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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added selected items from Zambia Magazine June 1966 - New Road Transport Service to Dar-es-Salaam, First Major General of Zambian Army, USA and Canada Airlifts End, Private Visit of Seretse Khama, John Mwanakatwe - Minister of Education. See Brian Barratt's section.
Added two more Kabwe theatrical contributions from Gil Wilson to his section - 'Dick Whittington' and 'Variety Arms - Clubnite 71'.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 17:47:45 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added three items to Roy Williams' material - see his section 'From Roy's Archives'.
1/ Game Conservation for Protein Production in the Mweru Marsh Game Reserve
2/ Conservation of Lechwe for Native Nutrition in Northern Province
3/ A Study of Land Tenure on the Lake (Tanganyika) Shore
Whilst these are very interesting documents, it must be admitted that the quality of the scans from these old originals means that tey will be quite demanding to read.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 15:51:46 (UTC)
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Wilma Wall
I see that my last message was one of those trashed by the server recently, so here goes with a sort of repeat.
Your brother, George Henry and I, trained together for our fisrt jump. It was Kitwe that we managed to find a plane.... a Piper Tripacer. We all toddled off there from Mufulira and I happened to be first up. We had been trained to: look up at the canopy to see it was OK, then swtich off the altimeter operated automatic opener for the reserve. It was a .22 cartridge in a casing that blew the pin out. Anywya, theres 'muggins' up and out. Looked up, yeah OK. whew! Forgot and lo and behold, bang at 1200 feet above ground, so I came down with the reserve between my legs as I had grabbed it to prevent it opening. The problem was - there was only one in the entire N.R. So poor old George and all of us had to wait another 6 weeks till we got a replacement from the States. I did my second and G his first. We all had a good laugh when he landed in trees.
Not the state of skydiving training these days let me tell you.
Anyway, please give him my est when you next talk.
Bill
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 15:18:29 (UTC)
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The longest price of the three wins and the others run below par. Scented samantha was a 5/1 chance.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 14:47:17 (UTC)
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The Springbok Coach Rudolph Straeuli has been locked up after being caught breaking into a cigarette machine - he was looking for 20 Players......
Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 14:04:41 (UTC)
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Chris Swart...
For the first time ever I have been able to bet on your tips at William Hill. The money I have saved for my eight childrens Xmas presents this year is in your hands with three doubles and a treble....
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 11:25:41 (UTC)
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This weeks tips
Ferraris stable fancy at Turfontein
Race 2 Scented Samantha
Race 4 Double Danzig
Race 6 Token Power
Should make a good treble
Punters can bet in the Uk on SA Racing through Eurobet or Ukbetting.
Know where to put the proceeds
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 08:38:49 (UTC)
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Hello there you lot.
THIS IS A MESSAGE FOR SARKY AURTHER.
WELCOME BACK, having met the little ray of sunshine at the
bash, (I might add he is really a very nice man). I for one am very glad to see his return.
For Dave. I have had my fingers crossed, it would be great to have you back "thuis hier in Nederland.!!!!
Well I will end now and speak to you all soon.
Love to you all Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 22:17:32 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Before you finalise the new-look GNR site you and the other members of the Politburo might consider finding a place on the home page for Mike Wilson's great picture of the fish eagle (www4.greatnorthroad.org/gnr/bboard/0211/fisheagle.jpg).
John Whitham — Click here to contact me
Windsor, England
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 12:16:59 (UTC)
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Northerners
Images waiting to be posted on the Message Board
Due to technical reasons images cannot be uploaded to the server until after the 3rd December – I will post all the waiting ones soon after that. Promise.
To clear up some misunderstanding by a few members – the Whittemore family are not related to mine, the recent bereavement in my family was due to the loss of my sister in law who died very suddenly. I do not know the Whittemore’s personally.
I will let you all know soon how much has been raised for the Whittemore children.
I am also behind with the CD’s and will get the outstanding orders out next week too.
Elias removed himself from the Membership and ran off. He was not compelled to leave. He was playing Russian roulette and blew his own ear off.
The matter of posting a link to all that obscenity was a big mistake on his part, yes people have said others should skip over things if they don’t like them – but I got annoyed big time because I do not appreciate receiving loads of complaining e-mails about what somebody else posted. I have better things to do on a weekend.
Infringement of copyright is also a serious matter as it can put the site in jeopardy.
I have just received an e-mail with a sort of peace offering from the Elias, I miss him myself (a tiny bit), but I think I will keep him on the rack for another week or so because I enjoy being vindictive as well as sarcastic. It will also give him more time to save up; I cannot possibly be bought with such a small peace offering. He may e-mail you all for a whip round, so be generous he needs it.
Dave, Heather, Craig (when he has had a spare moment) and I are currently working with a top-notch web designer Craig has recruited – she is doing a fantastic job on the new GNR website for FREE.
Much progress has been made with most of the framework completed and tested out. We are now at the point of completing the graphical look and feel of the site, just the arguing stage to sort out now.
So we are making big steps in getting nearer to the long awaited revamped GNR – and only interrupted now and again.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 11:59:21 (UTC)
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Johnny ....
how did you get the scores........???? ......there was a lot of hot air last week regarding the FANTASTIC SPRINGBOKS on the message board...did it blow over here.....
seems to affected the English cricket team a bit...hehehe
I can tell you it is a laugh a minute...hehehe....good sitting on the fence........
oh and by the way THE FANTASTIC FABULOUS, WILL BE BACK....!!!!
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:55:36 (UTC)
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A very Happy Birth Day CHRIS HAYES and may you live for ever and may I never die. Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:10:56 (UTC)
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Jilly in that case Kathy must have been crying with Joy.
Love Johnny.
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I have just seen the latest cricket scores and can only think that our captain Hussein is taking instructions from his dad Sadaam.
That is all I am going to print about cricket the subject is closed.
Regards Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 09:06:57 (UTC)
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CHRIS HAYES......
HAPPY 15TH BIRTHDAY TO YOU FROM US DOWNUNDER
LOTS OF LOVE AND WISHES
FROM
ALIX, ALICE ,JADE AND LEAH......
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 07:24:07 (UTC)
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THANK YOU..........
To the people who sent me Buffday and birthday wishes.....thanks a million........really appreciated them.....lets hope this next 12 months is much better than the last for all of us....
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 07:21:00 (UTC)
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!ilA yadhtriB yppaH
Jade would want me to put it like that and anyway you're in the Southern Hemisphere so messages and bathwater go round the other way.
Love,
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, November 29, 2002 at 01:39:23 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Funny you should say that - Kathy is an England supporter - one of your greatest fans, in fact!
Jilly X X
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 19:39:19 (UTC)
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Craig
Don't worry at all about losing some of Johnny's messages. He's having a field day rubbing salt in the wounds. How many bottles of gin would it take to bribe you to remove them all. I am not expecting much success, after all we couldn't even bribe the ref properly.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 17:25:13 (UTC)
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Cor blimey, I didn't realise that my posting a message would a/ cause the censor to act
b/ cause the whole server to crash
I can't remember what I wrote, but it was a ditty about my sister in law who left Murrayfield in tears 10 minutes before the end of the game there. It took at least 10 G&T's to get her even to talk. My poor brother was denied conjugal rites for a whole week. Then Twickenham happened, now he's seriously concerned. Maybe if he stopped gloating.
Neil.
P.S. In spite of ALL the rain we've had, Scotland were still watering the pitch!!!!!
Neil Smith — Click here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 13:40:17 (UTC)
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Dear Heather after perusing your pics again of the Sandton Wake I note that Kathy Barnett is actually crying into her soup poor girl, but I would imagine that she made up the deficiency of liquid in her body after she saw the final score. Love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:43:57 (UTC)
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Happy Birth Day to Mrs MONET KEYS Alias Alix and may you have many More. Love Jhnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:33:40 (UTC)
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Happy Birth Day to my dear friend MELANIE BOUSFIELD and don't walk into any door frames to day.
Love Johnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:29:32 (UTC)
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Northerners
It is I, and not Craig, who should be apologising for the board being down, because it was my email account that was receiving the enormous emails.
But I don't like to take the blame for anything, so I am going to wriggle out of this and blame Mark Harvey - it was his photographs that caused the problem. Now what punishment would be suitable??
Craig
Will a case of gin be enought to pay for my sins?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 07:04:12 (UTC)
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Alix,
Happy birthday - have a lovely day down under.
Lotsa Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 06:42:00 (UTC)
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Linda,
Thanks, and sorry I haven't replied to your e-mail yet, but now you know why. :)
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:48:54 (UTC)
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Dear Johnny
Thank you, that did bring a smile to my face. That's my idea of heaven "a dog that supports the Bokke" - two of the great loves of my life.
Viv
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) — Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:39:22 (UTC)
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Craig
Thanks so much for all your hard work to get the board up and running again. Sounds like you have had a nightmare to deal with. You are very much appreciated!!
Alix
Happy Birthday from Linda and the Hayes Clan.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:29:30 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday mum love always your eldest daughter Alice. Hope you have a good day mummy. Lots of love Leah.happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear mummy happy birthday to you
have a nice day love jezzabelle
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:20:41 (UTC)
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Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I figure I should explain the situations that have caused the message board to be unavailable so much for the last couple of days.
First of all, there was the server upgrade which affected all accounts on this server equally. The server wasn't down for the full six hours, but was down intermittently during that period. Then there was some cleaning up to do before the GNR (and several other sites) was functioning properly.
Then there was a message posted which gave a very unclear picture of someone's personal situation, which was immediately responded to by someone else and caused some embarrassment. At the request of those two people I immediately deleted the messages in question to avoid further misunderstandings. However, I was not able to put the message board back right away, so it was down for several hours.
Today, to compound all of my problems, the server was bombarded by message after message with large attachments, which quickly ate up the free disk space on the server. (Coincidentally, one of the new features installed after the upgrade will give me the ability to stop this from happening again.) This caused no end of headaches for me and the other clients on this server. Unfortunately, one of the side effects of this situation was that, while someone was posting a message here, the entire message board for November was lost because there was no space for it. The good news is that there was a back-up copy which (as you can see below) means that most of November's messages are still available. However, messages posted since the back-up was made were lost. I don't remember them all, but there were probably about five or six and I know that messages posted by Johnny Green and Neil Smith were two of the lost posts.
Hopefully this will be it for now, otherwise I'm going to have to look up a particular district commissioner to check if he's well stocked with G&T!
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 05:06:50 (UTC)
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Four messages deleted at the request of the two posters.
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Johnny, just a quick note of support to let you know that you're not alone.
Funny how when the boks (and All-Blacks and Aussies)were beating England in days gone by it was the highlight of their season, and now they're losing, they're at the end of a long,hard season.......... diddums!!!!!!
One of the online SA newspapers headlines was 'Boks battered to biltong'....wherever that is.
Still in smug mode.
Neil.
Neil Smith — Click here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 23:00:04 (UTC)
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Well I have been quiet for a while. But having seen Mr. Knotts message, I feel I have to explain about my brother George and his short Parachuting career.
He did a lot of training and when the day arrived for him to take his jump,(my mum was in our garden when she saw this fool jump out of a plane and saw that his shute did not open.) Goerge managed to open his emergency one and landed in a tree. Ernie Matachek? was seen in the back of a landrover with a brandy in a glass being driven out of the flying club looking for george who had landed in a tree.
There was this young african man about to chop down the tree, when he suddenly heard this crash and there was my bro hanging in this tree. The young man threw himself down on the ground and started praying Bwana Jesus, Bwana Jesus.
Needless to say that when young Ernie arrived there was not much brandy left in the glass. After Goerge arrived home my mum asked George who was the blxxxxxyfool that jumped without a parachut. You can imagine her shock.
Goerge then went out that afternoon to play a rugby match and came home with a rather large black eye.
Well folks my holiday in SA is getting near. I will be off to SA on the 23rd of December and will be in natal for two weeks and then off to the cape area for about a week. So if anyone ones to get together please do get in touch.
We will be in Joburg from the 13th to 14th January, will be staying in a hotel near the airport. Should anyone want to come and see us or meet us somewhere please let me know.
Well I will end now, by the way Bill did you know Georges friend Gino I think his name was he did about 200 jumps and then was killed in a car crash in Mufulira.
Bye for now and hope to hear from you lot again.
Lots of Love, yours as always Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 21:32:35 (UTC)
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Jilly You know I'm always excited.
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Wilkie you say you English supporters as if you arn't one?
But Im afraid we can't win em all and the hammering we are taking down under we have got used to over the years, but we can take it, but when we beat the Bokkes that is some thing else. regards Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 21:00:19 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar and other air phanatics,
Sorry to hear that some yahoo scared you and you didnt get to learn t fly. Hmmm. It may be that its a sink or swim thing and one can ease into it or dive.
In 1956 I had the chance to go to Kitwe with the Muf school Principal- name?? as my Mom was asst/vice whatever and he had to bring a Chipmunk back to Muf for the Flying Club. So mouthy son here went along for his first ride. The Chippie is a small two seater aerobatic(Canadain, tho I didnt knoiw that), and the way to speak with the pilot was through a tube from the rear(me) to the front(him. Neato, thought I and off we went. Up to 6000 and toddling along to Muf over the bush, me straining to look out and not recognising a thing except the Muf/Kitwe/Nchanga interesction. He asked if I was OK.
"Yo" said I or words to that effect. Like yes sir. " Do you want to have fun" "Oh, I can take anything" says I, having read all of Biggles books and scads of WW2 stuff aout Spitfires etc.
Over we go into a roll. Yipes! Up into a Hammerhead. Double!! "You Ok" "YeEAHH!)Loops, all the stuff he could throw.
I wanted to get out and hang around up in the air forever. He then tried to shake me up as the lippy son of his fellow teacher. No go, bozo, could take anything, as I was now imaging Gerries everywhere. Rat a tat tat etc.
Anyway, that feeling stayed with me for the next 6 years, with no chance to go up again, until I found out that there was some training for a skydiving club happening on the Copperbelt. For the next 3 months I hitched from Chingola where I was U/G to Muf, once a week. I packed about 80 parachutes before I finally got to jump my first. That, and my second with George, brother of Wilma Wall in the Netherlands, is another of a long string of stories.
Stayed with the sport for 24 years, jumped more than 20 countries etc etc etc.
Good fun.
blah blah blah.
Cheers,
Bill
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 20:49:54 (UTC)
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Glenda Fenwick,
What about Kathy, Lynthia and Jill also looking good???
We were looking a bit down in the mouth because the bar was showing the Manchester United game instead of the rugby!
He! He! Only joking - at least Johnny got excited!
Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 19:54:04 (UTC)
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Before all you English supporters get too euphoric, you should maybe remember that the boks only had 14 players for most of the match. At least Scotland played their whole team. I also notice that little mention is being made about the cricket.
Gilbert Wilson — Click here to contact me
Loughborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 19:05:58 (UTC)
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Dear Viv I hope this manages to bring a smile to your beautiful face,Johnny
Subject: The Bokke
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> A guy walks into a pub with a dachshund under his arm. The dog is wearing
> a "Springbok" jersey and cap and is festooned with little "Springbok"
> flags.
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> The bartender says, "Hey! No pets are allowed in here! You'll have to
> leave!" The guy begs him, "Look, I'm desperate. We're both big fans, the
> TV at home is broken, and this is the only place around here where we can watch the game!"
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> After securing a promise that the dog will behave, and warning him that heand the dog will be thrown out if there's any trouble, the bartender
> relents and allows them to stay in the bar and watch the game.
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> The big game begins with the "Bokke" receiving the kick-off. They speed off down field and immediately score a penalty. With that the dog jumps up on the bar, gets onto his hind legs and begins walking up and down giving
> high-fives to everyone.
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> The bartender says, "Wow, that is the most amazing thing I've ever seen!
> What does the dog do if they score a try?"
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> The owner replies, "I don't know, I've only had him for a year."
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Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 17:36:08 (UTC)
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Hartley Heaton
Roger Ward has emailed me to say that Peter Hedges was a director of CBC Zambia in the mid-late 60's, based in Ndola. Sadly, he died in a car accident. He was a keen sailor and Roger remembers him at Muf' dam.
Vivienne
It was wonderful meeting all of your as well. Next time I am down there, I will finalise my plans earlier and I'll make sure there is no rugby match on at the same time.
Gil Wilson
Have just seen the message that you posted sometime ago. I don't remember a photo of the rugby club in Kabwe, but will trawl through my computer and see if I can find anything. If not, I'll have to take one next time I'm in Kabwe.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 15:36:23 (UTC)
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Doug and Johnny
You are being too kind - most of us look morbid, not sad and more than a little bit "under the weather" and that was before the game even started!!! We must have sensed what was to come, but needless to say we had a great time with Heather Chalcraft and were very glad of the chance to meet her, she is a super lady.
Heather
Thanks for taking the time and the trouble to arrange the get together - look forward to catching up with you in Zambia in September 2003.
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) — Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 13:08:04 (UTC)
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Upgrade still in progress. Test post. Sorry for the inconvenience. Please resume your speed.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 12:27:31 (UTC)
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[NinerNet] Upgrade of Tier II Hosting Server
Dear NinerNet hosted client,
The upgrade that we promised back in August will be carried out this week. There were some security concerns that needed to be worked out before implementation.
This will be an extensive upgrade to some core functionality on the server. Therefore your server will be down during most of a pre-established, six-hour maintenance window lasting from 9:00 pm to 3:00 am, Pacific time (5:00 am to 11:00 am GMT). The specific window during which this upgrade will occur will start on the evening of either Monday, November 25, Pacific time (early morning Tuesday, November 26, GMT), or Tuesday, November 26, Pacific time (early morning Wednesday, November 27, GMT).
During the upgrade your site will be completely unavailable, although we will work to keep the outage to a minimum. Incoming mail will not be lost, as it will be queued pending the reactivation of the server. We will notify you via e-mail when the upgrade is complete.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact us by replying to this message. Thanks very much for your patience as we work to upgrade the services that we provide to you.
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Craig Hartnett
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 00:20:51 (UTC)
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Tina
I agree with you it could not have been Elias. He was never 'mean' as you say. "We" was hopping to conclusions again!
Angelos Rossous
Andy, send me an email. I have been trying to sent you Xmas greetings but it returns "unroutable address" so maybe you have changed your address?
Johnny
I think the photos must have been taken after the match!
Heather
Thanks for the sad faces, anyway!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 22:23:00 (UTC)
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Oh boy! real seat time on a computer. Oh boy! oh boy! oh boy! Mine has been carted off to have the motherboard replaced. I thought my son was a sweet easy going 17 year old until I tried sharing his computer. All I achieved last night since he was "doing something really important" was directing him while he checked my mail. He even answered Johnny back on one of my mails to tell him he liked the joke!!!
You using the royal "we" there Douggie G? Cos none of us can speak for or represents the whole Board - hey? :-). We love you too sunshine. Of course! You are so interesting and present your cases very persuasively and well.
Your flying experience - man, you'd be surprised, I've met a lot of people who are put off learning to fly by their first light plane pilot being insensitive to their requirements for a first trip. You are not the following type but I took a friend up once out of Biggin Hill Civil Field very freaked by a similar experience and gently psyched her into a more comfortable attitude. We flew over Brands Hatch straight and level and I told her we were passing over it and she goes: "Oh I want to see!" So I said: "We'll have to put the plane in a steep turn. Are you OK with that?" "Oh yes, yes." A few more things like that and she had a new attitude. She went on to get her PPL as an extremely cautious and careful pilot.
Now I get white knuckled over skiing.
Hunting? Not for trophies. Non-endangered nyama - yum. We often have half a deer in the freezer. Major over-population of deer here.
I admit happily to a very short fuse on malicious stirring. Ya got me unrepentantly there. Where a note of true meanness has crept in very few truly shrug off the flurries of emails behind the scenes cc various people soothing, threatening, worrying. Makes things gloomier and tenser for many. Got to be a balance between anarchy and totalitarianism. HAVE to say one last thing $50 says NO WAY would this ever have been Elias. He's just funny and uncontrolled and pro freedom. Hope there aren't any takers but if so email me and I'll share your winnings with him. Enough already. Back with something Zambian soon.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 21:34:40 (UTC)
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Heather
Thanks for the pictures of your gathering in SA. Great to see that my lovely sister and brother-in-law (Linda and Des Burns) are looking fantastic as ever. Love and miss them.
Grant, Heather and Viv are looking great as well. So nice to 'see' you all again.
Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick) — Click here to contact me
Dorking, United Kingdom
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 21:23:33 (UTC)
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Dear Heather it was nice to see the little crowd of you all together and it is the first time I have seen a pic of that lovely lady who is going to tie me up one day ( I Hope)
And You are all a good looking bunch of fillies, but I did not detect a lot of smiles, were the pics taken before or after the game? Love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 17:42:17 (UTC)
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Northerners
Some photographs from our little get-together in Jo'burg on Saturday. My apologies for the quality of the photos (I am working on improving my flash-photography).
Grant and Heather Knowles (nee Eldridge)
Heather Knowles, Vivienne Buitendag (nee Eldridge) and Kathy Barnett
Jill Aplin and Linda Burns (nee Fenwick)
Lynthia Nadauld (nee Eldridge)
Lynthia, myself and Des Burns
Des Burns and Grant Knowles
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, November 25, 2002 at 14:51:44 (UTC)
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I think by your recent message I am supposed to make some comment on christmas bushes, I only hope some one brings me one for xmas I have bought several little trinkets with little hooks on them to hang them on my little bush if I am lucky enough to get one.Regards to all Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 20:55:06 (UTC)
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Yo Ken, old bean,
Sorry for all turkey hunters - they are all either in freezers or stomachs after Thanksgiving.
But the wild turkeys are scrabbling around so there may be some chance for a hunter. And the damn white-tailed deer...... every morning. Nice.
The only living things I shoot are the ubiquitous squirrels. I think they must have propagated like the oz rabbits. But no squirrel stew, just a pellet up the arse and chuck 'em in the bush.
Gloating. Great white hunter, ha.
As for Dawie, our Founder........ Hey man, jislaike, I have probelms switching the thing on You dont expect me to listen to stuff too, eh?
Doug Grewar, my ancient ex-Gilbert Rennie dorm and Muf mining person, nice to se your postings. Ya never know when a Scot will go poetic, but judging from Dougs' stuff, it could be anytime.
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 16:24:44 (UTC)
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Doug the hunnybugger,
Think your insights into the value of wilderness are wonderful. And we are very lucky to have been brought up so close to the natural world, something I appreciated even as a child as we see-sawed from various cities (actually living in army camps) in the UK with going back and forth from Kenya and Zambia. Never felt the urge to go back to live in England somehow!
Jilly
Sorry about all my typos - I am really hung over - had to drown my sorrows after the game!
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 14:11:16 (UTC)
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DAVE .....
You will have to excuse Bill Knott for having primative means of communications.
Bill, and his lovely wife Yvette, live several miles out side the Canadian Capital of Ottawa, in a bleak snow and wind swept wilderness in the company of several hundred turkeys.
The turkeys are the feathered variety and not individual with limited talents. We have all read about the heroic efforts in saving the animals at kariba during the early 1960's, I am now calling all to unite and save these graceful birds from being sacrificed.The Christmas Season in Canada, is now commonly known as the Holiday Season, and Christmas Trees refered to as Festive Bushes, I am sure our good friend Johnny Green will have another interpretation for festive bushes.
Vegans of the world unite, an expedition led on the sled by our great politically correct Prime Minister Jon Crouton is leaving by dog team at the next full moon to rescue the turkeys. Should there be no sled available, we will all demonstrate on the grounds of Parliament Hill and shout slogans in both our official languages, Anglais and Francais.
I would send a message to Bill by carrier pidgeon, unfortunatley it was shoot recently for dropping a deposit at the wrong address. Hopefully he will be able to read this on the GNR.
Ken Miller
p.s. Bill, would be happy to receive orders for his Christmas Turkeys.
p.p.s. Bill, I will call you in the next few days.
Kenneth (Ken) Miller — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 14:07:51 (UTC)
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This Old Timer's Disease thing is getting me down. Just had an email from Linda Fenwick (Gosh I hope I got that right!) to say that she is married to Des BURNS - not Kenny - apologies to all!
Kitwe Bun (nyhugger)
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 14:04:58 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
It is the chance of the Soutjes to gloat. Because they couldn't when BRAZIL was written all over their bums. The game was a rout, yes.
But this is the weakest Bok team I have ever seen. I think if the Rhodesian coach, Mallet were back and van der Westerhuizen the captain, things might have been different.
Oh, and that little issue of that bliksem Paddy redcarding a Bok, so right away the teams were uneven. Hello!? Who had the advantage there. And I did NOT agree with the bliksem Irishman or whatever he is!
For those in countries which don't play INTERNATIONAL sports, you can always get results, listen to the radio, or even watch TV on your computer... Bill Knott are you listening?
Tot kijk...
Groeten...
Dawie van der Bliksem
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 09:49:14 (UTC)
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Hi Tina
Glad to see you still have a sense of humour. Don't be sore, my barbs are only my silly sense of humour. We still love you. Who couldn't love a lady who flies helicopters. Fantastic! It is something I would have loved to have done. When we got the copper chopper from Mufulira Mine I was supposed to go to a Nevada flying school with Ray Smith and Kevin (Grove?) to train for a commercial pilots licence. Ray took me up for a flip in a small plane from Mufulira airfield. He threw the plane all over the sky and performed all kinds of acrobatics, such as flying straight up, stalling the engine and letting the plane fall backwards, looping the loop, divebombing and pulling out inches above a dambo etc. When I got my feet back on solid ground I decided flying wasn't for me.
Jill and Alix
I agree we should preserve the animals and the wilderness area at all costs. My first years were spent in the concrete jungle and I feel compassion for those who never had the chance to escape. Without access to the wonders of nature humans are not complete. Somehow we have to achieve a balance between this and our other needs such as procreation, survival, entertainment etc. At present humans seem to be polluting the planet beyond its capacity to recover. The day will soon come when we will have to pro-actively control the population numbers to preserve the quality of life. Within each human's soul is a spiritual longing for paradise, for the fabled "Garden of Eden". I was priviledged to catch a small glimpse of this walking in the forests of Zambia, seeing the vast herds of letchwe on the Kafue flats, or high in the mountains of Swaziland and the eastern Transvaal, looking across the roof of the world, as close as a person can get to space while still on earth. We the people of Northern Rhodesia have seen some small portion of the world as Nature has made it not as man has spoiled it. This is the fascination of the old, fast dissappearing Africa.
Cheers - Doug the Hunnybugger
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 09:46:09 (UTC)
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Jilly .
Man introduced rabbits to Australia, and NZ and yes for hunting..sadly I saw something that will stay with me for the rest of my life and it sort of put me off the rabbit for life.......and yes Man is the blame for it.
.....I was staying on a sheep station deep in the south island .we were on a picnic....and the host said " keep still and quiet." next thing he clapped his hands....have you ever seen a hill move ?? well this hill did....literally hundreds of rabbits were there.......it was pretty awful.......and that was over 20 years ago....
I suppose man has a lot to answer for and the Riverine Rabbit is one reason...... I am so sorry.....we learn every day....thanks Jilly....you opened my eyes to something we just take for granted......
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 09:24:31 (UTC)
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Alix,
But who brought the bunnies to Australia? They are endangered here - the Riverine Rabbit being clost to extinction - due to man's hunting, they are dying where they're supposed to be and thriving where they've been introduced - and why were they introduced to Oz? As food to SHOT!
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 08:54:27 (UTC)
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Doug,
It's not true that conservationists are beiginning to think that sustainable utilisation of wildlife via hunting is a good idea - most SA 'conservationists' have always thought that way. But a few bunny huggers like me are beginning to help them think a little more laterally and imaginatively to use it compassionately as opposed to abusing.
And I agree with you about freedom of expression as far as possible - it also makes the board more interesting when there are differences of opinion, and not some pasteurised comment and reply site.
Northerners
Talking about hunting - anyone for Springbok bilton? He! He!. As Kathy Barnett said on Saturday - it was nice for the poms to win because it's been such a long time that they haven't.
Great meeting Heather and all the Eldridge clan of girls as well as Linda and Des Kenny and seeing Grant again. We really should get together more often. Heather, Kathy's surname (maiden name) is Barnett and her daughter's name is Erica, I wish we could have stayed longer.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 08:50:59 (UTC)
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Doug....
I am no bunnyhugger......rabbits have done more damage to land than any other species..except for man......I can see the merits in hunting.....but at the same time conservation of the endangered species in this world is paramount.....it will be a sad day when there are no Cheetahs left on this planet.....
AND...... what Tina was trying to say....we have to be tough with the people who are out to make our fantastic GNR a forum for slanging matches....it needs protection too....and no it was not an Animal thing but a people thing.......some people see things in different ways......what may be hurtful to you. may look like a joke to others.....
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 05:23:37 (UTC)
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Tina......
yes The BOKS WILL BE BACK !!......oh and yes the images of those knobbly knees and muscly thighs....the smell of liniment..The game they play in heaven.....meanwhile our Johnny has not mentioned that other game...giggles........
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Sunday, November 24, 2002 at 02:38:27 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar I'm glad you too stated your opinion. Ouch, though, why bother with personal barbs presented as humour. Oh well. Note: I must talk to that bleddy Jerry Springer about leaking the sex change stuff before the show has aired.
Still lovely images come to mind. Knobbly knees on muscly legged Springboks. ...Cold shower time for me AND ...
The BOKS will be BACK!!!!!!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 22:09:06 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Thank you for the new National Anthem. It eased the pain of digesting the result of the rugby match!
Chisanga.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe — Click here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 20:05:25 (UTC)
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Dear Jean,
or johnny in pommie..... Many thanks for the score. or whatever that was.... You were right and they obviously did not turn up to play.. maybe it was Bok-Bok and they thought that that would win the game. Bend over.
Shees.
No wonder no broadcast here. I watched Man U beat Newcastle instead. 5-3 for the international team.
Oh well.
Bill
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 19:40:25 (UTC)
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NORTHERNERS
A good six hours in good company - Lynthia Nadauld, Vivienne Buitendag, Heather and Grant Knowles, Des and Linda Burns, Jill Aplin and Kathy Beatty (who promises me she is going to enter her name and start posting) and Kathy's daughter (whose name I have forgotten already).
At least there are two men who aren't chicken - Grant and Des, well done.
Nice meeting all of you and I'll post the photos when I get back to Lusaka.
And the rugby ... well, what can we say except that I came closest to predicting the final score but only because I was the only one who predicted that the Brits would win.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 18:20:20 (UTC)
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To you boys (if any) and girls in Sandton you now have a first class excuse to get inebreated and I hope that you have the magnomosity to admit that Johnny was right in all his projections, that he tried to convince all you poor people that it was a forgone conclusion and that you were flogging a dead horse, but I will not mention it any more if you don't Regards to you all Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 16:28:38 (UTC)
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Boks 3 England 53. Anyone for tiddly-winks?
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 16:16:59 (UTC)
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William Knott.
I was sorry to see the GNR declare that the official team to support will be the Boks , I am still a SA citizen but I still have the sense to support a winning side and what now? they are scheduled to play this girls team next week but I hear through the grapvine that they have cancelled the game for ovious reasons, the commentator has just declared that the poms have wiped the floor with our guests SHAME. the final score is 53 to 3 to the poms, Stop licking my shoes your licking the suede the wrong way you Bok supporters regards Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 16:16:10 (UTC)
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William Knott the score at half time is 18 to the poms,
3 to the boks, I made a rash statement to my friends that I would have a scotch for every point the boks scored, I have been forced to cheat other wise I may have died from thirst, regards Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 15:47:23 (UTC)
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Northeners...
For those who like to take a flutter on the boks...
They are +15 even money at William Hill. This means William
will start the score at 15-0 for the boks for betting purposes.
A chance to get rich.....
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 13:18:31 (UTC)
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Reading all these entries re the Boks, I have an increasing sense of wanting to scream. Here one sits, with over 200 satellite stations to choose and NONE of them are broadcasting the game.
Will someone please print the result after. Dankie
Maybe its the snow
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:56:58 (UTC)
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Dawie,
Great! The Boks are the official GNR team! Hooray!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:43:46 (UTC)
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Well at last the big day has arrived. The Boks with their Zambian born Captain (germane)will win the day!
Johnny, you must have been a psychological warfare Major in the Army. You have put up a terrific smokescreen, but today it will all be proved to be in vain. We know the English side is tops so we let the froggies and the Jocks beat us just to catch you off guard. It is part of our 'master plan' as Uncle Ken would have said.
Craig, I guess by Tian you mean Tina. I am somewhat astonished at her umbrage over Rosa and her talk of evicting members. I fully support the management team and thank them for their efforts in creating and maintaining this great site. I support the censorship of blatant insults, racism, porn, character assasination etc. and of course we must avoid endangering the site by copywright infringment.
However we are all mature adults and I don't think we should freak out about a bit of gentle teasing. As a knobbly kneed grandad, I should have been insulted but I took it as a joke. Tina, I am sure hasn't got knobbly knees and she is definately (I hope) not a Granddad, altho after watching the Jerry Springer show I see that anything is possible. It is almost coming to the stage where one would be frightened to post. Maybe my head will be the next on the block.
One of the great things about Northern Rhodesia was the freedom (at least for the whites)as compared to Europe where everything was much more tightly controlled. We could walk to the pool barefoot. We had empty bush all around where we could shoot pigeons with a pellet gun, or even chop down a tree if we wished; we could hitch-hike from Lusaka to the Copperbelt or even to Salisbury for a long weekend. If I had tried to do any of these things in straight laced, blue stockinged, stiff upper lip London I would have probably been sent to reform school. Let us keep the GNR a free place also.
Maybe it is the animal aspect that upset Tina. I think that hunters have done more towards wildlife preservation than all the bunny huggers. The conservationists are begining to hold the view that tourism combined with controlled harvesting of animals, thereby giving an economic reason for the animals existance, is the best way to ensure their continued survival. It is quite astonishing the amount of farmland that is presently being returned to the wild by establishing game reserves on this principle.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:38:59 (UTC)
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TO THAT WONDERFUL TEAM THE SPRINGBOKS......
GOOD LUCK .........
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:31:35 (UTC)
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Doug,
You say "since 1997" as if it was a long, long, time ago. To me, a long time ago is like in the 1950's.
How long ago were the Bokke world champs or Tri-Nations champs? How long ago were the English world champs or Six-Nations champs? Who has the longer dynasty of world championship?
But the point is moot, because I declare the Springbok rugby team THE OFFICIALLY-SUPPORTED RUGBY TEAM OF THE GNR. Fullstop.
May the gods bless the Springboks!
You are not African if you do not support the Springboks!
Fullstop.
Tot kijk...
Groeten...
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:15:27 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Because you have choked up the board, I didn't realise that Mufulira Main Bun had joined in the fray.
Go Bokke!
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 10:09:03 (UTC)
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Recent Site Updates:
November 23rd, 2002:- We've added information about the Rhokana Review CDs that are being produced by Arthur to benefit the Whittemore children. Please see the Whittemore page for details about how you can order and pay for the CD. (You'll need to long into this members-only page with your GNR user ID and password.) CDs are £10, US$16, C$25, or €16, and can be paid for securely with Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover cards in one of those currencies.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 09:31:37 (UTC)
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Tian,
Thank-you.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 08:55:32 (UTC)
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Jilly are you serious?Gillian must be your buddy Miss Main
avid cat lover from Aberdeen Ex Mufilira, Scarborough, and God only knows where else,Love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 08:15:10 (UTC)
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Dear Jilly It looks as if I am trying to give you a hard time with regard to your rugby team, but when you open your paper and see this on the front page it must be a little embarassing for you, but it is not me that is composing all these little ditties etc but must be a South African. love Johnny.x
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New national anthem that will be sung simultaneously with England singing
> God Save the Queen.
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> God save our Springbok team
> The Press can be so mean
> God save our team
> Send us some decent Props
> Backed up by two good Locks
> A scrum that feels like rocks
> God save our team
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> God save our Springbok team
> Bring pride to the gold and green
> God save our team
> Improve our handling skills,
> A game plan without the frills,
> The current scores gives us chills
> God save our team
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> God save our Springbok team
> Oh please God hear our screams
> God save our team
> We want to see some tries,
> But not for the other guys,
> Our rugby slowly dies,
> God save our Team.
>
> God save our Springbok team
> Reveal now Strauli's dream
> God save our team
> Please grant us line-out ball
> Let the locks please hear the call
> Then we can start a maul
> God save our team.
>
> God save our Springbok team,
> Devise a master scheme
> God save our team
> If we lose now you will note
> A lump sits in our throat
> Oh how the Poms will gloat
> God save our team.
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Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 07:31:31 (UTC)
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Dear Jilly you say you have never drank with a man that could afford to buy you drinks, you must upgrade your drinking companions from those I used to see sitting on the seats in Joburg clutching a bottle of old brown sherry, but if you are going to Sandton today you will see how the other half lives, and a little tip, a double sherry topped up with champagne is the best conversation opener in the world, love to you, and I hope the score is not to embarassing for you. Johnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 07:12:19 (UTC)
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Dear Linda I note you have joined the kiss and tell brigade
you forgot to mention that it was at your insistence that I donned a pair of yours because you said that the night before my hairy legs had chafed yours, but I will forgive you this little indiscretion as I still love you. Johnny.xx
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:49:01 (UTC)
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Jilly this very hard to believe, but maybe true!Love Johnnyx.
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Rudolf Streauli has been advertising for vacancies in the team in most of the worlds press in very small print.
> advertisement read as follows:
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> Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are urgently recruiting for
> the
> following positions:
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> 1)
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> Requirements
> No rugby experience is necessary. Applicants need a pair of boots and a
> gum-guard. Full training will be given and a rule book given to each
> successful applicant. Applicants need to make themselves available for
> Saturday 23 November at 14:30.
> Successful applicants.> All successful applicants will need to meet at Twickenham rugby stadium
> (nearest station is Twickenham in London).
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> Thanking you,
> Rudolph Straeuli
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Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:35:05 (UTC)
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I was in the grocery store tonight with my husband and questioned whether to get a cheaper brand of something. My husband firmly said: "Life's too short not to get exactly what you want when you can."
This may be longwinded (surprise eh?) but here goes. The GNR committee has gone through a lot of hell to create and maintain a fantastic place for people of good will to exchange memories and find and interact with one another. Hating to do it, they found they needed basic censorship and a code of conduct for entrants. It's a bit like creating and policing a game park. You regret the necessity to put up fences but you safeguard what is most important for yourself and likeminded people against poachers and the lawless as gently and fairly as is possible in an imperfect world of diverse opinions. This decision is made so that your chosen ecosystem thrives.
The GNR ecosystem gets hammered everytime "professional stirrers" still refuse to police themselves after having been given a very fair chance. If they still don't value this site and the members enough not to bait them and endanger our site why don't we just evict them and get on with enjoying the ones who truly want to be here.
By the way it's always warming to see the same dear names coming to the support of reason and eachother. Rosa any private emails to me will be deleted unread. Life is too short.
Love to all.
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:21:35 (UTC)
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Another late news flash.
South Africa are so bad that the rules have to be changed to give them a
> chance this weekend
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> 1. A Springbok team is deemed to have scored when the ball has been passed
> twice without being dropped;
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> 2. If a Springbok player reaches the opposition 25 yard line - without
> having dropped the ball, falling over his own feet or running into one of
> his own players then - a try will be allowed under the posts. (Martin
> Johnson is not too happy about this but has agreed to a compromise in that
> the conversion will have to be taken from the touchline);
>
> 3. As the Springboks fear physical contact, agreement has been reached
> that
> should a Springbok backline player tap one of the opposition players on
> the
> shoulder, that player will be considered as having been tackled and will
> immediately have to release the ball;
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> 4. A penalty will be awarded should a Bok player be tackled in such a
> manner
> that either his hair is disturbed, he cries out in pain, his arms are
> pinned
> - thus preventing him from breaking his fall and causing one of the above,
> he cannot see the TV cameras or his clothing is dirtied;
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> 5. Should an opposing player glare at or make derogatory remarks to a
> Springbok player, last-mentioned may report him to the match-referee.
> (George Gregan objected and the IRB has agreed to include a clause that
> states "...from a distance closer than 5 metres"). 6. Spectators are not
> allowed to display unsavoury banners that in any way emotionally upset the
> Springboks. Those found guilty hereof will be forcibly removed from the
> ground. Similarly, spectators found guilty of booing, hissing, talking,
> laughing or moving whilst a Springbok is preparing a kick at the posts,
> will
> be banned for life from attending matches that involve any Springbok rugby
> team;
>
> 7. The media will publish only information approved by the Springbok
> management. The Aussies disagreed and have, therefore, been allowed to
> send
> a representative to the editing sessions;
>
> 8. The terrifying and intimidatory All Blacks haka has been banned from
> matches involving any Springbok rugby team;
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> 9. Should the scores be level at fulltime, and in the unlikely event of
> the
> Springboks finding themselves in the opposition half of the field, then
> the
> Springboks may choose between either a kick at the posts or an uncontested
> scrum in their favour; and
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> 10. No Springbok put-in at either a line-out or a scrum may be contested
> by
> the opposition
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Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 06:17:42 (UTC)
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For anyone who is interested in knowing, Johnny looks fabulous in silk stockings. Oops sorry Johnny. I promised I would not share our secrets. he! he!
Up the Boks!
Speedy Morris
If you see this, did you have any luck with that assignment in Durban I gave you?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 00:05:18 (UTC)
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Gillian lets get the facts right at no time did I offer to buy you no hopers any booze,there was never any fear of that anyway, but just in case a lighning bolt strikes my souties and the match is awarded to the boks the record is set straight, other wise some of your alcholic friends will be sending me there bar bills for the next six months including you, love to you Johnny.xx
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 21:30:01 (UTC)
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Heather C,
When you said to me that we'd probably meet in Sandton Square - I did a double take - maybe these Zambians know more than me!
JOHNNY
I have never met a man yet who can afford to buy me drinks, I will try not to take that as an insult - as the Poms think that a sherry is an excitingly intoxicating beverage...Lord help us! Enjoy your warm weak beers tomorrow.
Jilly
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 21:19:51 (UTC)
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NORTHERNERS IN THE GAUTENG AREA
This place is the absolute pits!! Only one pub have I been able to find that meets the criteria and it is one of those franchise joints. Yukkk! But we have no choice.
Lynthia, Vivienne, Heather, Jill, Linda and anyone else who cares to join us - the venue is McGintys at the Holiday Inn Garden Court on the corner of Maude and West Streets in Sandton. I will make sure I am there by 2.30 pm. And the big question is are we going to see any of the men or are they all too chicken??? I reckon they're all too chicken!!
that Chalcraft woman
in Jo'burg, Seth Efrica
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 19:18:05 (UTC)
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The tour of torture. Is Saturday going to be a Boklash or another Bokkerup. South Africa has not beaten England at Twickenham since 1997.
However we have a secret weapon, namely Fat Piet from
Potchestroom the referee knobbler. We have enlisted the help of Mukuka Nkoloso of Zambian Space Academy fame. He will put Piet into a 44 gallon drum and launch him from Voortrekkerhoogte to Twickenham.
So referee , basop.
Linda
I am not in contact with Judy or her Dog Lottie. I just enjoy excentric people even if I disagree with them.
Cheers Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 18:49:28 (UTC)
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Mr Green
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Whatever are we going to do with you. UP THE BOKS!!!! Hope you are about ready to eat humble pie and it will be your shout - could turn out a very expensive round of drinks, Bwana, with approx 500 people involved.
Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 18:32:26 (UTC)
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FiFi
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I think Rosa is the thwarted ex-wife of "Rio". Auchtermuchty, good place to choose, home of The Proclaimers! Those poor lads walked five hundred miles, stopped on route for a bevvy and then walked five hundred more just to get away from the place or maybe "her".
Nylon stockings, old men, khaki and sedation - whatever flicks your switch, man.
Rich
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The newspaper clippings to the students were surplus to requirements, the simplest way to prove your point would have been to write a paragraph on the blackboard. Mind you, love the word accusser, am going to adopt it.
Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 18:20:01 (UTC)
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Jilly the oringinal list of names that Heather put out were all girls you have oviously roped in some poor unsupecting males to watch the cartoon with you, and I suppose buy your booze, but they can also cry in there beer when those Souties have have completed the humiliation of those poor hairy backs, who I feel genuinely sorry for, but for a consolation for them and you, you can take along a few silk stockings and practice some of the knots you are going to try out on me at Livingstone. love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 14:33:39 (UTC)
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Johnny - I don't think Grant Knowles and some of his mates are going to take too kindly to being called "Sandton Girls"!
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 11:46:37 (UTC)
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Barry ET AL,
What a relief to be back in civilisation again! I took the plane from East Midland's Airport to Schiphol for the weekend to sign forms at the Stadhuis and for a rather important rendezvous at Noordwijk. Leaving England was a nightmare. Although only 6 miles from my cottage in Duffield, the airport required driving in bumper-to-bumper angry traffic on miles of motorway. I naturally got lost because of the stupidly poor signage. The relief to see none of that in Nederland and to step into streets filled with people walking, riding bikes and taking trams made me realise what a car-culture England is. But that is understood since it is desperately trying to copy America in every way!
Anyway, I will be here HOME at the weekend. I am not receiving email since it won't work, and although I have a SIX THOUSAND EURO computer in my home in England, there is no way I could connect to the Internet with it. That technology has not yet arrived in my little corner of England! So if you want to get a hold of me by email, wait a few more years.
Thanks, Barry for posting that information about the Pathé newsreels! What a wonderful find. Thanks for adding something constructive to the message board this morning. I just wish I had a personal, home PC connexion to the Internet to get at this stuff! Wow! This is one of the great achievements in our search for reconnection to our days in Africa. I can remember those newsreels with fondnesss.
I remember seeing a general sort of newsreel by Pathé which reported on the lifestyle of pre-independence Zambia. There were superb shots of families in their gardens in mine houses in Nkana. If you could only find that one! I never thought in those days to capture those simple things on film!
Well time to check out of this Internet café and loll about in the Koffiehuis de Hoek along the Prinsengracht canal reading my Volkskrant and smoking my tabacky... ahhhh Amsterdam in autumn!
Mooi blij, en geniet die naweek!
Tot kijk...
Groeten...
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 09:50:40 (UTC)
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Pathé Newsreel Film Archives
I've just discovered that British Pathé have an online library of many of their newsreels. Low resolution previews are available for free.
Check out Pathé Newsreel Archive and search under "Kitwe", "Kariba", etc.
The site does have some problems and you may have to persevere, but I just suceeded in downloading a Kariba newsreel.
Barry Woodrow — Click here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:36:05 (UTC)
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Another news flash.
EDINBURGH (AP) --
Springbok rugby practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a playerreported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field.
Head coach Strauli immediately suspended practice while police and federalinvestigators were called to investigate.
After a complete analysis, Scotland Yard forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the try line. Practicewas resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again. (SAPA)
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Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:26:37 (UTC)
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Any one want to bet I say it is not Elias< I have deducted that who ever it is male or female is very close to my age group and is very well versed in NR history, and surely our Craig can trace the origin of the Em address? to narrow down the field.
Johnny.
Jill and the Sandton girls dont forget the match is broad cast on the M net cartoon channel. Love to you all Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:13:51 (UTC)
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"Rich"
One last thing I forgot to say was that the reference to Heather's email was the giveaway, and you know why...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 01:56:42 (UTC)
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Douggie
I figured out that Rose and Rich are the same person too. I have had dealings with Rich a long time ago, and he could not spell his own name correctly in the email. That is how I tripped him up as an imposter. Who he is, though, is the 64 million dollar question. I still think it is my buddy Elias, but he won't admit it to any of us.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 01:49:02 (UTC)
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Rose Tinto ( meaning to "poke fun at those who look at colonial life through rose tinted spectacles") is certainly not Elias - for ye of little faith . Shows the silliness of the PC generation when someone with a real tale to tell of Zambian life is compelled to leave ; while a nasty piece of work trashes Operation Noah , Chalcraft , Garlick and Alix with no retribution.
The log shows that both "Rosa Tinto " and "Rich Njovu" write from 65.19.131.218 so there's your answer. Ignore the fools ,
Doug
Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 01:31:21 (UTC)
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Heather
Good job I can’t get to meet Viv, Heather and Lynthia this Saturday. You’d probably have to tie me up with nylons and sedate me beforehand.
But there is always Zambia 2003.
Take your camera along please.
Rich
Moi? Posting furious messages - since when? Naaah.
Please send me the links I want to see proof.
Linda, Jill, Fiona et al
It can’t possibly be Elias - the spelling is too perfect and it ain’t written in blood.
With a long Fire Service strike looming in the UK I wonder who would be oohing if they were ignored by glamour seeking young rescuers, wearing their national dress and mandatory fire helmets, just "because they were dumb enough to catch their house on fire, were already on their last legs and too old to climb out the window"?
George Has ebagum Scottish?
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 00:23:12 (UTC)
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Linda, Fiona,Jilly and Doug...
I have the same suspicions....I have sent private emails to both Rich and Rosa, both have not replied to me....
interesting ....I don't think we have to look too far....at least I don't wear rose tinted glasses....and I am certainly not rich !!!! giggles........
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, November 22, 2002 at 00:03:27 (UTC)
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Rich Njovu
Please contact me privately by email. I have some questions for you that will take up more space than is allowed by contact through the GNR method. Thank you.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 23:36:25 (UTC)
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Black or White Humour? (Who decides?)
On a recent university lecture tour, I was speaking to Black students who were doing a study of comparisons of national senses of humour. Many students had copies of local newspaper reports mainly of court cases involving marriage, divorce, adultery, theft etc which the accusser or victim is showed as a foolish person, and would be laughed at and jeered. This side of the scale was to show that Blacks can laugh at themselves
To help wiegh the scale they had a scathing copy email from your Heather Chalcraft expelling someone from this board for poking fun at Zambian people for the same reason. Another furious message which certainly was copied from this board, written by Arthur Steevens, was shown.
Apparently copies of these can be found at many universities, colleges and even on Notice Boards at our HighCommissioins and Embassys, together with links where they can be found on the internet.
A good cause for global laughter.
Rich
Rich Njovu — Click here to contact me
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 23:13:51 (UTC)
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Hi Chisanga
Thanks for your message. I am sure you are correct. My ex boss sent it to me in an envelope as he knows I come from Zambia. The man he shares an office with is an attorney and it was he who received the email. Nothing to do with the GNR whatsoever, but just thought I would mention it. His return email is chotachilubaptc@rediffmail.com so it could be from anywhere!
Jill and Fiona
I had my own suspicions that Rosa may be Elias. I asked him in an email last night, but he has not responded. Do you suppose we are correct?
Doug Grewar
Are you in contact with Judy Drew? If so, please pass my regards to her.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 23:11:54 (UTC)
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Auchtermuchty,
meaning - the field of the Pigs.
Certainly an appropriate sty for Rosa, non?
JP
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:52:27 (UTC)
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Auchtermuchty
Now that is an interesting place, a few years ago there was a story doing the rounds that during the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Edinburgh, Mugabe nipped out and bought himself a farm in 'muchty. Somehow, I think that Rosa seems to be way too sentimental to be the Robber but hey who knows who reads these pages?
George Maxwell — Click here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:42:17 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Why so quiet? Beginning to get a bit nervous? We have sent over over a ton of steroid flavoured boerewors for the boks and I hear that they are looking good for Saturday. I also heard a rumour that the English Rosas -er - I mean Roses are not smelling so sweet - too much warm lager.
Fiona - New Clue - look for an Italian Connection.
Heather, Heather and Viv - will see you Saturday - to cheer on the team!
JP (Fiona, the 'P' stands for pasta)
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:23:55 (UTC)
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Linda,
The scam letter you refer to is unlikely to have come out of Zambia. As you know, this type of scam was invented and perfected by Nigerian crime syndicates.
Any Zambian would have known that Chiluba did not have an assistant called Chota. They would also have known the difference between Chota and Chola.
Chisanga.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe — Click here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 22:14:13 (UTC)
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By the way Dog Lottie can also have Kisimus, if he lifts the fatwa that he has issued for my assassination. I wonder what the reward will be? A dog biscuit? RSVP Judy!
Do you need any more askaris to help you and Dog Lottie defend the island? The DC from Chinsali is on standby with reinforcements.
I will also ask his Majesty, the King of Swaziland (if he came spare time from charming his 10th wife) to send you some Swazi Warriors also. Buti we got some problemz. We have 2 ships in the Swazi Navy but at present they are both lost. Maybe they could be shipping Maganu (marula) to Perth for Alix.
Happy Kisimus Almal - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 20:53:23 (UTC)
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Fiona
Great minds think alike! My guess is that Roza Tinto is Elias in drag. However as a knobbly kneed grandfather in my regulation khaki shorts and long socks I must welcome heshe to the GNR. As Operation Noah was underway the Southern Rhodesia government was paying professional hunter to slaughter herds of Zebra and Wildebeeste etc. on the south bank, to reduce the tsetse fly infestation I think. I believe they were paying a bounty for each tail. So in a way my knobbly kneed comrades efforts on the north bank were a bit futile.
We had the first proper rain of the season last night, 38mm or 1.5 inches. There was a terrific hailstorm which blacked out the whole town for the evening so I missed Johnny's abusive tirade, grrrr. :-)Roll on Saturday.
Once again the vile commercial celebration of Xmas is upon us. When I become President I am going to ban it. Only card carrying Christians who have 52 church attendance stamps on their Situpa will be allowed to have Xmas. Hands up all those who qualify! I mean you three, the pair of you. Aziko 52 stamps aziko kisimus for you. This does not apply to children who will all get a double Xmas, only to knobbly knee....
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 20:38:43 (UTC)
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I think Rosa Tinto means Red Herring in ancient Spanish or something, but let's not waste our time on such an apparently mean-spirited individual.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 20:04:44 (UTC)
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Anyone want to play a little game? It's called "Let's guess the real identity of Rosa Tinto". Details of Rosa are pretty thin in the names directory. Perhaps he/she might like so shed a little more light on themselves?
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 19:23:37 (UTC)
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No Linda, not from Zambia but from a BANK MANAGER in Tonga! I am absolutely sure it didn't come from the GNR though.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 15:56:36 (UTC)
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It was only a matter of time...
I have received a xerox copy of one of the scam emails that has been sent to an attorney specializing in international law here in Austin. It is from none other than Chota Chiluba, purportedly the cousin and personal assistant to Frederick Chiluba, former President of Zambia. It is quite interesting, in that it contains some history of the demise of Mr. Chiluba, and how Mr. Nwananawasa came to power. Fortunately, although Mr. Chiluba was stripped of immunity and faces prosecution and seizure of his assets, Chota "his trusted personal assistant" somehow smuggled 30 Million American dollars out of Zambia which were deposited with "an organization in abroad". All they need is a way to get it away from that organization. Quite easy really... just need your account number. Ha! Ha! This is the first time I have seen one coming out of Zambia. Has anyone else seen them from Zambia yet?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 13:22:33 (UTC)
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Hi Ian Coetzee
Thank you for your post re a beer. It will be great to catch up if we can.
I will be down in St. Francis Bay from the 7th to the 19th Dec. How far is J Bay from St. Francis?
I tried the direct contact route but it didn't work!
Cheers
John
Email me direct: nortonjack21@hotmail.com
John Milton — Click here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 13:02:58 (UTC)
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Rosa,
What are your wildlife qualifications to make all those statements?
Johnny - don't you worry - I have some VERY interesting bondage ideas - especially for you - at the Livingstone Lark!
Heather - let us know where you're going to meet. I'd love to meet you and I think Viv has a CD for me? It might be better for me to get away from my husband on Saturday - seeing as I am English born (but not bred - my Mom's Afrikaans)....these Zimbabweans can get touchy at times!
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 10:35:42 (UTC)
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BWANA GRINS......
AHEM .......how is it that your'e still smiling .....it's not only rugby that is at stake....there is the little matter of the other game that is being fought downunder.....hehehe....and we all know what is happening there.....ashes to ashes.......oh dear me.......
and no I am not taking sides ....I back the Proteas !!!
carn the BOKS !!!!
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 10:03:46 (UTC)
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Dear Heather you forgot to tell the girls that they better wear black, and bring plenty of tissues, Love and commiserations to you all for Saterday, Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 09:53:07 (UTC)
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NORTHERNERS IN THE GAUTENG AREA
This Saturday, at 2.30 pm, Lynthia Nadauld, Vivienne Buitendag, Heather Knowles and myself will be meeting up in Sandton. Would anybody else like to join us?
We do realise that there is a very important rugby match that will be taking place on Saturday afternoon so hope that some of you will be able to drag yourselves away from your very comfortable couches at home and come and join us.
We will find a pub that has a television set and what better way is there to watch a rugby match where one team is captained by a Zambian than with another bunch of Zambians. And with any luck, Austin Healey will not spend the whole of Saturday on the benches, which will make the game even more exciting for us.
We have not yet agreed exactly where we will be meeting, but I will decide this when I get to Jo'burg tomorrow afternoon. It will probably be one of the pubs in Sandton Square and I will post a message on the board either late on Friday or early on Saturday. I will be staying at the Michelangelo and will also leave a message there to say where we have gone.
With any luck, I will also get Cookie and Teresa Brassington to join us, as they are currently in Johannesburg.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 05:45:26 (UTC)
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Can YOU spell "Code of Conduct"
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 04:14:28 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft OOOH!
OOOH! AAHH! My dear, what an Orgasmic, tear jerking tale about overgrown schoolboys escaping reality and spending their time fishing and smoking and pestering wild animals that would swim to the mainland anyway. I love tales like that.
Are we allowed to swap fairy tales on this message board? I could maybe scan some "Biggles" or "Noddy" chapters. No disrespect to old man Edelman, but he should have stuck to hiring out fridges and T.V.s, he was more successful at that.
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Gordon Garlic PHWOOOO!
Is that your real name? You want my email address to "take me apart" why? You dont need it big man, just click on the contact button. Anyway what are you up in arms for? From reading the archives you have done your share of fishing and poaching. Given half a chance, you would have turned most of the "RESCUED" game at Kariba into biltong and boerewors.
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Alix in Wonderland
Did you know Alix, that animals unlike humans dont have a fixed abode and a mortgage. They will follow food and escape danger. Those dumb enough to be caught at Kariba were probably on their last legs or were too old to migrate to higher land. Dont imagine the Zambezi valley to be paradise. It is an arid, tsetse fly infested inferno, with a few fertile patches overcrowded with the 6 toed Tonga tribes. Every year the Tonga would migrate from their fishing villages to higher ground to escape floods as did the wild life.
Have a Good Day
Rosa
Rosa Tinto — Click here to contact me
Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 23:03:29 (UTC)
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Every thing very quiet on the western front are you all praying? Regards Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 20:59:04 (UTC)
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Gil Wilson
You are right, we never played at the same time. I captained BHMRFC in 69 before I broke my back in the accident in May 70, I guess around the time you arrived in Kabwe.
I still contact Dave Tweedy from time to time and saw John & Sylvia Dare and Mike and Anne Lewis last year. There used to be a get together for Rugby internationals in Edinburgh; Ken Barclay had a good source for tickets but these have not happened for quite a few years.
It was Ralph Bates you refer to; he had the Fools Nook Inn near Macclesfield with his wife Madge. He died a good few years ago and Madge now lives in Liverpool I think.
A Lusaka UT Hospital experience for general GNR consumption:
When I was in the Lusaka UTH recovering from my injuries I was in a small ward with 4 beds. One day a South African "Spy" was admitted from Jail with a "broken" leg and put in the bed opposite me. A Zambian policeman was stationed at the bottom of the bed. At visiting time 4 "Afrikanner heavies" arrived, gave our policeman a fag and sent him away "so they could talk in private". 2 of the guys went to examine the varandah area - obviously casing t |
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