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Dave and the GNR,

Happy birthday to you both.

Important Message: GNR Site will be off-line for several hours today

The site will be undergoing a major upgrade later today and all areas of the site will be unavailable for up to several hours. Details will be available once the site is taken off-line.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 22:01:20 (UTC)


Thanks Paudie,

An interesting site.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 17:55:01 (UTC)


I see the mention of guys running all over S.A. for various reasons. Like Doug Grewar, Im now more of a couch potato but, Doug! sheees around the block in your bakkie?
Does anyone recall the days of the "110 MILE March". I think it was started by some SAS types in Pommieland and hit the colonies with a bang. At one point I decided that I was going to do it. Around the Cpooerbelt. Mufulira to Ndola turnoff, to Kitwe and back.
Took off one evening, lumbered with brothers Jan and Bob. Walked through the night along the Muf-Ndola road. Rain and cold. Villagers, in the early morning, looked askance at these mulungus walking along. One of us got cramps. By the turnoff, I was "turned off" and we all hitched home. Never did it.
Oh well, went on to other things.
But we were young then. Now its a major expedition to walk around the farm.
Naaah, not really, but 14 years of skdiving knees would probably put paid to another attempt today.
Anyone ever do it??
By the way, Dawie Heppy birfday for your site!
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 16:13:56 (UTC)


Have now updated my address

Heather we are in process of costing trip to Zambia
Sorry for the long delay, but arriving in UK and settling in has been a busy experience!! eeeeeek.



Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Newport South Wales, United Kingdom
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 11:49:53 (UTC)


WE received this message today, and post it on the GNR
for the information of all people who knew Big Dougie.

Graham and Fiona
PS we need to update as we are now in NEWPORT SOUTH WALES

I heard today at Plymouth Albion that Dougie Bowden died a fortnight ago and was buried last week.

Dougie played for Albion probably in the 50's if not the 40's and represented either Cornwall or Devon, well before his illustrious career at Nchanga.
Despite the 30 plus years difference between Dougie and myself I accompanied him in the second row for the Thirds and Fourths on many occations. I was also on the wrong end of many of his dreadful refereeing decisions when he eventual gave up playing.

After his world travels Dougie settle down back in Plymouth. Up until ill health took its toll over the last couple of years, Dougie could be found every morning of the year taking a swim in Plymouth Sound. In summer he would then play bowls on the hoe. With his beard and stature Dougie resembled the Drake statue that stands on the hoe, and like Drake he was a true west country man.

And of course he was a true Nchanga man.

Br Paul Lister

Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits)Click here to contact me
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 11:44:25 (UTC)


To the founders,
Sincere congratulations on the sites birthday, I only discovered it by accident while browsing for Zambia, and found "Lowdown", after contacting Heather she referred me to GNR. This was about two years ago.It is a daily ritual to visit the site after my diary, and medication, long may it continue. I also visited the link to Tim Berners Lee, and further links from that site, very interesting, I really think that I should have known that.
I always thought that the web had been set up by the American military? We have had six weeks of brilliant sunshine, but the north sea has barely been above 10*C. And it is now raining very heavily, the gardens are desperate for it. Hope you are all well, and Jimmy Churchill are you back "home" safe and well??
Arthur, Keep up the good work, I really look forward to the pictures you post, and I must send you some of mine.
Regards barribee.

Barrie BraidfordClick here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 07:13:23 (UTC)



Charles did you have to mention that shooting trip, and the biltong, you have sadistic tendencies, any pics of the shoot? In deep depression Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, April 28, 2003 at 06:44:39 (UTC)


Doug Grewar

The man who invented the WWW is Tim Berners-Lee.

However Dave Cooper went further and invented the GNR !

Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 21:29:41 (UTC)


Dawie
All right, I'll bite! Who is Tim Berners Lee who is not listed in the names directory?

Charles
These people who run long distances astonish me. I am a typical couch potato who will jump in the car and drive around the block instead of walking across the road. Aren't such exertions against the Northern Rhodesian constitution or something?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 20:33:36 (UTC)


Dawie
All right, I'll bite! Who is Tim Berners Lee who is not listed in the names directory?

Charles
These people who run long distances astonish me. I am a typical couch potato who will jump in the car and drive around the block instead of walking across the road. Aren't such exertions agains't the Northern Rhodesian constitution or something?

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 20:31:22 (UTC)


Oh boy!
Another tough day in Africa!
I mowed the lawn, watered the garden -- and then made a braai. Who remembers eating hot onions that’ve been dropped in the coals? I’m sure no onion tastes sweeter.
Now I sit with a stick of Gemsbok biltong, battling with a blunt knife. Yes Johnny -- knives don’t get blunt unless you use them!
Peter D .... Don’t be so hard on Arthur! He grew up on Kafue water - not Mulungushi water! He’s obviously concerned about the amount of lead in our pencils. Do you recall Peter Erasmus? He lives within a ½ click from me.
Beth L... you say the sweetest things! I must confess -- I forgot it was also Dave’s birthday on the 18th. Please wish him all the best. My B-in-Ls had planned a major shoot for me -- doing all those things that Johnny G hates! A good weekend overall.
Ian Singer... I received a call a few weeks back from a gentleman called Percy Rowe. He has the record for shooting the largest croc in the world -- 16’ -- in Lake Nyasa. I have read news articles about another croc hunter shooting 22’ -- but that’s what I refer to as "stretching a croc’s tale". I thought you midht like to let our 'friend in France' know.
Doug Grewar... My B-in-L (when he was 30) ran from Cape Towm to Durban raising money for the Cancer Assoc. 10 years later, he ran the reurn trip - now he's grown up (despite the tongue in cheek - a stout effort on Bundu's behalf).
regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 17:51:16 (UTC)


There are 2 guys in South Africa who are going to run 2300Km in 57 days starting with the 2 Oceans Marathon in Capetown and finishing with the Comrades Marathon in Durban.
They will run cross coutry between the 2 marathons on back road passing through such famous places as Vrolijkheid and Die Hel. (Happiness & Hell). Check it out on
http://www.crosskaroo.com/

Another interesting site about an ecolgical consevation area is Makulu Makete - Great Spirit of the Trees. It is at
http://www.makulumakete.com/

Happy browsing!

Cheers - Doug



Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 16:46:49 (UTC)


Happy Birthday Dawie.

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 13:32:08 (UTC)


N O R T H E R N E R S!

I have but ONE thing to say about the SEVENTH anniversary of the GREAT NORTH ROAD website:

THANK YOU TIM BERNERS-LEE


And I have one to say to everyone who uses this website or any website: You should all know who this person is. And you should thank him most heartily, even though he is British!

Groetjes...

Dave CooperClick here to contact me
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 13:21:37 (UTC)


Swazi radio was getting good coverage from their correspondent in Bagdad on the Iraq War, until it was found that he was reporting from a broom cupboard in Mbabane.

Not so brave but more sensible than those who actually went to Bagdad.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 13:02:50 (UTC)


Happy Birthday Dawie.

Some news from Africa.

South African Police hire private security gaurds to protect police stations. They obviously can't rely on themselves to protect themselves.

King Maswati of Swaziland says democracy is just a fashion that does not suit Swaziland.

An impostor of King Maswati has been discovered who has been driving around with a motorcade for some years collecting tribute etc. How he could get away with this in such a small country is amazing.

Swazi elders have rejected the use of donated mosquito nets because they will make pregnant women miscarry.??! I disagree. We already have too many people already so all types of birth control are welcome.??!

Teflon coated Winnie Mandela, the mugger of the nation, bites the dust at last - maybe! After being found guilty of multiple charges of fraud she has been sentenced to 5 years jail, 1 year suspended, and 3 years 4 months commuted to community service. This works out to 8 months jail time, but I doubt she will ever serve it. She wasn't even charged with the murder of the 13 year old Stompie Sepai many years back only with kidnapping him for which she paid an R8000 fine.

The Rand continues to improve against the Pound, Dollar and Euro.

Nkosazana Zuma, the South African foriegn minister, says South Africa will never, never criticize Mugabe.

Libya is elected to the chair of the UN Human Rights Commission. Yes Libya! Mama Giraffe's mob. This same body
using the African votes led by our own mini - mugs has rejected a European led proposal to criticize Mugabe for human right transgressions.

Isn't Democracy wonderfull? All I can say is Bayete Nkosi! Viva Maswati!

A beggar in Benoni yesterday annoyed 4 men in a car so much that they took him to the bush and cut off his private parts. Bit drastic! Another form of birth control? At least this beggar won't be producing any more beggars and in future he will be much more polite when asking for money in his high pitched voice.

Autumn is here. Only 21c today.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 11:15:40 (UTC)


Northerners !

Dave's and the GNR's birthday is tomorrow, I posted my message now as he's home today but will be away for the rest of the week again on his language course and communication with the outside world is not allowed.

Sounds like home from home.

Arthur




Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 09:26:16 (UTC)


Happy Birthday, Dawid the Founder !

On this day, the seventh birthday of the GNR !

Groan

Arthur



Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 09:10:55 (UTC)


Dave Cooper
Thanks for your positive comments. You are in Amsterdam? I have a very dear friend there Ad Hodyk and his wife. I have visited them twice at their home outside Amsterdam. He was my favorite Math teacher when he taught me at Chizongwe Secondary School in Chipata from 1968 up to about 1970. I have loved math since that year. We became very good friends as we worked on some projects together outside the classroom. His wife taught at St. Monica's Secondary School. He would love to hear from you and GNR. I will forward your e-mail to him although I have not heard from him in over a year. He visits Zambia and Chipata from time to time.

Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Saturday, April 26, 2003 at 16:15:33 (UTC)


Roy Tibbit, Terry Farmer

Happy Birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, April 26, 2003 at 12:50:01 (UTC)


Mwizenge

Where I live now there is a freight train line about a mile distant. While trains are infrequent I love the haunting sound of the distant whistle in the night hours. Now there are your lovely images of train travel to go along with the sound.

Like so many my mother and I came out to Africa by Union Castle and came up from the Cape by train. For us this was in 1956. I loved to spend the day on the top bunk where you could look out the window by drooping your head over the edge of the bunk. Stations were lively with vendors crowding the windows. (A while back I found the cleverly crafted basket-woven dolls tea set bought on the train on that trip. It was in my parents' home in England. Now my stepdaughter has it for my granddaughter. It is prized by both). Dad met us in Bulawayo and joined us on the train to Lusaka. Dad had flown out to Lusaka a few months earlier(interestingly first into Ndola where he cleared customs and then by C.A.A. Dakota to Lusaka). The Viscount was used on Salisbury runs wasn't it folks?)




Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 23:12:35 (UTC)


Heather,Craig Hartnett
"What is Your Name?: Tumbuka, Chewa, Ngoni, Nsenga, and Tonga Traditional Names".
A study was conducted in the Eastern and Southern Provinces of Zambia to investigate the meaning of Zambian traditional names. A total of 323 respondents from a total of 26 villages were asked to describe baby-naming customs, identify traditional names and explain the meanings of the names, the circumstances of naming and whether the name is used to name females, males or both. All the information has been compiled into a 114 page book manuscript that describes the naming customs of newly born babies and an identification of names from the Tumbuka, Chewa, Ngoni, Nsenga people of Eastern Zambia and the Tonga of Southern Zambia. There were a total of 571 traditional names from Eastern Zambia and 312 traditional Tonga names from Southern Zambia. The study was conducted from 1980 to 2000. One research field trip was made to Choma and the Gwembe Valley in 1988 and three trips to Eastern Zambia in 1980 and 1985. This was the time the author was working at the Institute of African Studies of the University of Zambia. During the 1993 field trip to Eastern Zambia the author was working at Bridgewater College.
The manuscript identifies ten most popular names from the Eastern Province and the Tonga from Southern Province. For those who have pets, the appendix includes a 2-page compilation of dog names and their meanings from Eastern Zambia. Ideally, the author would like the book to be published and made available at all maternity wards in hospitals in Zambia so that potential parents can use the book to choose baby names. If you can publish the book or know of any publishers who might be interested, let me know immediately. The manuscript is ready be sent immediately.


Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 22:38:52 (UTC)


CJ
Who was your cousin Vivian who was teaching at UNZA? Was he/she in natural sciences or the humanities & social sciences.

Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 21:23:37 (UTC)


Peter

I deeply appreciate and abide by your love for the place but you would think they could have fixed that Hill by now eh?

Peter and Artie

I am sending you both some of my muti by fast runner. I had to ignore Ted who said: "Please take it personally" and even seemed to want to assist with the packing. Fond Sigh you see he is always thinking of me!

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 18:31:32 (UTC)


Tina

What mutu are you on ?

Peter

Some people are never satisfied, I agreed to make your town part of the Universe and heaped the title of Black Hole on your little dorp but now I get nothing but back chat in return.

I read that exposure to lead in the water causes severe memory loss but I did not know that it also had powerful hallucinatory powers.

Yeah I heard about the lead mine, the old bones, the big tree stump and even saw the petrol pump myself. But how can that compare to Nkana with its multiple gigantic slimes dams and glowing slag heap ? And who else can be more famous than our Dave ? - without the brilliance of this Nkana boy you would have no Great North Road.(The Founder is away on a language course just now and no doubt will have a few choice new words to use on you lot when he returns).

Having received a four measly photos over the last two years and no sign of a proper map I can only think the worst - that you lot are all woolley imposters from the Outback.

Mwizenge

The reason for a "railhead" at Broken Hill was probably because all the sleepers were acquired by the few inhabitants for firewood. They eventually broke through when the concrete version was invented to solve the problem.

Craig - pull the plug and send them back down-under!


Arthur

Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 16:46:32 (UTC)


CJ, Charlie, Tina, Arthur
When I was a young punk in Form II at Chizongwe Secondary School in Chapata in the mid 1960s, I never knew that I would be teaching about the Broken Hill man in my anthroplogy class here in America today. That was never my dream. My memories of Broken Hill/Kabwe are very vivid. I first visited Broken Hill in 1967 with my dad. My uncle worked in the town and lived "kumayadi" just nest to train trucks. So we visited them. We rode the train from Broken Hill to Kitwe at 4:00 am. So we spent the night at the railway station. At that time, Broken Hill was a major railway "headquarters" because the shunting by half a dozen engines was constantly noisy and going on all night. The romantic sounds of the last steam engines, the loud whistles that pierced the dark night with hazy street lights, still ring in my head to this day. There was a small "hill" behind the railway lines opposite the station. Is this where they found the skull of the Broken Hill man? I wondered about this at that time since we were already learning about this in our African history classes. The train ride from Broken Hill to Kitwe was the most memorable. The steam engine chugged along, whistled as we rode through farms, scattered savannah trees and grass valleys, and stopped to buy guavas, egg sandwisches, cocacola, scones, vitumbuwa while leaning from our third or fourth class windows to sellers on the ground. That was the last of the steam engines. I did ride the new diesel-engine trains after that from Livingstone to the Copperbelt. But it was never the same without that steam engine. I know it contriubted to thick pollution from the black smoke fumes from burning coal. When I tell stories here to audiences and children I still describe the "steam engine train" and that memorable ride. If some of you lisetend to the home service of radio Zambia in the early 1960s, you may remember a famous song from the Senga of Petauke about the train. The second verse of the song goes like this:

Nayima Nayima Newo Nayima
Nayima Nkaone njanje ningafwe
Osayiwona Mayeee Eeeeehhhh!!!

"I am leaving on a journey
To see the train before I die."

By the way Alick Nkhata sung this song and there isa CD that I bought several years ago. I have listened to it since then.

My formative years have been in so many places; but Chizongwe Secondary School in Chipata is probably the one that had the most impact on my life. This was a boys secondary school. My class mates and I and anyone who is from Chizongwe will remember that dating and walking in the streets of Chipata on Saturday morning with those gorgeous girls from St. Monica's Secondary School was the coolest thing. Almost 30 years later, many classmates including my friend who is now an Aircraft Maintanance Engineer in Lusaka, still falls in love with any woman who wears a white blouse and blue skirt i.e St. Monica's Girls School uniform. We all wish we had married a girl from St. Monica's. Shhhh, don't tell my wife in case she already doesn't know. My wife is not from St. Monica's. Not too many of my classmates married our girl friends from St. Monica's. You should know that when a girl is 17 years old and the boy is also 17 years old, the girl is usually much more mature. So she marries someone older. Well, I hope this gives you some ideas about where my mind was during those formative years!!
Incidentally, there was the most impressionable Headmaster at Chizongwe Secondary school; Mr. J. S Mei who was a South African colored. Anyone who was at Chizongwe at the time has some fond memories and perhaps some not so fond memories of him. He was well liked. I have never known anyone who exumed such self confidence and tremendous sense of humor. He made some of our white teachers from Europe weep when he narrated his horendous experiences living under apartheid as a young colored boy growing up in South Africa. Would anyone know Mr. J.S Mei or may be his family in South Africa? He was at Chizongwe from 1966 to about 1969?!

Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 16:30:05 (UTC)


GERAINT PHILLIPS.
nice suprise hearing from you,stephen & verity + 2 are fine i didnt know that sandy came from Mkushi, in fact i didnt think anyone came from there, its as bad as coming from broken hill, oh does anyone remeber Kath & Dusty Rhodes from brokenhill, aunt Kath worked in the hospital & Dusty worked for the railways, in the 50s & 60s

Terry HuntClick here to contact me
Randburg, South Africa
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 15:32:17 (UTC)


Irvine Jameson, Carl Paterson, Tony Lawrence

Happy Birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 12:47:14 (UTC)


Tina and Arthur....

Bite your tongues!!!!!!!!!

Broken Hill is, will be and ALWAYS has been the centre of the Universe. It has the most intelligent beautiful women, the most intelligent and cutest men (note the word intelligent appears twice here...) and our skull is world famous. I mean who has ever heard of Nkana - with my apologies to our esteemed founder.....

Even at our neighbours bar - Indaba - it is accepted that Broken Hill is the centre of the universe and not Que Que!

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 08:24:25 (UTC)


Charlie and Shelagh,

A very belated Happy Birthday to the two of you. I'd forgotten you were the same day as Daffy, Charlie, how come we get on so well?

GNR reunion in September.

I was listening to the radio this morning and caught the tail end of a travel expo to be held at the Sandton Convention Centre, promising incredible discounts etc etc. (Missed the date, but think it could be this weekend).

Is there anyone out there who would like to join me at the expo, and maybe we'd meet up with a travel agent who could give us "South Africans" a good deal - as currently, the prices I'm receiving are horrific?

I have photos of my Mom with Chiripula - shall send them to you Charlie, if I may, and you can put them on the web. She had a wonderful afternoon, drinking tea with him and the princess.

Have a great weekend everyone.



Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson)Click here to contact me
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 06:46:39 (UTC)


Errata in message below:

For "neucleus is big enough" read "molecule is already tiny". For "brain" read "lacking concentration". But I'm sure you get the general drift.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 01:07:34 (UTC)



Dangerous, I know, but I was idly thinking again and it resulted in the following hypothesis*.

When we are talking Universe, Zambia itself is quite small enough without getting into towns - that's sort of splitting atoms when the nucleus is big enough as it is. So obviously Zambia is the center of the Universe and all parts of it are therefore equally eligible.

*Hypotheses are usually but not always documents created by bored hyppos looking to graduate from the Kafue and Luangwa to the Zambezi. Oh dear, out of my medicine again. Must go and pick some up.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Friday, April 25, 2003 at 00:27:52 (UTC)


Charlie

Until I get a map of Broken Hill (Northern Rhodesia) for the site how can anyone believe it really ever existed ?

Therefore we must all assume you are an Australian until you can come up with the goods.

Time for a rummage in you luggage.

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 22:20:43 (UTC)


Mwizenge Tembo....
Not bad for a Virginian. Not bad at all! Thanks you for a most informative response. And to think that Arthur almost had me banned from this site because I believe that "Broken Hill/Kabwe is the 'Centre of the Known Universe'".
I've just read Ian Singer's last site update of the "NR Journal" with a tribute to JS's funeral. Apart from JS's name - the only other names I recognize are David Brooks, Metcalf-Waltons, Cruikshank and Andrew Thatcher (Arthur - for your personal info - all from BH). Mwizenge - where did you spend your formative years?
Johnny G....
You would've hated every minute of how I spent my birthday!
Regards
CJ



Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 21:42:21 (UTC)


Charles, Victor
Regarding how the name "Chirupula" may have been derived. "rupula" is a verb in Nyanja, Tumbuka, Chewa, that means "to thrash or beat up someone thoroughly". The victim may have bruises all over, cuts, blood, broken body parts etc. This is very different from a normal middle of the run beating. "Chi" is the prefix that turns the verb "rupula" into a noun or the name: "Chirupula". Caution must be used though in interpreting the origin of the name or any name literally. Sometimes the use of the name "Chirupula" may have been used in a metaphorical sense. i.e he may never have actually inflicted actual serious harm on individuals but it could have been a mere reputation of his fierce character. On the other hand, it may be actually true that he did beat up, or shambock people or someone thoroughly. For example, it is not unusual in everyday conversation when someone who is angry at someone to threaten and to say: "Nizakurupula!!!" "I will beat you up throughly". Often, they don't really mean but its only a manner of speech.

Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 20:41:21 (UTC)


Hello Heather, Ron, Alix, Johnny G, Arthur .... et al .....
Thank’s for all the kind birthday wishes last Friday. I apologise for not responding earlier, but I took the opportunity to visit my parents in Mossel Bay over the Easter weekend. It was great having the whole family together again.
Cousin Shelagh -- a belated birthday greeting for the 19th.
Victor -- your current speculation on the derivation of "Chirupula" got me thinking (and maybe Mwizenge Tembo can help us here). We know from JS’s books that he got this title from having some rural chiefs thrashed on behalf of the tardiness of their men. "Pula" means "rain". I wonder if it’s not a reference to the way the punishement was meted out -- something like: "the ‘chikoti’ (sjambok) fell like rain"! Many will recall the passbook called "isistupha". How many of us know that "isistupha", in Zulu, means "thumb"? An obvious reference to the bearer’s thumbprint on his passbook. Ironically enough, my firearms licenses bear thumbprints. They’re all identical, but I know they’re not mine -- not enough scars from decades of cutting biltong.
Arthur... I'll get back to you w.r.t. sorting out the "wrinkles"!
Regards


Charles CartmillClick here to contact me
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 14:37:44 (UTC)


I have just bounded into my abwana and called him my Chipeshamano. (Presumably you can use that term for either sex?) After receiving the explanation he was nice enough to say I confound his thinking too...(?)

What a lot of great wear we have got out of Linda's Dad's kapatula.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 05:33:43 (UTC)


Tina,
What are some of the favorite names Zambians call someone they love? Njabi was very popular in the late 1960s. There was an apparently scandalous song who lyrics included njabi which was eventually frowned down on. Chibamu was what Zambian Bemba men called women lovers. There was a song by the "Kasama Bantu Stars" sung in the early 1960s that included in the lyrics;"Na Chibamu chakwe basenda. Mwilasenda banakashi benu kuwarwa". My most favorite is when a man will call a woman he loves deeply: "Chipeshamano" meaning "one who confounds my thinking" or "one who obliterates all the sense I have". I think it feels that way when a man loves a woman so deeply.
One of the ones I find interesting is "Bwana" and "Dona" used to refer to the white man and woman of the house in the colonial days. But many Zambians have approprited this term now where "aBwana" refers to the husbands of man of the house and "Dona" refers to the wife or woman of the house as endearing terms. I miss the Lusaka conversations that go: "Kansi aDona banu balipo?" Is your Dona around?

Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 03:58:49 (UTC)


If you live in the Western world, you have seen many Hollywood romantic movies and read romantic novels, you probably believe one thing: the best way to express love and romantic feelings is through flowers, kisses, and especially a romantic dinner by candle light. You might also believe that love and romance may not exist in other non-Western cultures. After all, aren't marriages in these non-Western cultures miserable and practically between strangers since they are arranged? Nothing could be further from the truth. Not only do single young men and women have choices, romantic love often blooms. The only exception might be that the romantic love starts and is expressed differently from the West.
Take, for example, among the Tumbuka tribe of Eastern Zambia in Southern Africa. The single young women in the village are known as mbeta and they all sleep in the nthanganeni; a house or hut for young single women. On the other hand, young single men are known as jaha and they sleep in the mphala; a hut for single young men. When the time to seek a marriage partner comes, a jaha (young man) will dress at his best and walk often for miles to a village where he knows there is a particular mbeta; young woman he either knows or has heard about through the grape vine to be attractive and eligible for marriage. Once he arrives at the village, he is shown nthanganeni (single women's hut) and word quickly travels around that he has come, say for Jane. There is tremendous excitement in the village as children are sent and gleefully scramble to fetch Jane who might be bathing and drawing water at the river. Once Jane learns that there is a Jaha waiting for her in the nthanganeni, she goes boncous with sheer excitement and anticipation. How is she going to do her hair. What dress will she wear? Is he handsome? Will she like him?
Once the two see each other and if their chemistry is just right, it might be love at first sight in which case electrical sparks will fly. But quite often they may find there is no mutual attraction and either one of them could back off. But if there is attraction and she accepts the proposal, the period of romantic love and courtship begins. This is the period of romantic love which is full of drama and has many legendary stories among the Tumbuka people.
Because the two lovers cannot stand being away from each other, there have been kusomphola (elopements). Depending on the distance between the villages, he might visit her practically everyday. The two of them are allowed to spend hours alone in the nthanganeni (single young women's hut). Meals, often of nshima with delicious chicken, are served to the two lovers by the woman's family. Since any sex is taboo before marriage, the romance is even more intense and blissful. Stories say that lovers stare and gaze into each other's eyes lovingly, smile, act silly with one another, and playfully feed each other. Passers-by can hear loud hearty laughter, conversations in low tones, giggling, and silence. Giggling, noisy, and snoopy kids are shooed away from outside the hut so that the couple can have privacy. When the man departs later in the evening, she escorts him. The lovers might exchange chikole; a personal possession as a symbol of commitment and love for one another. The woman might give him her bangle, bracelet, her ear ring, her scarf, and perhaps traditionally most intimate, one strand of brightly colored beads from inside her waist. The man might give her his white well pressed handkerchief, or a chithumwa (small charm or love object he made he might always carry in his pocket)
Among the Tumbuka, romantically involved young women are known to become absent minded, to stare blankly into space, to lose appetite, to be tearful and lonesome. Some young women compose songs dedicated to their lover. The women sing the song while pounding corn with a pestle and mortar. Young men in love might be miserable and restless everyday and can't wait to travel to the other village to visit their lover. They might persuade their lover to elope in defiance of custom and elders. The romantic lovers are teased by their friends and relatives.


Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 03:28:43 (UTC)


For those with 35mm slides...

Our local Wall-Mart one hour phto charges $9.97 canadian - about $7:00us - to copy up to 40 35mm slides to a CD. Similar prices for photos. I think this is a real bargain.

You may want to check out your local Wall-Mart for prices.

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 20:53:21 (UTC)


Victor
Loti was Chirupula's first or number 1 wife. In his biography 'Jungle Pathfinder' I can't recall that it mentioned her being a princess. His second wife was Mwape Chiwali a real Lala Princess.

Anyone interested in buying a copy of 'Jungle Pathfinder' by Kathaleen Stevens Rukavina should go to www.abebooks.com where they will find several copies available from as little as US$7.50. I wish I had found abebooks before I bought my copy from Atlanta Vintage books for US$35. I personally enjoyed the book and can heartily recommend it.

I am still waiting for further quotes from travel agents for the Livingstone Lark. With the Rand appreciating over the last few months from over R12 to R7.50 to the US$ we may be able to get a lower price.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 19:21:22 (UTC)


I wonder if anyone knows of a Kasisi Mission (Catholic nuns of the Dominican Order)just outside Lusaka, it was/is a Roman Catholic mission. I remember going there as a little boy of 7 (1951) to spend weekends whilst my father used to teach the locals motor mechanics repairs. Has anyone any pictures, items or experences of the mission.I used to go there with a polish priest named Father Walchak who I believe was killed tragically in Lusaka some 20 years ago ???

George TokarczykClick here to contact me
Boksburg, South Africa
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 16:45:30 (UTC)


Regarding J.E.Stephenson (Chirupula). We have a signed copy of his book"Chirupula's Tale" ( published 1937).
In this book he tells us that the name had two-three meanings. "the one who belabours"
"the one who beats"
"the one who beats hard".

He first became aware of his nickname in Lalaland following a case which came before him of a man who was accused of brutally beating his wife. Stephenson sentenced the man to ' twelve of the best' across bare buttocks. The Askari Corporal ( having been bribed) tried to get JES to lessen the sentence. Stephenson replied " make it twelve strokes good and hard, OR I'll have to make up any short measure on YOUR bare behind"!

It was some time after this episode that JES became aware of his nickname.

On another page Chirupula says he name could also mean ' the smiter'.
JES tells us about his African wife originally from Dedza, Ngoniland where she was known as Loti ( real name Chisimongana) and she was a Ngona Princess. She and JES married in Blantyre.

Victor DawsonClick here to contact me
Blockhouse Bay Auckland, New Zealand
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 08:43:46 (UTC)


Peter Siderman

Happy Birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 05:38:53 (UTC)


Mwizenge

I see you've got a great topic going right out of the starting gate. Interesting info!

Heather

Really absorbing. And hope you can get all the tribes to send their stuff in soon.

What are sweet things to call your honey in any of the Zambian languages? Also can you tell within the country where someone comes from by accent as well as language? Iceland is the only country I know of that claims not to have developed different accents in different areas even though many areas were isolated from eachother in the winter months.

George

As long as it's an anorak you are hiding under and not a mac. Here one thinks of a big mac as pseudo-food, there besides rainwear it's more fun to see a big Mac as the bloke to hide behind in a Scottish pub fight or every lass's braw hairy-chested dream - though for Gill that might be a Lekker Mac. Re. Gaelic - Also the foreigner has considerations of Scottish or Irish pronunciation. Everyone has a fine opportunity to sound like the guy posing as a "Poloceman who spiks Fronch" in the English TV series "Allo! Allo!"

Bob Eglington

Your mum was patently both a very talented artist and a gorgeous mum. Thanks for sharing the painting and the story.

Ali

That reminds me - get painting, Mrs!

Artie in absentia

Thanks as always for your hard work. Hope they are biting like crazy.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 05:21:22 (UTC)


Heather:

Thanks for the absolutely fascinating posting about Zambian names, etc. I really enjoyed it! How do you say "chutney" in any of the Zambian languages? He! He! (Inside joke)

Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 21:47:57 (UTC)


South African on-line phone directory

I came across this link recently - it's the only one I've found that gives South African residential phone numbers.

Useful if trying to look up old friends in South Africa.

Paudie CoughlanClick here to contact me
Ireland
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 21:35:32 (UTC)


Trading on Ebay

I used to trade on Ebay but haven't tried to sell anything for a couple of years. My Ebay id is Kitweboy (OK, OK, I know that it is weak but it worked for me), several thousand people viewed the 120+ items that I sold, only one, a New York gallery owner spotted the Zambian connection.

African names

After giving up playing coarse rugby I took up nerdy hobbies, genealogy being one of them. In one of my genealogical searches I found a Zambia Maxwell in the USA in circa 1866. Other names in the family included Barbary Maxwell. I found this to be intriguing as I understood that Zambia was a new word coined for the creation of a new nation in 1964. Two names with African geographical links suggest that these were possibly slaves who had been given the Maxwell surname by an overseer of that ilk. Scottish names had many variations in spelling many of them only settling into a set format in the late 19th century, many were first written by English people trying to represent what they thought was being said (some people have now taken to the Gaelic spelling of their names, they make the names of Sri Lankan cricketers look easy peasy on the pronunciation front). I'm sure that this is also likely to be the case with African names, the spelling of Sakala might be similar but the pronuciation may be very different when comparing the sound of the Finish version with the Zambian version ... still this is an intersting topic for a nerd, I'll just put my anorak on while waiting for further entries on the names and naming traditions of Zambians.

George MaxwellClick here to contact me
Edinburgh, Scotland
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 21:02:08 (UTC)


Zikomo. That's a much more managable size now.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 09:34:35 (UTC)


Jurrah!

Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 09:16:39 (UTC)


Ooops. I guess I'm going to have to get on my hands and knees again and beg Craig to sort it out or me.

Craig

It's too big. And the wrong colour!!

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 08:44:50 (UTC)


Alister Watson, Janine Ligato, Alan Olivato, Glenn Gilchrist, Geoffrey Shaw

Happy Birthday





Don't forget the
Livingstone Lark
26th - 28th September 2003
Click on the link for full details.





Doug Grewar
Definite response so far on the Livingstone Lark is very poor - about three or four people only. But I have had enquiries from about 70 people.

The package from your travel agent is very good. The cheapest I could get from the Sun was $175 per person per day, which for three nights is approximately R 4,200 and that doesn't include air fares. I wish us locals could get packages like that from them.

The bus is no problem to organise - they have different size buses available and I can book it at fairly short notice.

Mwizenge Tembo
I have a little project going at the moment where I am working with a number of people to record the different beliefs, rituals, legends etc of the Zambian people. What is written will eventually be published. We have not agreed on the final format yet, but they will probably be done in small books that can be distributed to the schools. We feel this is very important as many of the children that are growing up in the towns today have become so divorced from their roots. The interesting thing though is that only the Lozi people that I have been in contact with have responded positively. The people from the other groups have all promised but have not delivered the goods yet.

But I digress. I would be more than happy to see what we can do about your book on traditional names and will email you direct.

On the subject of names, here are two articles which I have published (one in October 2001 and the other in January 2002) on names:

The Game Of The Name by David Simpson

"I was just passing through and wanted to contact a Zambian, any Zambian. Flipping through the phonebook, I came upon Sakala. I phoned the guy, only to find he was from the Middle East some place." This is a situation that Zambians abroad frequently experience. The phone book is full of names, but it is not always a reliable guide to the person behind the name. Similarly a Finnish visitor to Zambia a few years ago was astonished to find he had several namesakes here. His name was also Sakala. I am sure readers will be interested to learn that Kunda is the 50,907th most popular surname in the United States; its frequency is 0.000%, and its percentile is 86.069 [Source CBN].

But the Zambian abroad who phones Mr Kunda may well find he is actually from Slovakia, where it is also a popular name. There are many common Zambian names which crop up in other parts of the world, and many are the Zambians who have received bewildered responses to their phone calls.

In West Virginia (USA) a Zambian checking the phone book for hotels found a Holiday Inn that was managed by a Mr Robert Moonga. But he turned out to be an Indian.

Zambian names which have simple sequences of consonants and vowels are the ones which are most frequently found elsewhere.

For example Luo is Chinese, Chiti is an Italian surname and so are Zaza and Mutolo (which is Mozambican rather than Zambian, and is even less popular in the USA than Kunda). Sata is to be found in Hungary, and also Scandinavia and Japan, while Pule, which occurs in Malta and Cameroon, is also a South Pacific name found in Tonga and New Zealand.

People with the surname Chanda may be Zambians, or they may be among those whose origins have been traced to the Czech capital of Prague. Manda, Mando and Sandala are all Slovakian names, while Daka is to be found in Hungary. Miss Chona may actually come from the Philippines. On the other hand, some popular Zambian names may occur in West Africa. Chima is Nigerian and Mawere is Ghanaian.

Names which have more complex combinations of consonants are less likely to be found outside Africa. Such combinations as an initial "Mb-" or "Mw-" are typically Eastern or Southern African.

It may be amusing when UPND national chairman Henry Mtonga visits his home province in the East and is mistaken for a Tonga because of his surname. But it has serious implications too, since that party has sometimes been accused of being tribal.

There are other situations in which one's surname may cause one inconvenience. Travellers may find immigration officers
making unjustified assumptions about your nationality on the basis of the name in your passport, if your appearance differs from their idea of what a person of that name should look like. In Zambia today there have been cases of people who have fallen under suspicion simply on the basis of their names. If you want to inconvenience or remove an opponent, it is sometimes all too easy to claim he or she is not a Zambian.

South African Human Rights Commission representative Jody Kollapen says the commission is handling many cases of unjustified discrimination. "An alarming number of people get arrested due to arbitrary criteria -- skin pigmentation, accent or surname," she says. "If your surname is Banda, police assume you are Malawian. That's problematic."

And a Lusaka Zambian whose name resembles an Indian surname complained on ZNBC TV recently that she had been denied a bursary because the authorities thought she was Indian. The same problem had affected her when she applied for a job.
Another Zambian, the adopted daughter of another Zambian who is of English origin, recently had problems applying for a national registration card. The registration officer insisted on a Zambian name. The problem has been compounded by the fact that the girl now has a child whose father isunknown. All very well but the unofficial name could cause many problems later in life.

But the most alarming manifestation of this problem has been seen following the 11 September terrorist attack on the USA. People in the USA with Arabic-sounding names have been unjustly targeted for telephone abuse and even physical attacks. This is even though they may have been born in the USA and have been citizens of that country for many years. It reminds one of the Hitler years when people with Jewish names were singled out and attacked.

So examples abound. They may sometimes be amusing, and sometimes deadly serious, but the important lesson we have to learn from them is that we should not judge a person on the basis of external evidence alone. People are people, and names are merely convenient tags to help us distinguish one from another. We should do what we can to prevent them being taken in vain.


Names are Much More Than Identity Tags by Flexon M. Mizinga

It was interesting to read David Simpson’s article "The Game of the Name" in the October issue of the Lowdown. I agree with him that some of the names we think are typically Zambian are also found elsewhere. Until recently I had always thought my name Mizinga, which means constant falls, was only found among the Tonga of southern Zambia. When I inquired why my father was given this name I was told that he constantly fell when he was learning to walk. There is a similar name, Cizinga, among the Chewa people of eastern Zambia, which means gun. Last November I visited Fort Jesus in Mombassa, Kenya where I learnt that Mizinga means guns. But in Tanzania the same name means beehive.

However, I do not agree "names are merely convenient tags to help us distinguish one from another." A critical investigation reveals that names are much more than tags to carry an individual’s identity. Some names given to pets, for instance are meant to guide human conduct in society. In my article "Communication through Dogs’ Names" which was published in the SADCAMM News, 2, 1, 1996 I argued that some of the names the Tonga of southern Zambia give to their dogs were intended to convey specific messages. There are names intended to correct an individual’s undesirable behaviour or to win people’s sympathy, or to register a complaint about somebody or something. I gave an example a name like Munzi wabunjaka (Home or village of quarrelsome people). The people in the village are always quarrelling even on trivial issues and the person naming the dog is complaining about the state of affairs. In Lozi you find dogs’ names like Sabalumenyo which means do not be deceived by one’s smile. In Bemba you find names like Kanonibo which refers to selfish people.

A. W. Chitauka in his book Uli Muzubonzi [What is your Clan?] tells us that among the Tonga there are clan names such as Muntanga, Muchindu, Muzyamba and so on. When you meet someone with a clan surname you immediately know that person’s paternal lineage clan. Most of the clan names are derived from animal clans. For example Mudenda is elephant clan among the people of southern Zambia; so is Nsofu in northern Zambia and Dhlovu (or Njovu) in the eastern part of Zambia. Chitauka also tells us that there are names unique to a particular lineage. These give family cohesion and identity. For example if I meet someone called Katulo I would want to know more about him/her because there are chances that we are related. The belief in the existence of protective ancestral spirits also influences the naming of children at birth. Names of the deceased family members are given to the newly born not only for protection and blessing from the spirit of their departed ancestors but to perpetuate the family name as well.

There are names that are given to denote an occurrence that coincided with the birth of that person. Names like Chikwikwi (locusts) in Tonga denote that that person was born during the locusts' invasion. Nalishebo in Lozi denotes that one was born in a year when there was famine while Sililo and Malilwe in Lozi and Tonga respectively mean that one’s birth coincided with a funeral in the family or within the locality. If the family had difficulty in conceiving and had to undergo treatment before conceiving, they may give the baby a name like Michelo among the Tonga and Sitali among the Lozi . Others denote the time or season when one was born. For example, Busiku in Tonga and Wamuwi in Lozi denote that one was born at night while Mainza and Miyoba in Tonga indicate that one was born during the rainy season. Among the people of southern Zambia a baby who gets the name Nchimunya which means "as before" denotes that baby’s sex is the same as the sex of the previous one while Mutinta denotes that the baby has broken the sex line of the previous births in that family. Among some ethic groups in northern Zambia such as Mambwe, Namwanga and Lungu there are names that have gender connotations. Names like Sinyangwe, Sikazwe, Simusamba and Mulengo are for men while female names are prefixed with na as Nanyangwe, Nakazwe, Namusamba and Nalengo.

There are also historical names. Some people name their children to remember a historical episode or epoch. In the 1950s and 1960s it was common for people to give names of Zambia renown nationalists like Kaunda, Chona, Nkumbula, Kapwepwe, Munukayumbwa,Kamanga and many others to identify themselves with the liberation struggle. In the 1940's names like Hitler and Mussolini were given to remember the impact of the Second World War.

British colonialism had a remarkable influence on names found in Zambia today. Some local names were distorted. For example, when the railway line passed through a place then known as Munakalomo the name was shortened as Kalomo. Choma was originally Munzi wa kudima cooma derived from drumming because there were regular celebrations in that village. What is today Muzoka was originally Nabuzoka. Moonze lost one vowel and became Monze. The name Jembo Mission was derived from the original name jembe (big axe). The name Kariba was derived from the original name Kaliba which means trap in reference to the death of people when the bridge collapsed during the construction of the hydro electrical power at the Kariba Bridge in 1957. Kariba
Bridge was now viewed by the local people as a trap.

Christianity insisted on names of those believed to be saints before baptism. This sometimes symbolised acceptance of Jesus as personal saviour for one being baptised or one interceding for one being baptised. Some people gave forenames from the west to combine with local surnames as in Simon Mwelwa, Mary Samuhata, Richard Gondwe, Charles Mubita and so on. Some nice sounding English words were given as forenames as in Merit Mwanza, Memory Moonga, Pardon Chansa. There are those names given to denote emotional appreciation of the birth of a baby as in Precious Kakusa, Given Mbewe, Luck Mweene. Some western names were distorted by Africans. Names like Margaret, Paul, Catherine, Andrew were mispronounced as Mangalita, Paulu, Katalina, Andulo respectively.

In conclusion one can argue that in Zambia names are given to denote many cultural issues including the following: guiding human conduct; manifestation of family experience especially tragic occurrences; belief in the power of ancestral spirits; acceptance of Christianity; tracing one’s lineage; perpetuation of family names. There is a lot that we can learn from the names Zambians give to their children and pets.

Flexon M. Mizinga is the Director of Moto Moto Museum, Mbala


About the mission at Katete - one of my father's 'cousins' was a missionary at Katete, having arrived there in the early 20's or 30's. At the time, they walked from Broken Hill to Katete. She left in about 1967, returned to South Africa and died shortly after that. Her name was Lettie Swanepoel. The only time I met her was when she passed through Lusaka on her way back to South Africa, but she told us some interesting stories. But being on seven at the time, I don't remember any of them, just remember being absolutely spellbound by what she was telling us.

I have just pulled out the book 'Loanwords in Silozi, Cinyanja and Citonga' which is about words that have been taken from English (and a few other languages) and now form part of those languages. I used it for one of the April Fools article in the Lowdown. Epulelu is the word for April and Blulaifulu is bloody fool. But this book gives a number of names which have been adopted and adapted. In Lozi we have (amongst others) Filipi for Philip, Jemusi for James and Pitolosi for Peter. In Cinyanja, Kolina for Caroline, Chalesi for Charles and Joji for George. I shall have to type up a list of some of the words.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender)Click here to contact me
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 08:41:12 (UTC)


Guy Hobbs

Your memory is as sharp as ever Guy! By the way, that first movie shown at the Astra was "I Was a Male War Bride" with one of the main characters having to impersonate a female soldier. Can't recall the rest of the plot. Another point, and this is hearsay as I was a very late developer!!, but the place to be was the back row upstairs! The back row downstairs had a cross aisle behind it with too much traffic for comfort if you weren't watching the movie. Re watching movies more than once, I recall seeing "High Noon" three times in one day because I was fascinated by the movie's construction. So much for my misspent youth! Somewhere in my late Mom's things I have a copy of the commemorative programme for the Astra's opening - I will have to dig around and scan it in for the GNR.

Go well

David GrayClick here to contact me
South Africa
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 08:35:31 (UTC)


I have just spent most of this evening catching up on the Bulletin Board. Thanks to Terry Hunt for replying to my message about the Sporrting Club of Nkana/Italian Club.

What a wonderful lot of photographs and stories!

I was particularly intrigued by the history of the Mindola Dam and had forgotten that it was enlarged prior to our arrival in Kitwe. After the Muf disaster the Rokana management decided to check out the stability of the slimes comprising the Mindola dam wall, and asked us, the ZAMS geologists, to supply the labor to dig an inspection pit.

Normally our prospect pits were 27-33" in diameter, and anything up to 100 ft deep (60 feet was the legal max, but we were competitive and a little reckless). Small diameter holes like this required no shoring (in fact, in 1971 I dug a 2'x3' cross-cut 25 feet beneath the main railway line into SOB shaft, and forgot when working late that at 3.00 pm they would blast 450 feet directly beneath me. THAT was an interesting experience!). I'll send some pictures one day.

Anyway, these specs were too small and too dangerous for the mining engineers' test pit, and they insisted also on building a headgear so that they could lower a 5 foot diam. cylindrical steel liner into "their" pit. We had terrible trouble stopping the tailings running in beneath the cylinder, and what should have been a half-day job became a four day job. Finally all was ready and a young engineer went down, and promptly passed out from breathing CO2. This was a constant problem for us, too, but bunging a burning sheet of newspaper down our pits induced circulation and cured the problem. Not this time: the pit was too wide; it was also too narrow to get the fellow out of once he'd succumbed, and we had an awful few minutes.

The mine safety managament almost shut down exploration over that incident! Professional relations were also strained for a while, along the lines of "Those geologists are dangerously crazy" and "Never let an engineer get involved, the whole project will get messed up"!
John

John BerryClick here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 06:29:27 (UTC)


Peter,

Thanks for the travel tip. I must keep that in mind. Ten bucks to buy a piece of memorabilia to trade for an upgrade sounds like a brilliant idea to me. I have not done any buying or selling on eBay, but I did register a long time ago. A friend of mine used to (and plans to again) do a lot of buying and selling there, but I've never heard him talk of "sniping". I'd be interested in hearing about it via e-mail.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 00:43:40 (UTC)


I had a chance to browse through the GNR and I have been tremendously impressed with what I have seen. I have liked the discussion about Zambian indegenous names and nicknames. When my father was training as a teacher at Katete Teacher Training College in 1958, they were taught by a British man whose name was "Badinozi". The Zambians thought he had a "bad nose" or he called himself "Budnous". This was a Dutch Reformed Church Mission station. My father and mother recall having their best and happiest days when they were stationed at Katete and I may have been about 4 years old. They have very fond memories of the "whites" or muzungu they knew there as well as my father's African classmates. Does anyone know people who may have been at Katete Teacher Training College from 1957 to 1959? I would like to find out more about my parents' experiences. I have seen the only black and white photograph of me standing with my dad. He is wearing his blazer jacket and my little hand is holding on to his hand.
I have been doing research into Zambian traditional names during the last 20 years. I have a manuscript titled: "What is Your Name?: Tumbuka, Chewa, Ngoni, Nsenga, and Tonga Zambian Traditional Names". I have done this research in Eastern and Southern Provinces of Zambia. In 1988, my aim was to continue the research among the Lozi in Western Province, and swing through North-Western, Copperbelt, Luapula and then among the Bemba in Northern Province. But then I left Zambia. If you would like to contribute suggestions or participate in this project, let me know. Would anyone be willing to publish this manuscript? There are 312 traditional Tonga names and 571 names from the Eastern Province. My wife and I consulted the manuscript when we gave our three boys Zambians traditional names.

Mwizenge TemboClick here to contact me
Virginia, United States
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 16:21:43 (UTC)


Barry Morton,
Thanks so much for the Mufulira photos. I jumped on the Muf airport several times and landed right where the photo was taken, and then adjourned into the bar. Naturally. Those days, if one survived, it was an occasion for several potables.
Bill

William KnottClick here to contact me
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 14:12:04 (UTC)


Ian Game et al

Here's the link to the Mailship Windsor Castle Project if any of you have the odd 20 million burning a hole in your pocket.

Have you also seen the official Union Castle web page ?

The one I like best is the All at Sea site for some fantastic pics and a large set of the old sepia style Union Castle ship postcards. The "pop up" ads are a pain in the backside on this site so make sure you have a pop-up stopper installed on your PC if you hate adverts as much as I do.

I have a good high quality photo of the Windsor Castle in Southampton Water which I can e-mail to any member on request. I can't post it here because of copyright issues.

Guy Hobbs

Thanks Guy for the info on the Astra - I will search the Rhokana Reviews around that date to see if anything was mentioned then.

Tina

Ooops - If anyone sends me an e-mail with pics I normally assume it's for the board. That is of course unless it's from Johnny.

Bob Eglington

I posted your article up without reading it in depth - I was more concerned with depleting the ever increasing queue of stuff waiting to go up. However having read it this morning after Tina commented on it in an e-mail to me today I would like to add to her praise of your brilliant story about the painting your mum did for you. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Gone fishing

Arthur


Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:34:54 (UTC)


Hi Ian...

There is lots of Union Castle and Safmarine stuff on sale at E-Bay as well as Northern Rhodesia and Zambian memorabilia (especially stamps and kwachas). Every now and then a gem will appear.

I have bought 100+ items on e-bay without any issues. I use Paypal to pay - very easy to use and secure with your credit card. Never had any problems in not getting the stuff or it not being as advertized.

I have purchased a whole collection of Trans Canada Airlines (the old Air Canada) memorabilia from the thirties and forties such as timetables, brochures, advertisements, post cards, articles etc etc on e-bay. Most of the stuff was bought for between $1 and $10 Canadian.

I have been very succesful in using these to "trade" for an upgrade to Executive First class at either the airport checkin or at the gate. So far my wife and I have flown to Europe twice, Hawaii and Florida once each on "back of the plane seat sale prices" in Executive First. The secret is to find the "mature" staff who tend to be more interested in this kind of stuff than the younger ones.

In order to obtain e-bay items at the lowest possible cost you have to learn how to "snipe". Learning how to snipe will save you many, many $$$$. I'll gladly share my experiences with anybody who is interested.

Peter DielissenClick here to contact me
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 09:37:02 (UTC)


I found this article in the Times of London yesterday which may be of interest. I don't recall ever using the Windsor Castle (our last trip back in Nov '64 was on the Rhodesia Castle) but it would be nice to have a look round an old ship like this.

Ian

London Times 20 April 2003
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Death of tycoon raises fears for mailship's future

By Jon Ashworth

THE death of John Latsis, the Greek shipping billionaire, could spell the end
for one of the last great Union-Castle mailships, the Windsor Castle. A group of
British enthusiasts is trying to raise funds to buy the ship, which is laid up
in Eleusis Bay, near Athens. Mr Latsis bought the vessel after the mailship
services were withdrawn in 1977. He had long had a sentimental attachment to the
ship, which he renamed Margarita L after one of his daughters. With his death,
it is feared that the Latsis shipping corporation would be prepared to sell the
vessel for scrap.

The ship is for sale at £2.5 milliOn, which is near her scrap value. A purchaser
would have to raise another £20 million to £30 million to cover towing and
refitting, making it likely that the ship will soon be heading to the breaker's
yard.

Union-Castle was part of British & Commonwealth, owned by the Cayzer family. The
Cayzers famously sold out three days before Black Monday in October 1987 and
have since pooled their interests in Caledonia Investments.
The former Windsor Castle is one of the few l960s British passenger/cargo liners
to survive in near-unaltered condition. While it would be impractical to re-enter her
to service, enthusiasts hope to berth her at a British port as a reminder for
future generations.

The plan is to use the ship as the centrepiece for a museum celebrating
Britain's nautical heritage. Built by Cammell Laird in 1959, the Windsor Castle,
at 36,000 tonnes, was the last big passenger ship to be built on Merseyside. She
was the biggest and most famous of the Union-Castle mailships that sailed
between Southampton and the Cape.






Ian GameClick here to contact me
United Kingdom
Monday, April 21, 2003 at 08:00:57 (UTC)


Arthur,
The Astra was opened I think in 1951. I know it was on the 14th July (my brothers birthday) and the first film was Cary Grant in I was a War Bride, this was followed on the Tuesday and Wednesday by I Wonder who is Kissing Her Now with June Haver and Dan Daily. Then on the Thursday, Friday and Saturday it was the The Black Swan with Tyron Power and Linda Christian (my birthday). This was quickly followed by Only Three came Home with Claudett Colbert.
Those were the days. Sorry to correct David Gray but the back row, downstairs Saturday morning movies was not the place if you wanted to watch the film no need to elaborate those who did know what it was for. If it was a
particularly good movie we also paid a second time to catch the flick.
Guy Hobbs

Guy HobbsClick here to contact me
Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 22:29:18 (UTC)



Pat, Chirapula married a Lala Princess, so your supposition sounds about right, he must have been related to the tribe.
Regards Johnny.

JohnnyClick here to contact me
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 14:55:49 (UTC)


Dear Artie

I was nattering with Ali just now when she made me aware that the St. Paddy pics were posted. I had sent 'em round to a bunch of people in email as an informal catch up of our news never dreaming for a minute that they would find their way on the GNR.

....Imagine my surprise.

Oh well, since they are there, I reinforce the sentiments and hope you all enjoy 'em.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 10:08:13 (UTC)


Johnny - Gosh, who on earth would have thunk it? My ghast is completely flabbered to find this picture of drowsy kitties is the learned picture of your musical instruments. I honestly don't think anyone had a clue. Wow, isn't that interesting? Leaves one sort of, well, almost catatonic ;-))

We always had cats in Zambia. On the farm at Botha's Rust from the mid-1950's my mother, fresh out to the Bundu became the local St. Francis of Assisi for cats. I honestly don't know where they all came from but they knew a patsy when they saw one. We ended up catering to 16 outside cats. One of them got in one day and left a highly perfumed calling card on my Dad's pillow. Sadly my parents then told me the population had to be (pardon the pun) farmed out. I suspect more than a couple were finally dispatched to kitty heaven but you don't tell that to your impressionable 6-year-old.

Soon after, the remaining three kittens were promoted to house cats. We used to hear hyenas on the land and even a leopard once in a while but the cats seemed well able to take care of themselves. We had one lean marmalade one with siamese eyes and voice that loved avocado and also opened doors by jumping at the type of door handles that you could press down on. I remember them growling themselves silly over wriggling mouthfuls of wolf spider and shed lizard tail. My mother gave them gloriously silly names like "Peter Pom-Pom" commonly known as "Pomps" but whatever you called them they still turned up for dinner.

Again about the same time an African turned up at the farm with a basket on the back of his bike containing a bush baby. Mum immediately bought it off him and a two story meat safe with flyscreen on three sides was pressed into service as an emergency cage. The bush baby surveyed us in mournful misery for 24 hours until we all trooped down to the river and released it whereupon it shot off into the trees at warp speed.

A little after that my parents decided to move into town having found a rental house on Maxwell Road. So leaving the Bush Baby to bore all the other bush babies with his oft-repeated escape story, we took the cats into town to terrorise urban lizard and spider populations.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)Click here to contact me
Texas, United States
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 08:58:26 (UTC)


Pat

I suspect Chirupula is a corruption of Chilupula. I think you are right. The word probably comes from the Lala people of Mkushi/Serenje who are connected to the Bemba. The r consonant is not liberally used in the core Kola languages.

Chi is usually short for Ichi and is often used as a prefix in the way you suggest. There are however words that defy this rule. Chimbusu in Bemba or Chimbuzi in Nyanja/Chechewa, is one example.

I think we need help from Professor Kashoki.


Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 01:32:43 (UTC)


Hi Doug and Co,

A wild guess! could Chirupula come from the Lala a tribe spread across Mkushi/Serenje famed for sitting on the wrong side of the branch when chopping it down thus the name Lala.

Also does the prefix chi/ch/che (help me) mean "language of"
as in chibemba and in particularly chimboossi (excuse frenetics?) the language of the goat to discribe lavatory.
Any ideas?

Pat

Pat McEneryClick here to contact me
Bromley, Kent, England
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 00:42:47 (UTC)


Dawie - Congratulations on reaching the Millennium Milestone along the Great North Road !

Arthur




Northerners !

More contributions from the growing number of GNR members.

Best of all this month and first in the queue is another brilliant photo from Mike Wilson taken from the top of the CPC tower - this time a photo of the only CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE - well for me at least. This shot overlooks Central Street and I can actually see the roof of my old house where I lived around the mid 1950's, second from the end. The Kafue is just visible and in the larger photo Mike sent me I can see the Kitwe Stream and location of the bridge over it as Central Street ends. The spot I learned all about fishing, Brenda Bleksley's house, the bush I explored with my pals. This was as far EAST as you could get in Nkana at that time, and the best place to be. The photo must have been taken some time after we left here for Riverside as the trees and bush are well thinned out in the photo.

This was my home playground, a place etched into my memory for as long as I live.

Thanks Mike you are a star !

Arthur




Hi again Arthur,

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Here's the second shot from the CPC mast. The hardest job was getting the camera and tripod up the mast.

Mike Wilson




Hi Arthur:

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In reply to Marge and Steve de Lange's posting,and excellent photos from the 60s, I hereby enclose further recent (April 2000) photos of Mindola Dam, picnic/braai area,

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and a couple of the Bird Sanctuary and Dambo.


Some photos for possible publication on the GNR website - all of Zambian or possible Congolese art:

Three paintings:

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An old one in oils on canvas by Tshisanda - we bought it about 38 years ago in Chingola, but I think it is of Katanga origin

Two more recent ones by Malunga - one char, the other watercolour bought in April 2000 outside Nchanga hotel,


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Three beaten copper plaques of a hunter, a woman and a smaller image of a huntsman - also about 38 years old.

Other people must have even better examples of Zambian/Rhodesian art as treasured souvenirs - let's see some more photos in this vein.

Bob Allan

Melbourne




Arthur please put these on for me while they are topical, thanks pal.Johnny.

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Here is the proof that you wanted Tina, as you can see they are exhausted from a heavy session this weekend in the village hall of the mining village of Wombwell, I deliberatley averted the camera lens as you can imagine from the rear of these pussies as it is not a pleasant sight to see, Imagine what your bottom would look like if it had been strummed on with a very rough tongue and two very tight Banjo strings for about 16 hours this weekend, hope this satisfies your curiosity Tina, and dont believe that Codswallop that little girl from Australia sent in about camera's.

Regards Johnny.


Johnny - As you know I will only post up stuff related to the homeland, be it people, places, animals, sunsets or whatever, so this one nearly went in the bin. However, I seemed to recognise something familiar in the shot and then I remembered, my Davy Crockett hat I had to make myself when my mum wouldn't buy me one from the OK Bazaars because they were too expensive. I was pretty good with a .22 airgun and the metal corrugated roof of our house was a good place to dry out the skin.

It was the best one in the street and only had one extra hole in it. If they ever come back into fashion I think I will have no shortage of material round here - not sure how I'd dry them out though.

So your hat just made the Message Board. - Arthur




Arthur, I wonder if anyone remembers Andrew Hayward who ran a photography business in Kitwe.

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He gave me this knife when he sold me my first Pentax SLR, and got me started in a lifelong hobby.

Dave Hounsell




Thought somebody might like to see these old photos

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Mufulira guest house circa 1940's


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Hotel Mufulira circa 1940's


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Flying Club Mufulira


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Tenders for Sunderland flying boats on the Zambezi

Barry Morton




Arthur, herewith a photo you may not have. Anglican Cathedral taken around 1995

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Regards

Alister Watson

Lusaka 1950-2001




Dear Arthur,

I have just realised that I never responded to your e-mail. Here are three pictures of Livingstone in 1973.

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You'll recognise the main thorougfare and the Zambezi River.

Cheers for now,

Chisanga




Hi Arthur

My Dad once a year would take his students into the Northern Rhodesian country side for six weeks to carry out hands on survey work in the field. Sometimes a Farmer would pay a small fee to have his farm surveyed, where each field was laid out including gates and corner posts. Fields were all shapes and sizes to take in account the terrain and dry water beds and other potential hazards. This would all be incorporated into lessons as a challenge for the budding students to resolve. The Field trips were during the winter months so it must be February/March for I recall steaming breaths some mornings when we got up. Before starting schooling we would as a family spend the whole time at camp and once I started my school days it was only during the school holiday period that we would join Dad in the field for a two to three week period.

The camps were always very comfortable where there was no electricity. The only concession being a blue 'saucepan radio' hooked up to a largish battery for news broadcasts and evening background. I recall listening to Superman, up, up and away also Dick Tracey. Cooking was fuelled on a log fire or primus stove with lights being a 'Tilley Lamp' and hurricane lamps all fuelled with paraffin.

I am told when I was two that one morning Mom pulled back the blanket to get me up and curled up under the blanket with me was a snake. With the nights being chilly the snake must have thought it had discovered a lovely warm spot!

At a different camp, my sister and I were woken up in the middle of the night by the folks where we and our beds were covered in red ants. I recall standing to one side whilst our pyjamas were quickly removed and ants being brushed off with bare hands. The ants did not bite us for some reason but it put paid to the rest of the night. There were thousand upon thousands, a dark river meandering from out of the darkness, through the tent and on to the darkness on the other side. Sunrise next morning there was no sign of a red ant, only the ones stepped upon during the night.

The black and white picture is of me, up a tree, wearing my Broken Hill School uniform. The other picture is of an oil painting that my mother did and I imagine that the black and white picture gave her part of the camp scene. When my parents immigrated to England Mum as a hobby took up oil painting and went to night school for a year or so. Sadly Mum developed breast cancer and she undertook to create a Rhodesian painting, one for each of here six children before succumbing 1985. This is my painting of the bush camps that I loved as a youngster. Mum loved her country, Southern Rhodesia, with so much passion and was very taken with trees and flowers.

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For me it captures the Northern Rhodesia as I grew up in and the full wild beauty of it all. I attach and if you feel the picture suitable then would share this with the Northerners.

Bob Eglington




Dear GNR Friends

I wanted to get this off before more time passes.

We have alluded to our recent "Irishness" around St. Paddy's Day on the GNR. Here is some pictorial evidence of what the Magee family has been getting up to. Firstly ignore the printed dates on the picture. I must redo or remove the date settings.

The pictures with the dog and lots of curtains are setting up at Dallas Irish Fest 2003 where we help run the wolfhound booth. The boy is my 17 year old Chris, all 6 ft. 5" of him. The dog is our rescued Irish Wolfhound/Great Dane cross, Cozy. Doesn't she have the best grin? The more eagle-eyed among you may notice that I am wearing a Welsh dragon. This is because it was St. Daffyd's day, look you, and we wanted to be fair. Anno Domini none of us can do much about but a good sense of humour helps!

We have a great bit of craic every Sunday afternoon. I play celtic music informally with a gaggle of amateur musicians. My part is vocals and guitar back up. The guitar back up is simple but still like being part of weaving a carpet, divising the best background shades for the main colors and type of each individual work. This year this all turned into a last minute gig on the Jameson's Whiskey Float in the Dallas parade. Chris and Cozy came too.

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My dear husband Ted gets around as much as he can but he sustained a major back injury so you will only see him in a few of the capers depicted here. He is in the third picture down in "irishness-c.jpg". He is reading quietly at the far end of the picture in a grey T-shirt with a splash of red on it.

Anyway, I hope you find this enjoyable. Here's to your health, happiness and good fortune and I hope it will not be too long until we all meet / meet again.

Tina Magee (née Wallace)




Here is some more from Hartley Heaton's Lusaka Golden Jubilee 1963 brochure.

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A page about the Statue of Physical Liberty


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Some advertisements from the booklet which may bring back a memory or two.



Dave Gray

Thanks for your posting on the Astra bioscope in Kitwe, do you know that date it opened? I also remember the Saturday matinees which were great, you always wanted to go back the next week to see how the hero of the day got out of predicament at the end of every episode. I missed the one where he was tied down to a conveyor belt on his way to a large timber saw.

Here's a scan from an April 1959 Rhokana Review detailing "what's on" that month at the Astra and the Rhokana bioscopes.

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(Guy Hobbs - I have only six more mags left to scan from the two volumes - I will e-mail you shortly)

Mike Wilson sent me the negative of the last Astra photo and as Mike pointed out there is a quite a bit more of the Nkana Hotel car park showing on it. When I have a moment more I will see what I can do with the photo.

To those of you waiting for a response -

I hope to start on my e-mail backlog tomorrow - but please don't hold your breath, I also have a few message board messages that need a reply and I haven't forgotten.

Thanks to all for the usual brilliant contributions.


CJ - Wot another black hole !

Ha..Ha.. Happy Birthday !

Will you be at the Livingstone Lark ?


Arthur




Arthur SteevensClick here to contact me
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 00:28:47 (UTC)


Hi All

www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated

Added Paddy Fleming to the Contributors section. Paddy's Tales are an original and diverse collection of stories, some set in Zambia, others not, but all beautifully crafted and intriguing.

The tales are entitled: Uci's Duck, Snakes and Ladders, A Christmas Journey, A Line In The Sand, Highway Robbers, Long Cat, Long Pig, Miss Chippy, The Power of the Pen, Return Ticket, Sand Storm, Saturn V, White Skulduggery, Fears and Fantasies, Flying Whips, One Sunday in November and Ox Power.

Many thanks to Paddy for agreeing to share these with us.

Regards Ian

Ian SingerClick here to contact me
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 21:57:45 (UTC)


BRIDGET BILLANY,
Hi, I have now read your excellent article on the MUF,. copper mine. I live in coal mining country and I am interested in the local mining history, so I found your article very interesting. I also spent a large part of my working life in the company C.A. PARSONS. He was the man who invented the steam turbine. During my time there I worked on the building of transfortmers from small pole mounted types through to gigantic hi voltage power station and grid transformers. I moved on in time to the generator side of things, where I worked in the generator test department and helped to test many of the massive turbine generators that are now supplying much of the world with electricity, at one time, one of the test engineers,a man of vast international experience, told me that at any one time, there was about a quarter of the worlds copper in our factory. most of it at the time coming from the Copper belt in Rhodesia. I thought you might be interested in that fact.
Regards barribee.

Barrie BraidfordClick here to contact me
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 19:50:44 (UTC)


Chisanga

According to Chirupula's biography "Jungle Pathfinder" Chirupula meant 'The Thrasher'.

When he established the first Boma at Ndola he sent some of his people back to Fort Jameson to collect supplies including sugar and tea. The messengers dallied on the way back and arrived some weeks late which threw Chirupula into a rage. He thrashed them with a hippo hide sjambok, but later when he had cooled down gave them a cup of tea from the new supplies. It was their first time to taste sweet tea and they realised why he had been so cross at being deprived of this luxury.

This is where he got his name Chirupula or 'The Thrasher'. I have no idea what language it is.

Cheers - Doug

Doug GrewarClick here to contact me
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 08:10:43 (UTC)


Chisanga:
Thanks for such a good laugh on the Droopy Draws definition of "shorts that appear larger than they should be." That very aptly described my dad, and just hit my funny bone when I read it.

I've been sitting here thinking about my dad and some of the funny things that have happened with he and I. Sandra Marsh and I used to work together and I had skipped work one day, giving the reason that my dad had hurt his back on the job. The next afternoon, Sandra and I are busy typing away, and the door of the office opens and in comes my dad, doubled over, limping and looking in acute pain. I rushed over to him to see what had happened and as I got to him to help him, he got this big grin on his face and innocently said, "I hurt my back on the job... stupid!" Ha! Ha!


Linda Hayes (née Dore)Click here to contact me
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 04:31:57 (UTC)


HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHARLIE.......
Hope you have many more.......

Ali

Ali KeyClick here to contact me
Perth, Australia
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 02:52:26 (UTC)


Ron

One more thing. The word for "our friends" in Nyanja is anzatu and the word for Friends in Bemba is Bane. So, Goodbye friends would be Goodbye bane.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 02:22:08 (UTC)


Ron

I suppose the term Droopy Draws would be covered by the word "Chikaputula" in Bemba or "Chikabudula" in Nyanja. The word refers to shorts that appear larger than they should be.

Nicknames are quite common in Zambia. You will no doubt remember that Sir Stewart Gore-Brown was known as Chipembele (Rhino) by his adopted people. Stephenson was known as Chilupula. Sorry I don't know what this means.

Zambians do their best not to be impolite so they are rarely abusive when they choose a nickname. The nickname will usually reflect an idiosyncracy or a passion.

I once worked with a white colleague in Lusaka who had suffered a leg injury in his younger days that had left him with a stiff walk. He was given the nickname Chikulamwendo which roughly translates as leg dragger.

I have also met at least two Kasotes. They earned their nicknames because of their fondness for hats or caps. Kasote is the Bemba/Nyanja word for hat.

Chisanga Puta-ChekweClick here to contact me
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 02:17:55 (UTC)


Been there, done that, got the T-shirt

Now, in addition to your Nigerian 419 spam, you can have the T-shirt.


Craig HartnettClick here to contact me
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 01:12:35 (UTC)


Happy Birthday Charlie in Capetown.
My wife Veronica [nee' Read - born in Mufulira and a student of Lusaka Convent] is in Greyton in the Cape now, having some alterations made to a new house we have bought there.

Belated Happy Birthday to Linda in Texas.

On the subject of Kaputula - we had a Senior officer in the Police - Bernard O' who wore very long uniform shorts - we affectionately called him "Droopy Draws"

I do not recall if the African policemen gave nicknames to the European officers, but here in Hong Kong they do and not all of them are polite.

I learned quite early on in my days in the police here that my nickname was "Gum Geuk Daai" - a transliteration of my English name - the Chinese meaning being 'Gold Banded Krait" - the most dangerous and respected of all snakes here. In my early day I was a very strict disciplinarian - and one of the untouchables for those who had corrupt leanings - so it may have come from that. Towards the end of my career - I was better known as "Ah Suk" - uncle as I had come to learn that if you looked after a person and his or her family when they needed support, then people would be very happy to work with you as their boss.

But the real purpose of this message is to ask Chisanga if there is a Njanja or Bemba way of saying "Droopy Draws" and whether he knows whether nicknaes were/are in common use in NR/Zambia.

I have rally enjoyed seeing the photographs of Heather's visit to the annual waterborn migration on the wetlands that I never got a chance to see.
Also to read the detailed article on the Mining at Mufulira.

I must congratulate Ian Singer on his labour of Love with his own site and all the fascinating information that is now available to the world at the click of a button.

I was fasinated to read Paddy Fleming's note to Wane Kennerly on Rolls Royce motor cars. I wrote to him direct saying:
Interesting about those old Rolls Royces,
Pity there are no pictures of the thatched milk float,
Who lived out there beyond you who would have driven that one ? Who had the dairy cattle ?

I heard of one Rolls when I was in Lusaka that had been cut down and used to pull tree stumps out of the ground - when an axle broke Rolls Royce apparently replaced it free of charge - as nothing ever failed on a Rolls Royce in those days.

A French chap here in HK has a collection of old Rolls Royces from the HK scrap yards - they are too expensive to repair here - people just buy new ones.

The Peninsula Hotel bought a brand new fleet of Rolls' some years ago and they were flooded in the basement before they were used - they were all sold off in China and new ones bought to replace them.

Best wishes to all GNR members and a Happy Easter, which here on the coast of China co-incides with the Festival to worship the deity of all people who work on the sea "Tin Hau" - The Goddess of the Sea - who is credited with saving many lives at sea.

Last but not least, I must pay tribute to Arthur for all his great work with the photos.
Without the great and voluntary work done by all who keep the GNR site going our great tapestry of life would be missing colour.

Khalani Bwino
[I never did find a Nyanja word for 'friends']
Chisanga - can you help ?


Ron Clibborn-DyerClick here to contact me
Hong Kong SAR, China
Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 00:30:32 (UTC)


Regarding Mr. Sardanis

"Andrew was a Greek shop owner in Chingola who eventually became a confidant of KK and had a massive rise to power after independence"

I feel constrained to comment on the above statement. In the early 1960s Andrew Sardanis had responsibility for a family owned business known as North Western Trading. The group owned a super market on Zambezi Road, the strip where our own family business had its headquarters. Another family that had a business there were the Dobkins.

Andrew did not always work from "the shop". He had an office in the light industrial area of Chingola. I remember he toured the North Western Province a great deal because the company also had trading posts in places like Mwinilunga, Balovale and Solwezi.

As for Andrew's alleged rise to power after independence, he supported the nationalist cause long before it bacame fashioanble for white Zambians to do