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It is good to get in touch with friends - I traced Mark Mulder the other Mark in "Mark 2 Disco" from Muf! It is great being in touch with him but ................. the follwing report is what happened to his sister and her husband. I received an e-mail from Mark today, the funeral is tomorrow and I would really appreciate if everyone on the GNR could close their eyes for just one minute and think of Mark and his family in his hour of grief. Thankyou.
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> By Tsitsi Matope
> > THE Allanson couple, reported missing since January, was axed to death
and
> > the bodies were concealed in a metal box before being burnt to ashes,
> > allegedly by their domestic workers.
> >
> > Police have since arrested the female domestic worker aged 40, her son
19
> > and her nephew aged 21 at Mr and Mrs Hillary Kenneth Allanson's
> Marlborough
> > home where they were still staying after the murder and had moved into
the
> > main house.
> >
> > Hillary Allanson 52 and her husband Kenneth Allanson were reported
missing
> > for several weeks in the Press and their disappearance had remained a
> > mystery.
> >
> > Police homicide chief spokesman, Chief Superintendent Shepherd Maruta
> > yesterday described the murder as one of the classical murders of the
> decade
> > where all evidence had been cleaned out.
> >
> > He said after an intense interrogation, the two young men had confessed
to
> > having plotted with their female relative to get rid of their employers
> and
> > inherit their property since they had no known relatives in the country.
> >
> > "They led us where they buried their remains which only consisted of the
> > skulls and other bones," he said.
> >
> > Also recovered was a metal box where the two bodies were concealed and
> later
> > burnt with firewood and petrol the whole night.
> >
> > In the metal box, police detectives identified some strands of hair
which
> > surprisingly were not completely burnt out.
> >
> > The Allansons' are believed to have children based in the United States
> and
> > another distant relative who lives in the country.
> >
> > Chief Supt Maruta said investigations carried out so far have revealed
> that
> > on the Wednesday of January 8, Kenneth left his wife at home and went to
> > play golf.
> >
> > While he was away, their female domestic worker and her two accomplices
> > attacked Mrs Allanson with an axe on the head and killed her instantly.
> >
> > They dragged her body to an empty swimming pool and placed it in a two
> metre
> > metal box.
> >
> > At around 8pm, Mr Allanson returned from playing golf and the female
> worker
> > allegedly opened the gate for him and walked him into the house.
> >
> > While they were still in the passageway, the two cousins came from
behind
> > and attacked him with an axe before dumping his body in the metal box
> where
> > they had placed his wife's body.
> >
> > "This was indeed a well-plotted murder case because according to the two
> > young suspects and from what we saw in the house, all the evidence
linking
> > the suspects to the crime had been wiped clean.
> >
> > "The lounge carpet which we believe was smeared with blood was burnt the
> > same night," Chief Supt Maruta said.
> >
> > After placing the bodies in a metal box, the three suspects placed the
> metal
> > box in a bonfire and placed some burning charcoal on top of the metal
box.
> >
> > The Allansons' had more than 30 litres of petrol reserved in their
garage,
> > which the trio took and poured onto the fire to burn the bodies to
ashes.
> >
> > The two male suspects indicated that they had buried the ashes and other
> > remains in a bush where they were recovered on Thursday.
> >
> > Chief Supt Maruta said at the time when the couple went missing, the
> workers
> > were interviewed by the police and were not suspected of any involvement
> in
> > the disappearance.
> >
> > "They had continued to stay in the house and they even had the nerve to
> move
> > into the main house," Chief Supt Maruta said.
> >
> > He said a team of nine detectives was set up to intelligently monitor
the
> > situation at the house and it came out that this month, the trio had
> relaxed
> > and thought the case was water under the bridge.
> >
> > "They started selling some household goods that belonged to the couple
> > obviously aware that they were not ever returning home."
> >
> > Household goods that included a television set, VCR, a motor boat,
> firearms,
> > clothes and other utensils had already been sold at the time of the
> arrest.
> >
> > Police approached the suspects on Thursday and arrested them after they
> had
> > failed to explain why they were selling the household goods.
> >
> > One detective who was in plain clothes had gone to the house during
> > investigations wanting to buy the lounge suite and was told by one of
the
> > suspects to return the following day with the deposit.
> >
> > "We are convinced this was a well-orchestrated gruesome murder whose
> motive
> > was to steal the property or even permanently stay at the couple's
> premises.
> >
> > "There were no bodies, there was no evidence that they were killed until
> > now," Chief Supt Maruta said.
> >
> > The female domestic worker who was shaking and could hardly stand on her
> > feet yesterday professed ignorance about the murder.
> >
> > "I arrived at home that evening and found the boys burning the bodies, I
> was
> > not involved in the murder," she stammered.
> >
> > "I saw smoke and smelt something was being burnt. Vana vakandiparira
> zvimwe
> > ava kupisa varungu (The boys did a terrible thing by burning the
whites),"
> > the woman said before she was constrained to say more by her defence
> > counsel.
> >
> > According to the police, the woman could not explain why they were
selling
> > the couple's property if she knew nothing about the murder.
> >
> > "If they had taken over the house to protect it from the thieves, why
were
> > they selling the household property?" Chief Supt Maruta queried.
> >
> > Last year, several white elderly couples were killed while others were
> > maimed by armed robbers especially in the Avondale suburb.
> >
> > The Phelps brother and sister were strangled to death at their Avondale
> home
> > after some armed robbers broke into their house at night.
> >
> > It is suspected their gardener who came once a month was also involved
in
> > the murder.
> >
> > None of the suspects were arrested.
> >
> > Another elderly man in his late 70's was attacked and killed by his
> gardener
> > and his son at his Mazowe Mansions flat in October last year.
> >
> > The gardener was arrested after his son was seen by neighbours loading
> part
> > of the dead man's property onto his vehicle.
> >
>
Gill Main — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, March 31, 2003 at 19:50:45 (UTC)
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John Berry
Yes - I remember the Polish memorial at Bwana Mkubwa. I used to read the electricity meters for the bulk users for Ndola Municipality and I had to go to the prison and then work my way back through the bush to read a drilling company meter somewhere close to the memorial. It seemed to be pretty robust so I would guess it is still there but probably overgrown.
Tony Austin — Click here to contact me
Houston, Texas, United States
Monday, March 31, 2003 at 18:32:52 (UTC)
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Doug:
Thanks for your reply about Jan Plankman. The discussions on this list have prompted me to start writing down some of the stories of people and things that happened while we were in Kitwe.
I probably won't post many of the personal anecdotes (if any) on tne list - you never know who may take umbrage, but I may mention some of the names of people and events as I go along, to see if there is any interest out there, or if anyone has other stories to add, and also to see if anyone can correct facts that I am unsure about. The horrible thing is that so many of the people we knew on the Copperbelt are dead
Some of the topics I have already started to write about are:
Events: Exploding of 160 tons of TNT after a railway derailment east of Kitwe in about 1969.
Finding of a large piece of NASA rocket west of Kitwe, 1970.
Earthquake in Kitwem, ca, 1968.
Gil Perrin and how he "showed the Anglophones how to mine" at Bwana, and practically blew the mine to pieces.
People: Father Lambert; Norman Arnold; Meg Fanshawe; Rob and Shelly Davis; Pete and Terry Freeman; Libero Zappia; Dave and Kathleen Hardie and Sir James Hardie; Mike Mkandawire; Maura and John Winchester; Wilson Mundusu; Father Ralph (of course!); Derek Dutton, the "Man from the Pru". Archie _____, in the personnel office at AAC.
Places: Kansanshi; Bwana Mkubwa and the Ndola Lime works; Dag Hammarskjold crash site; the Italian Club, Kitwe; Mkushi; Emerald Mines west of Kitwe.
Things in general: anthills used as bread ovens in the bush; the long, horrible wet of 1970; emeralds in the ore at Mkushi; steam-powered drilling rigs; Congolese bandit camp off the Chibuluma road. Exploration by pitting and crosscutting.
Question: does anyone remember the commemorative marker to the pilots of the Free Polish Air Foerce at Bwana Mkubwa, and does anyone know if it is still there?
Another question: does anyone know the correct story behind the group of Polish teenagers who were "grubstaked" by the British government in Zambia at the end of WWII? They were apparently the survivors of a large group of Poles who were captured by the Russians when they split Poland between themselves and the Nazis. These people were put in cattle cars and shuttled around Russia for a year or two until just about all but a couple of hubndred teenagers were dead, when they were released to the British in Persia, from where they were taken to Durban, and then encouraged to go to Northern Rhodesia. We knew one of them - a lady doctor(?) whose last name was Komar, I think.
John Berry — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, March 31, 2003 at 18:00:20 (UTC)
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Morning Campers,
This caught my eye and I thought I would share it with you
supposedly from a young man at high school to his beu.
To Mary, the love of my life -- There is nothing I would not do to reach your side. I would climb the highest mountain! I would cross the trackless desert! I would swim the widest ocean to be near you,my beloved.
With love and tenderness, Jonathan.
P.S. See you Saturday night, if it doesn't rain.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, March 31, 2003 at 06:27:44 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added a new feature to the Northern Rhodesia Journal: there is now a complete (bar 2 pages) index to the Journals along with a new way of accessing them. This will help users to research specific interests. The index was kindly contributed by Caroline Goetzee. There are only two Journals from my collection yet to be scanned and I will endeavour to have them up before Easter.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 20:15:15 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume V- No. 1 - 1962
Kafue-Namwala in 1912 - Part 1
Trading on the Luapula in 1900-4
Aspects of the Ushi Iron Industry
The Cape to Cairo Telegraph
Bangweulu and the Surrounding Mainland in the 1920s
Notes on Some Sites in Soli History
Report on a Journey made by Captain R Bright through North-Eastern Rhodesia in 1903
The Tanganyika Pirate
Notes: Destruction of Mail Bags by Lions / Early Days of the Veterinary Department / Bees in the 1914-18 War / Marion and Hope Gamwell / E H Lane Poole / New Contributors to this Number / Kaunga (Khaunga) - Abandoned Boma and Police Post / First European Children
Lusaka Natural History Club
Correspondence: Origin of the Name Gwembe / Josselin de Jong and the Rubber Scheme / Spray Over the Falls Bridge / The Whale Headed Stork / Tax Stamps / Pioneer Traders and Farmers of Abercorn / The Goddard Brothers and Elephant
Book Reviews
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 18:54:34 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Recently I posted what has been for me the most important historical event in the history of the Great North Road website. I posted it in French for the ex-pats out of the old Belgian Congo. But I have not yet posted it in Flemish/Dutch for the sake of the Flemish-speaking Belgians who were also involved in those historical events at the time of the Congo independence. I am so doing now. Being that this is the end of the month, I will repost this again next month. And both the French and the Flemish/Dutch versions will be posted permananently on a separate page as soon as Craig gets this task done.
N O R T H E R N E R S!
In 1995 ben ik begonnen met het maken van de Great North Road website, alvorens ik het op het wereld wijd zette op 28 april, 1996 wilde ik proberen om mijn landgenoten te vinden die van de wereld verdwenen leken te zijn omdat na 24 oktober, 1964 zij uitgezworven zijn over de hele wereld.
Veel gedachten gingen door mijn hoofd gedurende het maken van de website, van de vroege dagen in de 1950s tot de meer
recente dagen in de 1960s. Toen ik bezig was met het maken van de site vroeg ik me af wat de Afrikaanse buurlanden hadden gedaan op het gebied van websites. Ik had gezien wat de Rhodesiën-Zimbabwean en Zuid-Afrikanen ex landgenoten hadden gedaan, maar wat met Nyasaland-Malawi, Tanganikya-Tanzanië, Kenia, Uganda, Mozambiek, Angola, en natuurlijk in onze eigen achtertuin het machtige Congo?
Voor veel Noord-Rhodesiën, zijn de gebeurtenissen na 30 juni, 1960 voor altijd in onze gedachten en zijn een deel geworden van ons Afrikaan zijn. Veel van ons namen de Belgen die vluchte over onze grenzen in huis en helpen hen waar mogelijk.
Wat is er met deze mensen gebeurt nadat ze ons verlieten om in België een nieuw leven te beginnen of ergens in de wereld? Sommige van ons hebben ongetwijfeld nog contact, maar de meeste van ons hebben het contact met deze mensen verloren.
Voor mij is het een droom deze mensen te kunnen vinden met websites zoals onze, Great North Road. Door de jaren heen zocht ik op het web gebruik makend van mijn franse kennis en de door mij bekende frases om websites te vinden die gelijkenis met die van ons vertoonde maar die dan bestemd was voor de Belgische ex landgenoten van het oude Congo.
Met genoegen kan ik nu meedelen dat ik in de laatste paar weken erin geslaagd ben de websites te vinden waar ik naar op zoek was en heb contact gelegd met de eigenaars van deze sites en heb de vriendschap die eens weer hersteld na al deze jaren en deze afschuwelijke dagen in 1960.
Het is opmerkelijk hoe deze sites overeenkomen met de Great North Road. Dezelfde soort herineringen dezelfde levensstijl en het image van de oude fotos van het leven in Afrika lopen opmerkelijk paralel met dat van ons! Er zijn verschillende sites, en ik heb Craig gevraagd om ze toe voegen aan de "links" bladzijde. Er zijn sites voor mensen die woonden in Elisabethville, Jadotville, Kolwezi, en andere dorpen en steden in de Congo.
Wanneer je naar de website van Elisabethville-Lubumbashi (http://membres.lycos.fr/lubumbashi) en klik op of een van de wapperende vlag ikonen (engels of frans), kom je op de site. Er is een "links" bladzijde als u in de site bent die je naar andere Belgische ex landgenoten Congo sites brengt.
We zijn niet alleen!
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 12:15:20 (UTC)
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Chris I did not know it was running what price was it this time? if you get any thing good please send it to me direct
on a friday night if possible, regards to Lisa Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 08:12:51 (UTC)
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Johnny, Arthur, John hope you all made a bit on the horse I tipped to win the July that won the Dubai Duty free tonight. Ipi Tombe the Zimbabwean bred (where her owner Peter Moor had to vacate his farm and move her sire to South Africa) won in a canter despite not having the best passage. She earned $1.25 m not bad for a filly that was sold for Z$ 20,000 after changing hands (a 75% share) for $750,000. Her next aim is the Arlington Million and I think her opponents will see her tail again.
Chris Swart — Click here to contact me
Kitwe, Zambia
Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 18:10:34 (UTC)
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Doug and Chisanga,
Better hokoyo - you are flirting with ex communication here! Discussions on political and economic matters are severely frowned on. Best you continue the discussion on the Detour.
Chris Tamm — Click here to contact me
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 17:59:40 (UTC)
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Arthur
Sorry I have just returned from Mozambique - my e-mail address is 1) emills@srk.co.za or 2) tedmills@mighty.co.za I can pick up mail from anywhere in the world using (2)
Ted Mills — Click here to contact me
Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 15:53:06 (UTC)
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Chisanga
Thanks for the illuminating reply. So Zambia's economy was ahead of South Korea's at one stage. Amazing!
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years in Southern Africa. Zambia is slowly rising from the ashes. Mugabe's exit is only a matter of time. Mozambique is already South Africa biggest trading partner in Africa.
If a Union of Southern Africa States can be organized to include all the Southern and East African including Angola, Congo through to Kenya it will have the potential to become a superpower, with all the mineral wealth and agricultural potential.
Always something new out of Africa!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 14:53:44 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
As this month ends, the Congo Information Letter I posted will be put up as a separate page on the Great North Road website. There will be both French and Flemish versions to cater to all the Belgian ex-pats who passed through Northern Rhodesia during the Congolese post-independence troubles. The Belgian ex-pat sites have linked to our site, and contact with them has been established.
For those among the membership who are interested, here is an excellent BBC site recounting the history of southern africa.
Vriendelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 11:46:03 (UTC)
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MUFULIRA RE UNION
For those of you who want to attend the Muf re union but do not want to stay at the Village hotel, I have looked out a number of other establishments within staggering distance of the event.
Staff of Life Hotel
Manchester Road, Bury BL9 9HJ. 1 mile
Tel: 0161-764 6246 Two, Three or Four bed rms £15 per person
The Old White Lion Hotel
6 Bolton Street, Bury BL9 0LQ. 0.6mile Tel: 0161-764 2641 Single £20
Twin £36
Moto Travelodge
Birch Service Area, M62 3miles Tel: 0161 643 0911 £21.50 per person
Waterloo Hotel
155 Manchester Rd, Bury, BL9 0TD. 0.8mile Tel: 0161-764 5864 Single £25
Dble £45
Castle Guest House
7 Wellington St, Bury, BL8 2AL 1.1mile Tel: 0161-797 3396 Single £20
Dble £40
Rostrevor Hotel
146 Manchester Rd, Bury BL9 0TL. 0.9mile Tel: 0161-764 3944 Single £46
Dble £63
Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 07:01:48 (UTC)
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Doug,
You ask a very interesting question. How would Zambia have developed had Mr. Kaunda not been seduced by socialist doctrine and had Mr. Smith had the good sense to work with moderate "Africans" in Zimbabwe and not declared UDI?
In fairness Mr. Kaunda limited himself to socialism and never publicly advocated communism. Still, his intent to introduce "scientific socialism" was real and he only abandoned the idea after considerable opposition from the church and certain sections of his own government.
The UNIP government's love affair with the destructive socialist policies started in the early 1970s after the country had been declared a one party state.
A few years earlier, Zambia had the second largest economy in GDP per capita terms on the African continent. The Zambian economy was larger than the South Korean economy and literacy levels were rising faster than any part of the world except Tanzania.
The introduction of the one party socialist state removed competition from the parastatal sector and discouraged investment in the private sector, as would be expected after Mr. Kaunda publicly declared that there was no future in private business.
The departure of foreign capital from Zambia is well documented. What is not so well known is that Zambia had a healthy and wealthy class of indigenous entrepreneurs whose numbers had grown steadily between the late 1940s and the early 1970s. Prior to independence, the group was represented mostly by the Northern Rhodesia Traders Association which was chaired by my late father, Robinson.
These business people had the organisation and capital to expand into large collaborative ventures and in due course would have had a significant stakes in the most sophisticated and lucrative sectors of the national economy. The dreams of the Zambian entrepreneurs were never realised because, as Mr. Kaunda made clear, there was no future in the private sector. The decision by the government to actively discourage private businesses in effect undermined the most reliable source of investment in any country---private citizens.
The hope on the part of the government was that state companies could more than fill the void left by the private sector. With a few exceptions, state companies rarely performed well. The one party state which had killed competition not just in the political arena but also in the economic sphere, soon led to appointments in the parastatals being based on political loyalty rather than competence. The rest is history.
As for Mr. Ian Smith, his rebellion certainly cost Zambia a great deal of money. Between 1965 when the rebellion started and 1980 when it ended, the direct cash cost to Zambia of responding to UDI was at least $1 billion. You can imagine what that amount of money would have done to Zambia's health and education infrastructure. There were, of course, indirect costs resulting from the loss of highly skilled nationals who found the geopolitics uncomfortable and left the region.
So, to answer your question, without UDI and Mr. Kaunda's socialist flights of fancy Zambia would at the very least be a high middle income country today. It would be as large an economy as Brazil but without the gross inequities of that country.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe — Click here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Friday, March 28, 2003 at 22:11:04 (UTC)
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To everyone who sent me birthday wishes ........ THANK YOU HEAPS!! You all put a smile on my dial.
Mo xoxoxoxoxo
Moira Steevens — Click here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Friday, March 28, 2003 at 12:31:33 (UTC)
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The answer was: "Kyle Dam" (or Lake Mutirikwe if you prefer)...for March 15th unspoken quiz.
No winners
Robert Allan — Click here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Friday, March 28, 2003 at 04:57:01 (UTC)
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A Point To Ponder.
When blondes have more fun do they know it?
Johnny. _______________________
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 21:36:21 (UTC)
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John,
When you mentioned the polystyrene plant I realised that I also knew Jan Plankman. He was associated with a building company (who name I forget) where I worked for a few months. They were also into some interesting products such as a foaming agent for precast concrete that would fill it with bubbles and make it extremely light weight.
I also remember Jan as a very noisy, enthusiastic guy, but my aquaintance was short and I have no idea what happened to him.
I often wonder if there had been no communist type economic reforms in Zambia and if the Rhodesian story could have been peacefully resolved how far advanced would Zambia be today? There were many people with good ideas and entreprenurial skills like Jan, who would have made a big contribution.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 17:31:47 (UTC)
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LIVINGSTONE LARK
I have been corresponding with Fiona Robertson, a member of the GNR who is a travel agent in the UK. She has given me some information about flights on British Airways which fly direct from Heathrow to Lusaka. The normal cost is £651.40 (including taxes) but she can to it for about £60 less for a group of 10 or more. Also on a group balance of payment only needs to be made 10 weeks before departure. Fiona an be contacted at York Travel on telephone number 01904 479415 or through the names directory.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 13:06:37 (UTC)
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Gordon:
What years were you in Nevada? Jan Plankman was an amazing character: he oversaw the beer deliveries from his drafting table on the third floor of the building, yelling down his order through the window in front of him.
The last time I saw him was in his Zambia Poly Products plant, a very Heath Robinson looking affair if ever I saw one, with pipes going everywhere. He was all excited, flicking his fingers and exclaiming "Gott Verdorrje, Man" in the way only he could, about building two 40-foot polystyrene boats for Lake Tanganyika, and building bridges for the Great North Road out of polystyrene. I'd love to know whether those projects ever happened and how they turned out. He swore he could make poly stronger than anyone else, and stronger than steel, weight for weight!
I heard that Jan went to Venezuela, but that was third or fourth hand. Does anyone know? And does anyone remember his wife, Theresa, who died after a very short illness (pneumonia?) in about '70? She was a very quiet and calm lady, the perfect foil for Jannie.
I still have a banjo ukelele that Jannie gave us - never have learned to play it!
Another real character was Jan Combrinck, who preceded Plankman as our draughtsman, and went on to the Geology Dept. at Rokana.
John
John Berry — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 23:35:53 (UTC)
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John Berry,
We may have crossed paths in Nevada in early 1980. I worked for Homestake Mining Co on gold exploration in central and northern Nv. I was based in Reno for a while. It's possible we crossed paths at the Pigalle in Kitwe or even in Winnemucca, but never in the presences of ladies of the darkness. Jan Plankman was also an aquantence of mine who being an ex draftsmen, used to go partying with the crowd when he owned the Zambian Polystyrene Plant in Kitwe. Does anyone know what happened to him?
cheers Gordon
Gordon Garlick — Click here to contact me
Aberdeen, New Jersey, United States
Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 22:37:37 (UTC)
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Maureen,
Cheer up. The two friends you have contacted are alive and kicking; well I can vouch for one! I think that because we all had such wonderful lives we sometimes need to keep reminding ourselves how lucky we are. We're all scattered all over the world and getting a message from someone we thought never to see nor hear from again is exciting. I am in touch with a few 'old' friends here in Perth and it's great to swap photos and stories. Our Aussie friends sometimes really don't (I think) believe the lives we have been privileged to lead. We just don't have as much time together as we'd like. Our husbands can't believe how much we have to say each time we meet!
Keep in touch, Maureen,
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 04:45:39 (UTC)
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Helen:
We, too, have a Batu - a hut on tall stilts over a hot blue river. I believe that he became quite well-known in Europe in the ?mid-70s, went to Paris, the lot. Heather, do you know if this is the case? I think I also remember the mission art school in Zaire where he and a lot of other Zairois artists learned to paint being written up, probably in the New York times or the Washington Post around 1980.
S'il y ont des ex-Zairois qui lisent ce liste, peut-etre ils connaissent plusieurs detailles des artistes Zairois et leur "training". (Je m'excuse, mais il est difficile a user les accents sur mon ordinateur, et aussi mon francais est execrable!).
John Berry
John Berry — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 04:26:08 (UTC)
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Heather
When I was in Ndola there was a guy who came around selling his oil paintings . I have three on my walls, his name was Batu (at least that is what he signed on the paintings). Is he still around? I know he used to travel between Lusaka and the copperbelt. I would love to buy some of his paintings for my family, they love the one of the flamboyant over the village. Is he one of your contributing artists? Looking forward to seeing your new site.
Helen Chileshe (née Derham) — Click here to contact me
New Zealand
Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 03:05:14 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume IV - No. 6- 1961
The History of Abercorn
Northern Rhodesian Mammals
Cattle Buying on the Kafue, 1903
The Kelsey Expedition, 1913-14 - Cape to Cairo
A Quarrel at Lake Mweru 1896-7
The Breeding of the Whale-Headed Stork or Shoe-bill in Northern Rhodesia
An African Elephant Hunt
Eric Clough Tells a Few Yarns
The Kuomboka Ceremony During Yeta III's Reign
Old Mkushi in 1912 - Part II
Lusaka Natural History Club
Notes: First Records No.16 - The First Race Meeting / The Shores of Lake Tanganyika / Arthur Harrington of Senanga / Livingstone 1912 / The Goddard Brothers and Elephant / New Contributors to this Number / Colonel E M Wilson / G D B Williams / Some Early Mail Runner Services / Memories of Abandoned Bomas: No. 13b Chimbusi / Lions and Men / Sunken Lakes in the Ndola District: Errata /
Correspondence: More about Fundu / Rabinek: The Rubber King / Traction Engine at the Sable Mine
Book Reviews
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 22:52:15 (UTC)
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Hi, I have only posted one(maybe two) message(s)but often scroll through the message board. It led me to wander why trying to go back to "the old days" holds such fascination.
I'm talking about myself specifically. I am really hoping that just one time I will recognize a name of someone I went to School with.
I remember some time back someone (a woman) wrote that one must be careful of not looking back at the past too deeply.
How true. Each time I leave the site, not having come across any one I knew, I feel "down".
Does anyone have "Rhokana Reviews" from the period 1958 - 1965?
just to mention that I did succeed in contacting two persons from my Kitwe days. Also assisted someone in getting in touch with my cousin who went to school with this person.
One last thing, last time I am trying - Does anyone know of the whereabout of Liz Paterson (new van Schalkwyk) She has a sister Antoinette and two brothers.
Good luck.
Maureen Harrison.
Maureen Harrison (née Steyn) — Click here to contact me
Cape Town, Cape Province, South Africa
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 21:36:23 (UTC)
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Hi Northerners:
Linda is much quicker on the uptake than I am. I have spent the morning going through one-half of one month of the archive, trying to see if I knew anyone who posted. I will NEVER get through all of this site! It was really neat to meet Linda at the Alexandra Fuller booksigning: there was also an ex-Chingola person there, but I stupidly didn't get his name.
Ms Fuller is a fabulous speaker, and the main excerpt that she read from her book was incredibly funny and so darned "Zambia" that I was shaking with laughter through it all. What is amazing though is that she was born the year that we took our first long leave - nothing mucgh seemed to have changed in the next 18 years!
I stayed up til 2 a.m. and read the book all the way through: large parts are very sad and heart-rending - mainly the Zimbabwe parts. They resonate with me as our health experiences in Zambia were not good.
In fact, anyone who does remember us will be sorry to learn that Arlene died in 1985 from a brain tumour - she had been unwell almost from the time we left, but the tumor was not diagnosed until 1977, by which time there was nothing anyone could do. She bore it all very bravely, but in a sense I died with her. I have remarried and have a wonderful wife and two children, but it's a different me - not the old, carefree, devil-may-care-drive-home-at-4-a.m.-too-drunk-to-see, tear-through-the-bush-at-45-mph-with-ten-people-in-the-back Zambian one.
Linda mentioned Father Ralph and someone took her up on it - I, too would love to find him, if he's still alive. Anyone who was in Kitwe from 1966 to 1972 and frequented the Italian Club ("Sporting Club of Nkana") on Kantanta St. will remember my wife, Arlene, who would sing all night with Father Ralph every time he was in town. I have so many Father Ralph and Sister Joan stories.
David and Janet Thorn, both pilots who flew all over central Africa from early 60s on (with ZA, the FDS, etc.), are our close neighbors here in Austin. Ingrid will tell Janet about this list today.
Another strange Kitwe connection happened when I was doing gold exploration in northern Nevada in the early 1980s. When we went to Kitwe in 1966 the Zambian Anglo Mine Services exploration offices were in the "Total" building on Coronation Square over the Pigalle Bar. Our draftsman, Jan Plankman, eventually bought the bar from Madam "Fufu", the Belgian Congo lady who owned it, and shut down the high-class brothel that she had run on the 1st floor - a garish place done up in purple paint and glitter.
In Winnemucca, Nevada, there was a "boys' town" of these establishments behind our warehouse. One of them became celebrated when the US Federal Government tried (about 1984) to deport a certain Madame Fufu _____ back to Zaire on the grounds that she was contravening Federal Law by engaging in her immoral business. The State of Nevada did not take to this kindly, since what she was doing was perfectly legal there. The case went to the high courts, and it is my recollection that the State won, and for all I know she is still there running "the best li'l whorehouse in Nevada!. I never had the guts to go ring on the doorbell and ask if she was the very same "Fufu of the Kitwe Pigalle." Sometimes wish I had!
I'm still in touch with Neb Jere, now living in Ireland, and with Neb's ex-wife Annette (Wong) Mossberg, who lives in Lund, Sweden. She and her husband work for a Swedish aid agency, doing things like building houses for refugees in the middle of the Bosnian conflict. Neb and Annette's daughter graduated from Williams College summa cum laude, and has embarked on a stellar career, I think as a lawyer. I'm also in contact with Stan Korowski, NCCM mineralogist, now in Winnipeg, and with Bob Haldane, ZAMS Chief Geologist, now in ZA, as well as with Dyk and Nel Klusman: none of these are on the list.
I'll try to post some photos to the list: I have many good ones, but unfortunately they are almost all 35 mm slides, and my scanner realy doesn't do a great job on these. It's also many years since I looked at them - my kids are "Super-Yanks" and don't want to know.
Here's to you all
John
John Berry — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 20:20:40 (UTC)
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Northerners Travelling to Zambia
Someone wanted to know if credit cards were accepted in Zambia. The answer is in the affirmative. The secondary question was, "Which ones?" I have certainly used Master Card and American Express. A number of establishments in Lusaka also accept Diners Club and Visa.
Residents of Ndola in the eighties may remember the Maharaja Restaurant run by Daniel Newton and his lovely wife Panzi. Daniel and Panzi are back in Zambia, this time in Lusaka where the run a high quality Indian/Chinese restaurant. They are always happy to see old friends from Ndola.
The new restaurant is opposite the main bank by the Longacres roundabout.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe — Click here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 19:19:03 (UTC)
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To my OLD mate MO.
Have a great birthday honey. How does it feel to be 24 againnnnnnnnnnn.
Your still older than me.
Have a great time
Love
Des.
Des Kenny (formerly Crouch) — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 18:28:18 (UTC)
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Dear Linda,
The mention of Father Ralph's name brought a smile to my face! He, in his wisdom, he forgot to sign my wedding certificate and four children, many years later, on trying to obtain a British Passport I was informed that I was not legally married. Cheers - I always wanted to be single again. By this time he had long departed the Copperbelt and we eventually traced him (through the Vatican no less) to Mexico, where he very kindly obliged and signed the document. I wonder where he is now.
Hope life is treating you well -
Regards,
Maz Martin
Marianne Martin (née Griffiths) — Click here to contact me
Timperley, Cheshire, England
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 14:55:16 (UTC)
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Dave Cooper
We don't remember a Dr. Perry in Ndola. We did, however, have at the time of the Congo crisis, a Dr. Barry. Is it possible that the names are inverted, i.e. that the Ndola doctor was Barry and the Bulawayo family Perry?
Big Tree
I'm happy to report the Big Tree was alive and well at the time of my visit in Sept 2002, and, I seem to recall, fenced. I was disappointed to see a bit of termite activity around the base, but as the tree now sits plum in the middle of the Ndola Kitwe dual carriageway, the beasties probably present less of a threat than passing traffic.
Visiting Zambia
We planned our last trip in Sept, and as Heather says, didn't see a mossie the whole week we were there (Lusaka/Copperbelt). Repellants are definitely the answer. One other surprise. When we were outside the Ndola Municipal Offices, we chanced upon a fully kitted-out municipal workman, insecticide tank on his back, on his way to spray a site. He seemed taken aback when we we expressed surprise that spraying was still being undertaken. Proof that, at least some councils are trying to do what they can.
Geoff Paynter — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 13:24:40 (UTC)
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Mo Steevens
Many Happy Returns for your birthday today.
Have a good one!!
Carole
Carole Evans (née Bruce) — Click here to contact me
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 10:43:46 (UTC)
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Gill Kopy (née Bennett),
Your Grandfather, Fredrick Lewis Wood, is mentioned on Pg 23 of "The Story of the Northern Rhodesian Regiment" - edited by WV Brelsford, and first published by Galago Publishing Ltd in 1954. The passage reads:
"In 1910 H.R.H. the Duke of Connaught inspected the Barotse Native Police. He became Honorary Colonel-in-Chief of the force, and, it is said, he gave permission for the force to use the regimental march of the Royal Engineers "Wings". (That march was used until Bandmaster F.L. Wood composed "The Crested Crane" about 1931.)"
I'm sure you should be able to obtain a copy of this score.
Regards
CJC
Charles Cartmill — Click here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 09:52:10 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft
Thanks Heather, I somehow thought the flame lily early days was the flower. It is still a very sentimental flower for us.
Very envious of the members going back to Zambia for the reunion.
To those interested we stayed overnight in Kitwe at a place called Arabian Nights, this was two years ago, but at the time was really very good. I think there are two in Kitwe but the one we stayed at was near the Ek Park Cricket Club Nkana.
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 09:45:50 (UTC)
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FLIGHTS TO AND FROM ZAMBIA
There are a number of ways to get to and from Zambia:
FROM UK TO LUSAKA
British Airways. This is a direct flight out of Heathrow. Flight duration: approx. 10 hours. Flights leave London on Wednesdays and Saturdays, arriving the following day. Return flights are day flights, leaving here on Thursdays and Sundays, arriving in London around 17 hrs.
KLM. There are flights from London and Manchester to Amsterdam. This flight entails a stopover in Nairobi. If you take the day flight from Amsterdam, it will entail a night in Nairobi. The night flight out of Amsterdam connects with the Lusaka flight although the Lusaka flight is often delayed while it waits for the flight from Bombay to come in. I have flown this route many times and generally, the Nairobi/Lusaka sector is pretty empty.
FROM UK VIA JOHANNESBURG
If you are flying via Johannnesburg, I would suggest flying direct to Livingstone from Johannesburg. If you want to travel round the rest of the country, you can then fly out of Lusaka to Johannesburg. Airlines to use to Johannesburg would be British Airways, South African Airways, Air France or KLM. Flight duration between 10 and 12 hours.
From Johannesburg to Livingstone, the airline would be Nationwide. They have six return flights a week between Johannesburg and Livingstone. They also have two return flights a week between Johannesburg and Lusaka. They don't have much info on their web site (in fact they've got bugger all) but if you want to make bookings on their flights, let me know and I'll do them through the local office here. The latest advertised fare is US$ 228 return (Johannesburg/Livingstone)
From Johannesburg into and out of Lusaka, there are flights every day of the week, either on British Airways/Comair or South African Airways. And I think there might be another airline as well, but can't remember the name. But Lusaka/Johannesburg is well covered.
There are also direct flights between Johannesburg and Ndola if you want to return from Ndola.
FROM AUSTRALIA
Qantas and South African Airways have regular flights to Johannesburg from Perth.
FROM USA
South African Airways fly directly to Johannesburg from Atlanta and New York. I'm not sure which American airlines fly to Jo'burg
INTERNAL FLIGHTS
LUSAKA/LIVINGSTONE
There are internal flights between Lusaka and Livingstone on Zambian Airways. Current fare is US$ 185 return and flights are on Fridays and Sundays. Charter flights are also possible and I understand that it is possible to fly Nationwide between the two towns.
LUSAKA/COPPERBELT
Zambian Airways also fly between Lusaka Ndola. Monday - Friday there are two flights a day (morning and evening) and one flight a day on Saturdays and Sundays. Fare is US$ 185 return.
LUSAKA/LUANGWA
For those wishing to visit Luangwa, Zambian Airways fly to Mfuwe Fare US$ 285 return, flights on Wednesday, Friday, Sunday). Airwaves fly on Wednesday, Friday, Sunday. The latest advertised return fare Lusaka/Mfuwe is US$ 255 or US$ 180 if booked thirty days in advance.
TO DRIVE OR TO FLY??
I don't remember exactly when Jim Churchill was here, but I suspect it was before the rebuilding of the road between Zimba and Monze had been completed. As at today, the road conditions are as follows, using the World Bank classification of roads (good, fair, bad):
Livingstone - Zimba (approx. 70 kms): the odd pothole, but classified as fair
Zimba - Monze: good, having recently been rebuilt
Monze - Chilanga: good
Chilanga - Lusaka: this is still classifed as fair although a few potholes have formed with the heavy rain we have experienced over the last month. However, yesterday they were on the road fixing them.
Lusaka - Chisamba: good, but with the odd pothole between 50 and 70 km km from Lusaka
Chisamba - Kabwe: good
Kabwe - Kapiri: road is currently being rebuilt so there are some detours. In some places, the new road will have been opened.
Kapiri - Ndola/Kitwe/Chingola: good but don't use the Fisenge Bypass - that road is abysmal.
Kapiri - Mpika: good
Mpika northwards: still good although the road is subsiding in some places.
Mpika - Kasama: work is being undertaken on this road except it should be finished by September, but even with the work being done, the road is still in good condition.
Serenje - Mansa: good
Lusaka - Kafue Game Park: there is a bad stretch of approx. 60 km but work is being done on this road. I shall probably be going to Mongu next week, so will be able to give you a first hand account.
Kafue Hook Bridge - Mongu: fair to good from what I understand
Lusaka - Siavonga turnoff: fair to good
Siavonga turnoff to Siavonga: good, having just been rebuilt
Lusaka - Petauke: good
Petauke - Chipata: about 60 km is bad
The roads in the towns vary - some are good, some are horrendous, but generally the highly trafficed roads are good.
There are advantages and disadvantages to driving but I feel it is unfair to advise not to drive because of road conditions. The biggest disadvantage of driving is the police blocks, but I will give you some tips on how to deal with those (it's all in your attitude). And if you arrive in Lusaka by the Thursday, you can drive down in convoy with me that day. It's a very pleasant drive, takes about five hours, but you will see the Kafue River, the Munali Hills, Nakambala and all the little towns along the way. There are also a few pleasant places to stay enroute if you want to break your journey. The distance between Lusaka and Livingstone is only 493 km, so it is a pleasant easy drive.
WHERE ELSE TO GO IN ZAMBIA
Copperbelt
For those who will be visiting the Copperbelt, there are a number of guesthouses in Ndola, Kitwe and Chingola.
Lusaka/Chisamba
Lusaka is also adequately catered for with a wide range of accommodation available. There is also a very nice upmarket lodge in Chisamba as well as a few other guesthouses which are more than adequate.
Other places to visit are Luangwa, Kafue Game Park, Shiwa Ngandu, Siavonga, Lower Zambezi, Lake Tanganyika. More information on places to stay and things to visit coming in the next few days.
CAN YOU USE PLASTIC OUT HERE?
Yes, you can use plastic, although I'm not hundred percent sure which ones, although I think most are accepted. I shall contact the banks and come back to you in a few days. Most hotels accept credit cards.
MALARIA
Malaria is obviously a concern. This was part of the reason why I shifted the date from April to September, because there is less malaria around after the cold weather than there would be in April. However, it is possible to avoid it.
1. Check with your doctor regarding prophylactics and take them religiously. One word of caution here - when discussing with your doctor and should they prescribed Larium, please ask them about 'Larium induced psychosis'. This is a serious issue.
2. Mosquito repellent. Very important. There are a number of repellents available, but the best is still straight plain citronella oil (even though you smell of oranges, no mosquito comes anywhere near you). And make sure that you apply this at around 5.30 pm again, after you take a shower or bath and again before you go to bed. And make sure you apply it to any exposed part of your body.
3. Mosquito Nets. All hotels have mosquito nets. Use them.
4. Vape mats - these are very effective or if you are camping, then mosquito coils. Also very effective.
5. Air conditioning or electric fans (especially ceiling fans) are also very effective.
6. It doesn't do any harm to spray your room once a day either.
Using all or even some of these (definitely 1 and 2 above) will give you more than adequate protection. I have immunity to the malaria in the Lusaka area, but am at risk when I travel to other places (I do not take any prophylactics and neither do I sleep under a mosquito net). The only time I catch malaria is if I am slapgat about putting the repellent on.
CAR HIRE
Car hire bookings can be done online at Avis There are some other local car hire companies. Further info to follow in due course.
Barrie
Sorry you won't be able to make it. Perhaps next time.
Denise Horton
Zambia does not have a national flower. Prior to 1964, it was the flame lily. Shortly after 1964 the Mexican Marigold was suggested, but since it is not indigenous to Zambia, the suggestion was rejected.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 08:59:42 (UTC)
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Went to the reading/book signing tonight. Alexandra Fuller is fascinating. I gave her info about our site, so we might see her looking us up. Met up with John Berry and enjoyed a chat about Zambia.. the Italian Club in Kitwe and the Little Theatre were some of his stomping grounds. Guy Hobbs, are you out there? He was talking about you. Mentioned Father Ralph too. And we had a good laugh about the python that tried to strangle the TV mast in Kitwe. Remember that? Hopefully John will post some stuff himself. He was really interesting to talk to and it was lovely to spend some time with a person from Africa.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 04:49:41 (UTC)
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I'm wondering if anyone out there knows about records of the Northern Rhodesian Police from around 1930. My grandfather, Frederick Lewis Wood, was bandmaster from 1929 to 1933 and apparently wrote music for the band as well as some song-cycles. Unfortunately his music appears to be lost and we are wondering if there's any chance of ever finding it. Any suggestions of where to look would be appreciated ?
Gill Kopy (née Bennett) — Click here to contact me
Northern British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 04:33:10 (UTC)
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Barrie,
I'm very sorry to hear that. Good luck for the future.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, March 24, 2003 at 20:50:34 (UTC)
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Hi again,
Flight problems solved via a local travel agent. We can fly from Newcastle to Paris then onto Joburg with Air France, then from Joburg to Livingstone. Return £1484 for both of us. But alas We will not be coming. My transplant consultant has just advised me against coming to the Zambezi Valley area as my imune system is heavily supressed and the risks of catching many diseases is just too great to justify coming.
I feel quite "Gutted"
Regards Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Monday, March 24, 2003 at 14:29:35 (UTC)
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Muf Mining Disaster
I dont remember the disaster well as I was assuming an education at Wits at the time. What I do recall was what happened afterwards, namely the rehabilitation, though I was not part of it.
New shafts were mined above the flooded areas (now mostly dried out) and then a concrete plug inserted to close off.
Reclamation of the flooded shaft then began using water hoses to wash the mud away. Shovels etc. could not be used as there were still unrecovered bodies in the mud. As each one was discovered it was removed and the cap lamp battery number compared to records. As each cap lamp was booked out to a miner in exchange for his disc before going underground, the disc was matched to staff records and this was the only way of identifying the body. This system was used universally.
I saw some photos and was astounded. Pieces of railway line bent double, pipes crushed and mechanical loaders lifted off their tracks and flung against the hanging wall, all telling how powerful the force of the mud pouring into the mine. Those caught must have died instantly.
Owen Thomas — Click here to contact me
Henley on Klip, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, March 24, 2003 at 13:09:22 (UTC)
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Linda,
No, I hadn't tipped John off, but his membership has now been activated so perhaps now he will post here.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, March 24, 2003 at 02:14:58 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated
Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume III - No. 3 - 1957
Water Transport in the Bangweulu Swamps (1917)
Memories of Abandoned Bomas - No. 11: Old Ndola
Distribution and Significance of Canarium schweinfurthii
Alfred Sharpe's Travels in the Northern Province and Katanga
Kazembe's Charter
Attacks of Wild Animals on People
Memoirs of a "White Hunter"
Memories of the 1914-18 Campaign - Part III
Notes: Old-Timers - No.6 Hector Croad/ New Contributors to this Number/ Brelsford Fund/ Puzzle Picture/ Magoye in 1911/ The Sansia Falls
Correspondence: Little Known Water Falls/ Mweru Wa Ntipa and Mweru Marsh/ Day of Month of Discovery of Victoria Falls/ Bantu Name Difficulties/
Lusaka Natural History Club
Book Reviews
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I came across the following which may be of interest:
http://www.ecu.edu/african/sersas/Siegel400.htm
" Water Spirits and Mermaids: The Copperbelt Case" by Brian Siegel (Anthropology), Sociology Department, Furman University
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 22:45:58 (UTC)
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Okay Craig, you must have tipped off the guy from Kitwe, a.k.a. John Berry?? He! He! I never heard back from him after the first contact. Looking forward to reading Fuller's book. Everyone has raved about it.
Every time I look at the other parts of the GNR site, I find some little treasure that is new or that I overlooked before. Please take the time to look, Northerners. The message board is great, but there are many other facets to this site. Thanks again, the Fabulous Four, for all your hard work.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 20:52:32 (UTC)
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Quick Update,
I have just located Zambian Airlines on the net, I have emailed them and have had an auto reply saying He/She is out of the office at the moment but will contact me when they get back. According to their website they do fly from Heathrow to Lusaka and have connecting Flights to Livingstone, but in view of my previous message regarding Heathrow, I think that their website may be out of Date!!
I will keep you informed
Cheers Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 11:27:39 (UTC)
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Barrie,
Good luck with your plans. I hope they all work out for you despite the challenges.
As for the flights, Heather suggested flying London to Jo'burg first and thence to Livingstone, rather than London to Lusaka then Livingstone.
Linda,
Glad you liked that link. I wasn't sure if it had been posted before, but it wasn't on our links page. I noticed that Ian Singer contributed to compiling the information on that page.
As for the Fuller book not being listed on our site other than in the message board archives -- you are correct. The future of the GNR book shop is in doubt on the new site, as the amount of work required to keep it up-to-date is not currently justified by the money it pulls in -- about US$10 in over three years. Therefore I'm not doing any updates at the moment. However, I did read the book and it is excellent. Thanks to Heather for sending it to me as a present.
That Kitwe guy in Austin is about to be a new member. I was going to point him out to you, but he beat me to it.
Fiona,
Thanks for that link to the Opodo site. Looks like a good one to look into.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 11:26:22 (UTC)
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CRAIG, FIONA,
Thank you for the advice, using BA flight lists I have found suitable flights from Newcastle to Lusaka via Heathrow. But not from Lusaka to Livingstone. OPODO,S system does not recognise My destination ie,. Livingstone or its designation LVI. All of the airlines that I have tried under Zambia listings are coming up with "Page not available"!!! We had also considered driving from Lusaka to Livingstone but I have had an email from Jim Churchill advising against this because of the road conditions.
I telephoned Heathrow yesterday to find Zambian Airways, she had never heard of them!! on enquiring further she told me that they had not operated from Heathrow for many years. SO! Who flys from Lusaka to Livingstone? If we just turn up at Lusaka airport can we get a flight to Livingstone without booking? failing that, do the trains still run from Lusaka to Livingstone, and finally can any one who lives in or near Livingstone, please find out for me if there is still a railway service from Livingstone to Mulobezi??? It used to be operated by the Zambezi Saw Mills
out of Livingstone. My father used to work for them.
All of this may be of no avail, I have also just embarked on the medical trail, Vacinations drugs etc,. Having had a heart transplant my GP and my transplant consultant are not very keen on me coming to Africa, especially the Zambezi Valley which is "the worst place in the world for contacting malaria" the drugs for which, will effect my already struggling kidneys. But when I explained to them that it is the 50th anniversary of my fathers death and he is buried in Livingstone cemetary. They are trying to help although they disaprove.
I am sure we will get there in the end, We are already getting excited at the prospect of it all.Can you use "Plastic" out there?? ie,. American express etc,.
Bye Bye for now,
Regards to you all,
See ya soon Jimmy!!
Barribee
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 10:19:51 (UTC)
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MUFULIRA RE-UNION MAY 2003
As May is fast approaching I'd just like to remind people of the Mufulira re-union that is taking place on the 10th May, 2003 in The Village Hotel in Bury, Lancashire. Full details are on the "events" page of the GNR.
Please try of contact as many Muf people as you can to join the re-union as its so rare that we can get together like this and we are guaranteed a great time catching up with old friends, and reminising about old times in the best town on the Copperbelt!
Further info is availble from either Joyce Ritchie or Davina Craine - details of both on the events page. To book accomodation at the hotel in Bury you can deal with a Mr Chris Gambol, (0161 764 4444) quoting the ref CRAN020503.
Hope to see you all there.
Bridget
Bridget Billany — Click here to contact me
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 07:44:31 (UTC)
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"Do you know these people". We cannot recall Ann Maxwell although she could be connected to the Finlaysons? Re Vi Grant. Vi was married to Stasic Grajewski( spelling is suspect)and changed her Surname by Deed Poll - frustrated with problems between her Scots accent and having to spell her Polish surname. She was always a very smartly dressed lady.
Victor Dawson — Click here to contact me
Blockhouse Bay Auckland, New Zealand
Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 01:28:51 (UTC)
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Barrie
Sorry, I made a mistake with the opodo address. It should have been www.opodo.co.uk
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, March 22, 2003 at 17:53:53 (UTC)
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Craig:
What a great historical link you provided. Thanks! I have just been looking at all the different currency used in Northern Rhodesia/Zambia that is on one of the sub links. It has always amused me that the USA can only come up with boring green backs, and yet other countries have such colourful and interesting currency to look at.
Just wanted to clear up my last posting. Alexandra Fuller's book may not be listed on our books link on the GNR. I think I may have used the Amazon book pop up link to search for her name and that is what gave me the info about which book she wrote. Sorry about that. But a productive posting as I have been contacted by someone from Kitwe who lives in Austin too. Hopefully we will be meeting at the book signing.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, March 22, 2003 at 15:15:24 (UTC)
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Barrie
If you go to www.opodo.com you will be able to see or book a flight to Lusaka. The one I came up with was £684 from Heathrow on Kenya Airways from Heathrow via Nairobi, but flights also go via Schiphol (Amsterdam) and Nairobi from Manchester. That way you can see what's available and even if you don't want to book it online you can at least go armed with the information to Thomas Cook or some other travel agent. Give me a shout if you need help.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Saturday, March 22, 2003 at 13:23:21 (UTC)
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Barrie
I'm in the middle of putting my magazine together, but will respond with full info on Monday.
Briefly, there are scheduled flights from Johannesburg to Lusaka, Ndola and Livingstone. From Lusaka there are scheduled flights to Livingstone, Ndola, Mfuwe and Kasama (I think they're still operating).
From the UK, there is a direct flight from London (about a ten hour flight, day flight northbound and night flight southbound). KLM/Kenya Airways also fly here via Nairobi and Lusaka, night and day flights available. KLM often have cheaper rates than BA. The other alternative is to fly to Jo'burg and then north from there. It's about a two hour flight from Jo'burg to either Livingstone or Lusaka.
Des
If there are enough people, I can charter buses from Lusaka to Livingstone and then from Livingstone up to the Copperbelt. If everyone lets me know what they want to do, I will supply you with all the information and then you can decide. It is easy to organise it and I am willing to co-ordinate this side.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, March 22, 2003 at 06:42:26 (UTC)
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Northerners:
I am going to a book signing by Alexandra Fuller, author of "Don't Let's Go To The Dogs Tonight". She will be in Austin on Monday night. I have not read the book myself, but a number of you have said it is a great book. If I get even half a second to tell her about the GNR and that we have her book in our books link, I will do so. Perhaps I shall have to borrow a 2X4 from someone to push my way to the front..
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 22:50:36 (UTC)
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Barrie,
You're welcome. I can't answer your question about flights to Livingstone definitively, but I believe there are. I'll let Heather answer with some details. Last time I was at Jan Smuts (or whatever they call it now) in 2001 I saw several Zambian destinations on the board, but the only one that comes to mind right now is Ndola.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 21:14:04 (UTC)
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CRAIG,
Thank you for the information, are there scheduled flights from Joburg or Lusaka to Livingstone??? Who operates them???
Regards Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 20:29:37 (UTC)
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To anyone going to the Reunion in Livingstone, I am planning to fly into Lusaka and hire a car and drive to Livingstone. After the reunion I am planning to visit Kitwe and the rest of the Copperbelt, So does anyone want to share the car hire and the driving?.
I will be arriving in Lusaka on Thursday 25th September.
Heather has said that the drive to Livingstone is very pleasant.
Let me know.
Des Kenny (formerly Crouch) — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 13:49:21 (UTC)
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Hi to anyone from Lusaka or Salisbury
If you can remember me under the name of Eastcroft, Ronnie or Chapman then please contact me.
Look forward to anyone contacting me.
Ena
Ena Eastcroft — Click here to contact me
London, England, United Kingdom
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 13:14:06 (UTC)
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Barrie,
The direct British Airways flight to Jo'burg takes about 11 hours and to Lusaka a bit less than 10 hours. Indirect flights will, of course, take longer.
If you're just looking for rough ideas of travel time, you can look at the BA site -- you might not actually fly with them, but you can use their on-line schedule to get a rough idea of travel times. Most decent airlines have their own on-line schedules.
So that you don't have to type so much, you can use the airport designators when using the BA on-line schedule rather than full airport names. The designator for Heathrow is LHR, Jo'burg is JNB, and Lusaka is LUN.
Hope that helps.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 08:37:55 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
Please excuse my ignorance, but as one whose international travel experience is limited to a voyage to and from South Africa, over 50 years ago curtesy of Union Castle Line, RMS Arundel Castle, Can some one enlighten me as to the time taken to fly to either Joburg or Lusaka, form Heathrow??. I am trying to sort out flights for the Livingstone Lark, and frankly I am out of my depth. any advice will be greatly accepted.
Thank you in anticipation,
Barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 08:14:28 (UTC)
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Arthur:
Thanks for posting my Congo stamps - please ignore the pun.
I think I'd rather be an "ancien (former) habitant de Rhodesie du Nord" than a "zombie".
If I remember my French correctly, a preceeding "ancien" means "former", succeeding the noun meaning "ancient".
I have tried to send Nadine some Congo photos but her address is a hotmail one of limited capacity. Still trying.
Their website is really something. Try it everyone.
I'm just off to play "boules".
au revoir
Robert Allan — Click here to contact me
Melbourne, Australia
Friday, March 21, 2003 at 01:17:27 (UTC)
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I am posting the following on behalf of Tiger Glen, John Glens son.
Any of your mates on the GNR board interested in this video?
Title of item: ZAMBIA NORTHERN RHODESIA SAFARI VHS VIDEO PAL
Seller: monjon
Starts: 20-Mar-03 14:48:32 GMT
Ends: 27-Mar-03 14:48:32 GMT
Price: Starts at £0.99
To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3317599563
Item Description:
Home
A ZAMBIAN SAFARI
If you are a wildlife junkie, ex zambian, or northern rhodesian, you'll want to see this. Great reminders of a once great country and plenty of wildlife.
This VHS video is in Mint condition, played less than 3 times and well kept.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 18:01:54 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
To all those who are expressing best wishes to our Belgian cousins who lived and experienced the African Dream all those years ago, and who still remember fondly the life in Africa, thank you very much!
It is long overdue that we reconnect the bonds from across our frontier of Northern Rhodesia/Zambia and Congo!
Thank you to all who have been so kind about the importance of these links in our history. Your consideration is taken most graciously.
Tot kijk...
Groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 11:08:12 (UTC)
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Sue Moffat
Happy Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 06:58:49 (UTC)
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Avec les bons voeux de Robert et Karen Allan, anciens habitants de Rhodesie du Nord (Zambie).
Voyez le Greatnorthroad site.
Robert Allan
Melbourne
Australie
Anciens Northerners ! Anciens habitants de Belgish Congo ! Décrépit fondeur Dawid
Pete Dielissen tracked down the British Pathe website some time ago which has free to view clips of refugees entering Northern Rhodesia during the Congo Crisis in 1960 and lots of other free and interesting clips from the 50's and 60's. Longer films are available to purchase on line if you so desire.
Dawie - I'm not sure of what anciens means, but I presume maybe Ancient or Old, so I hope you noticed I did not use that term for you.
Jeune sarcastique Arthur.
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 23:31:13 (UTC)
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Dave,
I know that it has long been one of your goals for the GNR to make contact with people north of NR/Zambia as opposed to all of the established contact with those from the south. I'm happy that, after all these years since the birth of the GNR in 1996, you have finally attained that goal.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 23:16:43 (UTC)
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Dave Cooper
re: Belgian Congo Links
I had a number of memorable trips to Jadotville in the late 1950s with the Mufulira Soccer Club.
The hospitality from the local Belgians was outstanding & a certain Mr Glautier in particular, always made our stay very enjoyable with his superb organising skills.
Since my French she is not so hot, I would appreciate it if you could help to track down anyone who knew him.
I have an original program of events drawn up by him that I can scan & forward to any interested persons on the Congo link.
Thanks for all your efforts on the GNR.
Best Regards
Bill Hunt — Click here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 21:42:50 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S !
I have a message from one of the Belgian refugees who would like to post the following message on the GNR:
" In 1960, we fled from Congo. Doctor Perry and his family welcomed us in Ndola, and the family Barry welcomed us in Bulawayo. Forty years later, I am still very touched by the memory of the warm welcome. Big thank you.
Myriam Dormal"
If anyone would like to get a hold of Myriam, particularily Doctor Perry and his family (formerly of Ndola), please contact me.
I am happy that Belgians are seeing this connection that Nadine and I have made, and are happy about this. It touches my heart greatly, as I regard it as the SECOND greatest thing to happen on the Great North Road. The greatest thing to happen on the Great North Road, was, of course, its creation.
Tot kijk...
Groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 21:15:00 (UTC)
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Dear Sue Steyn,
Who was MARIAN?
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Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 14:06:16 (UTC)
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Recent Site Updates:
March 19th, 2003:- Added several new links to the Links page which will be of interest to many people. There are five links to the sites of expats of the Belgian Congo with whom Dave Cooper finally made contact recently, as well as a link to the site for a new book titled "They Served Africa with Wings: 60 Years of Aviation in Central Africa".
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 09:23:37 (UTC)
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Looking for `old girls' of the Good Shepherd Home in Durban...also known as Mount Marian
Sue Steyn (née Craig, formerly Baker) — Click here to contact me
Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 07:24:17 (UTC)
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Barbro
Thanks for your email - I have been trying to reply but the email comes back all the time. I will write physically.
Love to all, Esther
Esther Pettersson — Click here to contact me
Australia
Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 21:10:31 (UTC)
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I have a personal connection to the September 1970 Mufulira disaster. I worked in the early months of 1970 for Cementation Ltd. who were sinking the Petersen incline shafts deeper.
I soon got fed up with it and resigned and my job was taken over by a German chap. He got killed in the disaster. I should think at that time of the night he was probably sitting next to the winch at the top of P shaft having a cup of coffee and must have heard the disaster coming.
Norman's posting about an earlier disaster occuring in the same place supports my position that the disaster should have been foreseen. It was several days from when the sinkhole started leaking into the 1400 level before it finally mudrushed and collapsed. However in those days production took precedence over all else, and it would have taken a very brave GM to close down the mine untill safety was assured.
The size of the sinkhole was incredible. Photo's or even visual observation could not do it justice. It was just to big, something like Kariba, which only comes into proportion when you see a 7 ton truck looking like a dinky toy next to the dam.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 18:16:09 (UTC)
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Heather,
Make sure the Lion is cold and the wors hot.
See you in september.
Des Kenny (formerly Crouch) — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 15:25:07 (UTC)
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Paudie Sue and all other "African Irish",
We went the extra mile for Ireland almost literally. We usually walk in the Dallas Parade with our Irish Wolfhound and about 20 of her mates. This year in a moment of glorious aberration the Parade Planners asked our little group of fiddle, whistle, bodhran and guitar (I'm guitar) to play our reels and jigs on the lead float which is the JAMESONS float. Son Chris and Irish Wolfhound Cozy sat on an elevated part of the float and waved and drooled respectively. When we reached the end of the mile parade we jumped off and gallumphed back to join the Wolfies anyway and walk the rest of the parade with them. Then we all repaired to the "Tipperary Inn" to refresh ourselves gently with suitable libations taking care not to go overboard. I'm all for the wearing of the green but not much for the turning of the green.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 15:00:09 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Yet again another wonderful photo, keep them coming.
See you alllllllllllll in Livingstone.
Des Kenny (formerly Crouch) — Click here to contact me
Wallasey, England
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 14:34:22 (UTC)
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Lusaka Convent reunion.
All ex students welcome to attend this historic reunion. Venue Perth Western Australia Saturday 5th April 2003.
Please respond to Angela for details.
Look forward to hearing from you all!
Angela Dowling (née Ridley) — Click here to contact me
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 12:23:20 (UTC)
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Lá Fhéile Pádraig shona duit
Happy St. Patrick's Day to you
Celebrate with one, some, or all of the following in the company of friends:
pint(s) of Guinness
tot(s) of Irish whiskey
tot(s) of poitín (traditional Irish illegal moonshine)
Black Velvet(s) (half champagne half Guinness, in a champagne glass)
If any of the above are not available, then pint(s) of lager with green colouring in it, or anything with alcohol in it!
Enjoy :>))
We're off to the local St. Paddy's Day parade here, and then to support our local industry with a tot(s) of Jameson Irish Whiskey (the distillery is here in Midleton).
Sláinte (Gaelic for Cheers)
Paudie Coughlan and Sue Forde
Paudie Coughlan — Click here to contact me
Ireland
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 10:46:43 (UTC)
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Lynthia
I didn't forget; I just didn't come into town. Hope you had a wonderful birthday yesterday.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, March 17, 2003 at 05:49:00 (UTC)
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Arthur
Thank you so much for posting the picture of my mom and brother, this is now precious currency - the power of bribery is amazing!
Vi Grant was married to Stasic who was Polish but the children were known as Grant (their mothers surname) rather than by their Polish surname (I have discovered that a lot of the Poles who fought for the allies and married British women did this to protect their children from prejudice). the Grants lived in Garneton but left after they bought a farm in the Valley of a Thousand Hills, as we say on these pages 'I wonder where they are now?' No doubt one of our visitors will know.
George Maxwell — Click here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 22:04:17 (UTC)
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Hello to GNR members!
Having just read various comments about the Mufulira Mine disaster - September 25, 1970 I vividly remember that day receiving a telephone call from Underground Mining Dept.,
letting me know what had happened. Arrangements were made for me to go to the Mufulira airstrip, along the Ndola Road.
I boarded a light aircraft and, with the door taken off, we
were soon flying above the 'disaster area.' Believe me - it was an awesome sight! Below us was this very wide, very large black hole, the inside of which, was filled with water. Several people were seen standing very close to the edge. For the life of me, I cannot recall the pilot's name.
However, he circled the area several times, allowing me to take photographs from every conceivable angle. At one time, I too thought we were heading for trouble! The fellow flying the plane came in so low - all I could see ahead was the side of this black hole. Photographs taken, we headed back to the airstrip and to what was to be, a very hectic day.........
As reported on nrzam.plus.com they were just some of the aerial photographs I took that day.......... Many more
photographs were taken in the weeks, months, that followed.
I have in front of me, right now, a copy of the 'Zambia News' Sunday 27 , 1970. The headlines - MUFULIRA'S AGONY -
little hope left for 89 missing miners.
Further in the newspaper it mentions that some people are
drawing a parallel between this disaster and one which occured at Mufulira in 1939. Then a s'nk hole opened up in the same place as the present one, sending debris plummeting to the 900ft level. Sixteen men were killed.
Norman Kenward — Click here to contact me
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 21:38:15 (UTC)
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My dad, Bob Knott was a safety officer on Muf mine when the mudrush happened and was one of those tasked with the lengthy job of investigating and pulling out the mud and bodies. He doesnt speak of it much. I am off to Belfast, N.I. on Wed to visit him and will mention that Doug Grewar and others have been discussing it. Doug knows my Dad and I'll say hi for you , Doug. Another guy who keeps in touch is Ian Bell who is still in tunnelling and blasting, based in Boston USA. Dads's 91 (and a half as he says) and still full of Muf bull so its always fun to try to get him to recall stuff. Senior moments are us!
It's good that we, of another generation, have the ability, via this and Dawie and Arthur and Heather, to be able to reminisce and recall history. It is history, isn'it? Doesn't seem like it but youth were not even born when we were there and experienced these things, so it must be.
I'm going to miss my daily GNR wile I'm there....
Bill
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 17:09:24 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added a whole school photograph for 1962 to the Codrington section - courtesy of John Whittaker.
Added a number of items from Bob Eglinton as follows:
Photos of George Reeve and Barry Woodhams to their respective entries in the Codrington List.
Pictures taken at the Central Research Station, Mazabuka and three shots approaching the Kafue Rail Bridge to Bob's section in Contributions.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 16:08:05 (UTC)
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Hi All
Wilma has drawn your attention to the info on www.nrzam.plus.com
Go to the Copperbelt section then Mining Index then Mufulira Mine and scroll down.
As well as the first class pictures contributed by Wilma, there is an extensive article which Ken Henderson sent me.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 12:37:08 (UTC)
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Hello there all you gnr's
I have just been reading the message board and not been in touch for ages.
I see that there are some questions about the mine disaster in Mufulira, if you go to Ian Singes site, I have posted some photo's there of the disaster. These were taken I belive by Norman Kenward.
Ian can be found on the Links page I think, please have a look at them and you can see the sink hole that killed the night shift underground.
Love Wilma Henry Wall
Wilma Wall (née Henry) — Click here to contact me
Almelo, Netherlands
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 12:13:32 (UTC)
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Hi, this is a first time for me. I have been reading the news for a while. Today went into archives and found Heathers photo's of the Mambilima Rapids. (August 27 2002)
Sometime in 1964 Colin Gill and I were on a business trip in this area and Colin decided to throw his Fishing line into the river. He hooked a Vundu that took hours to pull from the river and weighed 96 pounds when we weighed it. The fish was nearly 6 feet long.
Did anyone ever visit the Johnson Falls mission? The priests at the mission had channelled through a granite rock and sited a generater that was powered by a waterwheel and supplied electricity at no cost except for a bit of maintenance.
I have some photo's which I will scan and submit to Arthur.
What a great site. I spend hours reading.
Vic Bekker — Click here to contact me
Harare, Zimbabwe
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 10:29:02 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
Slimes Dam Explosion.
I seem to remember that this accident occurred in 1954.
Soon after a large consignment of gelignite had been transported from the surface explosives magazine to underground, the African Mineworkers Union declared a dispute with management & walked off the job.
This dispute carried on long enough for the gelignite to deteriorate (weep) to the extent that it could become unstable.
White staff members volunteered to move explosives to surface & transported it to the Slimes Dam some 2 miles away.
The gelignite was being stacked in a heap & the intention was to burn it safely under controlled conditions.
I think there were six staff killed when the heap detonated without any warning.
I was in the Apprentice Training School & felt the shock wave & a few milliseconds later, heard the tremendous blast.
We all ran outside & saw the mushroom dust cloud.
One of the apprentices - Norman Stander, said "I hope my Dad is alright, he was helping out there."
Not long after, Norman was told that his Dad was one of the unlucky ones.
Bill Hunt — Click here to contact me
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 09:42:32 (UTC)
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Behind on my GNR e-mail
Just a note to let anyone who has sent me e-mail this week that I am behind on dealing with GNR e-mail and will get to it this week... hopefully.
Craig Hartnett — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 01:55:46 (UTC)
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Arthur.
Thanks for posting pics of The Eskimo Hut - many fond memories of my parents taking us there after movies at the Astra on a Saturday or after watching a rugger match at Diggers. Ahhhh the Kafue River at the bottom of Central Street. Many a good time had there too. Thanks again.
Brasso.
Gary Brassington — Click here to contact me
Banbury, Oxon., United Kingdom
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 20:05:02 (UTC)
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Doug,
I was at boarding school in Rhodesia (St Stephens) when the Mufulira mine disaster happened. I remember reading about it in the newspapers. My Dad worked at the mine; he was an electrician in the Concentrator dept from 1964 to 1975.
Dave McConnachie — Click here to contact me
Houston, Texas, United States
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 17:24:26 (UTC)
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The South Africans are folling the GNR with their own board at http://www.sareunited.com/home.php
They have over 100, 000 members already but it can't be as good as the elite on Gnr.
The Farmers in Natal are suffering the worst drought for 30 years.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 13:51:58 (UTC)
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Arthur
The caving area in Mufulira was an area where the ground collapsed into the mine because of the mining system of Block Caving.
I am not a mining engineer so bear with me. As far as I can remember Mufulira had 3 orebodies sandwiched with small layers of waste rock between them and were mined as 1 orebody which was about 70 foot in total hieght or thickness sloping down dip at about 35 to 40 degrees and having a width of more than 2 miles across the strike.
The ore was removed in blocks maybe 200ft across strike and 200ft up dip and of course 70ft high. This would leave a cathedral like cavern which could no longer support the hanging wall (roof), and new blocks would be blasted out to the side and below the collapsing block leaving a narrow side pillar and bottom pillars to isolate the old (mdala side) block. As mining progressed further away, the pressure on the side and bottom columns would crush them and the hanging wall would collapse. Then the ground above it would collapse, and then above that again, untill finally it reached to the surface.
The caving area was dangerous because you could have a few feet of soil covering a hidden cave hundreds of feet deep into which you could dissappear forever if the soil collaped under your weight. A nightmare situation. Thats why it was fenced off.
Under the streams and dambos the empty block the empty blocks were refilled with slimes sand pumped down from the surface to prevent collapse and subsequent water infiltration. Also on surface, dambos over the caving area were filled with slimes sand so that there would be no standing water over the caving area.
Either this was not continued or not done properly resulting in the Mufulira Mine disaster where millions of tons of slimes and water dropped into the mine. Luckily I had got the copper chopper and no longer worked underground. I was collecting some pipes from the salvage yard for my farm a couple of days before the disaster and looked out over the slimes dam below. There was a sinkhole about the size of a house in the middle. When I enquired about it I was told that the slimes was coming out on the 1400 level (that is 1400feet below surface) and they were removing it with loaders. Days later the disaster occurred.
It could have been forseen by the mining and safety
engineers. I believe Dougie Shortt's son is a member of GNR. I would be interested to hear his Dad's comments.
See nrzam.plus.com for more info on the disaster.
Thanks for the maps and thanks to Dave for his map. I wonder if he can remember when several shift bosses got blown to pieces when they were burning old weeping gelignite on the slimes dam during a strike. Apparently the proto team (rescuers)collected the few pieces that could be found in their hard hats.
Cheer - Doug
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 13:43:16 (UTC)
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Hi ARTHUR,
The New Map of Lusaka is fantastic, Thank you.
Sorry about spelling your name wrong, I should know how to spell it, my dads middle name was Arthur, Incedently My dads photo is on Roy Williams's slides NOBBY with croc, in Samfya. We have known Roy for years.
If you were refering to ME as going to a convent, I actually went to the Jean Rennie in Lusaka, Then I went to the King George High school in Broken Hill, As a border 1962/63(as you say, my spelling is not very good,)
Anyway I am so pleased The map of Lusaka has been of interest to so many people , it was well worth sending it to you.
Heather, Your proposed Sunset Cruise on the African Queen,during the Livingstone Reunion is definately worth it, we did it in July 2001, it was Fantastic.Worth every penny. Hope you all have a great time. Wish I could come.
Keep up the good work
LYNDA
Lynda Fielder (née Clark) — Click here to contact me
Rye Sussex, England
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 11:19:28 (UTC)
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Heather or anybody who knows, Heather being the likely one, does Zambia have a national flower, or is that where the Flame Lily comes in, would the flower be the same as it was prior to Independence. Thanks for an anticipated answer.
Tina Gibbs, checking daily now to see if you have joined GNR, see you next week.
I remember the Congo uprising, we had refugees staying with us, a family of five, then the Uncle moved in. The Father was down underground when he got the message to move out, had the underground hardhat on and all still. We put our names down on the list at the Boma (if I remember correctly). It was sad, as they had no time to get any of their clothes etc., left with nothing, and constantly listened to the radio to keep in touch with the happenings in the Congo. They were all French speaking, that is where the dictionary was used a lot. We enjoyed having and helping them, had good and sad times. If I remember correctly, they went to Belgium. We had a lovely letter of thanks from them, written in French. Bennett Hall was a gathering place for all the refugees in Kitwe I think.
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 09:18:58 (UTC)
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lYNDA AND ARTIE
Thanks ever so much for the map of Lusaka, although I was only born there, the heart did a flutter when I saw where the hospital is situated.......now .....is there ANYBODY who has a photo of the hospital, if there is you wil make someone very very happy.......
Ali
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 07:25:27 (UTC)
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Northerners !
What a fantastic find Dawie has made - we are not alone ! Welcome to the readers from the Belgian Congo ex-pat sites !
I am suprised at the lack of response so far on the Message Board to Nadine's and Dawie's posting considering the ex-pats were our close "cousins" from just across the border. Most people must have memories of events in 1960 and many also here must have spent time in the Belgian Congo before and after and during that time.
Welcome Nadine ! - I remember very well the refugees myself and the people in our town of Nkana-Kitwe doing what they could to help your people out and nearly everyone else in Northern Rhodesia joined in to help too.
I went only once to the Congo, my dad didn't quite get there though, on the road heading out from Mufulira and close to the border we passed a lorry coming the other way towing a flat-bed trailer with a very dead and large male lion draped over it. There was an excited crowd following down the road cheering and making a lot of commotion - this was a MAN-EATER that had been doing it's thing in the area and had eventually been tracked and killed. It seemed everyone wanted to dare to try and touch the dead beast.
Well at that point my Dad for reasons I could never fathom out turned round and headed home, so we never made the Congo.
Years later I saw on TV a documentary about the plight of the tiger in India and again the unavoidable shooting of a man-eater. The sad tiger was again paraded on a trailer through the village where it had brought fear and terror. And again I saw the villagers hesitantly touching the dead tiger, it was believed to impart strength into the person touching it. Anyone know if this is why people were touching the lion I saw ?
Well I digress. Please go visit the Belgian Congo websites - there are some fantastic photos there from the old days and if you don't understand French some of the sites have English versions for uneducated morons like me.
I spent a bit of time again on the old Lusaka map over the last week or two when I had a few moments to spare. I have replaced the existing map grid with lighter box grid, removed and replaced the district area names with transparent text so its easier to read the underlying map, redrawn the smudged areas digitally and entered the road names that could not be seen (with the help of Lynda Fielder who supplied the original map). I have also done some other renovation work to complete the map.
Lusaka Map
(this replaces the previous map on the server so clicking the old link will call this new version too)
To everyone who has posted their appreciation for the recent maps I have posted on the GNR thank you very much, but really all those thanks should be given to the two members who provided the maps in the first place, Lynda Fielder for the Lusaka map and Peter Hills for the fantastic maps of Ndola, Mufulira and Luanshya. Without their contributions probably none of us would have ever seen them again.
And Lynda only because of this will I forgive you this once for not knowing how to spell my name. The reason you cannot find Fountains Road in the Woodlands district of Lusaka is because you are a woman and you are map-reading. If you look on the map once again, bottom right grid square, Fountains Road is in the grid reference 5 M (adjacent to the 5C's club). I also note you are a convent girl, so problems with spelling yes maybe, but then again convent girls are very good at doing other things I found out. They didn't run off for starters.
To all the new posters - thanks for coming out of the woodwork, it's good to see you all posting here, please keep it up.
Dave McConnachie - good to see you posted the link to your fantastic Muf map. As you said you can even see the shape of the houses it's so detailed. Can you or any other Muffie explain the "caving area" which is shown on both our maps? We just had the slimes dam to play on. I am already contemplating having a go at stitching your map together. Thanks.
Steve & Marge de Lange - Your package arrived in the post yesterday, magic photo's ! Thanks for the disks. please e-mail me I need to drop you a line about the contents. Thanks.
Ted Mills - please also e-mail me direct so I can pick up your proper e-mail address. I am of course interested to get my hands on your map and the 2000 or so photos. I can then talk over with you what you have and how you can get them to me.
Now for a few pics and other bits and pieces.
George Maxwell
Do you know these people?
Heather Knowles, Linda Burns
A late Christmas prezzie to thank Des Burns for his photos last month.
Denise Crouch, Des Kenny.
You don't really deserve this but I forgive you, what's happened to you people since the Bash ?
Terry Glynn
You posted a message on the 29th January asking for a photo of a Thatcher and Hobson bus 1948/49. This one's probably a 1950's vintage.
Another couple for the Nkana Kitwe lot - I have to keep a balance here what with all the maps I've posted of the towns and dorps surrounding home.
Remember this place anyone?
And here?
The Kafue River scene at the bottom of Central Street - this was a good fishing spot too and also where a few kids were taken by crocs.
Well that's from me for now, I'll post below more contributions form the members and others.
Arthur
Arthur, thank you for your email. Yes, several peole have confirmed it was Gwen Austin, and I have a couple of pics of her in transparency. Who would have thought all those years ago slides would present a problem.
Some of the non transparency images I've scanned are attached.
They are in order the cover of my driving licence, the interior pages of the licence, I've always wanted to use that to rent a car in North America, it has no expiry date so I assume its still valid. A shot of the RTV building exterior, and a picture of Lyn ??, who used to sell cars on RTV. I believe she was from Ndola, I imagine someone would remember her. Please make any use of them you want too.
Dave Hounsell
Dave - thanks for the pics - the images of driving licence were too small to read properly, if you re-scan at 200dpi I will post them for you later. Thanks also for the RTV pic - that brought back great memories for me - I remember playing on the building site with others when they were trying to put the place up. My apologies for delaying your career for at least six months. Here is where I learned to drive a mini dumper truck at 11 years old and trashed it in the foundation footings. The mountains of building sand, concrete and water hoses gave great pleasure, especially good material for blocking up the conduit pipes they intended to run the cabling through. I also learned the power of fire. I blame the site managers, they should have had the place fenced off to stop kids harming themselves.
To make amends
Gwen Austin and Her Girls
(nice legs)
Arthur
Hi Arthur:
A splash of colour for publication, if you see fit.
Not Zambia, I know, but still a treasured piece of memorabilia for many who knew old Rhodesia, Federated or otherwise.
Bob Allan
Melbourne
Hi Arthur,
Here are three more pictures from Luangwa. I have some photos of a bush trip made in 1953 which I will post in the next few days if you think people would be interested.
Regards,
Mike Wilson
(Thanks Mike - I hijacked two of your pics for the New GNR. They will have to wait to see - Arthur)
Hello Arthur
I first saw 'The Big Tree'when I arrived in Northern Rhodesia in December 1950. Some weeks later when we were driving to Ndola we stopped and I wrote out the poem which I have copied below.
The Poem was beautifully sign-written on a board attached to the trunk of the Tree which stood just to the side of the Ndola road as one approached from Kitwe or Luanshya, (It was a mahogany of some kind I believe). There was also a small white picket fence around the base of the tree.
Question: Can anyone tell me if the TREE is still there? I'd like to think it is.
Alma Dawson
THE BIG TREE
You who pass by
And would raise your hand against me,
Hearken ere your harm me.
I am your fire on the cold winter nights,
The friendly shade screening you from The summer sun
My fruits quench your thirst on your journey
I am the beam that holds your house,
The Board of your table
The bed on which you lie,
The timber that builds your boat,
I am the handle of your hoe,
The door of your house,
The wood of your cradle,
The shell of your coffin.
You who pass by
Hearken to my prayer -
Harm me not.
Anon.
Alma - thanks for that - coincidentally I had this to post sometime so I'll do it now, it probably answers the question you posed.
Arthur
NB - Photos courtesy of Guy Hobbs and Peter Hills - Rhokana Reviews
Anne (nee Campbell) and Noel KRESFELDER
Anybody having contact details for the above, now living in South Africa, could they kindly e-mail them to celticlegend@ednet.co.uk
Arthur has kindly allowed me to place this message on the board, but as I have no access to read replies, any replies do need to be e-mailed and not just placed on the message board.
Anne's 88 year old aunt [Mary Carter (nee Cassidy)] is trying to re-contact her niece and her sister, also believed to reside in South Africa. Any information would be gratefully received.
Thanks,
Willie Wallace
http://www.celticlegend.co.uk
Marilyn - good luck with the Perth Python party.
Oh - and don't relax - I have more photos. (which can be exchanged for a 1st class air ticket to Oz)
Mr Green, you still waiting there? - enter my office now please. I need a word or two.
Thanks everyone !
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 01:58:09 (UTC)
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I have some recent photos (2001) of Chingola High School, if you would like you can contact me with your e-mail address and I will scan and mail to you.
Does anyone have any photos of Bancroft school first the tin building near the mine and then the brick building at the top end of town
I also have a Topo map (1:2,500,000) The Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland - I can scan either .tif or .jpg and mail it to you on request
Ted Mills — Click here to contact me
Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, March 14, 2003 at 10:26:06 (UTC)
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Hi Heather,
I am very interested in your Zambian Art and Craft endeavour. In 1961 I was in Namushakende and amongst other things bought a finely woven bamboo tray which lasted until 1983! I look forward to seeing what is available these days.
Regards Mike
Mike Wilson — Click here to contact me
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 13, 2003 at 14:44:57 (UTC)
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I've enjoyed looking at the maps that have been posted and it has prompted me to dig out an old map of Mufulira that I had when I was growing up. It has a lot of detail, including house numbers and even an outline of the shapes of the houses.
I've posted the map on a website that I've been creating: http://mufulira.themcconnachies.com. You'll see a smaller master image that you can click on to get to a bigger image of 6 different areas.
I had written on the map when it was taped to my bedroom wall, so you will see "You are here" written beside 22 Ndola Road - the house we stayed in from 1964 to 1975.
Dave McConnachie — Click here to contact me
Houston, Texas, United States
Thursday, March 13, 2003 at 11:51:08 (UTC)
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Hi Northerners
From long past memories have but down a mamba incident that occurred one day on my Grandpa's farm. This is especially for Heather to go with the pictures posted a short while back of her Mamba!
Black Mamba
During my early boyhood most houses had a large cast iron wood burning stove. On the farm this was no different but the meals cooked on it were second to none. My favourite was bean soup that had been simmering gently on the back of the wood stove. About an hour before supper a large chunk of belly pork would be added to the pot where the whole lot would be served with steaming hot freshly baked bread that had just come out of the oven, yum, yum. Through-out the day there was an enamel coffee percolator sat on the back of the stove, which never seemed to be empty. Every time I helped myself to a cup of coffee the pot always appeared to be more than half full. I tended to drink a few cups of coffee as the fresh water was drawn in a galvanised metal bucket from a well dug in the back vegetable garden. To draw off a cup of cool water you had to dip the cup bottom first whilst carefully tipping the edge so that the water could just flow in to the cup over its lip. If you just scooped up a cup of water you would end up with a tadpole or two wriggling around in your cup! Once again have transgressed, the memory is of collecting firewood for the stove and the ‘Rhodesian Boiler’ to heat up water for the bath. Scavenging firewood was undertaken each time the woodpile was down to a quarter of the usual stockpile. A large flatbed trailer would be hooked up to the tractor and all the farm hands would sit on the trailer with legs dangling over the edge. It was just a case of travelling off into the Rhodesian bush and each dead tree being cut to manageable size and manhandled onto the trailer. With the trailer piled high with wood we would head home. As a young Rhodesian I would join the wood gathering team but did not ride on the trailer, being a young boy the most exciting place was standing on the footplate of the tractor where the driver sat. I would be leaning my rump back against one of the large mudguards covering the rear wheel. On this particular day we were returning back to the farmhouse with a trailer brimming high with twisted, knurled, bone dry logs. We were travelling flat out along a two track dirt farm road. The speed on the tachometer indicated 17mph and either side of the track the fully grown golden brown Rhodesian grass stood a good four to five feet tall. Where ever you looked was the light brown colour of the grass interspersed with knurled trees within shouting distance of each other. Looking around I spied behind us and to one side a large black snake travelling on top of the grass. It quickly caught up with the tractor and shot pass for a couple hundred yards where it then slithered up a tree. It was as though you had run your finger along the top of the grasses. As the ten foot snake flew by the grass stems would partially bow and once passed spring upwards again. It was bedlam, the lads sitting on the trailer where all jabbering excitedly, ten to the dozen, some calling for the driver to stop the tractor. The driver moved the throttle lever to idle drawing up the tractor and trailer, off jumped the wood gathers and grabbing hold of lengths of wood made off for the tree. From the safe haven of the idling, vibrating tractor I watched the farm hands throwing stones and bits of wood into the tree. The snake was eventually knocked to the ground where it was pounded to bits. All us Africans have a very healthy respect for the mamba and the only safe one is a dead one.
Located here in the middle of the Omani Desert it is a far cry from Africa but memories are still very strong. Find a lot of pleasure in checking the Great North Road daily and the messages contained. Also the pictures posted are great and have my fingers crossed that one day a map will be posted of both Broken Hill and Mazabuka.
Take care one and all,
Bob
Bob Eglinton — Click here to contact me
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 13, 2003 at 11:01:50 (UTC)
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I would like to know if any one can tell me about the work my father would have done in the mines,all I know is he was up the front blasting?.He died last year and his mind of that time wasnt the best.I left when i was ten, so i'm a bit vague on a lot of things.we lived at h119.in 1947. k93.and h52.when we left,in 1955.I can only remember Richard Healey,Danny Miller, and an o'toole,
Barry Morton — Click here to contact me
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, March 13, 2003 at 09:51:13 (UTC)
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Livingstone Lark
Friday 26th to Sunday 28th September 2003
Sorry it has taken so long for me to let you have the information, but I keep getting sidetracked on other things.
And I still haven't finished getting all the information, but here goes with what I have in the meantime:
Friday 26th September
On this evening, I would like to arrange a Sunset Cruise and Dinner on the African Queen, but this is dependent on a minimum of 30 passengers.
The African Queen is a triple deck, 70ft catamaran, furnished with Rhodesian Teak, Beech Wood and brass finishes. On arrival at the Royal Landing, you are greeted with a cold cocktail and the sounds of a Marimba Band. Full bars on both upper and lower decks serve a selection of cocktails and iced drinks and freshly prepared hot and cold snacks. The cruise leaves at 4.30 pm and heads up the Zambezi, past the Mosi-oa-Tunya Game Park. As the sun wanes, you return to the Royal Landing for dinner.
Cost: US$ 77 each. This includes transfers from and to the hotel, cruise, all drinks and the meal. On the menu will be Cream of Tomato Soup with Freshly Baked Holiday Rolls, Beef Fillet in Pepper Sauce, Chicken Curry, Vegetable Curry, Salads and vegetable, Apple Pie, Fruit Salad with Fresh Cream, Tea and Coffee.
Bookings and payments for this will have to be made at least one month in advance, so if you are interested, please email me (heather AT lowdown.co.zm)
Saturday 27 September 2003
On this evening, I am arranging a braai. I haven't finalised the venue yet, but on the menu will be lots of tasty, unadulterated, free of steroids steak from cattle raised on good Zambian veld, boerewors, sosaties, pork chops, crocodile tail, chicken, nshima and relish, all cooked on good Zambian malasha (charcoal for those that don't remember what malasha is) and various salads. For dessert there will be fruit salad, melktert, koeksusters. To drink will be copious quantities of Mosi, Castle, Lion, various wines
Cost US$ 35 and again, I will need payment in advance. Please email me (heather AT lowdown.co.zm) and I will give you details of how payment should be made.
Accommodation
Below is a list of the places available which are within close proximity of the Falls or in Livingstone itself. I have not included those places which are either up river from the Game Park or those that are way below the Falls. However, if you will have your own transport and would like information on them, please email me.
Maramba River Lodge situated about 4 km from the Falls, on the banks of the Maramba River.
Camping - US$ 5
Safari tents - Single - US$20, Double - U$25.
Chalets - Single - US$30, Double - US$40, Triple - US$55, 4-bed family - U$70.
Waterfront
Executive room, bed and breakfast, US$65 per person sharing
Riverside room, bed and breakfast, US$50 per person sharing
Family room, bed and breakfast, min 3, max 4; US$30 per person sharing
Standard room, bed and breakfast, US$40 per person sharing
Village Tent, US$20 per person sharing
Campsite US$5 per person
Nyala Lodge (their web site seems to have a problem right now, so I have not included a link). This lodge is 7 km from the Falls and consists of 10 en-suite double/twin rooms and one triple unit with interleading doors. All the rooms have unique waterfall showers, mosquito nets and a fan. There is a central bar and a la carte restaurant, a pool and satellite TV in the bar.
Single room: US$ 40 bed and breakfast
Double room: US$ 50 bed and breakfast
Triple room: US$ 70 bed and breakfast
Wasawange
This lodge is in town, on the airport road. Rates are per room and include breakfast:
Single - US$ 100
Double - US$ 115
Triple - US$ 145
Zambezi Sun (Three Star) and Royal Livingstone (Five Star)
Final rates awaited, but in the region of US$ 175 per room per night, including breakfast.
Fawlty Towers is at the south end of Livingstone, about 8 km from the Falls. It is more a backpackers place so is pretty basic, but it does have an excellent restaurant.
Camping - US$ 5,
Double and twin rooms US$20.00 per room
Double and twin en suite (with own bathroom) US$30 per room.
Papagayo Guest House is a Guest House located one kilometre from town and 10 Km from the Falls US$ 15 per person per night.
Geckos Guesthouse (they don't have a web page) is located in town, along Mosi-oa-Tunya Road. They are a self-catering establishment although there is a bar for residents and a swimming pool. All rooms have mosquito nets and fans.
Double & Twin En-suite @ US$25
Single En-suite @ US$18
Camping @ US$3pp
I have stayed at the first four places (Maramba, Waterfront, Nyala and Wasawange) and can recommend them. I can also recommend the Zambezi Sun and the Royal Livingstone.
As I am still hoping to get better discounts out of the hotels etc, please can you email (heather AT lowdown.co.zm) me with your bookings, and I will (initially) do block bookings.
Flights
The easiest, and probably the cheapest, way to fly is via Johannesburg and straight into Livingstone. However, if you are flying to Lusaka, you can then either fly to Livingstone, or if there are sufficient numbers, a bus can be hired. Please email me with your plans, so that I can get the best deal for bus transfers. Pick ups can be arranged from Livingstone Airport for those flying to Livingstone. Cost of this is in the region of US$ 15 but some hotels include it in the accommodation. I'm still following a few leads on discounted bookings, but please don't hold your breath waiting for me.
Livingstone Activities
There are a number of activities available in Livingstone, for the very active and adventurous and for the not-so-active. These activities range from white water rafting through the rapids below the Falls and bungi jumping off the Victoria Falls Bridge, to the Flight Of Angels in a helicopter over the falls or a leisurely boat cruise in the calm waters above the falls.
Here are a few examples of the activities available as well as the approximate price you would be expected to pay. There are many other activities, and one would be able to decide which one was most suitable from the many Tour Operators programmes and Web Sites produced. Some operators have offered discounts if the bookings are made as a block, so please let me know if you wish to be included in a booking for any of the activities
Rafting - Full Day approx. US$ 95.00, Half Day approx. US$ 70.00
Canoe trips - Full Day approx. US$ 70.00, Half Day approx. US$ 60.00
Game Drive - 3 hours approx. US$ 40.00
Sunset Cruise - 2.5 hours approx. US$ 40.00
Bungi Jump - approx. US$ 90.00
Horse Trails - Full day approx. US$ 85.00, Half day approx. US$ 65.00, 1.5 hrs approx. US$ 35.00
Elephant back - approx. US$ 90.00
Abseiling - approx. US$ 80.00
Game Walk - approx. US$ 65.00
Microlite Flights - approx. US$ 75.00 to US$ 115.00
Flight of Angels - approx. US$ 75.00 to US$ 150.00
Fishing - approx. US$ 50.00 to US$ 100.00
Here are some web pages to take a look at on activities available:
Zambian Tourism
Bushtracks
Jet Extreme
Raft Extreme
Safpar
United Air Charters
Bundu Adventures
If you would like to book for any of these activities, please email me (heather AT lowdown.co.zm)
Car Hire information to follow in due course, as well as other bits of info as they become available, including info on visas, malaria, safety and security etc.
Please also email me (heather AT lowdown.co.zm) with information on the other places in Zambia that you would like to visit so that I can let you have all the information that you need.
One special request. Because I decided to hold this in Livingstone rather than Lusaka, I am having to do most of the arrangements by remote control. It also involves all sorts of logistical issues such as tables, chairs, crockery, cutlery etc which have to be transported from Lusaka to Livingstone. In addition to that, hiring of crockery etc is not a simple pick up a telephone and arrange it all. Depending on the numbers, I am going to have to hire from various different places. Because of these logistics, I am asking people to let me know as soon as possible whether they will be attending or not. This is also important for availability of accommodation.
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Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 at 12:49:33 (UTC)
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Hi
I too remember the "Congolese Refugees" as they were called. I was 8 at the time and went to bed one night to wake up in the morning to a front lawn (5 acre plot in Murundu) packed full of strange vehicles. Murundu, being 4 miles from Mokambo by road and less if you were a crow, was the first point of civilisation for those coming that way.
Refugees had been expectd for a while and there were attempts to put some infrastructure in place. Residents had been asked to take in what they could. My Uncle had put his name down and we too. The night they arrived, Uncle was out, so his batch came to us as well. We spent the morning dispensing coffee before they moved on.
My parents made friends with some of them and visited in E'ville when the dust had settled. Lots of talk about frogs legs and french cuisine when they returned.
One family stuck in Mufulira, the Panicco's, and their children came to our school (Muf Primary). Two of the sons, Robbie and Michelle are still in Zambia, though I think they have left Muf. Danielle (the eldest) is in SA.
Around that time the Selous Scouts sent a crew to set up a camp on the Mokambo road to keep a lookout for Lumumba's rebels. We used to cycle to them and stare in utter amazement at the armoured car they used. I recall thqat the radio aetrial was hollow and they used that to suck up paraffin from the fuel tank(the engine was a Rolls Royce that ran on petrol and paraffin)to fire the lamps and camping stove.
Owen Thomas — Click here to contact me
Henley on Klip, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 at 11:26:15 (UTC)
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Heather
Your Zambian Crafts site is very exciting news. You are setting up a "win-win" situation, a potentially great avenue to help Zambians earn money for Zambian goods. Smart thinking, lady.
Dave
Thanks for making a great connection. In schoolgirl French -Vive nos voisins d'arrière-cour! Soyez les bienvenus!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 at 07:38:01 (UTC)
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Mary Gilbert and Ron Behrens
Happy Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 at 07:33:04 (UTC)
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Rugby World Cup - Perth
I was just paying my normal lunch-time visit to the GNR and mind drifted off to those great days when Clive used to play rugby for Diggers, in Kitwe, and we visited other towns over the weekends. Then I thought about the world cup this year. Is anyone coming to Perth for the game SA versus England, 18th October? We've got a few friends visiting and I thought it would be fun to get together. A small reunion, even.
Let me know.
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) — Click here to contact me
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 at 04:24:58 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
I am including a response from the webmaster of Elizabethville-Lubumbashi website.
You will appreciate the great import of this connection, and I hope there will be more contacts as more people read the messages of this remarkable encounter!
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Dave,
Excuse me for answering so late, but I had no connection to Internet at home during two weeks.
I discovered with great pleasure your message in your message board.
I am very happy to know that you didn't forget the European refugees.
I, personally, with my family, have been warmly welcomed in your country in 1960. After the proclamation of the independence of Congo, the Europeans took refuge during some weeks in a school for boys called "Le Collège" in
Elisabethville. We all lived together. Then we went in Rhodesia (by bus, van or truck ?). I don't remember the name of the town. But I still see the neighbourhood.
The English family and my parents talked with the help
of dictionaries. I was 8 at that time, and I took great pleasure playing in the garden. I found an old lipstick and I decided with my brother to use it
like a stamp (a postmark?).
With regard to the food, the host family used ketchup. So I discovered ketchup in Rhodesia!
Kitwe, Ndola are familiar towns for me. After our stay in your country, we went to Brussels (from Salisbury?) without our father who went back in Elisabethville... A few months after, we went back to Elisabethville too.
I congratulate you on your website. I want to know more about Rhodesia, I have seen that you have historical pages. I will put a link to your website.
It is a good idea to have written in French!
Regards.
Nadine Watteyne
http://www.elisabethville.be.tf
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 21:32:43 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
À partir du moment où j’ai entrepris la conception du site web The Great North Road et jusqu’au jour de son installation sur Internet, je n’ai cessé de réfléchir aux moyens de retrouver mes compatriotes qui semblaient avoir disparu de la planète après le 24 octobre 1964, dispersés dans la diaspora. Durant toute cette période, c’est en grand nombre que me sont revenus en mémoire les évènements qui se sont produits entre le tout début des années 50 et les temps plus rapprochés des années 60. En même temps, je me suis fréquemment demandé ce que les autres communautés, composées d’expatriés issus des pays africains du voisinage, avaient bien pu faire en matière de création de sites web. Certes, j’avais pu voir ce que les expatriés de la Rhodésie-Zimbabwe et de l’Afrique du Sud avaient réalisé. Mais qu’en était-il de ceux du Nyasaland-Malawi, du Tanganikya-Tanzanie, du Kenya, de l’Ouganda, du Mozambique, de l’Angola et, bien sûr, de notre grand voisin, le puissant Congo, dont l’influence s’exerçait jusque dans notre arrière-cour?
Pour beaucoup d’entre nous, Nord-Rhodésiens, les évènements qui ont suivi le 30 juin 1960 font partie intégrante de notre expérience africaine et resteront à jamais gravés dans notre mémoire. Nous avons été nombreux à aider, à soutenir et à accueillir dans nos foyers quantité de Belges qui avaient trouvé refuge dans notre pays en traversant la frontière toute proche. Qu’est-il advenu de tous ces gens après leur départ, lorsqu’ils nous ont quittés pour rentrer en Belgique ou pour refaire leur vie ailleurs dans le monde? Sans doute sommes nous quelques-uns à avoir gardé contact, mais beaucoup d’entre nous, pour ne pas dire la plupart, sont restés sans nouvelles.
J’avais un rêve : celui de retrouver ces gens par l’intermédiaire de sites web semblables au nôtre : La Grande Route du Nord. Au fil des ans, il m’est arrivé de faire des recherches sur Internet, en utilisant mes connaissances en français et en ayant recours à des mots-clés qui m’étaient familiers, pour tenter de trouver un site similaire, mais conçu pour les Belges expatriés de l’ancien Congo. Eh bien, j’ai le grand plaisir de vous annoncer que, au cours des dernières semaines, j’ai finalement atteint mon but. J’ai effectivement découvert les sites web que je recherchais! Je me suis mis en rapport avec plusieurs de leurs propriétaires et je leur ai tendu la main de l’amitié, celle-là même qui leur avait été tendue à l’époque, au lendemain de ces jours effroyables de 1960.
Ce qui est remarquable dans ces sites web, c’est qu’ils ressemblent à The Great North Road. Leur nombre est tel que j’ai demandé à Craig de les inclure dans la page des hyperliens. De là, vous pourrez ainsi accéder directement à des sites qui concernent des personnes ayant vécu à Élisabethville, à Jadotville, à Kolwezi et dans d’autres villes ou villages du Congo.
L’hyperlien Elisabethville-Lubumbashi, (http://membres.lycos.fr/lubumbashi/), par exemple, vous conduira à une page d’accueil où il vous faudra, pour entrer sur le site, cliquer sur l’une ou l’autre des icônes représentant un drapeau qui s’agite (anglais ou français). Une fois à l’intérieur, vous trouverez une page d’hyperliens qui pourront, à leur tour, vous mener à beaucoup d’autres sites concernant des Belges expatriés du Congo.
On n’est pas tout seuls !
When I started creating the Great North Road website in 1995 until I posted it on the World Wide Web on 28 April, 1996, I was thinking of trying to find my countrymen who seemed to have disappeared from the planet in the diaspora after 24 October, 1964.
Many events went through my mind during the creation, from the early days in the 1950s to the more recent times in the 1960s. As I created the site, I would often reflect on what other ex-pat communities from neighbouring African countries had done in terms of creating web sites. I had seen what the Rhodesian-Zimbabwean and South African ex-pats had done, but what about Nyasaland-Malawi, Tanganikya-Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Mozambique, Angola, and of course, our great and influential neighbour in our own very backyard, the mighty Congo?
For many Northern Rhodesians, the events following 30 June, 1960 will be etched in our minds forever, and are an integral part of our African experience. Many of us took many of the Belgians who fled across the nearby border into our country into our homes and provided help and assistance.
What happened to these people when they left our doors to return to Belguim or to make new lives elsewhere in the world? Some of us, no doubt have kept in contact, many most of us have lost contact with these people.
For me, it was a dream to find these people through websites similar to ours, The Great North Road. Over the years, I would occasionally search the web using my French and familiar text strings to try and find a website that was similar to ours, but which was designed for the Belgian ex-pats of the old Congo.
Well, I have the great pleasure to report that I have finally met this objective in the past few weeks. I discovered the very websites I have been looking for! I have made contact with the owners of some of these websites, and I have extended the hand of friendship that once was extended so many years ago after those dreadful days in 1960.
What is remarkable is how similar these websites are to the GNR. The same kinds of memories, similar lifestyles, and the imagery of the old photos of a life in Africa remarkably parallelling that of ours! There are a number of sites, and I have asked Craig to include them on the Links page. There are sites for people who lived in Elisabethville, Jadotville, Kolwezi, and other towns and cities in the Congo.
If you go to the Elisabethville-Lubumbashi web site (http://membres.lycos.fr/lubumbashi/) and click on either one of the spinning flag icons (British or French), you will enter the site. There is a links page from within the site that will take you to many of the other Belgian ex-pat Congo sites.
We are not alone!
Dave Cooper — Click here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 14:27:07 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur
Those maps of Chingola and Mufulira are great. It was great to track down were I went to school and lived. I went to Helen Welller in Chingola and stayed at 25 Elm Street. In Muf I went to Mary Moffat,Muf Primary and Ross Avenue. We stayed in K136(not 100%) and H157(not 100%) and then 13 London Road. It is a trip down memory lane.
Leslie Davies — Click here to contact me
Loch Vaal, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 10:40:24 (UTC)
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Tina
During the next few weeks, Zambian art will be available on the web.
This is my latest project and over the last two months, I have been contacting various artists and craftsmen, getting what they produce off them, photographing it, cataloging it, measuring it, weighing it, sorting out packaging, postage rates and am now busy doing the web page. I can hardly move in my office for all the paintings, carvings, malachite, soapstone, marble.
Many of the artists had heard of the internet, but very few understood how it works and that there is an opportunity for them to sell their goods through it. They're very excited. In fact so excited that I have had to ban them from my office because they keep coming in every few days to see what progress I have made. And they love seeing photographs of their work on the computer.
I should also shortly be receiving a batch of Tonga and Lozi baskets, beer glasses made from recycled bottles and beaten copper pictures.
A percentage of the sales made to any GNR member will go towards running the GNR.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 06:05:59 (UTC)
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Tina
During the next few weeks, Zambian art will be available on the web.
This is my latest project and over the last two months, I have been contacting various artists and craftsmen, getting what they produce off them, photographing it, cataloging it, measuring it, weighing it, sorting out packaging, postage rates and am now busy doing the web page. I can hardly move in my office for all the paintings, carvings, malachite, soapstone, marble.
Many of the artists had heard of the internet, but very few understood how it works and that there is an opportunity for them to sell their goods through it. They're very excited. In fact so excited that I have had to ban them from my office because they keep coming in every few days to see what progress I have made. And they love seeing photographs of their work on the computer.
I should also shortly be receiving a batch of Tonga and Lozi baskets, beer glasses made from recycled bottles and beaten copper pictures.
A percentage of the sales made to any GNR member will go towards running the GNR.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 06:05:58 (UTC)
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When I go to the computer now I get a faceful of white stripey impala bums on a sea of new green African grass. The Chilanga Golf Club members are visiting my desktop.
How is Munda Wanga's "Stepping Stone Project" doing? It's reknowned isn't it? (for returning orphaned or incapacitated animals to the wild). I remember reading a while back (probably in a "Lusaka Lowdown") about Phoenix the baby elephant where they took a two-week-old orphaned elephant and got her to survive and thrive and had luck with breeding African Painted Dogs, etc. Sounds like Jilly Aplin would be in heaven if she visited there.
Hopefully conservation projects generate dollars from visits from tourists and academia and there are saleable items like photos, paintings calendars, carvings etc. Be great to put things like that on the web where the International Community could spend money on them and help Zambians.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 03:54:12 (UTC)
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Keith and Margie
There are a few others out here who have nothing but good memories of the Bijou, Broadway, Savoy, Elephant and Castle, and our pressure-relieving haven the Bull and Bush. Three of them were bars but the boating, golf, football, and various ex-servicemen's clubs also had great festivities.
Finally, Tony Blake's Coppers and Paddy Bannon's Top Hat.
Now you know how some of the Northern News crowd spent their leisure time.
Now really finally, thanks for the map of the capital of the Copperbelt, Ndola, of course. It was fun to look up the names of roads I didn't even know back then.
Robert Summers — Click here to contact me
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 21:22:31 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks once again for the great photos - soooo green on the greens! Looking forward to seeing you again soon - did you get my emails? We are going to be in Lusaka on the 30th.
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 21:21:26 (UTC)
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Heather
Your Chilanga Golf Club members are very beautiful and seem to really be enjoying the rough.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 21:09:14 (UTC)
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When you find the Wroes, let me know. My wife used to work with her at the Joanne's folk's salon above the Green Parrot in Longacres.
Dittos for that Lusaka map. Heather, if you are ever in area, camera at the ready, I would be keen to see if the house still exists. From Cairo Road, go on Curch Road and turn left into Leander, which kind of runs into an "island" between Beit and Lantana. The house is on that corner, surrounded by Beit, Lantana, and Leander. The house used to belong to a vet until the bank bought it in 1964 and turned it into a single quarters mess. Great house!
Chris Tamm — Click here to contact me
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 17:03:44 (UTC)
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A big thank-you to Arthur for the map of Lusaka. I was born there in 1950 and the first house I remember living in was in Huntley Close, which I found very easily on the map. If I remember correctly, Dr Gasson, Dr Molk's partner used to live in the same road. We then moved to 12 Fountains Road in Woodlands, but sadly the map didn't include that section. I left Lusaka in the mid-60s so it was a very nostalgic trip around my old home town. Thanks again.
Cynthia Halvey — Click here to contact me
Durban, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 11:45:27 (UTC)
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Barrie Braidford,
E-mail me so I can get your new address.
Jimmy6
Jimmy Churchil — Click here to contact me
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Monday, March 10, 2003 at 09:01:38 (UTC)
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Hello:
I am looking for a Joanne and Casper Wroe. Last heard of in Lusaka 1969.
Hello:
I am looking for the following people;
Helena Marques, Lusaka 1968
Theresa Graff (nee) Consalves 1960s'
Billy Gregg Lusaka 1963
Warren Cooper Lusaka 1960'
Johnny and Myra o"Brian
David Taube Railways Lusaka 1960s
Godfrey Bromhead Railways Lusaka
Elizabeth Liversidge (née Rodgers) — Click here to contact me
Thornhill, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, March 09, 2003 at 23:15:29 (UTC)
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Heather.
I am 9 days late, I know but I have been so busy over the last couple of months that I don't get here that often anymore but anyway, I hope you had a great day on your Birthday and may you have many more!!
Margie Jungnicz
Welcome! I think I am the other from Ndola
Keith Johnston — Click here to contact me
Glen Marais Johannesburg, South Africa
Sunday, March 09, 2003 at 19:16:20 (UTC)
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WE ARE SURVIVORS
(for those born Before 1940...)
'We were born before television, before penicillin, polio
shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact lenses, videos and the
pill.We were born before radar, credit cards, split atoms,
laser beams and ballpoint pens, before dishwashers, tumble
driers, electric blankets, air-conditioners, drip-dry
clothes... and before man walked on the moon.
'We got married first and then lived together (how quaint
can you be?). 'We thought 'fast food' was what you ate in
Lent, a 'Big Mac' was an oversized raincoat and 'crumpet'
we had for tea. 'We existed before house husbands, computer
dating and 'sheltered accommodation' was where you waited
for a bus.
'We were before day care centres, group homes and disposable
nappies. We never heard of FM radio, tape decks,artificial
hearts, word processors, or young men wearing earrings.
For us 'time sharing' meant togetherness, a 'chip' was a
piece of wood or fried potato, 'hardware' meant nuts and
bolts and 'software' wasn't a word.
'Before 1940 "Made in Japan" meant junk! The term 'making
out' referred to how you did in your exams, 'stud' was
something that fastened a collar to a shirt,and 'going all
the way' meant staying on a double decker bus to the
terminus. In our day cigarette smoking was 'fashionable',
'grass' was mown, 'coke' was kept in the coalhouse, a
'joint' was a piece of meat you ate on Sundays and 'pot'
was something you cooked in. 'Rock Music' was a fond
mother's lullaby, 'Eldorado' was an ice cream, a 'gay
person was the life and soul of the party, while 'aids'
just meant beauty treatment or help for someone in trouble
'We who were born before 1940 must be a hardy bunch when
you think of the way in which the world has changed and
the adjustments we have had to make. No wonder there is a
generation gap today.... BUT
BY THE GRACE OF GOD... WE HAVE SURVIVED!
Norman Kenward — Click here to contact me
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Friday, March 07, 2003 at 21:04:10 (UTC)
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Another Mufulirian checks out the map! It's great! We were second from the corner on Flecker Ave/Seventh at F45 (later to become Funda) and in the early days (more than 45 years ago but less than 50) we were at K217. The amazing thing is that I knew my away around like the back of my hand, but even back then I don't think I paid any attention to the street names.
Thanks Arthur
Steve Keeley — Click here to contact me
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Friday, March 07, 2003 at 19:35:28 (UTC)
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Hello;
My name is Elizabeth Liversidge (nee Rodgers)
My husband's name is Stuart, he worked on the Rhodesian Railways for a while on the Kafue run
I have lived in Northern Rhodesia for many years, I went to Lusaka and Broken Hill Convents in the 1950s'I worked in Lusaka on grduation from High School.
I also spent quite a bit of my time on the Copperbelt, Luanshya, Kitwe etc.
My family immigrated from England in 1947 via Italy and Egypt and then onto Beira by sea; we travelled by train from Beira to Broken Hill, and then settled in N. Rhodesia. My father was with the Red Locust control in the Rukwa Valley.
I would be very happy to know if there is anyone on this msge board who remembers me, or my husband Stuart Liversidge.
Hope to hear from you soon
the weather out here is very cold with lots of snow! -7FH
Regards
Elizabeth
Elizabeth Liversidge (née Rodgers) — Click here to contact me
Thornhill, Ontario, Canada
Friday, March 07, 2003 at 16:07:33 (UTC)
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Northerners
For your viewing pleasure:
Kafue Marina
Where Lusaka gets its water
Chilanga Golf Club
Some members of Chilanga Golf Club
The Great North Road just south of Chilanga
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, March 07, 2003 at 15:01:01 (UTC)
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I have just had the greatest fun exploring the avenues and streets of Mufulira - thanks Arthur a real treat I was having difficulty trying to decide exactly where in Herrick Avenue we lived but put the cursor on the golf club and ran up the road, a road used daily to take us via the golf club to the swimming pool, my gosh that was real fun. Love and Hugs to all on the GNR - Irene
Irene White (née Barnard) — Click here to contact me
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, March 06, 2003 at 23:15:13 (UTC)
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Long Live King Arthur!!
Now posted - ta daa, a map of the best town on the Copperbelt.... Mufulira.
I had great- naah, am having greeat fun,; trying to see where we lived, as precisely as I can. F5A, WD 2, L88, H123 and 32 Faraday Drive..... the last one I got.
Isnt it cool that we live in an age where old doddering types like us can work these sorts of miracles? I dodder, I know.. Arthur rules.
And thanks Dawie, for the beginning.
Am going to try to print it and show my Dad in the next little while.
Bill
William Knott — Click here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, March 06, 2003 at 21:38:08 (UTC)
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Northerners !
As promised, more maps. Please bear in mind that although tiny in comparison to those that are on my PC, the images are quite large and will take time to download for those of you who are on dial-up internet connections. I managed to squeeze them down to around 650kb each.
Mufulira Map
Chingola Map
Originals dated 1961 (3.16 inches to the mile) from the Department of Federal Surveys.
Original map courtesy of Peter Hills
These maps and the others I posted earlier this month may eventually be fully converted to the format that the Kitwe Map currently accessed through the GNR Homepage.
I found a way round the problem of getting the maps nice and flat when scanning. I got my business partner's secretary to sit on the scanner for me.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 18:53:31 (UTC)
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Hello to you all again, I have just uprated my system, I now have unlimited access, with high speed broad band, via a company named "Pipex" for £23.44/month. I hope this is not blatant advertising, I thought it may be of interest to others in the UK. So I will be lurking a lot more now.
I may even get around to sending Arthur some pictures.
JIMMY CHURCHILL; I HAVE CHANGED MY EMAIL ADDRESS.
Look forward to seeing you soon.
Regards barribee.
Barrie Braidford — Click here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 18:39:25 (UTC)
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Owen Thomas,
Oh no he's not! We also lived in Murundu, albeit briefly. Great place too!
Lizd
Lizd — Click here to contact me
United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 18:02:35 (UTC)
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Arthur
I will admit to being a bad speller, but I did not go to Frederick Knapp. I was at St John's Convent.
David Russell
With regard to the photo posted by Ms Eldridge, it was actually posted by me (Heather Knowles - nee Eldridge). Don't get me wrong, I do not mind being called by my maiden name at all, and sorry if the info was wrong, it was given to me by Grant, my husband. He will be most upset to know that his memory is not as good as it use to be.
Heather Knowles (née Eldridge) — Click here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 14:32:39 (UTC)
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GNR People, I have just heard this PM that Mike Chaplin has passed away after fighting cancer for 18 months. My cousin Mike, hails from Chingola (ex Duck Tail!), ended up in Pretoria building a company which he handed over to his son Desmond (grandfather was Des Chaplin). Glyness, Mikes's wife, gathered her family together today to break the news.
To contact Glyn, use +27 12 802 1048.
Paul Lindenberg
Spotlight Kid — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 13:55:15 (UTC)
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Over the weekend David Gray pondered over the origin of the track, "Kitwe Polka" he discovered on an old SABC record by Theo Erasmus.
I spoke to Theo today and regret to report no romantic connection with Kitwe at all. While he did tour SA and SWA with Al Debbo, a tour planned for Zambia fell through. He says he was looking for a title for a tune, and Kitwe simply came to him as a strong sounding word so he used it.
Geoff Paynter — Click here to contact me
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 11:14:12 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
You ARE the only Murundu Bandit. The rest of us are civilised people.
Keep up the anecdotes, they are particularly amusing.
Cheers
Owen
Owen Thomas — Click here to contact me
Henley on Klip, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 09:32:08 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday to a Lurker, Kathy Barnett reaches her half-century today!!
Love,
Jill
Jill Aplin — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 06:17:41 (UTC)
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Lindsay Cummings, Doug Gifford, James Coogan, Garth Reed
Happy Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 05:51:32 (UTC)
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Thank you to everyone who helped me locate Malcolm Smale.
Malcolm was lost to me for thirty odd years, and it was terrific to make contact with him.
Thanks again.
Tony
Anthony Elliott — Click here to contact me
Stuttgart, Germany
Tuesday, March 04, 2003 at 18:30:41 (UTC)
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In the mid seventies I was visiting John Glen at his double story house just out of town in Bulawayo. When we came back from town after a boozy lunch with a lot of pickles, we both had the same urgent need to use the toilet.
John went to the upstairs loo and I went to the downstairs one. While we had been out someone had driven a loaded truck close to the house and squashed the sewer pipe flat as it was only about 6" below the surface.
John finished first and flushed his toilet. Everything came thundering down the pipe and having nowhere else to go backfired violently out of my toilet where I was still busy. I had to run out into the yard covered in Kak and get one of the boys to hose me down. Old John nearly wet his pants laughing! He had a very lavatorial sense of humor.
Cheer - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, March 04, 2003 at 18:02:01 (UTC)
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Glen Drake, Tony Austin
Happy Birthday
Leonard
I remember the song. The artist was from either Senegal or Cameroun. It was very popular in the early 90's, at the same time as Tshala Muana (spelling??) who was from the Congo and was banned from being shown on ZNBC because she exposed her thighs.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 04, 2003 at 05:24:56 (UTC)
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Does anyone remember a song that was spelt something like "eh chibe zank kaliwa" - it had soldiers marching and stuff - I think it was from Congo or some other country but it kept playing on ZNBC
Leonard Nelson — Click here to contact me
Philadelphia, PA, United States
Tuesday, March 04, 2003 at 03:13:21 (UTC)
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Aurther
Thanks so much for putting the Lusaka map on the board,It looks even better, I am so glad It gave Alot of people some good memories.
Thanks also for the Ndola Map, I lived there in the 60s in Suffolk close Kansenji....Great, that also bought back some good memories for me.
Thanks also to every one who contibutes to the site, I just love reading every thing about wonderful Zambia,I still miss the place after 35 years.
Lynda Fielder (née Clark) — Click here to contact me
Rye Sussex, England
Monday, March 03, 2003 at 20:50:56 (UTC)
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Lynda
Yep, the Lusaka map with the old names is priceless. Like so many we have one with the post-Independence names and it is strange looking at the later maps, seeing the road you lived on but not the name you knew it by. After my family moved into town from Botha's Rust we spent a brief period in Maxwell Road before moving to Kabulonga. I got pushed on my wobbly way learning to ride a bike on that sloping grassy area that ran down in front of Aylmer May Cemetary.
You know, making a map into your computer wallpaper rather a busy background but that's where it instantly went and is staying for now. Ah Bliss!!!
Hartley
A great visitor booklet and ably presented by -
Arthur
Thanks as always for putting the stuff on the GNR and also for adding great touches like the excerpt on our Lido, Blue Boar etc. our Famous Local Attractions where we so often went with our families or to scope out our own local attractions.
Heather
You knew this had to happen so -
Been away from the Board
Checked back in and was floored
To see that your birthday's been closed.
In the click of a shutter
You took your best shots.
The day's gone. The film got exposed.
Still a late HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Resounds to your health.
We hope celebrations were rife.
And we trust and believe
You'll continue to leave
Your prints all over our life!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) — Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Monday, March 03, 2003 at 15:58:11 (UTC)
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Hans Mattson-yes Barbara is my sister and I've forwarded your email to her.
Regards Margie J
Margie Jungnicz — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Monday, March 03, 2003 at 05:08:51 (UTC)
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This might be of interest to some of you!
Some weeks back I was invited to speak at the lunch time meeting of the Table Bay Rotary Club. Now Rotarians ,when they visit other clubs to 'make up' (attempt to achieve good attendance figures), exchange club pendants and these are displayed as wall hangings at the meetings. Over the years clubs accumulate vast numbers of pendants but it is always interesting to see which clubs are represented. As a dutiful speaker I arrived early and spent some time viewing the pendants. I was gratified to find the pendants from Lusaka Rotary Club and from the Rotary Club of Kitwe - Northern Rhodesia, the club which gave me a small bursary to attend University.
I belong to the Rotary Club of Durbanville and we assisted the Community Chest at the four day long Community Carnival at Maynardville in Wynberg. During that time we stripped and cooked 7000 meilies and raised about R 20 000 for charity. Now the South African Broadcasting Corporation has disbanded its record library and over the months these vinyl records have been sold for about the equivalent of £1 each. I find it sad that this fantastic collection of records was broken up and sold. With the best having gone long ago, the remainder found their way to the Petticoat Lane Stall at the Community Carnival. During my rest period I went through these (± 500 records) and made my final selection at R 1 each ( 8 P). Imagine my surprise last night when I played my records and found that one of the cuts on a 30 year old LP bearing the Springbok Radio stamp, was called "Kitwe Polka" !!! The musician was one Theo Erasmus of whom I have never heard but possibly inspiration struck him at the old Nkana hotel one night many moons ago while he toured the Copperbelt.
Cheers
David Gray — Click here to contact me
South Africa
Sunday, March 02, 2003 at 16:11:23 (UTC)
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My dear Linda if YOU are going to administer the six strokes with the cane, the whip, or the 4x2 HALLELUYA.
LOVE Johnny.x
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 02, 2003 at 10:06:40 (UTC)
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Elaine Watson
Happy Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, March 02, 2003 at 09:19:50 (UTC)
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My dear Heather as you may have noticed I have been absent off parade for a couple of days and missed the your birthday but let me now wish you many happy returns all be it a little belatedly with lots of love Johnny.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 02, 2003 at 00:33:23 (UTC)
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My message below got lost in the archive, so I'm re-posting it.
Northerners,
Last year I had some Roan rugby shirts made to sell, and make a bit of cash for the ex-luanshya site. I sold 45 in all, and have decided to have another batch made.
They are good quality, as anyone who has bought one will testify
They cost £35 plus postage (£2.50 to the UK, at cost worldwide (for example £7 for one I sent to Australia))
The deadline for these is MONDAY 10 MARCH 9 am GMT, which is the time I phone in the order.
E-mail me at njiri@ntlworld.com for more details etc
Polo shirts and caps are also available.
Neil.
Depending on the response here, I MAY consider doing rugby shirts for other Zambia (NR) teams, for example Diggers (Grrrr), Nchanga, Muf, etc. provided I can get colours and club logos. Any proceeds from these will be donated to the running of the GNR site ( as I have done for the Luanshya site).
I'm not promising anyone anything yet..... it depends on what response I get.
Neil Smith — Click here to contact me
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 21:46:52 (UTC)
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Artie a.k.a. The Headmaster:
I have a well-used 2X4 that you are welcome to have if your cane does not work well anymore. It's about time Mr. Green got six of the best.
Heather:
A very belated Happy Birthday. Hope you had a fabulous time!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) — Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 20:20:05 (UTC)
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Green reporting outside the heads office as instructed SIR.
Johnny — Click here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 16:19:36 (UTC)
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Hi All
www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
Added Northern Rhodesia Journal Volume III - No. 2 - 1956
The Eastern Caprivi Zipfel
R W Yule - an Appreciation
The Bird Population of Mupane Woodland
Mweru Wa Ntipa: More About Water Levels
The Reigns of the Kazembes
Memories of Abandoned Bomas: No. 10 Chilanga
Hunting in North-Western Rhodesia
Some Reminiscences of George Grey
The Luangwa Valley in 1918
The Cost of Exploring the Zambezi: 1859
Notes: Childhood Memories of the 1914-19 Years Graves at Nyala / New Contributors to this Number Graves at Nyala / Short History of the Sesheke District Graves at Nyala / Sale of Land Among Africans Graves at Nyala / First Records - No. 10 The First Rugby Match Graves at Nyala / Extracts From District Note Books: No. 8 - The Death of Satarus the Greek.
The Rhodes-Livingstone Institute for Social Research
Correspondence: Graves at Nyala / Mrs Jerominsky Graves at Nyala / Captain Stairs Graves at Nyala / Abandoned Bomas: Magoye Graves at Nyala / The Fate of 'Tou Tou'
Book Reviews
Those maps hit the spot, Arthur, well done to you and the contributors.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer — Click here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 12:40:56 (UTC)
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Wayne Milward, David Greenslade
Happy Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) — Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 10:56:43 (UTC)
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Arthur
Thanks for the great maps, especialy of Lusaka and Ndola. They certainly bring back some memories.
Dawie
When you do the Mufulira map it would be greatly appreciated if you could include Murundu plots on the Mokambo road and maybe even Mutundu plots on the Ndola road.
I am not the only Murundu bandit on the GNR.
Heather
A belated happy birthday! Are you still 29? Seems to be a sticking point for many ladies.
Thanks to all of you for your efforts.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar — Click here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 09:55:09 (UTC)
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Arthur, Hartley & Lynda,
Its been a long lurk but the map of Lusaka was priceless and worth the wait.The other items were equally good. Now all I have to do is print off the map. I had fun trying to guess the new names.
It bought back many happy memories and after all these years my recollections where reasonably accurate.My happiest memory was of the Woodpecker Inn where I stood on the outside wall with the likes of Dolfie (?) Holm, maybe Neville Isdell and Rob Carr and saw Miss X reveal her charms.
The recent recollections of Chilanga Golf Course was fabulous.I witnessed an errant golf ball clear a waiters tray of bottles and glasses. Best part was the ball bounced down onto the green about 4 feet from the pin!
Heather. Thanks for the birthday wishes and my regards to your folks.
Cheers
Ron Sayer — Click here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 04:02:34 (UTC)
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Northerners !
As promised, here are some maps. Please bear in mind that although tiny in comparison to those that are on my PC, these images are quite large and will take time to download for those of you who are on dial-up internet connections.
Ndola Map
Original dated 1961 (3.16 inches to the mile) from the Department of Federal Surveys.
As those of you who will have seen on the first Luanshya Map I posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 23:02:02 (UTC) the original map, although pristine, had creases along natural folds and this was quite evident on the image, this was despite having both my secretaries sit on the lid of my scanner to flatten them out.
I have worked on the maps to remove these creases in the map digitally and also made further improvements. I have not finished completely with the maps, some parts need re-alignment which I will get round to in time.
I corresponded with Dave Cooper a few days ago, he also has a copy of the Kitwe/Chingola/Mufulira map so most of the Copperbelt towns are now "on the map". Dave is going to start soon on converting those maps to the same format as the existing Kitwe map. This is highly intensive work and may take quite some time, so I may also post up the Mufulira and Chingola map in jpeg an interim stop-gap.
Luanshya Map - re-worked.
Original map courtesy of Peter Hills
The original map has Ndola and Luanshya combined on one sheet and I have saved an "unimproved" version for those who would prefer to see the map "as is". I will let you all know when I have put the maps on CD Rom in high resolution images for those interested.
The interest in the Luanshya map and my posting brought this extra bonus.
Lusaka Map - circa 1965
Original map courtesy of Lynda Fielder
The map was from a photocopy taken from a Shell Road Map which again has been digitally re-worked. In time I will make finer adjustments and Heather may be allowed to colour it in.
This was also with the map
Lusaka Welcomes You - with the compliments of The Lusaka Information Centre.
THE BARN: 11½ miles along Great East Road, Teas, Refreshments, Swimming, Bar, Caravan Site by arrangement.
BLUE BOAR COUNTRY HOTEL: 5 miles on the Kafue Road to turn-off on right, 3 miles from turn-off to Hotel, Swimming, Teas, Refreshments, Lunches, Dinner/Dancing and Bar
CHONGWE RIVER: 30 miles along the Great East Road, Fishing and Picnic spots.
IOLANDA: 32 miles along Kafue Road to turn off, 3 miles from turn-off. Fishing Spots, Mooring facilities and camping sites by arrangement only. Entrance 5s per car per day.
KAFUE GORGE: 5½ miles past Kafue Bridge. Turn-off to left, drive 13.2 miles. Walk ¼ mile to Gorge or go along old Kafue Road. Fishermans Arms Club.
LIDO: 5 miles on Kafue Road next to Drive-In Cinema, Swimming pool and Childrens Playground, Trampolines, Go-Kart Circuit, Crazy Golf, Teas, Luncheons, Dinner -- Mermaid Bar.
LONGRIDGE DAM: 12 miles on Kafue Road, turn-off on left. Fishing and Picnic Spots.
MUNDA WANGA: 11 miles on Kafue Road, Private Botanical Gardens, Wild Life Orphanage, Picnic Spots, Snake Park, Table Tennis, Swimming Pool, Kiddies Pool and Soft Drinks Bar open at weekend and public holidays.
Open -- Weekdays 9 a.m. to 6 p.m.
Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holidays 9 a.m. to 6.30 p.m.
Admission Charges: Adults 2/6d, Children 1/-
MOUNT MAKULU CENTRAL RESEARCH STATION: Chilanga, Welcomes Visitors, Various sections including Chemistry, Plant Breeding and Land Use Section
WOODPECKER INN AND WOODY NOOK: 4½ miles along Independence Avenue, Lunches, Dinners and Dancing.
Coincidentally I received a "Lusaka Golden Jubilee - 1913 to 1963 Souvenir Booklet just as the map came in.
A few photos taken from the Booklet - I will also post some more later this month.
Booklet courtesy of Hartley Heaton
I would like to get hold of copies of 1950/60's Broken Hill and Livingstone maps, seriously. If anyone has a copy to loan please get in touch.
Arthur
Linda
The beach babe?
Please direct any complaints about the postcard to the ex-Northern Rhodesian Police force - they apparently supplied all the photos which were taken from their surveillance archives. Chris Cantrell was a bobby in BH.
Mr Green
Report to the Headmasters Office immediately upon your return. Thank you.
Linda Burns
Please also note the spelling of my first name, but seeing both you and Heather Knowles went to Frederick Knapp I suppose I will have to make allowances.
Arthur
Hi Arthur,
I called this one "Early Morning Run"
"You're not my mum"
"My Mum's bigger than you"
Hope you are keeping well,
Regards,
Mike Wilson
Kathy Watson,
Another exciting moment for me! The Marymount photo! I don’t think I was in your photo....but this one is 1972!
I am in the 2nd row 9th person in from the right! You must be in this photo too? I do recognize the Storry twins in front row of both photos!
Debbie Stewart
Kamloops British Columbia
Canada
Hello Arthur, I also have this photo of Marymount College.
It was taken from behind, standing on Cross Kopje, which, if I recall is a memorial to those who served and fell in the war. The building in the bottom right hand corner was the sick bay.
The mountain at the back of the picture is, I am alsmost certain, called Cecil Mountain. The buildings very top right was Carmel College for boys !! and the building between Carmel College and the sick bay was the Bishops home.
I could go on -
Kathy Watson
With all the recent talk about Bemba names for animals, I thought that this might be of interest.
I bought it in Kitwe last year at Parklands Shopping Centre from a street vendor. He told me that it came from Tanzania and it has some lovely spelling mistakes so who knows how accurate it is! There's also something very odd about the picture of the horse...
I love it anyway and wear it with pride!
Liz Downing
Re Photo of 1963 U14 rugby team posted by Ms Eldridge.
It is in fact 1964 and I am the boy top left, Mr Wylie is the coach. As an infrequent poster I was very surprised to see myself on screen!!
David Russell
Thanks again to everyone involved for your fantastic support and contributions.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens — Click here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 02:43:15 (UTC)
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HEATHER
Happy Birthday for yesterday and today I agree with
Fiona, why not celebrate both days !!!, also thanks for the work you do for the GNR.
lots of love
Ali Key
Ali Key — Click here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 02:38:38 (UTC)
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Well I have 5 hours to go till the month ends ; so I would like to wish Heather a very happy birthday and to thank her for allowing us to see her genuine affection for the country we grew up in , her photos and narratives cannot be bettered .
Doug Waybush — Click here to contact me
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, March 01, 2003 at 00:28:49 (UTC)
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