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To OTTO and JILL Bousema and everyone else!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
OTTO and JILL Masterton
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Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 22:54:17 (UTC)
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Wishing you all a very Happy New Year -
Andy & Shelagh Kalouzas, Colin Sammons & Laurie Hovelmier & families, Eric & Jean Selley, and all Selley families, Hazel Kennedy, Karen Nuttal, Richard Miles, JP Elsom, Pam & Duddley Barker, Sue & Mick McManus, all Nkana Golf Club Members, Tara & Graham Allin, Drodsky Family, Lester Davados, Ann Duffy, Ian & Anna Winn and everyone else we knew.
Hope 2004 is a good one for you all..........
Cheers
Cummings Family
Lindsay Cummings [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 20:33:26 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to everyone!
We saw Ipi N'Tombia in the West End, my daughter, stepdaughters and I. They were then aged about 7, 12, and 14. We were on long leave from Kitwe. We had seats in the front row of the stalls, and were all word-perfect from playing the record non-stop in Zambia. I still have the record, and my daughter got the CD for me last Christmas. Have you tried Amazon?
Hilry Wilson (née Cartwright, formerly Wright) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ayr, Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 20:14:07 (UTC)
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Dear GNR Family
Eureka! Just in time! Here is a little joyful juvenile New Year's fun to play on your distant loved ones on the phone while wishing them a Happy 2004. Most of them will not be on speaker phone so it will work. If they are on speaker phone have one of them pick up the receiver. If several are on different phones ask them all the following question.
Ask them which ear they have to the telephone. They will say - left or right. Ask them to switch sides. When they have done so you can yell: Happy New Ear!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 18:22:54 (UTC)
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Happy and Healthy New Year to you all. Look forward to more fun and frivolity (can't spell check - sorry) in 2004.
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 18:16:56 (UTC)
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TO ALL NORTHERNERS I WISH HEALTH.WEALTH AND HAPPINESS FOR 2004.FROM OTTO AND JILL BOUSEMA (WATKINS)
Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 17:14:12 (UTC)
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Paudie & sue
Paperlace started about 32 years ago and so did your romance ....congrats and all the best.
Thinking of YOU
Chris.
Chris Cotton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Copperbelt, Zambia
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 13:15:48 (UTC)
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U.S. television viewers - I am presently viewing a very interesting two hour program on the C-Span 2 channel about current life in Ghana. It will be rebroadcast again at 12.35 am Eastern time on Dec. 31.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 02:51:53 (UTC)
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To Mark McDonald
You should have my email now, I have the records of Wrex Tarr, and "The Warrior" Ipi'N Tombia, I also have the both John Edmond "Troopie songs" records which I can put onto tape for you
I have all the equpt for coping CD's and DVD's but how can I put LP's or Tapes or for that matter video onto CD/DVD Any help out there
David
David Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Derby, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 at 18:50:37 (UTC)
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Mark Mcdonald
My brother's son got him a copy of an Ipi Tombi CD for Christmas from a little shop in Leeds. Apparently the guy who owns it is Zimbabwean and has a few African CDs. I have asked him to try and get me one - in the meantime Neiles is going to copy his for me. Will let you know if we find any more.
Happy New Year
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 at 10:54:46 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to all the GNR members and their families and friends all around the globe.Thank you for the many interesting postings,and may they continue in 2004.
From our humble beginnings in Mufulira to our new lives in the land down under, the Nels who number 40 plus and increasing, wish you a safe , healthy and happy start to the new year.
Cheers.
Peter Nel [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quinns Rock, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 at 09:49:50 (UTC)
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Merry christmas everyone,
Its been a while since I last posted but have read the messages most nights when I havent been changing nappies and feeding the new arrival.
Does anyone remember Wrex Tarr, a Rhodesian? who made several records telling stories in chilapalapa.
I would be most grateful if anyone out there knows of where I can get a recording of the album called 'chilapalapa'. I've searched several web sites which make reference to the fella himself but so far none of the web sites for him have been obtainable.
I've also been looking for the album
Ipi 'n tombi - The Warrior , with the same effect. I have been on the music download site called Imesh and have only been able to download one song.
I would appreciate any help available.
************ Have a good new year everyone*************
I'll be patroling the streets of Musselburgh, dealing with
the drunks and miscreants but still having a good time.
Cheers
Mark McDonald [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eastl Lothian, Scotland
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 22:00:55 (UTC)
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Craig I can see you raiding the convent but you wern't looking for Pecan Nuts. Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 20:23:01 (UTC)
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Hey Silvester Happy Birthday,and all the best to you and the family for the New Year.Where are my Wedding photos?Life is a bitter pill.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 18:22:16 (UTC)
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Heather will you get down as far as Swakopmund? if so go to the golf club and tell them that I asked you to look up some friends of mine, I will have quite a few still there but ask for Len and Nesta Quan and tell them I said they must look after you, also if you get into the Standard Bank there ask to see the manager his name is Shorty Van niekerk and is a good Buddy of mine and if you need any help he is the guy, give him my regards and tell him I hope he has a happy new Year, I do not know if you are going to the mine Rossing Uranium but if you do mention my name and you will get VIP treatment let us all know what you get up to Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 16:04:09 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Not in a convent, but right next door to one actually. Kept chasing me away when I raided their pecan nut tree.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 10:13:19 (UTC)
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My friend the Canadian professional SSS--- Stirrer, I dont know what Johnny is talking about Heather? he must have been brought up in a convent if he doesn't, which I very much doubt, no he is trying to ingratiate himself into Heathers good books, what he did not know was that Heather has filled up all the potholes on th kabelenga road and is now half way down Cairo road, she only gets 20 ngwee a pot hole so you can understand while she is contemplating the streets bless her little cotton socks, but after reading the last edition of the Low Down I do not think a closing down is imminent so to the few dissapointed men who were praying for a collapse hard luck and to my Canadian friend Go fly your KITE. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 09:34:48 (UTC)
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Birthday wishes for today to Jan Knott and Grant Moreland and early birthday greetings to Howard Silk and Mike Benigson for tomorrow and Adrian Mooy, Angus MacDonald and Brian Crawford for Wednesday.
Craig
I've already been out on the streets - week before last we fixed that big pothole as you turn into Kabelenga Road and the big one as you turn into Tuleteka Road. All the rest have been retained so as ensure you keep awake whilst driving.
Heather
out the door, on my way to Namibia
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 29, 2003 at 09:22:26 (UTC)
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I would have you two water nymphs know that there is nothing wrong with my focus and it can reconize two water slappers at a hundred yards above or below water, mark ne sark ne I only wish it was splashing around in the Kafue right now, Hippo Eyes xx
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 23:18:46 (UTC)
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Linda
If it is a female in the water with the Johnious Greenious their biggest problem will be getting him to raise his focus to look them in the eyes.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 22:08:45 (UTC)
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Mostly Tina knows b.s. and humour.
I do love languages but am lazy about learning them. I found an internet teach your self Russian site and strung some sentences together for Douggie G as a gag. Also I wouldn't have been at all surprised if he'd replied in Russian himself. Nothing surprises you about Doug's knowledge. Also Chris has a Russian born teacher at school so we do occasionally dig up new things off the internet to say to her.
I have taught myself some basic Korean to communicate with the telecom field engineers at my current back-up job. It's easy and lots of fun. All you need is an enquiring mind. But it's mostly like Doctor Johnson's Dancing Dog. The marvel is not how well he danced but that he danced at all!
The whole birthday thing and everything else on line right now is fun.
Hippo New Year to all.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 22:04:34 (UTC)
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Heather,
I don't know what Johnny is talking about, but I thought you were suggesting that you would be fixing the potholes on Kabalenga Road. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 21:04:45 (UTC)
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More Hippo Facts:
I found this very interesting as I was sure our man Johnny was the only animal able to see both above and below the swamp while ogling females of his species...
HIPPO EYES:
As an opening to a very powerful talk at a recent ASME meeting, the speaker provided something interesting from his background as an expert of the science of optics.
He showed a very intriguing collection of sketches of the pupils of the eyes of many different animals and explained why and how they are different.
For example, we all know a cat has eyes that vary from a round pupil to a vertical slit depending on the light.
Humans just go from large to small circles. Unless you are of the Johnnious Greenous family, in which case your eyes are able to go cross-eyed, and do, quite frequently. Aside from this characteristic, a Johnnious Greenous was also found to have the extraordinary characteristics of the hippo's eye, noted below.
The least understood is the camel with a square, yes a square pupil. No one can seem to explain it.
The horse is unusual because the horse uses a vertical slit in a very different way. The horse's eyeball is not spherical. It is oddly shaped with one depth directly to the back-center of the eyeball and another to the upper back. This way, the horse is far-sighted when looking straight ahead for running and near-sighted when they are looking down to eat grass. Sort of built-in glasses.
(Germane)Then came the hippo. The hippo is most unique in all the world. Its pupil is in the shape of an upside-down T with smooth corners. The reason for this is that the hippo is the only animal in the world designed to see above and below water level with the same intensity of light gathered to show a total scene. The small slit above gathers light from the air and the large lower slit gathers light from the water. It is bigger as there is much less light.
A word of caution to the adventurous females ... Next time you find yourself in the Kafue River with the endangered cousin of the hippo, a Johnnious Greenous, stare into its eyes and see if this information proves correct. If it's eyes appear to be in a cross-eyed upside down T position, and it's nostrils are flared, I would suggest running for your life.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 16:18:07 (UTC)
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Dear Heather It was you that said if you you did not have the lowdown you would be on the streets, I was only trying to be helpful, Who is my opposition I will get him out of the picture I bet he is not as nice as me , Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 15:51:27 (UTC)
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Northeners
Did you know that Talented Tina besides speaking English, American, Irish, Northern Rhodesian, Swahili, German and probably half a dozen Zambian languages can also speak Russian. She has just corrected my mis-spelling to Do svidaniya! I can't get away with anything here! Wow! I had better stick to Fanakalo from now on.
Dawie
You had better be carefull what you say. Tina probably knows Dutch as well!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 09:50:38 (UTC)
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Sarah Wild, Peter Bromwich
Best wishes on your birthday
Chandru
Out of the 1,325 members, only 1029 of them have entered their dates of birth, which gives you an average of 2.81 birthdays per day. The highest number of birthdays in any one month is July with 100 birthdays and a daily average of 3.22. The lowest number of birthdays is January with 75 and a daily average of 2.41. In theory, February with only 28 (or 29) days, should have the least amount of birthdays but it has 79 birthdays listed.
This brings us to the question - why have only approximately 77 percent of our members listed their date of birth? Is it because you need to put in the year of birth as well and people don't want others to know how old they are (and this raises its own question about whether those stating their date of birth are predominantly male or female - I'm not about to do those statistics right now?).
Logic tells us (or at least mine does) that dates of birth should be spread more or less evenly over the year. I this is true, then perhaps those people born in January are more grumpy and secretive than those born in July. Or for those that believe in character analysis based on astrology, perhaps there is a reason hidden in there.
Should we not also be looking at where people were born and what the weather was like nine months earlier or whether there were a lot of power failures at the time. Or perhaps in less developed places, the obstetrician only called once a week, so you had to hold on until he was around. Dates of birth are also subject to all sorts of manipulation (or they used to be). I know of one person who was born on 1 April (in Broken Hill to make this posting germane), but the date on her birth certificate is stated as 31 March because, if she was born before the end of the tax year, her parents would get a good sized tax rebate. I also know of someone who was born on 29 February whose mother said 'no son of mine is going to have that date of birth' so it was changed to 1 March.
Sorry for this inane posting.
Johnny
Just what do you have in mind? We already have one suspected pimp amongst our membership.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 08:07:57 (UTC)
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The ultimate example of unpredictable animal behaviour is of course our Johnny. There is so much Kafue Water in his system that you NEVER know what he is going to do next.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 03:30:11 (UTC)
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Tina and Linda.....Along with your interesting observations regarding Hippo's tis the silly season after all .........I have another interesting fact ..did you know that elephants walk on their tip toes......their toes are supported behind by a fibrous-fatty cushion and enclosed in a hoof like structure of skin, with only the nails exposed....oh and Tina re the human children latching on to our wallets.....yes I can relate to that......(giggles)
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, December 28, 2003 at 01:19:06 (UTC)
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And now for today's Stupid Human trick:
Hippo attacks Ukrainian woman
A young woman suffered serious injuries when she was attacked by a hippopotamus in a zoo in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv.
The zoo manager, Yelena Tkatchenko, said the accident happened after the 18-year-old woman jumped the fence into the enclosure of a female hippo and her cub and waded into their pool to amuse other visitors.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 21:06:34 (UTC)
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Linda
Your story about US censorship reminded me of the time the Guinea National dancing troupe went to Moscow on a cultural exchange program.
When the Russkis found out that the Guinean traditionally danced topless they were horrified. This would cause an uproar! They told the Guineans very firmly that this could not be permitted and while performing in Mother Russia they would have to behave according to Russian tradition and dance covered up.
After some consultations among themselves the Guineans told the Russians that the were prepared to abide by Russian customs as long as the Bolshoi Ballet on their forthcoming reciprocal visit to Guinea would abide by Guinean customs and dance topless.
The result was the Guinean troupe was allowed to dance in their own traditional manner!!
Nostrovia en Dosdavanya Tovarich!
Comrade Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 19:51:09 (UTC)
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My dear Heather If you would like to go out on the streets I am sure I can arrange some thing for you, Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 19:48:14 (UTC)
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Chandru
Yes....of course. Thanks for demonstrating the logic. Funny how often we forget to use our wits and logic. See below.
Ali
Pangolins - how different from human children who often attempt to keep up by attaching themselves to their parents' wallets.
Your animal talk reminds me of the Diana Tilden Davis hippo attack. Even folk who are African bred can fail to keep their wits working and their antennae up in the Bush. They know that hippos, already highly territorial are crowded, edgy and super-grumpy in low water season yet they fail to be as aware as they should. She was going down a narrow channel at a time it was known the hippos were extra stressed due to low water crowding and there had already been the recent sad death of another South African from hippo attack.
Well, it's easy to be wise talking over events afterwards ;-)
Yet, even doing everything right, people can't predict every animal behaviour.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 18:38:09 (UTC)
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Tina
Here is an interesting statistic. Divide today's number of GNR members (1,325) by the number of days in a year (365) and you come to approximately 4 birthdays per day, Xmas day turned out to be an average day.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 16:06:30 (UTC)
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Heather..... I reiterate with Linda's posting regarding the Lowdown..I never fail to read it, and l look forward to seeing the cover art work each month..well done....
Tina.. tis a little quiet isn't it.....as I drag myself away from my latest book on wildlife...I was thrilled to see a picture of a Pangolin and her baby.....the latch themselves onto their mothers tails so they don't get left behind.......oh well back to the book.....
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 13:12:11 (UTC)
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Richard Robbins, Hilry Wilson
Best wishes on your birthday
Craig
Naah, them's not fighting words; them's just that woman again who has learnt that if you want something to happen, you have to make it happen.
Linda
It's my pleasure, but also my business. If I did not do the Lowdown, I'd be out on the streets
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 07:37:48 (UTC)
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Wow! We have four actual Christmas babies on the site and a couple of Boxing Day babies. Did you have a hard time training your friends and rellies to give you SEPARATE birthday and Christmas presents? My folks were always wonderful about keeping things separate with my 21st December birthday and Christmas four days later. Ayub doesn't personally celebrate Christmas so it would be less of a problem for him. But he has the wonderful philosophy of celebrating and getting to understand all his friends' festivals as well as his own. I just love that idea and intend to emulate it.
S'quiet out here Lindy Lou isn't it? They all have hangovers or are on cruises or with relatives or out or are just less internet addicted than me. All of these are possible.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 01:52:43 (UTC)
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Heather:
Just had a lovely read of your latest edition of The Lusaka Lowdown. Thanks for all your hard work on it. Northerners - if you don't take the time to read this each month, you are missing out.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 26, 2003 at 15:47:35 (UTC)
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Ron...I've emailed you privately. If not in receipt, call me - I'm in the Cape Town directory - effective to the 6 Jan 2004.
Johnny G...poli-poli young 'un. That's the C.O.T.K.U. you treat so lightly!
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, December 26, 2003 at 12:46:57 (UTC)
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Heather my dear who said I was jesting about Broken Hill.
Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 26, 2003 at 10:56:08 (UTC)
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Hello and Season's Greetings to all fellow GNR subscribers from Greyton in the Cape - a little bit cooler than Hong Kong this Christmas season.
Congratulations to Sue & Paudie across the sea in Oz - here's wishing you both a Great Great Wedding Day.
CJ in Capetown
When is the next NRPA gathering in Capetown - I may be able to manage the drive in from the hills during the brief time I am down here.
Best wishes, Ron from HK
My mail is being forwarded to me here in Greyton whilst I have intermittent access to a computer.
Veronica's Mobile:884 853 9653
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Friday, December 26, 2003 at 07:30:35 (UTC)
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Birthday wishes for yesterday to Marion Mould, Mark Mulder, Ayub Ismail Zumla and Howard Marx-Hughes and for today to Dave Bridges and Donald Russell
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 26, 2003 at 06:56:32 (UTC)
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Heather
I was sorry to hear of David Simpson's passing away. I enjoyed reading his column in the Lusaka Lowdown magazine.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, December 26, 2003 at 05:28:25 (UTC)
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Anybody heard of a delightful little story called, "Kirikou and the Sorceress"? I got the DVD as a Christmas present and have just finished viewing it. Great story, very colourful and beautifully told. Funny, though, because the characters (animated) are all African villagers, and yet the accents are a mixture of white and black, English and Afrikaans, South African accents. Put a strange quirk into listening to the characters, but a cute little story. The artwork was really good. Interestingly, my hubby said he had to order it from Canada over the internet, due to the people being drawn exactly like they are in a village. When he first read about the story, he said that there was an attempt to retell the story in the States, but that it could not be done without the body parts being covered over as they would not pass censorship for a children's story. It never ceases to amaze me what censorship does or does not allow over here. Oh, well... back to my other recently discovered treasures, Mma Precious Ramotswe of the No. 1. Ladies Detective Agency series, set in Botswana. A great read!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 22:37:20 (UTC)
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I am wondering if anyone at all has any news on Kevin Lospar of Ndola, last heard of in South Africa 25 years ago. He would be around 55 now and may be an accountant.
Regards
Bob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 21:09:37 (UTC)
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Just to clarify the posting below from Tina Magee, I disavow personally being involved in the situation that brought poor Santa to his very knees. However, I have just returned from the Travis Country Lockup after posting $500 bail to secure the release of an unwelcome visitor to my home. She was charged with "Bodily assault with deadly weapons and administering excessive CPR to a person still alive... barely." Shame on her.
And now to something more germane...
Is there anyone in Zambia who can look up a contact phone number of Vic and Sally Bradbury, last known living in Kitwe, please? If you have it, please email me privately. I have a message for her. Thanks.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 17:49:45 (UTC)
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Dear Linda in Austin
I am so very grateful the hostage standoff at your house is over and Santa is all right. I understand that while he wasn't able to walk unassisted his: "ho ho ho's" were exceptionally jovial. He was quoted as saying: "It all started when she leaped out from behind the Christmas tree and shook her ornaments at me." You MUST tell a member of your household she can't kidnap Santa in her pursuit of red dresses for Christmas.
Well I know you won't reply on line and I only bring this up myself due to extreme concern. Wanted you to know I cared, though.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 15:30:57 (UTC)
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As I write we are listening to a CD of Ipi Tombi, nibbling on some of John Glenn's biltong and watching Thomas The Tank Engine steam around a track! The kids are all having a wonderful time and Neiles and I have been transported back to the early '70's! Fabulous!!
Hope you are all having as memorable a time!
Bridget and Neiles
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 10:01:29 (UTC)
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Hi, I was born in Chingola 1956, spent most of the time in Bancroft(Chil.....) and Kitwe. It would be good to hear from anybody out there at that time- especially like to know where Gerard Siarra(spelling ?) who moved to SA early 60's.
Steve
Steve Thomas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Truro, Cornwall, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 07:58:00 (UTC)
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Ali, Ally, Jade, Leah, Poli, Mbuzi, Kafue, Momma Rosie, puppies, and Bella
Thanks, sis for the lovely surprise Christmas call. How did the others go? Call you for the Perth New Year.
Love,
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 05:31:30 (UTC)
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To all Northerners, wherever in the world you may now be, a sincere wish that you have a safe and enjoyable Christmas, and can look forward to a happy and positive New Year.
We are a group of very fortunate people who share a host of wonderful memories - the envy of many!
Seasons greetings to all.
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 01:04:40 (UTC)
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Sue and Paudie,congratulations and all the best.Wish you all the best for the rest of your living days.Remember a partner is for life not just for Christmas Ha! ha!
Merry Christmas ALL and Happy New Year,
From,
Pappy,Shirley and Family
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 22:43:29 (UTC)
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Sue, at least Paudie has now got a decent haircut after all these years. You are obviously a good influence! Best wishes to you both on your Wedding!
Almal, each and everyone, Happy happy and a great New Year.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 20:04:12 (UTC)
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Heather,
Them's fightin' words. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 17:32:11 (UTC)
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Helen
The Fusco girls are still here. If you remind me in January, I shall contact them for you.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 15:39:29 (UTC)
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Hello, everyone! I'm ecstatic about being a new member of the GNR! I'm trying very hard to locate some friends from Lusaka who are possibly in the U.K. or still residing in Zambia. Does anyone know the whereabouts of Colin Cox (mother worked at the Farmer's Coop) and Colin had several brothers. He was a mechanic too and went to England. My other question is, does anyone know the Fusco girls, Angela and Maria? I have other people on my list that I'm trying to locate too. It would be great to get all you GNR-ers' input into locating my lost friends. Let me know! I went to school at the Convent in Lusaka and Harare, if that helps anyone.
Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy 2004!
Helen D'Cruz(Schlansky)
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 15:28:25 (UTC)
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Johnny
Your should not jest about Saddam hiding in Broken Hill. During the Gulf War in 1990/1, his family were accommodated here in Zambia so it is quite conceivable that he had taken refuge in BH.
Peter D
It is always a pleasure but this year you should also thank Arthur and the other Larkers for their photos.
Which brings me to the subject of the next reunion. Where is it going to be? There is a small get-together in the offing in Cape Town in mid-February and then the Siavonga Soiree in 2005. But nothing in between. Is there no one out there man (or woman) enough to take this on?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 14:42:21 (UTC)
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Christmas and New Year Wishes!
From sunny Cape Town (with the promise of rain tomorrow!) to all my old and new GNR friends where ever you may be, may you have a joyous and blessed Christmas and may 2004 be kind to all of us. May we see a peaceful settlement in all the trouble spots of the world especially in strife torn Zimbabwe. May we enjoy good health. May we have sufficient to meet our needs. May we be satisfied!
I think that the Prayer for Africa says it all:
"God bless Africa
Guard her children
Guide her leaders
And grant her peace."
All the very best to the close-knit 1323 and to the 'Big Four" who make it all happen - thank you Dave, Heather, Arthur and Craig!
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 11:06:32 (UTC)
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Wishing you all a great Xmas and a fantastic 2004!!!
Congratulations Paudie and Sue on the upcoming nuptials.
And a BIG, BIG, BIG thank you to Heather for all the super photos this year!!!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 09:54:28 (UTC)
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Johnny,
I'm surprised you haven't posted this one. :)
On a tour of Australia, the Pope took a few days off to visit the coast for some sightseeing. He was cruising along the beach in the Pope-mobile when there was a frantic commotion just off shore. A helpless man, wearing an English rugby jersey, was struggling frantically to free himself from the jaws of a 25-foot shark. As the Pope watched in horror, a speedboat pulled up with three men wearing Wallabies rugby jerseys. One quickly fired a harpoon into the shark's side while the other two reached out and pulled the blue, semiconscious English fan from the water. Then, using long clubs, the three beat the shark to death and hauled it into the boat. Immediately the Pope shouted and summoned them to him.
"I give you my blessing for your brave actions. I heard that there were some bitter hatred between Australian and English rugby fans, but now I have seen with my own eyes that this is not true."
As the Pope drove off, the harpooner asked his buddies, "Who was that?"
"It was the Pope. He is in direct contact with God and has access to all of God's wisdom."
"Well, he may have access to God and his wisdom, but he doesn't know sh*t about shark fishing. Is the bait holding up OK or do we need to get another one?"
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 08:07:42 (UTC)
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Good morning campers here is your smile for this morning I gather that yesterdays smile did not go down to well by the deathly silence that followed it, but I will try again.
A man was sat at the bar just gazing at the glass of beer in front of him and at the side of the bar was one of the towns local toughs watching him, eventually the tough strolls over to the man and says you dont look very happy whats the matter with you? the man says no I am not happy my buisness has folded I have lost all my money , and my wife has gone off with another man, the tough says well heres somthing else you have lost and picks up the mans glass and drains it in one gulp, the man says to him you arn't very lucky either are you? why do you say that says the tough? he replys because you have just drunk my drink laced with cyanide that I was contemplating ending it all with.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 07:59:00 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue,
Add one more round of congratulations please.
All,
Happy Christmas, happy birthday, merry New Year, happy Robbie Burns day, blessed be on the solstice... please pick your appropriate greeting from the above list and consider yourself greeted.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 07:32:42 (UTC)
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Chris Waller, Pamela-Anne Jones
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 07:02:45 (UTC)
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To all friends on GNR have a great Christmas, have fun.
Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 07:02:18 (UTC)
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All reports allude to Sadaam being found in a scruffy little hole that no self respecting human being would ever resort to only in desperation prompts me to wonder how long had he been hiding in Broken Hill? Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 06:30:21 (UTC)
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Arthur You must have had a private EM to tell you the weight of her tiger what was it in metric or imperial I would like to know please, Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 06:23:51 (UTC)
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hi every one..
If any one is going to the table mountain, would it be possible to get some pictures of the new shop, inside aswell. The last time I was there they were just fixing it up. very disapointing. 1997. They say it looks very nice now. Thanks for all the buet photo's over the year, have a merry xmas and a happy new year, every one,
Barry
Barry Morton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 06:08:06 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue -
Congratulations to you both. Have a wonderful day on the 27th, and happiness always.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 05:48:21 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue
my best wishes for you both......may your days together be forever.....
To the wonderful GNR family....headed by our own Craig, Heather, Artie and of course Dave Cooper Hope you all have a wonderful time this festive holiday and hope the new year will bring lots of good luck and of course peace on earth esp. the Zimbabwean folk..... ............love to you all
Jilly and Tina The little African babies are doing well.........wonderful characters only us Africans have.....
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 03:19:38 (UTC)
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Recent Site Updates:
December 23rd, 2003:- Finally, just in time for its centenary, we have a map of Broken Hill on-line. Please see the maps page for details. Our thanks to member Bob Eglington for this contribution.
- Added a link to the links page to the Luanshya Connection.
- Cleared the backlog of pending Names Directory entries. If your entry has not been activated, look for it and the reason in the list of pending entries.
- I have also cleared my backlog of GNR-related e-mail, so if you were waiting for me to get back to you on something, please check your e-mail.
- A merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to all from your slaves at the GNR.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 02:17:11 (UTC)
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Jill,
I am afraid not - your tiger was no doubt weighed on metric scales, and so is instantly disqualified. My rules, are as always, on the proper imperial scale.
You could try France, failing that Holland.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 01:08:52 (UTC)
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Seasons Greeting to you all on GNR. My brother and I have just joined your ranks. We grew up in Ndola from 1952 to 1973 and many of you may have known our father Jack Worrill and his father JW Worrill from CBC and the Tennis circuit on the Copperbelt.
We are now established in Christchurch New Zealand, but we still dream of Ndola.
Regards Bob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 22:05:27 (UTC)
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Jill what did your tigerfish weigh?
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 21:26:04 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue I hope the sun shines for you on Saturday and may your married life be as happy as mine was, Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 21:22:27 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue,
WOW! Have a wonderful day on the 27th. We are going to the second wedding of Otto's best friend from Zim days in Cape Town on the very same day - so we shall drink a toast to your wedding at theirs - also a fairy tale story! Very exciting for us - must be a fairy tale date! I hope both couples will live happily ever after.... after all (so far 30 years) Otto and I have!
Arthur,
I have still not been able to send you the pic of MY tiger fish - I must remember to get it from Irene in the New Year. Try not to get too jealous.... I caught it in Botswana, but in the confluence of the Chobe and Zambezi - hope that counts for something?
Craig,
Where's your story about your trip? Don't do it till January as I am away (very selfish, me) as I am away for a while!
JP
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 20:30:33 (UTC)
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Sue and Paudie,
I have been following your Love Story and get tingles up my spine. May the sun shine on your lovely day - I hope you celebrate at least fifty years of marriage. God bless.
CJ
No, no relation. Geoff is an Aussie. Isn't Moffat a common name?? In my youth,we had a Houseboy and a garden boy named Moffat and we lived off Moffat Avenue in Bulawayo. AND of course don't forget the infamous Robert and Mary Moffat!! How could I not marry a Moffat when I met one??
Famona Gayther
I am BUZZing you. Why you no reply my seester?? HEPPY HEPPY KLISMAS!!
Sue Moffat (née Corbishley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sydney, Australia
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 20:10:07 (UTC)
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TO ALL MY OLD AND NEW FRIENDS ON THE GNR
I hope you all have a wonderfully happy Christmas and and prosperous and happy New Year. I will drink to you all (any excuse!)
PAUDIE & SUE
Happy wedding day to you both. It's a lovely story and I am so glad it's having a happy ending. Have a wonderful day and a wonderful life - you deserve it!
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 19:15:34 (UTC)
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Grant Knowles,
Tried to e-mail you at your old address and, of course, it didn't work. Please contact me and we'll sort out the issue we discussed in Livingstone.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 19:09:50 (UTC)
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Tina
Sorry I missed your birthday! Hope it was filled with love and laughter!
Arthur the Magnificent!
You found a map of the Centre of the Universe! I will study it when I have more time in the new year! Thank you thank you!
Paudie and Sue
Best wishes for the 27th! May all your dreams come true.
A very Merry Christmas to all on the GNR and a happy and prosperous 2004. Take care everyone and stay safe in the 'silly season'!
Jacqui xx
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 18:14:31 (UTC)
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Sue and Paudie
Heartiest congratulations. Have a lovely memorable carefree laugh-til-you-ache joyful wedding day.
Jilly
Sue and Paudie have got the ultimate African pet - each-cuddly-other.
Thanks for the good wishes and enjoy your Karoo Christmas and after Christmas scuba diving.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 16:22:51 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue
CONGRATULATIONS!!
We will be thinking of you on Saturday.
Love and Best Wishes
Bridget and Neiles xxx
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 16:06:03 (UTC)
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HAPPY CHRISTAMS TO ALL GNR'S
We are looking forward to a family Christmas with my mother, Josie; brother Neiles, his wife and two children. Since I had the two youngest children, ( 5yrs and 2yrs), Christmas has come ALIVE again and Neiles and his family love to spend Xmas with us.
We have a 6 foot wicker Rudolf, (my husbands company supplies them to 'M & S' for their Xmas displays), positioned in the porch; the decorations are all up and the turkey and ham are in the fridge and my lovely husband is getting up at the crack of dawn tomorrow to get the last vegetables and bread. Best of all I have a working kitchen even if its not tiled and decorated yet!!
I love Christmas - I love to see the excitment on the children's faces, and play stupid games after too much eating and drinking. Neiles has never matured and is as big a kid now as he was 40 years agoand brings out the best, or is it the worst (?) in my husband and all the children ...... can't wait!
So I would like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 16:04:04 (UTC)
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MERRY
CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR,
and a PROSPEROUS 2004 TO ALL
Getting Married
This is also a special Christmas for Sue Forde and I, as we are getting married this Saturday, 27 December here in Perth. As some of you know, we met up again in Februaty 2002 through the GNR. So thank you to this wonderful site, and it's founder and management Dave, Heather, Craig and Arthur.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 16:01:44 (UTC)
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Graham Longstaff, Erman Barbosa
Best Wishes on your Birthday
CJ
Yes, we still have that date for mid-February 2004 - was thinking about it just last night.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 15:06:00 (UTC)
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Christmas is here yet again.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to ONE and ALL.
AND ALL THE BEST FOR 2004
CHRIS & LORRAINE COTTON
P.S. THANKS FOR THE BIRTH DAY WISHES.
Chris Cotton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Copperbelt, Zambia
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 13:04:20 (UTC)
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My e-mail address has changed to:
m_griffin@mweb.co.za
Alan Griffin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Knysna, South Africa
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 11:45:32 (UTC)
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Well, I'm back in Town after a wedding and a wedding anniversary in George. Also spent some time with my sister and parents in Vleesbaai and Mossel Bay respectively. What a beautiful part of the world, and what a climate. Today it's a balmy 29C in Cape Town, and the Cape Doctor (South Easter) has decided to give us a break.
Arthur (and Bob) - Thanks for the map of BH - gratefully appreciated. Now to put street names on a 'blown-up' version.
Sue Moffatt - are you any relation to ol' Angus Buchan?Last I saw him and Jill was when I dropped in on them @ Greytown (Natal) in 1978! Did you reside @ 2 Iris Street - BH?
Beth Lloyd - sorry we couldn't get together when last you were in CT. There'll be other occassions.
Heather C - we still have that date in mid Feb 2004?
Seasonal greetings to all on the GNR.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 11:29:43 (UTC)
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Just a quickie to all those who have little ones on their list.
If you send a letter, of whatever sort to :
Father Christmas,
North pole,
Canada
HoHoHo,
it will be answered by our Canadian postal types.
From anywhere in the world.
The hohoho is the code that ensures answer.
Our sstem needs a letter, a number a letter, etc etc.
Get the rugrats and curtain clingers writng!
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 11:16:30 (UTC)
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Tina,
I have been so busy trying to get an international riding newsletter out before Christmas that I haven't even lurked, so I missed your birthday! Hope it was as wonderful as you are! BTW - thanks for clearing up the Africans in Ali's houshold, let's start a trend - we all get African pets from now on!
Northerners,
Please have a happy Christmas and may 2004 bring peace to the world - and prosperity, happiness and good health to all on the GNR.
We are leaving for Cape Town on Christmas Day so we'll be thinking of you all when we reach our half way destination in the Karoo. We'll drink a toast to all - especially the lush ladies as we wash down chilled prawns with a bit of bubbly.
Love and Best Wishes
Jil, Otto, Kai, Tristan and the Basenjis
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:59:15 (UTC)
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Merry Christmas, and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year to you all. Hope Santa brings you lots of lovely pressies.
Last, but certainly not least, lets hope Santa can bring some sanity to Zimbabwe, and peace to the rest of the world.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:50:33 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, just an obversation before your smile for the day, Tina says she is going to be a lurker that is the second time in two days she has said it and I am sure if she was the most wanted woman in the US by the FBI she could not lurk any longer than the two days she has just endured.
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A gentleman told a little audience of six of us in the pub this joke yesterday you can imagine what was was said to him on the completion of his story,
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An old lady went to the vet with what was a very dead parrot and said to he vet could you reasure me that he is dead before I cremate him? the vet looked at the parrot and said after smacking his head on the desk a couple of times, yes he is dead,the old lady being very attached to her parrot said I would like a second opinion, so the vet called in his cat and said to it is this bird dead ?the cat pawed it for a moment and then said yes its dead allwright, the old lady said how can I consign it to the flames on the word of a cat, I want one more opinion,so the vet calls to his labrador dog and says check this bird for signs of life and after sniffing and pawing it for a minute says yes it is definitely dead, the old lady says well I suppose I will have to accept it is dead, how much do I owe you? he said £300, she said thats very expensive why so much ? he said well if you had accepted my word he was dead in the first place it would have cost you £20 but he said you had a cat scan and a lab report.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:04:44 (UTC)
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Linda a good heads up on the topic and I love your take on S.A. letters to Santa. Wonder if we can get Oprah interested in Zim?
PLEASE NOTE - the independent Zimbabwe radio station SW Radio Africa are calling for E-Mails of Christmas and New Year greetings, messages of hope etc. to be read out on their Christmas and New year programming schedule. If you wish to contribute, write to views@swradioafrica.com
They need our support in country and out. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
Attempting to lurk again...
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 05:51:59 (UTC)
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Dear Mr Andrew October:
Please double check the address of those letters to "Santa". They could quite well be being re-routed to a well known celebrity in Chicago.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 03:12:33 (UTC)
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Northerners!
Well it's THAT time of the year again, my annual Christmas shopping trauma has just been completed at Sainsbury's in the company of Trish. A pleasant three hours pushing and filling a trolley with goodies, really.. The turkey this year is better than last years 3 legged beast, the chosen one has no legs whatsoever, just a very enlarged breast. The head's missing too, so are the arms. Seems they got the hormone balance just right and the GM turkey has finally arrived.
Added entertainment was provided tonight by several instances of trolley rage all accompanied by Slade's obnoxious "Merry Christmas Everybody" and the equally revolting "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day" by another moronic group I can't quite remember the name of. Sainsbury's seem to have bought the muzak rights to these two tracks since they were banned at Manchester Airport recently. It must work though, the supermarket was especially jammed to the gunnals tonight with pensioners who must come just to hear the tunes, my shins are bruised by walking frames, sticks and badly driven shopping trolleys. But that's the last time, never again, next year all this shopping is being done over the internet.
I don't know what you lot in South Africa are smiling about, first you got sucked into going into going sissy metric and now it looks like you're going to be completely banned from letting your kids write to Father Christmas, mark my words Christmas will be completely gone altogether for you lot by this time next year and then you'll even qualify for EU membership. Over here the postmen have just gone continental and now claim compensation for Christmas.
Zambia seems a million miles away just now, I set off to work at 7.00am, pitch black, by 1.00pm the light's fading, by 3.00pm it's dark again and by the time I get home everyone's gone to bed. Oh for just another hour on the Zambezi and the warmth of the sun on my back. Whinge, Whinge, whine, whine. (Beginning to sound like a flounder here)
And you know some strange people WANT to come and live in Europe and LIKE the snow and ice. Go figure.
Anyway enough, only a few more days and it's all over and the rellies will disappear for another year.
Oh I nearly forgot,
The Special Announcement
Broken Hill, aka Kawbe, more recently, New Kabul, is about to mark its CENTENARY in 2004, just a few days away now.
Most of us thought it never existed, was a petrol pump, or where the railway ended because the sleepers were stolen for fireewood. Well the myth is over, there is a map after all and the town of course played a large part in the heritage and pre-history of Northern Rhodesia and Zambia. A very important place for us all.
Ladies, Gentlemen, Johnny Green, Peter Dielissen, the BH babes - Jacqui and Beth, Ada & Chris Cantrell, and of course not forgetting my friend CJ
Especially for you.
Broken Hill - circa 1960
Map published by the Director, Federal Department of Trigonomical and Topographical Surveys, Rhodesia & Nyasaland
Map courtesy of Bob Eglington
Northerners, this is again a large image file of just over 1mb so will take a while to open for those of you on dial-up's.
Craig - will you kindly do the honours and update the Maps section of the GNR for us all when you have a mo? - 1st Jan 2004 would be nice.
Bob - on behalf of the Great North Road management and its members, my greatful thanks to you for your fantastic and important contribution to this website.
Northerners, have a peaceful Christmas holiday and my best wishes to you all for the New Year.
Arthur
PS - Happy birthday to all you lot who I've missed over the last month or two.
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 01:13:00 (UTC)
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Here is a copy of an email that I came home to tonight, there is little that can be said that hasn't already been said about the current situation in Zimbabwe. (Petreans are former pupils of Peterhouse in Marondera).
Dear Petrean
We are devastated to have to report the murder of Phil Laing (M70)
after
being abducted and forced to drink acid. A Petrean, Phil was the father
of two very successful Petrean daughters and a governor of Ruzawi
School. We pass our deepest condolences to his family. A memorial
service is being held at Ruzawi School at 11am on Wednesday 24 December
2003.
>From the UK Telegraph
21 December 2003
The chief accountant for a British-owned tea estates in Zimbabwe's
eastern mountains died early yesterday after he was abducted and
forced to drink acid.
Phillip Laing, who was married with two young children, was found
chained to a tree in the bush yesterday and it is not known whether he
died during the night or instantly. At least four of his co-workers
from
the Eastern Highlands Plantations Pvt Ltd, in the Manicaland Province,
about 40 miles north west of Mutare, were also abducted and attacked
with acid, according to businessmen in the province. It is not known
whether the murder and attacks were political or criminal. Police were
not available for comment.
Last month, President Robert Mugabe sacked Opprah Rushesa, the
governor
of Manicaland province, who was accused of being too friendly to the
handful of white farmers still on their land, and replaced her with
Lt-Gen Michael Nyambuya, a recently retired military officer who was
in
charge of Zimbabwe's troops in the war in the Democratic Republic of
Congo. The province had, until the new governor arrived endured
relatively less violence on the former white owned commercial
farms than other parts of Zimbabwe.
The tea estates were founded by James Findlay, a Scotsman, more than
50
years ago. Mr Laing's wife flew back from Australia yesterday.
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 23:44:31 (UTC)
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Thanks for fixing it so we can read the postings without going googly-eyed.
Have just watched for the second time Oprah Winfrey's journey to South Africa a year ago. Man, it was powerful. I truly hope she is sincere in saying she is going to dedicate her life (and her millions of dollars) to make life better for the children there.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 23:04:04 (UTC)
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I am a dedicated lurker. I recognise a lot of names from
the birthday lists and a couple that actually post -
unlike me.
To them and all of you that post regularly and entertain
and amuse me every morning, I wish you a Wonderful Chistmas and may the world become a more peaceful place next year.
Sue Moffat (née Corbishley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sydney, Australia
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 21:49:19 (UTC)
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sEASONS GREETINGS TO EVERYONE,Whoops forgot to take the caps lock off after my password,(uppercase). I have not posted for a while, lots of reasons, My modem packed up, ADSL.Took a week to get it replaced,( old fashioned post). Number three son has just wiped my hard drive and started my P.C. again, with a new mother board and his "old" graphics card. Much better quality now, I ll have to backtrack a bit and look again at all of those wonderful pictures from Livingstone. We had our first snow in Newcastle this morning, only 2 to 3 inches but it creates traffic Chaos every year. Too bad for the bike. Three weeks ago I went to Wales and back on the motorbike 700 miles round trip, but the wrong time of the year I nearly froze to death, coldest weekend this year. ROll on Spring.
Regards barribee.
Barrie Braidford [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newcastle upon Tyne, England
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 20:53:19 (UTC)
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Here are the official birthday greetings for yesterday:
Tina Magee and Alan Chattaway
and for today:
Heather Knowles, Sheila Wallis, Gene Pecker, Amanda Barker, David Greenall
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 10:44:07 (UTC)
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Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous and Happy New Year.
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 06:40:48 (UTC)
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I'd like to wish everyone at GNR a very Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year.:)
Jo
Jo Sloan (née Hill) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Adelaide, Australia
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 05:24:52 (UTC)
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It's been an incredible birthday and a chunk of the reason is your warmth and friendship. Thanks for the birthday wishes in order of posting:
My little sister Ali and family in Perth. Ali now has little green and red lovebirds with blue bums named Kafue and Mbuzi. So now she gives one "Kafue" water every day. And Mbuzi... a lovebird named "Goat"???? He must (heh heh) butt in a lot.
The "man for all seasons" warm-hearted and warm-storied Scarborough John.
Fellow "Mfazis of Mayhem" Woo! Hoo! Hoo! Lindy Lou! (Linda beautiful words!) and Fabulous Fifi La Gayther.
Lovely debonair Doug the Raconteur. He may speak of mealie fields but never is he mealie mouthed.
A note here to Chisanga who dropped by in email. It's quite a loss that you have other commitments. A great many of us miss your personality and always positive contributions on the GNR. We love you buddy! Good luck with your Masomo Zambian Education Fund benefitting the education of Zambians that you have poured personal time and money into.
The Gorgeous Huggable Brassingtons.
Quick-witted Catbird Doug. Setting aside the obvious reality that the GNR is chock full to the brim with loveliest ladies, that really was a very nice thing to say. You really are a very fine feathered friend!
And you lead on to another point. There are also fantastic ladies (and gents) on the GNR we know nothing of. The moral seems to be if you chatter insanely out here and share yourself people tend to remember you and if you are silent only your personal friends get to know you and the rest of us are left bereft of your knowledge, personality and charms. If you'd like to, try posting and keep posting over time. Half your posts will seem to get ignored but they aren't. People read everything but comment on or respond to what they read only once in a while.
I shall now lurk a bit and let others get a word in edgewise.
XX Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 02:51:56 (UTC)
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Happy birthday Tina .... the loveliest lady on GNR !!
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Monday, December 22, 2003 at 01:15:37 (UTC)
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Tina!!!!
Best wishes for a Happy Birthday. Have a wonderful time and love to the family and especially U.
Gary, Natasha & Scott
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 23:44:17 (UTC)
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To all who do such a great job running the GNR website, to all who contribute and to all those, like me, who lurk and enjoy, I wish you a very merry christmas and a happy healthy 2004.
Mike Fancourt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds,Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 21:27:11 (UTC)
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Dear Tina Katina,
Allow me to add my birthday wishes to the many others.
Many, many and maningi happy returns.
Lotsa Luv - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 18:24:43 (UTC)
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Dear Tina
Happy birthday my friend. I hope you have a wonderful day and a great year ahead
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 17:18:52 (UTC)
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Hi Tina:
Wishing you a very Happy Birthday. Hope you get spoiled rotten and feel like a Queen! You have been a loyal and supportive friend and many of us on the GNR love you to bits!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 17:09:54 (UTC)
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My dear Tina Many Happy Returns Of The Day I am sorry I did not say that this morning instead of insulting you, If I had remembered I would have waited while tommorow to insult you, I have your birth day marked on my calender but being a Sunday I did not look at it today as nothing ever happens on Sunday here, you are lush as your friends are too, I will drink a little whisky to your astonishing good health in a couple of hours time and maybe a chorus of 21 today for you, enjoy what is a special day for you, much Love Johnny. xx.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 17:02:48 (UTC)
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"you could eat a pickled onion and think it was a straw berry". Such an insult and on my birthday too!
That is an absolutely ridiculous assertion! Strawberries go with champagne and pickled onions go with (urgh) martinis! I would always know the difference. My drink would taste bad if I mixed up the garnishes.
Despite the hype Linda, Ali and Tina actually drink disappointingly little. We will certainly allow you to perceive us as "lush" but preferably not as "lushes".
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 15:42:28 (UTC)
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Wishing everyone on the "Great North Road" a beautiful Christmas and a New Year filled with happiness.
Thanks again to all those who work so hard continuously on the GNR, which gives us all so much pleasure, and reminds us of the wonderful life we had in Zambia.
Denise and Bernie
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 14:50:07 (UTC)
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Alix how can you shovel ice cream down on top of a bottle of Amurula every evening you are lucky you only go Hic, Hic, instead of Urg, Urg.
And Tina your lips have been Shullied that much that you could eat a pickled onion and think it was a straw berry.
Love to you both I know you can't help it Johnny.xx
Or if you prefer Bwana Greeny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 12:13:56 (UTC)
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Johnny ..hic hic........I wish..........nah, I like imbibing with the fire water and ice cream on hot evenings under the stars....
ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 08:07:42 (UTC)
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A BIG BIRTHDAY HUG TO THAT SPECIAL FRIEND WHO IS PART OF MY FAMILY...........TINA HOPE YOUR DAY IS WONDERFUL....HAVE PLENTY OF SMILES AND CAKE.........XXXXXX FROM ALI , ALICE, JADE, LEAH, BELLA, ROSIE AND KIDS,POLI AND THE TWO NEW AFRICAN RESIDENTS OF OUR HOUSEHOLD, M'BUZI AND KAFUE
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 06:17:25 (UTC)
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Paudie Coughlan
As promised I've added another video clip to my web site. This one has shots of the road between Mufulira and Kariba. It was taken in Feb 1965 (according to the label that my Mum had attached to it), but I would have expected to have been at school at Ross Avenue at that time of year. It was 1965, but maybe January instead.
The better quality clips are quite big - you'll need a high speed connection to download them, but I also made lower resolution copies that are much smaller. If anyone has a suggestion for producing smaller sized files let me know.
I have some footage of Victoria Falls that I'll work on next.
All the video clips are at http://www.themcconnachies.com/video.htm
Dave McConnachie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 05:01:54 (UTC)
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Naughty Mishter Greeny!
You mushn't mushn't cast nasturshums nononooooo! (giggle) Hello little nashturshums, (singing) .... pretty little flowersh danshing in my glash ...... in that irreponshible indeed - heprorehenible wayyy.
Not a dropsie shall ever shully my lipsh!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 04:10:42 (UTC)
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Tina Alix and Linda is it true that your HIC'S start around 8am every morning?Love Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 21:31:20 (UTC)
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Bill,
Nah, wouldn't know which one to kick!!!!
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 19:58:54 (UTC)
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Dear All,
Wishing you all a Very Merry Christmas and a Posperous New Year 2004.
A little news from the Cummings Family...........
Marlene is doing really well, responded to all her treatment like a champion and has now been cleared of Cancer for the fifth time in a row - a true blessing. As all of you will remember she was our Big Bird of the family - she went from a size 28 to a 12 (and decided that Lindsay's clothes were cool - but Lindsay had other ideas and fed her up and she is now a fit 16) Anyway she is doing great.
Allan is still playing golf, when gout doesn't attack him, shame he has quite a time with that...He's up at 7 and works in the garden until 3 pm, unless Supersport is running live - what they did in the old days when there was no TV, I do not know.
Gavin is in his 13th year at Rooderport Country Club (now Golf Director), he seems happy there. He is the local Bowls Champion and still plays his golf ( a bandit off a 6)
Lindsay was chosen to represent South Africa in Texas USA in October, and got the job of her dreams, now working as Promotions/Public Relations Exec for a Golfing Publication called Tee to Green (the largest in Southern Africa), she loves every minute of it. She is still laying lots of golf and is currently been coached by Andre Cruse and will caddy for him again on the Sunshinetour.
Lindsay is moving up to Johannesburg in the New Year, for work reasons and for her man.
Well that's all folks, hope to hear from friends.
Have a festive season - don't drink and drive.
We all still miss our life up there and it will always be "HOME"
Love
The Cummings Family
"Allan, Marlene, Gavin and Lindsay & Michael"
Lindsay Cummings [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 18:09:54 (UTC)
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Good thing Neil did not take the
last gasp drop kick - it might well
have been an "own goal!!
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 16:27:55 (UTC)
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Kristu abe nenu muli ino nshiku nkulu ya Mwezi - Bemba
Kristu akhale ndi inu munyengo ino ya Christmas - Nyanja
Krismas Njema Na Heri Za Mwaka Mpya - Swahili
Geseende Kerfees en 'n gelukkige nuwe jaar - Afrikaans
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year - back to English
"Hic!" a well understood term in Christmas Esperanto.
XXX
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 16:04:28 (UTC)
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Robert Holly, Sheilagh Schroder, Ian Wragg, Roland Ross, Lynn Williams, Chris Cotton
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 13:38:22 (UTC)
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Neil,
Please spare us - try to come to terms with World Championship status ( I know this is difficult) and leave us all alone.
It may interest you to know that I was in the little Hamlet of Barberton in Mpumalanga, South Africa
on the day of the final. After watching the game
on TV in a bush pub, hubby and I ventured into
town for some take-ways. Lo and behold - there
was a car driving through the streets (containing a whole Afrikaans family) waving the English flag
and hooting - shows how much the serf Effricans
didn't want the Ozzies to win - again! He! He!
Somebody is going to castigate me for bringing
up rugby again....it's all Neil's fault!
JP
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 00:37:54 (UTC)
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Bill Knott,
I do hope that you realise that Beauteous was a KITWE bun, not from Mufulira - I felt that I had just better point that out.
Jilly
Lest people forget which City is the centre of the known universe, you understand?
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 00:29:11 (UTC)
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Just in from another rugby club do. To prove I am not totally bonkers.
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Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 00:26:34 (UTC)
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Boy, this is a great way to wish folks and not have to worry about licking envelopes..... hate that taste.
I wish all:
ex-Mufulira,
ex-Gilbert Rennie,
-friends of the electronic miasma whom I have not met but that we love to read,
and everyone else in the world.
A Very Happy Christmas , A Happy and Prosperous Hannukah, and a Sane and Sober (boooo!) New Year to all the great GNR-ers that inhabit this site.
Especially our Founder, the Great and Wonderful Dawie, ------our elves who keep it going - the marvellous Arthur, the lotus eating and nano Craig, and Heather, that Chalcraft Woman,;.
and lastly,
to our missing and wonderful Beauteous.
Is that it?
Ok.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 19, 2003 at 23:51:57 (UTC)
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A very happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year to all our friends from Zambia
Beryl Lawrence (formerly Ablett) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hampton Magna, Warwick, United Kingdom
Friday, December 19, 2003 at 21:36:04 (UTC)
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Hans and Tina Kunzle wish all the readers of the GNR website a very merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and successful 2004.
Hans Kunzle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Larnaca, Cyprus
Friday, December 19, 2003 at 14:14:04 (UTC)
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Many Happy Returns Of your birth day my favourite girl
Diane Sewley wish I could be there to share a jug with you Johnnyxx.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 19, 2003 at 07:31:43 (UTC)
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I would like to send seasons greetings to Nicola Havard and her parents. We, too lived in C.P.C village and I remember her Father,Clive, very well. He possessed an eternal smile. On a sad note, another aquaintance of ours, John Hall passed away a few weeks ago. He had ill for some time.
Frank Burchill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wakefield West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 18, 2003 at 16:19:49 (UTC)
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Heather
Fantastic photos on Tuesday - thanks... your usual standard. I too could smell the rain.
John Evans
My sincere condolences on the loss of your Dear Old Dad. My Dad may have known him, he was in and around Lusaka from 48 to 62 when he worked in various jobs; the Aviation Authorities, NRP and just before we moved to Kitwe, Turners Paints.
My Dad has gone too, so I can't ask him... I still miss him (and Mum) even though it's been years. I guess we all just learn to cope with the loss but it takes a while.
G'day to all the GNR-ers.
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Thursday, December 18, 2003 at 15:21:25 (UTC)
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Alan Frederick Evans
My dad passed away on Monday at 85. Some of you old hands may remember him... he was the Evans of Evans and Wimshurst Surveyors in Livingstone Road, Lusaka. (Latterly Evans and Boedekker)
He took his young family out to Africa in 1948 and started up a quantity surveying practice which, through hard work, determination and luck, grew to be a success.
He told some tales about the early days in Teagles Plots outside Lusaka and the drunken parties. Being young at the time (and early to bed) I couldn't understand all these cut ties pinned around the picture rail! (lesson - don't wear a tie to my dad's parties!).
He introduced me to golf. Is the Evans and Wimshurst Cup still played for at Lusaka Golf Club?
We upped sticks and left Lusaka in 1967. Dad settled in deepest Shropshire and retired at the ripe old age of 50! He kept busy by raising chickens, keeping dobermanns and entering local politics.
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, December 18, 2003 at 15:06:32 (UTC)
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Heather, what wonderful photos, I occasionally print off photos from the site which my 8 year old son, Miceal collects in his "Zambia" folder. He announced last night that he does not want to go to the Canary Islands in January, he has to see Zambia. I would do anything to return and show my children where I lived until I was l4, I echo his sentiments. He also asked why my accent changes drastically when I speak to friends or family in South Africa, does anyone else have a neutral accent which plunges into "When We" overdrive when speaking to people from "home", I certainly have not picked up an Irish accent (so you will be able to understand me Arthur when you come on that fishing trip!), and strangely enough none of my children have Irish accents, people have often asked if we are Aussies! They havnt even picked up much of my husbands strangled Northside of Dublin vowels, and have picked up Yahs, and heys, and shames, far quicker from South African cousins who have stayed here. I will take this opportunity to say Happy Winter Solstice to all in the Northern Hemisphere, and Seasons Greetings to all the rest of you, Enjoy, go well, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Thursday, December 18, 2003 at 00:34:23 (UTC)
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David Chodzko, Barry Woodhams, Shelly Taylor
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Neil Smith
Now that you are sober, your face should be the same colour as this text. Glad you enjoyed the party
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 12:14:13 (UTC)
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Sober now !!!!!
Heather's photos remind me of when we visited Kariba in '95.
It was DRY everywhere, very dry, but there had been a brief very localised rain shower on the way to Makuti. Not enough rain to make any difference to the bush, but where
the rain had run off the road was a fantastic lush green. Bizarre, as all the surrounding bush was burnt. Yet another of those 'wish I'd stopped and taken a photo' occasions. Just to cap it all off, we almost had to stop for a Leopard crossing the road (amazing how they can just melt into the landscape).
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 10:28:16 (UTC)
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Hi All
today is the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers first flight and the
start of aviation as we know it.
My dad was born on the 2nd. June 1903 so I have always been interested in the
development because I saw all that was happening as having taken place in his
life time.
My eldest son Mark was born on the 6th. June 1969 the same year that man first
landed on the moon. It only took 66 years from that first flight to achieve
that.
I remember standing out in the yard with my infant son and looking at the moon
and thinking what achievements man will make in his life time.
This months National Geographic has run a special article on aviation to commerate
the centenary with lots of web-sites to visit.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 05:34:31 (UTC)
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Johnny
You, Jackie and Elias all left together so I suspect t'was they who lovingly tucked you into your little cot and sang you a lullaby.
All I know after that is I ended the evening in the lobby chairs being educated on the wonders of life in Mufulira as Paudie and friends relived old times. I think that went on until sometime after three.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 04:23:06 (UTC)
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Heather.
Your photos once again are wonderful, I am one of those unusual persons who don't have a sound card, and so my pc is mute...but ! at the moment I have stereo sound ...there is thunder rolling in the background so i am able to enjoy your photos just that little more.....Did Craig become one of the money changers also........giggles....so from Bwana sweety to Bwana of notes.........I think the Bwana Sweety title is the best though !!!.....lovelly to hear that the Chameleons are out and about also......
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 04:05:52 (UTC)
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Linda I did not get chance to steam your glasses at Banbury as you were tucked into your bed at 8.30pm Tina and I continued drinking until she drank me under the table around 12 pm and then some one put me into bed and lay off that 85 lark I am only 65 and still full of bounce. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 01:28:42 (UTC)
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Heather if you come into contact with Muzi Smart again please give him my regards and tell him my old buddy Glen Tweedy (MAU MAU) got mugged in Pretoria last week,thanks honey Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 18:47:42 (UTC)
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Heather:
Thanks for the narrative and fabulous photos. I can smell the rain in the dirt.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 17:25:02 (UTC)
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Missed a few birthdays yesterday:
Denise Horton, Gilliam McCluskey, Tom Jones,
and today
Barry Willson, Len Hall
Best Wishes on your Birthday
This was my third trip down to Siavonga since I took Arthur and Craig down at the begnining of October. The second trip was just after Arthur had left when Craig and I shot down for the day (together with Muzi Smart and Darrell Siddall both ex-Chingola) so that I could deal with some business on my plot. We spent a pleasant day sitting on the (stony) beach and I think we even managed to get Craig to dip his toes into the water. I do know we managed to get Muzi into the water but not for long because he kept talking about crocs.
Just before Craig went down to Zimbabwe, I also took a trip halfway through the escarpment to get some Zim $ for Craig from the money changers along the road
The last trip was two weeks ago when I spent two nights here and when it was horrendously hot and humid.
But the trip down on Sunday was wonderful. The Chirundu Escarpment is one of my most favourite places in the world. Perhaps because I know it so well - a few years ago I was driving down to Chirundu three times a week trying to sort out border problems so got to know every bend, every hill, every baobab tree, every dry river, every rocky outcrop.
On Sunday, it started raining just as I hit the top of the escarpment and although it is not the first rain of the year, it was the first heavy storm for me. Through the escarpment and with limited visibilty, I was down to second gear most of the time; but still able to see the baobab trees green with leaves, the river beds which last time were dry and sandy
but are now small flowing rivers again,
On I went through the rain, past the Kafue Gorge turnoff, past Suzan Corner, down past Four Nyau, past Red Paint and on down Kapili Ngozi, rounding a corner and having to brake sharply for a truck coming up was pulling out to avoid a rock slide. Although I had right-of-way, if the truck had stopped he would have struggled to get going again and then eventually, I was out of the escarpment and into the Zambezi Valley, onto the long straight which eventually leads to the Siavonga turnoff.
The previous rains have turned everything from a dirty, dusty brown to green; a bright, clean green which only the rain can bring
They have washed the haze out of the sky. The world is new and alive again - once again chameleons are back on the roads; for the first time, I see a tortoise striding out along the side of the road (never stop to pick up one of these tortoises because if you do, within a few days you will have a puncture).
I am alive again and have got back the energy which I had lost over the last three months ago.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 17:10:01 (UTC)
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Johnny:
A friend of mine says she can vouch for you. After all, you are the only 85yr old who can still steam up a lady's glasses, they tell me? Oh, wait. Sorry, I got the story wrong. Apparently the glasses got steamed up as she was trying to resurrect you when you flaked out at the Banbury Bash after too many beers. He! He! Luv ya!!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 16:42:20 (UTC)
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Tina, You are correct, on reflection it was in an ice bound pool, and another correction should read, He is not as (chilly) as our poor willy, I think I must have some trace of wood frog ancestry in me as a girl asked me the other evening if I was alive, roll on summer as I dont function as well in winter. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 10:28:15 (UTC)
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Oops, I left out the screening date of Wednesday, December 17 for the "Oprah in Africa" program.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 05:00:42 (UTC)
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For U.S. television viewers - "Oprah in Africa" will be screened on ABC television stations at 10.00 pm Eastern Standard Time. I wonder if part of the show includes Oprah Winfrey's recent trip to Zambia where she visited the Lusaka suburb of Chelston where I resided many years ago.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 04:58:14 (UTC)
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Peter, Ottawa sounds cold at minus 30 degrees, but minus 60 degrees in the Yukon, good grief. Incidentally the west fjords of Iceland weren't appreciably cold in winter. The passing Gulf Stream made Icelandic winter a comparative pussycat.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 02:08:37 (UTC)
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Thanks Johnny. My eyes have been opened once again as to how much my Dad enjoyed his army years and the poetry thereof! He often used to quote the first line, more fully - "Cold as a frog in an icebound pool." I always thought - "Wow, rather lyrical. I must look up the origin of that, one of these days". Now I see why he never quoted the rest to his dear family.
But the wood frog found in Ottawa and across Canada has got the poetic frog "beat!" In winter, the wood frog hibernates on land. Frost penetrates its skin and freezes its internal organs, halts blood flow and stops respiration. The heart stops beating and muscles stop moving. The wood frog's body functions return to normal when it thaws. People remaining in Ottawa and the Yukon over winter probably do much the same thing.
Many of the frogs probably wake up in little kids' pebble collections having been picked up as a likely looking pebble by an enterprising kid.
There are more than twice as many species of frogs in the Nchila Reserve in Zambia alone than in all of Europe but as far as I know none of them freeze over winter.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 01:23:37 (UTC)
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In Yorkshire we have a little poem about the cold it goes like this,
Cold as a frog in a pool
Cold as the end of an eskimo's tool
Cold as an ice berg gloomy and glum
Cold as a nappyless babies bum
But its not as cold as our poor Willy
He's dead poor bugger.
Annonymous.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 20:09:03 (UTC)
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Coldest GNR'r...
Bill lives in Ottawa also in SOUTHERN CANADA...
Perhaps he should try Whitehorse, Yukon hee, hee...
I lived there for 10 years and loved it!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 19:48:39 (UTC)
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Here are a few tributes to my namesake Mugs.
The devil sat down with Mugabe
And said you must move to Punjabi
Bob said to his friend,
You are right round the bend,
I'd rather grab farms up in Sabie.
Mugabe has wrecked a great land,
He'll be happy when no one can stand,
Except him and his minions,
And that's the opinions,
Of everyong sober or canned.
Mugabe was sent out for bread,
And came back with a hole in his head,
He said curse these long queues,
I've worn out my shoes,
And got shot for my efforts instaed.
Old Bob has a passion for shopping, At Harrods There's simply no stopping,
He grabs Zim's reserves,
And thinks he deserves,
The cake and the cream and the topping.
(2nd prize in The Sunday Times)
Mugabe was visiting hell,
And the devil asked 'what is that smell'?
It's the farms Bob has plundered,
And satan just wondered,
He'd be better off locked in a cell.
That wicked old despot Mugabe
Thinks that Grace is the image of Barbie,
When she dressed up in pink,
It made him even think,
There are prettier nags at the derby.
Mugabe when hunting by coach,
Failed even to see a cockroach,
No game was out there,
But a hare in a snare,
At least gave him something to poach.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 15:49:59 (UTC)
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Coldest GNR-er?
Possibly moi. Ottawa is the coldest capital in the world after the capital of Manchuria.\
But someone will trump us, I assume.
Mind you, we're off to freezing Australia for Jan/Feb so I guess Im out of the running.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 14:28:24 (UTC)
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Doug
Thanks for your optimism and hope for the future, it must be terrible to see only the bleak side of the picture! If Chris Tamm’s version is possible, then so is your’s and I would much rather put my faith in your version.
Thank goodness Chris will not be near any computers for a while!!!
To all of you both near and far may this season be one filled with love, laughter and happy memories and remember that the years ahead will only be as good as you expect them to be.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND THE BEST OF NEW YEARS
Love
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 09:35:59 (UTC)
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OK, so til the problem is fixed use the enter key to end
each line after typing about twelve words. Or after the
first line of twelve words or so, match the length of the
line with the subsequent ones. So let's see if this works
the way it is supposed to.... testing.... NOW!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 06:41:09 (UTC)
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HI all.....
I am a regular reader of the National Geo..and in last months edition there was an article written by an
Alexandra Fuller.....I am wondering if it is the same Alexandra Fuller of the "Don't let us go to the dogs tonight " fame.
Tina and Lindy........I know we in Perth are not going to be the coldest........giggles ..
Doug..... I love your optimism....something I think us Africans have in our blood ....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, December 15, 2003 at 03:26:57 (UTC)
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Lindy Lou
Whaddyoumean you're freezing in Austin??? Freezing is relative. You're 200 miles south-er than I am and practically surrounded by Mariachi bands and margaritas.
Then we're both a couple thousand miles south-er than the currently very silent Chisamba Marion in New Jersey and so on up to the more northern of the Canucks and Barry in Iceland.
I'll believe you're freezing when you show me non-internet generated pix of penguins walking on a frozen-over Austin Town Lake.
So who, in the GNR is spending Christmas in the COLDEST place this year?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 23:25:34 (UTC)
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Doug,
Ag ja well no fine. I always believed Rhodesians were blessed with a little more peripheral vision than the okies to the Seorf. I really do not know from which side of the Limpopo you hail, but it sure as nuts looks as though you are from "the other side".
The day I left Seorf Efrika (May 1982), on a one way ticket out of Africa, I said to my (SA) colleagues that Cde Nelson would be President by the turn of the century, save for death by assassination, or natural causes. I was laughed at all the way to Jan Smuts. In the event, I was proved wrong - by 6 years!
Your crystal ball has probably more balls than crystals, but then that is part of intelligent conversation. The only problem I have with the vision you present Doug, is that African tribalism (and yes, that very much includes the Afrikaaners and the bliksemse Inglesmanne) is so deeply entrenched that it will prevent any and all such regional development. The Boer war is raging to this very day, and then throw the black tribes into the pot, and the Volcano to the north, and you have one helluva regional mess on your hands. Zambia fell hard, Zimbabwe even harder, and Regional Super Power SA will fall hardest of all. It's a long way down.
Good wishes for your future in Vryheid Doug (and I mean that sincerely), but keep your eyes and ears wide open. Cde Mbeki is a commie, and commies think differently. Just like Mugabe. Hokoyo!
Cheers all, thanks for another great year. I will be in French Polynesia for the Christmas and New Year holiday, and nowhere near any computers.
Merry Xmas, and a healthy and prosperous 2004
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 22:52:32 (UTC)
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Thanks for the Birthday greetings!
Its a relief to hear that others are having the same trouble as me, and are having to scroll across the page. I thought I had done something wrong!
I wish all Northerners a peaceful and joyous Christmas time and hope that 2004 will bring whatever your hearts desire. God Bless.
Chris
Chris Winton (née Burton) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Crawley, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 22:00:00 (UTC)
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Linda,
I also have to scroll from side to side - thought it was just me! Thanks for letting me know that I am not as thick as I thunk.
Doug,
Love your vision for the USSA - and it could happen - what with the already successful trans-frontier parks concept linking us all up, Africa rocks! Really steaming here in Joburg today - and I just got back from Barberton which was even hotter - the basenjis were so hot they were like little angels. They'll be six months old on New Year's Day - the little darlings. They send their love to you and your boet.
Heather,
Give Siavonga my best - had many good times there!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 21:03:23 (UTC)
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oops..... Sorry folks . I wish I could edit it to make things better.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 18:02:43 (UTC)
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Heather:
Just when I was beginning to like you, you have to go and add "in Siavonga" to your signature. Here I am, freezing cold in Texas, and you are basking in the warmth. I dunno... I just dunno... (grin)
Johnny:
Scrolling from side to side will vary your daily exercise of pumping your arm up and down lifting a beer bottle to your lips.
Craig:
Sorry... didn't mean to get you back to work again. Just thought I would mention what happened. You should be resting and relaxing now. We can certainly wait.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 16:57:03 (UTC)
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Linda I have a 19" screen and have got the same problem, I hope Craig can rectify it as it is a nuisance scrolling left to right and then back again to read each message Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 16:43:06 (UTC)
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Ooops, Craig, just when I was telling everyone you were offline (which is where you're supposed to be)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 16:18:48 (UTC)
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Linda
It could well be the reason, but we're just going to have to wait it out until Craig is back and able to do something about it.
Heather
in Siavonga
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 16:17:14 (UTC)
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Linda,
Mike's conclusion is correct. I am looking for software that will require a breathalyser test from potential posters.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 16:09:33 (UTC)
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If anyone is experiencing the same change as I am when I view the GNR now, it is apparently due to naughty Neil Smith not putting any white spaces in one particular part of his one message below. What does that mean? Heck, I don't know. That's just what my hubby told me. I cannot get the full page in view now. I have to scroll across to read a full line of text in the postings and the graphics on the right side.
Is it just me or are you also having to do that? Just curious.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 15:30:41 (UTC)
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Johnny
Today Saddam, tomorrow Mugs!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 13:08:44 (UTC)
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Goood Moorrrning World!
It is a scorching hot day already in Vryheid with the mercury hitting 36c and rising.
We have Dave the founder, Arthur the flounder, Ron the poet (who also moonlights as DC of Chinsali), Johnny the joker, Chris the critic, Linda the carpenter (with her 2 x 4) and now Doug the ponderer. What a funny collection we are!
Chris, you may very well be right but there are a few obvious differences. In RSA out of a total of around 40 million, there are 5 million Whites, 4 million Coloureds, and 1 million Indians, thus the minorities’ form 25% of the population not less than 1% as in Zim (100,000 in 12,000,000). Therefore we still form a formidable political force. You may say that not all of the minorities support the opposition, but then not all of the majority support the ANC / Communist party alliance. You might be astonished to find that many black African people are far more right wing and conservative than yourself. Many of the traditionalists are violently anti-communist. So in South Africa, it is far more complex than the simple black versus white terms that you view it in.
Further the black population is divided into at least 11 ethnic groups. About 60% support the ANC but this is diminishing. The Democratic Party has formed a co-operation alliance with the second largest black party; the Zulu based, Inkatha Freedom party. Unlike Zim with its virtual one party dictatorship, South Africa has a very active opposition in a multi-party democratic system.
Us Seth Efrikans have a saying that goes like this, "When the Jews leave a country it you know the country is on the way out, when the Portuguese leave the country is already gone". Well the Porks are still here and the Jews are coming back. Sol Kersner of Lost City fame, has returned to invest billions in new ultra luxury hotels. More multi - billions are being poured into property developments in Durban and along the north coast. A few years ago you could buy the best house in Natal for less than a million rand. Now some of the better plots on the fancy new golf estate are going for 8 million rand without a house. We all know the world is run from Wall Street so if those guys are putting their money into South Africa maybe they know something we don't.
Zimbabwe is the most serious fly in the ointment at the moment but I think that is coming to an end soon. In fact, if the gutless western governments had cracked the whip when they should have, the situation would not have gone this far.
Chris as I say, you may very well be right, but let me give you a more optimistic option.
My prophecy is that the Zim situation will soon be resolved. Zim will become part of a new United States of Southern Africa that will include Angola with its oil and diamonds and millions of hectares of empty good agricultural land, more than enough to resettle all the millions of landless people; the Congo with its vast mineral wealth and especially its rivers for hydro-electric power and damming and diversion to the arid south. If China can built the three gorges dams, with advances in engineering technology anything is possible. The Kalahari and the Namib can become a gardens of Eden. The USSA will include the three countries of the old Federation with their well known agricultural, mining and expanding tourist potential. It will also include Mozambique, Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi, Lesotho, Botswana, Namibia and of course my beloved Swaziland. In fact the whole of Bantu Africa as distinct from Negro Africa to the west, Nilotic Africa to the north, and Arab Africa to the far north.
The USSA will have the best agricultural, mineral, hydroelectric, natural resources of any country in the world plus oil. We will have the largest and finest game reserves and hunting reserves in the world with the big 5 plus gorillas. The game reserves will be expanded and joined up across the previous national boundaries. Commercial poachers will be shot on sight, but local communities will be allowed limited hunting facilities to hunt and benefit from game areas so it is in their interests to help preserve this heritage.
Probably another daydream, but who knows? Always something new out of Africa, never a dull moment, even when we are dodging bullets.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 13:05:55 (UTC)
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News flash just in They say they have got Saadam Hussien,
Joy at last.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 11:41:22 (UTC)
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Dear campers while perusing my Bush Babtist bible this morning I came upon a little prayer for frustrated ladies I thought I would share it with you'
A Woman's Prayer:
Dear Lord, I pray for:
Wisdom, To understand a man
to Love him, To forgive him and
patience for his moods because,
Lord, if I pray for Strength
I'll just beat him to bl--dy death.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 11:36:56 (UTC)
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Zimbabwe
We can do quite a lot to help and any amount of money, especially, goes a long long way.
People within Zim have to survive and continue to tell the sordid story to the world until the regime is overturned or implodes. People with lives and loves and families, hopes, dreams and despair.
One of the ex Lusaka Convent teachers is neck deep in helping out from Harare. She supports pensioners who cannot afford either to stay or go, the blind, aids orphans - the street kids, victims of torture and others. She marches with womens demonstrations protesting the price of food and lack of food and is no stranger to the Charge Office.
Few of us are rich but you only go round once and there will never be a more needy cause to dig deep for. (Of course many of the GNR are already doing just that!)
There are plenty of experienced savvy aid contacts at the Cathy Buckle African Tears site including one helping pensioners. They are experienced in avoiding pitfalls and making the money count. I have one route where every bit of my money goes to the specific groups of people it is intended to help (including the pensioners) at a good rate of exchange. So you can also contact me if you have funds to send and want to know what I did.
We can also let our opinions be heard by world governments and agencies. It is not pointless. Enough people rattling the right ears can force opinion and policy change. Already for the first time, following the recent Commonwealth CHOGM in Abuja, just a few of the African leaders are not firmly behind African unity at the cost of human rights. May the ranks of black Africans protesting the human rights violations continue to swell. Jay Jay Sibanda, President of Concerned Zimbabweans Abroad campaigns and leads protests in South Africa to educate people on the true universally evil nature of Mugabe's Zimbabwe. Yes it's an uphill battle but CZA's ranks are growing.
I try to write a protest letter protesting some human rights violation issue within Zim (there's no shortage of something new) at least once a week. It contains the email addresses of world leaders and world agencies. It also has media contacts who are urged to give the issue air time, or print space. I send it to my mailing list (some on this web site join in) and they individually send the letter from themselves to the email addresses on the letter. Email me if interested in joining in. We also campaign and brainstorm for ways to gain hearts and minds in our individual areas and gather funds.
I had to quit the last three weeks due to health issues with my husband but am gearing up again.
Londoners there are plenty of marches and vigils outside Zimbabwe house that can be swelled.
We can always talk about the difficulties and why bothers but - Imagine if every person on this site chose in some way to do something to help these issues with their time and money.
Thanks for listening to this. Sorry it's a bit long.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 08:52:24 (UTC)
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Chris Winton, Koos Knoetze, John Watkins, Alan McNab, Juliana Fernie
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 07:01:49 (UTC)
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Linda,
Sorry I made you cry! I hope I haven't deteriorated that badly! This video sounds like it is really something else, and what a lovely idea too.
Hartley - thanks for all the lovely photos, we really enjoyed them.
Jill and Otto
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 06:58:44 (UTC)
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Johnny - don't ack him up .....be careful , be very careful .....
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 02:31:41 (UTC)
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Sorry johnny.......... my typings' BU$£g ME up
P"£$$^^&&*ed again.
Neil.............. wish my U 11's could play as well.
If they Could, They'd be World Champs............. no question.!!!!!!
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 02:27:38 (UTC)
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WHAT IS OIL???????
The only thing that matterrs is the WORLD CUP........................... ENGLAND .................. JONNNY GREEN Pease ack me up ...........EEENNNGGGLLLAAANNNDDD
SORRY FOLKS>>>>>> BEEN TO A RUGBY DO TONITE
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 02:20:25 (UTC)
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I work for an asylum seekers support group, in South Donegal, and keep in touch with those who dont get deported, repatriated ect. I became very good friends with a primary school teacher from Matebeland, a bright, highly intelligent, astute guy called Patrick Tlou. He has done loads of anti racism workshops in national schools with me, and has now gotten his residency papers to stay in Ireland. He sent me a text message today, on his break from his job (the only one he could get, he applied for over one hundred) as a dishwasher in a hotel, this is the text he sent:
In my heart, it is raining for Zimbabwe,
A bitter rain of blood and tears,
Which will sow a grim harvest,
Of lost lives,
Of dreams turned to dust,
Into a desert of hopelessness.
In my heart, it is raining for Afrika.
I phoned him back and asked his permission to post his message on the GNR because I felt it represented what so many of us feel, the utter waste of a beautiful land and peoples, ruined by one man's egocentric, barbaric rule.
Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 02:09:57 (UTC)
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Anybody read any books written by Alexander McCall Smith? He was born in Southern Rhodesia and taught law at the Univeristy of Botswana.
My sister has just sent me two of his books - "Morality for Beautiful Girls" and "The Kalahari Typing School for Men." (UH!) They appear to be part of a series of The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency, featuring the agency's founder, Precious Ramotswe of Botswana. Ramotswe has been touted as the "Miss Marple of Botswana" by the New York Times Book Review. Looking forward to reading them.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 21:25:52 (UTC)
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Wishing all the GNR members happy holidays and best wishes for the upcoming new year. And a special hand to the GNR management team for a job well done!
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 20:38:45 (UTC)
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Doug ponders:
But this is just a daydream! Zimbabwe has no oil so is of no interest to the west. The wonderfull days of pax Brittania and gunboat diplomacy are gone. We will sit and continue to sit on our hands and look at the smouldering volcano next door, just as Chris sits and looks at Kiluea volcano and wonders when it is going to explode and cook him.
Quite right Doug, but I will say this, I would far rather take my chances with Kilauea, than the volcano under your nose and feet. Just wait until that volcano begins to stir seriously. Currently, you can still sweep the magma under the proverbial carpet (e.g. ignore the interference in SARFU), but when real wealth redistribution program begins, the rest of the world will also be sitting on their hands.
Sad, but true
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 18:36:36 (UTC)
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Chris
Apart from the activities you mention the Zim troops have been up in the Congo so they are used to killing people while our shower are only used to killing time.
Calling them battle hardened was probably far too complimentary.
Johnny
Practical steps that could be taken by the west would be to have warrants of arrest issued by the international court in Hague against Mugabe and his henchmen for crimes against humanity. Secondly to recognize the MDC as a government in exile based in Botswana and get all the leaders to Botswana. A contingent of British troops and police would have to be placed there to keep Mugs from attacking, and to train the future Zimbabwe army police force, and civil administration to replace the existing ones which are so rotten that they are incapable of being reformed. If the Allies had done this before invading Iraq they would not be in the mess that they find themselves now. A radio station should be set up in northern Botswana to beam in anti-Mugabe propaganda and call on all members of the present police and army and admin people to desert and escape to Botswana where after screening they could be recruited into the new forces. As for the whites they should also try to get out quick and join the democratic forces in whatever capacity they are fitted for.
Zimbabwe is like an over-ripe plum, ready for the harvesting. If our Fuhrer had any sense he would have marched in long ago and annexed it as the 10th province of RSA.
Any invading army will be met with open arms by the general populace, and Mugabes men will have their throats slit by their own juniors anxious to prove their loyalty to the new regime. Mugabe will be hauled through the streets of Harari hanging upside down behind a truck just like Mussolini.
But this is just a daydream! Zimbabwe has no oil so is of no interest to the west. The wonderfull days of pax Brittania and gunboat diplomacy are gone. We will sit and continue to sit on our hands and look at the smouldering volcano next door, just as Chris sits and looks at Kiluea volcano and wonders when it is going to explode and cook him.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 11:34:31 (UTC)
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Yes there is some thing we could do about it and I am sure the only thing stopping us is the indiscriminate slaughter of the remaining white population which would occur if we did, unless they were all congregated in one place it would be immpossible to protect them and that is also impossible.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 08:35:01 (UTC)
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Edmund Pfeffer, Wendy Nichols, Geogg Gogle, Annette Van der Walt
Best Wishes on your Birthday
CRAIG
We have a way here of making things possible - we lean over the counter, grab the person by the collar and they immediately agree that something is possible. Why don't you try that?
DOUG
The stories coming out of Zimbabwe get worse and worse - yesterday an 18 year old girl from Lusaka was refused entry into the country because she is an Australian national. Last week I was told of a pensioner who starved to death because her pension was now worth so little she could not afford to feed herself. A friend of mine in Mutare emailed me this morning about her experiences in delivering food to pensioners, both black and white. A while ago somebody asked if there was anything that could be done to help and perhaps this is something that could be considered.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 08:21:25 (UTC)
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Linda
I must reiterate what you say about the wonderful surprise Jacqui sent us...what wonderful healing muti ! hope you are feeling much stronger....
ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 03:38:11 (UTC)
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Doug writes:
Maybe Mbeki is scared Mugs will sent his battle hardened troops south if Mbeki gives him any cheek? Our new arty farty, pansified South African Defence force wouldn't stand a chance.
You have got to be joking Doug? Battle hardened troops? The only battles they engaged in was on soft targets - white defenseless farmers, and defensless Matabeles who were thrown down old mine shafts.
This was surely a tongue in cheek type of comment, I hope?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, December 13, 2003 at 02:02:06 (UTC)
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OH, MY!!!!
My husband has just today had Jacqui's video tape of the Livingstone Lark transferred over to the American format for me. WHAT A TREAT!! Sorry, I am shouting, but it made me feel so elated. I have had such a lovely surprise from it. Jilly, when you said hello to me on the video with that naughty chuckle of yours, it caught me so off guard that I started crying. It felt like I was jolling with you again. And you too, Doug Grewar. (UH! and futti Eeeeeh!) I feel almost as though I was there with you. I could smell the wors, the bush, the beer, etc. Kevin Shone, I see you! Heather and Grant, Des and Fi, Irene "Be Afred" LeRoux, Vivienne, Craig, the ever cuddly Artie, and That Chalcraft Woman keeping everything under control. Man, I feel about as homesick now as the day I left Africa in 1978! Thank you so very much, Jacqui, for going to the trouble of making the tape for Tina, Ali and myself. It was very thoughtful of you and I appreciate it more than you could ever imagine.
That old saying, "You can take the Kitwe girl out of the Africa, but you can NEVER take Africa out of the Kitwe girl" reigns forever!!
Tina:
I got an extra copy made. It will be on its way to you tomorrow. Enjoy!!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 23:44:37 (UTC)
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Craig
Wat is zis about learning single dutch? Are you trying to compete with Dave? All one needs to know in any language is how to ask for hot women and cold beer! Looking forward to your postings on Zim.
I don't want to pollute these pages talking about Mugabe, but I see that they are now wanting to put themselves deeper into the soup by breaking off relations with UK, Australia, Canada etc. Truly those whom the Gods wish to destroy , they make mad first.
Our own little mini mugs has rushed in to condemn Mugabe's continued suspension from the ridiculous "Commonwealth" saying he is speaking on behalf of the SADC (Southern African Development Community). Botswana has since stated that he is lying as he is not speaking on their behalf, as they support the suspension, and even the South Africans agreed to it at the Ajuba meeting.
I realy cannot understand Mbeki's reasoning. Why does he support Mugabe and his insane policies? Surely Mugs pleasure of harrassing 4500 white farmers and throwing them of their farms is not worth the misery and suffering caused to millions of his own black people?
Maybe Mbeki is scared Mugs will sent his battle hardened troops south if Mbeki gives him any cheek? Our new arty farty, pansified South African Defence force wouldn't stand a chance.
If anyone has anything to say on this rather send me an email so we don't pollute our board.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 20:12:58 (UTC)
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A brief hello
I am learning Dutch. I am learning that one of the favourite phrases in Holland is, "It is not possible." Because certain things are "not possible", I am not able to connect my notebook computer to the Internet here, something I had no problem doing in Zambia. Therefore, it is "not possible" for me to do things like activate new memberships or fix certain posts until I get back to Canada next week. (With respect to "certain posts", Linda, you can post in-line images as you tried to do, but Notepad must have put hard returns in the middle of your HTML, causing the problem. This has happened to others frequently in the past.) Also, if you are waiting for me to do something for you or for me to reply to an e-mail, it is "not possible" for me to do that before next week. Actually, it is possible, but I detest using Web-based e-mail -- anyway, I am supposed to be enjoying the sights and other pleasures of Amsterdam, and intend to continue doing so over the next few days.
Thank-you Linda and Johnny for your recent wishes. Sorry if I have missed others, but will spend some time when I get back to Canada catching up with the message board and writing about my trip. I already have a fair bit written, mostly about Zimbabwe though.
That's all from me for now. Dank u wel and tot ziens.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 17:18:22 (UTC)
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Hey Doug G well being way out in the Boondies Breyton when I was there last still had Party Lines for telephones. I dont think the P&T will have the money to expand. To have internet yet.
There is still the old lay by way of life there as u know ,thanks for going over there a meeting up with my folks. Hell I love to have been there with you guys just think of all catching up we could have had. Arthur a great guy hey. Did you get a chance to hear all the African lingo's he speaks.
Merry Xmas and a Happy New year not to much of that wet stuff Now all you GNR people.
Chris Drake
Canada.
Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 17:16:44 (UTC)
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Hi Folks:
Just in case anyone tries to be a dingbat like me and put a graphic with their Christmas greeting, I forgot that we can no longer include graphics, even if they work when you format it somewhere else and copy and paste. So... don't be a loser like me.... Don't try it!! (grin)
Hi Wilma:
Thanks for greeting. Hope you are enjoying your new home. Merry Christmas to you.
Johnny:
I heard of a lady like that once. I think she worked at the Pigalle in Kitwe.
Heather, Craig, Artie and Dawie:
All the best to all of you and thank you again for the amazing job you have done in keeping this website the way it is. Many old friends have found each other, and new friendships have been forged. It would never have been possible without your dedication.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 16:20:38 (UTC)
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I see Ali Watson's name mentioned.I last saw him in the cafe of the 20th Century Cinema 30+ years ago.Where are you Ali? And can you remember
Ekapannabudgiehaiteenbearsbasha abijaiga laksapannyek? I fail to forget it.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 15:44:15 (UTC)
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Dear Wilma it sounds as if you are moving to your chosen paradise, what a bonsala 400 pubs, I am still looking for a deaf and dumb nymphomaniac who owns a pub so if you come across one one your travels please let me know and I will pop over to try my luck Happy Xmas my dear Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 10:32:04 (UTC)
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What a bounty we have with the GNR, Heather and Hartley's photographs and all the gems of the people who who write in and make our day, to numerous to mention, it really is a brother and sisterhood and long may it continue and all possible because of our founder Dave, our mentor Craig and our two executives Arthur and Heather what would we do without them all? the world for me would be a dismal place, I would like to take this opportunity to thank them all for all the pleasure they have given us all in the past and may they long continue into the future, and can I wish them all, and all our members a very Happy Christmas and a peacefull and prosperous New Year. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 10:23:21 (UTC)
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Well Hello there all you gnr's
It is a lovely crisp cold day here in Holland, I was at work early so I decided to see what was on the site as I have been away for a week in Salzburg. Lots of Gluewine and christmas markets and work of course.
Dave M.
I was looking at your site today and it was really nice to see the Copper Queen Crown and Rose Bowl as my dad was the person that made them. It is really very nice when you see something like that when your dad is no longer with you. Thank you for the photo's
Well I am about to move to Maasrticht in the South of Holland. It is well known for its 400 pubs and resaurants also for the carnaval in February so that shoud be fun.
I will not get a chance to write again till January so we would like to wish you all a very happy christmas and a very merry new year.
Linda
Glad to see you up and about. It is amazing what GNR does for sick people. Have a healthy new year Linda
Bye for now Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 07:58:14 (UTC)
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Jacqui Coetzee, Philip Sweetman
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 07:04:02 (UTC)
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HEATHER thank you for the pictures of Woodlands School, the minute I saw the hall, such memories were evoked! Once upon a time, we had movie shows on Saturday nights in Woodlands Hall, we actually saw Ring of Bright Water there. The caretaker for years was a wonderful SouthAfrican called Eddy Erlank, he lived way out on a farm, and as a child I watched amazed as he took seven sugars in his tea. In the picture of the school buildings, the 3rd classroom along on the left hand side of the photo was the lair of Mrs Rybicki (aka Mrs Rabies), where she terrorised her pupils into passing the Secondary Selection. Through the gap in the buildings were the playing fields, are they still there? thanks again, Hartley, Heather et al, for making the effort to take pictures, post news ect, and keep us all in touch with "our inner Zambians!" Ciao, Megs
(TINA - one of the best holidays of my childhood was spent in Malawi, first at Grand Beach, then at Fish Eagle Hotel, what a life, I hope we appreciated it)
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 02:50:06 (UTC)
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A Message to all on the GNR
I am not receiving any of the photos recently posted on the Message board - so I will not try to send you a Christmas photo - just imagine me with a sprig of Chinese Holly [no prickles] and a sprig of Mistletoe in my hat as I head off to Sunny South Africa for the next few months.
I wish you all Good Health [Sun Tai Gin Hong] and a firm knowledge of What Life is All About.
LIFE
Life isn't about keeping score.
It's not about how many friends you have
Or how accepted you are.
Not about if you have plans this weekend or if you're alone.
It isn't about who you're dating, who you used to date, how many people
you've dated, or if you haven't been with anyone at all.
It isn't about who you have kissed,
It's not about sex.
It isn't about who your family is or how much money they have
Or what kind of car you drive.
Or where you are sent to school.
It's not about how beautiful or ugly you are.
Or what clothes you wear, what shoes you have on, or what kind of music
you listen to.
It's not about if your hair is blonde, red, black, or brown
Or if your skin is too light or too dark.
Not about what grades you get, how smart you are, how smart everybody
else thinks you are, or how smart standardized tests say you are.
It's not about what clubs you're in or how good you are at "your" sport.
It's not about representing your whole being on a piece of paper and
seeing who will "accept the written you."
LIFE JUST ISN'T.
But, life IS about who you love and who you hurt.
It's about who you make happy or unhappy purposefully.
It's about keeping or betraying trust.
It's about friendship, used as a sanctity or a weapon.
It's about what you say and mean, maybe hurtful, maybe heartening.
About starting rumors and contributing to petty gossip.
It's about what judgments you pass and why. And who your judgments are
spread to. It's about who you've ignored with full control and
intention.
It's about jealousy, fear, ignorance, and revenge.
It's about carrying inner hate and love, letting it grow, and spreading
it.
But most of all, IT IS about using your life to touch or poison other
people's hearts in such a way that could have never occurred alone.
Only you choose the way those hearts are affected, and those choices are
what life's all about.
Author unknown
High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high unsurpassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.
-- Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee
(No 412 squadron, RCAF,
Killed 11 December 1941)
[Biography]
Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr., was an American serving with the
Royal Canadian Air Force. He was born in Shanghai, China in 1922, the son of
missionary parents, Reverend and Mrs. John Gillespie Magee; his father was
an American and his mother was originally a British citizen.
He came to the U.S. in 1939 and earned a scholarship to Yale, but in
September 1940 he enlisted in the RCAF and was graduated as a pilot. He was
sent to England for combat duty in July 1941.
In August or September 1941, Pilot Officer Magee composed High Flight and
sent a copy to his parents. Several months later, on December 11, 1941 his
Spitfire collided with another plane over England and Magee, only 19 years
of age, crashed to his death.
His remains are buried in the churchyard cemetery at Scopwick, Lincolnshire
Veronica and I wish You All a Very Special Holiday Period with time to remember 'absent friends' and to enjoy those special gatherings of family and friends.
The GNR is a Very Special Place full of Very Special People.
Ron Clibborn-Dyer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hong Kong SAR, China
Friday, December 12, 2003 at 01:39:39 (UTC)
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Heather, Artie or Craig:
Really sorry my image messed up. It worked perfectly when it was done in notepad. Tested it several times before posting it. Can you delete the "junk". Sorry!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 20:16:46 (UTC)
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TO ALL MY FRIENDS, OLD AND NEW
A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 20:14:12 (UTC)
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Heather
Thanks for the photo off the Red locust control office. I will print it out and post it to Arthur Cullen. I am sure it will bring back some memories for him.
Glen was quite horrified to find they didn't have any internet cafes in Breyten. They have only just issued the traffic cops with boots so it's a little behind the times.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 19:46:21 (UTC)
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Hi to all who responded to my contacct on the Great North Road.
To Mary Jane Nortjie,
thanks for the e-mail, How could I forget you all .
Best wishes for Xmas 2003. like to hear from any other ex Lusaka friends you may have had contact from.
To Dave Heaton,
Good to hear from you, my brother Clive is in Pinetown Natal South Africa ( Harney "C" ) Doing well and passed on your message, please give send me your physical address.
To Ally Watson,
Where did you get the idea that I was in Sweden?
I have been in South Africa since the late 70's. James Warner is in the U.K. Tommy Doran in Spain. I would like to hear more from you.
To Carla and Anna Marie,
Thanks for the e-mail time has flown from the good old days in Lusaka. Where are you girls now?
Look after yorself and keep well
Bruce.
to all my friends:-
Have the best 2004 and every thing you wish for yourself may come to be.
Thinking of all of you,
Bruce
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 19:37:55 (UTC)
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JOHNNY GREEN
Yes, Abercorn is now Mbala. The DC's house was probably overlooking Lake Chila. I did not manage to get to Lake Chila - perhaps on my next visit.
JOHN EVANS/DAVID SWAN
Below are some photos of Woodlands, taken 'inside the gate'. The perimeter walls were built only about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe one of these days I'll find some time to take more photos including inside the hall and some of the classrooms and inside the Principal's office.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 08:59:15 (UTC)
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Megsie
I wonder if other girls can relate to these stories?
Your words remind me of a line that hangs in my mind from the far off mushed together growing up years of 11 through 13,14. I used to be taken for older in those fatal years. Once I was visiting a girl on a farm and met her cute older brother. She and I got our giggling heads together and she asked him about me. The resultant line was: "I'd ask her out but she's eleventeen."
Then there was a similar time at NEARLY or was it only just 13 on holiday at Lake Malawi when over table tennis I told a debonair (probably spotty) lad of 16 also on school holidays that I was older. Alas, that friendship too was doomed. How did I know my mother and his mother would decide to become best friends and they would be chattering like magpies by tea time the same day?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 06:25:51 (UTC)
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WHOOPS! I know what sticklers some of you are for accuracy, and the year I visited St. Stephens College was l974, and I was eleven, (but looked thirteen, I thought). Cheers, Meg
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 01:20:57 (UTC)
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HARTLEY fantastic pictures, there was not a wall around woodlands school all the time we were there, and it was lovely to see the Convent grounds still looking well kept and quite lush. I did go back to the convent when I was in Lusaka in l990, your photos evoked lots of memories, (all good) with a place that I spent so much of my young life in! I remember the buses taking my brothers back to St. Georges and St. Stephens, one brother wanting desparately to go back, and the other dreading it. I must admit that I rather enjoyed my one trip to St. Stephens in l976 for prizeday. Mom and I were returning from SA and hired a car and drove from Salisbury to Balla Balla listening to the radio giving warnings about dangerous routes ect, we seemed quite oblivious to the danger, more interested in the scenery. I remember Balla Balla being a tiny, dusty town with a small, hot, hotel with Gideon Bibles everywhere, and a braying donkey tied up outside. When we arrived at the school, I suddenly discovered how a bottle of water might feel if it was the last one at a picnic in the Sahara, I was the only girl for about 200 miles, and at only l3, it was an alarming if flattering experience to walk beside the buildings on our grand tour and see about 500 boys heads watching my every move! My brother was mortified and told everyone that I was eleven! Thank you again for the wonderful photos and the way that they were compiled, i cant wait to show my mom. Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 01:10:33 (UTC)
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It is with sadness and regret that I have to advise of the death last Sunday in Perth (WA) of Jim Mawer of ex Copperbelt fame, and originally from Scotland.
I knew him at Nchanga - he was at the Concentrator, while I was on the Leach Plant in the late 1960's.
Perhaps some of you ex-Kitwe people remember Jim, too, such as at R & D Kantanta Street.
Bob Allan
Melbourne
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 00:37:37 (UTC)
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TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE GNR FAMILY!!!!
ON BEHALF OF NATASHA, SCOTT & I ....... MAY WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY OF WISHING ONE & ALL A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY HEALTHY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.
I APOLOGISE IF I HAVE NOT SENT OR E. MAILED CARDS TO EVERYONE BUT PERSONAL COMITTMENTS HAVE KEPT ME OTHERWISE OCCUPIED OF LATE.
HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
Love & best wishes
Gary (Brasso), Natasha & Scott
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 22:46:17 (UTC)
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Heather is Mbala now what was Abercorn? as the building looks like the DCs house in the 50s it had a big lake in front of it is it the one? I must have missed what was asked before for you to take the pic> Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 20:28:56 (UTC)
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Hello,
I don't remember the walls around Woodlands School either. I stayed in Impala Road down one of the sides of the playing fields and there was definitely a wire fence down that end. Hartley's photo of the service station, I think, was almost directly infront of the main entrance. A dirt road with sleeping policemen and dust devils ran parallel with the main road along that side.
A few days ago someone mentioned playing marbles.
Two marbles games i remember playing were "Kilo" , where a circle (the kilo) was drawn in the dirt and two or three players stood about ten or fifteen yards away and tried to get into the kilo and only then could you start to attack the other players marbles. The other one was at LBS down by the fence, where a shooting gallery was set up. A boy would set up a little pyramid of marbles, 3 as the base and 1 balanced on top and from behind a line about five or six yards away you would take your shots at the pyramid.If you missed, your marble would end up in the pocket of the pyramid boy...... aaahh what fun .
David Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bute, Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 19:51:33 (UTC)
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Hartley
Your thoughtfulness in taking all the Lusaka Convent pictures is so appreciated. It really brings it back and I was one who rather enjoyed my incarceration there. Who couldn't find a soft spot for nuns who threw you an O'level cheese and wine party and let boyfriends visit on the occasional Sunday afternoon.
The nuns were also thoughtful enough to have a flat roof outside the second floor dormitory windows in the "new" hostel and an easily scaleable breeze block wall from there down to the ground. Consequently many girls have fond memories of walking off the grounds e.g. to the Woodlands sweet shop for sweets or ciggies in the evenings.
I'm sure that is how a classmate who shall remain nameless managed to get insanely sick after deciding to chain smoke a pack when we were gathered in the head girl's room one time. She recovered by er purging the concentrated nicotene out of her system. How on EARTH did we get away with that stunt?? It must have smelt like a bonfire in there.
I look at the front entrance with the big cross. The verandah walls to the right were where we would hop up and sit, back to the wall, feet stretched out ahead of us, when we were let loose to study between O'levels. The older one storey building still stretches to the left a little further back. I recall a couple of times when various okes filled with bravado sneaked across the lawn to crouch under the walls and talk to a couple of girls in the room above while class was going on.
When Kariba was settling and we had those earth tremors my class was actually talking about earth quakes with Sister Catherine when the first rumbly tremor hit. We all started laughing at the coincidence, albeit with a tiny background sense of nervousness and in great good humour she swiftly filed us outside the door and down off the verandah.
The Protea Lodge pix give a real sense of being there with the lovely animal shots. In fact Hartley and Sue, lovely pictures thanks for all pictures and memories.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 18:53:36 (UTC)
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John Evans
I suppose I could say 'you were shorter when you were at Woodlands' but that wouldn't be the truth. I am sure that there was only a fence around all the schools, I don't remember the walls. I drove down the road beside Woodlands School looking for an opening; the wall stretches all the way down.
Heather
I know lots of people claim they have put crocs into the Ridgeway pool but the two I referred to 'I know because I was there'. There were lots of other stories of things being put into the pool that turned it purple, created bubbles etc but what truth is in them who knows. I realise that the crocs must be 'changed' every so often or else the Holiday Inn customers would start going missing. The other reason was that my brother in law stayed there about 5 years ago and he said there was nothing in the pool.
Linda
Glad you are enjoying the photos, get well soon.
Chris
I will certainly pass on your wife's regards to Janet when I see her later this month.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 17:02:29 (UTC)
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Alan Pringle, Barry Hall, Robert Lamb
Best Wishes on your Birthday
CRAIG HARTNETT
At last - I saw it and I had my camera with me:
DOUG GREWAR
Herewith a photo of the IRLCO HQ in Mbala to which you referred a few days ago. This was taken in 2001. The building seems now to be used for accommodation.
CHRIS TAMM
In the last three years, I have met five different people, all of whom claim to have been responsible for the crocs in the pond at the Ridgeway. They are all people known around here for the bull that they talk, so I am very happy that you have confirmed my opinion of them.
HARTLEY HEATON
The crocs at the Ridgeway are changed regularly - once they get to a certain size, they are removed (to the croc farm I think) and replaced with smaller ones.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 14:38:15 (UTC)
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Hartley
Lump in the throat time!
Thanks for the time and effort for putting together the record of your return.
I was ex-Woodlands.... I don't remember the walls being that tall!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 14:14:57 (UTC)
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Bridget Billany:
I lost touch with Guy Hodder when I left Zambia in 1975. I did see a reference to his mum, Joan Hodder, on the Mufulira site about a year ago. She used to be a nurse at the hospital - I can remember getting injections from her.
Paudie Coughlan:
I was in contact with Ian Kyle last week - he's seen the photos. It used to take 24 hours on those buses to get to the school. All the schools that used them organized their term dates around their availability. The pictures were taken in the carpark of the Edinburgh Hotel in Kitwe.
Dave McConnachie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 12:48:33 (UTC)
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Dave McConnachie
Some of the photos from your link under "event" Mufulira brought back some good memories. The last photo on the first page entitled "Alan Kyle, Dave and Ian Kyle about to go on the bus to St Stephens" shows one of those black and white "school buses" that all of us who went to Rhodesian boarding schools in the late 60's / early 70's would remember so well. Ian Kyle would be amused to see the photo of himself at approx 17 years old in his St Stephens uniform!
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 11:07:16 (UTC)
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Hey Dave McConnachie,
Are you still in touch with Guy Hodder? I lost touch with him, then reconnected about 10 years ago but sadly haven't been able to get hold of him for the last few years. The last time I actually saw him was in 1983 and he looked no different to the photos you have of him camping at the dam 12 years earlier!
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 10:22:29 (UTC)
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Hartley:
You surely are a tonic for recovery! I am forcing myself to come to the computer so that I can view a few more of the amazing photos you have put together. Can't do it all at once, but it gives me motivation to get up and walk. Thanks.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 05:14:02 (UTC)
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Lesley Billany:
I've gone back to the original video clip and extracted the best frame of the lady crossing the road. It is still not very clear, but it is a little better than the one you could get from the clips that I posted. You can find the photo at: www.themcconnachies.com
I've a number of photos on the site. If you select 'Mufulira' from the 'Event' list, the extracted frame is the last one on the last page. The other photos are mainly of people, but there are a couple of photos of the mine. There's even one photo showing the back of Norman Kenward's head.
Dave McConnachie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 04:49:05 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Sheesh, any moment now I'll be accused of hogging this space.
Lady Fayre - some other names
Linda
Vicky
Joan Rademeyer (Married to Ben)
Jill (Pommy lady with a Dalmation)
Joanne (Married to Casper)
TTFN
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 01:05:17 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Make that Mills, not Miller
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 00:46:34 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Good info, thank you.
Barbara indeed remembers Janet. She worked there from 1968 until we left the country in January 1970. Please remember Barbara to Janet when you see her. Lady Fayre - how could we have forgotton the name? The shop was then owned by Mr and Mrs Miller, whose daughter Joanne was also a stylist there.
Cheers, and thanks again for the excellent photos
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 00:43:15 (UTC)
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Chris
The photos were taken with two different cameras. I have a 3.2mp Cannon digital SLR for which I have a number of lenses, the biggest being a Sigma 50-500. The other is a 5mp Sony that I picked up at Heathrow on my way out to Zambia. All the photos were then reduced in size.
The Ridgway Hotel is so like it used to be that I was taken back in time. I know of two other crocs that were put into the pond, one that was caught on a line in the Zambezi at the Kafue confluence the other that was liberated from Munda Wanga. I don't suspect that the current inhabitants are the actual ones; could you imagine what size they would be after 20 plus years?
The Hair Stylist above the Green Parrot was, and still is, called Ladye Fayre. Janet Dennet (nee Stephens) who I will see later this month in Joburg also worked there. Did your wife know her?
Doug, Fiona
Sorry about the photos, too many of us old timers to fix. They say the camera never lies but I am sure that it does. I expect to hear from Beth in the near future as well. One advantage of taking photos is that I don't appear in many.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 23:02:36 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Thanks also for the great photos of the (old) Ridgeway fish pond. I am curious to note how they have now made it to look like some sort of wodlife refuge, or at least a croc refuge.
In the late 60's that pond was just a pond, with a bunch of Koi etc. swimming around. There were a few large rocks/boulders here and there, just above the surface, with some sort of water fountains. One day, my friend and I had returned from a trip to Livingstone, where we had purchased a baby croc. That same baby croc was then surreptitiosly launched in that same Ridgeway fish pond. I guess it was not long before the management noticed that the fish population was decreasing - and then the croc was discovered sunbathing on one of those rocky boulder fountain thingies.
One wonders if one of those crocs in your 2003 photos was the same one we launched there all those years ago? Perhaps not, but perhaps we planted a seed for future development of the fish pond?
Should I be looking out for a royalty payment? (US Dollars only please)
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 21:52:32 (UTC)
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HARTLEY
Very good website and great photos. A little airbrushing would be kind though! Does wonders for the resolve to go on diet, have plastic surgery etc. You've lived up to you your reputation as the Official Photographer. Congratulations.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 21:44:49 (UTC)
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Sue and Hartley,
I have only just looked through part of your story about your return visit to Zambia, but I can already say it is magnificent. I am going to have to save this. This is the strawberry on top of the cream!
Tell me, if I bribe you with a bottle of Oudemeester you couldn't do a bit of digital cosmetic surgery and remove my double chin? :-)
Best Regards - Doug & Frans
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 20:26:27 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Nice job there my mate. Well organised, and great pictures.
One of your photos (Longacres, Lusaka) brought back a bunch of memories. On the ground floor on the right end, used to be The Green Parrot - a sort of 60's version of a convenience store (7/11 'ish). Above the Green Parrot was a hair styling salon where my wife Barbara used to work.
Was that a digital camera you used? How many mega pixels?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 19:28:04 (UTC)
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Chandru, In response to 'where was I' in 1964, I actually attended the Independance Ceremony at Matero Stadium when I was 15. I remember KK (the Kapenta Kid) being driven into the stadium in the huge black Govt car with copper plated bumpers with the Eagle number plate,and the white hanky, used for decadesafterwards for crying for "donation". I also remember the new Zambian Flag being raised in the light and the Union Jack being lowered in the dark, maybe that was an omen for the future. As we know it was all downhill from there.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 16:28:52 (UTC)
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Diana what a beautiful xmas present I will wet the babies head this evening, I liked this so will share it with you apologies to all the blondies I understand you can't help it, Johnny.
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Norman and his wife live in Calgary. One winter morning while
> listening to the radio, they hear the announcer say, "We are going to
> have 8 to 10 centimeters of snow today. You must park your car on the
> even numbered side of the street, so the snowplow can get through."
>
> Norman's wife goes out and moves her car. A week later while they are
> eating breakfast, the radio announcer says, "We are expecting 10 to 12
> centimeters of snow today. You must park your car on the odd numbered
> side of the street, so the snowplow can get through."
>
> Norman's wife goes out and moves her car again. The next week they are
> having breakfast again, when the radio announcer says "We are
> expecting 12 to 14 centimeters of snow today. You must
> park..........." then the electric power goes out.
>
> Norman's wife is very upset, and with a worried look on her face she
> says, "Honey, I don't know what to do." Which side of the street do I need to park on so the snowplow can get through?
>
> With the love and understanding in his voice like all of us men who are married to Blondes exhibit, Norman says, "Why don't you just leave it in the garage this time?"
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 15:57:29 (UTC)
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Hartley
Your photos were well worth waiting for!
Arthur
Phew! I thought you had abandoned us! Welcome back - we did miss you!
To the one with Kafue water in her veins - good to see you back on your feet!
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 13:02:19 (UTC)
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Hi All Northern Rhodesians/Zambians/Zimbabwians,
I will not be near a computer for the next 4 weeks, as I will be down at the coast, Port Elizabeth, were there is going to be a wonderful family get together.
I want to send a short note to wish all of you and all your loved ones a Peaceful, Safe and Blessed Season.
Thank you for all your reminiscences, stories and banter over this year, and looking (reading) even more next year.
Be Well
Madeleine
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 12:57:14 (UTC)
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Thanks for the birthday wish. I would also like to wish my sister Lorraine Forbes a happy birthday today as well. The best birthday present I got today was my granddaughter who was born at 12.45 this afternoon.
Thank you Claire and James for the gorgeous gift.
Cheers
Diana
Diana Fabel (née Jones) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kempton Park, South Africa
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 12:53:24 (UTC)
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Hi all
I know it's now over two months since we were all in Livingstone and I have
only just got around to sorting out the photos that I took. It is amazing how
earning a living interferes with all good intentions. As it is just over two
weeks until we will be back in Africa I thought I had better pull my finger out.
I have put together this which covers Our
Return To Zambia, I hope that you enjoy it as much as we enjoyed our time
there.
I apologise in advance for any mistakes, I hope there aren't too many. The
photos are all 640 x 480 which I trust will not cause too many problems on a
dialup link.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 09:51:52 (UTC)
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Heather your mother is a wise lady you should listen to her, I allowed my son to roam and swim where ever he wanted the result a shocking case of Bilharzia resulting in a kidney transplant in later life wise up Johnny.x
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 09:20:02 (UTC)
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Barry Winterburn, Sandra Hooper, Diana Fabel, Stewart Watt
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Meg Rybicki
The farm which KK requisitioned borders on my parents' farm. The strange thing is that in all those years, we only went to the Monkey Rope Pool once. I reckon I had a deprived childhood.Or perhaps it was because my mother was paranoid about things like bilharzia - she still is. And keeps questioning my wisdom in allowing my daughter to swim in rivers and dams around the country.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 05:49:57 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY SMILER HOOPER!!!
Wishing you the best birthday ever. Don't get too drunk and remember all the good times we had propping up the bar at KPF. You are a super star and the best friend anyone could be lucky enough to have through life.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, December 09, 2003 at 03:24:11 (UTC)
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CHANDRA - what a fantastic memory you have, thank you for the flashbacks you have given me! Lusaka Convent in l977 onwards was not the gentle, benign place of learning that some of the old girls remember from the 60's, it had become quite militant, and the nuns, bless 'em, decided that we should learn how to march, so it was decreed that we would miss Wednesday's swimming lesson, and march around the athletics track being roared at by a representative of the Zambian Army. My compadres and I were shell shocked by this torture, (all ministers daughters, Cheswa Kaunda, and co all mysteriously developed asthma from "the dust", and were excused from the misery of 2 and a half hours of marching). Events came to a head when the army guy slapped a girl, (she was Portuguese, dont remember her name), and we told the nuns in confidence that we had to lift our legs very high, and thought that the instructor was peering at our undergarments. This falsehood thankfully put an end to the torture, and it was back to swimming. Does anybody remember a small river out on the Leopards Hill Road that led into a series of plunge pools, and a tiny waterfall with a rope dangling over it. We used to call it Monkey Rope Pool, and go there quite often. KK requesitioned a farm on the approach road to the river, but mom used to bribe the guards to let us pass with Beano comics and Guards ciggies. We spent some idylic afternoons there swinging out really high over the rock pool, then plunging in. I so wish my children could enjoy some of the freedom I had as a child. I cannot let them go off down the road for instance as cars and 4 by 4s scream along our tiny, narrow laneway, and there are no verges. At least we have a few acres for them to play with the dogs in, but an extremely fast flowing river at the bottom of the field means that I can never relax without checking on them every few minutes! My mom used to send me off into the bush at the side of our house and just say, be careful of snakes now! Thanks again Chandra, you took me back to those hot, dusty, long ago days. ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 23:20:28 (UTC)
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Well another contact has been made thanks to the GNR. I asked if anyone recalled Arthur & Stella Cullen the Uncle and Aunt of Glen and Chris Drake.
So far I have had one bite from Kevin Shone. Kevin's Dad was pals with Arthur while they were both in Kasama in the 50's. Arthur was delighted to hear about his old friend.
He is a real old Northern Rhodesian and has a host of interesting stories to tell about the place, especially the Kasama area. Apparently they used to have their supplies flown in weekly from Kenya in those days. This probably has something to do with the fact that the H/Q for the East African Red Locust control was in Abercorn just up the road. He also tells of some ancient 8 foot high iron kilns that he found in the bush where centuries ago laterite gravel was smelted for iron. Then stories of Kalambo falls which he says are the second highest in the world. I could happily spend a week listening to such stories. I asked him if he knew Roy Williams but he could not recall. Roy if you read this please email me your current email address.
Small world.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 19:36:13 (UTC)
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Nice to see that the girls are keeping abreast of rugby fashions in the pic by Glen Drake, anyone notice the guy with the beer?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 16:03:19 (UTC)
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Chandru ....
I enjoyed your "where was I ?.....its memories like yours that make the GNR...thanks...
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 15:14:54 (UTC)
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CHOGM
Well Zimbabwe doesn't want to be a member of the Commonwealth......GOOD RIDDANCE!
Perhaps Mr Mugabe wants to start a new organisation for despots with Swiss bank accounts the size of the economy of a small country!
Poor Zimbabwe....
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 13:41:57 (UTC)
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CRAIG HARTNETT
If you by chance happen to log into the message board, please can you either phone me urgently or check your email - I have a message for you that is urgent.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 06:05:34 (UTC)
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Looking out the window at the aftermath of the first snow storm of the season and with frigid temperatures outside, I decided to spend some time indoors browsing the GNR archives and saw Philip’s inquiry as to where we were on Independence Day, 1964. Well I was a year old and actually in Nigeria, so I do not remember that, but I do remember some of the festivities surrounding Oct. 24, 1974.
“Hai, hai, hai, hai, left, right, left, right” shouted the instructor as he marched us along the soccer field. It was early 1974 and we had been told at school to prepare for a march past in Independence Stadium as part of the festivities surrounding I-Day. A major occasion for the country as it marked 10 years of Independence. One of the teachers who had served in the military had been assigned to train us to march and we were told to assemble on the soccer field.
The first day was spent coordinating our arms and legs while marching i.e. extending left leg and right arm simultaneously, then vice versa. It took us a whole day to master the technique. Then days and days of learning to march in a synchronized manner with our fellow students in columns and rows followed. After we had gotten a hold of that, we moved to more advanced steps such as turning marching columns (inside column taking smaller steps, outside larger ones). “Eyes left, eyes right, hai, hai, hai, halt, right turn, as you wah (were),” shouted the instructor as he brought us to a halt and addressed us on our marching deficiencies. And so it continued for month after month. When October rolled around, we were in peak physical form and we had become a lean, mean, marching machine.
Boarding buses at school we headed to Independence Stadium and disembarked outside. Many schools were represented here. We assembled into our marching formations and at the appointed time began marching into the stadium. I was totally focused on my marching (I think I led one of the columns) and do not remember much else, but there was the cheering and maybe music as well, as we marched around the stadium track. Then we exited and were given lunch, a typical school lunch of a hunk of bread sawn off from a loaf, along with a soft drink or a small tetrapak of milk. We went back and seated ourselves on the stadium stands.
We sat there munching our bread, in fact these days, when scratching my head trying to choose among the dozens of of bread varieties in the shops here, that bread seemed so simple, yet tasted so good. Then sipping our drinks we watched the rest of the show unfold. Now the organizers had picked up a choreographic act from I think the Chinese Communists or North Koreans. On one entire side of the stadium were seated students with a placard book held against their chests, with each page being a different color. The idea was somewhat akin to the thousands of pixels on a television screen, each being a specific color with the overall objective of producing a picture on the screen. At a given signal the students turned the first page and Voila! A scene unfolded across the side of the stadium of “10 years of Independence” bordered with flowers (the exact scenes are lost in memory but it was somewhat along those lines). Another page was turned and Presto! It was the Great Leader waving to the adoring masses. Then another page and Pronto! The Zambezi and water thundering down Victoria Falls! The crowds went wild and cheered. My school mates chests swelled in pride. I sat there enjoying everything until the chap sitting in front of me turned around and looking at me closely said “When I become President I will expel all the foreigners from Zambia because they are milking the country dry” “Expel them” “Expel them” chorused some of the others. No doubt he was recalling the expulsion of Asians from Uganda by Idi Amin a couple of years previously (Idi Amin Dada, dictator of Uganda and self styled King of Scotland, Conqueror of the British Empire, Field Marshal of Uganda, etc, etc, etc, see links for pics
http://www.wehaitians.com/idi%20amin%20dada%20a%20sadistic%20dictator.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/0,16641,1101770307,00.html
After glaring at them I regained my composure and watched the rest of the show. A bunch of immature kids was not going to spoil my day. The show ended and we clambered down the stands and exited the stadium. By then it was one of those cool, beautiful, evenings, the sun was setting as we boarded our buses and headed back to school and home. It was a truly memorable day.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Monday, December 08, 2003 at 04:06:18 (UTC)
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Johnny:
Same situation with me. My response bounced back.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 20:54:50 (UTC)
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Johnny
Your email test - Got the test mail but reply to you bounced.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 19:10:57 (UTC)
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Dave McConnachie
Thanks for the vid clip of Mufulira - brought back some great memories of driving around the old place. Look forward to seeing the "more to come".
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 15:00:37 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur,
Great to see you back.
Jo,
Like the montage. I think it's brilliant and would like to see it at a larger size. Pleased that you included one of my photos
Bart Weeting,
Glad to see you have joined the GNR. If you could give me your email address I will forward it to Tony.
I know he will want to get in touch.
Regard, Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 11:21:43 (UTC)
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Lesley Billany:
I can freeze the clip at the point it shows the lady in the striped dress, the girl with her and the woman next to her. Does your player have a pause symbol on it? Try that. I also then minimized it so that the picture is smaller and actually a little clearer. I was looking to see if I could save just that frame but it does not look possible. Good luck.
Artie:
Good to see you back and full of life.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 01:31:07 (UTC)
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What I found surprising about Dave's Mufulira video clip was the amount of parked cars and traffic especially near the banks. When I last visited there about 2 years ago there were very few cars, but this clip reminds us of what a busy place Muf used to be.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 18:32:40 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt..
I dont believe it was either Tina or Linda looking for Joan Lauderdale, but I perhaps they may also have known her.
It was me that was enquiring about the Lauderdale girls from Mufulira, thanks for the link I will look it up..We are ex-Bulawayo Convent girls from the Copperbelt, I shall pass this on to 4 other GNR contacts, who also knew them..
Thanks
June.
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 18:23:04 (UTC)
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I would like to hear from anyone who was with the N.R.G aand Zambia Information Department up to June 1968. If you are out there please get in touch.
Paul Ferguson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leintwardine Herefordshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 17:09:14 (UTC)
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Dave - your cine clip of Mufulira circa 1964 is fascinating and very frustrating. Towards the end there are two women waiting to cross the road. One is wearing a brown and white striped dress and it looks as though she is holding a small girl by the hand. She looks remarkably like my mother, who I seem to recall had a very similar dress and my sister would have been about six at the time. Unfortunately it is such a quick glimpse that it is not possible to clearly identify them.
I have watched the clip several times, trying to identify various buildings. Didn't it all look so clean, modern, sophisticated? I find it strange to think that the country I grew up in and thought was such a smart, up-to-date place is now a 'developing' country in the 'third world'.
Talking about the third world....if I had to choose being ill in Mufulira hospital THEN and a British hospital NOW....I know which I would prefer. On which note I wish Linda all the best and hope she is up and fighting soon.
Lesley.
Lesley Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Horsham, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 15:34:48 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur - WELCOME BACK! Glad you're home safe and sound. You were missed...
Thanks for the fabulous photos everyone - 'specially Des. Lovely to see Viv looking just the same!
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 14:54:11 (UTC)
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Arthur...
I have a high speed internet connection and the movie clip was pretty good looking at high resolution and played at proper speed with no stopping.
Medium resolution was not very good - did not try low resolution.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 09:43:02 (UTC)
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Northerners!
Back for a very short while with the GNR, and I noticed nobody missed me anyway.
I will be back later this month when I have an important announcement to make.
I hope you all have paid a visit to Peter Bennett's webpage. There are lots more of his brilliant photos to be seen here.
Linda
Hope you are feeling a lot better, seems these days you're lucky if you able to get out of a hospital once they've got you in.
Anyway hope your tummy tuck was sucessful.
Arthur
Arthur,
I managed to get some old 8mm cinefilm copied to video. I extracted some and have put it on this page
Can I have your comments please. Is this something worth letting people see? Is there a better way of getting it on the web? Were you able to view the clips?
I've converted 200ft of film, but there was very little that was non-family related. I have about another 1000ft that still has to be viewed and converted. There may be some of Wankie, Kariba etc.
I haven't given the link to anyone else, but you can share it with others to get their comments.
Thanks,
Dave McConnachie
Dave -- Thanks for sharing this very interesting project with us all. I found it well worthwhile and I look forward to seeing a lot more. Rather than just sending my comments I thought it better that the GNR Members take a look and let us all know what they think as well. I was able to view the clips easily enough and preferred the medium resolution version. We may sometime in the future add movies as a feature of the GNR. Arthur
This message was passed on to me by Craig, I'm sure it will interest many of you lucky enough to have travelled on the Union Castle Line.
"I was an Assistant Purser with Union-Castle back in the 60s and met many people going to and from the Rhodesians and South Africa.
I have recently been emailing a fellow old boy from a UK school who used our ships to and from Ndola. He suggested I write to give you a link to my website where I have recorded my memories of Life at Sea back then, plus many photographs. Maybe it would be of interest to your readers who sailed to and from Africa with us.
The link to the site is here
Please use this link and information as you feel appropriate".
Regards,
Rodney Gascoyne in Toronto.
Rodney - Craig has put your website on our permanent LINKS page.
Thanks very much for sending this in - I spent a nostalgic hour reading through your narrative and it certainly brought back many happy memories for me from when I travelled on some of these very same ships -- Arthur
I read earlier that some of the submitted photos are being used for wallpapers/backgrounds.
That gave me an idea and I hope I have not done the wrong thing. I took a few photos and made a wallpaper. If anyone has any objections to what I have done, please let me know and I will destroy it. On the other hand, if anyone would like to use it as a wallpaper/background, please let me know and I will upload it to a website at both 800 x 600 and 1024 x 7687 resolutions whichever is preferred.
Regards,
Jo,
Jo Sloan (née Hill)
Jo
You have not done the wrong thing at all! I like it very much and I am sure there will be quite a few members agreeing with me on that. Thank you for this I will be in touch shortly - Arthur.
From Des Kenny, together with a silent running commentary.
Are these scans of my Zambian Driving Licence of any interest for the memorabilia page? If yes - no rude comments about the hairstyle of that era or the Viva Zapatta moustache!
BTW Jomo Kenyatta Avenue was previously Jameson Ave having been renamed under the Zambianisation programme.
Richard Cain
Doubt if this will make an appearance on GNR - one could argue whether or not it was in good taste . . . . . . . the beer, that is !
Glen Drake
Tina Magee or Linda Dore
Either of you two girls was asking after the Lauderdales
If you go to the Mufulira link message page there is a posting from Joan Lauderdale asking if anyone remembers her.
Good Hunting!!!
regards
Bill Hunt
I found a photograph of Marymount College, just about the best school there ever was, and the best time of my life. I am hoping you can use it on the site - it may bring back lovely memories for others, as it has done for me.
Kathy
Kathy Watson (nee Dyer).
Vic Falls Station
Vic Falls Hotel and Livingstone Airport
Bob Allen
Bob et al,
Apologies for taking so long to get all your photos onto the GNR
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 08:15:37 (UTC)
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Linda
Glad to hear you are getting better.
I must agree with Bill about the Quacks. When they saw you coming they thought, "Well I have paid off my private jet, so this will be the downpayment on my cabin cruiser in the Bahamas!"
Oh and Bill, I love your variation of the Afrikaans saying!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 07:23:54 (UTC)
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Linda D.
Pleased to hear u are out of hospital. Sorry to note that U had such a hard time. Kids & I send U lots of kisses & hugs and hope it's not too long before U are back to your usual self.
Love & kisses
Gary, Natasha & Scott
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 23:45:13 (UTC)
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Northeners....
Take a peek at this e-bay item:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3571068624&category=12573
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 23:24:06 (UTC)
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Hi Lindy Loo
Sorry you've been through such a lousy time. I hope by the time you read this you'll be feeling better. Take care my friend. Can't wait to hear you're back to your old self again
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 22:08:01 (UTC)
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Dear Linda Dore,
Thats what happens when you let guys in.... they could have at least stayed for brekkies the next day, eh. Bim bam, open your wallet ma'am
Buggar.
At least you can now claim unlimited neat stuff from the loved one. Its amazing how long these things can linger.
Stay sane and , as they say in Serf Africa, allahs rectum,
Craig.... back in lotusland??
madness, mate.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 20:34:52 (UTC)
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Ian Coetzee, Please contact me if possible regarding the availablilty of the house at Itezi Tezhi. I am taking my nephew Dennis fishing after Christmas to New Year after getting my boat up and running. As some of you know my boat was totalled after a Leyland truck last licenced and insured in 1992 rammed it up against a guardhouse at Ace Auto two years back.....a fine Christmas present. Not to say justice has prevailed, I still await a day in court some two years to the day later. May the Force prevail.
David Norris......if you are out there I need a line or two.
Chris Swart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 16:48:13 (UTC)
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Sorry to here about your extra's, but as you say any one who has had Kafue water over there livers is pretty strong
another big Hug for you to add to those you have had allready and get strong soon The Bwana Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 08:34:15 (UTC)
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Hartley Heaton, Debra Ware, Geoff Rawlinson, Deborah Lyon-Cummings
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 06:18:31 (UTC)
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Linda
GENTLE BUT HEARTFELT HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 05:14:42 (UTC)
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LINDA..GET WELL SOON....!!!!!.........lots of African and dare I say ..Aussie HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGS
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 03:58:34 (UTC)
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Swamp thing rises... barely
Just a very brief msg to thank those who checked on me. I ended up having 5 surgeries at the same time (2 unexpected) and the total lack of care in the hospital almost brought me to my knees. I will spare all the details. Suffice is to say that I have Kafue water in my veins and they were not able to put me under. Recovering very slowly and not enough strength to read back through the GNR yet. Just needed an African hug...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, December 05, 2003 at 00:26:56 (UTC)
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Bwana Sweety
Glad to hear you returned safely from the land of Bamba Zonke! What kind of a Bwana are you now?
We wait with great anticipation to hear your stories.
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Thursday, December 04, 2003 at 16:12:50 (UTC)
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WARNING: This posting contains Zanglish
It seems just a few days ago that I picked Craig and Arthur from the airport and we set off on a trip which took us not only to the Reunion in Livingstone, but also to Kitwe, Shiwa N'gandu, the Lower Zambezi and Lake Kariba. After Arthur left, Craig and I visited a few other places - another day trip down to Kariba, Luangwa Valley and Kasanka National Park.
As both of us have to earn a living, we did not manage to be as movious as we would have liked because we had to spend some time in Lusaka catching up with what was going on with our respective businesses, so the 'spoken-of' trips to Kansanshi, Mwinilunga and the source of the Zambezi; Lunga-Luswishi GMA, Chipongo Cave and others had to go by the way side. So did the second bungee jump and microlight flight over the Falls.
This morning early, I again made the trip to Lusaka International Airport; this time to put Craig on the Britsh Airways flight to London.
Over the last two and a half months, Craig seems to have coped up very well with life in Zambia. Just some of the small daily frustrations that he had to deal with were ISP's that block certain ports because they 'might' be under worm attack; banks that want to limit the amount of traveller's cheques you can cash and other such things that make life here interesting and challenging. He has also learnt to negotiate with street vendors; had been surprised when the newspaper vendor, recognising the vehicle, asked him to deliver my newspaper to me when he was stopped at the traffic lights and negotiated Lusaka's streets only once having to phone me to ask where he was.
By now he has probably had his fill of scorpions, tsetse flies, spiders and all the other bugs that abound here, especially now that the rains have started. He has also, I am sure, started growing wheels on his rearend from all the driving we have done (since his arrival, I have clocked up in excess of 10,000 kms on my car - just imagine!!) And we have reminded him of the culinary delights which abound here - biltong, droe wors and nshima and he even took the major step of tasting snails and enjoyed them. He will also certainly be glad not to have to go through the evening ritual of applying mosquito repellent, but which has kept him malaria free (or at least so far.)
I also await Craig's thoughts and impressions of Zambia and hope that he enjoyed his stay here and enjoys the rest of his trip.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, December 04, 2003 at 14:51:28 (UTC)
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Doug Meneer Cullen does not ring a bell with me either but from 76 to 79 there was 3000 white men working on building the mine and it was quite hectic and unless he was working in close proximity to my workshops we would never know each other, there must have been 50 Deiters on the mine but it is as you know a christian name and I remember a lot of them but i do not Know which one he is referring to.Cheers Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, December 03, 2003 at 23:09:52 (UTC)
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Gill
It really was mealies! Vryheid is too cold for sugar cane.
Many years back, I was driving a engineer from London to inspect one of our contracts at a sugar mill in Swaziland. As we drove through the fields of 12ft high lush green cane he commented, "Blimey, they sure grow their lawns long around here!"
I have just returned from a 500km round trip to Breyten to visit Glen Drake. We had an enjoyable day and it was also nice to meet his Uncle Arthur and Aunt Stella Cullen who have lived in Northern Rhodesia from 1952 to 1964. They spent time in many places from Mazabuka to Kalulushi to Kasama.
If anyone knew them send me an email and I will phone them with your greetings.
Johnny Green
Arthur Cullen lived in Swakopmund and worked on Rossing Uranium mine from 1976 to 1979. I asked him if he knew you, as I know you were also there, but he cannot recall you, or Andy Carvel or Jurgen Glissman, but he mentioned a chap called Dieter who is now in Pietermaritzburg. Does that ring any bells? Ken Hall also told me about a german friend of mine from Zambia & SWA who had ended up in PMB. I must try to follow it up and find who the mystery man is!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, December 03, 2003 at 21:01:30 (UTC)
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Pappy
I have sent you an email with Johnny and Andy McMahon's, Colin van der Merwe and Don Campbell's contact details. Hopefully it'll get through to you.
Regards
Mark Sturgeon [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, December 03, 2003 at 07:04:07 (UTC)
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OK Peeps enough about bamboo already - tell me about sugar cane. Have a professional sitting behind me from SA at the moment ie., ideally the stalks would be 12ft high - takes a lot of gnawing through for us kids. Mind you, we all had teeth at the time.
Doug Grewar
My guess is that your maize was only sugar cane in disguise.
Get back.
Gill
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 22:12:33 (UTC)
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Mark,do you have tubby jugs e-mail address,(Johnny McMahon),would like to keep in contact with him,also stretch Van Der Merwe,anyone know what happened to Andy McMahon,and Debbie Corby.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 19:54:15 (UTC)
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Glen Drake is visiting Breyten near Ermelo in the Eastern Transvaaal. The last time I saw him and his brother Chris was nearly 50 years ago when we were teenagers in Chibuluma. Tomorrow I will drive the 230 km to Breyten to see Glen thank to the GNR.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 19:50:25 (UTC)
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Thanks Doug problem solved but I have inherited another one now . Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 19:16:56 (UTC)
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Johnny
I also had the same problem.
On IE click on tools, the options, then the security tab.
About one and a half inches down you will find a box with a tick in it, next to which it says, "Do not allow attachment to be saved or opened that could potentially be a virus."
Click on the box to deselect this option and the tick will disappear. Click OK at the bottom of this window and your problem should be sorted.
If you wish you can switch this option back on again for extra safety when opening messages from chancy scources.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 18:25:52 (UTC)
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Barrie Braidford, Miles Welsh
Best Wishes on your Birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 12:52:41 (UTC)
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Phill,
Yes they were the days, especially during the summer holidays, use to disapear all day 8.00am till late, we [the street gang] would all go up the woods, down the glen or over to the coup [rubbish dump], make dens to live in, light fires to cook, you would come back at night stinking of smoke on your clothes and your mother would throw a wobbler for playing with fire, when you got hungry you just nipped into the farmers field grab yourself a turnip and peel it with your teeth, or get some potatoes and throw them on the fire until they were black, and after you had eaten them your teeth had black pieces between them, looking at them you would think your teeth were rotten, I remember my first Bogey [go- cart] my father was a iron moulder and he made me cast iron wheels [as pram wheels were hard to get] nip down to the builders yard and steal a plank for to make your bogey, hammer in staight nails and bend them over the axle of your wheels [they called that improvisation] what a racket these wheels made as you went down the hill, when I eventually got pram wheels it was like riding in a rolls royce. Then there was the bows and arrows, you made a arrow holder out a old Vim tin and slung it across your shoulder, then the sling which you got a old tyre innered and cut it up into strips for to make your sling, to earn some money during the holidays we use to go down the coup looking for scrap iron, lead, copper, and take it into the scrap merchant two miles away in the town with our bogies, and buy sweets and pop to eat and drink on the way back home, then there were the bools [marbles] you played at the side of the road, rounders in the street, there was little trafick in these days, I could go on and on, unfortunatly my sons and there sons never ever experianced this when they were young just sit and watch telly or play computer games, eat junk food yes Phill they were the good old days.
Jimmy
Jimmy Churchil [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 09:29:57 (UTC)
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MESSAGE FROM PAUL FISHER
Paul Fisher would like to thank the organisers of the 9th KingFisher Golf Tournament for a successful and enjoyable day and evening. Special thanks to Colin van der Merwe. The day was held at the Kyalami Golf Club.
Some of the Ex/Zamboons who attended were as follows:
Bushy Jones, Johnny McMahon, Harry Thomas, Rob Bremner, Dave (Bemba) Jack, Trevor van der Merwe, Martin Rumbelow, Mark Sturgeon, Dallas Brims, Tony McGerk.
Those not mentioned please accept my apologies.
Regards
Mark Sturgeon [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 07:47:43 (UTC)
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Help Please. I recently upgraded my Outlook Express but now it has taken over my right to decide what I wish to recieve without consulting me first it is removing nearly every FW I recieve with the words OE has eliminated your FW that appears unsafe and I know they are only cartoons or jokes etc that my friends have been sending me for years without any trouble please is there any quick fix? Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, December 02, 2003 at 06:23:39 (UTC)
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Hi All
I got this from Maggie Pain (My sister in-law who claims that she was a naughty kid)
People over 35 should be dead. (I think we all grew up like this) Here's why . According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 40's, 50's, 60's, or even maybe the early 70's probably shouldn't have survived. Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets, ... and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking.) As children, we would ride in cars with no seatbelts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. Horrors! We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we were never overweight because we were always outside playing. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this. We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the street lights came on.No one was able to reach us all day. NO CELL PHONES!!!!! Unthinkable! We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64, X-Boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, personal cell phones, personal computers, or Internet chat rooms. We had friends! We went outside and found them. We played dodge ball, and sometimes, the ball would really hurt. We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. They were accidents. No one was to blame but us. Remember accidents? We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and learned to get over it. We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms, and although we were told it would happen,we did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or rang the bell or just walked in and talked to them. Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Some students weren't as smart as others, so they failed a grade and wereheld back to repeat the same grade. Horrors! Tests were not adjusted for any reason. Our actions were our own. Consequences were expected. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law. Imagine that! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all. And you're one of them! Congratulations! Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, December 01, 2003 at 18:51:56 (UTC)
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Worth a moment of recollection for a special person, gone this day, 28 years ago - Ofer Grill. Thanks.
Janie Ledeboer (née Dalton) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Attleborough, Norfolk, United Kingdom
Monday, December 01, 2003 at 16:43:10 (UTC)
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Hi All.......... to all those who wished me both birthday and get well wishes... THANK YOU SO MUCH I had a very unusual birthday I "KID ney" you not...one that I will not forget in a hurry....I am now home from hospital and recuperating ...A HUGE thank you to my special Angel Alice.....wow fancy becoming a midwife and a mom all at once....(mother and pups are doing well) and Both Leah and Jade are well too......
Tina , John and Rosemary hugs and kisses to you my guardian Angels.....and a special one to Gavan : )
The day I went into hospital I received in the mail a little parcel, (a video) from Jacqui Milward.....sadly I was too ill to watch it.......BUT tonight I did , and I had a huge lump in my throat......what a beautiful surprise , and to get it near my birthday ..I thank you Jacqui from the bottom of my heart......a very very special gift....(taken whilst at the Lark)......to sit in my lounge and have the larkers as large as life on my TV screen saying hello, and the falls and just seeing Zambia....wow..........thanks........
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, December 01, 2003 at 16:34:30 (UTC)
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Just thought I'ld be # 2 on the December board and, like Sue and Paudy, gloat at the thought that we are gettin closer to the day when we'll be in Oz in January.
Having just come off the usual snow here, it's real nice booking places to stay up the coast from Sinney to Cairns and from Darwin back to the big smoke.
Aah, heat and wet.
Better than snow and wind.
Ooops, the deer are munching Yvettes' flowerbed... must go say boo.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Monday, December 01, 2003 at 15:47:13 (UTC)
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G'Day All the GNR-ers
Just wanted to say 'How'z'it!' (basking in the magnificent Australian sunshine) to all in so many other beautiful places around the world.
Paudie and I are still settling back in but looking forward to a Summer Christmas surrounded by family.
Best Wishes from us both,
Sue Forde [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, December 01, 2003 at 01:49:16 (UTC)
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