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Linda
Craig is still working on that part of the names directory.
Who are you harassing and I'll pass the message on for you?
Keep your eyes on this message board - I'm just waiting for the clock to tick over 1.00am here when you will see a brilliant contribution I'm waiting to post on the new months message board, sign off and hit the sack.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, June 30, 2003 at 23:55:17 (UTC)
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Craig: (or anyone who can help me)
Okay, what am I doing wrong here? I was trying to surf the Names Directory, but when I click on the link, all I get is the list of people who have been updated today, this week, or have bad addresses. Is there a new way to get into the directory itself now?
Oh.. I get it. I'm blacklisted. ha! ha! No, seriously.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, June 30, 2003 at 23:06:39 (UTC)
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Bill,
Vikram Solanki was born in Udaipur, India, but was brought up in Wolverhampton. So the African connection is not there! He may have relatives in Zambia! Last zambian born player to play for England was Neil Radford.
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, June 30, 2003 at 10:59:12 (UTC)
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Bill,
Yes, there were, and still are, a number of Solankis in Zambia. I think Vikram was born here in the UK and his parents are from Africa. Will let you know when I get some response about where exactly.
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, June 30, 2003 at 10:54:36 (UTC)
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Recent Site Updates:
June 30th, 2003:- Redesigned the detail pages in the Names Directory so that they are easier to read and conform to the new template.
- Added the list of people that each person is looking for to their detail page in the Names Directory. Remember to log in to remove the names of people you were looking for once you have found them.
- Added some default text which is displayed only if you have not entered anything in the "Narrative" field of your entry. The "Narrative" field is a free-text area where you can add any additional information you wish. The wording is designed to encourage those who have been economical with information about themselves and their time in Northern Rhodesia or Zambia to be more forthcoming.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, June 30, 2003 at 08:19:31 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
This is only germane to the GNR in the context of the memories it evokes from life in Northern Rhodesia...
Few Americans get my accolades. But the one who died today does. I loved her comments about her ageing and passing:
"I'm what is known as gradually disintegrating."
"And do you know, they'll miss me, like an old monument. Like the Flatiron Building."
And for all the crap people say about the golden age of being old... I can surely attest to her comment about disintegrating!
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, June 30, 2003 at 07:59:36 (UTC)
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One & All
Vikram Solanki - Member of the English Cricket team that beat the Boks yesterday - Is he a relation of the NR Solankis?
This family were eminent bespoke Tailors to the Copperbelt community.
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 17:56:00 (UTC)
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Mwizenge,
Sorry I took so long to respond. I have not been on the site for quite a while.
I am not too familiar with AIDS issues but my sister is a medical scientist and she has done a great deal of research in the area. She got her Ph.D from London University in the mid 1980s. Her first two degrees are also from London, at Chelsea College. For the doctoral degree she examined the connection between diabetes and strokes.
Until she left for the regional health quality control centre in Uganda she was head of the Tropical Diseases Research Centre in Ndola.
I'll pass on your enquiry. Better still, I'll give you her e-mail address so you can communicate directly.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 03:27:23 (UTC)
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More Books
Since they were mentioned recently, here are links to some more books.
Don't Let's Go to the Dogs Tonight by Alexandra Fuller:Mukiwa: A White Boy in Africa by Peter Godwin:Books bought through these links contribute a small (tiny!) referral fee which goes towards the care and feeding of the GNR.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 28, 2003 at 07:06:54 (UTC)
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Thanks Kristien.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 28, 2003 at 05:57:25 (UTC)
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"Tick Bite Fever"
From Amazon.com in the US.
From Amazon.co.uk in the UK.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, June 28, 2003 at 05:53:17 (UTC)
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Heather - and Everyone
Have just done the homework I should have before giving you the Tick Bite Fever by David Bennun book news!
Printed in paperback by Ebury Press ISBN 0091886899
On Amazon co.uk there is a rating of 4 stars out of 5 and its listed as a biography, 320 pages. Price if I recall correctly is £9.99
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Friday, June 27, 2003 at 12:05:06 (UTC)
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Mwizenge,
Thanks for your invitation to a very worthy cause, however I unfortunately have already made other commitments for the upcoming weekend. I heard that President Mwanawasa is in town for the U.S.-Africa Business Summit this week. Will he also be at the fund raiser at the Embassy on Saturday? Good luck with the fund raising.
Good work Dave, and the GNR management team in running a great site!
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, June 27, 2003 at 00:03:11 (UTC)
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Kris
Unfortunately no joy so far - there were two Martins listed in Cove Bay .... whoops, have just spoken to the second lot and their daughter is an only child called Susan - they are related to the first one Alexander. Back to the drawing board - next stop, butchers. Am sure they are a close knit community so will take my bottle of chi, chi, chianti and pick my local one's brains (figure of speech). He has been in Bucksburn since I got here and is quite a character.Actually went one step further with the joke and openly displayed a sign during the BSE scare which read "The only mad cow in here is my wife".
Sarky, I know Management in the Workplace has come on in leaps and bounds over recent years but Viagra strategically placed on workdesks? Really think they are trying to tell you something, doll. They say it is a great stress reliever though and that a known angler stops lying about the actual size of fish caught!
On a happier note (read into that what you will), my e-mail is now up and running again so will not use the Board, under any circumstances, for idle chatter (yeah, right - tis half the fun). So anyone that knows me, please send me an E (qualify that one as well Main, mail).
Tara
Gill
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 19:51:42 (UTC)
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Chandru,
Thanks for your comments on the ZADOVATE web page and nshima. The name has been changed to “Zambia Knowledge Bank”. The "bank" will soon be soliciting Zambians for information and knowledge on all aspects of Culture and Technology in Zambia with the idea of publishing a one big volume of “Encyclopedia of Culture and Technology in Zambia”. I notice you live in Maryland. I want to let you know I will be entertaining banquet guests at the Zambian Embassy this Saturday night June 28 in Washington, D.C. This is a fundraiser for Zambia Orphans of AIDS. This variety show that I have been doing the last 8 years includes my performance of traditional Zambian drumming, dance, and story telling. You might want to attend as an antidote to home sickness. I don’t want you to experience sticker shock but the fundraiser is $50.00 per dinner plate.
Ayub, Chisanga
I tried to get on Ayub’s brother’s web page but could not get on it. I am very interested in the immune system and genetics in relation to AIDS and troptical diseases. I have been reading extensively about HIV-AIDS and the immune system over the last 18 years. I wrote a 30 page paper in 1999 on the scientific aspects of HIV-AIDS in Zambia/Africa. If you would like a copy of the paper, I can e-mail it to you and may be you could give me some feed back. Since it is written by me, a sociologist, its very readable. It addresses some of the very controversial aspects of the AIDS science that no one wants to talk about for reasons too complex to describe here. I will be revising the paper soon to include research data I collected recently on AIDS last August in Zambia.
Yunus,
I am so thrilled you know where Mussadique Kadodia is. Tell him this is Jacob Tembo a classmate in Form I and II at Chizongwe Secondary School. Let him know that Abdul Munshi is still in Lusaka. I was with Ben Kalinda and Jeremiah Nyirongo last August in Lusaka. Tell him that if he is still as “crazy” as he was, I don’t want him visiting me. I hope he will have a good laugh about this.
Mwizenge Tembo [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Virginia, United States
Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 15:37:52 (UTC)
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Hi All
Just noticed another new book we may find interesting. "Tick Bite Fever" by David Bennum - afraid I dont know who the published is, but it is in paperback.
Seems the author spent his formative years in the 70's in Zambia and Kenya and survived to tell the tale.
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 14:32:22 (UTC)
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To all New Comers to the GNR
Every couple of years, I make a couple of announcements about the start and history of this website. It did not always have a message board. But it was one of the earlier private web sites on the Internet. I started it whilst working at a software company in the San Francisco Bay Area in California at the height of the boom times of the IT industry.
Since there wasn't a message board, I divided the site up into a number of rubriques. This constituted a suite of pages, much like a book is a suite of chapters. I called this the TGNR web suite (THE Great North Road).
If you are new to this site, you might not know about all the different sections. I urge you to look around, there is plenty more to see than just the message board. You might discover a little hidden notice about the first announcement of this site. I created the site because I did not want to see it become like a certain other ex-pat site, which had sadly declined into a viscious trail of graffiti and insults. This is one reason why today, I and the management team try very hard to keep that sort of thing from happening on this site, which has always, for the most part, been free of vitriole.
Probably the part of the site that I am most proud of, is the interactive map of Nkana-Kitwe. This is a vector graphic display. Not a bitmap. So the resolution of lines and other geometry NEVER deteriorates into pixels. This is high-tech stuff, folks even today! Some people have mentioned that they cannot get it to display. There is no reason why it should not display if you follow the directions. The WHIP! Plug-in has been renamed as the Autodesk Express Viewer. If you have Autodesk products like AutoCAD on your computer, you probably have this already. If not, the download does not occupy much space. If you do not download this Plug-in, you will not see the Nkana-Kitwe map. I recommend that you do download the viewer, Autodesk is the most reliable computer software company in the world. That is an undisputed fact, I promise! And not just because the Founder of Autodesk, fled the US for much of the same reasons as I did, I promise!
Many things that come up on the message board have been often discussed before in the past, but we can't always expect new comers to know this. However, remember that this site is not new, and that most topics about Zambia probably have been touched on by someone on this site in the past seven years of its existence.
Many members of this site have been members since its inception. They are still with us, and are as such considered much appreciated as venerable founding members.
Please take a look around. Notice all our links. Try some of them. The collections of items and photographs are considerable as well.
Much of this stuff will be in a better reorganisation when the new site is up and running.
Much of the site is new since it was first started in 1995/6. This is largely due to the incredible efforts of Craig Hartnett, Arthur Steevens, and Heather Chalcraft, the brilliant management team that keep this site running. What is truly impressive about this team is that it straddles three countries: Canada, England, and Zambia --- something I am also very proud of!
Take a look around and welcome!
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 13:36:12 (UTC)
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Hello to all ex residents of NR/Zambia, Viv and Frank Yoxall, now live at : 7 Nottingham Court,
St. John's
Woking,
Surrey,
GU21 8TH.
Our home Telephone number is 01483 822453
Viv's Mobile phone No. is 07734840501
My direct Office No. is 01737 647986
My Mobile No. is 07740 065125.
We would love to hear from any old friends who may read this. Margaret and Peter Riley, Peter Bill, John Watt, Dot Hughes, Malachy Doherty, Jim Griffin, Aurther Chatterly, any old Moth's, Alec and Maureen Chisolm, and a whole host of friends, and people whom, I cannot recall names of if you remember us please make contact.
All the Best to all, Viv and Frank Yoxall.
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 06:15:15 (UTC)
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Geoff Rawlinson
Thanks for the map of Kalulushi - you must have been reading our minds. I have discovered 4 other people from Kalulushi all living within a 4 km radius of each other in Auckland: me, Brian Ledeboer, Thea Grobler & John Payne. We met up recently & were trying to picture the streets and where everyone lived. Our challenge now is to remember the 'old' names. We probably need Gordon Garlicks help with that!
The rugby pictures also brought back some memories:
79 - hidden at the back - Bob McGuire, far right standing - Mike Thomas. Sitting - Brian Neirynck, Tom Serratt, ? Bob Bigmore, Neil ?.
Front: ? Alan Armitage
81 Back: John Tustin, ?, Mike Thomas, ?,?,? Alan Ryan, ? Steve Stone
Front: ?,?,? Alan Armitage, Callum Richards, ?,?
Geoff can you remember the names of the others?
Patsy Davies (née Rosson, formerly Rixom) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Auckland, New Zealand
Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 05:12:47 (UTC)
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Philip,
Alexandra Fuller's book has been discussed here before and there's nothing wrong with recommending a book. As you say, it's not about the war and it is actually almost completely apolitical. For some reason I took from the title and the blurbs I had read about it that it wasn't, and so I was initially not very interested, but Heather kindly sent me a copy and it's an excellent read.
Although the complete Names Directory is not browsable at the moment, you are correct that she is not a member.
Speaking of removing fillings with toffee, I once removed an entire molar with a chocolate eclair. Not sure if it's a recommended dental technique, but it was quite effective, although completely unintentional.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 23:03:12 (UTC)
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Heather:
Quite by coincidence it turned out that George Old became related to one of my good Munali classmates, then later my father joined Rothmans and worked with him there as well. If his contact details are readily available to you, I'd appreciate it if you could email them to me.
Phillip:
Alexandra Fuller's book was great, I finished reading it earlier this year and I believe Linda was lucky enough to attend a book signing a couple of months ago. Another book that I read later and that brought back memories of growing up in Southern Africa is "Mukiwa" by Peter Godwin.
Barrie:
Yes, sadly Dr. Barnard passed away in Cyprus at age 78 of an asthma attack on September 2, 2001.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 22:18:46 (UTC)
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Phillip:
What a wonderful story and how it conjured up the Rhokana pool as if I were there yesterday. I could picture every little detail you described, from the Swiss Roll towel and costume, to the feeling of the hot cement after getting out of the pool, to the toffee in a million pieces. What a great story teller you are. Keep them coming! It took me a while, but when I was around 12 or 13, I was able to build up to being able to swim the width of the pool completely under water. It seemed like half way across the ocean as I reached the other side, lungs bursting for air, but I wonder just how far it really was. Yes, that diving board felt like it was in the clouds. I only jumped off it once. The soles of my feet stung for hours, but earned me bragging rights with my older sister.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 21:28:30 (UTC)
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Hi
I heard this in a pub recently and modified it slightly to add the corporate "tongue in cheek." I used it in my tenth ATB-B speech at Toastmasters and received a successful evaluation (any other Toastmasters out there?)
I left out the last paragraph as I felt some may find it offensive. Some reading now may also find it offensive, best suggestion is not to read it.
A CORPORATE TALE
It was the eighth day in the Garden of Eden. Management had been busy the previous week and had rested. The Boss, who the night before had dreamed up some exciting ideas for the future, wanted to share these with the staff. Being IBM trained, he decided to call a meeting and made his way to the boardroom cloud, summoning the troops by voice mail en route "Adam, come here."
Adam, who had been ignored up to now and relished the chance of languishing in the power, glory and luxury of the Executive, came running, calling eagerly "yes Boss, what is it? What can I do for you?
The Boss replied, "Things are soon going to be different around here and as part of your change management training, I am able to offer you one of two choices." Adam, keen and raring to be of service asked "What is the first choice?" The reply was exciting. "You can have a penis, so that you can urinate standing erect." Adam, who was tired of squatting and embarrassed by the fact that he dribbled on his ankles, immediately took up the offer and the promised penis grew between his legs.
Not knowing better how to use it, he began filling and emptying his bladder, over and over again. He sprayed everything in sight, grass, trees, shrubs and he even hit a bird in flight, once, when he squeezed very hard. This was great but as the day wore on, he found that water did not taste that good after all and, as the fruit had not been on the trees long enough to rot and ferment into alcohol, there was nothing else to drink. The novelty wore off.
Remembering that there had been a second choice, he made his way to the Executive floor, and asked, "Boss what was the second choice?" The growled answer "Multiple orgasms" left him unmoved as he had no idea what an orgasm was. Nothing daunted, he decided to examine the rest of the garden to see what else management had been up to, in case he should need to form a union to protect his rights.
Wandering around and marveling at Managements ingenuity, he came upon an apple tree and found on it a big, shiny, juicy, green apple, a meal in itself. He went to pick it and stopped when the Boss yelled "Adam, don’t pick the apple." The penis story still fresh in his mind, Adam knew who was in charge, and left it.
The next day Eve arrived and whilst Adam was showing her around, they came again upon the apple tree. The apple had now grown bigger, a meal I itself for two and was red, luscious and juicy looking. Eve went to pick it and again the Boss intervened "Do not pick the apple" and realizing he would never have the same control over Eve as he had over Adam, thought to explain "If you pick the apple, you will start the biggest plague the world has ever seen"
Neither knowing what a plague was, they disobeyed him, Eve picked the apple and it was eaten with gusto, pips and pulp, the sweet juice dribbling down their chins.
That night the two went to bed, to be awakened early in the morning, just after sunrise, by a knocking on the door. They were certainly surprised, as they had walked the entire garden the day before and found nobody else. They had also checked with Security and had been told that no new access cards had bee issued. Furthermore they had been told in training that it would take nine months to reproduce, although they had not yet covered the module on the physical requirements. Confused and a little frightened, Eve told Adam to get the door, which he opened cautiously and found before him, a dark skinned man, dressed in ragged clothes , who wrung his hands and smiled invitingly as he asked "EschoosememyBaasieIamlookingforwek."
A couple of days later, the Boss, looking for Eve came upon Adam and asked him where she was. Adam replied that she had gone to the river to bathe and was reprimanded by the Boss saying "Adam, I did not want this to happen, now the fish are going to smell!"
Owen Thomas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Henley on Klip, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 20:42:44 (UTC)
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STILL GROWING UP IN NKANA/KITWE CONTINUED
It was about this time in my life (5-6 yrs), that my brothers thought it was time to teach me to swim. This happened at the Rhokana mine swimming pool and was achieved by throwing me into the deep end.
I remember hot summer days waiting on the steps with your towel & costume rolled up like a swiss roll for the gates to open and my brothers pushing me under the turnstile so I did'nt have to pay. As you entered the gates one had that beautiful four to five tiered fountain in front of you, gushing water in steps. On the left was the boys change rooms and on the right the girls. Boys under a certain age (I think it was 16) has to change in the very first change room on the left as you entered the passage, and had wire cages for your clothes, with a bench along the wall. The older boys and kids with their parents used the main change room, which had private cubicles in which to change.
I know there were showers, but can't remember
where they were, besides as a kid, you had been in the water all day, why would you want to shower?
After changing into your costume, you had to go through the footbath with mauve coloured water (I think it contained condies crystals) to get to the pool. I also remember you were not allowed back out the main entrance to get to the pool.
Once outside by the pool, you would claim your spot with your towel on one of the concrete pathways (older boys & girls sat on the grass). This was done so that when you came out of the water one could lie on the wonderful hot cement.
Now with the sixpence I saved by ducking under the turnstile and the sixpence I had as pocket money, I could buy a slab of Wilson's toffie (the one you smacked on a hard surface and broke into a hundred pieces and which pulled your filling out) from the tuck shop, behind the paddling pool.
I remember Pop Patrick was the caretaker/life guard. A wonderful old man who had lots of patience & time for kids. He taught me for my basic life saving course. The only rule which Pop had and was quite strict about was that if you went onto the top board (remember the huge diving tower), the only way down was over the edge into the water. We as kids used to sneak up there to suntan and when Pop wasn't looking sneak down the stairs again, to second top. I had no trouble jumping from there. But on one occassion, unfortunately for me, we were caught up there by Pop and had to jump. I think it must have taken me about a half hour to get the courage to take the step of the edge and jump. I must admit it cured me from top board until I was much older.
Can anyone remember the height of the diving board? Felt like a 100 feet!
It was interesting to think back on the fumes from the smelter which used to settle over that area in the afternoon, depending on which way the wind was blowing, and used to burn your lungs and eyes. If that happend today I reckon that the plant would be shut down immediately, there are more than likely some of us out there who suffer respiratory problems which can be directly linked to breathing that smog. (Maybe we have a case for compensation).
Cheers for now
Regards
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 20:37:37 (UTC)
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Greetings to All,
I have just had a book returned to me which I bought at the beginning of this year.
I would like to recommend this book to anyone who grew up in the Federation and knew what it was like to grow up there.
The book is called " DON'T LET'S GO TO THE DOGS TONIGHT" AN AFRICAN CHILDHOOD.
The author is Alexandra Fuller who was born in England, and she moved with her family to Zimbabwe and then to Malawi and Zambia. She now lives in Wyoming with her husband and two children.
I must stress that this is not a book about the Rhodesian War but a book about growing up in a time and place, which has left indelible memories in one's mind. I believe this is one of the reasons a lot of us have joined the G.N.R.
Alexandra's book ends at a place called Mkushi which I take to be a place very close to NDOLA.
I went through the names directory to see if she was a member, because with her story, I was positive she would be there. But alas NO!
To the founders of the G.N.R. please understand that I am not "PUNTING" this book, but feel it is compelling reading, in the sense of wanting to go back to those times which we all enjoyed, good or bad.
Regards to all
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 19:30:47 (UTC)
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Elspeth
Sorry I haven't got round to e-mailing you but I look forward to your call when you are here in the UK.
Phillip
Great stories - please keep them coming!
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 18:34:32 (UTC)
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Hi All
The talk of curfews brings to mind one evening when we decided that we could beat it without any problem, little did we know.
I am not sure if this was the same curfew that Heather is talking about as I believe there were further curfews after we left Zambia in 1978. This occurred during the first that I remember. At the time we were living in Roan Avenue, Kabulonga and had very good friends just over the road from us. When it first started we were very good obeying the curfew but as it dragged on, it was probably only a couple of days, and our social life was being disturbed we decided that as it was only over the road we would go over before the curfew and then just roll the car back, without lights, to get home. Why you may ask did we have the car; well we had two young children at the time and the amount of katundu made it impossible to just walk over.
We had a great evening; there were also another two couples there who were going to stay with us that night as they lived too far away to just nip home. If my memory serves me correctly the electricity had been switched off during the hours of curfew as an enforced blackout so the evening was spent playing cards by candlelight.
The time came when we were to go home, probably about 1am as we had work the next day, and we piled kids and katundu into the car leaving the adults to walk over. I started the car and set off towards the gate and a male voice from the right says something like "What are you doing, where are you going". My first thought was to tell him to mind his own business and then it dawned on me. Living next door was one of the Presidents advisors who warranted an armed guard from what looked like the paramilitary and it was he standing there sub machine gun slung over his shoulder. I got out of the car and pointed to our driveway across the road and said that that was where I was heading. I said I would not switch on my lights and would only be on the road for about 30 seconds. No chance, there was a curfew and he was authorised to shoot anyone seen breaking it.
There was nothing for it but to return to our friend’s house and try and find place to bed down for the night. This resulted on us sleeping on the floor of the lounge but to be honest I don’t think we managed to get much sleep. At 6am when the curfew was lifted we were ready to nip across the road get showered and changed and head off to work. We didn’t try that again but did have a couple of more evenings where we arranged to stay over.
The curfew did not last that long and after a while the enforced blackout was lifted, they no longer switched the electricity off, but there was still a blackout in force. I heard it said that, during this time, Lusaka seen from the air looked like a black hole. All the farming community that surrounded Lusaka were still showing lights but the centre was completely blacked out.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 12:17:47 (UTC)
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CHANDRU,
I was very sorry to see in your posting that Dr Christian Barnard had passed away. He was one of my heroes. I dont know how long you have been lurking out there, but at the risk of boring everyone who already knows, I had a heart transplant in November 1996, and so far so good. I really cant understand how I missed that news as I visit my local transplant clinic every month and no one has menyioned it. KEEP LURKING AND POSTING.
REGARDS Barribee.
Barrie Braidford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 07:19:16 (UTC)
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Hi,
Am going to the UK next week and haven't been able to contact the following friends to meet over there:-
Maeve Bryne - email address has changed
Alison Brooks
Esther "Weller"
John Brake
Jacqui - Wayne has given me your phone number- will give you a ring when I get there.
Am I allowed to bring biltong into the country - vacuum packed Woolworths biltong and dry vors? Apparently there are signs all over Heathrow to say no meat!!
Happy Birthday Chris
Heather C - I "think" David and I are definites for the "Livingstone Lark" - am just waiting for him to confirm flights through "his" travel agency - he has voyager miles he wants to surrender!! but he's so busy at the moment - and I'm getting very frustrated.
Any news from the Arnold / Cantley / Coventry / Collett families from Mazabuka?
Am moving offices tomorrow so won't have a computer -if anyone can help me - could you possibly get back to me today - thanks so much.
Regards,
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 06:26:24 (UTC)
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Chris Cantrell
Happy Birthday
Chandru
As far as I know George Old is still here.
Yes, I was resident in Lusaka in the 70's and remember well the day you mention. It was the start of a lot of problems for the farming community, many of whom were abducted by Nkhomo's men whilst they were trying to plant their crops. My father was the chairman of the Commercial Farmers Bureau (now the National Farmers Union) at the time and the farmers all came to him for help. Often he would arrive home at night to find someone waiting for him and he would have to go back into town to get the police and army moving and this after he had just spent the day in town sorting out such problems instead of attending to his farming operations. Luckily no one was killed or seriously hurt.
It was a pretty hairy time and I remember one day getting a phone call at work to say that I was to stay there and that my dad would come in and escort me home. I was only 18 at the time and there had been a number of people beaten up in the streets and they were concerned about me making it home safely.
The curfew was only introduced about three or four months later but we didn't let that stop our social lives. We would all meet at the Longhorn Restaurant which you may remember had an enormous closed in parking area. With us would come whatever was needed for sleeping and we would party and then retire to bed either in our cars or where ever our mattress landed in the car park.
The demolition of the Kazungula Ferry also affected us. My father had some polo ponies coming up from South Africa, so my brother flew down, loaded them on the train and was to travel back on the train as far as Botswana, when they would be offloaded and my father's trucks would pick them up there and take them across the pontoon and up to Lusaka. The Rhodesians put paid to that plan, but my brother did manage to get authority for the horses to carry on their journey on the train but they were not happy to let him travel with them. He eventually persuaded them and they were offloaded in Livingstone and moved from there by truck.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 05:57:20 (UTC)
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Hello everybody,
After lurking around as a silent reader, I decided to join the GNR. I grew up in Zambia from 1968 to 1981, living in Ndola from 1968-1971 (Kansenji Primary school) and Lusaka from 1971-1981 (Chelston Primary and Munali Secondary). Then I moved to the States for my university studies and settled here.
I was curious to see if anyone knew of the following people I knew in Zambia:
Teachers at Munali - David Johnson (geography) and Bournechastel (French)
Robert Chiluwe - head of one of parastatals (building supplies?) in the seventies
Dr. Hussein - doctor at Chainama Hills hospital and friend of the late Dr. Chris Barnard, the South African heart surgeon.
Mr. D'Cruz - a veterinarian in Lusaka with many daughters who attended the Dominican convent school
Mr. Natesan - a meteorologist in Lusaka
George Old - production manager at Rothmans and an avid golfer.
Mwizenge
I visited your Zadovate web page and the Zambian food page brought back memories. Unfortunately for me Nshima was an acquired taste and I was never able to acquire it, but I definitely would go for the chicken and other meat Ndiwo, it looks delicious!
Linda
Your discussion of Kaputula (shorts) from a couple of months ago amused me. I remember the word, though it was the Nyanja version (Kabudula). Certainly not to be confused with Kabwalala which I think means "thief" !
Heather
Did you live in Lusaka in the late seventies? One sunny morning I was sitting in class when we began hearing "thump" sounds coming at intervals from a distance. We went out for our mid morning break and when we returned our teacher told us that the Rhodesian airforce was bombing guerilla camps in the Lusaka area. Shortly after, a dusk to dawn curfew was declared when the Rhodesian commandos began launching raids into Lusaka.
Ayub
Sorry to hear about the crime situation in your part of England. Here in the States the crime situation varies according to income level of the area (safer in middle and upper class areas and worse in poor inner city areas). Also people are generally tolerant maybe because most everybody is either an immigrant or is descended from immigrants from diverse groups, however there are occasional outbursts such as after 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.
Jill
Your mention of overland travel brought to mind two books I read recently, "Dark Star Safari" by Paul Theroux and "Adventure Capitalist" by Jim Rogers, both giving good perspectives on African countries by two very recent travelers. Good for armchair travelers though not as much fun as the real thing!
I often wonder why I think of Zambia so often even though I have not been back for years and years. After reading Mwizenge's and Doug's posts from early May, I better understand why.
Cheers
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 00:27:34 (UTC)
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Dawie
In accordance with the Headmaster's instructions, I have had a good look at your map. I'm impressed. Only one place that you left out - Luangwa was known as Feira. Well done.
I think Nchelenge was called 'Fort Rhodesia' (I'll have to check, one of the towns up there was known by that name) but I'm talking about somewhere round 1907/8 so I don't expect that we have many members who will remember it by that name. And then of course there is Lusaka which was originally called Lusaakas.
I'm also surprised that you didn't add Kansanshi near Solwezi - must have been a moment of weakness.
I also notice a very prominent name in the Northern Province - Mumpolokoso which has me totally confused. We have a Chief Mumpolokoso, but none of my maps show the town Mumpolokoso and it is too far west to be Kawambwa and too far north to be Luwingu. All my maps show a big blank there although it looks as though it is close to Mbulumotute Falls. Perhaps it is a mission or Chief Mumpolokoso's village? I just can't understand why it would be given such prominence.
Then there is another mystery and perhaps Doug Grewar or Johnny Green can help me. Where was the town of Fife? Is it what we now know as Nakonde (immediately opposite the Tanzanian town of Tunduma) or is it further south. I've been trying to find out exactly where the Stevenson Road ran and no one seems to be able to tell me where Fife was.
Craig
I had a chat with the Smart Sarky one and he told me what OSF stands for. Far too rude to talk about it here. And no more talk about ZX 81's - I still have mine tucked away in a cupboard somewhere for the day Paul Golson and I are going to start a computer museum with all our computers. Between the two of us, we have two ZX 81's and every model from there upwards until about 1992. And all working too. Just imagine!
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 00:20:56 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Ho, ho, ho. Tell me, Mr. Abbreviation, what OSF stands for in your sarky world.
Thanks for making me look for ZX Spectrum stuff. Just wasted more time than I'm going to admit trying to get to level two of "Miner ..." ag, nevermind.
ZX Spectrum directory
The World of Spectrum
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 20:52:50 (UTC)
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Oh Craig
Watch your spelling - that's Diaper-com.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 19:36:45 (UTC)
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Heather
Yeah, I've heard of them all.
- Sun - Big shiny thing in sky - not seen in the UK
- Unix - Unisex underwear - I think - check with Dave
- HP - A Sauce - perhaps you don't get it over there?
- Sunview - When there's no clouds in the sky during the day
- VAX-VMS - I think this is a sooped up vacuum cleaner
- Supeminis - common in the 60's, very small mini-skirt or belt. Not the Mini Cooper variety
- Solaris - sun cream stuff
- OSF - I'll leave you to guess what that means - something to do with Southerners
- Motif - An up-market tattoo
My first computer was a top of the range Sinclair Spectrum ZX - I think it had 18kb of RAM (or was that the size of the hard drive) and a very rubbery keyboard. I still have this, one day it will be a collectors item I think. With this model you got a set of leads so you could hook it up to your state of the art monitor (a Colour TV) and load the software from your cassette player in a matter of only half an hour or so. My favourite was space invaders, still is. Everything had to be typed in DOS to programme it.
Philip
Good stories keep them up please. I think your experience about not being able to go out because your pants and underpants were taken away was really funny. Must have happened to one or two other boys in Nkana because I still think it goes on today, a sort of longing for the old days by certain "Old Foagies" residing on the Continent (a scrubbland off the Kent coast).
I also remember that attempted confining to the house during the mid afternoon, I was always told it was because I would get sunstroke, polio, smallpox or some other dread disease.
I lived close the pump station near the Kafue in the mid 50's - I never heard of any kids involved in getting shot dead, but I do recall some kid being taken by a croc. But hey that was just everyday stuff.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 19:12:45 (UTC)
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Dave,
As Arthur will tell you, I was in nappies in the late 80s. However, in 1989 I was connected to a sort of internet (called Dialcom), but not the Internet.
Image Resizing in IE
If Internet Explorer is resizing images to fit your browser window, an icon with four arrows should appear when you hover your mouse pointer over the image. Click this and the image will go to 100%.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 17:20:21 (UTC)
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Dawie
How can I scoff at things like Sun, UNIX, HP, Sunview, VAX-VMS, Superminis, Solaris, OSF, Motif - I've never even heard of them? Have you Arthur??
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 16:46:25 (UTC)
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Arthur
Thanks for the hint on stopping sizing of the image to the browser window. You know I had a look at all of those options in the Internet Options dialog suite, and I can't believe how complex it has gotten! The English used is also so jargonised that surely the average man in the street will not understand this. At least, I have decided to find some documentation to help me decipher what the English means for many of these options.
It has come to pass that for us who first came to use the Internet, browsers, and the world wide web in the late eighties are now regarded as "Old Foagies"---and that this new generation---the Arthurs and Heathers of the world---scoff at the older generation's quaint references to things like Sun, UNIX, HP, Sunview, VAX-VMS, Superminis, Solaris, OSF, Motif, and other anachronistic references. I assumed Craig was there with me in those days of old!
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 14:04:36 (UTC)
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Arthur
I had a brief scan of the map this morning and picked up a couple of things (not errors, more queries), but no time to deal with them now (deadlines again). I'll get to it later today.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 12:30:56 (UTC)
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Correction
To stop Windows re-sizing images when you click and open a link:
Go to "Control Panel" open "Internet Options" and then select the "Advanced Tab" - navigate down the menu to "Multimedia" and de-select "Enable Automatic Image Resizing"
I only have XP and W2000 Professional - the same option is probably possible in 95/98/ME
Arthur
Flounder of the day.
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 12:28:40 (UTC)
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Chisanga,
Thanks for ur message. Prof Ali Zumla did gain the Windrush 2003 Professional of the Year award on Saturday.Staff at the UTH Research Centre in Lusaka are over the moon! Prof Chintu and Dr Mwambwa are walking with smiles on their faces today! Will pass on your felicitations. Rageh Omar won the 2003 Media award at the same ceremony..for his BBC coverage of the Iraq War. Chisanga, Windrush was the name of the ship that brought the first immigrants from the West Indies to the UK.
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 12:14:00 (UTC)
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Dave et al,
You can stop Windows re-sizing images when you click on a link thus:
Go to "Control Panel" and click on the "Advanced Tab" - navigate down the menu to "Multimedia" and de-select "Enable Automatic Image Resizing"
When you do this the image will appear as intended so no need to have Photoshop etc to view the image in it's correct size.
I have spoken with Craig who has investigated the copyright issue on the map and he tells me we are in the clear to incorporate it into the GNR Maps section of the site.
I will work on that this week.
Heather,
Please can you check the map out for us and let me know if Dave has missed any of the old names - probably not, but just in case.
Johnny,
The map is available now - go back to Dave's posting made at yesterday at 20:18:20 UTC and click on the link. He has not used the Fish Eagles head icon, that is incumbent to the GNR site. The map is currently on Daves own site as a temporary measure.
I didn't go near a supermarket on my way to work but I passed a butchers shop so I bought some bullocks sweetbreads, I already have a bottle of rum. One of the blokes working here also left some Viagra tablets lying about on his desk. I will cram all this stuff in a jar when I get home, with an airtight lid and I will post it over in time for your next visit to Gill Main. Let me know if this works for you both better than the prunes.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 12:09:02 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Oh, I forgot... if you download the map, you can look at it in its proper size in an application, such as PhotoShop. If you just click the link, then it displays in your browser, scaled to fit. Thus you can't see detail. You should save the JPEG to disk and use an application, like PhotoShop or Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (which comes with your Windows XP Professional installation). You might have some other application to view bitmaps. They should all do the job.
If you have something else besides Windows XP, I don't know what you would use.
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 09:40:06 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
To all the people who thanked me for the map, you're welcome, and it was very kind of you to thank me! What manners, almost as good as us Continentals!
If you scroll down this message board, and find the posting in which I link to two modern Zambian maps, the first link is the original source of the map I used. Arthur, you know how to query the message board to see the URL. Please, do not use this map on the web site as a permanent feature unless we get permission. You know the deal.
About Pringles. I am SO relieved you agree with me Arthur. When they came out in that country I used to live in previous to here, I tried them: I had a knee-jerk reaction and spat them out. Now I notice here in Nederland, young kids, especially at the bioscoop (this is REALLY what the cinema is called in Nederland: this is the original source of our "bioscope"), kids buy tubes of this vile slurge and eat it during the show. Not as bad as in that place I used to live in, where they buy DRUMS of viscious popcorn sprayed with petroleum fake butter-product! I am saddened to hear that Antwerpen is the source of Pringles. Next time I go to the Holy City of Antwerpen, I will find the factory and I will destroy it. WE SHALL CLEANSE THE WORLD!
I will stop referring to myself as the Flounder. Sorry!
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 09:34:07 (UTC)
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Gill Main - Thank you for giving me a real good laugh at the possible phone message scenario! Brilliant!!!
And thank you for helping me in the quest - I live in hope - as I said Adele had her handbag stolen in Zim and with that all her contacts. I strongly believe she still owns her house in Cove Bay and hopefully the tenants will be good enough to respond.
Thanks again so far ...
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 08:58:41 (UTC)
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Dave thanks for a prompt answer to my request for the map.
Arthur when will it be available for the masses, I would hate to miss it, any one contemplating pickling figs the spirit was white rum, and the reason they had been in limbo for all those years was that I was a little wary on trying them, but then came along a perfect guinea pig to experiment on and after a reasonable wait to see if she fell down I then indulged my self they were mushy steric, I would imagine a period of around a month would be long enough to impregnate the figs with this delectable taste of course I would imagine that you could use the booze of your choice for indulging your own palet, happy pickling Johnny.
PS They are better than pickled onions.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 06:58:42 (UTC)
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Gill Main (and anybody else who's interested)
You could never keep a secret!!!!!!!
Yes, I got married (for the third time) to a lovely lady called Margaret. We met at work in May 2000 and have lived together since Sept 2001. We got engaged on her birthday last year in April and married this year on my birthday, also in April. Easier to remember aniversaries this way.
I did not do it secretly, just couldn't publish it as I have not had internet access since the end of March. I have been waiting all this time for the sperm counters (that's Telkom translated from Afrikaans to English), to install an ISDN line. They finally did it and lo and behold it went down on Sat morning. Seems somebody burned the cable somewhere down the line, but its back up again.
Margaret is Greek Orthodox and because the SA govt. does not recognise weddings in the Greek church, we have to have a civil wedding, performed 30 April and will have a church wedding with reception on 06 September. The timing is to allow for ID books to be changed and passports issued. Then its off to Greece, Cyprus, Switzerland, Greece and home. She is a divorcee with two kids. You will have to wait till September for photies.
This brings the number of offspring I am responsible for to 8. Two stepsons and a daughter from wifey 1, a daughter and twin boys per wifey 2 and now hers, boy and girl. Ages range from 6 to 28. Just to keep the tradition, we will have another.
There have been a number of concerns about the age gap (my 51 to her 28) and we finally concluded that age is a number, maturity a value. She also feels happier being an old man's darling rather than a young man's slave, which was her previous situation.
I have left formal employment and am starting my own business. Begin trading next month. Hope to make lots of boodle and diddle the receiver. Having been in Corporate employment most of my working life, he has taken a great deal from me. Now its payback time.
BTW, I have some photies of the Muf Flying Club and some of the environs from the air. I will publish them once I work out how to submit them. These were taken in the 70's and show the extensions to the Clubhouse. Will be interesting to compare them to an earlier lot I saw which were taken before the extensions were done.
Nuff for now
Cheers
Owen Thomas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Henley on Klip, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 22:08:57 (UTC)
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Dawid
Thanks for the cool map ! - the Northern Rhodesians amongst us can now pinpoint the place names Heather uses when she travels around Zambia.
Maybe we can incorporate the map into the GNR proper? Craig can we do this? It would be a shame to lose it and will be so useful to the GNR members who are yet to join.
I have an e-mail today from Ted Mills in Capetown - a 1960's map of the Federation is on its way on a CD rom. I look forward to that one.
And since I've been nice to you so far Dave, I'd better now throw in a raw prawn or two.
1/ Where did you steal the map from ?
2/ Those Pringle things you mentioned a day or two back - I also think they're disgusting, you would never guess where those on sale in the UK are made - ANTWERP ! Did you also say that this was a cool city ?
3/ Why have you stolen my Flounder title ? Have you ever caught one yourself ? Next time I catch one I'll have to throw it back now, it will remind me of you too much. I just cannot eat ugly fish.
Naatchies
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 21:59:36 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Wow that was an EASY win... you had all day to beat me. But here you go, here is a map of Zambia with the old names added in red uppercased italic characters. Please note the most important one is the biggest one.
This map will be available at the following URL for a limited time of 48.723 hours. It will then be gone. It is large. I cannot keep it on my server forever.
Map of Zambia with old places in red by Dave Cooper with love
You're welcome.
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 20:18:20 (UTC)
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MORE MEMORIES OF GROWING UP IN NKANA/KITWE
Shortly after I was born my sister Lena got married to Joe Windell and moved into a mine house at 59 Central street and they often looked after me when the need arose. One of those occasions was when my parents received a telegram from family in Kimberly to say that my Grandfather was very ill and that my parents should come as soon as possible.
So train tickets were booked and my parents went off to South Africa, leaving me in the capable hands of my Sister and Brother in-law.
Those of you who can remember, it was quite common in those days, that when you went on leave you got some family to move into your "leave house" and look after it while you were away.
Now, the people who lived next door to my sister were away on leave and a family with a boy and girl my age were looking after their house. We soon became friends and spent alot of time playing together, but in the afternoons after lunch I had to go and lie down till 3 o'clock. It did'nt take me long to sneak out the house when everyone was asleep to go and play next door. Well my sister and brother in-law soon devised a plan to keep me in my room. They used to take my pants and underpants away from me, which not only embarressed me, but kept me in my room (come to thnk of it, I should have tried that stunt on my two boys when they were young). No, maybe not! As I still occasionally have dreams of being in public without my pants on.
Maybe one of you on the GNR went into the field of Psychology and might be able to comment on the possibility of my childhood experience having a bearing on my dreams or maybe it is a macho thing.
FRIDAY THE 13TH
When I was still very young, an incident occured which affected my eldest Brother Alf for a long time.
On this particular Friday the 13th, It may have been a Good Friday as no one was at school, my brother and a bunch of his friends went down to the Kafue River, at the end of Central street for a picnic (near the pump station).
Unfortunately one of the youngsters took a pistol with him and the guys were taking turns to shoot across the river. Sadly, while the gun was being passed to someone else it went off, fatally injuring one of the boys. By the time help was arrived the boy had died.
I don't know who was all there, other than my brother, but maybe someone out there might remember the incident. It must have been in the early 50's.
After this incident my brother developed a phobia and would worry himself to death on a Friday the 13th. This continued until his son was born on a Friday the 13th, and being a fit and healthy little boy, seemed to have cured him.
Cheers for now.
Phil
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 20:11:40 (UTC)
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Lynne,
Sorry to hear my suggestion didn't work. Good luck with the rations. :)
Betty,
Please contact me directly and tell me what you are trying to do, as you haven't provided me with enough information here.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 20:08:12 (UTC)
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Geoff and Kerry Rawlinson, well strike me down with a feather the good ole GNR has done it again. Kerry, never knew you got married in Z-land and have tried to contact you also Tracy as my niece, Debbie Gilges who also went to St Andrews, always asked me if I knew where she ended up, they were good friends.
Geoff, had Les my sis look at the photies, I remembered another two faces and was pointing at, in my words, the little short Londoner bloke (sorry Dave Driver if you are reading this). Also the sixth guy along in the first photo, the tall one, rather dishy looking - still don't have a name but as a rather impressionable young gal at the time certainly recall a bit of drooling, who is he?
Kris Massie - looked in the phone book and got all excited as the second A Martin listed lives in Cove Bay so phoned but alas an ansaphone. Left a message with my telephone number but in my exhuberance (it's great getting mates back together again) might had muddled things up and left a missive like, "Hello are you Adele, do you have a sister called Diane, if so Kris Massie would like to butcher you". No, don't worry, only joking. Just hope it is the right family otherwise the 'Bobbies' might come calling.
Doug - Johnny knows how to (eat and drink at the same time) - when I was in Scarborough he produced a rather evil looking jar and suggested we taste the contents thereof. I was dubious but having lived in Z-Land have always maintained I will try anything once. It was figs that had been soaked in spirit, no - not meths- for 20 years!!!! Great stuff.One day my liver will find its way home. No seriously, was very good.
My outgoing e-mail is still not working so...
Suzie Matwetwe in NZ - will catch up very soon - you are elusive. I hate time differences. Every time I phone you - ansaphone, every time you phone me, ansaphone.
Sparky - you missed the plot My Dear - one month too late!
Ricky Rosewarne - why didn't you tell me earlier that you are a computer buff??? HELP.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 19:35:18 (UTC)
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Dear Craig Hartnett,
Hi, this is Lynne Pain, Phil's wife. I would like to thank you for your words of encouragement to get Phil to spend more time with me instead of the GNR, unfortunately they fell on deaf ears!!!! By the way I had make all kinds of promises to him for his password so that I could thank you! (HE! HE! I won, but for all the time he has already spent on the GNR, there will be broken promises!!)
Thanks again for your attempt, but it did'nt help! I will have to resort to rations!
Cheers
Lynne
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 19:24:59 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Well I calculated the time it was taking to look at all the stupid maps posted by loosers around the world, and figured I could do the map that Johnny wanted quicker than trying to locate a colonial map of NR.
I can do this because I located a modern of Zambia, and I have the Atlas for Rhodesia & Nyasaland which was issued to ALL of you by your Northern Rhodesian government when you were sent off to school.
I have made the map and I will post on my server, and you can download it. If you ask me how to download it, I will tell you use FTP at your command line. That's how I do it.
I am waiting for Craig to OK an upload of this 1 MEGABYTE JPEG file (did you read that? one megabyte is what I said... are you ready for that?) to my server located in the FABULOUS and WONDERFULLY PERFECT country of CANADA!
Stand by...
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 14:21:45 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Thought I would check on the progress of anyone else finding maps of Northern Rhodesia and Zambia. I see nothing yet from anyone else. But if you are searching and taking up this challenge, stop looking for Zambia. There are plenty. I have these two so far:
Modern map of Zambia, no. 1
Modern map of Zambia, no. 2
Both have been reported on the GNR before. So my search for them was a re-invention of the wheel and wasted time.
Actually, there IS an old colonial map of the Federation on the GNR. It was one of the first images I posted on this website. I won't tell where it is. You can find it. But I will say that the detail is not good, since I scanned it at 72 dpi, and it was a mineral map, and so shows not all the towns. But if you are a REAL Northerner, you will instantly recognise the book it came from, because it SHOULD have been in your satchel everyday.
Now bad to search for colonial maps... unless you get one before me.
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 13:37:34 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Given the fact that some people work at jobs and then come home and work on the GNR, and others have more time on their hands, like myself for example... I suggest a challenge:
I bet you can find a map of Northern Rhodesia with old place names and a map of Zambia with new place names on the World Wide Web.
Then you could print out the maps, or display them in an editor such as Photoshop and make the notations yourself!
So, I jumped to it a few seconds ago... and what would I put in the search string, folks? Why of course, let's start at www.google.com with something like, er, let's see, "colonial map of northern rhodesia" perhaps? Hmmmm, over 10 pages of hits. Sounds promising. The second string should be easier, since maps of modern Zambia should be everywhere.
But I get distracted... I find something which Craig suggested we look at some months ago. We all remembers this, right, since we all pay attention when Craig speaks. And we give him the respect to check out the sites recommends. At least I think we do. The site is about maps of colonial Northern Rhodesia... alas, no town names, but I decide to investigate further. This is called surfing, folks.
The site is WHKMLA Historical Atlas, History of Zambia. I will leave YOU to find the URL (you can do it, I promise). So I decide to find out what and who is WHKMLA, as I notice it links to the GNR! This is so typical of surfing... link to link to link to link...
WHKMLA is produced by the Korean Minjok Leadership Academy... an academy (whatever that is) in the south Korean countryside. It has 200 students with a faculty of 50.
Unbelievable, the GNR is used by this Korean countryside academy to teach people about Zambia.
Think about this for a minute. All I was doing was hacking away at homemade HTML because I had a motorbike accident and was laid up in my bedroom and my company was telling us the new technology of HTML produced things called Web Pages which took benefit of Tim Berners-Lee's invention called the World Wide Web. And I wanted to find some lost friends from Northern Rhodesia!
This is knocks me out, folks! Maybe not you. Anyway... back to the maps...
You can beat me at this? That's the challenge.
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Your Friendly Flounder
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 12:37:21 (UTC)
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I am still having problems accessing the Names Directory despite the message that this function was programmed into the site during the week of 12 May. Is this a general problem or is the problem at my end?
Glad to hear the numbers attending the Livingstone Lark are increasing. Would love to have gone but it wasn't to be.
Betty Mahady (née Horn) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 12:28:20 (UTC)
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Arthur when you have recovered from your latest maps excercise woul'd it be possible for you to obtain an old map of NR nothing elaborate ,and put the new names along side the old names of places that have changed there names after 1964 just pen the new names in so we can orientate ourselves again when Heather goes off on her rambles, I canot remember now what they call Fort Roseberry or Fort Jamieson but I think this could be due to senile dementia rather than memory loss. Cheers Mate Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, June 23, 2003 at 11:50:49 (UTC)
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GNR Members
It has been brought to my attention that I failed to mention Dave Cooper as a member of the GNR Management Team in my most recent posting.
No slight was intended and I apologise for any hurt caused to Dave who I have always recognised as the Founder of this website.
Ian Singer
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 20:20:13 (UTC)
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Northerners !
As promised the cleaned up Kalulushi Map.
Original Map Courtesy of Geoff Rawlinson
Please bear in mind that although tiny in comparison to the one on my PC, the image is quite large and will take time to download for those of you who are on dial-up internet connections.
I managed to squeeze it down to around 480kb. This is a bigger vesion than the one I first posted on this month's message board on the 7th June, which is still available in it's original version. The new Kalulushi map will be added to the GNR maps section later on.
All the maps I have dealt with over the last few months will be available on a CD ROM at a date sometime in the future. These are high-resolution versions suitable for printing. I'm just waiting for one or two other maps to turn up...
Geoff - my thanks to you on behalf of The Great North Road and it's members for sharing this with us all.
Arthur
Ian
Fantastic work.
Bet you're glad that's over, and you're welcome.
Without your help and encouragement I probably would have given up a few days after I started helping out on the GNR, so it was payback time. Only glad I could return a favour or two, you have a brilliant site.
Hope you can get some good sailing in now - and don't forget to take the wife.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 17:52:41 (UTC)
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GILL MAIN
Thank you for your congrats... Paudie is recovering...
Hi to all the GNR's and anyone who took the time to surf my new website ~ over a 100 of you ~ thanks, I appreciate your interest.
Yes ~ Ian Signer ~ I echo Ali ~ 3000 scans! You must deserve a medal!
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:09:51 (UTC)
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Hi all
I would just like to say that Ian singer is a legend.......
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 14:28:44 (UTC)
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Hi All
I am pleased to say that all thirty Northern Rhodesia Journals are now available. I haven't counted the pages exactly but at a rough guess I would say 3000 which should keep you as busy reading them as it has me scanning them!
I would like to record my gratitude to my parents, Mona and Marshall Singer, Angus MacDonald, John and Paddy Fleming and to the Great North Road team, namely Arthur Steevens, Heather Chalcraft and Craig Hartnett.
These are the folk who donated or lent precious copies of the Northern Rhodesia Journal so that the world could enjoy them. Thank you!
Now I want to work on things that don't have 100 pages each! I will do some tidying up of the NRJs - some of my early scanning efforts could do with some work but for the moment - that's all folks!
Regards Ian
Arthur - I'm away this week but I'll get in touch soon about returning the GNR copies thanks again! Ian
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 14:23:36 (UTC)
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www.nrzam.plus.com has been updated.
These three issues have been made available through the generosity of the Great North Road website: http://www.greatnorthroad.org
Added Volume IV - No. 5 - 1961
The Whale Headed Stork or Shoe-bill: Legend and Fact
Old Mkushi in 1912
Sunken Lakes in the Ndola District
The Evacuation of Kasama in 1918
A Note on African Taxes and Tax Stamps
Company Days
The Feira Affair, 1917
A Note on the Forts of the Eastern Province
Wild Life in Northern Rhodesia
Kanyanta and His Times
Notes: Luangwa Valley - West Side. /New contributors to this number /R N (Bawana Bob) Stewart /Nkala: An abandoned mission on the Kafue Flats /More about Jack Merry /The oldest railway engines /Trading in the Lukanga Swamps /The Nyasaland Society /Where was Fundu?
Lusaka Natural History Club
Correspondence: Lake Lusiwashi and Sumbu /Josselin de Jong /Pioneer Farmers in the Northern Province /Chinungu: War Time Boma /Thornton and Rumsey of Mbesuma
Book Reviews
Added Volume V - No. 2 - 1962
Kafue-Namwala in 1912 Part II
Livingstone to Fort Jameson before the Great East Road
Local Bird Photography
Trading on the Luapula 1900-4 Part II
The Development of Medical and Health Services at the Roan Antelope Part 1
"It's Funny but it's True" - Lusaka becomes the Capital
The Baldwin Diary, Part 1
The P.E.A. Rebellion of 1917: The Diary of Rev. Father Moskopp, S.J.
History of the Northern Rhodesia Rifles
Changes in the Structure of African Commerce, Lusaka
Notes: Camels in Northern Rhodesia /
First records No.18: The first woman, the first child and the first honeymooners to visit Victoria Falls. /Notes on an old whisky bottle. /Livingstone to Kasama and back, 1917-18. /New Contributors to this Number /Some waterfalls in the vicinity of the Kalomo River. /Low stone banks or walls in the Mazabuka District.
Correspondence: Chapman of Chansa /Erratum: Wildlife in Northern Rhodesia /The history of Abercorn /Traction Engines /Philip Jelf Comments /Errata /
Book Reviews
Publication Fund
Lusaka Natural History Club
Added Volume V - No. 3 - 1963
The First Copper Mines in Northern Rhodesia, Part I
Mpesenii and the Exploration Companies, 1885-98
Jack Cowie . . . and a Number of Others
The Baldwin Diary, Part II
Kapembwa
The Development of Medical and Health Services at the Roan Antelope, Part II
Mutende: The Newspaper for Africans
David Livingstone: A Chonology
Trading on the Luapula, 1900-04, Part III
Notes: The level of Lake Tanganyika /Joseph William Sharratt-Horne /First visit of a Governor to Lealui, Barotseland /Some waterfalls in the vicinity of the Kalomo River - map omitted from Vol. 5 No. 2 /New contributors to this number /Livingstone Town Services: The Beginnings /H J Van Breda: Some reminiscences /First records - No.19. The first farm and the Walker Family
Correspondence: Mounds in the Kalomo and Mazabuka Districts /Kafue-Namwala in 1912 /Andrew Law and W.B. Knight /More about Fundu /Tanganyika: a postmark /Paramount Chief Lewanika /Fort Young and Fort Patrick /Was Cinunda's the first Fort Jameson?
Book Reviews
The Publication Fund
Northern Rhodesia Society: Statement of Accounts
Lusaka Natural History Club
Regards Ian
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 14:07:10 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
A number of people on this website and elsewhere not on this website have told me that they will be in Amsterdam this summer. I invited them to give me a ping or ring when they are here. I always follow-through with hospitality, and I usually spend time with the people, offering as much of a tour of my neighbourhood (you can do that here, it is not a housing tract in a suburb that looks the same as any other suburb), and you can walk (motor cars are not part of life in Amsterdam---they figured out how to do this a long time ago)... so walking, albeit difficult at time for me (for those of you who don't know me, I have a serious motorbike injury), is what we do, or we hop a tram, a boat, a bus, bicycle taxi, or we sit on the bank and watch the boats on the canal outside my door... it is summer.
However, you need to give me some notice when you are here. If you are here on a Friday, it is best to alert me (about a week before) of when you intend to ring. I am strict with my timeliness, as the Dutch are not. I give people a buffer of 10 minutes before and after the time agreed, then I consider them non-shows. Being that this is an interesting place to live, I try not to remain in the flat for longer than is necessary... I take my breakfast at a local café, I wander the ancient beautiful streets and steegen, I watch the colourful parade of people enjoying themselves... it is summer. I do not sit besides the telephone waiting for calls. I refuse to get a mobile phone---that is too yuppy for me! You have to ring me on the landline at an agreed time.
I am in Amsterdam until 9 July, when I change to the complete opposite of what life is like in Amsterdam---I find myself in a sea of cars and suburbs and malls and freeways and cars and cars and cars and traffic jams and cars and freeways and suburbs and cars---Los Angeles.
Hope to hear from you soon...
Tot straks...
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 11:40:27 (UTC)
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Hello all GNRers
Sending you all a very big long lost mooooooo!
I was woken up this warm Sunday morning at 7.30am with the loudest and longest claps of thunder I have ever heard in England - the window of my bedroom shook (no comments from you Johnny!) What it did do however, was jolt me back to my roots in Africa. It is only there I have experienced that volume and duration of thunder! The kind that starts with the loudest crack then just rumbles on and on, fading into the distance. Anyhow, I lay there for a while thinking of those 'first rains' after the long dry season and 'suicide' month. What joy, we would just run and stand outside with our faces to the sky and get soaked. I also recall jumping in and out of the storm ditch full of rushing water. When I think of it now, could quite easily have been swept away under the culvert that went under the drive and be lost forever! But we were tough or was it stupid? The Rapids was another one, it's okay to swim here as the crocs don't like the rocks! Hmmm, soon found out why, as body surfing over them was great fun, albeit painful at times.
Anyhow, those thoughts drew me to the GNR message board, so I've have spend a drizzly Sunday morning trying to catch up with the wonderful stories and pictures being posted - think I'll probably need the whole day! But chores call and golf this afternoon, so better not linger too long.
Keep up the good work everyone, take care and big hug to you all.
Moimoo Fivecows
xxx
To my wonderful sisters Theresa, Linda and Glenda - love you lots.
Moi
Moira Fenwick [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dorking, Surrey, England
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 09:24:15 (UTC)
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ARTHUR,
thanks a million for the pictures, a total supprise. A couple of years ago when my mom passed away at the age of 91 I asked the family to keep a big box old photos that she had for me, sadly this was not done and I think they have been thrown away. (A lot of photographic history lost.)
It was almost a tradition that when we got together with her She loved to pull the box out and go through the photo's and tell us stories about the people and places, what made the collection interesting was that my mom had recorded the date, event and who was who on all the photo's
I have asked my sons in N.Z. to watch the message board so that they may learn a little of what it was like to grow up in Paradise. (Without colour T.V. )
Well you caught me with a sucker punch with the photo of F.K.'s school play. If the dates are correct I am in the chorus line at the back with the boys. I remember we had to sing with some kids dancing the 2nd. Minuet. Geez! real sissy stuff.
I will not challenge you again till I have done my homework .
The map of Fredrick Knapp must have been drawn around the time I started there, because at the end of my first year there all the standard 6's and above moved to KITWE HIGH. Maybe someone can tell us all why the school was eventually split into a boys and girls school with a massive fence between the schools? ( I have heard many rumours, but would like to hear from a horses mouth )
As to the spelling of our surname as Payne is another story I will share with you sometime.
Thanks a million again for the pic's, brought a tear to my eye.
Thanks
Philip
NB. Leave my spelling alone, I type with one finger and can't watch the screen and the keyboard at the same time.
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 06:48:17 (UTC)
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Hello there,
Well there I was checking the gnr site out and in the address book I saw a name Cathy Ferris, I have been looking for the Ferris family for some 30years, you can imagine my delight when I saw this name. At first I thought no that cannot be Cathy and low and behold it is.
Roseanne her sister was at school with me and she was my brides-maid so I am really looking forward to hearing from her.
Cathy there was a neighbour of yours looking for you on the site, you must check the archives and see if you can find the message.
It really is amazing the things that this site manages to achieve.
Bye for now and have a great weekend one and all
Love Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Almelo, Netherlands
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 15:56:12 (UTC)
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Ayub
Ali Zumla certainly deserves congratulations. Please pass on my congrats to him. There is another Zambian at London University (Imperial College) who teaches and researches Genetics. Quite brilliant by all accounts. His name is Felix Munkonge. He comes from a line of doctors and businesspeople. Dr. Z might wish to contact him, if they have not already met.
Heather
Thanks. I have been made aware of Ilyashi.com. I have visited the site and I must say it is very well done.
Chisanga Puta-Chekwe [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 15:07:18 (UTC)
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Oh Oh Oh Heather Eina,
John Deere is the best tractor ever made! And you get to wear those neat green & gold windjammers with a jumping deer on them, just like the springbok team.
After doing my national service in the Rhodesian army 1958 / 59 and before going to Gwebi Agricultural college I worked for Smith and Bennet the Rhodesian John Deere agents. We used to go to all the shows and ploughing competitions and John Deere always used to flatten the opposition plowing deep and straight in the hardest soil. Case tractors weren't too bad but some of the others couldn't even scratch the surface.
Cheers - Doug - the John Deere Fan
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 11:24:09 (UTC)
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Welcome back Gill,
Was that whisky flavoured salmon or whisky flavoured biltong? No wonder Johnny is coming to visit. Now he can eat and drink at the same time.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 11:12:45 (UTC)
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Livingstone Lark
The numbers are creeping up slowly - 15 definites from outside of Zambia so far and an email to tell me that there are plenty coming from South Africa, but no names yet.
If you need a visa, you can download the forms here
Charlie
In my family, one does not mention the name John Deere in the same sentence as combine, tractor or any piece of agricultural equipment - I was taught that from a very early age.
I can imagine the sunburn. My dad's first combine was a little tractor drawn one with no cab and which, for the first two seasons, he drove himself - three or four weeks on the tractor from about 7 in the morning until 9 or 10 at night and in the October sun. Except of course, my father is a real farmer with a real Boere tan and used to the sun. After the third year, he bought a self-driven one with a cab, but also taught a driver to drive it and the only driving he did was at lunch and supper time when he relieved the driver.
And I think it was his third combine - my brother loaded the combine and the maize and wheat heads onto a truck in Durban but 'yena enzeela makulu mistake'- he forgot to check the height going under one of the flyovers and removed the cab. And as always, the combine arrived just in time for that years' wheat crop so they were back to no cab again.
Chisanga
There is now an online newspaper in Bemba - Ilyashi
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 10:09:38 (UTC)
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Geoff Rawlinson
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Forgot to mention
Your photies - John Gregson stands out ( a couple of the other faces also seem familiar but it would have been more my sister's age group) and the fish you caught at Nkamba Bay, it is Keri Van-Niekerk (I "fagged" for her at St Andrews School in SA).
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 02:22:22 (UTC)
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Hello Peeps
An apology - have just got my e-mail up and running again after quite a long period of inactivity (well, almost - downloaded 159 messages which took forever but can't send any out) so please bear with me - still luv ya all. Unfortunately my address book has gone to that great Nigerian scammers paradise in the sky, or whatever, as I reformatted my hard drive.
Would just like to say Mucho mucho Congrats to Sue Forde, great stuff, and hope that Paudie isn't too stressed out with his studying.
Also, Owen Thomas, you sly old dog, kept your wedding very quiet but don't worry I feel no shame about broadcasting it! Photies please?
Bridget, I know my timing stinks..... has it ever been any different, remember I'm a Main. Will catch up with you later.
Debs, the biltong box is still in the back of the car - see paragraph above - guess you kinda knew that anyway - manyana, could always use the excuse that I didn't have the instructions - which is true so as soon as you e-mail them I will go into production.
Have been reading with interest all the messages about biltong. Friends of mine in Aberdeen own a fish house with a smoke room and have been experimenting with different flavours of salmon etc. Would it be possible to make, say, whisky flavour? I know venison is served up with a red wine sauce so...... - Heather is right - fatty, wet biltong was the best but owing to the demise of my teeth, will have to invest in a grinder. Uncle Johnny Green is coming to stay for a week in July so we can investigate this further - no not the grinder - he still has his own teeth!
Norman - I think the reason that people haven't sent in any photographs of the Muf reunion is because you were there..... our own resident photographer ... they don't want to put themselves to shame (eg. I have a wonderful picture of your back, the lighting is very subtle, possibly because the flash on my disposable camera wasn't working but I must admit it is one of my better photographs as I managed to capture your whole back plus head and feet in it - a veritable masterpiece for me). Did you get a list of everybody there?
TTFN
Gill
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 01:58:11 (UTC)
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Over the past 3 years I have searched for my ex school friend via various internet websites. I am pleased to say that thanks to your web site we have eventually made contact with each other. Haven't seen each other for over 35 years so lots to catch up on.
Many thanks for your members help and keep up the good work, for without this site old friend would be lost forever
Elizabeth Lawson (née Robinson, formerly Eardley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lancashire, England
Friday, June 20, 2003 at 22:44:24 (UTC)
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I am looking for Debbie Clarke who lived in Ndola her brother's name was Conrad, also Sue Cartwright who was her friend.
Anyone know the whereabouts of either please let me know.
Keith Markotter [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, June 20, 2003 at 14:32:30 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Talking about the Beatles is not entirely germane to the intent of the Great North Road website, unless of course you put them in the context of those early years on LM Radio, Springbok and in Fabulous magazine... BUT... I just wanted to tell any of you out there who are fans of this Liverpool group that the DVD, The Beatles Anthology knocked my plaid and orange and blue socks off. I got it at Saturn, the world's largest CD shop in Köln... that is a city on the Rhenus in Germania Inferior. I paid only 40 euros and there are about 7 or 8 DVDs with two 70 minute episodes on each. Many new versions, some new songs, and i found no hype whatsoever. very honest. good to hear old myths dispelled and total honesty about drugs and what not. nice to see Ringo speaking his mind and turning out to me to be a pretty straightforward bloke. interesting to see how they interact with each other... george is so northern! anyway, if you were a fan, and I was a big fan and i remain so today... you will really enjoy this set. i find it the most interesting and well produced production i have ever seen on dvd. great to see such clarity and crisp shots... better than when we saw them on the scratchy old RTV and BBC. Wow the trip in Amsterdam was something else... blokes diving into the canals and what not. They hated Japan and the Phillipines... great how they stood up the Marcos's..good old yer chaps!
Beatles forever!
Dave Sends Hugs
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, June 20, 2003 at 14:26:47 (UTC)
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Heather,
Those photos remind me of the time, during a varsity break, when Blake Oelerman and I drove two John Deer combines from Lusaka to Broken Hill. By the time we got to the Ploughman's Arms - we were ready for a few ales; and by the time we hit BH (some 10+ hours on the road), we were as red as beetroots from the sun. It was as hot as hell - and if there was any on-coming traffic, we had to lift the tines above the concrete milestones, causing the belts to bind, and the damn things would start harvesting. I remember calculating the cost of those two combines would have purchased 6 brand new Jaguar XJ6's.
By the way, are you sure the Friesian in your photo isn't progeny of the one in Bob's photo?
Dawid.... Wot's all this 'darling' nonsense? Our Gemsbok are on my 'mpongozi' (in-laws) lands, in the North Western Cape - so you can look forward to a long drive. Hopefully, I'll get there next month.
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, June 20, 2003 at 11:54:11 (UTC)
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