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To friends of the Marsh Family

To those of you who know Sandra (Marsh) Hooper and her sister, Joy (Marsh) Alexander and their siblings, it is with a very heavy heart that I inform you of the passing of Joy's husband, Patrick. He died early this morning, the result of complications following triple bypass surgery.

To my second family, the Marshes, I cannot tell you how grieved I am. Pat was one of a kind, who would do anything for anyone. I grieve with you, and mourn the loss of Pat as though he were my own brother.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, January 31, 2003 at 22:26:58 (UTC)


GEORGE HENRY

NOTICED YOUR NAME ON THE MESSAGE BOARD

DO YOU REMEMBER WATCHING MUF 3RD XL PLAYING ZAF AT LUSAKA ?

A TEST OF YOUR MEMORY


Rod CroweClick here to contact me
Staines, United Kingdom
Friday, January 31, 2003 at 18:35:00 (UTC)


Things seem to be quite! Has anyone had any problems with those new viruses?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, January 31, 2003 at 18:17:50 (UTC)


Ken Millar and Gilly
My heartfelt and sincere condolences in your losses...
my thoughts are with you....

Hi all
There is a wonderful family closeness within the GNR,and in this family is a beautiful caring human being....I call her my "surrogate sister" thanks a million Tina...God bless you....... Also my humble thanks to all who have given their love and wishes....Alice Jade and Leah also give their love.
I am due to be discharged from hospital hopefully at the beginning of the week....and then start TAFE College studying drawing and design....and maybe next year continue with my science studies...but one step at a time......

Some fantastic news regarding my art work, I was asked sometime ago to design a cover for a brochure , the subject being "The many faces of women " a international seminar to be held in Western Australia in March...most probably there will be women from a lot of the African countries attending...hopefully from Zambia....I finished the artwork, and the committee who are organising the seminar are "absolutely thrilled with my work " so my friends I am soon to have "published work" !!!!

keep well and safe
Ali




Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Friday, January 31, 2003 at 16:52:42 (UTC)


Dear Ken

May you see her smile in the smiles of all those you meet, may you hear her laughter in life’s abundant humour. May the sweet sound of her voice never fade from your memory and may the memory of her love give you the courage to carry on…

but most of all, may the love that you two will always share be your constant companion.

Much love
Vivienne


Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Friday, January 31, 2003 at 10:12:58 (UTC)


The J & B Metropolitan is upon us this Saturday and after the fall of Dynasty and National Currency I think my selections will reflect value rather than price.
This weekend one can have a bet anywhere in the world as both Eurobet.com and ukbetting.com will be betting on the Met.
My selection is the 8/1 chance African Lion. Jeff Lloyd gets the ride having won on Divine Master and Surfing Home in previous years and he comes into the race with the same preparation Trademark had when he got beat on the line by his lesser fancied stable companion.
Owner Robert Bloomberg had a big bet when the horse was 100/1 months ago and he is cherry ripe and ready and well in at the weights.
On a handicap the horse to beat is without doubt Eventuail but he has not run for 8 weeks and I feel should have had one prep in between. Striker rides Angus in preference and at the weights and preparation he rates a challenger.He looked magnificent and dappled on TV and could not be better tuned.
My long shot is Red Badge who has beaten African Lion and the horse he beat in a PE feature has won two feature races in Durban since. He is fitter and has beaten African Lion before at level weights.
1St Race Pentagon Value Antonias Law 5/1
2nd Race Ice Cube(backed from 5/1 - 4/1) Value Top Draw 10/1
3rd Race Mayfair Set Value Pink Panther 10/1
4th Race Catalina 7/1
5th Race Jalabert 5/1
6th Race Danigma
7th Race Crimson Palace 3/1
8th Race African Lion 8/1
9th Race Josiah (backedfrom 8/1-9/2) can not beat Double Stretch 8/1 at the weights
10th Race Uaintseenothinyet 6/1

Happy punting......
We have First Academy running on the same day at Turfontein. have a good bet on this one


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 17:36:14 (UTC)


Ken
I have not read a more moving description of the love and life of your soul. We think of your family during this time.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 17:21:24 (UTC)


LIFE'S CONTINUING JOURNEY .......

Yesterday afternoon over two hundred family members and friends, braved the cold Canadian Artic winds, as they stood in the courtyard of All Saints Anglican Church, Westboro, Ottawa, and watched as the sombre black hearse slowly moved down the road taking Marlene on the next stage of her journey.

Moments earlier her simple wooden coffin adorned with red carnations and bright yellow flowers, in sharp contrast to the grey winter sky, passed an honour guard of smart young cadets from the 211 Ottawa Kiwanis Air Cadet Squadron and from the Govenor General's Foot Guards, who stood proudly to attention and saluted. A piper played, not a lament, but rather the "Green Hills of Tyrell" an uplifting march.

The waltzs of Johann Strauss,including "The Blue Danube", filled the nave and rose to the highest heights of the church before the service. Joyful hymns of praise, including the singing in accappela by the choir of the Bantu hymn " Uyai mose, tinamate Mware .... uyai mose zvinol" soothed our ladden hearts. Marlene's friend Shirley, gave a beautiful eulogy extolling Marlene's life in politics, public relations, her love of people , compassion, and fundraising activities over the years. Marlene was fiercely proud of our sons Tom and Scott and I was humbled by her love for me. As she left the church for the last time, many of the congrgation broke into song as the choir director played a spirited piano rendition of
"When the Saints Go Marching In".

At the reception, laughter and the sound of happy people talking about their expieriences with Marlene washed over us. Later at a party back at the apartment, a bottle of Mc Lelland's single malt Scotch was opened and we all toasted a life well lived. A supply of Castle Lager contributed to
a lively party, a party that Marlene would have loved.

To-day I started the next stage of life's continuing journey, comforted by the realization that I am surrounded by friends, who are there to support and comfort me, to share in my grief and yes celebrate a life well lived . Marlene was missing from my side as I gingerly took those first few steps, however I am comforted in knowing that she is with me as I now carry her in my heart.

I will be forever indebted to all who travel with me. There are no words that I can express how grateful,Tom, Scott and I are to having received the many e-mails and postings on the GNR giving us support and love as we walked along the past stretch of rocky road.

And now dear friends let us let us start the next stage of our journey ..........


Ken










Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 02:14:16 (UTC)


I am interested in seing a picture or sketch of a Thatcher and Hobson Bus around 1948/9. Can anyone help?

Terry GlynnClick here to contact me
Port Macquarie NSW, Australia
Wednesday, January 29, 2003 at 20:12:16 (UTC)


Barbara Torrance

Thanks for the contact shall indeed pass on the message to Hazel and Barry Sturrock.

Are you still in Muf? We do not recognise the name of Phil Plaisted.

We were from Chingola and new the Sturrocks when they were there. Have passed your email on to Hazel and Barry.

regards

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Wednesday, January 29, 2003 at 13:23:20 (UTC)


ANTHONY ELLIOTT

I have e-mailed you via the GNR regarding the Smales, ex-Lusaka. I have Malcolm's contact details in SA.



Patrick SampsonClick here to contact me
Fremont, California, United States
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 18:34:36 (UTC)


George Henry,

Will pass on your best regards to Tommy Laird concerning your rugby battles with him as scrumhalves in Muf, and what a battle that must have been. In the meantime all the best to you

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 17:40:16 (UTC)


Johnny thanks for your 'Bon Voyage'hope to see you soon.



Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 17:23:39 (UTC)


Hi All

Oops!

Re yesterdays update of www.nrzam.plus.com

Added Northern Rhodesia Journal - Volume II - No. 4 - 1954

Not No. 3 as stated!

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 21:35:59 (UTC)



Dear Gill And Ken We are all thinking of you.
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Graham and Fiona BON VOYAGE.
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Suprise, Tonight I got a call from my old buddy JOHN Maxwell, He has had a rough time of it the last few years but is still full of go after 7 visitations of cancer but said he would try and get up to see me for P - UP sometime this year he said he has been declared clear at the moment which is good news. Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 20:34:15 (UTC)


Bill Richards
I did not know Sue Gracie but I remember her parents and her brothers. Mr. Gracie bought P.W.Holmes, a construction company in Mufulira and they built the new road into Mufulira almost single handedly. The sons would drive trucks to the borrow pit to get gravel. When they arrived there they would jump out of the truck and onto the front end loader and load the trucks and then back into the trucks to drive them to the road where Mr. Gracie was waiting with a grader to level the gravel, after which he would drive a roller to compact it. Very hard working people.

I worked for him for a while circa 1972 building 128 houses for the railways in Choma. This was cut short on a drive home for the pay weekend when I came over a blind rise and hit a bakkie that some idiot had left parked across the road. My right kneecap was smashed out and my left ankle dislocated so I was 'hors de combat' for many months.

I would also be interested to hear what became of the Gracie family.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 17:47:07 (UTC)


Gill and Ken

Sincere condolences.



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 17:32:29 (UTC)


Hi everyone, (Fifi the long awaited departure is here!!)

Just to let you all know that we are departing Saudi Arabia for good on the 30th January from Bahrain on our way to Perth for 5 days (where we shall catch up with ex Zambian's Tommy & Val Laird, Hazel & Barry Sturrock.

We shall then fly on to Auckland NZ to see my sisters who immigrated from Durban June of last year. We shall spend two weeks in NZ then fly on to Sydney where we shall spend 5 days, then on to Singapore for 3 days on our way back to London. We shall arrive back in Sunny Wales! 27th February.

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 16:46:17 (UTC)


Hello everyone, I am trying to trace a friend of mine from my days in Lusaka: 1951 to 1975. His name is Malcolm Smale.

Malcolm I think moved into the Capetown area after obtaining his university degree.

His father was Town Treasurer for Lusaka and the family lived at the apex of the Ridgeway road.

Anybody know of Malcolm's whereabouts?



Anthony ElliottClick here to contact me
Stuttgart, Germany
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 15:22:02 (UTC)



Good morning campers, A little smile to start your Monday Morning,

An old man goes to the WITCH DOCTOR to ask him if he can remove
a "Curse" he has been living with for the last 40 years.

The WITCHY says "Maybe, but you will have to tell me the exact words that were used to put the curse on you."

The old man says without hesitation, "I now pronounce you man and wife."
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Regards Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, January 27, 2003 at 07:10:32 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

1/Added Northern Rhodesia Journal - Volume II - No. 3 - 1954
2/Mpulungu and Lake Tanganyika
3/Harrison Clark: King of Northern Rhodesia
4/Some Aspects of Rainfall in Northern Rhodesia
5/Legislative Council in Northern Rhodesia Twenty Years Ago
6/Memories of Abandoned Bomas - No. 6: Kalungwishi
7/Early Man in Northern Rhodesia
8/Mongu in 1908
9/Kayambi: The First White Father Mission in Northern Rhodesia
10/Memories of the 1914-18 Campaign in Northern Rhodesia and East africa - Part II
11/Chirupula Comments
12/Report on the Northern Rhodesia Society
13/Notes:
Captain Weldon's Memories of 1902 First Records No.6 The Name "Rhodesia" / Discovery of Bell Point / E Knowles Jordan / E J Glave / New Contributors tothis Number / Sir Stewart Gore-Browne / Of Storks and District Circulars / Gervas Clay's Scrap Book / How Do Large Raptorial Birds Hunt Their Prey? / Extracts from District Notebooks - No. 4 Mwanambinyi's Hole /
14/Lusaka Natural History Club
15/Correspondence:
Some Mammals With Northern Rhodesia Associations / Rhodes Relics / White Ants / The Cannon at Fort Jameson / Bobo Young's Guns / Fireballs at Chisamba / Accident at the Building of the Falls Bridge / Death of Hugh Cleaver / Pickering's Mission / More About Pickering's Mission /
16/Book Reviews

Regards Ian


Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 22:17:41 (UTC)


I am looking for a long time friend from Ndola her name is Sue Gracie and lived in the Monkey Fountain area. She had 4 brothers and left ndola in the mid seventies for Johanesburg. Anyone with any information please e-mail me.

Bill RichardsClick here to contact me
Essex, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 22:08:48 (UTC)


To the Main and Miller Families

All our love, our thoughts and our prayers are with you.

Ted, Tina and Chris Magee

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 13:20:41 (UTC)



Good Morning Campers, Or Maybe It Is Good Evening Where You Are, Here is a little tongue twister you can practice on for a couple of hours before your kids see it and then challenge your them to who does the washing up today.

How Fast Can You Say
This Tongue Twister?

Betty Botter bought some butter.
"But," she said, "the butter's bitter.
If I put it in my batter, it will make my batter bitter.
But a bit of better butter-- that would make my batter better."
So she bought a bit of butter, better than her bitter butter.
And she put it in her batter, and the batter was not bitter.
So 'twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter!
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How good a tongue twister are you?

40 seconds and over: Too slow. Your grandparents could say the poem faster.
30 to 40 seconds: Not bad. You're probably a faster talker than the President.
20 to 30 seconds: Pretty good. You've been gifted with a fast pair of lips.
15 to 20 seconds: Excellent. You can talk circles around anyone.
14 seconds or less: THE BEST! You are a tongue tying champion!
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Regards To All Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 07:03:20 (UTC)


Linda Burns

Linda I remember Des' grandmother Lillian very well at St. Michael's church. As when I was a wee kid my mother (bless her) made all 5 of us attend her Sunday school lessons. I also recall a vicar at St. Michael's called Cannon Eaton - think he was preaching at the time too. Hope Des and U are both well.

Gary Brassington (Brasso)

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 21:55:27 (UTC)


Gill & Ken

Our thoughts are with you at this sad time.
Much Love,
Pam & Bill Hunt

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 19:56:18 (UTC)


OOOps! Sorry didn't do a spell check (don't know how) - it is Riverrain of course!

Cheers!!!

Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 16:56:56 (UTC)


Craig, you are are superstar! Thanks - I was beginning to take it personally!!!!!!!!!

Well this GNR is quite amazing - having not posted to a looooong time - what a storybook this is! I have laughed and cried and giggled and jeered and am feeling quite dizzy from all the reading I have had to do, especially since I have to get to the computer the minute my two sons aren't around!

Heather Chalcraft
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Great photos - your new camera was certainly worth it.

Arthur
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I guess it is Grant Knowles who needs his shins kicked! Dez and Grant went through many pictures and Grant did have them redone - not sure what's happened since then (I keep on forgetting to ask him - or Heather rather! (I think Heather is the real foondie at the computer.) There were loads on Roverrain with class pictures, boxing photos etc. I'll have to give them a call to remind them.

Mrs. Lilian Alice Burns - Dez's grandmother was indeed a well respected lady in Kitwe. It was great to see her photo and to read the caption. I have yet to show Dez's folks the article as they have just moved to Pretoria. I am sure he will be thrilled to see it. His mother was a remarkable woman - she came from County Cork Near Skibberdean and her maiden name was Townshend. She was the last of ten children, and was brought up in Townshend Castle. As a mature woman she fell in love with Robert Burns a labourer from Belfast. She was about 11 or 13 years older than him and the rather well to do Townshend's did not approve (I think they may have 'disinherited' her - pity, as the Townshend Castle plus other 'cottages' are still there and apparently the family still own the castle and several buildings which are now bed and breakfast establishments.)

She and her 'young' husband decided to travel to Africa to start a new life. I know that Dez's father was born in Witbank and assume his older brother Tony was born there too. Lilian Alice only started her family very late for those days and had him when she was 40 or 41 and he is 78 now!

I would need to get Dez's folks to sit and tell me a bit more about her and all the work she did in Kitwe. She was awared the MBE in 1963 for all her work for the community of Kitwe and in particular for her work for St. Michaels and All Angels Church in Kitwe.

I would dearly love to hear who it was who 'surpised' her off her bicycle and will definately ask Dez's folks if they remember the incident.

OK now you are all going to wonder why on earth that Craig worked it so that I can sit and 'talk' on the GNR whilst the rest of the family watch horror movies! Thanks again Craig.

Moira and Glenda - how the hell are you guys, mising you.





Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 16:54:20 (UTC)


The Rolls Royce hearse seems a mystery to me but I will see if a few minds are active and ask my mother if she remembers it. I still have the record of service customers from that time so will see if we can locate the Roller.

Todays five star is National Currency in the Cape Flying Championship. Mike Azzie has said he will win by as far as the journalist could throw a stone......confidence to say the least. He like Dynasty is the horse with the movie star looks and the ability to go with it, so come the Cape Flying Championship this afternoon at Kenilworth if your moneys not on him you are not wise.Mike remarked to my good mate Wally Brits during the week that Wally stood more chance taking on Schumaker with his Isuzu bakkie than the field did against National Currency. Bold talk lets get our heads down and the money on.
Doublle up with Lasse Passe in the second race.



Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 09:42:03 (UTC)


Peter re you holiday in New Zealand

I am sure that Alix will also have suggestions, and maybe Hans can tell you what highlights he enjoyed when he visited New Zealand in the New Year.

What we would suggest could be

A day in Auckland, a day or two up to the Bay of Islands, then a visit to Taupo an the Volcanic Plateau and then perhaps finishing up in Rotorua. A bit touristy I know but there must be something there for them to visit.

A trip though the Hawkes Bay and on to Martinborough could be good especially i f you are interested in wine in particular big reds and pinot noir.

You could skip the North Island altogether and go straight to Christchurch and the Southern Alps, the West Coast and Fiordland. Or just spend 5 days pottering about in Wellington and then across the Cook Straight and the Malborough Sounds.
Christchurch is our favourite big city (by NZ standards to visit.) good transport interesting museums and Art Galleries. There is the Antartica Centre and the cafes and coffee bars are good.
Actually it is a pity you only have 5 days. However remember that it is in the Middle of our Winter which means it is cold and will rain. However that means the Volcanoes will have snow on and you will be able to ski on both Mount Ruapeo and also most of the Southern ski fields as well.

If there is anything else you want to ask just ask

Ka kite ano

Amanda

Amanda McIntosh (née Wiggins)Click here to contact me
Auckland, New Zealand
Friday, January 24, 2003 at 21:19:58 (UTC)


Hans,

Is the lady whose 80th birthday your mother will be celebrating the ex wife of Richard Hall? I knew Richard well and visited him often when we lived in London. The last time I saw him I attempted to persuade him to write a book on the Lenshina crisis. I was hoping he would collaborate with Charles Stacey who had acted as Lenshina's lawyer. As far as I know Charles still has a fair amount of material on that episode in NR/Zambia's history.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, January 24, 2003 at 17:43:17 (UTC)


GILL & KEN.
So sorry to hear of your respective losses, as we also move down the road to a new and yet unknown journey as we leave Saudi Arabia to return to the UK via Australia and New Zealand.
Our thoughts are with you at this time, God bless, may you always remember the happy times you had together.
Graham & Fiona.

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Friday, January 24, 2003 at 16:18:48 (UTC)


TELL ME JOSEPHINE .....

I have a book edited by Barbara Hall with a collection of letters written to the Zambia Mail.The book was published by Pan Books Ltd. in 1964.

In the weeks ahead, I will share some of the letters.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Friday, January 24, 2003 at 03:19:06 (UTC)


Hello GNR Lndon,
If there are any exNdolans in the London area who feel like a beer and a chat I shall be there between 30/1 to the 7/2.I have to escort my mother who is 81 to her friends 80th birthday party.My mothers old friend is a lady who used to write the `Tell me Josephine´column in the Northern News in Zambia back in the sixties.
Regards
Hans Mattsson
Uppsala

Hans MattssonClick here to contact me
Uppsala, Sweden
Friday, January 24, 2003 at 01:21:23 (UTC)


Ken Miller and family,

So very sad to hear of the loss of Marlene, your Guardian Angel is privileged to share your love.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 10:52:37 (UTC)


Hi Ken and Gill...

I was sorry to hear of your sad news and loss. My condolences to both you and to your families.

Our thoughts are with you...



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 09:08:55 (UTC)


GILL ...

My sincere condolences to you and your family on the death of your sister.

May you and your family enjoy the comfort that I do at the outpouring of love and concern shown on the GNR.

As we each continue on our respective journeys it is reassuring to know we are with friends.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, January 23, 2003 at 00:11:45 (UTC)


Gill and Ken

I am sorry to hear of your respective sad news and loss.

My condolences to you both and to your families.

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 23:11:45 (UTC)


To The Main & Miller Families Respectively!

On behalf of Natasha, Scott and myself please allow me to convey our heartfelt deepest sympathies to you all on your recent sad loss'. No words would be able to describe the voids both families must be feeling. God bless you all.

Gary Brassington & Kids.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 22:19:50 (UTC)


Ken, Tom and Scott,

My deepest sympathy you you all. I hope that the happy times you shared will give you peace now. God bless you.
Sue

Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 22:14:27 (UTC)


Gill,

My deepest sympathy. I will always remamber Carole as a pretty, talented and fun girl. I was in the Boyfriend with her a few years ago. God bless you and the family.
Sue

Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 22:11:45 (UTC)


To the Main Family

I did not scroll far enough down the board before posting my previous message. To you, also, I offer my most heartfelt condolences on the loss of your sister.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 22:05:29 (UTC)


To Ken and Family

My deepest condolences to and your family on the loss of your sweet lady Marlene. May she rest in peace.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 22:02:46 (UTC)


LAURA MARLENE MILLER ( nee CHAPMAN )
August 17, 1947 - January 22, 2003

After an afternoon of listening to Johann Strauss waltzs including the Blue Danube, Marlene passed away.

I will forever carry her in my heart as I continue with my journey consoled by so many wonderful people.

While I may have lost a lover, best friend, mother to our sons Tom and Scott, I now have a guardian angel, I am indeed truly blessed.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 21:40:29 (UTC)


Gill,
Please accept our most heartfelt condolences on the passing of Carole. Dick and I both remember having some absolutely great times with her going back so many years. She was an incredibly talented and funny person who I'm sure will be missed by many people.

LizdClick here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 17:38:15 (UTC)


Gill,

Sincere condolences to you and your family on the loss of your sister. I am thinking of you.

Love,
Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 16:45:15 (UTC)


David,
Where in SA are you? I have scanner and living in Midrand.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 16:41:45 (UTC)


Heather

Great pictures as usual - I have 16 mm movie film of a flight I made over the Falls in an old 1936 Rapide in ± 1956! That was one bumpy flight. I flew back from Johannesburg today and have a copy of SAA's in-flight magazine Sawaborna that contains an article on Lusaka. If you haven't seen the article yet then e-mail me your fax number and I'll send you a copy. Must find someone with a flat bed scanner then I could share it with everyone.

Arthur

Thanks for the RR scans - always something of interest. The surprise this time was to recognise a photograph I took of Dave Clarke and Eiddon Davies in the Kitwe High School science lab. I seem to remember getting 30/- (30 shillings for the younger generation who might not recall the £-s-d currency of old) for my trouble!

Wayne Kennerley

Re Rolls Royces, way back in 1956 when my Dad had our car serviced at Ace Auto Engineering, an ancient 1920s Rolls hearse was parked in their yard. It was a beautiful vehicle complete with tastefully etched side glass - I can't recall the asking price. I had visions of owning this vehicle and driving it around Kitwe but my Mom got to hear of my plan and that was the end of that. Maybe Chris Swart knows what happened to it. Torr Benson may be able to tell you what happened to their Rolls which they must have bought new in ± 1955.

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 16:13:58 (UTC)


GREGORY CRAWFORD

I was a junior draughtsman at Rhokana at the same time that Fred was there. I remember him as one of the nice guys. He wasn't the neatest but he was quick and accurate and he was the most prolific senior draughtsman in the office.. He was mainly into structual layout and detailing. He always drew a small hard hat worker to indicate the scale. I saw him use his fore arm as a ruler on the drawing board on numerous occasions, just to save time. Fred was one smart cookie!

Cheers



John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 16:03:06 (UTC)


Peter Dielissen

Pete... New Zealand is renouned for it's SHEEP!...Have fun!

Looking forward to your visit in Oz

Cheers

John

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 15:46:28 (UTC)


To All who knew and loved her.......:

It is with deep sadness we have to advise that our beloved sister, Carole (Gilges), passed away earlier today in Durban, owing to complications following major surgery (she had been on holiday in SA visiting friends). Carole's body will be cremated and her ashes remain in Africa "which her heart never left".

Our hearts are heavy -

Gill, Val and Les Main.


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 14:06:14 (UTC)


Arthur,

Thanks very much for posting the pics. I remember that Basil Hall (editor of the Rhokana Review) took the photo at Trout Beck. Was on holiday with the Hall's - their son Kenny was a buddy of mine.

Regards Mark

Mark SturgeonClick here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 12:13:52 (UTC)


Heather.....

Fantastic photos!!! I am so glad you take the time to post them for all of us to enjoy.

Unfortunately I cannot attend the re-union as September is the start of the University year and our busiest month of the year. Almost any other month would have been ok....

I will be spending six days enjoying John Milton's hospitality in Perth in early July. Hope to meet some GNR's there.

Are any of you living in Auckland who may be able to give me some advice on how to amuse myself for six days in New Zealand in July?



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 11:45:46 (UTC)


A message from Ali Keys. The words are mine. The thoughts are hers.

I am still in Charles Gardiner hospital in Perth but my doctors suggest it should not be too many days now before I can return home to my girls. My girls and I have some problems to overcome but now at least we individually have good counsel and support in progress to help us.

Thanks to your generosity we also have a financial head start. Huge Thanks to John and Rosemary Milton for their friendship, support and time spent in coordinating donations and to Fiona Gayther and Craig Hartnett who have a generous scheme-in-progress to put my art on a website for sale and artistic recognition. I have art supplies and I draw whenever I can - a cheetah, a tiger lily, etc.

Huge Thanks to each of you who have sent contributions to help us and who have been encouraging and supportive. While I mustn't name most of you individually I'm so grateful to each one for helping us get through this.

Sincerely,

Ali




Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 09:33:52 (UTC)



Dear Heather you have excelled yourself again with those great pictures I had forgotten how green every thing used to be, I know every body who has seen them has said I would love to go back for a visit and see it all again, keep up the great job you are doing and from us all thank you.
Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 07:11:14 (UTC)


Heather!

I don't post much on the GNR, but I do read it on a regular basis. It is great website and your recent photo's were absolutely fabulous!

It has made me extremely nostalgic!
Keep up the good work!

Debbie StewartClick here to contact me
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 05:27:59 (UTC)


Heather, what fantastic photography! Thanks again for your amazing work you share with us. What a treat! Is it just me, or is the yearning burning a hole in everyone's souls?



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 23:42:04 (UTC)


Thanks Arthur & Heather for those pictures.

Heather, the pictures of the Falls were magnificent. I also noticed the good roads. Far better than our South African roads except for the main highways.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 21:28:58 (UTC)


Fiona,

Don't worry - us girls will stick together - I'll protect you - after all - those crocs (flatdogs) are only big lizards with big teeth!

Maybe Johnny will also bring his pet snake, I heard the old crocks are terrified of it!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 21:25:35 (UTC)


Heather,
many many thanks for the magnificent photos.

Rooibos tea
Rooibos tea is an aquired taste but I found the best way to drink it was as shown at the Rooibos stand at the Rand Easter show. Make up as normal tea, chill and mix with equal amounts of guava nectar. Very refreshing.
I have also used it to treat nappy rash (on my baby!) very sucessfully.

Agnes.

Agnes Watson (née Mcgovern)Click here to contact me
Grays, Essex, England
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 19:56:33 (UTC)


Monsieur Steeevens,
I dont know about M. Green, but moi, je tire Ok.
Heather..... what kind of camera do you use? I presume its a digital? I have to get one and would like to know. I cant manage September butti, I em being there this year, me. Yessi.
Loverley photos. I was one who only saw the one side of train stations and the one donkey towns like Pemba and etc were mere hesitations on the great journeys of life.
Many thanks.
Bill
P.S. Ken Miller is hanging in and is buoyed tremendously by all the things folks write to him. He reads them to Marlene

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 19:32:32 (UTC)


Heather - more than just photographs; a photographic essay and you get a double A+ for it! Wonderful.

But...... that ain't Codrington! Bob Eglinton has some excellent mid sixties pictures in the Codrington section of www.nrzam.plus.com which will help you to know what you are looking for - I'll also try to give you some idea of where it was / is, albeit at a distance of 42 years!!!

From Lusaka going a little down the Mazabuka hill from the water tower, Codrington was on the right but off the main road and probably not visible from it. It is in the direction of the Mazabuka Club (assuming it is still in the same place) although there was not a direct road. It was at the, then, edge of a residential area.

I really hope this helps you find it as I would be very interested in knowing what it is used for nowadays - perhaps still a school?

In any case, many thanks!

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 19:31:05 (UTC)


Heather
Bon Accord Hotel Livingstone

I think the significance of this hotel was that it was the venue for Pamela The Tassle Tosser's debut performance in NR.
I believe that it was on the same occasion that Pamela commandeered Johnny's pet python as one of her props.
(or was it Glenda Kemp?)

Does anyone recall the annual Copperbelt Soccer & Tennis Club tours to the Belgian Congo? Elizabehville & Jadotville.

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 19:15:40 (UTC)


HEATHER

Stunning pictures as always. Heather, they made me feel mighty homesick. I can't wait to set eyes on the falls again. I've seen them many times but never get tired of seeing them. I have flown over them before(with a German man being violently sick into a bag at the back of the plane) and, as you say, worth the money.

Erm, with regard to the hotel where you're planning to hold the reunion. How close can those crocs get? Will I need to bring a catty with me or will Artie protect me. I was also impressed with the state of the roads. As far as I could see, no potholes.

ARTHUR & SUE

£50???

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 17:10:20 (UTC)


Hi

I am researching Rolls-Royce and Bentley Motor Cars thathave been owned in Africa. I am looking for information, especially photographs of these cars that have been owned in N. Rhodesia (Zambia) - (or other countries in Africa). I would be delighted to hear from anyone who Owns, Owned, knew of or who has photo's of any of these cars.

Regards
Wayne M. Kennerley


Wayne KennerleyClick here to contact me
New Malden, Surrey, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 15:01:53 (UTC)


Wow! Thanks Heather.

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 14:39:29 (UTC)


Hi Arthur

Thank you for the picture of my father Fred Crawford. Fred was a leadburner and most of the names are very familiar to my family. I was about eight months old at the time of the picture
I saw Sharon Wilson (nee Padkin) just the other day, and she gave me lots of very old photographs "liberated" from a mine managers office. Most of the pictures are of the very start of the copper mines showing the basic timber structures used above the new shafts being dug. Transport in the pictures was by means of an ox wagon. Very early days indeed.
Thank you
Greg

Gregory CrawfordClick here to contact me
Port Edward, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 14:30:14 (UTC)


Heather - WOW!
Wonderful photo's - absolutely!!
Thank you so much!!

Tell me, do you need a little helper??!

Regards
Kris


Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 14:12:35 (UTC)


Heather

Magnificent photos! Thanks. I feel quite nostalgic now, having just browsed through them. Roll on September! Thanks also, for the link to the Islands of Siankaba. What a beautiful place! I am already dreaming of visiting.

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 13:55:10 (UTC)


Hi Arthur
Thanks again for photo of my Dad. I remember that photo being in the Rhokana Review but have never had a copy so really appreciated, as all the others you have posted. My Dad was such a great person so always nice to get the photos of him.
How technology has changed, note the telephone on the desk.

Hi Heather,
Incredible photos of Mazabuka Choma etc and the Falls, can hardly believe it is two years since our trip back to Zambia and these photos have certainly stirred some fantastic memories of that nostalgic trip back to Zambia.
Would still like to make another trip back again sometime.



Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 12:50:45 (UTC)


Arthur

Wot fifty quid???

Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 10:35:49 (UTC)


Northerners

Some photos from my trip to Livingstone. This was a recce for the Livingstone Lark and as soon as I have put all the information together, I will post it.

First stop was Munali Pass, just north of Mazabuka. This is more or less where David Livingstone had his first sighting of the Kafue River on 14 December 1855, on his trip from Angola to Mozambique. Livingstone's nickname was Munali, meaning The Red One.

The Munali Pass also played a part in the Rhodesian War. I can't remember the exact details, but the Rhodesians had set up an ambush there using a wrecked vehicle and some 'injured people'. On this particular evening, Colin Hindson, Chris Collett and Mike Arnold were returning to Mazabuka from an evening in Lusaka when they came across this 'accident'. Being law-abiding citizens they stopped to render assistance, at which time the Rhodesians opened fire. According to Colin, he and Chris were travelling in a vehicle with a V8 motor, but there was no way they could catch up with Mike in his Datsun 1600. This story is recorded in one of the books written about the Rhodesian War (I can't remember which), but to hear Colin tell the story has you rolling around on the floor.

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And then up Hervey's Hill, a well-known landmark

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After that, we were into the Mazabuka farming area and these are just to prove to Arthur that Zambia is not only about mining, but about agriculture as well.

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Next was the bustling town of Mazabuka, the sweetest place in the nation. I guess the first photo you could call 'Shoprite's Folly' - there have been a number of trucks which have engaged Zambian Gear (neutral) going down the hill and ended up as window displays. Or perhaps the drivers were just enjoying the view of Nakambala Sugar Estates in the distance.

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And what I think is Codrington School (if someone can confirm, I'll go back there sometime for better photos)

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Then we were into the one-donkey towns of the Southern Province - Monze and Pemba

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And then on to Choma

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with a quick stop at Choma Station

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and the other side of the station for those who only ever passed through there by rail

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and a quick chat with J Ngandu and P Banda, both train drivers who had just delivered a train from Livingstone

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The next town was Kalomo, but it was getting late so I took the advice of this truck

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and only took one photo as I drove through the town, without stopping

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In Livingstone, there was much to do:

A trip to the Mosi-oa-tunya Game Park

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A visit to Maramba River Lodge, where I shall probably be holding the main event of the Livingstone Lark, with a crocodile on the banks of the river (within 10 metres of the bar and within 5 metres of where I was standing)

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And water hyacinth on the Maramba River (incidentally, this is not the same as Kariba Weed (Salvinia Molesta))

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A sunset cruise

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A walk around the Falls

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and the Knife-edge bridge

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But I think the highlight of the trip was the helicopter flight over the Falls - well worth every ngwee I spent on it:

The view of the Falls before we took off

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During the flight

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Devil's Cataract

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Livingstone Boat Club

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Long Island

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The gorges below the falls (sorry, a bit of reflection from the glass on these photos)

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And the sharpest corner on the Federal railway system:

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The last night was spent at Islands of Siankaba, but more about that later and since I was in that area, I had hoped to get to Kasungula, but I was running late (again!!) and had the long drive back to Lusaka ahead of me, so I had to give it a miss. But I did take this photo along the road

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and these of the Bon Accord Hotel, which is obviously not in use right now

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But I have been wondering why was this hotel so important? Can those who asked for photos please tell us now, otherwise I shall be obliged to see what I can find out and you might not like what I come up with.

And throughout the trip, anthills of every shape and size

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and the anthill with the inevitable Euphorbia Ingens (Candelabrum Tree). The question is which comes first, the anthill or the Euphorbia?

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and then it was back up the Great North Road to Lusaka.

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 09:55:22 (UTC)


Arthur,

Thanks for those scans of the three pages on the SRAF. I didn't try and read them though, except for the captions. Looks very interesting.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 08:59:56 (UTC)


Johnny, now I'm wondering about the tea you so kindly sent me a while back. Was it the original or irradiated blend?

Jill, I had to make an emergency trip back home from work today. Is rooibus another word for brooklax, by any chance.

Arthur, thanks for the wonderful photos you have posted. All your efforts are very much appreciated!

No bites on the Malawian vampire posting? There was a follow up today to say that a newspaper reporter was sent to jail for interviewing one of these vampires. He is accused of spreading fear and falsehood. Sounds a bit like Johnny Green...

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 03:35:37 (UTC)


Northerners !

I took a look in the "Looking For" list in the Names Directory of the GNR just now and it seems that some of the new members are listing existing members already on board as people they are searching for. I suggest to you all to check this list every now and then as you may be missing someone special.

I also noticed a new member, Barry Wilson who has just joined the GNR. Barry I remember your wife Sharron Padkin very well, that was when I was at Kitwe Primary, and she was a very pretty blonde girl, I used to wait around the end of Swinburne Close most days on the way home from school ! I never made an impression I'm sorry to say.

Some more pics and articles from the Rhokana Review that may interest some of you here.

Linda - I can't find an Inspector Patel - yet - but maybe in some later issues - and it seems harassment of unsuspecting young ladies in motor vehicles has been going on for some time. Maybe Johnny knows this policeman. I do have a slight suspicion that maybe they were all the same policeman.

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Talking of harassment I recall some time ago that one of the Kitwe girls wrote a tale on the GNR message board about doing something so scary to this well respected lady she fell off her bike. To save me trawling through the archived boards perhaps that person would like to make herself known now.

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Greg Crawford

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I hope one of these could be your dad, both photos were in the 1954 volume of the Rhokana Review, as you can see they both have different occupations, and faces of course. Another shot of Lindsay will follow later.

Mark Sturgeon

Here's a couple for you, one of your dad in 1958 and one of yourself c1954. Were you aiming for a blueskop? I have seen plenty of pics of your mum and dad, more to follow soon.

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One for Denise Horton

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and Lesley Dalton

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Who had one of these?

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And remembers this place?

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This article was in the June 1954 issue and may also interest some, I scanned the pages full size but have reduced them here so they don't take too long to open, hope you can read them OK.

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All images from the Rhokana Review - on loan to the GNR from Guy Hobbs and Peter Hills

NB: Some of the images I posted on the 5th of this month did not open properly when clicked, they are now fixed if you missed them the first time round.

Sue Moffat

Both your postings are noted, and about time - I'm waiting for the £50 quid, your sister has told me so much about you.

Mr Knotty, seems like both you and Johnny Green have been irradiated then. Was it the neutered bomb?

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 01:05:32 (UTC)


I received this em from my sister and thought it may amuse some of you on the GNR, especially the ones not living in Africa

Romance - SA style

You're my morning, my sunshine, my moon and my stars,
You're my aroma from the old OK Bazaars,
You're my beaded love-letter, my Breeze in the night,
You're my Koffiehuis, my Cremora, my Blitz firelight,
You're my Crime-stop, my Tracker, you're my AZT,
My pap, my Mrs Ball's chutney, my Nando's for free,
You're my lambchop, my dewdrop, my partner in crime,
My chillie, my pepper, my vetkoek sublime,
The list is just endless and this isn't all,
You're my Lotto jackpot, my dop and my zol,
You're my 4 x 4 when the road is so hilly,
You're the Floro margarine that butters my mielie,
I smaak you, my poppie, so please be my wife,
'cause, Babe, you're the Tomato sauce on the slap chips of life.


I would do anything for a bag of slap chips and tomato sauce have tried to make them at home not quite the same as buying them from the local T-Room. Love and Hugs to all on the GNR - Irene

Irene White (née Barnard)Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 22:57:51 (UTC)


Dear Johnny,
There is nothing wrong with irrradiated food so long as you dont stand too close when the process happens. Then you dont need a vasectomy.

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 22:54:27 (UTC)



Dear Linda, Jilly just a little more info on your rooiboss
tea, we used to have it issued when I was in the service of
swa defence force, and I really got to like it, it is better when it is stewed as we used to leave a cauldron of it on the fire and when your turn for gaurd duty came round you just dipped your mug in lovely,until one day a piece appeared in the Joburg paper stating that all the roiboss tea in the country had been recalled and sent to the atomic establishment at Palendaba ? spelling? because they had dicovered that all the leaves had SH--T on them, they were bombarded with radiation for god knows how long and then put back on the market and declared fit for consumption, needless to say that was my cue to swap my tea bags I am sure that a few more of our readers will remember this episode just to prove to you that I am not winding you up, Happy tea drinking Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 22:30:36 (UTC)


Hi Linda,

I went to that site and the tea you have tried IS Rooibos Tea, they are just not allowed to market it under that name - something to do with copyright.

I also don't really like Rooibos tea, but it is a very healthy tea and is recommended even for small babies. Here you can even buy rooibos soaps for babies, as well as cleansing lotions and shampoos - all said to be very good for you. My mother was born close to the region in which it was grown - and she was raised on it - never sick in her life, so maybe it did help prevent cancer? Dunno about AIDS though!

Anyway, it really USUALLY doesn't taste as bad as you are explaining - just treat like a normal tea bag - it is just slightly sweeter than normal tea. It's quite nice with lemon.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 17:58:07 (UTC)


Thanks David and Marilyn for your info on the two teas. I think I am going to market it as a weight loss product. (One cuppa of this and you won't be able to face putting anything in your mouth for a while..he! he!) No, seriously, I will give it another shot and try it a little weaker. The box said to let it sit for 6 minutes, and it is a large tea bag, so I must have gotten an industrial dose of it.

On to another African topic. Has anyone heard or read anything about the vampires in Malawi recently? A very strange article in our newspaper this weekend said that these modern day vampires are coming in black sweeping robes and gassing people with "sleeping gas" and then extracting vials of blood with syringes. (Sounds a bit like the nurse in my doctor's office when I go for my annual physical... he! he!)

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 13:37:26 (UTC)


Linda

Honey bush tea (like Chinese green tea) is great provided you don't make it too strong. I find that a palatable mug full of brew requires just enough 'tea' that would cover the surfsce of an old NR "tickey". And yes, it is an acquired taste!!! Another great tea is 'Rooibos' (Red Bush) with the unfermented variety being tops.

Cheers



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, January 20, 2003 at 06:47:21 (UTC)


Does anyone have any info on African Honeybush Tea? My husband came home with a box and I quickly brewed up a cup... only to gag on it! Ag sis, no man. The box has this website on it: www.africanbush.com which is a company that happens to be located in San Antonio, Texas, but is run by two ladies from South Africa. Very interesting reading, including some of the claims that it "protects" against some forms of cancer and some other claims regarding AIDS. I just wanted a nice cup of tea from the motherland, but I guess I will have to ease into this one slowly! Just wondering if this honeybush tea is popular in Africa too, or if this was a sales gimmick. By the way, just for the record, even though I have been here 25 years, I have not succumbed to the ghastly Americanised "ice tea".

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 23:26:37 (UTC)


Ken old chap,
Get Reggie to call me Ok. I dont have his number...
821-6231 Hi Marlene.
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 12:30:07 (UTC)


THE BLUE DANUBE ......

Yesterday, Marlene continued on her journey when she was transfered from the Ottawa Hospital to the May Court Hospice.

The short ambulance trip, took her from a sterile white hospital ward filled with monitors and saline drips attached by clear plastic tubing to patients lying in in their white beds wearing the all to familiar blue hospital gowns that never seem to be able to close at the back, even on the smallest of patients exposing their cheribuc posteriors for all to see, to a beautiful room with no hospital equipment but with pictures and an arrangement of fresh flowers to welcome her.

Her room over looks a garden which at this time of year is covered with a white blanket of snow. The trees with their knarled branches and contorted limbs reach up to the cold grey winter skies. I cannot help but draw comparisons with Marlene as she lies in her bed, knowing that her right side has been ravaged by a stroke.

In a few short weeks, spring will be here, crocuses will start to push their tiny blue flowers through the snow. As the snow melts and runs into the beautiful Rideau River flowing slowly past the back of the garden, the green grass will emerged and the trees will burst into rich green canopies offering shelter from the rays of the hot summer sun. The garden will be filled with flowers painted in all the colours of the rainbow. As Marlene continues her journey,in the garden of my mind I will be blessed seeing her qualities that have been passed on to Tom and Scott.

No longer does Marlene hear the incessant clicking of saline pumps or the sharp and shrill voices over the intercom system. Rather, the enchanting sounds of Andre Rieu and the Johann Strauss Viennese Orchestra, fills her room with Viennese waltzs.

This afternoon as the violins magically played the Blue Danube, for a few short minutes I held her in my arms and swayed back and forth, her eyes lit up and she smiled, for a moment she was again my vibrant nineteen year old princess with beautiful brown eyes. We danced oblivious to others being in the room.

The music stopped and with tears running down my face, Marlene who is unable to talk, smiled, and her sparkling eyes reasured me of her love and that she was content.
There are many difficult steps in this part of the journey, however we are constantly being supported by our many good friends and family members. The support that I receive from GNR makes each step a little easier, and in particular, I thank Ali for her support, knowing that she faces her own challenges.

Ali and each of you as you meet your own personal challenges my wish is that you will find your beautiful garden and dance to the Blue Danube











Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 01:10:47 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

I'm afraid the scans are not as good as they should be - I am getting used to a new computer, a new operating sytem and new software! I will have cracked it for the next update!

Added Northern Rhodesia Journal - Volume II - No. 3 - 1954

1 The Taming of North-Eastern Rhodesia
2 Common Fishes of the Zambezi Watershed: a suggested nomenclature
3 George Grey
4 Bibliography of Northern Rhodesia - Part III
5 The Boma Messenger and his Uniform
6 Memories of Abandoned Bomas - No 5: Chinenga
7 The Fear of Witchcraft
8 Mystery Isle: Mweru Marsh
9 Muzzle Loading Guns
10 Artillery in Rhodesia 1890-96
11 Notes: First Records - No 5 The First Legislative Council/Hot Springs in the Luangwa Valley/Lindashi and the Lion/Gervas Clay's Scrapbook/New Contributors to this Number/Extracts from District Notebooks No 3: Lobengula's Treasure/WW Shelmerdine Remembers a 1905 Boundary Adjustment/Writing History - L Gann
12 The Hunters and Pioneers - a poem by EC "Anzac" Mills
13 Lusaka Natural History Club
14 Correspondence: Fireballs at Chisamba/ Dramatic Society History/ Kilwa Island/ European Place Names/ Kelsey Expedition/ Abandoned Bomas/ Forgotten Graves/ Who was Bwana Barush/ "Bobo" Young/ Cullen Gouldsbury/ The 1914-18 Campaign/ The Mumbatua Falls/ Elephant Habits/ Fort Jameson Reminiscences/ Kilwa Island and the Luapula
15 Book Reviews

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 22:59:27 (UTC)


Margie Martin

I am in Livingstone right now, but heading back to Lusaka later today. When I get back to my office, I'll let you have the BHC's email address

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 09:08:23 (UTC)



Morning campers a couple of lines of so called wisdom Uttered I suspect by a FEMALE, Regards Johnny.
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Just think, if it weren't for marriage, man would go through life thinking they had no faults at all.
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 09:04:57 (UTC)


Can anyone help?
I need to know how to contact the British High Commission in Lusaka.
My mother became a British Citizen in 1964 but she has lost her papers and I would like to try and get them but don't know how to contact the High Commission so would appreciate any details that anyone can give me.

Many thanks
Margie Martin

Margie Martin (née Ellison, formerly Waters, Gilleran)Click here to contact me
Edenbridge, Kent, United Kingdom
Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 08:54:54 (UTC)


Keri Rawlins nee Van Niekirk,
I am sorry but I have lost your EM address. Please resend. Many thanks for your note. You are the clone of your mom, Joy.
Cheers Gordon

Gordon GarlickClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Friday, January 17, 2003 at 22:13:50 (UTC)


For Fenella Lockhart-Mure
I've received your messages but my emails to you have been returned.Did you give me your correct email address? I'd love to hear your news after all this time.
Dot xx

Dorothy Anderton-Shuttleworth (née Anderton)Click here to contact me
Merseyside, United Kingdom
Friday, January 17, 2003 at 18:38:39 (UTC)



Bobby Allan The parchment you claim to have is a forgery, every one knows the joke origninated from Magellan.
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, January 17, 2003 at 08:06:11 (UTC)


Jacqui:

Thanks for your friendly comment.
Yes, I do believe the joke is a very old one, but we have just received it down under.

The original manuscript was found written on parchment in a bottle, signed by O/seaman Thos Hicks, countersigned by one Lieut.Jas. Cook R.N.
(I think Pierre came from Gascogny, or was a clairvoyant).



Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Friday, January 17, 2003 at 03:04:01 (UTC)


Hi All


www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added Bob Eglinton's pictures of Mazabuka in the 60s to the Contributions Section.

Removed Codrington School items from my 'Personal' area to it's own distinct area further down the page.

Added a single topic forum for Codrington, Jean Rennie and Gilbert Rennie to allow former pupils to make contact and reminisce.

The last is not intended to compete with the GNR Message Board!!!!

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 22:23:16 (UTC)


Jack Wardell

Yes it is true! My friend, Christine Bramwell, and I cycled out to the Hunt’s place one bright and sunny Saturday morning many years ago! We were 10 years old and it was an exciting adventure! We cycled the 8km on the national road to the Palm Grove Motel and then we turned off onto the dusty bush road. This was fun! But it was hot and tiring! Eventually we reached the picnic spot and Des was there. Imagine his surprise at the sight of two young 10 year old girls alone and on bicycles in the middle of the bush! We assured him our fathers knew of our escapade (which of course they did not) but he insisted on letting them know we had arrived safely! Especially as there was a rogue lion roaming the area! My father drove out to fetch us and although the memories of that day have faded somewhat I will never forget the hiding I got – amazingly it was the only ‘harm’ I came to that day!
Is Kabwe still the charming little place it used to be? Don’t pay any attention to these people who keep insisting it was a dump!!


Robert Allan

Loved ‘Pierre the fighter pilot’ joke! It has been around many years but still very funny!


Heather

Sounds like you are having a great time - even in the heat! Is this a reconnaisance for our Lark in September? I am looking at doing part of the trip with Rovos Rail. Depends on the cost and also if they are still going to Vic Falls in the current political climate.


Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 14:29:44 (UTC)


Hi All

Just popping in quickly to let you know I'm still consuming oxygen here in Jo'burg. I can only endorse what Heather said about the heat here in Africa today - Jozi is sweltering again at about 34 degrees C! Your plans for a cruise on the river this evening have turned me green with envy!!

To Ken and Ali
Although you're in far flung corners of the GNR, you are both constantly in my thoughts.

Best wishes ....

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 12:06:03 (UTC)


Northerners

Just checking in from very hot, very humid, very sunny Livingstone.

Thank goodness for cool, air conditioned Internet Cafes. But it can't last - I must leave shortly, back into the sweltering heat.

On the agenda this afternoon is a helicopter flight over the Falls and a cruise on the river at sundown.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 09:30:46 (UTC)


A great big THANK-YOU to both Mr Hughes and Heather Chalcraft for the Luanshya scans. On the Ceremonial Arch at 4th St Bridge you can clearly see 40 'T'acoma Ave, the first house I ever lived in. The memories that are flooding in are indescribable.

Geraint LewisClick here to contact me
Paris, France
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 07:56:56 (UTC)



You know its about time to invest in a new pc when a visiting friend remarks on the little flap that opens on the side of your monitor and a carrier pidgeon flies out when you press send.
Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 02:50:53 (UTC)



My new chat up line, try it sometimes it works,

Iv'e lost my phone number, can I borrow yours?

Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 02:40:18 (UTC)


To-day's "let's crack a smile" time (it's only a tiny bit naughty- please don't ban me):

Pierre, a brave French fighter pilot, takes his girlfriend, Marie, out for a pleasant little picnic by the River Seine. It's a beautiful day, and love is in the air.
Marie leans over to Pierre and says: "Pierre, kiss me!"
Our hero grabs a bottle of Merlot wine and splashes it on Marie's lips.
"What are you doing, Pierre?" says the startled Marie.
"I am Pierre the fighter pilot! When I have red meat, I have red wine!"
She smiles and they start kissing. When things began to heat up a little,Marie says, "Pierre, kiss me lower."
Our hero tears her blouse open, grabs a bottle of Chardonnay and starts pouring it all over her breasts.
"Pierre! What are you doing?" asks the bewildered Marie.
"I am Pierre the fighter pilot! When I have white meat, I have white wine!"
They resume their passionate interlude and things really steam up.
Marie leans close to his ear and whispers, Pierre, kiss me lower!"
Our hero rips off her underwear, grabs a bottle of Cognac and pours it in her lap.
He then strikes a match and lights it.
Marie shrieks and dives into the river. Standing waist deep in the water.
Marie throws her arms upwards and screams furiously,
"PIERRE, WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?"
Our hero stands up defiantly and says, "I am Pierre the fighter pilot! If I go down, I go down in flames."





Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 01:31:57 (UTC)


Gil Wilson,

Whadya mean Dave must have had an easier life ! I had a beard in 1970 and I am still just a boy!

Anyway I have lots photos of the Rugby club, Sables etc and I will post them when I get home and get my computer sorted.

Jack WardellClick here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 18:53:05 (UTC)


Tracey Donovan

I have just returned from a visit to Kabwe and tracked down your Des Valley. As Charles suggested it is linked to Des Hunt. Dave Murdoch, Dave Tweedy and I took a run out to see Des at his farm which was previously known as Des Valley. Heather, Des wife, recalls the Lackenby girls cycling out to visit the area; Jacqui is she right ? The farm turning is just south of the Palm Grove hotel and head east about 14 km. Les is now growing coffee and still only 79 years young ! I have loads of photos which I will post in due course - I am in an internet cafe in Antwerp right now and my computer back home is playing up - something to do with a DNS error - dont know where it came from.

Heather

I ll try to get a Rotary story and photos to U soonest; Will be back home tomorrow night.

Jack WardellClick here to contact me
Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 18:35:18 (UTC)


Ken Miller...
Thank you for sharing ..my thoughts and love are with you..

To the wonderful friends on the GNR who are like family to me.......THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU.....I wish I could take all of you in my arms and say THANK YOU... I am out of hospital for the day and night to spend time with my precious children...including my 21 year old son Darcy who I havent seen for 17 months...(a wonderful surprise !!!)...I am getting stronger everyday......it is so wonderful to have the love that comes from the GNR.....
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 10:28:52 (UTC)


Spam deleted and perpetrator reported to his/her ISP.


Ken,
What to say that has not been said so eloquently by so many others.
My heartfelt sympathy to you and you family.
May the rest of your time together be as special as the years you have had.
God Bless

Agnes

Agnes Watson (née Mcgovern)Click here to contact me
Grays, Essex, England
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 21:16:09 (UTC)


Ken

I have been away for a couple of weeks and have just caught up with the travellers on the GNR. This wonderful site has made me curse, laugh and cry many times. I have read your beautifully written love story amid tears this evening. May your cherished memories light up the road of this sad journey. Tender hugs to Marlene, you and your sons

Jacqui


Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 19:22:30 (UTC)


LUANSHYANS

Do you remember this?

Coronation Day in Luanshya June 2 1953

Ceremonial Arch at Fourth Street Bridge

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Ceremonial Arch in Bougainvillea Avenue, showing the beginning of the canopy of crowns

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The General Offices - by day

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The General Offices - by night

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'The Crown of England' an entry by the Indian Community, which won the prize for the best float in the Carnival Procession

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Some of the Judges of the Carnival Floats. (Left to right): Mrs J Thomson, Mrs S R Malcolmson, Mrs R J Stevens and C A Lamont (Procession Marshall)

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'The Taj Mahal' - winning float of the Indian entries

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'Braemar Castle' - the Caledonian Society's float - leads the procession along Fourth Street

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'The Spirit of Sport' - entered by the Swimming Club

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The Hockey Club's Float

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Scene on the Rugby Ground after the afternoon procession when 1,200 Schoolchildren were served with light refreshments

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Mrs F M N Heath congratulates the captain of the crew of the 'Crown of England' float

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The Band of Luanshya School Cadet Corps leads the March Past the District Commissioner

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As their Loyal Acclamation, the Ngoni dance their Ngoma

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'Britannia' leads the way in the schools' procession on Coronation afternoon. This model of the Queen's recently-launched yacht gained loud applause.

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'Coronation Carnival'

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'The United Kingdom'

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'Dress Through the Ages'

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'Transport Through the Ages'

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'Famous Women Through the Ages'

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Distributing the Roast Ox

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Roasting the Ox. Frank Korunich (left) and Stan Drazic

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Mrs J Thomson opens the Coronation Park in the African Township and receives a basket of flowers from two little African twin girls

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Both Europeans and Africans had their own magnificent fireworks display.

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SCANNED FROM ROAN ANTELOPE MAGAZINE, JULY 1953 EDITION, KINDLY LOANED BY REG HUGHES





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 14:29:53 (UTC)


ALI UPDATE,

I had a pleasant visit with Ali at Greylands Hospital yesterday afternoon. She has gained some of her former spirit and is looking forward to going home, possibly this Friday.

Having spoken to her at length, I find it amazing that she has held out for as long as she has done. Many of her problems still remain, not the least being finances. At least her friends on the GNR have given her a positive outlook on the future.

Thank you to those that have contributed to the fund. I am keeping the address open to the end of the month. If anyone else would like to contribute, email me for information at

gnrforali@hotmail.com

Cheers

John

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 11:35:04 (UTC)


Dear Ken,

I have just read your post.

I also went to Canada where I met my wife who also produced two fine sons. As a GNRian, please accept my heart felt sympathy in your time of sorrow. May you gain strength to embrace the future for you and your sons. My best wishes to
Marlene and may she not be in pain.

Regards

John

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 11:16:36 (UTC)


Ken Miller ....

What a beautiful, touching story,may God bless you all and guide you through this difficult time.

Sue Steyn (née Craig, formerly Baker)Click here to contact me
Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 10:18:49 (UTC)



My goodness Tina your memory is going, after all we have done together, I am sorry.love Johnny.

Your little smile for this morning,

A termite walks into a barroom and asks, "Is the bar tender here?"
Bye for now Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 08:11:26 (UTC)


Forget Rose - who's Johnny?

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 05:42:10 (UTC)


An elderly couple had dinner .....

Yep, that'me!!!!

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, January 13, 2003 at 20:29:53 (UTC)


Ken Miller -

Thank you for enriching my life with those lovely words.

My thoughts are with you all.

Regards
Kris



Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, January 13, 2003 at 14:23:25 (UTC)


Hello to all GNRers

Well Moi Moo is back from throwing herself down an icy mountain in -10oC temperatures, all limbs intact and a new found love for toffee vodkas! 11 days in Val d'Isere over New Year - what a hoot! However, I have now succumed to a horrible runny nose, sneezing, coughing, spluttering and generally cold ridden, so using the 'recovery' time off work to catch up with the Board - just what the doctor ordered - you are a lovely lot!

So, just wanted to say hi to everyone and especially to send a huge healing hug to Ken and family. A very sad time for you all, but such a touching tribute to your lovely wife, you are truly blessed to have found each other in this big world.

Happy Moo Year everyone!
xxxxx





Moira FenwickClick here to contact me
Dorking, Surrey, England
Monday, January 13, 2003 at 12:03:58 (UTC)



Morning campers, this brought a smile to my face I hope it does the same to yours, Regards to all Johnny.
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An elderly couple had dinner at another couple's house, and after eating, the wives left the table and went into the kitchen. The two elderly gentlemen were talking, and one said, "Last night we went out to a new restaurant, and it was really great. I would recommend it very highly."

The other man said, "What's the name of the restaurant?"

The first man knits his brow in obvious concentration, and finally said to his companion, "Aahh, What is the name of that red flower you give to someone you love?

His friends replies, "A Carnation??"

"No. No. The other one" the man says.

His friend offers another suggestion, "The Poppy?"

"Nahhhh, growls the man. You know the one that is red and has thorns."

His friend said, "Do you mean a rose?"

"Yes, Yes that's it. Thank you!" the first man says. He then turns toward the kitchen and yells, "Rose, what's the name of that restaurant we went to last night?


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, January 13, 2003 at 10:37:16 (UTC)


LIFE'S JOURNEY .....

As Marlene and I continue the last few steps of our journey together, I have been comforted by the realization
that there are many others sharing the road with us and that we are not alone.

We have been truly blessed by the kind actions, care and compassion shown by so many friends and family. I will always be indebted to you all, my friends on the GNR for your support. In a high technology world often cold and callous, countless times, care, concern and yes love, have been shown for each other on this electronic highway.

There have been many cherished moments over the last few days. On three occassions, Marlene has pulled out the feeding tube that has been inserted through her nose, while causing concern with the doctors and nurses. Marlene who marches only to her own drum, when I spoke to her about her nasal indiscretions broke into a beaming smile and her eyes lit up obviously pleased with her accomplishments.

Many friends have visited her and she will listen intently to their kind words rewarding them with a smile and at times a seductive wink. Communications are difficult yet love transcends all, having her hold your hand speaks volumns.

On my visits, I tell about who I have spoken with, or who has left a message on the answering machine and now I tell her of the e-mails and messages left by fellow travelers on the GNR. Although we have never met, I am comforted, knowing that we all travel together on this wonderful electronic highway known as the Great North Road. Oh ! that others could travel with us, the World would surely be a better place.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, January 13, 2003 at 03:51:52 (UTC)


Looking for Mike Haile ,of Lusaka.He went to UCT, returned ,and was in Lusaka until the mid 70's.
Youngest of 3 brothers, and son of a District Commissioner.

Geoffrey CochranClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Monday, January 13, 2003 at 03:35:22 (UTC)


Hi Arthur

Hans Matson visited us here in Auckland and took some pictures which he asked me to forward to you for posting on the board.

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The people in the photo are, Hans Matson, Ndola, Gordon, Broken Hill and Nampundwe, and myself Lusaka. I am the one without the beard.

Thanks very much

Amanda McIntosh - Auckland, New Zealand




Noting on the future events advice page of upcoming golf days for ex Ndola golf club members , I'm submitting a photo which belonged to my father, Jim Fraser (bottom right hand), of the members at a "cock of the north day" as a bit of an attention getter for the days. I would imagine that today's players are children of some of those in the photograph. It was probably taken round about the late 1960's early 1970s. Sorry, I'm not sure of the exact date.

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Mrs M A Goodhew - Perth, Western Australia.






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 22:31:09 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume II - No. 2- 1953
(contents as follows)

Memoirs of an Elephant Control Officer (Captain Langham)
Unusual Aspects of Native Land Tenure in the Mazabuka District
Bibliography of Northern Rhodesia - Part II
Memories of Abandoned Bomas- No 4: Nalolo
Early Days Around the Copperbelt
Relics of Cecil John Rhodes in the Rhodes-Livingston Museum
Making the Debenham Cut
Bobo Young Relates his Exploits

Notes: Stone-Age Tool Grinding Sites on Lake Bangweulu / Taking Up Horses to the Northern Province / New Contributors to this Number / Captain RWM Langham MC / Famine in the Old Days / Gervas Clay's Scrapbook / First Records - No 4 The First Mine / Lewanika in England, 1902
Lusaka Natural History Club

Correspondence: Who was Bwana Barush? / Pickering's Mission / Abandoned Bomas / Europ[ean Place Names / The Size of Pythons / Graves at Nyala / Nawalia Boma and Fort Jameson Cannon / Lion versus Motor Car / Which are the Pioneer Years?

Book Reviews
Corrections and Amendments

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 21:56:20 (UTC)


Johnny,

Check at the SA Embassy in London - but I have warned them about you..

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 20:30:17 (UTC)



Jill I still possess my book of life Will I encounter any problems on wanting to return after 12 years away?
Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 16:57:32 (UTC)


Hi Heather,
Great seeing the photograph from Kabwe. The last time I saw Jack Wardell & Dave Murdoch was back in 1970. I saw Dave Tweedie about 20 years ago at an impromptu Kabwe reunion at a pub in England but not since.
I would not have recognised Dave Murdoch & Jack Wardell but Dave Tweedie still looks much the same. Life must have been easier on him.
Part of his job in the mine in Kabwe was to run the sewage farm when I worked in the repair workshops. He used to take great delight bringing in components for repair that had obviously been in contact with his primary material & throwing them on to my desk.
I believe Dave Murdoch still lives in Kabwe.

Regards,

Gil

Gilbert WilsonClick here to contact me
Loughborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 14:52:23 (UTC)


Jimmy,
You can find out about immigration to SA at the SA Embassy
No 12 Ali bin Saleh Street, Sallahadin Quarter, or email them on embriyad@ogertel.com

A resident's permit for retirement in SA costs about R14000

Good Luck,

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 11:59:50 (UTC)


Can anyone tell me if it's true you have to have ten million rand to become a resident of South Africa, as I was thinking of retiring there in the future.

Jimmy ChurchilClick here to contact me
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 08:57:51 (UTC)


Update on Ali Key

Ali is getting the care she needs in hospital and is putting her energies into getting better and stronger. Her children are in contact with her and are enjoying love and support. She thanks you from the bottom of her heart for your kindness.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 03:09:28 (UTC)


Ken - you wrote beautifully and GNR responded , so now you know where to come my friend ,

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 02:38:06 (UTC)


Ken

We are all born for love. It is the principle of existence, and its only end.
Benjamin Disraeli

Arthur & Trish


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 23:47:46 (UTC)


A Big THANK YOU to ARthur for posting the 1954 Rhokana Review item and pics of our 'adventure' trip to Livingstone overnight on the opoen truck.

Ann & Hugh Dunn - we have no idea what happened to them but would be interested if anybody traces Ann, as we shared this experience. ( the Peggs for that matter).

Frederick Knapp must have retired in 1950 as he shared a train compartment down to Capetown with Vic and boarded the Warwick Castle. Frederick Knapp travelled First Class and he invited Vic on a few occasions to have a drink. Vic travelled on his first trip back to the 'old country' for a holiday - and Vic and I met up in Ireland during that period. We were married at the Free Church Kitwe, December 1950.

Alma and Vic

Victor DawsonClick here to contact me
Blockhouse Bay Auckland, New Zealand
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 21:53:35 (UTC)


Ken Miller

You have shared with us a beautiful love story, you are a skilled wordsmith and in only a few words you painted a stunning picture. Your journey has been a rich one and you have much to be thankful for, I wish you well in the final steps of this particular journey, my thoughts are with you and your family.

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 21:51:14 (UTC)


Dear Ken

Your stories have always given us so much pleasure, and in your time of sadness, I hope our good wishes will give you comfort. Take care and try to enjoy the time you have left. God grant you peace.

Lots of love to you both

Fiona

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 21:18:53 (UTC)


Dear Ken,

Your words are so special, and have touched my heart.

Jill


Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 21:03:37 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added Codrington information from Vaughan Burgess and Beth Lloyd (nee Elspeth Robertson) to the Codrington list.
Added six excellent Codrington photographs from Bob Eglinton - they can be accessed along with the other Codrington items from the 'Personal Items - Codrington' area of the main page.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 18:13:37 (UTC)


Hi to all GNR users it is quite a long time since I last posted a message here. Would like to wish you all a very Happy, healthy New Year. Also to add my thanks to those that work so diligently to keep this site going.
Lets hope that we have more people joining this site this year and lots more people find who they are looking for!
I have just returned from Hermanus in the Cape and while I was there we had a visit from Mary York nee Rumbelow. She is now an artist of some standing and still as bubbly as ever. I add this as one never knows who might know her.
To all my friends have a great year
regards to you all

Susan Karalis (née Evans)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 16:16:18 (UTC)


Dynasty looked a winner but the De Kok money was on. He cruised up on the rail and lloked certain to win but didnt go through with it.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 14:48:36 (UTC)



Dear Ken Miller I am sure that I speak for all your friends on the Gnr when we send our heart felt sympathy to you and your two boys, but keep strong in your faith and you will always have those treasured memories to draw on in your hours of need, having been through your situation my self I know exactly what you are going through, as have a few of your friends on the gnr and when you next whisper in her ear tell all her friends say God Bless.
Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 10:37:28 (UTC)


Ken Miller

Words escape me - just want to wish you and Marlene tenderness and compassion in these last days before another part of her journey begins.

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 09:35:08 (UTC)


For the converted lets get things on the road again today.
My huge tip for the year is Dynasty and he runs in the Guineas today in what will be a benefit for him. Only eight other runners had the courage to line up against him and he will be short priced. His last run saw him dispose of this lot in facile fashion so if youre not scred of short odds load up for the Kenilworth 7th race, he will not lose.
If youre like me and prefer the doubles and trebles route, my bets are
Kenilworth 2 Lite The Dynamite
Kenilworth 3 Got the Class
Kenilworth 7 Dynasty
Turfontein 1 Rocking Molly
Turfontein 4 Feet of Flames

Best double Feet of Flames and Dynasty.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 09:16:30 (UTC)


Ken, your story really touched my heart. So beautifully described.My condolences to your family.



Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 09:10:08 (UTC)


Ken,

I'm very sorry. I hope that you, Tom and Scott have the strength and courage to treasure these last moments.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 08:33:27 (UTC)


Ken thank you for sharing with us Marlene of the soft brown eyes and caring heart. We send all our love and support across the miles to you and to Marlene and to your sons and your family. What an special woman you chose. What a life you have shared together.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 08:21:32 (UTC)



Dear Gilly No I am not planning a visit to Ireland but if you possess a tin whistle you can come and see me, but I do believe the required instrument is the flute, I know a girl who has a piccolo I will try and see if she can get some movement this weekend, with the snake that is a little legarthic at the moment.
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I believe the local council has sent FI FI a bill for a special trip to her abode with a 10 ton truck to take away the empty bottles that were piled up outside her front door.
Regards To All Johnny 2 snakes.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 08:01:22 (UTC)


By the way, I bid £50 for Ali's Orca sketch, if I had the pennies it would be a lot more.

Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 05:49:18 (UTC)


Ken
I have just read this love-filled tribute to your wife and I am overcome. My prayers are with you both. Thank you for having the courage to share with us, and for all the times you have been such a support to me in private.



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 04:40:07 (UTC)


JOURNEY'S END ......

Each day we travel down many roads, often sharing the journey with fellow travelers.The GNR is no exception, there is not one of us that has not been moved by the stories and experiences of our fellow travelers. We share the good times and indeed those difficult times.

Since August 11, 1967, when Marlene a ninteen year old Canadian girl and myself the older man at twenty, eloped and started a wonderful journey that has lasted over thirty five years.

This past Christmas,we gathered as a family. Tom our oldest son living in Victoria British Columbia was able to catch a last minute flight on Boxing Day and flew home to Ottawa. Scott our youngest son, serving in the Canadian Army has been on leave for the past three weeks.

Our Christmas dinner was delayed a day allowing the boys to get home to share this special moment. The tree decorated by myself but always under the careful supervision of Marlene was beautiful, being decorated with prized ornaments from Christmases past. The tiny red, green and blue lights gently blinked on and off adding a gaiety to the room. Marlene's ninty year old Aunt Laura was the guest of honour and had baked a calorie filled Black Forest cake. Truly a Christmas to treasure.

On Monday December 30, we returned to reality as Marlene started a new round of chemotherapy for liver cancer. This was Marlene's second challenge with cancer, having had uterine cancer four and a half years ago.

These past five years have been filled with other surgeries,and countless visits to emergency departments at all times of day or night.Yet through all these medical challenges, Marlene kept busy organising fundraiser for medical research, this past year she raised over $ 10,000 (Cdn). The largest event was Operation Pumpkin a halloween dance.

This past Tuesday, Marlene had a massive stroke and was again rushed into hospital, paralysed on her right side and unable to speak. While her brown eyes still show a glimmer, the sparkle is slowly fading as life itself slowly drains from her once vibrant body that now lays helplessly in a sterile hospital bed with no chance of recovery.

The past three nights, I find myself returning to a silent apartment, where once her laughter filled every corner of our home. In my lonliness memories wash over me in gentle comfort as I recall our days together traveling the road of life. How I miss her cheerful voice always encouraging the boys and me,often with humour and yet she could be stern but always with love. Her sweet voice can now only be heard on the telephone answering machine, and this too will fade into memory when I change the message in the next few days, how I hang onto her every word, knowing that once it is erased her voice will truly be lost for ever.

It is now only a matter of time, after sharing the road for these many years, that I know we will stop and each of us will start a new journey. As I start down my new road, I will always carry in my heart the love of Marlene, who is my wife, lover, mentor and best friend who gave me the gift of two wonderful sons.

Although we no longer have lively conversations, I cherish these final moments that I share with her as I recollect the wonderful memories we have shared on our journey. Each time I reluctantly leave her side, I softly whisper in her ear " I love you, thank you for being my wife and thank you for our boys, Tom and Scott". Each kiss, and her gently embrace and caress that she gives with her left arm are gifts that are priceless and yet painful in the realisation that soon we will reach our journey's end.



Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 04:30:16 (UTC)


Thanks to everyone for my birthday wishes yesterday. It was a good one I think, as far as I can remember. The odds for guessing my age, even without looking at my details, are pretty low. No peripheral vision or scars for me....yet! Yes, I look my age and today I feel it! I think I had a good night. I'm going for my beauty sleep now. See you in a few years!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 22:10:41 (UTC)


Fi-Fi
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Happy Birdies to you - belated (sorry). Hmmmm, so you are creative with your age and Linda Lou knows exactly how many glasses of wine make you legless? I am not believing this.
Let us examine the facts - there are no visible scars on the face and you do not have "chamelion vision" as outlined by our resident Dr Grins aka Snake in many forms or many forms of snake!

Obviously Linda Lou has counted the glasses of wine you have partaken of but again I do not believe - was she witness to the mosi's consumed beforehand and was she not inbibing vodka and coke, which by her own declaration, she had not consumed for quite a while?

You have to forgive me - over the Festive season I have watched Columbo, Perry Mason and Ironside and am now a very good detective.

My conclusions are; Fifi (looking good, gal).
The Snake Man: How is your Egyptian Cobra? Hope you are not planning a trip to Ireland!! Guess they don't play the penny whistle in Scarborough.



Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 21:44:23 (UTC)


David,

I think in Johnny's case "hissstory" MUST be the correct answer! Ha! Ha!

Love you, Johnny.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 15:11:47 (UTC)


Broken Hillians

On Wednesday, I took a drive up the Great North Road to Kabwe to meet with Jack Wardell. Here is a photo of him with Dave Tweedie and Dave Murdoch.

Click for image.

Whilst there, I spent some time with Zambia Railways and the Kabwe Council. Next year is the centenary of the establishment of Kabwe as a town and this is the start of my research in order to write a short history of the town. So, over the next few months I shall be spending some of my time poring over the dusty files in their archives - heaven.

Zambia Railways offices are in a lovely old Colonial building which I assumed was the original building that they were housed in. And during my chat with the GM, I found out a couple of interesting bits of information:

Zambia Railways still has shares in the Victoria Falls Hotel. I wasn't aware of this before.
The Bon Accord Hotel in Livingstone was also owned by Rhodesia Railways and then jointly owned by Zambia Railways and National Railways of Zimbabwe. It was recently sold to the Zambian Government who are now using it as a hostel for the Army. But I now know exactly where it is situated and since I am hoping to get down to Livingstone, I might be able to take some photos of it.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 11:50:58 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

January 10th, 2003:
  • Some minor site updates to tidy a few things up. The links page has been updated to remove or fix dead links. The form for submitting new links has also been fixed -- it has been broken for some time due to a change I made a while ago, but I had not noticed my oversight. If you have submitted suggestions for the links page and have wondered why I never added them, please submit them again as I probably never received your original submission.
  • Similarly the same change rendered the form on the events page inoperable. This has also been fixed. If you have submitted an event in the past and you never heard back from me and the event was not posted, please resubmit.
  • Some minor changes were made to the format of the messages sent through the Names Directory that allow you to read your message without paging through mountains of verbosity before getting to what you really want to read.
  • Sticking with verbosity, the verbiage on the "Looking For..." page was moved to the bottom of the page. Additionally, links are provided to the entries of the members looking for people as well as links to their contact forms.
  • Fixed (again) the broken links on the home page to the "Flags of the World" site that has information about the Northern Rhodesian and Zambian flags.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 10:05:52 (UTC)



Good Morning Campers. I hope this brings a little smile to your faces this morning Regards Johnny.
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Once upon a time, a blonde became so sick of hearing blonde
jokes that she had her hair cut and dyed brown. A few days
later, as she was driving around the countryside, she stoppedher car to let a flock of sheep pass. Admiring the cute woollycreatures, she said to the shepherd, "If I can guess how many sheep you have, can I take one?"
The shepherd, always the gentleman replied, "Of course."
The blonde thought for a moment and for no discernible reason said, "352."

This being the correct number, the shepherd was,understandably,totally amazed and exclaimed, "You're right! O.K., I'll keep to my end of the deal. Take your pick of my flock."

The blonde carefully considered the entire flock and finally
picked one that was by far cuter and more playful than any of the others.

When she was done, the shepherd turned to her and said, "O.K.,now I have a proposition for you. If I can guess your true hair colour, can I have my dog back?
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 08:16:31 (UTC)



While on the subject of hearses:

A passenger in a Zambian taxi tapped the driver on the shoulder to ask him something. The driver screamed, lost control of the cab, nearly hit a bus, drove up over the curb, and stopped just inches from a large plate glass window. For a few moments everything was silent then the driver said, "please, don't ever do that again. You scared the living daylights out of me".
The passenger, who was equally frightened, apologized and said he didn't realize that a tap on the shoulder could frighten him so much, to which the driver replied, "I'm very sorry, it's really not your fault at all. Today is my first day driving a taxi - I've been driving a hearse for the last 25 years."

Have a good day!



David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 07:20:17 (UTC)


Robert

Re your suggestion, surely 'hisssss and hearse' or 'hisssstory' would be more appropriate ?????

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 07:01:12 (UTC)


Precisely, Robert!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 06:16:27 (UTC)


Hey Linda
How do you know she put the right date on it. She tends to be pretty creative!!


Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 05:52:07 (UTC)


Fiona
Happy Birthday from me also!

John
Thanks for organizing help for Alix!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 04:12:18 (UTC)


Arthur:
If you don't mind my butting in, the answer to your question to Jill re the 'slang' for a 'dead one' will be...

hissssss!

(think on it...remember the boomslang, for example.
Brushing up one's Afrikaans, not my specialty, I admit)

Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 01:25:56 (UTC)


Oi, Sue!
Since Fiona's date of birth is in the names directory, it would not be a fair bet. How about if we guess how many glasses of wine it takes to make her motherless, instead? No.. wait.. I know the answer to that one too. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, January 10, 2003 at 00:01:37 (UTC)


Ali and Family

In addition to donations if you happen to be one who believes in the power of prayer please be actively praying for this situation.

Non-prayers please gloss over this message.

Thanks all.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 19:55:02 (UTC)


Fluffy Fi Fi!

We NEVER forgot. Happy birthday to a wonderful person. Hope U have a great day with lots of suprises! We will be thinking of U.

Gary, Tash & Scott. XXXXXXXXX

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 19:38:10 (UTC)


Happy Birthday Fiona!!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 12:23:54 (UTC)


RE ALI KEY

Oops.....the address is:

gnrforali@hotmail.com I will respond to your query or pledge with banking details etc

Thanks

John M

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 12:21:55 (UTC)


Wishing FIONA a very happy birthday - hope you have a good one!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 12:07:51 (UTC)


RE ALI

The pledge address that Tina mentioned is a hotmail address, not a web site, so you just have to send me an email at that address. The password is not required

Thanks

John Milton

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 11:54:33 (UTC)


Anybody wanna know Fiona's age??
I will take bids starting from 50 pounds. All proceeds to go to the GNR. How about that Arthur??


Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 11:30:10 (UTC)


APPEAL FOR ALIX KEY AND FAMILY

Our GNR artist Ali has been under massive financial strain which emotionally landed her in hospital at the beginning of this week. As many of you know she is a single mother without close family, and has three girls aged nine, eleven and sixteen. The children are comfortable with a loved neighbour at this time.

John Milton, GNR Perth, is seeing what might be done to turn things around. The family needs an initial injection of cash to get back on their feet.

If everyone who feels moved to do so would be willing even to send a few bob collectively it could make a world of difference.

John Milton has asked that you contact him to make a pledge and he will let you know where to send the money.

Please go to www.hotmail.com

type in: gnrforali

password: zambia

and add your message. If you have problems accessing that system for any reason please contact him through the GNR.

Thanks, all of you for your support.

Ali is currently in Royal Perth Hospital, Wellington Street, Perth, but may be moved tomorrow or soon after to a hospital nearer her home.

I have spoken to her and she is frail and embarrassed but sends her love and overwhelming gratitude for our support.





Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 11:01:55 (UTC)



Many Happy Returns Of The Day Dear FIONA you kept it very quiet I wonder why? Love Johnny.x

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 10:46:50 (UTC)


MESSAGE TO FAMONA

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Famona
Happy Birthday to you

Love from Ffoeg, Nasus, Nevets and Alemap

Sue Moffat (née Corbishley)Click here to contact me
Sydney, Australia
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 10:44:51 (UTC)


Fifi!!!

Have a WONDERFUL birthday!

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 10:40:36 (UTC)


HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOOFY! Hope you have a brilliant day, lots of fantastic pressies and many more birthdays to come.
Love n hugs,
Mo
xxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxooxxo

Moira SteevensClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 10:10:31 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY FI (Fiona Gayther)
- caught up with me at last - reached the great old age of ????????

Have a brilliant day - see you tonight

love Diane

Diane Sewley (née Longman)Click here to contact me
Bristol, United Kingdom
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 08:09:53 (UTC)


After perusing the academic discussion with interest and pondering the learned scientific explanations here is my 2 ngwee's worth.

Johnny's pet nyoka is definitely a puff adder. The characteristics speak for themselves.

It lies around some of the time probably just soaking up the sun (when there isn't an officer of the law nearby) refusing to be moved or provoked thus giving the impression to some that it has passed to the happy hissing grounds.

When it is sufficiently roused and provoked it puffs and acts threateningly and can deliver a wallop of a bite.

Johnny you might print off Heather's picture of the puff adder and examine it against your snake under a good light to see if it has similar markings. That would also help you make the identification for sure.

Hoping this helps!

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 06:08:47 (UTC)


Sex Education sort of...

My 12yr old son announced this week that his science teacher has begun the dreaded sex education unit at school. It would appear that our schools here in the States leave no stone unturned in the pursuit of educating our children about the human body and its functions. Good for them, I say, since speaking for myself, I would have welcomed enlighted information at 12 yrs old. I was a single parent child at that age, with only poor old dad to try to help me understand that I was not possessed by demons but merely going through the natural changes a young girl of 12 will encounter as she matures. (In retrospect, he may have eaten his words when I became a teenager..)

Tim has very seriously shared with his father the minute details of what happens to boys as they become young men, but was a bit hesitant to discuss the information he had been given about what happens to young girls around this age. Trying to handle the situation with the appropriate amount of decorum, (read.. passing the buck), my husband suggested I try to find an opportunity to raise the topic and be available for questions afterwards.

As luck would have it, just such an opportunity presented itself today, while I had young Tim captive in my car on the way back from the dentist. He hesitantly began to tell me that he had learned "some gross stuff" about girls this week and had some questions. He said that some of the girls were really embarrassed that the boys had intimate information about their maturing process, and wearing bras, etc., and he wondered if I felt that way too when I was 12. Thinking I would be very clever, I decided to put him at ease and tell him about the "double-barrelled slingshot" story. Forgive me. I have told this tale before on the GNR, but repeat it here to put you in the conversation between mother and son today. I told him about the incident when I was 12, and was very humiliated because I was the first one in my class at Kitwe Primary to get the dreaded bra. My father dragged me to the fancy dress store in Kitwe, and I had to do all the stupid things like bend over so I would fit the cup properly, etc. Totally humiliating for a tomboy like myself. As if to add insult to injury, that night my favourite show on TV, "The Beverley Hillbillies" featured the episode where Jethro discovers Elli Mae's bra and thinks it is a double-barrelled slingshot and uses it very hilariously to try to nail a squirrel in their back yard.

I told Tim that the next day, some smart arse at school came up to me and twanged my bra and loudly asked me if I was wearing a double-barrelled slingshot, to the howls of laughter from the other boys around. Not a good thing to say or do.. I kicked his legs out from under him and left him slumped in humiliation, again to the howls of his mates.

Tim laughed and so I thought I had put him at ease. Turning to him, I said that was something I remembered very well about that stage of my maturity and did he have any questions I could answer. He looked at me for a second, and I steeled myself internally for what was coming. "Well, I do have one question," he says, looking a bit perplexed. "Did Jethro tape that bra to a stick to make it a slingshot?"

Maybe I should wait until he is 13 to bring this up again... he! he!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 02:42:15 (UTC)


Jilly

I was not taking the proverbial out of Johnny!

So what is slang for a "dead one" in your part of the world?


Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 23:34:56 (UTC)


Arthur,
That's really mean - but very funny - and Fiona and Linda also have their living organism Latinised names wrong - even after ny lesson? Go figure?

After reading of their experiences with Johnny's very rare, very precious snake - me thinks Johnny's snake speaks with forked tongue.

I am trying desperately to find in my reference books the common name for a snake that is (Snakus limpus patheticus, sometimicus erecticus; subspecies bitongueus) - the closest I have got is the dead one-eyed blind worm.... (usually lives in the dark and is the only vegetarian snake - it eats mushrooms.)
Sorry, Johnny.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 21:59:53 (UTC)



Jilly, All right clever clogs,Arthur I am afraid your assumption would not stand up in court, and Linda you must suffer from hallucinations as I remember you remarked that you had never seen a livelier specimen but there again the amount of vodka and coke you had consumed you could have been seeing several snakes that night, The saga of the snakes is now over, Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 21:50:55 (UTC)


Linda

Johnny must have two snakes then because the one he showed me in Banbury was definitely Snakus Erectus. He will, from now on, be known as "Johnny Two Snakes". (he wishes!. Please, don't anyone put anymore lead in either of them - he's hard enough to cope with already!

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 21:34:50 (UTC)


Johnny
We must be talking about different pet snakes you own. The one you showed me in Banbury was definitely from the Limpus Patheticus variety. Thanks for at least giving me the opportunity of a pet, although it was a crying shame it chose to remain cold and asleep at the time. Luv ya!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 17:25:42 (UTC)


Arthur

The Dunns didn't have any children.

Re: Mrs Five Moo Cows has just come back from skiing! No doubt you will hear from her in due course.

I will email Lynda and remind her about the photos, but I think she gave a load to Grant Knowles for scanning and posting!

Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Dorking, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 16:58:36 (UTC)


Jilly

You're talking about living organisms.

Johnny's talking about a dead one.

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 16:50:52 (UTC)


Johnny,

You and precious reptile are in the cactus - you spelt Her (Heather's) name wrong - again, and you don't know how to write scientific names of living organisms. Only the first part of the name is allowed a capital letter, and it is not a Latin name, it is a "Latinised" name, all started by Lynnaeus of Uppsala, Sweden, (who was the first person to categorise living things by giving them family, genus species names etc) - we have one of his mates on the GNR.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 16:43:33 (UTC)



Arthur I forgot to comment on CJs denial that that was him walking past the big tree in 1954, you state that he was 25 years of age then, it was only in 1959 that i was involved in the building of the Elephants Head Hotel where on his own addmission in a previous write up he addmitted that he used to creep up on a roof and peek through the skylights at the tassel tosser (when he was a lighty) that performed there in what I would have thought was around 1962, that would have made him around 30+years of age at the time i don't think so you may swallow his cods wallop but not me,as for him organising a p--up in Cape Town He will be finding it a little difficult at 74 years of age.Regards to all especially my mate Charlie.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 16:08:06 (UTC)



Arthur I was not invited to that dinner so I never met any of them except commissioner Fforde and that was on one occasion he visited Chingola but strangely enough one of the Zam dectectives that worked along side me for quite a few years became the first commissioner of the Zambian police after independence he was a good man and a very astute detective.
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Jilly you ask the name of my snake, it is not a very well known name and is very valuable to me, and I have had it for some considerable time now, I only know its latin name it is Intrusivo Beddio Snakio and I can assure you that Chalcroft woman is not going to get her hands on it or a gun anywhere near it, but if she softens her attitude to snakes before Sept I may let her stroke it a little.
Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 15:26:16 (UTC)



This tittled me a man by the name of Dave Barry view on face lifts.

This [the facelift] is the procedure wherein the plastic surgeon
perks up your face by standing behind you, pulling your skin back
on both sides of your head until the front is nice and tight, and
then attaching the flaps of excess skin to the back of your head
with a staple gun. Sure it stings, but the visual effect is
stunning, as you are miraculously transformed from a person with
bags and wrinkles into a person whose eyes appear to be just
slightly too far apart. In fact, if you get repeated facelifts,
your eyes will gradually migrate around to the side of your head, carp-like, and you will experience a real bonus in the peripheral-vision department."

Regards to all Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 10:02:17 (UTC)


Arthur

Thanks for the picture of the FKS cadets. We all look so young! I must have been about 15 at the time. Wonder where Robin Griffin and Paul Potter are - last I heard was England and Australia respectively - must ask Skatie Fourie who keeps in touch with many old Northern Rhodesians.

Thanks again for the great work you are doing.

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 07:10:29 (UTC)


Phew, Artie. That was a close shave! I thought for one terrified moment you were posting a picture of my favourite policeman on the Copperbelt, Inspector Patel. It may take a while, but I think I can pull myself together enough to sleep okay tonight. Do you suppose he kept a collection of the assorted undergarments he confiscated from poor unsuspecting young ladies he caught in the glare of his torch at night in Kent Avenue Park? Oops... of course, I only heard rumours of this. They say that one can truly appreciate the emotion a deer caught in the headlights of a car after having a similar encounter with Patel. If you ask me, I would say it was more akin to croc hunting at night. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 05:30:21 (UTC)


Talking of snakes and pistols..
Long ago my toy fox terrier found a snake in the kids sand box and barked hysterically for our attention. My late husband bounded out the house in his pajamas brandishing a .38 and started shooting. After one shot with the adder still standing up, neck flared, he lay down on his stomach, took careful aim quite close to the snake and shot again... still nothing....shot again...nothing. The snake didn't budge and by this time I was laughing. The gardener, who was very impressed at the gun at first...fell down on the ground laughing. Husband swearing emptied his gun towards the unfazed snake and had to beat the snake senseless with a branch instead. Examining the snake after the event we discovered that the shots were going straight through the flared flesh around his stretched neck which didn't do a damned thing. What a fuss! There was the noise from the gun, the dog going insane, my son crying and the gardener and I killing ourselves laughing.

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 02:28:28 (UTC)


Glenda

I will look for more info or pics of the Dunns for you, was there an Adrian Dunn?

When you next talk to your Mom ask her to give your sis a kick on the shins - I was promised plenty of photos some time way back - I think she has forgotten, I haven't.

What's happened to your other sis - the floozie from the dorp of Dorking?


Carole

I can sort you leg out - you need to deal with this like you would a snake bite, I volunteer to suck the pellet out.

Have a good holiday in - ? I thought it was only Gary Glitter that went there?


Johnny

I had an e-mail retort from CJ refuting the claim it was he in that photo of the big tree taken sometime in 1954.

Naah couldn't have been him he was around 25 then. I think he remains quiet thinking we've forgotten all about the Capetown Caper he was organising sometime, someday, whenever...

Johnny did you know any of these policemen?

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Jilly

Ask that gun toting Chalcraft Woman to tell you how she can, on her own, get a large gang of waiting robbers out of a baobab tree and running for their lives without firing a shot in anger. She just walks up to them and tells them to go away, and they do. I am not sure if it's the words she uses or just the fact she waves the gun around in a wicked way.

Alma & Vic

Thanks for the e-mail and the attached story I received this morning - I will get it on the site as soon as I can.

Meantime I found this

Click for image.


Dave Gray

I will look for some shots of Doris Harvey in the next batch of Rhokana Reviews I scan through, should be some about. I found this in Guy Hobb's batch of mags. Is this you? I know the other "Guy".

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There is a large article on Frederick Knapp school from where I copied those photos. One day when I have time I will get that typed up for the GNR and post it with some other photos taken back then. According to the article Frederick Knapp retired in 1951

This goes very much against the grain however, FK was "the enemy" when I was living in Nkana, I went to Riverain instead, Nkana East of course.


Ian

Thanks for the latest update on nrzam

You disappointed me ! I searched your site expecting the latest lowdown on Heather but could find nothing on her which I could use at a later date. Ag.

Northerners - you are really missing out big time if you don't go for a surf round Ian Singers site. There are loads of brilliant articles and photos there that will keep you busy for hours.


Arthur


And as I thought might happen we've started to get the "mine's bigger" brigade interested, here's a contribution from Bill Hunt.




Hi Arthur

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Heather has to be challenged regarding relative size of snakes!!

Best Wishes for 2003 & thanks for all your & the politburo's efforts.

Bill Hunt - Widenham, Natal, South Africa



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 00:34:34 (UTC)


Happy Belated New Year everyone!!!

Arthur

Thanks for the pictures. That picture of the travellers to Bulawayo - two faces jumped out. They were of the Dunns, does anyone know what happened to Ann? I know Hughie died many years ago. They were great friends of the family, and I know my mom would love to hear of Ann. Can anyone help??

I always wondered why Frederick Knapp was named so, but thanks to you I now know!!



Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Dorking, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 19:10:36 (UTC)


All you men can think of is shooting your guns (no pun intended!!)
All this talk reminds me of a day when I was at Russell Boosey's house and 4 of us decided to go rat shooting in the bushes behind the kaya (where Russell used to sleep!). There was Russell, Adrian Lawlor, myself and I think Ernie Bookbinder (one of the Canadian contingents children). Russell had a pellet gun but it wasn't a rifle - more like a hand held gun. He had been shooting into the bushes for a while, killing rats, when Adrian asked if he could have a go. The gun was duly handed over and as Adrian was looking at it and figuring it out, he accidentally fired it - straight into the back of my right calf. I fell down, passed out and was duly carried to the car and they whisked me off to Rhokana Hospital. My leg was x-rayed and bandaged and I was sent home on a crutch which I had to use for 2 weeks. The pellet had lodged behind my shin bone and it is still there to this day! Apparently it would have made a mess of my leg if they had taken it out as the pellet went in at an acute angle.
Call me peg leg if you will!!!
By the way, I'm off to Phuket, Thailand on Sunday for a holiday with my other half. Can't wait to see some sunshine for a change. Bye for now.

Carole



Carole Evans (née Bruce)Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 17:16:25 (UTC)


Johnny,

What kind of snake is it? I'd be a bit scared to bring it to Livingstone if I were you, but it might perk Up a bit in warmer climes. Pity that gun-toting Chalcraft Woman will be there too.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 17:15:13 (UTC)



Sorry Buddy our messages crossed, it was just one afternoon we were in the bath together and I was totally relaxed that she was referring too,and with my snake at the moment in hibernation, (enforced) but I know when he comes to again he will be fit and strong again, thanks for standing up for me Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 13:59:02 (UTC)



Sorry Craig I missed the c off code but with there being an ode to guns on the previous pages I thought I had better clarify things I still would like to know where you think the extinct morality code would have been applicable Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 13:47:24 (UTC)


I was trying to stand up (no pun intended) for your honour, Johnny.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 11:49:17 (UTC)



Craig when recently have we needed the ode? Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 10:49:41 (UTC)



Dear Jilly I winced a little when she described what she would do to my poor snake, and you would laugh if your bum was on fire, and as for the last sentence in her poem she must have caught me on a bad day.Love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 10:47:04 (UTC)


Where's the Code of Conduct when you need it?


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 10:43:46 (UTC)


Craig, Craig, who's ever so slow
'What gun?' he wants to know.

Kill a snake with a .22
That is something we can do
Or we have a revolver
Which is a great problem-solver
Or even a .38
But for snakes they're not that great.

This we time had some fun
And used a double-barrel shotgun.
After which it began to sag and flop
And to the ground it did drop.

Limp and flaccid, 'twas a sight to be seen
Reminded me of Johnny Green

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 10:32:24 (UTC)


Then again, maybe he was a lousy shot. :)


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 09:35:57 (UTC)


Only two shots? I think my dad used all the ammo he had on a cobra one day. He was using a .22. What were you using?


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 09:35:33 (UTC)


Lead poisoning. Lead poisoning? With a syri...? Oh, I get it!


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 09:34:27 (UTC)


Johnny,

That Chalcraft Woman doesn't mince her words, does she? I nearly fell off my chair laughing, still giggling!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 08:55:15 (UTC)


Johnny

No, it wasn't very happy - the photos were taken after we had given it two shots of lead poisoning. But did you notice the venom still dripping out of its fangs? And the photo was taken a full fifteen hours after it had been shot.

And this one we didn't try to catch because they are very fast moving and extremely venomous. But I did give instructions that it was not to be shot in the head because I wanted a photograph.

Of course, if your snake were to become fast moving, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it in the head. And I doubt very much whether I would want a photograph of it.

The Dynamites and Club Dynamique

Does anyone remember The Dynamites and Club Dynamique?

Take a look at Dutch Connection and then follow the link to Shake Spears

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 06:33:07 (UTC)


Bill Hunt

Quite correct Bill, Fred Knapp drove around in a brown
Model A Ford. His great interests in life were cricket and fishing. The newspaper cartoon which appeared in the Northern News at the time of his retirement showed his old Ford parked on the Kafue river bank with Fred all padded up sitting next to it fishing, with the line tied to his cricket bat.

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, January 06, 2003 at 19:46:11 (UTC)


re: Fredrick Knapp

Does anyone remember the type of vehicle that headmaster Fred used to chunter around in?
I recall that it may have been a model A Ford?
Happy New year to all GNRers

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Monday, January 06, 2003 at 18:35:20 (UTC)



Dear Heather he does not look a very happy snake were the pics of his open mouth taken before or after you clocked him one? if it was after that will account for the lack of jollity in his expression, but you must never forget they do not expire until the sun goes down, but I suppose I am telling my grandmother how to suck eggs there, love to you
Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, January 06, 2003 at 16:56:07 (UTC)


Heather
Thank you for sharing those pictures with us....
just love these snakes you post us......keep posting...

Ali....."the Herpe !!!" (nah just love all reptiles )

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, January 06, 2003 at 11:43:09 (UTC)


Africa's Most Feared Snake

A few more pictures of one of our snakes; unfortunately dead this time.

a Black Mamba which was in the garage yesterday.

95 inches (2.37 metres) long and 5.5 inches (13.75 cm) circumference.

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, January 06, 2003 at 10:34:10 (UTC)


Arthur

Many thanks for the brilliant scans of Guy Hobbs' old Rhokana Reviews (Thanks Guy!) Couldn't help the irrational feeling of terror when I opened up the picture of Frederick Knapp. He was certainly a headmaster to be obeyed instantly. I seemed to be struck dumb every time he addressed me ! I recall about a year after he retired to Yorkshire, our class teacher Mrs. Doris Hervey (now there was a great teacher)had us all write letters to him telling him of happenings at school. These letters were duly posted to him and the poor chap no doubt read the lot. For weeks afterwards I anticipated receiving my letter back from him with some comment like 5/10 'Could do better' attached. Doris, husband Ronald and son Hilton moved to Kafue to farm and Doris taught at the Kafue school. Are you out there somewhere Hilton ? Doris and Ronald moved to Kenton-on-Sea (Southern Cape-South Africa) where they passed on in ± 1978 within a few months of each other. Does anyone know anything more about Frederick Knapp?

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, January 06, 2003 at 07:39:38 (UTC)


A Happy New Year to you all!

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added selected items from Zambia Magazine April 1966 - Cover, Design for Zambia's University, In brief.., Nkandabwe Coal Mine, Lusaka grows apace. See Brian Barratt's section.

Added to Gil Wilson's section: Zambian Rugby Union Fixture List and Handbook for 1971. Also Broken Hill Mine RFC Membership Card and Fixture List.

Added quite a lot of information from Tony Chowles, Bob Eglinton,Heather Chalcraft and Margie Martin (nee Ellison) to the Codrington Pupils List. As well as information about themselves there is mention of Cynthia and Micky Ellison, the Slabbert family, the Luden twins, Pete Lourens, Kenny Eva, Guy Davidson, Moira Buchanan, Eve Newham, Neil Shenton, Alick Goveia and Carol Eglinton

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 22:33:34 (UTC)



Arthur thanks for all the work you have put in to show us all those pics from 54 I remember sitting out side the pub at Kapiri a regular stop on the way down the line, I was a little hesitant about opening the pics of ;Broken Hill in case I caught something nasty but I threw caution to the winds and did open them they were great and I enjoyed them
very much especially the one of young Cartmill coming past the big tree, he can't have been coming from peeping at the tassel tosser through the windows of the Elephant Head hotel as it was not built then, but you you can bet your life he had been engaged in some nefarious activity by the guilty look on his face, but all the pics brought back great memories and I am looking forward to seeing more in future episodes and thanks to the gent who has lent us his coveted copies of the journal. Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 21:06:43 (UTC)


REGGIE'S NEW YEAR MESSAGE ....


Reginald Swinton-Jones

Saturday, January 04, 2003 4:28 PM

(No subject)


Dear Miller,

First and foremost let me wish each and everyone on the Great North Road a belated jolly good new year for 2003.

Craig Haircut, Heather Shalecroft and that other chap living in England are to be congratulated for thier editorial stand to allow freedom of the press. Indeed we all have responsibilities to ensure that what we submit is within the bounds of decency and in no way written in a manner to offend others.

Unfortunately I missed the new year shindig atthe club.I am told that the gin and "T"s lossened up a few inhabitions and the evening ended when a number of party participants diving naked into the club pool.Tubby Arbuckle's performance of a dive bomber was too much for
the Rev.John Thomas,who was not amused and in particular when someone compared Tubby's aquatic performance to the parting of the Red Sea.

This past week I have been on tour around the district, checking the bicycle licences. In 2002 the colour was green, this year it is red, and some bounder has been selling the old licence plates having painted them red then selling them for half price.I have instructed
Inspector Bobby Copps of the NRP to track down the bounder and I can assure you that when caught he will be a guest of Her Majesty at Kasama Prison.

I regret that I must end this missive. Twostrong Bwalya my trusty runner has arrived from Chinsali and advises me that the flag pole at the Boma in Chinsali has been chopped down as a form of political protest. I will of course keep you informed as to this dastardly deed.

Yours in Her Britannic Majesty's service.

Reginald Swnton-Jones, O.B.E., D.S.O. and Scar, R.S.V.P.
District Commissioner
Chinsali, Northern Rhodesia


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Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 19:36:32 (UTC)


Frederick Knapp Kindergarten, Felix Henrichsen and Standard One, Byron Henrichsen jumped straight out the picture at me.
Byron passed on in 1990 while Felix is alive and working for Piggot Maskew.Felix as most of you know lost his beloved wife Joyce last year.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 16:45:31 (UTC)


Northerners !

Some of you may have read old timers Alma and Vic Dawson's brilliant story "The Letter" posted on the Message Board on the 6th October 2002.

Having started on the second stages of preparing to scan more old Rhokana Reviews I came across Alma and Vic's story once again in the August 1954 issue.

So for Alma and Vic especially:

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Alma and Vic have sent me another story to be published on the GNR describing their overland trip from Algiers to Northern Rhodesia - I will put this on the new GNR when ready.


Some of you may also be interested in these images I came across:

Frederick Knappers c1954

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More Nkana Kitwe stuff

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......... and some bits for the Broken Hillbillies

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All images from the Rhokana Review 1954 - magazines on loan to the GNR from Guy Hobbs


Notice the Prince of Wales instead of handing out a gold medal or some other tat, is giving a tray of miniatures as the prize. Seems very apt for the location I spose, and for HRH a big saving, especially as all of the miniatures have Rhodesian Railways printed on the labels.

When I last came back from Oz on British Airways my brother and I managed to come off the plane with about 10 litres each of these miniatures, all the drinks were free, so we just kept asking for more, the stewardess couldn't understand how we got off the plane upright. Now thats duty free.

It would appear Broken Hill celebrated it's 50th year in 1954 and there is quite a large story to go with the images above, this I will type out later and put onto the new GNR site in time for the 2004 BH Centenary Year - together with the images above and a few others I can get hold of. If anyone has any old or new photos of Broken Hill - Kabwe they would like to be included for posterity please contact me. I intend to make this display on its own and separate page on the new site so if you also would like to contribute any written material of your own please also let me know.

I also have a CD with the Broken Hill Brochure 1957 completely digitised (courtesy Chris and Ada Cantrell) this I will release for free to any contributors who would like one. No it is quite interesting - really.

CJ - I noticed that there's a kid on the street again in the shot of the Big Tree - perhaps looking out for a car to pass by sometime - is that you - or yet another cardboard cut-out?


Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 15:03:45 (UTC)


Northerners...

Ed Goldberg posted the following interesting tidbit on Indaba. There are 20 NR news reels as well.

"The Pathe News Film Archive is now on-line at:

http://www.britishpathe.com

It is possible to download free previews of their newsreels. This is an on-line archive of old newsreels and these newsreels played in cinemas from 1910 to 1970, providing the primary method of viewing the news stories of the first half of the twentieth century. If you do a search with the word "Rhodesia" you will see that they have nearly 200 newsreels with something about Rhodesia. I downloaded one of the freebies from the mid 60s and if you can ignore the preview label across the centre it is very interesting. To avoid future spam I used a fake name and e-mail address when registering but still had instant access to the entire library."



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 01:06:47 (UTC)


WHOOOPS !!!!...LIVINGSTONE BASH....

After a couple of e-mails and a quick visit to the Board, it would appear to be some confusion as to the pricing I quoted for the Livingstone Bash.

Trust me, when I originally sent the message the pricing was in neat rows under a heading of Pound Shillings and
Pence.

In the way of clarification, Item (1) is 229 Pounds 18 Shillings and no Pence, Item # (4) would be 4 shillings and 1 Penny. The rest you can work out for yourselves.

All the best.

Ken.

p.s I did not quote the price for Biltong.However this morning while at the butchers I picked up 100grams of Biltong for $ 5.50 (Canadian) or $ 55.00 per Kilo a mere 25 Pounds, which in 1964 would have bought a one way ticket by rail first class from Lusaka to Cape Town. The actual fare was 24 Pounds 7 Shillings and 10 Pence. Excuse me while I go and lock my little stash of Biltong in the family vault.

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 20:42:52 (UTC)


Four out of five tips arrived with the loser getting overruled on an objection and unlucky.
Hope someone got the cash......I did.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 16:09:39 (UTC)


Dear Heather

Thanks so much for your wild Flame Lilies on 31st Dec. Here are some expats from Australia, wishing they were home.

Happy New Year to you and all!!

Cheers
Bob Allan

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 08:44:41 (UTC)


Two good things today at Kenilworth
1st Antonia's Law
8th Zolaroyale

Throw Angus in the 7th into doubles and trebles as he wont get a penalty for winning this race in the Met.

Turfontein looks tricky as the new track opens and it will be interesting to see the tactics employed on this Gosforth Park -like track.
Arabian Secret and Set Afire look each way chances.

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 08:28:58 (UTC)



Dear Linda and Mike Many Happy Returns Of The Day.
Johnny.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 08:23:57 (UTC)


Sandra
Thanks for the anniversary greetings. You would think after 17 yrs, the man would know which direction to run. Ha! Ha! I think it must be the fact that he is a farm boy from Nebraska, raised to stay the course, no matter what. And Lord knows the poor soul got far more than he bargained for. I suppose I'll have to keep him, especially since I have just discovered the most beautiful vase of humongous red roses he was hiding in the garage for tomorrow.

Heather
Thanks so much for the photos of Musungwa!! They were an unexpected treat. I thought it had closed down for some reason, after the Evans family left. I have another amusing story connected to Musungwa. While it was still under construction, Terry Hinton (M.D. of T.G. Travel at the time) and myself flew down in a small plane on an inspection trip. Our pilot was a Spaniard, I believe. Really interesting character, whose eyelashes were so long that when he opened his eyes, they touched his eyebrows. There was just a dirt runway at the time, with no landing lights, so we knew we had to be gone before dusk on the way back. Mark Evans drove us back out to the airstrip in a VW Combi, but when we arrived, there were about a dozen lionesses, lazily dozing around the plane. Not right at the plane, but about 20 yards or so away. As we pulled up, Mark took a look at his watch and mumbled something about being in trouble. He took a few runs at the group, who would get up as he approached and swagger off into the trees, only to reappear again as we drove off. It was probably dinner time... The poor Spaniard was getting very agitated and wanted to get going with his pre-flight inspection, but the cats were in no great hurry to move. Finally, after trying to get them to retreat numerous times, Mark gave up and suggested that he drive really close to the plane, and we would climb out onto the roof of the combi and get into the plane as quickly as we could. I, of course, needed no prodding. But the pilot was bound and determined to do his pre-flight check. Very adamant that he was not taking off without the inspection. Terry and I were as quick as blue skops over hot coals and into the plane's safety, while the pilot began walking around the plane and checking the wheels. Mark, by this time, is also agitated and yelling at the pilot to forget that and get into the plane before it is too dark to take off. Just then, one of the lionesses let out a really loud roar (or bored yawn) and stood up. You would have thought the pilot had a puff adder in his underpants! He shot off the ground like he had bounced on a trampoline, it seemed, and he was in that plane before you could say, "UH!" When I stopped laughing long enough to look behind us, Mark was gone in a trail of dust, and the pride were still laying around lazily. When I told my kids that story, in true American style they asked if his eyelashes really touched his eyebrows.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 06:11:18 (UTC)


LIVINGSTONE BASH .......

Good news for all you hearty travelers that are planning on attending the Livingstone Bash later this year.

I have done some research and am pleased to provide you with some pricing that will assist you with your budget.

Pounds Shillings Pence

(1) Air Fare London Lusaka return 229 18 00
Economy Class

First Class 440 16 00

(2) Air Fare Lusaka Livingstone 14 05 00
return

(3) Rail 1st Class Lusaka to 07 14 00
Livingstone Return


(4) Those planning to motor the 04 01
average price of a gallon of
petrol

(5) Accommodations in one of 38 rondavals 07 06
near the Falls per night per adult
( without bedding ) Bedding can be
hired. outside fireplaces provided
for cooking.

(6) Anti-malaria tonics.
Scotch 26oz 01 11 00
Gin 26oz 01 07 03
Brandy 26oz 01 07 03
12 Castle Lager 01 01 00

(7) Those wishing to go on Safari 600 00 00
the cost vary between per week and
950 00 00

Cost for non hunters 250 00 00

Breakfast is served at 4:30 am
and the Safari moves of at 5:00 am

I assure you that my information is accurate as I have quoted from " A Handbook to the Republic of Zambia" published by Zambia Information Services in June 1964. We all know we can trust the government.

Ken



Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 00:36:43 (UTC)


HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

Ken Miller,

Thanks so much for your reminiscences of Luangwa - I've yet to get there! But this year it is on the cards!

All,
Just got back from KwaZulu/Natal South Coast - amazing birds - saw my first Knysna Lourie - okay, well it means a lot to me any way!

Hope you all have a peaceful and healthy 2003 - and hope to see you at the Livingstone Lark in September.

Love to all.

Jill



Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, January 03, 2003 at 19:57:09 (UTC)


Linda

Some photos of Musungwa taken in July last year

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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, January 03, 2003 at 12:33:44 (UTC)


Linda & Mike Hayes

Best wishes for the 4th January on your 17th Wedding Anniversary.

All our Love
Sandra, Shelley & Craig

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, January 03, 2003 at 06:41:15 (UTC)


Chris Swart
By any chance do you have any photos of Musungwa? I would love to see what it looks like now. I worked for T.G. Travel when it was being built by Cecil and Connie Evans and their family. We were the sales agents for their bookings.

A funny story came out of that. When I came over to the States, my first interview was for a company that handled international groups. The ad in the paper for the position read, "experienced with international group reservations and free to travel?" I thought I fit the bill perfectly. ha! ha! Although I must admit my sum experience with groups was to mark up which chalet the international traveller would be assigned to at Musungwa. As luck would have it, when I was waiting for the interview, I picked up a travel magazine from the coffee table and guess what the main article was on. Yep! Musungwa Safari Lodge. I could not believe it, and it gave me the confidence to talk my way into the job as a high school dropout, no degree, no experience with groups, but the gift of the gab. My first assignment with that company was 600 people, in groups of 200 back to back, from all over the States, to Rome. I thought I had died and gone to hell, especially since it was in the days prior to computers in the travel business. Baptism by fire, for sure, but after 20+ years of doing that sort of travel planning, I can now claim to have experience with international group reservations. He! He! Nothing like Northern Rhodesian tenacity, I say. Wot!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 21:03:37 (UTC)


Happy New Year to you all. The fishing was out of this world.Yellow belly must have been on the suicide mission. Not many smaller than 1.5kg and on the bite.
Ngoma had plenty game, elephant,lion,kudu,zebra,bushbuck,hartebeest,oribi,duiker,warthog,hippo,crocodile,puku,impala,wildebeest,otter and much more.
I would recommend Munsungwa where we stayed but take your own drinks the bar prices were shocking.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 14:23:20 (UTC)


Back in our Zambian days we sampled different types of game - sometimes sold in the butcher's shops. I have just heard of another exotic dish - two or three toed sloth. However it must be prepared right and sauteed to perfection. It seems too many cooks broil the sloth!

Tina

P.S.

(Sorry if I scared anyone for a minute. I know of none but the rainforest residents whose lifestyle is equally endangered who ever have sloth on the menu).

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 11:32:23 (UTC)


Happy New Year to all my friends!

To anyone interested, I changed my email address today and went through my address book to advise people. A few bounced back. If you send me an email to my old address and it bounces back, please contact me through the GNR contact method. Thanks.

Craig, Heather, Arthur and Dawie
Thanks for all the tremendous work you have put into this site. As one who has been here almost from the beginning, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you guys. We have come a very long way from that first "reach into the unknown" that Dawie made! I hope it has been as rewarding for you as it has been for so many of us. You have opened doors for us that we never imagined possible, allowing us to find lost and treasured friends from the past, and building new friendships for the future.

It would seem we have a common bond here. A love for a country that many of us have never been able to completely leave behind in our hearts. No matter what era we lived in Northern Rhodesia/Zambia, may that bond forever remain. We have shared stories, learned from each other, and continue to realise that we lived in a country second to none. Yes, many of us are elsewhere now, and perhaps our lives are materialistically better in many ways, but somehow that Northern Rhodesian/Zambian blood in our veins keeps our hearts pumping and nurtures the warm glow of nostalgia in our souls. Call it rose coloured glasses, or whatever you like. I, for one, like the feeling.

I wanted to remind everyone again that this site is so full of varied and interesting information through its links and different areas. Please take the time to look through it all. You will be amazed at the treasure that you will find there.



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 19:26:24 (UTC)


ON SAFARI .......

Slowly the guard dressed in a khaki uniform, bush hat and well worn black boots raised the crooked thin white washed pole, and waved as our blue volkswagen bettle crossed the magical invisible line that served as a barrier between the Luangwa Game Reserve and the rest of the world. At last we were on safari, the begining of a great adventure for a ten year old boy.

The two hour drive on that mid-July morning in 1956 from Fort Jameson, known to the locals as Fort Jimmy, had been uneventful, however, the atmosphere was charged with anticipation as to what animals we would encounter. Would we see lions, or elephants? We were not to be dissapointed.

Within minutes of entering the reserve, we encountered a massive bull elephant with huge white tusks that reached within inches of the ground. Dad stopped the car, and instructed Mum,the expeditions cinema photographer,to take a shot of the elephant,which was standing conveniently within a hundred feet on her side of the car. No sooner had the familiar whirring sound of the camera started, the elephant took his cue and started running towards the car.
A matrimonial dispute erupted as Mum yelled at Dad to start the retreat , while he was encouraging her to continue filming our new found pachyderm friend.

The balance of the drive down the narrow dusty road to Nsefu Camp was less eventful. The camp consisted of a half dozen or so white thatched roofed rondavals, and an open thatched roofed observation area located at the top of the Northern embankment overlooking the slow moving dark green and brown waters of the Luangwa River. The observation area also served as a dining room and lounge.

We arrived just before lunch, and were shown our rondaval which would be home for the next three days.Once settled in Dad and I went of to explore the lay of the land, while Mum who was also responsible for catering, provided the camp cook with our rations for our stay and menus for the meals.

Around four in the afternoon, an armed game guard escorted my Dad and me on our first foray into the animal kingdom. Being ten, I was fortunate , as the Queen's Regulations stated that one had to be at least twelve years old to participate. Mum, elected to stay in camp and watch the animals on the South bank as they came to quench their thirst at the river's edge.

We were not dissapointed on our expedition, encountering numerous elephant, buffalo, zebra and giraffes that effortlessly ate the leaves from the tallest trees. A brief moment of excitement occured as we followed the guard on our return to the camp, when Dad noticed a large snake on the path just where the guard was about to step, Dad hastily pulled the guard back and the snake slithered into the long sun burnt grass. When Mum heard of our adventure, the Queen's Regulations were enforced and I spent the balance of our stay within the protection of the camp.

The rondaval in which we stayed was very rudimentary, three single beds were in the room normally filled with two beds.There were a couple of chairs, a wash stand with a
white enamal bowel and pitcher.When we went to bed, large white mesquito nets protected us as we slept between crisp starched white sheets with large blue lettering " Northern Rhodesia Government". A white enamel potty was discretely placed under the bed for any unforseen call of nature. Guests were not encouraged to leave the protection of their rondaval during the night.

Each day Dad and the guard would make a trip early in the morning and again in the late afternoon. The trips lasted around two hours.Dad encountered many animals, and on one trip while tracking a rhino both he and the guard had to make a run when the rhino decided to have a foot race with them.

Mum and I stayed back at the camp and observed the activity along the river bank and what we may have missed would be drawn to our attention by one on the camp employees . As the blazing sun quickly set, painting the sky with brilliant red and orange bands, Mum and Dad would have their sundowner of Scotch on the rocks, to be followed by another round or two. The Scotch was to prevent the scourge of malaria, or so I was lead to believe. Never could understand why I was only allowed to drink Oris, perhaps ten year old boys are immune to malaria.

Although short, the three days at Nsefu have left me with a lifetime of memories. The Luangwa Valley is truly a gem in the heart of Africa.









Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 15:45:10 (UTC)



Here is one for the girls I hope It brings a smile to there beautiful faces Johnny.

Three guys are out having a relaxing day fishing. Out of the blue, they catch a mermaid who begs to be set free in return for granting each of them a wish. Now one of the guys just doesn't believe it,and says, "Ok, if you can really grant wishes, then double my I.Q." The mermaid says, "Done."
Suddenly, the guy starts reciting Shakespeare flawlessly and analyzing it with extreme insight. The second guy is so amazed he says to the mermaid, "Triple my I.Q."
The mermaid says: "Done."
The second guy starts to spout out all the mathematical solutions to problems that have been stumping all the scientists of varying fields: physics, chemistry,etc.
The third guy is so enthralled
with the changes in his friends, that he says to the
mermaid, "Quintuple my I.Q."
The mermaid looks at him and says, "You know, I normally don't try to change people's minds when they make a wish, but I really wish you'd reconsider."
The third guy says: "Nope, I want you to increase my I.Q. times five, and if you don't do it, I won't set you free."
"Please," says the mermaid, "You don't know what you're
asking...it'll change your entire view on the universe..
But no matter what the mermaid said, the guy insisted on having his I.Q. increased by five times its usual power. So the mermaid sighed and said, "Done."
And the third guy becomes a woman.




JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 09:08:08 (UTC)



To all the male half of relationships this is worth bearing in mind for the new year.

The five most essential words for a healthy, vital
relationship and a Happy New Year are "I apologize" and "You are right."

Happy New Year Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 08:03:32 (UTC)


2003

A new year, a new beginning. Everything of the very best to the GNR members.

Evelyn's new grandchild was born to her daughter Catherine. A tiny 5 lb daughter - Lucy Erika

Its a wonderful thing!!

Esther PetterssonClick here to contact me
Australia
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 04:48:03 (UTC)


Lorraine & Ian Forbes,


I spoke to Christine Raven tonight.
Billy is in the Uk and would love to here from you & the boys. I told him on the phone earlier that I would do all I can to get hold of you.
He can be contacted on 07947079301.

My parents & I were so sorry to here of the death of Tony Holt. He was a big part of Nchanga RFC. Our thoughts are with his family at this sad time

Mark PowellClick here to contact me
Taunton, Somerset, United Kingdom
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 01:25:10 (UTC)


HAPPY NEW YEAR ......

Wishing one and all on the GNR a Happy and Prosperous New year for 2003 from Canada's Winter Wonderland.

Ken





Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 00:12:45 (UTC)


Hi All
What a wonderful day it is......2003....
oh I hope my takkie shoe prints are first to stamp through the dust on the road......giggles
ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, January 01, 2003 at 00:08:01 (UTC)


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1st of the Month, 2003 at 00:00:00 (GMT, aka UTC)


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