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Jilly...Craig (the Northern Rhodesian ! )
ThANKS a million times over.............WOW...what a privilage to have had my photo launched over the falls bridge............birngs that little tear to the eye...yes one day I will get back to NR/Zambia...
Looking forward to the tales and photos of the Lark....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 23:44:08 (UTC)
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Dave,
Thank-you for elevating my status. I am honoured. :)
Someone Looking for Gilchrist
Someone in Livingstone asked me if there were any Gilchrists on the GNR. Unfortunately I forgot who asked me; sorry about that.
We have two Gilchrists:Kitwe Dinner
We had the Kitwe dinner this evening and it was very enjoyable. There were about 15 people there, and pictures will be posted eventually. Tonight Arthur and I are enjoying Kevin's hospitality in Ndola, before that Chalcraft woman wakes us up at oh dark thirty for the long drive up to Shiwa.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 22:41:20 (UTC)
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Heather and Kevin,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR A WONDERFUL WEEKEND! What can I say?
The African Queen was outstanding - the braai was marvelous - the boerewors was TOTALLY outstanding - and we managed to smuggle the left-overs into Botswana and feast on it Sunday night - and padkos for Chobe yesterday.
My little landy and I just drove over 1200 kms today - Kasane to Joburg in 14 hours (with pitstops)
Ali - your picture also went over with a Zambian girl from Lusaka - I think she kept your picture after I told her your story.
Craig - thank you for riding a big African elephant with me - and the elephant (named Bob - he's a Zimbabwean elephant) actually kissed me! Rest assured folks, Craig didn't kiss me!
Margaret and Steve de Lange - it was wonderful meeting you and Art and Kathy - we bumped into them in Botswana yesterday and had yet another drink together! (Kitwe folk!)
I cried my eyes out Sunday at having to leave, but we had so much fun crossing back on the ferry - no waiting both ways - and then we went fishing on the confluence of the Chobe and Zambezi Rivers - Arthur - wait till you see what Irene and I caught - pictures coming to you shortly!!
Brian Townsed deserves a medal for surviving two rather over-exuberant Kitwe Buns - well done Brian! Chris, I hope he recovers soon.
There are so many things... Beth it was great meeting you - Fiona - it was wonderful doing the harmonies with the band.
Special memory - the band playing Tiyende Mapdozi for us as a farewell at the braai!
Linda,
I am home safe - thanks for caring!
Love,
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 19:57:45 (UTC)
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Hi campers , I like a lot more of us are crying in our beer tonight thinking of the Larkers devouring Lobster Thermidor in Kitwe, all I can offer you to ease the pain is this little smile
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Two blondes landed at an airport in the states and caught a cab.
"Where would you like to go?" asked the cab driver.
"San Jose" one replied.
The cab driver corrected her pronunciation telling her that
the "J" made an "H" sound.
As time went by he asked how long they were on vacation.
The one blonde replied, "For all of Hune and Huly."
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 17:40:22 (UTC)
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NORTHERNERS
Another one of those quick messages - from Kitwe this time, where Arthur has been showing me the town through his eyes and his memories. What a wonderful childhood you Copperbelters all must have had, so different from us Lusaka farm kids.
Tonight we meet Brian Rowlands and the Knowles/Eldridge clan for dinner and hopefully a few other locals too (7 pm at the Mona Lisa if you are in Kitwe).
Tomorrow we are off early on the next of our travels. And no time to answer all your messages or give you a full report on the Lark - towards the end of next week.
DAWIE
Hang in there, my friend. I'm carrying you with me as Arthur, Craig and I travel around and you will hear all about our experiences when we are back. And I have a very special photo for you!! But I'm keeping you in suspense for the next ten days.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 13:15:49 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
The first plastic money I encountered were the notes from the Isle of Man in the 1980's. Here is an interesting story about the new Canadian-made Zambian plastic bank notes .
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 at 07:30:45 (UTC)
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Johnny, just in case you've not seen this one.
A middle aged man bought a brand new Porsche
He took off down the road, pushed it up to 130 kph and was
enjoying the wind blowing through his (thinning) hair. "This is great," he thought and accelerated to 180 kph.
But then he looked in his rear-view mirror, and there was a Police car behind him, blue lights flashing. "I can get away from him no problem" thought the man and he floored it some more, and flew down the road at over 210 kmph to escape being stopped.
Then he thought, "What the hell am I doing? I'm too old for this kind of thing" and pulled over to the side of the road, and waited for the Police car to catch up with him.
The Policeman pulled in behind the Monaro and walked up on the driver's side. "Sir my shift ends in five minutes and today is Friday the 13th.
If you can give me a good reason why you were speeding that I've never heard before, I'll let you go."
The man looked back at the Policeman and said, "Last week my wife ran off with a Policeman, and I thought you were bringing her back!"
The Policeman said, "Have a nice day."
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Monday, September 29, 2003 at 20:58:08 (UTC)
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Just to cheer us up for those that never made it.
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Snow White received a camera as a gift. She happily took pictures of the Dwarfs and their surroundings. When she finished her first batch she took the film to be developed. After a week or so she went to get the finished photos. The clerk said the photos were not back from the processor.
Needless to say, she was disappointed and started to cry. The clerk, trying to console her, said,
"Don't worry. Someday your prints will come".
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 29, 2003 at 20:15:58 (UTC)
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Brasso
Belated greetings.
Hope you had an exceptional Birthday yesterday. Sorry this is late, I had meant to post last week but things got a little hectic. Please give yourself a big kiss from me and hugs to your two wonderful children, Natasha and Scott. It's a shame you had to miss the Lark, but I am sure you had a great day anyway.
I have just become a wicked step-grandmother again (that's twice this year already)!! This one is a little girl though, so now I can indulge myself and buy pink things to my hearts content !!
Keep smiling you old bugger.
Carole
Carole Evans (née Bruce) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, September 29, 2003 at 13:01:53 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, and congratulations Craig on your Bungee Jump, Your a better man than I am Gunga Craig.
Your little smile for the day (I Hope).
Charlie and Audrey are celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary.
Charlie says to Audrey, "Audrey, I was wondering, have you ever cheated on me?"
Audrey replies, "Oh Charlie, why would you ask such a question now? You don't want to ask that question..."
"Yes, Audrey, I really want to know. Please..."
"Well, all right. Yes, 3 times..."
"Three? Well, when were they?" he asked.
"Well, Charlie, remember when you were 35 years old and you really wanted to start the business on your own and no bank would give you a loan? Remember, then one day the bank president himself came over to the house and signed the loan papers, no questions asked?"
"Oh, Audrey, you did that for me! I respect you even more thanever, to do such a thing for me. So,when was number 2?"
"Well, Charlie, remember when you had that last heart attack
and you were needing that very tricky operation, and no surgeon would touch you, Then remember how Dr. DeBakey came all the way up here, to do the surgery himself, and then you were in good shape again?"
"I can't believe it! Audrey, you should do such a thing for me, to save my life. I couldn't have a more wonderful wife. To do such a thing, you must really love me darling. I couldn't be more moved. So, all right then, when was number 3?"
"Well, Charlie, remember a few years ago, when you really wanted to be president of the golf club and you were 17 votes short?"
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 29, 2003 at 06:28:58 (UTC)
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Craig Hartnett,
Congratulations on your new status!!
Now you know what you've been missing all these years.
Welcome aboard, glad you could join us.
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, September 29, 2003 at 03:53:44 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
IMPORTANT HISTORIC ANNOUNCEMENT
Some years ago, when I tendered for someone to administer The Great North Road website, I was hoping to find a Northern Rhodesian/Zambian to take on the task. But no one with that qualification came forward, or could be found. I had to settle for a Southern Rhodesian.
It was a difficult decision, but I had no other option. As Northerners, you know what I am talking about when you have to turn to Salisbury!
Over the years, we have kept the Great North Road ethnically pure. This has been a difficult and vigilant task. There is a mean's test to get on this site. And we have only had ONE member who has been allowed "honourary" Northern status.
This month, I am happy to announce that Mr. Craig Hartnett is no longer an "honourary" Northerner, but is now, in fact, a bona-fide fully qualified Northerner! He has done his time in Northern Rhodesia/Zambia!
He is finally, one of us! We can now officially retire the Bomba Zonke appellation for our beloved Craig.
Welcome Mr. Craig Hartnett, Northern Rhodesian!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 21:59:45 (UTC)
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Livingstone Lark Report
Heather, Arthur and I are back in Lusaka tonight and are leaving early tomorrow for the Copperbelt and Shiwa Ng'andu. My time here is limited, so I will just say a few things:- Thank-you Heather for organising an incredible bash.
- Thank-you Kevin for doing a lot of work on the sidelines in support of Heather.
- Thank-you to all of you who showed up.
- Ali, I took your picture with me when I jumped of the Victoria Falls bridge. It was in my pocket, and it is still clean. I'll post pictures later when I can, which may not be for ten days or two weeks.
- Speaking of pictures, just between Arthur and I we must have hundreds of photographs already, but mine are on film so you won't see them for another couple of weeks.
- If you didn't show up, you missed a great time, even if there doesn't actually appear to be any alcohol in Mosi.
I am actually not leaving Zambia until December 4th, although there will be a few weeks in there during which I will be in South Africa and maybe Zimbabwe too. Since my business is portable, I will be running it from here once Heather, Arthur and I return from our various trips over the next couple of weeks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 19:08:16 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Without Tim Berners-Lee you would not have the world wide web. I would not have created the GNR, and you would not be reading this message.
Thank you Tim Berners-Lee!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 18:29:42 (UTC)
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I knew it - I'd be the first home and never had Noel Wright as an English teacher so don't have the "wright" words to express our weekend !!!", but here goes:-
I arrived at the Zambezi Sun, put my bags in my FANTABULOUS ROOM, went straight to the MAGNIFICENT pool and ordered a glass of dry white wine - and 35 US dollars later, decided I'd just enjoy the sun shine!!!!!
Come late afternoon, no one "in the entire Zambian universe" had heard of the GNR site. Thank the Lord, I had Heather's mobile no: which Craig answered!!! and was told to be at the African Queen at ...............but, whilst on the phone, was over heard by (Two bungie jumps in succession Francois (Doug Grewar's son) GO FRANCOIS!!!!!), so, we all "mosied" (the name of the Zambian beer) down to the river and joined the "rest of the crew".
I am not even going to try to put into words "our evening" - suffice it to say, that had I died that evening, with the band playing 'Stand By Me', the sun going down over the Zambezi, Jacqui and I reminiscing over our childhood in Broken Hill, I would have said "okey "beam me up Scottie................".
The braai at the boma was "unbelievable" with some of the best boerewors I HAVE NEVER TASTED IN MY LIFE !!! (Same band from "The African Queen" and my daughter Shelly says I'm out of space"...... Bye........
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 17:43:43 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
Can't seem to get onto the net properly, so can't see whether you have been "updated" on the Livingstone Lark - Des Kenny was going to try and post early this morning - Folks of the GNR - it was THE MOST AMAZING WEEKEND OF MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!
But ................. have a glass of ice cold wine waiting for me in the lounge, as I have to watch "Going Nowhere Slowly" which I believe tonight is on Livingstone.
Will speak with you later.
Luv,
Beth
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 15:35:39 (UTC)
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BRASSO !!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY
50 YEARS ...WOW.....Hope you have many more.
lots of love and wishes
Ali
LARKERS
Hope you had a wonderful time.was thinking of you all.
was unable to access my pc until tonight..to wish you all the best.it crashed and now with kind and loving help I have win98 and a new outlook on life. (giggles)
Ali
..I hope my photo behaved herself at the Lark ???
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 12:13:53 (UTC)
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Gary
That first message was supposed to read:
50 years old, what a wonderful age to reach. Don't ask me what happened there - I don't know!!!!
Chris said to tell you you are still a young man as he was when he was 50. He is madala now!!!! Just like me, he he he!!!!
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 11:56:04 (UTC)
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years old today. What a wonderful age to reach
Gary
Have a wonderful day. Chris and I are thinking of you and will raise a glass or two!!!! to you tonight. We will have to get together some time. Love to Tash and Scott.
You share your birthday with another great man, my Uncle, Aubrey Wienand, who is 90 today.
Ada and Chris
All those lucky enough to be in Livinstone I hope you are having a ball. I am so envious but wish you a wonderful time. I am sure you will have a great experience.
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 11:49:36 (UTC)
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Livingstone Larkers!!
I am sitting here on a cool overcast UK Sunday morning preparing to get ready to join my family (Brasso clan) for my 50th birthday celebrations at a Greek Resturant in Oxford .......... thinking nay! Kids and I should be doing this or similar in Livingstone!!!! Hope Lark Braai went well for U all last night and expect that copi
uous amounts of Mosi, Rhino, Castle & Lion were consumed and now U are all tending to huge Zam style hangovers!!!! With one exception ...... probably Sarkyarthur whom will have been up at sunrise with the Fish Eagles out looking for his lunch on the river. Only problem is that he cannot fly and does not have talons with which to snatch the fish (probably bream)! Heather - am sure last night was a terrific success for U. I have 1 bottle of Mosi beer left out of my personal mini stock that Cookie & Teresa bought me back from Zambia last year and later this evening I will open that at "sundowner" time here in the UK and toast U all! The koeksisters were taken out of the freezer last night to accompany my Mosi! Only thing I cannot replicate are the sunshine, temperatures, mosquitoes, smell of burning charcoal cooking fires, sounds of the crickets and frogs, roars of the lions and evening calls of the fish eagles. Sob!
To Ada & Chris, Brian & Julia, Oto, Scarscalp & Debs, Johnny G and all those others that were kind enough to send/post best wishes for my 50th today! Thank U one and all. To my kids ......... WAIT TILL I GET U HOME as they say! Nahhh love em too much.
Scarscalp ...... Tiger Fishing in Zambia next year! Mmmmm sounds tempting ...... mebbe for my 51st birthday huh.
TO IAN FORBES ........ thanks for the Quality Street choccies! Happy 50th for Monday 29th September. See am still 24 hours older than U mate! Compacts like me always tended to come off the production line before the bigger models like U. Hee hee. Hope to see U in the next few weeks mebbe for a braai here when I get my garden clear of all the conifers I have recently had felled!
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 08:04:28 (UTC)
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Northerners,
I forgot to mention to Washington area TV viewers that we also receive "Africa This Week," a half hour weekly news program covering news events on the African continent by the South African Broadcasting Corporation. It is screened on Saturday's at 6.00 pm and Monday at 11.30 am by Mhz Networks (channel 98 on Comcast Cable). Part of today's program showed the recent Kasungula tragedy.
Larkers, I could smell the fragrances wafting from your braii. Did you save some choice pieces for me?
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 01:35:59 (UTC)
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Rybicki
Meg I don't know if we can connect but I am sure that I knew your grandparents in Livingstone many years ago. My grandmother was asked by the Northern Rhodesian government in 1940 to take over and operate the Inverlieth House in Livingstone. This was a refuge for the Polish people that escaped Germany and Poland at the beginning of World War 2. There was a family of Rybicki's that stayed there when they first arrived in Livingstone around 1940. As well as I can remember there was a mother, father and 2 sons, although I am not certain of that. Mrs Rybicki I believe went to work for Sutherlands in Livingstone and worked in the travel section. Every time I went into the store she would start to cry and say how much she loved my grandmother and how much my Grandmother had helped the family settling into life in Northern Rhodesia . As far as I can remember I believe that Mr Rybicki had had some connection with the law in Poland before the War. I don't know what Mr Rybicki did in Livingstone but I remember him riding a bycyle all the time around the town. Although my memory is vague I believe that the sons were in their late teens at that time. Maybe one of these boys was your father. Let me know if any bells ring with this information. Allan
Heather
Again let me say congrats for the arranging of the Livingstone Lark. Unfortunately the timing is not the best for us, My wife and I are going to spend our 4th winter in South Africa next January. We will be staying at Shelly Beach again. We did visit Livingstone last year 2002 and really enjoyed our stay at the Zambesi Sun. We may be making another trip up to Zambia next Feb-Mar. Don't know the details yet.
Let me say that Livingstone had changed a lot since my family lived there. My parents house looked as though it had not seen a paint brush in 35 years. Oh well I guess that is called progress.
Athal Jones [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 01:00:56 (UTC)
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Dear Mr. Hogg:
I am sorry I have been remiss in maintaining contact with you, but after what Mr. Maxwell has been telling me about you, I am afraid to continue emailing with you. All I can say is keep taking the tablets and perhaps it will be okay. If not, send for the police... he! he!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 00:59:28 (UTC)
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Hello all you Gnr's
Just a very quick message to with all you Larkers have a great time.
I would love to have made it, but I am afraid that I am in the proccess of moving to the South of Holland as place called Maastricht.
It is a lovely place with so many bars and resteraunts that you will need at least 5 years to try them. Plus we are only down the road from Belgium ( So Mr. Dave Cooper let me know where you will be in hosital and maybe I can make the trip to see you.
DEAR Mr. Brasso congratulations on the 50th birthday, you do of course realise this is the beginning of a great time in your life.
Well I will end now and here from you peole soon.
Have a love time and a delightful weekend.\
Dave contact me and maybe we could meet up
Bye for now Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Almelo, Netherlands
Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 23:08:28 (UTC)
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Hope you all have a grand time on the LARK, leave some Mosi for me please, would hate to have to settle for a Lion or a Castle, hey Brian?
David Russel thanks for the photo of the Rhokana swimming club. What a memory! I have a vague recollection of most of the names you mentioned but have no idea who the rest are. I showed the photo to my Mother but still no help with the question marks. Brian Rowlands may be able to help but with 35 years of being Zambia’s leading Mosi connoisseur I wouldn’t count on it.
Dave Cooper et al, what a great site!! I have regained contact with about a dozen old friends through GNR. They are however to a man (and woman) completely hopeless at any correspondence through normal channels so; Brian, Bets, Linda, Ali how are y’all ? George you’re ok but it is your round when I get back.
Alan Hogg
Alan Hogg [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 21:45:55 (UTC)
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Jammy buggers! I hope a lion bites your bum! He! He! No, seriously. We are all waiting anxiously for the details and photos. Have a great time tonight!!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 14:29:56 (UTC)
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NORTHERNERS
Hello from a very hot Livingstone.
I've lost Arthur, temporarily. I've lost Craig, temporarily. In fact, I've lost everybody. But they're all around Livingstone doing something, many just recovering from last night.
Photos will follow as soon as we have a few minutes to catch our breaths.
Heather
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 12:01:20 (UTC)
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Larkers.....
Its a beautiful sunny day at home. Not jealous really!
For any of you going through Lusaka, will you post some photos of the town centre, Gilbert Rennie and Woodlands Primary School?
Enjoy the braai tonight! Over boiled cabbage and steroid enhanced beef for us at home.... yum yum!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 11:49:12 (UTC)
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Hi All at home and those in Livingstone,
To those at the lark I hope everyone has arrived safe and sound and I also hope you have you have a barbie like we have. Ian Jameson, Bruce Henley, Charlie Dates (Also ex N.R. Broken Hill) and I decided to have a few toasts to all you lucky people. Funny how many things you can to toast when in good company and the beers are ice cold. Lynne thinks we have a few screws loose (How can you explain to someone who has never had the experence of growing up in Eden?)
To all at the Lark have the time of your life. We will be with you all in spirit...... HIC!
Cheers
PS. Must go and find where Lynne hid the Grand-Pa headache powders.
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 05:44:17 (UTC)
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Pardon me, Otto, but could you repeat the question, please? (grin) sorry... couldn't resist.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 22:39:35 (UTC)
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to all my friends who has been writing to me please let me have your e mail addresses thanks Otto
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 18:37:47 (UTC)
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to all my friends who has been writing to me please let me have your e mail addresses thanks Otto
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 18:37:44 (UTC)
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to all my friends who has been writing to me please let me have your e mail addresses thanks Otto
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 18:37:40 (UTC)
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The age of miracles has not yet passed, Scarscalp has ressurected himself its about time buddy.
Happy Birth Day Brasso may you have many more, give my love to the kids Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 17:34:07 (UTC)
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George
I sympathize with your predicament. I remember my father complaining about the cold and dark weather in Glasgow where he attended university. Part of the reason why we were raised in warmer places.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 17:06:43 (UTC)
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Chandru et al
Out here in The World, we get good reliable regular news on Africa on BBC World... "Africa Direct". There is also Europe Direct, Asia Today and I am sure others.
I saw BBC America whilst in the States. But it has adverts!!!!!!!! Good grief. Also, few people watch it or even know about it! One complaint from one person who had seen BBC America was this: "Too much foreign news, and I don't get those comedy shows... what's funny about 'em?"
Whatever.
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 13:31:52 (UTC)
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Northerners,
Television viewers in the Washington, DC area might be interested to know that Channel 32 (Howard University Television station) has a program every Thursday at 8.00 pm called "On Africa." It shows African movies, documentaries and interviews (I viewed one done with the Botswanan President by the show's producer yesterday, and with the Mozambiquan President a few weeks ago). Many of the episodes are repeats, so if you miss one there is a good chance that you will see it again in the future.
Larkers, have a great river cruise this evening!
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 13:15:42 (UTC)
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Meg Rybicki
I have not met your brother - Ed - yet! I looked up his name in the directory, and he lives less than a K away from me. In the small suburb of Pinelands the following NR names spring to mind : Peter Erasmus, Peter Arton-Powell, Joy Green (her maiden name escapes me at the moment - she's from Chingola, and went to DSG in Grahamstown), John Pickering, John Mules-Berry, James Tregay. What does that make? 8 of us in such a small area? Amazing!
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 10:13:45 (UTC)
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Good morning campers here is your smile I hope for today I liked it hope you do.
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> > An airline pilot wrote that on this particular flight he had hammered
> > his ship into the runway really hard. The airline had a policy which
> > required the first officer to stand at the door while the passengers
> > exited, smile, and give them a "Thanks for flying United." He said
> > that, in light of his bad landing, he had a hard time looking the
> > passengers in the eye, thinking that someone would have a smart comment.
> > Finally everyone had got off except for an old lady walking with a
> > cane. She said, "Sonny, mind if I ask you a question?" "Why no ma'am,"said the pilot. "What is it?"
The little old lady said, "Did we land or were we shot down?"
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 06:59:23 (UTC)
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Central heating is on full blast, I am sitting here in the gloom of a cool autumn morning, why, oh why, did I decide not to attend the lark?
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 05:00:34 (UTC)
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To the happy Larkers
By the Vic Falls you will find them
And the lonely Lurkers
By their keyboards you will find them
The Rhyme of the Restless Ones
We couldn't sit and study for the law;
The stagnation of a bank we couldn't stand;
For our riot blood was surging, and we didn't need much urging
To excitements and excesses that are banned.
So we took to wine and drink and other things,
And the devil in us struggled to be free;
Till our friends rose up in wrath, and they pointed out the path,
And they paid our debts and packed us o'er the sea.
Oh, they shook us off and shipped us o'er the foam,
To the larger lands that lure a man to roam;
And we took the chance they gave
Of a far and foreign grave,
And we bade good-by for evermore to home.
And some of us are climbing on the peak,
And some of us are camping on the plain;
By pine and palm you'll find us, with never claim to bind us,
By track and trail you'll meet us once again.
We are the fated serfs to freedom -- sky and sea;
We have failed where slummy cities overflow;
But the stranger ways of earth know our pride and know our worth,
And we go into the dark as fighters go.
Yes, we go into the night as brave men go,
Though our faces they be often streaked with woe;
Yet we're hard as cats to kill,
And our hearts are reckless still,
And we've danced with death a dozen times or so.
And you'll find us in Alaska after gold,
And you'll find us herding cattle in the South.
We like strong drink and fun, and, when the race is run,
We often die with curses in our mouth.
We are wild as colts unbroke, but never mean.
Of our sins we've shoulders broad to bear the blame;
But we'll never stay in town and we'll never settle down,
And we'll never have an object or an aim.
No, there's that in us that time can never tame;
And life will always seem a careless game;
And they'd better far forget --
Those who say they love us yet --
Forget, blot out with bitterness our name.
Robert Service
Although time could never tame
Our lifetimes careless game
They never could forget
And without bitterness they love us yet
They never could blot out our GNR name
So Happy Larkers please be kind
And remind us Lurkers to those you find
Amongst the throng who wine & dine
On the banks of the Zambezi
At the Vic Falls Rainbow Bridge
In particular Ron & Veronica send fond regards
To Jill Hewitt [nee' Kirby] and her sister Constan
Who raise cattle at Mazabuka.
Veronica & Jill were at the Lusaka Convent
So Many Moons ago
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Friday, September 26, 2003 at 00:56:06 (UTC)
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Yep, happy birthday to our Brasso who never tarnishes with age!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 22:51:58 (UTC)
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CHARLES DO YOU KNOW my brother Ed Rybicki, he lives in Pinelands too, he is in microbiology at UCT, he was best friends with Heathers brother Charles when they lived next door to my family in woodlands many moons ago, to the ELDRIDGES my grandparents Stefan and Vera Rybicki arrived in Livingstone 63 years ago, would your folks have known of them? also my mom got married in the RC church in livingstone in 1954, could someone take a pic of the church for me, you could scan it direct to my email, why I am doing my mom favours when she is living it up in Capetown and I am stuck in dreary Leitrim I dont know. have a great time y'all, I will get to the next lark, (revenge of the lark, Lark II, Son of the Lark, ) if it means pawning my wedding ring ! Go well, Meg (ARTHUR catch one for me)
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 20:48:36 (UTC)
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Brasso,
U n me book a little Tiger fishing trip next year? Upper reaches of the Zambezi sound good?
Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong
Scarscalp [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cumbria, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 20:48:21 (UTC)
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To all of you who are there and those of you still making the journey, have a wonderful weekend.
Am soooo peeeed off that Debs and I cannot join you in body, but we will be lifting glasses of a suitable beverage to you though.
Well done that old Chalcraft woman.
Next point, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha BRASSO u old git
Scarscalp [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cumbria, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 20:43:23 (UTC)
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Hi Beth (and Jacqui),
here's hoping you have a safe and super journey. Thanks for the call this evening - I'm well along the road to recovery and it has been an education to me in 'take your time - what's the hurry'. I had the stitches removed on Tuesday - and managed to look at the surgeon's handiwork, using a mirror, this evening. Hell! He was neat. 2-3 years from now I won't even have a scar! When in Livingstone, you must take a photo of the tree with D Livingstone's initials carved IN it (if they're still discernible). W.r.t. bungee jumping - take a bottle of champagne with you. Just before you jump, take the foil and wire off, then jump (making sure you have a firm grip on said item). You can then twist yourself up to a (sort of) standing position and pop the cork while you wait for them to hoist you up again. There again - you mentioned you've injured your back - PLEASE don't jump - just enjoy everyone elses fear!
PS Please look after Sarky - I think, deep down, he has fond memories of Broken Hill - despite the fact that he can only recall a petrol pump. He probably received poor service at Proctor's Garage (you can see I've just read 'The Africa House' - which brought back memories of a really great Grande Dame Bertie Proctor who Tess and I had drinks with, in Durban, in the late '70's)
Dawid v Amsterdam .....
What's the story about 'The day of the big knifes'? Another op? What's wrong with us IT okes? Are we into pain (jokes aside - not me!) What are they going to do to U? Please drop me a line.
Heather C....
I've got a VERY strong feeling (it must be that Irish fey) that we are going to meet in the not too distant future - and Tess and I am looking forward to it! After all the work and preparation you have put into the LL - I know it's going to a great sucess.
Broken Hillians RULE - OK!
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 19:42:14 (UTC)
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TO ALL RETURNING EX-PATS...
Have fun everyone. Enjoy yourselves! Of course I am very, very, depressed that I cannot join in. But perhaps I can make it next year... I have a big appointment coming up in October, so I cannot be away... I must prepare carefully for my day under the knife.
Thanks Heather for your diligence and your humour and stoicism in the fate of my unstoppable pessimism.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 18:40:14 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
Have just finished packing and leave tomorrow on the 11:20a.m. flight for Livingstone. I can't believe I'm actually going - having not been "home" for thirty four years. Heaven knows how I'm going to get to sleep tonight - I feel like a child on Christmas Eve!
To all of you who can't join us, rest assured, we'll certainly have a few ales for you. Charlie C. - won't be jumping off the bridge with a photo of you clutched in hand, but will certainly think of you with a glass of dry white, watching the sun go down over the mighty Zambezi.
BROKEN HILLIANS RULE!!!!!!!
Hamba kahle everyone, till next week.
Luv,
Beth
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 18:18:24 (UTC)
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As the two Eldridge Girls make their way through Botswana on this beautiful September day, the other two Eldridge Girls' hearts are going with them (although Shirley hasn't posted for a while, I know her thoughts are also on The Road).
When they spot the first baobab reaching out to the African sky, as they catch the first glimpse of the 'smoke that thunders', and as they stand again on the warm soil of home, I hope they think of us.
I hope they think too of the young couple who arrived there about 70 years ago - filled with anticipation and youthful dreams. May they remember those children who grew up in that special place and eventually raised families of their own, allowing us to build our dreams and live our lives of wonder in our very own "Promised Land'.
Although so many of our family have gone now, I hope the Eldridge Girls' hearts swell with gratitude and pride in the realisation of how privileged we all were. And I know all the other Eldridges will be watching over the Livingstone Lark and smiling ............
PS: By the way, I became a Granny again on Tuesday - my fabulous son and daughter-in-law produced another addition to the next generation of Eldridge Girls !!
Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 10:12:00 (UTC)
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Vivienne!
You forgot, you just forgot, you should have soaked your canvas water bag first. Then the canvas would have nicely 'shrunk' and the stitching not leaked. Then you fill your bag with water (boiled of course!) and hang it over the front side mirror. It would then develop a cool mist over its skin, somehow repel the dust, and the water inside would be cool and delicious. The best tasting water ever!
Those in Livingstone: Have a wonderful time! How could you not!
If anyone gets any photos of Hillcrest High School, please post them. It is my alma mater!
Cathrine Nelson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Washington, DC, United States
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 10:05:02 (UTC)
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Dear Viv, (loved the diary entry) Heather, Craig, Arthur and all the Larkers,
We're with you all the way - hearts in our mouths too, you lucky buggers!
Take care and drink thirstily, eat hungrily, feast your eyes and your ears!
We can't be there to take part in this special adventure but we will be thinking of you...
Yours
enviously
Loads of Lonely Lurkers Left behind.
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 07:05:26 (UTC)
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Morning campers this made me smile I hope it does you especially those of us who are in mourning because we ain't going to be there, Johnny.
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Two ladies talking and one said my dog is smarter than your dog, the other lady say's I dont think so, the other lady continues my dog meets the post man at my gate every morning collects the mail and brings it to me where ever I am in the house at the time,the other lady says yes I know, how do you know says the other lady, she replied my dog told me.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 06:49:02 (UTC)
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To all who have birthdays
to the Larkers
and the Lurkers
and to those who cannot decide
just where they fit in.
Do you realize that the only time in our lives when we like to get old is when we're kids?
If you're less than 10 years old, you're so excited about aging that you think in fractions.
" How old are you?"
"I'm four and a half!"
You're never thirty-six and a half. You're four and a half, going on five! That's the key.
You get into your teens, now they can't hold you back. You jump to the next number, or even a few ahead.
"How old are you?" "I'm gonna be 16!" You could be 13, but hey, you're gonna be 16!
And then the greatest day of your life . . . you become 21.
Even the words sound like a ceremony . . . YOU BECOME 21.
YESSSS!!!
But then you turn 30. Oooohh, what happened there? Makes you sound like bad milk.
He/she TURNED; we had to throw him/her out. There's no fun now, you're just a sour-dumpling.
What's wrong? What's changed?
You BECOME 21, you TURN 30, then you're PUSHING 40.
Whoa! Put on the brakes, it's all slipping away.
Before you know it, you REACH 50 . . . and your dreams are gone.
But wait!!!
You MAKE it to 60. You didn't think you would!
So you BECOME 21, TURN 30, PUSH 40, REACH 50 and MAKE it to 60.
You've built up so much speed that you HIT 70!
After that it's a day-by-day thing;
you HIT Wednesday!
You get into your 80s and every day is a complete cycle;
you HITlunch; you TURN 4:30; you REACH bedtime.
And it doesn't end there.
Into the 90s, you start going backwards;
"I was JUST 92."
Then a strange thing happens.
If you make it over 100, you become alittle kid again.
"I'm 100 and a half!"
May you all make it to a healthy 100 and a half!!
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Source: George Carlin's View on Aging
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Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Thursday, September 25, 2003 at 03:07:14 (UTC)
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Great html job Paudie - it worked!!!!
Jilly There, all fixed. You feel better about jumping now? Don't drop our friend in the drink (although she has always liked to travel and might enjoy a trip down the Zambezi).
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 22:07:57 (UTC)
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Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 21:43:58 (UTC)
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I can’t quite believe that we are almost on our way.
It is 10:40 pm in Boksburg, South Africa and I am trying to finish the 101 little things that need to be done before I can climb wearily into bed and try to get some much needed sleep before Grant and Heather arrive at 04:30 tomorrow to collect me! My youngest daughter, Shona, is in her room across the hallway studying for her last two exams and feeling very sorry for herself as she is unable to join us, I needless to say am feeling extremely guilty at having to leave her behind.
My mounting excitement over the last few weeks has bubbled up and finally boiled over leaving me with so many conflicting emotions that I’m not at all sure how I am going to feel once I finally get home. Twenty-nine years and yet in many ways just yesterday! So much love and laughter and so many tears separate that young girl who left her heart behind her from this middle aged women I find myself lumbered with. So many memories…
On a lighter note – I managed to find two of those canvas bottles that we used to fill with water and hang on the outside of the car for our journeys down “South” and I had visions of stopping by the roadside and being able to quench our thirst with an ice cold cup of water when the heat got too much (those were the days). Heather has burst that bubble as she informed me earlier in the evening that the water poured out of both of them and they would have been bone dry by the time we made out first pit stop. Oh well although a flask of cold water will do the job, it certainly won’t seem quite the same!!!
To those of you who are going, see you in Livingstone and to those of you staying at home, wish you could all be coming along, wouldn’t that be something.
Lots of love
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 21:16:09 (UTC)
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To all the Larkers traveling North i would like to make some suggestions. Make photostats copies of all your papers and keep them seperate. I had a lot of trouble traveling in Zim 2 years ago, Zim officials travelling in a Landrover +- 8 of them armed stopping you and demanding to see your papers for the import of your car, you have to be very polite. Times have changed. ENJOY THE LARK I WILL BE ON MY WAY TO N>Z CHEERS ENJOU THE BEER AND THE SUN Otto
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 17:20:43 (UTC)
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JOHN COSTOPOLOUS
If I can arrange to get them up here (which should not be difficult) we would dearly love to have your Mufulira Magazines for scanning and eventual display on this site.
I will contact you once I have got this Lark over and done.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 13:37:18 (UTC)
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BRASSO/DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAT 28.09.03!!!!!!!
We snuck onto GNR while "old man" not about! Hee hee! DAD OUR LOVE AND VERY BEST WISHES FOR YOUR COMMING SPECIAL DAY ...... SUNDAY 28TH SEPT! HAPPY 50TH BIRTHDAY .... WE LOVE U AND THANKS FOR BEING SUCH A GREAT DAD AND FRIEND! We know that your greatest desire would have been to have flown to Zambia to spend your 50th at the Livingstone Lark ..... other matters have had to keep U here in the UK but we appreciate the sacrifice U have made!
Love and thanks for being there for us - Natasha & Scott.
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Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 07:03:01 (UTC)
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MUFULIRA MAGAZINE
I have Volumes 1 to 7 (1952 to 1958) of the Mufulira Magazine. The 12 magazines of each year are bound together in a cover to make a volume.
We are about to move and I don’t really want to cart them off again. As I never look at them, is there anyone out there who would like to have them?
John Costopoulos [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, KZN, South Africa
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 07:00:45 (UTC)
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Tian,
Now that's really put me off jumping!
Ali,
Your photo is packed and ready for the rubber band.
See you at the Lark.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 04:43:10 (UTC)
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Well that worked like a brick! It was supposed to read
Have funnnnnn all you bungeeeeeeeeeeee jumpers
(like a bungee cord going down and up and down) but alas my html
went to - Well - it looks like flotsam over the Devil's Cataract.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 03:52:23 (UTC)
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Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 03:46:13 (UTC)
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Tina
Thanks for the invitation, I had considered visiting my New Jersey cousin during the blackout, but erred on the side of optimism that the power would be restored quickly.
Looks like a fun job for you, although I'd be careful of the rhinos, I remember one chasing our Landrover when we got too close to it in the Serengeti back in 71'.
On a different note, the electricity came back on yesterday evening. Back to civilization now.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 22:17:40 (UTC)
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Bags packed, waiting for the car to take us to Heathrow on the first leg to Livingstone. Joburg tomorrow, Livingstone on Friday. See you there Larkers.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 17:49:41 (UTC)
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Alix,
I don't think Craig is Bungee jumping, maybe - but he is going on an elephant back safari with me - I am leaving tomorrow morning - if you want him to take your photo on ellie-back - please send one tonight. We can laways ask somebody to carry it for you - I am sure we will meet some jumpers at the falls.
Northerners,
Land Rover back in action - leaving tomorrow morning - so you won't be able to contact me until the 1st of October.
Linda,
Thanks for big talk with Bwana Makubwa.
Bye!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 17:22:12 (UTC)
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CRAIG...
If you are going to bungy jump over the falls....could you please do a favour...can you take my photo with you......it is a little wish of mine if I ever went bungy jumping the best place in the world would be Victoria Falls......PRETTY PLEASE......
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 13:25:56 (UTC)
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Grant Knowles, Glenda Freeland, Hilary Tyson-Woodcock, Luanne Massoline
Best Wishes on your Birthday
NORTHERNERS
May I echo Philip Pain's message over the weekend. If you want us to take your photo with you, please email them to me within the next 24 hours when I shall be printing them.
TINA MAGEE
Somewhere in the back of my mind, I seem to remember that Kathryn Mwondela who is now PRO for Hotel Intercontinental was also a convent girl. Can you remind me after 10 October and I will get in touch with her for you.
ALIX
You need to ask Craig - he's the nutter that's going bungy jumping. I shall only be taking photos of him, thank you.
CHANDRU
Yes, we do still have lions wandering around the farming areas just outside Lusaka. Sadly, this is not as frequent an occurrence as it used to be.
BOB ALLAN
I have received the photos, thanks
RAY WRIGHT
Don't let your imagination go too wild because we'd probably both end up on the floor laughing at the sight of me with a whip (and don't forget the stiletto heels.) Plus I'd probably get myself tangled up with the whip and land flat on my face.
LARKERS
Many of you will shortly be leaving on your way to Livingstone. Travel well and I look forward to meeting you on Friday. I have already sent you my phone number should you have any problems and from about mid-afternoon on Thursday, you can contact me on +260 97 891 413 - there is coverage all the way down from Lusaka I think.
TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR LIVINGSTONE
The telephone number I shall be using whilst in Livingstone is +260 97 891 413 should you wish to phone.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 06:43:58 (UTC)
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Poor Chandru!
There are some great things in most countries.
Next time it's all bleak up there hop on a plane to Dallas. We'll fill you up with some good wors, and introduce you to the flame lilies in the garden. Then we'll drive you through some nice African-like Savannah to this place and introduce you to the cheetahs and the black and white rhino at this place where I will be beginning work as a volunteer.
http://www.fossilrim.com/index.php
The lights will stay on. The sun will shine under blue cumulous filled skies. You'll meet some lovely Americans and the ex director of the Joburg Zoo who is now the Fossil Rim Director. We'll even forgive them their safari tents ;-) for the wonderful work they are doing with captive breeding of endangered species with well crossed stock. Nope, before you even ask, although its Texas, they are not breeding anything here to hunt, folks.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 05:36:08 (UTC)
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Just a look back on the days of floaters, besides suffering the normal floaters that were caused by the empty returned bottles being stored on there return to the brewery outside in the direct sunshine which baked the particles on to the inside of the bottles, and when eventually steamed cleaned resisted and clung on inside until refilled and when soaked again for a period of time detatched themselves and hey presto floaters, I personally was driving out to our shooting area one night and my buddy opened two beers and passed one to me, i took a swig and after an initial trickle the flow ceased, I stopped and went to examine the cause for the stoppage in the headlights of the landrover, it was not difficult to accetain the cause a baby vole had inserted its long nose into the neck of the bottle of course restricting the flow, the second time was a simple one to see a piece of copper wire which thankfully was to long to have been swallowed with out some discomfort, the mystery to me that still remains today what happened around 1965 in the brewry to cause these catastrophy's? can any one answer that one?
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 04:09:05 (UTC)
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Arthur and Heather:
you may recall that a couple of months ago you posted on the GNR for me a photo I took at Victoria Falls Station of loco no 204, and we were wondering what class it was.
Well my copy of Rev. E.D. Hamer's book has finally arrived and I can now tell you loco 204 was handed over to Zambia Railways in 1967 by Rhodesian Railways (see "stats" image , from p 87).
It formed part of the 3rd batch of 12th Class locos (the Gloroius 12th!) ,being 4-8-2 wheels, built at North British Loco Co Park Works, Glasgow in 1928. Supplied to RR the same year, 1928
I enclose a few pictures of the class (incl. no 203), but I guess copyright law will preclude posting on the GNR website, unfortunately.
However, Heather might care to print same for brief display among photos at the Livingstone Lark - I can't make it sad to say.
Cheers
Bob Allan
Melbourne
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 03:29:42 (UTC)
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Ooooooh!!! Heather.
The very thought of you chasing after me with that whip has me imagining all sorts of things - most of which are probably better left unsaid!
But at the end of the day I do have a choice; I could simply grin and bare it (spelling was never my strong point) or I could be awkward and refuse to write up my account in order to see what it might lead to.
However, I do feel it's necessary to point out that if you were to start belabouring me with your whip, or anything similar for that matter, you might find a certain Hilry not far behind with an axe to grind, so to speak, and she might be vying with you for the privilege.
It's so nice to feel wanted!!!
Enjoy the Lark. You deserve it after all the hard work you've put into its organisation. Wish I could join you.
Best Wishes
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 01:11:27 (UTC)
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I will be off line untill after the Lark. Tomorrow I am handing in my computer for upgrading and safekeeping until I return to RSA.
Tot Siens - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 20:08:29 (UTC)
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TO BOB GILLIES, I read your letter, i can remember the beer bottle with the toothbrush in it, it caused a stink with the beer drinkers.I worked at the refinery , and some Fridays we used to go and drink at the EDINBurgh Hotel.You are right about no glasses.The floors was covered with saw dust .I see you mentioned Harold Wenman I new him very well,Old Mac i cannot remember his Surname, can you help? and where they worked.It is a bind when you get old. My e mail address otto@aerosat.co.za Regards Otto Bousema.
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 17:00:15 (UTC)
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Jane, The Mosi & Muchinga story reminded me of the beer situation around 1973. We called it Zambian Brown Label as we never saw a label on any bottle at all. We assumed it was Mosi at the time. I know we arrived home in a bad state sometimes and blamed it on being nailed by a few mozzies. Old Mac and Harold Wenman used to check the beer delivery at Rhokana Bowling Club by taking a few bottles out of each crate and holding them up to the light to check for debris. A few were opened and tested as well. The bowling Club was the safest place to have a beer due to their QC. I think one of the causes of the floaters was that the breweries used an old locomotive's boiler to produce steam to hopefully clean the bottles. Unfortunately some bottles were collected by picannins on their wanderings through the bush and the loco couldn't produce hot enough steam to clean some of them out. The best was to pour slowly into a beer glass and watch for any change of colour. This proved difficult at the Edinburg Hotel in Kitwe as in the later days you only got a bottle, no glass. I am sure there was a report of a toothbrush being found in a beer in the Times of Zambia , I know we saw various wierd things coming out of the odd beer and drank with great caution if we did'nt have a glass.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 15:17:59 (UTC)
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LARKER NO. 5 HAS CHECKED IN
John Steers, one of the Aussie contingent, has arrived in Lusaka. I have not met him yet, but we did manage to speak on the phone briefly. We will meet on Thursday.
CHANDRU
Perhaps you should ask ZESCO to take over your power company. I cannot remember when the last time was that we had a power failure that lasted for longer than about 7 hours.
RAY WRIGHT
You have no choice - YOU WILL BE WRITING THAT STORY - otherwise that Chalcraft woman will be after you with her whip. I'll email you privately once I've got this Lark out of the way (oh, and don't forget the magazine that I'm still trying to put together.) No time even to look at the pages that Dawie is ferreting out.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 14:50:13 (UTC)
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Ray
Your use of the word safari reminds me of the time I was at south Kruger a few years ago... it was a daytrip from Blyderivierspoort. We stopped at a café inside the park... you know, one of those espresso bars with the pizzettas served under Cinzano umbrellas on the manicured lawns with fountains and stuff. Very elegant.
Sitting under some umbrellas, all decked out in khaki, sipping on lattés were some Americans. We overheard them: "Well you'rrrrrrre getting a betterrrrrr exchange rate than me! And we arrrrrrre on safarrrrrri you know!"
We blurted out larfing as we retreated to the car to leave as quickly as possible!
Hmmmm... wild Africa, I reckon. Now where's my safari " OUTFIT "?
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 13:43:17 (UTC)
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David,
Thank you for the gracious, or should that be gratuitous, comments!!
And by searching a little more diligently I did find the link to Inchi-Yetu. What an amazing site - no fewer than 11000 odd pics of the glorious country that was the Belgian Congo.
Hilry and I have pondered whether to write up the Congo Safari which was a wonderful adventure, as was our overland journey the following year (1971) from Kitwe to England passing through no less than 17 countries en-route - certainly accounts of the two journeys together would make fairly interesting reading. Maybe if you and enough others are keen we could make a start, and we do have some photos of both trips to add some historical spice - along with somewhat more conventional safaris to Malawi and East Africa. In fact our travelling companions on the overland trip actually kept a diary on a daily basis if they can be persuaded to part with it!!!
In any event thanks for the kind thoughts.
Larkers
Along with all the other jealous Lurkers, I just want to add my best wishes for a marvellous and enjoyable return to the country that gave so many beautiful memories to me - and all the rest of us. Enjoy. And remember!! Be happy, and a safe journey to you all.
Regards
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 13:30:44 (UTC)
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Dave,
It was sad reading that BBC article about the state of the African lion. I remember that as late as the 1970's an occasional lion would venture into the outskirts of Lusaka and unfortunately be shot and displayed on the front page of one of the newspapers. I don't know if it still happens these days.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 13:17:57 (UTC)
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Good morning Northerners!
Now would certainly be an opportune time to be at the Livingstome Lark rather than the Washington area.
The morning of Thursday, Sept. 18 dawned with grey skies. Slowly a steady rain began falling and the wind began blowing. Looking up at the skies in the afternoon I could see the clouds traveling at a high rate of speed. By evening the wind was gusting and it was raining hard. At 6.30 pm I heard a big "boom" sound from outside and the electricity went off. Fortunately I had finished cooking and ate dinner by candle light while listening to my battery powered radio (which I found to be very essential). Peering out the window late at night I could see the trees being blown in a circular motion by the strong wind of Hurricane (now tropical storm) Isabel. The brunt of the storm was between 10 pm and 2 am.
Next morning I got up to find the outside ground covered with leaves and small branches. Walking in a nearby park I saw many huge trees that had been uprooted and that had fallen down on and brought down power lines and poles. Fortunately the storm had caused relatively low loss of life and property damage, but it had disrupted extensively the electricity transmission system in the Washington area. Calling our automated utility power outage response system, I was informed that the estimated restoral time would be September 25.
As of today I still do not have electricity service. I spent the past few days cleaning (especially the refrigerator since I had to throw everything out-this being the second time since a thunderstorm a few weeks ago), reading and listening to the radio. So the past few days have been spent in the 19th century and I look forward to being back in the 21st.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 13:09:46 (UTC)
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Ray
What an INCREDIBLE journey you made! You're a stud, dude! It makes all these so-called "Africans" worrying about the journey to Livingstone via Botswana, Zim, and the ferry over the Zambesi sound like a bunch of wimps, hey? [stupid little smiley face here for the humour-impaired]
Thanks for the kind words... I was hoping to share those incredible shots of African specialness, (wink wink) but sometimes, I doubt very many people follow my links... not everyone shares the same passion about Africa outside of Zambia.
Your trip sounds brilliant---the stuff novels and good films are made of! You should write this up sometime. Really! Any photos of the trip? What really adds spice is that you did this all in the midst of the chaos and danger of rebellious Congo! I am truly impressed!
The Congo websites are a trip, man. You should check the others out too. The Belgians had a fantastic African adventureland... and they managed to merge their European lifestyle into the harsh and cruel nature of Congo: Heart of Darkness. Our style in NR/Zambia was quite different, yet we both shared such similarities.
To find any linked site on the GNR, go to the Links page. If you look to the right in the margin, you will see a link to the Links page. Peruse the links there, you will see quite a few to the Congo, also Kenya, and oher places. I even found an ex-pat site for Guinea (but have not put it up on our links site yet).
Do not be put off by the look and feel (with all the sound files and garishness) of other sites. Go for the content... that is what counts.
Glad you enjoyed this... I love feedback like yours. Thanks for posting about your trip... you have certainly experienced the REAL AFRICA.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 12:09:00 (UTC)
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*************LIVINGSTONE LARKERS !!!************
HAVE A WONDERFUL , WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL TIME
I WILL BE THINKING OF YOU, YOU VERY LUCKY PEOPLE,
......OH JUST BY CHANCE ANYONE OF YOU GOES BUNGY JUMPING OVER THE FALLS, HEATHER HAS MY PHOTO...COULD YOU TAKE IT WITH YOU ?...........
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 11:59:46 (UTC)
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Dave,
Great links to those Katanga sites. However where do I find the link on GNR to Inchi-Yetu, as I'd like to see a bit more of it at my leisure without scrolling down the message board to your post each time!
I loved that series of 11 pics of the strange ways of Africa - so typical and bring back so many fond memories. In particular I thought the guy taking his ease in the little motor boat whilst chatting to his mate on the phone was a gem! And the Garage Pegot one and your mention elsewhere of Albertville on Lake Tanganyika also took me back over 30 years to a trip that my then new wife Hilry and I made back in 1970 in a Peugot 404, up from Kitwe through Katanga and Kivu Provinces of the Congo. This was not long after all the troubles in Katanga and the place was still in a mess, and the roads were atrocious outside of the main cities. So bad in fact that it took us four days of difficult driving to get to Albertville, at which we arrived late one evening making a dreadful din because the exhaust had been knocked off the car by the rough roads. The noise drew us, unfortunately, to the attention of a somewhat over-zealous police officer who promptly arrested us for, amongst other things, not having a Congolese drivers licence. Not to put too fine a point on it we were scared shitless, and imagined being imprisoned indefinitely and without trace in a stinking Congolese gaol - until by pure good fortune a Belgian commercial fisherman bribed the cop with some fresh fish and we were released forthwith. Anyway, we could not drive north from Albertville because there were still rebels about and the local army commander wouldn't give us permission, so we booked ourselves and the car on a ferry on Lake Tanganyika which, eventually and ever so slowly, took us from Albertville via Kigoma in Tanzania and Bujumbura in Burundi to the port of Uvira at the very top (north) of the lake, arriving so late in the day that we had to off-load the car ourselves because all the port workers had knocked off. From there we were able to continue our drive north through Bukavu and on into Uganda and then Kenya before returning to Zambia by the 'normal' route along the Great North Road through Tanzania. But that's all another story!!!
On reflection the trip was a little bit reckless perhaps but what the hell - you're only young once aren't you?
Regards
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 11:40:24 (UTC)
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IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT NEW MEMBERSHIP APPLICATIONS AND CONTACTING THE GNR
Any messages relating to the GNR sent to me, either direct to my e-mail address or through the contact form on the GNR Web site, on or after September 18th will not receive a reply from me until around the middle of October.
Additionally, any new membership applications made between now and mid-October will not be vetted and activated until then as well.
Normally when I go away, Heather or Arthur would take over the job of dealing with GNR e-mail. However, since all three of us will be away at the same time, GNR business will have to be postponed until we are back at our desks.
Sorry for the inconvenience, but hang in there until we sober up. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 09:58:25 (UTC)
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Nicola Havard, David Thomas
Best Wishes on your Birthday
LARKERS DRIVING UP FROM SA
My parents arrived back on Saturday from a trip to SA. There was a big queue at Kasungula, so be prepared for delays although they should not be that bad by the end of this week. My parents eventually decided to go through Zim rather than wait in the queue and possibly have to spend the night at the border.
Please remember that you need to be in Livingstone by 4 pm, at the latest, on Friday if you do not wish to miss the dinner on the African Queen.
JOHN STEERS
I assume you have arrived in Lusaka by now. Please give me a call on 096 860-553 or 235-333 so that we can liaise on where and when to meet on Thursday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 09:38:36 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, a golden oldie for you this morning but maybe a lot of the lighties have never heard it.
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Jean and Joan met at the entrance of there high rise flats, they were both ladies of easy virtue, and Joan said the lifts are still broken down from early this morning,Jean said dont tell me I have been up and down those 55 steps to my flat today with 30 different men, and Joan said OH your poor feet.
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Have a nice monday Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 05:42:52 (UTC)
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Hi all you lurkers not going to Livingstone
Time is running out to get your pictures to Heather
for display at the Lark.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 22, 2003 at 04:23:32 (UTC)
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LUSAKA CONVENT GROUP
(S'cuse the shout, just want to make sure you see this).
Did you go to Lusaka Convent? Would you like to reunite with people who did and help search for classmates? Email me!
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Good to see the poetry of the Pioneers of the Empire is still getting a good workout. "And what do they know of England that only England know?" Eh Fifi, Ron?
Bon Voyage to all Bashers and Bashettes. You must be so excited!!!! And the rest of us are excited for you. XXX
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 21:50:46 (UTC)
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OOOOOH!
Getting ever-so excited!
Always wanted to do the Kazungula Ferry - only now it's much more scary - but still on track! I am taking my water-wings and hunting knife - gotta "Be prepared"!
Next Friday - over on the ferry!!!
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 20:51:40 (UTC)
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Katanga
Interesting book on the history of Katanga:
http://kolwezikat.free.fr/Publications/Kat2.rtf
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 20:04:46 (UTC)
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Cape to Cairo railway
A great personal story from 1920 - naw, not me!!!
http://www.empireclubfoundation.com/details.asp?SpeechID=2562&FT=yes
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 20:00:05 (UTC)
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Otto:
I sent you the email I have for Vic Bekker. Hope it works.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 19:54:51 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
This evenings TV3 show "Going Nowhere Slowly" featured the ferry (obviously shot before the accident). Make sure your vehicles are not parked halfway onto the drop ramps to squeeze an extra car onto the ferry, as was the case with the TVs crew's car. Also make sure you have someone riding shot gun to deal with any hungry crocs following the craft! Have a great time with all the GNRS - I am sad that I could not make the trip.
Best wishes to all attending.
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 19:26:10 (UTC)
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I received a e mail from Vic Bekker but i do not have a e mail address for him. Vic please let me have it Otto thanks.
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 16:05:41 (UTC)
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Dave
Geweldig!! No need for words, thanks.
jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 11:36:08 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
If you follow these links you'll come to something quite African, and quite special. I recommend it.
1. Go here to start.
2. Click "Les collections" in the left margin.
3. Click the green rectangle to the right of the "Insolite !" label.
4. Click each photo to appreciate the specialness of Africa
Geniet!
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 09:19:22 (UTC)
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Jane
That reminds me of a little controversy in the Cape vineyards recently... it was found that the way grapes were harvested in a particular region, a small endangered chameleon was included. There was an outcry, not so much as the wine having chameleon in it, but more rightly that the chameleon would vanish. I am not sure how this was resolved. But now, anytime I drink wine, I think, how do they make sure that there isn't anything else in the harvest in any wine from anywhere? Do you just swallow and not think about it?
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 08:41:34 (UTC)
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Some time in the second half of 1970"s the by now Zambia Breweries invested in a ploy to Zambianise the beers known as Castle and Lion. I think it came up in a general vote to call them Mosi (o tunya) and Mchinga. In the copperbelt Mchinga was not always available and everybody knows about the Mosi shortages, floaters, even toothbrushes and pieces of a wig have been reported, parafin smelling beer, after muchinga boys had used the empty bottels for selling parafin and usually with no label to tell you if it was indeed a Mosi.
Anyway, still the best Liquid Gold in the world!
greetings to the larkers and have plenty of them!
jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 06:34:51 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, this little gem was reputed to have come from the lips of what was the driest little comedian in the world now deceased George Burns.
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Do you know what it means to come home at night to a woman who'll give you a little love, a little affection, a little tenderness?
It means you're in the wrong house.
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Have a fun filled day Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 06:18:20 (UTC)
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Right you are Fiona
Go to the top of the class
You have earned your star
and go far you must
but not too far I trust
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 02:56:44 (UTC)
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Fiona,
A little stronger than that...
"...rape! murder! it's just a shot away! just a shot away!"
GIMME SHELTER, Let it Bleed which had to played loud whilst as stoned as they were making it.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 22:07:44 (UTC)
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It's just a shout away. Do I get another gold star?
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 20:32:07 (UTC)
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Doug
"It's just a link away, link away, link away!" (sung to which Rolling Stones hit?)...
You can find the words and mp3s of
La Katangaise , La Zaïroise, as well as the Debout Congolais on the Lubumbashi website. The Lubumbashi website is linked from our GNR.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 19:22:55 (UTC)
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Doug
I bet you can find a version of the anthem on the web. I noticed the same infatuation to so-called "beer" on this Congo ex-pat site as there is on the GNR website. There are lots of photos of Simba in all its evolutionary manifestations. There is also the grand tradition of Belgian "beer"-making... although, I doubt they carried the "trappist" and "wittebier" traditions on in Katanga --- the weather and ambience are not quite the same as sipping on a wittebier in a cosy pub in Belgium on a cold and snowy night!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 19:08:39 (UTC)
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Ron - Wow! For once I am at a loss for words!
Natal is often referred to as "The Last Outpost ( of the British Empire)" although timewise I guess Hong Kong would beat us.
Philip,
As for pouring a case of Castle into the Zambezi to appease Nyami Nyami I suggest we do this in the Irish customary way, after it has passed through us. Heather can organize us into teams so we can march to the river bank and deliver our offering in sequence.
Dawie,
Can you remember the Katanga national anthem. They used to sing it to a blare of bugles and a thump of drums, " Vive! Vive! Vive le Katanga. Tshombe! Tshombe! Tshombe aisa nomba! or something like that. I was usualy to full of Simba to listen properly.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 14:41:11 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
For those of you interested in maps and geography, Inchi-Yetu (find the link hereunder or on the links page of this GNR website) has this brilliant map of Katanga . I had almost forgotten about Albertville... picturesquely appointed along the western shores of Lake Tanganikya.
I have been perusing Inchi-Yetu most of this week... some amazing photo collections. The most interesting shot today was a large advertisement billboard promoting President Tchombe.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 11:13:42 (UTC)
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RON
It was Kipling. Do I get a gold star?
LARKERS
Got butterflies in my tummy now. Only 4 days to go! I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to being back in Zambia for the first time in nearly 38 years.
DOUG
Belated happy birthday to you. Will buy you a birthday drink in Livingstone
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 07:38:11 (UTC)
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Johnny ......... you're in dangerous waters...... but a real tonic! Keep up with the jokes, they make my day.
June.
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 07:01:51 (UTC)
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Seeing as it is Sat and not a lot of people seem to post over the weekend a little extra dose of smiles for us that are not going to the lark,
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Checking through Scotland Yards murder files it appears that no man has ever been shot while doing the washing up.
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Did you hear about the flasher that was thinking about retiring?
He decided to stick it out for one more year.
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Have a nice day Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 06:06:31 (UTC)
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Good morning campers a little smile for the men this morning, it sounds about right to me what say you buddies?
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After God had created man he stepped back and admired his work: "Look at this perfect physique, the strong but yet handsome features, the well balanced proportions, I have to say, I am in awe with myself."
Then he turned and looked at the woman. After he had been studying her for a while he said: "Well, I guess you will have to wear make-up.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 05:46:26 (UTC)
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Here's a Toast to Doug Grewar my friends
Who's done so many things
It's hard to find a word that's right
To fit to him today.
He's a Libran and a Dragon Too
Born in the second war to end all wars
Oh how little we have learned
of man's natural will to war
We must give thanks to Dawie C
and the other friends who strive
to keep us all on friendly terms
so the GNR may thrive
In the words of a famous balladeer
A poet through and through
Raise your tankards now with me
and drink to Doug Grewar
We've drunk to the Queen -- God bless her! --
We've drunk to our mothers' land;
We've drunk to our English brother
(But he does not understand);
We've drunk to the wide creation,
And the Cross swings low for the morn;
Last toast, and of obligation,
A health to the Native-born!
They change their skies above them,
But not their hearts that roam!
We learned from our wistful mothers
To call old England "home";
We read of the English skylark,
Of the spring in the English lanes,
But we screamed with the painted lories
As we rode on the dusty plains!
They passed with their old-world legends --
Their tales of wrong and dearth --
Our fathers held by purchase,
But we by the right of birth;
Our heart's where they rocked our cradle,
Our love where we spent our toil,
And our faith and our hope and our honour
We pledge to our native soil!
I charge you charge your glasses --
I charge you drink with me
To the men of the Four New Nations,
And the Islands of the Sea --
To the last least lump of coral
That none may stand outside,
And our own good pride shall teach us
To praise our comrade's pride!
To the hush of the breathless morning
On the thin, tin, crackling roofs,
To the haze of the burned back-ranges
And the dust of the shoeless hoofs --
To the risk of a death by drowning,
To the risk of a death by drouth --
To the men of a million acres,
To the Sons of the Golden South!
To the Sons of the Golden South (Stand up!),
And the life we live and know,
Let a fellow sing o' the little things he cares about,
If a fellow fights for the little things he cares about
With the weight of a single blow!
To the smoke of a hundred coasters,
To the sheep on a thousand hills,
To the sun that never blisters,
To the rain that never chills --
To the land of the waiting spring-time,
To our five-meal, meat-fed men,
To the tall, deep-bosomed women,
And the children nine and ten!
And the children nine and ten (Stand up!),
And the life we live and know,
Let a fellow sing o' the little things he cares about,
If a fellow fights for the little things he cares about
With the weight of a two-fold blow!
To the far-flung fenceless prairie
Where the quick cloud-shadows trail,
To our neighbour's barn in the offing
And the line of the new-cut rail;
To the plough in her league-long furrow
With the gray Lake gulls behind --
To the weight of a half-year's winter
And the warm wet western wind!
To the home of the floods and thunder,
To her pale dry healing blue --
To the lift of the great Cape combers,
And the smell of the baked Karroo.
To the growl of the sluicing stamp-head --
To the reef and the water-gold,
To the last and the largest Empire,
To the map that is half unrolled!
To our dear dark foster-mothers,
To the heathen songs they sung --
To the heathen speech we babbled
Ere we came to the white man's tongue.
To the cool of our deep verandas --
To the blaze of our jewelled main,
To the night, to the palms in the moonlight,
And the fire-fly in the cane!
To the hearth of our people's people --
To her well-ploughed windy sea,
To the hush of our dread high-altar
Where The Abbey makes us We;
To the grist of the slow-ground ages,
To the gain that is yours and mine --
To the Bank of the Open Credit,
To the Power-house of the Line!
We've drunk to the Queen -- God bless her! --
We've drunk to our mothers' land;
We've drunk to our English brother
(And we hope he'll understand).
We've drunk as much as we're able,
And the Cross swings low for the morn;
Last toast -- and your foot on the table! --
A health to the Native-born!
A health to the Native-born (Stand up!),
We're six white men arow,
All bound to sing o' the little things we care about,
All bound to fight for the little things we care about
With the weight of a six-fold blow!
By the might of our cable-tow (Take hands!),
From the Orkneys to the Horn,
All round the world (and a little loop to pull it by),
All round the world (and a little strap to buckle it),
A health to the Native-born!
Can anyone tell me Who wrote this?
Is it written by Andrew Barton [Banjo] Patterson, Robert Service. or
Ruddy Kipling ???
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 02:51:07 (UTC)
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Doug
It's a fab and groovy site, for sure! What is amazing about Katanga is how much is resembles the Copperbelt and neighbouring districts of Zambia. It is essentially the same country. Even Bemba is a major language there. What is sad, is how little we pay attention to this fact. Insularity. Ignorance of the world is arrogance.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website.
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 20:33:29 (UTC)
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Heather
the front page of the Natal Mercuary had the the whole story of the Kazangula disaster, very sad.
NYAMIMYAMI must be " P,d " off and I suggest that you get down to the Vic. Falls Bridge and pay homage to the Guy. ( I think a case of Castle emptied into the river should please him ) Unless you want to sacrifice yourself to make sure that all goes well with the Lark! (Send me the Bill For the Castle )
strong>Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 19:17:48 (UTC)
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Dawie
That's a terrific site. It will certainly take time to browze through. I had a look at the Fungarumi section as I nearly went there to build houses in the early 70's I think it was. The green rock outcrops are striking.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 19:05:31 (UTC)
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Thank you my friends old and new for the birthday greetings! Gill if they give me birthday bumps it will take the whole weekend.
This year has gone realy fast. I cannot believe it is less than a week to the lark. I am already packing my bags and hoping I haven't forgotten anything.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 18:55:55 (UTC)
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Greetings to all.
You may recall about a year back or maybe more, I asked for ideas from this board, on how to donate a legacy from my late father's estate locked in Zimbabwe. As you may know, there are strict rules regarding what can be done with money held in a bank over there. Basically, you can only spend it in the country so I asked for ideas and someone suggested a charity World Vision. As it happens, I am currently out of work (as an IT professional for which there is no demand) and as last year I am helping with their christmas campaign but also donated the funds held in Harare to that same charity which seems to be doing good work and using the money wisely.
To cut to the chase, the total balance was around $25,000, which sounds a lot, but letter postage to the UK costs $500!
Now, the real question is this: what does it cost for a sack of maize flour for example? How far will this money go I wonder?
Any information would be most welcome.
Thank you.
Ian Game
Ian Game [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 18:44:25 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
I found this convenient little slide montage of photos from Elisabethville on the Inchi Yetu site which is linked on our GNR. Press the Play-Stop button to play and stop the slide show.
Elisabethville certainly was glamourous. Notice all the American motorcars. What is interesting is the stately character of the city, and it was not even the capital! My, how quaint we must have seemed to them!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 17:47:58 (UTC)
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Dear Douglet
Happy belated birthday you young pup. Must admit I am quite worried about you - this GNR rabble who will be attending the party (mutter, mutter, ssfrrf iiiiidfdfdf!!) are quite a lively lot, any excuse for a good bucket of drink, might methinks decide to grant you belated Birthday Bumps. A word of caution here, tell them not to close to the "edge".
To all the Larkers, sod off, I hate you, the whole lot of you. Whoops, did I say that - must be my feminine, bitchy side coming out, I wonder why?
All I can say is enjoy, we want tonnes of piccies and think of us poor sods you left behind! Whoops, slipped again - seriously, you are taking my heart with you as Vic Falls is, and always will be, the most beautiful place on God's earth for me.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 17:42:50 (UTC)
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Well i too forgot your Birthday for the lass happy happy and have a great time there in Zambia. Hey if you can Go up to where I first met you (Kalalushi) . At the Club where your Dad worked have a Castle for me on YOU Ha.
Chris Drake
Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 15:52:54 (UTC)
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Good afternoon campers a little late in the day but never to late to smile, a belated Happy Birthday to Dougie, and to all the larkers give it hell, sorry I can't mke it.
>This blonde decides one day that she is sick and tired of all these blonde jokes and how all blondes are perceived as stupid, so she decides to show her husband that blondes really are smart. While her husband is off at work, she decides that she is going to paint a couple of rooms in the house. The next day, right after her husband leaves for work, she gets down to the task at hand.
> >Her husband arrives home at 5:30 and smells the distinctive smell of paint. He walks into the living room and finds his wife lying on the floor in a pool of sweat. He notices that she is wearing a parka and a leather jacket at the same time.
> >He goes over and asks her if she is ok.
> >She replies yes.
> >He asks what she is doing.
> >She replies that she wanted to prove to him that not all blonde women are dumb, and she wanted to do it by painting the house.
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> >He then asks her why she has a parka over her leather jacket. She replies that she was reading the directions on the paint can and it said......... (I love this) ......
> >"FOR BEST RESULTS, PUT ON TWO COATS" .
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 15:01:39 (UTC)
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Happy Belated Birthday, Doug. Sorry I missed it on the day, but my husband had to replace a network card in my PC and now it is a good as new. Wish it was that easy to upgrade humans...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 11:13:22 (UTC)
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Doug,
Happy Birthday for yesterday - you share your birthday with my husband, but he's a 1954 Model!
Love, Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 11:02:28 (UTC)
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Deanna Needham, Ceri Evans
Best Wishes on your Birthday
I have just received news that Harry O'Connor passed away yesterday in Harare. Harry was an accountant who worked for Lonrho for many years.
LARKERS DRIVING UP FROM SA
Good news. The second pontoon at Kasungula is operational as of this morning so one assumes that they have been able to move the other one or have sorted out the other ramps. So panic now over and you should be able to proceed as originally planned.
MEG RYBICKI
Will pass on your message to my parents who are due back from SA today (also via Kasungula). And give me a chance - I'll find Gerhard for you (if he ever existed)
BOB GILLIES
I've also been writing a poem - about the people coming to the Lark, but got stuck after doing Arthur, Craig and Doug Grewar. Then I got sidetracked writing about some of the people who are not coming to the Lark (Peter Dielissen watch out) Hopefully I'll get it finished this weekend and then I will share it with you.
PHILIP PAIN
Ssssh ... don't remind them about Nyaminyami otherwise Arthur and Craig will be too frightened to visit Kariba. I've purposely kept quiet about him.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 06:39:16 (UTC)
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All Livingstone Larkers
Beware of Nyaminyami
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 05:03:29 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Doug
Your birthday song " Eighteen till I die"
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Friday, September 19, 2003 at 04:44:01 (UTC)
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Hello all,
I may have discovered relatives of Cecil Rhodes, its a small world. I'll keep everyone posted of new developments.
Yunus Badat [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 21:02:40 (UTC)
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Hi one and all, sorry for loss of contact, hope everyone has a wonderful time at the Livingstone Lark, wish that we were joining everyone.
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newport South Wales, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 19:34:11 (UTC)
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There'll soon be this Livingstone Lark
Please don't keep us all in the dark
You guys must have fun,
Drink beer, enjoy sun,
And everyone please leave their mark!
Heather has done so much work,
I wish I could take up this perk,
It sure will be kwaai
To meet mates at the braai,
I'm missing,I feel quite a jerk.
It sound a fabulously organised do, and I hope I can plan for the next one, your organisation and communication with members is amazing
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 16:44:02 (UTC)
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PETER BROMWICH
Exactly (which as you might know is a favourite word of the Zambians). And I could give you a hundred more examples in Zambia where things have been recommended by counsultants and which have been unmitigated disasters. When I hear a study is being done, I turn around and walk away because I know it is an excellent excuse to put off doing something and that when the report comes in, the recommendations will eventually lead to another report on either the same thing or some component of it - just to keep the consultants in business (and usually the consultants from the country supposedly giving aid to the developing countries - another one of my pet hates - donors and aid money). Sorry, I should not be talking of this here, but consultants are one of my pet hates and combine that with overloading and you're sure to get me on a roll.
I can give you facts and figures on overloading statistics in this country too, as I have actually stood at weighbridges (Kafulafuta, Kapiri, Kafue, Livingstone, Mpika) and carried out the surveys - 60% of all trucks overloaded. But what was interesting was that they were mostly foreign registered - South African and Tanzanian. The truck responsible for the disaster yesterday was South African registered. I'm not for one minute saying that Zambian transporters are innocent, but on the whole, they do try to comply with axle and gross vehicle mass legislation.
Yes, the damage done to the foundation of the road rises exponentially as the axle weight increases. Then there is also the GVM which covers bridges and pontoons. The other dimension is that of tyre pressures which damages the tarmac surface.
It is not only the damage to the roads or a safety issue. The truck drivers find the trucks a lot more difficult to handle, they tire more easily and it affects their health eventually. Then the business side of it - vehicle maintenance increases but this is not usually noticed as the increases only come long after the overloading occured and of course, those operators who blatantly overload do so on all their trucks, so they do not have correctly loaded trucks to compare costs with. Then there is the issue of the operators who don't overload - they're going out of business because they can't compete with those that do.
But this is not the place to discuss all the technicalities of overloading so I promise I am going to stop IMMEDIATELY.
Dave Gray
I have checked - the bridge at Kasungula has not started - politics again, this time Zimbabwe creating a problem I understand. Historically, apart from the consultants causing the initial delays, there were additional problems because one of the supports of the bridge would have had to go onto Namibian territory and this was creating much havoc amongst the civil servants. Then there was the issue of financing - if Botswana borrowed the money, they would have to pay a much higher interest rate than if Zambia borrowed the money.
However I have just been told that the bridge over the Zambezi at Sesheke is almost complete or already completed.
We will talk further next week.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 13:23:52 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
This alarming story about lions appears on todays BBCi.
I had no idea as to the seriousness of the situation!
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 12:58:10 (UTC)
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Chris
Actually I was separately referring to the regular thunderstorms (not hurricanes) that we experience in Maryland. These are treated as major news events here. Of course, a hurricane is a news event everywhere.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 12:50:12 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar, David Vere
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Jislaaik, I just looked at the message I posted yesterday - full of errors! Sorry for that - it was the end of a busy day.
LARKERS DRIVING UP FROM SA
I have just been informed that a few weeks ago the second pontoon at Kasungula was operational (I thought it was not working at all). If this is the case, then there will not be any problems for you to cross, although there may be a bit of a delay. Having said that, private vehicles are not usually delayed - it is the trucks that backup. Private vehicles are usually waved on ahead of the trucks.
However, should it not be working (and I will keep checking on the situation):
Fuel is available at Kasane although they do from time to time run out but resupply is always within 24 hours.
The road through Zimbabwe is good tar.
Carbon tax in Zimbabwe is US$ 30.
Visas are US$ 55 but I'm not sure what multiple entry costs.
Insurance for Zimbabwe is Z$ 1600 which at the official rate is around US$ 30.
The other alternative if there is a problem at Kasungula is to go through Ngoma border post into Namibia and then through Wenela border post (at Katimo Mulilo), across the Zambezi at Sesheke (another pontoon) and then along to Livingstone. There is work being done on the road from Sesheke to Livingstone and I understand that most of the one side of the road is completed. You should not have any problems going into Namibia because it is part of the Southern African Customs Union. It will cost you R 90 for the cross-border permit which you pay at Katimo. The pontoon fee there is approx. US$ 5.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 11:53:17 (UTC)
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Leslie
Thank you very much for the kind words. John Walker is quite a character, a wealth of esoteric information. It was great fun working with him during my own long tenure at Autodesk during the earlier fun days of that incredible company. I encourage you and your daughter to explore the rest of his website. It is one of a kind! His recommended reading list is interesting and has a few books on South Africa and Zimbabwe included. I particularily like the pages under Humour (especially the Titanium Cranium awards in which he takes the piss out of AOL users, and also the Evil Empires bumper sticker). The incredible story of the rise of Autodesk is also on the site. I was lucky to have worked at the Company during the early years before it became just another Korporate Amerika giant. Autodesk was a place that encouraged individualism and was an exciting collection of eclectic characters that brought together a wealth of knowledge, enthusiasm and intellect that ended producing pretty amazingly sophisticated software. Newcomers were often taken aback by the nonconformity and alternative nature of the place. It was years before an organisation chart ever appeared! And meetings were always open to everyone in the Company and were frank forums charged with opinion and electricity! Walker, like me, fled the USA for Europe. He lives now in a pump factory in the Jura mountains of Switzerland. His wife is an Egyptologist.
It is interesting to see his impressions of Africa on his site. One day, I too, will have the pleasure of visiting Sterkfontein! Such an important palaeoanthropolgical site!
Walker's site is a hackers favourite.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 11:20:56 (UTC)
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Dave - thanks so much for your link to John Walker's site. My younger daughter had a quick look at it this morning. Two of her A level subjects are environmental science and photography so she was fascinated on both counts - as she was with your link a while ago to the organisation studying ocean pollution in California.
I'd like to say hello (and belated happy birthday) to Moira Fenwick in Dorking and to Chris Winton in Crawley. Nice to know I have GNR neighbours. Wow! Maybe we can have our own Surrey/Sussex reunion some time.
Terrible news about the pontoon sinking. I hope all the Livingstone Larkers arrive safe and well, without too many deviations, and have a great time. Like several other people I am sorry I couldn't come up with a lottery win but our thoughts will be with you all.
Lesley Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Horsham, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 09:35:43 (UTC)
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Thought I had better post the little I have managed to find out about us SA Larkers driving up to Llivingstone. and having to cross over into Zimbabwe.
Phoned the Zimbabwe Embassy here in JHB and the Zim Tourist Board and must just add "I am now confused". The Tourst Board are not really sure of what the cost of anything is, they tell me the visa for British passort is US $55.00 single entry, multiple entry "not sure", but could be US $10.00 more.They do not know how much the motor insurance is and they think that the Carbon Emission Tax is R100.00, but once again "not sure".
Then phoned the Zim Embassy. They say multiple entry visa is R760.00 and for the insurance and the Carbon Emission tax about R300.00 should do it, and you can pay in Rands if you wish.
Hope this helps, I know Jill was also looking for the info on the carbon emission tax.
This trip is getting more and more like the "great trek" everyday, but we are looking forward to it very much.
Heather Knowles (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 09:35:31 (UTC)
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So Heather doesn’t like consultants? Let me try and put things in perspective from the point of view of the consultants.
Some years ago I had as patients a husband and wife team who were agricultural consultants for one of the international development agencies. I talked to them, and they mentioned that they had recently completed a project in Zambia. They had been asked to advise on fruit growing, and the upshot of their report was that it was not possible to grow fruit in Zambia, and that attempts so to do were wrong, and should be stopped. I protested, and said to them that we often had homemade apple pie in Lusaka with apples that my parents had grown in their suburban garden, and similarly we regularly served fresh fruit salad with upwards of ten fruits, all grown at home. I can’t remember them all, but amongst my favourites were things like boysenberries, blackberries, mulberries, plums, peaches, granadillas and guavas. They were offended by this, and told me that my parents were most immoral people. If ordinary folk in Zambia were doing things that international experts said were not possible, then it made the consultants look foolish, and this meant the government was less likely to trust them, with terrible consequences for the country.
So remember, children, the moral of this story. If you want to stay hungry and impoverished, then listen to the experts. If you want to know what actually can be done, then talk to the people who are doing it.
Coming back to reality, overloading is a problem the world over. Never mind the fact that people die from it, there is also the cost that we taxpayers shoulder. The damage to roads depends on the weight of the vehicle divided by the number of axles. I can’t remember the exact formula, doubtless someone who reads this does, but the damage to the road goes up by the square or the cube of the axle load. Thus, overloading to the point where the weight per axle is double what it should be damages the road four or eight times as much as does a normal load. In Britain the police in Kent police used to carry portable weighbridges, and on the first day they were in use something like half of all lorries were found to be overloaded. The lorry owners were fined, the money went to the government not to the people of Kent, and the programme stopped because the civil libertarians pointed out that people were being prevented from travelling on the roads without a court hearing. So Kentish roads continue to be damaged unnecessarily.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 08:50:32 (UTC)
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Chris
Build-up to the rainy season as you recall was out of this world. I recall that the morning would be clear then on the horizon the blue sky would turn black and in a very short space of time it would be pitch black overhead. The air was very still and heavy but not a drop of rain would fall. Those who had electric lights in the house would turn them on as it was almost as dark as night. Then the fork lightning would split from the low hanging, thunderous, overbearing, mass of black clouds. Some of the cracks of thunder I found painful to the ear and on occasion you could smell the 'Brimstone' of the lightning. Any pets would be in the house in a dark corner or under the bed. If not experienced, it is a true wonder of this world of ours.
But, there is always a but; It did not prepare me for Hurricane Andrew. I was working on the extension to the Power Station at Clifton Pier on Nassar Island, the Bahamas. I sat through the hurricane as it passed over and through and it is the noise of the wind which is most vived in my memory. On the island there are trees planted very long ago and they are referred to as iron trees. Seems that if a car hits into one the car is a mangled wreck but it is very difficult to see any damage to the tree. Andrew simply snapped large branches off and in the clearing of roads afterwards the chain saws used to cut large brances so that they could be moved were smoking and screeching. It took a few days to tidy up afterwards.
To experience the start to the rainy season in Zambia I'd recommend but keep away from hurricanes, control is out of your hands! It will do what it will do!!
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 08:32:19 (UTC)
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Larkers going by road
There is plenty of fuel at Kasane and the road to Victoria falls is excellent - 71 kms long. Only problem is carbon emission tax and visas for British passports - I wonder if they do a cheaper day visa via Kazangula border post? Brian Townswend told me that he has heard that one has to pay R500 'transit' fee as well, trying to find out more.
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 06:35:18 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
John Walker, founder of Autodesk, has a very interesting photo taken in Zambia of the eclipse. Go here to see.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 05:54:07 (UTC)
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Krishna ponders:
Growing up in Zambia I did not think much of the thunderstorms we experienced during the rainy season, but here it seems that every one is treated as a major event, with extensive news coverage. Maybe because the population density is higher and there are so many trees in the area leading to downed power lines.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the population density. It has everything to do with a what was a Category 5 HURRICANE. We never had anything close to that in the old country.
Batton down your hatches old chap. And report back after you see what that "minor" category 1 or 2 storm can do to humans and their possessions. And good luck.
Serious question - In the late 60's, was Mosi available on the shelves? Was it brewed by Northern Breweries in Ndola? For the life of me, I cannot recall the brand.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 04:31:46 (UTC)
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Dedicated to the Livinstone Larkers and the Livingstone Lurkers & the GNR
The Vic Falls Rainbow Bridge
Just this side of the Caprivi Strip is a place called
The Vic Falls Rainbow Bridge.
Long after the parting of old friends who have been especially close, those friends travel to the Rainbow Bridge once more; some in person and some in spirit.
There are many familiar sounds, scents colourful scenes and watering holes for all those special friends so that they can down a Mosi, a Cold Castle or a Lion Lager whilst they "when-we" and be together.
There is plenty of food, beer, wine, water and sunshine, and everyone is warm and comfortable.
All who have been ill and have grown old feel restored to their youthful health and vigor, and feel strong again; all who go there feel a stateof well-being which they remember from long ago.
They are happy and content, and they have never forgotten the friends they loved and who loved them whom they left behind so many years ago.
They talk and drink together, and the time comes when each one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. Their eyes are intent, they are eager to
find a familiar face. Suddenly they break away from the group, hurrying as fast as their legs can go.
A long lost friend has been spotted, and when these special friend finally meet, they cling together in joyous reunion, vowing never to be parted again.
Happy hugs and kisses are exchanged, handshakes are exchanged and many a hand slaps mamy a shoulder again and again.
You look once more into the face of a friend, so long absent from your life, but never absent from your heart.
Old frienships are rekindled, new friendships are made, and no matter that you must part once more, you all understand that bond you have made through
the GNR will remain inside you wherever you go......
Until that day ...........
You cross the Rainbow Bridge together................
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 04:18:34 (UTC)
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We have been having fantastically great weather here in Maryland over the past few days with blue skies, low humidity and very comfortable temperatures. I guess this is what is called the "Calm before the storm" since Hurricane Isabel is predicted to hit the Mid-Atlantic states tomorrow.
Growing up in Zambia I did not think much of the thunderstorms we experienced during the rainy season, but here it seems that every one is treated as a major event, with extensive news coverage. Maybe because the population density is higher and there are so many trees in the area leading to downed power lines.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 22:10:21 (UTC)
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I hope that the LL's travelling to Kitwe find time to go for a drink or two at DD's on Chiwala (Lincoln) Ave....
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 22:03:02 (UTC)
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To all going to the Livingstone Lark
Have a great time. Remember us who can't make it this time. I have turned a great shade of green thinking about you all! Be safe and keep well. Look forward to hearing about your adventures and seeing your photos.
Chris
Chris Winton (née Burton) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Crawley, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 19:56:05 (UTC)
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Livingstone Larkers
Envy just isn't a strong enough word! Sue and I would love to be there, but too much else to do, and can't do it all. Hope you all have a safe and fantastic fun time.
Livingstone Lurkers
The Livingstone Lurker is a sub-species that aspires to be a Livingstone Larker. Relegated to reading about the Livingstone Lark from a distance. Green in colour. Methinks there are many of us.....
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton Co Cork, Ireland
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 19:34:05 (UTC)
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To all the larkers going to Zambia,I envey you but I will be in N.Z visiting my family , ex Karoi in Zim, I believe there is a similar lark being held in Auckland,can somebody please advice me who to contact.I will be arriving in Auckland on the 29 Sept. Enjoy the lark. CHEERS OTTO.
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 15:44:23 (UTC)
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Tony Bruce, Jan Hill, Dawn Thomson
Best Wishes on your Birthday
DAVE GRAY
Please don't get me started on the issue of overloading!!! I have already been in touch with the CBRTA in SA about having the operator's licence withdrawn. I shall be writing an article in the next issue of the Lowdown (not really the place for it, but in the absence of any other magazines published in Zambia, I have to use whatever means I can) and I have spent much of the afternoon on the phone to the Ministry of Works and Supply and the Roads Department. Whether anything will happen remains to be seen and I must admit I am not confident - I have been extremely vocal about overloading for the last eleven or twelve years and all I seem to have achieved is that the weighbridge operators demand higher and higher bribes from the transporters and everyo9ne knows that if there is something to do with overloading, then they speak to me.
But we will have plenty of time to talk about it when you are here (Arthur and Craig can go to sleep on the way down to Livingstone and you and I can chat away).
I'm not 100% sure how far the new bridge is - I have not been down to Kasungula since late 1998 and nobody However, the bridge should have been built years ago. It was not built because the consultants (I have a very poor opinion of consultants) who carried out the 'studies' (there were two or three done) kept saying that it was not necessary because the traffic volumes were not high enough - they did not seem to understand that traffic grows enormously when the infrastructure is put in place and if the infrastructure is bad or inadequate, the traffic uses other routes. Our major concern was that our routes to the south were either thourgh Zimbabwe or Kasungula and we were asking way back in 1992 what would happen if things went awry in Zimbabwe and trucks could not pass through there.
We'll talk next week.
NORTHERNERS IN KITWE (AND THE REST OF THE COPPERBELT) AND LARKERS TRAVELLING TO KITWE
It has been decided that on Tuesday 30 September, we will all be getting together for a meal at the Mona Lisa Restaurant at about 7.30 pm. If you would like to join us, please let me know before next Wednesday so that I can book a table.
NORTHERNERS IN LUSAKA AND LARKERS TRAVELLING TO LUSAKA
I might also arrange a dinner in Lusaka on Friday 3 October (probably at the Marlin). >If you are interested, please let me know.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 15:02:20 (UTC)
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Heather
Your news of the pontoon disaster is tragic and I hope that the owner of the overloaded truck is held accountable. Overloading is a major problem here but at least we have instituted weigh bridges and fairly hefty fines for offenders. SA has just introduced the 'demerit' system where drivers accumulate demerit points for offences like overloading. This is unfair as the driver suffers and becomes unemployable due to eventual loss of his driving licence while his employer gets off with just paying the fine. I understand that tourist buses are being weighed as well!!!
There is a new incrementally launched concrete bridge currently under construction between Botswana and Zambia but I understand that it is only about half way across the Zambesi so far. Have you any idea when it will be opened?
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 13:52:59 (UTC)
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Heather and Larkers from South
Very sorry to hear about the sinking and loss of lives. It is always tragic when we hear of the overloading of ferries and resulting consequences.
Thank you, Heather, for always being the voice of the people. I admire and respect you for that.
People driving up from SA.. PLEASE be careful. At least one of you is my lifelong buddy. I don't need to say anymore. You know my feelings here. Hopefully the repairs will be done in time, but I know that your pioneering spirits will get you to the Lark, no matter what you have to do! Go get 'em!!
I wanted to add my best wishes to all of you going to the Lark, from all parts of the world. You are lucky and I am very excited for you all. Remember us as you get motherless on Mosi. We will be waiting for any news as the reunion progresses.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 12:54:37 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
I try to keep my postings relevent to African topics, however, when it comes to issues about computers and software which can affect the users of this website, I will post about that too. For example, I recently alerted users of this site about the MSBLAST.EXE.
For years I have complained about DOS and Windows. I was forced off a Sun UNIX platform by a migration to DOS and Windows during the last years of my 13 year tenure at Autodesk. I opposed the migration, and I was one of the last adamant Sun UNIX users at the Company. They had to pry the system out of my grasping fingers. There was blood, skin, and hair in my office afterwards, and I boycotted work for a week.
I believe the adoption of Windows as the standard platform was unfortunate, but the are historical reasons for this. Recently I migrated to a ibook computer because you could run a UNIX-based OS. However, the OS was constrained by the MacIntosh environment, in my opinion. I dumped that and returned to Windows.
I am very happy to read that Sun has launched a LINUX-based OS and desktop applications environment. Perhaps some of you might be interested in this as well. I will be watching this with huge and enthusiastic interest. The following text explains the new Sun product:
"In a move aimed squarely at Microsoft Corp., Sun Microsystems Inc. unveiled on Tuesday a suite of software for businesses that want to dump -- or just can't afford -- the Windows operating system on their companies' desktop computers.
The Sun Java Desktop system, which was formerly code-named Mad Hatter, runs on the open-source Linux operating system and includes a variety of programs that replace Microsoft's Internet browser, productivity suite and other parts of the Windows package.
In trading on the Nasdaq Stock Market, Sun shares rose 18 cents, or more than 4 percent, to close at $4.04.
Sun officials say its system will cost as little as $50 per user per year and can be installed on any computer that can run Microsoft's Office 2000. The software also is designed to interoperate with Windows-based programs such as Exchange and Microsoft Office.
"We're talking about a radical savings -- more than 75 percent over just the comparable upgrade cost for Microsoft," said Larry Singer, Sun's senior vice president of global market strategies."
RIGHT ON SUN!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 12:52:01 (UTC)
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LARKERS WHO ARE DRIVING UP FROM JOHANNESBURG
I have just, in the space of ten minutes, received three phone calls to be told that the pontoon at Kasungula was sunk this morning as a result of an overloaded truck - plus/minus twenty people drowned, the truck and a couple of vehicles lost as well as its load of copper.
When the first person phoned me, I thought 'well that's nice - they're letting me know so that I can tell anyone who is coming up for the Lark' Like hell - when the second and third phone calls came in - I realised what it was - it was 'Heather, get on the phone to the Ministry' - I have long been an almost lone voice against overloading of trucks and corruption at our weighbridges.
The hidden cost of corruption.
However, overloading is not the issue right now. The issue is those who were intending to drive up to Livingstone. I cannot give you any indication of when the pontoon will be operating again but will keep you informed of what is going on once I can get better information and speak to the people whose responsibility it is.
I would however suggest that you start making arrangements (vehicle insurance is the only thing I can think of and their carbon tax that oyu have to pay) to go through Zimbabwe rather than across the pontoon should it not be operational by next week. There is no need to change your route and go through Beit Bridge - I would still go up to Kasane and you will be able to get the latest information there on the situation and if it is still not working, then cut across from there through to Vic Falls and on to Livingstone. I'll need to check, but am pretty certain there is fuel in Kasane and you will easily reach Livingstone from there -it's only about 75 kms to the border.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 12:20:28 (UTC)
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I am so envious of all the people lucky enough to be attending the Livingstone Lark but at the same time I am still amazed at how all this was started by one person. It put me in mind of the following verse:
Friends, you and me
You brought another friend
And then there were 3
We started our group
Our circle of friends
And like that circle
There is no beginning or end
Betty Mahady (née Horn) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 11:52:28 (UTC)
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Dear Meg Rybicki, I have copied from your earlier message the extract below,
Go well larkers, I was last in Zambia in l990, pregnant with my first baby, I so much want to go back!
I would remind you Meg that you can, if you want to, get pregnant in Ireland as well.
Regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 10:45:46 (UTC)
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Dear Chris
I had more than a "thing" for Chewy, I was completely and utterly besotted with the poor chap and am not surprised that you remembered, I was sure the whole of the Copperbelt knew how I felt and it mattered not that all the girls in Muf, Chingola, Ndola and Luanshya liked him too, because who could blame them!!!
Sue and Chris
Thanks for the kind thoughts on our "TRIP", only wish you could all be there, then it would really be a "Home coming to remember".
Love
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 08:25:53 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, I am a little short of the calibre of jokes that you are accustomed too and am afraid I have had to resort to a few of the latest country a western song titles to come out of Nashville recently,
Ain't No Trash In My Trailer Since The Night I Threw You Out
You Wanted To Get Hitched, But My Heart Is Filled With Whoa
Baked My Sweetie A Pie, But He Left With A Tart
I Lost My Honey Bunny On A Bad Hare Day
She Chews Tobacco, But She Didn't Choose Me
The Peach I Picked In Georgia Didn't Cling To Me For Long
Don't Want That Floozy In My Jacuzzi
I Found The Recipe For Heartbreak In A Cookbook On Your Shelf
Now That We're Miserable, I Hope You're Happy
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Have a nice day Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 05:49:47 (UTC)
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It's been a while since I last visited the board but it was pleasant to see my sister Sue hanging in there and I was inspired to read Viv and Lynthia's comments. Viv I always thought "pure nostalgia" was a blokey thing but your comments put that myth out the window. I know how you feel and it's great that you are heading back. Good luck to you and all the best to Heather , Grant and other extended family members.........I remember you had a thing for Chewy..........I know it's ok to tell you now but so did all the girls in Muf,Chingola, Ndola and Luanshya
Regards
Chris Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 03:01:34 (UTC)
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Go well larkers, I was last in Zambia in l990, pregant with my first baby, I so much want to go back! My mom sends best wishes Heather, to your folks, she is in Capetown right now, so my sense of injustice is heightened! Have the best time, tell us all about it, (which is wonderful incentive to try and get there for the next one), and did anyone ever find Gerhard for me. Bottle of bubbly for whoever solves the mystery!
HAVE A GREAT TIME.
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 21:07:15 (UTC)
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Dear Viv and Lynthia
You brought a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat. I am sure that all your men will be looking after you. Your Dear Old Dad will just smile in his quiet way, Terry will stand with his feet firmly planted - ready - and Graham... well, he was like your Dad, hey...
Enjoy your trip home. Those of us who can't be there, will be thinking of you all.
Safe journey and enjoy the craic
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 17:17:17 (UTC)
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To all Larkers (and David Russel)
Mosi Lager has always been the best beer for all the local people. It was only when some of the infiltrators from that country south of the Limpopo arrived in our dear land that all of a sudden beers like Ohlsens, Lion and Castle came into the Country. And then SAB took over our beer production. Thank god they kept the Mosi going. They still produce Castle as well, and all you Larkers who decend on Livingstone will be able to enjoy both brews in the draught form. After 35 years of participating in'Mothers Milk' or the delicious 'Amber Necter' or as we all know it 'Liquid Gold' I, and a lot of my paticipating colegues think it is the best!!!!!
Best regards
Brian
Brian Rowlands [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Riverside, Kitwe, Zambia
Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 16:57:42 (UTC)
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Well this is the start of the "Eldridge Girls" trek up the Great North Road and as we were asked to share it with those of you who could not make it, I thought I would post this message from Lynthia and my reply to her as the preparations are as much a part of the enjoyment as the trip.
Original Message
From: Lynthia [mailto:nadauldl@drd.co.za]
Sent: 16 September 2003 09:05
To: VIVIENNE BUITENDAG
Subject: WORRY POT
Dear Viv
We went out to dinner with the boys last night and I was talking to them about the Eldridge Girls' return 'home'. Needless to say, they think you have totally lost it and Derrian in particular was doing a song and dance about all the things that may go wrong. He and Shehady raised the issue of taking your car through two border posts (?) and the documentation that you have to carry with you in order to do that. Pat was sure you would have contacted the AA about that sort of thing but equally needless to say, I fell asleep worrying about your trip. Ordinarily, I would have felt a bit foolish this morning and not mentioned anything but I dreamt of all the Eldridge men last night (Dadda, your dad and mine, Graham and Terence). I don't remember much about the dream but they seemed to be having a family conference of sorts so it kind of started me worrying again. Please just check out what's needed with regard to the car - not only about the mechanical side of things but what documents you must take with.
Will talk to you soon.
Love
L.
Dearest Lynthia-Beth
I knew that you and all the family would worry about us and I love you all, all the more for it, but if you could only feel the wonderful excitement I feel every time I think of this trip you would know that there is nothing anyone could say or do to make me worry about the logistics.
We have had the car serviced, with a new cam belt fitted and new disc pads and brakes (we are going in Grant's car as it is only a few years old compared to my "12 year old") and Heather is working on all the paperwork needed for the boarder posts. We have spoken to a lot of people who have travelled the Botswana route and we know the ins and outs. The best part is that we have to watch out for elephants the closer we get to Kasangula and of course the ferry trip across the "Mighty Zambezi" will also be something to look forward to in a scary sort of way!
I think the "Eldridge Men" were having a get together to say that its about time the "Eldridge Girls" are going HOME (and I hope that they will be accompanying us all the way there and back). I am sure that in that country I love above all others I will at last be able to feel the presence of those men I have loved so much and missed for so long!
Don't worry, just know that I haven't been this happy or excited since those "Heady" days in the 60's, I don't even think Chewy made me feel this way!!!
Love
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa
Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 11:28:16 (UTC)
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I was too young to remember much about beer in Northern Rhodesia / Zambia. I was surprised in 1993 to find myself drinking Mosi in Livingstone having walked over the Falls Bridge where i was drinking Pilsener and Zambezi amongst other Zim brews. Was Mosi always the local drop or were Lion and Castle the colonial drop? Perhaps the Livingstone Larkers can help the lurkers and answer this one? Alternatively a local Mosi consumer such as Tiny Rowlands may be able to cast amber light on this for me.
David Russell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 08:48:30 (UTC)
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To All the Larkers,
Have the BEST TIME EVER! You go with our blessings (and a lot of envy) for a safe and happy trip.
Arthur, Good Luck with your fishing!
Heather, take a well deserved bow.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 06:12:36 (UTC)
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Elias,
I remember Jonny...was Peter Richardson in South Africa then? Is he still there? What was his family business. Didn't he have a sister as well.
Do you remember Pat Christie by the way? Johnny Smilie?
I remember Miles Welsh, yes i do tho not much about him.
I would like to contact Ernest or Mark, also Peter if you have any addresses for them.
My site is ...haha just another preacher. Never mind if you dont understand Elias.
It appears that Peter Bromwich rmemebers you I am not sure that Tony Lamont does. Peter is in Spain, Tony in Brisbane, Ausiie.
I have brother in USA as well.
Philip Dacre [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 22:23:13 (UTC)
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HARTLEY
Sorry - what I should have said was that when you come into the country you are not going to have to go via a little desk with a little official asking to see your vaccination certificate.
However, I certainly agree that for those coming from outside, you should have the vaccinations mentioned with the possible exception of Yellow Fever because I don't think any of you are going to go anywhere near any of the areas where it occurs (mostly along our border with Angola and the border with DR Congo up north near Nchelenge)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 16:06:59 (UTC)
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Heather
Inoculations
The story that we are getting from this end seems to be slightly different. We are told that we should have Typhoid, Hepatitis A, Tetanus, Diphtheria and Yellow Fever.
This seems to be the standard if you are going anywhere near Africa but I don't know if it is a requirement or recommendation. We were told the same for Kenya and Tanzania.
Since we left Africa, in 1978, we have just kept our inoculations up to date but have never once been asked to show a certificate.
The only time I can remember us having a problem was in 1977 when Sue had to be inoculated against Yellow Fever as we stopped off in Kenya on our way to the UK. If you had seen the way it was done you would get everything done, without question, before hand.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 14:10:12 (UTC)
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Margie Martin, John Higgs, Roy Thrall
Best Wishes on your Birthday
DOUG, CRAIG
No innoculations are required to enter Zambia.
As regards travelling to other countries in the region - the only place I have ever been asked to show my certificate is Tanzania and even then they don't always ask. My travels in the region have been to SA, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia, Mozambique, Malawi, Lesotho, Swaziland, Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda, which only leaves Angola and DR Congo. You're not intending to visit there are you?
Outside the Southern African region, I have also never been asked to produce my certificate except when visiting UK, Nederland, Germany, France, Finland, Switzerland, Austria and USA. I can't say about Canada and Australia.
LINDA
Arthur and Craig have already been told that they each have to write an article for the Lowdown on their trip. But I like the idea - if each persons keeps a journal of sorts we could come up with some really good stories.
Before next Thursday, I will give you a phone number at which we can be contacted (my service provider doesn't have coverage in L'stone, so I am sorting out another phone for the weekend but don't have the number yet). Then all I need to do is remember to take the phone with me.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 13:38:11 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, Here is your smile for this morning at the expense of blondes again,
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Why did the blonde have tire tread marks on her back?
From *crawling* across the street when the sign said
"DON'T WALK."
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Have a nice Monday Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 07:44:02 (UTC)
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Morning all,
Re- the Livingstone Lark, Jealousy doesnt come into it, I have many many feelings about not being able to go. If I sit and think deeply about it I can bring myself to tears, What a chance in a life time you lucky people who are going, I am sure we will all be thinking about you. ENJOY, ENJOY.
Regards barribee.
Barrie Braidford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 07:34:00 (UTC)
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Bob,
Thanks for the advice. I hadn't thought about the possible consequences on returning to Canada. :) Where would they deport me to?
I will get it anyway. No harm in doing it, except the loss of C$80.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 07:25:16 (UTC)
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Have a wonderful time on the Lark everybody - I too, am green with envy. Looking forward to hearing all about it, and seeing the photos on your return.
Take care.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 07:07:14 (UTC)
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Hi all
Tinker, Bob, Chandru, Brasso, Linda, Bridget, Denise, Marilyn and all the rest of you who can't make Livingstone. Please get your photo's to Heather.
Margaret and Steve,
I know why you have arrived so early! You are the only people who know exactly where the Tongaloo patch is on the golf course road and you are after the bottle of Brandy which Doug has offered as a reward. (I hope it is good old 25 year stuff)
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 04:42:17 (UTC)
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I must be from Mars as I think I am turning green. All you guys traveling to Zambia, have a great time. At the Falls have a Castle for me.
If any one gets to Kitwe in Coranation Square salute the town for me. Thats where I had the best time of my life in Kitwe. Look down the main street and shed a tear for me. Thanks.
Chris Drake
Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 03:55:46 (UTC)
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Dear Craig:
My advice-get the yellow fever injection.
Otherwise Canada may not let you back in through quarantine-I don't think Australia would.
My daughter Linda and I certainly had the shot before visiting Zim/Zam 3 years ago.
And get it now-now! Time is running out.
Wish I could be at the Livingstone Lark with you all- but work circumstances prevent me.
Cheers- all you lucky dogs that are going.
Have a Mosi for me and Linda.
Bob A.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 01:05:42 (UTC)
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Best wishes to all those attending the Livingstone Lark and I am sad that I cannot be there. Although Zambia has probably changed in many aspects since I was last there, I am sure that it remains the same in the important ones such as the friendliness of its people and the beauty of the country. I look forward very much to reading about your travel experiences.
Cheers
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Monday, September 15, 2003 at 00:12:00 (UTC)
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Livingstone Larkers!!!!
To all those preparing to depart and those that have already arrived for the "great event" - have a wonderful time and be safe! How I (& the kids) wish we could be joining U all. Safe journeys one and all and parrrtay till the wonderful Zambian sunrise rears it magnificent coppery dawn dome!
Heather - go to it babe! Hope all your hard work is a fantastic reward for U as I am sure U deserve it!
Fiona G, Des, Craig and many others - have a great time and I am sure wonderful memories or dreams are now your reality come true. Enjoy!!!!
Sarkyarthur - don't fish the rivers out of stocks. Spare some fish for others to follow. Have a wonderful time.
I can just imagine the sights, sounds and smells of a pure unpolluted and wild real Africa called Zambia.
Happy reunion to all and safe journeys back home after the event.
Brasso!!!!!
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 21:32:04 (UTC)
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To Artie and The Others:
How about keeping a journal of your thoughts and feelings as you visit Zambia again after so many years. It would be lovely for the rest of us to read as you go along? Not necessarily a day by day posting on the GNR, because you will obviously be too busy enjoying yourselves, but possibly something that we could read all at one time as a link when you get back. Perhaps you could jot something down as you go along and then put it into a short story at the end of the trip. Although we cannot make the trip with you, I do believe that we have enough good writers and story tellers for the journey to come alive anyway. Just a thought...
Who has the phone number we can call while you are all feasting on Zambian grown beef and drinking beer? At least give us the chance to call and give you guys a hard time. He! He!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 21:31:03 (UTC)
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Hi, thought I would just say "hi". I have just taken my eldest son back to Uni for his fourth and final year. My "little girl" is 16 on Tuesday, and my husband has been visiting his folks with the 5 year old and 2 year old for the weekend - so things have been very quiet and a bit depressing!
I'm having major building work carried out on my house - the builders have been on sight 11 weeks so far - and I've had my mother living with me for several weeks after a bout of pneumonia landed her in hospital for 8 days! Am I feeling sorry for myself? - You bet!!!
Still, Johnny keeps me smiling and the excitement about the Livingstone Lark is infectious - wish I was going! It is good to log on and catch up with fellow Zambians though, thanks for being there, so thought I would just say "hi"!
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 20:44:39 (UTC)
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Yellow Fever
I should add that I am not planning to go to the yellow-fever area in western Zambia, but how does one prove one did not go somewhere in the country from which one is arriving?
Any thoughts from the more seasoned southern African travellers?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 19:51:07 (UTC)
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Fiona and Doug,
I am planning (any day now) to get a yellow fever vaccination. I am more concerned about the places I plan to go after Zambia, and whether they require one to have had the vaccination if you are coming from Zambia. Since, as I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago, western Zambia is considered a yellow-fever area, I don't want to take the chance of being turned away at my other destinations (namely South Africa and Zimbabwe).
Any thoughts?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 19:48:04 (UTC)
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Hi Doug
No you don't need a yellow fever vaccination. I wasted £32 last week having one, only to discover from the School of Tropical Medicine that you don't need one for Zambia now
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 19:15:45 (UTC)
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Heather
Somebody mentioned yellow fever innoculations. Are these required to enter Zambia?
Cheers- Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 17:17:41 (UTC)
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Dawie and Everyone
Yes - I too watched the program on Sky - 'Hippos of the Zambezi' - fan-bloody-tastic!
The best thing about the whole programe (apart from the technical excellence) was, as you said Dawie, the representation of Zambia as a progressive, modern country particularly with regard to their local schooling. I loved it and it brought back so many memories... the footage was amazingly shot, yes the voice was authentic too.
Finally, I feel I need to mention the Australian ethnographically-aware production connections.
The program is being repeated on National Geographic at 4pm for those who missed it.
Cheers
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 13:42:32 (UTC)
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Jo! Brian
You make me feel that I have been exploring deepest darkets Africa on a survival course or are you referring to the jolly nights spent at the Polo Club. Thanks for 'bailing' me out. The Lake Lure was of course the official magazine for the ZNFC, printed by the late Henry Smith, Screenprint. I do hope however that Filli has restocked his possie in Mchiya and/or given a handsome reward to the Chief for having somany fishermen and boats in his back yard so to speak. I do look forward to going back to Zambia, and now that Reggie has allowed since last year (!) to have a ladies team I am keen to show you guys what it is all about. As Johhny so kindly remarked we do not need to get a mermaid. Just a good catch! (preferably tall handsome and very (not kwacha) rich!)
Today's progress with the fishing was disappointing, only one small tuna and one bonito, but I will keep practicing. Love to all,
Jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 12:23:52 (UTC)
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Brain Walden, hilton Williams, Norman Grantham
Best Wishes on your Birthday
DAWIE
The National Geographic that we get here is from Nederland and I watched the same programme and wondered if you were also watching. Unfortunately I was busy doing something else and only switched on halfway through the programme and only because I decided to do one of those men things - sit there jumping from channel to channel to see what was on.
BETH
Please don't remind me - that's what I hate about this place - no anonymity.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 12:16:19 (UTC)
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After twenty seven hours plus of travel Steve,Art, Kathie and I are here in Zambia, thirty seven years seem to have melted away like magic. Heather met us, has given us directions, maps, helped us with the bank machine, the book store, the cell phone, grocery shopping - Art has negotiated the traffic on the 'other side' of the road, we are now sitting in Heather's office so we have officially arrived.
Margaret de Lange in Lusaka
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 11:54:56 (UTC)
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To all those lucky people going to the Livingstone Lark.
It goes without saying that you will have the most incredible time, it will stir up the heart strings in a big way, renewing the feelings that Zambia was definitely the best place to live in.
It is nearly three years since we went back and it is still all so vivid, the bush, the falls, just everything. Wish we could be there.
Have a great time, we do envy you.
Denise
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 10:07:07 (UTC)
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Chibaku/Gill
I was caught twice to wave the piccaniny flag on the stick. First time was a Union Jack on my first year at school when the Queen Mother visited BROKEN HILL!!!
The second time I was a boarder at Gilbert Rennie and ten of us had wone the right to line the airport road represnting the school along with other schools this time with a Zambian Flag. (Funny how it was those of us who had the most Demerits where chosen and to rub it in, our afternoon spent standing in the summer sun dressed in charcoal trousers, white lonsleeve shirt, school tie, red jacket and boater with a school colours ribbon fastened around the lower part of the crown, did not count in cancilling out any demerits.) Seems the only way to knock off the easily earnt demerits was one for one with any rare credits or one stroke of the cane removed six demerits or it may have been four, time has dimmed the mind but not the memory!
First time, we got a day off school, second time, it was in our own time!
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 04:52:01 (UTC)
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Dear Chris - Ada Thanks buddies for the thoughts but we still have Weds left and If we come up we will charter our own plane into Livingstone So Nil Desperandum Regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 21:09:42 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
On National Georgraphic Nederland, I am watching a brilliant emission on Hippos of The Zambesi. The footage is coming mostly, so far from the Lower Zambesi National Park, although there have been pieces showing the upper Zambesi (in Barotseland and at the source of the river).
It is good to hear the narrator has a southern African accent, and that Zambia is put in good light, as he says: Zambia is the real Africa!
I am enthralled!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 20:29:31 (UTC)
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Daer Pteer:
You are abosutley coercrt. The olny wrod I had prboemls rdaenig was yuor nmae.
Lndia
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 20:18:40 (UTC)
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Johnny
Sorry Mate this was the last chance on the lottery if we had come up we were going together ! all the best
Chris & Ada
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 20:05:09 (UTC)
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Vrey Intreseting...............
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae
we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 18:08:31 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
Spent the day at the Getaway Show - WOW!!! was ZAMBIA there in full force. What a lot "our" beautiful country has to offer! Bought my Citronella spray (with sun screen nogal and soap, so am all ready for the Lark!!! Heather - EVERYONE knows you!!!!!!!
For those of you who aren't getting to the Lark - you just have to plan a holiday "home" in the not too distant future.
All you Johannesburgers - it's well worth the visit, Nottingham Breweries are there - (Tiddly Toad etc) should you get a little thirsty.
A big thank you to my nephew, Danny, for getting me back up and running once again on the GNR web site - Has just achieved his NAUI instructers diving certificate our here and is going back to York on Friday - (want to learn how to dive - give me a shout.)
Sounds like we're in for a good Highveld storm, so must put the computer off.
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 16:24:43 (UTC)
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Ray Saunders
Best Wishes on your Birthday
PETER D
Yes, only sexy senior citizens send poems so you have now been slotted into that category as well.
But Johnny has to remain in the dirty old man category and you would agree with me if you saw some of the poetry he sends me. But I do loooove dirty old men (and sexy senior citizens as well).
HANS KUNZLE
If you send me a poem too, I'll be able to categorise you as well. And if this is what it takes to make people post instead of lurking, I'll get out the whips and high heels as well.
LIVINGSTONE LARK
Tomorrow morning at 6 am I shall be at Lusaka Airport to meet the first of the Larkers, Steve and Margaret de Lange, their son, Arthur, and daughter in law, Kathy.
And Peter and Paddy Greenhalgh are already in South Africa on the first leg of their journey to Livingstone.
This morning I spent a few hours checking and double checking that everything is in order regarding bookings, lifts to and from Lusaka, menus, medical insurance and a hundred other things. They are starting to come together; slowly.
But there is still time for stragglers.
On Tuesday, I shall be making the payment for the dinner on the African Queen, so if you are still thinking, please think quickly.
On Friday, I shall be finalising the temporary medical insurance for everyone and after that I will be putting my October magazine together at which time I will have to call a halt to new bookings although I will be able to add people onto the list for the braai, but will not have the time to sort out accommodation, car hire etc and neither will I be able to get additional bookings on the African Queen
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 14:07:59 (UTC)
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Chandru
Your message made me laugh out loud, so naughty but soooo true............ Been there, done it and worn the T... Mufulira, Ross Avenue School, blue gingham uniform, flag in hand - I now have a total aversion to white handkerchiefs - cannot imagine why!
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 10:15:23 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, before I give you your daily fix can I just say A Very Happy Birthday to Moira and to remind her to send me my 10% if she is performing tonight in Dorking Your Loving agent Johnny.x
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One for the men for a change;
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A woman is standing
looking in the bedroom
mirror and says
to her husband.......
"I look horrible, fat & ugly,
pay me a compliment",
The husband replies
"Your eyesight is in perfect condition.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 09:57:22 (UTC)
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Moi Moo:
Happy Birthday, girl! You still look as young and vibrant as when we used to sit in the sunshine with our skirts hiked up to our thighs in the sunshine of the grounds of Kitwe Girls High School, trying to catch a tan and gagging while sipping away at that disgusting milk we had to drink by Government edict. Lots of memories, lots of history, and yet friendship endures. You are a super star and I wish you the very best! Do you suppose you can still draw those little Mary Quant faces with the long eyelashes that we used to draw while poor Ms. Doyle was trying to teach us about Australia and New Zealand in geography classes? If I had paid more attention in geography, perhaps I would have figured out that the plane I got onto in 1978 was headed for Texas instead of Kapiri Mposhi.. Ha! Ha!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 05:03:25 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOIRA......
LOTS WISHES AND LOVE FROM
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, September 13, 2003 at 04:29:45 (UTC)
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Moo Moo Moira!
Best wishes for a HAPPY BIRTHDAY. Hope U get lots of pressies and have a wonderful day. U still look good darling!
Huggies, kisses and best wishes - Brasso
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 22:57:58 (UTC)
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Cherise's arrival in Lusaka brought back memories of when heads of state would visit the capital, our school was located near the Great East Road between the airport and city and was told to send pupils to line the road and greet the visitor.
We would trudge up the path through the elephant grass and after reaching the road were given little paper flags representing Zambia and the visitor's country. Then we waited and waited, usually we had been called too early so we waited for many hours under the hot sun sitting on the grass. Occasionally a rumour would spread that the motorcade was coming and we would rush to the side of the road waving the flags, then go back and sit down when we realized that it was not true.
Finally the motorcade would arrive driving at a high rate of speed with motorcycle sirens wailing. Kenneth Kaunda would be in his Rolls Royce waving his trademark white handkerchief along with the visitor. Over the years we got to see glimpses of Queen Elizabeth (crowds were chanting "Queenie, Queenie" ), Nicolae Ceausescu (Romania), Kurt Waldheim (UN) and Indira Gandhi with a truck full of cameramen driving behind her filming the scene. Then it would all be over and we would go home
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 22:30:50 (UTC)
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Moira
Happy - Happy! Enjoy your pole-dancing party! Didn't realise you were a Virgo too!
The Lark attendees - have a great time but don't stand too close to the edge!
Hi to all the GNRers.
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 20:33:51 (UTC)
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Moira,
Happy birthday, but unfortunately I won't be in the area of Dorking tomorrow.
Elspeth,
Please contact me with the details of your problem.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 19:38:01 (UTC)
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Peter,
Ag, shame man. I don't have that sort of perq in my job. Please send me an application -- I like the ratio.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 19:34:35 (UTC)
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Thanks for birthday message - it really is great to reach 21 again!
Sorry long time no post - will try to do better.
If anyone is passing Dorking Golf Club tomorrow night -do drop in as having a bit of a pole dancing exhibition!
big mooooooooo to all.
moimoo
Moira Fenwick [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dorking, Surrey, England
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 18:36:33 (UTC)
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Moo moo,
You are only as old as you feel.
That makes you....?
Have a cold one.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 18:25:36 (UTC)
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Heather...
If you were a petal
Part of a red rose
You'd smell so sensual
It would tickle my nose...
Hans is ABSOLUTELY right!!!!
BTW - so what is wrong being with being a sexy senior citizen or for that matter a dirty old man????
It's been 57 years of hard work to get this far....
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 17:39:21 (UTC)
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Hi Northerners,I have just join the GNR org.Iam very pleased about it. I saw the picture of Kitwe with the post office in the back ground.The car on the right hand side looks like my car a 1961 or a1963 Ford Zephyr or Zodiac.I can not read the number plate.The colour is cream on topand green at the bottom. It is parked in front of Copperfilds Butchery my Dad used to work there.The Regent Cafe used to be between Copperfields and Standard Trading then Kollenbergs,Kitwe Stores and Economy Stores with Barclays Bank on the corner, on the opposite of the road was Gerry Lentin the jeweller with Holdsworths Chemist, Post office and the Nkana Hotel.In later years new shops opened in the road,such as Star Jewellers, Bennett Brothers Chemist and Hepworths mens outfitters. O.K Bazaars was built on the corner opposite the Astra Cinema.On Remembrance Day I was on duty at the Cenotaph in Coronation Square (Kaunda Square) during my Territorial Army days.Are there any other 3 Battalion members around, from 1956 (Heany days) to 1964?
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 17:11:33 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft
Your message to Peter Dielissen.
There are no dirty old men - only sexy senior citizens.
Hans Kunzle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Larnaca, Cyprus
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 16:20:10 (UTC)
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Moira Fenwick
Best Wishes on your Birthday
DAWIE
Unfortunately the place where the specimen was found is long since gone as it was part of the mine. I also do not have much information on the person who found it, Tom Zwiglaar, but I'm looking. Hopefully I will find something in our archives.
On the subject of fish, I have just managed to get some very nice Nile Perch from Lake Tanganyika. I might get some more for the Lark.
BRIAN ROWLANDS
So fishing is what is takes to make you post??
And why are you not coming to the Lark? By the way, we are having a dinner in Kitwe on the Tuesday after the Lark (29 September). I have yet to contact everyone to let them know and haven't decided where it is to be held yet. Will do that during the next week. But keep the date free. Plus we will be visiting you because Arthur either lived in the house that you live in or the one next door, so you'd better tidy things up for the photo session.
CHANDRU KRISHNA
Thankfully I was not on the same flight as Cherise - I would have thought they were cheering for me!! I thought nobody would miss me while I was away but I have been inunadated with phone calls today from people asking me whether I enjoyed my trip (they were probably just trying to find out what I was doing there though). And even my favourite street vendors came up to me at the traffic lights to say 'you have not been seen'.
PHILIP PAIN
I have your photo and will print it out and take it to Livingstone with me. And after the bash, we will post all the photos of the absentees on the message board.
BOB EGLINGTON
You just ignore what Johnny Green says about Broken Hill. Arthur will be stopping off there to do some more photos although I might have already exhausted all the tourist spots.
PETER DIELISSEN
Any more postings like that and I will have to put you in the same category as Johnny Green - the dirty old man category.
BETH LLOYD
Just bring the money with you. I didn't contact anyone as I was only passing through the airport and was there just long enough for them to forget to put my suitcase on the Lusaka flight. Then I got caught speeding on the way in from the airport today after collecting it! The joys of flying - trying to keep body and luggage together.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 15:54:28 (UTC)
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Hi there,
I'm getting a little frustrated - can someone help me? Although I can logon the GNR site to send a message - cannot click on the "contact" email to send a "private" message.
John Bourne - spoke with Jim Carmody on Wednesday - he's in Durban, living with his daughter. Have his email address and cell number - was delighted to hear that you were looking for him. Once I've mastered the art of clicking onto the "contact" to send you a message - will do so.
Heather - please email me your b. details re the booze cruise and thanks for telling me you were in town!! You know your beds always made!
Charlie - hope you're well on the way to recovery - will give you a ring later!
Sorry Wayne - lemons it is!!!! - but there's always next year!!!!!
Only 14 more sleeps!!!!!!!
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 14:41:13 (UTC)
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Sigh…..
I work at a Liberal Arts University where 2,400 of the 2,900 students are nubile maidens in the 18 – 23 year old range. I have to walk around all day with my gut sucked in….
Not only do they walk around half naked but today a whole bunch are wearing white t-shirts and inviting guys to write their name and phone number on them for future dates. This never happened at King George VI in Broken Hill…..
I now know what my dad meant when he muttered “Beauty is wasted on the young”.
Sigh…..
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 14:20:46 (UTC)
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Dear Bob Eglington , this is just a thought but do you think maybe there are thousands of Broken Hillians who are in posession of a birth certificate from that petrol stop enroute to the south of africa but are maybe a little ashamed to show them around?
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 07:34:48 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, this morning a not very often quoted saying of Confucious but very revelant to the male population of the world,
Men who have playful kittens should not sleep in the nude.
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Have a nice day Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 07:12:51 (UTC)
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Heather
Will be looking very forward to seeing your articles on Broken Hill (Kabwe) my birthtown! Here's a challange to put the cat amoungst the pigeons - How many members can produce their Birth Certificate issued " Northern Rhodesia. Birth registered in the Broken Hill District of the Territory of Northern Rhodesia"
Certificate issued in terms of Section 11 of Chapter 99 of the Revised Edition of the Laws of Northern Rhodesia.
Just as a matter of interest it cost a fee of 2 shillings and six pence.
In the meantime do enjoy seeing posted pictures of the land of my birth - many, many thanks.
My Dad has let me have his collection of slides (over a thousand) taken in the Rhodesias and once scanned will submitt those appropriate to Arthur for review and possible posting at a much later date as work commitment does tend to interfere quite a lot these days.
Have a fantastic bash/lark.
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 05:38:06 (UTC)
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Hi all,
Arthur and Heather,
I have an idea which I would like to bounce around.
How about all of us out here who would love to be at the Livingstone Lark but can't make it, sending a picture of ourselves to say Helen or someone going to the Lark and has the facilities to make prints. They must take these pictures with them and find a suitable place to display them at one of your venues.
At least this way we will also be represented there and should bring a few laughs (We chat to people on the board and have your own idea of what they look like which is usually nothing like you thought )
I was thinking of getting a picture of myself enlarged and getting it to Doug to take with him to stick on a chair and make sure that there is always a beer in front of my picture.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 04:52:41 (UTC)
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Heather
I read that Cherise's arrival in Lusaka from Johannesburg was met with a thunderous welcome. Did you miss the same flight by a day?
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 03:50:21 (UTC)
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Jane
I have a copy of "boerewors & bangers" and whilst the recording is not the best it still has me rolling with laughter. Contact me direct if you would like me to make you a copy.
Alix
Thanks for call and passing on the message. It was really nice talking to you. I'm hoping I've sorted the problem out with my computer.
To all those attending the Lark - hope you have a really good time. This was one reunion I would have loved to attend unfortunately circumstances dictate otherwise. I'm sure lots of photos will be taken at the Lark and hopefully heaps of Kitwe.
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, September 12, 2003 at 00:52:38 (UTC)
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I just read in today's Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59894-2003Sep11.html
that Microsoft is warning of further vulnerabilities in its Windows operating system and is urging users to download the latest updates from their website
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 21:16:38 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
My favourite fish is snoek which I've eaten in South Africa. I have since learnt that there is a "snoek" here in Nederland... of course the link in nomenclature is obvious. But I am always a bit suspicious of anything that is not African. But only recently did I discover that my favourite Australian fish, barrimundi, is also a pike. It would seem that one of my favourite French fish dishes: quenelles, are also made from pike.
Pike is obviously a favourite of mine, then.
So it would seem that anyone of the diaspora who also like snoek, can substitute their local pike variety for this fabulous South African fish. This should help when trying to recreate our wonderful South African recipes.
Catherine
By the way, there was a description given on Ready, Steady, Cook today, and your monkfish might just suffice for the Ingelegdevis recipe.
Eet smaaklijk!
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 20:58:37 (UTC)
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Johnny
The 'Lake Lure' compitition stopped a few years ago, and has now been converted into "The River Lure" which takes place every year between the end of March and the end of April. It now takes place on the Kafue River at Filli's Camp, which is about 40 mins up stream from the Machiya ferry. The latest one this year had 50 teams of three anglers per boat!! A truly magnificent compitition (rated the best in zambia at the moment) with encridibly good prizes.
Lake Tanganyika still host the Zambia National Fishing Competition every year around about the end of Feb to early March. This Comp is always organised by Reg Hughes from Luanshya.
Jane
Good to see you survived coming back to Zambia again and we look forward to seeing you again so that we can have a few Mosi's!!!
All Livingstone Reunion partisipants please make sure that your liver is in good working order because the beer here is still the best in the world!!!
Brian Rowlands [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Riverside, Kitwe, Zambia
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 18:55:19 (UTC)
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Jane Todd You have mystified me with your reference to LAKE LURE I fished Lake Tanganiyka? for many years but never heard of of the lake you mention, where is it situated?.
Pleased to hear you have a sense of humour Regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 17:48:45 (UTC)
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Bob G.
Old joke. also bad.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 17:20:29 (UTC)
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Jane,
I don't recall 'boerewors and bangers' but I do remember a comedy TV series here in Sa called "Biltong & Pot Roast" or maybe the other way around.
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 17:05:55 (UTC)
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Anyone interested in a bargain. I have a parachute, never opened, used once, small stain. Offers?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 17:01:34 (UTC)
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Johnny from Scarborough, you do certainly do cheer up the days for me, keep goiing. As it is I have just come from a little fishing trip, no mermaids, but 6 mushi barracuda, two we delivered back to the sea to favour the gods, and no points for guessing that we are having smoked barracuda for dinner tonight!
Let me know, however, or anyone, if you recall the "boerewors & bangers" We used to have a tape recording and would be in stiches, I would love to know if you could give me an idea of how to get a copy. Mine has been misled and lost ages ago. My web searches have come up with some extremely good recipes for boerewors, bangers and billtong though...
Ray Wright
I have lost your contact number and tried via your directories links, Hope all is well, let me know.
Ermon Barbosa, ditto
PS would love to come to the lark and also do some tiger fishing. Is anyone going to the Lake Lure in Tanganyika, please let me know. Would like to join on the next one.
Jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 10:53:17 (UTC)
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Heather
I will look up my 1970's palaeoanthropological references to see that I have it entirely right. If they are naming the specimen a sub-species of Homo sapiens, that seems legitimate to me. What I objected to was creating a whole species of rhodesiensis just for this one specimen!
In the 1970's, the Homo genus had only one memberm, us: Homo sapiens sapiens. I doubt that has changed! Except of course the recent move by some anthropologists and primatologists to move pan into the Homo genus. I agree with this reclassification.
As for reclassification from erectus to sapiens, there was some uncertainty about the specimen's erectus classifications... I think it was the largest of the erectus skulls.
As for their keeping it away from public viewing, this could have something to do with the loss of one of the major, if not, the first Homo erectus specimens (commonly known as Peking Man) during World War II.
This discussion could all be moot, if they have not changed the information since finding the specimen!
Thanks for the report. This is good Northern Rhodesian stuff!
I assume you will combine these images with some images of where the specimen was found at Kabwe? And by whom (not ONLY the archaeologist, but the ordinary bloke who found it too---one of the greatest and most important anthropological finds in history!)
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 09:18:49 (UTC)
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DAWID
I threatened that I was going to start a campaign to have him (it is assumed he is a him) returned to Zambia.
Only joking. I told them it is for a series of articles which I will do next year on Kabwe as it is the centenary of the founding of the town. Had they refused, I would have used my threat (and carried it out too) but they were very accommodating and helpful, although I don't think they'll accept that excuse again, so you'll have to use your way.
The Talk Orgins Archive has a page on the naming of type specimens and it seems he is still being called Homo sapiens rhodesiensis.
At the museum he is called plain Broken Hill Man and resides in a wooden box in the dark depths of the palaeontology department, only seeing the light of day when there is a special request to see him. Shame!
Only one more hop to go now - Jo'burg/Lusaka and then it is down to some serious work - I have a reunion to organise!! Better get my A into G
Heather
from an internet cafe in Johannesburg Airport
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 08:30:27 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, the little girl next door was talking to me yesterday and I said to her can you recite anything for me, she replied yes I can and launched into this adaption of that oldie One Potato,
One Tequila, Two Tequila, Three Tequila, Floor,
Her parents do like a drop, Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 07:37:12 (UTC)
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This September day calls fro a little light humour
Personal Column
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Best wishes, Ron
Topsy is the name of our own Black Labrador cross, and I can confirm that there is not a word of a lie in the Ad.
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 03:11:33 (UTC)
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Heather,
Brilliant. Did you use my tactic? If not, how did you swing it?
Have they updated the nomenclature classification? I hope they are not using that out-dated, 1930's classification of "homo rhodesiensis" [sic].
When I was studying physical anthropology at uni it was being classified as a Homo erectus specimen, I seem to remember based on skull shape and dating.
Send me these details under private cover so that I can use the same technique when requesting a viewing for myself.
Good work, Professor Chalcraft... see you on the Sterkfontein digs!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 18:44:43 (UTC)
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DAWIE
I DID IT ..... saw Broken Hill Man and got some photographs.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 16:32:57 (UTC)
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DAWIE
Jislaaike, but you are slow. I left the building five hours before you posted your message. Ag siestog man!
BOB GILLIES
What about you organise a Reunion in Springs?
Heather
from an internet cafe in London
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 13:06:44 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Chalcraft has left the building!
Warning! Warning! Warning!
Alerting all Zambians! Look busy! That Chalcraft Woman is heading your way!
Dawie van der Bliksem
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:57:45 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, a golden oldie today but the girls will love this one, Johnny.
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There are three guys fishing. Out of the blue, they catch a
mermaid who begs to be set free in return for granting each of them a wish.
Now Ronald just doesn't believe it, and says, "OK, if you can
really grant wishes, then double my IQ." The mermaid
says, "Done." Suddenly, he starts reciting Shakespeare
flawlessly and analyzing it with extreme insight.
Michael was so amazed he says to the mermaid, "Triple my IQ."
The mermaid says, "Done." Michael starts to spout out all the mathematical solutions to problems that have been stumping all the scientists of varying fields: physics, chemistry,etc for years,
Arthur was so enthralled with the changes in his friends, that he says to the mermaid, "Quintuple my IQ." The mermaid looks at him and says, "You know, I normally don't try to change people's minds when they make a wish, but I really wish you'd reconsider."
Arthur says, "Nope, I want you to increase my IQ times five,
you don't know what you're asking...It'll change your entire view on the universe. Won't you ask for something else? A million dollars, anything.
But no matter what the mermaid said, Arthur insisted on having his IQ increased by five times it's usual power, so the mermaid sighed and said, "Done."And Arthur became a woman.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:54:07 (UTC)
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Yunus
Have you browsed the full suite of this website. It is not only a message board.
Also have you browsed what the linked websites have? In particular NR and Zambia site. The link is on this page, as you can see.
When the search engine is re-installed, you would be able to search for "Ndola" and "images".
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:25:44 (UTC)
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Ta for the date. Murphys law has nailed me again. We are in Doonside near Durban from 24 to 30 Sept as the 27th is my wifes BIRTHDAY so we'll be with her folks, they were also in Kitwe from 1973 to 1976 on contract from UK, that's how I met the wife, an "imported chick". Will be thinking of you especially the Lusaka guys who I last saw mostly 30 odd years ago. I will be looking out for the next reunion, wherever.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 06:56:43 (UTC)
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Hello all,
does anyone have any pictures of Ndola, love to see them
Yunus
Yunus Badat [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 20:24:29 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies
The Lark is on 26 and 27 September and it's not too late for you to join us 'specially since you're only down the road.
Dave Gray
I don't have grilled fresh small mouth bream on the menu for the Lark, but I'll see what I can do for you. If not for the Lark, then perhaps afterwards when we're all up in Kitwe.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 17:14:56 (UTC)
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I know I may appear a twit but when is the Livingstone Lark? It may have been planned before I got onto the GNR. How long is it going to be?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 16:07:05 (UTC)
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Charles
Please tell your Dad that my Dad's name was William but most folk knew him as Bill. He worked at the Nkana Smelters and Refinery for 30 + years. We passed through Broken Hill occasionally (stopping only at the petrol pump!) on our many visits to my Granny and Uncle Wyn who farmed at Nega Nega. Other than that we had no connection with Broken Hill. To my knowledge there are no Jimmys in the Gray family.
Re your comment about "olive" bream, are they the 'small mouth' variety? I recall one memorable fishing trip to the Kafue Hook area when visiting my game warden Uncle Len Vaughan in the southern section of the Kafue National Park ±1953/4. During one glorious four hour period the five members of our party could do no wrong with just about every cast getting results. We caught a total of 154 fish, mostly 12 inch (for Arthur's benefit!) pike which were bony but put up a good fight, and small mouth bream. I found out that regardless of whether I used a spoon or plug, by allowing the lure to sink for the count of 20 before reeling in, I was virtually assured of a bream. Casting out and reeling in immediately always resulted in a pike. We grilled some of the bream on sticks pushed through the mouth and stuck in the soil at a suitable distance from a rather large fire. That bream was the best I have ever tasted and, 50 years down the line, my taste buds are all a-tingle just thinking about it !!! The remaining fish went to the game guards so nothing was wasted. Lets hope I find some grilled fresh small mouth bream at the Lark.
Cheers and get well soon!
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 12:13:03 (UTC)
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June's photo of the Astra cinema in Kitwe takes me back a bit, I travelled with my sister and her boyfriend through to Kitwe from Bancroft to see a film "Beat Girl" with Adam Faith + ? Does anyone out there have the music from this I would like to get a copy, If you do you can mail me privately or on this message board
Thanks
Ted Mills [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 11:45:45 (UTC)
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Hi all.
Once again, I'm back on board - only for a few minutes a day, as I still can't sit and must remain standing.
To Johnny, William, Linda (aka Beaut.... sorry- a memory lapse), Tina, Jacqui and Heather.... thanks for all the support. To David Grey - thanks for the telephone call, and we'll definitely get together and share a glass of wine. David... my father wants to know - was your father called Jimmy, and was he in BH for a while?
Craig,
The reason why I couldn't change my email address was unrelated to my trying to enter my new email address. It was because the previous info - such as schools attend, etc - had 'hard spaces' at the end of the text. They must've been accepted during the original data migration to the new server.I was a bit slow in picking them up.
I'll write more when I'm a bit more solid on my pins.
Regards
CJ
PS Sarks .. here's to grand fishing. I hope you have the opportunity of catching and eating an Olive Bream - and landing the granddad of all Vundu (Chukky's still not back in force yet!).
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 08:46:40 (UTC)
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Greetings everyone.
I am looking for Peter Richardson and Madelein Malherba from Chisamba. If anyone has heard of them i would be grateful to know any details.
My uncle is Michael Downs (since deceased, and Jessie Downs living here in Yorkshire)
Father Ernest now deceased and mother living here Madge Dacre.
Be glad to hear from anyone
God bless
Philip Dacre [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 07:46:09 (UTC)
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Good morning campers here is your morning fix sorry if you suffered withdrawal symptons over the last few days, Johnny.
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"Yes, mother, I've had a hard day. Jennifer has been most
difficult - I know I ought to be more firm, but it is hard. Well,
you know how she is.
Yes, I remember you warned me. I remember you told me that she was a vile creature and a real slag who would make my life miserable and you begged me not to marry her. You were perfectly right. You want to speak with her? All right."
He looks up from the telephone and calls to his wife in the next room: "Jennifer, your mother wants to talk to you!"
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 07:04:51 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
Go here to read about the Kitwe Big Brother winner on BBCi.
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, September 08, 2003 at 14:31:57 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
What is great about the Kitwe lass winning Big Brother is that it sort of snuffs out the opposition to Big Brother in Zambia based on prudish objection.
Or does it? Resident Zambians... what is the immediate reaction regarding this issue?
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, September 08, 2003 at 08:19:00 (UTC)
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Big Brother Winner Kitwe Credentials
Did she at any point peel and carve a potato, paint it a lurid colour, plant it at the bottom of an unsuspecting mealie plant in order to simulate the appearance of another plant?
If she didn't do this, or similar, I don't believe that she is crazy enough to come from Kitwe. Philip Pain has set the standard for Kitwe credentials high - its OK Philip, blame it on the fumes.
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Monday, September 08, 2003 at 05:57:46 (UTC)
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Hi
WE WON!
A Kitwe Bun won BIG BROTHER AFRICA!!!
KItwe Buns Rule OKay!
Shew - so who cares about Mwisho from Tanzania???
I am so chuffed!
Kitwe Buns Rule!
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 21:40:24 (UTC)
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Doug
Thanks for letting us know. I have not been watching it but have been hoping that our Zambian lady would win.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 21:13:15 (UTC)
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Cherise from Kitwe has just won the Big Brother Africa Competition and goes home with US$100,000.
Just enough to pay lobola for me! :-)
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 21:11:13 (UTC)
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Is there an interest in collecting Northern Rhodesia and Zambia Stamps ?
Do you have gaps in your collection ?
Contact me direct......
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 20:23:52 (UTC)
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Geoff,
I used to collect stamps as a child and I remember the 1968 series very well, especially the 3 ngwee Zambia Airways jet one which I think was very common. The other earlier stamps were before my time and I do not remember those.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 17:02:51 (UTC)
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Brilliant photos of the Falls and Kitwe. Great memories.
Sizes of fish reminds me of a story about John Dorrington and his 110lb sailfish he caught in the Seychelles one time we went there on vacation. As with all fish stories, I may have the details slightly off, but I am sure that Gordon Garlick will correct me if I am wrong, since he was there too. John and Gordon went out fishing and John foul-hooked the sailfish in the eye, I believe it was. He talked the hotel kitchen staff into gutting it and freezing it until we left a week or so later to go back to Zambia. Carried it home in a plastic bag on the plane! Now, if I remember correctly, it was in two pieces, but when he got it mounted, it somehow grew a middle part of about 12 feet. Okay, so that part I did make up, but I can't remember whatever happened to it, except that it grew with each recount of the story. Gordon, can you clarify if you are reading this?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 14:32:38 (UTC)
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Arthur
Thank for the great photos, especially those of the Falls.
I have just been watching the third episode of "Wings over Africa" in which Michael MacGovern visits the Luangwa Game Reserve. Last week he visited Vic Falls and Southern Zambia. Check it out on their website
www.wingsoverafrica.co.za
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 14:25:02 (UTC)
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Whatcha Sarks
Go bag us that Tiger! Story, true as it happens, circa 1970's. Picture the scene - Muf dam, anglers fed-up or drunk, don't know which. Some bright spark had the bright idea of putting four tiger fish in, to liven things up a bittie. Hellooooo, tigers have teeth and the guys suddenly started bitching because the regular fishies had done a bunk!!! Breams or brains I do not know which.
Along comes a 16-year old school kid - he done catch that kapenta - I think 24 lbs worth - I sincerely hope that it is still mounted over the door at Muf Boating club (whooo, Lightie, please verify!!).
Moral of the story - I don't know for how long these fishies last, hang on I will ask Bob - OK old joke!! but will bet you a pound to an ngwee if the other three are still alive, they will be using hippos as toothpicks!
Enjoy Sweetie, you deserve it, along with the rest of the Head Honchos - am soooo jealous - my lottery numbers still didn't come up but I live in hope - sh..... am one with others, the eternal optimist!
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 12:45:43 (UTC)
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Photo Posters
Great photos - thanks to you all. Brings back great memories.
June Bohl
On your first photo. I can't remember the name of the buildings, but I think Michaels Café was at the ground floor on the main building in the background. It's part of the same block as Afcom House. If you walked along the road to the right in the picture, you would come to Kingstones, Sportsman's Den etc, and then, after crossing the road, to the Post Office etc. I you went to the left, about 100 metres up, you would come to Afcom House on the right. The building in the middle of the picture is the back view of the small building that faces onto Kaunda Square (was it called Coronation Sq pre-independence?). A sort of Civic Centre originally? and later became a library I think. Of course my memory could be fading and I could be completely wrong!!
The Afcom House picture. Good memories, as I used to work on the first floor in those corner offices - Price Waterhouse & Co from '75 to '83
The Astra Cinema picture. I would say that the construction going on in the background to the right is the Edinburgh Hotel being built.
Arthur Steevens
Translation: 100 metres is 109 yards, 1 foot, 1 inch. I know you're looking forard to Zambia and the fishing, but brace yourself - the fish there have also let the side down and gone metric.
Enjoy yourself in Zambia - you deserve it after all you've done for this board.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton Co Cork, Ireland
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 11:33:50 (UTC)
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Geoff Rawlinson...
For stamp values - take a look on e-bay under Northern Rhodesia. Tons and tons of them!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 09:36:54 (UTC)
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Hartley.
Your contribution of the photos of the Victoria Falls are brilliant and especially the Big Tree, which I thank you for showing.
I mentioned The Big Tree, at the end of July, when I wrote about the boarding school trains, at our stop at the Falls, when as many Boys and Girls that we could gather would join hands to completely encircle that huge tree. I am very pleased to see it is still standing .
Thank you.
June
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 02:56:08 (UTC)
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Northerners !
I know I said a few days ago that I would not be posting any more photos until maybe the end of October - I have made an exception because Hartley's brilliant photos were so relevant to the upcoming Livingstone Lark. They have made me even more impatient to get there for sure.
While I was preparing Hartley's photos I thought I may as well post the remaining photos which were waiting in the queue, namely another brilliant contribution of Kitwe photos and especially another good shot of the Astra Cinema - from our revered June Bohl and also a stunning set of First Day stamp covers for our archive from Geoff Rawlinson.
Thank you all for your contributions - they are very much appreciated, as always.
These will unfortunately be the last photos I will have time to put on the site for a while, I have much to do and little time.
I will repeat my last offer to take photos of anyone's house or favourite place in Nkana-Kitwe whilst I am there later this month - please hit the contact button below and give me the house number and street. This is for free and won't cost you anything - I will have a digital camera with me and I will e-mail you the photo(s) - You will need to make your request soon as I may not get time to plan my journey around Nkana-Kitwe to include your photo.
Arthur
Livingstone Larkers
I have been sorting out a load of photos the other evening and came across a number that I thought would wet your appetites for the end of the month. Obviously these are (mainly) photos Victoria Falls. They were taken during a 10 day trip we did to Zimbabwe in 1996. It was the end of May, beginning of June so there is a lot more water than there will be this month.
The first few photos were take from the Zimbabwe side.
While we were in Vic Falls we did a 1 day trip over to Livingstone. I must admit that at the time we were rather disappointed, Mosi Hotel was closed, Falls restaurant in disrepair. I understand that things have greatly improved since then.
For one of the highlights of the trip I changed my mode of transport
and came up with the following results
I know that these photos weren't actually taken in Zambia but it was not far over the border. It isn't everyday that you are charged by an elephant and have the nerve and the time to take photos of it.
And who can remember the 'big tree' over in Zimbabwe?
And to end the day there is the obligatory sunset, this time taken as the sun was setting over lake Kariba. The herd in one picture are buffalo not cattle.
See you in Livingstone.
Hartley Heaton
Good Afternoon Arthur,
As promised following my previous submission, I have had a good old route around in the dusty boxes that reside in the dusty basement and have come up with some really good stuff. (At least I think it is)
Enclosed pics of Zambian stamps date from approximately Independence day. They may be of interest to some of your filaterlist... fartlateralist...philatelist members.
They reside in my wife’s collection and I do believe they have some value other than nostalgic. Any comments from your readers would be appreciated as would confirmation from you of the arrival of this ‘e’ mail. Many thanks
Regards
Geoff Rawlinson
I think that is the Edinburgh Hotel in background.
Outside the Dept stores looking towards Post Office in left background.
This is a picture of my parents Houseboy, DAVID, he worked for our family for 26 years, starting as a young garden boy, (when I was very young,) he graduated over the years to Kitchen Boy and then became the Main Houseboy....
Afcom House
Some taken around the town centre
The Astra Cinema
From
Sassy June Bohl
Northerners - the car in the foreground has a registration plate no. NK 7139 - hope someone recognises it ! - Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 21:49:25 (UTC)
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Philip
Look at www.play.com they have the cd in stock
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 15:57:23 (UTC)
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Philip
I've just gone into www.kazaa.com and did a search for "Billy the Mountain" and I found it. It's over over 23000 KB but you can download it, though it will take a while. Better if you have broadband. I didn't find it by typing Frank Zappa or Mothers of Invention in - just Billy the Mountain. If you don't get it the first time, keep trying because Kazaa is peer-to-peer and whoever has it on their computer needs to have it turned on. Good luck!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 12:38:55 (UTC)
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Hi All
A friend and I were discussing records of our youth and the name of a L.P. came up " Just Another Band From L.A. ", this record was banned in South Africa but I got to tape it from a guy who was out from England doing his practical studies on the mine I worked on.
The band was Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention and the whole one side of the L.P. consisted of one song called "BILLY THE MOUNTAIN" featuring "Studebaker Hoch" Great stuff in my younger days.
Check out this web site for a review of the L.P. F ( Click Here ) MOTHERS JUST ANOTHER BAND FROM L.A.
I e-mailed Dave Cooper to see if he could source the C.D. for me from the record shop he mentioned some time ago, but unfortunatly there was an attachment to my message (A picture of the record cover) and as a precaution he deleted the message without opening it.
If someone out there comes across this C.D. (A memory from my misspent youth) please drop me an e-mail.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 10:43:15 (UTC)
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George,
You will find several ginger beer recipes presented and discussed on last month's message board.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 05:40:24 (UTC)
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Hi,
Is the anyone out there that can help me with a "original" Afrikaans ginger beer recipe, the stuff that blew the cork out the bottle and the bits of ginger floating in it.
Gosh how I miss this drink, I just hate the synthetic stuff you now get in the supermarkets.
George
George Tokarczyk [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edenvale, Gauteng, South Africa
Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 05:16:55 (UTC)
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Ron Clibborn-Dyer
Alright, we won't try to con you again - that was a photo of a couple of holly spikes stuck in the ground with a peach beside it, taken in Arthur's garden. From a distance it looked so simlar to Philip's sketch that we just couldn't resist it.
On the list of fruit seeds you posted, there is a lot of interest lately on the different fruits, the oils that can be extracted from their seeds etc and hopefully we will be able to build a sustainable export business from them. I shall keep your list handy and look out for these plants during my travels. And then I shall try preparing them in different ways.
A very tasty one which I tried recently was the Ricinodendron rautanenii Fruit pulp Nuts (Mungongo as they are called in the Western Province or Manketti as we call them in the Lusaka area). The kernel is delicious, eaten as is or roasted.
The other one is the Strychnos spinosa (Muhuluhulu). This is the African orange which I have prepared with caramel sauce and also used in ice cream. There is a tree just outside my fence and if the fruit is ripe in time, I shall make some ice cream for consumption at the Lark (A word of warning to all the Larkers - consumption will be compulsory!!). We are also going to try distilling some this year and if it is any good, will make our own liqueur similar to Amarula. So look out for Bamuhuluhulu on the shelves of your local bottle store in years to come (perhaps!! or we might keep it all for ourselves).
Cathrine Nelson
When you, Chandru and the others in the Washington area get together, why don't you have a 'work party' and repair the gates of the Embassy?
Last week when I was in London I visited the Embassy there and had lengthy discussions with the Tourism Attache on the displays in the Embassy and one of my jobs when I get back home will be to get some new art and crafts together for a new display. I am also working with them on comprehensive information that they need for handing out to people who show interest in visiting Zambia. I am sure they will be delighted to have some help with their repairs and if you have a couple of photos taken, I shall publish them in my magazine with a short write-up. If you arrange with the people there, I can also get some displays together for the embassy there.
Chandru Krishna
There is a new restaurant which has opened in Mongu called 'Oasis' - I had a meal there when I was in Mongu at the beginning of August. The food was delicious, the service excellent and the drinks ice cold.
Larkers
We are now up to forty people. But there is still place for more, so if anyone is dithering, it is not too late.
Charlie
I can easily arrange a wheelchair for you and will get some low braais so that you can sit and braai the meat.
Heather
in an Internet Cafe in Hamburg (and struggling with this German keyboard)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, September 05, 2003 at 16:18:29 (UTC)
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Charles both william knott and my self have sent you em's but all were returned have you had a change of addresses lately?
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Campers I will be off the air for 4 days I am going to Liverpool they are going to bestow the freedom of the city on us but we canot walk into any bar and order a pint for nothing I am informed, keep smiling Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 20:51:45 (UTC)
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Charles
That is the longest excuse I've seen so far for not attending the Lark.
Hope you're feeling better and up and about soon
Vivienne
Heather is in the United States of the German-Franco republique just now, I think she escapes from the belly of the beast sometime around the end of this week and returns to Zambia.
Ron
Sorry to hear about the devastation.
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 11:29:34 (UTC)
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I am posting this message on behalf of Julian Holt who is not a member. If you can help him, please contact him via e-mail at jdholt@hotmail.com. Thanks.
Searching for an Ancestor Buried in Mufulira
Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 14:17:30 PDT
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Hi there, I was wondering if you could help me. I have tried most things to find out but am a little stuck. I am trying to find details on my Great great Grandfather William Mackay. We think he died and was buried in Mufulira around 1932 - 1939, He used to work in the copper mines. What I am looking for is some willing soul who lives in or near Mufulira to please, if possible, explore the gravestones to get as many details for me from the headstone. I would do this myself but I live in Edinburgh U.K. and if I do go back to Africa, it's usually to visit my family in South Africa. My Mother used to live in Luanshya but I am not Zambian. I only hope you could find someone who would be able to help me. Thank you.
Thanks
Julian Holt
Again, if you can help, please contact Julian directly at jdholt@hotmail.com. Please don't contact me (Craig). Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 09:52:36 (UTC)
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Morning campers, some one taking poetic licence with our animals.
If the African yak spins in circles till it gets dizzy, is that
called an afro-dizzy-yak?
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 08:20:27 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcraft
Please be so kind as to email me regarding the Livingstone Lark - I have sent you two emails, but I believe you are away.
Thanks
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa
Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 07:07:10 (UTC)
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Charlie
Looks like you are sailing through your recovery. Most of these ops are wonderfully routine. My mum had a laminectomy in Zambia years ago and sailed through it. My husband had a different experience with a spinal fusion three years ago. Just a note to you and others in this situation. Insist your doctors take proper notice of any new swelling, changes. We allowed ourselves to be too easily reassured over a weekend. Make sure you are on antibiotics. Although this is a rare complication and Ted is a diabetic, this is how he developed a staph infection that has crippled him. So a little extra caution isn't a bad thing.
Jilly and Ron
Commiserations to you and everyone else affected. Of course nature bounces back but no one likes the devastation. Jilly yes you should be lucky with some plants and hopefully some of them had dropped seeds earlier.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 22:00:14 (UTC)
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The ginger-like plant with the red fruit underground - wasn't that called 'bush lemonade'? The chimps at Chimfunshi loved them.
The su-su - boiled and mashed with butter and pepper was a substitute for squash (pretty tasteless without the butter and pepper) but was pretty good during the heavy rains when fresh veg were hard to come by. The dogs used to get them in their dinner too. The other rainy season veg we had were beans which we grew up the fences - big pod with a white beans with a purple patch on them. Either picked and eaten fresh (boiled and served with garlic and oil) or allowed to dry. Never knew what they were called but they tasted pretty good when all else failed.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 21:22:24 (UTC)
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Yellow Peril - can you mix it with another white spirit? I am horribly alergic to Gin. I think I'll try it with cane - sounds interesting!
Ron and Veronica - as you say - nature will heal itself - I keep that thought in my mind. About two weeks ago we had a very cold night - and just about everything in my garden has died from a black frost. Okay, the trees are still standing, but all the spring flowers and leaves on these trees have died and I am chasing dead leaves all over the place! I was nursing some clivias in potting bags to plant at our new home - and all but one have been zapped - I am hoping that their inner workings are still intact! Nature is awesome - and our cold spell was short and sweet - nobody expected it and loads of trees around us have been damaged by frost - we wait to see what will recover.....my commiserations on the havoc wreaked at your temple.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 20:55:11 (UTC)
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PASSION FRUIT (Grenadilla's)
Recipe for "YELLOW PERIL"
Gather together as many Passion fruits as you can. Cut them open, take out the centre part, pips and all, place in a sieve and with the back of a desert spoon sqeeze as much juice as you can into a bowl.
Next, measure the amount of juice you have extracted and add the same volume of Gin together with an equal volume of sugar.
Leave for a while..... hey presto! YELLOW PERIL.
WARNING: DO NOT DRINK and DRIVE!
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 19:30:16 (UTC)
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The worst TYPHOON to hit Darwin, Australia was early November 1973.
My wife, Catherine, and I had been visiting my mother who was living in Brisbane. My mother, together with the rest of the family came to see us off at the airport. We passed comment about a pending storm, all of us could see lightning etc way to the north. We were heading for New Zealand to see other members of our far flung family. Shortly after arriving there we received a telephone call from my mother she commented "My god! you went off with a bang! You'll read all about for days to come." We certainly did.
Norman Kenward ex-Mufulira
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 19:17:39 (UTC)
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yo, Ron
Whew, eh!
I have a brother-in-law who will be going to Australia with us, come next January, whose idea of heaven is to be in Darwin at the height of a cyclone and hang, horizontally, in the storm , from a mango tree. Is he nuts or could he have been a northerner in another life?
Having never got to Darwin - we were on our way in Dec 74 when Tracy hit and were turned back at Tennant Creek,- we are looking forward to the trip, but no winds thanks.
Love weather dont you? At least it is something we can all marvel at or bitch about.
Speaking of which, take care Linda does not send that woman!!
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 16:30:16 (UTC)
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This is a request to my brother Ross who was pretty well known in Lusaka and Kitwe as a drummer in various bands,1964 to 1969 to sign on to the GNR site and discover many mates who are living near him in England and he may like to get together with them sometime, he seems to have hibernated in Leicester as I can't even get him to answer my e mails, and I've told our mum about him ignoring me!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 16:29:23 (UTC)
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Ron and Veronica
Altho I dont know you personally, but do from the GNR, I am very glad to know you are all safe and well despite the bedragglement surrounding you.
I tried to read all I could on this typhoon, apparently it had a double eye? Maybe you can tell me more about it?
Best regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 15:18:46 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
This is totally unGERMANe, but it is so typical, so British, and so bloody funny that you must excuse me sharing this with you...maybe it will perk you up too.
From the BBCi... a young boy in Wales finds £10,000 at a bus stop. Apparently this is the reason for the money being at a bus stop:
"The cash has been traced to an elderly man who confused while on medication, is thought to have lost his life savings while out on a walk."
Reminds me of my son, "loosing his homework on a bush" on the way to school. Obviously the British blood in his veins is still virulent.
Yikes.
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 13:26:06 (UTC)
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Ron and Veronica
Your posting of the storm damage from the typhoon reminded me of the typhoons I experienced in Taipei and round Taiwan. One has to experience the power of the wind to believe the damage that can result from such storms. My accomodation afforded me a good view of the main business street and the many cantilevered illuminated signs which the gusting winds worked loose and eventually ripped from their mountings. The sign faces were normally screenprinted polycarbonate sheets which shattered on impact with the road. the sharp chards of polycarb were then swept up by the wind and blown along damaging cars and injuring those unfortunate enough to be out in the storm. While I was there a chicken coup was blown from a 10th storey roof, killing a man on the sidewalk below. The local radio station carried warnings and the preparations always involved filling the bath with water as power cuts affected that service and one had to keep the sewage system operational ! Taipei's side walks are paved with red concrete tiles abont 300mm square, set on a sand base. The passage of thousands of feet and the numerous downpours eventually caused the tiles to rock. During heavy rains the voids under the tiles filled with water and many a time I trod on the edge of a rocking tile sending a stream of water unerringly up my trouser leg! A bit disconcerting.
Hope that you are able to clear up your storm damage quickly. Have you taken any pictures of the garden and can you post a before and after series?
Go well
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 11:09:46 (UTC)
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Hello Ron & Veronica,
I'm happy to hear that you survived the effects of the recent typhoon in HK. I was in Mauritius in the mid-80s when it was hit by a cyclone and its a very humbling experience.
I printed out your message and took it up to George last night ... here is his reply:
Hi Ron,
Of course I remember you and was very pleased to get your message. We are all going to the NRP reunion next month. Gus Goble is picking me up in Durban, then on to Empangeni to pick up Mervyn Wallace and then to White River for the reunion. We're also spending 2 days in the Kruger National Park. Danie Marais is arriving from New Zealand to join us.
Jim Carmody and I play golf together every week. He has just re-married. I saw Pete Saffin in Cape Town in May. Also Paul Falla in Plettenberg Bay. I very nearly joined you in Hong Kong, but went back to the UK to play for Oldham!
I'll give all the boys your regards.
George
PS Frank Pearson plassed away 4 months ago.
Cynthia Halvey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 10:59:00 (UTC)
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Barrie,
I am pleased to report that all the newly planted trees of remembrance have survived the latest Typhoon unscathed, but many mature trees have suffered severe damage. I spent several hours cutting the
fallen trees from our driveway to give us access to the outside world and got myself chewed to bits by the red ants who were ready to take their revenge for the storm damage to "their" trees on anyone who dared to interfere. I even had two of them clinging to my feet after spending half an hour to cool off in the back stream after my labours. Persistent devils !
But I didn't feel a thing after a few cold beers.
Roger the gardener has been busy cutting up the fallen trees in the temple garden all day. I took a walk in the forest and its like a battle scene from WWI with
trees down everywhere. It is interesting to note which trees are flexible and do not break - mostly indigenous whilst the imported exotics are more prone to give up and break. Ourmature Flame Trees suffered many fallen branches and Australian Gum trees - Eucalyptus - suffered many breakages.
We are lucky that no one has died in HK - more than 20 have died in building collapses across the border on the mainland and one fishing vessel is missing with all crew as yet unfound.
Interested to read of your motor cycle convoy round UK. The fruit you mention are all still in abundance in tropical climates, we have Guavas galore on the ground, Paw Paws - Papaya - Bananas and a passion fruit vine on the fence. Our Star Fruit tree was laden with fruit and has thus broken its back and lies in agony on the ground. Our huge Mango tree bent with the wind this way and that all through the nigh and protected our bedroom from the full force of the wind - and there was me thinking that it was a brittle tree and needed lopping !
Linda, thanks for your commiserations- the garden will survive - It is the natural Cycle of Life - we have just got soft an unused to the power of nature.
There will be more to come as the Age of Aquarius comes into full swing over the earth. It is reputed to be an age of upheaval and dramatic changes in the earth's climate. So we must be thankful for small mercies now and enjoy our lives whilst we can.
Cheers Ron
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:49:34 (UTC)
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Barrie....
Grenadillas !!!! (passionfruit).....when growing up as a child of Africa I never knew passionfruit as any other name but Grenadillas !!and yes they have a taste all of their own.... many a friend used to look at me sideways when mentioning them by name.....just like Naartjies, Brinjals, Frickerdals sp?....Mangoes have always been a favourite of mine.....in NZ they were a rare sight but since living here in WA we see them almost all year round love them to bits and so do the girls.....but what is intriguing me is this Tongaloolo fruit..a bit like the famed Unicorn........
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 09:35:54 (UTC)
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RON and VERONICA,
Very sorry to hear about your storm damage, we see reports of these happenings on the TV news, but your message brings it more to reality ,if you know what I mean. Have the Memorial trees that you planted survived?? I hope that you soon get things back to "normal".
ELSPETH,
Belated happy birthday. How far are you away from Benoni?? in fact does it still exist?? I used to live at 100, Fourth Avenue, Northmead, Benoni, as a child before going on to N.R. Please try to have a "drive by" and let me know if it is still there.
All these recent messages about various fruits have awakened a few more memory cells, in Mulobezi we Had two Paw Paw trees in the front garden, there were mango bushes at the Hubert young Hostel. Also those of you who remember Lusaka boys school in the 1950s will remember that there was a remote classroom (Miss Bardell) about a half mile?? from the main school, while walking between these two venues we used to pick up "things" from the ground and eat them, I think they were called Buffalo Beans?? . Also there has been no mention of a fruit called Grenadillas??(Spelling). Am I imagining them?? I think not as while writing this I can recall the taste as I used to suck the juice out of them. On Sunday past we had a great ride out with a group of 35 riders, on our motorbikes, from 10-00 we rode 250miles unil 19-00.With three stops for refreshments. from Northumberland we went via Durham, Weardale, Teasdale, Cumbria, Yorkshire, and back, some of the most beautiful scenery in England. Very hairy and Scary in places, lots of loose sheep on the moors roads My wife, on the pillion,really enjoyed the magnificent scenery on one of the last days of our good summer, unfortunatley the riders were to preoccupied with staying in convoy and on the roads to notice the passing views, although we did get some close ups of some lovely sheep and lambs.
Happy messaging,
Regards, barribee.
Barrie Braidford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 06:50:49 (UTC)
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Hi Marilyn
nice to see you back on the board. Whats up?
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 04:30:59 (UTC)
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Ron:
So sorry to hear of all the damage around the beautiful temple. Hopefully it will not be too long before you have your garden back again. Thank goodness nobody was hurt.
Charlie:
Hope your back heals quickly. An old friend of yours from beyond is asking if you need anybody to come and take care of you? I would get up and run now.. he! he!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 01:37:11 (UTC)
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Charles,
Sorry to hear you are unable to come and help us clear up the typhoon damage here in HK.
We wish you a rapid recovery.
Ron
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 01:08:32 (UTC)
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BIG Typhoon - Tuesday September 2, 2003
We have survived the biggest blow from a Typhoon that we have had since
we came to the Temple seven years ago, the number 8 signal went up about
2 p.m. and Roger & I went round removing awnings and securing whatever we
could. I moved the cars so that they would not be under trees that might
fall on them, and I went up the stream and opened the nearest overflow
by-pass. As usual the worst of the storm hit us after dark when the #9
signal was raised and we were on the receiving end of a sustained series
of heavy wind blasts. All Power went out at about 8:15 p.m. so we crept
off to bed by candle light. The Power supply was restored about three
hours later and I got up to turn out the lights around the place. It was
still blowing very hard and pouring with heavy rain, but not long after
that all went quiet as the Typhoon crossed the coast.. This morning I
went out to survey the damage - and Oh what a sorry sight the garden is,
trees, branches and leaves lying everywhere, the footpath by the western
fence line completely blocked by downed trees and Banana plants.
The six metal sheets from the leading edge of the goat shelter ripped off
and blown away - one has landed about 500 yards away at the back of the
Temple - I haven't found all the others yet. The goats themselves are fine
and still chewing the cud under cover of the remaining part of their roof
shelter. The Bees, Ducks and Chickens have survived the storm unscathed.
Many potted plants blown over and lying all over the place,
trees broken and lying every which way. The footpath out to the bridge
covered in small branches and the driveway covered in big branches.
Two cars have survived nothing more than being smothered in fallen leaves,
but the Hilux broke the fall of a dead tree that travelled further than I expected, but the bull bars took the brunt of the impact and there appears
to be no body damage to the vehicle. We cannot get out of the driveway as
there are large branches of a big tree blocking it. Quite amazingly the
canvas covered car park for the Pajero has survived unscathed - being well
protected by the surrounding trees and undergrowth.
I had shut the dogs in the temple hall below our sleeping room, and they
were very pleased to get out early this morning to uncross their legs in
the debris of the storm.
At the back stream, despite the overflow bypass being open up the hill, the
leaf debris indicates that at the height of the heavy rainfall the stream
overflowed more than it has ever done before, but even so it did not overflow
into the well.
One phone line is still out altogether - it had gone long before the storm
really hit us. The other one went out in the afternoon, but this one is back
in service this morning - allowing me to access the internet and send this message.
So for the rest of this week we will be having a big clean-up and trying to
rescue those of the plants that can be recovered, re-building the goat shelter
and generally tidying up the place. Hopefully the Country Parks staff up the
hill will help us to clear the broken trees from the driveway and clear any
fallen trees from the mountain road, but if not, we will do it ourselves.
We have enough beer and food for all creatures here to last us a week.
Cheers, Ron & Veronica
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 01:05:58 (UTC)
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BRIAN GEYSER!!!
BRIAN BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOR 31 AUGUST. SORRY I NEVER POSTED ON OR BEFORE YOUR BIRTHDAY. HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD DAY THOUGH.
BEST WISHES - BRASSO, NATASHA & SCOTT
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 22:10:08 (UTC)
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Johnny
Do not be discouraged. I'm sure they said the same to Tennyson on a bad day. I can think of numerous (in)famous poets they probably said that to on a good day too. Perhaps we should just research what this market will support and respond to and decide whether to combine that with your muse.
Your friend and literary agent,
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 21:33:11 (UTC)
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Dear Charles very sorry to here about your lapse, but with a bit of luck you will be trotting through the Shateen again shortly, I see Bill recomends some self hypnosis I have some thing I will send you it is better than the self type when you are back on your feet let me know if it helped, I note Jaqui and a couple of other well wishers have referred to you as old, you are not old you are only a baby yet, so dont lie around to long all that biltong on the hoof will be waiting for you, so get well soon your old buddy Johnny.
PS Make sure you get your 30,06 back.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 20:47:47 (UTC)
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Dear C.J
Real sorry to hear about your lumbar adventures. Ouch!
'Some' of Northerners may recall the wooden crates that Castle and Lion used to come in, with the large bottles. Dad owned a bottle store in Muf and I used to drag these out to cars of customers. One Christmas, I hauled one too many at once and did something to my lower back. Yoicks. For many years I occasionally went down like a pole and no movement for a time with pain that can only be contained by self-hypnosis or whatever.
Anyway, doctors and pills did nix.
I finally got a physio , in Australia, who said, : "Look mate, this is always going to be there. You have to accept that for the rest of your life you must do daily stretching exercises" I finally believed and so for the past 30 or so have done them. Occasional spasms but no other docs, tanks gott. But its a different lifestyle that one has to adopt.
Glad I dont have , yet, need for operations.
You okies going to the L.L May you have all I dream about wrt experiences.
Give your Dad all the best from me and my Dad..., Charles
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 19:09:31 (UTC)
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Charlie
Get well soon! My mother keeps telling me 'there is no pleasure in getting old' and I am starting to believe her! I will be in Cape Town after the Lark and will make every effort to see you. Take care now
Jacqui x
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 18:30:50 (UTC)
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Dawid van Amsterdam...
You have my empathy for all your aches and pains. My mispent youth has eventually caught up with me. About 12+ years ago I was Bosbok hunting in the mountains near Swellendam when I slipped down a krantz, knocking myself out and slipping a disk in the process. When I recovered my senses I was lying in thick heath, and realized if I didn't get myself to higher clear ground nobody would be able to assist me - plus it was freezing cold, being the middle of winter. I managed to pull myself up the slope, using roots and shrubs and, when I got to the top, eventually managed to hobble along using my 12 bore Luigi Franchi as a crutch. Somehow, I must've popped the disk back for, after a few hours of painful progress, I met up with Bertram Dumbleton (owner of the Fairie Knowe Hotel at Wilderness in the Southern Cape - and to whom I'd loaned my .30'06 for the hunt). Bertram was recovering from a severe Violin Spider bite (he almost lost a leg) - so the two of us hobbled along 'til we eventually got within sight of some of the other hunters. At this stage a nice Bosbok ram broke cover, at about 40 yards, and my instints kicked in. The other hunters packed the buck out of the mountains for me, and helped me down to an area accessible by bakkie from where they could drive me back to the farmhouse. I then drove home to Somerset West where I slowly recovered over the next two-three weeks. Over the next 12+ years, I only experienced the odd twinge of Sciatica and lameness in my right leg - until my recent Gemsbok hunt at Bundu. Here, I must've herniated a disk when we pulled a Gemsbok carcase onto the F100 bakkie, but I just put it down to 'auld age' and all the walking I'd done. However, three weeks after returning to Cape Town there was no improvement - in fact my condition was deteriorating - I went to a GP who put me on painkillers and anti-inflamatories - which didn't seem to work. Life came to a standstill on Monday 18 August at 07h00. I walked out the back door, my right leg gave way - and I went down as though pole-axed. The pain was enough to turn a brave man's heart sideways in his chest. I managed to grope my way back into the house where my eldest daughter rolled me onto a sleeping bag and, dragging me by my heels, managed to get me into the lounge where she made me "comfortable" on the floor. She called the GP who came around and gave me injections. 26 hours latter, I was still in the same place - so they called an ambulance and carted me off to the Vincent Palotti Hospital. To cut the story - I'd damaged not one but two disks - L4-L5 amd L5-S1. 40 minutes in the MRI 'tank' with a back in spasms and an inclination towards claustrophobia was 'hell on earth'! The only good news was when the Specialist Physician was tasked with clearing me for the operating table = despite being a heavy smoker my lungs were clear, my heart was sound and I was in general good health. That must have something to do with my early childhood growing up in NR. Thursday night was 3 hours under the Neurosurgeon's knife - a Diskectomy and a Laminectomy - and now I'm back home recuperating. I don't know how I managed it, but I appear to have found the right surgeon. He allows me a Scotch every evening with my supper (one a day - hell, I'm so far ahead, I'm already in January 2004)! Now it's just a loongg slloooww process of healing and excercise.
Heather...
I hope you have a super Livingstone Lark - and look forward to all the photos (especially with Arthur and a Vundu). All the talk about Musukus & Mpundus really brought back memories. However, Monkey Oranges were something else - I remember they had a hard and woody type of shell and I most certainly didn't regard them as edible. Another edible and pleasant tasting fruit was the wild loquat - Mahobohobo (sp?) - but the fallen leaves are the bain of all hunters trying to close a stalk. Hell - now I'm drooling for a big pod of cream o' tartar from a baobab.
Beth..
Wishing you a very belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I apologise, but have been placed on the backbench for the next 6-7 weeks. I hope you had a super day, and David dpoilt you silly. Glad to hear you're back safely on 'our island'! Is Alison Brooke's young Michael's sister? I now have a new ISP. My email is the same - just replace 'Netactive' with 'peopleweb'. It's a good idea to change your ISP every now and again - by the time I returned from hospital, I had to delete over 300 spam mail. Excuse all the errors, as i can only stand for 10 minutes at a time - and I've gone well over that. Paddy Allen visited me on Sunday, and we had a long natter about the 'auld days'. He's still a very large, fit and mentally alert man of 75. Other BH'ers who have popped in are Theo Mavronikolas (brother of Takkis from the Rio Cafe) and Patrick Barron - as well as my wee sister Rowena.
Fond regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 13:29:59 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
There is no "American embassy" [sic] in Amsterdam. It is a consular office: The Consulate-General of the United States, Amsterdam. Embassies are usually only located in the capital of a country.
I am not sure how this would have worked in a federation like Rhodesia & Nyasaland. I imagine the embassies were in Salisbury, and only consular offices in cantonal places like Lusaka and Blantyre-Limbe. Similarily, I would guess this is how it would also be for a country with multiple or compartmentalised capitals, such a pre-1994 South Africa. I am not sure.
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website.
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 10:26:10 (UTC)
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Johnny
What did you have for breakfast? And all I can say is 'Ouch." Back to the drawing board, my friend.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 10:04:38 (UTC)
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This 'n that...
Virii...
I have http://www.my-eTrust.com as my antivirus provider. $9.95 US a year and I receive updates virtually every day these days. So far - fingers crossed - have not been hit.
I also on a weekly basis check for Microsoft updates. In Internet Explorer click on TOOLS and then WINDOWS UPDATE. It takes you right through and is a piece of cake. The fix for that latest bug was posted on I believe July 16 by Microsoft so if you checked on a weekly basis your computer would have been ok.
American Embassy...
If I was working at an US embassy I would be glad all this stuff is in place for my safety after all the embassy bombings etc.
I had the joy this year to travel to the US four times and through the US twice. The border staff are under extreme pressure. The added workload of more thorough checking, being understaffed and surly travellers does not make their job an easy one. I found a simple "please, thank you and a smile" works ABSOLUTE wonders. Ditto for airline staff - and a bit extra nice to them has the added benefit of an upgrade to Business Class...
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 08:37:44 (UTC)
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Johnny don't post my silly "email only" verse on the poor GNR. I merely wondered within those short lines how many of your historic compositions there might be now decomposing in various places under the relentless Zambian sun. You must consider posterity. It might be time to send over a conservator.
I fully support your literary career. It is merely my troth that is firmly plighted to another. (You can imagine his plight!) Anyway in the immortal words of Monty Python: "Stop this sketch. It's getting silly!"
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 03:40:04 (UTC)
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Jill & Philip.
We need to do more research on your Tongululu fruit to get a positive i/d.
If Jill can get us good photos of the ones her friend has in pots that will help.
Philip's great mock up with a Ginger plant and a carved and dyed potoato is beginning to look like my Torch Gingers - Zingiber Zerumbet except the red cone of the ginger holds the flowers, is not a fruit and is on a stem.
See:
http://www.gingerwoodnursery.com/zzer.jpg
The cone turns red after most of the flowers have emerged. The liquid in the cone is used for shampoo and is equally good as an astringent after-shave.
There are other gingers like it, but none with edible fruit.
See: http://www.gingerwoodnursery.com/zpurpureum.jpg
As shown in Philip's photos - it does not seem to be a Carissa - so we must look for something that fits the mock-up.
Heather has been very quiet about her photo - which I presume was a spoof with a real peach from the market beside a couple of Holly spikes stuck in the ground. Come on Heather - am I wrong again ?
Cheers Ron
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 03:02:50 (UTC)
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Well done Fiona, Go to the top of the class,
You have solved the problem on the identification of the Su Su. I have it growing in the Temple Garden here in South China - it is a prolific large leafed creeper in the Cucumber [Cucurbit] family - the only one with a single seed that I know of. I have it growing over a large bamboo frame over the veggie seedling plot to keep the sun off. Here it is known in Chinese as the Buddha's hand fruit [Fat Sau Gwa] or [Jeung Gwa].
This is an excellent example of why we cannot rely on common names in one place being anything like the common names anywhere else - we need to discover the Latin name - and even these can change over time as the botanic "lumpers & splitters" keep re-classifying them and now we have a completely new DNA identifacation that is changing the names of all the old familiar plants we used to know the Latin names of.
The Sus Su is thus:
Botanical name: Sechium edule (Jacq.) Sw.
Family: Cucurbitaceae
Common names. English: chayote, Madeira marrow, vegetable pear; Nahuatl: chayote (Mexico, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama); Spanish cidrayota (Colombia), gayota (Peru), huisquil, güisquil or uisquil (Mexico [Chiapas], Guatemala, El Salvador), papa del aire, cayota (Argentina); Portuguese: chocho, chuchu, xuxu, machiche, machuchu (Brazil); French: christophine, mirliton (Haiti, Guadeloupe, Bermuda, Trinidad and Tobago, United States [Louisiana], French Guyana)
See:
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/1492/chayote.html
As others have said already - it is a pretty tasteless fruit, but can be eaten raw straight off the vine when small. but when larger the skin is very tough and needs to be cut off before the fruit is diced & cooked with something that will give it flavour. The seed is edible, unlike some other cucurbits.
If left on the vine the single seed will protrude rather rudely through the base of the fuit and it will then produce a new shoot with leaves - when the whole thing can be planted to create a new vine.
There is a sometimes similar looking fruit known as the Bitter Gourd known locally as [Fu Gwa] which may at first glance be mistaken for the Su Su [Sechium edule], but this has numerous smaller seeds and the flesh is very bitter and needs to be cooked and mixed with other foods to create an acceptable sweet and sour taste.
This is called Momordica charantia - also in the Cucurbitaceae family
See: http://www.evergreenseeds.com/evergreenseeds/bitgourbitme.html
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 02:35:59 (UTC)
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Time is dragging on...
Lynthia babe,
I never meant to hurt you, I never meant to make you cry.. (Brian Ferry) Play it loud.
Here's hoping that your daughter in law "pops" early and you can make it to the Lark, if you miss this one Heather's already planning the next I'm sure.
I look forward to meeting the other Eldridge girls
Beth,
Happy birthday !
Now with both Charlie Cartmill's Broken Hill Angels attending the Lark I'm really looking forward to going myself, a perfect photo opportunity to make the old chuckie green and doing cartwheels.
Arthur
Dear Arthur
I want to post a picture but I am not up to speed yet. Meanwhile here is the list of people in the photo. I hope we can put them together soon!
I would like to submit a photograph for the site. It was taken at the Rhokana Swimming Pool in +-1966 and is of the entire Rhokana Swimming Club, Coaches, Parents and kids - sitting in the empty baby pool for the photograph.
The names are rusty but I will try:
Seated adults around the back Lto R
Josie Mallinson, Margaret Russell, Molly Hogg, ?, Mrs Mackay, David Hogg, Bill Hogg, May Drysdale,?, Ray Rowlands, Mike Johnson, David Russell, ?, Mrs Rowlands, Raf Wilson, Ted Fox, ?, Mrs Brazier, Mrs Fox
Very Front Row
?,?,?,?, Mackay twins,?,?
Seated on First Step
Kevin Cowie, ?, Dick Mallinson,?, Sharon Mackay, Lilian Gibson, Liz Drysdale, Clark Russell,?, Alan Hogg, Len Cowie
Second Step
Ian Drysdale, Glenda Sinclair,?,Keith Cowie, Andrew Drysdale, Colin Fox,?, Stephanie, Mrs Brophie
Top Step
Doug Drysdale, David Russell, Josephine Mallinson, Leslie Brophy, Mike Blowers, Robert Kelly, Linda Fox, Merle Brazier
I would love to hear from anyone in the photo
David Russell
David, welcome to the GNR and a fabulous photo for starters! Thank you, I'm sure there are many others here who can fill in the gaps and recognise those in your photograph - Arthur
Hi Artie
Could you please put the following message and attached photo on the GNR for me?
The Su su is called a Choko in Australia and Papua New Guinea and yes, they are pretty tasteless. They do seem to take on other flavours well, so good for bulking up stews and casseroles. They can also be used for making jam. They grow on a pretty rampant vine and are often used to cover ugly outbuildings (e.g. the dunny!). When we lived in Bougainville they were very often the only fresh vegetable we could find to eat. We also ate the young shoots and leaves which tasted kind of like spinach. The following are other names from around the world: brionne, cayota, chayote, chayotl, chocho, cho-cho, chochoute, christophine, chuchu, cidrayota, custard marrow, gayota, güisquil, Guisayote, huisquil, machiche, machuchu, Madeira marrow, mango squash, merliton, mirliton, papa del aire, pepinella, uisquil, vegetable pear, xuxu
Fiona Gayther
Hi all,
The plant I am refering to looks very similar to the plant shown here, when I first moved to Eshowe I thought that I had found the real thing.
I have carved a potato and painted it to look like the fruit for clarification. ( The plant in the picture is Wild Ginger.)
Cheers
Philip Pain
Gauteng's Winter Wonder Land 21 August 2003
Sorry I am sending these a week later but I have been away for several days. It is amazing how cold it gets in SA!!
Jacqui Milward
Northerners
It is unlikely now that I will have the time to post any more photos for the rest of this month, my business and other matters will demand much of my time in the next few weeks.
If you have photos to submit please continue to send them in and I will get them onto the GNR sometime next month.
Thank you all for you brilliant support and contributions.
Dawie,
re the Kariba Wall - thanks - my pleasure, and we will never give way. Kariba is on my itinerary, I will snag you a photo.
Arthur
replicant #666
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 22:37:58 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the wishes - can go to bed feeling totally loved!
Quite a disappointing evening - owner of the restaurant didn't get my booking so didn't even get a "happy birthday" - let alone a song or a bottle of champers. Never mind, there's always next year!!
Chris Gough (ex B.H.) and his wife Paddy joined us - what a pleasure - tried to convince them to come to the lark but no such luck.
Had better go to bed now - your birthday can only go on for soooooooo long.
Good night!
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 22:33:02 (UTC)
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Lynthia,
I seem to remember you as the nuisance girl who used to hang around Grahm in Garnaton.
I used to spend every chance I got in Garniton at my sister's place. I spent many a weekend at Maurice's place. Do you remember the tame Gennet cat that was his pet and followed him arround the house and the Hornbill that as a pet had freedom to do as it liked but came home every evening to roost in Maurice's room.
Dave mentioned a skull that he had found. I arrived at Maurice's place one weekend and asked his Mom where he was, and she told me that I might find him at some place I think towards your plot, when I found him he had found a grave and was busy excavating the site looking for skeletons. I had visions of SPOOKS haunting me and decided to not to participate in the diggings.
If I have to think back, I believe Maurice taught me more about the bush than any book could have. He taught me how to skin birds (Blue Jays etc) so as to make displays on your bedroom walls that didn't stink.
Maurice was allways in trouble with his parents, from shooting up the shoes in the cupboard with his fathers shotgun, to using the day old chicks to try and capture a Chicken Hawk.
Maurice! You out there, you are on my most wanted list.
Lynthia hope you are looking after yourself and if you find Maurice, please ask him to contact me.
Cheers
Philip
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 20:45:17 (UTC)
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I recieved this just now while I was bathing in self adulation from some one who I thought worshipped the parchments I scribble on how wrong can you be?.
There once was a bloke, Johnny Green
Whose verses in public were seen. Critics said: We recall
Once admiring this scrawl
in the bog of a Zambian shebeen.
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But what was she doing in the Bog of a Zambian shebeen?.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 20:33:08 (UTC)
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Beth,
Happy Birthday! I look forawrd to meeting you at the Lark - or maybe sooner? Wasn't the weather glorious here today for your birthday?
Ron et al,
I am convinced that I found the correct fruit - Carissa bispinosa - Philip's drawings look identical - but without the spines, perhaps Carissa bispinosa spp zambesiansis doesn't have spines; I know that carissa edulis is only single-spined. My friend grows them in pots - and the fruit is delicious!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 20:31:21 (UTC)
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Catherine
Replicants were the humanoid machine-robots in one of my very favourite films: BLADERUNNER. Check it out.
By the way, you can ALWAYS tell who is a Replicant and who is not... the Replicants have small serial numbers visible on the back of their ears.
Here is a recipe for pickled fish (one of my favourite South African dishes). By the way, I would never trust fish from a supermarket. Isn't there a fishmonger near you? Here, we have many. There is a brilliant one in my neighbourhood, but it is a couple of thousand kilometres to the east of your home. In Sydney, I found one of the most impressive and awsome fish markets in the world... also a little too far from you.
Ingelegdevis
pickled fish
One of the best-known Cape dishes, pickled fish was perfected by the Malays who served it at funeral feasts. This fish curry is eaten cold. In the past, ingelegdevis was also packed in jars with a layer of fat on top to keep the air out, so enabling it to be stored for many months.
2 kg Cape salmon, kingclip, yellowtail or any other firm-fleshed white fish
4 large onions, sliced
750 ml vinegar
125 ml water
20 ml salt
125 ml sugar
40 ml curry powder
15 ml turmeric
2 ml cayenne pepper
1 piece root ginger crushed
10 coriander seeds
5 lemon or bay leaves
Clean and fillet the fish and cut it into portions. Combine all the other ingredients in a deep saucepan and simmer for 20 minutes. Add the fish and simmer for a further 20 minutes, taking care not to break the fish. Remove with a slotted spoon and layer into a glass dish. Pour the curry sauce over. Leave to cool, then cover tightly and leave to mature in the refridgerator for at least 3 days before use, but preferably longer. Serve with brown bread and butter.
Serves 8-10.
From: The very excellent and superb collection of classic South African traditional recipes: "Traditional South African Cooking", Magdaleen van Wyk and Pat Barton, Central News Agency Ltd, CNA Building, Laub Street, New Centre, Johannesburg, 2001, ISBN 1 874951 13 6.
Geniet!
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 20:12:20 (UTC)
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Ron and All
The list of edible plants and the link is fascinating. The three strychnos (nightshades) tend to make you blink, til you remember the tomato is also a nightshade. And they do comfortingly call one of them strychnos innocua - harmless nightshade.
It gets you thinking about the properties of the African plant life you shouldn't eat. I have flame lilies and knew they are poisonous but not how or why. I also have young grandkids although they are less likely to browse on the garden than the wolfhound who likes a nibble on the Hackberry Tree. Anyway the flame lilies are safely out of the way and here is some info on their toxicity.
The active poison is colchicine. Symptoms of acute poisoning begin two to six hours after poisoning and include burning mouth and throat, thirst, stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhoea. This progresses to low blood pressure, shock, delirium, convulsions, respiratory distress, haemorrhage. When death occurs it comes from shock and respiratory failure. If you survive you lose some hair in a couple of weeks as a little reminder.
The tubers are the most potent part and can be mistaken (or more likely substituted for sweet potato).
People survive non acute and many acute poisonings. (It sounds as though you would have to eat a tuber or two to be acutely poisoned). But if you suspect flame lily has been ingested try to keep the person hydrated, give them electolytes and rush them to a hospital. The only reference to antidote I found was on a South African site which said there is one in France but it is not commercially available.
The plant is used widely in Asian (specially Indian) traditional medicine. There it is applied to strain, swelling, sexual problems, leprosy, cancer, and more. The leaves are used to kill head lice. While it is apparently used medicinally in Africa too I couldn't find useful specifics on medicinal application in Africa.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 19:08:11 (UTC)
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June
I have just checked the archived board for August and got your message about Cathy. I tried once again and this time I was successful, thank you.
I was begining to wonder if she was doing a Mugabe on me, because of my unenthusiatic remarks about her book, because all I was getting was a blank white page.
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 18:47:32 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Beth! See you at the Lark!
Jacqui x
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 18:36:03 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Beth!
See you at the lark. 25 days and counting.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 18:21:11 (UTC)
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Dave,
Given your graphic description of the US Embassy in Amsterdam I think, make that, I KNOW, I now really, really like the look of the Zambian Embassy in DC. Thank you for that perspective!
I wasn't sure what you meant by Replicants. It sounded close to the name of my least favourite political party which fit nicely with the context of your description. But never one for hasty judgement (yeah, right!) I googled it and came up with: manufactured organisms designed to carry out the work too boring, dangerous or distasteful for humans. So indeed, it does have something to do with the aforementioned political party!!
Does any one have a recipe for pickled fish, using a fish found in American supermarkets?
Kind regards, Cathrine
Cathrine Nelson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United States
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 16:14:01 (UTC)
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Beth,
Happy Birthday young lady,
You were very kind to ring me when I was in Jo'Berg a couple of years ago - I am sorry we did not have the chance to meet.
Here's a poem just for you My Friend
Friendship is Your Duty
To do your little bit of toil,
To play life's game with head erect;
To stoop to nothing that would soil
Your honor or your self-respect;
To win what gold and fame you can,
But first of all to be a friend.
To know the bitter and the sweet,
The sunshine and the days of rain;
To meet both victory and defeat,
Nor boast too loudly nor complain;
To face whatever fates befall
And be a friend throughout it all.
To seek success in honest strife,
But not to value it so much
That, winning it, you go through life
Stained by dishonor's scarlet touch.
What goal or dream you choose, pursue,
But be a friend whate'er you do!
With apologies to Edgar A. Guest
And 14 things it takes more than 50 years to learn
1. Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on
the same night.
2. If you had to identify, in one word, the reason why the human race has
not achieved, and never will achieve, its full potential, that word would
be "meetings."
3. There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
4. People who want to share their religious views with you almost never
want you to share yours with them.
5. You should not confuse your career with your life.
6. Nobody cares if you can't dance well. Just get up and dance.
7. Never lick a steak knife.
8. The most destructive force in the universe is gossip.
9. You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
reason why we observe daylight savings time.
10. You should never say anything to a woman that even remotely suggests
that you think she's pregnant unless you can see an actual baby emerging
from her at that moment.
11. There comes a time when you should stop expecting other people to make
big deal about your birthday. That time is about age eleven.
12. The one thing that unites all human beings, regardless of age, gender,
religion, economic status or ethnic background, is that, deep down inside,
we ALL believe that we are above average drivers.
13. A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice
person. (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.)
14. Your friends love you anyway.
Thought for the day:
Never be afraid to try something new.
Remember that one amateur built the Ark.
A large group of professionals built the Titanic.
And no... you don't have to forward this to anyone
in order for your life to take on new meaning...
By Dave Barry
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:51:47 (UTC)
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Beth
My apologies - I did think about it last night but forgot this morning. And it didn't even register when you emailed me today either.
The usual daily birthday wishes are also temporarily offline because I'm away from home.
Happy Birthday and we will celebrate at the end of the month
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:25:01 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
It's just after 5:00p.m. and if no one from the GNR site wishes me happy birthday, I'm going to have to phone my therapist !!!!!!! BUT I've spent all my money on the Livingstone Lark so .........................!!!!
But ............... for all of you in South Africa, hope you had a wonderful Spring Day and what a brilliant day it was - 26 degrees. Sorry to hear about you folk down in Cape Town ........ you need the rain so stop complaining.
Am off to the Kerry Piper for a hoolie - will get onto the site for all me birthday greetings on my return!!!!!!!! hic.
Love you all,
Beth
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:17:28 (UTC)
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Johnny & Tina,
A great poetic grist,
May we all get Brahms & List,
And in the words of Gilbert & Sullivan
Now I have a little list,
Yes I have a little list
It comes from Mazabuk-u
Where they oft-times drink Chibuku
Where the Kirby's farm their cattle
By the stream.
Hope it help to fill the gaps
For those with hopeless memory lapse.
Cheers Ron
Indigenous fruit species in Zambia.
Species Part used Common name
Fruit Seed
Adasonia digitata Drink, porridge, snack, Baobab (E) seeds Roasted and eaten
Anisophyllea boemii Eaten fresh, jam Mufungo (B)
Annona benegalensis Mulofo (B)
Azanza garckeana Eaten raw, relish Makole (T)
Balanites aegytiaca Drink Mukelete (L,T)
Bauhinia petersiana
Berchemia discolor Eaten raw, porridge Mwiyi (T)
Borassus aethiopum Whole fruit
Bridelia micrantha Edible fruit, dye
Cordyla africana Wild mango (E)
Dialium engleranum Fruit pulp Muhamani (T,L)
Diosypyros mespiliformis Eaten fresh
Diosypros kirkii Eaten raw Nchenja (B,T)
Ekebergia banguelensis Edible
Garcinia livigstonei Eaten raw, porridge Mutungwa (L,T), Mpule (N)
Garcinia huillensis Eaten raw Nsongwa (B)
Grevia flavescens Fruit pulp Namulomo (L)
Guipourtia coleosperma Seed eaten or used as oil Muzauli (L)
Hexalobus monopetalus Eaten raw Eaten raw Mkandachembele (N)
Hyphaene ventricosa Wine or spirit, Buttons, broaches Kakunka (T), Munganda (L)
Lannea stuhlmannii Whole spirit Seed kernels
Landolphia parvifolia Mubongo (B)
Lannea discolor Fruit pulp
Mimusops zeyheri Fruit pulp
Ochana pulchra Flesh Cooking oil
Parinari curatellifolia Eaten raw, cooked Mupundu (N)
Seed as oil
Mubula (T,L)
Parinari capensis Eaten raw Kernels, roasted Sand apple (E), Mubulabula (L)
Parkia filicoidea Pods Floury sheath African locust bean (E), Musepa (B)
Piliostigma thonnigi Pods
Ricinodendron rautanenii Fruit pulp Nuts Mungongo (L)
Sclerocarya birrea Eaten raw, Kernels eaten Cider tree (E), Muyombo (L), Msewe (N)
Strychnos innocua Fruit pulp Elephant orange (E), Muhuluhulu (L)
Strychnos pungens Fruit pulp Muhwahwa (L)
Strychnos spinosa Fruit pulp Muhuluhulu (L)
Syzygium cordatum Eaten raw
Syzygium guineense Eaten raw Mufinsa (B), Mutoya (L)
Tamarindus indicus Pulp Tamarind (E), Musiika (T)
Trichilia emetica Oil used to make soap
Uapaca kirkiana Eaten Masuku (T,B,N)
Uapaca sansibrica Eaten raw
Vangueriopsis lanciflora Eaten raw Mbubu (T), Mumonsomonso (L) wild metler (E)
Vitex doniana Eaten raw Black plum (E), Mufutu (B), Msimya (N)
Ximenia americana Pulp eaten raw Mabona (N), Mutende (L)
Ziziphus mauritiana Eaten raw Masau (T)
Note: B = Bemba,
E = English,
L = Lozi,
N = Nyanja
T = Tonga
http://www.agrsci.unibo.it/wchr/wc2/mingochi.html
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 10:34:35 (UTC)
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Credit where its due, Johnny. You did a great job of the thought and the verse in creating your chef d'oeuvre. (I stress this strongly as I review the last line). It was my pleasure to straighten out the form and metre as requested.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 10:15:59 (UTC)
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My E-mail
If you have sent me e-mail in the last week or so I will answer it soon. I have been away a lot lately. I will also activate new memberships shortly.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 10:12:46 (UTC)
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With all the talk that has taken place over the last month or two on the fruits of Nr my compatriot and I thought that we would inject our own little oar into the debate the professional way it is presented is due to a real PRO herself it made me laugh and we hope it does you, and we hope you will take in the spirit it is presented and happy munching.
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On the banks of the Mwabashi where we used to smoke our hashie,
and dreamed of all the fruits we liked to scoff,
There were plenty in the bush but some would give you thrush,
And leave you with a dry mouth and a cough.
The dreaded aspinrola would turn your entrails over
Better left to the hyenas and the snakes.
Mupundu and musuku left you stuck upon the pot
Choosing numbers for the Pik-a-Lot
But the sweeties bispinova left you feeling good all over
The girlies shared them round with other folks.
They would mix them into cakes and other tasty bakes
With the kinds of leaves and seeds that D---d smokes
But most of us have left there
And we are left bereft here
Without exotic fruits that make us croak.
If we find we have the craving
No good sighing no good raving
We must settle for an orange and a P-KE.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 08:01:16 (UTC)
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Catherine,
You mention the down-trodden state of the Zambian Embassy and grounds in Washington DC...
Well you should see the United States Consulate-General here in Amsterdam! (I had to go there for some unpleasant business a few months ago because I had to go to the United States for some necessary business)...
The house is a beautiful structure at the end of one of the most spectacular spaces in Amsterdam: the Museumplein. The building is not far from one of Europe's great concert halls: the Concertgebouw. So the building keeps some very respectable and beautiful company.
The entire grounds are surrounded by double fences topped with horrific and unfriendly looking razor-wire. These fences give the house a prison or concentration-camp look. Towers and cameras are everywhere. Standing in the front grounds are two highly-armed machine-gun totting soldiers who stand in front of an armoured tank military vehicle, which sits in the middle of the front yard!
In order to get into the building, you must speak into an intercom. An unpleasant, brusque and rude voice commands you to state your business. You are then let into a filthy, dusty courtyard with broken bits of bottles and dying plants. There are commanding signs everywhere saying what you can do, how to stand, and a crackling loudspeaker belts out unfreindly commands about who can come in through which door. In order to enter the building you must go through about three doors with three military men with unfriendly demeanors barking orders of where you are to go, how you are to stand and what you are to have ready. You then must go through metal detectors and have military types feel you up your arms, legs, crotch, bum, and back. Lovely.
Inside the building, you wait in a room that was once a grand salon, but is now filled with cameras, signs commanding orders on how you are to sit, to keep utter silence, and not to move about. Workers behind the thickest glass I have ever seen and massive bars and protection, keep you from having any contact with them. They bark orders and they reflect no signs of being human at all. In fact, I am sure they are Replicants.
The general impression one gets from a visit to the United States Consulate General in Amsterdam is that they do NOT want you to come back EVER again. I shall not!
I think this is the ONLY location, besides Dutch military installations in Amsterdam, where there are so many guns, cameras, and canons poised at the Dutch and visiting public!
Interesting to compare it to your description of the Zambian Embassy in Washington.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 07:26:38 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, your smile to set you up for Mon morning.
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Over drinks one afternoon a buddy of mine and I were discussing former "loves". I told him that I once broke-up with a girl long ago because she had a seemingly incurable speech impediment.
George said, "Johnny, I'm shocked. I've never known you to be prejudiced against handicaps. What was the girl's problem?"
Taking a sip, I paused and reflected, "She couldn't say 'yes'."
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 07:21:46 (UTC)
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Good Morning All, on a fabulous first day of Spring in Johannesburg!
Firstly a note to Arthur .........
You only rub salt in my wounds by insinuating that I would make a feeble excuse for not being in Livingstone at the end of the month - I have dreamed of going 'home' again for more than thirty years so you can rest assured that realising that I wouldn't be able to make it has been one of the hardest things I've ever had to accept!! But I still believe in miracles so if my much loved daughter-in-law could just 'pop' two weeks early and if the removal company could move my mother's household up from East London two weeks later, I assure you I would walk up the Great North Road there barefooted!!
Secondly, a note to Phillip Pain ........
I remember Maurice Hofmeyer very well - we lived next door to them in Garneton. My parents made contact with his folks several years back when the Hofmeyer's were living somewhere near Krugersdorp. I also met up with Steve (Maurice's older brother) shortly after that and he was also living here on the West Rand. I'm not sure if they're still in the area but will make enquiries and let you know.
Till next time ..........
Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 06:22:39 (UTC)
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Hi All
At the Eastern entrance to the crescent driveway at Federick Knapp was a large Mpundu tree the school bus for Prince Charles used to wait under it's shade for the kids. I ate the fruit but must admit didn't realy enjoy them, but in those days I used to eat anything I could find, one of my daily rituals was to see what the servants were having for supper. I remember the Kapenta with gravey and the large dried fish from which dozens of insects (cockroaches I think) used to scuttle when it was placed in the pan.
I used to bring home my pot of finches from my hunting expeditions with my DIANNA 15 to the boys who taught me to cook them whole with feathers and all in the coals and then gut them after they were cooked. I remember one year we had an invasion of Mopani Worms in a tree in our yard and helped collect them for the pot, these were served with Young Hybiscus leaves picked from the hedge and made into a stew. Our servants used to love to have me eat with them as I would pinch condaments to accompany the meal from my Mom's pantry.
The Masuku as I remember was very simmilar to the Maurilla my sister and brother inlaw had a tree growing on their plot in Garneton this was one of the better wild fruits I have eaten.
I wish someone can find Maurice Hoffmeyer who grew up in Garneton and knew everything a youngster could about the bush. He had a large book which had desctiptions and pictures of all the plants in Northern Rhodesia.
Time up
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 05:02:19 (UTC)
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Cathrine,
Brunch - Good idea, I will email you my contact details.
Embassy grounds upkeep - probably lack of funds. Separately, the previous ambassador has been charged in some financial scandal.
More Mongu stuff:
I remember once my father drove back from Mongu after a work trip with a huge sack of mangoes for us which he purchased for only 4 kwacha (in the days when K1 = $1). Apparently the cost of transport too high for them to be transported to the cities.
Chris McIntyre's 1996 Guide to Zambia recommends the Bisiku Restaurant in the centre of town near the main market. Says they will serve up an excellent of bream with an afternoon's notice.
I read that the current ambassador represented Mongu in parliament.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 01:30:29 (UTC)
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Good Morning everyone,
I just wanted to be the first person to post on the message board this month. I was glad to see Brasso posting again. Will keep an eye on this page to see how the Livingstone Lark goes,
Carl
Carl Paterson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mandurah, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, September 01, 2003 at 01:04:04 (UTC)
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