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Heather you TOTAL BABE!!! You DID IT!!!! Wild Flame Lilies. Now it's a FABULOUS 2003.

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 23:57:00 (UTC)


Gill - 24 hours later I am still laughing your tale about getting rid of unwanted lingere was hillarious, stuck in my mind are bushes donned with lingere, did you make up this story or is it fact. Happy New Year Love and Hugs Irene

Irene White (née Barnard)Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 13:39:50 (UTC)


2003
TO CRAIG, ARTHUR , DAVE, AND HEATHER, AND ALL THE WONDERFUL COLOURFUL TRAVELLERS ON THE GREAT NORTH ROAD.......A HAPPY AND SAFE 2003 FOR ALL OF YOU......

much love From Ali , Alice , Jade and Leah....

Heather,
Thanks for the new years gift, what a wonderful sight to see them growing in the wild...I forgot to plant my flame lily tubers out until late, they are coming along nicely though...
Ali


Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 12:40:48 (UTC)


Further to my posting yesterday about Nigerian scams, this site shows how they work and what how to recognise them

www.419fraud.com

Heather

Beautiful photograph. Thanks you for the new year present.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 11:32:53 (UTC)


Northerners

A New Year's gift for you

Click for image.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 10:41:55 (UTC)



My dear Heather you should not play around with poisonous snakes what would we do without you if one decided to give you a little bite you say yourself that there strike is very fast so you boss up, I took the liberty of copying a passage of your informative discourse on your snake because I was a little disapointed that you added a little rider referring to my snake in the middle of the sentence but dissapointedly not at the end of it, but I have rectified it my self so our readers are fully aware of all the facts I will add my correction in italics where you should have done,

Because puffadders are slow moving (probably a bit like your snake), it is possible to catch them fairly easily but always with a great deal of care, because when they strike, they are very fast JUST LIKE YOUR SNAKE. LoveJohnny. -----------------------------



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 09:49:35 (UTC)


What is it about Mufulira girls and unwanted items of lingerie? My Mum, truth be known, was a bit of a hoarder. Matters came to a head one day when I opened up a couple of drawers and found objects of "apparel" from our school days, with the neat little identification tags still sewn into them. I alerted Les, my sis, and we devised a cunning plan. Throw them in the garbage? No, much too simple, instead we found a cardboard box and loaded the offending items into it, leapt into the car and sped off with one aim in mind, to rid ourselves permanently of this scourge.

Instead of driving miles out into the bush to bury them, we came up with a brainwave - there was an area of scrubland at the end of Wellington Drive (Kambulanga) just before the turnoff to the Ndola Road, perfect, we could dispose of them out there and nobody would ever know. By this time we were gleefully caught up in the act and perhaps thinking somewhat irrationally and, after climbing over the drainage ditch, only took a few steps before we were slinging the offending articles every which way. It took us a couple of minutes to realize that cotton and bri-nylon does not travel well when thrown!! The offending garments were beautifully displayed on bushes, shrubs, elephant grass and the like. What did we do? Ran like Hell back to the car and zoomed off before anyone drove past and recognized us.

The moral to this story? If any budding botanist finds a new species of plant in Mufulira, just opposite Eastleigh, look closely, it is probably already carrying a linen name tag.



Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 17:08:42 (UTC)


To the GNR "Executive," all the regular contributors, the lurkers (and I include myself for the most part), and my friends in Ndola, UK, RSA and Oz, a happy new year, and we'll do the toast thing at all our respective midnights, so I should be in good shape by the time mine comes around in the States.

Robert SummersClick here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 14:00:47 (UTC)


Hi Carole

It sounds like another scam to me I'm afraid. I have had countless letters just like this one. Please, anybody who reads this, don't fall for it. Many people in the UK have lost a lot of money this way. If you want to know how, type nigerian scam into Google. Just because the guy is purports to be a white Zimbabwean refugee doesn't mean it's any less of a scam than the Nigerian ones. I have had letters from many other countries too. If you want to give money to assist Zimbabwean refugees there are far more reliable ways to do it, for example www.zimbabwefarmerstrustfund.co.uk which is a genuine charity based in Scotland.

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed Christmas and have a wonderful New Year.

Fiona

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 13:27:46 (UTC)


Hello All

I hope you all had a very merry Christmas and are looking forward to the New Year. Baz (my husband) and I went out with my Dad on Christmas Eve to his local Working Men's pub and they both had a bit too much to drink! As a result, our Christmas lunch was a bit subdued, but I enjoyed it. I think I have put on another stone in weight!!
For anyone who remembers my Dad - John Bruce - he is still going strong at 72 and we often reminisce about our days in Kitwe. He seems to be at his happiest when recounting stories of how he used to go to diggers after work on a Saturday, and then drinking all afternoon and letting the car do the driving home down Central Street!! I can remember him coming home after several Masons meetings absolutely sozzled and rolling around the grass with the dogs at 1am in the morning while in his best navy blue suit. My mom always used to go ballistic with him, but he never learnt!!

On a more serious note, my boss has recently received the following email which I have pasted in its entirety (apologies if any of you have already seen this but I have not seen any messages concerning this). If it is one of these scamm type messages, I am sure it will touch a raw nerve in all of us. Dawie - have you heard of this chap at all?

On a lighter note:
Happy New Year to you all.
Carole

----- Original Message -----
From: "smith douglas"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED




URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED





ATTN:

You may be surprise to receive this Email from me since you do not know me
personally. However, I would like to introduce myself, I am Mr.Douglas Smith
Jr, the son of Dr.Stephen Smith who was murdered few months ago in Zimbabwe
as a result of land dispute,Before the death of my father (Dr. Smith), he
had taken me to AMSTERDAM to deposit the sum of Ten Million United States
dollars(US$10.000,000) in a security company, as he foresaw the looming
danger in Zimbabwe.
The money in question was deposited in a box as Gemstones to avoid much
demurrage from the security company. The proposed amount was meant for the
purchase of new machines and chemicals for the farms and establishment of
new farms on Swaziland. As you may be aware this
land problem came into force when Zimbabwe president Mr. Robert Mugabe
Introduced the Land Reformed Act of which my father rich farmers and some
black farmers where affected.This resulted to the killing and Mob action by
Zimbabwe war veterans and some lunatics in the society, infact, a lot of
people were killed because of this Land Reformed act of which my dad was one
of the victims.
It is against this background that my family and Iwho are currently staying
in Amsterdam decided to transfer my father's money to a foreign
account. Since the Dutch law prohibit a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any
account or be involved in any financial transaction. As the eldest son of my
father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign
account where the money could be transferred . I am
faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in Holland for the
fear of going through the same experience in future since both countries
have similar history. Moreover, The Netherlands foreign exchange policy does
not allow such investment from asylum seekers. As a
businessman, whom I have entrusted my future and my family in his hands, ! I
must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to
assist me and my family, all I need you to do for me is to make arrangement
and come to AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS, so that we can open the non-resident
account which will aid us in transferring the
money into any account you will nominate overseas.This money I intend using
for investment. I have options to offer you, first you can choose to have
certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for the
transaction, or you can go into partnership for a proper profitable
investment of the money in your country. Which ever option you choose,
feel free to notify me. I have mapped out 5% of this money for all expenses
incurred in processing the transaction. If for some reasons you do not
prefer a partnership, I am willing to give you 25% of the money while the
remaining 70% that is meant for me, will be for the investment in your
country.
Please, contact me with this Email:douglas_sm2000@yahoo.com/my telephone
number +31-623-622-453. Provide me with your telephone number so we can
discuss further and a chance for you to ask me any question you may have in
mind, while you maintain the absolute secrecy
required in the transaction.i will give you my telephone number if
necesary.please kindly get back to me with your detail contacts.


Yours faithfully,

MR.DOUGLAS SMITH JR.


Carole Evans (née Bruce)Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 12:31:46 (UTC)


Johnny - thanks for letting me know you are not dirty or old and that you shower every day, amazing what you learn on the board about people you have never met, I do hope you are not offended by my remarks I am sure you arnt as I read the board postings regularly and so enjoy the banter that goes back and forth. I am in Ontario and Craig in British Columbia so we are actually quite far from each other, phew perhaps just as well otherwise it would be the 11th bottle of Captain Morgan. Claire and I have had a great time, all my siblings still live in SA so its been great to have her stay, nothing like ones own flesh and blood to warm the cockles of the heart at Christmas time, all good things come to an end though on Friday Claire jets back to SA and with the exchange rate as it is who knows when next I shall see her again. Pommies well I am married to one, I think perhaps the best one that England produced, used to visit the UK lots and Lots when we lived in SA havent been for about 10 years though, have lots of family (my hubby's) and friends there, speak to them regularly on the phone. The only thing I really miss about SA is the sea and of course my family, I never miss Zambia as my memories of Muf are still with me such a happy childhood we had without a care in the world. Anyway must go I dont often post messages and I have posted two in the last day or so, I do read the board every day. Tomorrow New Years Eve hope all on the board have a super time we are having a huge family party at our son's place Love and Hugs Irene

Irene White (née Barnard)Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 11:49:17 (UTC)


Johnny

I was not taking the mickey out of you. We did catch it, by scooping it into a box with a badza (hoe) and quickly putting the lid on the box. Below is the photo of it in the box.

Because puffadders are slow moving (probably a bit like your snake), it is possible to catch them fairly easily but always with a great deal of care, because when they strike, they are very fast.

The puffadder accounts for most snake-bite incidents in Zambia and if these bites are not treated, they are fatal. The toxin is cytotoxic and affects both the tissue and the blood. The flesh around the bite decomposes and leaves a horrible mess, which does eventually heal, usually after many months. I don't know what the hospitals use for treating bites. With our dogs, we inject them with cortizone and that seems to work.

We often catch puffadders. A couple of years ago, we caught one which we kept in a fish tank for about two months before we took it to the reptile park (we always take them there because we know that they won't be killed) We fed it a small frog about once every two weeks and one afternoon I was able to sit and watch it creeping up to the frog, striking and then following the frog and when it was cornered, swallowing it. The whole procedure took about 45 minutes and was absolutely fascinating, although I felt really sorry for the frog. In the wild, they do not corner their prey. After biting, they follow their prey until it dies, using their tongue to smell where it had gone.

Click for image.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 09:26:04 (UTC)



Dear Irene I object to the dirty old man part of your reply to me I only remarked on what I thought you were stoking your sister up on, what else was I to think with a statement that your sister was really enjoying the white stuff, she must be a little strange as if it had snowed three foot deep in SA where she lives she would have been cursing it like we do here in pommie land, I did not mention that you and your sister used to stand at the end of your drive way selling your diry knickers to any wandering umphasi for a sou sou, did Gill Main used to do that as well? it would not suprise me, you say that you and sis are going to the shop for another bottle of rum this will be your 10th in as many days it must be really cold there are you any where near that other alchi Craig? well my girls enjoy yourselves but no more of the DIRTY old /young man I shower every day Happy New Year To You And All Your Family Johnny.xx one each.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 06:02:11 (UTC)


OH! JOHNY OH! you dirty old/young man YOU!!! well the white stuff (SNOW!!!!!) has almost GONE, yes Southern Ontario Canada is yet again in the throws of a mild winter, not so, in the Maritimes (Atlantic Canada - for those who do not have a map) TEEEEEE HEEEEE! is knee deep, snow shovel sales are at a peak, gosh I do so remember that at this time of the year in Mufulira, mango sales at the end of each and every house in Herrick Avenue, Mufulira, was at a peak, Boxing Day sales of clothing as such mundane items do not have a patch on what we used to sell at the end of our driveway, (much to my fathers disgust) he used to say to my mother (my father that is) how can you let our kids (brats) sell things at the end of the drive, mom's reply = they enjoy it - dad's reply = they just cannot sell themselves at the end of the driveway, HILLARIOUS to say the least!!!!! I just love exclamation marks gives one a chance to read between the lines without being TOTALLY AND UTTERLY disgusting!!!!!! there we have it.

Well tomorrow Claire and I are most definately off to the liquor store to buy that other bottle of Rum
HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all - Lots of Love and kisses Irene and CLAIRE

Irene White (née Barnard)Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 02:23:41 (UTC)



A slight difference in cultures.

. What's the difference between an English actuary and a
Sicilian actuary.

A. An English actuary can tell you how many people are going to die next year.

A Sicilian actuary can give you their names.

-----------------------
A Happy New Year To Every One Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 21:19:43 (UTC)


Happy New Year to all.

Does anyone have any idea of the whereabouts of Paddy McArdle, he was at Nchanga in the late fifties early sixties?



Robert HuntleyClick here to contact me
Carmel, California, United States
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 20:21:01 (UTC)



Heather you were taking the mickey out of me with your snake but it has taken Graham and Fiona Wall to put me right and god only knows where they are now but thanks any way, Craig seems to think that the one I look after is dangerous, it is very docile at this time of year and I was beginning to wonder if he would pick up a little and one of my friends advised me to give him a tonic he did write the name of it out for me I canot remember what it was now but I think it began with vi I will have to give him some when I get round to it, remind me to let you know if it transformed him a little or not, Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 20:20:50 (UTC)


Hello to all on the GNR,
Many thanks to those of you who e-mailed me or left messages of condolences for my father. As we have been slowly clearing out his house we have come across a large case of old photographs - many of them from Mufulira in the 50's, 60's and 70's! Neiles is sorting through them and we will post some on the site in the new year.

I hope you all had a good Christmas and wish you all a very happy and healthy New Year.

GILLYB - get out there and party!! (and thanks for the phone call)

Thanks to Craig et al... for the great job they do - of all the sites I visit this is by far the best, not only because of the content matter but also because it is so well put together and run brilliantly.

Love
Bridget

Bridget BillanyClick here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 18:55:06 (UTC)


To all GNR Members we wish you all the best for the Season and a Fantastic 2003. A special Thanks to Craig for all his hard work. We are avid readers of the GNR and enjoy all the pictures and stories.
Lynne and Kit Hopkinson (nee Harris)

Lynne Hopkinson (née Harris, formerly de Lange)Click here to contact me
Kaleden, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 18:25:58 (UTC)


Only yours is Johnny.

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 17:14:22 (UTC)



No one has bothered to tell me if Puff Adders are dangerous or not? Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 16:02:48 (UTC)


Norman Kenward

Welcome to the GNR board. I remember you well with your E-type Jaguar. Somebody was asking about you on the board many months back. I bought my first binoculars from you and it was the best that I have ever had.

Please post any stories you have about the old days in Muf, and about what you are doing now. There are quite a few ex Muf people on this site.

Cheer - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 10:05:26 (UTC)



Dear Irene in the early part of your last message you said your sister Claire was really enjoying the white stuff! and I thought hello hello I didn't think you were so open about it in Canuck land but on reading down a little I realised what you were alluding to, hope the pair of you enjoy your selves Johnny.
A little advice on how to enjoy youselves,
Ladies....it is okay to wait for the right man to come along but
in the meantime have some fun with the wrong ones.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 08:27:01 (UTC)


To all on the GNR - hope you all had a safe and happy Christmas and wish for all of you a safe and really good 2003. I have my sister Claire visiting from Port Elizabeth SA for Christmas and New Year, its great and she is really enjoying the white stuff, the cold weather has its advantages, a darn good reason to fill our glasses as soon as it gets dark, we are almost too embarrassed to go to the liquor store for that other bottle of Captain Morgan, the first bottle didnt go very far, we then bought a bottle of Vodka and Galliano well you cant have just one Harvey Wallbanger you have to have two so the Vodka didnt last either. We spent this afternoon building a snowman great fun. Nice to see your posting Norman Kenwood I remember you taking the pics for my sister Diana's wedding, seems like yesterday. Well folks Love and Hugs to each and every one of you = Irene

Irene White (née Barnard)Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 22:04:57 (UTC)


JUST A BRIEF VISIT NOTE!

Wishing all friends and a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year.

Gary, Natasha & Scott.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 20:01:15 (UTC)


Northeners...

When I got to be around 35 years old I finally got wise about my finances and credit cards.... Today at 56 I am almost mortgage free, semi retired - only working to travel and buy that red Corvette I have always wanted.....

This site has all kinds of financial calculators you can play with. My favourites are #10 where you can play around with different monthly payments or interest rates and see how much of a difference it makes. Also, #5 where you can calculate how much money you can save by just bringing in your own lunch into work a few days a week.

http://www.reidtax.com/calculators.html

(Sorry, you'll have to cut and paste...)

Have fun...


Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 17:31:59 (UTC)



This may be of interest to the learning fraternity some one called Ant contacted me through the gnr system and asked me to Please inform our readers to contact them for further info.

Hi,
We are from Zimbabwe and have started a company making Biltong Home Kits. Could you pass this info on to any South Africans and Zimbabweans in the UK that you know so we can cut the cost of our favourite snack. www.biltongfactory.com

Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 04:52:36 (UTC)



This is a true story.

You know you're getting old when you are forced to choose between
two evils and go for the one that lets you sit down the soonest.
Regards Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 20:58:46 (UTC)


To all fellow members of the G.N.R. I would like to take this opportunity in wishing each and everyone of you a very Healthy, Peaceful and Prosperous NEW YEAR!

I admit to being an avid reader of the MESSAGE BOARD, and do recognise many of the names/authors etc. Keep up the good work. Hopefully, I will be able to contribute in the not too distant future.

Best Wishes to All. Norman Kenward formerly of Mufulira
Main Street(Buteko St.) Photographer

Norman KenwardClick here to contact me
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 20:39:05 (UTC)


Ali,
You really must learn that advocaat ends in a T, not an A !!!!


Hope everyone had a fab Christmas. Please all think of me at work while you're all out enjoying New Year (boo hoo).

Neil.

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 20:23:55 (UTC)



Heather arn't they poisonous? I was never very well up on my snakes.
love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 18:56:07 (UTC)


I have just heard over the news that a player was killed today when lightning struck a football match in South Africa. A few years ago lightning hit a youngster on a school rugby field in Vryheid. He was knocked unconcious but survived partly paralyzed.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 17:19:44 (UTC)


Craig

Thanks a ton - sounds logical. Have a fab New Year.


Elaine Russell (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:39:10 (UTC)


Nico
how did you guess I am the worlds number one fan of that wonderful drink begining with A and ending with A.
thanks
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:20:10 (UTC)


HI ALL
A huge hug and kiss for those who have been so wonderful in helping me get through a very difficult week.....
love you guys to bits.......that is what this GNR family is all about, love Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:15:43 (UTC)


I've just spent the last hour having a chat with Geoff Gogle. He hasn't changed since I last saw him.

Good to see you again Geoff and hopefully Norma and I will be able to get together before you leave.

Click for image.

Johnny

A puffadder. That was why I caught it, I wouldn't try catching any other type of snake.

With the rains, we have a lot of snakes around, trying to get away from the rain I suppose. Last week I had what I think was a black mamba in the house but it was only small, about six inches long and my cats got to it before I could save it. The day before that my staff killed another baby outside. I assume there is a nest outside somewhere.

And of course, at this time of the year all the other bugs and plants are very much in evidence - chongololos, flying ants, glow worms, Christmas beetles, flame lilies.

When Cookie and Teresa Brassington were here in November, we drove down to Siavonga for the day. I was to meet them at the Turnpike and while I was waiting for them, I could hear the sound of the Christmas beetles. But what I hadn't known before was that the sound would start and continue for a few minutes and then all would go silent and then a few minutes later, it would start again. As we were driving along, we could also hear the beetles and then they would stop until a little further on when we would hear them again. We did stop to record the sound on a digital recorder, but there is too much background noise. Next time I think I shall have to go clambering through the bush to get a good recording.

Barry Woodrow

Have you tried those shrimp with Chibuku or Kachasu? It will enhance the flavour considerably.

Enjoy your holiday.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:28:30 (UTC)


Elaine,

I think it has to do with the 12 days of Christmas, and apparently it's unlucky to have your tree and/or decorations up past the 12th day (or so the old-wive's tale goes).


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 10:39:55 (UTC)


Kenneth Miller


Thanks a ton for the beautiful tale of "Christmas Past".  You bought back some wonderful memories - if I remember correctly, Father Christmas arrived at the Kasama Club in a Landrover????  The first part about the tree had me smiling as the memories came back - the little clip-on candle holders; the special battered star for the top; and the baubles that came out with David Livingstone (I swear they were that old)!!!  After Christmas - exactly 12 days (for what reason I do not know) everything would be lovingly re-packed and put away for the next year. 


I do hope that you have had a superb Christmas and all the best for 2003.



Elaine Russell (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 08:57:12 (UTC)



Heather What species was your guest a baby python? Johnny.



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 06:55:13 (UTC)


Heather,

Your uninvited guest is really beautiful! Hope he slithered off happily!

Jill

PS Going to the seaside for a week - so Northerners -

Have a Great New Year's Celebration!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 19:39:57 (UTC)


Northerners

A picture of an uninvited visitor, but who was nevertheless invited in, spent the night in the spare room and the next morning I gave him a lift to where I knew I would find some of his own kind and where he is now safe.

Click for image.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 09:58:16 (UTC)



I liked this one I hope you smile.

The average man's life consists of twenty years of having his mother ask him where he is going; forty years of having his wife ask the same question; and at the end, the mourners wondering too!

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 21:31:50 (UTC)



My dear Alix you may have been right about us being joined but all the minerals in the ground where you are were the results of what we used to send to the tips as discards as we used to mine copper rated at 95%pure and we used to send any under 50% to the dumps which I suppose nowisAustralia but not to worry about it it was a long time ago Love to you Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:21:08 (UTC)


Hi to All of You,
Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2003.
Had a brilliant day with the family, opened presents, cooked Christmas lunch, ate had a sleep and now talking to you all.
I am finally working after a two and a half year early retirement, it was great while it lasted, just looked after my Mom and Dad and played golf just about every day. I haven't played in seven weeks, yeah busy working. I am working for the Sunshine Tour (PGA Tour), and also caddy for Sean Pappas, so who knows I might get back to Zambia next year, not to play golf but to caddy in the Zambia Open.
My Mom is 100 % well, she was given the all clear again on Monday, so she is full of beans (it is great to see), just two years ago she got out of hospital and was nearly a goner - but she is a strong old bird and has lots of faith.
Dad is doing well, turned 70 this year, he still plays a lot of golf, but slowly losing his eyesight and memory, very sad to see.
Gavin is well, he is still working at Rooderport Country Club, has been there for 11 years now. So if you ever get to Jo'Burg and want a round of golf go to Rooderport - good rates for NR's and Zambians.
Anyway have a fantastic festive season, wish I was still up there, 'cause where I live (you just don't wanna know)
See ya
Lindsay Cummings

Lindsay CummingsClick here to contact me
Orkney, South Africa
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:17:09 (UTC)


FREE SAUNA !!!!!!
Hi all Northerners,
I just like to say hope everyone is having a wonderful time, eating plenty, and of course cheering plenty ( I forgot to buy the Amarula so not all that cheery here :( )
though a lot of water is being drunk, as it is very HUMID , near on oppressive.....so we would like to give this wonderful sauna away....how about you guys in the winter north, Artie ? Craig ? Peter D ? oh well....at least one thing we are getting the thunder and lightening shows, I was told just recently that Zambia has one of the highest incidences of lightening strikes because of the copper in the ground.....W.A. has a lot too. maybe there is a little in the truth that Africa and Australia were joined as one....???, as we have our fair share of minerals in the ground as well.!!!
oh well I am going to try and get some well needed sleep.....or .......maybe another night in the tropics for us ??
Ali


Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 15:08:39 (UTC)


Hi everyone,

Just a quick note to all of you (sleepers and all) to wish you and your family a very merry Christmas, and all the best for a prosperous New Year.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 12:52:40 (UTC)


Message posted on behalf of Susan Karalis:

A happy Christmas to everyone on the GNR.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 12:13:45 (UTC)


Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

The turkey is in the oven, Father Christmas has been and there are a pile of presents under the tree BUT my two children (Vicky and Ross)are still in bed sleeping off their Christmas Eve (and well into Christmas Day) celebrations!!!! I will have to start playing the Christmas CD in a moment on full volume to wake them up!!!!

Hope you all have a brilliant day

Love to you and your families

Diane xxxxx

Diane Sewley (née Longman)Click here to contact me
Bristol, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 09:26:11 (UTC)


Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas and a Wonderful New Year

With special thanks to Craig, Arthur, Heather and Dave for all your work in running the GNR.

And - on a non-germane note - for Dave and Heather - the Gulf shrimp here is just as good as the Mozambique prawns !!

On vacation in Fort Myers, Florida ....


Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 22:07:02 (UTC)


A peaceful and blessed Christmas to all my friends, old and new.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 21:25:51 (UTC)


Northerners,

Wishing you all a wonderful Christmas and a peaceful and happy 2003.

We look forward to meeting you all at the Livingstone Lark -coming soon to a World Wonder Site near You!

Lots of love and good wishes from,

Jill, Otto, Kai and Tristan

PS - Special good wishes to all those who make this wonderful site possible - bottoms up!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 20:38:44 (UTC)


Northeners...

Wishing you all a very .Mmerry Christmas and a prosperous 2003!!!!!!

Expecting snow tomorrow, yeah....

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 17:46:40 (UTC)


Oh Craigy

Forgot to say - Thank you for rescinding the Code of Misconduct. You are always thinking of this site and how to make it better and worrying too much about this motley group. THANKS! You are a STAR!

Oh and Sarky, Dawie and Heather aren't too bad either!!!

;-)))))

Love you all!

Tina
now going into silent mode for a bit

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:49:45 (UTC)


Johnny - and that tribe the Foo Karwee , always got lost in 9 foot mealies . We'd hear them calling for each other .

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:16:42 (UTC)


Ali informs me it has been Christmas in New Zealand and Fiji for five hours, Sydney and Melbourne for three hours and Perth for a few minutes.

SO JOY TO YOU ALL FROM US AS THE WORLD TURNS TOWARDS CHRISTMAS MORNING. Our hearts are especially with all of you on the old home turf in Zambia.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:09:04 (UTC)


To all my old, new and potential friends on the GNR, may you have a Joyous and Blessed Christmas and may 2003 be all you wish it to be. Drive safely where ever you may be and look after yourselves. Thank you one and all for making the GNR such a great site !

Cheers from sunny and slightly windy Cape Town.

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:19:38 (UTC)


Hello and Merry Christmas to you all

I am at work this morning (in the exciting insurance industry) and thought it would be a quiet last day before the holiday, then this man rings for a quotation for insurance at 9.30am (GMT) - you just know that you'll get an awkward one to deal with on your last day with only 3 hours to go.
He is a courier and needs insurance for unlimited Goods In Transit, one night only, worldwide cover. There is no security on the vehicle, but he says that you may get bitten by the power units. He does not require Public Liability Cover and doesn't require Employers Liability either as he is a one man band. Product Liability isn't his problem either because if your Aunt chose those socks or jumper then thats a problem between you and her! The risk is based somewhere between the North Pole and Lapland. The current insurer is not offering renewal. Can I help????
Ho Ho Ho.

Just thought this might make you all laugh wherever you are.

Hope you all enjoy the festivities and don't get too sozzled!! Best wishes for the new year.

Carole





Carole Evans (née Bruce)Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 09:51:22 (UTC)


To all of you where ever you be - Happy Christmas and have a wonderful New Year.
If you know of people from Fort Jimmy School in the late 50's or Norfolk House in Bulawayo in the 60's would you ask them to contact me.
Take care - it's nice to amongst friends again.

David GreensladeClick here to contact me
Brecon, Wales
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:58:08 (UTC)


Mark and Lizzie

Merry Christmas to you all, thanks for the message, we look forward to getting together in Sunny Wales. Sorry for the the lack of contact, but up to 'eyeballs' with packing and selling up.
Sad to hear about Tony, Dean his son and Keith were firm friends for all the years that we were there, really sad.

Love Fiona and Graham

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:49:34 (UTC)


Jonny,

Regarding the age of Tony Holt, he was, we are pretty sure 20 years of age when his son Dean was born, Dean would now be 31 years of age, which would put Tony approximately 51 years of age, not absolutely certain, but very close. Very sad for someone to pass away at such a young age.

regards Fiona and Graham

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:44:19 (UTC)


Graham and I were very sorry to year the sad news of Tony Holts passing. Our condolences to all the Holt family. We fond memories of Tony and Leslie Holt in earlier years when their son Dean and our son Keith were growing up together. Another team member for that great Nchanga team in the sky.

regards Fiona and Graham

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:37:43 (UTC)


We wish you a very merry Christmas with today being the Swedish Christmas. Gud Jul. On behalf of all the families I would like to thank Arthur,Craig,Dave and Heather for their support and each and every member,reader and lurker for standing by us during our sad time.
It has not been the easiest of times but you all made life just that bit more bearable.
Today, Lotta, Dennis and Nicky share their first Christmas with us without their Dad. We will always have a place set for Ashley and for our many friends that showed such love and support.
Lotta has done a web design course and may be going to the few Kitwe corporates in the New Year to start her new venture.
Dennis has received a quad from his Uncle Nico,(This one will take him fishing thanks to a generous bookie) and Nicky has persevered with her riding and ponies.
Pour a glass of wine and reflect. We all Thank you again.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:06:04 (UTC)


Johnny
I'm sorry but I do not have details other than he was in Zimbabwe at the time. If I hear anything else, I will let you know. Perhaps one of our other members has more information?

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:42:28 (UTC)



Linda bad news indeed how old was Tony he was not that old I remember his dad died young as well about 10 years ago, thanks for telling us.Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:33:06 (UTC)



Doug much harm can come to young man in a nine foot high mealie patch with his trousers down,some of my friends will know to what I am referring to when they think back to the dreaded spider I sent them of the results of a bite by it, of course there are other dangers to beware of when you have your pants down in nine foot mealies, Shalaneepo Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:29:16 (UTC)


I hope I am not upsetting anyone by taking this liberty, but I wanted to let those people who knew Tony Holt from Chingola that I have just received an email advising me that he passed away suddenly on December 18th.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 21:31:52 (UTC)


Mutende ba Chisanga

Maybe I should have said many instead of most. It probably arises from the traditional respect of the African people for persons in a position of authority; also from the fact that leaders were viewed as liberation heroes rather than as politicians. There are certainly some brave, even heroic journalists in Zimbabwe at the moment.

In South Africa the government is still enjoying the tail end of the post liberation honeymoon with the media. Sunshine journalism is encouraged and this is not good.

The honeymoon coming to an end and many journalists are taking a more critical line, and treating fat cat politicians as just that.

Shalenipo Mukwai

Nine - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:52:14 (UTC)


A very happy Christmas to all my GNR friends, old and new. I hope you all have a great one and let's hope for a peaceful new year!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:03:45 (UTC)


Doug Grewar

You are mistaken if you think that "most African journalists" are obsequious when interviewing senior politicians from the continent. I do not get that impression from Zambia's fiery Post newspaper or from the Nigerian dailies.

There certainly was a time when it was "prudent" to be mindful of the great achievements of whichever great leader the journalits was interviewing. Those days, I am happy to say, appear to be over.

I did met Modise when I was observing the 1994 South African election on behalf of the UN. Even then I thought he was quite promising.

A happy holiday season. Joyeaux Noel. Twamuchelela pa Chaka. Mupite Bwino.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:02:51 (UTC)


Doug Grewar

You are mistaken if you think that "most African journalists" are obsequious when interviewing senior politicians from the continent. I do not get that impression from Zambia's fiery Post newspaper or from the Nigerian dailies.

There certainly was a time when it was "prudent" to be mindful of the great achievements of whichever great leader the journalits was interviewing. Those days, I am happy to say, appear to be over.

I did met Modise when I was observing the 1994 South African election on behalf of the UN. Even then I thought he was quite promising.

A happy holiday season. Joyeaux Noel. Twamuchelela pa Chaka. Mupite Bwino.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:02:49 (UTC)



SEASONS GREETINGS

Wishing everyone on the "Great North Road" website a very

happy Christmas and healthy and prosperous New Year in

2003.


From Don Heath and family in cold and snowy Canada

Don HeathClick here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 19:27:38 (UTC)


I did not know Kevin but I must offer my condolences to his family. Cancer is bad news and it is amazing how much is around nowadays. John Glen died of cancer and my second wife died of cancer so I have had some experience of the suffering it causes. Death is actually a blessing to end the suffering, so for this at least we should be happy.

On a different note; thanks to the jokers among us. Johnny the champion teaser, Fiona with her 'no eyed deer', Tina with her carrot powered horses, Ken Miller with his Reginald Swinton-Jones, Elias, Dougie Waybush and all the rest. Remember laughter is the best medicine.

To the musicians; thanks for tuning us up nicely.

To everybody else may the rain make your mealies grow tall! I have followed Graham scarscalp's advice to, "Gaan kak in die mielies" and mine are nearly 9 foot tall. I should have included him with the jokers.

To Dave, Craig, Arthur, and Heather; thanks for all the hard work you put in to give the rest of us a lot of pleasure.

Geseende Kersfees, Gesegnete Weihnachten, Nginifisela uKhisimuzi omuhle, Aziko drink & drive please, and a Happy Happy to you.

Cheers - Doug


Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 18:23:01 (UTC)



Dear Linda what planet will you be on on the 26th?

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 17:49:00 (UTC)


I wish to convey my condolences to Kevin Masons Family .
Alix Key

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 14:50:07 (UTC)


Elaine
I have just sent you Lorraine (Cloete) Robbins' email address. I am not sure if it is current. If not, post a message here to Heather Knowles and she can get it for you.

To the Family of Kevin Mason
My deepest sympathy and condolences to you. Graham Boyle, thank you for taking the time to keep me in the picture when you were struggling so much with this yourself.

To the person who needed to speak to me by phone last night
I am available until December 26.


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 13:13:33 (UTC)


Hi to everyone on the GNR Site,

Here's wishing you all a very Merry Xmas and a Prosperous 2003.

While I am writing, does anyone know where I can contact an old friend from Kitwe. Her name is Lorraine Robins (nee Cloete), husband is Dave and I know that she had two daughters (one Kerry-Mae). I know they moved to Bulowayo at some stage (back in early 1980's).

Regards

Elaine Russell (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 12:55:36 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

December 23rd, 2002:
  • As a Christmas present and a reward to the membership for a fairly successful year on the message board we have rescinded the Code of Conduct. We hope that this change will be accepted in the spirit in which it is intended. Look forward to some changes in the future which should make this an even better environment for all.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 11:58:34 (UTC)



To all the GNR Members Pierre and myself would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.

Cheers Diana

Diana Fabel (née Jones)Click here to contact me
Kempton Park, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 10:06:16 (UTC)


Jill,

Thanks for letting us know. My condolences to Kevin's family and friends too.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 09:59:32 (UTC)


I regret to be the one to let you know that Kevin Mason passed away yesterday, 22nd December at 11.10 am, after a long, brave fight against cancer.

My deepest condolenes to Sue and the boys, as well as to Graham, Ray and Dave and all Kevin's many, many good friends.

Keep on rocking in Heaven, Kevin..

Love,

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 07:54:07 (UTC)


Merry Christmas to you all. Give it stick, Mike.

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 07:24:50 (UTC)


I'm obviously working too hard and need a holiday! That should read Prosperous New Year!

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 03:49:27 (UTC)


Northeners

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy & Properous New Year.

Sandra, Shelley, Craig and the Marsh Family

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 03:45:32 (UTC)


Tina - took me a while to get that . You are too quick by half but I think his problem is more acute - Not Bin Laid in Years ,

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 02:48:21 (UTC)


Northeners

Lizzie & I would like to wish you all a very merry xmas and a fantastic new year.

Graham & Fiona,
have a safe trip home. We will meet up when you get back to sunny Wales

Cheers
Mark

Mark PowellClick here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 22:53:54 (UTC)


Doug G

A canny interviewer can be a gift.

Get that Bin Laden on tranquilizers NOW! Poor wives (even without the firearms). Anyway he will fix the situation before he has to change his name to Not Bin Laden Months.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 16:34:13 (UTC)


Game View opened 12/10 backed into 6/10
Domino Man opened 15/10 backed into 12/10
Idle Chatter opened 5/10 drifted 6/10
Badgerman opened 15/10 backed to 8/10



Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 12:31:11 (UTC)


Doug Waybush,

We don't get 702 in Vryheid but when I go to Joburg I listen to it. I listen to SAFM which has a talk show from 8.30 to 10.00. I then get up and go to watch Gerry Springer show on TV. Never a dull moment.

The show was started by a brown nosing neo-liberal Pom whose name is not worth remembering. It was then taken over by a chap called Tim Modise who did a good job. I first saw Tim many years ago on TV interviewing President Mandela. I thought it would be the usual boring smaltz, imbongi praise singing slush that most African journalist indulge in when interviewing senior African politicians. I got a suprise! There was Tim banging Madiba with some tough questions. He brought this no-nonsense attitude to his radio show and made a great host. He has suddenly been dropped or resigned for reasons unknown, which is a great loss.

His place has been taken by Dennis 'the Bek'(mouth or beak) Beckett of 'Becketts Trek' TV series fame. Dennis is also doing a good job. The Bek's only problem is he talks more than listens.

Did you hear that bin Ladin has just killed his 4th wife. Apparently she was pulling up her dress, when he saw a Bush, pulled out his gun and shot it.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 10:48:21 (UTC)


Back in the concrete jungle we call home after a wonderful evening with Linda and her warm loving family in Austin. They bid us a cheery goodbye as they patted us down and removed their silverware from us on our way out.

Then we hitched up the horses to drive back, getting a suitable supply of carrots to hang off the old pole in front of 'em to keep em going. Plenty of the old hand signals on the road all around us as we travelled north. Sad how many people can only count to one or two with their fingers.

Another seasonal party tonight. Watched a bloke in monacle and handlebar mustache chase a giggly horse-faced gel across the lawn by tilly lamp but it happened so fast I might have imagined that. Met an Indian couple from Durbs at this party. Us ex-Africans are everywhere I'm happy to say.

Thank you all for the birthday wishes.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 05:21:19 (UTC)


Doug Grewar ,

Were you on 702 AM ? I listen to it here in Maryland . Actually the best bits are between 2am and 5am SA time when the crazies call in !!!

702 Radio Live from SA

Best wishes for Christmas and New Year to all the GNR members ; and may the healthy disagreements continue !!!

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 22:46:54 (UTC)


Message from Reggie .....


Dear Miller,

Again I am encountering difficulties accessing the GNR, and must old chap, rely on your gracious good will to forward my Christmas Greetings to one and all.

I am getting more into the Christmas Spirit with each gin and "T" that I pour. The medicinal properties have certainly helped in curtailingmy recurring bouts with malaria.

Last week I played Father Christmas at the local orphanage, my how the children delighted in my red and white costume. I have also noted that Lady Pamala Worthington of Swithens in the Swamp also enjoys it when I
chase her in my jolly Old Elf suit.

As we celebrate the festival of peace, we are certainly facing troubling times in this old world of ours. That scoundral Saddam Insane is a devious chap. The lads that I served with in the Indian Army during W.W.ll, could teach him a thing or two.

Thank God, political correctness has not reached Chinsali, although I believe it may have reached Mpika, and definitly Bwana Makubwa. Who ever heard of calling Christmas the Holiday Season or the Festive Season. I take my holidays in July , are they going to wish me Merry
Christmas then ? How do they intend to change Easter, perhaps they could refer to it as Bunny Day.

My wish for the coming year is that more tolerance be shown on the GNR and that no malicious intent be written. Where have our old friends gone, maybe, just maybe that skalliwag Elias could return.

I will be spending Christmas day with Count Claude de Champignon, as our American friends would say a fun guy, and his lovely wife the Countess Simone who is even more fun especially after a few glasses of bubbly.

The paraffin is getting low in the old tilly lamp, and I have finished my daily bottle of gin so I must bid you adieu.

May you all have a Merry Christmas and your mealie crop flourish in 2003.

Yours in her Britannic Majesty's service in this the year of her Jubillee.


Reginald Swinton-Jones, O.B.E., D.S.O. and Scar, R.S.V.P.
District Commissioner
Chinsali, Northern Rhodesia



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Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 20:09:30 (UTC)


BRASSO IS BACK!!!!!!!

Greetings all Northerners. Poota now back from repair and no longer poorly! Sorry I've missed U all. Have had severe GNR withdrawal symptoms too ............ !!!!!!

Belated "Happy Birthday" greetings to all those wonderful people whom I could not communicate directly to this month! Hope U all had wonderful birthdays!

To all GNR's ........

VERY BEST WISHES TO ONE AND ALL FOR A HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY, PROSPEROUS AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR .... NATASHA, SCOTT AND GARY.



Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 19:15:56 (UTC)


Bill,
I am glad to hear you are also a loafer like me who lies in bed listening to the morning radio chat show. I didn't think Dennis was a bit short with me, in fact I waffled on a bit. Like most South Africans he gets mixed up between Rhodesia and Northern Rhodesia. I was trying to find the meaning of Mapungubwe from his Venda speaking guest, who unfortunately did not know, but told us quite a funny story about the origins of Vryheid, which is now part of the Abaqulusi municipality. Apparently one Zulu King chased his arrogant sister away from Nongoma and banished her to what is now the Vryheid area. Apparently he told her, "We don't want to see your backside around here again". This is apparently what gave rise to the name Abaqulusi. At least I managed to get in a plug for our website so we may reach a few more lost Northern Rhodesians now living in RSA.

Yep, John Glen! When he was dying of cancer I visited him and we agreed that if and when he reached the other side, if there is another side, he would make every effort to contact me, so that we could scheme some plans. Maybe a bit of import/export, selling plots in heaven etc. You must know the story, where Hitler nearly bribed Jesus to let him into Heaven with the promise of Germany's highest award 'The Iron Cross'. So all things are possible.

Nothing happened until a few months after his death. When I returned back from shopping, my maid informed me I had missed a phone call, but she had written down the chap's name and number. You guessed it! It was John Glen and a long number. This gave me quite a fright because as an atheist I wasn't really expecting any call. With shaking hands I rang the number and it was Tiger, John's son in England. I never knew his name was also John, I only knew him as Tiger from the day he was born. Phew!

Around 1969 John had to make a hurried exit from Zambia as the taxman was sniffing around. It was one of those expatriates, loaned from the UK to jack up the leaky Zambian system. These guys didn't play fair; you couldn't even bribe them. This guy started asking around about the chap who had a fleet of earth moving machinery and trucks building the Great North Road, who had 2 brand new mustangs and a private plane, but who had no record in the Tax office.

John like any true swashbuckling Northern Rhodesian had an allergy to paying any sort of tax, and had never registered with them. He always used to operate on a cash basis but grew to big for that and had to open a bank account to stash some of his loot.


A few days before the Taxman swooped John did a duck to Bulawayo. He managed to leave with, inter alia, his mustangs, his powerboat, 2 landrovers, a Toyota crown custom station wagon, a grand piano, and of course his 4 seater plane (I cannot remember the make, maybe a Piper Apache). He was horrified when he found that the Rhodesians were even worse than the Zambians and expected him to pay import duty on all these items. It took him over a year to work things out but he never paid a cent.

At one stage the Rhodesian director of civil aviation tried to get some info from his Zambian counterpart about a man who was flying a Zambian registered plane on a Congolese flying license. The license was non-existent of course. When asked for it, John told them he had lost it and was awaiting a replacement from the Congo. In the meantime he kept on flying but was quite worried about the Zambians would reply to the DCA. Finally the reply arrived. It stated short and sourly, "We do not deal with Rebel Regimes"! This let John off the hook and he was delightful with this department of the Zambian Government.

On one flight (still on his Congo license) coming back from the Natal south coast (where his folks had retired to Scottsburg) he got caught in a cunim updraft over the Drakensbergs. He was pulled so high that ice was forming on his wings and he thought that he was going to die. Suddenly there was an opening in the storm clouds and he managed to dive out and landed on the nearest bit of level ground, which was a golf course. After enjoying the hospitality of the 19th hole he booked into a hotel for the night before servicing the plane and continuing his journey. After that experience he decided to sell the plane and bought an E-type Jaguar instead, which probably went faster than the plane.

Life is so boring nowadays!

Cheers - Doug

PS - I have just heard that there is a 5 kilometer queue at Biet Bridge so if you were thinking of going to Zims to enjoy Bob's hospitality be prepared for a long wait.


Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 18:18:13 (UTC)



Chris some prices please of the 4 thanks pal Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 17:50:55 (UTC)


A Christmas past...

In 1963 we lived in Broken Hill. My dad worked in the for RR in the Goods Shed - where all the stuff arrived by rail. Just before Xmas an Afghan puppie arrived all the way from England. When the owner picked it up he said it was a xmas present for his wife. My dad jokingly told him if his wife did not like it....

A few days after xmas the owner bought the puppie in and told my dad his wife hated it and if he would give it a good home he could have it for free.

Pasha had a pedigree three miles long but adjusted to the "workers" Dielissen household instantly (except for a few run ins with the cat who after all was the boss...). He was long haired and finally had to be shaved as the daily blackjack removal took hours... He was the friendliest dog imaginable and loved following all the neighbourhood kids everywhere.

Pasha did get into trouble. He loved to bring home chickens from the neighbour across the greenway. As a bonus he got their little sausage dog pregnant as well. The puppies looked like little piggies with curly tails. Despite all this he lived to the ripe old age of 17 finally succumbing well past his 9th life.

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 17:25:07 (UTC)


CHRISTMAS PAST......

As a young boy growing up in Kasama during the early 1950s, I have wonderful memories of Christmas.

A week before, Dad would bring home some form of evergreen Christmas tree. As a tree they never did appear very handsome, however once bedecked and ladden with ornaments they were transformed into things of beauty. We had no electricity so small candles were carefully placed on the branches. Mum would then gently unwrap the tissue paper protecting the battered tinsel star with its string of bells, and then Dad placed it at the top of the tree. Now everything was complete. The star had shone brightly from Dad's Christmas trees when he was a wee lad growing up in Scotland.

The lounge was decorated with multicoloured paper chains that stretched from the centre of the room to the corners. A cluster of large honeycomed red and green paper bells were placed where the paper chains met in the middle of the room.

Christmas mail from "Home" started to arrive towards the end of November, having made the trip from Britain by a Union Castle liner to Capetown, then by rail to Broken Hill and finally by lorry along the dusty red Great North Road to Kasama. The Christmas cards were placed on the large mantle over the fireplace, while large brown paper parcels were quickly whisked away to some secret hiding place.

On the Saturday before Christmas, the Kasama Club held an annual children's Christmas Party. Tables creaked from the mountain of sandwhichs and baked goodies and gallons of Oris was consumed by the children while the Mums and Dads enjoyed Christmas Spirit of a higher octane. Games were played and Festive songs and Carols sang.

The highlight was without a doubt the spectacular entrance when Father Christmas dressed all in red with white trim and his flowing white beard, burst in to the ballroom carry a large sack of presents. Sitting on his throne, one by one he called out our names. After a brief consultation as to our behaviour he would cheerfully give us a gift. Was this Jolly Old Elf, who tended to have a Glaswegian accent not unlike Uncle Johnny really Father Christmas ?

At school Mrs Edwards had rehearsed us all for the Christmas Pageant. Proud parents came to watch us all as we sang and acted out the coming of Christ. I never got to be Joseph or one of the Three Wise Guys, and invariably would be relageted to play a sheperd.

Just before going to bed on Christmas Eve, oh! how I tried to be good at least for one day, Dad would carefully light the candles on the tree. The dancing orangey flickering flames filled the room with magical light as the flames reflected off the red, green and blue metallic balls. My stocking was securely placed on the mantle and then of to bed. Going to sleep was so hard ..... questions raced through my head ..... having convinced myself that I meet the behaviour criteria, I was confident Father Christmas would indeed visit me .

On Christmas Day just as the early morning light streamed through my bedroom window, I would leap out of bed and rush to the lounge .... YES!..... Father Christmas had come, there at the base of the tree were a mountain of gifts wrapped in an eclectic assortment of wrapping paper and bright red ribbon. A quick glance towards the mantle confirmed that my stocking had been filled to overflowing.

Ah! the temptation to start opening the presents. A small voice suggested that perhaps I should wake up good old Mum and Dad. Having aroused the household, the three of us still in our pajamas and dressing gowns sat around the Christmas Tree to open the presents.

I recall receiving books of my favourite comics,the "Beano"
the "Dandy", "Oor Wullie" and the "Boys Own Annual". Dinky toys that I always wanted, and my very first Meccano
Set. There were always the clothing items that some old auntie in Scotland would have sent, and Mum would remind me that it was the thought that counts.

After a hearty breakfast and giving John the cook and Timothy our houseboy ( or to be politically correct our domestic engineer ) presents for themselves and their families, we would go to the small interdenominational chuch to celebrate Christmas, while our Roman Catholic friends attended the chapel at the White Fathers residence.

As turkeys were unavailable, one of our many chickens paid the final sacrifice for our Christmas lunch which always ended with a traditional trifle made by Mum.The sharp crack of crackers filled the room and we all dutifully wore the the paper crowns.

In the early afternoon as I would be playing with my new toys, Mum reading and Dad catching forty winks the sound of African drums, whistles and singing would periodically break the silence. There in the front yard, small groups of Africans, many in tribal dress would entertain us. When their musical interlude was over the leader of the group would approach and ask for a " Klismas Boxy". After receiving a few shillings they would merrily continue onto the next house.

Yes,at 56,I still believe in Father Christmas, even if he is represented by Uncle Johnny and others.By listening and acting on the true meaning of Christmas, that of peace and goodwill to all, let us all try and leave a better world for our children and grandchildren.

Melly Klismas




















Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 16:01:19 (UTC)


Game View and Domino Man please the public with good wins. The other two fill the placings.I got the fishing trip money to go to Itezi Tezi.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 15:56:53 (UTC)


Hello Johnny
It was lovely seeing Tina and meeting Ted. He is a huge cuddly Teddy Bear, although I did not get the pleasure of a cuddle. My kids fell in love with Tina instantly, and I don't know if she could hear the "She's a very nice lady" comment from one of them as we closed the door. My son Chris cannot see her as a helicopter pilot. Too refined.. I should have told him about Tina at Fiona's house when she got into the South African wine. 'Nuff said! he! he!
We live about 4 hours apart in Texas. About 200 miles on horseback. Your comment about never seeing a cowboy movie where they made hand signals on horses really hit me funny. I could not stop laughing at the image, especially since a cowboy in Texas could ride for a day without seeing anyone else around. A bit of a wasted signal. It seems the modern day cowboys in their BMWs must all be going the same way as they only use the one-fingered signal.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 14:48:59 (UTC)



Linda did they bring there own mealie meal, and check your silverware before they leave, and as regards going out on the town the pair of you be careful I believe they have some very strict laws there, as a matter of interest how far apart do you live? have a happy time love to you both Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 10:35:35 (UTC)


Todays treble is
Turfontein race 5 - Game View
Turfontein race 7 - Domino Man
Turfontein race 9 - Badgerman

Glen Kotzen fancies his horse in the first in Cape Town
Race 1 13.05 kenilworth - Idle Chatter

The four way all to come and doubles and trebles may give good returns.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 09:34:30 (UTC)


To All These Mwanas on This GNR Place
UH! You cannot beleaf your hears! Ms. Tina is to my kaya!
This Bubbas Man is here futti.

Howdy y'all. I kindaly couldn't fergit Ms. Mahteetee an so I mosied by tuh take her out fur a Texas Two Step. Man I may never recover but whut a way tuh go!!!!!!!!
Hey All! Tina and Linda are together. Bad news!!!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 02:41:51 (UTC)


PETER D IS A ROMANTIC!!!
That is what I get from his lovely story about romance in the snow and coolth. May you and yours have many more and keep it up, Peter!
That gets more relevant as the years go by, I find.
Gotta keep the union strong.
Yvette and I got married in the snow here in Haywood,Manitoba, from whence I log in tonight. Cold and snow make a snuggly bed more welcome, tho' one doesnt need that when newly married. It still evokes memories and smiles when we recall getting lost in a snowstorm on the way into Winnipeg after the reception. Finally found ourselves going round the ring road of the city, which, being named for Yvette's g.g.g.g'mothers side, did nothing to help us find our hotel.
All ended up OK and 33 years later it still reverberates when we are here for Christmas.
Winter solstice in a day or so and then the days begin lenthening so thats the boring thing I say to Yvette each year. Like a tradition. Or evidence of advancing senility, Im not sure.
All the best wishes Craig and Arthur and Madam Lusaka and all who help here.
Bil;l

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 02:10:41 (UTC)



Dear Texas Tina many happy returns of the day and give it hell love Johnny.x


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 19:57:52 (UTC)


Northerners....

A REAL northern Xmas story...

So there I was, my first Xmas in the Yukon - minus 35C but very bright and clear.

My girlfriend (and now wife) and I decided to spend Xmas eve at the cabin by the (frozen) lake. Being the NR gentleman I am (ahem) I volunteered to drive up a few hours early and get the fire going in the cabin so that by the time my girlfriend drove up it would be nice and cozy.

It was a real northern night. Gorgeous multi coloured northern lights dancing in the sky and a gazillion stars behind them. I am not sure what came over me (Northern Rhodesian craziness????) but I decided to drag the four poster brass bed to the lake shore. I placed a blanket on the mattress followed by an electric blanket, bottom fitted flannelette sheet, top flannelette sheet, another electric blanket followed by another pile of regular blankets and a down filled duvet. I ran the electric lawnmower cord from the cabin to the bed and cranked the electric blankets to high - keeping my fingers crossed.

My girlfriend arrived and we had a great candle light supper listening to Xmas carols on the shortwave radio. When it was time to go to bed she shrieked that someone had stolen the bed. I told her I intended for us to sleep outside under the northern lights. She told me I was totally crazy...

But to humour me we stripped down kaalgat and put our toques on (being good Canadians) and ran outside to the bed. It was nice and toasty under the blankets. The biggest problem we had was keeping the champagne from freezing - too cold outside the blankets and too hot underneath the blankets.

It was most romantic cuddling up together looking at the northern lights and trying to identify the stars while sipping on champagne and smooching and making love...... We repeated this every Xmas thereafter while in the Yukon.

This Xmas is our 10th Xmas together. Wish we could do it again but living in a more civilized part of the world makes it impossible. But on Xmas eve we will snuggle up together and fantasize about being in the Yukon again...

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 18:20:18 (UTC)


Doug Grewar

Hey Doug! I got to put voice to name today!
Listened to your discussion with Dennis Beckett on SA radio today. Well done - pity Mr Beckett was so short with you.

Doug, re: your postings about possible Chinese links with ancient Africa.
The Yao tribe that populated the one shore of Lake Nyasa - any oriental connections there?
It would have be a bitter blow to Livingstone's stiff upper lip if it turned out that one of Mao's ancestor's already owned a trading store at Vic Falls & offered David a cold Castle to celebrate the discovery by a white man of "The Smoke that Thunders"!!
Do you have anymore Johnny Boy Glen anecdotes to amuse the new folk to GNR? The White Cannibal tale bears repeating
Best Regards
Bill


Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:53:46 (UTC)


Hi Fiona, Diane, Tina

I see I missed birthday wishes along the lines, hope the two (Di and Tina) had good ones. We are a bit up to our eyeballs here, house looking emptier by the minute.Most of the big stuff sold already, place looking bare. Shipping packing date 18th January. Then we are for the off,29 th January via Australia, New Zealand, Far East, London and Home to sunny South Wales (mmmh). Where we will look forward to that mini BASH Fi!!

Scarscalp -- where are u? we had a great time at the Dubai 7's your wish was granted and a shirt was duly found!! It shall be packed in the shipment (3 months on the open seas)!! tut tut ok, if I have room I will pack it, only if I room. (unless of course if Graham wears it!!) what ya reckon?

M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S AND H A P P Y N E W Y E A R

TO ONE AND ALL

GRAHAM AND FIONA

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:52:35 (UTC)


Chisanga
Re Black Jews; actually I was talking about a tribe in the Northern Province of South Africa, but it is interesting to know that there was a similar thing in Zambia with the Lungu's.

Seeing as your Great-Grandmother was a Lungu, must we now greet you as Mazeltov Mukwai? :-)

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:50:13 (UTC)


Alix and Fiona
Tina and Ted will be with us, hopefully, this evening at my house. Since she probably has not checked the GNR today, I will log on when they get here so she can see her messages.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:42:36 (UTC)


Tina
Happy Birthday!

Johnny
Your warning about mixing ladies and beer reminds me of a pal of mine who went out drinking beer in Bulawayo. He met up with an attractive lady and they ended up in her double bed. She had some photos of her husband on the dressing table but said not to worry as he was out of town.

The excessive consumption of beer caused my friend to wake up early in the morning. As he arose to go to the toilet he saw that there was another man sleeping on the other side of the woman. The husband had returned home and probably not switched on the light to avoid disturbing his wife and slipped into bed without noticeing my pal.

My friend very quietly got dressed and let himself out and drove off. He never went back again. God looks after fools and drunkards.

Wilma
Enjoy your holiday in RSA.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:42:26 (UTC)


TINA, IT IS THE SUMMER SOLSTICE HERE ON THE 21ST, AND IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE THE WINTER SOLSTICE.....MAY TODAY AND TONIGHT BE FILLED WITH YOUR WARMTH AND LOVE, AND DO "PLEASE" HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, HAPPY, WONDERFUL AND CHEERS FULL DAY AND NIGHT FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY........."
ALL OUR LOVE AND WISHES FROM
ALI, ALICE , JADE (TTAB LRIG ) AND LIZZY THE LEAH....OH AND OF COURSE ROISIN (WITH THE NEW LOOK) JASPER AND POLY
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
(oh and like fifi, I won't risk the fancy writing either...giggles....ali
(tis the 21st here so you can start the cheersing up early if you like, just put yourself in a sauna...imagine your'e celebrating down under.....



Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:12:45 (UTC)


To all you happy GNR people.

This is a quick message to wish you all a very happy christmas and a very merry new year.

I will be missing the winter christmas this year and exchanging it for a summer on in SA.

Bye for now

Love Wilma and Peter

Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 14:04:08 (UTC)


Oops! I'm a day early, but she did say it was on Friday! Anyway, happy birthday for tomorrow Tina!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 13:53:10 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TINA MAGEE!!!

Hope you're having a lovely day and that you get lots and lots of love and pressies.

Love

Fiona

P.S. Sorry, no more HTML for me!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 13:52:14 (UTC)


To all the "Home Girls and Boys" (No matter where your home is now!)

I wish each and everyone of you and your families a blessed Christmas and a new year filled with love and laughter and sunshine (and those of you who do not get much sunshine I know that you have your sunny memories of those glorious bygone Northern Rhodesian days to brighten your surroundings).

Much love
Vivienne

Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 07:44:11 (UTC)


Tina,

Thanks for the lovely verse and thoughts, yes we feel like family to me too - even Johnny!

Johnny,

That's cowboys and blondes for you.

Love,
Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 06:00:33 (UTC)



Dear Jill in all the cowboy films i have watched i never ever saw one cowboy stick his hand out to signal which way he was going, I do remember a blonde girl friend of mine when driving down the main street of Chingola stuck out her arm and signalled to turn right, two seconds later it was out again but this time the hand on the end of her arm was being being shook from side to side violently, I enquired what that signal signified she said that was cancel my previous signal and that is a true story. love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 23:20:32 (UTC)


We spring from Mother Africa. Our hearts and minds she formed.
Her dusty earth caressed our feet. Her sun nourished and warmed.
Our blood beats with the cadence of the drums and chants we knew.
We still hear the hyena and the leopard hunting too.
We won't agree on everything - how boring that would be.
But you're my spirit's family and you're precious to me.
If I dont feel that sun and smell that dust and see those skies
It's all there in your smiles, your words, the kinship in your eyes.
So every day in random thoughts and for a hundred reasons
Each one of you, friends, are true gifts, throughout the changing seasons.
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Whatever your "bag" may be - may you keep it full to the brim with love, fulfilment and meaning this season and every season.
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Slinky Sewley HAPPY BIRFDAY!!!!!
Dessie VERY BELATED HAPPY BIRFDAY!!!!
Everyone whose natal day I might have missed winking in and out of the Board as we do...
BELATED HAPPY BIRFDAY!!!!

Love,



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 21:28:35 (UTC)


Johnny,

Tut tut - hand signals originated on horseback - horses were the mode of transport up until about a century ago!

I still teach road safety to Pony Club riders, and hand signals are how us riders TRY to communicate with you brain-dead drivers - most of whom have forgotten what the signals mean -

Right hand waving patiently up and down means
Slow down you stupid git - my horse is having a panic attack!

For instance...

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 21:12:45 (UTC)



Dear Linda I did not know you had to do them when on horse back, Love Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 20:15:42 (UTC)


Yes, Peter, I have perfected them quite well here in Texas...

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 18:44:25 (UTC)



Memories...

Does anyone remember the hand signals you had to use while driving when stopping or turning corners???

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 17:25:21 (UTC)



I thought I had better publish this as it may be the saving of a friend or two, but there is always a couple of suicidal ones who will not take any notice of this warning Poor things. Take heed Johnny.

Warning
Police warn all clubbers, partygoers and unsuspecting pub regulars to be

alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman. A new date rape drug on the market called "beer" is used by many females to target unsuspecting men.

The drug is generally found in liquid form and is now available almost anywhere. It comes in bottles, cans, from taps and in large "kegs."
"Beer" is used by female sexual predators at parties andbars to persuade their male victims to go home and have sex with them.
Typically, a woman needs only to persuade a guy to consume a few units of "beer" and then simply ask him home for no strings attached sex. Men are rendered helpless against this approach. After several "beers" men will often succumb to desires to perform sexual acts on horrific looking women to whom they would never normally be attracted. After drinking "beer" men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly what happened to them the night before, often with just a vague feeling that something bad occurred.

At other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life's savings in a familiar scam known as "a relationship."

It has been reported that in extreme cases, the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the unsuspecting male into a longer term form of servitude and punishment referred to as "marriage."

Apparently, men are much more susceptible to this scam after "beer" is administered and sex is offered by the predatory female.

Please! Forward this warning to every male you know. However, if you fall victim to this insidious "beer" and the predatory women administering it, there are male support groups with venues in every town where you can discuss the details of your shocking encounter in an open and frank manner with similarly affected, like minded guys. For the support group nearest you contact the nearest pub.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 17:17:58 (UTC)



Dear Diane Many Happy returns of the day and stay as sweet as you are Love Johnny,xx

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 17:10:24 (UTC)


The recent mention of taking buses to boarding school prompted some memories.
In 1967 our travels along the Ndola-Livingstone-Bulawayo railway route (later to be intriguingly included amongst the BBC's Great Railway Journeys of the World!!!) by steam Garrett, were curtailed (I suspect for reasons of fun and freedom), and replaced with Express Motorways Mercedes buses.
We would catch these at the Fisenge turnoff and then be subjected to around a 20 hour trek via Broken Hill,Lusaka,Chirundu and Salisbury to school. No more fun to be had as we were now 'chaperoned'.
The buses were always meticulously maintained and would undergo complete oil changes over the company's servicing pit in Salisbury on both northward and southward journeys (while we were on board!), and until fairly recently, I regularly saw these great old buses still coming into Joburg from Harare.
Buses EM 10 and 11 , I seem to recall, were favourites on the Zambia/Rhodesia route.
Given their great maintainance, it's little wonder that a friend recently claimed to have seen a Mercedes print ad showing an Express Motorways bus (he thinks EM 11) under the headline "This Mercedes Bus has just completed its 3 millionth kilometre on its original engine". Can anyone verify this claim, or at least confirm that it might be possible?
Incidentally, our 1600 mile return journey (Ndola-Bulawayo-Ndola) used to cost 4 pounds, inclusive of meals and bedding (most of which was rather ungratefully jettisoned over the Vic Falls bridge!). Not by me of course!

Geoff PaynterClick here to contact me
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 15:35:43 (UTC)


TO THE YOUNG DIANE SEWLEY.
YOUR NOW AS YOUNG AS ME DI, HAVE A WONDERFUL 24TH BIRTHDAY. AND JUST THINK , NEXT YEAR YOU`LL BE 23 , I BET YOU CAN`T WAIT.
HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME HONEY AND HOPEFULLY I`LL SEE YOU VERY VERY SOON
TAKE CARE AND ENJOY YOURSELF.
DES

Des Kenny (formerly Crouch)Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 14:47:43 (UTC)


Hi Lynthia
Unfortunately, Ma Lang passed away several years ago. I got a note from her daughter, Donna about it. She was never the same after being savagely beaten in Garneton a number of years ago. She was left for dead in a bedroom closet and although she survived that attack, it left her fearful and withdrawn from life in general. I believe Donna took her to South Africa to live with her, but you know that Ma Lang loved her home in Garneton so much. Pa Lang passed away in peaceful tranquility in his bird aviary in Garneton a few years prior to that.

Ma Lang was such a powerful influence in my life as a young teenager. She believed in me when nobody else did. For that she will always hold a special place in my heart. I can still see her now. Craggy wrinkled face, gruff voice, Mazoe bottle of hot tea by her side, as she yelled at us on the softball field. We were all her kids. She loved us unconditionally, and treated us with respect, no matter our family circumstances. She was the epitome of the phrase "Rough Diamond". Definitely a bright light in my life.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 14:07:06 (UTC)


DIANE SEWLEY ............... HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHOOK! Wishing you a pleasantly memorable day and a wonderful year ahead.
Luv n hugs,
Mo xoxoxoxo

Moira SteevensClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 13:01:24 (UTC)


Diane Sewley



Happy Birthday old thing



Love from Fiona



Please let this work!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 09:59:30 (UTC)


A quick question .....

Does anyone know what happened to "Ma Laing" - ex Kitwe? Is she still alive and if so, where is she?

My mom, Dorothy Eldridge, is with me for the holidays and would dearly love to have news of her. I remember Linda Dore posting news of Rienie(?) ages ago but would appreciate an update if anyone knows.

Thanks!

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 07:54:23 (UTC)


On my way home from boarding school, my parents would pick me up in Lusaka and we would make the trip home to Kitwe by car. After turning off onto the Kitwe Ndola road we would pass by local people standing on the road side selling mushrooms. We would all shout at once to my father to stop the car as these were the best ever. The aroma of these gastronomic delights would fill the car all the way home. The large mushrooms were huge and large wedges would be cut and placed under the grill with butter and served with bread and salad. The little red ones were washed of sand thoroughly and then fried with garlic and peri peri till crunchy. To this day I have never tasted such mushrooms. Are they still available? If one thing was to entice me back to Zambia it would be those mushrooms, and when I do make the trip I will make sure it is in the mushroom season.

Barbara DohertyClick here to contact me
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 22:35:45 (UTC)


Chisanga...

My Dad dealt with Derek Kemp on several occasions and I had the pleasure of meeting him once in the early sixties.

Even though I was a kid, I remember him being a jovial fellow. I bet you a few kwachas that he is having a little chuckle in heaven right now about seeing the word "reputable" used twice in your short paragraph about lawyers...

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 17:53:49 (UTC)


Doug,

I have just seen your message about some South Africans having a genetic quirk that is common in Indians. This is not at all surprising. A few years ago, a study that took twenty years to complete, suggested that it is biologically impossible to classify the human race into different sub races based on visible features.

This work has become current again with prominent UK geneticists echoing the theme.

It has been found, for example, that the Xhosa people of South Africa are genetically closer to the Swedes than they are to any group in Southern Africa.

Turning to the Zambian jews, the small "tribe" you refer to, are the Lungu. My maternal great great grandmother was a Lungu. Looking at her photograph, taken towards the end of the nineteenth century, I see she was quite big boned.

For the record, I will say I never met her. My grandmother, who died in early 1998, did however meet her and received a fair amount of oral family history from her. From time to time my great great grandmother would refer to her ancient ancenstors from a desert like land.

Fascinating.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 17:44:47 (UTC)


Phil Kemp

I was sorry to lerarn that Derek Kemp died last Christmas. He did indeed establish one of the most reputable law firms in Zambia. I never actually met Derek but I knew him by reputation when I returned to Zambia in the late 1970s to practise law at another reputable firm, Lloyd Jones and Collins.

I certainly know John Jeary, although I have not seen him for a few years. John practised with Nick Mavrokefalos, who now lives in London, under the name DH Kemp. Shortly after Nick's departure from Zambia, John retired and left the firm in the capable hands of a young man called Richard (?)Wood.

Again, thank you for the update on the great Zambian lawyer, Derek Kemp.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 17:27:51 (UTC)


Everyone. As a born in NR newcomer, introduced to GNR through Eric Sayer (a Northern Rhodesian of old who for his sins is also my godfather, and now living in SA) I thought I might impart to anyone who knew my father the sad news of his death after many years of illness. Derek Kemp hit Lusaka in the early fifties, undoubtedly with his larger than life presence, and upon qualifying as a solicitor proceeded to establish his practice in Cairo Road Lusaka. D.H. Kemp & Co flourished and quickly established itself as a leading legal firm. Derek sold up in 1969/70 to return to the UK from whence he originally came and again excelled in legal circles eventually being awarded an OBE by HM The Queen. D.H.Kemp & Co still trades under that name having been left in the very capable hands of John Jearey. Beyond that I'm in the dark as I'm not sure if John is still at the helm. Derek passed away on Christmas Day 2001, a date that with his great sense of humour I'm sure he chose as the best day to make a departing impression! Old NR friends of the family Alan Wateridge and Colin Carden (who both are now also exiled in the UK) addressed the great turnout at his funeral in Surrey, not far from his home which was always adourned with artefacts of his time in Africa and crammed full of great memories. He is of course sorely missed by his family and friends, and I personally miss his many tales of the old days creating merry havoc across the Southern continent. Derek's widow, Ruth, is alive and well and continues to live in Surrey.

Phil KempClick here to contact me
Godalming, Surrey, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 16:37:10 (UTC)


Brian,

Thanks for reminding me to go buy this issue, it has an intro on the web page you mentioned. Great magazine!

Regards,
Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 09:22:18 (UTC)


If anyone is interested, the latest Africa - Birds & Birding magazine(South African)has a very good article about a birding trip to the north west of Zambia around Mutantda Falls. Some very nice pics too.
It may be available on their website : www.africa-geographic.com

Cheers

Brian TownsendClick here to contact me
Fourways Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 08:56:47 (UTC)



Carole you would say that wouln't you.
Regards Johnny

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 14:54:52 (UTC)


Johnny

Honestly - they weren't mine !!!!!

Carole

Carole Evans (née Bruce)Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 11:16:29 (UTC)



Just another little smile.

Three men died on Christmas Eve and were met by Saint Peter at the
pearly gates. "In honor of the season" Saint Peter said, you must
each possess something that symbolizes Christmas to get into
heaven on this holy day.

The first man fumbled through his pockets and pulled out a
lighter. He flicked it on. "It represents a holy candle", he said.
You may pass through the pearly gates Saint Peter said.

The second man reached into his pocket and pulled out a set of
keys. He shook them and said, "They're bells" Saint Peter said you
may pass through the pearly gates.

The third man started searching desperately through his pockets
and finally pulled out a pair of women's panties. "What do these
symbolize?" Saint Peter asked.

The man replied, "They're Carol's!"

Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 16, 2002 at 20:04:49 (UTC)


Hi All,

Anyone going to Durban or thereabouts for Christmas, please don't forget to drop in at the benefit for Kevin Mason at the Jewish Club in Old Fort Road on Sunday and Monday evening. It promises to be great fun - with big names in the SA entertainment world - and a fitting tribute to a really great guy.

Kevin is still battling valiantly, but he has taken a bit of a dive in the last two days.

Anyone who would like to contribute anything to his benefit that can't actually attend what should be a great two day festival, please contact me and I will give you details of where you can contribute.

Love,

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, December 16, 2002 at 20:03:46 (UTC)


Jack Wardell

I have emailed Gil with your address.

Please let me know when you will be here, and perhaps we can meet up. And if you need any help with anything, give me a shout.

Perhaps you'd also like to email me with the problems you are having with contacting people and I'll see if I can work out what is going wrong.

Ada Cantrell

Is your trip still on?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 16, 2002 at 14:13:07 (UTC)


MAURICE GERSH, OBE

Born: Jerusalem Israel, 29 May 1906
Arrived in Northern Rhodesia May 1924.

Arrived in Livingstone, from Cape Town, in May 1924, to join his uncle and Harry Sussman in their trading and ranching activities.

Subsequently, he launched his own busnesses (in conjunction with the Sussman brothers), which included department stores, cinemas, engineering, foundries, ranching and real estate.

Served in the Northern Rhodesia defence force from 1940 - 1945.

Served on a number of Government commissions, including the Federal Tariff Commission on which he was the Northern Rhodesian representative.

Served as president of the Kitwe Chamber of Commerce, the Northern Rhodesian Association of Chambers of Commerce, Municipal Association of Northern Rhodesia and the Kitwe and District Hebrew Congregation.

Served as first Mayor of Kitwe in 1954 and was re-elected the following year.

Awarded the OBE in 1957 for public services.




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 16, 2002 at 12:21:54 (UTC)


Wilma,

My condolences to both you and your husband of you on the death of your brother (-in-law).


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 16, 2002 at 05:41:34 (UTC)


Alix
We are on two different messenger services and that's why we have not connected yet.. If you are reading the GNR, please check your email for an important message from me.

Apologies to the GNR for this being totally ungermane, but the conversation with Alix is a matter of importance.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, December 16, 2002 at 03:05:45 (UTC)


To all the GNR posters and lurkers (of which I am one)

HAVE A TERRIFIC CHRISTMAS AND A REALLY SOZZLED NEW YEAR.

For those of you who don't drink - just act drunk!!

Arthur
This is your flower posting as instructed.

Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 23:06:16 (UTC)



A little xmas smile.

Christmas vacation was over and 3 boys were standing waiting for the bus to go to school. They started talking about what they had done on Christmas morning. The first boy a Catholic says "We get up, go to mass, come home and have breakfast, then open up our presents." The second boy a Protestant says "We get up, have breakfast, open up our presents, and then go to church." The third boy was Jewish, and not meaning to leave him out, they asked him what he did on Christmas morning. He says " We get up, have breakfast." "Then we go down to our store and look around at all the empty shelves, and hold hands and sing "What a friend we have in Jesus".

Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 22:34:32 (UTC)


Today's Sunday Argus carried the announcement in the deaths Column that Maurice Gersh O.B.E., formerly of Kitwe, had passed away in Worcester Mass USA on the 11th of December. He was 96 years old. Condolences to the Gersh family.

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 20:04:04 (UTC)


Help !

I have tried several times to contact GNR members through the names directory but I fail every time with the message "Error: Fields Left Blank". I have tried but failed to resolve - I am pretty computer literate but not computer expert ! What am I doing wrong?

Message for Gil Wilson.

I will be visiting Kabwe early in the New Year (on follow up to a Rotary Water project) and I would like to correspond before then if possible. Certainly I'll take any photos you want and forward to you by e-mail if I get your address.

Heather,

I think you have Gil address. Feel free to forward mine to him and ask him to reply.

Thanks Jack



Jack WardellClick here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 19:04:00 (UTC)


First to keep it germane Kenneth Kaunda was a recipient of the Order of Mapungubwe at last week ceremony.

A google search turns up numerous links for mapungubwe. I have not so far found the meaning of the name but an interesting site is

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/mapu/hd_mapu.htm

If you go to the Africa map 500-1000 BC and then to East and Southern Africa it is quite interesting. There were trade links (swahili as they call them) with East Africa via the Limpopo river.

Cheers - Doug, the blundering on Psuedo Historian

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 16:22:44 (UTC)


Wishing a wonderful Christmas and peaceful New Year to all friends I knew in Mbala and Mufulira (1968 to 1978).
Hope all's well.

Dorothy Anderton-Shuttleworth (née Anderton)Click here to contact me
Merseyside, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 16:21:47 (UTC)



Yes, Medem Heather !



Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 15:58:54 (UTC)


Barry Woodrow, Sir

Since you've just got a new job as Project Director, it is compulsory to eat kapenta, flying ants and mopani worms. And this must all be washed down with a 44 gallon drum of chibuku.

If you don't, you will not have the strength to do your job properly.

Congratulations.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 14:47:19 (UTC)


Dubai Rugby 7’s.

Having just returned from the Dubai Rugby 7’s, won again by the All Blacks; it brought back memories of the traditional opening to the Zambian Rugby season, the Mufuleria 7,s.

Nchanga Rugby Club concentrated more on the 15 a side game and maybe had one practice session before the tournament; consequently we were not as successful at 7’s.

I played for Nchanga many times at the 7’s and it was I think in 1974? That we requested our Most Improved Player of the previous year, Tommy Walkowski, to play in the Muf 7’s.

Tommy declined as he was going fishing on the Kafue that weekend. Towards the end of the tournament we received a message that a hippo had overturned the boat and bitten Tommy, who died soon after. Tommy was a well liked and popular person and it came as a great shock to everyone who knew him.

I was proud therefore the following year to be the first recipient of the Tommy Walkowski Trophy for the Most Improved Player for Nchanga.

Fiona and I will soon be leaving the Gulf area, compulsory retirement for Saudi Aramco at 60. We have witnessed a huge influx of people from Southern Africa to all the Gulf Countries in recent years, the Boks were well supported at Dubai by traveling supporters and resident ones as well.

The next round of the IRB 7’s moves to South Africa, I hope it is as well organized as Dubai, it was a blast!

We shall be returning to UK via Australia and New Zealand, Fiona’s sisters have recently emigrated from Durban to Auckland, we are looking forward to meeting up with friends, ex-Zambian and Saudi en-route.

Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.

Graham & Fiona Wall.


Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 08:37:06 (UTC)



Get them young.

I was teaching my 6-year-old grand daughter how to unbuckle her seat belt,

She asked, "Do I click the square?"

I said, "Yes."

She asked me, "Single click or double click?"
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Regards Johnny,Above gleaned from an unsoliceted web.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 08:15:37 (UTC)



I would call this good thinking.
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A parent decreed one Christmas that she was no longer going to
remind her children of their thank-you note duties. As a result their grandmother never received acknowledgments of the generous checks she had given. The next year things were different, however.

"The children came over in person to thank me," the grandparent
told a friend triumphantly.

"How wonderful!" the friend exclaimed. "What do you think caused
the change in behavior?"

"Oh, that's easy," the grandmother replied. "This year I didn't sign the checks."
Regards Johnny.



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 07:57:10 (UTC)


Dear All
I am about to have a little moan, I have just spent the most difficult week of my life in the UK where my husband's brother went in to a coma and died last Saturday.
Having also lost my dad this year. I have decided that life is very short and you should make the most of it. Because you never know when it will be over. So let us forget these non-real-gnr people and go on having the fun that we have always had.
I will off to South Africa next week, and I would love to hear from anyone that wants to either get together or just ring. We do always have such fun when we do get together. Think of all the wonderful bashes that have taken place and will take place in the future.
Anyway enough moaning. I will send my christmas message this coming week
Bye for now Love Wilma

Wilma Wall (née Henry)Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 22:43:40 (UTC)


JOHNNY

I had no eyed deer. How fascinating!

And what do you call a deer with no eyes and no legs? Still no eyed deer!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 21:05:58 (UTC)



Would you believe it?

The state of Michigan's legislature has just passed a law
allowing the blind to hunt deer. The biggest supporters of
the new law? THE DEER."
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Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 20:37:19 (UTC)


Dynasty does the job albeit at a short price but he will win the Met and many races overseas.Take it from me this horse is in the same league as Horse Chestnut.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 14:40:19 (UTC)


Chisanga

You are right, bwe means stone in ciBemba. Also in Shona Dzimba dza Mabwe (houses of stone) the bwe means stone. Sorry about my previous mispelling. So there seems to be a link between the Bemba and Shona languages. The Nguni languages (isiZulu, siSwati, Xhosa, Matabele and Angoni) are different again. Here a rock is called itshe, litshe etc.

Mapungubwe is in Venda country in the north of South Africa so they are probably in the same group as the Shonas. Maybe the rock of Mapungu was named after a chief or possibly Mapungu is the name of an animal in Venda eg leopard. I will investigate further.

As for the prehistoric Indian connection I saw a TV program some time ago in which they had proved by DNA testing that many Africans in South Africa carried a gene only found in them and certain Indians.

There was also the story of the Black Jews. This is a small tribe also in the Northern Province who follow Jewish practises and rituals and claimed to be decendants of Jewish people. This was previously scorned because to look at they were 100% African.

However a group of Israeli scientists came to investigate their claims recently and it has been found by DNA testing that their blood contains links to the blood of a sect Rabbis who originate from a specific small area of Israel. So these are realy Black Jews just like the ones the Israelis airlifted out of Ethiopia to Israel. King Solomon's lady friend the Queen of Sheba is said to have come from Ethiopia, but maybe she came from further south.

I may not be reporting 100% correctly, as I saw these programs some years back; but I think that there is a lot of interesting pre-colonial history that is slowly emerging.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 12:52:24 (UTC)


Apologies Kenilworth Race 7

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 09:40:30 (UTC)



Chris what meeting is the good thing running in? at 1645 your time Please Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 09:00:57 (UTC)



Charles Cartmill and Jaqui Millard.

The translation offered on Broken Hill (SMALL STONE) sounds about right, but as I remember some of the inhabitants during more turbulent times managed to lay there hands on some quite large ones,I would have thought a more apt translation woul'd have been SMALL FRY but they could not help where they had to live as when the devil drives, Regards to Charlie and love to Jaqui.
JOHNNY.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 08:46:58 (UTC)


Right Christmas is upon us and we have the heavy hitters coming to town. Forget about Christmas shopping, let it wait till 16.35 our time this afternoon.
Dynasty has his second last run in South Africa before going on to bigger and better things overseas.This colt took my breath away when he beat the country's champion miler Free my Heart by 7 lengths at weight for age despite only having two weeks work in him.
Believe me this is one of the best horses since Horse Chestnut and the manner of his victories and the fact that the connections have paid the supplementary fee for the Met means he is special. He will not get beaten today.
If youre afraid of short prices doubles and trebles with
Be a Sport and Sno Flo at Turfontein.

You know where to put some of the proceeds


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 08:22:40 (UTC)


WATER HYACINTH FURNITURE

I bought some of the water hyacinth furniture recently and I think it came from Thailand. It is really nice and solid and if only the Zambians knew what an industry they had at their lakeside!

Irene

Irene Long (née Georgopoullos)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 03:50:15 (UTC)


The first snow has fallen here in our tiny valley,it's nearly Xmas, peace to all.
As the smoke rises from my log fire up the stone chimney and out into the cold air to be blown through the bare branches of the sycamore trees, i think of all of us scattered to the far corners of the world.
Let's put some leaves on those branches; send 5 emails in the next week, contact someone before Xmas.
Stay well.

David GreensladeClick here to contact me
Brecon, Wales
Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 02:13:03 (UTC)


thanks every one for your help on the water hyacinth and its uses. Facinating stuff. However in all my memories of the dammed stuff I cannot remember ever seeing it bloom. Not with a purple flower anyway. Is this just because of memory lapses or becuase they were not purple in Zambia? My Brother in Law (Ex)Ian Brockbank still has the scars from when he tangle with it at Kafue and he has no fond memories of it at all, either purple or not.

I still cannot afford the furniture but I can afford the waste baskets and table mats etc, so guess what everyone is going to get for Christmas presents this year. If we all bought one waste paper basket we would contribute by removing one ton of weed (I think thats right), so go and get one today.

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 22:40:55 (UTC)


Doug and Chisanga
What interesting discussion. I wish I had paid more attention at school now. But it is more enjoyable to reap the benefit of your joint knowledge as an adult, methinks.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 22:06:20 (UTC)


Doug,

An interesting piece on Mapungubwe. "Bwe" is a uniquely Bantu word that means stone. Thus Kabwe in Bemba means small stone. I would be surprised to the point of shock if Mapungubwe had any Asian origins.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 19:57:37 (UTC)


The strongholds in Cameroon are interesting, as are the 'houses of stone', 'dzimba ya mambwe', known as the Zimbabwe ruins. One wonders about their origins. Were they built by the Bantu people or by previous invaders or visitors, who were after ivory and gold.

A lot of evidence is surfacing about other visitors to Africa prior to Jan van Riebeck and David Livingstone. Viagen Contracosta on Ian Singers site Nrzam is an eyeopener. Chisanga tells us about a christianised King called Alphonse in the pre-colonial Congo. Of course we know about the Arab slave traders who Livingstone found were here before him.

There is genetic and archelogical proof of a pre-bantu Indian presence in South Africa who worked with the khoisan people to mine gold. When I look at some Zulu's slant eyes and moon faces I am sure there is some Chinese blood there as well.

South Africa has just made a new series of awards. They are called 'The Order of the Baobab' and 'The Order of Mapungubwe'. De Klerk and Mandela were among the recipients.

Mapungubwe is a hill in the Limpopo ( formerly Northern ) province where many interesting archeological finds have been made, including many items cast of gold such as gold rhinos. This was assumed to give proof of a previous Bantu civilization there, ergo "The Order of Mapungubwe".

I was listening to a talk show on the radio where they were discussing this matter and the lady in charge of the awards committee insisted the word was pronounced Mapungubye, but nobody was sure as it is in Venda land, and there were no Venda speakers on the panel.

A German Professor who had been studying Mapungubwe for 35 years then rung up and threw the cat among the pigeons. He said the word was of Indian origin and the items found at Mapungubwe were from pre-bantu times. One piece of evidence he advanced in support of this was that the gold rhinos had only one horn like an Indian rhino wheras African rhinos had 2 horns.

Hmmm! Always something new out of Africa!

Cheers - Doug



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 18:21:08 (UTC)


Would like to hear from any ex- Nagel House Girls - Marandellas

Debbie

Debra Ware (née Radford)Click here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 10:59:52 (UTC)


Sorry, forgot.
When you get there, search for the article 'A Profitable Sentence'

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 09:50:11 (UTC)


Digital Cameras


Heather,

I have been doing some searching for information about digital cameras and found this one in Sydney.


http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/category6_1.htm


One this site there is a comparison table as well as links to the various manufacturers home pages.

Hope this helps

Gordon

Gordon & Irene Dixon (née Wilson)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 09:48:41 (UTC)


Amanda

The furniture probably comes from Uganda. Go to TVE. Later today, I'll try to let you have some more info on Salvinia molesta

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 09:47:09 (UTC)


Apologies if this has been posted before.

THE WHITE AFRICAN'S DILEMMA.
Within my soul, within my mind there lies a place I cannot find.
Home of my heart, land of my birth,
Smoke coloured stone, flame coloured earth.
Electric skies, shimmering heat, blood red clay beneath my feet.
At night when finally alone, I close my eyes - and am at home.
I kneel and touch the blood warm sand, and feel it's pulse beneath my hand
Of ancient time too old to name, in ancient land too wild to tame.
How can I show you what I feel? How can I make this essence real?
I search for words in dumb frustration to try and find some explanation,
But how can heart and soul be caught in one-dimensional written thought?
If love and longing are a "fire", and man consumed by his desire,
Then this love is no simple flame that mortal thought can hold or tame.
As, within the earth's own core the love of home burns evermore.
But what is home ? I hear them say, this never was yours anyway.
You have no birth-right in this place, descendent from another race.
An immigrant? A pioneer? You are no longer welcome here.
Whoever said that love makes sense? "I love" is an imperfect tense.
To love in vain has been man's fate, from History to present date.
I have no grounds for dispensation, I know I have no home or Nation.
For just one moment in the night I am complete, my heart takes flight.
For just one moment.....then it's gone, and I am once again undone.
Never complete......never whole.............
White skin and an African soul.



Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 09:11:53 (UTC)


AMANDA

I did a Google search and came up with this about water hyacinth, the problems it causes and it's uses. It's a PDF file and very interesting. It seems that the rope is made in Bangladesh, I don't know how to post proper links so you will need to copy and paste it.

http://www.itdg.org/html/technical_enquiries/docs/water_hyacinth_control.pdf

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 09:10:32 (UTC)


Heather

perhaps you could help here. In the past couple of weeks our up market furniture shops have been full of furniture made out of what looks like very chunky rope. It is labelled as being made from water hyacinth. I went into a couple of shops and asked them where the furniture came from but did not get very far, although one assistant thought it came from Africa somewhere!

I have lots of memories of the Lusaka Sailing Club, with members trying to clear the Jetty and the buoys from huge mats of water hyacinth. At one time sailing at Siavonga became impossible because of the weed, and I think a South American water rodent was imported to see if that would help by eating it. Could this be the same stuff. If so is there an industry in Zambia supplying the weed - and how do they "spin "it.

Any information to satisfy my curiosity would be welcome

Thanks

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Friday, December 13, 2002 at 08:04:24 (UTC)


Arthur
The turkeys taste just fine! I cant keep them nor the chickens over the winter, even though I love the eggs, because I cant see myself tromping out to the barn twice a day, to break the ice on the drinking water. So the ones I have left, not sold, are safe in the cryogenic freezer.

Gordon

I echo your feelings. Although we owned rifles - for Bisley shooting, the only thing I ever shot was a squirrel, once. I was trekking out to the Mufulira Rifle Range one Sunday morning, with the .303 on my shoulder...... I was 13 and trusted to do it because I had been in cadets for 3 years and been taught safety,-- when I saw a squirrel, about 20 yards away. Now I had done a nasty. I had taken one bullet from the previous Sundays shooting, contrary to expectations, and had it in my pocket. Load. Aim. Listen for people? None. Bang.
The tree had a hole in it that I could put my head through and the poor squirrel had flown apart ; bits of fur everywhere. The noise of the shot, when no shot should be heard, together with the lack of eveidence of a 'kill' put me off.
Nowadays, I shoot the buggars which come to the bird feeder, but thats all. With a wussy pellet gun. And keep the large bore for the range.
Mind you, we have white - tailed deer all year, just out the back of the house - and they are pests here these days -also they eat our emerging tulips in the spring and tromp on the veggie garden , so I just may get a permit for some venison one of these days.

Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 21:15:18 (UTC)



Northeners...

Nothing to do with NR but interesting never-the-less...

Take a peek at this site of old ruins in Cameroon. You'll have to cut and paste as I lost Dawies link posting instructions (again)...

Looks very similar to the Zimbabwe Ruins.

http://www.fp.ucalgary.ca/unicomm/news/strongholds/camphotos.html


Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 19:50:19 (UTC)


Hi Heather

Wouldn't be the Canon Powershot G2 by any chance?? That is the only G2 I can see in our catalogue - get in touch. What I know about cameras you could write on the back of a postage stamp and still have room for "War and Peace" afterwards.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 18:56:54 (UTC)


What a shame, our dear "Rosa" has been axed from the Road and just when she had made me laugh, once. It was the mental image of unsuspecting women falling over Uncle Johnny that did it, Arthur's doctored photies of him at the Wallasey bash immediately sprang to mind coupled with a splash of Monty Python and voila, the result had me in fits.

Sorry Rosa, what did you say? Oh, you were trying to be serious.............

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 18:41:08 (UTC)


Heather
A site comparing digital cameras is

www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs.asp

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 18:30:22 (UTC)


Heather

I'll take the raw herring please ....



Barry WoodrowClick here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 17:41:12 (UTC)


Arthur

Last time I saw you, you gave me the impression that you could match the dimensions? What's happened? The cold weather perhaps?

New camera? I'm waiting for Dawie to tell me all about the G2 (Dawie, are you reading this??)

How many people get eaten by crocs? I don't think such statistics are easily available but I do know that there are a fair number each year. And I reckon the number is increasing. Crocodile farms are required to release ten percent of their hatchlings back into our lakes and rivers. This ten percent is far in excess of what would survive in the wild.

But a question that must be asked when the stats are presented is how many people are taken by crocs and how many drown?

A number of factors influence the preference of crocodiles for certain areas. They do not like noise or disturbances; prefer calm water, with no waves; an area which is not too steep so that they can crawl out easily onto sand, mud or stone, to bask in the sun and there must be plenty of food around. They also like areas which are well covered with weed as they can then quietly slip under it to keep out of the way, because they really are shy creatures.

Crocodile meat is very much like chicken. When you visit me, it will be compulsory for you to try it, along with the kapenta with nshima dipped in frying ant fat. It's that or raw herrings. And while you're on your excursion into the ambrosial, culinary delights of Zambia, we'll throw in some mopani worms and perhaps a monkey or two.

Crocodile fat also seems to have some uses. My dad has skin cancer on his lip and a friend who has a crocodile farm has recently given him some crocodile fat to smear on it. It has cleared it up almost completely. The medical profession would probably be mortified as such remdies have not been subjected to an array of tests and trials, but it seems to work for other things too.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 15:01:34 (UTC)


Heather

Thanks for the article on the hamba gahle. Lots of NR creatures fascinated many of us and the chameleon was no exception. I forgot about the way they could “play dead” but I do recall how angry they could become after a bit of torment.

From the description from your article the hambe gahle begins to sound a little like me, quaint habits, an apparent tameness, entirely harmless of course, lacking teeth (but likely to give you a nasty suck), but disappointingly I can’t claim the dimensions of those found at Makona Dam.

Another favourite of mine was the preying mantis or come to think of it anything which ate something else, preferably alive and in a bloodthirsty way.

When are you getting your new camera?


Lynthia and Viv

Nice to see your pics on the GNR. Don’t see you two posting much these days.

Bill

Getting paid to plant your own forest seems a good idea. Don’t like the thought of all the backache though. How are your turkeys doing?

Amanda

Lucky escape for the bloke in Malawi – I wonder how many people get eaten by crocs per day in Zambia? Or should that be the other way round? I have seen croc meat for sale in the supermarket quite often but never tried it, I have been told it tastes a little like chicken, I’d give it a try but it costs and arm and a leg here. Maybe I’ll give it a go for Xmas instead of the usual UK steroid pumping turkey.

Heather perhaps knows the answer to how many people get eaten by crocs in Zambia.

Marilyn

Sorry to hear you had a disastrous holiday in Borneo. Those orang-utans are well known for being over friendly, better stick to Zambia in future - at least you will be able to spot the blue bits, get plenty of warning, and run off like you used to be able to.


Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 13:37:33 (UTC)


Heather
Like Arthur I love the little creatures ....don't think fetish is quite the word I would use describing my affection for them, but still they are what Africa is all about...thanks for the article......I enjoyed reading it, and learning a little bit more ........

Jilly
yes darn cats and the way Bella brings the poor creatures in., she has this high pitched cry almost as if she is saying quick come and look before it goes down the hatch......luckily my geckos are safe.......

I hope to be going to Livingstone......just have to see what fortunes come my way.........I would love to go...!!!
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 10:53:14 (UTC)


Arthur

Yesterday, I found this article in a Roan Antelope magazine and knowing of your fetish, thought I would scan it for you.

THE CHAMELEON
By M. R. Goldick


The Chameleon, or "hamba gahle" as it is often familiarly called from its mode of progression, is probably the best known of the local lizards although not the most common. The quaint habits, general inoffensiveness and apparent tameness have caused it to be regarded in a particularly friendly light even by those who generally show aversion to any member of the reptile family.

Probably the most widely known characteristic of the chameleon is its habit of changing colour to match its surroundings. This is a marvellous example of protective camouflage and serves the double purpose of rendering it inconspicuous alike to its enemies and to its intended prey. This ability to change colour has been somewhat exaggerated in popular belief but the actual facts are, in themselves, quite amazing. A chameleon amongst green grass will be a vivid green but if placed on a brown road, its colour will soon match that of the latter. A bright yellow, and variegated mixtures of black and green, green and yellow, yellow and brown, yellow and black are also frequently seen-often with a spattering of white spots that break up the colour pattern. Almost invariably it will be found that the colours closely match the surroundings of the chameleon and that, if moved to some other position of different colour, there will be a fairly quick change of the chameleon's colouring to bring it in harmony with its new surroundings. If annoyed, the chameleon puffs up, turns a dark mauve-grey and hisses, but it is entirely harmless as it lacks teeth and even the largest can give no more than a sharp squeeze with its mouth.

The eyes of the chameleon are set up on stems like small movable periscopes and, while one eye is fixed on a fly or some other intended meal, the other eye will be slowly waving around on the look-out for danger or another possible victim. Having sighted its prey, this is carefully stalked by the chameloen which stealthily moves forward until within "shooting" range. It then swiftly ejects its bullet-shaped tongue toward the victim, which adheres to the sticky tongue and is withdrawn into the chameleon's mouth and the meal commences. It is frequently stated that the chameleon can eject its tongue forward a distance equal to the length of its body, but the greatest distance personally noted was five inches, by a nine inches long chameleon.

The female chameleon lays her eggs in a hole which she scoops out of soft soil with her fore feet. On completion of laying, the soil is carefully scraped back over the eggs, the chameleon takes a last look to see that all is well and then, her parental duties ended, wanders off, leaving the warmth of the soil to effect incubation. The eggs are about half-an-inch long and covered by a white parchment-like shell; the young, when hatched, work their way out and are immediately able to fend for themselves. These miniature chameleons usually appear in the wet season and are bright green, matching the prevailing green of their surroundings, but they have all of the characteristics of the adults. One amusing habit, which appears to be discarded when they are more fully grown, is that of simulating "dead" if danger is suspected - the tail is tightly coiled in a spiral and the chameleon lies immobile on its side until the suspected danger has passed.

Chameleons have five toes on each foot with two of the toes in opposition and that fact makes them particularly effective climbers of twigs, grass stems, etc. But although their ordinary walk is slow and hesitant they can develop an ungainly run if sufficiently stimulated. A chameleon nine inches in length the maximum generally seen, but one personally measured was 14.5 inches long, and was rather fearsome in appearance, while the largest so far reported in the district was found at the Makoma dam and measured 17 inches, tip to tip.

The Africans, who hold the chameleon in some fear and aversion, have a rather interesting story to explain this dislike. It appears that in the beginning all people were black, but the Diety decided to alter this condition and provided a lake, immersion in which would cause individuals to turn white. The chameleon was entrusted with the duty of carrying the glad tidings to the various peoples, but his progress was so slow that, by the time the outlying communities were notified, there was very little water left in the lake. The late-comers, in fact, found only sufficient water to wet the palms of their hands and the soles of their feet - these turned white but the rest of their bodies remained black to this day. The unfortunate chameleon was held responsible for this deplorable state of affairs and is therefore still regarded with revulsion.

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ROAN ANTELOPE MAGAZINE, FEBRUARY 1954

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 08:56:50 (UTC)


Alix,

Great photo of the skink, my Dodge also loves them, which is quite awful really - darn cats!

The photos of Vic Falls are great - it's just a pity that there are barriers there now. I remember when I worked for the A'Zambezi River Lodge in Zim - there weren't any - and we nearly lost Kai, then aged two, over the edge on several occasions! Makes sense that he bungi jumped off the bridge for his eighteenth birthday!

Whose going to Livingstone next year? I am! Can't wait to meet you all!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 08:36:41 (UTC)


Has anyone seen the BBC news. Not sure if it is germane as it happened in Malawi but that is one brave business man.
I hope the link works. If it does not, you might have to type it in yourself. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2565827.stm
Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 03:07:57 (UTC)


Hi Northerners.
Good riddance to Rosa Tinto who said I was a deer slayer. For the record I lived in Africa for 33 years and never owned a gun. I never shot an animal in all that time and never wanted to. A guinea fowl or spur wing came short because of my youthful ignorance. Do you know that geese pair up for life? When I was 24 I did not know that. That Rich Njovu fellow had the audacity to tell me how to eat n'shima. At least I have a good stock in my cupboard, which I doubt he has. If you don't have, don't lecture me about it.
I think deep down we will all miss Elias with his wit and vast knowledge of our old homeland.
May you all have a good holiday season whilst June and I cruise the Bahamas. Good luck!

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 02:07:29 (UTC)


My Dearest Josie, Bridge and Neiles

I have a very heavy heart but I know that all I have to do is close my eyes and remember all the wonderful, happy times of yesteryear.

Here's to you, Tony. God Bless.

Gill




Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 23:35:32 (UTC)


CRAIG

Well done for getting rid of the dross. Pity you barred his email though. I was just looking forward to having a bit of private fun!

BOB ALLEN

Superb photos as usual

CAROLE

Nice to see you posting at last. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas. Are you coming to Zambia next year? I look forward to catching up again if you are

ALL

Checked the cost of flying to Lusaka from London and it seems it is in the region of £700. Does anyone know about chartering flights and would it make much difference to the cost?

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 21:36:18 (UTC)


Hi All

Just wanted to record my support for the Management Team's barring of the smart assed plonker(s)! There's enough cynical pseudo-elitist crap around without us having to put up with reading it on this board!

Well done folks!

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 21:25:42 (UTC)


Greetings to one and all and a very Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year to everyone!

There. been there, dun that.
My condolences to Craig and Art and 'that woman' as they battle through the forest of electronic stuff they so marvellously take on. Founder Dawie skinners around UK and the Pays Bas and his feelings are different anyway. If he as some.
I'm not really sure what kind of person does this? Is it that old altruistic feeling - sort of service to fellow persons, that we were imbued with in Northern Rhodesia? You know, the British thing, moulded by heat and trees that we were privileged and we should do things for others. No expectation of reward; just satisfaction for a job well done.... I know that the only remnant of that, that I keep, is blood donations.
Anyway, this is my fantasy lifeline which I use, mostly, to reminisce and to validate my life and the values with which I am imbued. Every day.
Should read the bible, no? Or get a life.

I'm busy researching how to scam tax relief from the gov here...... planting tres each year (up to 2500 now), just because I think I should give back to the place, and suddenly I find that a ' Managed Forest reserve' qualifies for tax breaks. Ho HO! Into the pages of baffelgab and soon one will have IT!
At least next year.
It is a sad thing when a perfectly sane person gets a kick out of trying to relieve tax burdens, no?
Anyway, enough rambling..........just to repeat _ Have a BIG ONE!

Bill


William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 21:15:04 (UTC)


Northerners !

Some more photos and some topical just now too.

Thanks to you all who support this website in a positive way.


Arthur




Hello Arthur:

Here are a few photos of the BIG one - Mosi oa tunya -

Eastern Cataract and aloft, at the end of the Rains in early April 2000

Hope you can manage to put them up on the noticeboard once again -thanks.

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Bob Allan - Melbourne, Australia




These pics taken in the hospitality bar on weds night at New Scotland Yard, we were on secret service

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Johnny Green - Scarborough, United Kingdom




Hi Arthur,
how are you?
do you remember the little April fools joke Heather had about the two tailed lizzards in her Lowdown Magazine, and how she had thought she had me fooled, re whether they were for real.well looking in one of my reptilian books, I came across this, I laughed and thought, hey this is interesting, I sent it to Tina and she said to ask if you would post it for Heather, I think it is precious......and it is real.....its former tail never quite fell off so it has two tails.....
thanks Arthur

Ali

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these little lizards that sunbake everywhere, and of course sadly are easy prey for Bella who loves them to bits, she brings them in the house...of course they get munched up......these are the special treats put on by nature, so she thinks, I have saved many, and the girls also catch them...they are so common and so sweet......
Ali

Alix Key - Perth, Australia




Bridget

I'm also very sorry to hear about your Dad's passing. My condolences to your family.

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 18:49:20 (UTC)


Craig

As someone who is in favour of free speech and mostly unPC, I support your decision to give Rosa the boot. He/she/it was just nasty and insulting!

Cheers Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 18:43:41 (UTC)


Heather

I had not heard of the suicide but have chatted again to Graham Thurtell and established that his Grandfather (who worked on the sawmills) was present at the time and witnessed the event. The story was passed down in their family so I will accept it as true! With a bit of luck Graham and Yvonne will add their names to the "list".

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 15:13:56 (UTC)


Start planning now for the
Reunion in Zambia
Livingstone Lark

When? 26th - 28th September 2003
Where? Livingstone

Further details to follow shortly, but if you are interested, please email me


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 15:13:03 (UTC)


Greetings to All

This will be my first "official" posting although I have been reading the message board since March. May I take this opportunity to thank Arthur, Heather and Craig for the magnificent job in mainting the site, and of course many, many thanks to Dave Cooper for his idea that has now reunited so many old friends.

I have had the most amazing year since I came across the GNR in March. Firstly the corresponding with my old junior school chums, Moira, Adrian and Des; then Wallasey where I met up with them, and many others too; then Banbury which was quite overwhelming. I have also found my dear friend Elaine Coetzee (nee McNeil) and we hope to meet up and have our own reunion in the near future. I can only hope that 2003 is as great as this year has been.

So to everyone - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

And to Dave - Hilara Saturnalia too - I have been racking my brains for the translation - then realised that the Christmas period (I think from December 17) is the period the Romans called Saturnalia - with lots of merrymaking and present giving. So Latin wasn't lost on me at school - although my teachers thought it was !!!

Cheers 'n Beers
Carole



Carole Evans (née Bruce)Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 15:01:39 (UTC)


David Gray

Yes, I've heard that story too and also that somebody committed suicide because of it. But I have never been able to establish whether it was true or whether it was just Kachepa.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 14:44:18 (UTC)


Heather

Thanks for the Victoria Falls bridge reprint which was most interesting. I believe there is one omission! As a child I had always been told that the centre section (crown piece) did not fit since it was designed in cooler climes. It was about 1" (25.4 mms) out having been swung into place in the heat of the day when the structure had expanded. Later that night after sufficient time to cool down and contract, the crown piece was again positioned and this time the fit was perfect.

I checked this snippet of information with Graham and Yvonne Thurtell (ex Livingstone ±1975) and they verified the story.

Keep up the good work Heather, Dave, Arthur and Craig.

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 11:06:40 (UTC)


Craig,

Thank you for the efforts you have given to the maintenance of the Great North Road web site over the last few years. I appreciate the fact that you are dealing with a lot of silly nonsense with this website at a time that is extremely difficult for you and for Sandy. Believe me, I know what you are going through. And you know what I mean by that.

You have done a wonderful job over the years. And as always, you have my one hundred and fifty three percent on this.

I also appreciate the tolerance and the support that many of the membership give to Craig, Arthur and Heather. These people put a lot of help into this monster. And they do it all for free on their own time.

I would like to wish you all HILARA SATURNALIA !

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 10:45:27 (UTC)


A picture of the Vic Falls bridge, posted on behalf of Johnny Green

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 10:00:14 (UTC)


Dawie

Just found that I gave you the wrong link the other day to Marcus Garvey. Sorry. It must be the blonde in me.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 08:23:39 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BLACKIE HALL!



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 05:08:45 (UTC)



Briget From one old miner to another will raise a glass to dad Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 23:54:26 (UTC)


Craig

You are to be congratulated for your recent actions and for a wonderful site.

Kind regards

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 23:49:53 (UTC)



A little Christmasy joke I liked it so I share it with you.

The three wise men arrived to visit the child lying in the manger.
One man was exceptionally tall and bumped his head on the low
doorway to the stable, "Jesus Christ" he shouted.
"Joseph, write that down," said Mary, "it's better than Clyde!"
Love and Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 23:45:05 (UTC)


Bridget

My condolences to you and your family.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 22:41:31 (UTC)


Bridget,

My deepest sympathy and condolences to you and your family.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 22:35:13 (UTC)


Caution: Small Minds at Work

Rosa Tinto, Rich Njovu and Joe Dupont, all recently acquired members, have been suspended for multiple violations of the Code of Conduct. In fact, since "Joe Dupont" never became a full-fledged member and so was never able to post messages because he signed up with a non-existent e-mail address, he has been deleted outright.

My theory at this point is that all three are either the same person or, more likely, the same group of people with a grudge against the GNR and/or its members or management. To the perpetrators of this nonsense I have but a few words: Get a life. This Web site is here for the enjoyment of others, not for you to use to take out your hostility or to act out your petty grudges.

To the anti-PC crowd who will no doubt whinge about the "heavy hand of management", cry about the death of free speech, and claim that I am PC -- tough. This is about deception, not free speech -- I don't like to be deceived. Please also note paragraph 6 of the Code: "The decisions of those running the GNR will be final and no correspondence will be entered into regarding those decisions."


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 22:33:15 (UTC)


Dear Bridget

I am so sorry to hear about your Dad. My thoughts are with you at this sad time. Take care.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 22:05:20 (UTC)


Bridget our thoughts are with you and we are honoured to raise a glass to him.

Ted, Tina and Chris

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 21:42:22 (UTC)


TONY BILLANY 1924 - 2002

Sadly my father, Antony Billany, died on Saturday 7th December after a short illness. He went out to Northern Rhoidesia in 1951 for a two year contract as a rock breaker on the Mufulira mine, and finally left in 1978!! He loved his time in Muf and spent many a long hour reminising about the old days in his latter years. He will be missed by his children; Lesley, Neiles and Bridget and we'd love everyone who remembers him to think of him the next time you have a glass of your favourite tipple.

Bridget BillanyClick here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 21:34:38 (UTC)


The Cape Dogfish is found .... no, I don't think so.

Heather thanks for a really great Falls reprint and pictures. Do you remember the story they used to tell at the Falls of the man who stood on the bridge to time how long it took for a stone to reach the gorge. He threw the stone and looked at his gold watch which he held in the other hand to see not a watch but a stone. We have to hope the gods of the Boiling Pot appreciated his gift.

Off ski-ing expecting this time to imitate the mountain gazelle instead of the white tailed dear.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 20:56:18 (UTC)


Talking about Trotters....

Are there any relatives of either Bob Trotter who was Paymaster at Rhokana or Archie Edwards who was in the Time office 1963 - 1966?

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 20:33:44 (UTC)



Thanks Heather for Re printing that fascinating story of the bridge, in Chingola we had an old drinking partner by the name of Jock Trotter who used to regale me with tales of when he worked on the bridge, he said he came out with the British army to fight in the Boer war and on it ending chose to stay on in Africa and drifted up country eventually getting a job on the bridge, the reason I mention this is I seem to remember a name on the GNR of Trotter from Chingola and I wondered if they were any relation to that grand old man? please let us know if you are still active on here.Johnny.

PS I did recieve a direct EM from Rosa a month or so ago that told me to think of a Portugese connection for His /Her identity? seemed a genuine clue.Totsiens.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 16:59:15 (UTC)


Sorry. Herewith correct link for the second picture

Redecking the bridge for motor traffic (Last Section)
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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 14:17:45 (UTC)


Scanned from Roan Antelope Magazine, August 1954

THE ROMANCE OF THE VICTORIA FALLS BRIDGE
BY J. ARTON-POWELL


It is recorded that when the Czar Alexander was referred to by his Councillors as to the route of the Trans-Siberian railway, he called for a ruler and pencil, and drew on the map a straight line from St. Petersburg to Vladivostock. "That, gentlemen," he said, "is the route the railway is to take." Similarly, when the plans of the proposed crossing of the Zambesi river were submitted to Cecil Rhodes, he drew a line across the Boiling Pot - the exit of the waters from the chasm of the Victoria Falls - and said "There is where I want the bridge. I want the spray from the Falls to fall upon the trains as they cross the bridge. I want the trains to stop on the centre of the bridge so that travellers can see and appreciate the grandeur of the Falls." And so for many years after the completion of the bridge, trains used to stop for a few minutes on its centre, so that the vision of the Great Rhodesian could be realized. Thousands from all parts of the world have visited the Victoria Falls and admired the beauty of the bridge, and many have applauded the wisdom shown in the selection of its site.

The bridge was designed by the late Mr. Hobson, in the offices of Sir Douglas Fox and Partners, the Consulting Engineers of Victoria Street, London; and the contract for the steel work and erection, was, fitly enough, entrusted to the Cleveland Bridge Company of Darlington - the terminus of the first railway built in the United Kingdom. The Chief Construction Engineer was M. Georges Imbault. The late Colonel Frank Rhodes was indignant when he heard that a French Engineer was to erect the bridge. "Cecil would never have allowed anyone but a British Engineer to build this historic bridge", he said; but it was explained to him that Mr. Imbault was selected because of his experience with overhead electric conveyors; and when it is considered that the material for half of the bridge was transported across the gorge and 90 miles of railway was laid before the bridge was opened for traffic, the selection was amply justified.

Though I have often heard visitors express wonder as to how the first communications were established across the gorge, the method adopted was quite simple. A rocket carrying a light line was fired from the South bank to the North. At the third trial the rocket dropped in a position which enabled the line to be secured. By means of the line a rope was drawn across, and by means of the rope a stranded rope of steel. This was passed over a 12 inch pulley fixed in a stout log which in turn was firmly bedded in the rock on the very edge of the cliff. The tactics were then reversed, and when the free end of the pulley rope was dragged back to the South bank, it was taken twice round the barrel of a windlass and securely spliced to its other end. To the upper rope was securely fastened a "boatswain's chair" to which, for the protection of the timid, there was attached a canvas bag which could be strapped round the legs and across the chest. I do not know who essayed the fearsome journey for the first time. Probably the Chief Engineer, for he was fearless. By means of this simple contrivance, engineers, workmen, and Africans crossed the chasm daily, and foodstuffs and materials were transported.

Communications having been established across the gorge, the next step was to prepare for the erection of the steel ropeway for the 10-ton transporter. Piece by piece the steel for the erection of a small Eiffel tower was brought over by the small ropeway. The tower, some 20 feet in height, was built up from four concrete blocks bedded in the solid rock, and securely stayed. Then a wire rope of one and a half inch diameter was winched across and secured to the tower on the North bank and huge steel shearlegs on the South. By means of pulleys running on this rope, the three inch steel rope, on which the 10-ton transporter was to travel, was drawn across, secured by its crown piece in the top of the tower, led over the shearlegs on the South cliff, and terminated in a large platform on which rails were placed until the desired tension on the wire was obtained. The one and a half inch rope was then released on the North bank, allowed to run through its pulleys into the gorge, and hauled out on the South bank. Finally the "Blondin", or electric conveyor, was hoisted into position on the rope. This contrivance had two separate electric motors; one for movement forward and backward, the other for lifting and lowering. There was a steel cage, twelve feet square by means of which the workers, European and African, were transported daily, and foodstuffs and cases of railway and telegraph material, as required. Before the transporter could make its first journey across, it was necessary to clear the big rope of the pulleys that were still lashed to it, and had all gravitated to the lowest point on it, which corresponded with the centre of the gorge. Despite the offer of a bonus, not one of the workers would undertake the job and finally the Chief Engineer had to do it himself. To the writer, it was an eerie sensation watching this man standing on a narrow plank in front of the gently swaying machine, 450 feet in the air, using both hands to undo the steel lashings, and passing the pulleys one by one to the driver, Mr. A. Davidson now of Ndola, at the back. A moment of vertigo, a loss of balance, and certain death. Truly he was nerveless.

The next day the serious work of bridge and railway construction began in Northern Rhodesia. By means of slings, ten-ton loads of bridge material, rails, sleepers, telegraph poles, two locomotives and 30 trucks, in sections; in short all the material necessary for building the Northern half of the bridge, and for constructing the railway, was transported across the gorge by this modern ropewalker. A triumph of Engineering.

Two immense blocks of concrete, one on either side, were built into the cliffs, to serve as foundations for the bridge. The specification for this concrete work was rigidly enforced. For convenience, all concrete was mixed on the foundation site on the South bank, and that for the North bank was transported in batches of one and a half cubic yards. Any batch not placed in position within 20 minutes after mixing was disallowed and tipped into the gorge. A representative of the Consulting Engineers' sat there with watch and signal flags and saw that this was done. Not many batches were lost.

The foundations completed, the main piers were erected, each piece being lowered into position by a crane which was moved forward as the work proceeded. Each bay, when completed, was anchored by a steel rope passing through a rock tunnel 30 feet below the rail bed, and secured to bosses on either side of the bridge. As the work was proceeding from the two banks, daily observations were taken to see that the centre line of the bridge was maintained. A bare 12 months after commencement, the crown piece of the arch was placed into position, and it was seen that the two halves of the bridge met accurately. A holiday for the workmen was proclaimed (and thereby hangs a tale). Some six months later the bridge was completed and opened for traffic by Professor Darwin, President of the British Association.

Several recordable incidents and two fatal accidents occurred in the building of the bridge. Every large undertaking has its toll of human life, but this one, considering its magnitude and difficulty, has a creditable record.

When the railway reached the Falls visitors flocked to see it. Among others were Lady L. and Lady F., the wives of two Rand magnates. They were brought over by the small ropeway and remained on the North side, as the guests of the Chief Engineer, while they explored the North bank of the river. During the dinner hour a note was brought from the Chief Engineer stating that the ladies luggage had not been brought over, and would Perch the Compound Manager, get in touch with the South Bank and ask the people there to send over the two suit cases. Attempts to gain attention to the telephone having failed, Perch decided to pull himself over, hand over hand. I tried to dissuade him from this mad adventure, but he was the son of a British Naval Captain, and his forbears had been sailors for generations. In addition to the "boatswains chair" that was fixed to the travelling wire, there was a second chair that could be secured to the wire by means of clip pulleys. This was used when required. Perch decided to use this chair, let himself down by gravitation to the centre of the wire which had a sag of 30 feet-and pull himself up, hand over hand' to the other side. He took a candle lamp with which he was to signal when he reached the opposite cliff. The chair started down the grade with a tremendous rush, and the swaying of the lamp showed when he was hauling himself up. Suddenly I was horrified to see the lamp drop into the gorge. I at first thought that Perch had gone with it, but after a while the rope began to oscillate again. Then it came to rest, but there was no signal. After about a quarter of an hour, movement again in the rope, followed by a long period of rest. The roar of the Falls prevented any answer to calls being heard, and the darkness of the gorge, on a starless night, is Cimmerian. When the rope came to rest for the third time, I waited fully half an hour and was sorrowfully walking towards the office to telephone the news to the Chief's house, when the telephone bell from the South bank was heard - it was Perch. In a strangely subdued voice he told his story. Twice he had nearly reached the bank, but the muscles of his arms stiffened, and he had to let go and slide down to the centre. At the third attempt he landed, but overcome by exhaustion, he had to lie down and rub the crarnp from his arms. And the ladies kit had been sent over that afternoon! Asked if he was coming over that night, he replied "Not for any money. I am going up to the Hotel for the stiffest drink they can give me, and then straight to bed". When the Chief was told next morning of Perch's adventure, he merely smiled and said, "You know he was always a little mad".

It has been stated that when the two halves of the bridge were linked together, the men were given a holiday, and as most of them would gravitate to the Hotel to celebrate the occasion, they were told that the transporter would start from the South bank promptly at 6 o'clock, to bring them over to their quarters. In the evening the timekeeper re ported that 10 of the men failed to turn up and were still at the Hotel. He was instructed to ascertain their names and hand them in the next morning. At starting time next morning they were all present and correct, on the North bank. After doing themselves well at the Hotel they were turned out at closing time. At 11 o'clock at night, in deep darkness, they climbed over the newly placed girder, 20 inches in width, over the centre of the gorge, and climbed out on the other side, and so to bed. It is difficult to legislate for the adventurous.

During the construction of the bridge someone shot a hippo up the river. It was washed down and lodged in a cleft on the lip of the Falls. During the first and second days, the dead hippo, like the dead cat in Kipling's story, was merely "a gentle adumbration", on the third day it was a serious nuisance, and on the fourth day the workmen were gasping, and eyen the Africans spat in disgust. The men threatened to stop work, and it looked as if a dead hippo, like the live lions in "The Maneaters of Tsavo", was going to put a stop to construction. It was arranged for a "dynamite party" to blow the hippo off his roost next day. When the day dawned, it was seen that the waters had dislodged the carcase. Everyone breathed freely once more.

Every precaution was taken for the safety of the workers. A steel net was spanned under the length of the bridge, but nothing fell into it, except tools, of which there was a variety when the work was completed. Of the two fatal accidents that took place one was the result of carelessness, the other was pure mischance.

When the third bay on the North bank was being erected, a nine-ton girder was lowered into position by the crane, when it was found that the rivet holes on the girder and the piece already in position did not coincide. The fitters use a tool consisting of a spanner with a straight-rat-tail shaft, called a "drift", with which they wangle the loose piece into position so that the rivet holes correspond and the new piece can be bolted to the erected work. A fitter had his drift jammed, and failed to inform the foreman, who, the "all clear" being given, gave the signal for the craneman to lift. The lifted piece being fastened to the completed work by the jammed drift, the crane was pulling the weight of the whole structure. The wrought iron brake wheel collapsed, and the girder began to fall. There was an emergency foot brake which could be applied but the craneman failed to apply it. He had fainted. The girder fell sideways on to a cross bracing girder, on which a white man and an African were working. Both were pinned down; the African was killed instantaneously, the unfortunate white man lived for three hours afterwards, with most of his ribs broken, and conscious almost to the last.

When the bridge was nearing completion, a large squad of men were painting the steel work. Each was suspended in a "boatswain's chair" like the sailors painting the side of a ship. Up above, the decking of the bridge was being put down. A baulk of 12" x 12" timber was dislodged, fell through the bridge and knocked one of the painters, an Italian, out of his chair, to fall into a pool of mud near the foundations, 80 feet below. Two Catholic Fathers were lunching with the Chief when the accident was reported by telephone. One gallant old padre raced down to the bridge on the Chief's horse, to give the Last Unction to a dying man. When he was lowered down in a bucket, he found the man sitting up and complaining of "a pain in the head". The man was taken to hospital, was discharged a month later, but died three months after the accident, from the injury to his head.

Another fatal accident occurred during the construction of the bridge, though not directly connected with the work of erection. When the deep railway cutting on the North side was being excavated, adits were driven through the walls on either side, and the rock was tipped through them into the Boiling Pot below the bridge, on the one side, and into the Slinte Pool on the other. The danger zones were demarcated by a line of DANGER boards and visitors were specially warned not to go beyond the end board. One day, among the numerous visitors, were an old white-haired American gentleman and his daughter. They, like most visitors, went down Palm Grove to take photographs of the Boiling Pot at the water's edge. One of the workmen on the bridge noticed a woman struggling with the body of a man, who was slipping down the rock into the water. A relief party, headed by the Chief Engineer, was hastily got together, and, with a stretcher and first aid appliances, climbed down the gorge. Half way down we met the distracted and exhausted daughter, who said her father had been killed by a falling rock. We found the old gentleman quite conscious; his right foot had been almost severed, and the leg broken above the ankle. He was a plucky old chap. He looked on while the smashed foot was cut away and the stump bandaged, muttering "I won't get over this, I am too old". He was carried out and taken to hospital. The leg was amputated, but he died of shock after the operation. It was a sad story. Two old gentlemen (the one over 70 years of age) and the daughter of the elder, undertook a tour round the world. The younger died in Kenya. The other at the Falls, and the unfortunate daughter returned to the United States, bereft, and lonely.

One hears weird stories of persons being washed over the Falls, and rescued, alive, from the waters below. The thing is impossible. As the waters emerge from the chasm, with the Devil's Cataract and Main Falls on the left, and the Eastern Cataract on the right, they strike the cliffs on either side of the outlet, creating whirlpools 30 to 50 feet across, some sucking down, and others belching up, giving the appearance of a huge cauldron of boiling water. Hence the name The Boiling Pot. Nothing but crocodiles and fishes could live in it. Below the bridge as the waters take the straight run to the first bend below the Hotel, whirlpools are less but the river has the appearance of an angry sea, and by some strange action of the currents, objects in the water are sometimes thrown out on to a rocky ledge on the South side. During the construction of the bridge, a horse died, and it was decided to throw it into the gorge to see what would happen. When the carcase struck the water it was instantly sucked under and not seen again. In 1908, two Government officials, their wives, and the infant of one, were in a Canadian canoe, with an African Messenger. The canoe was attacked and upset by an angry hippo cow; one official and the wife of the other were drowned, and washed over the Falls. Some weeks later the bodies were found on the rocky ledge before mentioned. A few years later two visitors were fishing in the Boiling Pot for "gorge fish". One got a strike, and in trying to land his fish he slipped and fell into the Pot below the bridge. He was immediately sucked under, and his body was found later on the same ledge. On the other hand several Africans are known to have gone over the Falls, and their bodies, though searched for, were never found.

The Author
The late Mr. J. Arton-Powell, who died in 1950, was the father of Mr. E. O. Arton-Powell, who works in the Power Plant at Roan. This description of the construction of Northern Rhodesia's famous bridge was written in 1925.

The author was born at Claremont, Cape Town, in 1863. He joined the B.S.A. Company in 1896 as Postmaster at Macloutsie and throughout the Matabele Rebellion of that year he was responsible for keeping open the lines of communication from Salisbury and Bulawayo. At the end of hostilities, he received the Rebellion Medal and was promoted to be Postmaster at Bulawayo. During the South African war, he was present at the relief of Mafeking with the Southern Rhodesia Volunteers, and received the Queen's Medal.

In 1902, when the body of Cecil Rhodes passed through Bulawayo, Mr. Powell was Regimental Sergeant Major of the S.R. Volunteers, and was one of the bearers of the coffin from the train into the gun-carriage.

He resigned from the Government service in 1905 and went to the Victoria Falls as Local Secretary of the Cleveland Bridge Company. After the Bridge was constructed, he undertook a contract to erect the telegraph lines from Livingstone to Broken Hill, ahead of the railway. After some years of contracting for the mines and railways, he returned to Government service, and was appointed the first Superintendent of Public Works in Northern Rhodesia, from which post he retired in 1926.


The bridge from the Boiling Pot, April 1905
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Redecking the bridge for motor traffic (Last Section)
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ROAN ANTELOPE MAGAZINE, AUGUST 1954

Many thanks to Reg Hughes for the use of his Roan Antelope magazines.





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 14:12:41 (UTC)


to the person who is aka.. Rich Njovu /Rosa Tinto......
I received your email tonight, (perth time ) I thought I would do the polite thing and reply......I made a wonderful discovery, your email address does not exist......
it is a little like Rosa Tinto, now I have sent a few emails to her, and no, not with foul language,nor blasphemy but, just letting her know that bitterness does not pervail..putting people down publicly does not fit in with my thinking either !!!!!!........ funny I have never recieved a personal reply, I would like to say the person behind all of this you are making the GNR look mighty silly with your antics, maybe it is you that needs to be banned from the message board.......

BTW is there anyone passing on my paintings on to Rich Njovu ??.......

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 13:15:41 (UTC)


Kristien E. Massie et al

Thank you for providing the information about the woman from Sierra Leone who with Peter Godwin did the AFRICA UNMASKED television broadcast from Channel 4 in the UK.

Chisanga,

You might be able to locate a source for the DVD or videotape version of the broadcast with the additional information that Kristien provides.

I was unable to find anything on the Channel 4 site or the BBCi (see my previous links).

Regarding someone else's remark about the Dancing Baby, I answered the question privately, as it was not germane to the GNR to keep the thread going here. (Recipient see your private mail queue).

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 13:13:30 (UTC)


Bob and Thelma Trail,

I haven't replied to your message, but Heather says that her reply bounced.

You can recover your user ID and password through the password-recovery form. You must enter the e-mail address that is in your current entry for this to work, however, which means you need access to that account to receive the message with the user ID and password even if it's not the e-mail address you are currently using.

Thanks.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 12:55:13 (UTC)


ONE THOUSAND FUEL TANKERS MISSING?
A report from the Auditor General today surprised me when I saw the letters "GNR" in the first paragraph and wondered how this board could be involved in fuel smuggling, fortunately a typist must have misplaced the letters which stand for "Goods Recieved Notes".
Smuggling has been going on in Zambia for decades, but how is this done? 447 tankers with 16 million litres of fuel worth over$US6,000,000 crossed the Zimbabwe border at Beit Bridge but did not cross the Zambian border at Chirundu, Kariba, Livingstone or Kazangula.
Another 129 trucks from the North did not cross the Zambia /Tanzania border. These carried fuel worth over one and half million dollars.
Tankers that did cross the border but never made it to the refinery totaled 294, another 4 million dollars of fuel. A further 131 tankers were not recorded..
That is nearly 14 million dollars worth. Now we have exellent witch doctors and healers who can make coffins fly and transport people bodily all over the country, but not in this case.
Where are the tankers, the fuel and most important the cash.

Rich NjovuClick here to contact me
Bulawayo, Zimbabwe
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 12:50:41 (UTC)


Hi folks
From a really freezing and I don't know what I'm doing here season, the following info may be of interest. I have already given the details to Chisanga and will now share it with you :

The lady from Sierre Leone who appeared in the 3 part documentary with Peter Godwin is Aminatta Forna. She has written a book on her life and that of her father. It is entitled "The Devil that Danced on the Water", published May 2002 by Harper Collins.

I certainly couldnt put it down!

Cheers
Kris




Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 11:37:22 (UTC)


DAVE COOPER

So How come the dancing baby became the nemesis of Ali McBeal????

Brian TownsendClick here to contact me
Fourways Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 10:55:32 (UTC)


Rosa
since you like to put people down.......hmmmm
I actually love helping people.....you need to learn to spell correctly.....
cauli-flower
blasphemy



Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 10:54:29 (UTC)


Heather,

Thanks for doing all that fancy stuff for Kev's benefit - I can't even do bold writing!

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 10:04:50 (UTC)



Rosa it justs shows you how irrevelent you are I can not remember you putting me down. JG.

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Doug our mouse bird is nicer than your cat bird, so there followed by tongue out, Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 09:58:59 (UTC)



Kevin Mason Benefit Two Day Festival
DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA


22nd and 23rd December

Comedy and Beerfest

Jewish Club, Old Fort Road, Durban

The Comedians: Cheers Colin and Lumi, Spider Murch, our very own Graham Boyle, Dez Meyer, Graham Rich, Frank Graham, Colin Dee Leprechaun, Beware you can take it.

The Musicians: The Blarney Bros, Ryan Mason Band (Kevin's son's band), Salty Dog, Sharon,Lance Goldman, The GJ's, I an Jones and many more...

There will be a cash bar and boerie rolls

Both nights are from 7pm till late.

Entry: R40 per head.

For further details contact:
Jill Masterton - nee Aplin, Tel: 011 318 0241 Email: masterton@icon.co.za

INFO:
Kevin Mason is one of our GNR members and is a Kitwe lad. He has been a musician all his life, but is better known to Zambians for playing with The Gentle People.

Kevin has been battling cancer for over a year and is currently in a hospice in Durban. This benefit is to help his family meet the crippling hospital costs.


Posted on behalf of Jill Aplin

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 08:07:26 (UTC)


*snigger*

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 06:22:38 (UTC)


Message deleted in accordance with the Code of Conduct.




"Rosa"
I'm not interested in being part of the game you are playing with the members. Using me to bait people serves no purpose here.


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 04:57:08 (UTC)


Tina - great link to the Mousebird . Here's one , with sound , to the Catbird.

Catbird

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 02:06:49 (UTC)


Hi GNR members, (I've updated the link to make it clickable)

Rather than send in my pictures, my son Alex, who is a web designer, has put together a quick little web page for me, with all of the photographs that I wanted to show for now. This will allow me to add additional photographs and stories in the future.

Please click the link below to gain access to my web page.

http://www.geocities.com/don_jokes_heath_luanshya/

Regards,
Don "Jokes" Heath


Don HeathClick here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 23:59:21 (UTC)


Hi GNR members,

Rather than send in my pictures, my son Alex, who is a web designer, has put together a quick little web page for me, with all of the photographs that I wanted to show for now. This will allow me to add additional photographs and stories in the future.

Please use the link below to gain access to my web page.

http://www.geocities.com/don_jokes_heath_luanshya/

Regards,
Don "Jokes" Heath

Don HeathClick here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 23:47:34 (UTC)



Northern Cats.
Listen up female choli-flower heads, lets have less of your venemous e-mails. Just because someone does not have the same veiws as you and doesnt go into raptures about photos of rusty mining junk, coffeetable waterfalls
and old hillbillies, doesnt mean I cant express my opinions and feelings. You have a code of conduct so use it.
Doug Waybush and Granny Esther who have doubts about my sexuality, I suggest you ask Linda Hayes to connect "Roda" and " Softball" and she will tell you.

OK maybe I was a bit rude to Cooper, but he is a bit pompous and needs to be cut down to size now and then. At least he explained politely what field of Anthropology he is an expert in . OK maybe I was also rude to John Green
but he needs to be taught that not every woman falls over him. So remember all you women, any more of your blasfemy and I will copy all your messages to Arthur Steevens who when he sees the foul language you use you may be blacklisted.
Rosa


Rosa TintoClick here to contact me
Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 22:58:31 (UTC)


Dawie

Here is a start on some of those links. No necessarily academic papers, but interesting all the same.

Brief History of the Luba-Lunda Empire of Central Africa

Marcus Garvey

Peter Dielissen

If you look at the message board for October 22nd, there is more information on Von Lettow-Vorbeck and the end of WWI.

Bob and Thelma Trail

Over the weekend, you sent an email to Craig, but we are unable to reply as the email address is incorrect. Can you contact me with your correct address.

Ken Miller

I guess your father wasn't the only person who dumped the weapons etc that they found. The director of the Moto Moto Museum told me last year that they often retrieve weapons etc from Lake Chila outside Mbala (Abercorn). Those that are retrieved are stored at the Museum.

Vic and Alma Dawson, Don Heath

Welcome to the GNR and look forward to more postings from you.

Chisanga Puta-Chekwe

That's the first time I have heard that Motomoto got his name from the motorbike he rode. The other reason is apparently because of the pipe that he smoked and was always calling for someone to bring him moto to keep it alight. Apparently, Motomoto was also part of the battle cry of the Ngoni raiders 'Chenjera! Adza Kaluangwe! Moto! Moto!' (Beware the hawk comes. Fire! Fire!)

One of my books (Missionaries and Miners by Michael O'Shea) says that it could also be to do with the intensity of his character rather than the guns that he rarely discarded.

There is a story (true) about how two assasins were sent by Chitimukulu Sampa to assasinate Dupont. Armed with bows, they hid themselves in the bush where Dupont liked to shoot guinea fowl in the evenings. Just as he was within arrow range, a bird burst from the bush and Dupont brought it down with a single shot and the bird almost landed on the head of one of the would-be assasins. They were so impressed that they remained hidden and let him go on his way.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 10:22:27 (UTC)


Pete and Dave,

Yes, sorry about the dead search engine. The new site will have it.

The link to which Dave refers, Pete, is the brief article on Askaris by Steve Stephenson (who doesn't have an entry in the current Names Directory yet).

Don,

Thanks. Look forward to seeing your photographs. You can read Arthur's guidelines for sending him pictures here and more notes here.

Paudie and Sue,

Thanks for the early merry Christmas. My, but you're organised!


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 10:21:47 (UTC)


NORTHERNERS!

Please accept my apologies, but the following post has no real NR/Zambian content.

I noticed the "Dancing Baby" has been used on the MB. Perhaps some of you do not know the origin of this image. It was created at the discreet division of Autodesk, where I worked for 13 years from 1988 to the end of 2001 when I fled the US to emigrate to Nederland.

The image was done for free by a number of developers and escaped onto the Internet after some weeks. Autodesk was a little clueless on how to market the image.

We eventually go so sick of the image that a number of developers created alternative versions of the Dancing Baby... like the Dancing Baby being hit by a car, the Dancing Baby being hit by a rocket, (the following will get me censored by certain members, so if you're a moralist, stop reading NOW)... the Dancing Baby pissing and getting drunk, the Dancing Baby shooting up.

Being that I worked with the blokes that developed this, I had to say something, albeit non-germane.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...


Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 10:02:48 (UTC)


Ali, Well they used to have Beauteous (Big Bebby) - I think she might count - and maybe she has offspring?
Apart from the one that was left in Banbury!

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 09:42:02 (UTC)


"Yeti snow, Yeti Snow , Yeti snow"........ummmm do they have the equivalent of a yeti in Zambia.........

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 02:44:06 (UTC)


WHITE FATHERS .....

Heather, thank you for the recent article on Father Dupont.
As a young boy growing up in Kasama in the early 1950's, I made many visits with my parents to the various missions, including Chilubula and Malole.

I remember seeing a lions skull on the veranda to the red brick mission house, and being told that the White Father who had killed the lion had killed more lions than anyone in the Northern Province. After 50 odd years my memory is failing and I cannot recall his name.

The White Sisters also had a house at Chilubula, and I remember visiting with them. We would be ushered into a large reception area and were served fresh lemonade.
The White Fathers were never to keen on lemonade and their drink of preference was Scotch, primarily to combat the scourge of malaria.

Being a Scottish Episcopalian, I was never sure whether the White Sisters were married to the White Fathers, when asked Father Bonar advised me that there were those that believed the Sisters and the Fathers were married.

The White Fathers were a teaching order that had started in Algeria. Their official language was French, yet there were numerous nationalities including a contingent of Scottish fathers. Hearing French spoken in a Glaswegian accent was somthing to behold ..... little wonder the Bemba understood what the were saying.

Dressed in flowing white cassocks with their black and white beaded rosaries, the Fathers were a common sight on the dirt roads as they raced on their motorbikes going about their pastoral duties. It was only in the 1960's that with the bishop's permission that some were allowed to drive cars. Their tour of duty lasted ten years, at which time they returned to their home land for a one year sabbatical spending a few weeks on vaction befor working in a parish. I also remember going to visit the White Fathers residence just outside Glasgow.

The White Fathers played a major role in Northern Rhodesia and many other African countries. They helped educate many African leaders and looked after the sick and destitute. Zambia is a better place because of them.





Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 02:43:00 (UTC)


Hallucinagenic emails? Us?

My Antipodean colleague and I were just making up a few Carols featuring Yetis. My goodness. Blame the Yetis. Who knows what they were smoking. The other topic of conversation though was Mouse Birds. We had wanted to check out these unusual and intriguing little African birds and if you do too, dear reader, here is one website:

http://www.ixpres.com/jgintz/birds.html



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, December 09, 2002 at 02:10:13 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SMILER

MARSH!









YEAH BABY!!


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 20:21:22 (UTC)


Kasama and the Germans ......

In 1950 when my Dad, Tommy Miller was transfered to the Kasama Prison as the Officer in Charge, he carried out an intensive clean up of the prison store rooms.

In one of the secured store rooms, he discovered a cache of weapons and ammunition that the Germans had left when they passed through Kasama during the closing days of W.W.l.

The store room was cleaned up and the weapons and ammunition were trucked down the Mpika Road to the Chambesi River, and near the spot of the monument were dumped into the river.

Years later when he appreciated the historical significance of the weapons, he regreted having thrown them into the dark murky depths of the Chambesi River.



Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 17:15:50 (UTC)


To - Craig Hartnett and Co (GNR Management)

Thanks for your e-mail welcome to me when joining the
Great North Road community. You will be hearing from me and seeing some photographs shortly, I hope.

Regards to all,

Don Heath

Don HeathClick here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 16:28:57 (UTC)


Pete,

Jou weet wat ik wil zeggen, maar hierop deze website, ik kan niet, want ik zal gecensoreed wees, voorzeker!

Weed schmeed... there are better things.

By the way, what you discovered about the Great War and Zambia's significance to it was already documented on the Great North Road website. Dig around and you'll find it. Unfortunately you can't search as Headlamps in the Bush (my old implementation of a search engine) has been disabled for a long time now.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...



Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 15:29:52 (UTC)



Poor Dawie...

Moving to Amsterdam and being alergic to "boom" as we called it in Broken Hill. I guess we all have our crosses to bear in life....

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 15:06:47 (UTC)



Northeners....

So there I was Sunday morning sitting on the can reading my bible - The 2001 Uncle John's bathroom reader "plunges into history edition" - and right there on the bottom of page 209 it said:

"The last battle of WW1 was fought in what is now Zambia"

Intrigued I did a quick search of the other bible - the internet - and found the following:

"In Northern Rhodesia Lettow-Vorbeck faced a force of Rhodesian police and civilian volunteers strongly determined to block his way. It seemed likely that he would make his way South, perhaps to Salisbury or Bulawayo, but, having captured Kasama, word reached him on 13 November 1918 that the armistice had already taken effect in Europe. On 25 November, after confirmation that the war was indeed over, he surrendered, undefeated, and his men laid down their arms."



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 15:00:21 (UTC)


Johnny, Doug, et al

I risk being censored for the following message. I'll just chalk up the fourth time, if that happens! (By the way, the requests for my censorship on this web site have never come from the management of the site, but from other members)...

Where I live, you don't have to grow your own MARIJUANA, you just pop down to the local soft drug shop and buy it. You can also buy certain natural psychedelics like psylocibin mushrooms. Both the marijuana and the mushrooms can be bought in different strengths.

You can believe this or not, but I am alergic to marijuana, so contrary to some rumour, I did not move to Nederland to smoke dope!

I remember dagga growing quite easily in Zambia. The weather is perfect for it. But also in Australia, because while living in Balmain (Sydney) with a commune of students from Sydney U, we experimented in growing it. The experiment was very rudimentary... we went down to the where the Darling Street Ferry docked and threw a couple of handfuls of hemp seeds into a vacant lot. Some weeks later, Tim came running into the house shouting... "Come and see the hemp forest growing down at the wharf!" There was a veritable six-foot high hedgerow of the stuff, verdantly deep emerald green!

So, in warm and watered environments, weed grows like a weed!

Good luck!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 13:20:47 (UTC)



Doug for the benefit of some of my friends on this site do you think you could teach them in one easy lesson, as I am afraid the keepers of the keys would not allow a long discussion on the subject, although on reflection they have probably got an acre or two planted allready and could maybe able to give you a few tips, I can tell who is on it by some of the hallucinary EMs they send me, Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 10:15:01 (UTC)


Gordon - thanks for the invite . Actually I'm presently on assignment in western Maryland (Hagerstown) advising/teaching in the University of Maryland's College of Agriculture and Natural Resources , so its about 250 miles from you fellows I think . Any way I'll email you if I ever get down that way ,

Doug

ps and I haven't taught the locals how to grow dagga ....

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 23:19:27 (UTC)


.STRONG> Hi All
I have just read that along with the shortages of basic comodities in Zimbabwe, there is now a shortage of water, apparently there is a lack of foreigh currency to buy water purifying chemicals , both high income areas and low income areas are being affected in Harare...looks like water rationing will be in place at the end of the month.

what next ?

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 23:05:27 (UTC)


LIFE IS GOOD....

My wife was making Xmas fudge this morning and I noticed she was using condensed milk. Snarfed back a whole can...

I had not tasted that stuff since living in Broken Hill in the early sixties where if memory serves me right us kids bought tiny cans for sixpence. We then punched two tiny holes on top and slowly sucked the very sweet condensed milk out.

Right now my teeth hurt and it feels like they are going to fall out. A GOOD feeling......

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 19:00:28 (UTC)




Greetings to the 'Webmasters' of GNR. We would both like to express our appreciation for your dedication to providing this opportunity to read/contact people from 'our past'.
We have recently had contact from men from our 1950's days in Nkana/Kitwe. One was a five-year old at our Wedding in Kitwe Dec 1950 and the others' parents were our next-door neighbours in Nkana. A marvellous treat for us and we are loving the 'catch-up' from people we had long lost contact with.
Thank you again Webmasters for your time and patience.
Our Very Best Wishes for a Very Happy blessed Christmas and a successful, healthy New Year.

Vic and Alma Dawson

Victor DawsonClick here to contact me
Blockhouse Bay Auckland, New Zealand
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 18:58:10 (UTC)


Gill
Guess you know your sister only too well...!
Liz

LizdClick here to contact me
UK, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 16:32:38 (UTC)


Doug Waybrush.
June and I are only 2 hours up the turnpike.
we could have some fun? Kill some Buds? Or something?
cheers.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 03:43:49 (UTC)


"I find it totally incomprehensible that a person with extensive knowledge on a given subject/topic should deem it necessary to ostracize oneself instead of trying to educate.

What a crying shame................"

Gill - very , very eloquently put ; but it seems that that person didn't do the ostrich without self perceived provocation . And I think it shows one danger of a moderated board - that GNR will become very middle of the road and very dull unless all views are heard,

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 03:25:55 (UTC)


Gill Main,
You impressed me with your intellegent insight.
Thank you.

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 02:53:10 (UTC)


LizD
----
Just sent b/day photie to Carole, can bet a pound to a penny she hasn't been in touch??

Chisanga/Janie
--------------
Thanks so much for the help - all the info came from an unlikely source, ie., Owen Thomas/ex Mufie whom I know - Owen, again, what a star. Carole is off to Swaziland for the wedding - can imagine a BIG reunion for Marilyn Peart and her. Carole hasn't been in touch recently (surprise, surprise but she sent an e-mail to Les, my other sister, saying that perhaps I would be jealous!!!!!! Who me, the green-eyed monster from Hell - jealous? Blerry right, sis.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 22:55:28 (UTC)


I find it totally incomprehensible that a person with extensive knowledge on a given subject/topic should deem it necessary to ostracize oneself instead of trying to educate.

What a crying shame................

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 22:28:04 (UTC)


Fiona
Many thanks for your greetings to Dick - passed on to him and he was secretly dead chuffed that you remembered him! Secretly because he never likes to give too much away... I think he enjoyed his party but I reckon he would have remembered more if somebody (who shall remain nameless) hadn't been pouring him double double whiskies!
What the heck, you don't turn seventy every day do you!
Cheers
Liz

LizdClick here to contact me
UK, United Kingdom
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 22:13:03 (UTC)


Heather,

An excellent account on Father Dupont. I am not sure however that you have the right origins of the name Moto Moto. The term means fire and originally, I understand, referred to the "fire" emitted by Dupont's ancient motor cycle.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 16:08:18 (UTC)


Thanks Tina... Yes I still paint when I have the time. Its amazing how quickly the time is passing. I was just saying to my brother after dinner tonight that it would be nice if there were 8 days in the week as seven just doesn't seem to be enough for all the things I want to achieve. I had a friend once who told me that he needed an extra day to study for his masters, so decided to get up at 4am instead of 5. This gave him 7 extra hours in the week to reach his goals. I tell myself often to get up earlier, but it doesn't often work.

Thanks again

Esther

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 11:43:52 (UTC)


Esther

It does make you feel better having a good sound off doesn't it? I felt exactly the same when I did the same on the same subject at the end of last month. I learned that knotted knickers can bring a smile to one's face ;-).... and actually a few other faces too just as it brings frowns to others. Strictly pc or wisest move? Depends on how you choose to look at it...

You still doing those wonderful paintings?

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 11:30:24 (UTC)


Peter,
I don't often get my knickers in a knot, but reading the way this person keeps putting everyone down, really got to me. Her stupid comments on the saving of animals at Kariba, was just the last straw....
The good news, is that it did make me feel much much better

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 10:35:45 (UTC)


Hi Esther...

One thing I learned a long, long time ago in life was not to get my knickers in a knot when I disagree with someone.

Smell the roses instead - life is far too short to not enjoy every day!!!

And surprisingly, every now and then you may even learn something new and enjoyable from those who's view of life is very different to one's own....




Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 09:11:02 (UTC)


Everyone, Johnny's latest offering of email "codswallop" is quite lovely (too bad if you are allergic to sacchrine) and, as it turns out, Johnny - wow! Who knew? ...very African.

The Donkey Story
A very old Twa or San story originally served on the rocks. (Bottoms up Jilly!)

One day a Zambian farmer's donkey wandered off looking at all the rock paintings and engravings, trying to decide if they were made by Twa or San. He got very very lost, wandered all over Zambia and then accidentally crossed the border into Zim where he was enslaved by The Wrong Sort of Person To Be a Donkey Owner (which you would NEVER find in Zambia). Soon after, the donkey fell down into a well. The
animal cried piteously for hours. The farmer decided the animal was old and the well needed to be covered up anyway. It just wasn't worth it to retrieve the donkey. (You see? Wrong Sort! Zambian farmers just aren't like that!)

The W.S.P.B.D.O. invited all his neighbors to come over and help him. They all grabbed a shovel and began to shovel dirt into the well. At first, the donkey realized what was happening and cried horribly.

Then, to everyone's amazement, he quieted down. A few shovel loads later, the farmer finally looked down the well and was astonished at what he saw. With every shovel of dirt that hit his back, the donkey was doing something amazing.

He would shake it off and take a step up. As the
farmer's neighbors continued to shovel dirt on top of
the animal, he would shake it off and take a step up!

Pretty soon, everyone was amazed as the donkey stepped
up over the edge of the well and galloped off over the border into Zambia again!

Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds of
dirt. The trick to getting out of the well is to shake
it off and take a step up.

Each of our troubles is a stepping stone. We can get
out of the deepest wells just by not stopping, never
giving up! Shake it off and take a step up!

Remember the five simple rules to be happy:

1. Free your heart from hatred.
2. Free your mind from worries.
3. Live simply.
4. Give more.
5. Expect less.

P.S.: The donkey later came back and kicked the farmer that tried burying him - right in the Twa or San Art Canvasses!!!

Moral: When you try to cover your ass, it always
comes back to get you.


Let us be reminded to cherish every moment of our lives... and to tell those close to us how much we love them.

THE END

Now don't go looking for deep meaning. This is purely for fun.

Tina the pseudo-integill..pseudo-intellekchew... Tina the one who tries, usually unsuccessfully, to sound smart sometimes.


Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 09:09:33 (UTC)


Jilly
Thanks for your account of the eclipse, I know I certainly had those feelings of what you had, and my daughters have got that feeling of " the wonders of the world " instilled , something a lot of children don't get to see these days.......I have in my care at the moment hundreds of silkworm eggs, courtesy of Jade .......so next spring our house will be overrun by these amazing creatures.....much better than watching TV, and playing computer games.......

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 08:38:00 (UTC)


Solar Eclipse - Punda Maria, Kruger National Park RSA 4.12.2002

What can I say about the eclipse?

We drove for a few hours to the line of totality = hoping for a break in the clouds. The cloud cover was really disappointingly thick and it was a shame to see so many eclipse chasers lined at the sides of the roads with their telescopes and looks of despair..Oh well, I thought - c'est la vie.

We eventually stopped looking for a bright spot and parked the car at 5 to 8.

The morning, although already overcast and dull now started moving into a cold dusk with the confused francolins calling their sunset cries. At 8.18, the world went completely dark - the darkness strengthened by the heavy clouds. For just over one minute there was silence and darkness. The temperature dropped further still, quickly, causing goose bumps. The darkness was eerie, surreal, almost suspended over us. Three young Venda children - girls - took fright and ran screaming down the road towards their village. Suddenly right above us the clouds parted as the eclipse dawn rapidly broke and there was light once more. It was just awesome. I shed tears of emotion and I am glad to have made the eclipse trek and experienced the spiritual and emotional feeling of the phenomenon, it was something I hadn't expected.

We broke open the champagne and toasted the natural wonders of the world.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 07:14:00 (UTC)


ROCK ART OF THE NORTHERN PROVINCE

Northern Province, particularly the area immediately around Kasama, has an abundance of interesting rock art. In fact, Kasama has one of the most dense concentrations of rock art in Africa, with around 770 sites.

The rock art in Northern Province is dominated by red pictographs (a painting, daubing or drawing on a rock surface) as opposed to petroglyphs (engravings etched on a rock surface) which occur in North Western and Lusaka Provinces.

Of these red illustrations, there are two types. They are known as The Red Animal Tradition and The Red Geometric Tradition. Both of these traditions are found near Kasama and on other sites such as Nachikufu Caves (30 kilometres south of Mpika) and Nsalu Cave (north of Serenje)

The Red Animal Tradition consists of animal illustrations and, occasionally, human figures and, often, a series of dots (either applied with the thumb or fingers or finer ones applied with the end of a stick or brush.) The animal figures are typically distorted, usually with huge mid-sections and tiny limbs, heads and tails, making the species of the animal very difficult to determine. The Red Geometric Tradition usually consists of circles, concentric circles and variations thereof, lines and ladders.

This early rock art was thought to have been created by the Twa people prior to 1000 AD. These people were small statured, dark-skinned hunter gatherers of considerable skill and talent, particularly in the areas of hunting, rain-making and, obviously, artistic impression. The Twa people lived in Zambia for centuries before others, such as the Bemba people arrived. It is said that they retreated into more remote areas after the arrival of these other groups and may still exist in areas like the Bangweulu Swamps, Kafue Flats and Lukanga Swamp.
The Twa people have often been compared to the San, but, in fact, they are quite different. The language of the Twa is thought to be of Bantu origin, whereas the San speak a click language. The paintings of the two groups vary considerably. The Twa paint in geometrics which the San are not known to do and the animal paintings of the two are quite different in that the Twa animals are distorted and the San's are much more naturalistic and real to life.

The interpretation of these rock paintings is often difficult and perhaps we'll never really know the full meaning of them. The classic animal stickmen scenes have long been assumed to be re-enactments of hunting trips but it is more likely they were painted by spiritual leaders under a trance.

What is fairly clear is that the geometric symbols represent rainmaking and weather, others represent fertility and were used in the initiation ceremonies of young women. These illustrations are thought to have been created by Twa women. The spiritual trance scenes depicting animals, dots and, sometimes, human figures were usually painted by the Twa men.

Nsalu is a particularly spectacular site and you can see yellow and white illustrations in addition to red ones which make it quite unique. Unfortunately Nsalu has been badly vandalised by local graffiti artists.

Nachikufu Cave, very close to the Great North Road, has three lovely caves and stunning views of the landscape.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 06:59:09 (UTC)


Sorry, should have mentioned that Chilubula is near Kasama

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 06:27:42 (UTC)


This Rose person should crawl under the nearest rock and stay there.
Her nasty comments show a gangrenous heart and she (if it’s female) is obviously a mental midget with an IQ of a tadpole.
The criticisms from this person thus far are like an enormous slur on anything African.
Seldom have I encountered such drivel in print.
I can’t imagine why she hasn’t yet been banned from this site.
Rose ….. go away ……. You’re worthless and will never amount to anything.
Have you always been this stupid or have you been making a special effort just for the GNR page?
Don’t let your mind wonder, its far too small to be let out on its own.
This is an excellent time for you to become a missing person.
Grasp your ears firmly and pull; you might just be able to remove your head from you ass.


Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 06:26:10 (UTC)


Stanley Bolton

If you look at the September 2001 message board, there are some photos of present-day Livingstone.

FATHER JOSEPH DUPONT

Fr Joseph Dupont was born on 23rd July 1850 in Geste, France. Ordained as a Priest in 1878, he set sail for the Congo in June 1885. In 1866, he established his first mission station at the confluence of the Kasai River. At this time, there was controversy regarding the different missionaries' territories, and the Pope was called upon to adjudicate between the White Fathers (the missionary society to which Dupont belonged) and the Holy Ghost missionaries. The Pope ruled that the dividing line should be the Congo River and Dupont's new station was on the wrong side of the river.

In 1887 he was recalled from the Congo and in 1891 was appointed to lead the tenth White Fathers Caravan to Africa. After an eight month trip from Bagamoyo in Tanzania, he arrived at Karema where he lived until 1895 when he took up residence at Mambwe, with Kayambi as his headquarters.

Dupont, nicknamed Moto Moto because of his expertise with a gun, started building Chilubula in 1899 although it was only completed in 1905. The land on which the mission is built, five square miles, was allocated to Dupont following a visit to the area by Bobby Codrington, the then Administrator of North-Eastern Rhodesia, in May 1899. The foundation stone was laid during the same month. The blessing of the new church was held on 15 October 1899, the last official function of Dupont, who left the next day to return to Europe because of ill health. He returned in 1904, arriving at Chilubula on 9 September and remained in Zambia until 1911 when he retired to the White Fathers' college in Tunisia until his death on 19 March 1930.

The station was originally named Milungu after a stream nearby, but was renamed Chilubula shortly after Easter 1899. Dupont had travelled to another mission, Kayambi, for the Easter ceremonies and on his return to Chilubula was met by one of the men whose life he had saved from ritual death. The man cried 'Chilubula cesu, chilubula cesu, niwe ulindile mitwe yesu pa mabeya' (Our deliverance, our deliverance, it is you who have kept our heads upon our shoulders) and from then on, Chilubula became its official title.

Built of burnt bricks and with a stone floor, the building is still in its original state with the exception of the roof, which was replaced recently. During World War I, the people of the area sought refuge in the Church and the front door still has the hole door made by a sword when Von Lettow-Vorbeck's troops 'visited' the mission.

Moto Moto Museum in Mbala is named after Dupont.


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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 06:25:38 (UTC)


Stanley Bolton

I have a picture of the main street in Livingstone taken in 1973. I also have a picture of an ordinary house in Livingstone taken in 2002. Would either of these photos be of interest to you? The 1973 photo is probably stuck to the album but if you wanted me to I would be happy to attempt to steam it off and scan it. Please let me know.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 02:30:09 (UTC)


Doug and Dave,

I have enjoyed all the references to pre colonial Zambian history and concluded that compared to most on this site, I am a mere novice. I do recall however that I did promise to suggest some references. I am sure you are familiar with most of these. Here goes:

Encyclopedia.com has an interesting article on the origins of the Kongo Kingdom from whence Zambia's Bemba speaking peoples originate. The Lunda, Kaonde, Ila and Kunda also claim this kingdom (aka Kola) as their ancenstral home.

My sixteen year old son, who is far more literate in these matters tahn I am, has brought Basil Davidson's "Africa in History" to my attention. It traces the landmark developments of the continent from around 5000 BC to the 1970s. In case you are interested the ISBN is 0-684-82667-4.

My impression is that this is a more comprehensive version of "Which Way Africa", the book that so inspired me when I was doing my A Levels in England.

A less well known monogram that traces the history of the Bemba from Kola was written by F. Tanguy in 1946. It is called "Imilandu ya Babemba". I know that there has been a reprint and some bookshops in Z stock the book. I do not know if it has ever ben translated into English.

The writings of Father Joseph Dupont, who briefly served as a Bemba chief after the death of Chief Mwamba Mubanga Chipoya in 1898, may also be useful. I would add by way of footnote that Father Dupont's body was returned to Zambia for reburial on December 15, 2000.

Chisanga.


Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 02:25:23 (UTC)


hi there to you all , Please does any body have any photo`s of Livingstone(pre1963 to now) As i grew up there and would like to see the old place again it holds a lot of fond memories . so here i sit and long for a view of my long passed youth in days of sheer bliss and happeness .

Stanley BoltonClick here to contact me
Liverpool, England
Friday, December 06, 2002 at 01:06:55 (UTC)


Chris Drake
I have had some funny experiences with Canadians when I mistake them for Yankees. They go all funny colours and steam starts coming out of their ears! :-)My emails to you at both 'goldcity' and your other address have been returned. Please email me again.

George
I visited the 2 sites you recommended but didn't go too far into them. I then tried a google search for 'bemba' which brought up 36500 items so I searched for 'bemba history' which narrowed it down to 7. Mostly a bit heavy for my non-qualified un-anthropological brain but probably of interest to the more erudite Dave & Chisanga. I found a nice article on Shiwa Ngandu tho.

Cheers - Doug - the pseudo historian, failed eclipse astronomer and knobbly kneed GrandDad.

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 18:42:32 (UTC)


Rosa et al

As I said in early post, my degree is in physical anthropology, not social or cultural. Ask me about primate radiation or evidence of sagitall crests on australopithecines, and I might know more about that than Zambian "rock-art" [sic].

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 15:52:03 (UTC)


Dear All,

This is my first message so a little back ground to start. My folks, Laurie and Bella Rackham, arrived in Ndola in '52. Dad was a newly qualified architect with Lewes council, Sussex, before answering 'the call' from Ndola council. Via Chingola and Muf, we ended up in Kitwe in '63 a year before my sister Sarah-Anne was born.
Dad was working for himself then doing design and build, shops/apartments, bungalows and offices etc. The most prominent was/is Marbel House (after mum and me) built in 66/67 with a local builder Jimmy Jupp, which was 'left behind' in '71 when we left for the UK via SA. Dad moved on to join the 'Great Architect' in '98.
Marbel House was/is on old Canberra/Independence Avenue (memory's not so good!) opposite the Tech labs, can anyone tell me if Marbel House is still standing (I might just come back and make a claim!)and if there are any photos of that area of town. There is an aerial shot in an article about Kitwe becoming a city where it shows an empty plot below the Civic centre which became Marbel House.
Also people we are looking for are the Rumbalow sisters Gillian, Jacqueline and Janice, who we think is still there. Gillian was on a farm down near Grahamstown. Lizzy Lombard, Lesley Chalklin, The Jupps (legged it to SRZim in '71).
As coincidences go I married my solicitor secretary, an expat Zambian, Sophie Ketteringham, who's folks, John and Anne will be joining the site in the next few days.
Must go look forward to receiveing any info

Regards

Mark Rackham

Mark RackhamClick here to contact me
Banstead Surrey, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 15:07:20 (UTC)


Psuedo Historians
Cooper you are an anthropologist yet you dont know about Zambian prehistoric rock art. Why not? Get down to your local library and read these two books:-
ROGER SUMMERS-Prehistoric Rock Art of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. and Zambian Rock Paintings by D.W. PHILLIPSON.
You could also stop your photographer wasting photos of corny eclipses that are on every newspaper and TV station and send her to Roan Farms near Ngwerere where she will find a cave full of bats and bat guano. If she scrapes enough off the back walls she will find some interesting paintings.
After that send her of to Mpika to the Nachifuku Caves where she can photo some San paintings about 15,000 years old, discovered in 1948.
Then send her past Kapishi Hot Springs through Chikuni village for some bushmen paintings. After that she can take a short detour to Nsala Hill Cave to photo more prehistoric wall paintings.
A short trip cross country to Kachalola she will find a surviving drawing of an Eland, sacred to the Late Stone Age People who used it for religious or sacred meaning.

Back North East to Mbala district for some San art but beware of "new" fakes. Genuine Zambian rock art is more geometric than Southern African types, made up of mostly squares and dots. Animals are stylised and sometimes hard to identify.
Elephants, warthogs and lions are shown with short legs and tails and big bellies.
Now Cooper, this is more in line with your talents. Zambian rock art is difficult to interpret, some are symbolic possibly showing weather divination, ancient pornography, trances etc. Post those photos here and tell us what they mean.
Rosa
ps George Maxwell at last you posted something of some use.

Rosa TintoClick here to contact me
Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 14:33:23 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

Thanks to all for the input and responses on the San and their artistic legacy in Central Africa. I look forward to more information on the First Nation peoples of the region.

Heather, that is a beaut shot of the rock painting. Any ideas on dating and ethnicity? Also, is the dark roof of the second shot cave result of centuries of fires?

It is a beautiful day here in Derbyshire. I was looking at some shots of Bloubergstrand in Kaapstad, and noticed that the skies in England today look like the skies over Tafelbaai. Oh dear, I want a snoek on the braai now!

One tear rolls down my cheek... Suid-afrika!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 12:36:17 (UTC)


Amanda

Thank YOU!!!! I had totally forgotten that. Dad was a real teacher and was gentle and charming. He loooooooved answering questions and passing on knowledge. Everything and everybody was so interesting to him. So many of our Mums and Dads were that way with academics or bush lore, common sense, wisdom and so on - hey???? So special.

I'll think a bit on interesting astronomy items for New Zealand and your daughter and email you along with a picture of Dad. Talking of meteors... Hey you might accidentally catch a few meteors in New Zealand night sky sort of now to 8th December and just before Christmas but I don't think anything spectacular. Gotta think ...I'm a bit out of touch with the southern hemisphere now :-((

Any S.A. or Zambian astronomy buffs reading this who could chime in???? Bet you all had an AMAZING time with the eclipse.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 10:30:47 (UTC)


Here are some net based resources that I use on a regular basis:
http://www.uiowa.edu/~africart/toc/index.html

http://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology/databases/africa_public/africa_public.htm

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 09:16:04 (UTC)


Dawie
There is plenty of info on the net, but when I find things, I tend to save them as text files, rather than reading them online. I will go through all the files that I have and fine the URLs (give me a bit of time to do this). I also have a number of books that were published by researchers such as Elizabeth Colson, Max Gluckman and others under the auspices of the Livingstone Museum. I shall have to lend those to you (or you can visit me and read them here??). Two other books which I use often are The Zambesian Past and A History of Zambia, both out of print now.

Rock Art - I have an interesting book on this too (can't remember the exact name), but it covers the Mwela Rocks at Kasama, Click for image. Nachikufu Caves Click for image. and other art in Southern Africa. Another reason for you to visit so that you can see for yourself.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 07:21:19 (UTC)


Dear Tina
Thanks for the posting about your Dad. I am sure I can remember him. When I was at the Convent, the first moon landing happened and Sister Cordelia arranged for someone to come in at night with his telescope and let us see what was happening. I am sure it was your dad, as I remember his lisp. He was really facinating and sparked off an interest in Astronomy. In fact just last winter I dragged my daughter at three o'clock in the morning to look at an astronoid shower and was telling her all about the man who came talked to us about the Moon and Mars (which was prominent in the sky during the same period). I remember him as being endlessly patient with us and answering the most stupid questions - I think some of us believed that we would be able to see the moon lander with his telescope.

Thanks for the memory

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 05:46:19 (UTC)


MERRY CHRISTMAS

and

A HAPPY NEW YEAR


to all on the GNR, especially the muso's.
And a big thank you to the management team Dave, Craig, Heather and Arthur for all that they do for the GNR.


from Paudie Coughlan and Sue Forde


Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 01:35:22 (UTC)


Dave and Doug,

I will go over some of my materials when I get home this evening. I know from our family papers that our history goes back to 1492 (thanks to the curiosity of a certain Portuguese Captain)

I'll let you know what I come up with. I suspect Heather will have far more information than I. So, I look forward to hearing from Heather.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 20:46:29 (UTC)


John Glen's (ex- Mufulira) son also named John Glen who now lives in the UK tells me he is going to produce a video on how to make biltong. If you are interested go to

http://www.btinternet.com/~makeyourownbiltong/

Cheers - Doug


Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 20:41:54 (UTC)


Chisanga & Heather
I would like to second that request by Dave. I find such things very interesting. Thanks to you both for your input on the Matrilineal query.

The eclipse was a non-event in Vryheid where it should have been 90% plus. There was such a heavy cloud cover and drizzle that we could not see anything.

I hope Jill had better luck at Punda Maria.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 20:18:13 (UTC)


Chisanga and Heather,

Can you provide some links to academic sources of information on the various peoples of Central Africa, that includes Zambia? I say Central Africa because as we know, the borders of Zambia are artificially imposed by the colonialists of the 19th century. I would like to know, for example, how many people live across borders.

Maps and a comprehensive list of ethnic groups would be wonderful too!

One thing that I have often thought about is the presence of San peoples in the Central African region. I have never heard of "bushman" paintings as exist in southern Africa.

I would also like good academic links to sites that discuss the pre-colonial history of the region.

These links should be established on the Great North Road.

Your help would be greatly appreciated!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...



Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 13:43:50 (UTC)


Heather....
Thanks from us in Perth, myself and the girls were thrilled to see your photos, of course right at this moment in time we are experiencing the phenomenom and I must say the girls are excited with their pinhole cameras, I just feel that real uneasiness as I look outside and the day sort of looks gloomy but....there are no clouds.........
I would love to be in Ceduna in South Australia, where they will be having the best view, I believe there are about 10,000 people visiting there ........
thanks again
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 09:32:59 (UTC)


Sheine,
Tried emailing but couldn't get through. Pse send me a msge so I can reply.

Got horribly sick in Borneo and just getting back to normal now. Will explain on email.

Heather,
Those shots of the eclipse are incredible. Thank you very much. We were warned not to watch!

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 08:43:45 (UTC)


hi marilyn,
yes i do have one or two photos of the klings somewhere, taken when we were still living in meyerton in the transvaal.will look for them.i did email you privately a while back when i received your message.do not know if you received it.
cheers for now, sheine

Sheine Fisher (née Bernstein)Click here to contact me
Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 07:45:43 (UTC)


Heather

Those phogos are spectacular. Thanks for those gorgeous pix of our life-giving G-type star!!!

Made me think of my dear fascinating Dad! He was always out in the African night with his eye to his telescope. I have an old "Field Book of the Skies" of his - littered with neat margin notes dating back as far as 1952. He gave a couple of astronomy talks on the radio in Lusaka in the early 1960's. Funny thing but those radio talks were the only place you ever heard that he and Elmer Fudd of Bugs Bunny fame were vewy vewy distantly welated. There, only, so your ear told you - he introduced himself as Wex Wallace and you became aware of the Owion Nebula and that the pointers to the Southern Cross were in the constellation of Centawus.



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 07:18:12 (UTC)


David
Computer discs work very well. Last year when we experienced a total eclipse, we were very concerned about our staff (and their families) on the farm, but the cost of eclipse glasses for 400 plus people was exorbitant. I had a heap of old 5 1/4 inch discs which I had never thrown out, so we took them apart and made glasses out of cardboard with the bits of disc stapled in as lenses. I had designed them so that the arms were also made out of cardboard and hooked onto ones ears. But one of our staff members improved the design by using good old leggin, which went round the back of the head and kept the glasses in place. There were no cases of eye damage.

I would say we experienced about an 80% eclipse today.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 07:08:52 (UTC)


Heather

Great pictures as usual and top marks for thinking to use a computer disc taped over the lens. I used a pin hole to show an image of the eclipse.

Cheers



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 06:45:27 (UTC)


Hi All

I've just been watching the 60% solar eclipse down here in beautiful cloud free Cape Town. I guess that it must have been about 60% in Zambia as well. Crowds of tourists have flocked to the Kruger Park where a 100% eclipse was experienced.

Cheers



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 06:36:53 (UTC)


Northerners

As I type this, we are experiencing a partial eclipse of the sun. Here are some photos taken with a piece of computer disc taped over the lense of my camera, hence the red colour. Not as spectacular as a full eclipse, but still pretty spectacular. (The name of the file tells you what time the photo was taken)

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 06:17:39 (UTC)


Hello Sheine

Really enjoyed the photos. Brought back so many memories. I remember your mum and dad so well. And many visits to the synogogue in Kitwe. Any photos of the Klings? I wonder if Ollie ever visits the site. Can't picture him behind the wheel of a go cart!

Eric & Iris are now here living in Perth so all the Shooters are here now.

Alix,
Love the drawings you send me. Between you and Heather we've a load of artistic talent on the web.

Arthur,
Welcome back. Where were you? I had a disastrous holiday (NOT) in Borneo but I'll email you!


Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, December 04, 2002 at 04:50:09 (UTC)


Ann - I see the winner was "Everything is Illuminated" by Jonathan Safran Foer . But at least Alex Fuller's book made it to the last five ,

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 23:54:06 (UTC)


Alexander Fuller's book 'Don't let's go to the dogs tonight' was shortlisted for the Guardian First Book Award. The winner will receive £10,000. Results were to be announced today - does anybody know which book won?

Ann Moss (née Papier)Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 21:04:35 (UTC)


To all who knew him, I've copied this from the ex-Luanshya site..... Great bloke, I'm privileged and honoured to have known him.
Neil.


It's with great sadness that I have to report the death of Jim Oxley, in Gaborone at the weekend. We count ourselves fortunate and blessed to have been included as part of the Oxley extended family for many years - to Maureen, Kate, David, Alison & Louise as well as your own families, we offer our love and sympathy.
I understand the funeral is in Gaborone on Thursday and I expect that business in the city will come to a halt - a tribute to a guy who gave so much to so many.
I'm sure there are lots of you out there who have the same sentiments.

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 20:56:39 (UTC)


LIZ DOWNING

Memory is an amazing thing. I was 10 when I left Zambia 36 (and some) years ago and I still recognize Dick. I had a picture in my mind of him and it IS the same person I remember. I hope he had a wonderful party and a belated happy birthday to him.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 19:33:46 (UTC)


Chisanga

AFRICA UNMASKED was on Channel 4. But when I search their lousy website, nothing comes up. Typical. This would not happen in Nederland, of course! [stupid smiley button here]. If you go to this article on the BBC, you can reach a mention of the programme.

The programme featured a Sierra Leonean woman (who is actually half SL and half British), and Peter Godwin (the Zimbabwean journalist who wrote MUKIWA. They return to Africa and dispell the usual crap about what is wrong with Africa (as reported by the western press), and they reveal the real story.

The BBC Bush house would have tapes and DVDs of their programmes. I wonder if Channel 4 does too.

And yes, I understand how frustrating it must be in North America. I often had fun telling gullible Americans that I rode to school on a zebra and had a pet giraffe in the backyard!

Gelukkig!

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 18:52:31 (UTC)


hi marianne martin(maz)
thanks for the message. yes i do remember the bardavids but not very well.it is all so long ago but i have to say that i have found a long lost friend formaley lynne abrams who actually found me on the names directory and and have been corresponding ever since.who intends going to the livingstone reunion?i know i am with my younger daughter.it will be really great to see some old faces and go back to a country that we all love so much.
cheers till next time, sheine

Sheine Fisher (née Bernstein)Click here to contact me
Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 18:20:05 (UTC)


Dave,

Thank you for bringing Africa Unmasked to my attention. I did not see the programme but I would very much like to. The North American media is nauseatingly simplistic in its analysis of the African economy. Many of the "experts" here have difficulty telling the difference between Libya and Botswana.

How can I get hold of Africa Unmasked?

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 17:15:41 (UTC)


Dave,

Thank you for bringing Africa Unmasked to my attention. I did not see the programme but I would very much like to. The North American media is nauseatingly simplistic in its analysis of the African economy. Many of the "experts" here have difficulty telling the difference between Libya and Botswana.

How can I get hold of Africa Unmasked?

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 17:15:41 (UTC)


Hi Sheine,

Many thanks for your wonderful pictures of Kitwe in gone by
days. Gosh they certainly brought many memories flooding back.

Do you remember a family called the Bardavids. They had a shop in the 2nd Class Trading area. They also had one daughter called Renee who attended Broken Hill Convent with me, (One of my very special friends). I often wonder what happened to them as I lost touch with them - like you do.

Also thanks to Arthur for putting all these pictures on the GNR for us. You are a real gent to give up so much of your precious spare time.

Regards,

Maz

Marianne Martin (née Griffiths)Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 15:48:53 (UTC)


Heather,

Brilliant and expeditious input! Thank you.

Matrilineal processes in a culture do not necessarily imply the societies are polyandrous. It can get quite complex. It would be interesting to know if there are societies which are matriarchal, matrilineal, and polyandrous!

Did any of you watch AFRICA UNMASKED? It had a very good explanation as to why Africa lags behind in agro-economic growth. This is not new information, but it has a lot to do with the arrival of domestic animals to do the hard work, the effects of tropical diseases and insects such as tsetse fly, malaria, and yellow fever, and migration pace of Bantu moving southerly.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 14:15:01 (UTC)


MATRILINEAL SOCIETIES

From what I have read, the Zambian tribal groups are basically matrilineal and only the tribes that have had contracts with tribal groups from outside of Zambia, are patrilineal. The Ngoni have a South African connection and are patrilineal. The Lozi too had contact with the Kololo from South Africa and are patrilineal. The Tumbuka are patrilineal and this is thought to be a result of the Ngoni influence and that of the invaders who traded in the Lundazi area. The Namwanga are patrilineal and this influence is traced to Tanzania. The Ila are also patrilineal but this cannot be as easily explained as the other tribes except possibly through their connection with the Lozis. Thus, the Central, Luapula, Copperbelt and North-Western provinces are principally matrilineal.

Matrilinealism is a major influencing factor on the people's way of life as it is a reference point in solving problems within the community and it defines the critical issues of inheritance in a family and covers aspects such as wealth, status, wives and power, as well as chieftaincy and headmanship. The maternal side of a family is the ultimate beneficiary in each inheritance and the major difference between matrilinealism and patrilinealism is that sons have no right to their father's' possessions by way of inheritance. The man's brothers also have a very slim chance of inheriting the wealth. Only in very rare and highly complex instances can a brother inherit the wealth. The inheritance of wealth is also defined according to what the tribe regards as wealth. Amongst the Tonga for instance, wealth mainly means animals - cattle.

In a matrilineal society, marriages also follow a pattern totally different from that followed in a patrilineal society. The man leaves his village or home to live at the wife's village. Only after the man has proved himself at the wife's village, by way of hard work and good behaviour, together with the ability to produce children, will he be allowed to take the wife to his village, but then only after payment of lobola. Husbands in a matrilineal society are only important for the job of producing children, just as one would lend a friend his boar or goat. Matrilinealism also defines the custody of children in the event of divorce. They will be the mother's children.

The origins of matrilinealism can be traced to a belief concerning knowledge about the real fathers of a woman's children, which only the woman would know. The maternal side is proud that it possesses the secret knowledge about the real fathers of the woman's children and has thus gained control over the paternal side. Thus, and because the culture demands that women should not override men in authority, power is delegated to the woman's brother. This is the origin of the uncle's significance in matrilineal societies. And from there it goes on that a man's only true relatives are his sister's children so the only persons on which he could exert any control is his nephews. Apparently during the slave trade, a man could only sell his nephews because they were the only ones he had a real relationship with. (selling one's own children was avoided because one might sell children one did not produce as it was only the woman who knew the real fathers of her children)

The matrilineal culture emphasizes the strong relationship between the children of two sisters because even though they have different fathers, they are strongly linked by the fact that their mothers are the children of one woman.

Matrilinealism has been sustained more or less by the ignorance on the part of men about the mystery of conception and women have taken advantage of this. But at the same time, women are still considered inferior to men.

Another big difference between patrilinealism and matrilinealism is the status of children. Children in patrilineal societies belong, in all respects, to their fathers.

Of course there are more aspects to matrilinealism/patrilinealism - the communal way of life, the importance of the insaka, who eats what at the insaka, marriages, funerals, taboos and superstitions - but no time for that today.

I haven't read anything about multiple husbands, but perhaps to find anything on this, I should be reading up on insanity!

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 13:29:22 (UTC)


Chisanga & Doug,

Correct my previous email, I should have said polyandry and not polygyny.

Feh! Cultural anthropology was for girls anyway!

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 11:18:48 (UTC)


Chisanga & Doug,

While reading cultural anthropology at uni, I took a course on People's of India. We studied a southern Indian culture which practiced polygyny. Some, mostly western cultures, practice polygamy, but few practice polygyny.

Would polygyny be practiced by those matriarchal cultures in Zambia?

During the course, it was stressed that polygyny is rare and we were hard-pressed to find any outside of India.

It would be of great interest to me to know that Zambia had such unique societies!

By the way, my degree is NOT in social or cultural anthropology, but in Physical Anthropology with a special interest in Primatology and Palaeoarchaelogy.

Tot kijk...

Groeten...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 11:13:56 (UTC)



Dear Shein Fisher, your photo with caption which says,
My dad in law Allan on right with brother Dan, maybe the pic has been produced back to front to what you intended but the brother on the right to my knowledge was called Maurice and the one on the left is Allan, surely that is Maurice who was married to Shirley, or did close family call him Dan? Allan and Maurice were friends of mine for many years and they ran AMD in Chingola together and I would appreciate any news that you can give me of them please. Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 08:30:02 (UTC)


Sheine Fisher:
Great photos, Sheine. I was especially pleased to see the old go-karting photos again.
Did you know Ernie Staples from Chingola (also from the Leach Plant, NCCM).
We did a trip to Lubumbashi in a group in October 1965 - raced round the traffic roundabouts there, competing with Belgian expats who had not yet "gone the gap".
On the way back to Chingola, there was a tremendous downpour of torrential rain, and Ian Smith (NO, not that one!) ran off a bridge into the drink because of the bad visibility.
Boy, it can rain in the Congo!
Regards
Bob Allan
Melbourne

Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 02:18:29 (UTC)


Northerners !

As promised here are the contributions in the waiting backlog. Apologies to those that have been waiting so long.

Along with the normal photos and contributions I received by e-mail these last few weeks I have also received a letter in the post from Sheine Fisher with a wonderful contribution of photographs which I am sure many of you will enjoy.

Also enclosed was a gift from Sheine and I'm reproducing part of her letter here (hope you don't mind too much Sheine)

"I have also enclosed a book you might like to keep. Do not know if you have one. It was given to my Dad as a gift at least 30 years ago by good friends Helen and Tommy Campbell also ex Kitwe. Helen owned two hairdressing salons, Jacqueline and Jenesse in Kitwe. It's a limited edition collectors as you will see on the inside - "This is Our Land" - stories & legends of the two Rhodesia's. Happy reading"

Sheine I am taken aback by your kindness and generosity, thank you very much indeed. I have read many of the stories, the author, Frank Clements, also wrote "Getting to Know your Rhodesias and Nyasaland" a book which was essential in most primary school kids satchel.

I will check out to see if we can get permission to publish some of the brilliant stories on the GNR.

Thanks once again

Arthur




Dear Arthur

Here are my few photos as promised. As I said before no big deal but my contribution.


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Do not know year of the photo. Taken outside Kitwe Synagogue

Sitting in front row from left to right
My Dad, Shirley Herr, Reevie Gersh, (others I know faces but do not remember names)

Middle Row
2nd from left is Nina Pinshow, Gertie Gersh, Rev & wife (no name?) others can't remember.

Back Row
Not in order I see Harold Schwartz, Harry Gersh & Mrs Israel, Max Liebowitz, Len Pinshow (the tall one at the top), others I know faces.


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Reverend & wife (can't remember name), Nina Pinshow, my Dad Herbert Bernstein & Gertie Gersh.


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Another Jewish Congregation picture, again no idea of year.

Faces and names that I recognise:

Harold Schwartz, Selma and Ruby Benigson, Reevie & Maurice Gersh, Hilda Kelly, my Mom Diane, Mrs Schmal, Ann Melamed, Molly Diamond, (mother of Morris) Gus Liebowitz, Mr Kelly, Max Liebowitz, Deidre Liebowitz. The rest I know but names elude me.



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Inside Shul in Kitwe


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Another photo inside Kitwe Schul Hall. Don't know year. My Dad is standing. He was Chairman of Kitwe Hebrew Congregation at one time.


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A photo of the Std 5 class of 1966 at St Johns Convent. Some names I remember some not. Henri Papier is in front pulling a tongue, Richard Garson, John Stewart, John Clifton, John Holland, Steven Rosner, Helen Gawith, Margaret Sellars, Cecilia Chileshe, Barbara Schmidt, Naynabin Kapadia, Melanie Henrichson, Frances Fagan, Maureen Doyle Davidson, Lynette Cooper, Irene de Beer, Jocelyn Lehout, (not sure of spelling) Sr Mary Crucifix, others can't quite remember.


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Sister Candida Marie, our Standard 4 teacher St Johns Convent 1965


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Sister Mary Crucifix Std 5 teacher St Johns 1966. Henri Papier & Richard Garson in background.


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Part of Lusaka Airport ( not sure what I did with other half) This was taken between 1967 and 69


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This photo was taken in Meyerton, Transvaal sometime between 1988 & 1990 (not too sure) The late Eric Redman ex Kitwe & Lusaka. On the left is his daughter (can't remember her name) & my older daughter Natalie who is now 29 is holding Eric's granddaughter. Eric is holding my younger daughter Samantha who is now 18.


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Another photo of Eric Redman's daughter with granddaughter, my 2 & on the end left is Alma Gogle, may be of interest to Geoff and Norma Gogle.


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View down Pamo Ave (ex Essex Ave) Kitwe


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Our house at 13 Pamo Ave near St John's


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View of Kaunda Square (Coronation Square) from my Moms office Central African Trust in Kitwe.

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And another two


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Truck and Car Spares (light industrial area) Kitwe. My husband Lionel and his Dad Alan Snr. owned it. Lionel's brothers Alan, Brian and Hugh were also there.


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My Dad in law Alan on the right & brother Dan (ex AMD Motor Spares Chingola) on left at the track in Chingola.


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Go Karting in Chingola. My Dad in law Alan Fisher Snr. in front. Behind looks like Ollie Price and Brian Canterbury.


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Another Karting photo in Chingola. (I think it was called the Lawrence Allen Circuit)


Sheine Fisher - Warner Beach, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa




Arthur

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Four more photos taken 2 years ago in Kitwe (Central Hospital) and Chingola (St Barnabas Church).
Of personal and perhaps more general interest to ex-Copperbelters.

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...and four from Lusaka at about the same time (April 2000).
Airport and Hotel Chrismar.


Thanks

Bob Allan - Melbourne




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From left back: Jill Kelly. Dick Downing, Mary Holland, Len Holland
Center: Helen Price, Pete Horan, Toni Duffy, Pete Duffy, LizD
Front: Terry Price, Dot Horan, Morgen Downing

Picture taken at a surprise 70th birthday for Dick. If I thought he was going to have a heart attack when he opened the door to find Morgen and granddaughter Aimee on the doorstep having secretly arrived from Kitwe, it was nothing compared to walking him into a house full of ex-Luanshyans and ex-Mufulirans! As he's lost his sight, his voice and half of his jaw, it's pretty safe to say that he was at a loss for words once he figured out what the heck was going on. To all of the attendees (and I now know that a lot of you are closet site-watchers) thanks SO much for making it an absolutely wonderful party for him even though I doubt he remembers too much of it. Glad to know that you've not lost those partying skills. There were a few dodgy moments - I now know that rugby should never be discussed when there are Luanshya and Mufulira supporters in the same room and another serious incident was narrowly averted when the Mufulira contingent realised that Luanshya had control of the beer fridge.

Apologies to Muf as it seems that there was no team photo taken.


Liz Downing - Lincs., United Kingdom


Hello Arthur,

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This is a photo of my grand daughter Lily who is one year old this month.

Regards,


Maz Martin - Timperley, Cheshire, England




Thank you ALL for some really brilliant photos. And no getting grumpy if this miserable lot totally ignore the pearls you have cast before them! You just cannot win some days - take it from me.


Hey Wilma - well at least I have somebody pleased to see me back - xxxxxx !


Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 01:40:56 (UTC)


It should be remembered that Chirapula Stedhenson was married to a Lala Princess

Ken FernieClick here to contact me
Irvine, California, United States
Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 00:58:40 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added postcard of Northern Rhodesia Flying Club House at Mufulira submitted by Richard Proctor. See Miscellaneous/ Aviation.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 22:09:35 (UTC)


Doug,

Please read matrilineal for "matrilinial". My apologies.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 21:31:57 (UTC)


Doug,

The view that women in Swaziland should have more than one husband, if they choose to, is well founded in equity. I cannot understand however why any reasonable woman would want to have more than one husband. Considering what a nuisance men can be, surely one male spouse is more than enough for anyone!

As for the Zambian ethnic groups, yes some are matrilinial. In the old Bemba kingdom for example, inheritance was done through the female side. This custom was apparently developed during the latter days of the great Kongo empire in the early sixteenth century. The Lamba and Lala have the same history and culture as the Bemba, so they too would be matrilinial. I understand that the Nsenga of Eastern Zambia are also matrilinial.

Female chiefs are certainly common within the Bemba speaking groups. I am not aware however of any Zambian queen or chiefteness who has chosen to have more than one husband, proof perhaps that women are smarter than men. On the other hand the highly intelligent women from the Tuareg culture in Mali do often have more than one husband. It is the only society in the world, as far as I know, where women are considered culturally superior to men. But I digress.

Perhaps we should consult someone like Professor Kashoki, a world authority on Zambian languages and ethnicity, for a more informed narrative on the matrimonial habits of the indigenous Zambian aristocracy.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 21:29:42 (UTC)


Jill,
You are right! It is quite. Somebody must be up to mischief?

Chisanga,
Pursuant to my ramblings about King MaSwati's 10th wife a Lady has enquired about women being allowed several husbands. I get the uncomfortable feeling that she wants one in the kitchen, one in the laundry and one cleaning the house, rather than 3 in the bedroom.

I am under the impression that certain tribes in Zambia are matriarchal, maybe the Lamba and the Lala, and they have female Chiefs who can have several husbands. Is there any truth in this?

Cheers - Doug

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Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 19:26:30 (UTC)



Let's Smile a little.

"It is hard to understand how a cemetery raised its burial cost
and blamed it on the cost of living."
---------------

A murderer, sitting in the electric chair, was about to be
executed. "Have you any last requests? asked the Warden
'Yes," replied the murderer. "Will you hold my hand.

Jill send some of that hot weather over here.
Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 19:23:07 (UTC)


Hi Everyone!

Very quiet on the board, maybe it's the heat here in SA.
Going tomorrow to Punda Maria area to watch the solar eclipse on Wednesday, so only try to contact me on Friday when I get back.

Missed the eclipse in Zambia last time, so hope to catch this one - should be okay, South Africa seems to gripped in a hot dry season, so I doubt if there will be cloud to hide the eclipse.

Keep well all,

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 17:33:18 (UTC)


People (especially those living in Zambia). I have to get a copy of my driver's license, which was issued in Chingola in February 1969. Who can I contact for this? (Any ideas Heather?)


Spotlight KidClick here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, December 02, 2002 at 11:10:11 (UTC)


After the England performance in Aus they would probably loose against the BLIND champions eh!

ScarscalpClick here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 19:59:34 (UTC)


Howzat
I'm second too! Wassup? I know the Americans are still recovering from thanksgiving but what's everyone elses excuse. It's the first time I have ever devirginated a new months board!

Douggie,
Don't encourage Johnny; he still on a rampage about the rugby, while we are trying to hide under the leaves.

Did you know that the South Africans were last year's world champs at blind cricket? I kid you not! This years championships are just about to start. Apparently they bowl underarm and the hollow ball is made hard plastic filled with ball bearings so the batsman can hear it coming. The batsmen have sighted companions to do the running for them otherwise who knows where they might end up?

I read an American boy scout has been expelled because he doesn't believe in God. Religious fanaticism? Here in RSA the extreme right has bombed the bridge between Natal & Transkei. Two out of 3 bombs went off and there is a chance that the bridge can be repaired, but it has been closed to vehicular traffic. Afrikaaner friends inform me that apparently the extreme right is not only motivated by politics but by religion. They have threatened to blow up businesses & sports opening on Sunday. This won't get them much support. Shades of the Ayatolla! I respect all peoples right to their own beliefs but this sort of nonsense we don't need.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 15:02:23 (UTC)


I'm first!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 01, 2002 at 11:49:10 (UTC)


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