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Is that a Volvo sports car in the photo of Van's? I was trying to explain to my hubby what they were like as Butch Anderson and Corrie Venter used to race each other in them on the way to sessions at Good Hope Farm. I remember screaming my head off at 100 mph while we would be side by side, waiting to see who would veer off first. I am constantly talking to my teenage son about how he is NOT invincible and wondering why he looks straight through me when I do. I forgot how crazy we were as kids too!
Does anyone have Moira Fenwick's current email please? I sent her something and it bounced back. I am trying to find the photo she either sent me or posted on the GNR of the MGB GT that Raymond Jeffries owned, and which I smashed through Geoff's Garage showroom in. Glenda? Linda? Moira? Glenda, you are using my defunct email address when you send me stuff, so please respond through the GNR if you see this.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 21:47:29 (UTC)
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Hi Sue,
Gee! don't feel bad about your memory, I am lucky I can remember most things from nearly 50 years ago but have trouble remembering things current. Heard a joke on East Coast Radio the other day.
An old guy was asked. "If you have a choice later in life of having Oldhimers or Parkingsons Diesese, which would you choose?"
After a little thought the old guy replied. "I guess I would rather have Parkinsons because I would rather spill a little of my drink than forget where I put it"
I can't remember any names from back then but I can remember most of the things a Cub had to have on his person at inspection.
A piece of string
A pencil
A note pad or a sheet of paper
A hankie
A pocket knife
Matches (Recipe for disaster)
You were to be ready for any emergency.
I remember having to do "BOB A JOB" to raise funds.
The easy way out was to pester your family, although thinking back now I think my brothers took advantage of me for the bob.
I am getting a" HAIRY EYE BALL" better go to bed now.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 20:11:02 (UTC)
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Tina
Thank you for your (as usual) eloquent defence...
Phillip Pain
My brother Patrick Forde was in the Scouts with Corrie Venter and.... what was that chaps name that ran the troop? A really nice guy... I am ashamed of myself that I can't remember. He talked about Tinker's Claim a lot.
I know that Pat used my dad's powder blue Dodge Polara to ferry a few scouts around, once I think he even managed to fit 12 in!
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 17:21:01 (UTC)
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corrections : work is good fun and pics of Vans were SPOT on
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 16:13:08 (UTC)
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Hi Doron, I spoke to Chris george in SA some years ago, he is around somewhere. Last time I saw Peter Korb (Joes little boet) we were at Kariba for a weekend. He had picked up a chicken somewhere and had it following him on a string for the weekend, I think he ate it Sunday afternoon. I have seen Frank Giannoccaro a few times in SA and actually tried to phone him today as I saw his brothers Sam and Jimmy at the racetrack on Saturday.Last time I saw Ali Watson was in the 20th Cinema about 1967, he was hanging out with some greek or portuguese mates, haven't seen or heard of him since. Sam Giannoccaro mentioned Fats and Theo on saturday so they are still around. Roy Mayoss came to SA some years ago and I saw him for a while, in and out of jobs and small companies he was trying out. He had a bad car prang, bust his leg up and it wouldn't heal, he was on crutches, they wanted him in hospital for a few months, he said but couldn't afford the time off his work adventures. He went back to Manchester where he wrote a book "A Taste for Dust". I got it off my brother Ross (band drummer Sounds Five, Ginger Cookie & some others) when I visited. Roy's sister Lynn wrote he is not well at present. I never saw Gene Pecker after a party in 1966 at somewhere in Kabulonga. Funny, Roy was with me that night. We had made some home made firecrackers: a whole box of firework mixture and about 30 flashbomb powders all packed into a ronson multifil canister. We set this up on the plot next door and lit it. What a bloody bang and huge cloud of pink smoke and coloured stars. The cops rocked up and closed the party, we weren't popular. I worked for Zambia Motor Spares in 1967 and then left for Kitwe and joined Diesel-Electric the Bosch people. Still with them at Diesel-Electric Springs selling tools and equipment, machinery and any technical supplies, good fund and always enough loot for a sticky bun and a coke. Thanks for the note, keep writing with any news. Thanks Heather for the pics of Vans - they are sot on!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 16:08:05 (UTC)
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Trevor Norman
Happy Birthday
BOB GILLIES
Here are some photos of Vans taken many years ago (and originally posted on the GNR in January 2002), although I am not sure exactly when. About two years ago, they knocked the old building down and replaced it with one of those awful buildings that fits BP's 'corporate image' and these photos were found with bits of concrete and other unknown matter on them. Arthur cleaned up the scanned images.
I don't know of any other Bevis Coventry, but if I see any of that clan, I shall ask. Doug Cantlay is still farming in Mazabuka and does have email if you would like to contact him.
CHANDRU KRISHNA
Thanks - I have read the review, but am ploughing through the book to see what he has to say.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 15:25:43 (UTC)
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bob gillies,
i remember you well also. van's garage, what a gathering place that was. it's amazing how zambia was exactly like a small american town from the 50's. there were times when there were 50 people there in the evening, talking, hanging out, generally having a good time. btw, bess passed away many years ago.
others who frequented the place were chris george, peter korb, frank genocara, ali watson, jack wild, ken...boxer guy, fats and theo govia, roy mayoss, gene pecker and many more.
those were really the days.
bob, you're right, i would never have taken you as a puter guy.
what are you up to these days?
doron grill
doron grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 13:34:09 (UTC)
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Tina "Sniffer" Magee,
As a relatively 'New' poster to the site I wish to sincerely congratulate you on your wonderfully descriptive terminology.
Your "woman beautiful as the cascading Zambezi dancing over the Falls.........." etc is quite priceless, and of course no gentleman worth his salt would ever contemplate the use of the word 'old' in relation to the dear ladies of the GNR.
BUT, I ask myself, are we indeed the gentlemen that you seem to think we are?
It is of course widely acknowledged, at least between Bancroft and Luanshya, that the Copperbelt produced REAL men, as opposed to those wimpy fellows from Lusaka and the other so-called 'administrative' centres, although few even of them could have been accurately described as gentlemen. Yet even they would hesitate to use the term "long in the tooth", perhaps favouring
"of mature years". Certainly never 'old'.
However, I do think you may have hit the nail on the head when alluding to the ageless scent of the siren!
And was the mourning dove actually suffering from a bereavement, or was it just early in the day? It also crossed my mind that suppuration might have happily been substituted for sussuration, but decided not to mention it.
Come on you 'OLD' poster - out of the comfort zone - get sniffing. Your olfactory organs will need to be pretty effective to reach me here!!!
Regards
Ray Wright
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 12:57:36 (UTC)
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Philip
I see you mentioned 'Tinkers Claim'. My brother Paul Brock was in the Rovers (Senior Scouts) in Kitwe and spent many weekends camping there along with Ron and Doug Janson, and others, (but I don't remember their names.) I also recall 'Eagles View'. Was that also there? How one's memory goes over the years.....
As for the school train adventures. That also brought back memories of my brother going to Falcoln College, near Bulawayo. My parents and I went over to Ndola from Kitwe to see him safely onto the train, bound for Bulawayo. What happened after that, we were never told much about, except that they used to get off the train at Livingstone and get a taxi to the Victoria Falls Hotel and then catch the train again, as it passed through the station. I think that was the high light of the trip. Don't recall him telling us of the green cushions, but guess he didn't tell us everything they got up to!!
Maybe as I read more of these messages it will bring back many more memories that one tends to forget.
I think we all have a Bond there somewhere, and times we will never forget.
Barbara Hey (née Brock) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 08:30:13 (UTC)
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Hi Donald
All this talk of Scouting and Boy Cubs brings back memories of TINKERS CLAIM I once attended a Jamboree there when I was a Boy Cub. I can still remember the ice cold clear water water of the river there and the Koppie we used to climb. I realy had fun there as a youngster.
If I remember correctly Tinkers was on a dirt road to the right hand side of the Kitwe Ndola road going to Ndola.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 04:17:35 (UTC)
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Artie
Re: "Old" Posters
Well of course ANY use of the term "old" in connection with myself or any of the other ladies of the GNR would simply conjure up the ageless essence of woman beautiful as the cascading Zambezi dancing over the Falls, the unfading frangipani-like scent of her presence, the siren allure of her speech like the breath of the wind in the long grass or the susurration of a mourning dove in the still heat of the African day. Now where did I put my rugby socks?
It's true enough, however, that we should all pop out of our comfy grass-lined meerkat burrows once in a while to talk to - I hesitate to say "sniff" - the new posters.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 23:17:59 (UTC)
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Heather and others,
There is a Times of Zambia review of Andrew Sardanis' book "Africa:Other Side of the Coin" on today's Zamnet website. Looks like an interesting book.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 22:20:54 (UTC)
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Peter
The omelette recipe looks really tasty, but maybe a little dainty for my tastes and much too complicated to cook all by myself. Can it be ordered with a large pork chop and chips as a side dish?
I'm still on the old "art"-nouveau diet, I hope Heather realises this, I have already told her my cooking skills are restricted to rough fry-ups and burning meat on the braai. All this healthy stuff I am supposed to eat looks good but leaves me feeling hungry half an hour later. I can taste the difference between margarine and butter, much to the dismay of Trish. I won't tell you how many sugars I have in my tea or coffee but it's more than two and if you took a photo of my dinner plate it would probably not make a good shot for a glossy cook book, but rather more suitable for a Sunday paper.
The age thing seems to have crept up as well, my family now measure how much I enjoyed my food by the amount that's left down the front of my shirt. Oh well.
Peter, good luck with the book, maybe we should get it added to the Books Section of the GNR and we can put a 100% mark-up on it for you (and me)? I'll mention it to Craig.
Ali
Ok - so where's proof - the photo?
The fly fishing I enjoy the most is with a small fly rod - 6'6" AFTM 3 and very small dry-flys around 18's to 24's and hunting down wild brownies in small brooks. Second comes fly fishing just by touch on a big river in pitch blackness around 11pm - 4am for sea trout, the electrifying take and subsequent fight is something else. If the fly fails there's always the blackbirds fancy.
I wonder if Scarscalp has noticed it has been raining a lot this week? Salar should be making a move.
Tina
Good to see you back on the scene, I wonder where one or two of the "old" posters like Lynthia have disappeared to?
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 21:27:36 (UTC)
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Sarky...
I will admit that the photo of my omellette on the cover is much nicer than the ones I ever cooked....
The four egg omelette filling is: 2 oz of smoked salmon, one small tomato, one green onion, two mushrooms, 1/4 tsp nutmeg, 1/4 tsp curry.
There are 60 omelette recipies in the book. I was really surprized mine was picked for the cover seeing I have curry and nutmeg ingredients.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 20:16:52 (UTC)
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Hi GNR's, Are there any old 13th Ndola Senior Boy Scouts out there? I was a founder member having moved up from the Ndola Sea Scouts. Can anyone remember the camp on the Kafue river near Mufulira, when skipper Johnson and a few others with the help of an african scout troop from Mufulira set up an attack on our camp. We also went on camp to the then new Kariba dam. Do any of you remember the trip to Lusaka for the jamboree. I remember the trip home when I managed to get into the girls coach and then could not get back to the boys coach until early next morning as the guide leader had locked the door between the coaches. I was only able to get back when the train stoped and I was able to jump out the window and run to the far end of the boys coach which was not locked. I'm sure some of the girls who helped to hide me from the guide leader was a Brenda Mullet and her sister . If I remember back that far, her father had a motor boat on the Dambo and I once went water sking behind his boat. I also remember a place on the Ndola/Kitwe road, after the turn to Luanshya where there was a dam with a tea room and bar. They had a long phoofy slide into the water.
As a kid, I with a lot of friends got up to all sorts of pranks, like swimming in the fresh water tank near the army camp in Northrise (although the army campwas not there at first). Then there was the storm drain that ran from Broadway under the town to the Handy gas yard near the railway line. We would also go to the lime quarry to around 16:00 to watch my uncle Charlie Dodd set of the charges for the next days work. I think if were had been caught at that game, we would of been half skinned by my uncle and our fathers would have compleated the job for him.
I left Ndola in 1964 to go to the army in Rhodesia and have only been back once, in 1966, to see my family who were then in Broken Hill.
Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 18:30:28 (UTC)
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Meg, Thanks for the reply, first time I have heard Kashitu mentioned for 44 years! It was 18 miles north of Kapiri, Bill Hunt - were you in that area? I was 10 while my dad was station foreman there in 1959. Next door was Dave Williams another foreman, they might have had a daughter, my mum in UK would know. Across the way was the pumper an ancient Mr. Tilly, and next to him was the platelayer an Italian called Bufulari, I cannot remember any kids at Kashitu, I have no sisters only a brother Ross who knows loads of names on this site but I have trouble incentivising him to log on and discover the incredible information being submitted by so many friends of the 60's and 70's. I'll prompt him again. I am sure it was a Bevis at boarding school at Gilbert Rennie from about 1962 to 1965, Keith was his cousin if I remember right. There was also Doug Cantly from Mazabuka who I believe is still farming there. Hi Doug. I well remember Doran Grill and his late twin brother Ofer, Bruce Vevers,Bruce and Clive Henly and James Warner. I had just overhauled my MG midget engine and was at Vans Garage with it,one evening in 1967. James got in, started it and revved the #$% out of it, I freaked and pulled him out the car by his neck, unfortunately more painfully than I intended - sorry James. How's your sister Bess? I also remember the Kafironda bang well. I was in the workshop in Diesel-Electric Kitwe with my indian repairman when it went off about midmorning.We thought it was the open pit blasting across the way until a while later he was called to the phone. His father was an engine driver with Zambia Railways and unfortunately that day was the driver of the loco at Kafironda. The phone call was bad news.They had found his dad's body miles away in the bush, but not much of the loco. As far as we were told it was parked at the station and the explosives started sweating and went off. That was it, my repairman was most upset that since they were in a railway house and his dad was now dead, the railways made the family vacate the house and return to India where he said, 'he would sit in the street in his payjamas' as there was no work there at all. I wonder what became of him, he was a very good worker. For years afterwards when I travelled to Muf on sales I saw the area of flattened trees which later started growing vertically again, I wish I had taken photos, it looked so wierd. I am really enjoying the GNR - I thought my nostalgic thoughts meant I was deficient in something and needed counselling but after following letters on the GNR I am NORMAL!! Can hardly wait to log in tomorrow, and I am NOT a computer person.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 16:32:20 (UTC)
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SARKY
Now the competition is really on - Peter, the one with the curly hair, is about to have one of his recipes published and he even made it to the front cover of the book.
You've been telling me that you do some mean cooking so what else can I do except make comparisons
CJ
Welcome back. But how about a 4,000-or-something km trip up to Livingstone?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 15:32:19 (UTC)
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Hello to all the Gentle Northern Rhodesians (GNRs) out there.
Today I'm stiff but feeling very mellow, having just returned from a 2000 km round trip to collect the main ingredient for making Gemsbok biltong. We also made about 40 kgs of Gemsbok boerwors while we were about it. It really was a great week - just soaking up the dry and auster beauty of Bushmanland. It was Thomas Pringle who wrote:
“The barren earth and the burning sky,
and the blank horizon round and round
Spread - void of living sight or sound.”
What great pleasure it was to spend every night reflecting on the events of the day, around a blazing fire in a skerm (windbreak) and chewing on grilled Karoo mutton chops. The air so crisp, and stars so bright that you felt their presence pressing down on you. Percival Gibbon summed it up when he wrote of the Great Karoo:
“Years and years I’ve trekked across it,
Ridden back and fore,
Till the silence and the glamour
Ruled me to the core;
No man ever knew it better,
None could love it more.”
(Now - which one of our subscribers must I thank for writing so much about biltong that I went 'nkuli' (meat-hungry) again?). Johnny G... I know you're an ex-'nkuli' man, and will email you snaps when I get the film developed.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 15:24:22 (UTC)
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high all, thanks for the info, the names dont ring any bells, but could you tell me more. but the quick sand does..and sliding into the water. and the tall grass. I remember having picnics at the kafue, just out of town...until I found GNR I was fogetting a lot about my time in muf. I can remember riding my bike with no mudgards on behind the water cart, wetting the roads , getting covered in mud. then a hiding when I got home, it was a lot of fun tho.. barry
Barry Morton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 09:49:05 (UTC)
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Paul Sullivan, Roger White
Happy Birthday
Bob Gillies
Earlier this month Bill Hunt told us that he had a girlfriend at Kashitu whose name he could not remember. Did you have a sister?
All the sidings still exist and are shown on the map of Zambia which I have. It's a wonderfully detailed map with all the little roads and rivers too, but unfortunately out of print. I have two copies and both are becoming pretty tatty. Kafulafuta is of course better known for the weighbridge that is there now and also the police station which ALWAYS has a road block.
Doubt whether it was Bevis Coventry getting up to such antics (he was the father and passed away a few years ago) - it was more likely Keith (or perhaps Lionel)
Meg Rybicki
You're very unfair to your mother. Although she never taught me (I went to boarding school when I would have been going into her class) I was looking forward to going into her class as both my brother and sister thought she was great.
Did you tell your mom we are expecting her to come and visit us in September?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 08:13:10 (UTC)
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Hi Wilma
I do remember the Eight Miler, as we used to call it.
We never road our bikes out there. It was a place where our Parents used to take us for braais. It was absolutely beautiful. As you say, a big pond area with the waterfall flowing into it. When we went there, there were never more than 3 other families around. I remember my brother jumping off the waterfall into the pond area and calling me a sissy. But I eventually got the courage to do it. After I came back from boarding school, in 1959, we went there only to find a big notice saying that there was bilarzia (spel) found in the water. It was a great disappointment, as we could no longer swim there again. But it came back to bite me. I found out I had bilarzia (spel), and had the awfull treatment for months, that they gave one those days. But I think for the fun and the joy that the Eight Miler gave me, it was worth it.
Madeleine
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 08:05:09 (UTC)
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Meg
Wouldn't it be something if we could get Margaret Francis (as she was then) posting along with some of her siblings Godfrey, Bernadette, Christine, Anthony and who knows even busy Solveig. I have told Sol before to spread the word to her sibs about the GNR but no one ever posted to date. Sol never stops running commitees and seminars though so the word might not have got too far.
They are a great family with a wonderful Mum and Dad full of life in Thetford.
Boy do I have some ammunition on the younger family members ;-) though not Margaret. Godfrey was always getting in trouble and taking the heat off her in my day. Give Margaret my love and my email to pass to her brothers and sisters too.
Hugs
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 07:24:07 (UTC)
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Linda,
Cheer up - when they were all away throwing cushions down the Zambezi we stayed at home and played with the big boys who had left school!
But it does sound like those school trains were a lot of mushy fun, doesn't it? But who would have missed out on a Helen Kaunda Secondary School education, hey?
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 06:37:20 (UTC)
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Dear Gnr's
There was a place near Mufulira that we used to go to and that was called the 8 mile. It was in the bush and you could swim there, there was a waterfall and a huge pool.
I spent many a weekend there.
Anyone else remember the 8 mile.
Love Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Almelo, Netherlands
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 06:05:52 (UTC)
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Thanks to the GNR I have made contact with my former best friend in the world! We met in l967, and started Grade l at Lusaka Convent together in l969, and wept copiously when she left Zambia for good in l975. Apparently we were both hysterical at Lusaka Airport, and I remember bawling my eyes out at the thought of never seeing her again. Due to the fact that Tina Mcgee saw my posting, and remembered my mom, Mrs Rybicki aka Mrs Rabies, the terror of Woodlands school, she emailed me Margaret Francis's phone number. The class of ,69 are all turning 40 this year, and as our birthdays are in November, we are going to meet up, (she lives in Norfolk). We spoke for about an hour on the phone today, and our memories of growing up in Woodlands are still so vivid. She described people like us as the lost tribe of Africa, not from Africa, but having been born or raised there, it is in the blood. We have located 3 members of the class of 69, and wonder if anyone remembers the Brownjohns, Mr Brownjohn ran the nurserys near State House for the PWO, and had 5 children. Anyhow, thanks to Tina, and the GNR, I have found a dear friend. If my big bro reads this (I see that you have become a member Ed, please email us, I think it works between Capetown and Leitrim, as Mom is coming to stay with you in September!)
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 01:32:16 (UTC)
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I am SO depressed. It seems I have missed out on all the fun that took place on those train rides. I thought I was pretty smart threatening to run away if my dad sent me to boarding school. What a dunce! Never mind, though. I kept Kitwe on the map instead.. ha! ha!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 22:25:06 (UTC)
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MARILYNI
It's EASY-PEEZY just print the "GUIDE to using HTML in your messages" it explains all you need to know to enhance your messages for the message board, (Not Rocket Scientist stuff, but good fun. ) We will leave the programming to the "BOARD of DIRECTORS"
The pretty pictures you will find in the M.S. font's "WINGDINGS" , all you have to do is play with the size="+" command so that you won't need Arthur's glasses. One word of warning :- If you mess up..... expect a personal E-mail. (My E-mail is starting to look like I am getting SPAMMED......Just joking)
JJJJJ
Look after Yourself,
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 19:15:03 (UTC)
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Hi Linda and Barry,
It must have been Rodwin's, we as a "GANG" spent many a weekend there .( We used to call ourselves the " Gobieland Raiders" ( why I don't know.))
Barry, the North side of MUF. confuses me.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 17:57:34 (UTC)
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Liz, June, Jacqui, I see you were also aware of the Green cushion syndrome. My Dad was station foreman at Nyamdhlovu in 1956, we moved to Kashitu 18 miles north of Kapiri Mposh in 1957 and then to Chipongwe south of Lusaka in 1960 all small railway stations using morse code to each other for train instructions. Funny we never had train prangs until they put in the modern signal systems. The Kafue bridge was also a notable dumping ground (river) for green cushions and anything else detachable from the compartments. The train would approach Kafue bridge all quite and respectable until on the bridge and then all hell broke loose with everything possible going out the windows. The fishermen with dugouts etc would collect the cushions if they were not hit with them and make off with the prizes, on that train a guy, possibly Bevis Coventry of Mazabuka used to climb the length of the train on the outside. A grinning body would appear at your compartment window clutching the gutter with toes on the window sill and edge past. Some of us were in the loo holding the flush pedal down and had a loo roll on a stick spinning madly putting a strip of paper down the track. In 1959 I was at school at Parker Primary in Broken hill, standard 3 and I remember being held out the train window by my ankles, by a senior while we steamed along, my foilks would have freaked if I'd ever told them. Good upbring on Rhodesia Railways biult character. I would really like a Rhodesia Railways map with all the stations from Ndola to Livingstone, as many such as Kashitu, Walamba, Fubera, Kafulafuta (spit further)Katanino and Shimabala are not shown , does anyone remember these?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:13:01 (UTC)
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Hi Ali...
Here in New Brunswick you can only "fly fish" for salmon. No spoons or other method allowed.
I am dexterity challenged (as in washing dishes, mowing lawns and many other things according to my wife, hee, hee) and have great difficulty in getting that fly to land where I think the fish are. Fortunately luck plays a BIG part in fishing...
In the Yukon we were allowed to use spoons. Will post pictures as soon as I can find them.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:02:42 (UTC)
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Peter Conway, Fred Anderson, Arthur Adey, Stuart Rovers, Rorger Welsh
Happy Birthday
NORTHERNERS
I have received the following message:
I'm a South African working on a thesis looking at the recent Zambia Railways privatisation.
In particular I'm looking for a bit more detail (or reminisces!) concerning the social/ recreational/ medical facilities traditionally provided by Rhodesian Railways and subsequently by Zambian Railways to their employees.
Sean Willis
If anyone is prepared to assist, please let me know and I'll let you have his email address.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 15:52:21 (UTC)
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Those green cushions? Dick reckons (and he's usually right) that RR employed a couple of guys to collect them when they came down the river.....
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 13:50:43 (UTC)
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Hi Barry,
I hope I can help you. In the late 50s, I was about 14,
we used to ride our bikes out there. There was, to my knowledge, no proper name. We all called it the "One And A Halvey", as it was one and a half miles out of Mufulira. Even the adults called it by that name. There was a great deal of quick sand in the area. We all took turns in jumping in it and when it sucked one up to the arm pits the others used to give you a broken branch and then pull you out. This was done, of course without our parents knowledge, "we were just out on a bike ride". It was great fun, but when I think of it now, I go quite cold. The little river could be called nothing else but "little". We used to pour water onto the edges, which were about 4 odd feet high from the waters surface, and then slide down the best ever mud slide in the world. Someone had the great idea of putting a caravan cum roadhouse there. This proved to be quite popular over the weekends, till one day the owners came to open up, and it was gone, it had sunk into the quick sand. Oh I did love my youth.
Madeleine.
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 12:53:06 (UTC)
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Barry:
Is it either Rhodwins or the Rapids?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 12:10:21 (UTC)
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hello every one, can any one shed light on a failing memory, some where outside the north side of mufulira, theirs a place of grey white sand, with a small river of sorts, we used to ride there on our bikes.this was in the early 50s I was only ten. thanks barry.
Barry Morton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 11:04:00 (UTC)
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Artie.....Peter D......et al
Hmmm fishing...what a lovely sport...must surely flow in the veins of Africans especially those from the centre of the Universe...however I must declare, as an experienced fly fisher person......(and have a photo to prove it !!!) FLY FISHING wins hands down....
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 08:59:57 (UTC)
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I see there are a few people looking for the lyrics etc of COCKY ROBIN.
This was Wrex Tarr who sang it and can be obtained on CD for US$29.95
site www.earthworks.com/rhodesiawassuper
Hope this helps you.
One may also be able to download it from one of the music sites as well.
It is Wrex Tarrs Classics - Chilapalapa
Simon Penstone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 07:28:15 (UTC)
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Hi All and especiallyJacqui,
A few years ago I bought myself a ten C.D. collection of the Hits of the 60's (all original artists) They are South African hits so no Beatles, remember they were banned here in S.A.
On EAST COAST RADIO they have an advert which goes:- "The best music in the world is the music you grew up with" I must agree! We play these C.D.'s at all our parties and even the younger generation enjoy them.
I have several memory triggers, like a smell, certain weather conditons, a sight and music, all of these things can instantly take me back to a time and a place.
So for all of you out there here are some memory triggers.( I will do this in stages )
Volume 1
MR. TAMBORINE MAN - The Byrds
BUILD ME UP BUTTERCUP - The Foundations
ELENORE - The Turtles
CONCRETE & CLAY - Unit Four Plus Two
HITCHIN' A RIDE - Vanity Fare
FERRY CROSS THE MERSEY - Gerry & the Pacemakers
TOBACCO ROAD - Nashville Teens
BABY COME BACK - The Equals
HELLO LITTLE GIRL - The Fourmost
OB-LA-DI-, OB-LA-DA - Marmalade
I'M TELLING YOU - Freddie & The Dreamers
HERE COMES MY BABY - The Tremeloes
HIPPY HIPPY SHAKE - The Swinging Blue Jeans
YELLOW RIVER - Christies
SWEETS FOR MY SWEET - Mike Pender's Searchers
WISHIN' & HOPIN' - The Merseybeats
WILD THING - The Troggs
HERE IT COMES AGAIN - The Fortunes
ALL I REALLY WANT TO DO - The Byrds
I'M THE ONE - Gerry & The Pacemakers
SAN FRANCISCAN NIGHTS - The Animals
JUDY IN DISGUISE - John Fred & Band
EARLY IN THE MORNING - Vanity Fare
TOSSIN' & TURNIN' - The Ivy League
DON'T THROW YOUR LOVE AWAY - Mike Pender's Searchers
No remixes
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 05:02:05 (UTC)
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Madeleine and Jacqui.
After reading your tales of the school trains and those green cushions awakened my recollections.
I also travelled the school trains from 1941 to 1949, six times a year, to the Convent School in Bulawayo, for the 3 Terms.
Back in those early days many of the Copperbelt children were sent South to various boarding schools to continue their education. The "School Train" would leave Nkana station on Sunday mornings. Those living in Chingola and Mufulira were driven through to Nkana to join the train. My Dad would take us to Nkana station to load our school trunks and also meet up with our school pals already on the train. The train journey to Ndola was so slow, so as to give my sister and I extra time at home, our parents would drive us through to Ndola to pick up the train at mid- day.
The train was divided by the Dining Car, boys in Front and the girls at the back end, supposedly to keep us separated. We had the Conductor on his toes running from one end of the train to the other chasing the Boys out of the Girls section. The would sneak through the dining car or get on at the stops and hide in the girls' compartments. When discovered. somehow they all had a sister who they had come to visit.
I started travelling the trains during the war years, so the nuns being foreigners were not permitted to accompany us, but after the War ended in 1945, 2 nuns were put on board to chaperone us, then it became harder but not impossible for the boys to visit us. We were instructed to keep our doors open, then it became a Cat and Mouse game, trying not to get caught.
So what would the Nuns be able to do, other than lock us in or put us off the train (I dont think so.!).
We chugged along into the night lying on our bunks listening to the clackety clack of the wheels, and the excited chattering of the Africans at various sidings, we stopped at Mazabuka, Monze, Pemba then Choma, until we reached Livingstone.
This was a lengthy stop, as Train crews were changed, more coachs shunted on for more kids boarding on our way to Bulawayo. Two of the convent girls, Rachael and Lola Furmanovsky lived in Livingstone and their father ran a transport business. So he would be waiting at the station with his big Truck (Lorry) when the train pulled in, all the Convent girls would pile on to the back and he would take us the short distance to the Victoria Falls, (not sure how the others got there). We were free for a couple of hours to explore the Falls, going through the Rain Forest and gathering to encircle the BigTree.
Then we would go and sit on the Verandah of the Hotel and order cold drinks before strolling back to the station to pick up the train when it came through from Livingstone.
In the evenings when we stopped long enough at a station, out would come the wind-up Gramophone and the old 78's and/or a girl with a Piano Accordian and we would all dance on the Platform. Otherwise after dinner we would crowd into the Dining Car to sing along to the Accordian or Gramophone. I think the dining car staff
enjoyed it too.
On the Northbound journey, when we crossed the Victoria Falls Bridge, all those hard green cushions would come flying through the windows, to the depths below. It must have cost the Rhodesian Railways a fortune to replace all those pillows tossed over the Bridge by the school trains, you think they would have wised up and left them off.
Another long stop was at Wankie, the coal mining town, we would stroll around the town, it seemed that everything was covered in black coal dust. To pass the time we would place pennies on the rails so the coaches being shunted would run over them and squash them flat.
Leaving Wankie we often had long delays along the line, when the train needed to wait as the Elephants were crossing or walking along the tracks and during the rainy season, at times the rails were under water due to flooding. The train moved so slow, some of the boys would jump off and walk alongside, until the Conductor spotted them.
Our last pick-up stop was Dett late in the evening and Tuesday morning we would pass Nyamandhlovu, before arriving at Bulawayo, the end of another school train adventure.
June Bohl
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 23:17:42 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur...
I like the internet version of my fish MUCH better!!!
Still lots of Atlantic salmon around. You can only catch two a day in New Brunswick. You can keep the Grilse - those under 25 inches. All others must be released. I was very lucky to catch one of each.
The 18 pounder was indeed a good fight. My record is a 29 pounder in the Yukon. I'll ask Heather to post it.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 21:05:50 (UTC)
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Madeleine
Amazing! That you guys threw the green cushions out of the trains over the Vic Falls in 1958! We used to do the same thing in 1966 - 1969! When I first found the GNR - about 2 years ago - I posted about those wonderful adventurous days on the school specials and the green cushion throwing was one of the topics discussed!
Yesterday I spent the most blissful, nostalgic two hours listening to an interview on my radio with Chris Farlowe. He was top of the hit parade on the 28th July 1966 and the music took me instantly to another place and another time - the school specials of Africa! It was with great reluctance that I had to return to normality and reality! Who remembers this hit parade - sorry I missed the numbers of some of the songs!
Hit Parade – 28th July 1966
Lana - Roy Orbison
When A Man Loves a Woman - Percy Sledge
Stangers in the Night - Frank Sinatra
Hideaway - ?
Paperback Writer - The Beatles
14 - Mamma - Dave Berry
13 - ?
12 – Bus Stop - Hollies
11 – Nobody Needs Your Love - Gene Pitney
10 – Magic Carpet Ride - Dusty Springfield
9 - River Deep Mountain High - Ike and Tina Turner
8 - Love Letters - Elvis
7 - The More I See You - Kris ?
6 - I Couldn’t Live Without Your Love - Petula Clarke
5 - Sunny Afternoon - The Kinks
4 - Getaway - Georgie Fame
3 - With A Girl Like You - the Troggs
2 - Black is Black - ?
Number One - Out of Time - Chris Farlowe
I don't have to tell you that I was singing and bopping around my flat like a 13 year old again! Ha! ha! and later on the DJ played 'Stupid Cupid' which I still have going round in my head! Wonderful stuff!
Elspeth
What's up? You didn't call me while you were in the UK?
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 17:22:38 (UTC)
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Heather
You think I would believe that a booze laden fishing trip paid for by a government department would not have been subject to "sexing up" and I that would fall for the massaged images concerned ? Maybe they were caught using the "spin" method ? And that's Tony Blair in one of those shots.
On closer examination of the photos concerned can see what's going on, Peter's hair is all stuck up because of the close proximity to the static from the "fish" balloons and his grin caused by inhalation of the helium. I can also see where they tied the balloons off in the photo (it's the same knot used by Bill Clinton). Here's another version of the same photo I found circulating the internet.
Well I suppose it's a long way off from the cardboard cut-outs they used in olden days BH, the props have become more realistic as they get more devious. I wonder if the infamous tassel tosser Johnny was so enamoured with was in fact another cardboard cut out and if Johnny now has the breath for the latest BH rubber craze, or will it be a trip down to the airline at the service station?
Peter
Your fish look like Atlantic salmon - I thought I read that the Canadians had fished them out, or are Salmo Salar (the leaper) making a comeback? The 18 pounder looks a brilliant fresh run bar of silver I bet it gave you a good fight. I hope you did not catch it by the Hartnett lower class worming method, or did you catch by fly?
Small Atlantic salmon around 5 - 10lbs are usually younger fish that have not properly run out to distant seas and are called grilse over here, only when they have spent a full year at sea and return are they referred to as a salmon. The small ones taste just as good though as I'm sure you'll agree.
And to make this posting germane and to rub the salt:
I will be at the Livingstone Lark in September and so I will be missing out on some of the best weeks for salmon runs over here, but I am not worried because I will instead be on the Lower Zambezi for a few days specifically angling for some Tiger fish. Then you will see some photos of really awesome fish. Even Craig is going to catch one. I am also thinking of taking a fly rod and giving that a try.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 17:11:50 (UTC)
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Neil Smith
Kola Tonic is also available at http://www.susman.com/system/index.html
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 16:07:01 (UTC)
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Hi Heather...
Which once again proves that only those from the centre of the universe - Broken Hill - know how to fish....
There are lots of wann-a-bees from Lusaka, Nkana and other minor dorps who are insanely jealous of our well honed fishing skills, good looks, superior intelligence, romancing and drinking abilities acquired in Boones bar, ahem....
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 16:01:22 (UTC)
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Peter D
The only large fish-type things that I have ever seen come out of Mulungushi are flatdogs.
Andrew Sardanis
I have just had dropped on my desk a copy fo Andrew Sardanis' book 'Africa Another Side Of The Coin' which has just been released. It will be an interesting read. It is available at IB Tauris or Amazon
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 14:58:23 (UTC)
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Heather...
Fishing skills were indeed acquired in the centre of the universe - Broken Hill - at the world famous Mulungushi Dam - well known home of the largest fish below the equator!!!
As for the curly hair - it is a perm - a left over from my hippie years.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 13:44:34 (UTC)
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John Whitham, Jimmy Churchill, Lynne Paterson, Ian Hugo
Happy Birthday
Kola Tonic
I must have had a deprived childhood because I don't remember Kola Tonic, but it is now available in the shops here. I'm going to buy a bottle today and taste it to see what all this raving about.
Peter Bromwich
The flame lillies in Zambia are Gloriosa Superba, but there are two varieties under that name. One is more orange and the other red. It is is the red ones that grow here.
Arthur
Looks like Peter Dielissen is fishing in competition with you - here are the photos of his latest trip, about which he says:
Spent three days this week fishing at a government lodge as a guest of the New Brunswick government. Everything supplied - guide, canoes, rods, food, booze etc etc. I was able to keep the small one - 4.5 lbs under 25 inches. The big one was 18 lbs and had to be released....
If you're not careful they'll be telling you that learnt more about fishing in Broken Hill than you did in Nkana Kitwe. I just want to know where he got the curly hair from - perhaps the lead in the water?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 12:32:41 (UTC)
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Hi Ayub, and everyone interested
Kola tonic is available from http://www.biltong2u.co.uk/pricelist2.htm
(copy & paste the address)
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 12:18:02 (UTC)
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Mike...will let you know as soon as I can find a supplier of Kola tonic in the UK
Tony..thanks for the website..will visit it.
Madeleine...So glad your memories of your youth are so good. Innocence and youth compliment themselves so nicely! The train journey must have been breathtaking and so full of splendour. I saw Michael Palin take one over the falls in his "Around the World in 80 days" stint a few years ago. Poor fellow was met with flying chickens on the train!! How times have changed!!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 12:03:38 (UTC)
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Hi Ayub + Mike,
Kola Tonic brings back so many memories. I went to boarding school in Kimberley, in 1958, I was 14. There were many kids from the Copperbelt that went to either CBC or the Convent. We all went home in July and December (the other holidays we went to friends), and
I can assure you the 5 days 4 nights/5 nights and 4 days, were the highlight of the year. There was only myself and another girl (cant remember her name) who was a little older than I, and there must have been at least about 12 boys. We said goodbye to the Nuns very demurley with our school uniforms on, and as the train left Kimberly we promptly changed into slax (there were no jeans those days). Within 1 hour the Conductor would have us transferred to the front of the train in a first class coupe, and have all the boys put in second class as far back in the train as possible. This made no difference to his plan to keep everything under control, we all took over the train. The Conductor would give me a little more room as my elder brother Stephen was also on the train and said he would look after me. Needless to say we all spent a lot of the time in the Dining Car. We thought we were living dangerously by having Kola Tonic, which we thought had alcohol. It was like the nectar of the Gods to us. In Bulawayo we had to change trains for Ndola, and I loved this stop. For 2 shillings one hired a bath which you could fill to the brim and just wallow, for just about as long as you pleased . One needed it by this time.It was during this time that the metal fly zip was introduced and one of the fellows was in great pain as he had been showing off, and zipped himself up far to quickly.
When we crossed over the bridge at Victoria Falls, the two of us used to watch from our coupe and as the boys compartment went over, there was a green wave that left the train and went into the water. They used to go around to unoccupied compartments and swip the little green cushions to use for this purpose. We all loved to dance at the little siding of Kapri Imposhi (spel) as there was always a wonderful little african band which played there. Thank you for reminding me of this magical time in my life.
Madeleine
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 09:17:09 (UTC)
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Phillip:
No. Nothing wrong with me. I'm embarrassed because I can't make up poems, or draw pretty pictures like you can on the computer, or draw like Ali. I'll also have to borrow Arthur's glasses (spectacles) to read that TINY print you use!
I'm recovering from a bit of renovation at home. Another thing I can't do is use a hammer properly. My left index finger is still aching from the hit I gave it yesterday.
Was also looking at a few photo's from Frederick Knapp School and one or two from the Rhokana Review which I'll scan and email to Arthur as soon as I can.
John Milton:
Are you still there? Please email me.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 07:03:53 (UTC)
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Hi All, Need to test my setup. What went wrong ? What went wrong ? What went wrong ? What went wrong ?What went wrong? Arthur these are for you. $Cheers,
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 04:58:10 (UTC)
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Re the spam discussion, Yahoo does it for me, it is so zealous that it even filters out worthy emails from Oxfam ect requesting signatures for Fair Trade campaigns. I am taking the plunge and buying a Biltong maker from the interestedly named Duane Slabbart, I will keep the message board posted as to the success of my Northwest of Ireland Biltong Emporium, we will, as soon as we receive said machine, try venison, its the closest thing to Kudu in Leitrim! My mealie plants in the polytunnel are a magnificent 1m 30cm, and my squash and eggplant are rapidly approaching (small) marble size. I have actually grown bigger outside the tunnel where they have to contend with maximum summer temps of l9 c, and winds straight off the Atlantic, perhaps its the organic seaweed fertilizer I am using, I cant remember what we used in Woodlands but our gemsquash were magnificent! Any useful (organic) tips for growing nostalgic comfort food in inhospitable places like Ireland? Thanks, Meg
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 00:59:58 (UTC)
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I know it is a little late but I wanted to add my comment to the debate about the "Shell" depot fire in Kitwe in 1966(?). It actually was the Total depot that went up with a bang, literally. How do I know? My father was chief engineer for Caltex and his offices were next door! The following day I went with him to see the damage which was on a staggering scale. I recall full fuel drums expanded into large domed cylinders and fuel just spraying out everywhere. I presume it was diesel or paraffin that was left at that stage. I do have a collection of colour slides taken of the burnt out Total depot. The cause was apparently a spark where drums of fuel were being emptied and pumped into storage. It was a spectacular site. But it was certainly the Total depot!
David
David Russell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, July 28, 2003 at 00:47:55 (UTC)
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Barbara Hey
Take a look at these
Back in July 2001 I posted a series of postcard photos of Kitwe town centre taken in the late 50's
This was one of them
I have shown the postcard again only because I am now able to more accurately date when it was taken, in the entrance to the OK Bazaars is a window display featuring the "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" which I saw in the original when I examined it with a powerful magnifying glass. My deduction is that since the Little Theatre play was probably so popular there must have been a market for a spin off in bears. (My siblings had these bears and they ended up as target practice for a pellet gun, and were later beheaded). Anyway I digress - the postcard photo must have been taken in the early part of '57.
Philip Pain, Scarscalp, Linda Dore
Headmasters office please, and Philip bring your magnifying glass so I can read your small print. You remember how you could fry a matebele with a good lens and with some decent sunlight, or burn your initials into something? I have plans for you three.
Everyone else
I have some excellent photos waiting to be posted, it is a bit late in the month to post them right now, so I'll do them all later in the week when the August message board is here.
Postcard from the collection of June Bohl
Photos from the Rhokana Review - Feb 1957 - courtesy Guy Hobbs
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 23:38:03 (UTC)
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Seems ages since I added a message on here, so here goes.
I so often sit down and read all the long and interesting messages (but don't have much time to sit down and write) and view the lovely photo's and they all bring back so many nostalgic memories of my growing up in the Rhodesia's in the 50's and 60's.
One tends to forget lots of the little things that one did in those days and just seeing pictures from the Rhokana Review and views of Nkana/Kitwe makes one recall the good times we had. Seeing the Astra cinema, reminded me of when we went to the Saturday morning matinee for a shilling (if I recall), or to an early evening show with the family, was also a BIG treat out. Sunday was a trip to Eskimo Hut, if we were good.....for a whirly ice cream.
The Nkana mine mess also brings back memories, of when my father and I had our rushed dinner's there, before visiting my mother at the Nkana hospital, (where she spent many weeks at a time in there, with her Asthma) then onto the Little Theatre where my father was very involved in shows and pantomimes. (Sometimes I had to do my homework in the dressing room there.) I'm sure some of you may remember him as Little Bear in Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
Since moving to the UK three years ago, after living in South Africa for many years, I have managed to make contact with several old school friends, in many parts of the world now, via the GNR. and share some lovely memories of childhood days.
To Steve and Margaret de Lange, I hope you have a wonderful time at the Reunion in Livingstone. I wish I could join you there.
Thanks to all of you who make the 'Great North Road' web site operate. It's great.
Barbara Hey (née Brock) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 21:12:36 (UTC)
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Hello Peter Bromwich
I remember you from Luanshya, way back when. Seem to think I was buddies with one of you sisters, Diane? Was one brunette and the other blonde? And you were sometime friend of my brother Bob. Where on earth does the memory go?
Regarding growing flame lilies, (Gloriosa Superba?) my mum and dad brought some tubers back from Luanshya and grew them in Cornwall. All I can remember was that they grew in pots in the front glassed-in porch and by the end of summer, you couldn't get into the front door. Talk about man-eating aspidistras - these were much worse!
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 20:19:34 (UTC)
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Broken Hill Northeners...
Take a peek at this item on e-bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3619972894&category=395
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 20:16:01 (UTC)
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Hi Ray Wright:
Great poetry!! Don't fret about not knowing me personally. Most of those who do are still running...
I was just sitting here catching up on the GNR and can't help remarking (yet again) how unique this message board is. So many diverse personalities, backgrounds, economic levels, etc., and yet we have the capability of sharing in a way that connects us in our souls. We can laugh with and at each other, share common experiences where only the names are different, and can smell the earth after an African rain, merely by reading the words about it.
And I did, too, get bitten on the bum by a 20ft croc that came through my toilet.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 18:23:43 (UTC)
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Hi All, Lynne and I have just got back from a DIVORCE party, A couple of friends of ours got divorced this week and decided to have a party to celebrate. (Nice to see that they are still good friends, in fact they are getting on better now that they have nothing to fight about) This morning I went to my wife's twin brother's web-site to see how it is getting on and I must admit I am very impressed.Lynne's brother is a up and comming artist and if anyone out there is looking for some fantastic paintings, mostly on African Wild Life have a peek at his web page BUSH ART (click here)and check out his gallery. Who knows you might be making a sound investment, we get ours for free as presents on Lynne's birthdays. (I love the FISH EAGLE ) MARILYN, What happened the cat got your mouse?8 Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 17:24:25 (UTC)
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Arthur
You are sooo brave with so many miles between us. Love you lots. (I didn't cause the fire in question, okay)
Phil Pain
My three cousins, the Burtons, (their Mother, Betty Burton, was a teacher at Frederick Knapp School) my two brothers and I used to play on those anthills at the back of Boma Street in about 1948 - 1950. We used to use cardboard boxes to slide down them, expecially after it had rained, it was great fun, so maybe we were there before you!!!!!
Scarscalp
I don't know about not enough beer for you and Graham at Mark and Lizzie's farewell do, what about Chris and I?!!! We look forward to seeing you all there.
Heather
Thank you for all the wonderful photos you put on the message board. They really take me back to the good old days.
Sorry Chris and I cannot make Livingstone and thanks for all the information you sent us.
My daughter, Catherine, and I went to see Jeremy Taylor (Ag Pleez Deddy) perform at a pub down the road a few weeks ago, we had a wonderful evening. He was great.
Ada
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 17:01:23 (UTC)
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HEY BOBBY
Nice to shoot the breeze again, listen to this ,,
Due to the insults on my good person from Miss Smartie Pants Linda Dore,im going to strip my photo albums and get a few potos of her her at her best, and as i said im taking orders for some of them, then we'l see who's so smart???
I read some time back that Brozo sending Sue babe hugs and kisses for her going to swop spit with Paul the man, good on her,,,,,but as for Brozo giving her a hug or even a kiss, that i got to see as he will lose his balance standing on those 10 bricks he will need to reach, and i have some very nice photos of him at Mulangushi dad behaving like a true gentlman that he is, I have yet to chat with his good lady and im sure he is looking forward to that day,,,
I think some of the guys and chicks will be looking forward to the photos as im going to put a few hot ones in aswell, then let them tell there love ones that it was'nt them in the spaps,,,cheers Bugs
Bugs Da silva [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Zambia
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:35:29 (UTC)
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Kola - not Cola??
Here is a site with info about Kola Tonic which is what I think you are looking for . Looks as though it is still being made including a canned version.
http://lekker.safeshopper.com/4/106.htm?877
http://www.nmk.co.za/products/non_alcoholic/default.htm
I remember when I was a barman at the Lowenthal Theatre it was very popular mixed with lemonade.
Tony Austin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 12:54:44 (UTC)
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Ali Key - sorry about this. I couldn't resist it!
Ali Key composes rhymes
on Linda's probs in earlier times,
and while the words are not malicious
recalling times that were auspicious
in all our lives as GNR's,
I really can't believe the farce
that she describes took place!
But there again, I don't know Ali,
nor Linda with her hair of russet hue,
so must be extra careful over what I say or do!
However, as a sensitive-new-age-pre-baby-boomer man,
(and shit! it's really very dificult to make that scan)
I like the thought of putting things in verse
and know that my attempts could not be so much worse
than Ali's were!
The life and times we had in that fair land,
the valued memories that we all recall to mind,
have been a strong and guiding hand
in shaping all our lives. We find
that now we are dispersed throughout the earth
we really do appreciate the worth,
the value of our time in Africa.
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 12:34:42 (UTC)
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The pincushion plant I referred to earlier is better known as the Blood lily or Snake lily - Scadoxus puniceus. It is also highly poisonous.
The famed Snake Lily of Africa. Legend has it that snakes are attracted to the spotted tunic of the leaf bases, but it is just that, an unfounded legend based upon the colouring of the bulb. However the strongly scented flowers are a no no for sufferers of Hay Fever. Still interested? Then this wonderful bright orange ball of flowers is just for your pot or semi protected garden. It can take light frost and flowers in early spring. The flowers stand up to 500 mm in height and are produced before the leaves emerge from their winter sleep.
See:- http://www.sappi.com/home.asp?pid=167 for a painting of the plant.
Both plants needs to be well established before they will flower. Advice on the web says they need shade.
I have more information on both of these plants gathered from the web - if anyone is interested - please e-mail me separately.
Cheers Ron
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 11:19:18 (UTC)
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Flame Lily
Wandering along Australia's sun drenched dunes,
In my mind, hum long forgotten tunes
From a life time ago - another land and time -
When I belonged to Africa - and She was mine!
Gazing out at the Blue Pacific waves,
Nostalgia sweeps over - forgotten days.
I hear the wind in the scarlet Msasa leaves -
But feel on my skin, the warm sea breeze.
No eagles here, but seagulls fill the sky
No jackals at night, yet dingoes wander by
Koalas and possums are unique wild game
And other strange creatures - it's just not the same!
Then on a dune - a sea of brilliant red, and gold and green!!!
A Vision of beauty - a fondly remembered dream!
My heart skips a beat, my mouth turns dry -
For Africa has come to me, as I walk on by!
Scarlet petals reach for the heavens above -
A symbol of all that I long for - my special love!
Emerald green tendrils of vine holding firm
To the dune grasses and growing onto another in turn.
This symbol of Africa, is at home so far away.
It grows and thrives, has adapted to stay.
The Flame Lily now helps support this foreign land.
How did it arrive - by whose hand?
So too we must change and grow,
Share with others what we love and know.
Adapt to suit our new world and ways -
Look forward to another future - other ways.
© Pam Crowther
23.10.00
Pam Crowther
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 11:12:18 (UTC)
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Hello Peter Bromwich,
Before one can help you with advice on growing Flame Lilies one needs to know which plant you are talking about.
There is one Flame Lily - Lilium gloriosa - that is a poisonous climber with tendrils at the tip of each leaf with the most beautiful flame like flowers that emerge from the node between the leaves and the stem.
That grows from an underground tuber that sometimes needs several years to settle in one spot before producing any growth. It can be grown from seed.
There is another Flame Lily - I forget the Latin name offhand - but it could often be seen at the roadsides or out in the bush along the GNR when it burst into flower like a massive red pincushion. This lovely plant has an underground bulb and the flowering spikes appear well before the leaves. The leaves are broad and similar to those of a Tulip.
Is either of these the Flame Lily that you refer to ?
They should both grow well in well drained soil in full sunlight. The climber will need support.
Both grow in Hong Kong too.
Cheers Ron
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 09:48:28 (UTC)
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Hi Ayub,
I remember Cola Tonic clearly. I tried to find a supplier when I came back to the UK in 1987 but was unsuccessful. One of Google's contributors describes it as a non-fizzy Coca-Cola but in my recollection there was more to it than that. If you do find out more please let me know.
Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 06:35:27 (UTC)
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Browsing thru the messages I was reminded about the movie "Animals are Beautiful People" which I have been looking for, for a long time. Does anyone know where I can get a North American version?
Gill K
Gill Kopy (née Bennett) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Northern British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 05:24:11 (UTC)
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Does anyone know of a drink called "COLA TONIC" which used to be available in Zambia in the 60's
Also ,the former Australian cricket captain and now TV pundit, Ritchie Benaud, intimated that he first bowled "a flipper" in Ndola, in or around 1960. Anyone watched the Aussies play there?
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 17:54:23 (UTC)
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My first ever message to a message board.
Does anyone remember the Zambia Special cocktail served at the Ridgeway Hotel? Do you know either the ingredients or how to make it?
A second problem. In this part of Spain the weather is very similar to that of Luanshya, apart from the snow. I cannot get Flame Lilies to grow. Does anyone have any advice?
Many thanks,
Peter Bromwich.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain
Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 17:19:40 (UTC)
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With her red hair.and curls too,
there sat Lindy loo
staring out in the dusty NR dreamland.......
with her chin resting in her hand
like all little girls of Africa, no fear to be had....
until from the depths of the of the "S" bend..
snap snap came a cheezy grin......
all toothy and thin
a little crocodile looking for a friend...
oh my! oh my ! sighed the scaly little guy
a little pink bum I spy.
a snap and a nip saw Lindy fly...
so from then until now we sorta
know why she hates water......
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 14:48:18 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies,
That is a blast from the past.
have recently returned from a much needed holiday in Europe. Roy is still alive but only just. he is not at all well,diabetes and associated health problems. He did achieve one of his many ambitions however. he eventually wrote a book which was published and if you would like to have more info,please contact me.
Otherwise we are well.
Cheers
The "Other Lusakaan"
Lynn Szeftel (née Mayoss) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 11:26:27 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies:
You must have me mistaken with someone else regarding the photo of me in the bath. When I was 4yrs old, a croc came up out the toilet and bit me on the bum and I have been afraid of water ever since. he! he!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 01:14:14 (UTC)
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Amanda MacIntosh
The All Blacks definitely played in Ndola in 1960 or 61 as we have a cine film of the match - or parts of it anyway. The captain of the All Blacks at that time was Wilson Winnery and he was my father's cousin so we also have film of him with us kids during a break from the tour. Don't have any other info as I was only two at the time but Neiles my brother would know more as he was older, interested in rugby and met Wilson, (now Sir Wilson), again a few years ago.
Bridget Billany
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 19:35:10 (UTC)
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Web-based access to email accounts
I use Outlook Express for private email, and when travelling, access my account (read and send messages) through www.mail2web.com As Craig says, there are others.
Like Barry et al, I also use a Hotmail account for public/semi-public uses, and have not had a problem with it.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton Co Cork, Ireland
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 19:08:56 (UTC)
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I have come late to the Board and was reading about the Burton affair and the Dag Hammarskjold crash.
One of our Australian friends said a Mrs. Burton died in Perth, WA. Not our Mrs.Burton. She was burned to death in her car, together with her dog, this was somewhere around 1963, prior to independence. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but no member of the UNIP Secretariat ever uttered a word of apology for that atrocity.
Back in 1993, I was in correspondence with Ambasador Bengt Rosario of the Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, after the publication of the Dag Hammarskjold Report. He sent me a 43 page document, The Ndola Disaster- Final Version, that refutes many of the fanciful theories that abounded for years after the crash.
If I can find time, I will scan it and try to convert it to the Message Board, provided always that the monitors of this site agree.
Robert Huntley [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Carmel, California, United States
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 18:41:22 (UTC)
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Johan Loots, Rod Crowe
Happy Birthday
Craig
I just don't know what this world is coming to - you disappearing over rocky horizons; Dave going west; Arthur going off fishing. You are all much too movious. Seems like I'm the only one who ever stays at home.
I do not suffer from old age, only dizziness. Is your enquiring mind satisfied now.
Keep safe and enjoy your trip.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 15:38:27 (UTC)
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Bugs, Nice talking to you. This site is great and I'm just starting. I believe you have a photo of Brasso standing on a Mozi crate trying to open his fridge for a beer. Like to see it. Also that one on Linda in the bath looking for the soap that time, use the coloured photo, it'll brings out the pink in her. I saw Butch and Ronnie Clifton in Durbs recently, also Veronica and Lawrence Vaughn. Nobody changes, we must be timeless. Sue says she doesn't have a photo of me, the only one I got spare is at my christening maybe I can send it. I'm finding loads of known names on GNR, it really is great knowing so many are still alive, with the booze and the way we drove, mostly on autopilot. Must be tuff cookies, to last this long. Doing handbrake turns in the moke that time at midnite on the golf course probably took years off us. I see Lynn Szeftel is on the list. Her brother Roy Mayoss and me also did the rose beds at Gilbert Rennie with my MG Midget one evening in '67 after a session at the Woodpecker in Woodlands. I lost one hubcap there so we drove to Chelston to throw the others in the bush far away to cover our tracks. I think I was destined for gardening.Anyone else out there done that? Cheers to all.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 15:14:23 (UTC)
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IAN
On 27th July 2002 David Grey published the words for Cocki Lobben. I've copied them here for you to save you the trouble of looking for them. It was brillianly sung by the band at the Banbury Bash. You should have been there. Maybe next time ... Gary?
"Koobani Ena Balaliele Cocki Lobben"
Chorus
Zonke lo n'uni lapa moir ena kala ena kala
Ena ezweli ena efeli lo n'uni Cocki Lobben
Ena ezweeeeli, ena efeeeeli
Ena ezweli ena efeli Cocki Lobben.
Koobani ena bornile Cocki Lobben?
Mena kaluma lo Fly
Na lo picannini astronomical microscope kamena
Mena bornile Cocki Lobben!
Chorus
Koobani ena balaliele Cocki Lobben?
Mena kaluma lo Sparrow
Na lo picannini intercontinental ballistic missile kamena
Mena balaliele Cocki Lobben!
Chorus
Koobani ena digga lo grave?
Mena kaluma lo Owl
Na lo picannini foshol na lo earth moving equipment kamina
Mena digga lo grave!
Chorus
Koobani ena kaluma lo prayers?
Mena kaluma lo Vulture
Ndaba mena kona maninge culture
Mena kaluma lo prayers!
Chorus X 2 - second to be sung very fast.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 10:48:53 (UTC)
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Ian
I think I can put something together - but as I recall it was in Fanicalo(?) I will ponder the rhyme this evening, hopefully other members will have some ideas as well and possibly build up a full version
Ted Mills [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 09:30:27 (UTC)
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Hi all you GNRs out there......
can anybody respond to me, with the African version of Who killed cock robin ????? I can only remember some of the verses and my grand children keep asking me to sing this song. not believing the words are AFRICAN !!!!!!!!!
Many thanks.
Ian Beckford
Ian Beckford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tin Can Bay, Queensland, Australia
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 06:40:31 (UTC)
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Yay. I can get in!. Thanks Sue and Craig. I unblocked all the filters on hotmail and thus got the GNR note, also for the first time in ages a dozen spams! Now I've got my pw I can set the spam filters again.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 06:09:58 (UTC)
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I have Outlook Express too and if anyone knows how to block whole domains, please let me know. It SAYS you can, but it does not work. I have put in the domain names, just like it says, but it did nothing to stop the spam coming in.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 03:24:33 (UTC)
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Jacqui,
There I go ignoring your messages again. Yes, the hair is doing much better today and is also quite a bit shorter too, thanks to a visit to the barber. Tsk! I just couldn't do anything with it! :)
Final Missive on Hotmail, etc.
I forgot to add that I realise that one of the reasons people use Hotmail and other Web-based e-mail accounts is because they can access it from anywhere. However, if this is the only reason you are putting up with Hotmail, here's some good news -- by its very design, any Internet e-mail account can be accessed from anywhere in the world! Your ISP-provided e-mail address is not somehow hardwired to your home or office address like your land-line telephone. Accessibility from anywhere is not a feature unique to Hotmail or Yahoo, and Web-based access is a pretty standard additional feature of most e-mail accounts. While there are multiple ways to access e-mail from multiple locations, certainly for most people accessing it through the Web makes the most sense. Ask the company that supplies your e-mail account about Web-based access to your e-mail.
I'm Away
One of the reasons that will be my final missive on this subject is that I will be away until August, and I will probably not be accessing my e-mail at all. E-mail sent through the contact form will go to Heather (did I mention that Heather?), but e-mail sent directly to my greatnorthroad.org address will go unanswered until I return. Please keep that in mind if you contact me. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 25, 2003 at 02:20:46 (UTC)
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Barry,
Glad you found the comments interesting, but I'm terribly sorry old chap that I demoted you. Of course, you are anything but common. :)
You are also right about Outlook Express. Having Windows I, of course, have Outlook Express installed as well and I loaded it to write those instructions, but I didn't even notice the "Blocked Senders List" there. Looking at it now it refers to blocked e-mail addresses and domains, so it certainly is possible to block whole domains too. I also have Outlook installed, but I didn't check to see how that works -- I presume it's very similar.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 21:45:11 (UTC)
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Craig
Thanks for your detailed comments - very interesting (to me anyway!) and useful.
I agree about Outlook and the use of Rules; a similar possibility also exists in Outlook Express which would be more usual on a home computer - if this is what you have, Fiona, click Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List.
Now, Craig, I am normally far too cautious to take issue with any member of the GNR Politburo, but what do you mean by saying that Barry is common ???!!!
And I promise that my next posting will be germane ....
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 21:22:28 (UTC)
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So much for proofreading. Add an "r" and the occasional "s" in various places in my last message.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 20:35:11 (UTC)
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Fiona,
Without going into details, I believe you can block a whole domain with Outlook or any other programme that uses filters or rules just as easily as you can block a single e-mail address.
Although I don't use Outlook (for a very good reason, I might add), I assume you ae using Outlook's automated system where you "block the sender". I believe this just creates a rule, which you can edit to block the whole domain rather than just the e-mail address.
To access the rule, select Tool | Message Rules | Mail.
Hope that helps.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 20:33:03 (UTC)
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Heather,
What a wonderful tale. Lucky guy! In one of Stuart Cloete's books (The Mask?) it was the trusty dog who licked the hero's face clean after it was eaten off by hyenas.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 20:32:30 (UTC)
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Like Barry I use a hotmail address for unimportant stuff. One thing about hotmail is that it's easy to block email, unlike Outlook. The latest thing seems to be to send an email from a different address every time e.g. 12345@sexyemail.com and the number before the full stop changes every time. On hotmail you can at least block all emails from @sexymail.com (or whatever). Still looking for a way to do it on Outlook where I now get probably over 100 spams a day. Any suggestions?
HEATHER
Great to see the numbers have climbed to 21. See you there all!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 20:06:38 (UTC)
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Craig
Hope the hair has settled down now!
Scarscalp
I fear you are in danger of being frog-marched to the headmasters office anytime soon with Linda in tow! Hah! hah!
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 16:55:53 (UTC)
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Heather,
Were your comments to Marion about old age a reference to yours or your mother's? Enquiring minds want to know. Oh, and keep safe my mate yourself. :)
Barry et al. on Hotmail, etc.,
Having multiple e-mail accounts for different purposes is a good idea, even for your GNR membership despite my claims that our system is now safe. Managing my own domains, I have a multitude of different e-mail addresses. Of course, some get used more than the obscure ones, but most of them point to my main account anyway. Some of the addresses are used only for particular accounts or memberships. For example, to join the GNR I would set up a unique address just for the GNR, so that if it ever gets spammed I will be able to be quite certain that the GNR has sold my e-mail address -- assuming, of course, that I do not post that address in public areas like message boards. Then I can delete the address and the spam stops. (Important note: The GNR does not sell or otherwise part with our members' e-mail addresses.)
I also make extensive use of disposable e-mail addresses. These disposable addresses expire every month, so I feel quite fine giving them to even the shadiest characters on the Internet (like Johnny, for example) because, even if they spam me, the spam will stop when the address expires at the end of the month. In practice I almost never receive spam at these addresses anyway, because they expire before they can make it onto the various address lists that are bought and sold on the Internet.
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