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Hi Folks
Sorry - I meant to ask, did anyone else buy far too many chockies for all the little trick or treat-ers?
Now I am in danger of turning into a pumpkin myself!
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 00:50:00 (UTC)
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Peter G.
Thank you for your very moving words. You obviously love the man and his country.
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 00:47:35 (UTC)
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Thanks for the comments, guys. Glad you liked it.
Doug Grewar:
You were asking about Peter Bennett. Peter and I and Arthur Mwenga used to chum around together in Kitwe in the '60's. I'm guessing he was born around 1958. He went to Fred Knap. Two siblings, that I recall, twins...can't recall their names. They were younger. I think his mother was a teacher at Fred Knap, and I seem to recall that his father ran a bookstore. I could be wrong on that. Father's name was Handel Bennett, I think.
Great pics! That's the first time I've seen his face in over 30 years, but I recognized him all the same.
Peter
Peter Gilchrist [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Friday, October 31, 2003 at 18:43:35 (UTC)
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Peter Gilchrist
I also thank you for sharing your incredible tribute to your friend.....your words paint his struggle and kindness so poignantly..........my 16 year old daughter sat there with tears in her eyes reading it......her words were a choked "beautiful"...........
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Friday, October 31, 2003 at 09:06:40 (UTC)
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Campers a thought for the day,
If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables,
then what is baby oil made from?
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, October 31, 2003 at 06:28:49 (UTC)
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Peter - I echo what Linda has said. A lovely piece of writing. We obviously have many very talented people on the GNR. Thank you for sharing.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Friday, October 31, 2003 at 05:55:28 (UTC)
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Peter Gilchrist:
What an absolutely amazing and heart tugging piece you have written in tribute of your friend. Thank you so much for sharing.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Friday, October 31, 2003 at 01:59:22 (UTC)
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John Kapuka was a refugee from Angola who came to us in Kitwe in the mid '60's. He gave us, my siblings and I, a gift that I've never forgotten. I recently wrote a piece about him, and about his gift, which I post below for nostalgia's sake.
Hope you enjoy it.
THE GIFT
He shuffled through the dust on blistered feet
towards a stand of trees that seemed to drift
on endless waves of suffocating heat.
Each painful step he took was one more gift.
A salty crust patrolled the lines that mapped
his leathered neck and rimmed his bloodshot eyes.
An old hyena stopped to watch and snapped
the air behind him. Vultures filled the skies.
He hobbled on. In prison he had learned
that pain is just a fragile state of mind,
but every night his troubled dreams returned:
the maggots gorged on friends he’d left behind.
His only crime was one of faith. He taught
what he had learned: that men should live without
a master’s chains. The ruling class did not
condone that view. Their soldiers sought him out.
The beatings were routine. His ribs were cracked
so many times that pain became a friend,
a sharp, familiar stabbing pain that wracked
his wasting frame and never seemed to end.
His fellow inmates died in swollen mounds
of abject misery. He knew he’d meet
an equal fate. He sensed the coursing hounds
of Death pursuing him on padded feet.
And so he fled. One night when darkness swept
across the veld and clouds blocked out the light
he climbed the prison wall and slowly crept
beneath the waiting camouflage of night.
For months he travelled trails and dried-up streams
that led him south, towards Caprivi Strip.
Each crimson sunset bled from anguished screams
of Africa and stained her battered lip.
He crossed the Okavango after dawn
and walked towards a brilliant golden hand
that reached for him with every ray it shone.
A welcome spread across the glowing land.
He dared to dream of freedom now, and ached
to hear his children chase each other ‘round
the yard outside his home where sunlight baked
the grass that struggled through the trampled ground.
He longed for Flora’s touch each time he slept
to soft cicada symphonies that filled
each lonely night. He prayed, and sometimes wept
in gratitude; the baying hounds were stilled.
By custom, most Umbundu men will break
the ground for garden plots. Their wives will then
maintain the crops. The fathers also make
a plot to give each child who reaches ten.
He wasn’t there to break the ground this year.
His hoe lay idle in the shade beneath
a baobab. A solitary tear
dropped gently into dust and formed a wreath.
A thousand miles, and maybe more, he walked
on feet that bled with every step. His face
was chapped and badly cracked. His mouth was chalked.
He hobbled slowly on in God’s embrace.
One heavy afternoon he saw a mist
ascend above a tall mopane tree.
He knelt and prayed. The smoke that thunders* kissed
the Rev’rend John Kapuka. He was free.
A painting hung within our home, of two
apostles at the tomb of Christ. ‘Though John
was first, it wasn’t he but Peter who
went in to find that Christ’s remains were gone.
In Dondi, Grandpa Sid received a note:
“Remember well the picture on our wall,
the first to come is here”, my father wrote,
and Flora wept when Grandpa came to call.
The months that followed must have dragged for John,
although he never let it show. He found
what work he could, and shortly after dawn
one day I watched him start to break some ground.
He danced across the soil. Each rhythmic swing
his borrowed hoe inscribed implied a hand
above an ochre drum. I heard him sing.
His words of thanks poured out across the land.
His friends had found a way to get his wife
and children out and ‘though he had to wait,
he knew they’d come. A vastly better life
awaited them. He danced to celebrate.
On Christmas Day, when church was done and all
the toys and gifts lay strewn across the floor,
our new adopted uncle came to call.
He stood and smiled and waited at our door.
“I have a gift for each of you.” He said.
His empty hand stretched out to point the way,
and five excited children cheered. He led
our greedy throng to where the presents lay.
A hectare, more or less, of garden spread
in five symmetric plots that greened the land.
I understood. I leaned my tousled head
on Uncle John and gripped his calloused hand.
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* Mosi-oa-Tunya – “The smoke that thunders” – Victoria Falls
Peter Gilchrist [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Friday, October 31, 2003 at 00:53:47 (UTC)
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Campers lets start November with a smile I sent this to a few of my friends and they seemed to like it so you can all have a chuckle.
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A mild-mannered man was tired of being bossed around by his wife, so he went to see a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist said he needed to build his self-esteem, so he gave him a book on assertiveness, which he read on the way home.
He had finished the book by the time he got to the house. The man stormed in,walked up to his wife pointing a finger in her face. He said "From now on, I want you to know that I am the man of this house and my word is law! I want YOU to prepare ME a gourmet meal tonight, and when I'm finished, I expect a sumptuous dessert afterwards. Then, after dinner, YOU'RE going to run me a bath so I can relax. And, when Ive finished with my bath, guess who's going to dress me and comb my hair?"
"The bl-----dy funeral director" said his wife.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 22:08:54 (UTC)
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Gary
I will personally drive down and collect Linda and see what he** we can raise, er, what we can do today to get ourselves steamed up now as a distraction from anything in the past. It's my duty as a friend and only right.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 18:07:09 (UTC)
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Tina McGee/Linda Dore!!!!!!
Tina - big favour as U R on same US turf as Lindy. Please can U calm Linda down on the matter of young bucks like me getting her glasses all steamed up back in the 70's & 80's. Rumours will abound ...... hee hee. I like it - at my age I need all the encouragement I can get!!!!! I am however concerned about the effects of this gossip on likeable characters such as my "mate" Johnny.
Johnny ...... in those ole days in Kitwe I always kept a small ladder or empty orange crate (sometimes & large sack of charcoal) in the car boot (or trunk if U R in USA/Canada).
Your mischievous "gnome" Brasso.
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 15:52:30 (UTC)
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Tina, Barry, Catherine........et al
yes un germane but I suppose I could mention that I had a lovely afternoon tea looking out on the Indian ocean....and I am sure I could see the outline of the African coast...nah....couldn't see the most beautiful continent in the world, but the imagination was there and the ocean...............
*Solar flare brings light show to Perth*
A shockwave from the Sun has hit the Earth, causing a rare phenomenon in the southern skies near Perth.
Perth Observatory director James Biggs says he observed an aurora, seen as whitish milky light in the sky.
"From about 2:30 to about 3:40 [this morning AWST] there was a bit of a glow towards the south in the sky, reasonably high up," he said.
"Until about 3:30 there was definitely a glow with some dark stripes in it. That was the aurora."
Dr Biggs says the aurora is very rare.
Dr Fred Watson from the Anglo-Australian Observatory at Coonabarabran in north-west New South Wales says auroras may be visible elsewhere over Australia over the next few nights.
"If you've got a dark sky, by all means go out and have a look. It's well worth it because if you see an aurora, it's really something to remember," he said.
"They can show brilliant colours and look just like search light beams going right down from the point of your head to the horizon. They're quite spectacular."
The flare is the final burst from a solar hurricane that has hampered some space satellite transmissions and led electric grid operators to curb power transmissions as a precaution.
High speed
Scientists say the cloud of charged particles unleashed at high speeds by a hyperactive Sun and known as a coronal mass ejection (CME) was traveling at more than 8 million kilometres per hour.
It took just 19 hours to reach Earth from the Sun.
"It ... was going much faster than people thought," Dr Mike Hapgood, a space expert at the Appleton Laboratory in England, said.
"There were some problems starting yesterday because of the effects that precede the arrival of this shockwave from the sun."
The flare, thought to be the biggest in 30 years, caused a Japanese satellite to be shut down.
Power plants from Sweden to New Jersey cut production to limit how much electricity was flowing over transmission grids, preparing to absorb any sudden surge in energy that might result in coming days from lingering effects of the storm.
"We expect this storm to continue through the day and tomorrow," said Larry Combs, a space weather forecaster at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration's Space Environment Centre in the US.
The centre, which acts as the official US space weather watching agency advising power utility, airline and communications network operators of potential threats from space, issued its first warning of the storm a week ago.
The gaseous cloud that dumps energy into the magnetic field that surrounds the Earth, creating a geomagnetic storm, is the final wave in a three-stage solar storm that first began peppering the Earth with X-rays on Tuesday.
These X-rays, which were traveling at the speed of light, forced air traffic controllers to scramble to find alternative communications channels and affected satellite transmissions of images back to Earth.
In the second wave, a pulse of solar radiation hit the Earth.
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 13:19:39 (UTC)
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Linda I noted you remarked that my buddy Brasso used to steam up your glasses you must have been either laid down or Brasso was carrying his ladder with him which was it? Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 10:42:28 (UTC)
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Linda, I had trouble for years with a sore on the bridge of my nose that wouldn't heal, it was apparently due to glasses. The doc suggested contact lenses but they didn't hold enough beer
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 09:16:57 (UTC)
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Northern Lights...
I lived in the Yukon for 10 years and saw lots....
For thousands of photos go to Google - click on images - put in "northern lights" and presto.
I also have some taken myself in Whitehorse, Yukon on our wedding day in 1997 right above our house that includes the comet if anyone is interested.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 09:06:38 (UTC)
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"I've seen them phenomenon" should read "I've never seen the phenomenon" Too much sugar in my tea?
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 06:37:36 (UTC)
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Barry,
Hi - can't you take a picture of the aurora borealis and post it for us - I've seen them phenomenon - and being Southern Hemisphere bound, unlikely to ever see it. I would love to, though.
Hi Pappy, hope you're well!
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 06:34:58 (UTC)
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Cathrine, Tina
Yes, the norðurljós (aurora borealis) was very bright yesterday (29th) morning. When I arrived at the office shortly before 07.00 (GMT) I could see them very clearly despite the street lights.
If I see anything particualrly interesting during this period of sunspot activity then I'll post it - at the risk of being non-germane!
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 06:01:02 (UTC)
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O.K. PLEASE go here the prediction info is stunning! There are custom maps for other parts of the world.
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/predict.cgi
Wish I'd found this for us earlier!!! Maybe events will last into the 30th. Still this is a great prediction site for us to watch.
It basically says:
The major solar at 1102 GMT on Oct 28th, facing the Earth was three hours long and left the sun at 1200 to 2000 km per second. The shock was due to arrive at Earth as early as the afternoon of the 29th in Europe (4 PM GMT)and as late as 2 AM GMT on the 30th.
This flare is probably large enough to approach mainland Australia and be visible from the North Island in New Zealand.
Russia will be well placed on the night of the 29/30 to see the aurora from this flare.
This flare is of a magnitude that should lead to aurora visible over the entire continental US on the evening of the 29th. It may be on the northern horizon for those in Florida, Texas, and Southern California, but it should be visible.
The best viewing is from a dark area, even your back yard, with a view to the northern horizon. Look out at the sky every half hour. Typically, an intensification occurs every two hours, lasting about 1/2 hour. The maximum activity is usually around 11pm to midnight.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 05:27:16 (UTC)
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I'm Back!
by/in spite of popular demand. Take your pick.
Been looking at what, if anything, predicts where aurorae will turn up beyond the usual spots. In short, the greater the sunspot activity the further south (or north in the case of the aurora australis) you might be able to see 'em. Turns out Catherine was very lucky to see aurorae in Maine.
This site talks about predictability and gives you some usual areas of sighting:
www.exploratorium.edu/learning_studio/auroras/seethem.html
TTFN,
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 05:12:36 (UTC)
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Catherine Nelson
You talking of auroras and Iceland just impelled me to answer. You're jogging memories. During the six months I spent in the west fjords of Iceland years ago there were fabulous displays of the "Nordurljos" (sorry Barry in Iceland, had to write that without the proper th symbol and accent). We used to lie out under the sky and watch them as long as we could.
Chances for seeing great northern lights this year should be good. Far as I understand it (and if I'm wrong the GNR will tell us) sunspot activity causes magnetic storms in the Van Allen belts that surround the earth and this increased magnetic electrical activity is thought to be the most likely source of the aurora borealis and australis. Sunspot activity peaks over an 11 year cycle. While the recent sunspot 11 year cycle is just past its peak the papers have been talking of major sunspot activity this October.
Just went looking for a 2003 picture site and found this:
http://www.polarimage.fi/aurora/2003a.htm
I know this doesn't 'zactly answer your question but thanks for the memories and the chance for a natter on a cool subject.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 04:21:33 (UTC)
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Now, now Gary Brassington...
I resorted to wearing contact lenses because my goggles were always getting steamed up by young pups such as yourself. He! He! Glad you liked the photos.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 03:20:18 (UTC)
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Mum, (grovel) please stop looking for the Springbok biltong that Mark and Chris sent you, me and Miceal ate it all when you were at work last Saturday. Uncle Ed, if you read the message board could you ask Mums friend Louvaine who lives in Pinelands to send her some more for her birthday this Saturday. Happy birthday Mum, we love you (but not enough to save you biltong!
Alicia Rybicki-McAuley and Miceal McAuley
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 00:18:19 (UTC)
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Aurora Borealis
I believe one of our members lives in Iceland and I was wondering if you have seen much in the way of the Northern Lights recently.
I once saw them in Maine, USA and would love to know how/where it would be predicatable to see them again in February.
Thanks, Cathrine
Cathrine Nelson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Washington, DC, United States Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 23:36:58 (UTC)
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Pappy Papier
Welcome back to GNR!!!!! Where U been buddy? Hope Shirley & family are well? If U have changed your e. mail address please let me have it or give me a call either on my mobile or home land line number .... have some news about Cookie for U!
Delectable Linda Dore!!!!!
Thanks for the pictures of the gang at John Jenks's place in 1983. Yes I remember Pam Claussen very well indeed and also Sharon Gower. Sharon's mother Shirley & father Malcome I knew well. Shirley worked with my Grandmother Meg Hendricksen at a ladies outfitters in Kitwe (cant remember shops name). Shirley used to come and visit my mother Yvonne at the family home. I NEVER knew U wore contact lenses banc in 1983 ..... U look good babe! Kids send their love to U all too.
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 20:48:36 (UTC)
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Pappy, Welcome to the GNR. I saw a photo of you and Blackie a while ago on the site, you have not changed. I see Karl from time to time he is only 15 minutes away in a place called Sundra outside Springs, outside Johannesburg inside South Africa. He has started an auto electrical and light engineering shop. Pam went to Australia but last time I saw Karl he said she was back but have not yet seen her yet. I will ring Karl tomorrow for latest news and let you know. I still have a photo of you taken in Salisbury about 1972 or so, I tried to e mail you under 'Contact' but it would not connect, have you an e mail address if so e mail me yours. I see you are in Glasgow. I was born in Paisley in 1949 when it was a bit of a 'location' outside Glasgow but I think now it is all one big area. I left in 1950 cause I couldn't make any money there. 53 years later STILL trying to make some loot! Please use the GNR it is a great site and extremely entertaining and mind refreshing, my lifeline to the past, hated history at school but real life history is great (lekker in Scottish, don't you know the Gillies name goes back to the Battle of Largs in 1200 and something) genuine, I am a Braveheart descendant but the chicken variety. Keep in touch. Tony Edwards, wow I could tell a story about him! Cock D'Or salisbury one weekend cops and all. I wait for your reply!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 16:48:19 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks for posting those wonderful photos on Saturday. They took me back to the Luangwa I knew in the 60's and 70's - although the water level does seem to be particularly low this year - much lower than I remember it even towards the end of the dry season.
They do remind me of an occasion in 1965 (I think) when some friends and I, along with Piet de Haas, another Northerner and a member of this site, after a rather heavy and late night at the club in Fort Jameson went down into "the Valley" for the day. It only required a beer or two to return us to the state we'd been in the night before and by lunch-time we were both beyond worrying too much. So much so that we spent the greater part of the afternoon (it was in September and the weather was HOT) sitting in the river up to our necks in water to keep cool - and completely oblivious to the fact that it was a dangerous and totally irresponsible thing to do. Fortunately, the rest of the party were in rather better shape than Piet and I, so they kept a watching eye out for crocs, of which there were plenty, as you know. However, all was well and we returned home in one piece. But, as Piet reported when I contacted him recently, he didn't come away completely unscathed. The following week he was taken to hospital and treated for tetanus - must have been something in the water after all!
I note that you are concerned about Mark Powell acquiring something of an accent when he joins the privileged few (perhaps that should read many, or host or even throng!) of Northerners deciding to settle down-under. He will of course be aware that those who go to the other side - i.e. the East Coast - are much more likely to pick-up the unlovely strains of the true Strine than those of us who opted for the much more select and oh-so-refined West. But I realise I may need a little support from other WA Northerners to drive my point home. What more can I say - only a Sandgroper really knows how low a Banana-Bender can go. And if that makes any sense to anyone but an Aussie, you're a better man than I am Gunga Din!
And I wonder whether I've progressed from being a Northerner to a North-Westerner as a result of now living in WA.
Over to you. Regards, and thanks again.
ps. My own accent is still largely Cheshire rooinek pommie, despite 15 years in NRZam and 25 years in OZ.
I guess some things never change!!!
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 14:08:00 (UTC)
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JOHNNY GREEN...........
A "HUGE' thank you.........there are some very precious people on the GNR.......!!!
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 11:55:45 (UTC)
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Hi Pam,
Don't know if you remember me ,but I used to hang about with Tony Edwards,Kenny Hall and Chris Forde.We used to go to your house quite a lot.Tony was going out with Liz Ellis.Where is Karl these days?
Oh!regarding Mugabe,he is meant to be in 1Military Hospital in South Africa,apparently with a heart attack or something.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 09:09:32 (UTC)
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Pam (Claussen) Jones.
Pam - welcome to the GNR. Like Linda Dore I remember your brother Karl very well indeed. I have a vague recollection of your good self but if I am correct U were much younger than this old fella posting!!!! Please convey my best wishes to Karl.
Sarkyarthur. Superb postings/reports on your Zambian encounter. When does the book go into print???? I want an autographed 1st edition. Sorry we missed U at Master Powell's leaving party.
To those who have posted pictures recently - THANK YOU ALL. They are superb.
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 22:57:34 (UTC)
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Hi Pam (Claussen) Jones:
Good to see your name on the pending membership list. Tell Karl I said hello.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 22:31:15 (UTC)
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Sorry to disappoint everyone, but it's one or RGM's old chums.
Quote from allafrica.com
'Eddison Mudadirwa Zvobgo, the Zanu PF founder member long considered the heir apparent to President Robert Mugabe, is seriously ill and had to be flown out of the country to South Africa where he is receiving specialist treatment in a Capetown hospital.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 22:02:48 (UTC)
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RGM
Well, it sounds as though RGM is at least sick, in hospital, in Cape Town, receiving treatment.
Can anyone arrange for a limited duration power outage in the Western Cape, for a few hours?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 18:25:21 (UTC)
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high everyone. thanks for sharing you're holiday snaps, with us that could not make the bash for one reason or onother. some of us will never be able to get there, so the photo's and the stories become a wonderful trip for us, once again thank you all.. regards barry
Barry Morton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 09:45:35 (UTC)
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Chris, As regards Mugabe nothing on the UK news I would think it is only wishful thinking. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 08:02:59 (UTC)
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With Chris Drake's kind permission to answer his e-mail on the message board, Chris wrote:-
" Hello there Philip, My name is Chris Drake. Just read your story, you name Zack , I knew Zack he was a friend, he and I worked and went out as friends for years. Do you by any chance know if he is still alive?. last I know he lived in Chingola.
I left Kitwe in 1965, worked at Mindola. If you have any news of that man please let me know. I know of his Volvo I used to race him many a time ha you know what young guys are like. ha ha ?. It was white hey. I use to try and get him to buy a Simon Templer type just so I could call him a Saint Ha.
Did he go by the surname of Zackreski or Liebenberg I often wonder'd about that.
I really liked his mother she was a elec. motor winder if I remember.
Thanks if u have time let me know."
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the e-mail. The reason for answering your mail on the message board is that I feel that there may be someone out there who might be able to help us with news of these old friends.
If you remember there were two Liebenburg boys, Titch and Iggy and as you stated Mrs. Liebenburg was a wonderful old lady and did a fantastic job of raising the the boys as a single parent, doing a mans job as an armature winder for a firm in Kitwe.
Iggy told me that his dad died when he was still very young. Mr Liebenburg I believe was a famous hunter in the early days. I recall a picture in their house of him standing amoungst a pride of lions which he had shot.
The last I saw of Iggy was when I left Iscor in Pretoria at the end of 1968 and moved to Welkom. We were appies together at Iscor.
I don't know if Zack is still around as I also left Kitwe in 1965 and don't recall ever seeing him again.
You were right about his Volvo being white. Zack used to wear very thick lensed glasses as he had bad eyesight, which I was told was caused through malnutrition as a baby in in a concentration camp during the second world war. With Zack's poor eyesight and a Left Hand Drive car, made for a very interesting trip to Johannesburg.
As far as I know Zack never changed his surname from Zackreski. We called him Zack as a nickname as his first name was unprouncable.
What has happened to Titch and Iggy I have no idea. The last I heard of Iggy was that he had a road house/take away sonewhere on the road to Sun City outside Rustenburg.
When I think of Titch, I always associate him with his YDS2 Yammaha, red, white and chrome. It could go like a bat out of Hell. His was the only one in Kitwe at the time. The last time I saw Titch he was nursing some serious ROASTIES from a fall with his bike.
Anyone with news please give us a posting.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 05:14:13 (UTC)
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Northerners,
Here is a link to an interesting and sometimes funny article in today's "The Post" (Zambia) that I read about Sara Longwe, a Zambian woman and the challenges she faced in her professional career.
http://www.zamnet.zm/zamnet/post/homenews2.html#HOMED
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 01:37:45 (UTC)
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RGM Dead??
THere are all kinds of rumors flying around today regarding the passing of Robert Mugabe, along with a few denials.
Can anyone confirm anything at this point?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 00:45:20 (UTC)
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Ada Cantrell
Can you email me... do not have you mailing address, great party photo's re Mark and Lizzie's 'do' oh my grief did I really look that bad?
:o)
Graham and Fiona Wall (née Whaits) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newport South Wales, United Kingdom Monday, October 27, 2003 at 14:24:25 (UTC)
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Allan Cummings, Bill Jackson, Leslie Andrews
Best Wishes on your Birthday
CRAIG THE GREY-HAIRED ONE
Yes, things have been really bad for Craig and he jests not when he says my internet connection has been bad since he arrived in Lusaka. We have had a power problem with ZESCO blaming it on an internal problem and Behrens, who deal with our internal electrics, blaming ZESCO. Eventually, I got both parties in the same place at the same time and it was established that it was a ZESCO problem - a general overload in the area. But before they could sort it out, and despite having UPS's and surge arrestors, something happened and it burnt out all the equipment. They are now trying to blame it on a lightning strike!! But let's look on the bright side - the telephone is still working.
This was the last I saw of Craig when he could take it no longer.

PHILIP
We don't have Noddy badges any more because he is not PC. Instead we will give you a Kalulu badge. In the next day or two I'll put the photos that I took to the Lark with me on the board. Just have to try to straighten Alix out after her bungy jump.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Monday, October 27, 2003 at 09:08:33 (UTC)
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Philip Pain.
.......Thanks for the nice compliments, the photo you mention is about a year old...I must admit I am still the underside of 50... still a young thing.........giggles
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Monday, October 27, 2003 at 04:47:44 (UTC)
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Hi Bridget - yup computer is fixed now and I don't have to compete with William.
Had a great holiday in Tenerife; did some diving there...feeding stingrays was fantastic.
Yes I saw Peters photos of Vic Falls; the ones of him on the edge are amazing...only 360 feet to the bottom!!!
Neiles Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hull East Yorkshire, United Kingdom Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 19:01:51 (UTC)
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More Growing up in Nkana/Kitwe
24th. October 1964
At the start of the school holidays at around August/September 1964 my parents had booked train tickets to South Africa for a holiday and going with us was my friend Iggy Liebenburg. This was to be a great adventure for Iggy and myself as we were both sixteen and rearing to get to Durban.
About a week before we were to depart, there was a strike by the Rhodesian Railways and all rail transport came to a standstill. Well you can immagine the tremendious dissapointment that Iggy and I were experencing.
On the 22nd. of August My brother Arnold and Maggie got married and after the wedding Iggy and I were sulking about our fate, when Iggy's brother Zack offered to drive us down to Johannesburg from where we could catch the train to Durbs. Within an hour we were ready, packed and ready to roll.
Zack owned a Volvo B1800 Hunch back, left hand drive. Going through my old British Northern Rhodesia passport, we passed through Chirundu on the 22nd of August and Beit Bridge on the 23rd. and if I remember correctly it took us about eighteen hours from Kitwe to Johannesburg. (Boy! could that Volvo fly.)
Iggy and I had a fantastic holiday in Durban where we stayed with my sister and brother inlaw. They had left Garneton a few years earlier and had built a house in the new suburb of Yellow Wood Park.
In the meantime my parents had to wait for the strike to end before they could start their holiday and by the time they arrived it was time for Iggy and I to return home.
The return journey from Durban to Nkana by train was another adventure for two sixteen year olds. Again checking my passport we passed through immigration at Bulawayo on the 18th. September '64 and Livingstone on the 19th.
Now while we were away Arnold and Maggie were looking after our house in 4th Avenue and when I arrived home my" Boet" asked me to look after their flat in Gallway Avenue. (I think he just wanted me out of the way of the newly weds.) Now this was was right up my street. Sixteen and your own pad!!!!! (Arnold later made me go and appoligise to his next door neighbours, Mr. and Mrs. Mars for the noise. Mr. Mars ran the Astra ) Arnold's words later were, "you guys do what you want to, just keep it down." ( What a brother?)
As my parents only took leave every second year and took their accumilated package, they were away when Zambia became INDIPENDANT.
On the evening of the 24th. my mates and I had been into Edinbourgh Road and helped ourselves to many of the banners that were hanging from the lamp posts. These later became curtains in my first flat in Pretoria when I became an Appie at ISCOR.
It was about 11.00pm while watching T.V. and after all my friends had left that I heard a noise from the North of Kitwe stream. There was this roar, but distant. I decided to go and investigate, the flat was the second property from the corner of Edinbourgh Rd. and Gallway and when I got to the intersection and looked towards Lywellen Hospital there were thousands of black people comming down the road chanting.
As I stood there and they were getting closer and closer, I realised that they were breaking all the branches off all the trees they could reach and waving them in the air and making a terrible noise.
Well!
As a sixteen year old you might think you are MACHO. But I want to tell all of you that my mind suddenly filled with all the stories of the Mau-Mau's and more recently the Congo and decided that I must find a place to hide if things got nasty. Going back to the flat I decided that the best place to be was on the roof of the verandah, this was made of concerete and had a parapet behind which I could hide. I quickly found my way up and laid there untill the masses had passed by, heart thumping and expecting the worst. (I could see them from the roof )
The next morning when I went to have a look at where they had passed by, I could not believe the devistation of one of the most beautiful avenues in Kitwe, trees and shrubs destroyed, anything that could be broken was broken...........AFRICA !
To answer my own questions:-
I was on the roof of a flat
I was alone
S---ting myself.
I have to live with memories of a wonderful childhood.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 18:07:13 (UTC)
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Hi campers I have changed my em address to avoid getting any genuine messages getting mixed up with the spam but any one can still continue to use my old address if they want it just means I have got to look through the spam before deleting, regards to all Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 13:47:27 (UTC)
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Hey Neiles,
Glad you finally found time to catch up with the message board - I guess that's because you have unlimited access to the computer now William has left for university!! Did you look at the great photos of the Falls etc...? Did you have a good holiday? Is your e-mail working properly yet?
See how great the GNR is - it even helps siblings keep in touch!
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 08:24:22 (UTC)
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Heather - thank you so much for the wonderful selection of photographs. I spent a most enjoyable hour and a half going through them, going through them again....and again. A lovely way to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon.
June.
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 05:52:48 (UTC)
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Got It!
After a good look at the photo behind mine I see that it has been folded to pocket size and looks like it could have been in Craig's pocket when he jumped from the bridge.
Heather do I get a Noddy badge?
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 05:38:10 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur
Thank you, I have received the C.D. and can't wait to start exploring this weekend. I hope Lynne is up to doing the braai by herself and making sure there is always a cold beer at my elbow.
To the new members and those with short memories,
This is the C.D. from Arthur on the Rhokana Reviews which was awarded to me for one of my postings on the board about
Growing up in Nkana /Kitwe
"The Roman Candle"
To all the Larkers,
Thank you all who posted photo's and messages about your trip. It left me with some very mixed emotions.
Heather, thank you for taking my pic. to the lark. Who is that in the photo behind mine? ( Not fair, to post pictures of what we looked like when we were teenagers. ) If the picture is a recent one, I have definitely burnt the candle at both ends.
Some food for thought.................
The 24th October 1964.....Where were You?
Who were you with?
What were you doing?
How has your life changed?
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 05:12:46 (UTC)
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Just a quick hello
Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. As I think Heather may have mentioned, her Internet connection in Lusaka has been problematic since the day of my arrival. Coincidence? You decide. I haven't managed to read much more than just Arthur's excellent accounts of our trip, in between trying to do real work and tearing out my rapidly greying hair. I do promise to post my version of all events when I get some time.
Archiving the October Message Board
Archiving the message board is automated but, as many people have discovered in recent months, the most recently archived message board has errors until I come along and fix them manually. I will be away in the Kalahari until November 5th or 6th, or thereabouts, and so Arthur is going to have a go at fixing the problem himself on the 1st. You patience and understanding is appreciated.
Looking for Billy Charlton
I am posting this message on behalf of John McCartney. If you have the information he is looking for, please contact him (not me) directly at profmark@ozemail.com.au.
"Does anyone know where to contact Billy Charlton (Kitwe until at least the 70s)? He was at school at CBC in Kimberley (matric 1970) and the ex-students union would like to catch up with him. We would love to hear from ex-students from any of the CBC colleges in South Africa. Contact John McCartney at profmark@ozemail.com.au."
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 01:00:28 (UTC)
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Hartley Heatons posting about the Lusaka Diving Club takes me back to wonderful trips to the sunken lakes. I was a member of the Chingola Diving Club and during a long weekend at Kashiba - a sunken lake at St Anthony's Mission near Luansha - we met up with a group from the Lusaka club. I can't remember their names but we had a great time around the camp fire.
Are there any Mufulira contingent of the Chingola Diving Club out there? I remember many a weekend diving with Werner Hock, Alan Vaughan, Bill Gellatly,Pete King, Frank Ingram, Gordon Reed and others. Gill Main and Babs McGloughlin also did some diving. I think Werner Hock and Alan Vaughan were the first people to dive to the bottom of Kashiba (72 metres at the shallow end) not a stunt to be advised.
On one camping trip to Kashiba I went off to collect some firewood to set us up for the week and came across a dead tree close to the camp...a godsend. The tree stood bleached white in the sun and devoid of leaves and bark; perfect. I clambered up with my trusty bow saw and selected a large bough that would suffice. The branches of the bough were jammed in the neighbouring tree but once I cut it, it should fall free. I set to work with the saw until there was a crack of breaking wood. The bough fell away then the whole tree began to topple and crashed to the ground with a splintering of wood and a cloud of dust.
I was dazed, scratched and bruised but otherwise unhurt, The base of the tree was undermined by termites and the bough jammed into its neighbour was holding the tree up.
Neiles Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hull East Yorkshire, United Kingdom Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 19:47:32 (UTC)
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Last week I ordered a consignment of Biltong from John Glen. The service was superb... 3 days door to door, it is so professsionally made, excellent stuff but disappearing fast! Darn it....... I suppose I'll have to start rationing myself!
Geraint Lewis [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Paris, France Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 14:08:25 (UTC)
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ARTHUR
Remind me - who was the unfriendly Zambian that you came into contact with?
MEG RYBICKI
Tom McKenzie, your dad's friend, left here only about 18 months ago and is now living in Jo'burg.
Dennis Liwewe - a coincidence perhaps - Melvin Durai writes a column for the Lowdown every month and the November column is about Dennis.
I have your name on the list for Siavonga
SANDRA HOOPER
Copper clocks? I think so. I shall have a look in the shops.
CHRIS DRAKE
The Boating Club still exists, although it is not very active as a boating club, more the local watering hole.
Peter Bromwich
I guess keeping the mine going to the detriment of the environment and the people of Kabwe would be called mismanagement of the economy? And to think that Roy Welensky was involved in this too!! Ag nee, man!
Mark Powell
Is this move to Australia wise? Have you thought about what it's going to do to your accent?
PHOTOGRAPHS
Last week I promised to scan some of Craig's photos and post them. Sorry, but I ran out of time so will have to wait until Craig is back from South Africa in a few weeks time.
In the meantime, here are some photos taken on our trip to the Luangwa National Park
We saw most of the usual animals




but were also able to see Thornicroft's Giraffe which, like Mosi Lager and Broken Hill Man, is truly Zambian

But the highlights of the trip were:
on the first nightdrive when we managed, after a long search, to see leopard

and the next day when we saw this lion having a hard time of things before he got up and sauntered across the road to start feasting on a buffalo which had died the previous day after having got stuck in the mud of one of the lagoons

under the watchful eye of a vulture

That evening, before the rain started, we were able to see a lioness sauntering along the road

and another lion wandering off into the bush

During the day (and early evening) we were able to enjoy the quiet of the bush


and the Luangwa River


We also saw a python but I was too slow with the camera although Craig might have a semi-suitable picture.
And all the while, Bwana Craig enjoyed some Ting Ling ginger beer,

which was very different to the TingLing in his foot after the scorpion got him
Whilst up at Luangwa, we each bought a CD of African Bush Sounds which includes sounds such as the Ground Hornbill, Scops owl, spotted hyena, elephant's rumbling, fish eagle, Meyer's parrot, hippos and even Matabele ants. I think some of you might be interested.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 08:36:54 (UTC)
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Northerners !
I made an exception - here are some photos and images that have jumped the queue.
Liz and Mark
Bon Voyage !
As experienced bash attenders I will expect to to stir the Ozzie GNR's into having a bash as soon as you get over there !
So sorry I could not make it over to your party
Ada & Chris
How about organising a Battle of Hastings ?
Thanks for your e-mail - hope to see you in the not too distant future, I miss you "select" lot, the party pigs.
Scarscalp
I still have your phone number - It has been a dry summer and the salmon have not run yet - we need is plenty of rain in thge next few days - the salmon season closes at the end of the month - forecast looks good - wet and cold. If there's any chance to wet a line I'll give you a call. Other than that we'll just have to wet our throats, I'll call you if I'm up your way. Hugs to Debs.
Mr Knotty !
I never knew you had such talents !
Doug
Just got home for the weekend, if it rains I'm gone. I will post some more about Mark Bennett when the fishing's over.
Bob
Thanks for the contribution !
Happy Birthday Zambia !
Arthur
Please consider posting these Zambian stamps, thanks Arthur.
Cheers
Bob Allan
Melbourne
The GNR's answer to the Naked Chef!
Regards
Bill Hunt
Arthur
On Saturday 18 October 2003 a small, but select, group of GNR members attended Taunton Rugby Football Club to wish Mark and Lizzie Powell and family a fond farewell as they depart these shores for Brisbane, Australia. We presented Mark with an Australian rugby shirt and Lizzie with an Australian cap

Those attending were Graham and Debbie Nelson, Graham and Fiona Wall, Gary Big Man Brassington with Scott and Natasha and Chris and Ada (your photographer).
A wonderful time was had by all. Wish you were there, we missed you.
Love
Ada and Chris Cantrell
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Friday, October 24, 2003 at 22:38:16 (UTC)
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DOUG
I bought some biltong from John Glen - received it on Tuesday. It was very nice I must say. He obviously uses very good quaity beef. If only I had been able to make it last! I finished the last bit this evening sob sob!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Friday, October 24, 2003 at 18:11:05 (UTC)
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John (Tiger) Glen the son of the late John Glen of Mufulira has started a biltong selling business in the UK. You can visit his site at www.biltongbypost.co.uk
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, October 24, 2003 at 18:02:34 (UTC)
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During the 70's whenever there was a job that involved water the Zambian Government called on the assistance of the Lusaka Diving Club. I was not involved in the club but both my brother and brother-in-law were.
One day they had a call because a body had been discovered below the falls and was trapped over on the Zambian side. The only way down was to be lowered from the lip of the gorge in full diving kit to retrieve the body. My brother was involved in this one. The retrienal was done successfully but to all accounts was not a pretty sight. I have a newspaper clipping relating to the incident, not sure if they ever identified the body.
In another incident a bus ended up in the Zambezi at Katima Mulilo and I think it was about 29 persons killed including, I think, a government minister. Once again the Lusaka Diving Club were called on and flown down by the Zambian Airforce. I think the majority, if not all bodies were recovered from what had become a croc infested part of the river. For this my brother-in-law and 4 others were awarded by KK with the presentation of a medal. I think this was about September 1974, once again have newspaper clippings will have to look them up.
Happy Birthday Zambia, is it really 39 years since I sat in the stands just behind the 'royal' box watching proceedings.
It is also a sad day with Concorde making her last flight. She lands as Heathrow at about 4pm and is expected to be accompanied by two other Concords. Isn't it funny that we refer to each plane as if it was the only one.They are expecting in excess on 200,000 people around Heathrow this afternoon to watch the last landing. I think we are going to be unlucky as I thing they will be landing from the East otherwise we would have them aproach Heathrow right above us.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom Friday, October 24, 2003 at 11:41:53 (UTC)
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Great pics and narratives of late - congratulations to Arthur and Heather for their work. Having correspondents of their calibre defines the special quality of this site compared with others - like a quality broadsheet newspaper versus tabloids!
However, I digress. Whilst not wishing to be a spoilsport, I just wanted to add my voice to those warning of the dangers of swimming above the Vic Falls.
In the early seventies, my job required driving from Ndola to Livingstone every 6 weeks. I never missed the opportunity of visiting the awesome falls, and I too walked accross to the large island in the dry season.
However, late one afternoon (just before the sun was handing over to the moon to coin a delightful Zambian phrase), probably in Sept/Oct, I was close to the Knife's Edge Bridge when I saw a young hippo get into trouble with a fast section of river close to the edge of the falls. It struggled for a second, and then a dark shadow shrouded in spray dropped past me. The most vivid memory I have of the event, sadly a gory one, is of a sudden explosion of red on the rocks at the base of the falls, instantly swept away by the immense volume of water.
Be careful. I'd hate to hear that someone, encouraged by visiting our site, has met an untimely end.
Finally, sad to see that today heralds the last flight of Concorde. My brother and I were both fortunate to have flown on the graceful bird in the seventies. Sad to think that like our steam train trips to school in the sixties (Ndola - Bulawayo) we will now only have tales to tell our grandchildren. Coincidentally, the train trips were, of course via the Falls, and some of the trusty old Garratts that pulled us lie rusting nearby at Livingstone station.
Geoff Paynter [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa Friday, October 24, 2003 at 10:32:28 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Zambia! Let's hope things continue to improve.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, October 24, 2003 at 08:00:27 (UTC)
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Happy Independence Day, Zambia, home of wonderful people, happy memories, and a good part of our hearts; beautiful land of majestic fauna and flora. May the future bring you growth and prosperity.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, October 24, 2003 at 01:44:38 (UTC)
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This is to remind all members of the G. N. R. today - 24th October is Zambia's 39th Anniversary of Independence.
It is also United Nations Day.
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 23:32:30 (UTC)
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Arthur
Your point about using a Zambian screen saver is well taken and Peter Bennet's magnificent photos give us plenty to choose from.
I met Peter at the Lark and recall that he was a on a trip through Africa, but can you, or anyone else, tell us some more about him. His photos are certainly professional quality.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 20:16:05 (UTC)
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Re: swimming at the edge of Victoria Falls.
My daughter and I were in Zambia during December 2002 and spent a few days in the Livingstone area at the Zambezi Waterfront (which was fabulous) and a day at Victoria Falls with my cousin who still lives in Zambia. The rains had just started and luckily we were still able to walk across the top of the Falls and swim at the edge. Getting across the top of the Falls was an experience in itself and took about an hour, as in some spots the water was moving very rapidly and if you’d slipped and fallen, it would have been woopsie, over the edge and gone. We spent about an hour swimming at the edge, I believe near Livingstone Island (??) and it was rather comical, as there were people on the Zimbabwe side taking photo’s and video footage of us, I am sure the resulting images make us look like we are crazy!!! It was a fabulous experience and one that my very Canadian daughter will never forget. I highly recommend that if anyone has the chance to walk across the Falls and has an adventurous streak, to do it but understand that you are at the mercy of nature.
Mirana Beatty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 18:00:48 (UTC)
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NIAGARA FALLS.
Sadly, I'm an obsessive collector of trivia, which when I was young I used to try and remember so that I could bore acquaintances at a later date. Now, I simply read it. There is a superb collection of facts about going over Niagara Falls in a barrel (or less) on www.straightdope.com. The site is well worth a visit, and I try and go there almost as often as I visit the GNR site. I remember someone planning to go over Victoria Falls in a barrel when I was young, and being stopped.
There is an interesting, if sad, article in the latest New Yorker on suicides from the Golden Gate bridge, which includes a quote from a book that a young child read shortly before she jumped, and which pointed out that jumping from a height into water was usually fatal, and usually more successful than overdoses or poisons. When you jump from a height of more than 250 feet you hit the water at 75 mph, and at that speed there isn't much difference between water and concrete, but should you survive, you usually go so far under that you drown before you resurface.
I don’t know of anyone living after going over Victoria Falls but, even if they survived the drop, some of those who have survived going over Niagara have become trapped under the torrent of water and have suffocated in their barrel before it could pop free and float downstream.
KABWE MINES.
Could I disagree with Heather? I enjoyed the article, and am no defender of Anglo (Luanshya was in the other camp). I was a medical student in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and one of our lecturers had spent many years in Kitwe. During a seminar on meningitis in children he mentioned a condition that resembled childhood meningitis, but was related to lead poisoning, and was common in Kabwe. He mentioned that Anglo had been trying to close Kabwe for years (and I was told this over thirty years ago) but the government would not permit it. Roy Welensky was the first to object, and the others all followed suit. The concern was that closing the mine would be a body blow to Kabwe, and better a loss-making mine than a ghost town. Anglo’s point of view was that the mine was not profitable, was harming the environment, and the best interests of the country and the district would be served by closing it, rather than allowing pollution to continue.
XENOPHOBIC POLICEMEN.
A problem all over the world, and nobody can defend it. I don’t know if it’s the way they are trained, the type of person who becomes a policeman, or the way society treats them, but it happens here as well. Last year I was driving in Barcelona when I was stopped for a non-existent traffic offence. The policeman asked for all my documents, and then said I couldn’t drive in Spain on a British licence. So he confiscated the car.
When Laureen and I went to the pound a few days later to collect the car, and pay the huge fine for setting it free, the pound was full, with a few cars that were obviously death traps and better off the road, but oodles of cars from Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, and the UK. Obviously, foreigners were considered easy targets.
Even if your knowledge of Palestine in the first century AD is limited to dimly-remembered bible stories from school you will know that tax-collectors were then considered the lowest of the low. Governments now repeat the mantra of “No new taxes” or something similar, but then raise money in other ways. If you read the annual budget statements for the UK you find that every year the Chancellor sets the amount to be raised by the police in fines, and sometimes has the cheek to call his targets for them “challenging”. If the police are to be turned into the tax collecting arm of the government it’s hardly surprising that they join together and turn on outsiders.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 12:00:41 (UTC)
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Northerners,
"Hippo Beach" premiered on the "Nature" program on Public Broadcasting Service last weekend here in the States. It is about a hippo herd in the Luangwa river and I found it good viewing. Here are links to learn more and check local listings:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/hippo/index.html
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 06:03:14 (UTC)
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Thanks people for all those wonderfull photo's they just Fab. Can any one answer this question Is there still a Rowing and Boating Club on River ?.In the late 50's(late) and early 60's I rowed on the river 8's and 4's> Crazy hey ,one year a Hippo made a womens crew swim ashore and it was no laughing matter.
Just a thought when I look at the Vic Falls of today and think back.
Chris Drake
Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 05:12:03 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for the latest photos. I am a real sucker for African sunsets and this one is an absolute gem – needless to say it is now the wallpaper on my PC. I showed a couple of my work mates some of the photos which simply took their breath away. My heartfelt thanks to everyone for their postings and photos which stirred up so many memories.
By the way did anyone take any photos of Afcom House, Kaunda Square etc?
Heather
Do you know if one can still buy copper clocks in the shape of Zambia (or Africa)?
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 04:40:27 (UTC)
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" For a diversion from all the bedlam and meyhem, she sat down and clicked on the eye of the fish eagle, and what she saw through that eye was magic...The garden of eden.....
the power of one drop , and another and another....the mighty Mosi oa Tunya....."
Thankyou Artie and Peter........
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 03:42:27 (UTC)
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Arthur,
You are the one with a keen sense of humor. Thanks for posting those great piccies. That Bennett bloke is quite a guy - a kind of a modern day David Livingstone one might say?
Heather,
Good to know there are now a bunch of lodges on the river. I absolutely love that river. After moving to the US in the early 80's, I learned to fall in love with the Colorado river where it flows through the area between California, Arizona, and Nevada. There is a fish in there called Striped Bass (Stripers!). Their markings are remarkebly like the Tiger, sans teeth, and they do not come out the water standing on their tails either. None the less, a nice fish to catch, and great eating. Everytime I caught one, my mind raced back to the Zambezi in earlier years. That river runs mostly through the desert and that in itself makes it stunningly beautiful. There are a number of dams on the Colorado. The Parker dam backs up Lake Havasu, where we camped/fished at every opportunity. (London Bridge is there now. Yes, the real thing).
I have to get back to the Zambezi sometime. So many places to visit, so little time
Cheers
The Hopeless Hilo Monster (Tsk, Tsk!)
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 02:07:27 (UTC)
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Peter Dielissen:
I hope your ex's boyfriend and companion did not have their feet set in concrete in that barrel.
Heather:
Thanks for your report on BH Kabwe Mines, and soil contamination.
Occupational health is certainly a big issue in old lead mining areas, as lead, particularly in the oxidised state, is such a long-lasting danger, and cumulative in the human body.
If the soil really contains up to 20-25% Pb it is worth concentrating!- sulphidising with NaHS and float with butyl or amyl xanthate,. I did some lab work at Mount Isa in the 1980's on this issue. Looked economic, too.
I did not work at Kabwe, just Nchanga on copper.
Not guilty!
Bob A.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 01:41:16 (UTC)
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Woo Hoo! All Hail to Artie and Gorilla Pete. Now those are Pictures!!!!!!!! Fabulous selection and gorgeous shots of swimming at Falls edge.
Lovely one of the Bash bunch together too. Heart warming.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 00:28:18 (UTC)
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Does anyone remember DENNIS LIWEWE ?
I most certainly do! Especially when commentating on football matches played at Shinde Stadium, Mufulira - home to the:
MIGHTY MUFULIRA WANDERERS !!!!
Every time Sam 'ZOOM' Ndhlovu had the ball at his feet, not only did the crowd roar 'Z O O O O O M'
Dennis Liwewe would continue long afterwards in his own inimitable way - describing his every move - until finally WAIT FOR IT !
G O A L ! ! ! ! ! !
You're right there was only only one Dennis Liwewe, and might I say:
ONLY ONE SAM 'Z O O M' NDHLOVU
Many is the time I had Zoom in my sights ................
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 23:15:02 (UTC)
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LUMPA UPRISING
My dad was in the Zambian Rifles, and was called on during the "Lumpa Uprising", (he told my mom that he felt terrible about the way the whole episode was dealt with, and also there was unecessary loss of life and unwarrented destruction of Lumpa villages after they had been "neutralised" (his Officer,s words). Mom has an original (and horrifically bloodstained) piece of paper which was stamped and authorized by a senior member of the Lumpa Church, it was meant to give total protection from bullets or weapons; as it was taken as a grizzly souvenir off a dead body, we can only hope that person is at peace.
My dad wrote letters home when he was stationed near Chinsali, and mom wondered whether there was anyone on the GNR who was in the Rifles at that time (the letters are daated August l964, and though he was stationed in Chinsali, the letters had to be sent to Stephenson Barracks, Lusaka. In his letters he mentions a Capt. Deacon winning a shooting competition against a NRP mobile unit, (my dad lost the shooting comp. but won 15 shillings in side bets), he also said that the local population had gotten quite wise, and were selling chickens at 8 shillings instead of 2. Here is a short extract from his last letter home:
Hell, what a day, we went out on intelligence patrol with Capt Sheldon, Officer cadet Alan Foote, Lcpt Musole and self. We ended up in Lumdazi district with DO by the name of Mick Bond. I bought a couple of chicken for 1/3 a piece, and eggs at ld each, we saw about five burnt villages, both Lumpa and UNIP, went to Mulanga Mission where according to the papers ther e are about 2000 refugees, bunkum! There are close to 5000. Some are slowly drifting back, the rest are too scaared.The bush roads are shocking, I sat guard on the back of a landrover with Musale, and got horribly shaken up. We are leaving just now for E.Co with rations, they are camped towards Lumdasi district, 60 miles from here. Met my old pal Tom McKenzie at the 2nd NRR workshops this morning.
Do any of these names ring a bell to anyone out there on the GNR? My dad died when I was 3, and I really do not remember him at all, so it is really strange to read these letters from him, I gather that he was fond of chicken! Sorry to bore anyone who has already covererd the Lumpa story, but I only unearthed dad's letters ect yesterday, and thought I'd post an extract.
In a previous letter dated 27 Aug, 64, he writes, "on the way back to HQ helped to escort about 30 Lumpas to the cage, gave themselves up to "E Com", poor bastards. This morning our prowler guards were slightly confused about challenging intruders on the airstrip who happened to be a herd of 6 rhinos.
My father also mentions his MO, he told my mom that she had met him at the school fete, (Lusaka Boys School) the MO's name was Colin Waldren.
Thanks for the space to reminisce, fuzzily, on my dads behalf, and to thank most of the people who post on the board, this board shouldnt be used to rant or rave on, it is enjoyable because it is non contraversial, and for people who are scattered all around the globe to remind each other of the place we all call home. I got some sad news from an old friend, he visited my childhood home, 20 Sianjalika Road, Woodlands, and our house has been demolished completely! It will live forever in my memories, a big pink bungalow, bedecked with bouganvillia, with a short avenue of Cassia trees on either side of the driveway, and as Woodlands Stadium was right behind it, the roar of thousands of voices screaming G O A L, on match days. Does anyone remember the wonderful Denis Liwewe, the best footballer commentator ever, anywhere!
Heather, count me in for Siavonga! Ciao, Meg
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 22:26:30 (UTC)
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Tina and Northerners !
Hah! The picture on the link you posted Tina - looks nothing like Vic Falls to me, very suspicious. Looks like it was posed on the banks of the Kitwe Stream, never trust foreigners from continental Europe. Looks like they all went to Frederick Knapp for English lessons too.
If you're looking for the real thing though, here are a few from Peter Bennett

Peter Bennett asked me to take back to the UK a CD rom with some of his photos to put in the post over here. He had given me the Ok to take a look and post on the GNR whatever I felt may be of interest. The Cd was sat waiting to go until this weekend when I took a look what was on the CD. I think you will all like what I chose to display.





This is my candidate for the best Zambian sunset photo so far, perhaps we should all have a vote !

The Livingstone Lark

This photo I liked best and is now the wallpaper on my PC. Stunning power, a stunning composition Peter.
A few days ago I had an e-mail from Peter and since we dropped him off in Kapiri Mposhi, he tells me he has made his way up to Uganda and is now in the company of gorillas.
By the standard of the photos so far I'm looking forward to hearing from him when he returns to the UK later this year and seeing and hearing a lot more.
Safe journey Peter, and I know you are having a brilliant time.
Doug Grewar,
You greatly disappoint me, using photos for your computer wallpaper from a site in SA? Jislike !
Any of the Zambian photos right here on the GNR can be so used ! Most the ones on display have been reduced to a quarter or third in size of the originals and compressed as far as I dare to make them suitable for web display. If anyone would like a full size uncompressed photo to use as wallpaper for their own PC just send me an e-mail request.
Yukon Pete, Curly George and Chris Tamm,
Name calling ? - Well we all seemed to have picked up an unjustified name on the GNR over the years so about time Chris had his. I think maybe the Hopeless Hilo-monster.
Jesting aside, I am not about to cast a stone at anyone as I have used langauge in the past which could have caused offence and had been racial, we all have done this to some extent to each other and should have known better. But things have changed here and repetition will not be acceptable on the GNR. I hope that is loud and clear.
Ayub,
Granted no police force is without bigots and there are some very bad apples in every barrel, but the perfect Zambian Police don't have to travel that far to start their good work, perhaps they should pay a visit over the border to Zim to do a bit of their training.
As one who has seen the Zambian Police eye to eye in action recently it was very plain to me that a white person was more likely to end up fined at a speed trap and other offenders merely ticked off and walk off scott free. Same at the road blocks, car tax is only important if it has not been paid by a muzungu. Ask the locals. I would add that with one exception I found all the ordinary Zambians I came into contact with during my stay as the most friendly people on earth.
Arthur
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Stockport, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 22:14:34 (UTC)
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Ayub Ismail Zumla
Yes Ayub, it's frightening when the people you rely on to maintain law and order behave like that. I'm sure there is racism everywhere, from every colour and creed but that programme was disgusting. I hope the lot of them got sacked.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 18:59:18 (UTC)
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You don't have it so bad in Zambia folks! Here in the UK we appear to have outdated racist thoughts and ideas prevalent in the minds of some members of the Queen's Constabulary. Anyone who watched last night's BBC airing of "The Sleeping Policeman" must shudder at the thought of these scum(s) wanting to "kill Pakis" ....stopping Asian drivers just because of the colour of their skin....glorifying Hitler, condoning the Stephen Lawrence murder... What is more terrifying is the assertion made by these twits that these attitudes are well entrenched in the UK Police Force generally. Isn't it refreshing to know that at least the Zambian Police do not have such malicious attitudes towards non-blacks living in Zambia. Perhaps in this respect, the Zambian Police Force could send some of their training personnell to Manchester and show them that in this day and age..race should not matter. So lets not demean our homeland.
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 17:05:48 (UTC)
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Information on not quite going over the Falls.
On the Zambian side there are pools where you can swim on the very edge of the Falls in the dry season. Here is one picture of people doing it. There are other sites with pictures. Has anyone on the GNR experienced this?
See the following link, 5th photo down.
http://www.overlandexplorers.com/brian/travels/zambia/victoria_falls.shtml
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 15:21:24 (UTC)
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Celia Small, Peter Ellis
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Fiona Gayther, Chris Tamm
Helen Kaunda - in the Zambian tradition, mothers are very important and highly respected. Hence the naming of a school and various other places after KK's mother.
Bob Allan
The Kabwe Mines were closed down a few years ago as the mineral deposits left could no longer be economically extracted. This has had very serious implications for the town as the main (almost only) employer is now Zambia Railways. However, I understand that there is a small amount of zinc being mined, more or less manually.
There is currently a lot of work going on in Kabwe because of the high levels of lead being found in the soil to the west of the old mine. This is the article I published earlier this year:
Lusaka residents may feel that the environment within their city has seriously deteriorated over the past few years. But Kabwe residents have much greater cause to complain - the central province HQ has been described as one of the most polluted towns on earth.
The problem is the old lead, cadmium and zinc mining and processing plant that was shut down in 1994. While lead and zinc mining has been going on in the area for centuries, the town grew up round the activities of the Rhodesia Broken Hill Development Company which began commercial exploitation of minerals in the area in 1908. Eventually the company became part of ZCCM.
The issue was brought up by Dr Katele Kalumba recently (another diversion?), and government's response was that it was already taking action. But is that action adequate?
For many years before the closure, the mine had been emitting lead particles which contaminated the air, soil and vegetation around the town. While 0.04 per cent is considered the maximum acceptable soil concentration in residential areas, soil levels of over 500 times that amount have been recorded in areas close to the mine.
This means that the soil in those areas is almost 25 percent lead.
Lead poisoning can affect intelligence, attention span and coordination, and at higher levels, can cause brain damage, kidney problems, anaemia, osteoporosis and death.
The problem was well known to ZCCM, and whenever the company's employees visited its clinics and hospitals, they were routinely tested for lead levels in the blood. Most children reportedly showed levels of between 45 and 100 micrograms per decilitre. The more seriously affected were given chelation therapy (which has its own side effects) to help flush out heavy metals, and were then sent home to accumulate more lead. Education and advice does not seem to have been on ZCCM's programme. In fact concerned senior staff who wanted to see a more responsible attitude were throughout ZCCM's history, ushered out of the division or company.
Although the mine is closed, there are over 200 men, women and children still working as artisan miners on the mine dumps, scavenging for scrap lead and other metals. Blood samples were taken from 16 randomly chosen artisan miners on 21 September 2002, and these were found to contain from 60 to 100 micrograms per deciliter. Nine of them had levels of over 80 and could be classified as medical emergencies. Samples have continued to be taken and all are of grave concern.
Yet there are no doctors in Zambia who are highly conversant with lead poisoning, or who have the relevant medication available. The Central Board of Health does recognise the problem and has placed the initial onus and responsibility of continued health care and remediation on ZCCM-IH. But a clear policy is needed.
According to a paper by the Blacksmith Institute, a US-based environmental organisation, "socialism, government control of the mining company, decades of cover up, and poverty", are all to blame for Kabwe's health problems.
The greatest concern is being shown by two non-governmental organisations - the Kitwe-based Citizens for a Better Environment (CBE), under Peter Sinkamba, and the Kabwe Environmental and Rehabilitation Foundation (KERF), established by Kapumpe Valentine Musakanya who has worked on and studied the environmental and social aspect of Kabwe Mine since 1994, initially as part of the Decommissioning Team. The two organisations have rather different approaches. CBE tends to be confrontational, and together with Afronet it has raised a complaint with the UN. It is proposing to sue Anglo-American for US$250 million for past damage done by the company. "Anglo must not be allowed to run away from its present and past responsibilities," says Sinkamba. However local residents feel that CBE's approach will not benefit them in the end.
KERF favours a softly-softly approach in which education and persuasion are key factors, and the task of finding practical solutions to the problem with all stakeholders, including ZCCM-IH, is high on the agenda. KERF recognises that while the problem is primarily an environmental health problem the solutions fit appropriately into a community and development project for the town. Nutrition for example is a key factor in absorption of lead by the human body.
Unfortunately some of the other key players have not been as cooperative as KERF would have liked. Attempts have been made in the past, by people claiming to represent stakeholders, to prevent KERF field staff from accessing the dumps or working with communities in Chowa.
However the NGO is working to address the matter through improved communication amongst all stakeholders, as the alternative is not in anybody’s interest. The Mines Safety department has been fairly encouraging, but there is not much contact between KERF and the Central Board of Health, the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Environment and Tourism.
Kabwe Municipal Council appreciates the work of KERF, which is currently building a Community and Health Centre in one of the most affected areas to coordinate the work and are planning to provide labour for landscaping work in the town as a method of providing artisan miners with alternative employment.
The response of the Environmental Council of Zambia (ECZ), when shown the Blacksmith paper, was rather defensive, querying minor inaccuracies in the article, and who wrote it and whether it was really from the Blacksmith Institute (easy enough for ECZ to verify this by accessing the website).
However ECZ says it is working with ZCCM-Investment Holdings (ZCCM-IH) on the Copperbelt Environment Programme (CEP) sponsored by the World Bank. It plans to enact statutory limits for lead levels in soils. These limits of course will have little effect on the already highly contaminated areas. More useful are the ECZ's warnings to the local people against use of water from around the mine, and its enforced shifting of settlers away from the immediate plant area. These however need to be done methodically and frequently. It is not much use proudly proclaiming in February that "Only last September ECZ went there to monitor the situation … " Four or five months is a long time when health and life are at stake.
KERF says it has a "very cordial relationship with ECZ", and visits them at least twice monthly to update them. ECZ however claimed to be dealing only with ZCCM-IH.
Local people have complained that the CEP is too theoretical and has not benefited the people. The World Bank were due to present a paper at a meeting of the CEP in mid-March, and it remains to be seen whether practical solutions will come out of that. The provision of milk to the children could help them absorb the toxic materials. The British government used to provide free milk daily to schoolchildren, a far-sighted move that was discontinued in the 1970s. This could be done in Zambia too, and especially in Kabwe, but the cost would be high. With World Bank help, however, it could become a practical reality.
KERF continues to collect data on lead levels by means of free voluntary blood testing. It continues to educate the public about the need to keep houses free of dust, avoid unnecessary contact with contaminated water and soil, ensure that children wash their hands after playing in affected areas, ensure good nutrition, and grow grass or compact the soil and cover it with pebbles. It continues to offer training and sensitisation workshops for medical personnel. And most importantly it continues to emphasise that lead poisoning can be treated, prevented, and in the vast majority of cases reversed - in other words: that there are solutions, provided that a collaborative approach can be made.
No, I haven't yet had time to find out about the fuel depot fire in Kitwe but have not forgotten.
Linda Hayes
Yes, I am serious about Siavonga in 2005. Maurice Diamond will be building some additional rooms, bringing the total number of rooms up to 65, so it would be a good place for a reunion. And there is much to do in Siavonga - fishing on the Lake or fishing for vundu just below the dam wall, parasailing, skiing, windsurfing, booze cruises, wakeboarding, sailing, a vist to the dam wall and perhaps a trip around the power station or just lolling about in the air conditioned bar.
And then after that, I thought we could travel anti-clockwise round the country with Reunions every two years - Lower Zambezi, Mpata Gorge, Luangwa Valley, Lake Tanganyika, Shiwa Ng'andu and so on until we get back to Livingstone again.
Craig and I might get up to the Kitwe area before he leaves here and if we do, I shall see what I can do about a photo for you. Apart from that I don't have any plans to go up there, but as someone said to me last week, 'I shall shortly be growing wheels on my backside' so I am sure it will not be long before I am on the Copperbelt again.
Chris Tamm
Mvuu Lodge is 48 kms by road after the pontoon across the Kafue, more or less halfway between the confluence and the Lower Zambezi Game Park. The confluence is still a good place for fishing for vundu and is now very easy to get to - 18 km along a fairly good dirt road to Gwabi Lodge where you launch your boat and then boat down to the confluence.
Mvuu Lodge is only one of the lodges that has been built along the Zambezi between the Kafue and the Chongwe Rivers in the last eight to ten years. There are now ten or so, varying in price and facilities.
Tiger is a very tasty fish. We usually cook it whole, in tin foil with lemon juice and butter. It is best eaten by hand, where you take a small bit of flesh, remove any bones and scoff it. Alternatively, it can be pickled which results in the bones going soft. It is never muddy. That seems to be the preserve of the bream, either river or lake.
Lake bream is now easily available although there have been a few problems recently regarding environmental issues. However, it appears that these have now all be resolved and those involved will be able to get on with the business of producing pan-sized bream.
Ali Key
I currently have the smiling jaws of Craig's tiger buried in my garden where the ants are supposed to be cleaning them so that he can return with them to Vancouver.
Doug Grewar
I agree with you about our national anthem. However, we can match 'Inkosi Sikelela iAfrica' with our 'Tiyende Pamodzi' which unfortunately, since the removal of KK, is no longer heard
If one wants to visit Shiwa, one can stay at Kapishya just down the road, which was where Arthur, Craig and I stayed on our visit.
Peter Dielissen
I assume you are talking Canadian Dollars, so that would make your newspaper about 40 US cents. That is more or less what our newspapers here cost too. And many things you will find, when converted to US Dollars, are a lot cheaper than they are in the western world. For example a beer will cost you US$ 0.50.
George Maxwell
We have a date for 2005.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 11:52:47 (UTC)
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Niagara Falls
I lived in Niagara Falls in 1986/87.
My wife and I split up there and her new boyfriend Peter DeBernardi went over the falls in 1989 with someone else in a barrel supposedly as an anti drug crusade. That very Xmas she died of a drug overdose...
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 10:55:02 (UTC)
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I see in the news that some twit has just floated (deliberately) over Niagara Falls without a barrel or other protection and survived!
Does anyone know of anyone going over Victoria Falls (a) and surviving or
(b) not surviving?
This (a) would be quite a feat since "Mosi oa Tunya" is twice as high as Niagara!
Another item- (stirring the ashes)
Heather:
Have you had a chance since returning from the Great Lark (and to draw breath!) to consult the archives to resolve the issue of the Total/Shell Petrol Dump Fire?
I think the weight of opinion so far is for October 1966.
Let's put an end to this "King Charles' Head".
Thanks
Bob A.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 01:38:22 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt..Tina..
Thanks for bringing a little culture into the postings....I will always have new visions of swan lake when I hear the strains of Tchaikovsky....I wonder what he would have called that particular danse....hmmmm Danse of the Zambezi tulle ???
Like Tina I love the inane fuzziness (visions of fuzzy tutus spring to mind.........giggles) of the postings here....ok, we all have our opinions about the economy of NR/Zambia....the politics.and yes sometimes they get aired on the site......so be it, right or wrong ...........and there will always be a difference of opinion.......But when people like Chris Tamm who specificaly vent their particular venom to get a reaction it makes the journey along the great north road very tiresome......Chris how about posting some of your adventures in NR/Zambia...you may actually get some positive feedback...but then maybe you just love wallowing in negativity....
Johnny...I have been getting your emails.thanks.....
Ali
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Perth, Australia Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 01:21:29 (UTC)
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Bill
I agree with Tina - thank you... what a laugh and how refreshing. Now I am very curious to know the name of the ballerina involved.
(I've sort of gone off the board a bit with this weekends postings - know what I mean? So yours was very welcome light relief.)
I'll sign off with a smile...
P.S.
If anyone was curious about the photo of Arthur I mentioned before - it's him with his tiger, right hand side of the page we 'post a messages' on.
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 00:34:49 (UTC)
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Bill
That poor girl, but what a great story! Sort of Swan Lake by Sam Pekinpah. I must admit none of my boyfriends actually shot me. In fact nothing more exciting than trying to slide me sideways into a series of trees cornering at about 90. Tame stuff. But what about the trophy? Wasn't he even able to get just a little bit of tutu to stick on a bit of wood on the wall? Shame!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 00:08:55 (UTC)
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Tina Magee
Tina, here's a true 'tail' that may lighten things up a bit on the GNR, albeit it has a bum ending!
My since deceased best friend, who nevertheless shall remain nameless, was a great white hunter of all wild things in the Bundu & also of Copperbelt damsels.
This particular day he chose to combine both pastimes.
The bundu trip had been quite successful: a brace of green pigeon & various other potable birds. Since his current female object of affection's house was on his return route, he felt the need to strut his hunting prowess to her.
This lovely maiden was a ballerina of note & as it happened, had just returned from a ballet class resplendent in her unsullied white tutu.
My friend & his bun were duly ensconced on the couch of the her verandah & about to indulge in a bit of vreyerey when her father decided to keep an eye on things & parked himself opposite the couple & pretended to read the Sunday Times.
My friend's reputation of his many romantic conquests was well known to the father & he was determined to keep things on a very short leash! He never liked the guy anyway.
Proper decorum thus having been restored to the scene, my friend changed his tack & launched into a gesticulative & vocal narrative of his latest hunting expedition.
He waved his new Brno .22 long rifle around the room as he described how he had stalked his prey. The father had the temerity to ask if the weapon was unloaded & Don Juan said "But of course!" & demonstrated by pulling the trigger.
A bang & the bullet wended its way thru the Prima Donna's buttock, ricocheted against the floor, wall, & into the fibreboard ceiling.
A lot of screaming, profanities & of course buckets of blood all over the lovely white tutu.
My friend was a Boy Scout & he knew a bit about control of bleeding via first aid pressure points.
A point that came to mind was the femoral artery, & he remembered vividly that it was a delicate area & could lead to legal action from the patient if this method was used indiscreetly.
In any event he did not get the opportunity to practise this interesting bit of his training!
The enraged father punched him to the ground & rushed the daughter to the mine hospital.
Glad to say the projectile had passed thru the maximus glutinous without striking any bone, artery or nerve. A clean flesh wound as they say, & she was soon back dancing.
Needless to say it was the end of a "Fine Romance"
Hope this restores Sanity to THE SITE!!
Best regards
Bill
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 20:53:08 (UTC)
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Sorry I can't go on anymore - I have to put my feelings down.
I think most people agree that there was gross mismanagement by the Zambian government and most, if not all of us, are aware of the cause. However what I object to is the way Chris Tamm airs his views. Most of us like to bathe in the warm fuzzyness of our childhood - that is why we keep logging onto the site. We like to know that there are hundreds of people like us who feel "misplaced". We like to reminisce, we like to exchange light hearted banter and mostly like to log off with a smile on our faces.
I am aware of the problems that Zambia had and has and, and I feel desparately sorry for my birth place and the Zambians who still live there. But I do not want to keep reading Chris Tamms argumentative rantings and belittling "put downs" of other peoples postings. In fact I have reached the stage where when I see his name I just skip the posting!
Do us a fovour Chris and go and whip up passions on some other web site - you are borish and bullying and making people switch off in droves!!
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 20:37:29 (UTC)
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Kerry and Glen...
Your newspapers are in the mail....
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 19:32:01 (UTC)
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George
Do me a favour and start my education, what exactly does houtless mean?
I probably could give you an explanation George, but that would not be PC here. I think it was Churchill who once remarked that no nation will ever be great until people can laugh about themselves. Is it fair to say that Zambia has a long way to go? In todays world, one can never be certain just exactly what racism is. If one can (justifiably) lay the blame of Zambia's economic failure at the feet of KK, the Cabinet, and middle/upper management in commerce and industry, then is that observation racism? Or is beating an unfortunate farmhand with a shambok, perhaps for no good reason, racism? You decide.
But laying the blame for Zambia's collapse at the feet of people like me? Now that is a twist that leaves me short for words.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 18:42:35 (UTC)
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Um - just my lone voice and opinion. Some postings people have to answer and that's been brilliantly done but now, at this point, may I ask haven't we pretty much chosen to be a Zambian information and warm fuzzies site because the old adages about never discussing politics and religion hold true? They usually just get everyone going. And we can all think of a "perfect answer" to post so it all keeps on. Ultimately we must agree, or strongly disagree mostly, to differ. Chris Tamm is a veteran and vested stirrer and his politics are well aired elsewhere on the web south of the Zambezi. It's what he does. Can we take the barneys off line now into email please. I miss the elephant pictures and I like my inanities gentler. You know any good elephant stories without inflammatory language Chris?
Having said that, thanks to Norm and also everyone who emailed for their stories of buddhist haircuts gone wrong. It seems everyone has stories. One GNR honey wrote to tell of having to fill in a shaved-nearly-bald head spot on a relative with mascara so he could go to an interview.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 18:06:45 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm
Do me a favour and start my education, what exactly does houtless mean?
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 18:05:16 (UTC)
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George Maxwell spews forth
You are correct, you are a man with views, and you are free to express them, but it is a***holes like you that cost us our home land. I do hope to meet you in 2005, when we can enter into a full 'debate' on economics.
George, I also said that I can back up everything I say here.Can you?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 17:39:17 (UTC)
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I lurk here and enjoy the banter, but rarely post.
From my observations, it would seem as though any post, pointing out the obvious in regard to rampant corruption and mismanagement of the economy and resources is met by cries of "racism.'
Zambia's problems are manifest, failing to admit to the cause is the biggest.
Robert Huntley [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Carmel, California, United States Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 15:33:02 (UTC)
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Johnny, I have had the same spam problem with my virgin.net account and on their recommendation, I now forward my mail from there to a yahoo account and let their filters take out the junk mail. Strangely enough, it works too with very few spams getting through. It works the same on Hotmail as well. The other option which works extremely well unless you're getting hundreds, is to use Mailwasher. With that, you don't download them onto your computer (avoiding the virus risk) and have the option to automatically delete them and bounce them back to whoever sent them. Just takes longer.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 15:27:46 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Your narrative about your time in Kitwe brought me to tears and with every photo I got a fresh lump in my throat. I have not been back there since 1968. Can I ask if you know of a street called Chaucer Close ? Thank you again for such a wonderful read.
June,
Thank you for the photo of OK Bazaars. It is wonderful and as I remembered it
Jo
Jo Sloan (née Hill) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Adelaide, Australia Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 14:17:37 (UTC)
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Peter
I regret losing my cool and resorting to name calling, but the open expression of racism on these pages angered me beyond belief. Elias was heavily censured for posting a link to a bboard where offensive language was used, in this case we have offensive language (in addition to mine) being used on this month's board , perhaps my posting was not overt enough in expressing what bothered me. I am not happy to be associated with racists, in person, in conversation, or electronically - pure and simple.
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 12:39:19 (UTC)
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George writes "You are correct, you are a man with views, and you are free to express them, but it is a***holes like you that cost us our home land
My view is quite different - The current state of lost our homeland and for that matter most of Africa is due to wide spread corruption at all levels and gross mismanagement - period. And no, this does not make me happy, rather quite sad that people are very reluctant to face the truth. Seems blaming everything else is much easier.
Maybe we can discuss this like adults without name calling?
My tuppence worth...
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 08:17:49 (UTC)
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Johnny........
Maybe it is because I am too quiet....giggles......that you haven't been told off........
Since I have changed my emails (touch good Rhodesian Teak.......Marula.....or Flame trees ) I have not received any more spams.......I have had to keep my old email address as it means more Kerfuffle for my server and I to sort out.BUT......it will be deleted from my mail box anyday......and if I need to use a return email address for any website ......apart from the GNR..( a site I can trust..)..I will use the old one.....or another one I have....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 07:14:56 (UTC)
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Heather
Thanks for the birthday wishes I celebrated my increasing age by using a regression technique - I went to see 'Finding Nemo'. I noticed at the ticket booth that they had a sign saying 'Under no circumstances should this man be allowed in to see the fish movie' next to the sign there was a picture of a man with greying hair, moustache and blue short sleeved shirt!
2005
Try and keep me away.
Arthur
Thanks for the photos of my old home in Nkana, I notice that the little children are sitting in exactly the same spot as we did as kids. I wonder if they have found my dad's WW2 medals which I buried as part of a treasure hunt game and never managed to find again?
Is the croc man on email and can he accept payments by Paypal?
Chris Tamm
You are correct, you are a man with views, and you are free to express them, but it is a***holes like you that cost us our home land. I do hope to meet you in 2005, when we can enter into a full 'debate' on economics.
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 07:00:21 (UTC)
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Linda I never get any complaints from Alix, but I have got that problem myself, I am recieving hundreds of spam ems every day from the USA but I canot recieve any personal Ems and it is driving me mad i am going to have to get in an expert at £ 25 per hour unless some fundi can give me the solution on here, I am going to alter my address to thwart the spammers and will let every one know when I do change it, not on here of course but by personal em, I think I can still send out a message but of course I canot be sure of that with no return contact, Yes that was a great bash at Banbury and I think we should have another one in the Uk for the people who canot make the larks abroad in about 12 months time, sorry to the people that have sent me a message and have had no reply if any one has anything urgent for me they can contact me on here regards to all Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 05:26:17 (UTC)
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Hello Jilly
Have been following your postings but just very busy with new business and divorce proceedings.
Glad you had a good time with Arthur and Kathie de Lange, I believe they live in Vancouver so I should try to contact them.
Chris Drake.
Yup, the fires were amazing. Fortunately we live on the other side of Okanagan Lake. The almanack says not much snow for this year but watch out for the year after.
Cheers to all
Roger
Roger Ward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Westbank, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, October 21, 2003 at 01:39:51 (UTC)
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Johnny Green:
For goodness sake pull yourself together, man, and stop sending Ali pictures of yourself. You've got the poor woman thinking she is being spammed by porno and had to get a new email address. Shame on you!
I was looking at some old photos this weekend and found the one of you and I standing at the Banbury Bash with you in that long dark wig and moustache. What a larf we all had when you first walked in like that and we were all wondering who the heck you were. Me most of all because I thought for one horrified minute that you were a once very dashing Howard Silk gone to seed. Great memories of that reunion.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Monday, October 20, 2003 at 23:14:07 (UTC)
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Hello Everybody, especially Sarks
Loved it, like a "Talking Book" visualized. Thankyou guys for sharing, am still feeling rather "barbed" as I couldn't attend but hey maybe next time.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland Monday, October 20, 2003 at 21:45:51 (UTC)
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Guess who came to dinner last night?
Arthur and Kathie de Lange spent last night with us on their epic tour of Southern and Central Africa! We met them at the Lark - we were all staying at Maramba River Lodge - and we have made friends for life! Aunty Jill is worrying about them as they drive down to the Drakensberg, but they are doing well and enjoying every minute of their African experience.
And, Batu - looking forward to your offer of Brekkies tomorrow!
Howzit Roger ward - where were you? Ya should've made it to the lark!
JP
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Monday, October 20, 2003 at 19:25:03 (UTC)
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Hey Doug,
How come the photo I took of you and Francois at the Falls makes the two of you look like presenters from "Going Nowhere" but the photo of me with the guy who "nearly didn't tape the bungi jump" makes me look like someone from out of the Adams family? On second thoughts, don't answer that one!! Loved all the other photos though - looks as though you had a great time in Lusaka. Saw all Hartley's photos on his return to Jhb - can't wait for those to be "published".
Arthur, shall email you from the office tomorrow - there's been a hic up in my email but I believe it has been "sorted" - (The new buzz word around nowadays - goes with "hundreds!!")
Am going to be in Cape Town over the weekend of the 7/8/9th November, Charlie C, so, may pop in and say Hi. How're you doing? Daffy is busy watching the annual Tiger Fishing Competition down at Kariba, on television and is in fits of laughter. Must go and see what the joke is. For all the folk sitting in the UK - wondering why you ever left Africa - don't - It's 8 degrees here in Johannesburg this evening and I'm off to the Drakensburg for the weekend and it's snowing there!!!!!
Michael, (sibling of mine) - if you ever do get onto the site to look at the photos, do become a member and let's hear from you.
'night all you wonderful people!!
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa Monday, October 20, 2003 at 19:16:20 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar admishes:
Chris Tamm
I rarely agree with you because most of your contributions to our board are negative. While you may think that you are injecting a modicum of reality (especially about economics) into our somewhat inane meanderings, who likes injections anyway. If you want to see economic insanity you have to look no further than the NYSE and Grasso's salary of $140 million for presiding over one of the biggest capital losses in history: or the WorldCom fiasco etc. etc.
You are entitled to your opinion, but when you start using racist terms like "houtless" you reduce your own status. This sort of terminology is out of date and in poor taste. I was beginning to think a new, improved Chris Tamm was evolving by the tone of some of your postings, but this is disappointing.
Come on Doug, there is nothing ever negative in the stuff I write. I love to read the "inane" stuff here, and relish the reports and photos that folks post here. What Rhodesian (north or south) would not?
But when people begin to re write or seriously distort the recent history of our former homeland, then it is my deemed responsibilty to attempt to provide the other side of the coin. Yes I do have firm views, but can back up these positions, and never push them, except in response to patent untruths about recent Zambia economic history.
More photos asseblief.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Monday, October 20, 2003 at 18:24:19 (UTC)
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Tina....
I am getting my emails to you returned..is there something wrong with your server....?
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Monday, October 20, 2003 at 13:16:21 (UTC)
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Arthur,
As I write this message I'm looking at the photo of you holding your beloved 'Tiger.' What a great photo. Your narrative of your Lark trip was lovely. The photos brought the memories flooding back and I did try to feel the ambience of each photo. It worked! I could almost smell the damp sand and hear the sounds of the bush. Magic.
I really liked the photos of the Shiva chapel and house (castle?). It's incredible to see such a beautiful building in one photo and then click on the villages and the local buildings. So many contrasts.
Yes, I agree with so many others, write a book but not if it interrupts your writings on the GNR!
Thank you for all the time you put into sharing your trip with us.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Monday, October 20, 2003 at 07:51:10 (UTC)
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Hi All after being hammered by nasty pornagraphic emails.....(SPAM)
I have now changed my email address......I have sent it to all those in my address book....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Monday, October 20, 2003 at 05:57:25 (UTC)
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Hi to Patrick, Chris and Suzan...
Your newspapers will be in the mail tomorrow.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 21:22:48 (UTC)
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Thank you for sharing the great photos and narratives that have been contributed from so many Livingsone larkers.
Obviously a serious error of judgement on my part for not being there!
PATRICIA JOHNSTONE........are you there.....lurking?
Please e-mail me.
Cheers to all
Roger Ward
Roger Ward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Westbank, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 21:02:59 (UTC)
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Hi Guys & Dolls,
Greetings to all old friends and new from Peter Morris.
Just spent a wonderful afternoon going thru all the messages of the month and what nice memories came flooding back. I've been gone a while due to all sorts of reasons like kidney stones, building renovations, installing a jacuzzi, trying to keep up with all the changing legislation regarding my future income, etc.... but have, from time to time, kept in touch with others who have updated me on the state of affairs of our GNR.
So pleased the Livingstone Lark turned out such a wonderful success. Congrats to all those who made it all possible, Heather, Craig, Kevin and others.
Charlie, sorry to have been out of touch so long but will be in Cape Town late Nov early Dec 03 so do hope to touch sides with you later. I understand you've been ill?
Miss Dore, good to see you still hanging in there, Missy!
Not much news from Pinetown for you!
Hartley, good to see you managed the trip to, please pass on my salaams to your brother Dave for me.
Wayne, I notice you are now in EL. Maybe you could drop me an e-mail and I can bring you up to date with a few things.
Arthur, if you don't mind could you please contact me with regard to the revised URL address of the St Stephen's website.
Those who remain unnamed this posting I promise to endeavour getting round to making my aquaintance with each of you the next few postings when next I visit the GNR message board.
Take care one and all and do
"Hold Fast"
as any good MacLeod would say!
Speedy.
Peter Morris
Peter [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 16:35:23 (UTC)
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In response to Heather's eloquent posting about the economics of aid to Zambia. Please log on to www.harvesthelp.org if you are interested in supporting a charity which is specific to Zambia and Malawi. I was introduced to this charity a couple of years ago and am impressed by the "hands-on" work they are doing in the rural areas by encouraging sustainable farming, helping to set up Village Banks, growing 'winter maize' and many other things. I went to one of their open days and met Emma Sitambuli who is the co-ordinator of the Forum for Sustainable Agriculture. Log on and read the newsletter for yourself.
Remember, also, to log on to www.thehungersite.com every day to click for free donations to their schemes. We may not be able to do everything but we can do something.
Rachel Mounsey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, United Kingdom Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 15:09:37 (UTC)
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Northeners...
Inflation....
Yesterday I was reading a bunch of Zambian newspapers. It was hard for me to relate to the inflation rate in Zambia until now.
In 1963 I started out working for Rhodesia Railways straight from school for the princely sum of 381 Pounds per annumm or 762 Kwachas per year. Today just a newspaper in Zambia costs 2,000 Kwachas almost three times my 1963 annual salary.
I came to Canada in 1966 and started earning $100/week or $5,200/year. A newspaper then was 10 cents and is now 50 cents here in Fredericton.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 13:51:02 (UTC)
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Northeners in North America...
I have a bunch of Zambian newspapers to pass on from May this year. If anyone wants some just send me your snail mail address and I'll mail you some.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 13:09:56 (UTC)
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Barrie
Thanks for the free popup blocker from panicware.com. it works fine.
Bob Allan
Thank for the shiwangandu.com site. Very interesting but at $300 a day a bit pricey. Did you ever visit there while the old boy was still alive, during your travels with the NRP. I had heard of him while I lived in Zambia but now that I have read his biography, "The Africa House", and visited Shiwa in 2000, I wish I had met him.
Northerners
Check www.goingnowhereslowly.com for some interesting Southern African pictures that can be downloaded as a screen saver.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 11:41:21 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm
I rarely agree with you because most of your contributions to our board are negative. While you may think that you are injecting a modicum of reality (especially about economics) into our somewhat inane meanderings, who likes injections anyway. If you want to see economic insanity you have to look no further than the NYSE and Grasso's salary of $140 million for presiding over one of the biggest capital losses in history: or the WorldCom fiasco etc. etc.
You are entitled to your opinion, but when you start using racist terms like "houtless" you reduce your own status. This sort of terminology is out of date and in poor taste. I was beginning to think a new, improved Chris Tamm was evolving by the tone of some of your postings, but this is disappointing.
Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 04:57:18 (UTC)
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Hi Larkers,
This is from a lurker.
First of all Arthur your discription and photos of your trip are outstanding. Thank you.
Robert Allan.
In answer to your question as to whether the Kabwe mine is operative. According to my husband who supplies the Zambian mines with tyres he says that it is not. They were told that the workers were going to take it over (become share holders ) but nothing has happened as yet.
Cheers to you all,
Pam Smillie
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Johannesburg, South Africa Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 19:05:01 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur,
Thanks for all the great photos. It is like having second and third helpings of a favorite meal.




Here are a few that I took. Maybe some of them are worth posting on the board.
Best Regards - Doug
(Thanks Doug - I didn't see any Ting Ling on sale ! - Arthur)
Northerners !
Thank you all for the really unexpected compliments on my posting. I just put down a very tiny bit of what I thought and saw and felt; and I nearly deleted it because it waffled on too much. Doug - I would not describe it as "the finest hour" you made me larf at that one!
There is a glaring error in the posting, when I went back and actually read over what I had said, I see I have incorrectly put arriving in Kapiri Mposhi before Broken Hill when travelling north from Lusaka to the Copperbelt. Sorry for that - the photos are correct though, they are of Kabwe.
We can all see from just a few quick snapshots taken along the way on my journey, how stunning the raw beauty of Zambia is. What I did not describe was the various sounds and smells along the way that also filled the senses. If you look at the photos taken at Kundilila Falls for example – try and hear the shrill high pitched and continuous undulating sound of the cicadas in the trees, loud too. Add to that many other insect noises like the Christmas beetles in the distant trees, then the calls and singing of various unseen birds, then the sound of the water as it fell and swirled over rocks to a crashing roar far below, then add the sweet smoky smell of distant bush fires, then the smell of the bundu, then the silent sound of complete isolation. Imagine. I had all this there, plus the extreme pleasure of being able to sit on the waters edge of the small river, my feet and legs immersed in the cool crystal water. Another place in Heaven.
For every photo I took I could add a description of the other senses filled like this, but however long I waffled on you would not ever get the complete picture – you simply just have to be there yourself.
What does please me most out of all this is that maybe some of you will consider visiting Zambia yourselves because of my posting and that makes me really happy. What I may do is to go over the narrative again, correcting my mistakes, get someone to check it over, like Heather - my English was never any good - then get it put into the “After Livingstone” section of the site. I encourage you all to go to Zambia if you possible can, you will not ever regret it.
Everyone
Firstly I must apologise for not answering or responding to e-mail just recently. I have a lot to catch up with here at home and my time is at a premium.
Considering this I have put on hold all incoming photos and material for the site until late November/ early December so that I can concentrate solely on the stuff arriving from the Lark and the members that attended. If you have already sent me images etc already during September and October not relating to the Lark, that is why there is a delay.
Chris
To answer you questions,
Mvuu Lodge is on the Zambian side of the Zambezi.
Just as you get into Chirundu but before the border we turned left and further down this road is the crossing over the Kafue at the ferry. Over the Kafue and then continue on this road to Mvuu which is not quite opposite Mana Pools but very close by, the same fishing spots would be used I’m sure. I did not fish at the confluence, I don’t think, maybe I did, the river was so wide with islands all round I wasn’t paying that much attention as we drifted along.
There is an airstrip not too far away if you can afford to come in this way on transfer and I also believe you can get transfers from the Chirundu area by boat.
The use of the fishing boats with guides, canoes, and game drives etc was all included in the accommodation price. If you visit the Lower Zambezi National Park nearby there is a $20 fee each time you enter.
I am supposed to do a 1000 word write up on Mvuu Lodge for Heather who can meantime give you any details on the area and people who run the lodges there, and negotiate you a good discount if you are really nice to her. Someone mentioned a 2005 Lark so get saving. This time of year is supposed to be best.
I’m not sure how long Mvuu has been there, I believe there was a fire in the main lodge a year or two ago and the place was rebuilt. The accommodation in my opinion was excellent and more importantly, right on the bank. Food was good too, and Shadrack the boatman, don’t discuss Zambian fiscal and economic matters while fishing with him though. (I gave him tip – enough for the croc man)
Craig’s tiger as you can see from the photo was quite big, more than enough for three people. Heather, Craig and I could only manage to eat one half of it and we were full. The manager of the Mvuu asked if the staff could eat the remaining half so I assume they, the locals, all liked tiger. There were bones and you just had to be a little careful, just as with any fish, I would not describe it as “full of bones”. The fish was cooked whole in tin foil and had been stuffed with herbs and a little garlic by the cook. It was easy to peel back the skin and flake the snow-white flesh off, and it did taste good, not earthy like I expected.
The little time I had was devoted to wholly to the tiger, so no, I did not fish for any other species (maybe next time), however when down at Lake Safari Lodge near Kariba I had bream for lunch. Maurice Diamond had a bream farm there, but that is another story. Anyhow the bream went down well and I enjoyed it.
Beth Lloyd
I tried to e-mail you but I get my messages returned and bounced. Please e-mail me again and I will send you my postal address.
Bob Allen
Sorry I can’t answer your question whether or not Broken Hill Mines are still producing metal or even concentrates. There are warnings all over a spoil heap near the side of the road telling people to keep away. Maybe Heather or someone else will give us your answer.
Linda
Sorry I was unable to make it over to the location of your old house, I simply ran out of time – there were not enough hours in the day.. Heather may be up in Kitwe again soon and I’ll add it to the “wanted list”.
Failing that… there’s always 2005
Johnny - Happy Birthday !
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 17:21:22 (UTC)
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Thank you to all my friends who sent me cards and good wishes on my birthday especially to my three favourite girls Leah, Jade, and Alice, and there lovely mammy Alix, I canot mention every one but I would like to say to that fickle girl in the U S that is at the moment waving her knickers at a Mr Kevin Shone in Ndola, passop, scot meena bugilee waina meena as chia lo backside kawaina, then maybe kiss it better. Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 17:15:11 (UTC)
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My friends I do not want to crow to much but cock a doodle doo, I did make a rather rude remark to a friend in Cape Town that was suffering from delusions that the Boks were going to anhilate the pommies today, he is a male friend and I told him he had more chance of becoming pregnant than that taking place, but they can come back next year when they have got a bit more practice in and I am afraid they will still get stuf---d.
Dont cry to much its only a game, regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 17:00:45 (UTC)
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England 25 Boks 6
Jonny Wilkinson was definitely England's sword. Koen missed penalty after penalty.
South Africa didn't even get the anthem right!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 14:05:39 (UTC)
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Hi Bill
The Canucks put up a good show against the all blacks but those guys are really good.
I hope they sing the 'Inkosi Sikelela iAfrica' part of our national anthem slow, sad, sweet, and soulfull before the game, as it is meant to be sung. Zambia spoilt this hymn when they used it for their national anthem by speeding and jazzing it up until it sounded more like a march.
Cheers- Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 12:00:49 (UTC)
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Like so many, am glued to the TV and RWC in Oz.
Got up at sparrow fart this a.m for Boks vs Lions. Of course, this is one they have to play later-damn.,. could have slept in - so have been scoping Japan and France.
Kick-off just about an hour, so I move back to the couch and join Doug Grewar and the rest , electronically, in an hour.......... Yeah Canada!
Oh dear.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 11:20:09 (UTC)
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Johnny
A very happy Birthday!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 10:48:02 (UTC)
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Chris
Don't you start. I get enough uphill from Johnny about the Boks. The match starts in another 2 hours. Enjoy!
I just keeping fingers crossed that the boks do well so Johnny doesn't start crowing again!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 09:46:55 (UTC)
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Johnny....Artie....Craig.................
I was thinking you guys must be very brave to try and catch those tiger fish, they are sure mean specimens..........especially when they smile .!!!!
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 08:05:05 (UTC)
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Arthur old buddy you certainly brought it all back and the pics are out of this world, especially to me that once spent nearly 3 months on that river doing nothing else but fish and drink and to any one contemplating emulating Arthurs fishing trip leave the removal of the hooks to the Shadracks of this world as much harm can come to tiger fishing novice, And Chris your query on eating Tiger it is a great fish to eat and the secret is in the cutting of the fish for eliminating all the bones cut across the fish into steaks about 2" wide drop same into a cauldron of boiling fat the fish will tend to shrink and leave exposed the tail end of the bones which are shaped like a wish bone and pull them out and then climb in there are no more bones and excellent eating, I mention this as it sounds as if Arthurs narrative has got you hooked as it has me Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 05:12:39 (UTC)
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Question for Arthur:
Please could you be a little more specific as to the location of Mvuu Lodge, and when this was opened? I am assuming it is downstream from Chirundhu, on the Zambian side, across the Zam/Kafue confluence? Anywhere near to Mana Pools on the Zim side? Looks like a fabulous fishing camp. By any chance, did you fish at the confluence? Used to be a great spot that, albeit a little rough to get to. You have whetted my appetite to the point where I just want to up sticks and head back to the real bush.
One more question - re eating Tigher fish. It seemed to me (way back then) that Tiger was not a very pleasant fish to eat, bony and strange fish taste that even most locals would not go for. Did you enjoy it, and how was it prepared? Did you catch and eat any bream on your trip? The river bream used to be the least muddy flavor and braaied with a little butter and lemon juice, was orgasmically good.
Ah yes, the mighty Zambezi!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 02:57:50 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar, for once:
For once I have to agree with Chris Tamm. "Well done that man'!
Only once Doug? You are so cruel.
By the time you read this, the 3rd Boer War in Perth will be over. Any bets the Lillywhites will score a Hat Trick i.e. 1891, 1901, and 2003. We get to watch the live feed at 2.00am Hawaiian Standard Time, and coming over to the house (aka The Rhodesian Embassy in Houtless Hilo) are 2 Poms, 2 Seorf Efrikens, and yours truly - that Judeo Christian conservative right wing activist displaced Rhodesian, as moderator and referee. Should be a lekker party you will agree.
Enjoy the game you all.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 02:03:27 (UTC)
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BATT GIRL.......
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU..........12 YEARS OLD..WOW
(sorry its a little late...)
lots of love
mom, Alice and Lizzard !!
JOHNNY GREEN
A very happy birthday to you ...and hope you have many many more...!!!!
..........Tina says ."she hopes you have an indecently happy birthday"...........have fun !!!!
lots of love
Ali and the girls...
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 01:29:55 (UTC)
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Arthur
Why not turn this into a little self-published book for yourself and family to start with, and other uses if you decide to do more with it.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 00:11:30 (UTC)
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Arthur
What a feast of photos and what an eloquent write up! Surely this must be one of highest points if not the finest hour of the GNR. For once I have to agree with Chris Tamm. "Well done that man'!
I am so happy to see you and Craig enjoying a well deserved reward for the many hours of pleasure that you have given us. I am just sorry that Dawie could not make it.
Somewhat in awe - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, October 17, 2003 at 18:43:01 (UTC)
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Well done Arthur!
Just wanted to add my two ngwee worth...
poignant words, fantastic pictures - once again painted with skill. --> LOVE THE PHOTO HERE!!!! --------->
Thank you everyone for sharing.
Happy birthday to the boys...
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland Friday, October 17, 2003 at 17:40:05 (UTC)
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ARTHUR
Can I please add my thanks for your wonderful descriptions of your pilgrimage to Zambia. It is the best thing I've ever read on the GNR. The photographs on their own would have been enough, but your words made it so poignant. It will be something I will come back to time and again to read - so much so that I have copied it and all the photographs over to Word so I don't have to search for it in the archives in the future. Phew! What a labour of love - it's taken me ages to do.
P.S. Your sunset was NEARLY as good as mine, but not quite! Keep trying!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Friday, October 17, 2003 at 17:22:42 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Marvellous. Thanks.
Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom Friday, October 17, 2003 at 16:49:11 (UTC)
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Arthur:
Thanks so much for pouring your heart into the journal of your pilgrimage back to Zambia. There was so much more between the lines that those of us who know you could feel. You are an amazing writer and we are lucky to be on the receiving end of it and the photos. I can only imagine the feelings you must have experienced when you were alone fishing, and reflecting on what was happening to you at the time. A long journey home. Thanks so much for the photos with your posting. They brought a huge lump in my throat. Obviously I am one whose homes you were not able find as I did not receive a personal email from you? Not to worry.
Craig (a.k.a. Bungee Boy):
How does it feel to finally experience the other side of the border? You are going to have to post to us just like Arthur has done at the end of his trip. We will be anxiously awaiting your thoughts and words.
Heather:
Are you serious about a reunion in Siavonga in 2005? I am trying to get information on the area.
Birthday Boys (George, Johnny and Geoff)
Many Happy Happies for your upcoming birthdays.
Kevin Shone:
I see all your snide remarks in emails about me not keeping up my correspondence with friends. You know you are my favourite Bwana.... (oops sorry, Johnny)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Friday, October 17, 2003 at 11:57:07 (UTC)
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Jill at al.,
Sorry, forgot to post this. Just rushing (as is the way with Heather!) out the door to South Luangwa.
Jill and Craig on Bob.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, October 17, 2003 at 11:50:23 (UTC)
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Arthur
I echo Chris’s sentiments, have you ever thought of writing a book? I was sitting here reading your account and thought how lucky I am to be living in the midst of all this. Mind you with the frustrations associated with running a business here we need paradise round the corner to stay sane.
Last weekend a crowd from the Ndola Boat Club went down to Tamarind Lodge a few kilometers below the wall. One of the youngsters took the day off from school in South Africa and flew up Thursday evening to “bond” with his dad who works in Ndola. He had never fished before in his life and in the first hour caught a 6kg Tiger, the heaviest caught that weekend.
Have a good weekend everyone.
Kevin
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia Friday, October 17, 2003 at 08:17:35 (UTC)
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Jacqui and Jill
Craig and I are leaving shortly for the Luangwa Valley, back on Tuesday. On Wednesday I shall scan some of Craig's ele ride photos and post them on the board.
Ron Sayer
Cape Town is in my diary for February, so yes, a Lurkers Lark it is then.
Birthdays
Since I'm going to be away, those who have birthdays in the next few days here are your early birthday wishes and special ones for Johnny Green on Saturday, George Maxwell on Monday and Geoff Paynter on Tuesday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, October 17, 2003 at 08:01:20 (UTC)
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Thank you Arthur for another wonderful instalment.
The selection of photographs is incredible, and you will never know just how much the ones of Nkana/Kitwe meant to me. To see the hospital where I was born, Geddes Street where I went for piano lessons, Boma Street, Central Street etc. was unreal.
To see again pods from the chewing gum tree and a real mango tree, simply groaning under the weight of the mangoes, was also a real blast from the past. Oh what I would give for a decent Northern Rhodesian mango!
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank you again for the trouble you went to, to photograph the family home in 4th Avenue. It was very much appreciated.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Friday, October 17, 2003 at 07:32:42 (UTC)
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Arthur,
That is surely the finest travelogue ever on our old homeland. Your photos, captions, and stories, were incredible.
Well done that man.
Zikomo
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Friday, October 17, 2003 at 04:13:20 (UTC)
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To all the "Larkers" a profound thank you for the memories and photo's. Arthur Stevens your photo's sure brought a lump to one's throat.
Heather hope you can make it to Cape Town in February. I will be in Cape Town Feb 12 to 25 so who knows we can have a lurkers lark !
Cheers!
Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, October 17, 2003 at 03:50:56 (UTC)
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Here is a website worth visiting re Sir Stewart Gore-Brown and his magnificent home/estate at Shiwa Ngandu (see Arthur's report).
www.shiwangandu.com
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Friday, October 17, 2003 at 02:18:08 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur, Heather, Craig and all you other lucky,lucky people who were free to attend the Lark, and provide such magnificent photos and entertaining, nostalgic stories.
I am still reading (devouring) your accounts with much pleasure.
But for the present, Arthur, concerning Kabwe, can you or anyone else tell me whether Broken Hill Mines are still producing metal or even concentrates? The photo here suggests not.
(In my former life in Zambia and Australia I was a metallurgist, and still am at heart).
Best wishes and kind regards
Bob Allan
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Friday, October 17, 2003 at 00:40:02 (UTC)
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Homeward Bound
Heading north our first stop was in Kapiri Mposhi to drop Peter Bennett off at the railway station where he would continue his long journey in the months ahead through many countries to the north eventually to reach his goal in Cairo. A very brave man and good company during his trip with us during the last few days. The price we charged Peter for taking him from Livingstone to Kapiri was that he would recount his journey from Cape Town to Cairo for us all on the GNR, when he eventually returns home.
Kapiri Mposhi was undergoing some major road works and the town was in chaos, not much there, except shops traders and trucks all over the place.
Continued north, heading for Broken Hill.
As Heather says the main roads in BH were in good condition – but we were running late so only stopped for a few photos.

Approaching the outskirts

A shot of the railway crossing approaching town.

Two locos on show either side of the rail and road crossing.

Earlier in Livingstone I had asked Jacqui Millward for the location of the old “Boons Bar” Given Jacqui’s directions they led me to this place – anyone recognise it?

A couple more views around Broken Hill - Kabwe

What you see when you approach from the north.
Heading further north we approached the Copperbelt, skirted around Ndola and headed up the dual carriageway to Nkana Kitwe passing the Big Tree which is a National Monument. Here along the road I saw more evidence of illegal petrol sellers than anywhere previously – every half mile or less. Fuel is apparently siphoned off by the transport drivers and sold to the roadside dealers who in turn sell it on to whoever will buy. These illegal “fuel stations” are advertised by three or four stones piled up at the side of the road or by attaching plastic containers to stakes, they are open 24/365.
We approached and passed the sign for Nkana Kitwe. I was a little choked at this point and initially I was disorientated, Wusikili seemed to go on forever, almost from the Kafue Bridge, and the slag heap was much larger than I expected, almost encroaching onto the main road. (Apparently they have now stopped pouring slag)
At once I knew where we were and asked Heather to turn right, into Central Street and down to Nkana East, Centre of the Universe. Everything had changed, I passed one by one the places I knew as a child forty plus years before, hardly recognising some of the houses, but at the same time I knew exactly where we were. Passing my old school, Prince Charles, this was instantly recognisable and outwardly it seemed it hadn’t changed at all, except for the high wall which now surrounded it. Further down Central Street the neat intersections of open spaces were now occupied by shanty town shops and bars and looking down the side streets showed the road surfaces had deteriorated into pot holed tracks, back lanes behind the mine houses were blocked completely by rubbish. At the end of Central Street just before the Kitwe stream bridge we turned around, my old house was still there, but I hardly recognised it. Briefly we visited Riverside where my last home in NR was in Avon Close and then we drove round to Kitwe Boys High to have a very quick look outside with the intention of returning the next day.
I am using all the old street names as I had taken a copy of a 1961 map just in case I lost my way round, I didn’t really need it.
The next day, with Heather’s assistance, we visited most of the residential areas and I snagged as many of the photo requests I could. Nearly every current resident of those homes, where they were in at home, welcomed us in with smiling faces to freely take photos, others we could not get to because of high walls, fences or the house was no longer standing. (To all those who made requests I have e-mailed your photos out a few days ago, to those that have had no response, I am afraid for various reasons I was unable to take the photos for you)
Unfortunately I did not make it to visit the town centre or make the trip underground at Mindola. The previous day I’d had a bit of the delhi-belly and was a little under the weather.
I did however manage to make visits to all my old homes and was lucky enough to have met and have all the current occupiers welcome me and show me round. My special thanks to Brian Rowlands for arranging my visit to my old home in Avon Close, where he lives right next door. I also would like to thank Heather and Kevin Shone for all their assistance in obtaining the photos requested by the members – without you both I would not have got half the photos I had taken.
From this point I will not narrate the rest of the time I spent in Nkana-Kitwe, most are my private memories and reflections, only to say I regret that did not cover all the ground I should have done.
Here a few photos I can share with you all.


We said our goodbyes to the remnants of the Lark and left Nkana-Kitwe after the dinner at the Mona Lisa in Parklands and headed for Ndola in the late evening. Thank you yet again Kevin for your hospitality and putting us up overnight in Ndola. You are a star of the first order.
The Great North Road to Shiwa N’gandu and Kapishya Springs.
Fantastic scenery, blue skies*, water and bush.
* The skies were never as blue as they can be whilst I was in Zambia, combined with the smoke from bushfires, burning and dust the sky was rarely clear. I should imagine after the long awaited rains the azure skies will return. It had not rained since April.
An awesome drive, the Great North Road straight as an arrow in long sections as far as they eye could see, and very little traffic, in the hours that passed by we probably only saw 80 vehicles on the road all that day. The further we headed north the more the bush returned closer to the road.
A few photos along the way


We didn’t stay over at the “Decent” guesthouse, but we did stop to buy fuel for the car on the opposite side of the road. Serenje.


We made a detour off the GNR to visit the Kundalila Falls. We didn’t have the four hours to spare to climb down the escarpment to get a proper view of the falls but the scenery and isolation was just perfect from the top.
By evening we had made it up to Shiwa, not far from Mpika, 40ks or so. We drove through the Shiwa estate and, via a 20k or so dirt track, for another hour went onto Kapishya Springs where we were to stay for the next two nights.

On the Shiwa to Kapishya Springs road.

At Kapishya Springs

Next morning we drove out to the Chusa falls 10k or so further down the road.
It was here that I started to regret not having taken a fly rod along, the pools and runs looked perfect places to explore with the fly. If I ever return it will be one of the first things I’d pack in my luggage.
Later that day we drove back to Shiwa N’gandu to have a look around the house itself, just as we arrived Charlie Harvey (Sir Stuart Gore-Brown’s grandson) was about to take a short game drive around the estate near Shiwa Lake and we were kindly invited along. We spied various animals in the distance but more entertainment was provided in the foot well of the open Landrover by one of Charlie’s dogs, an oversexed Jack Russell and its laid back and sleeping intended mate, an old black Labrador about 20 times its size. The Jack was quite satisfied with the back leg of the lab, which was totally unaware of the frenzy. Three or four other dogs were also on board and the best two were these hounds.

On our return to Shiwa house we were given free run to explore the whole house and were also given permission to visit the private sections upstairs, the library was magnificent and stocked with thousands of books about Africa and Rhodesian history, alas we did not have time to read anything but we were given time and access to the personal photo diaries of Stewart Gore-Brown and other very interesting personal items. Craig and I had to be eventually dragged out of the house; we could have spent months there.
Again three days had passed too quickly and we were back on the GNR again and heading west, it was here that Craig was ejected from the drivers’ seat by Heather for driving too slow and only averaging 120kph. Once Heather got back behind the wheel the speedo needle was wedged up to 145 again and Craig was back clinging with both hands to the overhead grip above the passenger door.
We made it all the way back to Lusaka as darkness began to fall and later that night met up with the remnants of the Lark at the restaurant in the Lusaka Club grounds. Kevin your recommendation to try the peppered steak was well appreciated and cooked to perfection hope your daughter is feeling better after her bought of malaria. Doug Grewar, it was great to meet your family who live in Lusaka and joined us at the table. Thank you all for your brilliant company.
The Lower Zambezi
Famous last words from Heather before the journey began, “today we haven’t got far to go today - perhaps only 150k or so”. Along the road to Chirundu we slowly dropped down the escarpment, meeting a few jack-knifed and broken down trucks on the way, the drivers using large stones as makeshift brakes on the now still hulks - nothing had changed since the days I travelled this road 40 years previously. Wrecks littered the steep embankments below.
The heat became intense (for me) the further we dropped down towards the Zambezi. What Heather forgot to mention is that on this journey, once we left the main road at Chirundu, the road becomes first gear most of the way. Bridges over the ravines did not exist or had been swept away, so slowly we made our way, almost sliding down the steep sides and climbing up the seeming vertical road the other side. Heather’s car did not have the luxury of 4x4 drive, but at the wheel, she skilfully manoeuvred her way, quite used to driving in these conditions. Massive holes, deep ruts, deep sand and large stones impeded our way, just about passable now in the dry season, and impassable in the wet, the short 70ks from Chirundu to our fishing camp at Mvuu Lodge would take nearly all the rest of the day to negotiate. Very hot and dust invading everywhere, it was an experience I would never have missed, by the time we got to the camp many hours later we knew why they call it “remote”.
The welcoming camp of Mvuu Lodge was like an oasis, the mighty Zambezi, deep blue, laid out and slowly moving before us. Here was a paradise. The accommodation was exceptional for somewhere so far out in the bush, this consisted of small thatched and wooden buildings with a tented interior with your own shower, toilet and hot running water which were a welcome luxury as I washed the dust of the day away under a cold shower. A nice touch was the tray beside the bed, a cup of tea would be most welcome when I woke early the next morning. That evening we downed a few ice cold drinks at the bar as the African night closed in and enjoyed a tasty dinner by lantern light overlooking the Zambezi River. Much later and very tired and with hippos bellowing within what seemed yards away, I fell asleep.
First light I was awake and down on the bank to meet our boatman, breakfast could wait. Craig and I set off across the gold water of the rising sun, Shadrack turned the boat to head upriver. He grinned at the collection of spoons, lures and paraphernalia I had carried half way across the world and spent a small fortune on, however we were going to fish his way and I was not going to argue with his experience. 10 minutes later he slid the boat close to the bank and gently beached it into the reeds within 100 yards of a family of hippos. Flicking a line out with a small worm he searched the shallow water, nothing. Taking the boat across to a small jutting bank on the opposite side he dropped his line in again, success as three small chessa were landed in quick succession in the boat, the final and fourth fish came in, a large bite mark across it’s flank could be seen as it flapped on the deck -Tiger!
Shadrack set our rods up with a very small lead weight and a slice from the flank of a chessa was skilfully woven onto the hook. We motored upstream and the engine was cut, Craig and I cast our lines on the water and we silently drifted with the pace of the Zambezi. The water was continually changing colour as we drifted over the undulating sandbanks below the water, I was aware of a sudden change of depth as a shallow light blue turned to deep azure, I was sure this would be a taking place. Suddenly my rod buckled over and my finger stung by the line, the reel strained and gave out line as a heavy and powerful fish below made its run. A second later the line went slack and I retrieved a bare hook. My heart was racing.
A few more drifts and the same thing happened to Craig and I, savage takes and hooks thrown, but eventually Craig was the first to connect, the fish making an almost unstoppable first run, turning it around Craig was in for a dogged battle as the fish sounded below, suddenly it surfaced and leapt clear of the water, three times at least, a tiger, striped and with a mouth full of teeth to make shark proud, tiring, it eventually came to the waiting net.
Craig had broken free of his tiddler ways and was now a fully paid up fisherman. This one was very special and going to be eaten and was dispatched to the fish box.
Next it was my turn and I had attained my dream. A tiger, and from the Zambezi.
Throughout the day we found the tiger to be a savage, hard fighting opponent, the fish were hard to hook and acrobatic tendencies as they leapt clear of the water time after time threw the hook more often than not, often right at the side of the boat. I noted the Tiger had an adipose fin, a trademark of the salmon family, but tigers are related to the piranha, nevertheless the fighting style was very similar to the salmon but without all the teeth.
One particular take I can only put down to have been a vundu, the line just peeled off the reel against the clutch and it was an unstoppable run, the line broke free and Shadrack confirmed by feeling the frayed line that a vundu had indeed taken the bait.
The next day Craig had decided to join Heather and her daughter Luanne on a canoe trip on the river, so I had the fishing boat to myself.
With a packed lunch and a cold-box full of drinking liquids we set off at 6.00am for the whole day. A similar scenario to the previous days fishing entailed, Shadrack skilfully keeping the drift of the boat parallel to the tall reed banks on the shore, we connected with the tiger on the sand bank drop offs in the water below. All landed fish were returned to fight another day, Shadrack gently reviving the fish before they swam away “for next year’s fishing” he grinned.
My solitude on the river filled my day, we drifted past herds of elephant, hippo and lone fishermen on the banks of the Zambezi. I was in heaven.
Conversation with Shadrack was eye opening in the way in which he saw the world from where he lived in a small village about an hour and a half’s walk away from our camp. He laughed and smiled as he told me about his family and his own personal struggles. We discussed many things. He could not comprehend why we did not have buffalo to eat in England. Then he told me about how I could easily get rid of any of my enemies. For a mere 60,000 kwacha paid over to the “crocodile man” will guarantee that your named enemy will be taken by a croc within 12 months. Twelve people in his surrounding villages had met such a fate within the last year. I got him to make a stopover on the bank and paid over 120k to the crocodile man, giving him two names :-)
I fished and soaked up the day, which passed so quickly but is now forever etched into my heart, mind and soul. It was truly a fantastic and lasting experience.
Returning to camp that evening Craig’s tiger fish was served up, cooked to perfection we greedily ate the revered and respected quarry. It tasted wonderful.




Thinking on this and the earlier encounter Craig had had that day with the scorpion, maybe we should have had that cooked and served up too. Unfortunately Heather had trodden it flat when she was searching for it. That night we were all watching very carefully when we went to bed, just in case it had a few friends wanting revenge.
The next day we were to leave about 9.00am so while the others were still asleep I grabbed the chance of another couple of hours on the river and landed four more tigers. Shadrack was fully concentrated on the last fish coming in when a hippo surfaced within 1 yard of the boat and cleared its breath, I have never seen anybody move so quickly and fire up an outboard motor. At a safer distance we completed the fight. Sadly the few precious hours I had, went by quickly and we returned to the bank – it was time to say farewell to Shadrack and the Zambezi and make our way back to Chirundu.
Kariba, Siavonga and goodbye to Zambia.
We carefully retraced our steps and made our way back to the ferry to go over the Kafue and head for Chirundu. Chirundu is a trucker’s nightmare, lorries parked up for maybe weeks while they are cleared to enter or leave Zambia. We made a stop for fuel and headed for the turn off to Kariba. We stopped along the way and made a short visit to the fossilised forest, another National Monument.
Heading up the road towards Kariba I remembered how different my journey was so many years before, a single dirt road and tsetse fly huts where the cars and the trapped occupants were sprayed, probably with DDT. None of that is in existence now, a long straight and perfect road was now before us, and no huts.
At Kariba we made our way to Maurice Diamond’s Lake Safari Lodge (his dad, Sid used to own Standard Trading in Kitwe – unfortunately he had died just a few years ago). On arriving all the Zambian the staff were immediately on edge, Heather had returned and they had obviously not forgotten the previous experience of her last visit. Immediately the music they were enjoying was turned down, then off, the air conditioning was turned on full and orders taken for lunch and drinks. Then they had to explain why the swimming pool was empty. Nervously they kept an eye on her throughout our visit there, but kept smiling broadly, happy to please our requests.
That evening we had a short trip on the houseboat on the lake - sat like lords on the top deck and waited upon. We gently motored past some hysterical disasters of past and present politicians and officials, each vying to out-build the last des-res on the lakeside. One particular disaster was a palatial home built on a split-level into the banks of the Kariba Lake. Unfortunately building work had proceeded without thought to the falling and rising level of the lake, building was completed when the lake was particularly low, and the lake had later risen to claim the lounge, garages and the best part of half the house.
That night we viewed the Kapenta boats distinguished by their shining lights out in the blackness of the night.
Next morning we set off for a view of the Kariba dam wall – and I sneaked into Zimbabwe for a few minutes. The dam wall is never as impressive as when seen in real life.
Unfortunately our stay again was limited and we did not have the time to visit the power plants below ground or to go fishing on the lake. We set off for home via a short stop at Siavonga, where Heather has a plot of land. Here we found a chewing gum tree with a few remaining pods.



We returned to Lusaka and I prepared to pack up ready for my flight home the next day. As I had supper that night with Heather and Craig I realised my journey in Zambia was at an end.
On the plane the next morning I looked out at the ground far below, the air was thick with smoke and dust. All the way up to Ndola and Kitwe and beyond the deforestation and burning was clearly apparent, sadly this did not change until we were well north over the Katanga province, when dense green forest and the clear air came back into view.
A week later I am just beginning to reflect on the lifetime experience I went through during the few days I was there and I will no doubt continue to do so throughout the rest of my life.
Twatasha sana Zambia.
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 23:30:45 (UTC)
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Great story Tina!
Had a similar experience with our son - Samuel. Was shaved close to the scalp but, an art student, a friend of his came 'round and took it a bit further. He used bleach, and worked out a psychedelic design on his head. Needless to mention it took weeks before it went away. In fact he had to have his hair shaved off again!
This leads me to the following:
OPERATION:
A nurse was on duty in A & E when a young woman with purple hair styled into a punk rocker - mohawk, wearing strange clothes and covered in a variety of tattoos - entered....
It was quickly determined that the patient had acute appendicitis. She was scheduled for immediate surgery. When she completely disrobed and, by now,
on the operating table, the staff noticed that what was down below had been dyed GREEN ! Above it was a tattoo that read 'KEEP OFF THE GRASS!'
Once surgery was completed, the surgeon wrote a short note on the patient's dressing:
"SORRY! HAD TO MOW THE LAWN."
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 21:13:58 (UTC)
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Chris
I asked the same question when I was in Lusaka. Helen Kaunda was Kenneth's mother.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 19:14:23 (UTC)
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In snooping around the website, I came across the name "Helen Kaunda Seconadary School". Can anyone tell me who Helen was?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 18:30:05 (UTC)
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A little non-germane light relief.
Oh dearie me what a near-disaster took place at our house this week.
My 18-year-old, Chris, wanted me to crop his hair pretty short with the clippers which I do for him in the summer. It was nearly finished, and looking good, nicely etched out behind the ears and shaped around the back of the neck. I just had the front to do. I stopped, turned off the clippers and cleared out the hair, blew out the cutting guard and returned to cut from the forehead back up the middle of the head.
A large near bald path appeared under the clippers. "Oh Shit!" said Chris's mother. My son looked at me in dawning horror. I had forgotten to put the guard back on and had just scalped him, sort of a reverse Mohawk. He looked like a partially cut lawn. In fact I can even get in a germane reference, picture grassland after a bush fire, reduced to black stubble.
Luckily once the shock was over he didn't terribly mind the Buddhist monk look, because that's what I had to give him. We found he can take the look fine, thank goodness. I told him to act like it was intentional and to tell people he was working on his Zen side. And not to strangle me with his prayer wheel.
His mates think it's cool and his father's humour was uncharacteristically merciful so all's well that ends well.
Ommmmm!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 16:43:11 (UTC)
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Hi Jacqui,
I am too afraid to fly, so you can keep the title - I have sent my pictures to Craig, but as they were taken using my video camera, they haven't come out very well. To be honest, it wasn't very scary or uncomfortable riding an elephant - just gives a whole new meaning to the term astride! I eventually opted for side-saddle - (like the lady I am!).
I can't get over what an adventurous lot the Larkers are! And Craig going back for a second bungee jump - horrifying thought! It seems all this jumping of bridges has got to Irene le Roux - she's going on her first parachute jump on Saturday - even more horrifying! What a mad bunch...
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 13:59:13 (UTC)
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Grant & Heather Knowles
Very belated condolences on your sad loss. What a sad homecoming after such a happy event!
Arthur
Loved the photos – especially the one of Craig embracing the Zambezi as he ‘falls’ off the bridge! Amazing photo – but it still does not convince me to do this crazy thing! I eagerly await your next instalment!
Kevin Shone
Good to see you back on the board – best you do as you are told or that ‘Chalcraft woman’ will crack her whips again! Look forward to seeing you at the next reunion.
Linda
Thanks for the promotion to ‘Main Bun’! I am honoured but will pass it on to Jilly when she posts her pics of elephant riding! Ouch!
Heather
You are mad! But you and Craig will enjoy every minute of the microlite flight! Just think – it is like a motor-bike ride with a parachute!!
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 12:56:57 (UTC)
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Thanks for the birthday wishes folks and all those lovely reminiscences, Lark tales and photos of the land that binds us altogether despite our different views on the why's and wherefor's.
The Building of huge dams like Kariba, Aswan and the one on the Yangtze river here in China, and the Tanzam railway look very different to the people whose villages and traditional ancestral burial grounds are flooded or relocated. To them life and burial after death has never been and never will be the same. We all seemed to suffer from the 'White Man's Burden' of instinctively knowing what is good for the 'natives' and the same malady has infected nearly every government worldwide.
This extract from the Tresco Times shows that nothing seems to change.
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Plus ca change
A century ago the poet Rudyard Kipling wrote
'The White Man's Burden' - beseeching Americans to share Britain's work in developing the third world
Take up the White Man's Burden,
And reap his old reward
The blame of those ye better
The Hate of those ye guard
A century afterwards, Britain and America went hand-in-hand into Iraq to take away weapons of mass destruction from Saddam Hussein. No weapons were
found. The allies did, however, take possession of the second largest oil-field in the world.
The Victorian Henry Labouchere wrote this parody of
Kipling's work - it was printed a hundred years ago:-
Pile on the brown man's burden;
And, if ye rouse his hate,
Meet his old fashioned reasons
With Maxims up to date,
With shells and dum-dum bullets
A hundred times made plain
The brown man's loss must ever
Imply the white man's gain
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Mention in the board of the rude word 'Consultant' prompts me to repeat this piece of light humour to help us laugh at ourselves - for without laughter there would only be tears :
This is a story of a yuppie and a shepherd.....
A shepherd is herding his flocks in a remote pasture when suddenly a brand new Mercedes ML advances towards him out of a dust cloud.
The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban sunglasses and a YSL tie, leans out of the window and asks:
"If I can tell you exactly how many sheep you have in your flock, will you give me one?"
The shepherd looks at the yuppie, then at his peacefully grazing flock and answers, "Sure!"
The yuppie parks the car, whips out his notebook, connects it to a cell phone, surfs to a NASA page where he calls up a GPS navigation system, scans the area and opens a database and some 60 spreadsheets with complex formulas. Finally, he prints a 150-page report on a miniature printer, turns to our shepherd and says: "You have exactly 1586 sheep!"
"That's correct. As agreed, you can take one of the sheep," says the shepherd.
He watches the young man make a selection and bundle it into his Mercedes.
As the car starts to pull away, he calls out:
"If I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give it back to me?"
"Okay, why not?" answers the young man, stopping the car.
"You are a consultant" says the shepherd.
"That's correct," says the yuppie. "How did you guess?"
"Easy." answers the shepherd. "You turn up without being asked....
want to be paid for information I already have...and don't know anything about my business. Now can I please have my dog back?"
Have a nice day!
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With thanks to Sidney in Hanoi Vietnam for bringing this back to mind
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Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China Thursday, October 16, 2003 at 03:11:15 (UTC)
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Hi Pat,
Rock Island Fever? What's that? Maybe I do suffer from that because I am struggling like crazy with the undelying message in your posting.
I never did travel on the Tanzam - it was not ready fro passenger travel by the time I left Zambia. A great pity.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 20:49:09 (UTC)
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Chris
What does rock island fever feel like?
Generally joining two areas with some rail helps both communities, as noticed in the chunnal. I have traveled the TANZAM and enjoyed, maybe you would like to jump out of your cotton wool rock and relive your past.
lots of love Pat
Pat McEnery [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bromley, Kent, England Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 20:27:51 (UTC)
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Craig old buddy thanks for sending me a message I have never seen it but that is not suprising with all the hassles I am having, at one stage I was recieving the same set of messages every 30 mins whether it was my deleted file recycling them back to my in box or my server who had got stuck in a rut I do not know but they kept coming at least a 100 at a time at last they stopped and i cleaned my pc right out not a message left and then I got a message from the post master telling me that my pc was nearly full and they would have to stop sending my incoming mail I think they would hear me cursing a mile away any way you have enjoyed it out there I'm only sorry I could not make it with you but maybe the next one Cheers mate Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 19:46:30 (UTC)
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Hi all,
I have been away for a few months and therefore out of contact as I mentioned in my email to some of you in April.
Things are not quite back to normal on my computer, namely my connection to my LAN, which is causing me a bit of grief. Therefore I will for a while, only be connnecting intermittantly but will reply to any lurking emails when I can.
Thanks for the birthday wishes from the board, which were really appreciated and to all of those that emailed while I was off line, I will be in touch individually asap.
Cheers,
John
John Tyne [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, South Africa Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 19:04:51 (UTC)
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MIke writes:
QUOTEYuor comments on the way forward for Zambia struck a chord in me. The cynical lending of money in a manner thst ensures difficulties for the repaying countries is not something new. Various deals in the past have been very onesided. I remember a trade deal with China in which the Zambian maize store was taken up completely and Zambia was left having to import from other countries to avoid starvation whilst Zambians in part return were suppled with tins of curried duck!
The Tanzam Railway is another example of a poor deal, as all the rolling stock were provided unpainted and rust once established is difficult to combat. Also the route chosen was not designed for economic running but for cheapness of construction. I'm sure you can add many more examples. A lot of the problems stemmed from the poor advice that was proferred by selfserving opportunists and this will continue until a greater commercial awareness has developed.
To my mind a good deal is one in which both sides benefit. There have not been many of those in the past.
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Another posting about "cynical" lenders. It sounds like the World Bank/IMF loan officers march around the poor unsuspecting developing world, forcing them to take on debt they did not ask for, never mind can afford. The Chinese were not in it for reciprocal trade, they were in it for the expansion of the communist doctrine, and were invited in by KK. It was KK who thought he would instantly re route well established trade patterns, thumbing his nose at bamba zonke, and start flying in petrol, trucking out copper and yes, the greates white elephant of all, the Tanzam Railway project. History will show that communism finally collapsed in the late 80's, but in the 60's, both the USSR and China, with their cubs, were making every effort to take over the world. KK did not understand any of this and was too pre occupied by events to the south. While Simbule was talking about toothless bulldogs in London, KK was talking Tanzam Railway. (We all remember the Chinese consumer goods on the shelves, and some of them were really quite good)
If the Tanzam project was a bad deal, then the Kariba project was on the opposite end of the scale. The project was well thought through, World Bank came up with the lolly, the dam was built by a highly experienced and reputable company, power sales generated sufficient revenue for loan servicing, and the rest of us enjoyed catching big tigers in the 180 mile long lake behind the wall which became a fabulous tourist attraction. (Yours truly effected the quarterly principal and interest payments from Capco to the World Bank)
In recent years, it has become politically correct for World Bank etc. lenders to merely agree to loan requests from developing nations. Perhaps the thinking is " KK is a big boy now, knows what he is doing, and should receive the funds for the project, because turning him down will show him up in poor light amongst his neighbors and the world stage". That flawed thinking will also come to an end one day.
Back to the lark photos...................
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 18:27:52 (UTC)
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Kevin Shone
No comments from you about my driving either! At least I know where the cops are and how not to get caught. And now that you have your password, I expect to see a lot more postings.
Beth Lloyd
Thanks and I shall certainly take you up on your offer next time I am in Jo'burg although I don't have any plans to get down there right now. My next trip is to the Luangwa Valley and perhaps, if things work out right, to the Lunga Luswishi Game Management Area and then on to Mwinilunga, Kalene Hill and the source of the Zambezi, although I'm beginning to wonder if I will ever get there.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 16:19:34 (UTC)
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Mike (Wilson) , I think the Tanzam rail link deal was turned down by Canada and another country at the time as they said the terrain was unsuitable and would have high maintenance. So in came the Chinese with the offer and they were known as "our friends the Chinese" as KK put it then. Part of the deal was that Zambia and Tanzania would take Chinese produce in part exchange. So ZCBC stores in Kitwe which had had bare shelves for ages were suddenly stocked with Ma Ling Products: Duck in Orange Sauce, egg jam, walnuts , baked beans (hard as peanuts) and Pork luncheon meat, this one was actually very good, as the chinese are good with pork. Unfortunately the pork luncheon meat did not sell well in Tanzania as, apparently a large section of the population are muslims! Where the potential sales for the other junk was in black africa is anyones guess. I met many Chinese engineers from the project who came to the company for tools and they spoke surprisingly good english. However they also 'integrated' into the local population as well and the result was a very different looking piccanin. They might be 30 years old now I suppose , have you met a Wang Sung Mulikita anywhere?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 16:09:13 (UTC)
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Folks, Kevin never cokked my chicken - he cooked my chicken!!!!
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 14:57:59 (UTC)
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Hi Kevin,
Great to "see" you on the board - thanks for driving us safely home after our wonderful braai and for cokking my "belated" piece of chicken! Sorry we couldn't meet you on Saturday, but as arranged, shall have a get together when next you're down. We're going away with the Goughs the last weekend in November so try and make it before then - but do give me plenty of warning to invite folk around.
Heather - the only way I can thank you enough for the Livingstone weekend, is to have you come and stay over with us next time your in town - pleeeeeeeze!
Arthur, have tried to scan my photos to you, without success so, please email me your postal address again and I'll send you the negatives.
Hilton and Sue - thanks for the great braai on Friday evening. Glad to see you got home safely. Look forward to seeing you on New Years Eve!
Wayne, I haven't put on weight, it's just that cameras DO lie!!! In fact, who is that Beth Lloyd in the Lark photos (Ugh!!!!! Nobody I know!!!!!)
Hey, Brian Townsend - has your memory come back to you yet?
To the Larkers - it was great meeting you all. Will definitely make the next one - wherever it is - with or without the "strong men" strutting around in their tangas!! Hey Doug/Francois? - what a sight! Loved the curly wurly photo - thanks Doug, even though we nearly missed Francois' second jump!!!! If the two of you are ever up in this part of the world, please holler!
Charlie C - your "angels" did you proud!!!!
'later.
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 14:56:18 (UTC)
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Re David's story of his trip in Zambia. What a great time you must have had. One thing that stuck in my mind was the change to OK Bazaars. My father, Tom Hill was a department Manager there in the late 1950's and early 1960's, so it was a sentimental reminder for me and I thank you for that.
Regards,
Jo Sloan
Adelaide, South Australia
Jo Sloan (née Hill) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Adelaide, Australia Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 13:47:54 (UTC)
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Hi Heather,
Yuor comments on the way forward for Zambia struck a chord in me. The cynical lending of money in a manner thst ensures difficulties for the repaying countries is not something new. Various deals in the past have been very onesided. I remember a trade deal with China in which the Zambian maize store was taken up completely and Zambia was left having to import from other countries to avoid starvation whilst Zambians in part return were suppled with tins of curried duck!
The Tanzam Railway is another example of a poor deal, as all the rolling stock were provided unpainted and rust once established is difficult to combat. Also the route chosen was not designed for economic running but for cheapness of construction. I'm sure you can add many more examples. A lot of the problems stemmed from the poor advice that was proferred by selfserving opportunists and this will continue until a greater commercial awareness has developed.
To my mind a good deal is one in which both sides benefit. There have not been many of those in the past.
Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 11:39:03 (UTC)
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Arthur, Heather, Craig et al
Clive and I have just browsed through the photos of the LARK. We're so happy you all had such a good time. Arthur, because you're not really Sarky, I was especially happy to see 'the one that got away' and your smiling face.
Heather, what a great thing you did for those lucky larkers. We're envious but happy that you all had such a great time. Those photos are fantastic.
Thank you all for the memories.
Philip, I just knew you would have some funny stories for us arising from the Lark. Well done.
Got to go. We're going to the rugby - Samoa vs Uraguay but REALLY looking forward to Saturday's game. SA vs England. Perth is full of Africans and we've had so much fun with them all. Dancing till dawn and just catching up with old friends.
Clive and Marilyn Noall
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 11:20:59 (UTC)
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HEATHER,
Thanks for the info regarding the phtographs, Last night my brother in law who was visiting, down loaded some free software which blocks pop ups, If any one else is having similar problems, visit www.panicware.com and download their free pop up blocker . It does work.
Regards barribee.
Barrie Braidford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newcastle upon Tyne, England Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 10:47:32 (UTC)
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Hi Kevin...
My mom worked at the Parker Primary girls hostel.
..Peter
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 08:07:53 (UTC)
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Hi All,
I am attempting to join the band of posters again as opposed to lurkers.
Mike Wilson
Thanks for your kind words. It was easy really, one of the secretary’s working here had worked for CPC for many years and knew most of those still there so I asked her to make the enquiries and arrangements. She also set up the mine visit for Arthur and Craig plus their driver who shouted at Craig coming back from Shiwa because he drove too slow. She didn’t get caught in speed traps though as did some drivers around the time of the Lark but that is another story.
Peter Dielissen
Did your mom work at the hostel attached to K.G.VI? I was at the boys hostel from 1961-65. The last year they moved us all into the Parker Primary hostel to save on expenses. I think that our matron was a Mrs. Stokes who one day had to inspect the damage done in a rather embarrassing place after a blister beetle got into my underpants. As the saying goes get rid of the pain and save the swelling.
Jacqui
My dear Jacqui, I am so embarrassed to this day at having forgotten to get in contact with you at Nyala. Out of all the horrible and mundane jobs Heather gave me to do once I reached Livingstone the only nice one was to meet and greet you and I fluffed it. Sorry.
To everyone at the reunion, you were really a super bunch and I look forward to meeting you and new friends in the future. N.R./Zambia has always had a reputation for the friendliness of its people of all races and I could find no fault over that weekend. (traffic cops excluded). To those that traveled with me, thank you for your company and the gifts (hic), they are going down very smoothly.
Lastly, Heather did all the work so all credit must go to her, I just did almost everything that I was told to do.
Superstar???? has just sent me my ID. and password, now I have no excuse, here goes.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia Wednesday, October 15, 2003 at 07:39:09 (UTC)
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Fiona:
I showed the piccie of the strongmen to my husband without clarifying who they were. He was quite surprised at what good shape our GNR attendees were in, and told me, "You've got another think coming if you are expecting to go to the Siavonga Soiree on your own, chum!" Ah... I love a good old wind up.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 22:14:01 (UTC)
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Re: development
I wonder if self help projects might be one of the answers. i.e. the Zambian government contributes construction materials if the local community agrees to provide labor for building and maintaining schools, sewage systems etc. Thus the limited resources of the government could be stretched to assist more people, and the local population would have a stake in maintaining facilities that benefit them.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 22:11:56 (UTC)
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Heather writes:
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Much of the money we receive comes in as loans rather than grants; and loans have to be repaid. I recently had lunch with the IMF representative here. One of the questions I asked him was 'when was the IMF going to stop giving us loans which are keeping us in perpetual poverty and which our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are still going to be paying back.' He didn't like my question, neither did he like the fact that I had asked it and neither did he manage to give me an answer which satisfied me, which only reinforced my opinion that all the aid and loans etc are given to developing countries to keep them in the poverty spiral.
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Note sure in what capacity you asked the IMF bloke that question, but assuming you were not appointed by the GRZ, one might sympathise with his discomfort with your question. No lender ever enters into a loan agreement with the intention of making the borrower poor and poorer. Loan applications are submitted with a clear documented purpose - eg. infrastrucure projects, or infrastructure maintenance etc. , and invariably include a repayment schedule. All too often, the borrower fails to meet many of the covenants, and then the loan is either written off, or converted into a grant. This also happens in the private sector to be sure, but such borrowers are added to a blacklist (no pun intended), and they will have a devil of at time borrowing again in the future. This is the way it ought to be, yes?
In a peverse kind of way, I agree with you that World Bank/IMF type loans should be discontinued, or managed more aggressively, to avoid throwing perfectly good money into bottomless pits like Zambia. Perhaps the private sector can do a better job. e.g. the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation recently donated X Billions to the people in Mozambique for the construction and operation of a number of anti malaria clinics. You can bet your bottom dollar that the foundation will ensure the success of the operation, at least in the medium term.
More photos please. That Zambia sky color is incredible, and I can "smell" the bush looking at the images of the old country
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 20:39:17 (UTC)
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Dear every one I got on line around lunch time today,
I have had over 1000 Ems to delete mostly spam from the US and I am going to add a liitle addition to my address to foil them I will let you know when, My troubles all started on the day my kids were going back to university, they came in the morning and dumped a state of the art pc on my desk for my birthday as they will not be here then they said it was set up and transferred some stuff over to my new one from the old it turned out they had only transferred my Pic library over and left me wih all the settings and everthing to sort out I was like a fish out of water with the task, mean while I found out later they had dumpt my old set in a bin in town, with all my jokes my address file the Zonke Gone, I am still crying, but I will return once I get the hang of this devil i have now got, Johnny. sob sob.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 17:55:41 (UTC)
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CJ
You should visit New Kabul yourself - whoever told you that you need a 4X4 for Broadway was telling stories - the road was completely resurfaced about two years ago, so there is not a pothole in sight. But yes, the town is taking strain after the closure of the mines. However, the railways have just been 'privatised' - I put that in inverted commas because it is not complete privatisation. I am not sure of the full details but management is now being done by Spoornet. But how about we give the town a bit of a booost - next year is its centenary - lets have a reunion there - at the Elephants Head or at Mulungushi Boat Club.
On the CTC, I agree, lets play it by ear and decide closer to the time what we are going to do - perhaps just drinks somewhere.
Barrie
If you right click on the picture, there is a facility to 'save picture as'. I was told recently how to stop the pop ups - I'll look for the link and let you have it tomorrow.
Fiona
Why do you want to photograph them? You should be drooling over them.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 16:11:54 (UTC)
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Hello to you all again, really peed off that I couldnt go to Livingstone, I have really enjoyed the reads and the pictures. Congrats to Craig you brave stupid sod, what an experience that must have been!! I keep going back to Arthurs picture of you just launching into the chasm and I try to imagine what you are thinking at that moment...!!???
JOHNNY, I have just sent you a test email 16-00hrs GMT.
I hope you recieve it.
TO the PC EXPERTS, can I download any of the site pictures into my own files and if so, HOW?? I am using XP.
ALSO Any ideas on How to stop these bloody JIMMY SURF POP UPS, They really are driving me mad. this message has been interupted at least ten times and I have been typing away only to look up and find another pop up and none of what I had thought I had typed!!!
Kindest regards to you all,
Barribee.
Barrie Braidford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newcastle upon Tyne, England Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 15:20:47 (UTC)
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HEATHER
Well, being the pursuasive organiser you are, can you please arrange for the GNR men to strip down to teeny weeny bikinis and pose around the pool at Kariba in 2005 and I will happily photograph them. The World's Strongest Man and Woman contest was being filmed at the Falls when we were there. We watched the start of it but it got too hot standing around waiting and we left. Apparently it will be shown on TV in December/January. I have to admit they were not a particularly pretty sight for the most part.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 15:13:11 (UTC)
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Johnny
I sent you an email on the 12th......have just sent you another...21.21 WA time.......
heres hoping it will get to you..
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 13:30:45 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Friends visited BH(Kabwe) a few months ago, and they told me it's s a real heartbreak to see how the town has declined. Apparantly, Broadway can barely be negotiated in a 4X4. It just shows how much dependence was placed on the Railways and the Mine. Well. At least I still have the memories. How was the fsihing? Any 'Nembwe' or 'Konokono'? I've heard rumours of a half-dozen ' Ngwesi' bandied about. Did you fly fish or rely on i'sundu (worms)? Thanks for posting the snap of the two Broken Hill roses with a thorn looking lost between them.
Doug Grewar
I'm taking your advice and will drink the Mosi. After all, a good beer, theoretically, has a shelf life of about six weeks.
Bob Gillies
Wayne Milward IS on the GNR and happily esconced in East London (SA). There's nothing wrong with your memory - same guy.
Heather C
Let's play it by ear - and see what we can arrange.
Johnny G
I emailed you my new email address via the site. Maybe there's a backlog of pending emails for you.
Craig
Well done on the bungee. I bet you've been on a high since. I know - I was on a high for a few days after I did a much smaller bridge jump. A truly amazing experience.
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 13:07:14 (UTC)
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Eureka!
Just checked email and got the confirmation from Johnny requested below. Johnny should shortly be back in business sending out terrible emails.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 13:00:14 (UTC)
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Bwana Marconi Green
How about investing in some talking drums and hiring a couple of fast runners? I got your email and sent you a reply about 40 minutes ago without receiving the requested email acknowledgement. Mind you, you may be down at the pub. I have to go out now but hope all is actually well with your email.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 12:50:13 (UTC)
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Dear Linda thanks for letting me know you had sent me a script and know I never recieved it , it is amazing I get get the GNR, and I recieve at least 200 spams a day from the states but not one personal EM in 4 days now, I will send out a test text out to you Fiona, Jaqui,and Gill,and Tina just now and please let me know on here if you recieve them PLEASE and then I will know I can still wind you up until I get every thing fixed again thanks Buddies Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 07:56:20 (UTC)
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Patrick O'Connell, Lesley Clapp
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Northerners
When Craig lived in the Land of the Bamba Zonkes, Nyaminyami and the other gods conspired and he left the country without having visited the Victoria Falls. Fortunately, during the Lark, he was able to see them from the best side (read the northern side) first and on Sunday morning after the Lark, I was privileged to be able to take him across the border so that he could see them from 'his side'. Here are a few photos.



I also had the privilege of taking Craig and Arthur round the Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park at Livingstone. One of the giraffes we saw came up to the car and had a good look at the two of them ...

... then walked away in disgust

Catching Up
Rubbish on Zambia's streets. Yes, money is the problem, but there are other reasons, the most important one I would say is education and in this case, basic education on hygiene, But it is a never ending cycle- without education, you don't have the money and if the money is not there, the education is not available.
The other problem is that of 'chaboma' (derived from the word BOMA) - everything is Government's responsibility, which includes collecting and disposing of rubbish, keeping the general surroundings clean and many other things. Part of this I think started in the days of KK and UNIP, the 'first and second republics', where they tried to keep control of everything, where initiative was not recognised. Unfortunately the attitude still exists today - we have an entire generation who have grown up believing that everything is government's responsibility.
Does the Mwanawasa government have a plan? From where I sit, I can't see it. In fact, this week there is supposed to be an 'indaba' which will bring together all parties to talk about the problems facing us today. I take a very cynical view of this 'indaba' and the question we are asking is 'ini ndaba indaba?'
And what worries me even more is that they are going to come up with 'a roadmap' at the end of it!!
No mosquito bites? This is possible with the use of insect repellents, the best one being citronella oil - ask Craig, nothing, let alone a mozzie would come near you. Tsetse flies? These are a bit more difficult as repellents don't work on them. The only way to avoid them is to avoid the tsetse areas, which are really only where there is wild game around (or keep the windows of your car closed if you are in a tsetse area)
On the question of the church. That was the Anglican church in Chipata (Fort Jameson), built somewhere round the beginning of last century and still in use today.
Tina Magee
You ask what individuals can do? Plenty, but I would guess that the best thing that can be done is education.
I know that many people already sponsor individual children although I am not sure what the child 'sees' of this sponsorship, and what benefit the child is getting. One assumes that somewhere, somehow, some of the money goes towards school fees for the child. This is great except for one thing - our non-private education system is now so deplorable that the child would probably be better off without any education at all.
During the KK era, our schools aimed to produce students who were employable rather than teaching them skills that would enable them to start their own businesses. This is what we need - people with skills that can produce something - carpenters, plumbers, electricians, metal workers, auto-mechanics, etc rather than people with important sounding academic qualifications but who can do very little practical.
What Peter Bromwich says about aid is also 100 percent correct. And my opinion of foreign consultants is even lower than that of 'just plain consultants'.
Much of the money we receive comes in as loans rather than grants; and loans have to be repaid. I recently had lunch with the IMF representative here. One of the questions I asked him was 'when was the IMF going to stop giving us loans which are keeping us in perpetual poverty and which our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are still going to be paying back.' He didn't like my question, neither did he like the fact that I had asked it and neither did he manage to give me an answer which satisfied me, which only reinforced my opinion that all the aid and loans etc are given to developing countries to keep them in the poverty spiral.
I can give you hundreds of examples of projects set up by donor agencies which are total and unmitigated disasters. One which comes immediately to mind was one which I visited about two years ago - I shall not name the donor country, but they spent in excess of US$ 6 million setting up an irrigation system on one of our smaller rivers in a drought-prone area. Their first action was to build a dam on a silt-carrying river. Within two years the dam had silted up. Following this they built a huge 'pyramid' contraption across the river on which they placed an enormous pump and sunk a shaft into the river. By the end of the first wet season, the casing of the shaft had been snapped in half by the water. They then proceeded to set up solar panels and pumps to pump water directly out of the river and some boreholes. The result was a solar panel city, 24 of them in total I think and something like 20 hectares of land under irrigation, keeping 20 villagers in business. Now compare this with a project which a friend of mine started - he gave one of the villagers a total of US$ 2,500 and this man now has a business going where villagers bring in honey to him, he cleans it, bottles it and resells it. It gives him a living and 50 or 60 villagers too.
On the issue of agricultural subsidies - again Peter is correct. And it is not only beef, cotton and maize. My father was one of the earlier wheat producers and having grown up in a wheat growing area in South Africa, he knew his stuff and obtained phenomenal yields, to the extent that one day, another farmer arrived at the farm with all the equipment to measure the sizes of my dad's fields because he did not believe the yields. He then checked all the delivery notes to the milling companies and only after that did he believe him. But for many years, in October, just as the Zambian wheat crop was being reaped and delivered, consignments of 'aid' wheat would arrive from Germany and Canada, pushing down the price of locally produced wheat. We also had a very interesting wheat project funded by the Canadians that was trying to grow rain-fed wheat. Their yields were so poor that they measured them in buckets per acre!!
Another damaging example of aid - in August when I was in the Western Province, I had lunch in Senanga with someone from the Ministry of Agriculture. He has been in Senanga for 8 or 9 years working as an extension officer, teaching the villagers there how to grow maize and other crops and was starting to see a lot of success with many of the villages having excess grain to sell in the towns. Last year, Oxfam arrived to give them free food because of the drought. This year the farmers have refused to plant crops because they are expecting handouts from Oxfam and the like again.
Another example - salaula. Or what you would call second-hand clothes. All the clothes that you give to Oxfam etc are brought to Zambia and sold very cheaply. This is great because our people can now dress in the latest European fashions and I can buy a pair of jeans here for about US$ 6. But as salaula came in through the font door, our textile and clothing factories left by the back door.
Lets also talk about Zambia's refusal to accept genetically modified maize last year. I know government's stated reasons were because they were concerned about the long term effects of GM food on the health of the population. Our concern was this:
Every villager keeps back some of their maize to plant the following year. So the WFP et al go around the country delivering GM maize to all the villages. They mill most of it but keep back some for planting during the forthcoming season.
A friend of mine got some GM maize and planted it as an experiment. At the end of the growing season, there were beautiful, enormous cobs on the plants. But open the cobs up and there was not a single pip inside. Imagine the starvation if this were to happen throughout the country?
And imagine the scenario where the GM maize contaminates our local maize varieties which it would undoubtedly do. We would then, forever, be dependent on some foreign company which produces GM maize seed and who can then name their price.
If you really want to do something, pressurise your politicians to stop giving aid to developing countries and to stop subsidizing your farmers. And pressurise your friends to stop giving away their old clothes to Oxfam. Yes, it is going to be very hard for us to start off with because we are now completely depdendant on aid, but after a few years, we will get ourselves sorted out. And if your governments want to give loans, let them give them to private sector operators on a commercial basis and where people have good track records. And don't channel it through the commercial banks here where they put on their own commissions bringing the annual interest rate up to between 12 and 18 percent on the Dollar.
And if you want to do something on a one on one basis like sponsoring a child, look into it very carefully and see how much goes on administration costs and how much actually benefits the child. And if necessary, ask me to investigate from this end.
And encourage all your friends to take their annual holidays in Zambia - there is much to see and much to do because it really is the Real Africa.
Fiona Gayther
Ag sies man!! What are you doing looking at all those horrible creatures when we have our own GNR men to look at and ours beat them hands down every time.
I guess we could make Siavonga 2005 during the rainy season - for me it is no problem but if you are intending to visit any place way off the beaten track, you will probably find it unaccessible or else it would have to be early in the rainy season before things get too wet. The rainy season is also not the best time because of the prevalence of malaria during that time, unless, again, it is early on. The advantage during the rainy season is that everything will be clean and green.
Yunnus Badat
Some photos of Ndola as requested:

Arthur
If you keep making comments about my driving, I won't be your friend anymore.
And just imagine ... all this time I thought you had enjoyed me rubbing your chest as I slammed on brakes, to keep your head from making another crack in my already cracked windscreen.
CJ
It is Dave Gray you should be thanking for the bottle of Mosi - it was his idea and he who did all the hard work of carrying it to you. Thank you Dave.
If you've got another big function you are organising in February, then we can give the CTC a miss until later - it will be enough for me if I can only meet you. Roll on February.
Jacqui
As you know, Craig has another bungee jump to do, so we are thinking of going back down to Livingstone next month and will probably do the microlight flight at the same time. In fact, I've more or less promised that I'll do it. Am I crazy or what?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 06:06:11 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the effort and time to go and photograph my old house at 6-4th.Avenue.
While looking at the picture I had to take a swig of neat Scotch to explain the tears in my eys. There are so many memories in that photo that came rushing back. Things I had forgotten like the Mango tree in the right foreground which I fell out of as a kid and put me in hospital for a week for the first time since I was born. (Been back in hospital only once more in my life.)
Looking at the window sills reminds me that as kids we would have a challange to see who of us could traverse the house without your feet touching the ground. Climbing from sill to sill and using bits of rope hung from the eaves where there was no foot hold. If you touched the ground you would have to go back to the start at the kitchen door.
The red polished steps (they were red polish) of which all the floors in the house were the same. Our lounge had carpets and the other rooms had Lino.
When my Mom got her first Hoover floor polisher, my job on Saturday morning was to put the red polish down on all the exposed areas of the floor and Mom would use the polisher to polish as she would not allow the House Boy to operate it.
Closing my eyes I can see the inside of the dining room, which as kids we were not allowed to play in. (For my Dad's 20 years service, the Rhokana Coperation refurnished the entire house with brand new furniture. This he later purchased for a nominal amount when the mine stopped supplying furnished houses.)
My bedroom window, where a large fruit bat that I shot while it was feeding in the guava tree one night, attached itself to my window and died, dripping blood down the window. With my mind filled with thoughts of Dracula, cured me from peeing out the window at night. (I once took a fruit bat to school which I found dead in the back lane which had a wing span of over three feet. It was bottled and kept in the biology lab.)
I see the Avo tree in the back yard is still there. We used to use Avos the size of which one would pay a fortune for today as ammo to throw at the ones still in the tree to knock them down. Talking of Avos. Who didn't have a growing Avo pip with matches stuck into it standing in a jar of water on a window sill?
Sticking out above the roof of the house I see what looks like the large Congo Oak tree
which was twice struck by lightning and got my Mom and Dad's photo onto the front page of the newspaper. The photo was of them standing amongst the fallen branches, with a story about lightning never striking in the same place twice (We wrote new rules for that one). I had a cat that used to sleep in the fork of the tree, which we later found dead in it's sleeping position while cleaning up after the strike.
I look at the verandah roof and think of the many times I had jumped off there into my Moms beautiful flower beds. ( This had to be a running jump as my father had built an awning to keep the morning sun out of the verandah.) and then trying to fix the flowers up so the" old lady" wouldn't have a fit.
I Look at the front door and think of all the times that I came home late in the evenings and had to call my Mom to open the door to let me in. (The boys never had keys of their own but had to wake the "old lady " to let us in.) Thinking back I think that was her way of checking on us. Mom always said that she could not go to sleep until we were all home safe.
Loking at the lounge windows I recall coming home early one evening to watch one of the following programs which may have been on T.V. at the time. It could have been Raw Hide, River Boat, Cimmeron City, Bonza, Have Gun Will Travell or Maveric (I loved Westerns ) and as I entered the lounge there was Richard Chamberlain singing " DREAM" just before the start of Dr. Kildaer. I think R.T.V. did an over- kill with the video clip BECAUSE all the girls swooned when they heard the song. ( Gee Guys ! did we have competition? )
I remember coming home from a session and finding my Mom in tears because J. F. Kennidy had been assanated.
I still look at the " Vietnam" war as my war, because at my age and at the time, if I was an American I would have been there. The news in the evenings showed so much footage of what was happening at the time that my mind goes into full stop.
In the photograph from Arthur, there is a what looks like a Pine tree in the area on the left hand side of our driveway. This area was occupied by another large Congo Oak at the time I lived there. My brother Arnold used to park his Vauxhall Victor under this tree. One afternoon while playing with my pellet gun and not checking what was behind my target, missed and took out the side window of his car. I never got to tell him it was me.
When Arnold left home I got his room which was at the end of the verandah. One night around midnight I was awoken by knocking on the front door and went to investigate. I found my best mates Mom, Mrs. Walker standing there in her pajamas, nightgown and slippers.
Mrs. Walker had been in the Nkana hospital and decided to leave and wanted to go home. As we didn't have a car or a phone, I walked the old girl all the way to the Post Office to phone Winkie to come and fetch his Mom. On being dropped at home again I had to get my mother to open the door as I had locked myself out. My Mom didn't believe a word of my story when I tried to explain why I was dressed and outside. She had recognised the sound of the Walkers V.W. and put two and two together. This was finally sorted out some time later when Mrs. Walker was taken back to the hospital and my Mom went to visit her.
I could go on for pages and pages because the photo just stimulates my memory. I will save some of my recollections for my growing up in Nkana stories.
Once again Arthur, I thank you. A real man of your word.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 05:49:01 (UTC)
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Johnny:
I also sent you an email because I was afraid you would drink yourself to oblivion if at least one of us did not make the effort to contact you.. he! he! Obviously you are still having problems as you did not respond.
Jacqui:
You have now officially taken over the honour of being called The Main Bun!! What an experience that microlight flight must have been. You go, girl!!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Monday, October 13, 2003 at 23:11:45 (UTC)
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Broken Hill Girls Hostel...
Do anyone remember my mom working there - Joice - between 1963 - 1968? About the same time as Mrs Todd the Chemistry teacher.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Monday, October 13, 2003 at 22:09:23 (UTC)
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Arthur
Don't forget my hometown is Broken Hill and my family huge - plenty of stones and matches!!!! Lots of luv.
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, England Monday, October 13, 2003 at 20:59:31 (UTC)
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ARTIE
Kevin was cross because we'd just reached the end of the 50 kph sign and he started to speed up and was stopped by the police for speeding. Fortuitously the curio sellers were there too, though we didn't bite. He was not a happy man and we await the outcome.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Monday, October 13, 2003 at 19:31:40 (UTC)
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Brasso
Please give Cookie my best wishes for a speedy recovery. And belated birthday wishes to you for your 50th, count every day as a bonus from now on you old git.
Ada, cut back on the Drambue and you will see all the pics I posted.
CJ Hope you're also feeling better ole mate. Stand by for my next posting - I had to pass through New Kabul on the way to Nkana Kitwe - BH seems to have disappeared.
Arthur
Hi Arthur
Attached are a couple of the photos of my microlight trip - to post on the message board! I am sorry they are so huge - I got one of the girls here at work to scan them for me and I don't know how to reduce them!!
Hope it won't be a problem for you!

I can't wait to hear your stories of your trip up north (and the fishing too - of course!) I hope the copperbelt trip was not too traumatic for you. Take care my friend - you are very special.
Jacqui
Arthur, here are a few photos for the GNR if you are interested.



I wasn't sure how to put them in order and have narrative attached to each one so I hope the captions are sufficient.
Fiona
Jacqui
You are special too, it was good have have seen you again. Looking at the pics I now wish I'd taken the microlite flight as well now! Maybe next time though nothing would convince me to to the bungee jump. Ever.
Fiona
Brilliant pics - wihich one is Des in the strongest man photo? And why was Kevin angry?
Nice sunset - yawn.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Monday, October 13, 2003 at 19:16:14 (UTC)
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Gary
Best wishes to Cookie. A stroke can be baaad news.
Dawie
Best wishes for the op. I had to click on the whip! hyperlink to go the AutoDesk Express Viewer download site.
Hatley & Sue
I am glad you made it safely back to UK. Sorry I missed you in Lusaka.
Charles
I know what you mean when you say your birthday suit needs ironing. I have the same problem after slimming from 44" waist to 38" after an op. Drink the Mosi. Keep the bottle.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Monday, October 13, 2003 at 18:14:53 (UTC)
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JOHNNY
I definitely sent you a message yesterday. You obviously have a severe problem if you aren't receiving emails. Better take your computer to have it fixed I think. Hope to see you back here soon.
xxxxx
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Monday, October 13, 2003 at 18:07:49 (UTC)
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Dear Brasso give my regards a and best wishes to Cookie and my hopes of a quick recovery for for him, he was such a fit guy the last thing I thought of was him becoming ill but was happy to hear you say he seems to be on the mend give my love to the kids and to Cookies wife Johnny.
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I have still got plenty problems with my PC, it is a brand new one but it is Shupering me Steric, I have recieved over 1000 spam messages on it in four days but not one personal message from any one please let me know if any of yours have come back to you and please let me know on the road if you would, I canot believe that no one has sent me one over the past 4 days thanks Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, October 13, 2003 at 17:20:58 (UTC)
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Gary (Brasso),
Heard about Alan's stroke, Please give him my best. Is he still in the panel beating business,I am sure thats what he was up to in Kitwe as a youngster (as we all were then). Where are all the sisters??
Charles Cartmill, You mention Wayne Milward. Is he on the GNR. I am sure he was at Broken Hill School, Tom Parker as a boarder around 1959, and had a brother there. I am testing my memory here, please confirm!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Monday, October 13, 2003 at 16:20:06 (UTC)
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Hi All
Sue and I returned from Africa yesterday after one of the best trips we have ever made. I have so much to say about our trip to Zambia and that I need time to gather my thoughts before I put it all together.
A lot has been said about the Lark events and I would just like to add my thanks to Heather for a most enjoyable weekend.
I have a number of photos that I need to go through before anything is posted so will get on to this as soon as possible. Heather/Arthur, sorry I didn't leave a CD for you, just could not find the time while we were in Lusaka.
Zambia
In brief, I can't describe in words the magnificence of the Zambezi River as if flows past the Royal Livingstone Hotel on it's way to the falls, it has to be seen to be believed. I just hope that some of the photos I have taken do it justice.
Lusaka created very mixed emotions, the high walls around nearly every house gave a feeling of clostrofobia, the city itself could do with a good scrub and the litter that seems to be everywhere does create an eyesore. So saying this I can see hope for the future, please let me be right.
We stayed +-45Ks north of Lusaka at the Protea Lusaka Safari Lodge, a more peaceful place you will not find anywhere in the world. There were Kudu and Tsassabee grazing on the lawn, Bushbuck meandering through the chalets, Zebra, Waterbuck and Fish Eagle around the dam and not forgetting Mphamvu the 13 year old elephant who raided the bins most mornings all with the constant hum of the Zambian bush it is a place to relax and enjoy a few cold Mosi.
I intend trying to describe my return to Zambia after 26 years with the support of photos. Will get this done as soon as possible.
While in Lusaka I visited most of the schools, Northmead, Girls School, Boys School, Kabulonga, the Convent and Woodlands. With the exception of Woodlands I have photos of them all.
For those who asked me to photograph houses I didn't bother. Apart from the fact that finding the right house would have been a problem you would have been presented with a photo of an 8 foot wall and solid iron gate.
I couldn't take too many photos around Lusaka, difficult while driving, but hope to have most of our travels on video that Sue was taking while we were getting around. If I can I will take out snap shots from the video of anything I consider of interest.
I managed to see a few old friends who still reside in Lusaka but not nearly enough of them. Never mind there is always the next time and it will not be in another 26 years.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom Monday, October 13, 2003 at 15:58:02 (UTC)
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My mother was a fan on the Rhodesian artist Joan Jocelyn and we had an opportunity to buy an original painting before we left Zambia but never acted on it. I believe the paining was of Vic Falls. Does anybody know where we can purchase artwork by this artist? I looked on the web and can't find anything. One or two entries mentions her as a predominant Rhodesian artist but doesn't offer any of her works for sale. On ebay when you ask about Zambia or Rhodesia you get mostly old currency and stamps (the old currency - no longer legal tender) and an occasional curio or two. If anyone can direct my search it would be very much appreciated. Thank you,
Tim Brubaker, Lancaster, PA
Timothy Brubaker [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States Monday, October 13, 2003 at 15:13:04 (UTC)
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Gary
Please tell Cookie we send him a hug and hope the doctors speedily sort out the cause. Don't forget among your other travels the Brassington clan still has a date to come over here and play.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Monday, October 13, 2003 at 14:32:56 (UTC)
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KEVIN SHONE Hi Kevin,
I have received some brilliant photos from Arthur who tells me that if it had not been for you he would not have been able to enter the CPC village to visit my old home. Thank you for all that you did. Your efforts are highly appreciated. Hopefully I'll be able to thank you in person next year.
Mike Wilson
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom Monday, October 13, 2003 at 12:59:20 (UTC)
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Graham and Debbie
Thank you so much for the wonderful evening we spent with you. Thanks for the fantastic hospitality. It was good to see Dave again. Katelin is adoreable, so good. Look forward to seeing you both again on 18th. Have you managed to sort out the babysitter?!!!!!!
Arthur
The pics you put on are great, thanks for the memories. I have not seen them all as yet but will sit down and do so soon.
Lots of luv
Gary
So sorry to hear about Cookie. What a shock for all of you. We hope he is now on the mend and taking it easy. Love to all your family and the kids of course. I will try not to start without you on 18th but will save the last bag of mealie meal for you!!! Cannot wait to see you again.
Lots of luv.
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, England Monday, October 13, 2003 at 10:59:43 (UTC)
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Northerners...
I intended emailing Heather privately, but her kind gesture deserves a far wider audience...
Yesterday I had the most pleasant surprise. David Gray paid me a visit and, on Heather's instructions, presented me with a bottle of Mosi Lager - straight from the Livingstone Lark. Some things haven't changed.
Sir Philip Mitchell G.C.M.G., M.C., in his book 'African Afterthoughts' (Hutchinson, Stratford, wrote about the extraordinary transport of 'trade goods' - from Blantyre to Fort Jameson and North-Eastern Rhodesia - for The African Lakes Corporation ("Mandala") circa 1915.
To quote from page 37...
"There were no organised caravans; a porter, or a group, simply went to 'Mandala' (African Lakes Corporation), 'Kubula' (British Central Africa Company) and so on, asked for a load for Fort Jameson, received it and setoff down the track that led, after some 240 miles, after a journey of many hazards from rivers, wild beasts and occasional robbers, lasting two to three weeks, to Fort Jameson, where loads were handed in and the pay drawn or, if desired and available, a return load for Blantyre. Pilfering, 'broaching cargo', was unknown and losses from all causes so small as to be negligible; and yet I remember being told by the General Manager of Mandala that they despatched (sic) up to 10,000 loads every year - mostly, of course, 'native trade goods'; that is to say calico, beads, paraffin, knives, hoes and axes and the like, things which were then currency up-country".
Those routes (the Chikwawa and Liwonde tracks and the Stevenson Road) had their own natural hazards. I'm sure David, bearing his precious cargo, must have encountered some man-made ones on his long journey from Livingstone to Cape Town. Nevertheless, I now sit with the quandary of whether to sip the golden nectar or keep it intact. A heartfelt 'Thank you" to Heather and David.
Heather...
I look forward to meeting you on the 14 Feb and, hopefully, I'll be able to organise a reunion. I'll need help from other CT based GNRs, as I'm in the process of trying to kick-start a Charity Race Day at Kenilworth Racecourse the following Saturday (Chris Swart - take note - I'll need pointers). February is a great time of the year in Cape Town, as the weather (read 'wind') is a bit more predictable and we usually have long, barmy evenings. What do you prefer? indoor (hire a hall/club/shell-hole) or outdoor (sea/braai/beach/etc)? Please let me know. Once again, thank you for thinking of me during the Livingstone Lark.
David Gray...
It was a pleasure meeting you for the first time. Thank's for all the effort you took to drop off Heather's gift. It has been greatly appreciated. I will keep in contact.
Beth Lloyd, Jacqui Milward, Stuart Goodwin, Cous. Shelagh and Wayne Milward..
Thanks for all the phone calls when I was 'man-down'. They were greatly appreciated and certainly helped to cheer me up. I've always been a bit 'on the lean side', but since the op. I've lost so much weight - my birthday suit now needs ironing!
Grant Knowles...
Sorry to hear about Stan. I read his obituary in The Cape Argus from Lynne Stokes, but never put the two together. My belated condolences at your loss. Please don't tell me you know Peter Barlow?
Well, that's as long as I can 'perch' (I still can't sit) in front of a computer. Time to get up and stretch my legs.
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa Monday, October 13, 2003 at 09:23:14 (UTC)
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Arthur!!!!
Wonderful! That is about all I can say about your superb report on the Livingstone Lark and the fantastic pictures. Seriously brought tears to my eyes. Heather what a lady - love U!
Craig: Sheer guts pal - bunjee boy!
Grant & Heather Knowles. Deepest sympathy to U and all familys on your sudden tragic loss.
Mark Powell!!!!
Looking forward to seeing U this Saturday 18th in Taunton for your farwell party before U emmigrate to Oz. Scarscalp ..... keep the beer cold as am arriving mid afternoon. Ada DO NOT START the drinking without me!
Cookie (Alan Brasso).
Now some somber news for those who know him. Cookie (aka my baby brother Alan) suffered a mild stroke on weekend of 4 October. It was a sudden mild stroke which left him temporarily paralized on his right side but fortunately he was fully recovered a few hours later. He has been warned by the doctors to ease up and is undergoing further medical tests to establish the cause. We in the family are all relieved that there have been no serious after effects. Obviously it was a big shock to all the family as Cookie is the baby of the Brasso clan.
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 22:18:50 (UTC)
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Larkers,
I have enjoyed reading the accounts of your trip, and viewing the pictures brought back many memories of Zambia, especially the blue sky ones. Heather, congratulations on a job well done!
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 21:53:25 (UTC)
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Hi Denise
you are quite right about the Goerge's. Their mom is my first cousin which I guess make the kids my second cousins.
I saw one of the twins for the first time since they left Northern Rhodesia all those years ago at my mom's funeral in 1999.
We did all of the usual of promising to stay in contact etc., but I suppose a lot of us are the same in that we don't follow through.
One of the great things about the Great North Road is that people can stay in contact without having to make prommises and commitments. (Guess thats why it's called "The Great North Road.")
Do you remember the beautiful fishpond the twins had in their yard stocked with silver tiddlers and the trapeeze that their dad set up in the yard for the kids? I realy miss those wonderful days when a kid could realy be a king of a castle.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 07:53:28 (UTC)
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Heather and Arthur:
Thanks so much for the wonderful selection of photographs, and details of your trip which made very interesting reading.
Johnny:
So sorry to hear of your computer disaster. Hopefully it won't be too long before your address book is back to how it was.
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 01:42:10 (UTC)
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Johnny..et al ......
A little tip I learned.................. to keep hold of your addresses , just in case of crashes, etc........print out the adress book so you have a hard copy....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 01:38:23 (UTC)
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OH WOE IS ME, Every thing on my pc wiped out except my treasured pictures would all my friends please send me an EM even a dummy so i can get you back into my address file PLEASE Thank You Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 18:17:27 (UTC)
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Dear Fiona, I have just added a little rider to Heathers thanks for the two bottles of booze she forgot to tell you she consumed both bottles the following evening, I am sorry to hear that you have not been feeling to good on your return with suspected malaria but would remind you that you are not a true Northern Rhodesian until you have 6 varieties of malaria 12 relapses and a dose of black water fever I hope you make a quick recovery and send me some funnies shortly Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 15:58:28 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Thanks for the fabulous pictures! I am glad you found my land rover with her 'very afred' signage!
Your story was great, cannot wait for the next installment. The railway museum looks super, another place to visit next time we go up there. Otto visited the croc farm on the Monday and said that was very good, too. I have photos of Craig and I riding Bob the Zimbabwean elephant and I shall get my technical director to send to you in a manageable format.
Thanks for the lovely pics - and it was wonderful to meet you.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 06:48:48 (UTC)
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OMIGOSH Artie........!!!!!
a picture paints a thousand words...and yours do, but also your words paint a thousand pictures.thank you..I say that with a tear in my eye...I feel so privilaged to have found this site and alsoto have been born in that beautiful country...thank you thank you thank you...
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 05:21:24 (UTC)
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NODDY JACKSON!! I have just spotted your name in the pending entries. What a blast from the past! Please contact me if you are still accessing the GNR. (What do you mean, you don't remember me... Ha! Ha!)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 04:05:58 (UTC)
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To Artie, Heather and all the others who have posted stories and photos of the Lark.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with those of us who were not able to make it. What a roller coaster of emotions, to be sure. I am convinced I would have had the time of my life with you, and yet experienced great sadness at the changes. The photos are incredible, the stories are fantastic! Heather, you are such an amazing person to have organized this for everyone. Kevin Shone, you deserve huge thanks too. How will you guys ever top this one??
To Grant and Heather Knowles:
My sincere condolences on your loss.
Jilly Aplin:
You just HAVE to send that piccie of you and your fish to the GNR to be posted! How come all you 50yr olds look years younger than me. Ha! Ha!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 01:00:35 (UTC)
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Northerners !
As there are a great pile of photos to be posted I will try and do them in manageable batches over the next few days and weeks rather than post everything in one go.
A note especially for the Larkers, some I know have quite a few photos of their own they would like posting on the board and I would ask that if at all possible you send them to me on a CD – If I get large batches of photos in my e-mail I will begin to sink under a great weight of megabytes. If you can burn you pics onto CD’s then please drop me a line and I will send you my postal address. If you cannot burn CD’s then please try your best to reduce the size of your pics below 100kb each. Thanks for you consideration.
I will post the photos I took myself in day order starting with the Livingstone Lark, but before I do this I would like to say a few words myself about Heather.
It seems forever ago since I conscripted Heather to help out with running the monster we all know as the GNR and in the two short years she has been here we all know what a huge contribution Heather has made to this website, she is so invaluable in helping many people obtain documents from Zambia, finding countless lost friends and relatives through her grapevine of contacts, getting those photos that many of us have requested of old places we all knew so well, and providing beautiful photographs of places we didn’t. In a nutshell she has been selfless in her dedication to the GNR and also her country, Zambia, which she both defends and loves to the last.
When I first asked Heather if she minded helping out with obtaining a few photos for the site, I did so for the benefit of the GNR, never realising what a good personal friend Heather would become to me and the rest of the politburo and also to so many of the members, back then it never crossed my mind that Heather would be the catalyst that would eventually lead to returning home myself one day. Now Heather has helped make that dream come true and the last few days and weeks have been a journey of nostalgia, pain and happiness, the Livingstone Lark was only a small part of the experience for me. Parts of my journey I can share with you all, some I cannot, my journey starts here.
Thank you Heather, my incredible and dedicated friend.
Arthur
The Livingstone Lark
Arrived early morning Thursday 25th September at Lusaka Airport and the first thing that hits this Northerner used to living in a cool world is the heat and bone dryness of the air, and it feels good. Officialdom rules and there are plenty of officials waiting to delay my eagerness to get through immigration to the arrivals lounge, plenty of pointless forms to fill in and produce to seemingly pointless people, and everyone seems to own a personal rubber stamp.
Eventually they let me through, outside Heather was waiting to whisk Craig and I to her home, which I found would be on the other side of Lusaka. Driving us fast (more of that later) out of the airport the first thing I noticed was the flowering bougainvillea and women carrying heavy loads on their heads, I knew instantly I was back in Zambia. In the next white knuckle hour my senses were filled with familiar sounds, smells and sights I remembered so well as a child, but also there were other not so familiar sights, I realised quickly other things had changed drastically, much more than I expected – I had been away 40 years or more. As we make our way traffic builds to the rush hour in downtown Lusaka, blue minibus taxis are everywhere, packed with more passengers than I could believe possible. Traffic lights are ignored, non-existent or partially working but everyone seems to know what to do, just keep moving. Office workers, schoolchildren and hundreds of people all heading in the same direction into town, others wait at road junctions to tout their wares to the standing traffic. Cars, trucks and minibuses abound which would normally be scrap in the UK, every vehicle seems to have a broken or cracked windscreen, these though are minor issues in Zambia. We pass by houses surrounded by high walls topped with broken glass or razor wire, gates manned by security, this I would find later to be the norm in the “better” areas of many towns. I see palacial houses contrasted by absolute grinding poverty on the boulevards, where people have made their homes and live in the open amongst piles of garbage and in squalor. Third World, but nearly everyone has a smile on his or her face.
Later that afternoon we returned to meet David Gray (a real gentleman) at the airport and we finally set off on the first leg of our long journey to Livingstone. Heading south to pass Chilanga, then over the Kafue Bridge where I glimpsed the river I knew so well as a boy. Next a police roadblock, Heather’s chatty politeness is returned by a quick wave through and shortly after we turned right at the next junction, taking the line of the original Great North Road and heading towards Livingstone.
Along the seemingly endless and first class road we pass through Mazabuka, Monze and Pemba, small towns, busy and dirty, thronging with aimless people. The bush as far as the eye can see has all gone, charcoal sellers are every half mile or less. This is not the country I knew and remembered.
The drive would take us longer than expected and we were still on the main road as darkness quickly fell. On this section of the Great North Road huge speed humps appear suddenly and without warning wherever there are little roadside villages, Heather manages to hit one particularly large speed hump in the darkness at about 90kph as she slams on the brakes at the last moment, too late, with a sickening crack, the suspension and sump take the impact, we stop and inspect the car. Seems OK. A few miles later another whiplashing emergency stop, a herd of cattle decide to cross in the pitch-blackness. A few inches to spare.
Half an hour later we make a turn off to break our journey overnight near Choma where we were all booked in at Masuku Lodge in the Nkanga River Conservation Area. The road is a wide, sandy, heavily rutted, corrugated dirt track. Eventually we start to see more bush and trees in the headlights, we are heading away from populated areas. Arriving at our destination and on getting out the car I hear the sounds of the African night, I look up at the sky, I see a black sky twinkling with billions of stars, just as I remembered. A warm welcome from Bill and Sue Somerset and a couple of cold beers await. I am too tired to eat and the unaccustomed heat begins to bite, I retire early to bed.

Next morning we spend some time looking around the grounds of Masuku Lodge, zebra can be seen in the far distance, a little later we get a fleeting glimpse of three or four sable antelope, not common in this area. A Fish Eagle alights on a tree.
We set off to complete our journey to Livingstone, from Simba the perfect road surface gives way to a rough but reasonable road surface, with the odd large pothole thrown in to surprise the unwary driver. From Simba the air seems to be getting even warmer as we make a slow decent towards the Zambezi. Roadside populations decrease and the bush becomes gradually more dense and thicker. I am surprised that miles and miles from any seeming habitation there are the occasional and very young children walking along the hot and dry road totally alone to a very distant school, dressed in immaculate clean uniforms with satchels on their backs, some children appeared no older than four or five years old.

Eventually arrived in Livingstone, I didn’t recognise a thing, although the main street through town still seemed to be in reasonable condition and many of the old buildings were still there.
Further on towards the Falls the rondavels where we used to stay when I was young seemed to have all disappeared. Arrived and booked into the Nyala Lodge outside Livingstone where we met up with Jacqui Millward, the Eldridge girls - Viv and Heather and Grant Knowles, fantastic people.
Chilled out until later that evening preparing out livers for the African Queen sunset cruise and dinner.
I cannot add much to what has already been said about the cruise on the African Queen; only to say it was a fabulous “do” and the music and food were every bit as good as described. Met the rest of the Larkers and we all had the time of our lives on board.


(All the names of the attendees are shown on Heather's previous posting)
Next day we took the helicopter trip around the Falls, well worth the money and a fantastic way of viewing the area. I took a good few photos, but since Heather and more recently Hartley Heaton have had their brilliant aerial photos of the Falls published on the GNR I will not bore you all with more. Earlier that morning Craig, Heather and I went for a drive around the local game park for an hour or so, saw the ubiquitous giraffe, antelope, zebra, buffalo etc. but also found a rhino, one of only four or five remaining in Zambia, the reason this one was still alive I suppose is down to the armed “minder” the rhino had tailing him in the distance.

Later Craig and I headed off to the Victoria Falls Bridge, once I had looked over the edge I didn’t need convincing of what I always suspected of Craig, totally off his trolley, but it was something he wanted to do and I wasn’t going to even try and talk him out of it, I was going to watch though. I never told him, but that bungee rope looked a little frayed in places, but they profusely assured him that there had never been an accident and they also made sure he signed their book waiving any responsibility and indemnity on their part if anything snapped and also made sure he paid the fee up front first. Clutching Ali to his heart he jumped over the edge, a few milliseconds later I heard a sort of scream sound, I looked over the edge, he was alive. He refused the spare pair of underpants we brought along so I swapped them for some curios with the hawkers on the bridge.
Went for a walk around the Falls on the Zambian side, as Mr Mugabe wanted $50 to let me in on a short day visa to the Zim side I let it go and decided to spend it on something better, so I headed off to the old Railway Museum in Livingstone.
I was impressed with the young guy that was looking after the place, considering the funding he was receiving - barely anything at all it was a miracle anything was available or surviving in one piece. there were a few gems among the sad and rusting relics of the glorious past. I will make no further comment, a picture tells a thousand words, so here are a few.

Heather was very busy for the rest of the day preparing the food for the Lark with her helpers, Craig had gone off for a ride on an elephant for six hours, we warned him of the fact the elephant has rough skin and the insides of his legs may get seriously chapped, but as usual he knew better and we so didn’t argue. Later that day i noticed neither he or Jilly Aplin were walking with banded chapped legs, I assume therefore they must be used to such things.
That evening the Lark itself was underway at last, first stop ice-cold beer and the croc tail, cooked to perfection by the army of braai tenders and fire pokers.
We raised a glass to absent friends and continued to chat, drink and eat the night away on a cooling African breeze. The food was fantastic, I knew the amount of time Heather and her helpers had put into making it so. Thank you all so much. I did not take many photos here as I was enjoying the braai too much, there were many photos taken so undoubtedly a lot more will follow.
Early next morning we crossed over the main railway line and had a quick visit up to the big old Baobab tree and then later headed for Livingstone picking up Peter Bennet to accompany us to Lusaka.

Just one thing though, on turning out of Nyala Lodge so early in the morning these blokes were 100 yards away having some breakfast. We tried to sneak the car past very quietly but this one had different ideas. Once he had let us know who was the boss, he grudgingly let us pass by.
We headed back onto the old Great North Road towards Lusaka but not before encountering evidence of a previous Lark

The next day we were going to be heading north and the possible excitement at comparing the standard of the petrol pump at Kipiri Mposhi with the one at Broken Hill, but to me the most important part of my visit was coming up, home to Nkana Kitwe, which I will recount on my next posting and let those who requested photos know how I went on.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 00:13:39 (UTC)
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Heather - The Great!
Thank you - thank you - thank you for finding the time (when you must be absolutely wrung out!) to post the photos. It was fantastic to see everyone enjoying themselves...
And while I'm on the subject - WELL DONE HEATHER and Kevin and anyone else involved in organising the Lark. Obviously a huge success. You deserve a rest now... a bit of pampering yourself...
I am presuming that the first ones were taken in Livingstone at the hotel and the second lot taken in Kitwe?
Arthur - you and Craig lying back in the boat... fishing on the Zambezi... I really enjoyed the classic arms akimbo shot, Arty! Surely that should be blown up, framed and mounted on your lounge wall?
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland Friday, October 10, 2003 at 22:28:39 (UTC)
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Dawie
Re Kitwe interactive map, I clicked on whip, it informed me that it had been replaced by Autodesk express viewer and took me to Autodesk's home page. The automatic download failed but the manual download succeeded.
I am still finding out which of my programs don't want to work with the new xp pro but am gradually coming right.
Peter
You have hit the nail on the head with your posting about aid. Some cynic once said it's a system to take money from the poor people in rich countries to give to the rich people in poor countries.
Des
You put it very well when you say it's still our old home.
Arthur
Thanks for the photo's. That one of me with Elizabeth at the dinner looks like it caught me in mid-cough. I will send you some photo's as soon as I can get xp pro to agree with my camera.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, October 10, 2003 at 18:29:05 (UTC)
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HI Craig,
I do know what the rules are, but thank you for posting that aspect of the rules as a reminder to all. I am more interested in viewing the photos from the recent Lark, than battling with our great founder.
But I would like to say this - if anyone, including the great one, embarks on an egotistical thread on the board, then the thread should surely be ventilated on the board? But then, perhaps, the Goose and Gander principle is subject to exceptions.
More photos asseblief tog, and looking forward to Arthur's report on his trip to God's very own Lake.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Friday, October 10, 2003 at 17:49:31 (UTC)
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May I try and pull together some of the threads that have cropped up in recent postings?
Sleeping sickness is caused by a parasite carried by the tsetse fly. Treatment is difficult, partly because of the size of the parasite. It’s fairly easy to kill bacteria because their metabolism is so different from ours that you can give an antibiotic that is lethal to them, but largely ignored by people. Many antibiotics only act on bacteria that are dividing, and large parasites do not divide. The sleeping sickness parasite is much bigger than any bacterium (imagine an amoeba with teeth and a tail and you’ll not be far off) and so drugs need to be tailored specifically to it. There are vaguely similar parasitic diseases that afflict the West, and they're just as difficult to treat here. As with so many diseases, prevention is better, and in the absence of a vaccine that means avoiding the tsetse fly. Older readers may remember the tsetse stations on main roads. They were not the most effective ways of dealing with the fly, but they were a lot better than nothing. Sadly, I think they’ve mostly disappeared now.
Malaria is a similar disease where prevention is better than treatment, and one of the most important preventive measures is eradicating the anopheles mosquito. The world came close to doing this with DDT, but that fell foul of trendy western environmentalists. DDT is toxic, but there was as much used to eradicate malaria from Guyana as was used by a single cotton plantation in Alabama. If we really wanted to save the planet, we would stop people growing cotton in the USA, and still use DDT in Africa, Asia, and South America.
There was another comment on the disposal of human waste in Lusaka. If you read Clive James’ autobiography there is an amusing incident involving the dunny man, whose job it was to empty the outdoor latrines every day, throwing the waste into a cart for disposal centrally. In China the waste was turned into compost, but I don’t know what happened in Australia. If a country as civilised as Australia can use such a system, which was also in use in Luanshya when I was a child, then there is no reason it can’t be reintroduced. Sure, it’s an awful job, and unemployable as I am I wouldn’t apply for it, but the combination of treated human waste and charcoal ash would be good as an organic fertiliser. It is a cheap and sustainable system, but not one that consultants favour.
If you talk to politicians in Europe and elsewhere they will tell you of the aid that they give countries such as Zambia. I think we all agree that they are not being truthful. An aid package of a couple of million dollars for waste management in Lusaka, for instance, would actually only pay for the services of a consultant from the donor country to fly to Zambia, give an opinion that ignored reality and recommended buying machinery and plant from the donor country. The Zambian government would be expected to pay for much of this “research”, and the cost of the whole project would probably be in the form of a repayable loan anyway.
So how do I tie this posting up with the request for something that ordinary citizens can do? Those of us who live in the USA, or Europe, or who trade with those countries, should think hard. Cotton is grown in the USA, or Spain, but can be grown better and more cheaply in Zambia and many other countries. It can be grown in Europe and the USA only because the government gives enormous subsidies to farmers. Even when it’s grown in Zambia, import duties prevent it being sold in the West. If we all told our congressman or member of parliament or whatever that we would sleep better at night if our sheets were made of Zambian cotton, spun in Zambia, and turned into sheets in Zambia, he or she would laugh, and point out that farmers in Alabama or wherever would lose out if they didn’t have subsidies. Not true. New Zealand abolished subsidies on farming years ago, and although it was hard, they succeeded.
I have a friend who farms in Zambia. He has had to stop faming maize. He can do it better, and cheaper, than farmers in Spain, but the European government subsidises maize to such an extent that it is effectively given away free in Zambia. That makes people in Europe feel good. They are contributing to famine relief. They are destroying farming in Zambia.
So, citizens of the West. Don’t let the environmentalists put the lives of malaria parasites above those of Zambians. Don’t let the need politicians have to buy farming votes allow them to destroy farming in Zambia. Allow free trade, so that beef and cotton from Zambia can enter your markets. A tonne of beef sells for more in London than a tonne of copper, and Zambian beef doesn’t give you CJD. And when you hear that your government, or your church, or your favourite charity, is giving economic aid to needy countries, ask yourself who benefits. Certainly not the recipient. If you want to give famine relief to Zambia, or Ethiopia, or whatever, send cash to someone like Heather and ask her to buy maize locally from local farmers. Or better still, buy maize seed.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain Friday, October 10, 2003 at 17:38:57 (UTC)
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Heather, Is that Anglican Church shown in 3 photos the one in Kitwe? If so I got married in it in 1974, but the grounds look a bit bare. Does the bucket at the door mean you need something this size for today's collections?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Friday, October 10, 2003 at 15:36:29 (UTC)
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THE LIVINGSTONE LARK.
Well I`m home and starting to recover ( but this may take some time).My huge thanks to Kevin Shone ( the man is a star), without your help I`d still be hitching a lift to Livingstone.
Heather (alias grabable bum ), what a wonderful reunion you and Kevin organised. Rating out of 10........11. absolutely superb time.
It was great to meet old friends back in Kitwe, Chris and Lorraine , Brian and Viv, Ray etc.
Grant and Heather, what a great surprise to see you again. ( grant please stop trying to encourage waiters to swim across the Zambezi ).
To all the ex Kitweites who never attended (silly buggers to those would could but didn`t ), well the old place hasn`t changed much, it needs a lick of paint and some tarmac on the roads, but otherwise it`s very much as I remembered it (who stole the Astra). The photos are being sent to Arty, but he probably won`t recover till next June.
It was a pilgramage and I`m so glad I made the effort, reliving all those memories ( never believe stories about how bad the place is, it`s still our old home ).
Finally, who stole all the alcohol out of the Mosi, you can drink that stuff all night and remain sober. And Heather the Crocodile tails were gorgeous.
Des Kenny (formerly Crouch) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wallasey, England Friday, October 10, 2003 at 14:21:12 (UTC)
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Seymour Ferreira, Viviane Turner, Ken Fernie
Best Wishes on your Birthday
NORTHERNERS
Not the best photos I'm afraid, but here are some taken at the Lark. More (and better ones) will be posted when Arthur catches up with himself. The names of the Larkers are in the filename, so hover your mouse over the fisheagle to see who is who.
The names ofthe Larkers were:
from Canada:
our beloved Craig
Steve and Margaret de Lange and their son and daughter-in-law, Art and Kathie
from UK
our Sarky Arthur
Fiona Gayther
Hartley and Sue Heaton
Des Kenny
Jacqui Milward
Peter Bennett
from Australia
John Steers
Peter and Paddy Greenhalgh
from behind the boerewors curtain
Doug and Francois Grewar
Dave Gray
Jill (nee Aplin) and Otto Masterton
Beth Lloyd
Vivienne Buitendag and her daughter and son-in-law, Laurie and Andrew Ackerman
Grant and Heather Knowles
Brian Townsend
Dave and Judy Stephens
Irene le Roux
Louise de Wet
and not forgetting, Kevin Shone, all the way from Ndola.



At the leftovers dinner in Kitwe were
Grant and Heather Knowles
Viv Buitendag
Des Kenny
Dave Gray
Fiona Gayther
Brian and Lillian Rowlands
Chris and Lorraine Cotton

and Arthur and Craig who it seems had over-indulged in Livingstone and were unable to sup some delectably cold Mosi with Brian Rowlands

Only two of my photos at the the Lusaka dinner were semi-decent:
Doug and Elizabeth and Doug with his son in law, Anthony

and this one of Des Kenny being rude to me ... again:

And for those who have been waiting for the fishing photos:
Arthur getting down to some serious business

and Shadreck, the boat man, doing a fish dance to entice the fish onto Arthur and Craig's hooks

and Arthur telling stories about the ones that got away

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, October 10, 2003 at 13:20:08 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm and all GNR Members
Chris, I suggest that you pose your question to Dave in private. Your posing the question here in public is nothing short of a threat.
The publishing by any member of private e-mail on this public message board, without the explicit permission of all involved, will be dealt with by suspending the membership of the person posting the message and deleting the message in question.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, October 10, 2003 at 09:53:19 (UTC)
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Dawie "KILIMANJARO" Cooper
Do I have your permission to post here your "Private" response to my recent posting?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 18:39:59 (UTC)
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Heather et al
Thank you for the photo! Wow... how cool. For the rest of you... I took the black and white photo of the statue of Livingstone that you see in the right margin with the caption "Livingstone Reunion September 2003" with a little Kodak Brownie camera during our Grand Tour of Southern Rhodesia back in 1962.
The photo was taken on the inbound leg of the tour... we were coming home. The outbound leg we went via Chirundu and Kafue. We visited all over Bombazonkeland... and included a zip down to Beira. Perhaps the best memories where in Inyanga and the Vumba mountains.
Heather, is that photo of the church, St. Michael's in Nkana? It looks familiar... my sisters were baptised in there. I was baptised in a "proper" church: St. Francis Cathedral, Johannesburg! See what THAT did to me?
Time to hit the streets... I have to get up in the morning! I forgot how... maybe I will just stay all night... I can nap on the train.
Tot gauw...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
Dave Cooper [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Amsterdam, Nederland Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 17:59:57 (UTC)
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Hilary,
Good to hear from you again, and yes we all remember you very well as a geoligist at nkana!! Hope you are keeping well. Polo Club is still doing well and every friday we have supper for K10,000:00 a plate. We also tend to sup quite a few amber necters!!! Last friday the party finished at 04.00 in the morning!!! Thank god most people don't work on Saturday's.
Tomorrow is the big day - the start of the World Rugby Cup!!! Sometimes I think that people here are more fervent about rugby than elsewhere!!!!
Over the next 6 weeks there will be a lot of "meetings" away from the office.
Lets hope that the Boks do well
Brian Rowlands [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Riverside, Kitwe, Zambia Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 16:59:41 (UTC)
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Ali - happy house hunting. Talk to Charlie. He will help you bag a good one.
Megsie - You have been a victim of the Bundoran Curse. (Well, one of them). How did you know that the answer was to eat plenty of good biltong? Watching a film like "Nowhere in Africa" breaks the charm too.
A discourse on relativity, and reducing age.
Having an enquiring mind has always been important to me. For instance let's take the Theory of Relativity. I have even formulated my own, i.e. "Any baby born into this world, must have relatives." My brain hurts. Let's move on to age.
A friend, in gentle gloom, was looking at the double digits that depicted her age. (Easiest fix - enjoy life and be yourself, sc*** the numbers). However, if you don't like the number, fix it. Numbers are all in how you look at them. F'rinstance I am 51, well 5+1=6 so obviously I am really six years old. If you are 39, 3+9=12 and 1+2=3. Good grief, if you are 111, 1+1+1 = 3, so you are really three ...and keep drinking the Yak milk.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 16:43:19 (UTC)
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HEATHER
Because you're worth it and a whole lot more. Thank you thank you for making everything possible. It is a trip I will never forget. It just went by too quickly. I've come back quite unwell (chest infection and generally feeling lousy) and am now on antibiotics as well having had a blood test for malaria this morning. I don't think I have it as I was on Lariam and was very careful about using mozzie spray, but I've been told to insist on a blood test if I felt unwell after I got back.
Sivavonga in 2005 sounds great! Can we come in the rainy season next time?
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 16:22:59 (UTC)
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Alison Butcher, Ron Clibborn-Dyer, Paul Fitzpatrick
Best Wishes on your Birthday
NORTHERNERS
I am feeling very sad as earlier this morning, I delivered Arthur safe and sound to Lusaka International Airport for his flight back to Manchester.
But all is not lost - I still have Craig here, on and off, for the next few weeks! Shame, poor Craig!!
I certainly enjoyed our travels over the last two weeks, but am going to leave Craig and Arthur to tell you about them (and Arthur will undoubtedly be posting many photographs) I do however have to admit to being very lazy - with both Arthur and Craig clicking away with their cameras, I took only a few photos. I do have some taken at the Lark, which I will try to post later today or early tomorrow (my internet connection is down but should be back up and running later today)
THE LARK
Of course there are many thank yous which have to be said for this, and here they are in no particular order:
Kevin Shone, without whom I could not have done it. Back in May, when I was starting to organise transport for people needing lifts to and from Livingstone, I phoned Kev and asked him when he was going down to Livingstone. His reply was 'You tell me when and that is when I will go' and as the time went on, his work load got heavier and heavier - collecting the meat from Chisamba on his way down, organising trips into CPC for photos, collecting crates, buying drinks and finally, making sure that all the drinks were on ice in good time. The only thing he forgot was to look after Jacqui!! Kev, thanks very much. (oops and nearly forgot - sorting out the dinner bookings last Friday when I was late AGAIN)
Gill Staden, in Livingstone, who kindly offered me use of her freezers for the meat, the use of her crates for the braai and the use of her kitchen for the melkterts and the sosatie sauce. I am not the neatest of people when it comes to cooking, so a very big thank you to Gill.
Brian Nel for the use of your freezer and verandah for storing the ice.
The various hotels especially Maramba River Lodge for allowing us to use their premises and the African Queen for the arrangements for the dinner and the band.
Brian Rowlands for sorting out the dinner bookings in Kitwe last Tuesday. It was good to see you and Lilian again.
The Thirty Three Larkers who travelled from outside of Zambia. It was for you that this was arranged and thank you all as I know it is not cheap getting here and neither is it cheap whilst you are here. I am sure it has also been a very difficult time emotionally for those who left here many years ago. But as Doug said - there have been improvements over the last few years. If we can only keep taking those steps forward..... And it was wonderful to meet those of you who I had not met before. And even more wonderful to meet those lurkers (John Steers, Peter and Paddy Greenhalgh, Peter Bennett, Brian Townsend - you no longer have a excuse not to post messages on this board)
Arthur and Craig - special thanks to both of you for making the trip. And thank you for letting me show you around the country afterwards. I hope you enjoyed yourselves as much as I did.
Dave Cooper, not only for your vision in starting this web site, but also for your encouragement to get this Lark organised. I'm just sorry that you could not also be with us.
And now to catch up with the goings on on the message board over the last two weeks ...
CJ
What do you know that I don't know? But if whatever it is doesn't work out, whilst I was away, I received an email from Ron Sayer who will be celebrating his 60th birthday in Cape Town on 14 February next year, so if I don't make it down to Cape Town before then (read that as 'if Charlie doesn't organise his Cape Town Caper before then'), I shall certainly see you then (or perhaps I should say that those are my plans for now).
I did think that perhaps we should organise the 'CTC' at the same time, on the evening before, but that might be too much partying for some people.
JOHN COSTOPOLOUS
Thank you so much for the Mufulira Magazines which are now in my aunt's custody. I don't know when I shall get down to Durban again or when I will be able to get them up here and then, when I will get them scanned , but I am working on this and hopefully in the not too distant future, we will have some very happy Mufulirans. I hope your house move went well and that you are now settled in your new home.
GEORGE MAXWELL
Usually, opportunity only knocks once but this time it might just knock more than once. How does a Siavonga Soiree in 2005 sound? If you and 50 others promise to make it, I will arrange it.
ATHAL JONES
Please keep in touch if you do make it here next year.
BRASSO
Sorry I missed your birthday. I did remember it, but never got around to posting a message - just a little busy at the time.
BRIAN GEYSER
Thank you very much for the CD's sent out with Hartley. We have not had a chance to listen to them yet, but now that we are back in Lusaka will surely get around to it in the next day or two (need to catch up on some sleep first)
DAVE GRAY
Delighted you found the farm without too many problems. I will reply in length to your email later. And thank you also for the bottle of Amarula which will be enjoyed over the next few weeks.
HILRY WILSON
Was reading your comments about Nkana Polo Club and them still functioning as stables. Amongst the polo fraternity, Nkana Polo Club is known as the Bamba Zonke of the North because of all the polo trophies which they refused to hand over when polo collapsed up there.
WIM BUKER
Is this the Anglican church to which you refer?

KRIS MASSIE
You are probably already on your way to Australia. I hope the painting travels well.
DAVID RUSSELL
I'm not sure whether Arthur took any photos of KBH, but if not, I have some which were taken nearly two years ago which I will post. Or perhaps one of the other Larkers took some photos.
DOUG GREWAR
There you go you see - blowing my image!! Glad you made it back safely and I hope Francois enjoyed the disco on Friday night.
FIONA GAYTHER
I found, this morning, two bottles of Baileys in my house and somewhere in the back of my mind I recall you giving them to me on the morning you arrived. Remembering that I was a bit short of sleep that day plus way behind with the things I had to do, I am not sure whether I thanked you properly or not. Thank you very much. But why two bottles?
DAWIE
Will post more tomorrow about tryps (sleeping sickness) and also about Lusaka's garbage collection. But for now I have a photograph specially for you:

Enjoy your trip.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 14:51:57 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S !
I have received queries about the so-called "Interactive" map of Kitwe [sic] which is on this website. Actually, it is not interactive, it is merely a vector-graphics map with embedded hyperlinks (that take you to photos of the town at which point on the map where your cursor is located).
I have not had time to update the page where this drawing web format file displays. The information needs to be changed and will be done shortly.
This message suffices to apprise you of some changes and additional information:
1. The WHIP!® Plug-in has been changed by Autodesk. It is now called the Autodesk® Express Viewer. When you click on the WHIP! hyperlink you will be taken to a page on the Autodesk suite which tells you this.
2. If you click on the hyperlink for the Autodesk Express Viewer, you are taken to the appropriate page for downloading the viewer. By downloading the viewer, you will be able to view the DWF of Nkana-Kitwe. There are FAQs and other information about the Autodesk Express Viewer at that page.
3. Support for viewing DWFs using Macintosh computers has been announced by Autodesk. This is for OS X. For information, go to the Autodesk site (http://www.autodesk.com) and use the Search box. If you enter a search string of "Mac support", you will retrieve a page where there is a press release on this announcement.
I am not certain as to whether Windows XP Pro with IE automatically recognises DWF. I vaguely remember after I installed XP Pro on this system that the Nkana-Kitwe DWF displayed in the browser, and I have no memory of WHIP! or Autodesk Express Viewer being on the computer. However, I can't verify that... I might have had AutoCAD installed and it might come with Autodesk Express Viewer.
Someone who has recently installed Windows XP Pro on a clean system could check this for us. Doug?
If you have questions about viewing the Nkana-Kitwe map, please contact me. I am the support for it.
Nota Bene: When I digitised this map, I noticed the Federal Printer had made a number of errors. I never corrected them. I left them as is because I was trying to reproduce the map in digital format.... the map was disintegrating... it is reducing slowly to dust as we speak.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 10:40:20 (UTC)
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Doug,
I agree about Zambia looking better now than a few years ago. I was last in Livingstone in 1993 and it was terribly run down, now it looks much brighter - and obviously there's money coming in from Tourism - although Vic Falls (the town) is now looking very sad compared with the same trip.
I also agree that Zambians seem a lot more positive than people do in SA at the moment - maybe there will be a miracle and our Zambian captain can lead us to glory in RWC??? That'll cheer up the nation!
Chris, don't fall over, but I agree that Africans must start a culture of self-determination and not relying on hand-outs if they want the African Renaissance to work. ( But I don't agree with 'giving' old drugs to anyone.)
Jilly
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South Africa Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 07:06:48 (UTC)
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The great founder of the GNR writes:
This brings up the ethical issue of the development of new drugs for the treatment for tropical diseases. Since they affect poor countries like Zambia, there is little incentive in the West to produce modern updated more effective and less damaging drugs. Who cares if these people in Zambia die from the diseases or the side-effects of old drugs, right? Money is what is more imporant---return. HIV drugs are developed happily in the West, each patient in countries like the US, with no national health system, must pay 20,000US$ per year for the drugs. Or IF they have medical insurance, get only a portion paid for. Who cares about treating poor people in countries like Zambia, they "aint gonna pay you any money!"
Nice. So nurturing and caring.
Get real Dave. There are no free lunches, never have been, never will. (Of course that is a Yankee term, and knowing how you despise Yankeeland, then you will despise that term as well)
It is incredible on a list server such as this, just how many believe that places like Zambia should be on the "Free Loaders List". It seems you have no concept of what it is that makes the world go round. "It's the economy stupid" (another yankee term!)
The irony in this is just how rich our former homeland was, and could be again. Blessed with all those natural resources and outstanding climate, Zambia was on it's way to becoming an economic powerhouse in Central Africa, a mere 30 years ago. In that same generation, the place is struggling (thanks David Grey for the very clear picture you painted in your rivetting posting). That deterioration can never be laid at the feet of the developed nations as some of you believe. If Zambia had have continued along the path to prosperity, they could have easily paid for the cost of the drugs.
A final question for you Dave - were you never taught at school to be a self producing bloke? I do not recall one single solitary teacher in the Federal days suggesting that we should merely sit back and let others take care of us? You must have picked up this attitude somewhere along the road.
There is nothing unethical in the drug companies not spending large sums in disease preventitive when no one is going to pay for them.
Not the Founder of the Great North Road, and wearing a hard hat
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 01:05:54 (UTC)
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Re Livingstone, circa l950's, my mom asks does anyone remember Alla and Lolly Sussons, Lolly made a fortune during the making of some hideous Tarzan like movie, he ferried the film crew around, and doubled for stunts,. They moved to Botswana and bought a game reserve on the Chobe River, and finally after selling that, they now own and run a private game park called Tshukudu, next to the Kruger, next parish Nellspruit. Mom stayed there 2 years ago and they talk about Livingstone with alot of love.
We have their email address if any of the "older folk" want to get in touch.
BILTONG - my amazing mom arrived back from sunny Pinelands in Capetown with loads and loads of the stuff.
I sat sadly and gazed upon my kilo of kudu biltong as I had caught a truly epic hurling bug from my army of small children, and it wasnt till this evening that I have been able to eat again after 3 days of misery. So here I sit with a small paring knife trying to make it last, and loving every little bite! She also bought a beautiful bottle of Groot Constantia Cab Sauv which I will save for my 40th in November. If I was offered a kilo of caviare or a kilo of kudu biltong, I would choose the biltong any day. Thank you for editing my ditty Tina, it reads more smoothly, if it ever gets published, (people seem to love writing scurrilous things about Bundoran!) I promise to acknowledge you!, Ciao, Meg
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Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 22:26:36 (UTC)
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Grant, I am sorry to hear about your Dad. My sympathy to you and the rest of the Knowles family.
Viv, very beautiful poetry!
Jill, don't worry about flying. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the bottom.
The Vryheid Herald has printed the picture of Frans doing the bungi jump on it's back (sports) page with the comment "he must be mad". Now he is getting so many questions from the other kids, that he has no time to harrass me about my spelling.
I have my desk top computer back loaded with windows xp pro. So far it looks good.
Phillip, your story gave me a good laugh. Always nice to see your enemies drop into the"soup!" The germans have a word for it. Something like schadenfruede? Dawie help me out here.
I have visited Zambia every 3 years or so since I left in 1976 so my impressions were somewhat different from those who returned for the first time in 30 or 40 years. Although what you see today in comparison to all those years ago is often shocking, Zambia has passed the bottom point and for the last 10 years has been slowly struggling ahead. I see a big improvement even from my last visit nearly 3 years ago. With any luck this progress can hit a take off point and development can snowball. I found that there is generally more optimism and positive attitude there in Zambia than here in South Africa. I also found a lot of products in the shops such as cheese, salamis, jams, sauces and pickles, that are now being made in Zambia.
Cheers - Doug
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Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 19:20:44 (UTC)
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Has there being any pictures posted as yet ??.
Love to see a few.
Chris
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Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 17:17:42 (UTC)
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The article on rubbish dumping and various previous comments on crippling poverty always bring me back to again asking the question - is there anything an individual person outside the country can really do to help improve life in this land we love. We have our individual answers and avenues we already take. It would be interesting to see what Heather and others in the country have to say.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 15:25:16 (UTC)
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Hi, all you Northerners known to me only from reading your messages.
I've been accessing the board for some time, after having been told about it by my son. However, it all seemed to be geared to Kitwe, Mufulira etc, very little from Ndola folk! It was only when the subject of Mrs Burton came up that it "jelled" with me because my daughter went to school with Christine. Then the stories of the elusive red fruit which grew at ground level in the bush meant I had to join......we at Chichele called this fruit Chitingulu, by the way.
Thankyou, David Gray, for your most moving report on your return visit to the Copperbelt. I was particularly saddened by the report of the deforestation between Ndola and Kitwe as this was part of the Forest Reserve managed by my husband between 1955 and 1971. At that time there was a system of charcoal- making under licence, part of the management of the Forest, together with licencing of fire-wood collecting (this mainly by the women), I think that they paid about a shilling for a "headload". This wood was mostly acacia, too hard for commercial use so the large plantations there and elsewhere were to find softwoods which could be used for building, chipboard etc.
Does anyone remember buying Christmas Trees from the stand that we used to set up on the football field at Chichele, 7 miles from Ndola on the Luanshya Road? Now that the excitement of "The Lark" is abating, and we're on the downward slope to Christmas - at least here in the UK - it seems a suitable time to mention this. Perhaps you lot are all too young!!
Go well.
Rachel Mounsey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 14:39:33 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S !
Not everything I post about Zambia is designed to emphasize the positive and downplay the negative. This deplorable story about the Lusaka garbage problem appears this morning on BBCi.
Heather, we know the problem is money, but does the Mwanawasa government have a plan?
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 10:42:07 (UTC)
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GNR Larkers...
Thanks for your postings......reading them makes me or the more wanting to visit our "garden of Eden.".I know that there are the rundown places........but surely there are places that would very much compensate.......I know through Heather's photos that she posts......the place can't be all that bad... Jilly, Craig thanks for taking my photo bungy jumping...I do hope one day that I will get there..maybe to jump or just to watch........ Tina ......GIGGLES.. I can just imagine your imagination running wild with the flatdogs..........ah well back to house hunting..!!!
Ali
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Perth, Australia Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 10:01:15 (UTC)
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Hi Phillip
Could not believe when reading your story that Clive and Mervyn and Trevor (George if I have their surname right) were your cousins. We lived next door to them in 2nd Avenue, we were 19-2nd. Trevor was the eldest I think, a good looking guy (naturally would remember that living next door.) They also had a little sister called Myra, I think. Guy Hobbs if you read this, I think you moved in after the George's, before them were the Bab's, Wally Babs used to play rugby, if I have my facts right. We were lucky all our neighbours were great.
I remember your Mom Phillip being on the bus when we went to Prince Charles School.
As for taking short cuts, we used to take a short cut through Marilyns yard many a time to get to lst Avenue, and as you say, just say hi and on our way no worries about anyone. The laneways were momentous places, we sold our mangoes there for a tickey each just to use at the swimming pool, where most things were just a tickey. Still have some tucked away somewhere. Keep up with the stories Phillip, they are great you stir up the old memories I had forgotten about.
Denise
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Perth, Western Australia, Australia Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 09:37:21 (UTC)
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Vivienne,
I've been catching up on a few days reading and have just read your "Lark Update." I'm really pleased that, after all the hurt and anguish you went through and then recanted to us all, you penned those beautiful verses. It's always good to look for the positives.
We seem to have some exceptionally talented people on the GNR. An artist, story tellers par excellence and several poets. I think this comes from the great love we all share of our beautiful country and the unbelievable times we had there. I say unbelievable, because I've stopped telling people about how we grew up. They look at me in total disbelief. It only underscores just how luck we are.
Marilyn
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Perth, Western Australia, Australia Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 09:21:53 (UTC)
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Philip Pain
Welcome back. I just spent the last 15 minutes reading and re-reading your "Growing up" story, laughing myself silly. I can just picture the back lane, the chamboose and the shenanigans. Such a laugh.
Eric and I used to grow pansies in our back garden and someone religiously stole them just before Saturday market. No matter what time we stayed up to to catch the thief, we just never could. My dad did one night though, and we never had the problem again!
I remember your mum on the bus and those bus trips. What a life we all had, hey?
Marilyn
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Perth, Western Australia, Australia Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 09:06:36 (UTC)
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To The Knowles Family,
Our sincerest condolences.
To The Larkers who stayed on and went all over - I am sooo jealous, but I didn't have the time to go too. As Tina has said, all your observations made interesting reading, and how emotional it must have been going back after all this time. I am hoping to get back to Kitwe soon - but Otto is going to try and go there next month - so I will be sending him all over to take photos for me!
Doug, I am not a tough cookie - just frightened of flying! Anyway, even in my Land Rover it only took 14 hours to drive from Kazangula back to Midrand on the way back - and it took the Copperbelt brigade 11 hours from Livingstone to Ndola! WOW!
Fiona, our duet was amazing, I am told - and the band wants to hire us for further functions on the Zambezi! Ha! Ha!
Philip,
What a naughty little boy you were! No wonder they PI'd you!
Jilly
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South Africa Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 08:50:56 (UTC)
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To Greg, Grant, Gillian and Glenda Knowles
Sad news about Stan. Our condolences go out to you and your families and our memories live on. Keep strong.
Best regards
Mark, Les, Janie and Susie Dalton
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Attleborough, Norfolk, United Kingdom Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 08:36:39 (UTC)
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I would like to add my thanks to all those Larkers who are sharing their trip with the rest of us. The different stories/experiences certainly make very interesting reading. It sounds as though everyone thoroughly enjoyed themselves.
Craig:
Sorry to hear that you were attacked by a scorpion.
Arthur:
Hope the fish are still biting
Vivienne:
Your poem touched me deeply. You certainly have a way with words, and your diary account of the trip is magnificent.
Heather:
Hope that you are taking some time out for yourself by way of rest and relaxation after the wonderful organization you put into the Lark.
Thanks again everyone.
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 07:28:11 (UTC)
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Hi David and all on the Great North Road,
I was hoping to one day to return to the place of my birth. But after reading David's report on the state of Nkana I will rather just keep my happy memories of the place where I grew up as a kid.
As a lot of you will remember my Mom as the lady who looked after the kids on the C.A.R.S. (Central African Road Service ?) bus which transported kids to and from school. My Mom at one time or another did all the routes, Kalalushi, Garneton and the Ndola road run. It was on this run that I have some of my most vivid memories of the splender of the bush comming into leaf in spring.
I as a young boy I would often stay on the bus after school, as I had a friend who lived on one of the farms out towards Ndola. The bus used to turn around at the snake park on the left hand side of the road going towards the Ndola turn off. ( I can't remember if that was part of the Pleasure Resort. ) On the return journey I would sit up front in the bus with my Mom and it was from this vantage point that one could see for miles as the bus came over the rises and from these elevations I was able to witness the beauty of the bush in spring. The shades of brown, gold, yellow and green as far as the eye could see will stay with me forever.
It is with sadness I read in Dave's posting that this is all gone. My first house in which I lived untill I was eleven is now only a foundation. Therefor I will keep the pictures in my mind as I remembered the places and forget about going back.
I was not going to post the following stories of growing up in Nkana as I had intentions of going back some time and did not want to burn any bridges to get into Zambia. ( On the 24th December 1966 I was declared a prohibited immigrant by some arrogant immigration official at the Chirundu border post ( His reason was I had been out of the country for more than three months ) I was kept there for six hours untill I was granted permission to enter Zambia on a tempory visa for one week to visit my parents. This only came about after about a dozen phone calls to various immigration officials in Lusaka.
More growing up in Nkana/Kitwe
JUST BEING KIDS
Part 1
It was while I still lived at 8-4th Avenue that I had two cousins who were twins and who lived in 2nd.Avenue. Their back lane was shared by 3rd.Avenue, and it was common in those days as a kid that if you wanted to go somewhere, you took a short cut through the most convient yard. If someone saw you, you would just wave and say "Hi!" and carry on your way. No problem. This short cut made their house conviently close to mine.
During this period of my life I spent a lot of time with Mervin and Clive (my cousins) as we all about the same age and good mates. Their older brother Treavor tought us to make kites and I recall one which must have stayed up for over a day. We would attatch paper disc's to the line and the breeze would carry them all the way to the kite.
During one of the school holidays, I think the Christmas ones, we decided to make homemade lemonade, bottle it and sell it to the passing trade in the back lane, like Lucy and Tubby in the comics. Why I think it was the Christmas holidays was that we used coloured crepe paper decorations soaked in the lemonade to give it colour. They all tasted the same but the red sold the best.
Sales went well but there was one guy that whenever he passed our stall on the way to the chimboose would intimidate us and knock our things over. After several days of this we had had enough and decided to get even, so after many planning sessions we came up with our solution. We would set a trap for him.
I think our idea must have stemmed from watching a Tarzan movie, because the plan was to dig a hole and cover it with sticks, paper and cover the lot with soil just like an elephant trap. The idea was that our enemy (by now he was) should step into the hole and break his leg.
Early the next morning, armed with pick and shovel we started to dig our pit in the back lane. After about a hour we decided to give up as we had hardly made a scratch in the surface and realised that we had set ourselves an impossible task and went back to sales. Again that day we were bullied by this fool on his way to do his ablutions further down the lane, only this time when he was gone a new planning session started with the focus on the chimboose.
We decided that the next time he went to shower we would sneak in and pinch all his cloths and throw them away. Phase one of our planning was to do a reconasance of the abuloution block to see where one would leave your cloths when you had a shower. The entrance to the block was a passage of about six feet long of which the one wall served as a vanity wall to the toilets and showers. After our investigation we decided that it would be too risky for us to try and get hold of his cloths and would have to go back to the drawing board and replan.
As we were leaving we noticed right in the middle of the passage there was this full size square man hole cover. Well what can I say! We just stood there looking at each other nodding and giggling. It didn't take us long to have the cover off and I want to tell you all what we saw down there would make the strongest stomache heave. There was a vertical steel grate which trapped all the solids. ( I will leave the rest to your immagination.)
The next morning we moved our "shop" to the road side of the of the house while checking on the times our target used the chamboose. On the second or third day we had the oppertunity to put our plan into action. When we heard the shower water running, we sneaked into the passage and removed the cover to the man hole and placed it outside the building, then covering the gaping hole with sticks we finally placed newspaper over the lot.
We were still buisy admiring our handy work when this fella appeared from around the corner of the vanity wall and on seeing us made a threating move towards us but unfortunatly for him the next step he took saw him dissapear down the man hole. (Just like in the cartoons.)
By this time my cousins and I were already wheelspinning to get away from the site and the last I saw while looking back over my sholder was the "Monster from the Black Lagoon" covered in sludge and soggy newspaper standing in the lane with fists raised and screaming somthing about our mothers in his native tongue.
Later that day this guy came round to the house to complain to my cousin's father. He was soon sent on his way after we explained that he was the one who knocked our things over in the in the lane and we didn't have a clue what he was complaining about.
For weeks after the incident we avoided the back lane like a plague(scared of a reprisal) and when we eventually started playing there again we never did see the rouge again. Maybe he decided to move to a safer neighborhood.
Cheers for now,
Philip
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Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 05:24:01 (UTC)
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Chandru
Hmmmm... not as simple as I thought. Neurological damage is irreversible if the second stage is reached. And, the drugs are old and can have toxic and fatal side-effects.
This reminds me of the same situation with the Yellow Fever innoculation. Problematic because it is made from a live virus. Old drugs.
This brings up the ethical issue of the development of new drugs for the treatment for tropical diseases. Since they affect poor countries like Zambia, there is little incentive in the West to produce modern updated more effective and less damaging drugs. Who cares if these people in Zambia die from the diseases or the side-effects of old drugs, right? Money is what is more imporant---return. HIV drugs are developed happily in the West, each patient in countries like the US, with no national health system, must pay 20,000US$ per year for the drugs. Or IF they have medical insurance, get only a portion paid for. Who cares about treating poor people in countries like Zambia, they "aint gonna pay you any money!"
Nice. So nurturing and caring.
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 02:11:57 (UTC)
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Dave
Here is a link to a World Health Organization fact sheet, part of which discusses treatment for sleeping sickness
http://www.who.int/inf-fs/en/fact259.html
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Rockville, Maryland, United States Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 01:46:35 (UTC)
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Chandru
Good, then it is not a virus or a bacterial agent. As a protozoan, it should be easily cured, right?
I will check the web pages, thanks.
This is important for me.
Groetjes...
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 01:02:52 (UTC)
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Dave
"African sleeping sickness is caused by trypanosomes which are protozoan parasites. It is transmitted to humans through the bite of the tsetse fly of the genus Glossina"
Quoted from web page at
www.who.int/emc/diseases/tryp/trypanodis.html
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Rockville, Maryland, United States Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 00:58:47 (UTC)
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Chandru
Yes, I know sleeping sickness. But what is the introduced agent?
Dave
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Amsterdam, Nederland Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 00:44:40 (UTC)
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Dave
Tsetse flies = sleeping sickness
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Rockville, Maryland, United States Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 00:37:11 (UTC)
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Would also like to say - Thank you all for sharing your accounts of the Lark and impressions of returning to Zambia. You all do so vividly and make it easy to see it through your eyes and your diverse and dear personalities. It's quite a gift to the rest of us!! Hope each traveller found what they were seeking from the experience and more!
Fifi TwinkleToes Gayther now I am left with a mental image of you nearly jiiving yourself overboard the African Queen. Just below are a hopeful ring of salivating crocs with napkins round their necks staring upwards and flat-doggy-paddling. That is until they finally go: "dammit she's just teasing us, she's not going to fall overboard - let's see if those zebras are still drinking upstream".
Viv - additional to your account that has just become a favourite poem. More evocative and sure of touch than a lot of stuff encountered in books.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 23:59:15 (UTC)
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Livingstone Larkers Postees!!!!
To all whom attended the Lark - delighted U R all well and had such a wonderful time. To all those whom have posted their impressions of the event and "home" itself THANK U ONE AND ALL. Reading your various reports has brought tears to my eyes. Oh how I would have loved to have been there with U all!!!! Heather my congrats on what appears to have been a major coup for U and Kevin! Brasso applauds with envy and sheer delight. I look forward to seeing the pictures soon.
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 22:45:00 (UTC)
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Viv - you brought a tear to my eye again!
Beautiful pictures painted with skill!
Thank you EVERYONE for sharing what were obviously definitive moments - we who couldn't be there, were with you in spirit!
So, glad you're all home in one piece except perhaps without a chunk of your soul... Those that are still travelling - safe journey.
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 22:26:00 (UTC)
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I have already send Viv a private message about her poem but I feel I have to make a public postiing. Viv, that really touched my heart my friend. I only wish I had the words to describe my feelings the way you did. You brought more than a tear to my eye with your words.
Grant & Heather
My thoughts are with you darlings
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 22:15:37 (UTC)
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Jacqui,
Thank you for your kind words. I can't believe this all happened myself... how this has all grown and evolved from that silly little idea of trying to find a few friends from days gone by. But given the grief that was occuring in my life at the time, and the struggle to deal with that horrific grief and my own motorbike injury and a few minor things, like being laid off from my work on top of it all, I really had nothing much else to do on those nights stuck in a bed unable to do anyting about the grim whirligig around me!
Out of such depths of despair... look what happened!
Other Northerners
Thanks for taking the time and effort to report on this wonderful event. What I am noticing is all the positive things being said about Zambia. You all know how much I appreciate that!
And, whoever reported about "no mosquito bites", given my health concerns at this stage, makes me feel good about thinking of going next year. But Heather... tsetse fiies? Em... what exactly do they introduce into the system? I will search the web.
Thanks everyone!
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 21:43:37 (UTC)
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Thankyou every one for sharing your trip to Zambia. I only wish my brother and myself could have made it as well. It would have been great to just see the place after all these years.
Doug G how much of the copper belt did you see.
Chris Drake
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Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 21:25:42 (UTC)
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Thanks Doug for your comment about my photos not doing me justice. I have told Arthur no "fat or ugly photos please" so there won't be any of me hopefully!!! Great posting thought an lovely to meet you and thanks for your company on that looooong trip!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 20:27:23 (UTC)
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The journey begins …
Thursday, 25 September 2003
Departed Boksburg at 05:45
Trip very pleasant so far with nothing much to note except a few warthogs on the side of the road within 50kms of Ellisras and troops of rather large baboons with pitch black hair (very unusual),
Arrived at Grobblersbrug Border Post at 10:15, through the South African side by 10:30 and through Botswana by 10:45 – no trouble, few smiling faces, but nooo trouble!
Botswana seems to be inhabited by nothing but donkeys and goats.
13:00 – The Francistown road stretches ahead into infinity with the heat rising off the tar in waves. Had almost forgotten how hot and dry this region was. Major road works taking place parallel to the A1.
What started out as a “Jolly Little Company of Three” this morning has settled down to three individuals lost in their own thoughts, too hot to move more than absolutley necessary.
Arrived in Francistown at 13:45, filled up with petrol and then pushed on to Nata where we planned to overnight.
Nata – 16:45 – Nata Lodge full, camping site only. Oh boy we are not equipped to camp ! We carry on to the Sua Pan Lodge in Nata town!!! God help us, this is the real Africa warts (lots of them) and all. Hard to believe, but they say we have the last room. Thank goodness Laurie and Andrew flew. Oh well we are children of this continent so we will just have to make the best of the circumstances.
Heather decides that “this is not fun anymore”
Friday, 26 September 2003
A night from hell! No mosquito nets, no fan, but plenty of noise. The motel is adjacent to a truck stop and over the road from a “nightclub”, and between the Kamikaze mosquitoes, the truckers and the “clubbers” we had no choice but to drag our weary bodies off the beds and at 03:05 head for Kazungula and the ferry.
Arrived at the Kazungula Border Post at 05:55, once we spotted the Zambezi I began to feel the excitement rising! 6:50 Boarded the ferry. Two cars, one LARGE truck, one Dyna Bakkie and a whole load of “foot passengers” crowded onto the ferry making us feel a little uneasy, but needless to say we arrived safely. Through the Zambian Border Post by 08:00 and finally on our way to Livingstone.
Arrived at the Nyala Lodge at 08:45 and had breakfast with Laurie and Andrew.
Spent the rest of the day at the falls taking pictures and videos and soaking up the beauty of the falls and the magnificent Zambezi.
Strange to have to buy a ticket to see what we took for granted all those years ago.
US$10 per person to see the falls, but Heather, Grant and I all got through for US$10 as there was something about the Commercial Bank of Zambia not accepting the US$10 with the little picture of Washington on and only accepting the US$10 with the large picture of Abraham Lincoln on and as we only had one note with Abraham Lincoln we were all let through on that!!! Go figure
Curio sellers at the falls set one’s senses spinning with the variety of goods, each article seeming better than the one before, all the traders trying to catch our attention at the same time, prices starting in Kwacha, switching to US$ and ending in Rands or the other way around whichever took their fancy. The amount of work lovingly carved and polished into each curio was somehow heartbreaking when prices dropped from hundreds of Rands to tens of Rands, desperately seeking a sale. Maybe I should wait until I get to Lusaka.
At last met Arthur and Craig! Feel as though I have known them forever. Our second meeting with that amazing “Chalcraft Woman” and so nice to put faces to the names we have come to know and love on the GNR.
Jacqui Milward, Beth Lloyd and Fiona Gayther, three lovely ladies, are even nicer in person and isn’t it funny how one always finds someone “in common”, Fiona is the sister of an old and dear friend Carol van Blomenstein.
The evening on the African Queen was really something. All the “Larkers” together for the first time, introducing themselves and rather quietly getting to know each other while the beauty of the mighty Zambezi began to weave its spell on each of us. Being on this river after so many years with friends who shared so many memories of those lovely, long gone days, was an experience I am sure will keep our hearts warm for years to come.
We wined and dined and danced the evening away to the music of a wonderful Zambian band (unfortunately not the “Road Runners”) who charmed their way into our hearts, and all too soon the evening was at an end!
Saturday, 27th September 2003
Last night, after a couple of glasses of wine, Heather and I decided that we wanted to buy a plot and start a lodge of our own in Livingstone or even purchase the North Western Hotel and revamp it.
This morning we took a good drive around Livingstone.
Maybe this is not such a good idea !!!!
A quieter, more contemplative pair of sisters attended the Saturday evening Braai at the Maramba Lodge.
Once again Heather Chalcraft worked her magic, ably assisted by Kevin Shone. Although the mood was more subdued as the lark drew to a close, a wonderful evening was enjoyed by us all and we were even treated to an amazing rendition of Tiyendi Pamodzi by the band.
Sunday, 28th September 2003
Hoped to hit the Livingstone/Lusaka section of the GNR by 07:30/08:00, but after changing Rands to Kwacha (thousands and thousands and thousands of them!) and filling up with petrol it was closer to 09:00 before we left.
The road to Lusaka is, as we were told, very good with only a patch here and there that was less than we could have wished and we were eager to see how the countryside had fared.
The farming towns of Kaloma, Choma and Mazibuka always seemed to me to be sad little places after the hustle and bustle of Kitwe and they still seem that way only now more neglected and unkempt, even Cinderella would have looked grand in comparison.
We arrived in Lusaka at 13:30 and had lunch at the old Ridgeway Hotel, I think it is now the Intercontinental – very plush and really could have been somewhere in South Africa. Lusaka seems to have fared better than most places in Zambia, but as the capital that is to be expected.
On to Kabwe which has not fared at all well and we were glad to fill up the tank and move on.
Kapiri Mposhi has certainly expanded since last I drove through, but not for the better – stopped to take a picture of the old Kapiri Hotel.
As we would be arriving after dark I was thrilled that I would be able to spot the lights of Kitwe a few miles out as we crested a hill that lifted us above the tree line, a sight that always set my pulse racing as I knew that in a few minutes we would be home. Well I seemed to be able to see the lights from miles and miles away and only found out the next day that it was because most of the trees have been cut down for charcoal and I dare say those wonderful curios in Livingstone!
We arrived at a friends house in Parklands at about 20:00 and slept like the dead after a long, hot and emotional drive.
Monday and Tuesday , 29th and 30th September 2003
We spent the entire two days in the car, taking pictures requested by friends and for ourselves. We ran the gamut of emotions from joy at familiar sites, to horror at the complete neglect of what was once the “centre of our universe” to finally a deep sadness and acceptance that this wonderful city and the way of life it once enjoyed were gone forever.
I know that I was told by many people that I would be horrified by the changes and in some measure I was, but more than that I felt helpless at the grinding poverty I saw and yet was met by smiling, friendly faces everywhere I went.
I experienced that strange phenomenon of seeing everything through eyes that suddenly made larger than life memories shrink down to half the remembered size, I felt very much like “Alice through the Looking Glass” and it made for a very unpleasant feeling.
I think it was a much saddened and contemplative party that met for dinner at the “Mona Lisa” in Parklands on Tuesday evening…
We also received the sad news that Grant’s father had passed away suddenly in Cape Town and knew that once back in South Africa, Heather and Grant would have to rush down to his funeral.
I can’t quite make head or tail of my feelings at the moment, but I don’t regret one moment of the trip. It was something I desperately needed to do and no matter what, my love for my country will only grow deeper as the years go by. I penned the words below in an effort to come to terms with myself:-
For a little while I’m whole again
for a few short days, free of pain
the journey has not been in vain
… I have come home
I came to take her back with me
I came to try and make her see
this path for me so necessary
… I cannot walk alone
But now I’m here I understand
as she gently leads me by the hand
through my memories of a different land!
She cannot go …
I cannot stay …
but we are at ease
We say goodbye …
my heart and I …
we make our peace
I journey back, alone once more
but strangely now I’m not heartsore
for finally I have come to see
my heart is where she is meant to be
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 20:21:31 (UTC)
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Well done Jacqui, you beat me to it! I have been back for two days and have been trying to get my head around everything that happened in the 11 days we were there. It's so hard to put into words everything that happened.
Livingstone was an amazing experience. It's so strange but every reunion I go to (and I have also been to 4) I make more wonderful friends - for example Viv, Heather and Grant. We will be friends for life now I think. Friday night on the African Queen was one of the best nights of my life (in spite of my bruises from falling over when Grant Knowles and I were trying to teach each other to jive!). What a mighty river the Zambezi is and what a band on the African Queen! And Jill Apin and I did a wonderful duet I hear! It must have been good because we were asked to do an encore on Saturday, which was quiet in comparison but still a great night. I did try the crocodile tail and it was ok I think! Something like a cross between pork and chicken I think.
Unlike Jacqui I was too scared to do the microlight trip but really enjoyed the helicopter trip over the Falls.
The trip from Livingstone to Ndola, in spite of being 11+ hours long was excellent, made even better by the company of Doug Grewar and Dave Grey and their stories. I am nominating Kevin Shone for an award for being the best driver in the world! Thanks again Kevin, hope you're enjoying the Chivas!
Being on the Copperbelt for the first time in nearly 38 years was incredible. The roads between the towns and the main roads in the town were mostly fine but the residential roads were awful and the potholes are unbelievable - and we experienced them a lot. Going to Luanshya was so sad that I couldn't take it in in one go. I had to stop and go back two days later. It is heartbreaking to see what was such a wonderful, vibrant town turn into such a shadow of it's former self. There is virually nothing there anymore but empty shops and people doing absolutely nothing. It was nice to see that a lot of people still care about their houses and gardens though. Kitwe was somewhat more vibrant, though it could do with a lick of paint. Ndola looked good and well cared for, for the most part.
All in all, I'm so glad I made the effort to go and would do it again. There is still so much of Zambia I want to see, so if Heather ever has another brain storm and decides to do it all over again, I can throughly recommend going. Thanks Heather, you did such a wonderful job. Enough from me and over to the other Larkers to tell their stories.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 19:55:38 (UTC)
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After 40c + temperatures in Livingstone it is a cold 15c in Vryheid today. How I wish I lived in Africa! It is only temporary, tomorrow will be up in the 20's again.
Heather and Kevin Shone thank you very much for your great efforts. Heather is a very sweet lady, not at all like the tough image she loves to present to the GNR. Kevin is a gentleman with a great gift of patience.
When we arrived in Livingstone I made a mistake to declare an old scanner that I was taking in as a present for my daughter. On a value of R200 they hit me for R150 import duty. Mutter, mutter! In the airport hall we were looking around for "GNR" or "Lark" or "Zambezi Sun" but there were only people with chalk boards headed "Bushlands". I was starting to get worried when Kevin introduced himself and pointed to my name on a Bushlands board. As Dawie would say, when all else fails read the instructions, jou dom donder!
We also saw Jill who was busy looking for Otto. We then boarded the Bushlands mini bus, and were given some cold drinks to cool us down. On the drive to the Zambezi Sun we passed a herd of about 20 elephants who were browsing close to the road. This was a much better welcome than that from the department of customs and irritation.
At the hotel we found that the strongest man and woman in the world competition was underway
complete with TV crews and cameras. There were all these muscular giants wandering around looking like condoms filled with walnuts! And those were the females!
After changing we tried to ring Heather on her cell but it was ever engaged. We were starting to panic as we seemed to be the only GNR's at the Sun, when Francios overheard a lady on a phone at the reception desk enquiring about the Lark. We introduced ourselves to
Beth Lloyd from Joburg who was the only other person from the GNR at the Sun. The others who had booked there had received a free upgrade to the 5 star Royal Livingstone, where they have personal butlers.
Beth told us that Craig had answered the phone and that we should board another bushtracks mini-bus at the activities centre. The driver, Dennis, kept on waiting for more passengers. Beth was threatening to feed him to the crocs if we missed the boat so finally we proceeded
to the Royal where we met and collected more GNR's.
When we arrived at the African Queen's dock I told Frans to start the video camera. He soon found that I had forgotten to put in a film cassette. Old age strikes again! Anyway we still had the digital camera so at least we got some photos. There is something faulty with this camera; as the evening progressed, and as the mosi flowed, the view finder got more and more blurred.
We boarded the boat and met Craig, Arthur and Heather and all the other people who so far we only knew from this board. I now have more Northern Rhodesian friends than I did when I lived there. There was good music from the band, good food, plenty of drinks and good company.
After the voyage up the river, where we saw crocs, hippo's etc. we redocked, the other passengers got off, and the GNR's got down to some serious partying. I think the undisputed champion party animal was Grant Knowles who even managed to get me dancing for the first time in 30 years. Heather Knowles was nice, a quiet person.
Dave Stephens was full of jokes. He kept on giving Francios advice on life which he said should never be forgotten. Trouble was ten minutes later he couldn't remember it himself. Judy his wife was a patient and pleasant lady. Hartley & Sue Heaton were also very interesting folk. Hartley, I did try to contact you at the Chisamba Safari lodge but when I finally got through you were out. Maybe we will meet again on one of your visits to Hartebeespoort.
I met Steve de Lange de better, and Margaret, Art & Kathie. It was funny listening to Afrikaans in a Canadian accent. Steve, as the old saying goes, you can take the boer uit die plaas, but you can never take die plaas uit die boer!
I met Des Kenny the tallest man, gay (in the original sense) Fiona Gayther whose photos do not do her justice, Jill Masterton who had driven all the way up in a diesel landie; tough cookie! I would not have liked all that driving. I met Otto but somehow didn't get to talk
much with him. I also met but didn't have too much time with Peter and Paddy Greenhalgh, Peter Bennet, Brian Townsend, Irene le Roux and Pierre and Diana Fabel . At long last I met Jacqui Milward but I only met Vivienne Buitendag at the Saturday braai.
I spent time with John Steers from Perth and Arthur, Craig, Heather and Kevin. Also with David Gray who seems to be a gentleman in the true sense of the word. Lynn Szeftel unfortunately did not make it. I am sorry but I cannot remember meeting the Ackermans. Things were a little bit hectic meeting 32 new people all at once.
We were mini bussed back to our hotel. I did not get a single mozzy bite throughout the whole lark. If the repellent didn't get them then the alcohol fumes did.
On the Saturday morning Beth, Frans and I walked along the length of the Zambian side of the Vic Falls, crossing the knife edge bridge. I have seen the Falls many times but never from this side. There was not all that much water which made the view much clearer. When the river is in full flow you can't see much because of all the spray.
We then proceeded to the bridge where Frans did the bungi jump twice. It is 111m freefall before the rope starts boucing one around. We bought the photos and the video. This is a holiday that Frans won't forget soon. Beth wanted to go on the Elephant ride but nfortunately it was all booked up and she was flying out too early for the Sunday ride. Next time!
Kevin collected us for the braai where we have Heather's 'real Zambian steaks & wors'. Zambian
meat is definitely tastier than South African. We also had biltong, droewors, melktert, and koeksusters. The same band was playing but things were a bit more sedate than on the boat. Probably everyone was tired from the previous night and the day's activities.
Nobody captured a wild tungalooloo for me to bring back alive for Philip so I gave the bottle of brandy to Kevin as a small appreciation for his many kindnesses. I spent the rest of the week in Lusaka with my ex-first wife Elizabeth (she still nags me!!) my daughter Sandra, son in law Anthony, and grandson Matthew.
I took them to meet Heather and her husband, Arthur, Craig, Des, and Fiona at Lusaka Club for a final Friday night dinner. Good food, good meat, good people let's eat!
Saturday, Anthony drove me back to Livingstone to catch my flight to Joburg. Unfortunately nationwide doesn't fly out of Lusaka.
Finally we are back in Vryheid and almost recovered. It seems like a dream! Did it really happen? Soon we will have the photos to prove it!
Best wishes to all - Doug + Frans (Editor of this letter, my Father is a bad speller. Old age I guess.)
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Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 19:28:30 (UTC)
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Dawie, ou maat,
Yes!! The sparkling Dorothy!!
It was one of the first shows I recall seeing, on TV.
funny, I saw a biography of Clint Eastwood last night...... he went to fame as Rowdy Yates on that Western.
This, and the drivelling stuff from the lucky ones at the Lark, set me scouring through the memory bank.
Bill
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Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 18:50:45 (UTC)
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Hello my friends
What an exhilarating experience the Livingstone Lark was! I have been to four reunions and thoroughly enjoyed all of them – but this one was just extra extra special!
I arrived in Livingstone on Wednesday, quite a while before anyone else, so I had the opportunity to do absolutely nothing but soak up the glorious atmosphere of the real African bush! Elephants were crashing around almost on the doorstep of the lodge! That wonderful man Kevin Shone forgot that he was supposed to be taking care of me on Thursday though, and left me in the clutches of a an American tourist! Shame on you Kevin – but I still love you dearly! And Noah wasn’t bad company – he managed to convince me to take a microlight flight over the falls!
Cruising the mighty Zambezi on the African Queen, seeing the monkeys on the river banks and the hippos – and the amazing African sunset was quite overwhelming for me. And the following night dancing on the grass under the African night sky to a superb Zambian band was just as overwhelming and emotional. I should have sampled the croc tails from the braai – but the vision of those beady eyes is still enough to put me off! Sorry Heather!
The Flight of Angels in the helicopter was amazing and I decided to do another flight over the falls – this time in a microlight! I wanted to do something daring but there was no way I was going to jump off any bridge so the microlight was the next best thing! It was just as amazing – although John Steers might not agree with me! He didn’t feel safe enough to enjoy it! How did your photos come out John? I am happy with mine and will send a couple to Arthur to post.
My only regret is that I never got to cross the river on foot. I saw a number of people doing this and making their way to Livingstone Island near the Main Falls. I shall have to return to complete this mission another time!
Thank you, thank you Heather for arranging such a wonderful time for all of us and all the hard work you put into it – and many many thank yous to Kevin Shone too for all the help he gave you – helping to make this reunion the huge success it was! The biggest round of applause must go to you Dawie for your crazy idea all those years ago that has made all this possible. And thank you my friends, all who attended this reunion, for sharing this experience of a lifetime with me.
Big cyber hugs to everyone
Jacqui
PS Go get those tigers Arthur and watch out for the scorpions Craig! Sounds like you guys are having lots of fun!
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 18:16:59 (UTC)
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Craig is slowly passing the Zambian means test which comprises eating nshima, being stung by a scorpion, being bitten by tsetse flies, catching one proper fish instead of drowning worms (and we have its rotting head in a cool box to prove it) and two big acacia thorns in his feet. All that is needed now is a gaboon viper and then he can properly shed the Bamba Zonke handle.
Heather
Siavonga
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Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 18:00:25 (UTC)
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Fishing Report from the Zambezi
Heather, Arthur and I are at an Internet cafe in Siavonga, having just arrived this afternoon from three nights on the lower Zambezi. Arthur's score in two full days and a couple of hours on the river this morning is seven tiger fish landed, with most of them being released. I went out with him for one day and caught one tiger, but mine was bigger than the one he caught on the first day. :) We ate my fish the following evening (last night). Between us we also lost several, includng a couple right by the damn boat.
I also scored a scorpion sting last night, but there were no takers to better that one.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 17:48:42 (UTC)
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David Russel, I remember the drag races you mention. Kevin Cameron could turn about 14 seconds with his home prepared Lotus Elan, a startling time on that stretch.! There was also some one who brought along a "Yimken BMC" if I'm correct. It was similar to a Lotus 7 and revved like mad. I tried my 1953 BSA Bantam 125 there once but the crowd went home before I finished! Still. and this IS genuine, I took a bet with Derek Strange and the late Kevin Snead that I could get from Nkana to Kalulushi and back without touching tar. (After a few pots) I managed straight through the bush ending up a bit torn and bloodied but elated at my victory, shows how tuff the bantams were, and how good the beer was.
To Guy Hobbs, I am sure your dad was Bill the blacksmith at Rhokana, he showed me his four or five steam hammers in the forging shop in about 69 and set some of them off. Chuff, Chuff Chuff and the biggest one would shake the corrugated sheets on the shed! Were you not the Kitwe Theater Club fundi and had brothers Ronnie and Clive, who I remember walking around with a pipe smoking and looking very colonial and aristocratic at the time.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 16:13:03 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S !
Who remembers Dorothy Provine on RTV's emission of THE ROARING TWENTIES! One of my favourites of TV days in NR... I came across this on the Web:
Roaring Twenties...
How'd ya do, I'm takin' you to
The Roaring Twenties
For a true bird's-eye-view
Of the Roaring Twenties.
Come with me to the melody
Of the Charleston and Jazz.
Yes-sir-ree, I'll have you dancin' with
Flappers, Finger Snappers.
What a ball, Broadway playboys
And playdolls, gaydolls.
See them all: Racketeers
And their gunmolls, funmolls.
Prohibition and bathtub gin.
If Bennie sent you, you walk right in
To a Speak Easy, Speak Easy.
Come along to the song
Of the Roaring Twenties
The wild and restless, never boring
Rousing, roaring,
Speak Easy, Speak Easy
Super dooper, frizzle frazzle
Hoop de doo and razzle dazzle
Roaring, soaring Twenties.
And it all ended with a car smashing down flat on its chassis after soaring over a kleine huisje!
Geniet!
Dave Cooper
Founder of the Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 14:59:00 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
I have a Kitwe Secondary Boy's School (post-independence name of KBHS) annual magazine resplendent with photos here in Amsterdam (there is an image of it on this website. For those of you who do not know that there is more to the GNR than the message board, your challenge is to find it)...
I will not spend any time scanning this magazine or posting it anywhere --- I did enough of that back in '95 and '96 when I set this website up. Now I am fed up with that, so the ONLY way anyone is going to see this is to come to Amsterdam and pick it up along with the box of NR stuff that lays about gathering dust in a corner of my storage locker in the keller downstairs under the boggy water level of the canals with the muskrats and ghosts. But I reckon Amsterdam is too scarey of a place.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 11:32:15 (UTC)
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Go morning campers if the samples that we have had allready are any thing to go by we are in for a feast of descriptions in the next few weeks.
Here is your smile for today Johnny.
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Father: (at hospital looking through glass at newly arrived babies)
"Kitchy kitchy koo. Look, she smiled...isn't she adorable?"
Friend: "But your kid didn't smile."
Father: "I was talking about the nurse."
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 07:01:33 (UTC)
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Does anyone remember watching / participating in the drag races that were properly organised on the old Kalalushi road / or Mindola Dam road in the late 60s. We used to go there to watch a rather eclectic collection of cars including a red Aston Martin, various MGs and hot rods compete against each other. The Aston Martin always looked better than it went!
I seem to recall Dougie Sinclair (Glenda's brother) racing his new Suzuki 250 Super Six which we were in awe of. (Remeber at that time we thought we were cool on a collection of Honda 50s, 65s and S90s as well as Mobylettes. So compared to that collection of horse power anything would have seemed faster!)
The recent postings re the Lark and the visit to Kitwe were most evocative. Any photos of Kitwe Boys High?
David Russell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 04:05:13 (UTC)
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David Gray
No problem getting my name mixed up with Johnny's, we are both naughty old chaps.
I am safely back in Vryheid, still somewhat shell shocked from the 9 days in Zambia. It was very enjoyable. It was great to meet Arthur, Craig, Heather and all the other friends. I will write more tomorrow.
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Monday, October 06, 2003 at 19:35:28 (UTC)
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Dear All
As an avid Lurker, to those who went on the Livingstone Lark trip, I am glad you had such a splendid time! All your stories and anecdotes have been eagerly read and David, your account, well, it touched my heart. Thank you for sharing all your stories and memories with us.
And now this is to let you know that as from the 9th of October I will not be able to lurk on the GNR for a month. My 65th birthday present to myself is going to be celebrated in Queensland, Australia, visiting my pal. This will be my first trip and I am so excited!
I'll have to catch up on my return -
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Monday, October 06, 2003 at 10:17:27 (UTC)
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I lived in Fort Jameson from April '57 till Februari '60 and worked as a young Engineering Assistant for the WDI. Can't remember many names apart from Brian Wilson Dick Williams and Gabriel Tandwe. Anyone who was there during that period who can help me refresh my memories? Is the small Anglican church still there?
Wim Buker [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dubai, United Arab Emirates Monday, October 06, 2003 at 10:04:56 (UTC)
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Corrections!
I should not write when I am dog tired! As usual a few mistakes crept in - I don't know who Keith and Johnny are! My apologies to Kevin Slone (the super driver) and to Doug who were inadvertantly renamed.
Thanks to all of you who have responded so wonderfully to my scribblings. I left out a great deal but managed to include the main items.
To Guy Hobbs, of course you were the first head boy of the KHS housed in the old FKS buildings. It is a sad trick of fate that has left your name off the Head Boys Roll of Honour at the new school buildings into which we moved in 1957. I should have remembered this and drawn attention to it when I addressed the KBHS assembly. Apologies! I only claim to have been the first head boy at the new KHS building and Daphne Gallotti was the first head girl!
By the way, Skatie Fourie and Dennis Gallotti organised a great Copperbelt Get-Together yesterday. 80 + people attended the gathering at the Dawn Patrol Shell Hole in Bergvliet near Cape Town. We all had a great time meeting lots of old friends Charlie Crowther, George Myburgh, Neville Leck, Wendy Howe (Sherwood), Dave Sherwood, George West, Bill Maguire and many, many more. I will leave it to Skatie to fill in the gaps. Thanks Skatie and Dennis for a great afternoon.
Cheers
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South Africa Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 14:54:23 (UTC)
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David Grey.
A fascinating account of your visit to Kitwe. I left in 1988, and some of what you observed had already taken place, but still a fascinating account.
Brian Rowlands
You may, or may not, remember me, though our paths certainly crossed. However, I was fascinated that the Polo Club is still going, and that you go there for a meal. I hope it still functions as stables as well. I spent many happy hours there , but one of my strongest memories is of going to the ladie's loo, backing out very rapidly, and returning to the bar to inform the assorted men there that there was a snake in the loo. They just would not believe me! Eventually I persuaded someone to look. They backed out too, stating it was a mamba. It took 6 guys and two brooms to sort the problem - the snake escaped back the way it came, presumably through some crack in the wall or roof!! At least my reputation was in tact!
Hilry Wilson (née Cartwright, formerly Wright) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ayr, Scotland, United Kingdom Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 19:43:46 (UTC)
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David Gray:
I must add my gratitude to you for writing such an emotion filled story of your pilgrimage. I know that I have done exactly what the others from Kitwe must have done as we read your words... pictured the old familiar places in our minds, and then tried to picture it as you had described it. I must admit to being overwhelmed with emotion. I tried to tell my husband and son about finding the graves of your grandparents, and to discover the kindness of a Samaratin who has tended the grounds out of respect for departed people he never knew. I cannot talk about it without welling up, for some reason. It paints such a poignant scenario in my mind. I was last in Kitwe in 1985 and was absolutely dumbstruck at the devastation of the forest between Kitwe and Ndola at that time, so I can only imagine what it must be like now. Having lived on a farm opposite the old Coetzee Clinic for a while, it is also hard to imagine that the land there is now annexed to be part of Kitwe. I can only imagine what it must have been like to address the assembly of young boys at KBHS. Quite an honour, I am sure. For them too, no doubt.
We all have different memories of where we lived and the era of our time there, and yet that cord to our souls remains connected so strongly.
Thank you so much for sharing. It was a roller coaster of emotions for me, but I am glad you did.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 17:09:44 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, a great comprehensive picture of your tour around your old home town David, reading between the lines life there now is not all beer and skittles like it used to be, but I would still like to visit some of my old out of town haunts,
A very weak smile for you this morning I will hope to improve on Mon Johnny.
What did one fly say to the other fly?
'Your man's open!'
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Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 09:00:48 (UTC)
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David,
Have just read your wonderful posting on the Lark. Sounds like you all had a fantastic time, and congratulations to Heather for the tremendous job she has done.
I went through a range of emotions whilst reading your posting, from laughter at your description of the traffic lights, to a lump in my throat at the changes that have taken place over the years, including the disappearance of our old homes. Glad your old Stanley Street house was still there. I just hope that our second house, the one I remember best of all, is still standing.
So glad to hear that you found the graves of your grandparents and Uncle Jack and that they are being looked after. It would have been so sad had you not been able to find them.
Thank you again David for sharing your trip with us. Your wonderful description of your pilgrimage back to the land of our childhood makes me feel that I too, was there.
Take care.
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 08:47:39 (UTC)
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I have read with great interest David Gray's write up on his memorable journey back to our roots in Kitwe. Very good reading and congratulations on putting the story together on and on the web so quickly.
Seeing I am mentioned in David's news, I thought I would tell my friends about the wonderful celebration of my 50 years of making church music, which took place last Sunday evening. As David explained, it all started back in St Michaels church in Kitwe, when Mrs Lilian Burns singled me out as someone she could teach to play the old harmonium. At the celebration last Sunday MUSIC and SONG was the focus and it was tremendous. More than 100 people attended and part of the music was supplied by our youth band, who I am encouraging as part of handing on what was so freely given to me. I did the address at the service and told my story. Kitwe and St Michaels was mentioned many times. I even showed the congregation the first music book that Mrs Burns gave to me, one of her books with her name beautifully written on the cover.
I was very proud to share my story which started so long ago and so far away. I also say "thank you" to all those who along the way have encouraged me.
Greetings from sunny Queensland.
David Thomas
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Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 05:32:34 (UTC)
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Just a short note to follow my previous rendsering. I is stil not veri brite and my grama and spelling are atrosis no atrotis well you now wat i mean.
T hanks a lot David. one thing that did distrees me was the swimming pool description. I was brought up there, my mother was the lifeguard/ supervisor before Pop??not to be mixed up with Pop Davies who ran the snooker hall were I also spent many a free period trying to take money off the likes of Dennis Galloti, Brain Tatterson, Ken Robbins and a young Dave Clarke. Brilliant times, so thanks for the trip down memory lane
Guy Hobbs (1938-1975 all in Nkana or in latter years at a push Kitwe. Gods own Town in a little piece of Heaven called NORTHERN RHODESIA.
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Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom Friday, October 03, 2003 at 22:45:12 (UTC)
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David Gray
I enjoyed reading your account of your trip to Zambia. Thank you for taking the time to write this, and for writing it so well.
Of course, you can imagine that I have dearly wanted to make this trip myself, but for health reasons, I cannot. Perhaps things will be better for me, next year, and I will be able to.
I read with interest your comments on speaking to the pupils at Kitwe Boy's High School. It was in the assembly hall that I would recount some old memories... of me, and a certain pupil (whom I will not reveal) were caught smoking. We attempted to hide, and I managed to get up into the ceiling about the stage. My foot went through the ceiling, and the next morning there was a large gaping hole which everyone was fixated on.
Of course this resulted in Six of The Best. I do not think I could have made a speech without laughing all the way through!
I am so happy you enjoyed this voyage... how bizarre this all seems to me. How far removed from those nights in 1995 and 1996! How very, very strange this all is... I sort of feel like it's not real or something, but I reckon it is. And this is a good thing.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Friday, October 03, 2003 at 22:33:53 (UTC)
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I would like to thank David for a brilliant nostaga trip.Inever expected it all to be there still but am glan some of our input still remains. I have memories of going to what was then Kitwe School and the place was just as desolate as now described. However the desolation was heaven made, bush and more bush, not man made. The bush path I used to walk to school along eventually became Kantanta Street. We lived in the second last road in Nkana, 16th Avenue. I am glad to report that I have managed to keep in contact with some of the end of the world kids, Robin and Lila Griffen- their dad was the chief chemist, The whole tribe of Lecks and Basil Sheasby.
I must take umbridge with your reckoninkg of the first year of the High School. I had the privelege of being one of the first, if not the first person, to start and finish
A Levels in the same school in NR. however if we want to be picky I attende three schools all on the same site, Kitwe school till about 1948 when it changed to FKS, fried kippers and sauce, and finally the first year of Kitwe High Shool 1956 when I was head boy.
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Tunbridge Wells, Kent, United Kingdom Friday, October 03, 2003 at 22:27:58 (UTC)
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Thank you, Thank You, David, for your brilliant account of your trip to Nkana, after the Livingstone Lark.. It is so descriptive it was as though I were there too. I have read it several times and have so many questions to ask you but am unable to reach you, on the CONTACT Tab.
We all look forward to seeing the photographs and more tales from the other Larkers.
June Bohl
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Los Angeles County, California, United States Friday, October 03, 2003 at 20:46:28 (UTC)
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Campers I have been a bit remiss today and have only gleaned a small pearl of wisdom for the ladies,
Any woman can have the body of a 21-year-old...as long as she buys him a few drinks first.
No mention yet of tiger fish?.
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Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, October 03, 2003 at 18:51:50 (UTC)
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Home Again!
I have just returned from an absolutely fabulous "Lark" and full marks to Heather and her team for really efficient planning and logistics.
Livingstone and the Falls were tremendous with the African Queen cruise and dinner being the highlight. The braai was equally enjoyable but in a more muted way. The band reduced volume so I could converse without the possibility of losing my voice. I met up with Steve and Margaret de Lange plus son Art and daughter-in- law Cathy, and had a great time catching up! We certainly covered a lot of ground! Sunday saw Des, Fiona, Johnny, Franz and I being driven to Ndola by super driver Keith Slone. Next morning we collected Voyager cars and set off to brave the police road blocks, the draconian traffic regulations and traffic lights which could hardly be seen due to the use of low powered frosted bulbs and the absence in most cases of the red/amber/green lenses!!!
What can I say? Yes, it has changed sometimes almost out of all recognition. The once dense forests between Ndola and Kitwe have been stripped out and converted to charcoal. The Kafue bridge is within the city limits now and looks bare and forlorn without the bush around it. There is grinding poverty and many buildings look run down and threadbare. But there is also a positive spirit evident. I kicked off my pilgrimage with a visit to the Kitwe Boys High School and found to my surprise that the Head Boys "Roll of Honour" was still in place and being updated annually. My name was there for the first year of 1957. The headmaster Mr. Mporokosa asked me to return next day to address the Assembly. This I gladly agreed to. I then visited the old Frederick Knapp School which is now called the Rokana Medium School. I saw the class room where I first attended Sub A and noted that the brass bell from one of the old "Coffee Pot" Mine Locomotives was still in place. This is amazing as anything metal takes wings and is sold for scrap.
I then went looking for our first house No. 54/4th Avenue. Alas, most of the houses between 2nd and 6th Avenues from Club to Harrison Streets have been pulled down to make way for the new cobalt plant. So Emily, June and Margaret (Jocks), your old home No 46/4th Avenue has disappeared completely. I next visited the Mine Club which is sadly falling into disrepair. I met up with the barman and together we climbed to the top of the tower from where an excellent panorama of the mine was visible. The old swimming pool is partly filled with green water - the diving boards have disappeared. I had a Fanta at the massive bar counter and watched cockroaches scuttle by. The barman said that business hotted up round about 4 PM and that he normally sold 120 quarts of Chibuku. The snooker room is intact but no one knows where to find the light switch!!! I was told that the owner of the mine mess had the key to the old Rhokana Cinema so I attempted to get a look inside. No luck, the owner was in Livingstone and no one knew where the keys were. The Mine mess stopped feeding miners some six years back and is currently winding down operations. I drove up and down the avenues remembering where friends once lived. I photographed David Thomas' old home on 3rd Avenue and noted that Philip Pains first house, immediately behind, had been knocked down and only the foundations remained. Are you sure you didn't blow it up Philip - is that why you had to move next door??? The Gothan home is also just a foundation (as are many houses throughout the town) The new owners of the houses often incorporate a small sales outlet on the front boundary in an effort to eke out a better existance.
My next port of call was the mine cemetery - I had in mind to visit the grave of a school friend of mine, Ann Baske, who died tragically at the intersection of Club and 7th Avenue when she failed to stop at the stop sign there. I couldn't find her grave as all the brass name plates have been stolen. Sad. I did find our second house No.1 Stanley Street although it is cracking badly and has been unoccupied for two years. Des Kenny's house next door (No.3) is occupied and in good order. Market stalls have mushroomed along Central Street between 21st and 23rd Avenues.
It had been a long, hot day and I then repaired to the Copperfields Guesthouse and slept like a log. Next morning saw me at Kitwe Boys High ready to address the assembly. We gathered in the staff room (the old library) and waited for the teachers to drift in. When sufficient had arrived we marched on to the stage, I was introduced by the head master and I launced into my address, a stirring piece on the benefits of obtaining a good education. I spoke for 10 to 15 minutes and sat down to thunderous aplause from the 1200 students packing the hall. I could get used to this!!!
I next visited the Saint Michaels and All Angels Anglican Church. Apart from the high concrete wall running round the front of the church and dividing it from the teaming taxi rank in front, St. Michaels has changed little. I wanted to relive my early Christian 'walk' and to tell them of a very special church service which had taken place two days previously on the other side of the world. My good friend David Thomas had celebrated 50 years of his church music ministry at St. Margarets, Birkdale, Queensland. It had all started in St. Michaels in 1953 when Mrs Lilian Burns the church organist, had identified David's talent and soon had him playing for sunday school and Evensong. 50 years later David Thomas is still at it - Congratulations! I looked at the church organ - it hadn't worked in years I was told. The piano too is in a sorry state being badly out of tune and with keys pointing in a variety of directions. They do have a drum set and I'm certain that their services really go with a swing!
Parking in town is a bit of an eye opener. Regent Street is now an enclosed parking area closed off at the now nonexistent Astra end and requiring payment of K 1 000 on exit. The department stores have long gone, their place taken by many smaller shops. Shop Rite has replaced the OK Bazaars. One can still buy a foot powered treadle sewing machine - not a Singer but a "Flying Dove" made in China. I had wanted to visit the station but couldn't find a place to park amongst the teaming taxi multitudes. I visited the pump station - houses everywhere! I went to the Kafue bridge and took a picture. A distant charcoal burner took exception to being included in the picture and was all agrieved. He demanded payment to make himself feel better so knowing that these things can turn nasty I agreed to give him K 5 000 if he posed for me. Amazing how his manner improved. Charcoal costs K 8 500 a large bag. I had no luck getting the coffin makers of Wusikili to allow me to photograph their labours so they will now never be famous and featured in the GNR! Coffins cost K125 000 each. The AIDS pandemic is making itself felt with HIV + numbers at the 50% level.
I had quite forgotten the beauty of the bush in the pockets that remain along the road to the Mindola Dam. The lush shades of green and the occasional splash of red as the trees burst into leaf in anticipation of the rains which should break the heat at the end of the month. The cicadas were in full song and I was transported back to those long gone days of my childhood.
My final duty in Kitwe was to visit the Rotary Club of Central Kitwe which is poised to celebrate its 50th Anniversary. 45 years ago they gave me a small bursary to attend Varsity and for the last 25 years I have been "paying it back" in service to the community. I exchanged Club Banners and formally thanked them for the bursary then took my leave and joined the remnants of the Larkers at the Mona Lisa restaurant for a final dinner.
I had one final thing to do in Zambia - I wanted to find the old family farm near Mazabuka and to try to locate the graves of my Grand Parents and Uncle Jack. I flew Zambian Airways to Lusaka and picked up another hire car. I finally located Nega Nega and found that the single Indian Shop had mushroomed into a main street which even boasted a night club! After a false start I homed in on familiar hills and using roads covered with talcum powder dust I finally made it to the old "Honiton Farm" homestead. The buildings have been remodelled but I located the old generator room and the foundations of the dining and sitting room. I set off to find the graves and immediately ran into problems - my childhood memories told me to look in a certain area but the graves were not there. Some children passed and I tried to talk to them but they didn't understand. I was picking my way back to the car, ready to accept defeat when the children's father dashed up. Was I looking for graves? He knew where they were!!! I followed him to an unfamiliar grove of trees and there I discovered the graves of my Grand Father and Grand Mother and my Uncle Jack who had been killed by a crocodile some 70 years ago. The kindly farmer's 10 hectare subdivision of the old farm contained the graves and he had been keeping them clear. Thank you for that kindness - you are one of natures true gentlemen.
My pilgrimage to Zambia was at an end. I had achieved much of what I had set out to do and had enjoyed every second of my brief week back in the land of my childhood. Things are certainly different but all is not doom and gloom. The spirit of the people will pull them through.
Thank you Heather and Keith for your many kindnesses. Thank you to Craig and Arthur - it was a pleasure meeting you. Thanks to all the new friends I have met Des, Fiona, Johnny and others too numerous to mention - we will keep in touch. And to my old friends Steve and Margaret thanks for that trip down memory lane.
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Friday, October 03, 2003 at 18:15:58 (UTC)
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Bob et allis
K60,000 is worth in real terms about US$ 12 to 14 which we all say up here is not to bad. I can remember back in 1973 when I first came back to work here that beers at Diggers Rugby Club were only 18 ngwee(10 beers for K2:00!!!) You could take your bird out, fill up the car with petrol, have steak and chips for two. plus a few drinks and still go home with a lot of change fron K10.00!!!!
At the time I sent out my first Gratuity from ZCCM in 1975, I got 96p to the Kwacha. Today it is K7600:00 t0 the pound. A big change!!
Please do not forget that people earning money in Zambia at the moment are doing not to badly. That is why we stay here!!!!
Have a good weekend and anybody drinking Mosi - please enjoy. Me and the family are off to th Polo Club for some supper, which is only K10,000:00 per head. Not bad hey!!!
Brian
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Riverside, Kitwe, Zambia Friday, October 03, 2003 at 16:51:29 (UTC)
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Calling from Lusaka !
Just touched base camp, after nearly a ten hour drive from Shiwa N'gandu and Kapishya Springs. Spent two incredible days up there, words cannot describe the bush, it can only be experienced together with the heat, smells and sounds of the real Africa, Zambia.
The waterfalls at Kundalila and Chusa were breathtaking in their raw beauty.
Spent plenty of time looking round Nkana Kitwe.
Taken plenty of photo's, will post loads when I return.
Twatasha sana.
Arthur
at Heather's office in Lusaka
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Friday, October 03, 2003 at 16:48:08 (UTC)
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Brian, Your remark of K60,000 per head for jollies takes me back to Kitwe in 1968/70 when I would cash SIX Kwacha for the weekend. This would include 2 sessions at a Kwacha entrance fee at the Yachting Club or Playing Fields etc and a few Castle, I would often still have a few ngwee left on Monday, Does the Ngwee still exist ? don't joke! It was serious money to me then. My brother and his friend needed paper to roll a zol in Salisbury one weekend when I went down to visit him about 1972 and the only paper on me was a 5o ngwee note, which I parted with after much argument! K60,000 was FIVE Years salary to me when I left in 1977 (K1000 a month before 35% tax) and I considered myself quite well off at that time, Bought cars around 1968/72 for K100 to K400 and sold them again to make a hundred or 2 K profit etc. It was a healthy time financially, but I could never have been a K millionaire until today, what would I need in US$? My rep here in S A has a daughter in Zim and he brought back a bunch of Z$500 notes last month and gave them away in the office here as jokes. That was my father's monthly salary in Rhodesia at the time I was rich on Kwachas!! and we were both living very satisfactorily. Frightening especially for that part of the population that is not geared up to keep pace with these number escalations. Time for someone to write a book on this situation over the last 25 years , it would be very very interesting!
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Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Friday, October 03, 2003 at 16:08:55 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
I have recently been advised by one of our members of some fairly decent software. Anti virus, pest control, and firewall software. I have just completed the anti-virus software trial period for AVG by Grisoft.
It has worked well for me. I am not telling you to use it, I am merely reporting that it works for me. I seem to have a tendency to go for the underdog in software or the superior software. So that essentially precludes things like Microsoft, AOL, and other giants. Unhappily, I am stuck with Microsoft for the OS for the time being. We all know why.
I also believe firmly in paying for software and for music. I do not believe in theft or in parsimonious insidious ways of trying to get things for free.
I paid for my AVG software from Grisoft. It was 30US$ well spent, in my opinion.
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Friday, October 03, 2003 at 10:10:06 (UTC)
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..........................or soaking away the aches and pains in the hot water pool recollecting the events of the past few days and possibly years.
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 13:54:40 (UTC)
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N O R T H E R N E R S!
The problem in accessing the archived message page for September is a parsing error. I have alerted Craig about this already.
But given he is now in Shiwa N'gandu, I would not expect him to be glued in front of a lap-top fixing code when he has the glory of the African bush laid out in front of him as he sits on the verandah of a British aristocrat's manor house sipping Pim's No. 1 cups or Simba lager!
The archived page for September will be accessible later.
Hartelijke groeten...
Dave Cooper
Founder of The Great North Road website
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Amsterdam, Nederland Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 10:11:20 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, just a little note to Barry Rowland of Kitwe we do not want to know about the people who would not imbibe but about the ones that did.
Two little smiles for you today, this I recieved from a female admirer I think, and I am sure you can guess who,
There once was a bloke, Johnny Green
Whose verses in public were seen.
Critics said: We recall
Once admiring his scrawl
in the bog of a Zambian shebeen.
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