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Heather you TOTAL BABE!!! You DID IT!!!! Wild Flame Lilies. Now it's a FABULOUS 2003.
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 23:57:00 (UTC)
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Gill - 24 hours later I am still laughing your tale about getting rid of unwanted lingere was hillarious, stuck in my mind are bushes donned with lingere, did you make up this story or is it fact. Happy New Year Love and Hugs Irene
Irene White (née Barnard) — Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 13:39:50 (UTC)
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2003
TO CRAIG, ARTHUR , DAVE, AND HEATHER, AND ALL THE WONDERFUL COLOURFUL TRAVELLERS ON THE GREAT NORTH ROAD.......A HAPPY AND SAFE 2003 FOR ALL OF YOU......
much love From Ali , Alice , Jade and Leah....
Heather,
Thanks for the new years gift, what a wonderful sight to see them growing in the wild...I forgot to plant my flame lily tubers out until late, they are coming along nicely though...
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 12:40:48 (UTC)
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Further to my posting yesterday about Nigerian scams, this site shows how they work and what how to recognise them
www.419fraud.com
Heather
Beautiful photograph. Thanks you for the new year present.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 11:32:53 (UTC)
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Northerners
A New Year's gift for you
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 10:41:55 (UTC)
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My dear Heather you should not play around with poisonous snakes what would we do without you if one decided to give you a little bite you say yourself that there strike is very fast so you boss up, I took the liberty of copying a passage of your informative discourse on your snake because I was a little disapointed that you added a little rider referring to my snake in the middle of the sentence but dissapointedly not at the end of it, but I have rectified it my self so our readers are fully aware of all the facts I will add my correction in italics where you should have done,
Because puffadders are slow moving (probably a bit like your snake), it is possible to catch them fairly easily but always with a great deal of care, because when they strike, they are very fast JUST LIKE YOUR SNAKE. LoveJohnny. -----------------------------
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 09:49:35 (UTC)
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What is it about Mufulira girls and unwanted items of lingerie? My Mum, truth be known, was a bit of a hoarder. Matters came to a head one day when I opened up a couple of drawers and found objects of "apparel" from our school days, with the neat little identification tags still sewn into them. I alerted Les, my sis, and we devised a cunning plan. Throw them in the garbage? No, much too simple, instead we found a cardboard box and loaded the offending items into it, leapt into the car and sped off with one aim in mind, to rid ourselves permanently of this scourge.
Instead of driving miles out into the bush to bury them, we came up with a brainwave - there was an area of scrubland at the end of Wellington Drive (Kambulanga) just before the turnoff to the Ndola Road, perfect, we could dispose of them out there and nobody would ever know. By this time we were gleefully caught up in the act and perhaps thinking somewhat irrationally and, after climbing over the drainage ditch, only took a few steps before we were slinging the offending articles every which way. It took us a couple of minutes to realize that cotton and bri-nylon does not travel well when thrown!! The offending garments were beautifully displayed on bushes, shrubs, elephant grass and the like. What did we do? Ran like Hell back to the car and zoomed off before anyone drove past and recognized us.
The moral to this story? If any budding botanist finds a new species of plant in Mufulira, just opposite Eastleigh, look closely, it is probably already carrying a linen name tag.
Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 17:08:42 (UTC)
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To the GNR "Executive," all the regular contributors, the lurkers (and I include myself for the most part), and my friends in Ndola, UK, RSA and Oz, a happy new year, and we'll do the toast thing at all our respective midnights, so I should be in good shape by the time mine comes around in the States.
Robert Summers — Click here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 14:00:47 (UTC)
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Hi Carole
It sounds like another scam to me I'm afraid. I have had countless letters just like this one. Please, anybody who reads this, don't fall for it. Many people in the UK have lost a lot of money this way. If you want to know how, type nigerian scam into Google. Just because the guy is purports to be a white Zimbabwean refugee doesn't mean it's any less of a scam than the Nigerian ones. I have had letters from many other countries too. If you want to give money to assist Zimbabwean refugees there are far more reliable ways to do it, for example www.zimbabwefarmerstrustfund.co.uk which is a genuine charity based in Scotland.
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed Christmas and have a wonderful New Year.
Fiona
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 13:27:46 (UTC)
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Hello All
I hope you all had a very merry Christmas and are looking forward to the New Year. Baz (my husband) and I went out with my Dad on Christmas Eve to his local Working Men's pub and they both had a bit too much to drink! As a result, our Christmas lunch was a bit subdued, but I enjoyed it. I think I have put on another stone in weight!!
For anyone who remembers my Dad - John Bruce - he is still going strong at 72 and we often reminisce about our days in Kitwe. He seems to be at his happiest when recounting stories of how he used to go to diggers after work on a Saturday, and then drinking all afternoon and letting the car do the driving home down Central Street!! I can remember him coming home after several Masons meetings absolutely sozzled and rolling around the grass with the dogs at 1am in the morning while in his best navy blue suit. My mom always used to go ballistic with him, but he never learnt!!
On a more serious note, my boss has recently received the following email which I have pasted in its entirety (apologies if any of you have already seen this but I have not seen any messages concerning this). If it is one of these scamm type messages, I am sure it will touch a raw nerve in all of us. Dawie - have you heard of this chap at all?
On a lighter note:
Happy New Year to you all.
Carole
----- Original Message -----
From: "smith douglas"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED
URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED
ATTN:
You may be surprise to receive this Email from me since you do not know me
personally. However, I would like to introduce myself, I am Mr.Douglas Smith
Jr, the son of Dr.Stephen Smith who was murdered few months ago in Zimbabwe
as a result of land dispute,Before the death of my father (Dr. Smith), he
had taken me to AMSTERDAM to deposit the sum of Ten Million United States
dollars(US$10.000,000) in a security company, as he foresaw the looming
danger in Zimbabwe.
The money in question was deposited in a box as Gemstones to avoid much
demurrage from the security company. The proposed amount was meant for the
purchase of new machines and chemicals for the farms and establishment of
new farms on Swaziland. As you may be aware this
land problem came into force when Zimbabwe president Mr. Robert Mugabe
Introduced the Land Reformed Act of which my father rich farmers and some
black farmers where affected.This resulted to the killing and Mob action by
Zimbabwe war veterans and some lunatics in the society, infact, a lot of
people were killed because of this Land Reformed act of which my dad was one
of the victims.
It is against this background that my family and Iwho are currently staying
in Amsterdam decided to transfer my father's money to a foreign
account. Since the Dutch law prohibit a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any
account or be involved in any financial transaction. As the eldest son of my
father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign
account where the money could be transferred . I am
faced with the dilemma of investing this amount of money in Holland for the
fear of going through the same experience in future since both countries
have similar history. Moreover, The Netherlands foreign exchange policy does
not allow such investment from asylum seekers. As a
businessman, whom I have entrusted my future and my family in his hands, ! I
must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to
assist me and my family, all I need you to do for me is to make arrangement
and come to AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS, so that we can open the non-resident
account which will aid us in transferring the
money into any account you will nominate overseas.This money I intend using
for investment. I have options to offer you, first you can choose to have
certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for the
transaction, or you can go into partnership for a proper profitable
investment of the money in your country. Which ever option you choose,
feel free to notify me. I have mapped out 5% of this money for all expenses
incurred in processing the transaction. If for some reasons you do not
prefer a partnership, I am willing to give you 25% of the money while the
remaining 70% that is meant for me, will be for the investment in your
country.
Please, contact me with this Email:douglas_sm2000@yahoo.com/my telephone
number +31-623-622-453. Provide me with your telephone number so we can
discuss further and a chance for you to ask me any question you may have in
mind, while you maintain the absolute secrecy
required in the transaction.i will give you my telephone number if
necesary.please kindly get back to me with your detail contacts.
Yours faithfully,
MR.DOUGLAS SMITH JR.
Carole Evans (née Bruce) — Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 12:31:46 (UTC)
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Johnny - thanks for letting me know you are not dirty or old and that you shower every day, amazing what you learn on the board about people you have never met, I do hope you are not offended by my remarks I am sure you arnt as I read the board postings regularly and so enjoy the banter that goes back and forth. I am in Ontario and Craig in British Columbia so we are actually quite far from each other, phew perhaps just as well otherwise it would be the 11th bottle of Captain Morgan. Claire and I have had a great time, all my siblings still live in SA so its been great to have her stay, nothing like ones own flesh and blood to warm the cockles of the heart at Christmas time, all good things come to an end though on Friday Claire jets back to SA and with the exchange rate as it is who knows when next I shall see her again. Pommies well I am married to one, I think perhaps the best one that England produced, used to visit the UK lots and Lots when we lived in SA havent been for about 10 years though, have lots of family (my hubby's) and friends there, speak to them regularly on the phone. The only thing I really miss about SA is the sea and of course my family, I never miss Zambia as my memories of Muf are still with me such a happy childhood we had without a care in the world. Anyway must go I dont often post messages and I have posted two in the last day or so, I do read the board every day. Tomorrow New Years Eve hope all on the board have a super time we are having a huge family party at our son's place Love and Hugs Irene
Irene White (née Barnard) — Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 11:49:17 (UTC)
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Johnny
I was not taking the mickey out of you. We did catch it, by scooping it into a box with a badza (hoe) and quickly putting the lid on the box. Below is the photo of it in the box.
Because puffadders are slow moving (probably a bit like your snake), it is possible to catch them fairly easily but always with a great deal of care, because when they strike, they are very fast.
The puffadder accounts for most snake-bite incidents in Zambia and if these bites are not treated, they are fatal. The toxin is cytotoxic and affects both the tissue and the blood. The flesh around the bite decomposes and leaves a horrible mess, which does eventually heal, usually after many months. I don't know what the hospitals use for treating bites. With our dogs, we inject them with cortizone and that seems to work.
We often catch puffadders. A couple of years ago, we caught one which we kept in a fish tank for about two months before we took it to the reptile park (we always take them there because we know that they won't be killed) We fed it a small frog about once every two weeks and one afternoon I was able to sit and watch it creeping up to the frog, striking and then following the frog and when it was cornered, swallowing it. The whole procedure took about 45 minutes and was absolutely fascinating, although I felt really sorry for the frog. In the wild, they do not corner their prey. After biting, they follow their prey until it dies, using their tongue to smell where it had gone.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 09:26:04 (UTC)
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Dear Irene I object to the dirty old man part of your reply to me I only remarked on what I thought you were stoking your sister up on, what else was I to think with a statement that your sister was really enjoying the white stuff, she must be a little strange as if it had snowed three foot deep in SA where she lives she would have been cursing it like we do here in pommie land, I did not mention that you and your sister used to stand at the end of your drive way selling your diry knickers to any wandering umphasi for a sou sou, did Gill Main used to do that as well? it would not suprise me, you say that you and sis are going to the shop for another bottle of rum this will be your 10th in as many days it must be really cold there are you any where near that other alchi Craig? well my girls enjoy yourselves but no more of the DIRTY old /young man I shower every day Happy New Year To You And All Your Family Johnny.xx one each.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 06:02:11 (UTC)
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OH! JOHNY OH! you dirty old/young man YOU!!! well the white stuff (SNOW!!!!!) has almost GONE, yes Southern Ontario Canada is yet again in the throws of a mild winter, not so, in the Maritimes (Atlantic Canada - for those who do not have a map) TEEEEEE HEEEEE! is knee deep, snow shovel sales are at a peak, gosh I do so remember that at this time of the year in Mufulira, mango sales at the end of each and every house in Herrick Avenue, Mufulira, was at a peak, Boxing Day sales of clothing as such mundane items do not have a patch on what we used to sell at the end of our driveway, (much to my fathers disgust) he used to say to my mother (my father that is) how can you let our kids (brats) sell things at the end of the drive, mom's reply = they enjoy it - dad's reply = they just cannot sell themselves at the end of the driveway, HILLARIOUS to say the least!!!!! I just love exclamation marks gives one a chance to read between the lines without being TOTALLY AND UTTERLY disgusting!!!!!! there we have it.
Well tomorrow Claire and I are most definately off to the liquor store to buy that other bottle of Rum
HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all - Lots of Love and kisses Irene and CLAIRE
Irene White (née Barnard) — Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 30, 2002 at 02:23:41 (UTC)
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A slight difference in cultures.
. What's the difference between an English actuary and a
Sicilian actuary.
A. An English actuary can tell you how many people are going to die next year.
A Sicilian actuary can give you their names.
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A Happy New Year To Every One Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 21:19:43 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to all.
Does anyone have any idea of the whereabouts of Paddy McArdle, he was at Nchanga in the late fifties early sixties?
Robert Huntley — Click here to contact me
Carmel, California, United States
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 20:21:01 (UTC)
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Heather you were taking the mickey out of me with your snake but it has taken Graham and Fiona Wall to put me right and god only knows where they are now but thanks any way, Craig seems to think that the one I look after is dangerous, it is very docile at this time of year and I was beginning to wonder if he would pick up a little and one of my friends advised me to give him a tonic he did write the name of it out for me I canot remember what it was now but I think it began with vi I will have to give him some when I get round to it, remind me to let you know if it transformed him a little or not, Regards to all Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 20:20:50 (UTC)
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Hello to all on the GNR,
Many thanks to those of you who e-mailed me or left messages of condolences for my father. As we have been slowly clearing out his house we have come across a large case of old photographs - many of them from Mufulira in the 50's, 60's and 70's! Neiles is sorting through them and we will post some on the site in the new year.
I hope you all had a good Christmas and wish you all a very happy and healthy New Year.
GILLYB - get out there and party!! (and thanks for the phone call)
Thanks to Craig et al... for the great job they do - of all the sites I visit this is by far the best, not only because of the content matter but also because it is so well put together and run brilliantly.
Love
Bridget
Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 18:55:06 (UTC)
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To all GNR Members we wish you all the best for the Season and a Fantastic 2003. A special Thanks to Craig for all his hard work. We are avid readers of the GNR and enjoy all the pictures and stories.
Lynne and Kit Hopkinson (nee Harris)
Lynne Hopkinson (née Harris, formerly de Lange) — Click here to contact me
Kaleden, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 18:25:58 (UTC)
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Only yours is Johnny.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 17:14:22 (UTC)
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No one has bothered to tell me if Puff Adders are dangerous or not? Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 16:02:48 (UTC)
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Norman Kenward
Welcome to the GNR board. I remember you well with your E-type Jaguar. Somebody was asking about you on the board many months back. I bought my first binoculars from you and it was the best that I have ever had.
Please post any stories you have about the old days in Muf, and about what you are doing now. There are quite a few ex Muf people on this site.
Cheer - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 10:05:26 (UTC)
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Dear Irene in the early part of your last message you said your sister Claire was really enjoying the white stuff! and I thought hello hello I didn't think you were so open about it in Canuck land but on reading down a little I realised what you were alluding to, hope the pair of you enjoy your selves Johnny.
A little advice on how to enjoy youselves,
Ladies....it is okay to wait for the right man to come along but
in the meantime have some fun with the wrong ones.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 29, 2002 at 08:27:01 (UTC)
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To all on the GNR - hope you all had a safe and happy Christmas and wish for all of you a safe and really good 2003. I have my sister Claire visiting from Port Elizabeth SA for Christmas and New Year, its great and she is really enjoying the white stuff, the cold weather has its advantages, a darn good reason to fill our glasses as soon as it gets dark, we are almost too embarrassed to go to the liquor store for that other bottle of Captain Morgan, the first bottle didnt go very far, we then bought a bottle of Vodka and Galliano well you cant have just one Harvey Wallbanger you have to have two so the Vodka didnt last either. We spent this afternoon building a snowman great fun. Nice to see your posting Norman Kenwood I remember you taking the pics for my sister Diana's wedding, seems like yesterday. Well folks Love and Hugs to each and every one of you = Irene
Irene White (née Barnard) — Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 22:04:57 (UTC)
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JUST A BRIEF VISIT NOTE!
Wishing all friends and a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year.
Gary, Natasha & Scott.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 20:01:15 (UTC)
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Northeners...
When I got to be around 35 years old I finally got wise about my finances and credit cards.... Today at 56 I am almost mortgage free, semi retired - only working to travel and buy that red Corvette I have always wanted.....
This site has all kinds of financial calculators you can play with. My favourites are #10 where you can play around with different monthly payments or interest rates and see how much of a difference it makes. Also, #5 where you can calculate how much money you can save by just bringing in your own lunch into work a few days a week.
http://www.reidtax.com/calculators.html
(Sorry, you'll have to cut and paste...)
Have fun...
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 17:31:59 (UTC)
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This may be of interest to the learning fraternity some one called Ant contacted me through the gnr system and asked me to Please inform our readers to contact them for further info.
Hi,
We are from Zimbabwe and have started a company making Biltong Home Kits. Could you pass this info on to any South Africans and Zimbabweans in the UK that you know so we can cut the cost of our favourite snack. www.biltongfactory.com
Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 04:52:36 (UTC)
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This is a true story.
You know you're getting old when you are forced to choose between
two evils and go for the one that lets you sit down the soonest.
Regards Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 20:58:46 (UTC)
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To all fellow members of the G.N.R. I would like to take this opportunity in wishing each and everyone of you a very Healthy, Peaceful and Prosperous NEW YEAR!
I admit to being an avid reader of the MESSAGE BOARD, and do recognise many of the names/authors etc. Keep up the good work. Hopefully, I will be able to contribute in the not too distant future.
Best Wishes to All. Norman Kenward formerly of Mufulira
Main Street(Buteko St.) Photographer
Norman Kenward — Click here to contact me
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 20:39:05 (UTC)
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Ali,
You really must learn that advocaat ends in a T, not an A !!!!
Hope everyone had a fab Christmas. Please all think of me at work while you're all out enjoying New Year (boo hoo).
Neil.
Neil Smith — Click here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 20:23:55 (UTC)
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Heather arn't they poisonous? I was never very well up on my snakes.
love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 18:56:07 (UTC)
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I have just heard over the news that a player was killed today when lightning struck a football match in South Africa. A few years ago lightning hit a youngster on a school rugby field in Vryheid. He was knocked unconcious but survived partly paralyzed.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 17:19:44 (UTC)
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Craig
Thanks a ton - sounds logical. Have a fab New Year.
Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:39:10 (UTC)
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Nico
how did you guess I am the worlds number one fan of that wonderful drink begining with A and ending with A.
thanks
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:20:10 (UTC)
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HI ALL
A huge hug and kiss for those who have been so wonderful in helping me get through a very difficult week.....
love you guys to bits.......that is what this GNR family is all about, love Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 13:15:43 (UTC)
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I've just spent the last hour having a chat with Geoff Gogle. He hasn't changed since I last saw him.
Good to see you again Geoff and hopefully Norma and I will be able to get together before you leave.
Johnny
A puffadder. That was why I caught it, I wouldn't try catching any other type of snake.
With the rains, we have a lot of snakes around, trying to get away from the rain I suppose. Last week I had what I think was a black mamba in the house but it was only small, about six inches long and my cats got to it before I could save it. The day before that my staff killed another baby outside. I assume there is a nest outside somewhere.
And of course, at this time of the year all the other bugs and plants are very much in evidence - chongololos, flying ants, glow worms, Christmas beetles, flame lilies.
When Cookie and Teresa Brassington were here in November, we drove down to Siavonga for the day. I was to meet them at the Turnpike and while I was waiting for them, I could hear the sound of the Christmas beetles. But what I hadn't known before was that the sound would start and continue for a few minutes and then all would go silent and then a few minutes later, it would start again. As we were driving along, we could also hear the beetles and then they would stop until a little further on when we would hear them again. We did stop to record the sound on a digital recorder, but there is too much background noise. Next time I think I shall have to go clambering through the bush to get a good recording.
Barry Woodrow
Have you tried those shrimp with Chibuku or Kachasu? It will enhance the flavour considerably.
Enjoy your holiday.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:28:30 (UTC)
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Elaine,
I think it has to do with the 12 days of Christmas, and apparently it's unlucky to have your tree and/or decorations up past the 12th day (or so the old-wive's tale goes).
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 10:39:55 (UTC)
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Kenneth Miller
Thanks a ton for the beautiful tale of "Christmas Past". You bought back some wonderful memories - if I remember correctly, Father Christmas arrived at the Kasama Club in a Landrover???? The first part about the tree had me smiling as the memories came back - the little clip-on candle holders; the special battered star for the top; and the baubles that came out with David Livingstone (I swear they were that old)!!! After Christmas - exactly 12 days (for what reason I do not know) everything would be lovingly re-packed and put away for the next year.
I do hope that you have had a superb Christmas and all the best for 2003.
Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 08:57:12 (UTC)
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Heather What species was your guest a baby python? Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 27, 2002 at 06:55:13 (UTC)
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Heather,
Your uninvited guest is really beautiful! Hope he slithered off happily!
Jill
PS Going to the seaside for a week - so Northerners -
Have a Great New Year's Celebration!
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 19:39:57 (UTC)
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Northerners
A picture of an uninvited visitor, but who was nevertheless invited in, spent the night in the spare room and the next morning I gave him a lift to where I knew I would find some of his own kind and where he is now safe.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 09:58:16 (UTC)
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I liked this one I hope you smile.
The average man's life consists of twenty years of having his mother ask him where he is going; forty years of having his wife ask the same question; and at the end, the mourners wondering too!
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 21:31:50 (UTC)
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My dear Alix you may have been right about us being joined but all the minerals in the ground where you are were the results of what we used to send to the tips as discards as we used to mine copper rated at 95%pure and we used to send any under 50% to the dumps which I suppose nowisAustralia but not to worry about it it was a long time ago Love to you Johnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:21:08 (UTC)
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Hi to All of You,
Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2003.
Had a brilliant day with the family, opened presents, cooked Christmas lunch, ate had a sleep and now talking to you all.
I am finally working after a two and a half year early retirement, it was great while it lasted, just looked after my Mom and Dad and played golf just about every day. I haven't played in seven weeks, yeah busy working. I am working for the Sunshine Tour (PGA Tour), and also caddy for Sean Pappas, so who knows I might get back to Zambia next year, not to play golf but to caddy in the Zambia Open.
My Mom is 100 % well, she was given the all clear again on Monday, so she is full of beans (it is great to see), just two years ago she got out of hospital and was nearly a goner - but she is a strong old bird and has lots of faith.
Dad is doing well, turned 70 this year, he still plays a lot of golf, but slowly losing his eyesight and memory, very sad to see.
Gavin is well, he is still working at Rooderport Country Club, has been there for 11 years now. So if you ever get to Jo'Burg and want a round of golf go to Rooderport - good rates for NR's and Zambians.
Anyway have a fantastic festive season, wish I was still up there, 'cause where I live (you just don't wanna know)
See ya
Lindsay Cummings
Lindsay Cummings — Click here to contact me
Orkney, South Africa
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 18:17:09 (UTC)
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FREE SAUNA !!!!!!
Hi all Northerners,
I just like to say hope everyone is having a wonderful time, eating plenty, and of course cheering plenty ( I forgot to buy the Amarula so not all that cheery here :( )
though a lot of water is being drunk, as it is very HUMID , near on oppressive.....so we would like to give this wonderful sauna away....how about you guys in the winter north, Artie ? Craig ? Peter D ? oh well....at least one thing we are getting the thunder and lightening shows, I was told just recently that Zambia has one of the highest incidences of lightening strikes because of the copper in the ground.....W.A. has a lot too. maybe there is a little in the truth that Africa and Australia were joined as one....???, as we have our fair share of minerals in the ground as well.!!!
oh well I am going to try and get some well needed sleep.....or .......maybe another night in the tropics for us ??
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 15:08:39 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
Just a quick note to all of you (sleepers and all) to wish you and your family a very merry Christmas, and all the best for a prosperous New Year.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 12:52:40 (UTC)
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Message posted on behalf of Susan Karalis:
A happy Christmas to everyone on the GNR.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 12:13:45 (UTC)
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Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
The turkey is in the oven, Father Christmas has been and there are a pile of presents under the tree BUT my two children (Vicky and Ross)are still in bed sleeping off their Christmas Eve (and well into Christmas Day) celebrations!!!! I will have to start playing the Christmas CD in a moment on full volume to wake them up!!!!
Hope you all have a brilliant day
Love to you and your families
Diane xxxxx
Diane Sewley (née Longman) — Click here to contact me
Bristol, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 09:26:11 (UTC)
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Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas and a Wonderful New Year
With special thanks to Craig, Arthur, Heather and Dave for all your work in running the GNR.
And - on a non-germane note - for Dave and Heather - the Gulf shrimp here is just as good as the Mozambique prawns !!
On vacation in Fort Myers, Florida ....
Barry Woodrow — Click here to contact me
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 22:07:02 (UTC)
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A peaceful and blessed Christmas to all my friends, old and new.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 21:25:51 (UTC)
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Northerners,
Wishing you all a wonderful Christmas and a peaceful and happy 2003.
We look forward to meeting you all at the Livingstone Lark -coming soon to a World Wonder Site near You!
Lots of love and good wishes from,
Jill, Otto, Kai and Tristan
PS - Special good wishes to all those who make this wonderful site possible - bottoms up!
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 20:38:44 (UTC)
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Northeners...
Wishing you all a very .Mmerry Christmas and a prosperous 2003!!!!!!
Expecting snow tomorrow, yeah....
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 17:46:40 (UTC)
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Oh Craigy
Forgot to say - Thank you for rescinding the Code of Misconduct. You are always thinking of this site and how to make it better and worrying too much about this motley group. THANKS! You are a STAR!
Oh and Sarky, Dawie and Heather aren't too bad either!!!
;-)))))
Love you all!
Tina
now going into silent mode for a bit
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:49:45 (UTC)
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Johnny - and that tribe the Foo Karwee , always got lost in 9 foot mealies . We'd hear them calling for each other .
Doug
Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:16:42 (UTC)
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Ali informs me it has been Christmas in New Zealand and Fiji for five hours, Sydney and Melbourne for three hours and Perth for a few minutes.
SO JOY TO YOU ALL FROM US AS THE WORLD TURNS TOWARDS CHRISTMAS MORNING. Our hearts are especially with all of you on the old home turf in Zambia.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 16:09:04 (UTC)
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To all my old, new and potential friends on the GNR, may you have a Joyous and Blessed Christmas and may 2003 be all you wish it to be. Drive safely where ever you may be and look after yourselves. Thank you one and all for making the GNR such a great site !
Cheers from sunny and slightly windy Cape Town.
David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:19:38 (UTC)
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Hello and Merry Christmas to you all
I am at work this morning (in the exciting insurance industry) and thought it would be a quiet last day before the holiday, then this man rings for a quotation for insurance at 9.30am (GMT) - you just know that you'll get an awkward one to deal with on your last day with only 3 hours to go.
He is a courier and needs insurance for unlimited Goods In Transit, one night only, worldwide cover. There is no security on the vehicle, but he says that you may get bitten by the power units. He does not require Public Liability Cover and doesn't require Employers Liability either as he is a one man band. Product Liability isn't his problem either because if your Aunt chose those socks or jumper then thats a problem between you and her! The risk is based somewhere between the North Pole and Lapland. The current insurer is not offering renewal. Can I help????
Ho Ho Ho.
Just thought this might make you all laugh wherever you are.
Hope you all enjoy the festivities and don't get too sozzled!! Best wishes for the new year.
Carole
Carole Evans (née Bruce) — Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 09:51:22 (UTC)
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To all of you where ever you be - Happy Christmas and have a wonderful New Year.
If you know of people from Fort Jimmy School in the late 50's or Norfolk House in Bulawayo in the 60's would you ask them to contact me.
Take care - it's nice to amongst friends again.
David Greenslade — Click here to contact me
Brecon, Wales
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:58:08 (UTC)
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Mark and Lizzie
Merry Christmas to you all, thanks for the message, we look forward to getting together in Sunny Wales. Sorry for the the lack of contact, but up to 'eyeballs' with packing and selling up.
Sad to hear about Tony, Dean his son and Keith were firm friends for all the years that we were there, really sad.
Love Fiona and Graham
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:49:34 (UTC)
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Jonny,
Regarding the age of Tony Holt, he was, we are pretty sure 20 years of age when his son Dean was born, Dean would now be 31 years of age, which would put Tony approximately 51 years of age, not absolutely certain, but very close. Very sad for someone to pass away at such a young age.
regards Fiona and Graham
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:44:19 (UTC)
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Graham and I were very sorry to year the sad news of Tony Holts passing. Our condolences to all the Holt family. We fond memories of Tony and Leslie Holt in earlier years when their son Dean and our son Keith were growing up together. Another team member for that great Nchanga team in the sky.
regards Fiona and Graham
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:37:43 (UTC)
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We wish you a very merry Christmas with today being the Swedish Christmas. Gud Jul. On behalf of all the families I would like to thank Arthur,Craig,Dave and Heather for their support and each and every member,reader and lurker for standing by us during our sad time.
It has not been the easiest of times but you all made life just that bit more bearable.
Today, Lotta, Dennis and Nicky share their first Christmas with us without their Dad. We will always have a place set for Ashley and for our many friends that showed such love and support.
Lotta has done a web design course and may be going to the few Kitwe corporates in the New Year to start her new venture.
Dennis has received a quad from his Uncle Nico,(This one will take him fishing thanks to a generous bookie) and Nicky has persevered with her riding and ponies.
Pour a glass of wine and reflect. We all Thank you again.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 05:06:04 (UTC)
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Johnny
I'm sorry but I do not have details other than he was in Zimbabwe at the time. If I hear anything else, I will let you know. Perhaps one of our other members has more information?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:42:28 (UTC)
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Linda bad news indeed how old was Tony he was not that old I remember his dad died young as well about 10 years ago, thanks for telling us.Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:33:06 (UTC)
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Doug much harm can come to young man in a nine foot high mealie patch with his trousers down,some of my friends will know to what I am referring to when they think back to the dreaded spider I sent them of the results of a bite by it, of course there are other dangers to beware of when you have your pants down in nine foot mealies, Shalaneepo Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 03:29:16 (UTC)
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I hope I am not upsetting anyone by taking this liberty, but I wanted to let those people who knew Tony Holt from Chingola that I have just received an email advising me that he passed away suddenly on December 18th.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 21:31:52 (UTC)
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Mutende ba Chisanga
Maybe I should have said many instead of most. It probably arises from the traditional respect of the African people for persons in a position of authority; also from the fact that leaders were viewed as liberation heroes rather than as politicians. There are certainly some brave, even heroic journalists in Zimbabwe at the moment.
In South Africa the government is still enjoying the tail end of the post liberation honeymoon with the media. Sunshine journalism is encouraged and this is not good.
The honeymoon coming to an end and many journalists are taking a more critical line, and treating fat cat politicians as just that.
Shalenipo Mukwai
Nine - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:52:14 (UTC)
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A very happy Christmas to all my GNR friends, old and new. I hope you all have a great one and let's hope for a peaceful new year!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:03:45 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
You are mistaken if you think that "most African journalists" are obsequious when interviewing senior politicians from the continent. I do not get that impression from Zambia's fiery Post newspaper or from the Nigerian dailies.
There certainly was a time when it was "prudent" to be mindful of the great achievements of whichever great leader the journalits was interviewing. Those days, I am happy to say, appear to be over.
I did met Modise when I was observing the 1994 South African election on behalf of the UN. Even then I thought he was quite promising.
A happy holiday season. Joyeaux Noel. Twamuchelela pa Chaka. Mupite Bwino.
Chisanga.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe — Click here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:02:51 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
You are mistaken if you think that "most African journalists" are obsequious when interviewing senior politicians from the continent. I do not get that impression from Zambia's fiery Post newspaper or from the Nigerian dailies.
There certainly was a time when it was "prudent" to be mindful of the great achievements of whichever great leader the journalits was interviewing. Those days, I am happy to say, appear to be over.
I did met Modise when I was observing the 1994 South African election on behalf of the UN. Even then I thought he was quite promising.
A happy holiday season. Joyeaux Noel. Twamuchelela pa Chaka. Mupite Bwino.
Chisanga.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe — Click here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 20:02:49 (UTC)
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SEASONS GREETINGS
Wishing everyone on the "Great North Road" website a very
happy Christmas and healthy and prosperous New Year in
2003.
From Don Heath and family in cold and snowy Canada
Don Heath — Click here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 19:27:38 (UTC)
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I did not know Kevin but I must offer my condolences to his family. Cancer is bad news and it is amazing how much is around nowadays. John Glen died of cancer and my second wife died of cancer so I have had some experience of the suffering it causes. Death is actually a blessing to end the suffering, so for this at least we should be happy.
On a different note; thanks to the jokers among us. Johnny the champion teaser, Fiona with her 'no eyed deer', Tina with her carrot powered horses, Ken Miller with his Reginald Swinton-Jones, Elias, Dougie Waybush and all the rest. Remember laughter is the best medicine.
To the musicians; thanks for tuning us up nicely.
To everybody else may the rain make your mealies grow tall! I have followed Graham scarscalp's advice to, "Gaan kak in die mielies" and mine are nearly 9 foot tall. I should have included him with the jokers.
To Dave, Craig, Arthur, and Heather; thanks for all the hard work you put in to give the rest of us a lot of pleasure.
Geseende Kersfees, Gesegnete Weihnachten, Nginifisela uKhisimuzi omuhle, Aziko drink & drive please, and a Happy Happy to you.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 18:23:01 (UTC)
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Dear Linda what planet will you be on on the 26th?
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 17:49:00 (UTC)
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I wish to convey my condolences to Kevin Masons Family .
Alix Key
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 14:50:07 (UTC)
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Elaine
I have just sent you Lorraine (Cloete) Robbins' email address. I am not sure if it is current. If not, post a message here to Heather Knowles and she can get it for you.
To the Family of Kevin Mason
My deepest sympathy and condolences to you. Graham Boyle, thank you for taking the time to keep me in the picture when you were struggling so much with this yourself.
To the person who needed to speak to me by phone last night
I am available until December 26.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 13:13:33 (UTC)
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Hi to everyone on the GNR Site,
Here's wishing you all a very Merry Xmas and a Prosperous 2003.
While I am writing, does anyone know where I can contact an old friend from Kitwe. Her name is Lorraine Robins (nee Cloete), husband is Dave and I know that she had two daughters (one Kerry-Mae). I know they moved to Bulowayo at some stage (back in early 1980's).
Regards
Elaine Russell (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 12:55:36 (UTC)
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Recent Site Updates:
December 23rd, 2002:- As a Christmas present and a reward to the membership for a fairly successful year on the message board we have rescinded the Code of Conduct. We hope that this change will be accepted in the spirit in which it is intended. Look forward to some changes in the future which should make this an even better environment for all.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 11:58:34 (UTC)
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To all the GNR Members Pierre and myself would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.
Cheers Diana
Diana Fabel (née Jones) — Click here to contact me
Kempton Park, South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 10:06:16 (UTC)
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Jill,
Thanks for letting us know. My condolences to Kevin's family and friends too.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 09:59:32 (UTC)
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I regret to be the one to let you know that Kevin Mason passed away yesterday, 22nd December at 11.10 am, after a long, brave fight against cancer.
My deepest condolenes to Sue and the boys, as well as to Graham, Ray and Dave and all Kevin's many, many good friends.
Keep on rocking in Heaven, Kevin..
Love,
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 07:54:07 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas to you all. Give it stick, Mike.
Mike Wilson — Click here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 07:24:50 (UTC)
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I'm obviously working too hard and need a holiday! That should read Prosperous New Year!
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 03:49:27 (UTC)
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Northeners
Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy & Properous New Year.
Sandra, Shelley, Craig and the Marsh Family
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 03:45:32 (UTC)
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Tina - took me a while to get that . You are too quick by half but I think his problem is more acute - Not Bin Laid in Years ,
Doug
Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Monday, December 23, 2002 at 02:48:21 (UTC)
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Northeners
Lizzie & I would like to wish you all a very merry xmas and a fantastic new year.
Graham & Fiona,
have a safe trip home. We will meet up when you get back to sunny Wales
Cheers
Mark
Mark Powell — Click here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 22:53:54 (UTC)
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Doug G
A canny interviewer can be a gift.
Get that Bin Laden on tranquilizers NOW! Poor wives (even without the firearms). Anyway he will fix the situation before he has to change his name to Not Bin Laden Months.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 16:34:13 (UTC)
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Game View opened 12/10 backed into 6/10
Domino Man opened 15/10 backed into 12/10
Idle Chatter opened 5/10 drifted 6/10
Badgerman opened 15/10 backed to 8/10
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 12:31:11 (UTC)
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Doug Waybush,
We don't get 702 in Vryheid but when I go to Joburg I listen to it. I listen to SAFM which has a talk show from 8.30 to 10.00. I then get up and go to watch Gerry Springer show on TV. Never a dull moment.
The show was started by a brown nosing neo-liberal Pom whose name is not worth remembering. It was then taken over by a chap called Tim Modise who did a good job. I first saw Tim many years ago on TV interviewing President Mandela. I thought it would be the usual boring smaltz, imbongi praise singing slush that most African journalist indulge in when interviewing senior African politicians. I got a suprise! There was Tim banging Madiba with some tough questions. He brought this no-nonsense attitude to his radio show and made a great host. He has suddenly been dropped or resigned for reasons unknown, which is a great loss.
His place has been taken by Dennis 'the Bek'(mouth or beak) Beckett of 'Becketts Trek' TV series fame. Dennis is also doing a good job. The Bek's only problem is he talks more than listens.
Did you hear that bin Ladin has just killed his 4th wife. Apparently she was pulling up her dress, when he saw a Bush, pulled out his gun and shot it.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 10:48:21 (UTC)
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Back in the concrete jungle we call home after a wonderful evening with Linda and her warm loving family in Austin. They bid us a cheery goodbye as they patted us down and removed their silverware from us on our way out.
Then we hitched up the horses to drive back, getting a suitable supply of carrots to hang off the old pole in front of 'em to keep em going. Plenty of the old hand signals on the road all around us as we travelled north. Sad how many people can only count to one or two with their fingers.
Another seasonal party tonight. Watched a bloke in monacle and handlebar mustache chase a giggly horse-faced gel across the lawn by tilly lamp but it happened so fast I might have imagined that. Met an Indian couple from Durbs at this party. Us ex-Africans are everywhere I'm happy to say.
Thank you all for the birthday wishes.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 05:21:19 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar ,
Were you on 702 AM ? I listen to it here in Maryland . Actually the best bits are between 2am and 5am SA time when the crazies call in !!!
702 Radio Live from SA
Best wishes for Christmas and New Year to all the GNR members ; and may the healthy disagreements continue !!!
Doug
Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 22:46:54 (UTC)
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Message from Reggie .....
Dear Miller,
Again I am encountering difficulties accessing the GNR, and must old chap, rely on your gracious good will to forward my Christmas Greetings to one and all.
I am getting more into the Christmas Spirit with each gin and "T" that I pour. The medicinal properties have certainly helped in curtailingmy recurring bouts with malaria.
Last week I played Father Christmas at the local orphanage, my how the children delighted in my red and white costume. I have also noted that Lady Pamala Worthington of Swithens in the Swamp also enjoys it when I
chase her in my jolly Old Elf suit.
As we celebrate the festival of peace, we are certainly facing troubling times in this old world of ours. That scoundral Saddam Insane is a devious chap. The lads that I served with in the Indian Army during W.W.ll, could teach him a thing or two.
Thank God, political correctness has not reached Chinsali, although I believe it may have reached Mpika, and definitly Bwana Makubwa. Who ever heard of calling Christmas the Holiday Season or the Festive Season. I take my holidays in July , are they going to wish me Merry
Christmas then ? How do they intend to change Easter, perhaps they could refer to it as Bunny Day.
My wish for the coming year is that more tolerance be shown on the GNR and that no malicious intent be written. Where have our old friends gone, maybe, just maybe that skalliwag Elias could return.
I will be spending Christmas day with Count Claude de Champignon, as our American friends would say a fun guy, and his lovely wife the Countess Simone who is even more fun especially after a few glasses of bubbly.
The paraffin is getting low in the old tilly lamp, and I have finished my daily bottle of gin so I must bid you adieu.
May you all have a Merry Christmas and your mealie crop flourish in 2003.
Yours in her Britannic Majesty's service in this the year of her Jubillee.
Reginald Swinton-Jones, O.B.E., D.S.O. and Scar, R.S.V.P.
District Commissioner
Chinsali, Northern Rhodesia
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Kenneth (Ken) Miller — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 20:09:30 (UTC)
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BRASSO IS BACK!!!!!!!
Greetings all Northerners. Poota now back from repair and no longer poorly! Sorry I've missed U all. Have had severe GNR withdrawal symptoms too ............ !!!!!!
Belated "Happy Birthday" greetings to all those wonderful people whom I could not communicate directly to this month! Hope U all had wonderful birthdays!
To all GNR's ........
VERY BEST WISHES TO ONE AND ALL FOR A HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY, PROSPEROUS AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR .... NATASHA, SCOTT AND GARY.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 19:15:56 (UTC)
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Bill,
I am glad to hear you are also a loafer like me who lies in bed listening to the morning radio chat show. I didn't think Dennis was a bit short with me, in fact I waffled on a bit. Like most South Africans he gets mixed up between Rhodesia and Northern Rhodesia. I was trying to find the meaning of Mapungubwe from his Venda speaking guest, who unfortunately did not know, but told us quite a funny story about the origins of Vryheid, which is now part of the Abaqulusi municipality. Apparently one Zulu King chased his arrogant sister away from Nongoma and banished her to what is now the Vryheid area. Apparently he told her, "We don't want to see your backside around here again". This is apparently what gave rise to the name Abaqulusi. At least I managed to get in a plug for our website so we may reach a few more lost Northern Rhodesians now living in RSA.
Yep, John Glen! When he was dying of cancer I visited him and we agreed that if and when he reached the other side, if there is another side, he would make every effort to contact me, so that we could scheme some plans. Maybe a bit of import/export, selling plots in heaven etc. You must know the story, where Hitler nearly bribed Jesus to let him into Heaven with the promise of Germany's highest award 'The Iron Cross'. So all things are possible.
Nothing happened until a few months after his death. When I returned back from shopping, my maid informed me I had missed a phone call, but she had written down the chap's name and number. You guessed it! It was John Glen and a long number. This gave me quite a fright because as an atheist I wasn't really expecting any call. With shaking hands I rang the number and it was Tiger, John's son in England. I never knew his name was also John, I only knew him as Tiger from the day he was born. Phew!
Around 1969 John had to make a hurried exit from Zambia as the taxman was sniffing around. It was one of those expatriates, loaned from the UK to jack up the leaky Zambian system. These guys didn't play fair; you couldn't even bribe them. This guy started asking around about the chap who had a fleet of earth moving machinery and trucks building the Great North Road, who had 2 brand new mustangs and a private plane, but who had no record in the Tax office.
John like any true swashbuckling Northern Rhodesian had an allergy to paying any sort of tax, and had never registered with them. He always used to operate on a cash basis but grew to big for that and had to open a bank account to stash some of his loot.
A few days before the Taxman swooped John did a duck to Bulawayo. He managed to leave with, inter alia, his mustangs, his powerboat, 2 landrovers, a Toyota crown custom station wagon, a grand piano, and of course his 4 seater plane (I cannot remember the make, maybe a Piper Apache). He was horrified when he found that the Rhodesians were even worse than the Zambians and expected him to pay import duty on all these items. It took him over a year to work things out but he never paid a cent.
At one stage the Rhodesian director of civil aviation tried to get some info from his Zambian counterpart about a man who was flying a Zambian registered plane on a Congolese flying license. The license was non-existent of course. When asked for it, John told them he had lost it and was awaiting a replacement from the Congo. In the meantime he kept on flying but was quite worried about the Zambians would reply to the DCA. Finally the reply arrived. It stated short and sourly, "We do not deal with Rebel Regimes"! This let John off the hook and he was delightful with this department of the Zambian Government.
On one flight (still on his Congo license) coming back from the Natal south coast (where his folks had retired to Scottsburg) he got caught in a cunim updraft over the Drakensbergs. He was pulled so high that ice was forming on his wings and he thought that he was going to die. Suddenly there was an opening in the storm clouds and he managed to dive out and landed on the nearest bit of level ground, which was a golf course. After enjoying the hospitality of the 19th hole he booked into a hotel for the night before servicing the plane and continuing his journey. After that experience he decided to sell the plane and bought an E-type Jaguar instead, which probably went faster than the plane.
Life is so boring nowadays!
Cheers - Doug
PS - I have just heard that there is a 5 kilometer queue at Biet Bridge so if you were thinking of going to Zims to enjoy Bob's hospitality be prepared for a long wait.
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 18:18:13 (UTC)
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Chris some prices please of the 4 thanks pal Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 17:50:55 (UTC)
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A Christmas past...
In 1963 we lived in Broken Hill. My dad worked in the for RR in the Goods Shed - where all the stuff arrived by rail. Just before Xmas an Afghan puppie arrived all the way from England. When the owner picked it up he said it was a xmas present for his wife. My dad jokingly told him if his wife did not like it....
A few days after xmas the owner bought the puppie in and told my dad his wife hated it and if he would give it a good home he could have it for free.
Pasha had a pedigree three miles long but adjusted to the "workers" Dielissen household instantly (except for a few run ins with the cat who after all was the boss...). He was long haired and finally had to be shaved as the daily blackjack removal took hours... He was the friendliest dog imaginable and loved following all the neighbourhood kids everywhere.
Pasha did get into trouble. He loved to bring home chickens from the neighbour across the greenway. As a bonus he got their little sausage dog pregnant as well. The puppies looked like little piggies with curly tails. Despite all this he lived to the ripe old age of 17 finally succumbing well past his 9th life.
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 17:25:07 (UTC)
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CHRISTMAS PAST......
As a young boy growing up in Kasama during the early 1950s, I have wonderful memories of Christmas.
A week before, Dad would bring home some form of evergreen Christmas tree. As a tree they never did appear very handsome, however once bedecked and ladden with ornaments they were transformed into things of beauty. We had no electricity so small candles were carefully placed on the branches. Mum would then gently unwrap the tissue paper protecting the battered tinsel star with its string of bells, and then Dad placed it at the top of the tree. Now everything was complete. The star had shone brightly from Dad's Christmas trees when he was a wee lad growing up in Scotland.
The lounge was decorated with multicoloured paper chains that stretched from the centre of the room to the corners. A cluster of large honeycomed red and green paper bells were placed where the paper chains met in the middle of the room.
Christmas mail from "Home" started to arrive towards the end of November, having made the trip from Britain by a Union Castle liner to Capetown, then by rail to Broken Hill and finally by lorry along the dusty red Great North Road to Kasama. The Christmas cards were placed on the large mantle over the fireplace, while large brown paper parcels were quickly whisked away to some secret hiding place.
On the Saturday before Christmas, the Kasama Club held an annual children's Christmas Party. Tables creaked from the mountain of sandwhichs and baked goodies and gallons of Oris was consumed by the children while the Mums and Dads enjoyed Christmas Spirit of a higher octane. Games were played and Festive songs and Carols sang.
The highlight was without a doubt the spectacular entrance when Father Christmas dressed all in red with white trim and his flowing white beard, burst in to the ballroom carry a large sack of presents. Sitting on his throne, one by one he called out our names. After a brief consultation as to our behaviour he would cheerfully give us a gift. Was this Jolly Old Elf, who tended to have a Glaswegian accent not unlike Uncle Johnny really Father Christmas ?
At school Mrs Edwards had rehearsed us all for the Christmas Pageant. Proud parents came to watch us all as we sang and acted out the coming of Christ. I never got to be Joseph or one of the Three Wise Guys, and invariably would be relageted to play a sheperd.
Just before going to bed on Christmas Eve, oh! how I tried to be good at least for one day, Dad would carefully light the candles on the tree. The dancing orangey flickering flames filled the room with magical light as the flames reflected off the red, green and blue metallic balls. My stocking was securely placed on the mantle and then of to bed. Going to sleep was so hard ..... questions raced through my head ..... having convinced myself that I meet the behaviour criteria, I was confident Father Christmas would indeed visit me .
On Christmas Day just as the early morning light streamed through my bedroom window, I would leap out of bed and rush to the lounge .... YES!..... Father Christmas had come, there at the base of the tree were a mountain of gifts wrapped in an eclectic assortment of wrapping paper and bright red ribbon. A quick glance towards the mantle confirmed that my stocking had been filled to overflowing.
Ah! the temptation to start opening the presents. A small voice suggested that perhaps I should wake up good old Mum and Dad. Having aroused the household, the three of us still in our pajamas and dressing gowns sat around the Christmas Tree to open the presents.
I recall receiving books of my favourite comics,the "Beano"
the "Dandy", "Oor Wullie" and the "Boys Own Annual". Dinky toys that I always wanted, and my very first Meccano
Set. There were always the clothing items that some old auntie in Scotland would have sent, and Mum would remind me that it was the thought that counts.
After a hearty breakfast and giving John the cook and Timothy our houseboy ( or to be politically correct our domestic engineer ) presents for themselves and their families, we would go to the small interdenominational chuch to celebrate Christmas, while our Roman Catholic friends attended the chapel at the White Fathers residence.
As turkeys were unavailable, one of our many chickens paid the final sacrifice for our Christmas lunch which always ended with a traditional trifle made by Mum.The sharp crack of crackers filled the room and we all dutifully wore the the paper crowns.
In the early afternoon as I would be playing with my new toys, Mum reading and Dad catching forty winks the sound of African drums, whistles and singing would periodically break the silence. There in the front yard, small groups of Africans, many in tribal dress would entertain us. When their musical interlude was over the leader of the group would approach and ask for a " Klismas Boxy". After receiving a few shillings they would merrily continue onto the next house.
Yes,at 56,I still believe in Father Christmas, even if he is represented by Uncle Johnny and others.By listening and acting on the true meaning of Christmas, that of peace and goodwill to all, let us all try and leave a better world for our children and grandchildren.
Melly Klismas
Kenneth (Ken) Miller — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 16:01:19 (UTC)
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Game View and Domino Man please the public with good wins. The other two fill the placings.I got the fishing trip money to go to Itezi Tezi.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 15:56:53 (UTC)
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Hello Johnny
It was lovely seeing Tina and meeting Ted. He is a huge cuddly Teddy Bear, although I did not get the pleasure of a cuddle. My kids fell in love with Tina instantly, and I don't know if she could hear the "She's a very nice lady" comment from one of them as we closed the door. My son Chris cannot see her as a helicopter pilot. Too refined.. I should have told him about Tina at Fiona's house when she got into the South African wine. 'Nuff said! he! he!
We live about 4 hours apart in Texas. About 200 miles on horseback. Your comment about never seeing a cowboy movie where they made hand signals on horses really hit me funny. I could not stop laughing at the image, especially since a cowboy in Texas could ride for a day without seeing anyone else around. A bit of a wasted signal. It seems the modern day cowboys in their BMWs must all be going the same way as they only use the one-fingered signal.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 14:48:59 (UTC)
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Linda did they bring there own mealie meal, and check your silverware before they leave, and as regards going out on the town the pair of you be careful I believe they have some very strict laws there, as a matter of interest how far apart do you live? have a happy time love to you both Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 10:35:35 (UTC)
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Todays treble is
Turfontein race 5 - Game View
Turfontein race 7 - Domino Man
Turfontein race 9 - Badgerman
Glen Kotzen fancies his horse in the first in Cape Town
Race 1 13.05 kenilworth - Idle Chatter
The four way all to come and doubles and trebles may give good returns.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 09:34:30 (UTC)
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To All These Mwanas on This GNR Place
UH! You cannot beleaf your hears! Ms. Tina is to my kaya!
This Bubbas Man is here futti.
Howdy y'all. I kindaly couldn't fergit Ms. Mahteetee an so I mosied by tuh take her out fur a Texas Two Step. Man I may never recover but whut a way tuh go!!!!!!!!
Hey All! Tina and Linda are together. Bad news!!!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 02:41:51 (UTC)
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PETER D IS A ROMANTIC!!!
That is what I get from his lovely story about romance in the snow and coolth. May you and yours have many more and keep it up, Peter!
That gets more relevant as the years go by, I find.
Gotta keep the union strong.
Yvette and I got married in the snow here in Haywood,Manitoba, from whence I log in tonight. Cold and snow make a snuggly bed more welcome, tho' one doesnt need that when newly married. It still evokes memories and smiles when we recall getting lost in a snowstorm on the way into Winnipeg after the reception. Finally found ourselves going round the ring road of the city, which, being named for Yvette's g.g.g.g'mothers side, did nothing to help us find our hotel.
All ended up OK and 33 years later it still reverberates when we are here for Christmas.
Winter solstice in a day or so and then the days begin lenthening so thats the boring thing I say to Yvette each year. Like a tradition. Or evidence of advancing senility, Im not sure.
All the best wishes Craig and Arthur and Madam Lusaka and all who help here.
Bil;l
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 02:10:41 (UTC)
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Dear Texas Tina many happy returns of the day and give it hell love Johnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 19:57:52 (UTC)
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Northerners....
A REAL northern Xmas story...
So there I was, my first Xmas in the Yukon - minus 35C but very bright and clear.
My girlfriend (and now wife) and I decided to spend Xmas eve at the cabin by the (frozen) lake. Being the NR gentleman I am (ahem) I volunteered to drive up a few hours early and get the fire going in the cabin so that by the time my girlfriend drove up it would be nice and cozy.
It was a real northern night. Gorgeous multi coloured northern lights dancing in the sky and a gazillion stars behind them. I am not sure what came over me (Northern Rhodesian craziness????) but I decided to drag the four poster brass bed to the lake shore. I placed a blanket on the mattress followed by an electric blanket, bottom fitted flannelette sheet, top flannelette sheet, another electric blanket followed by another pile of regular blankets and a down filled duvet. I ran the electric lawnmower cord from the cabin to the bed and cranked the electric blankets to high - keeping my fingers crossed.
My girlfriend arrived and we had a great candle light supper listening to Xmas carols on the shortwave radio. When it was time to go to bed she shrieked that someone had stolen the bed. I told her I intended for us to sleep outside under the northern lights. She told me I was totally crazy...
But to humour me we stripped down kaalgat and put our toques on (being good Canadians) and ran outside to the bed. It was nice and toasty under the blankets. The biggest problem we had was keeping the champagne from freezing - too cold outside the blankets and too hot underneath the blankets.
It was most romantic cuddling up together looking at the northern lights and trying to identify the stars while sipping on champagne and smooching and making love...... We repeated this every Xmas thereafter while in the Yukon.
This Xmas is our 10th Xmas together. Wish we could do it again but living in a more civilized part of the world makes it impossible. But on Xmas eve we will snuggle up together and fantasize about being in the Yukon again...
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 18:20:18 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
Hey Doug! I got to put voice to name today!
Listened to your discussion with Dennis Beckett on SA radio today. Well done - pity Mr Beckett was so short with you.
Doug, re: your postings about possible Chinese links with ancient Africa.
The Yao tribe that populated the one shore of Lake Nyasa - any oriental connections there?
It would have be a bitter blow to Livingstone's stiff upper lip if it turned out that one of Mao's ancestor's already owned a trading store at Vic Falls & offered David a cold Castle to celebrate the discovery by a white man of "The Smoke that Thunders"!!
Do you have anymore Johnny Boy Glen anecdotes to amuse the new folk to GNR? The White Cannibal tale bears repeating
Best Regards
Bill
Bill Hunt — Click here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:53:46 (UTC)
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Hi Fiona, Diane, Tina
I see I missed birthday wishes along the lines, hope the two (Di and Tina) had good ones. We are a bit up to our eyeballs here, house looking emptier by the minute.Most of the big stuff sold already, place looking bare. Shipping packing date 18th January. Then we are for the off,29 th January via Australia, New Zealand, Far East, London and Home to sunny South Wales (mmmh). Where we will look forward to that mini BASH Fi!!
Scarscalp -- where are u? we had a great time at the Dubai 7's your wish was granted and a shirt was duly found!! It shall be packed in the shipment (3 months on the open seas)!! tut tut ok, if I have room I will pack it, only if I room. (unless of course if Graham wears it!!) what ya reckon?
M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S AND H A P P Y N E W Y E A R
TO ONE AND ALL
GRAHAM AND FIONA
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) — Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:52:35 (UTC)
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Chisanga
Re Black Jews; actually I was talking about a tribe in the Northern Province of South Africa, but it is interesting to know that there was a similar thing in Zambia with the Lungu's.
Seeing as your Great-Grandmother was a Lungu, must we now greet you as Mazeltov Mukwai? :-)
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:50:13 (UTC)
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Alix and Fiona
Tina and Ted will be with us, hopefully, this evening at my house. Since she probably has not checked the GNR today, I will log on when they get here so she can see her messages.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:42:36 (UTC)
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Tina
Happy Birthday!
Johnny
Your warning about mixing ladies and beer reminds me of a pal of mine who went out drinking beer in Bulawayo. He met up with an attractive lady and they ended up in her double bed. She had some photos of her husband on the dressing table but said not to worry as he was out of town.
The excessive consumption of beer caused my friend to wake up early in the morning. As he arose to go to the toilet he saw that there was another man sleeping on the other side of the woman. The husband had returned home and probably not switched on the light to avoid disturbing his wife and slipped into bed without noticeing my pal.
My friend very quietly got dressed and let himself out and drove off. He never went back again. God looks after fools and drunkards.
Wilma
Enjoy your holiday in RSA.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:42:26 (UTC)
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TINA, IT IS THE SUMMER SOLSTICE HERE ON THE 21ST, AND IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE THE WINTER SOLSTICE.....MAY TODAY AND TONIGHT BE FILLED WITH YOUR WARMTH AND LOVE, AND DO "PLEASE" HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, HAPPY, WONDERFUL AND CHEERS FULL DAY AND NIGHT FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY........."
ALL OUR LOVE AND WISHES FROM
ALI, ALICE , JADE (TTAB LRIG ) AND LIZZY THE LEAH....OH AND OF COURSE ROISIN (WITH THE NEW LOOK) JASPER AND POLY
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(oh and like fifi, I won't risk the fancy writing either...giggles....ali (tis the 21st here so you can start the cheersing up early if you like, just put yourself in a sauna...imagine your'e celebrating down under.....
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:12:45 (UTC)
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To all you happy GNR people.
This is a quick message to wish you all a very happy christmas and a very merry new year.
I will be missing the winter christmas this year and exchanging it for a summer on in SA.
Bye for now
Love Wilma and Peter
Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 14:04:08 (UTC)
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Oops! I'm a day early, but she did say it was on Friday! Anyway, happy birthday for tomorrow Tina!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 13:53:10 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TINA MAGEE!!!
Hope you're having a lovely day and that you get lots and lots of love and pressies.
Love
Fiona
P.S. Sorry, no more HTML for me!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 13:52:14 (UTC)
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To all the "Home Girls and Boys" (No matter where your home is now!)
I wish each and everyone of you and your families a blessed Christmas and a new year filled with love and laughter and sunshine (and those of you who do not get much sunshine I know that you have your sunny memories of those glorious bygone Northern Rhodesian days to brighten your surroundings).
Much love
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) — Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 07:44:11 (UTC)
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Tina,
Thanks for the lovely verse and thoughts, yes we feel like family to me too - even Johnny!
Johnny,
That's cowboys and blondes for you.
Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, December 20, 2002 at 06:00:33 (UTC)
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Dear Jill in all the cowboy films i have watched i never ever saw one cowboy stick his hand out to signal which way he was going, I do remember a blonde girl friend of mine when driving down the main street of Chingola stuck out her arm and signalled to turn right, two seconds later it was out again but this time the hand on the end of her arm was being being shook from side to side violently, I enquired what that signal signified she said that was cancel my previous signal and that is a true story. love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 23:20:32 (UTC)
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We spring from Mother Africa. Our hearts and minds she formed.
Her dusty earth caressed our feet. Her sun nourished and warmed.
Our blood beats with the cadence of the drums and chants we knew.
We still hear the hyena and the leopard hunting too.
We won't agree on everything - how boring that would be.
But you're my spirit's family and you're precious to me.
If I dont feel that sun and smell that dust and see those skies
It's all there in your smiles, your words, the kinship in your eyes.
So every day in random thoughts and for a hundred reasons
Each one of you, friends, are true gifts, throughout the changing seasons.
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Whatever your "bag" may be - may you keep it full to the brim with love, fulfilment and meaning this season and every season.
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Slinky Sewley HAPPY BIRFDAY!!!!!
Dessie VERY BELATED HAPPY BIRFDAY!!!!
Everyone whose natal day I might have missed winking in and out of the Board as we do...
BELATED HAPPY BIRFDAY!!!!
Love,
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 21:28:35 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Tut tut - hand signals originated on horseback - horses were the mode of transport up until about a century ago!
I still teach road safety to Pony Club riders, and hand signals are how us riders TRY to communicate with you brain-dead drivers - most of whom have forgotten what the signals mean -
Right hand waving patiently up and down means
Slow down you stupid git - my horse is having a panic attack!
For instance...
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 21:12:45 (UTC)
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Dear Linda I did not know you had to do them when on horse back, Love Johnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 20:15:42 (UTC)
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Yes, Peter, I have perfected them quite well here in Texas...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 18:44:25 (UTC)
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Memories...
Does anyone remember the hand signals you had to use while driving when stopping or turning corners???
Peter Dielissen — Click here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 17:25:21 (UTC)
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I thought I had better publish this as it may be the saving of a friend or two, but there is always a couple of suicidal ones who will not take any notice of this warning Poor things. Take heed Johnny.
Warning
Police warn all clubbers, partygoers and unsuspecting pub regulars to be
alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman. A new date rape drug on the market called "beer" is used by many females |
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