the rules have to be changed to give them a
> chance this weekend
>
> 1. A Springbok team is deemed to have scored when the ball has been passed
> twice without being dropped;
>
> 2. If a Springbok player reaches the opposition 25 yard line - without
> having dropped the ball, falling over his own feet or running into one of
> his own players then - a try will be allowed under the posts. (Martin
> Johnson is not too happy about this but has agreed to a compromise in that
> the conversion will have to be taken from the touchline);
>
> 3. As the Springboks fear physical contact, agreement has been reached
> that
> should a Springbok backline player tap one of the opposition players on
> the
> shoulder, that player will be considered as having been tackled and will
> immediately have to release the ball;
>
> 4. A penalty will be awarded should a Bok player be tackled in such a
> manner
> that either his hair is disturbed, he cries out in pain, his arms are
> pinned
> - thus preventing him from breaking his fall and causing one of the above,
> he cannot see the TV cameras or his clothing is dirtied;
>
> 5. Should an opposing player glare at or make derogatory remarks to a
> Springbok player, last-mentioned may report him to the match-referee.
> (George Gregan objected and the IRB has agreed to include a clause that
> states "...from a distance closer than 5 metres"). 6. Spectators are not
> allowed to display unsavoury banners that in any way emotionally upset the
> Springboks. Those found guilty hereof will be forcibly removed from the
> ground. Similarly, spectators found guilty of booing, hissing, talking,
> laughing or moving whilst a Springbok is preparing a kick at the posts,
> will
> be banned for life from attending matches that involve any Springbok rugby
> team;
>
> 7. The media will publish only information approved by the Springbok
> management. The Aussies disagreed and have, therefore, been allowed to
> send
> a representative to the editing sessions;
>
> 8. The terrifying and intimidatory All Blacks haka has been banned from
> matches involving any Springbok rugby team;
>
> 9. Should the scores be level at fulltime, and in the unlikely event of
> the
> Springboks finding themselves in the opposition half of the field, then
> the
> Springboks may choose between either a kick at the posts or an uncontested
> scrum in their favour; and
>
> 10. No Springbok put-in at either a line-out or a scrum may be contested
> by
> the opposition
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:17:42 (UTC)


For anyone who is interested in knowing, Johnny looks fabulous in silk stockings. Oops sorry Johnny. I promised I would not share our secrets. he! he!

Up the Boks!

Speedy Morris
If you see this, did you have any luck with that assignment in Durban I gave you?



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 00:05:18 (UTC)



Gillian lets get the facts right at no time did I offer to buy you no hopers any booze,there was never any fear of that anyway, but just in case a lighning bolt strikes my souties and the match is awarded to the boks the record is set straight, other wise some of your alcholic friends will be sending me there bar bills for the next six months including you, love to you Johnny.xx

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 21:30:01 (UTC)


Heather C,
When you said to me that we'd probably meet in Sandton Square - I did a double take - maybe these Zambians know more than me!
JOHNNY
I have never met a man yet who can afford to buy me drinks, I will try not to take that as an insult - as the Poms think that a sherry is an excitingly intoxicating beverage...Lord help us! Enjoy your warm weak beers tomorrow.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 21:19:51 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS IN THE GAUTENG AREA

This place is the absolute pits!! Only one pub have I been able to find that meets the criteria and it is one of those franchise joints. Yukkk! But we have no choice.

Lynthia, Vivienne, Heather, Jill, Linda and anyone else who cares to join us - the venue is McGintys at the Holiday Inn Garden Court on the corner of Maude and West Streets in Sandton. I will make sure I am there by 2.30 pm. And the big question is are we going to see any of the men or are they all too chicken??? I reckon they're all too chicken!!

that Chalcraft woman
in Jo'burg, Seth Efrica

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 19:18:05 (UTC)


The tour of torture. Is Saturday going to be a Boklash or another Bokkerup. South Africa has not beaten England at Twickenham since 1997.

However we have a secret weapon, namely Fat Piet from
Potchestroom the referee knobbler. We have enlisted the help of Mukuka Nkoloso of Zambian Space Academy fame. He will put Piet into a 44 gallon drum and launch him from Voortrekkerhoogte to Twickenham.

So referee , basop.

Linda
I am not in contact with Judy or her Dog Lottie. I just enjoy excentric people even if I disagree with them.

Cheers Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 18:49:28 (UTC)


Mr Green
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Whatever are we going to do with you. UP THE BOKS!!!! Hope you are about ready to eat humble pie and it will be your shout - could turn out a very expensive round of drinks, Bwana, with approx 500 people involved.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 18:32:26 (UTC)


FiFi
----
I think Rosa is the thwarted ex-wife of "Rio". Auchtermuchty, good place to choose, home of The Proclaimers! Those poor lads walked five hundred miles, stopped on route for a bevvy and then walked five hundred more just to get away from the place or maybe "her".

Nylon stockings, old men, khaki and sedation - whatever flicks your switch, man.

Rich
----
The newspaper clippings to the students were surplus to requirements, the simplest way to prove your point would have been to write a paragraph on the blackboard. Mind you, love the word accusser, am going to adopt it.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 18:20:01 (UTC)



Jilly the oringinal list of names that Heather put out were all girls you have oviously roped in some poor unsupecting males to watch the cartoon with you, and I suppose buy your booze, but they can also cry in there beer when those Souties have have completed the humiliation of those poor hairy backs, who I feel genuinely sorry for, but for a consolation for them and you, you can take along a few silk stockings and practice some of the knots you are going to try out on me at Livingstone. love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 14:33:39 (UTC)


Johnny - I don't think Grant Knowles and some of his mates are going to take too kindly to being called "Sandton Girls"!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 11:46:37 (UTC)


Barry ET AL,

What a relief to be back in civilisation again! I took the plane from East Midland's Airport to Schiphol for the weekend to sign forms at the Stadhuis and for a rather important rendezvous at Noordwijk. Leaving England was a nightmare. Although only 6 miles from my cottage in Duffield, the airport required driving in bumper-to-bumper angry traffic on miles of motorway. I naturally got lost because of the stupidly poor signage. The relief to see none of that in Nederland and to step into streets filled with people walking, riding bikes and taking trams made me realise what a car-culture England is. But that is understood since it is desperately trying to copy America in every way!

Anyway, I will be here HOME at the weekend. I am not receiving email since it won't work, and although I have a SIX THOUSAND EURO computer in my home in England, there is no way I could connect to the Internet with it. That technology has not yet arrived in my little corner of England! So if you want to get a hold of me by email, wait a few more years.

Thanks, Barry for posting that information about the Pathé newsreels! What a wonderful find. Thanks for adding something constructive to the message board this morning. I just wish I had a personal, home PC connexion to the Internet to get at this stuff! Wow! This is one of the great achievements in our search for reconnection to our days in Africa. I can remember those newsreels with fondnesss.

I remember seeing a general sort of newsreel by Pathé which reported on the lifestyle of pre-independence Zambia. There were superb shots of families in their gardens in mine houses in Nkana. If you could only find that one! I never thought in those days to capture those simple things on film!

Well time to check out of this Internet café and loll about in the Koffiehuis de Hoek along the Prinsengracht canal reading my Volkskrant and smoking my tabacky... ahhhh Amsterdam in autumn!

Mooi blij, en geniet die naweek!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 09:50:40 (UTC)


Apologies to all for using the message board for NinerNet support again.

Dave,

mail.claudius.com still works, but you can try www.niner.net/postoffice as well.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 09:40:47 (UTC)


Pathé Newsreel Film Archives

I've just discovered that British Pathé have an online library of many of their newsreels. Low resolution previews are available for free.
Check out Pathé Newsreel Archive and search under "Kitwe", "Kariba", etc.
The site does have some problems and you may have to persevere, but I just suceeded in downloading a Kariba newsreel.


Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:36:05 (UTC)



Another news flash.

EDINBURGH (AP) --
Springbok rugby practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a playerreported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field.
Head coach Strauli immediately suspended practice while police and federalinvestigators were called to investigate.
After a complete analysis, Scotland Yard forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the try line. Practicewas resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again. (SAPA)
______________________________________________
>

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:26:37 (UTC)



Any one want to bet I say it is not Elias< I have deducted that who ever it is male or female is very close to my age group and is very well versed in NR history, and surely our Craig can trace the origin of the Em address? to narrow down the field.
Johnny.

Jill and the Sandton girls dont forget the match is broad cast on the M net cartoon channel. Love to you all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:13:51 (UTC)


"Rich"
One last thing I forgot to say was that the reference to Heather's email was the giveaway, and you know why...

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 01:56:42 (UTC)


Douggie
I figured out that Rose and Rich are the same person too. I have had dealings with Rich a long time ago, and he could not spell his own name correctly in the email. That is how I tripped him up as an imposter. Who he is, though, is the 64 million dollar question. I still think it is my buddy Elias, but he won't admit it to any of us.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 01:49:02 (UTC)


Rose Tinto ( meaning to "poke fun at those who look at colonial life through rose tinted spectacles") is certainly not Elias - for ye of little faith . Shows the silliness of the PC generation when someone with a real tale to tell of Zambian life is compelled to leave ; while a nasty piece of work trashes Operation Noah , Chalcraft , Garlick and Alix with no retribution.

The log shows that both "Rosa Tinto " and "Rich Njovu" write from 65.19.131.218 so there's your answer. Ignore the fools ,

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 01:31:21 (UTC)


Heather

Good job I can’t get to meet Viv, Heather and Lynthia this Saturday. You’d probably have to tie me up with nylons and sedate me beforehand.

But there is always Zambia 2003.

Take your camera along please.


Rich

Moi? Posting furious messages - since when? Naaah.

Please send me the links I want to see proof.


Linda, Jill, Fiona et al

It can’t possibly be Elias - the spelling is too perfect and it ain’t written in blood.

With a long Fire Service strike looming in the UK I wonder who would be oohing if they were ignored by glamour seeking young rescuers, wearing their national dress and mandatory fire helmets, just "because they were dumb enough to catch their house on fire, were already on their last legs and too old to climb out the window"?

George Has ebagum Scottish?


Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 00:23:12 (UTC)


Linda, Fiona,Jilly and Doug...
I have the same suspicions....I have sent private emails to both Rich and Rosa, both have not replied to me....
interesting ....I don't think we have to look too far....at least I don't wear rose tinted glasses....and I am certainly not rich !!!! giggles........
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 00:03:27 (UTC)


Rich Njovu

Please contact me privately by email. I have some questions for you that will take up more space than is allowed by contact through the GNR method. Thank you.



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 23:36:25 (UTC)


Black or White Humour? (Who decides?)
On a recent university lecture tour, I was speaking to Black students who were doing a study of comparisons of national senses of humour. Many students had copies of local newspaper reports mainly of court cases involving marriage, divorce, adultery, theft etc which the accusser or victim is showed as a foolish person, and would be laughed at and jeered. This side of the scale was to show that Blacks can laugh at themselves
To help wiegh the scale they had a scathing copy email from your Heather Chalcraft expelling someone from this board for poking fun at Zambian people for the same reason. Another furious message which certainly was copied from this board, written by Arthur Steevens, was shown.
Apparently copies of these can be found at many universities, colleges and even on Notice Boards at our HighCommissioins and Embassys, together with links where they can be found on the internet.
A good cause for global laughter.
Rich


Rich NjovuClick here to contact me
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 23:13:51 (UTC)


Hi Chisanga
Thanks for your message. I am sure you are correct. My ex boss sent it to me in an envelope as he knows I come from Zambia. The man he shares an office with is an attorney and it was he who received the email. Nothing to do with the GNR whatsoever, but just thought I would mention it. His return email is chotachilubaptc@rediffmail.com so it could be from anywhere!

Jill and Fiona
I had my own suspicions that Rosa may be Elias. I asked him in an email last night, but he has not responded. Do you suppose we are correct?

Doug Grewar
Are you in contact with Judy Drew? If so, please pass my regards to her.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 23:11:54 (UTC)


Auchtermuchty,

meaning - the field of the Pigs.

Certainly an appropriate sty for Rosa, non?

JP

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:52:27 (UTC)


Auchtermuchty

Now that is an interesting place, a few years ago there was a story doing the rounds that during the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Edinburgh, Mugabe nipped out and bought himself a farm in 'muchty. Somehow, I think that Rosa seems to be way too sentimental to be the Robber but hey who knows who reads these pages?

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:42:17 (UTC)


Johnny,

Why so quiet? Beginning to get a bit nervous? We have sent over over a ton of steroid flavoured boerewors for the boks and I hear that they are looking good for Saturday. I also heard a rumour that the English Rosas -er - I mean Roses are not smelling so sweet - too much warm lager.

Fiona - New Clue - look for an Italian Connection.

Heather, Heather and Viv - will see you Saturday - to cheer on the team!

JP (Fiona, the 'P' stands for pasta)

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:23:55 (UTC)


Linda,

The scam letter you refer to is unlikely to have come out of Zambia. As you know, this type of scam was invented and perfected by Nigerian crime syndicates.

Any Zambian would have known that Chiluba did not have an assistant called Chota. They would also have known the difference between Chota and Chola.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:14:13 (UTC)


By the way Dog Lottie can also have Kisimus, if he lifts the fatwa that he has issued for my assassination. I wonder what the reward will be? A dog biscuit? RSVP Judy!

Do you need any more askaris to help you and Dog Lottie defend the island? The DC from Chinsali is on standby with reinforcements.

I will also ask his Majesty, the King of Swaziland (if he came spare time from charming his 10th wife) to send you some Swazi Warriors also. Buti we got some problemz. We have 2 ships in the Swazi Navy but at present they are both lost. Maybe they could be shipping Maganu (marula) to Perth for Alix.

Happy Kisimus Almal - Doug



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 20:53:23 (UTC)


Fiona
Great minds think alike! My guess is that Roza Tinto is Elias in drag. However as a knobbly kneed grandfather in my regulation khaki shorts and long socks I must welcome heshe to the GNR. As Operation Noah was underway the Southern Rhodesia government was paying professional hunter to slaughter herds of Zebra and Wildebeeste etc. on the south bank, to reduce the tsetse fly infestation I think. I believe they were paying a bounty for each tail. So in a way my knobbly kneed comrades efforts on the north bank were a bit futile.

We had the first proper rain of the season last night, 38mm or 1.5 inches. There was a terrific hailstorm which blacked out the whole town for the evening so I missed Johnny's abusive tirade, grrrr. :-)Roll on Saturday.

Once again the vile commercial celebration of Xmas is upon us. When I become President I am going to ban it. Only card carrying Christians who have 52 church attendance stamps on their Situpa will be allowed to have Xmas. Hands up all those who qualify! I mean you three, the pair of you. Aziko 52 stamps aziko kisimus for you. This does not apply to children who will all get a double Xmas, only to knobbly knee....

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 20:38:43 (UTC)


I think Rosa Tinto means Red Herring in ancient Spanish or something, but let's not waste our time on such an apparently mean-spirited individual.
Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 20:04:44 (UTC)


Anyone want to play a little game? It's called "Let's guess the real identity of Rosa Tinto". Details of Rosa are pretty thin in the names directory. Perhaps he/she might like so shed a little more light on themselves?

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 19:23:37 (UTC)


No Linda, not from Zambia but from a BANK MANAGER in Tonga! I am absolutely sure it didn't come from the GNR though.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 15:56:36 (UTC)


It was only a matter of time...

I have received a xerox copy of one of the scam emails that has been sent to an attorney specializing in international law here in Austin. It is from none other than Chota Chiluba, purportedly the cousin and personal assistant to Frederick Chiluba, former President of Zambia. It is quite interesting, in that it contains some history of the demise of Mr. Chiluba, and how Mr. Nwananawasa came to power. Fortunately, although Mr. Chiluba was stripped of immunity and faces prosecution and seizure of his assets, Chota "his trusted personal assistant" somehow smuggled 30 Million American dollars out of Zambia which were deposited with "an organization in abroad". All they need is a way to get it away from that organization. Quite easy really... just need your account number. Ha! Ha! This is the first time I have seen one coming out of Zambia. Has anyone else seen them from Zambia yet?



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 13:22:33 (UTC)


Hi Ian Coetzee

Thank you for your post re a beer. It will be great to catch up if we can.

I will be down in St. Francis Bay from the 7th to the 19th Dec. How far is J Bay from St. Francis?

I tried the direct contact route but it didn't work!

Cheers
John

Email me direct: nortonjack21@hotmail.com


John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 13:02:58 (UTC)


Rosa,

What are your wildlife qualifications to make all those statements?

Johnny - don't you worry - I have some VERY interesting bondage ideas - especially for you - at the Livingstone Lark!

Heather - let us know where you're going to meet. I'd love to meet you and I think Viv has a CD for me? It might be better for me to get away from my husband on Saturday - seeing as I am English born (but not bred - my Mom's Afrikaans)....these Zimbabweans can get touchy at times!

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 10:35:42 (UTC)


BWANA GRINS......
AHEM .......how is it that your'e still smiling .....it's not only rugby that is at stake....there is the little matter of the other game that is being fought downunder.....hehehe....and we all know what is happening there.....ashes to ashes.......oh dear me.......
and no I am not taking sides ....I back the Proteas !!!
carn the BOKS !!!!

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 10:03:46 (UTC)



Dear Heather you forgot to tell the girls that they better wear black, and bring plenty of tissues, Love and commiserations to you all for Saterday, Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 09:53:07 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS IN THE GAUTENG AREA

This Saturday, at 2.30 pm, Lynthia Nadauld, Vivienne Buitendag, Heather Knowles and myself will be meeting up in Sandton. Would anybody else like to join us?

We do realise that there is a very important rugby match that will be taking place on Saturday afternoon so hope that some of you will be able to drag yourselves away from your very comfortable couches at home and come and join us.

We will find a pub that has a television set and what better way is there to watch a rugby match where one team is captained by a Zambian than with another bunch of Zambians. And with any luck, Austin Healey will not spend the whole of Saturday on the benches, which will make the game even more exciting for us.

We have not yet agreed exactly where we will be meeting, but I will decide this when I get to Jo'burg tomorrow afternoon. It will probably be one of the pubs in Sandton Square and I will post a message on the board either late on Friday or early on Saturday. I will be staying at the Michelangelo and will also leave a message there to say where we have gone.

With any luck, I will also get Cookie and Teresa Brassington to join us, as they are currently in Johannesburg.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 05:45:26 (UTC)


Can YOU spell "Code of Conduct"

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 04:14:28 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft OOOH!

OOOH! AAHH! My dear, what an Orgasmic, tear jerking tale about overgrown schoolboys escaping reality and spending their time fishing and smoking and pestering wild animals that would swim to the mainland anyway. I love tales like that.
Are we allowed to swap fairy tales on this message board? I could maybe scan some "Biggles" or "Noddy" chapters. No disrespect to old man Edelman, but he should have stuck to hiring out fridges and T.V.s, he was more successful at that.
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Gordon Garlic PHWOOOO!
Is that your real name? You want my email address to "take me apart" why? You dont need it big man, just click on the contact button. Anyway what are you up in arms for? From reading the archives you have done your share of fishing and poaching. Given half a chance, you would have turned most of the "RESCUED" game at Kariba into biltong and boerewors.
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Alix in Wonderland
Did you know Alix, that animals unlike humans dont have a fixed abode and a mortgage. They will follow food and escape danger. Those dumb enough to be caught at Kariba were probably on their last legs or were too old to migrate to higher land. Dont imagine the Zambezi valley to be paradise. It is an arid, tsetse fly infested inferno, with a few fertile patches overcrowded with the 6 toed Tonga tribes. Every year the Tonga would migrate from their fishing villages to higher ground to escape floods as did the wild life.
Have a Good Day
Rosa

Rosa TintoClick here to contact me
Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 23:03:29 (UTC)



Every thing very quiet on the western front are you all praying? Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 20:59:04 (UTC)


Gil Wilson

You are right, we never played at the same time. I captained BHMRFC in 69 before I broke my back in the accident in May 70, I guess around the time you arrived in Kabwe.

I still contact Dave Tweedy from time to time and saw John & Sylvia Dare and Mike and Anne Lewis last year. There used to be a get together for Rugby internationals in Edinburgh; Ken Barclay had a good source for tickets but these have not happened for quite a few years.

It was Ralph Bates you refer to; he had the Fools Nook Inn near Macclesfield with his wife Madge. He died a good few years ago and Madge now lives in Liverpool I think.

A Lusaka UT Hospital experience for general GNR consumption:

When I was in the Lusaka UTH recovering from my injuries I was in a small ward with 4 beds. One day a South African "Spy" was admitted from Jail with a "broken" leg and put in the bed opposite me. A Zambian policeman was stationed at the bottom of the bed. At visiting time 4 "Afrikanner heavies" arrived, gave our policeman a fag and sent him away "so they could talk in private". 2 of the guys went to examine the varandah area - obviously casing the joint for the escape.

That night I was determined to stay awake ... but failed. When I did awake I looked over and was surprised to see our Spy was still there and the guard was fast asleep in his chair. As the hospital awoke so did the guard who streched then went to the boys room. When he returned he obviously became suspicious and discovered the old "row of pillows" trick had been done on him. He was convinced (or tried to pretend) the guy had just gone when he was at the loo. Later I heard reports of an unidentified light aircraft leaving Lusaka airport in the wee small hours of the morning.

I was interviewed later by the equivalent of special branch .. but the bird had flown. I wonder who he was ?

Jack WardellClick here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 18:17:25 (UTC)


Jack Wardell

I don't think we actually played rugby together, although I do remember you. Did you not injure yourself in an accident in the mine ? Do you know what happened to Paul Ward & his wife Carrol or anyone else who played rugby at that time ? My wife, Pat was very friendly with Carrol but we've lost touch.

I met Frank Tweedle several years after I came back from Zambia. I was playing in a rugby match on the Wirral when I recognised him playing for the opposition. As a result we went to a mini reunion at a pub in Leek that had been bought by a guy called Frank Bates who had been an electrician in the mine. Dave Tweedy was also there. Unfortunately Frank Bates is now dead.

We are going to try to go back next year for the reunion in Livingstone & hopefully get an opportunity to see Kabwe again.

Heather

I noticed when I was reading the archived messages that you mentioned having a photograph of the mine rugby club in Kabwe. Any chance of sending me a copy if you still have it. I spent many an enjoyable day there both playing & socialising. My wife actually helped build it.

Regards,

Gil

Gilbert WilsonClick here to contact me
Loughborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 17:45:03 (UTC)


Heather.....
THANKS........true heroes of their time.....

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 16:33:25 (UTC)


Rosa Tinto

I think that Heather’s quote from the book says it all.

Should Kariba have been built and should the people and animals have been put at such risk I think is a different debate altogether, the question as to should the effort have been put in to assist those animals that were forced from their habitat by the rising waters, the answer is unquestionably YES.

I can not see how any sane person could stand back and let the animals, that could not understand what was happening to them, fend for themselves. I am certain that if a similar manmade project was built today and created such disruption there would be an unbelievable number of people would be willing to offer their assistance.

When Kariba was constructed game conservation was not as big an issue as it is today yet these men went out to save as many lives as they could.

Far from condemnation I think that the men involved in Operation Noah deserve thanks and commendation for the work that they did.


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 16:08:02 (UTC)


Sorry, will try again

Robert Earnshaw

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 15:37:00 (UTC)


Northerners
Another Zambian-born sportsman, hbut soccer this time

Robert Earnshaw

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 15:32:00 (UTC)


OPERATION NOAH
I quote from the book Operation Noah:

... And here we were ripping through the water in Taed's launch with a great rolling double V-shaped wave behind us churned up by the twin engines, and Geoff Mulligan and Tom Philp following us hard as they could go in the Barge.

Taed and I chatted and smoked as we roared along on a twenty-five-mile journey to a part of the lake which was outside Taed's area and was in fact being worked by another game officer. The reason for the trip was that an island in this area was reputed to be the last sanctuary of some hundred head of game including a herd of magnificent kudu.

Just as we came within sight of the island (about an hour later) one of our propellers was fouled by some water weed, and while we stopped to fix it the Barge came up and Geoff and Tom Philp passed us with derisory gestures and what from the shape of their lips were no doubt full-blown raspberries.

We saw the Barge disappear into the fringe of churned trees which always marks a disappearing island.

Taed started the engines again and we followed through the wash of the launch in front, swirling by tree-tops and into a lovely lagoon ringed with trees and bush and patched with what seemed to be magnificent lawns, the like of which Wimbledon can never hope to be. For this was not grass but the floating cabbage weed in acre-sized clumps. My mind likes shapes to be orderly, and without properly realizing at first what was the matter I vaguely felt something was upsetting me. Then I realised I was being irritated by large lumps of something irregularly dispersed in the floating lawns and in some cases on the open water.

I heard Taed suck in his breath.

He stopped the engines and we drifted. His bronzed face was set and hard and his fingers gripping the wheel were white.

I then saw Tom Philp and Geoff standing mutely a hundred yards away in the bows of their boat. Puzzled, I was about to ask Taed the reason for his anger and why this hush had fallen on the party.

There was still enough way on the launch to carry us into a patch of cabbage weed towards one of the turn-mocks, and with a feeling of sickness I suddenly realised (with the help of the stench) that these swollen bulks were the bloated bodies of drowned animals. This blownup monstrosity was the shameful remains of a once beautiful kudu bull . . . a flayed, ashen corpse crawling above water with maggots and flies.
In every direction these pathetic victims floated and gyrated singly, in pairs, in groups in a grisly dance of death. My whole spirit revolted in a flash and I knew from that instant that my approach to Operation Noah could never again be academic, coldly calculating, reasonable: I could only regard this work of rescue emotionally. I was quite stunned by the sight and sickened by the smell of rotting flesh under the sun. The odour of that putrefaction would never leave my nostrils.

Geoff Mulligan was going through an agony. Tom Philp was cursing and gripping his fists impatiently. What could he do? What could any of us do?

A tiny steinbuck, upturned in the water, waved its thin legs in grotesque farewell as we drifted by and our wash rolled it impotently over.
I saw its eyes were gone.

... The dead were dead and nothing anyone could do would bring back a spark of life. But were there any animals yet alive on the tufts of island still above water?

Taed, who doesn't waste a second, organised a sweep at such speed that I was quite bewildered as to where I was to go, stay or do. Tom Philp said one thing, Geoff another, so, grabbing a camera, I followed where I thought best. The main part of the island was covered knee deep in water, with a foot of mud below and as many holes as a cullender. Naturally it was riddled with hidden thorn scrub and sunken trees. I wasn't much help, but I wanted to carry a record on film so that people at home could see what was happening. After five minutes I struggled, wet through and mud to the eyes, to a little plot of ground not more than ten feet across and a foot above water level. A stump of tree gave me a convenient seat. Nearby, outlined against the sky perched as they were on a baobab tree, waited seven or eight scavenging marabou storks. I gave up my stump to the camera and began retracing my splashy steps to the launch to pick up a telephoto lens and tripod. In the distance I could hear Taed and his helpers yelling and shouting as they drove what might be left alive on the island. It was then, halfway to the boat, that I missed what would have been the finest shots of the expedition. For belting through the water towards me and splashing past me on both sides not a yard away came duiker, bushbuck and impala. It happened so quickly that I could only remember counting fourteen head as I howled, whistled, hooted and kicked up water in a vain effort to turn them back into their pursuer's arms. One last frantic effort on my part was a head-on rugby tackle of an impala which slammed its head into my belly and flung me head over heels.

I struggled to my feet and shouted what I'd seen to Taed, who called his boys to work round into deep water and head off the buck from almost certain self-destruction. It was a wild chase, but in the end we captured and placed in the boats these weak remnants of a once magnificent herd.

To make sure no live beast was left, the island was swept twice more and all the rescued animals were ferried towards the nearest mainland and released.

It was dusk before we had finished. As we left the stench-hung spot and looked back at the floating lumps Taed muttered to himself, "Too bloody little, too bloody late."
Ends Quote

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 14:33:53 (UTC)


Always a Bok.......For those that hesitate to think how dangerous a wounded Bok is....return to World Cup 1999 where the English had already moved their baggage to their new hotel in readiness for an England Australia semi final.
We all know what happened next and the record hiding the Pohms suffered but then we had Nick with a plan. Now we have Rudolf and Heaven knows what? We have effectively killed Springbok rugby by taking away the Mallett. Go UCT.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 10:54:25 (UTC)



Dear Jilly I did not realise you are into Bondage I love being tied up so next time you are over pop in and see me or better still think up something special for Livingstone
love Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 08:41:47 (UTC)



Doug and Jilly'
More bad news this morning the following was broadcast at 6am today on springbok radio, shame.

SARFU has announced this morning that Castle Lager has
withdrawn their sponsorship of the Springbok rugby team
They will in future be sponsored by Tampax
To get then through this difficult period.
Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 07:26:13 (UTC)


Rosa,
As far as I know none of the animals were sedated.

Johnny - if you're not careful, China I am going to round up those knobbly kneed old men to come tie you and your team up with nylons!

Jill

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South Africa
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 07:17:18 (UTC)


ROSA pinto bean,
Please e-mail me privately so I can enjoy taking you apart a little piece at a time. If it were not for the PC cr3p on this site I would be tempted to do it now.
cheers Gordon Knoffle.


Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 01:55:52 (UTC)



Dear Jilly Im sorry to hear that your family are all hooked on rugby as it is a dying sport now in SA I heard that that the manager is going to change to tiddly winks next season, and today I heard on the news here that an all girls team has challenged them to a game next week, so when they go home they may be able to say we won one, maybe.
Love nasty Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 23:53:10 (UTC)



Alix you say the Boks would all be welcome at your place you would not have much to worry about feeding them just some jelly and custard for there teasy weasy, and I dont think you would have to worry about any amorous adventurers.
Love Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 23:41:31 (UTC)


Rosa
Sorry Rosa, but some of us have looked upon "Operation Noah" as one of the most wonderful animal rescues of all time....I as a child read about this and thought those guys who did the rescuing as my heros..and hey 40 odd years later I STILL DO !!!.....there is a problem in this world, too many people thinking our wildlife are just that wildlife,......we are losing species every day....to extinction.......what these guys did was incredible to say the least.....they gave those creatures a CHANCE.... who cares if they had been able to swim....can you imagine losing your home, habitat to rising waters, you would lose all sense of direction etc.......a bit like the continuing deforrestation and overdevelopement of our precious planet....we do have to worry about our creatures great and small........
I just hope you were jesting in your comments !!

JILLY
NO MATTER WHERE THE BOKS ROAM THEY WILL ALLWAYS BE WELCOME IN MY HOME !!!

PHOTOS......

Another great show of photos....yayayay...and TOP MARKS HEATHER FOR THE "OPERATION NOAH" ARTICLE !!!!!

ALI



Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 23:05:43 (UTC)


Operation Noah?

What are all the old grandads oohing about Operation Noah? Most of the "rescued" animals would have swum to safety anyway, without being snared by glamour seeking knobbly-kneed men, wearing their national dress of short khaki shorts and long khaki socks, plus mandatory "veldskoene".

They should have been tied up with nylon stockings themselves and shot with their sedating darts to calm them down.
Rosa

Rosa TintoClick here to contact me
Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 22:22:57 (UTC)


Johnny,
I never knew you were so mean and nasty! Okay, so our spirits are pretty low here right now - in my household sport is supreme - but rugby is divine - my hubby and both sons being competitive players.

Dave - we will be supporting - but I just can't handle the thought of the English beating the Springboks - again! (I actually blub my eyes out when it happens!!)

BTW - Today I spent the day in Kromdraai in the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage Site. Went for lunch at the rhino and lion park - and met a special little creature - (Antidorcas marsupialis) - a springbok ewe at the Crocodile Pub. She seemed quite content, and when I asked her how we'd do in the rugby, she tossed her fine little horns as if to say - "Don't Fret, Chill, Jill!" He! He!

Also played with some four week old African Wild Dog puppies (Lycaeon pictus) ((painted wolves)), so adorable - for now - and also cuddled a beautiful white lion cub of 11 months old called Cleo - she is just so regal and special.

I always support the boks - and will do so on Saturday - despite Johnny's haranguing! But I am very nervous as I take this rugby thing sooo seriously - funny that, as I've never played it!?

My Horrible Husband teases me and says it's 'cos we've got a Zambian captain that we are losing! Although people here call him "Captain Couragous". I think that Rudolf Strauli and the boys are just trying to hoodwink the Northern Hemisphere ahead of the World Cup - that's my theory and I'm sticking to it!

Go Bokke!! Ama Bokke Bokke!

PS - We drew one all in the Mandela Cup tonight against Soccer World Cup African Champions Senegal - but we nearly beat them in the final moments - go Bafana Banfana!!!

Jill

PS I will crawl back into my cage for a while!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 21:51:32 (UTC)


Doug Gifford
That abebooks site is excellent. I have logged on and searched for Jungle Pathfinder, the Biography of Chirupula Stephenson and picked up 5 listings. This is after battling on Amazon & Kalahari.

Jill
The Comedyclub site is great.

Thank you both.

Doug

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Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 20:46:53 (UTC)


Thanks Dave,

Johnny was really rubbing it in. Cartoon channel indeed! Roll on Saturday.

Altho many a true word is said in jest. I believe the Canadians have reclassified wrestling from a sport to an entertainment.

Cheers - Doug in 32c Vryheid

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 20:13:30 (UTC)


Jack Wardell:

Many thanks for posting (with Heather's help)the pic of my Dad. I have some other shots (from the same occasion) that I will try and scan and post in the near furure.

Rich Moskwa



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Connecticut, United States
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 16:49:57 (UTC)


A F R I C A N S! (the others can skip this)

It boils down to this: you are WITH US or you are AGAINST US.

All Africa for the Springboks!

Bokke!

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 10:44:47 (UTC)


Northerners

Some photographs from Jack Wardell:




Heather

Thanks for the offer of posting the Moskwa photo. I have taken the liberty of attaching a couple of others I tried to post at the same time. Feel free to post them or not as you see fit.

Broken Hill in the early seventies.

Kabwe Golf Club & Richard Moskwa: A few photos showing:

Prize giving at 1972 club championships with TAD Moskwa presiding. Also shown are left to right, Chris Botha, Emmy Sampter, Jack Wardell, Dave Tweedy and Nancy Strachan. Mrs Moskwa is hidden.

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Ladies night out circa 73/74.

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Gill Wilson. Good to hear from you and see the BHMRFC photo. Shame its a bit blurred but at least I know all the names. A few others could be: Bob Burrell, Eddie Wilson, Alan Sweet. Here is another showing Paul Ward kicking for goal; it could even be me looking on from behind!

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SA Oranje September '67

A shot on the journey out as a new hire to ZBHD 1967.

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Me in lane 6, winning money for the guy with his hands in the air. Just met him on the trip - He was a mine captain at Nkana in the process of importing a Ford Mustang, enjoyed a flutter or two and I met him once at the Kitwe races. Ring any bells for anyone.

Regards

Jack Wardell




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 10:08:29 (UTC)



Doug I was tuned in on the radio this morning when a news flash came on it said go to www Sa broadcasting@jb.com,

this is what came up can it be true?

Due to the poor performance of the Springboks - the SuperSport
Directors have decided that this Saturday's match between England
And SA will be
Screened
On the Cartoon Network and KTV channels and not on S/S1 as
Originally planned.

Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 06:56:26 (UTC)


Bill,

I don't think Cy has passed away, may be wrong, but he was still performing in April at the comedy club. Go to www.comedyclub.co.za to see a photo of him.

Jill

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South Africa
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 05:26:25 (UTC)



Bill I have been racking what few brains I have left trying to Identify where I new the name Cy Sacks from of course it was the San Tropez, and I think the last time I saw him was in the Red Fox in Greendale Rd in Salisbury one of the best pubs I have stayed in, happy days Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 22:31:19 (UTC)



Doug cancel that order for witch doctors the country is full of them allready, I am going to be a sick little wood pidgeon if things don't go to plan aren't I. Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 22:23:32 (UTC)


For second-hand or out-of-print books, try www.abe.com

As of this morning, there were 32 listings for "Operation Noah" by Charles Lagus.

Doug GiffordClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 22:06:59 (UTC)


Johnny,

South Africa is in deep gloom.

There is a cartoon in today's paper of a big Bulldog leaning on the rugby poles and saying to a departing Scottie,"Well done Jock! We'll take over now"! Watching this is a small Springbok.

I think we must send over a couple of witchdoctor's to plant some muti in the pitch.

Oh well! My Mom is English so if if they win I can still have an excuse to celebrate!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 19:33:27 (UTC)


Pieter Dielissen
Comedy Old Timers
Cy Sacks (ex St. Tropez Kitwe) ran the White Elephant Restaurant in Durban North (near the Japanese Cardens) in the late seventies for quite a few years.
We went to quite a few shows there & enjoyed his comedy act.
The place changed hands & was run as the Langostine.
It is now known as Langos & is a successful venue for very good live shows & good food.
As for Cy, I think he has passed on.
best regards


Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 18:23:32 (UTC)


I believe Cy Sachs is still around.

Photos and images - Jislaik people - what fabulous images - love the Operation Noah ones - it was quite something rescuing all those animals and Mike Wilson - please can I take you on a photographic safari? I wanna see how many animals we can bag!

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 18:14:06 (UTC)


Heather

The photos of Operation Noah bring back memories of when I first met Andrzej Edelman(Anjay), Taed Edelman second son. It was about 1958(ish) when they lived down what was then Chepstow Road. The boats used in Operation Noah were parked in their back yard, I think it was before they went down to Kariba.

I still see Anjay from time to time, either here on in SA, and when I saw him last year he mentioned the film of Operation Noah but can't remember if he said he had managed to obtain a copy or if he was trying to obtain a copy. I remember being shown the film when I was still at Northmead school around 1960.

Anjay is listed on the GNR but I don't know if he reads the message board. There is a photo of him, taken some time ago, in the memorabila/people section of the GNR. By the way, if anyone can fix it, the unknown person in the photo I think is Johnny Forrester.

Have had a look on Amazon, there were a number of second hand copies of the book available.

Hartley



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Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 16:49:18 (UTC)


OPERATION NOAH

I have just finished reading the book 'Operation Noah' by Charles Lagus. The book was published in 1959 and Charles spent time at Kariba, filming on behalf of the BBC, with Taed Edelman and Tom Philp.

Taed was born in Poland and was a pilot in the Polish Air Force when World War II broke out. He was captured by the Russians and spent time in a Siberian labour camp, but managed to escape and walked for three months until he reached Persia. He made his way to London via South Africa where he joined the Free Polish Air Force during which time he gained the DFC and DFM for his airborne exploits.

People that Charles met while at Kariba were Spud Ludbrook (a game ranger), Mike Piper (from the Federal Broadcasting Corporation), Franz Leeman (a prospector and volunteer) and Noel Verander and Dick Link, both volunteers.

Taking a steinbuck ashore in one of the boats.

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Zebra are among the most difficult animals to rescue. They are strong enough to break the nets and are armed with vicious hooves and teeth. This zebra stallion was found swimming in the water, almost exhausted, and was lassoed, secured to the boat and shepherded to safety. However, he still had sufficient energy to inflict considerable damage to the boat and on some of his would-be rescuers in his attempts to get aboard.

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A harmless and comical victim of the floods, this is the aardvark or antbear. After he had been flushed from his hole, from which he exploded in a cloud of dust, he was secured by ropes and realsed on the mainland (Picture courtesy of The Northern Rhodesian Information Department)

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Rescue work is often made dangerous by the large concentration of snakes. This is a sixteen-foot python captured shortly after it had consumed a substantial snack. It was one of the few inhabitants of the island which did not appear to be in any great need.

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Civet cats are vicious and need handling with great care. This one was captured in the nets and transported in a sack. Holding the cat are Taed Edelman and Tom Philp; both are members of the NR Game Department (Picture by courtesy of the Northern Rhodesian Information Department)

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The work on the dam goes on by day and night.

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PHOTOS SCANNED FROM OPERATION NOAH BY CHARLES LAGUS, PUBLISHED 1959 BY WILLIAM KIMBER IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE FAUNA PRESERVATION SOCIETY.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 15:29:41 (UTC)



Happy Birthday Des your getting closer to my age mate, enjoy it and give my love to those beautiful sisters of yours Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 14:18:25 (UTC)


Hartley Heaton
The Outward Bound School still operates. I shall stop in there oneday (another one of the things I have been intending to do but haven't managed yet). I'm glad to see that the Von Lettow-Vorbeck monument looks a bit better now than it did when you were there.

Peter Hedges? Never heard of him, only Benson Hedges. Oh sorry, that's Benson & Hedges. Will keep my eyes open and report back if I find anything.

Beth Lloyd
Josh has just moved back to Zimbabwe, but will tell him to give his sisters a shove. I've tried another email, so hope you get it this time.
Have sixty-odd people on the list so far for the Reunion, but haven't yet recorded where they lived when they were here.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 13:32:09 (UTC)




Des Kenny




Happy Birthday!





Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 09:03:30 (UTC)


Hello there John Milton,
Jansci and I are outside PE, we lived in J-BAY for many years and I am still busy catching squid (calamarie). Please give us a shout when you are in the area, I am due in about the time you say you are going to be here. We can have a chin wag,I'm sure that we will have a bit of fresh fish or calamarie to offer plus a beer or two.
Regards,
Ian Coetzee.
Chibuluma.

Ian CoetzeeClick here to contact me
Port Elizabeth East Cape, South Africa
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 05:38:02 (UTC)


DES KENNY ............. MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY! NOW you are as wrinkly as me!! ha ha.
Love and lots of hugs,
Mo xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Moira SteevensClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 02:35:29 (UTC)


FIONA AND HEATHER:

Thanks for your encouraging comments re my pics old and new.
The recent ones were taken only two years ago, Fiona, in April 2000 when I took my 32 year old daughter Linda back to see something of her birthplace - Llewellin hospital Kitwe to be precise(we left when she was only 5 months old).

I'll see what else I can rake up of interest, though the sudden rush of pic postings over the last few days has set a high standard - thank you to all who contributed same.

Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 02:20:42 (UTC)


Northerners!

Some brilliant photo contributions have been received this month and amongst them is a really stunning image received from Peter Hills. The photograph has been reduced in size here, but in the original you can plainly see even the time on the watch (ten past five). A fantastic photo from 1931.

Arthur




Arthur

You may remember the picture on my kitchen wall montage of the Nkana Wireless Station as of 4th March 1931. Back in 1972 I found the picture in some old records in the Drawing Office that were being cleared out before I left Rhokana for Kalulushi. On the obverse side it shows the Concentrator under construction also in 1931.

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This rare picture gives a great insight to the level of technology that existed in Northern Rhodesia which compared to today must have been state of the art.

Looking at the detail, notice the Operator's bicycle outside the window. Also he is wearing traditional Rhodesian clothes, shorts with long socks, probably in khaki and well polished shoes! He appears to operating a teleprinter and has a nearby phone with a dynamo handle to presumably create the ring tone. Just below the speaker horn is a pocket watch on top of what must be a transciever? At the rear is the power supply and to the side it looks like a motor regulator device with warning sign? Interesting the power panel is open at the sides and rear. Perhaps someone a telephone background can identify all the equipment?

The big question is who is the Operator? If you wish to post it on the site you never know we may be able to trace him?


Best regards

Peter Hills - Chester, England





This is a follow up to Heather's recent postings and photos from around the Mbala area. When I was working in the accounting profession one of our clients was the Outwardbound Association. They had their 'Lake School' up at Mbala in what I think was originally a hotel. It was decided one year that we should visit the school as part of the audit, this must have been either 1970 or 71. We drove up taking the most direct route which was dirt road from just north of Kapiri. Along the way we came across a monument, yes it is the same one that Heather posted a photo of recently.

Here it is in 1970, not change much since then:

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I also took a photo of the plaque with the text that Heather referred to:

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A fair amount of the rest of the trip is a bit of a haze. As I said the school itself is what I think was previously a hotel:

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The school was set up in the hills with some great views of the lake:

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I think I am right in saying that the VSOs quarters was a relatively small thatched house set away from the rest of the buildings.

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While there we did get a bit of time off to see the sights one of which was the Kalambo Falls.

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The school used to use the valley after the falls as an expedition area, they climbed down to one side of the falls, I think it was the right hand side, and then proceeded to walk all the way down the valley to the lake where they were picked up by the schools boat. (Can't remember it's name but I think it had some connection to the war)

The school had a boathouse down by the lake where they kept boats of various shapes and sizes. This photo was taken in one of the houses on a very wet day:

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I can't remember who 'Peter Hedges' was but I think he was someone significant in NR history, perhaps I'm wrong but maybe Heather will know.

Our trip back was quite eventful. Because of heavy rain we decided that we would return along the dirt road heading to the Tanzania boarder and then down the tar road to Kapiri. Although this was further it was thought to be the better route. Well about halfway to the tar road we managed to put the car into a ditch and no matter what it would not come out. Here we were stuck on a road which at the time probably saw three or four vehicles a day. If I remember correctly it was a number of hours, I know it turned pitch dark, before a truck came along who pulled us out allowing us to continue on home. All part of the fun of living in Zambia!


Hartley Heaton - Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom




Arthur,

I got the attached article from a golf magazine. I contacted Kitty and she has no problems with the article being put on the message board.


'Oh Bugger!' - the Out of Africa Club hits the west

By Trevor Wucherpfennlg,

TWICE a week five ladies meet at the Carramar Golf Club for what can only be described as a very social game of golf.
They have named their group the 'Oh Bugger' club because this expression is frequently used as golf balls are regularly sprayed into bunkers, bushes and water hazards.

The ladies wear t-shirts which sports an emblem of a pink and grey galah holding a golf club with the words "Oh Bugger!" inscribed underneath.

The club's professionals -Tim Crosbie, Pat Tobin and Andy White -know this group well and ensure the groups plays the back nine because its shorter.

They also have any following group timed to tee-off well behind as these ladies have got to know the kangaroos, galahs and magpies very well with all their bush walks.

Noreen Emslie, who is originally from Zambia, decided to start playing golf for the exercise a few years ago. Her husband Tony, who works on the mines, is a keen golfer.
Noreen is known among the group for always having her flask of coffee along and also for her constant chatter.

Noreen and Gill Godwin, also from Zambia, started playing together and then were joined by the other three. It's a well-known fact that Gill can hit the ball a good 100 metres with a cigarette still in her mouth. Her handicap? Cigarettes, of course.

Rosemary Silva is the only member of the group who was not born in Africa and also the only one who plays club golf. She is a member at the Joondalup Country Club and plays off 34.

Rosemary was born in Switzerland but spent many years in Sri Lanka, the birth-place of her husband. She has visited Africa on a couple of occasions - once to visit her sister in Ghana and another time when her son got married in Kenya.

When her husband was transferred to England she took up playing golf in London.

Sheila McAdam, who hails from Zimbabwe, has only being playing golf for just over a year but is the big improver in the group. Her quick-witted and cheerful personality keeps everyone laughing.

Another Zambian, Kitty McKenzie, met Gill and Noreen at a Zambian get-together which is held twice-yearly at the Hillary’s Yacht Club and decided to join the group as she wanted a game of golf that wasn't too serious.
Serious about golf this group certainly isn't, but they have a great time when playing the game! ~



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TAKE FIVE: The "Oh Bugger" Club pictured in the Carramar GC pro shop in their t-shirts (left to right) Rosemarie Silva, Gill Godwin, Noreen Emslie, Sheila McAdam and Kitty McKenzie.


Regards


Gordon Dixon - Perth, Western Australia




Art could you slip this in somewhere please Thanks Johnny.Maybe needs reducing ?

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Some of you may remember these extortionate visas those Portugooses used to charge us to get down to Biera, this one cost $30 as long ago as this

Robbers.

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Johnny Green - Scarborough, United Kingdom




Hi mate

Please post these to arouse some debate on whether

1 I was right
2 Malama was right
3 The pitch was playable
4 The pitch was favourable for the Lebanese next cricket practice.

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Regards

Chris Swart - Kitwe Zambia




Luangwa Revisited

As promised, here are a few more photos. I'm also working on some taken by me in the bush in 1953.

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Regards,

Mike Wilson - Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom




Articles with photos were posted on behalf of the contributors for the Great North Road by:




Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, November 18, 2002 at 00:12:29 (UTC)


PLEASE HELP !!!!!!!
I am trying to locate the contact address for the passport office in Lusaka. Can anybody help?
I can be contacted on my e-mail address:- jven@xtra.co.nz
Thanks

Jan VenterClick here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Sunday, November 17, 2002 at 23:24:19 (UTC)


Talking about musician and comedian old timers...

Is Cy Sacks still around? He was in Canada for a few years in the late 60s trying to make a living. Also here was Fishka Raus (sp)who died about six months after an operation to control his weight.

BTW, it is snowing in Fredericton. Expecting about 30 cms today. Very calm, minus 1C - a beautiful day.

Guy Hobbs: Are you still in IT? We are certainly old timers, eh. I started in 1964 - 38 years ago....

Dawie: How is the job in England? Having fun???

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, November 17, 2002 at 20:43:21 (UTC)


Another quiet Sunday night and I was doing some channel hopping on the box and hit on SABC 3 - a programme called Comedy Showcase.

There was this grey-haired bloke doing stand-up - and he had a familiar look about him, not to mention the accent. We only caught the end of his routine, and I am saying to Tristan (my son) - I am sure I know this guy - maybe from the nightclubs in Salisbury during my youth - in fact it reminds me of a bloke called Graham.

Then they thanked Graham Boyle (Gentle People)! He! He! He always was the joker - but I didn't recognise him properly with short grey hair - but he still has that naughty smile!

What a nice surprise!

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 17, 2002 at 19:23:31 (UTC)



Doug you ain't seen nothing yet just wait till next week when we get them down to TWICKERS,Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 17, 2002 at 09:04:32 (UTC)


Scots 21 Boks 6. Well at least I can be a bit happy because my Dad was a Scot, but what's happening to the Boks? By the time they had defrosted it was too late!

Another company has taken over my ISP and never informed us of the address change, so I have had no email for a couple of days. Today I got the new address & opened the email to find 84 messages waiting! I am plowing my way thru.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 16:29:51 (UTC)


Richard Moskwa,

I remember your parents from their time in Kabwe, please pass on my best wishes to them both. I tried to post a photo a few weeks ago with your dad presiding over the Kabwe Golf Club Championship presentation circa 1972. Though your mum was there she is 95% hidden behind your dad. Also just visible in the photo is Club Captain, Chris Botha - and I appear in the background. Above my head there is the Broken Hill/Kabwe Open winners board where notable names shown include Simon Hobday 1966 (see recent post by Nick Tyler) and George van Niekerk. I'll send a copy on request ... or maybe attempt to post it again.

Jack Wardell Kabwe 67-74

Jack WardellClick here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 10:10:17 (UTC)


Don't forget that Simon Hobday , ex Mazabuka and born in SA, won the 1994 US Senior Open Golf tournament. Loved watching that because he's such a character.

Nick


Nick TylerClick here to contact me
New Jersey, United States
Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 00:36:30 (UTC)



Richard sorry to here about your dad I hope he makes a complete recovery and best wishes to them on there anniversary I will pass on his condition to a few people who like me remember him like Gordon Freeman, Ben Gomm,and a couple of old boys around Africa keep us informed on his progress Regards Johnny Green ex Nchanga.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 18:35:56 (UTC)




Jill and Fiona.
Thanks for your compliments on the photos. Yes, they are my work and I'm happy for you to use any of them as a base for your painting. I'll post some more through Arthur if he's agreeable.

About a month ago someone mentioned Dave Klein. I too remember him as manager of the Astra Cinema Kitwe. In particular I remember one evening when the NRP were holding a fancy dress dance in a hall opposite. Keith Dunne, an Assistant Inspector, who was dressed as a Gestapo officer, went across to the Astra during the interval and "arrested" Dave and frogmarched him out of the cinema with many shouts of "Zieg Heil" to the bemusement of the cinemagoers in the foyer. Dave took it all in good part and had a couple of drinks with Keith at the dance before he was released.
Great Days!
Mike


Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 17:46:00 (UTC)


For those who remember my father from the Copperbelt, Tad Moskwa, he suffered a stroke a couple of months ago that has unfortunately affected him quite badly.

He is aged 83 and still lives with my mother (aged 78) near me here in the States.In fact today is their 55th wedding anniversary.

Richard MoskwaClick here to contact me
Connecticut, United States
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 16:34:02 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S !

Ever wonder where on the Internet your email address is available?

Use a search engine like Metacrawler or Google and search for your email address.

You will be surprised!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 10:21:55 (UTC)


Hi Hartley,

We were in Mazabuka at the time (1966/67) - at Snookie Collens birthday party out on their farm. The dog was frothing at the mouth and everyone went into panic mode - the dog was shot but had to be sent to Onderstepoort for testing. We all had to go back to boarding school within a week, and the testing was going to take six I think - so, I think the various doctors were being more safe than sorry. How's Jean getting on with the Northmead photos from our class - say hi to her for me?????

Mike Arnold's Mom gave him and John Dabbs their injections -poor guys - I believe the doctor who gave me mine committed suicide shortly afterwards!!!!!

HEATHER

Haven't received an email from you since my 50th. Gosh, hardly recognised Josh without his beard!!! Please ask him to 'prod' his sisters for me and give him my regards. Does he ever get up to Johannebsurg? The Wellers were such a huge part of our lives, I'd love to catch up with him again.

Am really working on the "reunion" next year. Any other ex Broken Hillians or Mazabuka folk made contact with you yet?



Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 07:35:15 (UTC)


The Whitley brothers,1 plays for Manchester City,both are Northern Ireland Internationals.

Mark DonkinClick here to contact me
Bromsgrove,Worcs, United Kingdom
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 06:55:13 (UTC)


Happy Birthday, Barry Woodrow



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, November 15, 2002 at 04:19:03 (UTC)


Neil Radford was from Ndola. Another one is Bruce Roberts (Also from Ndola)who played for Derbyshire.Will think of others soon!

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 22:29:19 (UTC)


We do need a spell check - I mean, what the heck are ongs? And now I am traversing the raods of Africa - Crikey!

Jill - Sorry!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 21:28:38 (UTC)


Mike Wilson,

Fabulous photographs - do you mind if I paint that leopard?

Heather,

The border post is the old-fashioned - your side, my side - the Moz side is full of pimps (can't think of a better word!) offering to get you through customs and immigration - but only on the way in. But you don't need them, if your visa's in order - it's A O K and away. But it kinda adds to the fun of going into REAL Africa to have a few glitches at the border! BTW It's much easier on the way out - but we did see a crowd of South Africans giving and getting a bit of a hassle on our return.

I have done that whole route through to Walvis Bay - before the tar roads - I did it in 1993 with Kai, my son who was then 14 - what a wonderful trip - and then on - up through the Caprivi - with Kai absolutely stressing because he had never been in such an isolated place on such challenging raods - and all with a normal car - we drove straight into a herd of ellies just inside Chobe in the dark. We couldn't see them - just heard their frighteningly loud trumpeting outside our car at about 8pm - they were milling around us I drove through the ghostly beasties.

It was wonderful.

Long live driving through the mother continent.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 21:26:27 (UTC)


BOB ALLAN

Sorry there was no comment on your photos. Please don't think they weren't appreciated - they were. I guess everyone thinks that someone else will comment, that someone else will have something more relevant to say about them and then time goes by and it kind of gets put on the back burner. Your latest ones are lovely. When were they taken? They're so clear it looks like yesterday

MIKE WILSON

Incredible photos. Did you take them? If so, I congratulate you on your photographic brilliance.

HEATHER

Another overdue comment. Your photos and story about Lake Tanganyika were superb as usual. I look forward to seeing a section on the GNR when we will be able to look back at all the photos without having to guess which month they appeared.

CAROL BRUCE

Happy birthday girl. I hope it was a good one.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 20:27:56 (UTC)


Neal Radford played cricket for Worcestershire and England in the late 80's -early 90's. I think he was from Lusaka.

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 19:13:20 (UTC)


Following from the cricket theme....we know Phil Edmonds played for England.We also know that both the current "Boks" & "Wallabies" Captains have Zambian roots,additionally Ray Mordt not only excelled at Union for the "Boks" but league for Wigan.How many other international sportsmen have connections with Zambia?I recollect ex Scotish lock/No8 Peter Stagg played for 1 of the local Rugby clubs.Jack Bolton(think his wife made cakes)former England scrum half/trialist?Finally Nick Hales captained England U19s approx 1982 & went on to play Currie Cup.
Any others we know about?

Mark DonkinClick here to contact me
Bromsgrove,Worcs, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 18:42:30 (UTC)


Barry Woodrow
Yes, I know what you mean about meals at the Cardoso - not a lot of choice. I'm sorry to hear that the pace of the improvements has slowed down. From 1995 to 1998 I spent a lot of time in Maputo, averaged about one trip a month, but sometimes just two weeks between trips and on each trip, I noticed something new - a new shop, a new restaurant, some potholes fixed or even just a coat of paint on a building.

Jill Aplin
The toll road via Nelspruit is part of a development under SADC to upgrade all the import and export corridors in the SADC countries. This road links up with the Trans-Kalahari Highway which terminates at Walvis Bay (the Trans-Caprivi Highway is also completed as far as Katimo Mulilo and work has just started on a bridge across the Zambezi at Sesheke. The road will then link up with the Great North Road at Livingstone). But can you tell me about the border post - is it a one stop border post or is it still one of the old type with the officials of one country never speaking to the officials of the country across the border? It was orginally planned to be a one-stop post but then somebody at NIDS (a South African committee of all the different departments involved in border posts) decided that it couldn't work. We were hoping to convert Chirundu to a one-stop post as well. Most of the preliminary work had been done (traffic flows, document flows, training courses for officials, the lot) and was about to be handed over to the architects and engineers for the design work when everything ground to a halt.

Next time you're in Maputo you should try to visit the jail there (its on an island and I can't remember it's name right now, but it is where the political prisoners were kept during the Renamo days).

Beth Lloyd
Rabies injections? Not once, three times, but they are all long stories and no chance to tell you today. But in all three cases, the animal tested positive for rabies on the first and second tests.
Did you get the email I sent you about two weeks ago?

Hartley Heaton
You are correct. The brain of the animal is sent to the Veterinary Research Station in Mazabuka where they do the testing.

John Costopoulos
Thanks. I have already been in contact with them and they have given me a slightly reduced price. But I'm not happy with the price so am going down to meet with them. Have been trying for two weeks to get down to Livingstone, but still haven't made it. I hope to get there before the middle of December.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 15:56:03 (UTC)


Northerners

Some more excellent photos for you:

Northerners
Some of you or some of your parents will know my dad and mum, Sam Cooper and Chris Cooper, ex-Kansanshi and ex-Nkana. Mum was of course the best woman golfer in Africa. At one time Mashonaland and Rhodesia Women's champion. Now she is a LPGA pro instructor at a local links in southern California. Dad is just a Yorkshireman, although he did teach mum to play golf at Nkana Golf Club.

The following photograph was taken very recently by my good mate, Glen Drake. Thanks for watching after my dear beloved mum and dad, Glen. And have a safe and comfortable flight to Tasmania to see your mum!

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Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem, Amsterdam, Nederland




Last year I was fortunate to visit the South Luangwa valley. Some of the photographs may be of interest to other members, so here goes.

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Regards
Mike Wilson, Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom




Herewith four photos taken two years ago in and around Kitwe.
I am thinking that the GNR is a bit devoid of pics this month after Heather's magnificent anthology of Lake Tanganyika et al. Wish we could all be there to access such scenery. Perhaps she has scared everyone else off, but I'm always prepared to have a go, I don't care about the jibes. Anyway, what's the matter with you lot - are you all (not you Arthur) a pack of snobs or what?
I had not a single comment, not a bouquet nor brickbat after I had all those old slides of the great Nchanga Mine and Chingola converted at some expense to photos, before scanning them myself and submitting to Arthur, who very kindly did comment, and put them up on the board for the whole world of ex-NRhodies to see (and aren't we just scattered!).

Well, I hope you all like the small Kitwe selection, including Mindolo Dam, better than you seemed to like poor old Chingola! (Bob, don't be grumpy - I saw your photos of Chingola and they were excellent, just as these ones are. Heather)

(Grumpy) Bob Allan, Melbourne
ps My wife Karen and I visited Peter Mason and Ditha in Brisbane on Sunday 3rd - we had a great get-together after 34 years! RWA

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 15:10:34 (UTC)


Elspeth

If you are like me and have never been able to spell, use Word. Type you message, spell check it and then cut and paste it into the message space on the board.

Dr. Foster, I think I am right that he lived on the corner of Almer May Rd and Cornwall Rd (Old names can't remember what they changed to). This was just around the corner from my folks house.

In the 26 years that I lived out in Zambia I managed to avoid rabies. There must have been hundreds of people who were injected only to discover that the animal was not rabid, my mother included. I think that the only way to discover that an animal was rabid was to examine it's brain some way or other (bit drastic for non rabid animals). I think I am right that this examination took place near Mazabuka.

However it was always better to be safe. A man, who's children were at my mothers creche, pulled a dog out of a swimming pool and it proceeded to bite him and run away. He was adamant that it could not have been rabid as it was in the water so he didn't get injected. I can't remember how long after this he died of rabies.


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 14:28:32 (UTC)


HEATHER

Re the Livingstone Lark, I'm told if one approaches Sun Hotels with a deal, good discounts are available. Any truth to this?

I presume, being your usual efficient self, that you're probably investigating already.

John CostopoulosClick here to contact me
Durban, KZN, South Africa
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 12:10:42 (UTC)



Hi Ayub
Interesting reading on the cricket. I was one of the eagle players who went to England along with Phil Edmonds and the rest. Remember all the names you mention in your messages. Sad to read the news about Majid. Retired from cricket last year, life is just not the same now.

Cheers Bernie Horton

Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 11:50:26 (UTC)


Oops - diseases (thought it didn't look right).

Is there a way of doing a spell check once you're in the message - I've gone to all the different icons and can't find it.

Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 11:04:11 (UTC)


Who could ever forget Dr Foster???? He used to make house calls in the evening and we always tried desperately to be asleep so that we didn't have to be given, yet "another" injection, no matter what the symptoms.

Chris Stead - help me here! (Welcome on board - it's only been three years of me pestering you!!)

Wasn't Dr. Foster from overseas and brilliant on tropical deseases. Dr. Jack took over from him eventually, if I remember correctly.

Speaking of injections - how many of you out there (like me)had to have the dreaded rabies injections? One every day for fourteen days!!! Turns out the dog wasn't even rabid!!!





Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 11:01:04 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAROLE BRUCE!
Love and best wishes,
Mo xoxoxoxoxo

Moira SteevensClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 08:24:04 (UTC)


Anyone know the whereabouts of the following:
1) Willie Wade
2) Ann Flint
3) Bruce Barnes ( ex-Cardiff city footballer and City of Lusaka football Club player/coach)
All were teachers in Lusaka early to late sixties.
also anyone re-call Dr. Foster (had surgery in Lusaka city Centre.


Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at 21:56:49 (UTC)


GNR New Zeeland,
In December I will be in New Zeeland for about a month.
I´ll be staying with a friend in Wanganui until the 15th and then I´ll be going by car down to Invercargill on the south island until the 25th. I am very unfamiliar with the geography of NZ but if there are any ex-rhodesians in the area, who knows we might meet for a cold beer and an exchange of news.
Regards.
Hans Mattsson
Uppsala.

Hans MattssonClick here to contact me
Uppsala, Sweden
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at 20:57:07 (UTC)


Maputo and Surrounds:

I drove there last year to spend New Year's Eve in Maputo. There is a French-owned toll road all the way there via Nelspruit, but we needed the Landrover to go even a little further North. I had never been before, so no past points of reference. The countryside from the border to Maputo was open grassland mainly and very few farm animals etc were to be seen. There were a few chickens as we neared Maputo, which is better than 1995 when we drove to Malawi in the north when we saw absolutely nothing except food-aid trucks.

We stayed at Costa do Sol - and the food at the market was much better, sorry Heather! And the Costa do Sol closed for New Year's Eve, so we had a very quiet night... quite disappointing as we had thought we were going to have a really good Mozambican New Year.

For New Year's Day we drove 35 kilometres north of Maputo - mostly on tar roads to have lunch at a resort mainly inhabited by South Africans who drove quad bikes on the otherwise pristine beach.

The beach outside Costa do Sol was littered with copious amounts of glass - and was quite dangerous to walk on in bare feet. The water was warm but murky, but we survived - we were the only white people there and on the 30th there was a huge beach party with all the cars in the car park opposite the hotel pounding out reggae and Portuguese ongs in competition with one another. As they finished their three M beers in the bottles, the locals simply smashed them on to the tarmac.

They had races up and down the beach front in front of the hotel and the festivities went on until midnight - all under the watchful eyes of the Maputo Police department.

We really enjoyed it as it was so different from staid old white South Africa - we have it all on video - if you ever come this way, Dawie, come and have a look.

We had no problems at all - even managed to emerge unscathed through the many police roadblocks encountered.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at 20:35:04 (UTC)


Barry,

Dankje for the report on your recent visit to Maputo! Jissus, I understand completely now why you galavant so much around the world---even more than me!---you just eat your way from one end of the planet t'other, don't you?

And I know that's true because you were very quick to explain all about the rotting buried shark meat that the Icelanders scoff down! Good grief! I suppose I will have to do the same when I come to visit Iceland next year.

Wow, I had an incredible image the other night---image a motorbike trip across Iceland! Is that a doable thing... I mean with a fastbike like a Ducati? Can you traverse the island coast to coast on good bitumen roads, or do you need an motocross bike? What are the stops like? Towns along the way? Accommodation? How long would it take you (no, I will not be travelling at 144 mph!)... you can reply to me privately on these last, non-germane queries.

Thanks again for the report. I would love to hear more about the countryside outside of Maputo, and especially on Beira. There was a shot of Beira and its docks on the BBC the other night (AFRICA UNMASKED, which I assume all us in the UK are watching... Peter Godwin is one of the narrators).

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dawie van der Bliksem

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at 10:42:01 (UTC)



Dear Swinton Jones
Thank you for clarifying the story of the Forking in Chinsali I was pleased to hear you were not involved expecially after hearing the previous suffering you had endured while serving in Burma, it would have been the last straw for your good lady if it had been you had returning from that excursion
in splints, anyway alls well that ends well and when I return to the old country next year I will make sure that all the cutlery is plastic, Chin Chin old man and keep the flag flying.
Johannes Grun

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 20:47:28 (UTC)


MAPUTO

Dave Cooper has been pressing me to jot down my comments on my three day visit to Maputo last month.

Despite my hopes I had even less time for socialising than during my previous visit in April 2001 (see my entry archived GNR Board 16 April 2001)

Again, I stayed at the Cardoso Hotel, where I can report an improvement in the breakfast eggs service, but no real change in the dinner a la carte menu, which is now rather smaller but still "wishful" in its content. Service was attentive, but then on both evenings in question I was the sole diner and the waiters seemed anxious to justify their existence!

The car rental service at the Cardoso Hotel turned out to be reasonable value - USD 60 per day with driver and 75km included. I rented for two days and no doubt a better deal could be negotiated for a longer rental.

Regrettably, I didn't have time to get back to "Costa do Sol" for more prawns .. but next time (which I hope might even be as soon as December) I shall definitely be there!!

With 18 months between visits I thought I might notice a few changes - not really; a few more building cranes around, and the impression of newer cars, but otherwise everything seemed much the same. Recovering, yes, but slowly ...

For those of you who want to know more about how Maputo - and Mozambique - is recovering, I suggest you might contact George English who posted here on 18 April 2001 - his email is archived along with his message. He hasn't registered as a member, but I've copied this text to him by email and perhaps he will register now.

Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 20:37:05 (UTC)



Further to the little story of the Duke of Romfords X1 I recieved an e mail saying yes I remember you swines, surely still not bearing a grudge for over 30 years.
johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 20:31:36 (UTC)


Cricket
Anyone out there that took part in the Namwala matches between the local Asian Community team & the old Colonial Government Officials in the late fifties.
On one occasion I was invited by the Walford family to play for the Brits, since they were one man short.
As I recall, the Asian team were almost exclusively Patels or Solankis even down to the Scorers!
A jolly good time was had by all.

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 20:20:45 (UTC)


Talking about the state of cricket grounds one incident comes to my mind. While preparing to play against the farmers at their Ngwerere ground, we found that the umpires had not turned up.So the teams decided to appoint umplires from those playing. When my turn came I calmly picked up 6 "pebbles" from the field and having counted the over out proceeded to put the "pebbles" in my pocket. Whilst standing at square leg I put my hand in my pocked... only to find that the "pebbles" were all squashed. To my horror I realised that they actually were goat's droppings!!!!!!

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 18:22:04 (UTC)


I have sent Arthur the pitch report and the national coach's response to my concern over player safety. Fortune favours those who you know and an old friend is David "Swinger" Richardson who is an ICC big shot. I hope the state of the potholed ground brings gome the reality of what the boys actually face to get a crack at cricket and probably why so many fall by the wayside. Get hit on a pitch like that and I wont putting your hand up to open the batting in the next game !
One of the most amusing aspects of this all is that the Lusaka sides had no complaints, despite one of them being dismissed for a sizeable score of 13.We muzungus would have been blaming the pitch and the organisers till the cows came home.......and found the grass lacking !

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 17:01:25 (UTC)


Greetings all,

Since my last post, I have spent 3 months overseas in Italy, Luxembourg, France and England with my wife...truly a test! We survived, despite visiting 17,672 churches, 3,892 museums and too few pubs! Saw my younger step brother Richard Smale while in Lux.

My highlight of the trip was an intoductory flight in a Magni autogyro... Rave on, this is the new passion in my life. I am now reinventing the wheel and hope to fly the Milton special in about 12 months. Any gyro pilots out there?

Heather, your pics are magnifico...I am now determined to revisit the old and discouver the new.

On the sad side. A friend of mine, Tony Griffiths died recently, I am not sure if anyone mentioned it. Tony was one of the first to be born in Bwana Makuba. He is survived by his son Michael and daughter Heather.

I am visitingt St Francis Bay south of Port Elisabeth from Dec 6th to the 19th and then on to the UK for xmas (Clevedon, south of Bristol, If anyone is within cooee and would like to meet for a pint on me (a rare one)!

One more thing, I have lost David Simmonds address.. I gave it to a few of you. Will someone please e mail me with it, thanks.

Cheers

John Milton

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 15:08:51 (UTC)


Late birthday greetings for
Helen Chileshe, Doron Grill, Roger Pinder, Philip Selley, Charles Bellow, Gwyneth Thomas, Maureen Harrison, George Michalakis, Rod Boyd.

Hope you all had a happy day.






Ray Wright, John Thixton


Happy Birthday





Kevin Shone

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you thought I forgot
But as I told, I did not.

Stories about you, I have many.
Which ones should I tell, if any?

Your hair is thin, your knees are sore,
That's what happens when you're fifty four.
It's really catching up with you fast,
Your licentious, hedonistic and decadent past.

But for now, all I will say
Is I hope you have a happy day.





Ayub Zumla
What do I do in Lusaka?

As little as possible!!

Alright, I'll be serious.

I own a magazine which is published monthly and is also availabe on the web at Lowdown. That is my main business although I have a number of other things which help to keep me busy.

Doug Grewar
The other person in the photo is Josh Weller.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, November 12, 2002 at 09:01:51 (UTC)



Doug no that is not Arthur he is laid under the table.
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 20:34:04 (UTC)



Happy Birthday KEV enjoy whats left of it Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 20:30:14 (UTC)


Ahhhh Medem Chalcraft!!!!

Thanks for posting picture of Cookie & sis in law. Glad they survived the BA flight to Lusaka and U have sent them on their way. Thanks for all your help. Am sure Cookie will become streetwise in no time again. Look after yourself. Kisses & huggies........ Gary

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 20:16:03 (UTC)


Heather who is the other chap in the photo? Is it Arthur?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 20:10:08 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO KEVIN SHONE......LOTS OF LOVE AND WISHES FROM ALI......
..........ITS THE 12TH HERE ALREADY.!!!!...........


Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 17:41:54 (UTC)


LEAH.......HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR LITTLE 9 YEAR OLD......HOPE YOU HAVE A REALLY HAPPY DAY FOR THE 12TH NOVEMBER........LOTS OF LOVE AND WISHES, FROM
MOM, ALICE , JADE, ROSIE, BELLA, NOIR, JASPER, AND POLLY

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 17:38:57 (UTC)


Heather,
Thanks...still has strong arms!! My dad used to say he could tackle a lion anytime! What do you do in Lusaka, Heather?..Regards

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 16:01:03 (UTC)


Hi Rich,
Yes my dad and uncle were in Chipata before..then went into Tobacco farming in a place called Changata..near Chipata. Then moved to Lusaka and ran Zambia Fencing Contractors. About money transactions...you are right..priests shouldn't run these rackets. As with others at present. The name of religion is being tarnished by such people!
does anyone remember wrestling in Zambia? Fred Coates and all.....

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 15:55:55 (UTC)


Ayub Zumla, Nick Tyler
Here is a picture of Fatty Miller (on the right) taken at the Banbury Bash in September.
Fatty

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 15:50:37 (UTC)


Chris,
Sorry to hear about your encounter. Yes, Lotus school has no cricket ground. I went there last year and visited the school as it was one where I spent 5 years in Primary. The ground was full of potholes and all I could see were a few kids kicking a ball around. Surprised that the ZCU did not provide you with a suitable ground. Perhaps it might be an idea to give Rashid Patel (think he is the President of the ZCU) a nudge.

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 15:43:30 (UTC)


Nick,
Yes I remember that game. Bobby Baldwin was a great player..always batted with glasses. fatty muller was renowned for hitting big sixes! Sadly Majid Pandor passed away about 8 years ago. Solly and his brother Yusuf are around...Solly has settled in Australia. Yusuf is still in Zambia. I also recall a Zambian Eagles team touring the UK in the 60's..with Phil Edmonds and company.
Sad about England's demise in Australia! Any cricket where you live? cheers

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 15:37:42 (UTC)


Talking about cricket. I took a side down to Lusaka on Friday and what transpired is my letter to the ICC tabled below this.
I am writing to you to express my disappointment over the Independence Cup held in Lusaka.
I assessed a group of 19 Copperbelt players for this tournament, eight of whom I felt had the ability to compete at international level, with five of them having competed previously.
On arrival we were asked to travel to Lotus Basic School ground which turned out to be a bare patch of ground behind the Lotus and Metros grounds. I inspected the ground and immediately noticed large mudbowls caused by soccer players in the goal mouth areas, with rocks and broken glass all over the place. The run up area had quartz/granite protruding which posed a danger to the bowlers.We were told the game started at seven and had to wait an hour and a half before anyone showed up.
Personally I have never seen such a ground in thirty years and was shocked to say the least and found that player safety was being ignored by Saidi Malama for the sake of having a tournament. My frustration was that after weeks of identifying my players we were expected to ask them to perform on a vastly substandard pitch and ground. This was unacceptable and I made the decision to turn back to the Copperbelt and travel six hours back without a ball being bowled.The players and coach were deeply disappointed and frustrated.
I understand the personal frustration Saidi faces with the clubs. I looked at the Lotus and Metros grounds and found them in satisfactory playing condition. My question is why these clubs that rely on the youth playing pool close their doors to this tournament? The clubs were willing to open their doors to the ICC Africa Cup games but closed their doors to a development programme. This smacks of racism and I know little will be done to remedy this.The Lusaka clubs are not willing to buy into this programme and expect the fruits of Saidi's labour for their future survival.
The Copperbelt clubs on the other hand have fully supported the development of cricket and welcomed tournaments of any sort organised on their grounds.Unfortunately the logistics of five Midlands teams would have made this impossible.
I am beginning to feel the frustration of underfunding and in fact no funding at all from the Midlands. We were promised a budget from August and to date have not received the bank forms or any funds. Most of the development has been funded from my own pocket which after the family tragedy I suffered can not be entertained any longer.I am sad to say that I can no longer be involved in
such disorganisation.
The academy which I had planned is slipping away as no pitch inspection and help has arrived nor any equipment to develop the ground at Ravens. From your perception the ground was ideal to establish such a school.
I anticipate your urgent response to this.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 09:48:40 (UTC)



My Dear Leah, sorry this is not in colour but I am not clever enough to do it, but this does not retract from me wishing you a very HAPPY 9th BIRTHDAY and I hope you enjoy it with much Love Johnny.
PS I hope your mammy is feeling a little better.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 09:00:49 (UTC)


Ayub - I played for Rennie in the mid sixties at all the clubs you named . Great fun but not easy for schoolboys against the seasoned regulars ! One highlight was when Rennie won the limited over weekend knock out tournament against Lusaka Club , at the Club - whose Bobby Baldwin had scored two hundreds before lunch the previous day . Maybe you were there ?

The Ellises were three - Barry , Trevor and Peter . The Edmonds were three - John , Pierre and Phil . Brockwells had two - Derek and Tony . Holms had two - Poenie and Dolfie ; and two Hortons also descended on us from the far North , and maningi Goveias from the Hill . Majid Pandor and Solly Patel were the star Indian players I recall .

The Rennie team was run by Alastair Todd and then Fatty Muller , and we played at home on Parker's Piece in the school grounds in Kabulonga . No bar , no food - which is why Lusaka teams hated playing us at home ; and I don't blame them .

Nick



Nick TylerClick here to contact me
New Jersey, United States
Monday, November 11, 2002 at 00:00:42 (UTC)


Johnny Green.....

Your old pal Reggie sent me the following letter, I think perhaps he should have addressed it to you.

All the best.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Reginald Swinton-Jones"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Dick's Stabbing

>Dear Miller,

After several attempts to write a letter directly to the GNR Board, again inutter frustration, I must prevail on you to redirect this missive for me.

Messrs John Green and Chinyerezi Chintu have made reference to the demise of Dick Fanshaw, when his male appendage was stabbed by a fork, wielded by young Willy Dirleton. The disaster occured while I was on long leave in 1950 visiting Mater and Pater. Fanshaw, poor chap was seconded to Chinsali as District Commissioner in my absence. Fortunately he was pricked by a fork and not sliced by a knife. His speedy recovery was due in part to having his punctured member disinfected with Gordon's Gin. Needless to say, copious amounts of G and Ts were also consumed to allivate the pain and to fight the ever present threat of malaria.

While serving with the Indian Army in Burma during W.W. ll, I was wounded in action and suffered a similar fate to good old Dick. I was leading my patrol, when we were ambushed and some blighter shot me in the family jewels, reducing my member by a couple of inches. Lady Pamela Huntingdon, however, will attest to my full recovery
and performance in the boudoir. My God, what an athletic filly!

As a result of my ordeal, His Majesty King George, personally presented me with a D.S.O. and Scar, however he did decline my offer to display my drill stick for his inspection.

I have vague recollections of Mr. John Green or is it Johannes Grun. The old codger certainly must be demented as he obviously has problems remembering his name. Must send the old chap a bottle of gin to help him with his malaria.

Next week I will be going on a tour of the district to ensure that all bicycles are licensed. I will of course try and keep you informed of my movements.

I remain in Her Brittanic Majesty's service in this year of Her Jubilee.

Reginald Swinton Jones, M.B.E., D.S.O.and Scar, R.S.V.P.
District Commissioner , Chinsali.


> _______________________________________________________________
> http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service
> >

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 23:30:51 (UTC)



Seeing the articles on cricket brought back memories of a season in Chingola that must go down as one of the most corrupt in the annals of the game, there was an inter club league formed and we entered it in the name of the DUKE OF ROMFORDS X1 the skipper was a man who claimed he was the Duke of Romford and a more devious gentleman could not have been found anywhere, games were played on Sunday afternoons and always after a copious amount of stimulants had been consumed, we used to station a few spare players around the perimeter of the ground and if things were going a little wonky for us we used to slip a few extra fielders on the pitch, at one game which I believe was the final against the Chingola cricket club I remember we had 14 men on the field at one stage and we were never found out, after we had had been presented with the cup the opposition got wind that we had slipped a few extra men on the field And at that stage they could not prove any thing, but I remember the opposition captain saying they are a bunch of swines, and our captain the Duke ordered us a club tie apiece which I still possess it had a crest of the head of a swine with the DR'S X1 embroidered on it needless to say we were not invited to participate the following season, and I allways remember that little ditty that went,
For when the one great scorer
Comes to write against your name
He will write not how you won or lost
But how you played the game.
And we must have played it right we won.Johnny.

I will try and get Arthur to put a clip of the tie on here.








JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 23:04:00 (UTC)


Ayub Zumla
Greetings Ayub. Yes cricket was a lively sport for some people. The Asian community definately took it seriously and many players and sometimes spectators were injured by stumps and cricket bats when tempers flared.

Are you by any chance related to the Zumla's that ran the hardware shop in Chipata? Now I have to see if my memory can match yours. The Zumla's were in partnership with Munshi Yousuf's? father. Munshi worked for Shell in Lusaka and when his father died in Chipata Munshi left and went to run the business. Munshi and Valli Omar who worked for Power Equipment in Lusaka were great pals and I have eaten some HOT curry at their homes. The family of Coulson Omar, Vali's wife are also well known to me.

When I first met Valli Omar, I could not believe that his father was a priest(not the right word) in Chipata and then in Blackburn. U.K. I couldnt understand how Omar could wheel and deal with currency and black market goods when he had to pray 5 times a day. He explained the Koran briefly to me and it made a liitle sense.

Also through him I met Mussa Yousuff who was recently acquited on a drug dealing charge in Lusaka after it was found that he had been set up by a rival business man.
Njovu

Rich NjovuClick here to contact me
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 21:44:18 (UTC)


I wonder if there are any cricket lovers out there who remember the game in Lusaka. There were some wonderful grounds there. Remember Middlewater (with the surrounding maize Silos), Lusaka Club, Municipals, Police Ground,Central Sports Club, Lusaka Indian Sports Club, Muslim Sports club, Ngwerere etc. Before and after independence there was a wealth of cricket talent. I remember the Ellis brothers (think one was called Barry), Trevor Lake, Dallas Grobblelar, the Edmonds brothers (Phil went on to play for England)...anyone remember others? I am glad to say that cricket is still alive in Zambia today. Some of the grounds are still there...Central Sports,Lusaka club, the two Asian grounds and one or two others. I fondly remember the hospitality that visiting teams used to receive from the farmers at Ngwerere...especially the home-made cakes and biscuits. Internationally, Zambia now plays under an East and Central African; with Tanzania and Uganda.
Kenya and Zimbabwe are on their own..and doing well too!!

Ayub Ismail ZumlaClick here to contact me
Manchester, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 16:01:07 (UTC)



Johnny,
Your relating of the incident of John Maxwell and the crocodile brought back vivid memories of that time. As a footnote might I add that both John and Mrs Maloni, the woman who saved him, were both awarded the George Cross for their bravery.
Regards, Mike

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 14:54:24 (UTC)


Johnny,
There was a great film called "Beautifull People" which included the effect of marula fruit on elephants and other animals. It was realy funny to see them falling around, and then when they got the hangover, Oh Boy! Apparently the fruit ferments inside the Elephants stomach.

Cookie Brassington and your Lady welcome to Mother Africa. How old were you when you left? Can you still remember the place as it was before? Maybe Gary can answer for you if you are too busy dodging drunken Elephants?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 13:35:58 (UTC)


Brasso
Here they are, outside my office. Left about ten minutes ago for Livingstone

Click for image.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 10:29:16 (UTC)



Dear Alix why don't you call your favourite tipple by its proper name of Jungle Juice?, I have never tried it but I have witnessed its affect on several occasions on Elephants
they stand swaying and crooning to themselves and even smile at you when they are in there cups, but beware when they have just sobered up and the hangover is just beginning, I think I will wait for my night out with you until Livingstone when I will insure the bar has plenty of it by E Mailing them and telling them to make sure that they have plenty in stock for an Australian/Zambian who will wreck there bar if she canot get her fix. love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 10, 2002 at 09:18:39 (UTC)


Eina!

Froggies 30, Springboks 10! The biggest French victory ever in 32 rugby matches against the Boks. The Boks only woke up in the last quarter but it was too late. The Froggies kept up the pressure right to the end and had a well deserved win.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 21:43:01 (UTC)


To the anonymous reader of this board that left a donation at Border Farmers our heartfelt thanks. God Bless you and your family. To the other Zambian farmer that was so touched that he gave all the money he had.....Our gratitude.
To all the readers, members and friends we have the Bandit Beatles palying for the Trust on Wednesday at the Edinburgh. LeisureQuest's Jeff Lloyd has organised the whole show and the band have forgone their fees to help. We look forward to a great night and the start of the healing and hope.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 20:52:09 (UTC)


Johannes Grun,

Great story about the DC and the snake!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 20:44:12 (UTC)



I forgot to publish Mr Chintu's EM address for any one who would like to converse with him direct, but I would hope any correspondence with him would be through the these pages so we can all gain some wisdom maybe,hereis the address,
Directory, who identified himself/herself as Chinyerezi Chintu and who claims his/her e-mail address is chinyerezi@aol.com. This cannot be independently confirmed by the people who run the GNR.

Bye for now Johannes.



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 16:57:02 (UTC)



My dear Swinton Jones,
I recieved this message today porporting to have been sent by a gentleman who says that he was in your domain in the 50's and as you can see is very interested in the the story I recalled about the the DC and the snake and requires some more information on the rather delicate subject, as I only heard the story second hand and canot add any thing more to it I wondered if you could bring more light on it seeing as you may have been the gentleman involved in this very sorry and I believe painful tale, or if not you, maybe some one that you were aquainted with maybe a visiting DC? any way If you can shed any more light on the subject would you please publish it on the Gnr then we can all here the conclusion to the story thank you,

Johannes Grun.

To: John Green
From: Chinyerezi Chintu

Message:

I am interested in the Chinsali Story about the 'snake'. I was in Chinsali as a boy in the 50s and would be interested to speak with any one who was there then. Perhaps you can help

Thanks
Chinyerezi Chintu









JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 16:45:46 (UTC)


Ken Miller......
Just loved your tale of the Marula wine.....
ah to be sure ......tis .....the nectar of the gods....
ah about time I bought some more......
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 16:23:56 (UTC)


SCHOOL DAZE ....... Marula Wine

As a boarder at St Stephen's College in the early 1960s, I participated in the weekly ritual of the dormitory inspection carried out each Friday morning by Marcus Munro the housemaster of Sanderson House.

As we stood next to our beds, Mr Munro would walk the length of the dorm, stopping to look under beds, and open lockers looking for contraband. He would then inspect the washroom area, before coming back into the dorm to deliver a damning eulogy extoling the fact that in all his years he had never witnessed such a shambles as he had evidenced during his inspection.

On one memorable occassion, during his eulogy, he complimented the dorm on an outstanding inspection, when he was interrupted by three explosions from the washroom area. The sound of shattered glass bouncing against metal filled the dormitory. He turned quickly towards the source of the noise, and looking up at the metal trunks stored over the concrete shower stall, witnessed a thick dirty cream substance roll hesitantly down the drab green concrete wall.

What had been a placid man just moments earlier, turned into a red faced ogre shouting and screaming orders for the trunks to be brought down. Then they were discovered, several bottles of a mysterious liquid and the three offending bottles that had been shattered by the violent explosions.The hunt was on for the culprits, heads would roll and a number of us would hear the snap of a bamboo cane as it cut through the air and feel the sting as it connected with our taut posteriors.

It became painfully apparent that in concocting our beverage of choice, an error had been made and perhaps greater attention should have been given in our chemistry or physics classes.

Wine making had become an underground cottage industry. We would gather up marulas, chop up the pulp and fill up old scotch or gin bottles, recycled from the dustbins found at the masters homes. Crushed up yeast tablets obtained by students from the sanitorium were added. Supposedly yeast helped in combating pimples and would restore one's complexion. Sugar that was smuggled from the dining room was also added to the mush. Then we waited for the mixture to ferment. After several weeks, the bravest of the brave would delicately open a bottle, take a short swig, choke, splutter and with tears in his eyes blurt out " man this is good" hoping that the assembled masses would consume the potent elexir before a second round.

What had gone wrong? After discussions with the more experienced vinters, we realised that our mistake was in securely placing the tops on the bottles. We alliviated the problem with our next batch of marula wine, by using rubber stoppers and glass tubing obtained from the chemistry labs, this allowed the pressurized gases from the fermentation to escape.

A more secure place was found to store our nectar of the gods, and was never found by our ever vigilant house master.

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 15:35:52 (UTC)


Brasso
I am all prepared to meet Cookie and Teresa for breakfast tomorrow morning (provided they don't lose their way between the airport and my office) and I shall send them off with names and phone numbers in case of any problems, maps of how to get to various places, tips of how to deal with the police at the myriad of road blocks they are going to travel through, details of where the speedtraps will be, special landmarks to look out for, where to buy food and where not to buy food and places to avoid - A crash course on being streetwise in Zambia.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 07:58:13 (UTC)


Cookie (Alan) & Teresa Brasso!

On the nite before U both begin your "Great Trek" from the UK to Zambia, Zimbabwe & SA on your honeymoon just a brief note from your older brother - have a great time and enjoy yourselves. Alan pass on my very best wishes to all family & friends in all the respective countries. Give Heather Chalcraft a very special BIG hug and kiss from me1 She is a wonderful lady!!!

Little Bigger Brother - Gary (aka Brasso).



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 22:00:11 (UTC)


Ken,

Thank you again for sharing your impressive knowledge of Zambian history. Conventioanl wisdom has it that Simon Zukas and his late friend were the first political prisoners in Northern Rhodesia. I am told by Simon Zukas however that he and his late friend were beaten to this honour by other politicians who were incarcerated in Livingstone. Would you know the names of these people?

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 21:59:06 (UTC)


Harry Nkumbula
I guess that we need to settle the argument by contacting Huston Barnes to validate Harry's astute political expertise.
He had enough TV discussions/Talk Shows with Harry to pass judgement!

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 19:26:09 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

Wise words indeed about living each day like it is your last. This is one of the major tennants of my philosophy on life.

Some seven years ago I was hit head-on by a car driver whilst riding my Ducati motorbike. I suffered horrific injuries which today control my life. A year later I witnessed the death of someone very close to me. I watched the pulse stop on his neck as the life faded from him.

These events have had a major impact on my life. Now, when I think about going somewhere on this insignificant silly planet, I just do it. That includes emigrating to another country to start another life.

Bottom line? Don't put anything off. Just do it.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave Cooper
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 18:36:11 (UTC)


Hi everyone,

Heard such sad news yesterday - for those of you who remember the Ansells from Broken Hill (Broken Hill Milling company) -Tony's parents, Tony's son, his son's wife and their two year old child were killed when their vehicle was hit by a "run away" truck" on 6th September, 2002. Ironic actually, because it was my sister Jennifer's birthday (she went out with Tony before marrying Gerrie Strydom).

I telephoned Jennifer in the UK to tell her this tragic news only to be told that her husband Gerrie was rushed into hospital that morning, with heart "failure". He's been assured by the doctors that the heart will heal though!!!

Like Tony said yesterday when he phoned me - just LIVE every day!!!

To Helen and Tony, there just aren't words that would heal the hurt you must be feeling - but know that we are there for you.

For those of you who would like to get in contact with Tony, email me and I'll give you his contact details.

........................ the sun is shining beautifully in Johannesburg and we're definitely going to have the 4:30 thunder storm.

Have a great weekend GNR's.

Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, November 08, 2002 at 12:41:46 (UTC)


CHISANGA .......

Kenneth Kaunda had an interest in boxing, however I do not believe that he in fact actually boxed.

With reference to Richard Hall's book " Kaunda Founder of Zambia" published by Longmans of Zambia, Hall mentions that both Harry Nkumbula and Kenneth Kaunda spent time in prison in 1955 for two months. They were incarcerated in the Central Prison in Lusaka and had been convicted of possesing prohibited literature. My father Tommy Miller was a Superintendent and Officer in Charge of the Prison.

In January 1960 Kaunda was released from prison having spent nine months. This was the second time he had been a guest of Her Majesty. Initially his time was spent in Lusaka, however he was transfered to Salisbury to serve the majority of his sentence.

All the best.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 22:17:52 (UTC)



Warning.
This is a copy of a an EM I have just sent to Elias please forgive me if any one else was unlucky enough to contract this one, Johnny.
Elias mate you were right I have just scanned 78,000 files and caught the devious little b---d If it will help you its name is HTML Mime Exploit Klez Dropper now destroyed I am sorry about it my friend and thanks for alerting me to its existence I will now have to put out a general warning that I was infected and reprimand the company that I pay good money to avoid these viruses thanks again Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 19:01:58 (UTC)


Ken Miller,

Thank you for the history. I had no idea that Mr. Kaunda (Kenny Kapenta to some)was a boxer. That may explain how he managed to knock the wind out of the Zambian economy so soon after taking power.

According to what I have read Mr. Kaunda was imprisoned at the Federal Prison in Salisbury. Was that a different stint of incarceration?

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 17:49:59 (UTC)


Hey .. all that about Harry .. gosh when I was a "teckie" with ZBC I once went to his house to deliver a letter, here is my story.

KK did Simon Kapwepwe really try to oust you, was me recording your address to the nation at ZBC just political gamesmanship … do tell, I know that Harry Nkombula had nothing to do with it, he had other problems. (Baccus do tell)

George TokarczykClick here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Thursday, November 07, 2002 at 06:20:50 (UTC)


"SIXTEEN CANDLES"***"SHE WAS ONLY SIXTEEN"***
******SWEET SIXTEEN*** SIXTEEN YEARS AGO A TINY RED HAIRED GREEN EYED GIRL ARRIVED******WOW HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALICE********
LOTS AND LOTS OF LOVE FROM YOUR MOM,JADE, LEAH XXXX
MAY YOU HAVE MANY MANY MORE

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 19:50:21 (UTC)



Dear Alice this was supposed to come to you in colour maybe your mam will be able to convert it for me Any way have a very Happy 16th birthday JOHNNY>xx



FONT SIZE="+2" COLOR="Red">

Alice

Happy Birthday




JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 16:28:14 (UTC)


Forgive me for my advancing years and memory lapses but I am sure I tipped Ipe Tombe to win the July some two months in advance and when there was value at 14/1?
As to the inclusion of Nkumbula, the matter is subjective. In my opinion he was more of a political force before independence. He may be regarded more as a Tambo then a Mandela. Considering current popularity polls he would have been a far wiser inclusion than the poison dwarf.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 15:12:39 (UTC)


Wow! Super to know that you've had rain, especially no later than 5th November!

Let's hope that the rains will do wonders for the land but not too much to cause any problems. Flood can be as bad as drought - so here's to bumper crops!!

Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 14:53:06 (UTC)


Like many of you I have fond memories of bonfire night in Kitwe all those years ago. Last night there were no fireworks in my suburb of Durbanville (25 km from Cape Town) apart from the attempted theft of the mag rims from a fellow Rotarian's new Merc. But that is another story! Our dogs and cat were therefore not stressed out at all.

Way back in Nkana we would spend all available pocket money on thunder flashes, catherine wheels, jumping jacks, rockets and Chinese 'lady' crackers buying such names as 'Standard' and 'Brocks Crystal Palace' from Standard Trading and Kitwe Stores. These would be counted daily after school and the handling they received probably resulted in the failure of many to ignite. One system I used in the days before the 5th was to place a lady cracker in the end of my pellet gun then quickly light the fuse and pull the trigger. The cracker would then explode above the roof level of our house. The first rains of the season were always associated with the flying ant arrival and this memory is interwoven with Guy Fawkes night.

Thanks for bringing back all those memories!

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 08:44:30 (UTC)


Johnny

Thank you for your edit of my birthday message to Jilly. We'll call it poetic licence or in your case poetic licentiousness.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, November 06, 2002 at 00:58:31 (UTC)


Being born in London on November 5th - Guy Fawkes night was a really big deal in our household too, Dave. It kind of makes your birthday special - and I can remember in England making a Guy and placing it on a cart and pulling it through the streets chanting "Penny for the Guy". With the proceeds we'd buy fireworks, and sometimes my Dad who was in the British Army, would give us some really loud, scary fire crackers and even parachute flares! A bonfire was essential to execute the Guy - and to keep us warm!

We had no fireworks tonight, but my husband arranged a really great surprise party for me at a restaurant called The Spotted Genet! We had a wonderful evening watching the fireworks going off around us.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 22:41:02 (UTC)


Oh the tension around November the fifth, with the adults desperate for the rains to break and the children equally deperate that they stayed away until after the fifth. The memory of my father in the garden under an umbrella trying to set off fireworks. Or the bonfires that were saturated and would'nt light. If the rains hadn't arrived then my mothers anxiety ( and probably the street's too) that we were going to set the whole of Nkoka Road ablaze. Happy days

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 22:01:21 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

Well to me, Guy Fawkes Night was always a big deal. I reckon you mob just didn't do it like the Cooper's on Geddes Street did!

After school or at twilight, us kids would dress up in fancy dress and go from house to house knocking on doors and weasling pennies out of the neighbours:

"Penny for a guy!
Penny for a guy!
If you haven't got a penny...
I'll stick you in the eye!"

None of this "sweety" crap. WE WANTED MONEY!

Then the fireworks, the bombfire, the braai, and the fun...

But many times, as Heather says... the rain!

Remember! Remember!
The Fifth of November!
Gunpowder! Treason! And Plot!

What fun! I hear the crack and pop of fireworks here in Derbyshire on this Guy Fawkes Night, 2002, and I am taken back to those days in Northern Rhodesia. The only thing missing is the smell of the wors on the braai!

Ag, shame.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

DAWIE VAN DER BLIKSEM

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 17:54:20 (UTC)


Northerners
For those of you who believe that the rains always start on the 5th, I thought I should just tell you that we are in the middle of a heavy downpour, with all the accompanying lightning and thunder. This is not the first storm of the season - we had our first real one last Tuesday evening but it's wonderful all the same.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 14:40:34 (UTC)



Dear Tina, I noted this little note with advice therein for Jilly

Jilly - Have a great birthday. Hope it's warm and wonderful and your Curly Coated Rexes purrrrrr extra loud. The best for the coming year and in your Game Guarding may you always run much faster than anything hungry or annoyed with large horns except Johnny Green.
Thank you for thinking of me Tina. Love Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 10:27:47 (UTC)



Mrs Chalcroft.

Dear DonorI have just read your headlines on cyclids, I would like to tell you that those strange places you mention are not the only places that have them, I am a standard 4 school boy living in Wusikili and here we have plenty of these and they are in various colours there is some called BSA but most of them are called Raleigh and I myself posess a ladies model given to me by my older sister if you have one to make a present to me I will come and collect it when ever you tell me, Sank you Madam, Joseph Mkanda age 21.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 10:18:37 (UTC)



Jilly - Have a great birthday. Hope it's warm and wonderful and your Curly Coated Rexes purrrrrr extra loud. The best for the coming year and in your Game Guarding may you always run much faster than anything hungry or annoyed with large horns or teeth.

Elias - Belated Happy Birthday. I imagine all you have to to blow out your birthday candles living in the frozen north as you do is hold the cake out the window for a moment. Take care of yourself. Wrap up warm. No kilt wearing until next summer.


Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 08:51:42 (UTC)



Dear Swinton Jones
I remember hearing a story about a DC from Chinsali who took his district officer and went off to lecture a local chief on what her majesty expected of him on her impending visit to his area of domain,no nudidity, and no visible drunkeness etc, they pitched there tent a little way from the village and got the askaris to unpack and set up the table for dinner for the two of them in the tent, after an excellent repast they proceeded to demolsh a bottle of single malt, after the bottle was close to empty the DC left the tent to relieve himself and in his confused state forgot to return his appendage and as he sat down again it lodged on the table, the district officer who was in a similar state of intoxication shouted MY GOD A SNAKE and stabbed it with a fork, the DC screamed out my God stab it again it has bitten me, I notice that among your decorations the word SCAR is prominent which promps the question were you the gentleman involved?.

Yours inquisitivly Johannes Grun.











JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 08:21:59 (UTC)


Lake Tanganyika

Ooops! I forgot to mention that Isanga Bay is home to a few species of cichlids:

)Asprotilapia Leptura Isanga

Aulonocranus Dewindti Isanga

Cyathopharynx Furcifer Isanga

Cyathopharynx Furcifer Isanga

)Julidochromis Ornatus Isanga

Lamprologus Ocellatus with fry Isanga

Other Zambian cichlids come from Nkamba Bay, Cape Chaitika, Kasaba Bay, Cape Kachese and various other places. The export of cichlids is a growing industry in Zambia, providing much needed employment for those who live on the shores of Lake Tanganyika.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 06:24:27 (UTC)


Thanks Ali - and as for you Linda - don't you go think I have only memories just because I am a grande dame of 50!

This is for Linda - sorry I can't do it all pretty

THERE IS A BLONDE WOMAN NAMED JILLY
WHO THINKS LINDA'S TERRIBLY SILLY
THE FACT THAT JILL'S OLDER, HAS MADE HER MUCH BOLDER
AND THE MEN STILL CHASE WILLY NILLY!

Love ya, Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 05:22:24 (UTC)


*********JILLY*********

......HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND LOTS OF LOVE FROM
ALI, ALICE , JADE AND LEAH.......OH AND THE FOUR LEGGED ONES OF THE FAMILY AND THE FEATHERS AS WELL......XXXXXXXX




Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 00:32:26 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JILL APLIN!
MANY HAPPY MEMORIES WITH YOU, MY PAL!

Here is a birthday limerick for you:
>
There once was a maiden named Jill
Who chased all the blokes up the hill
Now she's too old to play, and they've all run away
But her memories linger on still.


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 22:56:51 (UTC)


Northeners,
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America we get boerwors from the Cape Dutch Bakery in Accokeek Maryland, our beautiful, genetically modified corn meal I buy from the local store,and then fire up the barbeque (braai). I personally like to eat the wors with my right hand and the nshima with my left hand. Beauty, and etiquette is in the eye of the beholder. I wonder if Elias ever had pap 'n wors? Maize is indigenous to America is it not?
Cheers Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 22:52:01 (UTC)


HARRY MWAANGA NKUMBULA .......

Certainly a name from the past, I have a copy of a biography written by Goodwin Mwangilwa, and seeing Harry Nkumbula's name made me look up the book and it will be one of the books that I will read during the cold Canadian winter nights.

In 1954 Nkumubla, like so many commonwealth leaders spent time in prison learning political science, I believe it was much later that this became a university subject. My Dad, Tommy Miller was the Superintendent in charge of the Central Prison in Lusaka. Many other Zambian politicians including Kenneth Kaunda were Dad's guests.

K.K had an interest in boxing and had helped Dad obtain funding to promote amateur boxing. Although Dad had been out of the Prison Service for several years, when Zambia was preparing for Independence, K.K. asked Dad to head up the Zambian Prison Service, Dad declined the offer and the rest is history.

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 22:50:57 (UTC)


Hi All

The story of Hanshi (Karate) Steve Arneil who lived in NR from 1944 to 1959 approximately can be found at

http://www.uskyokushin.com/hanshi.htm

Regards

Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 22:21:27 (UTC)


Elias Georgopoullos
Elias, do you still require me to give a more detailed account of the incident that your Dad witnessed regarding Findlay Bisset giving Soapy Mennen Williams a Knuckle Sandwich at Lusaka Airport??
Regards
Bill


Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 19:14:42 (UTC)


Chris Swart

You political ratings are almost as bad as your horse racing 'hot tips".
Harry Nkumbula the "Father of African Nationalism" does not even get a mention!!
regards
Bill

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 18:33:37 (UTC)


At last getting round to the photos I took on my trip to Lake Tanganyika ...

For those of you who remember Jim Smith, you will remember he is a real bushman. Unfortunately because I travel mostly on my own, I can't afford to be a bushman and always go well prepared, with backup for everythng, so it made a pleasant change going with Jim

This view through the windscreen will give you an idea of what I mean - see the pieces of tape we stuck on to stop pieces of glass falling onto our laps. And it was not surprising that the cop at Mpika was concerned about it. However, he very kindly gave us a letter to present to any other cops informing them that we had reported the state of our windscreen to him and that they should not be concerned on our behalf but should instead let us pass quickly.

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The trip up to Lake Tanganyika was uneventful and the first stop (apart from a night in Kasama) was Zambia's only port, Mpulungu,

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where we were keenly watched by various spectators whilst we loaded the boat

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We stayed at Isanga Bay, a new lodge on Lake Tanganyika, owned by the Smith family. I cannot describe how beautiful it was there and how much I enjoyed the week. Here is a selection of photos of some of the things we did and some of the things we saw

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And the skiing was keenly watched by those who live in the village nearby

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when they should have been mending their fishing net

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We had a good view of Crocodile Island and looking at its silhouette, one can see how it got its name

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We did have one small accident - Dick Smith cut his hand badly with an angle grinder, but that was easily sorted out with a bottle of Scotch - the wound was disinfected with Scotch, Jim's hands were disinfected with Scotch before treating the wound, Dick was treated internally with Scotch and that evening we continued the internal treatment.

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The week would not have been complete without an encounter with a snake, a brown house snake

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Food was an entirely different matter for this was left in my hands. But we did have some Bush Oranges, the fruit of the Strychnos Cocculoides tree,

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delicious even with my failed caramel sauce and some mangos, both of which are seen here being prepared by Jim

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and you will be pleased to note that mangos are still picked in the time-honoured way

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The trip back was an entirely different matter - three punctures, with the second one giving us some trouble with getting the tyre off the rim, but this was easily solved

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This was after we had given some Sunday morning entertainment to those strolling along the Great North Road

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and after we had almost found ourselves in a thicket of buffalo beans

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All in all an enjoyable trip.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 15:20:10 (UTC)


Rich Njovu,

Thank you for that cultural check-in on customs in Zambia. These are very important things. I know this from living in many places in the world, and from my studies in anthropology at university. For example, in Nederland, where I live normally, salutation, greetings, and acknowledgement are how the Dutch can easily distinguish visitors from natives. For example, you should always salute as you enter a restaurant or establishment (that means a hearty "Goeie morgen!" or whatever time of the day), when ordering you say please, and when receiving it you say thankyou. And when leaving you say goodbye.

I notice few English and American tourists to Nederland at least conform to these rules. Then they wander why they get treated rudely. Hello!

Your advice is well taken, and before I return to Zambia next year for the reunion, I will reflect on this. Especially the business of hugging and kissing in public and the use of fornames and surnames.

By the way, aren't you from (or did you live in) the Katete region? Did I spell that correctly? What can you tell us about living there?

Welcome to the GNR.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave Cooper
Founder

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 12:41:08 (UTC)


Elias ...

Apologies for the spelling of your name .... ever thought about calling yourself Smith. Hell don't do that, life would be to easy for the rest of us.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY OLD PAL!!!

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 02:29:36 (UTC)


ELIAS GEORGOPOLLUS ...

Have received the following from your old pal Reggie. To avoid e-mails from our friendly bankers on the West coast of Africa, I have altered the e-mail addresses.

Read Message Back to: Inbox

From: "Reginald Swinton-Jones"
Date: 2002/11/03 Sun PM 08:47:04 EST
To: kenmillerottawa@xxxxxx.ca
Subject: Elias Georgopollus

(Choose Folder) SentMail Trash

My Dear Miller,

It has been a frightfully long time since I tried to send a dispatch to the GNR Board. I have tried several times to send a message and it would appear I have been lumped in with those Nigerian bankers and I just cannot for the life of me seem to post a message.

I notice that our good friend Elias Georgopollus is in the middle of a major indaba. Georgopollus is quite the bounder, however I must admit to liking the young chap despite the fact he appeared in front of me as chief magistrate in Chinsali for photographing nubile young
African girls, for I believe National Geographic. The publicatioin is American although Georgopollus stated it was operated by the United NationalIndependence Party.

After several gin and "T's" and in consultation with my house boy Tembo Chipalata, I would urge Georgopollus to return and contribute to the annals of the GNR. The man is demented, who else would confess to being a Greek Cypriot born in Northern Rhodesia albeit in Petauke and now living in a croft in the Highlands of Scotland. He is after all British and by golly we should give the scoundral a second chance.

I remain in Her Britannic Majesty's service, her humble and obedient servant in her Golden Jubilee.

Reginald Swinton-Jones, O.B.E., D.S.O. and Scar, R.S.V.P
District Commissioner, Chinsali


_______________________________________________________________
http://www.webmail.co.za/ the South-African free email service





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Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 02:26:10 (UTC)


Supporting Linda , Gordon , Patrick , Johnny and Dave C ( I believe).

If this site compells someone like Elias to leave because of some weird rules , then the site is not going to last very long . You need to retain the characters , quirky as they may be .

Remember how Zambia was , and is ,filled with strident self achievers - from Latvia , Lithuania , Greece , Cyprus , India , Portugal , South Africa ,Scotland etc etc . So lets not be a bunch of old maids and cut people them off because they arent PC today .

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
London and Univ Maryland USA, England
Monday, November 04, 2002 at 00:22:48 (UTC)


Elias
I don't know if you are still reading without posting, but just wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday today.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 21:01:22 (UTC)


Zambian Etiquette
Many of you will be preparing for Mrs Chalcraft's reunion in Zambia. I am sure that some you will have become "Westernised" and forgotten some quirks which are important to Zambian culture. Here are a few reminders:-

Greetings always start with a handshake and the customary "How are you?". Kissing and hugging a Zambian in public as a form of greeting creates embarrassment .

Patience, when in Zambia be as patient as you can.

Adultsin Zambia always address each other by their last name as Mr Banda or Mr Phiri. All classes. rich or poor, educated or uneducated, villager or urban dweller, employee or subordinate, use this.
Addressing or calling them aloud by their first name is considered disrespectful. You only call young children by their first name.

Nshima is always eaten with the ONE right hand. Both hands are never used although Westerners and other foreigners will be given knives and forks if the host notices they are having difficulty as freshly cooked nshima is always served sizzling hot.
To eat it properly gently mould a rough lump of nshima into a beautiful ball and dip into the idiwo or relish before eating.

The best strategy to have when you visit Zambia is to be patient. Either look around or ask, observe and wait, see how other people do things. By all means avoid what some typical Western tourists do. " When in Zambia do what the WESTERNERS do."
Zambians are some of the friendliest people in Zambia and have a subtle sense of humour, which I see some writers here have the same. Enjoy your stay.
Njovu

Thank you my kinsman and namesake from Bridgewater College. Dr M.S. Tembo, Associate Prof. of Sociology for your guidance.

Rich NjovuClick here to contact me
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 17:27:20 (UTC)





"FREE ELIAS!...FREE ELIAS!...FREE ELIAS!"

Patrick SampsonClick here to contact me
Fremont, California, United States
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 15:58:54 (UTC)


Also check out the Times of Swaziland,

http://www.times.co.sz/

Another favourite site of myn is,

http://www.freespeling.com/

Where are all the other nuts on this site hiding? Come on Dog Lottie and the District Commissioner of Chinsali. Upi Wena?

Well we have just finished the braai so I think I will stagger over to the pool and fall in, and have a cold gin and jungle juice.

Jungle Juice Recipe

Take 6 oranges & 2 lemons, squeeze out the juice and put it together with the shells into a large pot. Add 3 litres cold water and 500gr sugar and bring to the boil. Simmer for 30 minutes then allow to cool. Pour thru sieve into 5 empty 2 litre Oros bottles and dilute with water to fill the bottles. Chill! Goes down well alone or with a tot of brandy or gin. When using gin, never forget to add a slice of lemon otherwise you will be shot at dawn!

Cheeaarrsh - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 15:05:49 (UTC)


Greetings from the Swazi Ambassador to the GNR.

For the latest info about his Majesty's 10th wife go to

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/

I wish Elias would return to the GNR.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 14:46:39 (UTC)


Choose the ten most influential Zambians of the last century or rather Independence would be my new topic and not in any order would be
Kenneth Kaunda
Fredrick Chiluba
Simon Kapwepwe
Godfrey "Ucar" Chitalu
Kalusha Bwalya
Lottie Mwale
Samuel Matete
Archbishop Milingo
Alice Lenshina
Keith "Spinks" Mwila



Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 13:39:10 (UTC)


I have not lost my touch for finding the second box with Ice Cube being backed from 12/10 to 1/4 and losing narrowly.Luckily my tom wasnt on nor yours.
No funds arrived as yet.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 11:47:10 (UTC)


Hi Mark

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK and many, many more.

With best wishes from

Ada and Chris

Ada Cantrell (née Wienand)Click here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 09:25:17 (UTC)


Arthur.
Sorry about the repeats, message did not clear please delete
thanks johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 07:33:03 (UTC)



Gordon I can only think you are trying stinging him into a reply on this site I hope you are successful, but be careful he knows where you live Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 07:27:58 (UTC)



Gordon I can only think you are trying stinging him into a reply on this site I hope you are successful, but be careful he knows where you live Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 07:27:40 (UTC)



Gordon I can only think you are trying stinging him into a reply on this site I hope you are successful, but be careful he knows where you live Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 07:26:47 (UTC)



Chris only picked out your message to late ,did it win?
Have you recieved my few dollars Yet?
Regards to you and Lisa Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 07:21:38 (UTC)


ELIAS PUPOLOPOLOUS GONE - I don't believe it
all I can day is BUMMER - I guess he did not know much about Petauke or Lusaka so we will maybe survive?


Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Sunday, November 03, 2002 at 01:05:09 (UTC)


Johnny and Gordon,

Actually, Elias removed himself from the GNR. He was not pushed.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, November 02, 2002 at 20:46:57 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK POWELL FOR TOMORROW!!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, November 02, 2002 at 17:26:50 (UTC)


The good thing today is in the first race at Newmarket, South Africa. My trackside informant tells me that Ice Cube is going to chill the opposition first timers. Anyone that has a punt knows where to put a small bit of the returns.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, November 02, 2002 at 09:08:41 (UTC)



Gordon I Think he has been excommunicated for infringing the rules section 93 of chapter 44 which says thou shalt not infringe the rules especially of section 93 and under no account of chapter 93 hope this explains every thing to you Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 02, 2002 at 07:10:35 (UTC)


Northerners,
Has enybody seen or heard from my buddy Elias? My computer crashed so I bought a new one but lost all my addresses. If anyone knows if he is alive and well please contact me at my old address.
cheers Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Friday, November 01, 2002 at 23:18:44 (UTC)


Hi Johnny,

Interesting - the Livingstone Love In - maybe 30 years ago! I mean it was definitely the Kariba Kanoodle in those days, but seldom did we go to Livingstone... so I never really thought about it, but I urge everyone to try and make it to Livingstone next year - it should be a real Lark!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, November 01, 2002 at 21:03:46 (UTC)



Heather

I thought Jill might have called it THE LIVINGSTONE LOVE IN
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 01, 2002 at 15:55:30 (UTC)


Reunion in Zambia
Livingstone Lark
(so named by Jill Masterton)

When? 26th - 28th September 2003
Where?Livingstone

Please let me know (by email) if you are interested in attending. Further details to follow after I have been to Livingstone (next week hopefully)


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, November 01, 2002 at 08:53:28 (UTC)



Bob Yes I remember the sunshine girls very well there were 50 of them on the Edinburgh Castle when I came out in 58 and were all great sports and made the trip memorable, this was in August and I wonder if any of them read the GNR today
if you do come on lets hear from you. Regards Johnny.






JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 01, 2002 at 07:00:31 (UTC)


Debbie Radford, Margaret Black
Happy Birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, November 01, 2002 at 06:16:46 (UTC)


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