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It was good to see a new name on the Board, especially one from Ndola. Welcome Margie Jungnicz. There's me and one other, I think. The rest are from Broken Hill and Kapiri Mposhi.



Robert SummersClick here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 21:53:08 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume III - No. 1 - 1956

Early Days in Fort Jameson
Bantu Name Difficulties
Northern Rhodesian Butterflies
Posted to Mazabuka
Some Footnotes to the History of Mporokoso District
The "Swedish Settlement" in the Kasempa District
Robert Edward Codrington 1869-1908
Memories of Abandoned Bomas - No. 9 - Magoye
More about Kay Robinson
Naval Occasions on Lake Tanganyika in the 1914-18 War
A Famous Slander Case and Tales from the Outstations
The Occupation of Kilwa Island - Extracts from District Notebook No. 6
A Country in Search of a Name
Lusaka Natural History Club
Notes: An Elephant is Arraigned/ New Contributors to this Number/ Chiengi-Rhodesia-Kalungwishi/ The Helmores, Livingstone and Sebitwane/ Artillery in Rhodesia 1890-96/ Gervas Clay's Scrap Book/ First Records No. 9 The First Newspaper/ Note on the Njazi Rockshelter Site in the Eastern Province of Northern Rhodesia/ Exotic Trees in Northern Rhodesia
Correspondence: Feira/ Kasempa/ Weather Lore and Customs/ GS Tasker and "Grammar"/ Mr Jerominsky of Fort Jameson/ Mickey Norton/ Mweru Wantipa Water Analysis/ More About Mpeseni/ Oldest Horse in Northern Rhodesia
Book Reviews
Poem - General Orders

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 20:21:27 (UTC)


HEATHER

Happy birthday my friend - even though I think you should be celebrating it tomorrow! What the heck, celebrate it on both days. I'll drink to your health today AND tomorrow - hic! Any excuse. Just in case anyone thinks I'm mad, Heather was a leap year baby.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 17:34:46 (UTC)


Heather...
Have a really super day. I'll raise a glass to your good health.

Wayne,
Watch out for Linda's 'altar' ego - she's not the enema - sorry - I meant enemy - I apologise again - I meant enigmatic - Artful Dodger!
Reagrds

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 15:51:03 (UTC)


Have just joined GNR. Am looking forward to hearing from anyone who lived in Ndola 60's-70's

Margie JungniczClick here to contact me
South Africa
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 13:04:40 (UTC)


HEATHER C.

MANY HAPPY RETURNS YOUNG LADY.
Sorry are not closer to you to be able to share in your happy day. Have a wonderful birthday. Lots of kisses & biggggg huggies.

Gary, Natasha & Scott. XXXXXXXX

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 11:00:16 (UTC)


Chalcraft Woman

Many Happy Returns

and a big smakaroo from me

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 10:25:04 (UTC)


HEATHER KNOWLES

Well done - you did a great job with the photos! (Aurthur will now have to look for someone else's shins to kick!)


Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, February 28, 2003 at 07:56:58 (UTC)


WOW! Thanks for all the responses by email regarding my son's project on Mugabe. I will give him the info.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 22:36:37 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added to 'Themes' section (previously called Personal Items) a very detailed map of the Bangweulu Swamps supplied by Roy Williams. Warning! This is very large - about 36 inches square and nearly 1 megabyte! Probably not a good idea unless you have broadband or are VERY interested.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 22:18:17 (UTC)


Heather

I think the slush fund was a different account from the Zamtrop account. The slush fund (and remarkably that was its proper title!) was a recently established fund to finance local projects like the FTJ Institute for Industrial Relations and Democracy.

The Zamtrop account was originally set up by Mr. Kaunda. He used it for clandestine payments like support payments to liberation movements.

I think you underestimate the current government's determination to prosecute Mr. Chiluba. My guess is that they will go all the way. In the event of a conviction, President Mwanawasa will step in and grant Mr. C a pardon.

There is of course the danger that this will open a can of worms. Although corruption in Zambia never reached Pakistani or Nigerian proportions, there are many people in the leadership who are vulnerable to legitimate accusation.

The decision to charge Mr. Chiluba will embolden the Anti Corruption Commission and other law enforcement agencies. We can expect more charges.


Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 21:51:31 (UTC)


Northerners,
Last year I had some Roan rugby shirts made to sell, and make a bit of cash for the ex-luanshya site. I sold 45 in all, and have decided to have another batch made.

They are good quality, as anyone who has bought one will testify
They cost £35 plus postage (£2.50 to the UK, at cost worldwide (for example £7 for one I sent to Australia))
The deadline for these is MONDAY 10 MARCH 9 am GMT, which is the time I phone in the order.

E-mail me at njiri@ntlworld.com for more details etc

Polo shirts and caps are also available.

Neil.

Depending on the response here, I MAY consider doing rugby shirts for other Zambia (NR) teams, provided I can get colours and club logos. Any proceeds from these will be donated to the running of the GNR site ( as I have done for the Luanshya site).
I'm not promising anyone anything yet..... it depends on what response I get.

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 10:14:00 (UTC)


Hamish

If it's the Catholic Church in Bwacha, then the postal address is P O Box 80613, Kabwe and the phone number is +260-5-224657. I haven't tried to see whether it is working.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 10:03:51 (UTC)


Can anyone help me out with contact details in Kabwe ?
I am trying to contact Father Bernard Bohan of Bwacha Parish Church, in Kabwe.
PO Box ? Telephone Number would be good too !

Hamish KirkClick here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 08:57:49 (UTC)


Patrick Thomson, Peter Sutcliffe

Happy Birthday for yesterday

Colin Hills

Happy Birthday for today




Chisanga

Firstly, I don't believe that they will go all the way through with prosecution. Either they'll run out funds or the case will be withdrawn for lack of evidence. Whether this will be correct or whether it will be done for political reasons, is anybody's guess. There is also the question of whether it will stand up in court. Basically, the charges against him are for misuse of the Zamtrop account. Zamtrop was the president's slush fund. Parliament, despite a lot of shouting from the general population, voted in favour of this slush fund

The reaction of the nation? There's no dancing or shouting in the streets either in favour or against. Just acceptance and most people saying 'if we get the money back, it will be alright'. Does anybody really imagine that we will get the money back?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 06:36:44 (UTC)


Doug,

No, it wasn't even as sophisticated as that. Using typical Broken Hill ingenuity, he cut my initials into the back of his wrist with a screwdriver and then poured engine grease into the letters. I understand he wears long sleeved shirts now. With my maiden name initials being LSD, it was quite a trip for him. ha! ha!

To the person I am joking about, if you read this board, and I suspect you are a silent reader, this is very tongue in cheek and I know you have regretted doing that ever since. It's nice to be remembered every time you roll your sleeve up, though..

Enough with the ring around the posterior questions. I'm 50 yrs old and can't see that far around anymore. he! he!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 05:06:58 (UTC)


Linda ,

I played in a rugby team with a feller from Blokken Hill who had "Back Dore" tatooed on his rear end . Was he being truthful or facetious ?

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 00:14:06 (UTC)


Johnny:

I shall forgive Wayne for his outburst. He knows only too well what happened to his best mate from Broken Hill who stumbled into my path in 1969. Since my name is indelibly tatooed on that person's body, much to the consternation of his better half now, I would imagine Wayne is well aware of my charms.

Besides, Wayne's sister is my mate now. Double trouble.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 23:05:02 (UTC)



Wayne you oviously like living dangerously or perhaps you have a death wish? personally I would have put my head into a lions mouth than annoy that Texan with a ring around her bum, like you have done, and you should praise the Lord that you are not going to any reunion in the near future where she might have attended because crushed Gonnubies can be very painful. Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 22:46:28 (UTC)


Hi All:
My son is doing a major project of his choice for school and has decided on Robert Mugabe. I know this is not quite germane, but I am looking for really informative internet/magazine/book sources he can check for info, especially on the plight of the farmers and the atrocities going on, affecting all races there. He will want to cover it from several angles, including the local Zimbabweans who are not in favour of Mugabe. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please. He is also allowed to submit an "interview" with anyone on his topic of choice. If anyone with a close connection to what is happening there is interested in participating in this with him, he could conduct his interview by email with you. I am really pleased that he chose this, as I am pretty sure that the rest of his class, including his teacher, will be quite surprised at what he has to say. This is not a subject that the average person in Texas has the first clue about (excluding you Tina... )

Please email me directly if you can help in any way. Thanks!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 22:40:04 (UTC)



Please Note , All people wanting to chastize me can you you please wait until this coming Saterday, as will be off the air from tommorow until SAT Evening thanks Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 18:48:09 (UTC)


Talking about moonrings around buck's backsides reminded me about a funny thing I saw last week.

It was an extremely hot day and very humid with a sort of heat haze but no clouds. Around midday a rainbow appeared in a perfect ring around the sun. It stayed for some time.

I have never seen this before. Has anyone else?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 18:36:51 (UTC)


Linda

No malice intended here, just anything for a lout, sorry make that laugh.

Had a look at that "Easy read map of Broken Hill". Yep, you're right. You, if that is you, definitely were never an attraction for us BH louts, but then we would never hold that against you.

From the picture, not sure if it was a problem with the derriere, but then again, we were never that fussy. Just have to ask one of the local attractions and am sure you will get some sort of confirmation.

Will not be attending any reunions shortly.

Cheers Wayne


Wayne MilwardClick here to contact me
Gonubie, South Africa
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 14:46:27 (UTC)


Mike Wilson, you are a "cheeky" boy.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 14:11:41 (UTC)


I know that this is not a germane question but for all the South African residents: can anyone tell me what is available in SA with regard to broadband.

When I was over there I got the impression that there was limited ADSL and ISDN.

Hartley

Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 13:41:34 (UTC)




Jill,
No Halo. More of a ring around the "Moon".
Mike

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 08:27:33 (UTC)


Jill:
Scroll back down to Arthur's posting of February 23rd where he is talking about maps of Luanshya and Ndola and then talks about what Broken Hill has to offer. It is a hoot. There is a photo there that is right above the words "easy read map of Broken Hill". Very well done.

Arthur:
My husband has saved the picture and wants to know if you have the phone number of the person below me on the postcard. I told him you do, but it will be over my dead body... or hers! ha! ha!



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 03:56:26 (UTC)


Linda,

Where's this BH Postcard? I don't know how to navigate these things.

Question - Do you have a white ring round your derriere? No? Me neither. Not all the Kitwe girls' - or BUNS' - halos have slipped THAT far, Johnny.

Jilly



Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 22:10:43 (UTC)


Mr. Steevens!

I am shocked and dismayed by the unforgiveable blunder I have just discovered on the "attractions of Broken Hill" postcard. Whilst sniggering at the rather large and unattractive "lady" in the blue thing, imagine my fright to see myself displayed right above her. This is absolutely unforgiveable, unacceptable and a breach of etiquette in the worst degree. I must adamantly state for all interested that I have never been, am not now, and never intend to be, an "attraction" for the Broken Hill louts.

I was, am, and forever will be, a Kitwe girl! Let's hear it for the Copperbelt!!!

You shall be hearing from my attorney. I have suffered mental anguish, am totally traumatized by this discovery, and intend to sue you for your fortune.

Yours fatefooly,
Beach Babe Dore



Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 21:12:19 (UTC)




Yes Jill,
I'm totally convinced. Thanks for your help.
Mike

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 21:10:46 (UTC)


All Mufuliraians
Just heard today of the passing of Don Stander - gentleman wild life conservationist & sportsman.
Memorial Service tomorrow Wednesday 10:00 at Anglican Church, Umhlali, Natal North Coast.

Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 19:39:12 (UTC)


Mike
The chap in the corner is our President Mbeki moonlighting as the Zimbabwe minister of foriegn affairs or Mugabe's spin doctor.

Who said no good news comes out of Africa? Winnie Mandela, mugger of the nation, is thinking of going to Iraq as a human shield!

It seems to be an unfortunate fact of life that countries do not learn by others mistakes but have to go through the same travails themselves. Zambia hit bottom under the Unip economic reforms and policies, but now seems to be on the road to recovery. Chiluba's trial is a healthy sign. Zimbabwe is very close to the bottom. We realy wonder whether whether South Africa will have the common sense to avoid this sort of tragedy, especialy listening to some of our politicians.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 18:27:30 (UTC)


Oops, I meant JOHNNY - not Jihnny.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 17:57:49 (UTC)


Mike,

Are we agreed then? Sorry to have overwhelmed you, but I do come from Kitwe - and as Jihnny seems to point - us Kitwe girls are rather anal.

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 17:56:49 (UTC)


I've used Western Union quite often to send money to Zambia. They generally charge you a $10 fee for most transactions, but the money reaches the destination (almost any Zambian post office) instantly.

Further more I try and send money through Send Money to Zambia because it helps support another Zambian website :)

Leonard NelsonClick here to contact me
Philadelphia, PA, United States
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 15:12:56 (UTC)


I've used Western Union quite often to send money to Zambia. They generally charge you a $10 fee for most transactions, but the money reaches the destination (almost any Zambian post office) instantly.

Further more I try and send money through http://www.thezambian.com/western.aspx because it helps support another Zambian website :)

Leonard NelsonClick here to contact me
Philadelphia, PA, United States
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 14:54:50 (UTC)


Northerners

Apologies for using the message board for private communications, but we have a problem and are unable to communicate via email.

Dave

Have you downloaded Eudora?

Do that and then I'll contact you this evening to give the different server names etc to set up the personality in Eudora. This will be around 8 pm your time.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 14:42:36 (UTC)


Hi, I am trying to make contact with some old friends namely Debbie Clarke had a brother Conrad lived in Ndola in the early seventies. Also Delma Swinton, Sharon Dingle, Stewart Lamb, Kevin Gilbersen,Susan Robinsen all of whom were in Ndola.

Keith MarkotterClick here to contact me
Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 14:07:11 (UTC)


Zambian Residents - please Help.
Is there anyone who lives in Chingola who can help me with a re-issue of a Zambian Drivers Licence?? As South African Residents know, the Drivers Licence 'technicals' come into force on the 1st of March, whereby, if you have South African drivers licence, it has to be in the 'card' form. No problem for me as my Zambian Licence confuses the hell out of the authorities and they speed me on my way with a warning. However, my Zambian Licence has been stolen, so I ride around with a certified copy of the licence, but this is no longer accepted. What I need is some good soul in Chingola who would find out the protacol visavi a re-issue of a Zambian Licence to a once resident, or a copy of such. I have been the route of telephonic communications, but the comms is so unreliable, I can only get more frustrated.
Can any Chingola resident help me out? Comms via my email if this plea for help can take place.


Spotlight KidClick here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 13:55:11 (UTC)




It could be a dead "ringer" for Johnny. Have fun.
Mike.

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 12:22:21 (UTC)


Hamish

I have used Western Union to send money to Zambia on several occasions and never had a problem The money can be collected from the post office on the same day. I would recommend that you use the main post office in the town as the smaller ones may not have enough money!!! (depends on how much you are sending).

Ann Moss (née Papier)Click here to contact me
Motherwell, Scotland
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 08:39:07 (UTC)




Doug,
If you look closely at the photo you'll see a male
hiding in the bushes. Who do you think it could be?
See you around, Mike

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 07:15:40 (UTC)


Has anyone tried using Western Union to remit money to Zambia ? In Z, agents are supposed to be the Post Office.

hamish@kfupm.edu.sa

Hamish KirkClick here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 06:40:59 (UTC)



I had just got round to looking at Mike Wilsons excellent game photos and saw the one animal with a distinctive ring around its bottom, which brought back memories of the girls from Kitwe they also had this strange phenomena, in Chingola we boys used to say you can always tell a girl from Kitwe by the ring around her bum, can any one throw any light or reason for this strange distinction, we had our own theories but they were all jocular and I dont think that they could have been true, but I am sure I am going to hear more enlightenment on the subject very shortly.
Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 05:20:41 (UTC)


DAVID HOUNSELL

I have remembered Gwen's name after much head scratching. It was Gwen Austin I think. My sister, Sue and Carol Corbishley attended her dance classes in Luansyhya and if the bribe is big enough I am willing to produce pictures of them performing (my turn to bribe Sue!)

ARTHUR

Sorry I didnt post a message sooner about the Luansyhya map, but thank you so much. It was wonderful to see it and to remember what used to be.

HEATHER

Any more news about the reunion, need do start planning now.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 00:17:41 (UTC)


Hey Hillsey, old sport,
Not only my catty but also my 7.62 and my Russian pellet gun.
Hoooo. Memories of the great north!
Thanks.
Been on a driving trip so only saw it Monday EST
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 20:40:39 (UTC)


Hi, I'm trying to contact anyone who was involved with RTV in the years 1963-65. Also anyone who remembers people from the dance studio run by Gwen ?? ( sorry forgotten her surname), and who danced on a programme broadcast from the studio. I have many pictures from those days, and the people involved, and its likely some people here in the group are in the pictures. If anyone turns up I'll access a transparency scanner and post them.
Thanks.

David HounsellClick here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 19:34:05 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft

I have just read on the BBC site that Mr. Frederick Chiluba, Zambia's second president, has been charged with fifty nine counts of theft by public servant. Could you give us your thoiughts about the likely impact of this move on political activity and conduct in Zambia?

I would also like to know how the nation has responded to the arrest of the former president.

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 19:15:17 (UTC)


I have today received an email from someone using the name Julia Howard who purports to be the widow of a Zimbabwe Farmer. It bears all the characteristics of a Nigerian scam.

There was a good cartoon in our Saturday newspaper. Mugabe was standing bent over with his pants dropped and the frog president was kissing his backside with a small mbeki looking on and giving a thumbs up. The caption was 'A French Kiss'.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 19:10:12 (UTC)


Hi Mike,

can't see any red plumage, but maybe it's my eyes or my stone-age computer! I still think it's a roller, though.

Isn't this fun?

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 17:04:00 (UTC)


Martin Thompson

Happy Birthday




Kathy Watson
Here is a picture of Linda Van Blerk and another of her husband, Harry Thomas, taken in September last year. Not the best I'm afraid and they'll probably murder me for putting such grotty photos on the board.

Was the Pam Taylor that you mention from Mazabuka? If it's the same one, she passed away a few years ago. Her brother Bruce is still in Mazabuka.

I wonder what happened to the Waldrons? Alexandra and her family lived next door to us on the Leopard's Hill Road in the 60's.

'Winkie' Gosling's family is still in Mazabuka, but I'm not sure where Winkie is.

Click for image. Click for image.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 15:02:45 (UTC)




Hi Jill,
I had problems with identifying the bird. Its shape is that of a carmine bee-eater (Roberts 407) but the plumage was not quite the same. The lilac breasted roller (Roberts 413) appears to have a shorter tail and stubbier beak, with no red plumage. I'm pleased you like the photos.
Kind Regards, Mike

Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 13:25:45 (UTC)


Hello, me again, that illiterate old man,

Hands up to all English speaking (in this case, as she is spelt) browers that noticed the Americanism sprouting from this illiterate old man with grey hair? It must not only be a sign of these turbulent times, but also proof that one of my English teachers was Wright (pun intended), when all those years ago, he informed me that I would never learn the queens language. Mr wright, think he was, told my fortune, and at the time how I wanted to tell him his as he continually made my life miserable.

Think this new idea of spelling it as it sounds could be a great idea, for me anyway. Grey or gray, now do I really give a continental hoot? Only problem is that in the new SA, after listening to news and all the actuality programs (those ones, and there are many of them, in which we have so many knowledgeable know it all's) on the radio and TV, not sure anyone would be able to guess what was written. Half the time not sure what the real word is after listening to the pronunciations. Only bleating due to the loss of all the great daily music programs on SAFM. How is one expected to stay up until after midnight, every night, to listen to the history of, and best music on local radio?

Now is it bye-bye, buy-buy or by-by? Cheers (and one down the hatch) is more appropriate and thought quenching. See you, it's well past opening time and I'm thirsting to say cheerio, or is it cherrio, or a little closer cheersuowes. Thats probably another of them American things.

Wayne

Wayne MilwardClick here to contact me
Gonubie, South Africa
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 11:03:09 (UTC)


Artie
Thanks for the giggles .......love to see a Kitwe postcard or did they not have them in those days ...... oh and the other photos are great thanks.
Tina
update on my flame lily........ it is covered in buds, and I got my first bloom today, cannot wait until a few more come out and I shall be painting from nature, not from a photo.....
Ali


Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 10:23:52 (UTC)


Mike, Great wildlife shots. I see that you have the last one listed as a bee-eater - it isn't, it's a Lilacbreasted Roller - or sometimes called Mzilikazi's Roller.

By any name, a beautiful bird.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, February 24, 2003 at 09:44:15 (UTC)


Mike Wilson,

It took me a while to familiarize myself with the Nkana East photo, (27 years ago!) but I got very excited when I saw Riverrain and the 2nd house down, going toward the Kafue was my house, 149 Geddes! I was then looking for 159 Philip Street, but not sure that I could spot it, as that is the 2nd house we lived in! Thanks for the memories! Great photo!

Debbie StewartClick here to contact me
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 23:54:50 (UTC)


Heather and Vivienne
Thanks so much for sending those photos in!! What a treat to see so many names that were familiar and to see how much people changed over the years. Except for Pappy. He still looks like the naughy boy he always was. He! He!

Whatever happened to the Thurtell brothers? I have a story about Eddie, Bruce's brother. I was spending the night with Sheila Anderson (Butch's sister) one weekend, and Butch and Eddie decided that they would try and get into the room we were in. They lived upstairs in Adriatic Court across the road from Kent Avenue park at the time. We woke up to this commotion outside the window and looked out to see Eddie dangling precariously on the drain pipe which had separated from the wall of the building. We quickly closed the window and let Butch's father take care of the problem. Bleddy hooligans!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 21:40:46 (UTC)


Hi Arthur

Will send these pictures one by one as two of them are quite large and I don't know if they will cause you any problems

I am probably going to be in the "Dog Box" by putting the "Eldridge Girls" (current) on the GNR, but it was such a happy occasion (my eldest daughter's wedding) and we don't get together and have a photo taken often so I thought, what the hell.

Click for image.

Left to Right: Heather Eldridge, Vivienne Eldridge, Lynthia Eldridge and Shirley Naude (whose mom was an Eldridge)


I have been meaning to send you the "Garneton Gang" (GG1 and GG2) for a long while, but have only managed to get around to it now. The pictures bring back so many wonderful memories and I am sure that the GNR'ers will enjoy them and they will spark more wonderful memories as most of those pictured are known to many on the GNR.

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GG1: Left to Right:

Sitting on the car - Bruce Thurtell, Terence Naude and Henry Novak

Standing in front of the car - Peter Strydom, Graham Eldridge and Chris Hill

(I'm not quite sure why the cigarettes, but they all look so cute!)


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GG2: Left to Right:

Sitting on the Fire Truck - Graham Eldridge, Gary Eldridge, Shirley Naude, Lynthia Eldridge and Bruce Thurtell

In back of truck -

Vivienne Eldridge and Henry Novak

Standing in front of truck -

Peter Strydom, Terence Naude and Chris Hill

(The pool was being filled thus the fire truck - wasn't life marvellous in those days!)

Regards

Viv

Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag - Boksburg, South Africa




Hello Arthur,

My Mum unearthed the attached photo of Marymount College. I think it was taken in 1967/68.

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Marymount College is in Umtali (now Mutare) - actually, just east of the town itself.

I do have a few names - here goes :- Ann Needham, Charlotte Joiner, Alexandra Waldron, Diedre Fitzgibbon, Denise Darey, Kathy Jackson, Chatalle, Calliope, Linda Van Blerk, Cathy L'Eclazio ( spelling ??) Jane Acton, Sandra Penfold, Lindsay Stanton, Jane Christopher, Jane Godsall, Jane Godwin, Antoinett and Joan Kufall, Pam Taylor, Robyn Farquason, Mary-Ann Acton, "Winkie" Gosling, and so many more

The only message I can think of is that I had such a wonderful time there.

They say your school years are the best, and in this situation they are very right.

I am trying to reach a few old friends, and have managed to get in contact with one so far.

Many thanks for adding this to your site - I am hopeful it will jog a few memories.

Kathy Watson - Wokingham, Berkshire, United Kingdom




Hi Arthur

I'm one of the Eldridge Girls, in fact Viv's sister Heather. I am at long last sending you the photos which I scanned about 15 months ago, from Des Burns' collection and have been meaning to send them so that you can put them on the GNR.

Grant went through them last night and tried to fill in all the names, but there are some that stumped him, but he has done pretty good.

This first one is Under 14 Kitwe Boys High - 1963

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Please put a little message that this one is "especially for Pappy and sorry it took so long"


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Des Burns Boxing 1964

From Des Burn's Collection


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37 Years on.

What I did with this one is a little cutting and pasting. I thought it was great to be able to have a picture of these three in the good old days, and the three of them 37 years later, quite amazing, especially when Noel is now living in Australia.

The picture of the three of them taken in 2001, was taken at Richard Borejszo's place in Muldersdrift, Gauteng, RSA, while Noel was out here on a holiday.



More of Des Burns's photo's.

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Boxing 1 and 1961 are also put on the GNR for Natasha Malan, cos they have got her Dad, Eddie Malan in them as well.

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The lovely lady in this photo is Marion Griffiths our Great Aunt (Heather and Vivienne's) and Mom of our very own Maz Martin.


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These are the last 2 old School photos that I have. Hopefully will be able to post some more a little later, I will get all the old Kitwe gang that we have here to go through their albums.

Thanks

Heather Knowles (nee Eldridge) - Boksburg, South Africa




Northerners !

Some more great wildlife shots from Mike Wilson

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And also from Mike a brilliant photo taken from the top of CPC tower

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Nkana East

Overlooking Central Street - facing north-westish

Central Street is the main road at the bottom of the photo - heading leftwards is towards town, heading right is towards the Kafue River. The house on Central Street bottom right is where I learned to ride a two-wheeler bike and my friends house.

Riverain School on Geddes Street can be seen - about quarter of the way down from the top and about a third of the way in from the right of the photograph.

23rd Avenue cuts across the photo leading off Central Street and you can see leading up to the right, Philip Street and then next Geddes Street. Dave tells me his house is just visible, 3rd house up from the entrance to Riverain.

Kitwe slimes Dam is in the middle distance, Kitwe town centre a little further on.

Fantastic pic Mike - this one brought back many memories back for me, all these roads I travelled as a youngster on my way back and to from school.

As Dave Cooper said "thanks Dude"

Arthur




Bill Knotty

Get your catty out boy !

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From Peter Hills collection




A good reaction to the Luanshya Map !

Next I will put up the Ndola map very soon.

I have also had numerous offers of various town maps, some of them on their way to me right now, several including Lusaka and one I'm very interested to look at - Lusaka c1960.

I contacted the printers of the Federal Survey maps to enquire about a map of Broken Hill, I got this reply:


"Thank you for your enquiry, unfortunately we do not have such a map, this was to save printers ink, you see there was no need of a map - the road went in and then it went out before we did the by-pass. There was a railhead, a lead mine, and Boons Bar, an old skull, a tree which was left as a landmark to warn everyone approaching and .... that's it. Oh yes we nearly forgot - one petrol pump, but the attendant left for a better job ringing a bell.

We would query your request for such a map, the residents were bushmen, bushwomen and a few bushwackers and wayward women from up north, stopping on occasion looking for business.

After a thorough search we did come up with this post-card which may be of use which illustrate the towns "attractions".

Please be warned to seek the advice of your doctor before attempting to travel here and ensure you are vaccinated for everything your GP can think of".


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Easy-read map of Broken Hill


Thanks everyone - another brilliant round of photos!

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 17:44:56 (UTC)


With regard to the Lumpa rising, I can remember as a very young child sitting at a meal at home with many strangers and they talked of an horrific incident wherein all, I believe 350 or 380 people were killed, and all livestock etc too.
They were astounded at the bravery of their badly armed oponents but seemed to feel a good job had been done.
It shames me to be so poor in memory ( and it's getting worse) but I remember it clearly, my father was an Inspector in the police reserve and there was many a night I was woken by the hum of low talk when an informant arrived.
I too remember sitting in front of a blazing fire with my mother and father as a local teacher talked of his dreams of democracy and ridding Northern Rhodesia of the yolk of Colonialism - Kenneth Kaunda and his agent.
There was good and bad in the past and if my father is still alive somewhere I'm sure that what he knows will go to the grave with him; I know when my mother was alive she would never speak of the uprising, or any other sensitive issues.
Could I ask if any one had knowledge of old man Rangley in the Eastern Province, and his sons, Stuart was one, the other was a DC in Nyasaland, to please contact me.

David GreensladeClick here to contact me
Brecon, Wales
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 14:32:09 (UTC)


Johnny G....
"Chilangwe"....."Chilanga" ...."Chilongo"....... Where are we going with this? ....."Chilogue"? We better watch out for Craig and Arthur -- they might haul out the old Chikoti!
Heather C....
I stand contrite -- the Cape Town Capers was the non-event of 2002. I sold the sizzle, but burnt the steak. However, I managed to speak with Patrick (of "Scrumpy Jack" fame), and we’ll resurrect it.
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 08:56:09 (UTC)


Joe Behrens, Jared Honere

Happy Birthday




Chris
Yes, Chilanga Golf Club still exists.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 07:25:55 (UTC)



Chris I remember that chasm at the last hole I played the course quite a few times but I never had your misfortune of throwing my club into it that must have really hurt.
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Heather I was never a resident of Chilanga prison but with the word seemingly burned into the mind of an old Broken Hill resident perhaps we should ask him for some of his memories, a friend of his did mention on occasions he sometimes yelled out Chilongo when he is in his cups but maybe all a coincident.

Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 06:56:13 (UTC)


I am a Zambian lady living in Sweden, and I am tryint to find my father
Mr Albert Tondo Lupiya. 14 to 15 years ago, he was an employee at one of the copperbelt mining offices (Division) in the ZCCM. I believe he held the post of accountant(I'm not sure). Mr Albert Tondo Lupiya has children and I know the name of one of them. her name is Susan Lupiya. She too lived in Luanshya.
This is all the information I have about the Lupiyas I am looking for.
Can someone please help me find them?
My children are asking about them.

My e-mail address is: bessie.regenhardt@spray.se

Bessie RegenhardtClick here to contact me
Sweden
Saturday, February 22, 2003 at 18:41:33 (UTC)


CHILANGA

Perhaps some of you may remember the old golf course and club house at Chilanga. The final hole Tee was right at the edge of the quarry, a short hole, with the clubhouse verandah overlooking the final green. Many a ball had come flying in on the verandah, occassionally smashing a window and/or beverage glasses on the tables overlooking the green.

In his very limited golf career, yours truly recalls placing a ball on a pin at that famous final Tee. Took out an iron, wound up, and took a really good swing at the ball, hoping like crazy not to smash any windows/bottles/glasses in the clubhouse. Perhaps being too focussed on not causing bodily injury and/or damage, by the time I completed my swing, the ball remianed firmly on top of the pin, but the club went cart wheeling into the quarry, splashed into the water, and sank irretrievably to the bottom. It must still be there, on the bottom. Perhaps Heather will take her scuba gear to check the quarry bottom?

That would have been circa 1966/67. Do the golf course and club house still exist?

Chris TammClick here to contact me
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, February 22, 2003 at 18:24:30 (UTC)


Johnny
PS Forgot to mention that just behind the prison, on the hill, is the oldest flag pole in Zambia, although today it is pretty rusty and no longer carries a flag.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, February 22, 2003 at 13:29:07 (UTC)


Chisanga

My Bemba 'teacher' tells me:

ichipembele is one, big rhino
chipembele is just one rhino
akapembele is a small rhino

I too hope that history is kinder to Alice Lenshina than her contemporaries have been. I feel that the book 'Blood On Their Hands' goes a long way to exposing the true story. And there is obviously a lot to hide because according to the author, Kampamba Mulenga, there is no documentation on this in our National Archives and he had a hell of a time getting any information at all for the book. Finally had to rely on a few court records. However, most of the information came from eye-witness accounts, from members of the Lumpa Church, members of the security forces and members of the general public. He was a child of 15 at the the time and lived in the Chinsali area, but was not a member of the Lumpa Church.

Hartley
I have maps of Lusaka, Ndola and Kitwe as they are today and all without folds. We'll discuss and see what we can get done with them to get them onto the site.

Johnny Green
Chilanga is a variation of the word 'Chilongo' (don't know if I have the spelling right) which means 'punishment'. There was an open air prison at present day Chilanga and the inmates used to walk around shouting 'chilongo'. That is how Chilanga got its name. It is now part of the ZAWA headquarters. This is a picture of the inside of the prison enclosure.

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CJ
What is happening about Charlie's Cape Town Caper?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, February 22, 2003 at 13:27:05 (UTC)


SCARSCALP!!!!!!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY
ole chum. U still have quite a long way to catch up to me. Sorry I can't be nearer to share the day with you BUT I will make up for it another day in the not too distant future. Our love to Debbie & The Princess as well.

Have a wonderful birthday & many many more mate!

Gary, Natasha & Scott.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 22:13:03 (UTC)


SCARSCALP - You "ou doorn"! Happy birthday. You're into the roaring forties now! I'm raising a glass to your eternal health.
Alix,
Your last picture is v.v.g.! Riverine rabbit? Keep it up!
Wayne and Jacqui,
Received the following from John Pickering : "Hi Charles ( . . and guys, I'm not sure now how many this is now going out to !!) . . . yup, Snelling's the guy. He certainly had some serious hang ups in life - thank you you Jacqui.
'Nother minor query - Wayne refers to PP . . . and for the life of me can't work out what this refers to in the hostel context. Perhaps this one for Wayne himself.
Any idea what happened to Martin Browne (Headmaster at KG during the year I was there ?? (Guess it must have been '65 . . . . really that long ago !!)
Maths master, Peters (Indian fellow - also named Martin) is another that I occasionally wonder what became of him.

. . . . and, finally - this to Charles - guess I'll be hooking up to the Internet properly this weekend. Too many great people to get back in touch with to be inconveniencing you this way, can't tell you, however, how much I appreciate your getting me "into the loop".
Have a great weekend,
Cheers,
John P."

Wayne - you'll have to explain to John that PP stands for "Parker Primary" and not ""Piccannini P___"! I also would like to hear from Martin Browne (I have a vested interested as he - also - comes from the auld land. Ireland - of course!).
Regards
CJ


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 17:31:50 (UTC)


Hi Charles,

Yes, I have received mail from John Pickering. Appreciate your help and thanks.

A few names were mentioned in my correspondence with John. One was Ron Hartley, who was friendly with Ron Small. Last time I meet Ron S, he said he had lost contact with the other Ron. John mentioned he may be working for J&J in East London, but contacts confirm this was several years ago. Can anyone help?

As usual, Jacqui is right. It was Snelling, but have to admit, I was none the wiser. Yes his red Spitfire was in mint condition, and John recalls that it was mysteriously lifted up and placed over the canal between the two hostels. Anyone out there responsible for that action. John is not telling.

In those days, all they thought you needed to keep the imprisoned sexes apart was a canal!! Bet it could tell a story or two. Loved being holed out in that canal checking the fairer lot out. Man have been a pervert all my life.

Anyone remember the clay fights that were held in that vicinity. I'm sure it was me that got his butt tanned for breaking one of the lights on that Spitfire. We would stick a ball of clay onto the end of a very flexible stick and fling it at any poor sod in the opposing team.

Elspeth reminds me that I'm having a blond moment, as in the case with Ronnie's car. I do not even remember Ronnie, talk about the type of car he owned. At this time, I can plead that it's not blond, but gray, and that it's no longer a moment, but a period. So Beth, in future, I'm having a gray period, and note that they are steadily getting longer. I need to be pampered...Any offers? Have just had a picture of Ronnie flash through my old memory. If I see his car, you will hear from me!

Think we should hold Jacqui to that September meeting.

Cheers Wayne

Wayne MilwardClick here to contact me
Gonubie, South Africa
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 11:32:19 (UTC)



Scarscalp ,Many Happy Returns you are still a baby.
_______________________

Thought for the day,
Don't Drive faster than Your Guardian Angel can fly!

Regards Johnny.
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 10:45:27 (UTC)


Scarscalp !

Rumour has it you made it to 40

Happy Birthday boet !

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 07:37:35 (UTC)


Thankyou.

Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong.

ScarscalpClick here to contact me
Bath, United Kingdom
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 05:37:49 (UTC)


Scarscalp

Happy Birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 05:28:31 (UTC)


Yes you're right Gill and I stand by you - all strength to Craig at this time . So tough ...

And Tina sorry I missed your note last week but Ive been under six feet of snow up here in Maryland and its really hard to type with gloves on .





Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Friday, February 21, 2003 at 02:03:28 (UTC)


My Dear Craig

I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I know that the Board is being updated etc., but I feel on this occasion I really have to flaunt the law and I know that everybody stands by me on this one.

What can I say but..... we love you, are thinking of you and if you need to talk, we are there for you (about 700 hundred I think).

Take Care and Much Love,
Gill


Gill MainClick here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 23:14:55 (UTC)


Johnny G,
No No. Chilanga was where we got our hunting licenses. Cement was way down on my priority list in those days.
Jacqui,
Thanks for the feedback on the teacher with the Spitfire. September sounds a really good idea.
Regards

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 20:03:58 (UTC)


Alix,

Amarula berries taste better than the common or garden Marula ones!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 19:31:32 (UTC)


Arthur,
When you make the CD, will you include some of Heather's photos as well as the maps? Also a good idea to make a bit of cash for the site by selling the CD's for a vast profit!!!!.
Neil.

Neil SmithClick here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 18:37:20 (UTC)


Dennis Pigrum, John Bourne

Happy Birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 15:02:36 (UTC)


Arthur

I know my father has a map of Lusaka that was issued just after all the road name changes; I assume '65 or '66. Not sure how interesting this will be as it is probably the same as today, with the exception of all new roads built since. I think that a map of Lusaka as it is today would be interesting - Heather! If you think that this would be of interest let me know and I will arrange to get it to you, if my memory is correct I think that the map is rolled not folded which should make it easier to scan.

He also has a map of Rhodes Park, the area where we lived, that was issued in the early sixties. It gives the names of all the people living in the area and was used for reference during the nightly patrols before 1964. Not sure if this will be of interest.

Not sure how many but I think he also has a number of programs from the Lusaka Theatre Club. I will ask him to look for these. If my memory serves me correctly he also has a number of newspaper cuttings, I will have to ask.

I emailed you last night re the Souvenir Program.

Hartley


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 11:30:37 (UTC)


Charlie

I know you asked Wayne but I'm going to reply on his behalf! I am sure he won't mind - will you Wayne? He can always correct me if I am wrong! I think the 'red spitfire' belonged to a certain 'annus horribulus' teacher who went by the name of 'Snelling'. He was my teacher for two years and I disliked him intensely - as did most of the kids! I believe he spent many hours with another 'annus horribulus' - Mrs Cook!

Sorry I missed you over the festive season but I will be back in September - maybe we can catch up then?


Wayne

Sorry I missed you to! Love you dearly 'boet'.

Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby)Click here to contact me
London, England
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 10:54:26 (UTC)


Heather, Jilly, and chisanga
From Jade and Leah .....thanks, they wanted the names for a competition that is being run by the Perth Zoo, to name the baby Rhino that was born Christmas day (72kgs at birth) it is a female, and is gorgeous !!!!
Thanks.....

oh by the way I had a Natal plum today..interesting taste, also a Marula berry, one of the ladies that does design with me got them from the zoo yesterday they have both trees growing in the African Savannah she was talking to one of the guides and he told her about them and what the South Africans do when they see them growing in Perth,"they pinch them", she mentioned that one of the ladies in her design class comes from Africa, so she asked if she could have one each, he said yes so I had the good fortune of trying both, I have saved the seeds and am going to try and grow both , the Marula berry is not as nice as the cream though !!!
Alixandria

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 09:23:21 (UTC)



No No Charles Chilanga was a cement.
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How any one could regard Alice Lenshina as anything but a maniac
as she used to wander off into the bush on her own for long periods and then return and tell her poor followers that while she was out there she had communicated with God who had come down to see her, and then implant all sorts of codswallop into there muddled brains, the worst one being that if you smeared your body with urine and excreta you would be immune to bullets from the rifles of the goverment
and our friend the lawer/ solicitor must have caught her in some of her lucid moments as the doctors pronounced that she had been suffering from syphilis of the brain, and there actions would have provoked retaliation in any county of the world, but they were pushing there luck in a country
that had an immature outlook on most things, but treason at the time was foremost on there list, as was defacing stamps coinage etc,shed no tears for Alice.
Regards Johnny.





JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 02:43:10 (UTC)


Northerners!

Yesterday evening I went over to visit Peter Hills, about an hours drive away.

Peter was waiting, grinning as he revealed his latest find, he knew I'd be blown away. I certainly was.

On his office table were two large scale maps (3.16 inches to the mile) dated 1961 from the Department of Federal Surveys, covering Ndola and Luanshya on one map, and with Kitwe, Chingola and Mufulira on the other.

Both maps are in absolute pristine condition, tucked away and nearly forgotten for over 40 years.

The Kitwe Map on the GNR site is probably based on a similar Federal Survey Map - I will check with Dave Cooper tomorrow.

I was going to keep these maps aside until the new GNR website was up and running, but they will take a little time to scan properly, the maps are creased on their natural folds and also need many hours of work to remove these creases digitally. So instead of waiting for months I am releasing a sort of preview before any work is carried out on them. I do not intend working on making another Kitwe map as there is no point, the one already on the site is probably the best you will ever see.

Luanshya comes first - the other maps of Chingola, Mufulira and Ndola will follow soon. Please bear in mind this map has been compressed in jpeg and even so, is still a large image at 880kb (the average image posted on the message board is around 30-40kb). When the image has opened right click on it and save it on your computer to save it if you wish. It is not even near it's best and will be replaced in the future when I have worked on it.

If anyone has access to, or knows of any people who can vacuum scan large dimension documents in the UK I would like hear from you. I intend to get these maps in high resolution and on to CD for distribution to the members of the GNR.

This is another score for the Copperbelt! All the waiting images I have are also Copperbelt. It is no use complaining that the Copperbelt dominates if members do not send their images for posting. Has anyone a good detailed maps of Lusaka, Broken Hill, Livingstone etc etc.? Come on you people !


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Luanshya - 1961 - Department of Federal Survey Map - Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland

From the collection of Peter Hills.

To those who have sent images in for the site and are awaiting their posting please be patient. I know you will all understand.


Thank you Peter

Thank you Craig



Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 23:02:02 (UTC)


Wayne,
What vehicle did Ronnie (and Dianne (nee Kilner)) own?
Regs


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 18:50:02 (UTC)


Hi Heather and Chisanga
Now you really have got me checking myself. Where would I have picked up the name "Chilangwe" (B/Rhino) - save my mispent youth in Zambia/NR! I always believed that Chilanga was a corruption of the word. Please let me know as I'm now very curious.
Wayne,
Have you received John Pickering's Response? Who was the Housemaster with the red spitfire? I recall "Pongo" Peters - with his old merc (and many others), but none with a sportscar (except Mrs Smith with her silver Kharmann Ghia - but that was at JSS).
Regards

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 18:47:48 (UTC)


Heather

The name for Rhino in Bemba is Chipembele, not Ichipembele.
I am interested however to note the similarity of the name in the various Luba languages (Bemba, Kaonde etc.)

Thank you very much for the very informative piece on Lenshina. I had no idea I would learn so much when I first mentioned this several weeks ago.

You may be interested to know that I went to Zambia as a young law student in 1973. The idea was to spend the summer holiday acting as an assistant to a Zambian lawyer.

I felt fortunate to spend the summer of 73 in Livingstone with the late Pierce Annfield who represented Lenshina at the time. Lenshina was incarcerated at the local prison.

I visited her several times to discuss the habeas corpus application that we had launched and to prepare the affidavit that we would be relying upon. During those visits I discovered that Alice, as Pierce Annfield always called her,was a very intelligent woman with a keen mind and an ability to inspire loyalty.

Lenshina took very little time to understand what our strategy was. I have had the honour to represent better "educated" political prisoners in Zambia, but none has been as sharp as Lenshina, who claimed an inability to understand English. I say claimed, because Alice never had problems understanding English terms when I inadvertently used them in my discussions with her. Indeed she seemed to anticipate me on many occasions.

Our conversations were conducted in Chibemba and I could have taken a degree in the language when my business with her was finally over and I was returned to England.

The best proof there is that Lenshina understood the legal proceedings is that our habeas corpus application, based entirely on evidence obtained from Lenshina, succeeded. Unfortunately, as you have observed, Lenshina was re-arrested shortly after the court had declared her detention illegal. This did not surprise me.

I was surprised however at the number of inquiries we, as a law firm, received about Lenshina from followers and well wishers. One of these enquiries came from a Mr. Phiri who had apparently been incarcerated at Lundazi for being a member of Lenshina's sect. I will never forget the joy shown by Lenshina when I delivered the news. She wanted to know every detail about Mr. Phiri's welfare.

Lenshina had a human side and she clearly was a leader. I hope that history will be kinder to her than so many of her contemporaries have been.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 17:00:15 (UTC)


Hi All

There is a sequence of contemporary newspaper accounts of the Lumpa Uprising on www.nrzam.plus.com under Miscellaneous. A couple of other links too.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 14:58:30 (UTC)


Craig,
Our family thoughts and condolences are with you in your grief.
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 14:22:07 (UTC)



Mary Fisher, Russell Volk, Madeleine Luckin

Happy Birthday





What A Disaster```

On Monday I thought I would take a quick trip to Blue Lagoon National Park. 'What? In the middle of the wet season?' I can hear you asking. Well ... just a few weeks ago, I received a press release from the WWF saying that the road had now been repaired, so I figured it should be fine.

But it wasn't. I got about three-quarters of the way there to find an enormous mud patch and when we walked through it, we sunk up to our knees and there was no way round it. I decided to be sensible and turned back. But we did see a few interesting things along the way:

The Mwembeshi River

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A false Baobab (I can't remember its proper name right now)

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and some Marabou storks

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We also stopped in at one of the game farms on the way back for lunch

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Alix

Bemba - icipembele
Kaonde - kipembele
Lozi - sukulu
Lunda - insontu
Luvale - soto
Nyanja - chipembele
Tonga - chipembele

Chipembele was the nickname given to Sir Stewart Gore-Browne of Shiwa Ng'andu.

Chisanga Puta-Chekwe

I agree with you - neither of the parties have a full appreciation of what is going on. There are a few individuals who do, but they are lonely voices.

Marion

ALice Lenshina's true name was Alice Lenshina Mulenga Lubusha. She was born in the early 1920's in Senior Chief Nkula's area of Chinsali. Nkula is a Bemba chiefdom on the loop of the lower Lubu River near the Lubwa River, at the far end of the Muchinga Escarpment. Alice was from Kasomo Village. Her father was a relative of Paramount Chief Chitimukulu, Senior Chief Nkulu Chewe and Chief Mukwikile. Her mother was Musungu Chimba who was also of royal blood.

She was not executed. She died a natural death after being incarcerated for many years.

She was arrested in Kasama on 11 August 1964 and spent her time in various different prisons around Zambia including Mumbwa, Livingstone, Chingombe and Kalabo. Despite being arrested in 1964, she was only served with grounds of detention in 1970. In 1973, a Tribunal was held to review her continued detention. The Tribunal ruled that her detention had been unlawful and that she should be released. However, instead of being released she was transferred to Mukobeko Maximum Security Prison in Kabwe. She was finally released from there on 23 December 1975, but was not allowed to leave Lusaka. From then until the beginning of 1978 she lived in a house in Chilenje, Lusaka where she was, effectively, under house arrest. On 7 December 1978 she died peacefully in her home. But even then, it did not end. The authorities would not release her body for burial. Finally, on 15 December 1978 she was put to rest in the small house built on the site of the demolished Kamutola Church. A bed was placed in the house and the roof was sealed. A small pigeon hole was left to allow fresh air to enter the hut.

I also question whether everything about Alice Lenshina was 'to a negative end'. Her main crime, as far as I can see, was because her followers were asked to abstain from politics. Was this such a bad thing? And her religion - was it not a good thing as it was a truly African church and not something that was foisted on them by foreigners? Certainly, telling her followers that they would be protected from bullets was not right, but was the intimidation and violence unleashed on them by UNIP not the start of it all?

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 14:05:49 (UTC)


re my question about alice lenshina,

i searched and got the answer myself, she was detained, eventually released, and died some time later,, no public executions!

thanks


Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 13:57:07 (UTC)


Hi Northerners...

I am in Clearwater Beach Florida for two weeks. Any one soaking up sun nearby?


Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 08:47:32 (UTC)


On behalf of Joy Alexander I would like to thank everyone for their messages of sympathy both on the Message Board and privately. Special thanks to those who attended Pat's funeral, many of whom I hadn't seen for at least 20 years.

God Bless you all.
Sandra

Sandra Hooper (née Marsh)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 07:47:22 (UTC)


The Lumpa uprising

I remember that one of the police who had been called to duty to help put down the Lenshina uprising came to visit my parents. After we were went to bed, he detailed some of the horrors that he had experienced in so doing. I had not fallen asleep, and could hear his voice clearly.

We had not TV so i had not heard much about it till then, and for some reason misremember the name as Anna Lenshina... which i see from Doug's posting, was incorrect.

I clearly remember how horrified our friend had felt about having to fire on women and boys, along with the men, who despite having their comrades fall to their death on either side of them, continued to rush into gunfire, carrying only spears, convinced that they were invincible. It was frankly a very frightening bed time story,made all the more gruesome by its truth. How incredibly inspiring this Alice Lenshina must have been, albeit to a negative end! Is it true that they held a public execution of her, as they felt there was no other way to convince her followers that she was dead?

I heard that too, but am not sure of the truth of it?



Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 03:21:23 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.

Added two items from Gil Wilson to the Contributions section: Cover pages from a Kabwe Horse Show and the Programme from the award winning Teachers' College Kabwe entry to a Theatre Association of Zambia Drama Festival - Hunter of God - a Lozi Legend.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 23:05:53 (UTC)


Heather Chalcraft

Thank you for your message. It took me a while to see it because I have not been on the GNR site for a while.

I do look forward to hearing from you with respect to the political situation in Z. Going by what I see in the papers it does not appear that either the government or the opposition have a full appreciation of the dire straits in which the country finds itself. Would that be a fair assessment?

Chisanga.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 15:47:40 (UTC)


Many of you will remember that Sandra, my wife, underwent surgery to remove a malignant tumour from her colon in February last year. At that time many of you posted messages of support here for her and I -- I printed them all for her and she was incredibly touched and honoured (as was I).

Sadly, Sandra lost the battle on Sunday, February 16th, 2003. While we were expecting another six to twelve months with her, the fact that pneumonia claimed her relatively quickly in the end was probably a blessing when compared with the possibilities awaiting her had the cancer taken her instead. I already miss her.

As we've discussed before, rather than turn this message board into an obituaries column, I have set up an on-line memorial book on my own site. If you do feel so inclined, please leave a message there and I will again print them for her family. Thank-you.

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 14:33:21 (UTC)


Alix,

I may have got the spelling incorrect for your white rhino. According to Clive Walker's Signs of the Wild - here are a few translations for you:
Zulu: Mkhombe
Tswana: Tshukudu, Mogohu, Kgetlwa
Transvaal Sotho: Tshukudu, Mogohu
Venda: Tshuguly
Sindebele: Unhofu
Shona: Chipembere (also Black rhino)
Siswati: Umkhombe

Interestingly no Shangaan name provided, but I was told Nkombe by the Shangaan tracker who taught me in 1997.

Hope that helps,

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 11:09:25 (UTC)


Very happy birthday, Gill!

Lots Love, Jill!

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 09:09:54 (UTC)


Alix,
White Rhino is Nkombe in Shangaan.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 09:01:39 (UTC)



GILLY MAIN many happy returns of the day, lots of love Johnny.
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JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 06:57:50 (UTC)


Peter Dielissen

Hope you have a good trip.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 06:01:47 (UTC)


GILLIAN BARBARA MAIN

Happy Birthday old friend!!

Love
Bridget

Bridget BillanyClick here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 20:59:24 (UTC)


GILLIAN BARABARA MAIN



Bridget BillanyClick here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 20:58:04 (UTC)


Peter D,
I received an email from an 'auld' BH friend that went as follows: "I fly down on Monday. Can you still put me up for a night if I want to stay on for Friday night? And if so, would you be able to collect me from the drop off zone at Cape Town airport on Friday arvie?"
"ARVIE?" - Now that should jog your memory from the 60's!
Another South African word not on your list is "Robots" for "traffic lights". I better stop right now - I could be online all night covering this subject.
Regards



Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 20:50:21 (UTC)


WORDS ONLY A SOUTH AFRICAN and Rhodesians UNDERSTANDS

AG
This is one of the most useful South African words. Pronounced like the "ach" n the German "achtung", it can be used to start a reply when you are asked a ricky question, as in "Ag, I don't know." Or a sense of resignation "Ag, I'll have ome more mieliepap then." It can stand alone too as a signal of irritation or of pleasure.

DONNER
A rude word, it comes from the Afrikaans "donder" (thunder). Pronounced "donner", it means "beat up." Your rugby team can get donnered in a game, or your boss can donner you if you do a lousy job.

EINA
Widely used by all language groups, this word, derived from Afrikaans means "ouch.". Pronounced "aynah", you can shout it out in sympathy when someone burns his finger on a hot mealie at a braai.

HEY
Often used at the end of a sentence to emphasise the importance of what has just been said, as in "Jislaaik boet, you're only going to get a lekker klap if you can't find your takkies now, hey ?" It can also stand alone as a question. Instead of saying, "excuse me?" Or "pardon?" when you have not heard something directed at you, you can say "Hey?"

ISIT?
This is a great word in conversation. Derived from the two words "is" and "it", it can be used when you have nothing to contribute if someone tells you at the braai "The Russians will succeed in their bid forcapitalism once they adopt a work ethic and respect for private ownership." It is quite appropriate to respond by saying, "Isit?"

JAWELNOFINE
This is another conversation fallback word. Derived from the four words "yes", "well", "no" and "fine", it means roughly "how about that?" If your bank manager tells you your account is overdrawn, you can say with confidence "Jawelnofine."

JISLAAIK
Pronounced "Yis-like", it is an expression of astonishment. For instance, if someone tells you there are a billion people in China, a suitable comment is "Jislaaik, that's a hang of a lot of people, hey?"

KLAP
Pronounced "klup" - an Afrikaans word meaning smack, whack or spank. If you spend too much time at the bioscope at exam time, you could end up catching a sharp klap from your pa. In America, that is called child abuse, in South Africa, it is called promoting education.

LEKKER
An Afrikaans word meaning nice. This word is used by all language groups to express approval. If you see someone of the opposite sex who is good-looking, you can exclaim "Lekkerrr!" while drawing out the last syllable.

TAKKIES
These are sneakers or running shoes. The word is also used to describe automobile or truck tyres. "Fat tackies" are big tyres, as in "Where did you get those lekker fat tackies on your Volksie, hey?"

DOP
This word has two basic meanings; one good and one bad. First, the good. A dop is a drink, a cocktail, a sundowner, a noggin. If you are invited over for a dop be careful. It could be one or two sedate drinks or a blast, depending on the company you have fallen in with. Now the bad. To dop is to fail. If you dopped Standard Two (Grade 4) more than once, you probably won't be reading this.

SARMIE
This is a sandwich. For generations, school children have traded sarmies during lunch breaks. If you are sending kids off to school in the morning, don't give them liver-polony sarmies. They are the toughest to trade.

HOWZIT
This is a universal South African greeting and you will hear this word throughout the land. It is often used with the word "no" as in this exchange: "No, howzit?". "No, fine." "No, isit?".

WHAT'S POTTING ?
Local vernacular for " Whats happening " or " What's up" . This term has no gardening connection whatsoever.

BIOSCOPE
A local word now losing a little fashion. Meaning movie theatre, cinema, flicks or pictures, depending on which part of the world you come from.

JUST NOW
Contrary to it's apparent meaning, ' just now ' can mean anytime from now right through to the next millennium. Asked to do a job you don't particularly like, you would reply: "Ja, I'll do it just now"

NOW NOW
In much of the outside world, this is a comforting phrase: "Now, now, don't cry - I'll take you to the bioscope tomorrow." But in South Africa, this phrase means a little sooner than soon. "I'll clean my room now now Ma." Knowing that you will receive a well deserved ' klap ' if you don't do it at once. It is a little more urgent than "just now".

BOET
This is an Afrikaans word meaning "brother" which is shared by all language groups. Pronounced "boot" as in "foot", it can be applied to non-brother. For instance a father can call his son" boet" and friends can apply the term to each other too. Sometimes the diminutive boetie" is used. Don't use the term with someone you hardly know -- it would be thought patronizing.

PASOP
From the Afrikaans phrase meaning "Watch out!". This warning is used and heeded by all language groups. As in: "Your ma hasn't had her morning coffee yet Boet so pasop and stay out of her way." Sometimes just the word "pasop" is enough without further explanation.Everyone knows it sets out a line in the sand not to be crossed.

VROT
Pronounced "frot". A wonderful word which means "rotten" or "putrid"in Afrikaans. It is used by all language groups to describe anything they really don't like. Most commonly it describes fruit and vegetables whose shelf-lives have long expired, but a pair of takkies(sneakers), worn a few times too often, can be termed "vrot" by unfortunate folk in the same room as the wearer. Also, a rugby player who misses important tackles, can be said to have played a vrot game; but not to his face
because he won't appreciate it. We once saw a movie review with this headline "Slick Flick, Vrot Plot." Vrot can also mean drunk - or afterwards, suffering from a hangover.

JA-NEE
Afrikaans for "Yes/No". This expression's origin is believed to have originated when a family member starts talking politics (what else do we talk about in South Africa?) and you don't want to cause a political argument and get klapped or donnered. Then every now and then you mutter, Ja-Nee." ( pronounced yah -near )

GRAZE
In a country with a strong agricultural tradition, it is not surprising that farming words crop up (pun intended) in general conversation. Thus to graze means to eat. If you are invited to the bioscope, you may be asked: "Do you want to catch a graze first?"

CATCH A TAN
This is what you do when you lie on the beach pretending to study for your matric exams. The Brits, who have their own odd phrases, say they are getting "bronzed". Nature has always been unkind to South African school children, providing beach and swimming pool weather just when they should be swotting for the mid-summer finals. If you spend too much time "catching a tan" at exam time, you could end up catching a sharp "klap" from your pa.

ROCK UP
To rock up at some place is to just sort of arrive. You don't make an appointment or tell anyone you are coming - you just rock up. Friends can do that, but you have to be selective about it. You can't just rock up for an interview or at a five star restaurant. You give them a bell first, then you can rock up.

BELL
South African vernacular for telephone call; as in "Ja Boet, I'll give you a bell just now." Which means phoning anytime from now to eternity.

SCALE
To scale something is to steal it. A person who is "scaly" is not nice. He's a scumbag and should be left off the Christmas party invitation list.


Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 19:53:41 (UTC)


Sorry Mike

Please don't apologise. I must have sounded realy heavy, which was never my intention! Thank you for reminding us of the story.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 19:05:16 (UTC)


Beth Lloyd,
Thanks for the call on Sunday AM. Although it was about Topsy - it's always great to hear from you.
Thanks - and I will be in touch.

Alix,
As far as I recall, we only had/have the Black Rhino (Diceros bicornis) in NR/Zambia. The most common name is 'Chipembele'. I vaguely recall a couple of other names - 'Chilangwe' (Kaonda tribe?) and 'Sukulu' (sounds like Sotho to me). Maybe Chris Swart can clarify.

Wayne,
Surely you can help Alix with the above. I'll ask John Pickering whether he was from the CBelt, or not, and let you know. Hope all is well with you.

Regards
CJ

PS The Artful Fly-maker-and-Caster's silence is now becoming ominous!


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 15:57:44 (UTC)




Doug Grewar

Apologies Doug. You were of course right. It was the right arm.
Mike


Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 11:06:51 (UTC)


Thanks Wayne,

I'd love to be your Valentine.





Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 10:07:41 (UTC)


Hi All....... I am looking for the African translation for Rhinoceros....in particular white Rhino any tribal name will do......thanks
Ali


Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 10:00:34 (UTC)


Hi all,

Firstly, condolences to Lynette and family. Topsy will always be remembered as an icon from our early years. May god bless all of you.

Beth, you really made me feel bad. Dare I ask, even though it may be but a belated request, that you be my valentine? I think Daffy needs to be severely reprimanded. On that subject, my wife didn't get the nod-in either on the day. Any take-hers ? Please!! Pretty please!!!!

Great to read, what are always words of wisdom from fellow members of the BH society. It's been a while. Charlie, was the John Pickering that you had a chat with from Mufulira? I knew a chap who if I remember was a pretty good golfer. He went to boarding school at KG, in the days when the top hostel was closed and boarders moved down to PP.

Hi Jacqui, sorry we missed you over the festive.

Cheers Wayne

Wayne MilwardClick here to contact me
Gonubie, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 09:17:59 (UTC)


Northerners

I recently added my name to the site. I was born in Muf(55) and also spent several years in Chingola. I went to Mary Moffart, Muf primary then Ross Ave. My parents then packed me off to St. Stephens at Balla Balla in the then Rhodesia. Are there guys out there that followed the same route, especially the years in the old Northern Rhodesia. It would be interesting to exchange stories.

A family croc story. A few years back my wife, our kids(all small) and my sister, her husband and kids were up by the Falls. The kids were all over the river and wanted to know why nobody was fishing. I joked that the crocs would have a field day with all the so called Vallies from the South. The next day we (my brother-in-law and I) went White Watering for the day. When we returned to enjoy a few cold beers we were met with the story that a croc had played tug of war with a gentleman's leg. He was pulled to the shore by some brave or stuipid people and will have a story to take to the grave. Needless to say the rest of the time at the camp site we had no problems with the kids and the river.

Leslie DaviesClick here to contact me
Loch Vaal, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 09:10:15 (UTC)


Folks, I have such sad news

Topsy Robinson died on Thursday 13th February, 2003.

Our heartfelt and sincere condolences to Lynette and family. Topsy was a wonderful person and an absolute legend in Broken Hill.

To use the words of a GNR web siter earlier this year, Lynette, "may the love that you and Topsy had, be your constant companion."

The funeral is being held at the Catholic Church in van Reibeeck Street, Potch. at 12:00p.m.





Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, February 17, 2003 at 07:37:06 (UTC)


Mike Wilson

I remember that clip on TV slightly differently.

The woman with a baby on her back was running towards the police / army to attack them with a spear held in her right hand. After being shot throught the right upper arm, which then as you say was flapping around on a strip of flesh, she picked up the spear with her left hand and continued to advance on the troops. She was then shot dead but the last picture showed the baby on her back still alive.

The Lumpas were made fearless by the muti which Alice Lenshina gave them, mostly psychological of course, but the troops were terrified of them. They would run fearlessly into machine gun fire. It was on the same news report that I saw a Bren gun being fired from the shoulder instead of the gunner lying down and putting the heavy gun on its bipod.

A large number of the Lumpas moved into the Congo and set up a camp at Mokambo, just across the border from my plots and farm at Murundu (7 miles north of Mufulira). I employed many of these people and found them to be good workers. Some of the older ones used to work for my wife's father Frank Rumsey on his Mbesuma Ranch near Chinsali many years ago.

One good side effect was that the police never liked to come and pester me too often, knowing that I had many Lumpas on the property. If they did visit and out stayed their welcome, all I had to do was shout "Jericho" (the Lumpa warcry) and the cops would dissappear in a cloud of dust. I remember one time when the one cop panicked and threw his shotgun ahead of him into the landrover and it somehow went off and blew a big hole through the far side door. After that they realy moved.

They later tried to frame me with this damage but as I had no shotgun it obviously couldn't be me, so they failed. I didn't need firearms, I had Lumpas; much more dangerous!

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 19:55:19 (UTC)


Re Linda's Texan Bass, reminds me of a joke about a Texan who visits the U.K. and gets a taxi from the airport into London and driving along the motorway the conversation goes as,

Texan:[In his Texan drawl] Hey driver what ya call that airpoprt back there.
Driver: Heathrow sir.
Texan: How long did it take to build.
Driver: About twelve years sir.
Texan: In Texas we build them twice as long and twice as wide in half the time.
Driving along the motorway.
Texan: Hey driver what ya call this highway.
Driver: It's the famous M-1 sir London straight to Birmingham.
Texan: How long did it take to build.
Driver: About ten years sir.
Texan: In Texas we build them twice as long and twice as wide in half the time.
As they enter London the driver is geting a bit p*ssed off,they stop at the trafic lights, and right opposite is the houses of Parliament.
Texan: Hey driver what ya call that building over there.
Driver:B*ggard if I know, it wasn't there yesterday.

Same Texan next day going up the River Thames on a cruise.

Texan: Hey Captain what ya call this stretch of water.
Captain. It's the famous River Thames sir.
Texan: River, in Texas we have streams as big as this.
Passing by Windsor Castle.
Texan: Hey Captain what ya call that building over there.
Captain: That sir is Windsor Castle.
Texan: Castle, in Texas we have outhouses as big as that
Further up the river they pass this massive Gasometer[tank].
Texan: Hey Captain what is that over there.
Captain: That sir is for boiling our cabbages in.



Jimmy ChurchilClick here to contact me
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 14:17:03 (UTC)




Hi Heather,

Thanks for your offer to help find some information regarding Mary Gough and for your praise of the photos. The Luangwa Valley is such a magical place it'not difficult to take interesting shots.


Hi Johnny,

The History of the Northern Rhodesia Police by Tme Wright has some information relating to the Lumpa uprising and the number of fatalities, although official figures tend to be low in these sort of happenings. Anyone who was watching the local television news at that time will remember tha shot of an african women running in terror towards the camera, her left arm shot through and flapping uselessly as she ran. Some of Lenshima's followers were housed at the bottm of Central Street in Nkana East for a while. The walls of their houses were still standing in 1987, although the corrugated iron roofs and the windows had been stripped.


Hi Arthur,

You mentioned a family named Schmid who lived in Boma Street. Is this the same family that had a Ford T with a built up back. One of the family, I presume the father, would from time to time disappear into the bush for a few weeks with this vehicle and return witha load of game meat. Nkana mine was very understanding about these absences.

Regards, Mike





Mike WilsonClick here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 12:07:05 (UTC)


If you are trying to trace old friends, the link below will take you to a site that in turn has links to the online telephone directories in most countries.

http://www.infobel.com/teldir/



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 17:12:24 (UTC)


An update...

Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 15:04:54 (UTC)


For Paudie:

A year ago...
------------

Once again you found me
A lifetime later, we’ve got
love and this second chance.
I remember how we danced,

familiar voice and lips caress,
never forgotten feelings. I confess
to loving you exactly the same...

and any question you may ask
is answered remembering the past.
Did I love you -- really love you?
Yes, I have, I did always and I do.



Sue FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 11:54:58 (UTC)


Hartley,

Your message made very interesting and thoughtful reading.

All,

I know I promised the results of the survey last weekend. They took longer to compile than I thought they would (I hadn't touched them since we completed the survey) and I have just one question to finish. However, I have been called away to deal with a family situation and probably won't be able to finish until around the middle of next week.

Thanks for your never-ending patience.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 05:37:53 (UTC)


Well done Hartley.
I lived in the UK for a total of 5 years in the early eighties. I realised during that time that I couldn't get Africa out of my blood and that, despite the fact that the UK can be a good place to live, I was the proverbial fish out of water, and was miserable.
My wife and I then made the mistake of seeing "Out Of Africa", and exited the cinema to icy pavements and the bitter chill of winter. There was no turning back.
We discussed the situation. The only feasible place to go was SA but it was 1987. Sanctions were in place; Mandela still in jail.
So what, we reasoned, if we only got 6 months or a year back in Africa, it would still have been worth it.
So we did it, and 17 wonderful, happy years have passed since then. OK, Joburg is not the Zambia we knew, but it is great to exist amongst like-minded people; to see the sun rise and set most days; to smell familiar smells; and to be in a location where wildlife, the sea, the desert and the mountains are all accessible by good roads within hours.
The lifestyle is great. Yes, there are frustrations and it may all end with a bang, but if I am ultimately forced to leave these shores at least I'll be able to say that I 'stole' an extra 17 years of happiness in Africa.

Incidentally, I was one of the group of ex-Ndola Primary School mates that returned to Zambia in September last year (see Ray Norton's GNR report of Oct 2002). The trip was one of the highlights of my life and a fantastic experience for all of us. Cameraderie at its best - and it was SO good to be home. Definitely an emotional and spiritual experience of the sort probably experienced by pilgrims visiting Lourdes or Mecca. I highly recommend it - especially if you are able to go with close ex-school mates.


Geoff PaynterClick here to contact me
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, February 14, 2003 at 14:51:29 (UTC)


Hi everyone,

Have to share this with you. Yesterday afternoon when I went to collect my daughter - there were two Zimbabeans in the school parking lot, selling the most beautiful crocheted (sp) table cloths. Whilst admiring them, I told them that I was born in Zambia .... etc etc ...... & asked where they'd gone to school.

Did I gasp when the one lady said Oreal Girls (sp) (which was opposite Chisi in Harare where I was schooled) - where she received her A. levels but can't get a job up there, hence she's here selling whatever she can to make a living.

I drove home in tears ............ its all so terribly sad.

Happy Valentines Day to all of you who weren't wished. My husband asked my child why she was wearing red and white civvies to school today????? What can I say!!!!



Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, February 14, 2003 at 10:40:12 (UTC)


Mike Wilson

I shall certainly find out about Mary Gough. First by asking people who were around and about the Luangwa in the 70's and also by looking through newspapers in the archives. I'll keep you posted on what I find out. And thank you for your lovely photos. When we spoke at Banbury, I didn't expect them to be as wonderful as they are.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 14, 2003 at 06:37:06 (UTC)


Ron Sayer

Happy Birthday from all the Benders in Lusaka.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 14, 2003 at 05:26:03 (UTC)


Heather - Thanks! Already looking forward to hearing about the finger left in Kariba Dam and other stories.

"Undo Key" Item - Dante quote in my message below was supposed to read: "Abandon all hope ye who enter here."

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 23:58:24 (UTC)


Ali

As you know you and your vibrant water color pencils have got me and others drawing. Lots to learn but my most faithful flame lily rendering was definitely done from life. I picked the last one from the garden last year and seeing exactly how it came together was everything for me. Could also draw 'em growing.

Happy Valentine's Day to all you guys and girls on the GNR...

Hugs to you all.

Tina

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 20:17:16 (UTC)



The discourse on Alice revived the memory again in my brain of the day of the slaughter, I think the figure was some where in the 850 range that day at Lundazi, and on interview on the evening news on television one of the Wina brothers was being interviewed I think it was Sikota, was asked if if he thought any thing had been learnt by Alice and her followers today, replied yes they have learnt that smearing there bodies with urine and excreta does not stop bullets, as they had been taught to believe by that deranged
woman, I remember what was left of them went to live over the border in the Congo but would be interested in hearing if they are still practicing today somewhere?
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 20:12:46 (UTC)


bamboo:

not all bamboo are runners, some very happily remain exactly where you put them. There are many species of bamboo, so i recommend a little reseach and find the one you like.

good luck
( for they are meant to bring good luck)
Marion

Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:18:06 (UTC)


oooops ......I meant Hyena....
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 14:27:35 (UTC)


Linda
I am very aware of the wayward life of Bamboo, I should have mentioned I want to grow it in a pot !
All Flame Lily admirers I am happy to say that my flame lilies are finally in bud, and hopefully I will be able to paint them rather from photos ....just like Tina the Heyena !!!

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 14:25:47 (UTC)


Alix
Run for your life before you think about growing bamboo!! That, and canaas (spelling?) will take over your whole garden. I have seen people in my neighbourhood proudly displaying their canaas one summer, only to be digging to China to get them out the next year. He! He! Don't flog me, bamboo lovers, please. I'm sure it has some use other than to stick in your skin when you touch it.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 13:41:46 (UTC)



Betty Mahady, Ian Kyle and Muriel Westmore

Happy Birthday for yesterday.

Ann Atkinson, Ian Errington and Ken MacLeod

Hayy Birthday for today.




Tina Magee
A number of them stayed on and are now in business here. I'm in the process of catching up with some of them, getting their stories including Rocky who is always proud to show his four-fingered hand and tell us how the other finger is in the dam wall at Kariba.

Chisanga Puta-Chekwe
Went back to look for something on the January message board and saW your comment about Richard Hall and the Lenshina crisis. There is an excellent book which was published a couple of years ago about the Lenshina crisis. It is entitled 'Blood On Their Hands'. Can't remember who the author is (my copy is at home), but is was extremely interesting and, I think, fairly written. But it, very clearly, laid the blame at UNIP's door.

Another interesting book was written by John Hudson, entitled 'A Time To Mourn' which gives his account. He was DC at Isoka at the time.

Last year in April, I went up to Chinsali and visited the remains of Sion and Alice's mausoleum. It must have been a beautiful church. The church still operates, I think under the name of New Jerusalem. I shall have to check in the book.

Click for image. Click for image.

I know I still owe you a reply to your email - I'll try to get around to it in the next few days.

Ken Miller
Reading your comment about Barbara Hall's collection of letters reminded me of a columnist, Kapelwa Musonda, who used to write, every Tuesday, for the Times of Zambia. A collection of his columns was published and I have scanned one for you.

I've just managed to lay my hands on a copy of Richard Hall's book, Zambia, published in 1965. I have employed a young man who is travelling out to all the villages and buying old books that deal with Zambia's history. It's amazing what he has found.

JUST WHO IS THIS GUY CALLED GOVERNMENT?
During a motion to give a vote of thanks to His Excellency's speech opening the current session of Parliament members took advantage of the occasion to launch some criticism on the Government. The Government was accused of failure of rural development projects, shortage of medical facilities and lack of proper control of public funds.
As I read the speeches in the daily paper, I couldn't help concluding that whoever this guy Government was, he was responsible for all the ills which this country was going through. My curiosity to meet him and find out his reaction to all these speeches of accusation intensified. Who the hell is this guy Government who my MP claims is inefficient, haughty, slows down development, mishandles funds and considers himself a god and not a servant of the people?
A few days ago, while filling up our car with some petrol, I solicited some information of him from the petrol attendant.
'Does the guy Government ever come up here for his supply of fuel?' I asked.
'He comes to this station, very often,' he replied. 'You have met him then?'
'Never, he always sends one of his several employees. He must have thousands of vehicles. I am not surprised that he has difficulties maintaining them.'
'I presume you have heard that he is not very popular with Members of Parliament.'
'He is not popular with our chief accountant either. He doesn't pay his bills on time.'
'Do you know if he is a man or woman?'
'I wouldn't know, I have never met him, I told you.'
The other day I was negotiating with a headmaster of our local school. I was trying to induce him to squeeze into the first grade one of my dependants.
'My good man,' he said, 'I just can't do it. All places are completely filled up. I suggest you tell the Government to build more schools.'
'I would if I met the guy. Do you know where I can find him?'
The headmaster threw up his arms: 'I work for him but I have never met the guy.'
'He has been under fire recently by Members of Parliament,' I told him.
'He has always been under fire by members of my staff. I am sure if he appeared at this school, they would tear him apart.' 'What has he done to this school?'
'My teachers claim he underpays them, gives them shoddy or no housing and doesn't provide enough funds for the - maintenance of the school buildings and the surroundings.'
Next I talked to a man who was driving a GRZ vehicle. 'You do drive him around then?' I asked. 'Never, just some of his employees.' 'But this is his vehicle.'
'It certainly is, but he never uses it.'
'I presume you have heard of the criticism levelled against him by Members of Parliament?'
'There was nothing new in what they said. The people I carry are always saying some nasty things about him.'
'What do they say?'
'Everything that is going wrong, they blame it on him.' 'There is a serious shortage of cooking oil now in the country .'
'They blame that on him too.' 'I have talked to thousands of people during the past few days. Lawyers, peasants, street sweepers, civil servants, nurses, barmaids, doctors and loafers. Everyone knows a great deal about him and has a bone to pick with him but none has ever met him. Finally I thought I should ask Comrade Bonzo. If he didn't know, then I felt I would conclude that such a character just doesn't exist and is just imaginary, a figure you would blame for everything that is wrong.
'Comrade,' I said one evening as we were having our last round, 'you know almost everybody around, have you ever met a guy popularly referred to as Government. He may go by other names but everybody calls him this.'
'Of course I have.' 'I would like to meet him, do you think you can arrange an introduction? That wouldn't be necessary. If you want to meet him all you have to do is go where he usually sits.'
And where is that? 'A big copper-plated house on the hill in Olympia park.' 'That's strange, but that's where all the speeches criticising his misdeeds were being made the whole of last week.'
'That's very much like him all right. Always shifting blame on someone else. Right now because of the mess we are in, he is trying to pretend he is not the Government.'
Bonzo drained his glass of beer. 'But let's not be too hard on him, he brews very good beer.'
'Is he in the brewing business too?' 'That's right, but he would be much happier if we didn't drink the stuff. That's him, comrade, that's him, go to the copper-plated big house up the hill, you will find him seated there.'
The following day, I went to Parliament and approached the first MP I saw at the door.
'You are an MP,' I said.
'Yes, for Lusaka North-East constituency.'
'I hear you are also known as the Government.'
'I am not the Government,' he explained, 'I am merely my constituency's watchdog to ensure that the Government runs the country to the satisfaction of my people.'
'Who then is the Government?'
'I have never met the fellow. Most of us Members of Parliament would like him to come and answer a few questions. . .'

Scanned from The Best Of Kapelwa Musonda



Ian Singer
About Codrington - thanks for the directions. I know exactly where the Mazabuka Club is (and yes, it's still there and still operating much as it did way back then). I'll go in there next time I go through Maz. I imagine it is still a school.

Gareth Williams

Some time ago, probably a year or more, someone asked about Gareth Williams and I said I would get his email address. Well surprise, surprise, I have finally done it. But I can't find who it was that asked me for it. Please contact me.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 11:28:42 (UTC)


Northerners

With regard to the house we have bought in SA and retirement permits.

At the moment we have no intention of retiring to SA. Initially we will be spending a couple of months a year over there, which we intend increasing to 6 months in a few years time. I don’t know at the moment if we will ever get to spend more than 6 months of the year over there; we shall see. As far as the permit goes, Sue is South African born and we have been told that renewing her SA passport will not be a problem. Apart from this we would meet the permit requirement anyway.

When we decided to buy in SA we thought long and hard as to where this should be. We discounted the cape because we felt it did not provide what we would be looking for. Both Sue and I love spending time in the game reserves and over the past 10 or so years we have been to Kenya, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and South Africa; each a number of times. We therefore decided that we would prefer to be nearer to the northern border from where it should be a lot easier to get to Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Zambia and even fly back to Kenya. In addition Sue’s family and all our friends live in the Johannesburg area. Having considered all this we ended up buying at Hartbeespoort dam. For those who don’t know, it is 40/45 minutes northwest(ish) of Johannesburg, towards Sun City.

Why did we decide to do this? I suppose even after 25 years in the UK we can’t help being Africans at heart and can’t break the pull we feel. We have made the decision knowing that the future of South Africa is unpredictable, that crime is something you have to learn to live with and that we will have to take all necessary precautions so as to reduce the chance of becoming a victim. This is not greatly different from the sort of things you have to do in most countries of the world, look at Heathrow today.

Having said this we are aware of a couple of reasons to be concerned. Two of my brother-in-laws have had incidents at home with armed robberies. In one of incidents my brother-in-law was shot through the hand when he pushed a gun away from his head. Both incidents occurred as they arrived home and were in the process of letting themselves through their gate. Having bought a house in a complex this should reduce the possibility of this sort of thing happening.

After taking everything into consideration we felt that it was a case of continuing to ‘exist’ in the UK or go and ‘live’ in Africa.

We do feel that we are doing this with our eyes wide open and do understand that there are risks, both in terms of safety and the investment in South Africa, but feel that the risks involved are worth taking.

Hartley


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 10:18:01 (UTC)


Hi all
I know this is not a really germane question,( but there must be Bamboo growing in Zambia??????? ..ah..I have mentioned the magic word ....) I am seeking someone with the botanical knowledge of how to propagate Bamboo...is there anybody out there who can help !
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 09:47:00 (UTC)


Afterthought:

Douggie W. Please refer to the message below. Who is this bloke Ogni Speranza and why are they whipping him?

Everyone else - Yes of course the Italian quote is "Abandon hope all ye who enter here." If it was any deeper than that I wouldn't know it.

Tina the hyena

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 07:28:05 (UTC)


Charlie Carthorse and Catbird Doug - Oy Vey!

Again you ensure that it is never dull around here.

I don't believe for a moment that Arthur suffers from "unrequited love" but if anyone does the obvious advice is work hard on your tennis and your game will improve.

Dante and fish shops damsels???? Do we say thank you for your Divine Comedy? I will leave you with the obvious Dante quote that everyone knows in English cos it fits you two beautifully ;-) (lucky since I can't quote any other bits of Dante).

Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate!!!!!

All that Italian makes me 1. hungry, 2. wonder what happened to all those Italian contractors who came out to build dams in Zambia in the days when Alitalia flew them in. Did anyone know if any of them settled in the country or any sagas of that time?



Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 06:59:42 (UTC)


The Bekkers of Mufulira

Where is Abie Bekker? - South African Bantam weight Boxing Champion & Empire Games Silver Medallist.
Where is Hennie Bekker? - Pianist par excellence!
We were neighbours in Mufulira in the 1940s.


Bill HuntClick here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 19:16:06 (UTC)


Doug - Excellent retort! I hesitantly await a mordant rejoinder from that Artful caster of flies.
Dave (van Amsterdam) - Glad to hear you’re up and about -- and back in the Flat Lands.
Regards
CJ


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 18:10:03 (UTC)


"To quote Alighieri Dante (1265-1321) in his works ‘Divine Comedy, Paradiso’:
"L’’amor che muove il sole e l’altre stele."
As I regard myself as an uncomplicated "boy from the Northern Rhodesian bush", I conferred with a scholarly associate from Que-Que who provided me with the following translation: "the love that moves the Sun and the other stars!"
CJ"

Charlie - as with the Kitwe HS crest the translation is open to interpretation . My version of Ali Danti's quote (cell 126 513 21 and he runs a decent fish shop) ,would be that his chick can sell the sole but she steals the rest.....

Doug

Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:42:26 (UTC)


Peter D,
Methinks Arthur still smarts from unrequited love. Methinks the object of his misery may have been one of the many fair damsels for which the Centre of the Universe received world acclaim.
To quote Alighieri Dante (1265-1321) in his works ‘Divine Comedy, Paradiso’:
"L’’amor che muove il sole e l’altre stele."
As I regard myself as an uncomplicated "boy from the Northern Rhodesian bush", I conferred with a scholarly associate from Que-Que who provided me with the following translation: "the love that moves the Sun and the other stars!"
Arthur...there is hope.
Jerome Klapka, in ‘Idle thoughts of an idle fellow’ noted:
"Love is like the measles; we all have to go through with it."
Regards
CJ


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 20:12:28 (UTC)


JILLY AND OTTO.......CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR 25 YEARS TOGETHER, MAY YOU HAVE MANY MANY MORE


Marilyn Thank you so much, I will be in touch with you via email re visiting you and the flamboyant tree !!!.....GNR has done it again....thank you
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 14:34:34 (UTC)


I vaguely remember Vivienne Whitehead, she had a brother Les who was very friendly with my brother Mike Horn. Les was tragically killed in a car accident around 1962/63 just after the Kafue Bridge on the Bancroft/Chingola road. He was only 19 at the time. Tony Delport was also in the car but he survived although he spent a long time in Bancroft Hospital.

Betty Mahady (née Horn)Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 12:19:11 (UTC)


Hartley

This is just the sort of thing I'm looking for.

I will contact you privately by e-mail later this evening when I get home.

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 10:49:17 (UTC)


My father gave me the Souvenir Programme that was printed in 1963 on the 50th anniversary of Lusaka. This means that Lusaka is 90 this year. The notice, issued by the British South Africa Company, proclaiming Lusaka as a Village Management Board is dated 31st July 1913.

The booklet starts with a message from the Governor, Evelyn D. Hone. This is followed by a message from the Mayor, R. Sampson.

There are a number of photos covering the 50 years of Lusaka but the main part of the booklet is a programme of events covering April to November 1963.

I haven’t scanned any of it yet as I don’t know if it has previously been mentioned and posted. It contains 47 pages which includes the above mentioned messages and photos as well as articles and adverts so scanning the whole lot will be a bit OTT unless you want me to. Please let me know.


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 10:44:33 (UTC)


Some good news!

Today Otto and I celebrate our 25th Wedding Anniversary! He is a Southern Rhodesian, sharing the Zambezi has made for an adventurous and happy union thus far!

Jilly

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 09:09:54 (UTC)


Northerners

Sad news I'm afraid - the passing on of Theo Bull, after a long fight against cancer.

Theo was the grandson of one of the Beits, either Alfred or Otto, but I can't remember which.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 06:16:11 (UTC)


Alix,

In my tiny townhouse garden I have a flowering flamboyant tree. You're welcome to come and take any cuttings you like. Pleased to help. You'll have to fight your way through the beautfully flowering weeds, lavender, etc. but help yourself. 107A Abbett Street, Scarborough. 0407 611 600.

So pleased to see you're up and about and thanks for the emails. I can see them sitting enticingly in my 'In' tray but haven't had a moment to open them up yet.

Regards
Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter)Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 05:02:47 (UTC)


Peter

Congratulations ! - good recipe, but some idiot Canook has gone and typed a mis-print in your recipe on the site and put ounces instead of 2 smoked salmon.

As for BH - no chance - they would have used the cardboard cut-out stunt on you and nominated the Mayor.

Dawie? Yes he's alive for sure - I have had e-mail from him today - and lots of it. Gone quiet now though - I think he's gone to bed at last.

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 23:34:36 (UTC)


Maybe I'll be famous this time, hee, hee...

Just got a letter saying I will be published in the 2003 Cooks of Canada Cookbook.

No money, just a cookbook and a bunch of kitchen gadgets.

http://www.eggs.ca/operation_omelette/recipes/recipe_list.asp?month=4

(You'll have to cut and paste as Dawie is not around to tell me how to put a live link up - again).

Look under "simple Salmon Delight"

Last year I was one of three people to be nominated for the Canada Lieutenant Governors Award for outstanding achievement in Public Service Administration. I was beaten by a person who had died the previous year and was nominated after his death. Now... this would have never happened in the centre of the universe - Broken Hill!!!


Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:41:47 (UTC)


Ian Singer

Congratulations on the new format of the NRZAM site. I have not visited for some time and was pleasantly surprised today. The green wallpaper is a big improvement on the black which did not show things so clearly.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 18:10:44 (UTC)


Linda

I will speak to Lindsay McCallum and find out about Robin Williams, his ex-wife Vivienne and the Williams twins for you, as "Baldy" and Ann Williams were Lindsay's aunt and uncle and adopted the three boys and a daughter Sandy who were thus her adoptive cousins. She spoke about them a few years back, but I will have to refresh my memory.

Chris

I have a couple of cute photos of some of the "Garneton Gang" which I will scan and send to Arthur within the next day or two - I am sure you will enjoy.

Vivienne

Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 13:06:25 (UTC)


Hi all,

Sad news I'm afraid!

Larry La Prise, the man who wrote "The Hokey Pokey"
died peacefully at age 93.



The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin.
They put his left leg in... and then the trouble started.





John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 12:06:23 (UTC)



Another little gem.

The best way to get a man to do
something is to suggest that he's
too old to do it anymore.
--------------

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 08:37:02 (UTC)



Thought for today,

Life's Clock

The clock of life is wound but once,
And no man has the power
To tell just where the hands will stop
At late or early hour.

To lose one's wealth is sad indeed:
To lose one's health is more:
To lose one's soul is such a loss
As no man can restore.

The present only is our own,
Live, Love, toil with a will
Place no faith in 'tomorrow'
For the clock may then be still.

Author Unknown.


JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 08:12:46 (UTC)


Name Madeleine Luckin - maiden name Bekker
Now living in Johannesburg, South Africa
Lived in Mufulira 1945 to 1960 - would love to hear from old friends....I am also trying to find Shirley Bradshaw - her maiden name.

Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, February 10, 2003 at 05:59:17 (UTC)



My last horse racing tip...

Chris is reading the paper in his Kitwe home when his
wife raps him upside the head with a frying pan. "Whoa,
what the heck is that all about?" Chris roars.

"I was going through your golf bag looking for change for
cigarettes," she snaps, "and I found this piece of paper
with the name Mary Lou on it!"

"Jeez," Chris replies, "that's the name of a horse in next
weeks second race at Turfontein. Peter, my golfing buddy from Broken Hill - the centre of the universe - gave me an inside tip!"

"Oh honey," she apologized. "I'm so sorry. I'll rub your
feet and make you an extra special dinner."

Next week Chris is reading the paper again when his wife smacks him upside the head again.

"Now what?" he demands.

"Your horse Mary Lou just called."

(Please note - Chris and Peter are purely fictitional characters...)



Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 19:52:40 (UTC)


Artie
Are you sure you don't want to come and fish for a couple of Texas bass. If you type in this link, it will give you an idea of what you can expect to catch on the end of your hook. The bait normally weighs 5lb in Texas, and the fish themselves have been known to pull a full grown man overboard. Because of the frequency of this phenomenon, most Texan fishermen wear a ski rope around their waists so that they can lasso a passing bass and ski back to shore.

http://www.getawayadventureslodge.com/Photos2002.htm
Note this is not a live link.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 05:01:35 (UTC)


RE Charles Cartmill,
Regarding residence permit, Charles I contacted the South African Embassy here in Riyadh Saudi Arabia about a residence permit to retire there, and you are a 100% right on there requirments starting in March, they also told me under no circumstances to buy any property until your visa has been approved.

Jimmy



Jimmy ChurchilClick here to contact me
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 02:47:42 (UTC)


On horse and stock tips

Well, as happens in a democracy, the people have spoken and I have been found to be out of step with the majority. I have no problem with that. I will reiterate, however, that I was posting my thoughts as just another member, not someone involved in the management of the site or the board. The fact that Heather and Arthur agree with me should come as no surprise -- we have enough in common that we have all decided to spend enough time with one another (albeit via e-mail) to work on this site together.

One thought I will add is that I do realise and fully agree that it would be very difficult to keep this message board operating if we were only allowed to mention Northern Rhodesia or Zambia in every message. That was never the intention, even when we had the Code of Conduct. However, in the survey we did in September (the results of which I hope to finish putting together to post this weekend), there were a lot of responses that seemed to indicate that many members feel that the board is used too much for "personal chit chat", as I think one respondent put it. So Arthur, Heather and I are certainly not a minority of three -- we do have company that have even more extreme views than we do.

However, even with all of that in mind, my opinion of Chris' horse and stock tips remains exactly the same, especially with respect to his stock tips. In fact, you'll notice that it was his stock tip that set me off (especially after Robert Huntley made his observation) -- I have kept my mouth shut, even when we had the Code, about his horse tips up until now.

Linda,

There are 888 (lucky number for the Chinese) active members as of today, and we get at least one new one almost every day. New members are listed at www.greatnorthroad.org/names/cover.php#details.

Chisanga,

Living in Canada you will have no doubt heard the same joke told with our own esteemed prime minister as the butt of the joke. However, I'm sure it's told everywhere -- any politician's name fits well into the joke.

Arthur,

Good points (from your earlier post before the monstrosity [but very interesting, of course] below), and much along the lines of what I said above. You are also right (from your more recent post) that the new message board we are working on will address some of these issues.

I'm also glad that we've finally cleared up that bit about the Centre of the Universe. :) Although Charles' response had me laughing even harder.

The only decent (relatively speaking) fish I have ever caught was a bream at Ruwa Park somewhere south of Salisbury. It was caught using the lower-class method.

Hartley,

You'll be happy to know that the new message board to which Arthur refers will most likely use phpBB, the format and operation of which is essentially the same as is used on the sites you sent me as examples of what you think would be good. Right now we are trying to integrate it with the database that we already use for the current Names Directory.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 23:49:15 (UTC)


Arthur

Good to see U R still about. How proper that Scarscalp and Debs should be moving to Cumbria - that way he can keep an eye out on your "trout tickleing" habits huh. Hee hee. Maybe later this year I might just make a weekends trip up there and joing you all!!!

Other GNR friends!

Sorry that Brasso has been so quiet. Things have been a bit stressful of late. I have however avidly been reading everyone's postings as a lurker.

Johnny Green

Hope you are well and you are in fine form my friend. It only seems like yesterday since we were all together at Banbury.

Dave, Craig, Heather & Artie.

Keep up the good work. All your efforts are appreciated here.

Gary BrassingtonClick here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 23:39:22 (UTC)


CJ

Please beam across the scan, I'm interested. Last time I was in Margate a Rand was worth 10 bob. I expect that has changed a little.

BH as you probably know celebrates it's Centenary year in 2004 - How about an article from you to go with the rest of the stuff we're planning to do on the town? Have you any more photos hidden away?

Yeas - that sure made me feel a little better!

Chris & Ali

Please stop moaning about how hot it is, our thermometer got up to 8c today for the first time since August 2002. Still waiting for the sun to make an appearance though - but we may have to wait until one day in August once again.

Ali glad to see you're getting better. I can't answer your question about Kitwe just now - I am from Nkana East of course, so I will have to get the answer from the people that lived on the wrong side of the town.

Doug

I've had no proper fishing since November last, the spring salmon should be on the run any day soon - only trouble is regulations now say if you catch one it has to go back if caught before mid June. This is because of a decline in numbers of springers due to overfishing at sea. I read somewhere that Spanish trawlers can use nets up to 30 miles long. Then we have the anti's becoming more and more prominent and active here, is it any wonder I need to move to a civilised country!

I got a superb springer of around 20lbs last year on the River Eden in Cumbria, pine forest right up to the river edge, nobody for miles and on my own, the only sound was the river and perigrine falcons calling high above plus an odd deer for company at the river bank.

When the weather allows I have been doing a spell of shore fishing on the coast for codling up to about 5lb but even these are becoming scarce and will go on the protected species list before long.

I heard Graham Nelson aka Scarscalp is permanently moving up to Cumbria shortly, hopefully we can get together wet a line and take in a few beers.

Craig sits right on top of some of the best fishing in the world. I don't think he's ever caught a proper fish though. Go figure.

To put the record straight I have had no complaints directly about anyone recently, but thanks for the support.

Linda

My next trip fishing away from home I hope is for some Zambian Tigerfish and maybe a Vundu. Just hope I can get hold of some blue soap when I get there. Texan Bass will have to wait until my lottery ticket comes up.

We have been very active over recent months, weeks and days putting together the new GNR and I spend a lot of my time that I allocate the GNR there. Craig and Laurie (the star web designer Craig has managed to get on help out) have come up with what I think is a brilliant message board, still on test, but if it fits the bill people can have topics on different subjects so that may go a long way to assure anyone who is worried about posting what where and no comebacks. It also has many other facilities which I think will go down well with the membership, and also the management, but I have said enough already, it may not be the final choice - you'll all just have to wait and see but personally I think it will go most of the way to addressing the many points people made on the site in the survey we did last year. (Which you will all see soon)

In the meantime I'm also working on getting all the photos from the archived message boards into some sort of order so they can go into the new organised photo albums on the site where they will be indexed and easy to find and see, I also have quite a bit of stuff archived which has not gone on the GNR yet, so organising that is on my list to do as well.

I would add that anyone who has school photos, memorabilia and other stuff they would think as suitable for display on the website to start getting them over to me now. As I said before the salmon should be on their way any day now.

Linda Burns

Guess what ! - The new message board we're experimenting with also has an "undo" key and also allows you to see your posting before you press the submit button so you can correct any mistakes. We specially included that in because we have so many members who went to Frederick Knapp.

I guess from your posting you have typed your message directly onto the open pane on the posting routine, you may find it easier, if you type slow like me, to write your message out on your computer before going on-line and logging onto the GNR. I use Windows based system, right click and create yourself a new Text document and type out your message, then when you go on line just copy and paste into the GNR pane when submitting your message.




Last September Heather posted up some brilliant pics from up in Mpulungu. Unfortunately at the time she didn't have the sprit level I gave her and all the boats on the lake had slid down the slope of the lake which was emptying out on the left of the photo. I clocked the photo the other day when I was downloading a batch of images from the server and also noticed another Heather had taken with it to the right. They were a candidate for another photo stitching exercise so again ...... Mpulungu.

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Well that's enough levelling from me for at least a month.

Here's something below much more interesting from the members.


Arthur




Heather:

I always understood that "Chililabombwe" meant "Place of the Croaking Frog"

In the 1960's, and possibly before that, there was a swinging nightclub in Bancroft(the old name for Chililabombwe township), called "The Croaking Frog".

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Unfortunately, I don't have a photo, old or new, for the nightspot; perhaps some other Rhodies can help out with pics or sordid stories thereof.

Bob Allan - Melbourne





Hi Arthur,

I'm looking for some information. Perhaps Heather could help. On entering the Luangwa Valley from the West, just before dropping into the valley from the Muchinga Escarpment, there is this plaque to Mary Gough.

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I believe she used to cycle around the valley and in 1971 she went missing. Her campsite was found in disarray but Mary was never found. I've attached a photo of the plaque.

Kind Regards,

Mike Wilson




Northerners !

You may have seen Alma and Vic's story a few months ago "The Letter"

Members Alma and Vic are old timers and have given us this wonderful story to enjoy about Vic's first journey overland to Northern Rhodesia.

Once the new site is up and running this article will go into it's proper slot along with quite a few others so they don't become buried away here.

Alma and Vic

On behalf of the Members of the Great North Road - Thank you.

Arthur






The following was written for Anthony Sauri who wished to be reminded of Vic’s’ departure from the UK and arrival (eventually) in Central Africa.

As regards Vic leaving the UK. (Early 1947)

He went to buy a new Triumph 500 when they were advertised again post-war. (Late 1946) Seeking some adventure etc. I think (he was consistently refused permission to enlist in the Navy because of his ‘reserved occupation’). He decided to see something of the UK and spice up his life?

The waiting list was long and frustrated he returned home, and on the tram he happened to read andad. For an" overland adventure trip to Johannesburg" and investigated. He signed to join in with the group already preparing by converting the Morris commercial trucks with bunks etc. And proceeded to help set up the trucks in his spare time and as the story tells, joined the expedition with quite a number of other folk. (He was the only single person). They had lots of ‘adventures’ as one would imagine with such a varied group of people -- who fell out, argued, and threw things as well as tantrums now and again. All split from the main group at different times, eventually leaving just the Weldon family and Vic to go it alone. Vic could not leave the family -- his conscience wouldn’t let him because Weldon himself kept getting malaria (also had a hernia operation at one time) and ending up in hospital somewhere. Mrs. Weldon and children could not be left alone!

They were stranded in the Sahara for 3 months at one point after a crown wheel and pinion broke and had to await parts from the UK. Vic used the time as ‘messenger’ cadging lifts over the desert with various Arab drivers, eating and sleeping ‘Arab style’ and eventually getting the much needed crown wheel etc from Algiers and returned to the oasis and a repair job (ask him about the sandstorms and trying to fix an engine, sometime). Eventually, many stops (at mission stations if they could) ferry rides African style, rutted roads, and rainy season in the Nigeria, Congo etc. They arrived at Brazzaville (I think this was where they traded their converted truck for a station wagon) and completed the next part of the trip into Northern Rhodesia (British territory). By now they were almost broke because of the length of time involved. Vic had five pounds (sterling) left in total. When the NR Immigration asked about his cash reserves they were startled when he said ten pounds --- ‘we’ll give you 2 weeks to get a job or we will deport you back to the UK’ He cadged a lift from Ndola to Nkana because somebody told him he would get a job on the Copper mines easily. I’m not sure how he got a job really because he must have looked more like a ragged African than a European. After hearing his story the Mine Manager (Clark I think at that time- 1947), first astonished and then amused. He laughed and said "we are bringing men out from the UK by air, you could have come in comfort" -- and gave him a job...that is a very basic outline of how Vic went to Nkana.

Needless to say he had soon spent his Five English pounds (he bought a block of chocolate to eat at one stage and stashed it in his shirt front -- needless to say with disastrous results!) (He did not have the amount he quoted to the Immigration) the guys in Single Quarters took him to the Kitwe stores, introduced him as a workmate employed by the mining company and he opened an account for clothes, bedding etc and so he was able to survive on credit (including the Mess for eating) until his first pay cheque!

It would take a long long time to fit in all the details and it is HIS story not mine. Suffice to say he did indeed have lots of adventures of one kind and another but always said he wouldn’t have missed it because it really was an adventure and experience that money cannot buy. So at that stage he never did get to Jo’burg but of course WE all got there as a family in 1954 on our way back from visiting the UK and again in 1956 on holiday.

How Vic and I met in Ireland in 1950 is another story entirely.

Now, I have decided to keep this item (also print it off) because I realise it is a story that our children do not know -- never having asked -- but who knows at some stage when they are much older, they may wonder? How/when/why their father went to Africa.

Another piece of info. Regarding the photos of our rather hasty departure from Nkana on the night of the Railway workers strike in 1954 -- thereby jeopardising our long planned holiday to the UK

The other two couples who left with us, and extremely grateful for the work put in by Vic to secure a truck and driver were:
Mr and Mrs Les Pegge, and Mr and Mrs? Dunne (both mine employees of course)

The pewter beer tankard was given to Vic aboard ship when they made a nice little speech thanking Vic most sincerely for his presence of mind and quick thinking thereby -- saving their holiday as well as ours. I have written a story about this episode too - with a rueful twist in the tail!

Alma Dawson




John (Vic) Dawson's overland trip to Africa Jan/Sept 1947



A TV programmed was showing ‘Dunnies down Under, ’ and it is Sunday, February 02, 2003

This has sparked off our interest in the old time dunnies (lavatories/ latrines to you)

Vic reminisced about watching a ‘dunny’ being dug in Hassifal (in the Sahara Desert). This was an Oasis where their overland truck had been towed to after it broke a crown-wheel and pinion near Ghardia - about 65 miles from Hassifal..

The Oasis was ‘manned’ by a lone Gendarme -- name of Georges -- who had a resident lady friend. However, Vic used to while away time chatting with him, until the Commandant arrived on a visit. When he realized the Gendarme was rather pally with me, he said ‘Non’ -- no fraternization -- get on with the job. The Gendarme was obviously glad of young company and a ‘foreigner’ who added another dimension to his world!

The families lived in their trucks as usual but adjacent to this oasis, and obviously needed the lavatory and water that it provided. I always slept in the Cab of the truck -- a Morris Commercial with motor inside the cab. In this way I had more privacy and separate from the Weldon and Daniels families. (I was of course the only single man on the journey).

The next job needed was a new ‘dunnie’ (latrine, or lavatory). First a deep hole at least 6 ft was dug, then a plaited rush/bamboo style mat --with centre hole of course, was laid over the ground -- next a low (3ft)? wall was built for ‘privacy’ (No roof of course). There was always something happening -- travellers passed by and stopped to socialise, obtain water etc. all the time and ‘news’ of desert travellers and happenings, passed along like wildfire in this fashion. Weldon had strayed into very soft sand and hence broke the Crown wheel and Pinion on our truck, then talked a passing tanker driver into using the winch on Weldon truck to pull the it out and help park it on safe ground.

Next -- what to do about it? Go back to Algiers says Weldon (hitch a ride on passing vehicle of course) so he and I went -- leaving Mrs Weldon and children at the Oasis. The Daniels family of four was also there. Once back in Algiers and shopping around for an engineer to make a Crown wheel and Pinion, Weldon remembered a friend in UK who had a similar truck -- wired him for a replacement to be sent by LEP transport. Days passed and it was decided to return to the Oasis and await a message per truck driver perhaps? I got fed up and used to hitch rides back and forth across the desert, eating with the locals, whatever was going. About this time there was some kind of ‘family altercation’ and the one Weldon daughter ‘ran away’ into the desert (say 9 years old). . Great consternation, as she soon disappeared and darkness not far away. Everybody, including the Gendarme and one his local workers had to rush to help find her. The incident ended just in time before darkness fell, but one side affect was that Mrs Weldon had a stroke a few days later, - from the shock I guess. A Dr came from somewhere within the next day or so and ‘; treated’ her on the spot and she recovered -- fortunately!
The Daniels family had become tired of the delay and decided to move on regardless and plan their next move. They went as far as El Golea in the first instance. After they had gone Weldon realised Daniels had all travellers’ cheques with him and sent me off to get them back (using the ‘can I have a ride’? system of the desert fraternity.). Daniels returned with me, as HE wanted his share out of the travelling fund. Some argument ensued and eventually Weldon got the cheques and Daniels departed. Months later this ‘transaction’ was to have repercussions when it was found that Daniels had ‘stopped’ the cheques -- as stolen’ and naturally this was a big problem for the remaining party.

Whilst I was at El Golea talking Daniels and having a quick look around I couldn’t help but notice the overpowering smell of citrus fruit and the vast number of citrus trees. These were ‘irrigated’ by canal-like channels with constantly running water.

Eventually I took delivery of the new crown wheel and Pinion in Algiers and parked the booty on the tray of the truck I thought I was to travel with. It transpired that the driver left without me and I had to grab a lift with a ‘following truck driver’ who tried to catch up with the walkabout crown wheel etc. As this truck was travelling overnight there wasn’t much to see and I marvelled at the ability of the Arab driver - but suddenly we hit a bump and all the lights failed! And we had to sit it out until daylight and the driver could hail a passing truck driver. I did get the crown wheel etc. Eventually after this extra delay, and Weldon and I fitted it, and at last we were on our way again.

The town of El Golea was next and even though I had actually been there before when looking for Daniels, I was again struck by the overpowering scent of Citrus from hundreds of citrus trees thriving at this oasis.

As we approached In-Salah it seemed that this famed ‘walled town’ was something of a misnomer as all that could be seen was a very LOW wall and no buildings. The track meandered down a kind of ravine and around this wall. To our surprise when we had partly circled the place, a large gate came into view in a HIGH wall, of perhaps 15’ or so. It seemed that the sand was blown up on the trackside of the town and only the top portion of the wall was visible!

All the petrol pumps were closed down as this was the ‘off season’ in the Sahara (this means that as it is so very hot, desert travel was said to be dangerous and so we had to find a trader and do a deal for some of his petrol in 44gal. drums as we intended to press on regardless. I think we traded our small compressor for fuel.

In the Sahara it was common to see tall wooden poles at about 5km intervals as ‘route markers’, but often the locals had purloined them for firewood or whatever. The next system tried by the authorities was to use the front mudguards from abandoned wartime trucks (of which there were plenty) to do the same job. Unfortunately, the shifting sand frequently covered these mounds and then it was ‘guesswork’ as usual!

TAMANRASSET - another sizeable town. From some miles back we came across an area that was extremely rocky -- all shapes, sizes and colours, and it was rather like a slalom course driving around and through them. Tamanrasset itself was situated on a rocky plateau (the town being run by the French military). We visited some Arabs sitting in an Arabic style tent dwelling to discuss petrol supplies and currency. We had found that we needed to change from Algerian francs to French Equatorial currency. As visitors we were given ‘director’ style chairs to sit on whilst our hosts sat cross-legged on Arab style on cushions.

The military allowed us all to swim in their ‘rock swimming pool’; which was in effect a hole in the rocky ground -- this was a great treat for us all.

At this stop (Tamanrasset) we had to stock up on a specified amount of drinking water each person and to ‘sign out’ as we departed for AGADEZ. Four days would be allowed for us to arrive and announce our arrival to the military -- otherwise they would send out a search party for us if this time allowance was exceeded). Immigration was very strict about these rules.

AGADEZ: As we had now left Algerian territory we had our Passports stamped for entry into French Equatorial Africa. We stayed for about seven days in Agadez, making use of the showers at a hotel -- water being supplied by 44-gallon drums on scaffolding outside the rooms. The workers from smaller drums in turn refilled these drums and it was a highlight of our stay to have these showers. During the evening meal one night at the Hotel we were given a quantity of plain boiled rice in the shape of a ‘cake’. This so annoyed Weldon (who didn’t like rice) that he got up and walked out, the family and myself trailing behind. He then rented a large desert style house (baked mud), where other desert travellers also rented space.

By now we had left the desert behind and came upon an area of tall spindly trees. On the move again into Nigeria and we headed for Kano and again we had to fill in Immigration forms. Kano is the railhead for transporting ground-nuts (peanuts if you like) and is a very large bustling town, with its own airport. There were vast ‘pyramids’ of groundnuts sitting out in the open waiting to be moved by rail to the port of Lagos.

Kano is another walled city but the population had long outgrown the walls and the ‘outside’ city was every bit as large as the ‘inside’ one.

Kano had thirteen (13) gates in its walls -- which were closed at curfew time each evening and all vehicles then had to stay outside until the gates opened again in the morning. Foot traffic only could enter through a small gate in each of the large gates.

One area in Kano was dotted with round pits (say 3-4’ in diameter) filled with dark blue dye. This was of course used by Tuaregs to dye their habitual blue garments. The dye workers were easily identified by their blue hands and arms.

In Kano there was a resident Emir -- who it seemed, was paid Five thousand pounds per annum by the British government to ‘rule’ and keep law and order, in their name.

There were hand-operated (lever) petrol pumps in Kano for travellers such as ourselves but the common mode of transport locally was by large rubber-tyred trailers which were pushed by a gang of 3-4 Africans. Seemingly we were becoming an embarrassment to the authorities and we were told it was time we moved on. As we drove on again the ground cover became more of’jungle’ type vegetation, very humid and verdant. Lots of Banana plants began to appear and then Jos was the next place we entered. This was a tin-mining area, a smallish town.

A local trader made us an offer for our truck (Morris Commercial three-tonner) plus the use of his garage to do the maintenance that Weldon deemed would be necessary for us to proceed with the rest of our journey. Weldon considered this offer, and decided that the Ford Station Wagon was adequate for the meantime, especially as it would be a quicker ride and the majority of the journey was behind us. So the deal was done (and the relevant paper work doctored to suit the exchange). From now on we would rely on Mission stations or local ‘hotels’ for accommodation.

The spindly tree type of terrain of the last day or two gave way to semi-tropical undergrowth again and a few banana plants and we soon arrived in Maiduguri where we met a European man who was a Civil Servant working with the Border Control. During a conversation with him he invited us all for dinner at his house and afterwards he stamped our Passports ‘ Seen in transit’.

We were now getting near Fort Lamy but first we had to cross a river, which flowed, into Lake Chad. As it was ‘Bastille Day’ the vehicular ferry was not working, but I crossed over on a passenger ferry -- more immigration and stamping of Passports. I whiled away a pleasant interlude, watching natives on a wharf cutting up fresh fish for sale before taking the ferry back again.

We were now in the French Cameroons and every river had dugout type boats paddled by Africans (there were no bridges to be found). This meant of course that the ‘ferries’ were dugouts lashed together with boards between and very flimsy looking -- but we made it. At one time we were speeding along a "road’ and down a sudden dip and whoops --the brakes were slammed on and we were into the River. The radiator and distributor were under water!

The ferry was on the other side of course, as always seemed to be the case. The Africans came across but we needed help to push the vehicle back up onto dry land and the next day we had to make a fire and dry out the distributor before we could proceed. Time didn’t matter much and at one river crossing it took two days to get across the river -- time being spent filling up the petrol tank (laboriously drum by drum), crossing over and back again as passengers to fill in more forms, and finally taking the vehicle across.

After Fort Lamy we covered about one-hundred and fifty miles (150) and then came upon a very large Catholic Church in a clearing -- named ‘Fort Auchambault’. It seemed that probably the local natives were put to work and grew vegetables, fruit etc, and the money (or part of it) went to the Church, which by the looks of things was a very rich one.

We met up with many big game hunters in this area, and enjoyed quite a few conversations as we exchanged information as to the condition of roads, facilities etc. and other snippets of news. We were making our way to cross into the Belgian Congo and having trouble with the tyres on the ‘shooting brake’ and were told that there was a place that dealt in tyres at ‘Bangui’ and also that there was a ferry to cross into the Congo. We duly arrived in Bangui and found the tyre depot and did a deal for new tyres. But were then informed that the road on the other side of river was under water and therefore advised to turn around and to back to Fort Sibut (about 600 kms) and cross into the Congo at Bangassou which meant another two-three days. Again time didn’t matter much and we had good tyres now.

There were now bananas everywhere, both sides of the road, and eventually we camped on the riverbank at Bangassou. Petrol was our first consideration here and Weldon and I went across by ferry to have Passports stamped, details registered, before re-crossing the river to collect vehicle and family and cross yet again by vehicular ferry (another full day taken up here because it depended on the current, sometimes having to be poled ‘upstream’ and then the ferry allowed to ‘drift’ back again, sometimes twice before we gained the far bank). This was the nature of the terrain and each river crossing was different according to how wide, or deep the river was and strength of current.

We came upon a small village by name of ‘Bondo’ sporting a very large sign ‘COCA-COLA’ fastened to a tree -- it seemed rather incongruous in the middle of jungle-like terrain. Here we bought some tinned food and pressed onwards to Stanleyville. The roads now were ‘one way’ only all along an escarpment. The system was say North (Monday) South (Tuesday) and so on. At night with headlights ON you could take a chance either way! (Scary)! Eventually we passed a very large sign ‘EQUATOR’ which indicated the elevation.

It was extremely cold that night and we lit a big fire at the Rest House.

Lake Kivu. Steamers were too expensive for us so we motored around a lava field to Costermansville which was a really ‘swept up’ place, nice houses made of brick with tiled roofs, (European homes that is) pretty gardens etc. The gardens apparently maintained by prisoners and we had met up with the system of prison labour on roads etc. on a number of occasions. About this time the car developed a list to one side and an investigation showed the main spring seemed to be broken and so we limped into the next clearing with a workshop/garage. The European who ran the business had very recently lost his wife to Backwater fever and consequently was bereft and very lonely. Whilst Weldon and I removed the spring to make repairs he talked to us, and we then found that it wasn’t the spring that was broken but the centre bolt that had sheared off. This man was most helpful and soon we were on our way again after a three-day stopover.

It was noticeable that there was plenty of fresh elephant dung around but we didn’t see any animals at this stage. Then we struck torrential rain every day for about a week and we took shelter in native style huts, grass walls, banana leaf roofs and deep mud everywhere.
The rain eventually stopped and we could press on -- we had no maps of any kind but always coped with asking and many hand-gestures etc. the same with trying to buy petrol. The trading stores carried seemingly everything. Including petrol, then one time we filled up the car, and a couple of spare containers and carried on going southwards -- then we met a number of big trucks going north laden with 44 gallon drums of petrol! We learned that petrol was much cheaper at the next town! Oh well, ‘win some, lose some’.

Similarly when changing English pounds for local currency -- the banks didn’t give as good a deal as the traders would. Often when dealing with a local trader we would be invited to lunch or offered accommodation overnight. At one stage we stayed at a Coffee plantation and my job was to fill the petrol tank and be ready for off early next morning. Whilst the folks were talking I got on with the job pouring petrol from a can to the tank. Just then Weldon came outside to look and said "you need some light’ and brought a lantern close up --immediately the fumes ignited. Fortunately I banged the petrol cap onto the tank of the vehicle and as the flames licked up my arms I hurled the can away -- it rolled down the driveway singeing many plants as it went. My arms were burning, but as the petrol burned first we were able to beat out the flames and layer on some cream and bandaged my right-hand. For two weeks I had to eat with a spoon!

Soon after this incident we arrived at a large Mission station with a number of missionaries and there was quite a lot of accommodation. We were shown where to sleep, cot style beds provided. I elected to sleep on the floor and went to get my blanket but this caused quite a stir and Non! Non! Much arm waving and incomprehensible rapid French. Another cot was brought plus a mosquito net and it was indicated that I sleep on THAT! So I acquiesced and peace reigned. Waking early the next morning and looking around I found that the ground was alive with creepy crawlies of every description -- and realised this was why I was not allowed to sleep on the floor! After a two-day respite here spent quite pleasantly it was time to move on again. It soon became obvious that we were approaching a town of some sort because the Africans we passed were all dressed (shirts, shorts and the women ‘wrap around’ fabric dresses and similar, instead of the nakedness that was usual in the bush. Sure enough, a couple of hours down the ‘road’ there would be a town of some sort and after passing through, the natives would again be in various stages of ‘undress’.

Soon we realised that we were approaching Katanga, a copper mining area with power stations and yes, within a few days we could see a large town, brick houses etc, and this was Jadotvillel. No problems here and we were soon on quite good roads and saw power pylons -- the first since leaving Algiers months previously. There was an abundance of power it seems and we learned that any surplus was sent forward to Elizabethville, which was the next large town. Problems arose here, as there were no guesthouses for us to use. We eventually found a school run by the ‘Springer Mission’ an American organisation. It transpired that the school was in recess and we were loaned a couple of schoolrooms to sleep in -- so again we had a roof over our heads. The very next day Weldon came down with another bout of Malaria and was in a really bad way and was soon admitted to the Catholic hospital. We had been experiencing rear spring problems with the car and also money problems as our ‘supply’ was fast running out! I went to see the British Consul who was a very nice person but I didn’t get very far really because I was in effect only the ‘message boy’ as Weldon actually ran the show. Once Harry Weldon recovered from the bout of Malaria we fixed the car with the help of the Ford agency workshop and the Consul met with Weldon. He actually gave Harry a One Hundred Pound ‘personal loan’, explaining that he could not sanction an official loan because Weldon owned a vehicle and was therefore ‘not destitute’, and moreover we were close to the Northern Rhodesian border which was British Territory!

Once again we were on our travels and left the Congo and into a ‘no mans land’; with big concrete blocks showing the Border between the two territories. Soon we arrived at the town of Ndola, quite a sizeable place and apparently the ‘railhead’ in Northern Rhodesia of the Cape to Cairo railway. As English was now the main language we got along much faster with officialdom. However when the Immigration Officer interviewed me and asked how much money I had? I replied ‘ten pounds Sterling’, he looked at me rather oddly and said ‘ In view of the parlous state of your finances (or words to that effect) I will allow you SEVEN DAYS to find work, otherwise you will be sent back to the U.K.! (Well that what was HE said, I privately thought otherwise)!

We were fortunate to find to be loaned rooms to sleep in by the ‘Sallies’ in Ndola and leaving the family here, Weldon and I went to a place named Luanshya where it was said ‘there should be plenty of work’. Harry immediately got a job with the Rhodesian Selection Trust (the Luanshya Mining company) and returned to Ndola to pick up his family. Now I was ‘on my own’ and hitched a ride in a passing ‘imp’ style car (i.e. an American two door job with a dickie --seat outside).

The guys asked me’ where to’ and I said Luanshya (the only name I knew then) - stopping at the turn-off they said, "we are going on to Nkana-Kitwe and you are just as likely to find work there" and so the die was cast, I went with them to Nkana. My good Samaritans stopped outside the Mine Mess (dining hall) and said ‘ go inside, you are sure to find some fellow Englishmen in there). On entering (conscious of my somewhat scruffy appearance) and scanning the room, I immediately spotted two men I had last seen in the Sahara months before...Greetings all round and a place set for me at their table. So I was given a ‘free’; meal with congenial company -- never had food tasted so good!

One of my ‘friends’ said ‘ where are you staying’? On learning that so far I had nowhere to stay, he promptly said, " I am going on nightshift, you can have my bed and we’ll see what tomorrow brings".

I slept like a baby and the following morning, after a shower I walked all around the Mine workings and called at the various site offices asking for work. No luck! Until one man said ‘Try the Central Time Office’ and provided directions. My efforts paid off as I was interviewed by the General Manager himself, Clark, who, on hearing both my application and my story, laughed and said ‘ Why didn’t you apply from London we have been flying men out from there’? - To my knowledge they were not advertising when I made the decision to go to Africa!

Thus armed with a brief for the Refinery Manager and now having the security of a position on the Mine, I was given accommodation (room B 24, Single Quarters, Nkana) and knew I would now have three meals a day.

One of men in Quarters (Theodore Gatonakis) (known as Takki) of Greek extraction took me under his wing and introduced me to Sid Diamond, the owner of Standard Trading Company in Kitwe and he in turn opened an account for me. Then I chose a mattress, blankets, towels etc.etc. some decent clothes -- all pending my first pay cheque!

So -- after 8 months of wandering through Africa I was in ‘civilisation’ and had gainful employment! It was still a long way from Johannesburg of course but I would just have to ‘stay put’ and earn a living. It was a long way from Ashton-under-Lyne but Nkana was to be my home for the next ten years!


RETROSPECTIVE NOTES:

News and gossip arrived along all the routes with all kinds of travellers. We saw a British group,(one female member was wearing a fur coat!!!) who, on reaching the Arak Gorge decided that as the heat was considerable, that ‘it is going to be much worse further on’ and turned back. (we saw them pass through our ‘camp’ at Hassifal) It worth noting that as the walls of the gorge were very high rock faces and they attracted and stored the heat making it very oppressive. Once out of the gorge it was more bearable. Had these people realised this they could have continued into the more ‘normal’ temperatures.

Another group in an American Car whom we met in Ghardia, left ahead of us and driving towards In Salah the ‘road’ climbs steeply up an escarpment and their vehicle couldn’t make it so they turned around and came back! (we never saw them again).

The Weldon children must have been very well behaved because I do not remember any ‘problems’ other than the one girl running into the desert and a search party had to go looking for her.

Mrs Peggy Weldon obviously coped admirably with cramped quarters, the children and cooking meals, washing etc. I do not remember her ever raising her voice or making a fuss about anything at all. ( whereas wives in the other truck, early in the journey, fell out, had altercations with husbands etc). then once the other truck left to do their own thing, peace reigned.

Harry Weldon had a number of stays in various hospitals- notably bouts of Malaria (quite severe at times) and a hernia. Weldon obviously did not take his anti-malarial tablets.

We had no major dramas (other than when the truck broke its crown-wheel and pinion and we were stalled in the Sahara at Hassifal for 3 months). This didn’t unduly bother me as I made many trips back and forth to Algiers with a variety of drivers/trucks and it was always varied and entertaining. I ate whatever they were eating as they shared their food with me.

Watching vehicle repairs (in addition to our own) in all kinds of odd places and conditions. Such as seeing a father and son laboriously grinding down a cylinder head in order to put their Dodge back on the road. Then later seeing the same vehicle ‘parked’ outside a property with a piston showing through the engine block!

Trying to work on the engine of our vehicle in a ranging sandstorm -- crouched under a tarpaulin of sorts!

At the outset there were FIVE families in TWO trucks. The Weldon family (two parents, four children) and myself (the only single person in the group) plus the Daniels. We occupied the one truck. Being single, I slept in a bunk in the cab of the vehicle.


The names of the other families were:
Crowther, Barber, Greenhalgh, occupied the other.

All families came from the Ashton under Lyne area, the exception being Greenhalgh who was from the Old Trafford area.

Perhaps this gives an idea of some of my experiences. I have not written about the journey across France or the fact that we were the first post-war passenger ferry to enter Le Havre.

Speaking for myself I never regretted undertaking this ‘adventure’. I used up all of the Three Hundred Pounds which I had originally intended for buying a Triumph Twin motorbike this was a new post-war model but there was a ‘waiting list’. In short I had eight months of sightseeing, living rather ‘rough’, I gained two stones in weight and my ‘wavy hair’ became curly hair! There were some dramas and lots and lots of experiences, which really money cannot buy!


Vic Dawson,
2001



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 23:13:42 (UTC)


Welcome to Capetown! What a good opening ceremony. Lets hope the Proteas do better at cricket than the Boks did at rugby.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 21:05:00 (UTC)


LINDA - yes, it was Vivienne Whitehead that Robin was married to, and divorced - apparently on the same day that my parents got thier divorice! I actually called Theresa and asked her about Vivienne (Theresa has an amazing memory too, just like my mother-in-law, for names, places, dates etc.) she told me that when she went with my mom to the court for the divorce, Robin's was the next case and it was he who divorced Vivienne. I 'sort of' remember her, she was older than me and a very pretty blond lady.
Wonder what became of her?

You do make me laugh - I still giggle at the account you gave of the Edinburgh tumble, over or under pantihose, etc.!! You may now cease therapy immediately - keep your therapist's number handy though, there may be some of us who may need it!!!!!!

Whilst typing this the Cricket World Cup opening ceremony has been on - we seem to have done SA proud and it all seems to be going well. Good luck to all the teams and may the best team win.


Goodnight....

(Jill Aplin - it's after 9pm and I'm about to hit the submit button - scarey stuff!!!)

Linda



Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 20:16:37 (UTC)


Artie
My bum is a little red from that spanking, but I rather liked it... he! he! I'm only standing in the corner for a little while, though. You are, of course, correct that people post about all sorts of things. My point was that it would be nice to be able to do that without having to worry about whether it fit the germane-ness (germanity?) or not. I don't think I explained myself very well. I shall have to look out for you and your cane, especially if I spell a wed wrong.. When are you coming to Texas for some bass fishing?

Linda Burns
Is that the same Robin Williams who was married at one time to the hairdresser called Viviene Whitehead? By the way, I am still in therapy trying to deal with the utter humiliation of tumbling down the staircase in the Edinburgh Hotel, while trying to be as cool as you on a Saturday morning.

Alix
Good to see you posting again. Looking forward to receiving my art work from you. You go girl!

Hi Chris Forde
I was cleaning some stuff out of old boxes the other day and found a silver cup with the engraving "Victrix Ludorum" Kitwe Primary School 1965. I hope I won it legitimately and did not beat someone up to get it away from them. Ha! Ha! I still have memories of you doing Scottish dancing in the assembly hall. Just kidding.

I may have told this story before, but one of my most vivid memories of Kitwe Primary School was when the Std. 5 kids had to take turns to go up onto the stage and read something out of the Bible during assembly. (Shows how long ago that was. It would be unconstitutional in the USA now) While I may be a gabber, the truth is that I have an absolute cronic fear of any sort of public speaking. Would rather kiss a croc. When it was my turn, I was sick to my stomach. By the time I walked up onto the stage, I think my glasses were steamed up, I was sweating in fear so much. I believe the passage was about the woman who is so poor but still gives a coin or two to the church that she finds from sweeping her house. I'm not 100% sure that was the passage, but the words began to swim in front of me as I opened the Bible to the passage. So, I simply made the story up, as best I could, from memory. Only I embellished a bit. (Surely not me, you are thinking...) I glanced up and saw Mr. Peek begin to frown with raised eyebrows, so I just said a very loud "Amen" and stood there shaking in my boots. Needless to say, I was not called upon to do the dreaded "reading" again.


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 18:02:12 (UTC)


Damn! Where's that undo Key???

Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 16:47:36 (UTC)


OOOPPPS1111 AGAIN1

DAVID THOMAS - THAT BEING MRS. THOMAS NOT MRS. THAMAS!

Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 16:46:36 (UTC)


DAVID THOMAS

Thanks for sharing your story about Mrs. Burns teaching you how to play the organ. She was quite a remarkable lady in the amount she did for the young people of Kitwe, especially at the Anglican Church. Dez's mother Daphne Burns seems to remember 'little David Thomas and your mother, if she was the Mrs. Thamas who worked at Standard Trading.

ARTHUR

Sorry Sir - Riverain Riverain Riverain ........... (just doing a quick check to see if I've made any mistakes - my handwriting has gone to pot since learning how to use the keyboard on a computer)!

HEATHER

Save the elastic bands and keep the applicator well oiled! I haven't forgotten - there is, however, a legitimate excuse! Senior Burns' did a major move from Springs to Pretoria at Christmas time. The packing, moving, unpacking has taken forever! There are loads of photos that have been put in a box to 'sort out' and Dez's mom will have a story to tell about each one, I'm sure. Maybe I should invest in a little recorder, she has an amazing memory for names, places, events - even to the point of who wore what at weddings they attended!!!!

LYNTHIA - perrish the thought!! We all know that you girls all lived out of town!

TINA - we all giggled so at your lovely imaginative poem.

CHRIS FORDE - my sentiments exactly. Moira and Glenda mentioned meeting up with you all in Banbury and how nice it was to see you and hear about how you were all doing now, as well as reminiscing on good ol' times. We all want to know the secret to your 'Peter Pan' looks !!!!

Just before I sign off and take a dip in the pool - it is SO hot here right now - Patricia Crause (nee Burns) asked if there was anyone with any information on Robin Williams. (I seem to remember Robin working as a car salesman - he also used to ride bikes at race meetings).
Robin was the step-brother of twins Dave and Mike Williams. Dave and Mike were good hockey players. All the boys (apparently) were adopted by Mr.(Baldy) and Mrs. Williams. Pat said that she had heard that Robin was with the American Army working as a Hellicopter Pilot and that he may have been killed - presumably an accident or something.

Well, cheerio from a terribly hot Saturday afternoon in Jo'burg.

Linda






Linda Burns (née Fenwick)Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 15:32:17 (UTC)


Northerners in Perth
I am after seedpods of the flamboyant or Poinciana tree that are in flower in Perth at the moment for my visual diary for my TAFE course in Drawing I am handmaking this diary, even hand sewing in the pages and for the cover I want to do a collage of the seed pod and seeds with a painting of the leaves and flowers, so if there is anyone who has a tree or knows of anyone or has one in their neighbourhood could you please let me know via email etc
so I can get a hold of some...
Many thanks
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 12:30:11 (UTC)


Chris lucky you .....living near the coast it was a lot hotter here in forrestfield my feet are testament to that, try walking on hot concrete in this heat,,,,,,ouch !! one must wear takkies outside say my piccanins.....!!!!
Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 11:23:49 (UTC)


Hi Chisanga,

Great story about Uncle Bob!

The Inyoni Chifita was not a suggestion for a dogs name but a reply to Marion Chisamba's question asking what would a blackbird be called in Chilapalapa.

I got the feeling that she was refering to the Chilapalapa version of the old childrens song, "Who killed Cock Robin"?
This went something like:-

Bani yena bulalili Koko Lobin?
Mena kulumili lo Sparrow
na lo my bow and arrow
etc.

The chorus goes something like:-

Zonke inyoni yena kalili
Skati yena eswili
Guti Koko Lobin yena ifwili
etc.

Arthur
I agree 100% with your letter! Everything in moderation. (Except wine, women and song). Chris's tip's are OK but he did get a bit carried away with the exuberance of his own verbosity as I so often do. How's the fishing going? Are you cutting holes through the ice like the Eskimos?

Craig
Thanks for removing the code of conduct and having a much more democratic approach. I appreciate it. However much as we try and be germane, as Linda says we soon run out of stories of a Land we left so long ago, and if we can't waffle a bit we will be reduced to lurking, silent readers. I personally enjoy stories about ex NRZ's new lives that they have made after leaving NRZ. We have had postings from Clive Gibborn-Dyer (Excuse spelling?)in Hong Kong telling us about that place, and then my friend from Iceland, and Ken from Canada. Great stories from far flung lands. Sorry I cannot remember all the names correctly. Too much aluminium in my diet giving me aldtimers disease!

Northerners
If you have a problem with someone's posting please don't harrass Craig or Arthur with floods of complaints. They are not referees. Email the offending poster direct, and remember that honey catches a lot more flies than vinegar.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 11:22:04 (UTC)


Hi all
a couple of months ago I was telling Tina a lovelly story about the heroic little beetle called Dung.....this little beetle from the family of Scarab was imported into Australia from africa and given VIP status to clear up all the lovelly bull dung left behind by of course introduced species of Bovine (cattle) happily these little creatures were to have lived happily ever after, there are still some out there in the wilds of Australia, but sadly I have read that the program went awry and there is no more progam at this present moment....I had a lovely little article to post about the wonderful little beastie from Africa munching through the bull dust of Australia with a painted picture etc but alas.........oh well I still have another little story to tell about the Dung beetle...hmmm another day perhaps...........

Broken Hill...versus Black hole in the universe......Hmmm
Artie, a good argument but hey from someone who has been to both broken hills albeit both very fleeting moments in time one has to protect the good name of (BH) Broken Hill...one in beautiful Northern Rhodesia/Zambia and Australia oh and a goldmine pit.....aka "Broken Hill pit at Mt Morgans goldmine...Tell me apart from being the BH of the Universe what other good things have you to say about dear old Kitwe, how did i get its name etc......friends it is great to be at home, albeit with the 42 degs celsius heat today.......and to Nico and John, who sweated it out in that heat today on my car.......Thanks very much

Alixandria Suzannah Key

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 11:17:25 (UTC)


What the GNR means to me! I discovered the GNR while surfing some 3 years ago. My first contact was Linda Dore who I remembered from primary school days but this soon led to reminiscing about the Kitwe stream, Rhodwins, the Hang Out, Garneton, Chingola races, the Tudor Inn.....it goes on. Then there were names that I hadn't seen for many years such as Viv Buitendag, Shirley Naude, Heather & Grant Knowles which started another flood of memories. There was a lot of talk about reuniions and bash's ...we missed the one in RSA but caught up with Linda & Mike in Perth,met a few new people in Nick, John Milton and Alix and then crazy as it seems we talked about heading to Banbury to catch up with even more people. At Banbury we met Craig, Arthur and Dave and really appreciated the work of the Brassington clan....but there was more to come....a very good friend of mine in Mark Dalton came out of the woodwork to catch up at Banbury. Pierre Papier, Blackie Hall and Guy Hobbs were also notable attendees.... phew with all this in mind I have to say that I don't mind what people write on the GNR as long as they keep writing and are encouraged to jump on if they feel the urge. Hazel and I met people at Banbury that we would never have come across. In addtion our good friend Maeve Byrne came with us to the bash...she had had no contact with anyone . The entertainment was incredible Brian Geyser, Mike, Paudie....
Thats what the GNR means....by the way if I am to be accused of being nostalgic I don't care as it is has been 39 degrees C here today and any relief is good relief.
Chris

Chris FordeClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 11:04:13 (UTC)


Hartley & Arthur...
Cape Times - Business Report - Thursday 6 Feb 2003 - Cape Town (Page 5).
Headline 'European retirees and Swallows still welcome to settle'.
The article is about changes to the South AFrican Immigration Act - means that people applying for permanent retirement permit or temporary ones, valid for four years, must have a life pension or irrevocable annuity worth R25 000 or a net worth of R15 million that provided an income of R25 000 per month.
It continues ... "This condition will not apply to people who have already retired in South Africa."
If your interested, I'll send you a scan of the article.
Regards
CJ
PS Arthur - I'm confident your outburst on BH has been cathartic to your psyche.

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 10:46:51 (UTC)


"What's in a name?"

Apologies to all who have heard this story before but in the context of Marion's dog-naming it bears repeating.

When I first came to Texas I took in a happy little Blue Heeler puppy. His mottled colouring made me think of a hyena and I promptly named him "Fisi".

After a week of calling him and getting strange looks from my neighbours one of them summoned the courage to ask me exactly what it was I had named the pup. I explained that his name was a common African name for "hyena" back in Zambia where I had grown up.

Understanding dawned in her eyes and a blush suffused her face. She and everyone else had thought that I had named the poor little pup Faeces or Feces to give it its American spelling, which in U.S. pronunciation sounded exactly like "Fisi". Needless-to-say we had a good giggle, she went off and spread the word to all the dear neighbours and I renamed my dog "Mosi" both for the wonderful "Smoke that Thunders" and for that libation so dear to all of us back home.

The Americans understood this to be "Mosey" and as my dog mosied everywhere with me, playing a constant Tonto to my Lone Ranger, everyone was happy.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 08:38:04 (UTC)


Northerners

I quote from the old Code of Conduct

"Germane" or "on-topic" messages are defined as those relating to Northern Rhodesia, Zambia and surrounding countries and their peoples throughout the world

Using that definition I fail to see how if keeping this in mind when posting messages it would stop any member reflecting their every day lives with a group of people who have a common bond.

There are many people here who share with us their everyday experiences and lives and what they get up to in the current day. Peter has described, and in some interesting detail, spending nights in a bed on a frozen lake in Canada under the stars, Barry from Iceland has shared with us his experiences in Africa as he travels around on business, Doug in Vryheid tells us much of what's happening in his neck of the woods, Johnny in Scarborough sharing his jokes etc etc - and I could go on about the many people here sharing their lives with us all here on the board - so sorry Linda and Hartley I do not accept at all what you say about people being unable to share their own everyday lives with us all because of some imagined 'generic' barrier.

In fact is was only a few days ago when diplomatically Doug suggested that perhaps the board was being overused with messages of sympathy and could soon become like the obituary column in the Times of London, yet when Craig makes a his views known on betting tips in an attempt to prevent the message board starting to look like a William Hill bookies shop he is accused of being intolerant - go figure.

The only other thing I would say on all this is that when we have to resort or intervene in some way it is because that complaints from members start to arrive in our e-mail boxes in increasing amounts about a particular member or subject. Most times we take the view of live and let live, after all some of us, me especially, are equally guilty of posting up rubbish too, so we just ask for moderation when you are doing it.

Hartley - I for one would be interested in your quest to get yourself a place back in South Africa and your views which seem to go against all the hype I read telling everyone they should leave SA at once. Are you on the Indian Ocean coast? Have you got spare rooms for a visitor?

Chris - I have no personal opinion on betting, everyone to his own, I would however be more interested to find our how the Whittemores are going on - especially the kids. And while I'm at it more current day info from Kitwe wouldn't go amiss.

Johnny - you can't even spell Chris's name right - so how do you expect to win on the tips he's giving you? - all your cash is probably going on the wrong horse and race.

Charles, my retort -

I read with interest an astronomy article on the BBCi news web-site last week in which some boffins had decided that at the actual Centre of the Universe there is a horrible Black Hole. (BH) For once I believe what I read in the news and I agree with your contention about the placing of your home-town.

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 08:00:03 (UTC)



Dear All,Regarding Chris Swartz racing postings on a sat morning there is never much activity on the board on a Sat morning and for all his well intentioned racing tips all he has succeeded in doing for me is that he has reduced me to standing on street corners with my cap held out to passers by,and now he has elevated himself from horses to the NYSE I shudder to think where I will end up, but I see no harm in him attempting to make us all rich I only wish he would come on early on Sat mornings or Frid nights as there is nothing on the board when I leave my place at 11am but is all there when I return when all the racing is over, but I canot see any harm in his well intentioned actions, I suppose we will have to live for the next 20 years listening to when he got lucky and gave us a 14 to 1 winner, which I never got on, but there is a lot more codswallop appears on the road besides Chris's efforts to enrich us all,live and let live Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 05:49:03 (UTC)


Doug,

I would keep away from Inyoni Chifita as the name for Marion's dog. The term might offend some.

The name Mugabe might be offensive too but with a good explanation the SPCA might be persuaded that this was not necessarily a negative statement about the particular dog or dogs in general.

For some resaon this reminds me of a story told me by a Washington based Zimbabwean.

According to the story, the great leader of Zimbabwe was being driven along a country road when suddenly his car hit a pig. The great leader, being a responsible citizen, decided that the owner of the pig had to be informed immediately. So, Mr. Mugabe asked his driver to visit nearby farms to find out if anyone had lost a pig.

Mr. Mugabe did not think this would take too long because (for reasons he could not fathom) the area no longer had a large number of farmers.

To Mugabe's surprise, the driver had still not come back after two hours. The president was almost in a state of panic, three hours later, when he heard the sound of foot fall.

Yes, the driver had returned. There was however something very different about the driver. His attire was dishevelled. The man had clearly been drinking. It was not just the stagger that gave the driver away; he actually had a bottle of wine in one hand and a huge cigar in the other.

"What on earth have you been up to?" shouted Mugabe.

"I am sorry sir but the farmer insisted on giving me this cigar and his wife said I had to have the bottle of wine. As if that wasn't enough, their daughter decided to make passionate love to me," replied the driver.

"Good grief," Mugabe exclaimed "What on earth did you tell them?"

The driver replied, "I said 'I am Robert Mugabe's driver and I just killed the pig'".



Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, February 07, 2003 at 21:16:06 (UTC)


Marion,
I have just posted an answer to your query about a african name for your new dog on the GNR detour. Now my computer is playing silly bugurs and telling me that there is no such place when I have just been on it. Agh! Maybe tomorrow it will come right.

My first suggestion for as name was 'Voet Sek' as this produces interesting results when people try to chase the dog away. Probably would not work in the US though.

Second was Mugabe although this may get you into trouble with the SPCA.

What about Inja?

As for blackbird it would probably be Inyoni Umnyama in Fanagalo / Chilapalapa / Chikabanga. Maybe in Chibemba Inyoni Chifita. But remember Koko Lobin is not a black bird.



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, February 07, 2003 at 19:42:46 (UTC)


Evening all...
I had a quick chat, in Cape Town this morning, with an ex-NR chap - John Pickering - and told him about the GNR site. Hopefully, he should be posting soon.

I also received an email from Kathy Ritchie, telling me Reg passed away on the 31st. Tragic news. My condolences to the family - particularly Kathy, Belinda, Hazel, Jane and Hugh.

On a lighter note - w.t.h. is Dawid van Amsterdam???? Hope all is well with him.
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, February 07, 2003 at 14:33:38 (UTC)


Well, I was going to keep my nose out of this discussion, but do want to comment on Hartley's posting. Many people that I maintain an email relationship with as a result of meeting or reconnecting on the board have said that they don't post anymore because they have said all they could that is germane to Northern Rhodesia/Zambia and their experiences of living there at some point in their lives. That is why there are a lot of us who still read the board, but have nothing more to contribute beyond commenting on someone else's posting. Don't get me wrong. This is not meant as a sword thrust, but merely to reinforce what Hartley has said does have merit. We have told all our stories, and not living there now, our lives are at a different point. When new members first come on board, we get some fresh stories, but when they have recounted their experiences, they fall into the same boat as the rest of us. I don't know how many members are on the Names Directory now, but the only thing the "oldies" can do at the moment is wait for new members and interact with them on a "when we" basis.

The exception to that is Heather. I must state that we all enjoy her photography, and her postings about Zambia today are wonderful. I look forward to her postings, and also to Ian Singer's updates.

I would imagine the people like myself who have been around long enough to hear all the stories are maintaining their correspondence with folks by email. Hopefully, we will continue to get new members joining, and old friends finding each other. That was and is part of the intent of the board. It's just a pity that we can't expand the intent of the board a little so that people can enjoy each other in their real day to day lives too.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 07, 2003 at 10:27:35 (UTC)


I have to agree with the more recent postings. My first thoughts were to agree with both Craig and Heather, mainly because I don’t like horses and don’t gamble, but having thought about it this would be imposing my views on others which is always the case with any type of censorship.

Very few of us have any ties to Zambia except memories of our lives there 10, 20, 30 years ago and to keeping up a message board where everything is ‘generic’ for us is impossible.

The message board should reflect the every day lives of a group of people who have a common bond. This year I have now lived in the UK as long as I lived in NR/Zambia,
My life has changed since leaving Zambia and trying to remember events back 20+ years is not an easy thing to do so I don’t post very often, as I can’t think of much to say that is ‘generic’. With restrictions on what can and cannot be posted being too tight the message board will die and all the good work that has been achieved will be wasted.

An example of what I mean is that I spent most of January in South Africa and have even gone as far as buying a house out there that I intend initially spending a couple of months a year in and then later on anything up to 6 months a year there. I have not made mention because it is not ‘generic’. I do however try and see as many ex Zambians when I am in Joburg but this year I was rather busy so didn’t get to see as many people as I normally do.

On a ‘generic’ note, my father is currently going through his collection of slides from our time in NR/Zambia but what will come out of this I do not know. This has prompted me to retrieve my slides from the loft that I will go through over the next few weeks. I was involved in motor rallying in Zambia, took the left seat next to Max Scott, and if my memory serves me will I have a number of slides from various National Rallies. Will see what I come up with and will post anything that has survived.


Hartley HeatonClick here to contact me
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, February 07, 2003 at 09:45:31 (UTC)


I've also been absent recently but I think that the fact that the so called code of conduct has proved to be unnecessary is proof positive that us old codgers know how to behave . So let Chris throw out his betting tips every so often ; nice to hear that Zambia is up with the rest of the world !

But what has happened to our GNR Founder ; he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth ? Not good news.


Doug WaybushClick here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Friday, February 07, 2003 at 01:34:29 (UTC)


Hi all,
I've been quiet for a while - but must add my tuppence. I agree with Peter D (nothing to do with our origins at the centre of the Universe (for those not in the know - BH)). Lets "Keep it down to a cup final!"
I better knock quit now, as this missive is beginning to look like pseudo-code (or assembler,ABAP,.. etc...).
Regards to all my old friends.
Alix....
Great news. Fondest...

Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 21:58:14 (UTC)


Peter,

Hear, hear.

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 21:39:31 (UTC)


One of the really nice things I learned growing up in Southern and Northern Rhodesia with a bunch of kids from all over the world is to be a little tolerant of others.

There have been all kinds of postings on this board and even though I may not have agreed with some, I have never taken offense. I know there are some people who do not subscribe to some of my views but who tolerate me never the less (bless their souls, hee, hee). It takes me all of two seconds to decide if I like a message and if not, skip to the next one.

I happen to be someone who likes Chris Swarts postings. They are not offensive in nature and one of these days he's actually going to give us a real winner again.

As for his connection to Northern Rhodesia - well unlike most of us he still lives there and keeps us informed of the Kitwe happenings.

But having said all that.... This board was put up by the hard work of Dawie, Heather and Craig and others which certainly gives them a big voice in the type of content if they so desire...

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 20:46:42 (UTC)


Alexandria,

Welcome home

Nou ye moet sterek wees!

Alle van die beste

Jannie Miltoen

John MiltonClick here to contact me
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 17:16:42 (UTC)


Hi All

If anyone needs to set up a simple message board there's no need to create a website.

The following URL will let you quickly and easily set up a simple, unthreaded discussion forum.

http://www.quicktopic.com

I've used this on NRZam to set up forums for Gilbert/ Jean Rennie and Codrington former pupils.

Hope this helps.

Regards Ian


Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 15:43:00 (UTC)


Rob Wilson, Bill Richards, Cliff King

Happy Birthday




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 14:03:50 (UTC)


Chris Swart

Yes, I would very much like to air my views.

The original (and current) purpose of this web site was as a medium through which Zambians/Northern Rhodesians could share their memories and experiences and a medium through which they can connect with old friends and make new friends. It is also supposed to be a pleasant place for people to visit.

Since removing the Code of Conduct, it is not a stated requirement that subjects discussed on the message board are germane and relevant to Zambia. However, the result of non-germane postings is annoyance and irritation.

I don't know about you, but I suspect that, like me, you have more than enough annoyance and irritation in your life without having to put up with it when you do the things that bring you pleasure like visiting the GNR.

Having said this, I am sure there are a number of people who like to receive your betting tips. Perhaps they could contact you directly and you could email them directly with these tips.

An alternative would be to set up your own web site for this. They're not very expensive or you could go for one of the free ones - there are many. And doing web sites is not that difficult - I have recently bought some CD's which teach you how to do it all. I have spent about an hour going through the CD's and am now ready to do web sites, from start to finish. And the CD's didn't cost me very much either - about K 50,000 and they are available in Lusaka. If you want, I will buy some for you and send them up to Kitwe.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 13:58:49 (UTC)


Lynthia

No, no inside information, just a vivid imagination. In fact, I didn't even live in Kitwe. I was just a sweet, artless, innocent, blushing little Lusaka Convent girl. I always had to swallow butter in lumps because it wouldn't melt in my mouth.

Talking of Lusaka Convent - I would very much like to send Arthur scans of some Pirates of Penzance pictures and the Program. If you were in the cast and do not want the pictures on the GNR please let me know in the next week.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 11:40:22 (UTC)


Craig
Last time I looked the share price had gained an average of over 18%. The tip for Ipe Tombe to win the July at 14/1 makes for 14 losing bets thereafter.This is not the case. The mug punter that goes in blind is the punter that ends up losing, that is what the house relies on. I have inside connections with Ferraris, Kimberley, Uren and Greeff stables and punt soley on their recommendations. This is what beats the house and if done professionally leads to gains. The mug backs ten horses to win ten races the professional backs one to win one. This perhaps explains why card counters and professional gamblers are barred entry through an efficient inter casino security system in Vegas.
If my postings have caused offence to anyone I retract and will no longer post them.
Perhaps other members would like to air their views?


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 10:11:35 (UTC)


Chris,

Seeing as I don't have the big stick of the Code of Conduct anymore, I'm going to use the same stick that anyone here has and post my thoughts publicly.

Quite frankly I fail to see what horse and stock speculation (both of which are gambling and, last time I checked, the house always wins) have to do with Northern Rhodesia or Zambia. With all due respect to you, I also don't think that any smart investor is going to make stock trades of any magnitude based on hearsay posted on a message board.

Speaking purely for myself, of course, I'd prefer if both topics were discussed either in private e-mail or on other message boards where they are relevant, not here where they are not.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 06:03:21 (UTC)


Tina
Sounds as if you have inside info on this saga .............

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 05:54:42 (UTC)


I took the liberty of entering the stock code on yahoo finance and came up with this

Symbol Last Trade Change Volume
CDED.OB 3:59pm 0.07 +0.01 +18.64% 2,960,400

Being a complete novice at this I guessed the shares were trading on the NYSE. perhaps you can enlighten us as to how and where to buy the shares?

Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 05:04:14 (UTC)


Chris Swart.

Please note that there are no, repeat no, shares tading on the New York Stock Exchange at 5-6 cents per share. They may be quoted on the Pink Sheets but certainly not on the NYSE.

Robert HuntleyClick here to contact me
Carmel, California, United States
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 02:16:08 (UTC)


Chris Swart.

Please note that there are no, repeat no, shares tading on the New York Stock Exchange at 5-6 cents per share. They may be quoted on the Pink Sheets but certainly not on the NYSE.

Robert HuntleyClick here to contact me
Carmel, California, United States
Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 02:13:16 (UTC)


In days of yore in Kitwe
The local kids were naughty.
They even scared poor Mrs. Burns
Though she was over forty.
For pedalling blthely down the road
It seems she came a cropper.
She wobbled, took a nasty turn
Kissed the lantana proper!
Some said it was the Nadauld girls
Who scared her off her Raleigh.
But they insist we should desist
For t'weren't them, actu-ally!
No, no, they say. At least this time
They were as pure as Vicars!
....Who was it made poor Mrs. Burns
Pull blackjacks off her knickers???


Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 23:34:18 (UTC)



David Gray John Roulet was a good friend of mine have you still got contact with him if so could you send me his where abouts please.
-----------------
Marion I think it could have been Kangela Lo Blackie Manoni
Regards to all Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 22:31:56 (UTC)


Instead of the old horses that run slowly I have a tip from a reliable source for shares. Buy the following share. Care Decision Corporation known as CDED. The share has expected growth to 22c in the next six months. Currently trading at 5.9c on the NYSE. My source made money on similar shares last year with growth from $1 to $22 on a share. In the past hour the share price has risen 25%. So if the money is burning your pockets dabble a little.


Chris SwartClick here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 17:09:15 (UTC)


Hello everyone,

hope all are well. I have question i am sure someone here can answer.

I was looking for the name of a black bird in Chilapalapa.

thanks
Marion


Marion MurphyClick here to contact me
United States
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 16:36:22 (UTC)


Jeremy Salisbury

Happy Birthday.




The Zambezi River

Sometime ago (a year, two years ???) someone asked where the name Zambezi came from. I've been looking for this information since then and today was having a chat with Yuyi Libakeni. Yuyi comes from Western Province (Barotseland) and is extremely knowledgeable about the Lozi people, their traditions, their beliefs and their history. I asked him this question.

He told me that this is a question that has never been fully answered, but it is widely believed that it was named by the Lunda people. The Lunda live around the source of the river in Zambia's Northwestern Province. Although he did not know what the word meant, it was orginally called Yambeji and Zambezi is a corruption of that word.

In Lozi country, the Zambezi is known as Lyambai, which is the Lozi word for river. This is a corruption of Ngambai which is the Luyana word for big river. It was given that name when the original Lozis came down from the Congo. Luyana was the language which the Lozi people spoke before being invaded by the Kololo people and is still spoken in the Royal Courts etc.

But more about that in the future.

Barrie Braidford

No, the Livingstone Cemetery is not in the background of any of the photos. It is situated on Nakatindi Road which is the main road west from Livingstone to Kasungula. Sadly, most of our cemeteries are in a very poor state with overgrown grass, broken headstones and no numbers on the graves, making it very difficult to identify which grave is which. The only exception are the Jewish sections, which have been maintained by the Jewish community here. However, could I suggest that you email me the information on your dad and I will ask a friend of mine to go into the council and see if they still have the records. We might then be able to identify the grave. The only other alternative is if you have a photograph with an identifiable landmark.

No, I haven't posted all the info on the Livingstone Lark yet. I am in the process of trying to get all the information collated and in a respectable and readable format. I hope to have that completed by the end of this week.

David Gray

You want to keep elastic bands away from you? There is only one way - send lots of old photographs or lots of stories!!

I agree with what you said about disposing of your Hornby train set. We had one that gave us hours and hours of pleasure. But one day, when we were away at boarding school, my mother decided to dispose of ours and we came back to this empty room. But not only that, she got rid of our Dinky cars and most of our books at the same time. I was devastated.

But as if that wasn't enough ... she committed an even greater sin. When I was about 4 years old, the item that my sister and I wanted most was a blackboard. One day my sister said to my father 'when you have £20,000 will you buy me a blackboard?'. This became a family joke and many years later, as a joke, we bought her a blackboard. But in the meantime, I had been given a blackboard for one of my birthdays (being the youngest, my parents could afford more as I grew up, except I never got that Lego that I wanted) and this was the only toy of mine that my mother never got rid of. Not until I was about 25, that is. My sister was about to have her first child and my mother decided to get out all the old toys that she had kept (two teddys and a doll's cradle was the sum total I think). Included in this was my blackboard, except that I didn't know it at the time. I only found out about it four years later when my daughter was born and I decided that it was time I took it out of storage at my parents home. My mother quite calmly told me that she thought it was my sisters. I still haven't forgiven either of them.

Chris Cantrell

Beware, I might write you one of those stupid poems for your birthday!!

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 14:01:20 (UTC)


Hello to all of you where ever you are,
It is a long time since I have posted, but I have been loitering, I too was very impressed with the Pictures from over the falls,can any one confirm that Livingstone Cemetery
was somewhere in the background on at least one of the pictures??? As some of you already know, my father is interred there. This year is the 50th anniversary of his death, and we are trying very hard to enable us to attend the "Livingstone Bash" in September.
HEATHER. What is the latest info on the Bash?? if already posted, where can I find it? please.
Best wishes and regards to you all. Have a good Day/NIght what ever, which ever side, top or bottom of this globe you may be on.
Barribee.

Barrie BraidfordClick here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 08:08:52 (UTC)


Heather/Arthur

Are you sure that your decimal point is in the right place? I never dreamed that I would be a Kwacha multi millionaire on my meagre pocket money in the 1950s! Lest I be threatened with the dreaded elastic bands, please feel free to scan in any photos of mine which you find in the old Rhokana Reviews!!!

Very interesting to see a picture of Holdsworths Chemists shop situated next to the post office. The left hand window always contained the displays of photographic apparatus and my nose would be glued to that window each time I visited town. I recall a conversation with my Dad in 1950 in which I explained that life could not go on without an 8 mm movie camera and that a suitable birthday present would be a Swiss Paillard Bolex L8 camera costing £52-10-00. Those were the days of 110% copper bonus and I didn't see any problem. My Dad, wise psychologist that he was, said that he saw no reason why I shouldn't have the camera but that I should save for it. That started a two year long period of intense saving during which time I turned everything into money. My pocket money was increased to 10/- a month and I went around on my bicycle retrieving discarded mineral water bottles valued at 3 pence each to boost the savings. I also disposed of my Meccano set and Hornby Dublo train set (stupid move that!) By 1953 I had saved the required sum and my Dad and I went into Holdsworth and discussed the matter with Mr. Adamson and Len Willis their photographic expert. I walked out with the L8 and it still is a prized possession although film is very expensive now, particularly in SA Rand terms. One of the earliest films I made was a record of the Coronation celebrations in Nkana/Kitwe. My school friends John Roulet and David Thomas also had movie cameras so Frederick Knapp School was well represented on the movie making side. John went on to join the Central African Film Unit and was responsible for many of the Northern Spotlight News Reels which were shown at the Astra.

Hope I haven't bored you to tears!

Cheers

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 07:29:50 (UTC)


This was sent to me a couple of days ago and is one of those rare forwarded e-amils that really made n=me chuckle. Hope it brings a smile to you aswell!

The following is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation in
>
> October 1995, between a US Navy ship off the coast of England, and some
> British authority. The transcript was released by the MoD on 10/10/95.
>
>
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> > > BRITS: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South, to avoid a
> collision.
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> >
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> > > AMERICANS: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North,
> to avoid a collision.
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> >
>
> > > BRITS: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the
> South to avoid a collision.
>
> >
>
> > > AMERICANS: This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert
> YOUR course.
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> >
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> > > BRITS: Negative. I say again. You will have to divert your course.
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> >
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> > > AMERICANS: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN. THE SECOND
> LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY
> THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS, AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND
> THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR
> COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.
>
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
>
> > BRITS: We are a lighthouse. Fu*k off.
>

Bridget


Bridget BillanyClick here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 10:25:34 (UTC)


Heather


You have my permission to forget my birthday as often as you like

Chris CantrellClick here to contact me
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 09:30:43 (UTC)


Compared with the rest of the world, things move pretty slowly here and I move even slower.

One of my New Years resolutions was that I was not going to miss anyone's birthday and here we are at the beginning of February already and I'm only starting to think about doing something about this resolution. And to make matters worse, I thought yesterday was 1st February!!!

Belated birthday wishes to Gwyn Jones, Peter Clark, Jonathan Seward, Jackie Slade, Rupert Johns, Michael Minne, Jan Budkowski and Bob Eglinton

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 08:46:03 (UTC)


Arthur

Your spirit level? I dropped it into the Boiling Pot as we were flying over, so I had to ask the pilot to fly at an angle to offset the natural slant I give to photographs.

Elastic bands - I have plenty and having just got a new applicator, am dying to try it out. But what about Linda? When I was down in Jo'burg she promised me that she was going to get some stories from Dez' mom (or at least, I think it was his mom). I know you have many strategies for persuading ladies so perhaps we should visit Jo'burg together.

By my reckoning, 30 bob is now worth about K 1,228,500 but don't you think David should be paying us because we've been so kind as to display his photograph?

Did you know ...

Chililabombwe means 'the croaking frog'

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 08:37:05 (UTC)


Norman and anyone else tempted to post the latest (and often not-so-latest) hoax here:

Please read the information on this quasi-hoax on the Snopes Urban Legends Reference Pages at www.snopes.com/inboxer/scams/jailcall.htm. Snopes is a good place to find out if that "forward this to all of your friends" message is for real or not. Most of the time they are not.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 04:00:23 (UTC)


Trying to contact Keith Jenner who was in Ndola during the 60's If anybody has any idea where he is please email me at bpwalden@hotmail.com

Thanks

Brian WaldenClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 00:40:15 (UTC)


WARNING TO U.K. MEMBERS OF GNR

If you receive a telephone call from an individual who identifies him/herself as being an AT & T service Technician who is conducting a test on that line, or if anyone else asks you to do the following, DON'T!. They will state that to complete the test, the recipient should dial nine, then zero (90), then the hash key, and then hang up.

This then gives them full access to your 'phone line, which allows them to place long distance, international or chat-line calls. These are then billed to your account.

This information, which the police have, suggests that many of these calls emanate from local prisons. This information has been checked out by the police and is correct.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CIRCULATE THIS INFORMATION TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

Norman KenwardClick here to contact me
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 00:28:57 (UTC)


Johnny

That reminds of thwe time when the District Commissioner of Chinsali was showing a cockney lady tourist the crocs in the Chambeshi River. As a massive croc swam by she asked fearfully in her cockney accent, "If I falls in the river will that there croc eat me ''ole?"

The DC replied in his best upper crust English, "No dear lady! They will spit that part out!"

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 20:05:01 (UTC)



Dear Linda don't be to frightened of crocodiles they are very fussy what the eat, Love Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 19:08:21 (UTC)


Oi Arty!!

I take exception to the very thought that either Vivienne or I would ever do anything, scary or otherwise, to cause an old lady to fall off her bike!! But it sounds hilarious in any event!

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge)Click here to contact me
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 13:24:43 (UTC)



BUMPER STICKER:
'Don't lend money to friends. It causes amnesia.

Regards Johnny.



JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 08:33:31 (UTC)


Thanks heaps to Heather, Arthur, Mike and Tina for the magnificent photo postings of Vic Falls, wildlife and old shots of Kitwe/Chingola.

You are setting a cracking pace so early in the year!

Even the second class trading area looks better in the "good old days".

Cheers to all

Robert AllanClick here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 04:48:46 (UTC)


Arthur
Thanks for posting these great photos and to Heather, again, for her photographic genius.

I don't know if everyone feels like I do, but even if I don't know the people in the other photos that are posted, I still enjoy looking at them just as much as if they were friends I grew up with. Thanks for your contributions.

Craig
Whatever you have in mind for enhancements is always appreciated, although the site is fantastic as is.

Reggie
A glass of G&T was raised in your honour today.

This evening, I thought I would sit and veg in front of the TV and watch the nature program for a quiet, peaceful, change of pace. My stomach is still churning... It was featuring crocodiles of the world, specifically their hunting and killing instincts. Having stared into beady eyes close up, and watching the death roll numerous times, I am now afraid to put my feet down off the couch. ha! ha!

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 02:22:25 (UTC)


Northerners !

My apologies for the sporadic replies to your e-mails - problems again with my PC which hopefully are now fixed with a new one which left another hole in my pocket! If any of you are due a reply it may be that your e-mail was lost when my previous system gave up the ghost.

For anyone who has sent me e-mail with photo attachments or documents for publishing these are safe so don't worry - I did a back-up shortly before the old PC went belly-up. It is just some regular e-mail that got lost.

Denise Horton

Glad you saw the photo of your dad, yes I did note the technology on his desk, that's what caught my eye when I first saw the photo - did you see that stunning pic sent in by Peter Hills I posted in November? (Monday, November 18, 2002 at 00:12:29 (UTC)) In those days that was the cutting edge ! (and probably lasted a bit longer than todays equipment).

Do you remember the Schmid family that lived on Boma Street?

Greg Crawford

Next time you see Sharon (Padkin) please ask her to visit and join the GNR - finally after all this time on the GNR I am beginning to see more and more names I recognise from the past.

If you're interested in rusty old mining gear (like me) I have a CD with a fantastic collection of photos donated by George Maxwell and Peter Hills amongst others. They are mostly black and white and cover most of the Copperbelt Mines. Send me your address and I will put one in the post for you. If you wish to share the photos Sharon left you with us all please also drop me a line.

As you will see below someone else also saw my posting about recognising Sharon Padkin - take a look at the photo he sent me.

Mark Sturgeon

Click for image.

Thanks for your reply on last months message board. I also found this photo but I'm not sure if it's your dad again as he is referred to as "Bob" and not Bill in the photo.

Donald Burton

Click for image.

Here's one of your dad.

John Milton

Click for image.

The Fred Crawford (draughtsman) in one of the two pics I posted last month was not Greg's dad, the other pic of Fred Crawford - the leadburner - was.

Perhaps you will remember these guys too.

For the Frederick Knappers

Click for image.

Any girls recognise themselves - c 1954?

For the Chingolans this time

Click for image.

School champions 1953

(All Photos above from the Rhokana Review)


Dave Gray

I hope you are not gonna try and charge me the equivalent of 30 bob for using your photo from the Rhokana Review ! What a coincidence having your photo posted again !

If you think about it that was a LOT of loot in those days. I wonder how much in today's terms that would be worth?

Linda Burns

I think it was Lynthia or Vivienne who posted the tale of doing something so scary to Mrs Burns that she fell off her bike. And they have gone very quiet just now which leads me to conclude I was right.

And next time Heather is down in the Jo'burg area she has instructions from me to pay a short visit to Grant and Dez. Do you know what they do to sheep with an elastic band? Heather's favourite persuasive method.

As for you Linda, report to the headmasters office with 3000 lines of "It is Riverain - not Roverrain or Riverrain" in your best handwriting mind. 25 school day photographs will be an acceptable substitution.

Bob Eglington

Welcome to the GNR - thanks for posting your message and I hope you find a few people from the old days here yourself.

Your trips out to your grandparents place sounded fantastic.

Hope you will be able to dig up a few old photos of your Broken Hill days for us all when you get home.

David Thomas

Welcome to the GNR as well! I have seen mention of Mrs Garson and maybe even a photo or two in the Rhokana Reviews I have looked at. I will keep an eye out for you and also see what photos of the Anglican Church in Kitwe I can find.

I avoided anything to do with church and Sunday school when I was a kid, even more than being taken to Mufulira and the park. The torture some parents put their children through. I always preferred fishing and other things. Like I do now.



And now for some other stuff.

Did you all see Heather's fantastic photos of Victoria Falls last month ? Stunning pics and enough to make anyone homesick. Brilliant work. All level too - even in the helicopter - I didn't waste my money when I bought her that spirit level!

I sneaked a look before you lot saw them all and Heather posted them.

I gripped these two and joined them together for a wide-angle shot.

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This one I thought was one of the best Heather had ever taken, but she left it out of her posting!

Click for image.

This photo is so atmospheric you can feel the spray and hear the noise, a very powerful shot.

Some other Vic Falls pics Heather left off her posting that I liked.

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Heather - brilliant photos - thanks for taking the time out for us all.


Arthur




Here's a bit of a measly message left in my e-mail box

This is the Island Breeze, which was once the Union Castle Transvaal Castle and later the SAFMarine Vaal.

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Transvaal Castle

Tot kijk...




And another

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A nice Iteshi Teshi sunset picture for you.


Tina

Thanks Tina - was it Heather who told you how much I love sunsets? - Arthur




Hello Arthur,

My apologies for the delay in submitting more photos, I had a complete computer crash which resulted in the computer being returned to the makers. I'm back in business now but have lost a lot of material. However for starters here are more photos from Luangwa.

Click for image. Click for image. Click for image. Click for image. Click for image.


and a 1953 photo of Holdsworths Chemists in Kitwe.

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This street scene is from the Second class Trading Area in Kitwe late 50s early 60s.

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You mentioned Sharon Padkin some days ago. Attached is a photo of Sharon taken around the time you spoke of.

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From left to right :- Fred Crawford (Greg's dad), Tina Crawford, Bill Padkin, Pauline Chegwyn, Lindsay Crawford, Doug Padkin, Lesley Wilson, Rene Padkin, Sharon, Audrey Wilson, Myself (hidden), Tony Wilson, David Padkin and Ron Chegwyn.



Regards,

Mike Wilson - Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom




Thanks Mike for the photo - Sharon was in my class when I was around 11 or 12 years old - if you have any shots of Sharon at that age I will buy you a crate of beer.

Arthur






Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, February 03, 2003 at 00:41:13 (UTC)


Linda,

The new site is progressing nicely and the poorly-presented site navigation will be addressed then. We will probably also be changing the way the message board works at the same time, and that might present an opportunity for a separate condolences message board.

Survey

Suggestions from the membership bring to mind the survey we ran in September, right before Banbury. Some of you might be wondering what the hell happened to the results. Well, shortly after I returned from Banbury I had some personal issues to deal with and then some pressing GNR issues to deal with which took up most of my non-working time until the New Year. I am going to try and get those results posted on the site in the next week or two.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 19:37:00 (UTC)


SWINTON-JONES ....


Greetings, have just received the following e-mail from my old pal reggie


Reginald Swinton-Jones
Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:46 PM
kenmillerxxxxxx@sympatico.ca
(No subject)


My Dear Miller,

Have just read young Doug Grewar's suggestion about having an obituary section. Brilliant idea.

Life is to short to be filling the GNR board with messages of condolence.

Heard that Marlene passed away, damn pity, a fine woman. Must admit that I drowned my sorrows with a hefty gin and "T". She certainly had a zest for life, and would want all of us to get on with the job.

All the best old chap, remember your British and keep a stiff upper lip.

Yours in her Britannic Majesty's service.


Reginald Swinton-Jones, O.B.E., D.S.O. and Scar,R.S.V.P.
District Commissioner Chinsali
Northern Rhodesia
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Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 19:09:26 (UTC)


Hi Doug:

Yes, you are right. It is a very sensitive point. For instance, who would make the decision as to the couple more public expressions of condolence, before we should use email instead. I have done it both ways, and I expect others have too. It is also human nature to reflect on our own mortality when we read about others, depending on the age of the person who has recently passed on.

Actually, there is an obituary link on the site, off of the Names Directory page. However, I am not sure that everyone realises it is there or checks on it frequently. Some people have perhaps forgotten it is there - like me. Apologies for that. I just simply forgot it was there, but would remember to use it if I could see it right in front of me. I don't normally also look at the Names Directory link when I come on to post a message.

Craig, I am wondering if there is any merit to having the obituary link displayed on the message board menu above as well as on the Names Directory page? And perhaps modifiying the link so that condolence messages could be posted there instead of on the main message board? That way, it is there if you want to access it and offer your condolences publicly, but away from the main message board. I think we might find members are somewhat equally divided on their thoughts of public condolence messages, but this may be a way to resolve it. Perhaps we could diplomatically handle it by way of a short message on the message board, referring members to info in the obituary link regarding the person - e.g "Please see obituary link re: John Smith" Just a thought.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 16:19:28 (UTC)


Hi All

First of all, my apologies for taking up a large chunk of the MB with these two NRJ summaries. My intention is to not have you wasting time if there is nothing in a particular number to interest you so I hope you will bear with me!

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated:

Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume II - No. 5 - 1954
The Problem of Mweru-Wantipa
Early History of Road Transport in Northern Rhodesia
Trekking Cattle Through Northern Rhodesia in 1904: Part 1
Memories of Abandoned Bomas - No. 7 - Shaloba
A History of Horse Racing in Northern Rhodesia
"Tambalika" Marshall: Letter of Apointment
The Luapula Valley
Crocodile Stories from Barotseland
Some Bird Censuses on the Kafue Flats
Kasempa 1901-1951
Notes:
First Record - No.7 The First Township /Some Lake Tanganyika Fish /Edward Arden Copeman /JG Roberts Remembers Feira in 1907 /New Contributors to this Number /Extracts from District Notebooks - No. 5 Chansa Walala's Pool /Some Historic Railway Lines at Livingstone /Doctor Charles Fisher on the Early Days /The Chambeshi Memorial /Game Management and Private Game Areas
Lusaka Natural History Club
Correspondence:
Slavery /Some Fortified Stations /Corrigenda: Rainfall in Northern Rhodesia /Grammar /Choma Boma and Kalungwishi Boma /Forgotten Graves: Kalungwishi; Kafulwe; Kawambwa; Ndola /Forgotten Graves: Chilanga /Corrigenda: List of Zambezi Fish /An Old Ceremony Maintained /Queer Hunting Stories /Richard Palmer and the Fish
Book Reviews
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Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume II - No. 6 - 1954
Mweru Wa Ntipa and the Red Locust
On Some Aspects of Rainfall in Northern Rhodesia - Part II
The Black Lechwe and Modern Methods of Wild Life Conservation in Africa
Trekking Cattle through Northern Rhodesia in 1904 Part II
More about Mpeseni
Early Days in Balovale
Livingstone in the Luwingu District
Memories of Abandoned Bomas No. 8: Chiengi
Lusaka Natural History Club
Notes:
My First Ulendo from Salisbury to Abercorn, 1905 by Gordon Lobb / Big Crocodiles / Lions / First Records - No. 8 The First Northern Rhodesia Journal / Hubert Tyler Harrington MBE / Rhodesia Broken Hill Mine / Kansanshi Mine / New Contributors to this Number / Arthur Davison / Gervas Clay's Scrapbook / Extracts from District Notebooks- No.6 The Ila /
Correspondence:
John Harrison Clark (Changa Changa) / Harrison Clark / Kayambi Mission / The Northern Rhodesia Regiment /
Book Reviews

Best Regards

Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 15:52:03 (UTC)


I would like to make a suggestion about a rather sensitive subject and I hope I don't offend anyone.

Most of our members are of fairly mature age and we will all be in line to kick the bucket before too long, and at an increasing rate. If we all post our sympathetic messages on the board, it will become like the obituary column in the Times of London. This is known to be read by elderly Englishmen before they get up every morning to find out whether they are dead or alive.

May I suggest that once a death has been announced and one or two messages of sympathy have been posted, then anyone further who wishes to express sympathy, does it by direct email rather than on the message board.

Diplomatically - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 15:19:38 (UTC)


I read with interest the January 2003 letters telling a little about the life of Lillian Burns.

Mrs Burns had a profound influence on my life and I would like to share this with you. I was born in Kitwe and went to Sunday school at St Michaels. In 1953 when I was 12 years of age, now 50 years ago, Mrs Burns singled me out to teach me to play the organ for the church (I was "learning the piano" under Mrs Garson of 59/6th Avenue Nkana -- another colourful Northern Rhodesian). Mrs Burns used to meet me at the church every Saturday morning, yes on her bicycle, and teach me organ playing techniques on the old pedal harmonium in the church at that time. As time went by I started playing for services there and even weddings, before leaving Kitwe to go to university in Cape Town.

My organ planing ability brought my music back to life when I started playing for services at St Martin’s Church, Bergvliet, Cape Town in the early 70’s. This continued until 1986 when I migrated with my family to Brisbane Australia. Soon after arriving here I started playing again and now play every week at St George’s Church, Birkdale, near Brisbane. A highlight was when I was asked to play at St John’s Cathedral, Brisbane for a major gathering there.

The foundation laid down by Lillian Burns has indeed served me well. I wonder whether she thought I would reach such heights when she started me off in Kitwe all those years ago.




David ThomasClick here to contact me
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 13:31:06 (UTC)


To the Miller, Main, Marsh & Alexander Families

Please accept our most deepest and sincere sympathies on the loss of your most treasured loved ones. Our prayers are with you. God Bless

Kind Regards

Geoff & Norma Gogle

Norma Gogle (née Tupper, formerly Riddle)Click here to contact me
Summerland, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 03:20:36 (UTC)


THE MARSH FAMILY .....

My condolences to you as you mourn the loss of Patrick.

May you find the comfort that I have found from our GNR family as I mourn for Marlene.

May the souls of the faithful departed rest in peace and light perpetual shine on them.

Ken

Kenneth (Ken) MillerClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 01:59:32 (UTC)


Our sincere condolances to the Alexzandra's & Marsh famalies
on the passing of Patrick our thought's are with you all,
I see you Linda!
Maraget & Netasha (Malan)

Margaret (Maggi) Rodd Malan BarretClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 08:12:29 (UTC)


To the Marsh Family,

I am so saddened to hear of Pat's passing. Joy - you were a special friend when we lived in Kitwe - please accept my most heartfelt condolences on your great and sudden loss.

Linda, I know you have taken this very badly - I am thinking of you my friend.

Love,

Jill

Jill AplinClick here to contact me
South Africa
Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 06:50:15 (UTC)


Hello one and all,

Two months ago stumbled accross the GNR whilst tracking 'spoor' on the web. Have been in touch with Arthur and he suggested that I post my e-mail to him on the message board as this old timer does have many memories of earlier times.

Hi Arthur,

E-mail in this morning from my wife informing that the disk you have very kindly sent arrived. I now have a three week wait before my next rest break so will look forward to finding out all those things I was unaware of in BH. Mind you, I did leave BH a long, long time ago. Looks to me that I will need to make time to go through all the boxes tucked away and old photo albums for articles to scan for the GNR. My Dad told me that when the second WW broke out he was called up and the staging area for the troops was in BH. He was in for the full war period and afterwards worked on a coal mine in Wankie but after being trapped for three days underground left and took up a post in BH. He joined the Overseas Development Agency which was a British Government aid set up on loan to the Northern Rhodesian Government. Good one, as he had never ever been to the UK. A survey school was set up for selected Africans and low and behold it was the old staging camp for the troops being formed. We lived in one of the two houses whilst the students used the old troupe quarters. I can recall a large corrugated water storage tank atop a purpose built mound to give running water to the camp. The whole area was surrounded with deep storm drains and located about two miles out of BH town. I understand that I was born in the war hospital not the one I now see on the GRN.

Dad had a 8mm cinie-camera, the one where you wound up the spring. This was in use from very early on and some years back I paid to have all the film footage transposed to VHS where six copies were made one for each of the children, my brothers and sisters. I can now see that I have a long term project to extrapolate appropriate footage to disk for the GRN. From my very hazy recollection I recall going on a day trip to see the Kariba wall being cast. Parked way up on the escarpment the large yellow dumper trucks appeared to be the size of a Matchbox toy. There was also the large cement bucket that travelled back and fourth on the overhead strung wire cables.

Over the last two years have been putting my many Rhodesian adventures down as a momento for my three children. Still adding to the tales as by putting one yarn down it triggers the memory of another incident. Although I was in trouble often my mischief was very amusing in the main. It has also led to a second book with regard to my working life, as again there are numerous amusing incidents and situation. It is a wonder that I have survived and must have two guardian angels, one on each shoulder.

I have been catching up on some of the GNR archived messages and come across a couple of instances that were around my time. Some one was talking about the Mazabuka era and for the life of me cannot place him although most of the people he talks about I knew well but not him. Strange, he too lived on the Research Station. I was a little saddened with the Lady who informed that she was going to write a book of her childhood but that there was very bad memories and then all the responses that brought. For me, I know I was so privileged to have been born at just the right time and have a boyhood that one could not even dream of in the Rhodesia's, North and South. Southern Rhodesia there were a host of relatives and during school holidays would visit. What boy can say as an eleven year old on their grandparents farm in Southern Rhodesia being woken up at five in the morning by their gran. She would hand over to me a cup and saucer of piping hot tea and set in the rim of the saucer was a hard biscuit and five .22 long rounds for the gun kept behind the grandparents bedroom door. Taking the gun I would set off, followed by the Ridgeback and we would walk miles in the bundu. 08:00 was breakfast and I would ensure I'd be back in time otherwise... Grandpa would hold out his hand and I would place the rounds in it, If I had fired one he would hold out his other had and I would hand over a guinea fowl or a qualie. If I could not hand over anything then for each wasted round then the same number of days no hunting! By the way, my uncle who was five years older than me taught me to hunt and shoot and he could shoot guinea fowl on the wing with the .22 rifle.

Have rambled on a little but it is absolutely great to have stumbled across the GRN and like minded folk. I often tell people that I am African and this can get the desired reaction but when explaining that I am 3rd generation a sort of understanding is achieved.

Once again, many thanks for the disk, chat to you soon,

Kindest regards,

Bob Eglinton

Bob EglintonClick here to contact me
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 04:32:18 (UTC)


Sorry for the repetition of this posting, but it was the last one before January's board was archived.

To friends of the Marsh Family:

To those of you who know Sandra (Marsh) Hooper and her sister, Joy (Marsh) Alexander and their siblings, it is with a very heavy heart that I inform you of the passing of Joy's husband, Patrick. He died early this morning, the result of complications following triple bypass surgery.

To my second family, the Marshes, I cannot tell you how grieved I am. Pat was one of a kind, who would do anything for anyone. I grieve with you, and mourn the loss of Pat as though he were my own brother

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 03:22:15 (UTC)


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