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Pappy
Yes my dad did own DK Pestcontrol. He lives in Durban and has his own home maintenance business. He is well.
Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 17:38:59 (UTC)
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To Lynn Szeftel:
Well Lynn. I never knew Roy had a sister. He never mentioned it. Whatever Roy said had to be sifted and filtered for various reasons so maybe what he told Bob and me (see Bob`s post) about Pip and himself was not so. Anyway, I`m chuffed Pip is well, happy and safe.
By the tone of your post I have obviously offended, I therefore apologize unreservedly. I will not be posting in the future so this will not occur again.
Ross
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 15:09:45 (UTC)
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Pierre
Yes I am still here and see Henri every now and again. Look me up when you come here
Gerard
Gerard Fagan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 15:07:31 (UTC)
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Dave Swan,
Zat's a good one about Eurospelling. Makes my spelling look positively erudite! A good site on spelling reform is www.freespeling.com (with one L).
Re crosswords I got an excellent program from http://www.bryson.ltd.uk/teabuy.html
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 14:52:39 (UTC)
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To: Ross Gillies
Let me correct you. My brother Roy, does indeed live in Manchester but no way did he end up with Pip or even has anything to do with her. She is my best friend and has been for many years and still is very happily married to Peter Juerges and has two beautiful daughters.
My brother married a girl named Sue Page whom he met here in Lusaka and also has two children. Yes, he is not a 100% health wise, much of it due to his own fault.
Cheers
Lynn
Lynn Szeftel (née Mayoss) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 13:25:52 (UTC)
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Barbara,did your dad own D.K.pest control,if so I worked for him.is he still around.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 12:03:05 (UTC)
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Neville
We lived in Kitwe until 1981 and the farm was owned by Wally Dickerson. My father, Mike Doherty, was a good friend of Wally's and used to play tennis over at the farm. I loved going with him just to ride the cable car over the river. When we arrived on the main side we would have to hoot that we were there and Wally would send the cable car over. If it was windy it would be a precarious ride over, but I loved it. If the river was high the the cable car wouldn't be far off the water. The gardens were fantastic with a wonderful tennis court ,big pool and everything blending in with each other so beautifully. I sometimes would go horse riding with Phillip, Wally's son. I loved visiting the place.
Sad to hear that Wally died.
On another note,could anyone tell me what type of passport they obtained if they were born in Rhodesia before UDI. I am trying to work out if my British passport was given to me because I was born in Rhodesia while it was still a British colony or because my parents were British. It will have a bearing on weather my children are entitled to British passports.
Barbara Doherty
Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 11:31:43 (UTC)
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David Hoyle and Heather,
Yes, Des Hunt, brother of Johnny is still in Kabwe farming about 10 miles south. His latest ventutre is growing coffee and Dave Murdoch took Tweedie and I out to visit him last January. He celebrated his 80th birthday last April.
I have a few photos taken at the farm, at the dam and showing off a very impress coffee crop. I'd post em if I knew how.
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 09:38:49 (UTC)
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Jigger Edwards
Best wishes on your birthday
DAVID HOYLE
There is a Des Hunt who is still in Kabwe. Don't know if it is the same one.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Saturday, January 31, 2004 at 09:06:07 (UTC)
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EuroEnglish for Doug Grewar
The European Union is fast becoming a joke. EU commissioners are expected to announce soon that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility.
But as part of the negotiations, the British government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for "EuroEnglish".
In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. The hard "c" will be replaced with a "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome"ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 percent shorter.
In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, always a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by "v".
During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.
Efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking ze lengwage like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
This was in a letter to The Herald a few years ago.
I cut it out and knew it would come in useful 1 day.
David Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bute, Scotland, United Kingdom Friday, January 30, 2004 at 22:29:41 (UTC)
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Bob looks like Ross has popped his head up at last,knew if we waited long enough he would.Stay on the G.N.R. Ross and we will jog your memory for you.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Friday, January 30, 2004 at 20:06:26 (UTC)
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Gilly the last time I saw you, you were shaking a little as well, I must admit so was I, but don't go climbing any ladders will you, Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, January 30, 2004 at 18:29:34 (UTC)
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Hah, all becomes clear. My memories are not too good on our earlier life, due to a trauma suffered a few years ago, Bob has far better recall than I. Pip Bessant was indeed my first love whom I`ve never forgotten over the years despite being happily married for 23 years now. I`d love to meet her again and I think she lives in the Northwest around Manchester or Chester area. This is what Roy Mayoss told me the last time I saw him. He lives in Manchester UK. He gave me a first Edition copy of his book, "A taste of dust". All about us and our antics.
Roy`s health is not too good so anyone knows him, wish him well. Did`nt know Pip ended up with Roy though?
Will email you soon Bob OK.
Anyone remember the Ace`s band or Sounds 5 plus one. Someone must have heard us play. Let me know as I was the drummer. We gigged at the hangout Luansha, at ndola hotel and the greek hall kitwe among other places.
Ross Gillies, (brother to Bob)
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom Friday, January 30, 2004 at 18:18:42 (UTC)
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Gordon Rossiter, where are you???? A message out of the blue which I replied to in double quick time then nothing. No I am not one of the maidens Wilma has spoken of but one of the little sisters who had a huge crush on you. Where are you, what are you doing etc. etc.
On the topic of the circus - nasty story. Went with my Mum when I was about 9-10 years old, the trapeze artist lady was climbing up the rope stairs and I noticed she was shaking like a leaf. When she got to the platform I turned to Mum and said "that lady is going to fall". Jeez got such a resounding clap around the lug for it and Mum hissed in my ear "behave yourself, your a very bad girl". Five minutes later, the lady fell - broke her back and ended up in traction at Muf hospital. Mum and I never mentioned it again - don't know if she put it down to the "eyes of a child" or what. Put it this way, had long hair at the time and when she brushed it or combed it, didn't feel like she was trying to find the ole "666" imprinted on my bonce!!!
Tara for now
Gill
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland Friday, January 30, 2004 at 18:07:57 (UTC)
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Craig & John Pringle
Thanks for the tips. As soon as I finish with GNR I am heading there.
Doron
Many a true word said in jest. I occasionally battle with a crossword only to find it's my bad spelling causing the problem. I have the same problem with several of the many other languages besides English that I speak, for instance Scots, Irish, Welsh, American, Canadian, Australian etc. :-)
To further fox thing up we have 11 official languages in South Africa plus several unofficial ones, not to mention derdetaal and tsotsitaal.
My son, who can spell far better than I, goes to a Hoerskool ( not an academy for ladies of the night ), while the german kids go to a schule over the road. No vunder zat I is kak mit my spellunks.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, January 30, 2004 at 17:58:47 (UTC)
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here are a few for the new month:
Intaxication : Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
Reintarnation : Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
Bozone : The atmosphere surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating.
Cashtration : The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.
Beelzebug : Satan in the form of a mosquito that gets into your bedroom at 3 in the morning and cannot be cast out.
Ignoranus : A person who is both stupid and an a***hole.
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Friday, January 30, 2004 at 15:06:37 (UTC)
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Exactly as you said:
Placing all of your trust in your tools (whether it's software, a car, an aeroplane, or the like) without the commensurate knowledge to back it up is a dangerous thing.
CU
Robert
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Friday, January 30, 2004 at 11:08:31 (UTC)
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Doron
You should try finding the shift key. lol
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, January 30, 2004 at 05:54:36 (UTC)
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Linda,
If those viruses emanated from Australia then blame the Unions. Not the Roos. It's always the Unions here. I'm sorry if I inadvertently sent you one the other day. I usually follow Craig's advice and am very careful with what I open.
John Evans,
Our London staff have told us how cold it has been in the UK. Lots of snow too.
We're back up to 34 degrees celcius on Sunday and the temperature will climb steadily throughout February. I always warn visitors not to visit in February if they don't like the heat. Marble Bar has our temperatures for their winter season. Summer's a killer up there!
Johnny,
Lovely funnies today, thank you. My friends thank you too!
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Friday, January 30, 2004 at 03:26:00 (UTC)
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Doron,
The likes of McAfee and Symantec/Norton would like you to believe that their software is all you need to defend yourself. However, if that was the case we wouldn't have these outbreaks. The fact is that the most effective anti-virus software comes pre-installed in every human being -- it's called your brain. I used to have anti-virus software installed on my computer for a brief period, but I haven't for years and I have never been infected in nine years of being on the Internet.
Placing all of your trust in your tools (whether it's software, a car, an aeroplane, or the like) without the commensurate knowledge to back it up is a dangerous thing.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 30, 2004 at 03:07:46 (UTC)
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Also everone, i don't get it. If you have mcafee or norton, surely the virus thingy is moot.........or not?
Doron
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 23:29:35 (UTC)
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Doug,
wile you'r abowt it, try finding a speling prograam. That way your reCearch will trewly help you. lol
cheers,
Doron.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 23:27:18 (UTC)
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Doug,
Another good site for software downloads for both PC and Mac is: www.tucows.com.
A search for "crossword solve" returns 74 programs that are "Rated" by the site.
Regards
John Pringle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Atlanta, Georgia, United States Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 22:25:23 (UTC)
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Doug,
Thanks, and you're welcome.
Download.com is a good place to find software. A search on their site for the words "crossword solve" yields eight possibilities. A search for "anagram" yields nine results.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 21:37:16 (UTC)
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Craig
Thanks once again for all your efforts on our behalfs. I would like to ask a non-germane question of you or anybody who is a crossword fan.
I have been using wordperfect 6 on an obsolete computer just for solving crosswords. If you press Ctr F2 then L for lookup in has a word search program. If you know 2 or 3 letter in a word you fill them in, inserting question marks (?) for the letters you don't know. Wordperfect then searches thru the dictionary and up pop all the possible matches. Frans calls it crooking. I call it recearching.
Now the obsolete is kaput and I am stuck! I bought an encarta 2004 premium suite for my P4 but am dissappointed to find that it has no word search facility. Can any kind person recommend a program that is good for word searching to solve crosswords. If it can also give all the variants of an anagram that would be even better.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 19:48:06 (UTC)
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I have just realised that I am posting this at the end of the month, so I will respost it at the beginning of next month too.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 18:27:36 (UTC)
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AN IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT KEEPING THE E-MAIL ADDRESS IN YOUR NAMES DIRECTORY ENTRY CURRENT
Summary:- Please keep the e-mail address in your entry current.
- Please keep a record of your GNR user ID and password.
- Please use the password-recovery form to have your user ID and password sent to you if you have lost it before your cancel your current e-mail address.
Most members maintain their Names Directory entry with little or no fuss and little or no help from me, and for that I thank you. I am glad that people care enough about the GNR to keep their contact information on the site current.
However, I have been receiving a steady stream of requests these days from people asking me to update the e-mail address in their entry. My first response is always to tell people that they can do it themselves by logging into their entry at http://www.greatnorthroad.org/names/edit.php. Additionally I add that, if you have forgotten your user ID and/or password, you can have them sent to the e-mail address currently in your entry by entering that e-mail address into the password-recovery form at http://www.greatnorthroad.org/names/lost_password.php. Obviously you need to enter the e-mail address that is known to the Directory; if you enter any other address, the form will respond by saying that it has no record of that address, so it can't send your user ID and password to you because it doesn't know which ones to send you and, besides, even if it could magically guess which ones you wanted, it doesn't know that you are authorised to have them.
For those that might wonder why I can't just do it for you and so save you the hassle, please take a look at the number of members in the top, right-hand corner of this page. As I write this is stands at 1374. Is it reasonable that I ask you to maintain your own entry, or is it reasonable that I have to maintain 1374 entries? Members who have been around long enough will remember the time when I did do it all myself before the automated log-in system was put in place (when we only had a couple of hundred members), and they will also remember that I was so far behind that the Names Directory was useless.
The problem comes when people cancel the e-mail address that is in their Directory entry before updating their entry with their new address. The people I usually hear from have forgotten their user ID and/or password, therefore, they can't log in. However, because they have already cancelled their old e-mail address that is in the Names Directory, the password-recovery form is useless to them as they will never see the log-in information it sends to their old address and it doesn't recognise their new address.
This is where I have to take a risk that the person sending me an e-mail message with their tale of woe really is who they say they are, and not some Nigerian trying to take over an existing member's entry for the purpose of spamming the GNR. (That's only one example of what could be happening and why.) However, I don't take their word for it immediately; as it says at the bottom of the Names Directory page, "If you neglect to [have your user ID and password sent to you before you cancel your old e-mail address] you will have to go through a very annoying (to you) process to prove to us that you really are who you say you are." This involves the exchange of several e-mail messages where I appear to be rather stupid because I am asking strange questions repetitively, especially if you don't answer them the first time I ask; the process is annoying to me too, actually, so don't think for a minute that I enjoy running you through the wringer.
In the past this has usually gone well; I have updated the member's entry and he or she is reinstated as an active member with a working e-mail address and so can log in to post on the message board. However, sometimes (and more often recently) some people have apparently become annoyed (I did warn you) at the process and given up. Then I don't hear from them, and I am not going to chase after them and beg them to complete the process; after all, I have another 1373 members to worry about. Then a month later they try again, chiding me by telling me they tried a month ago to do this, as if the whole thing is my fault. However, at that point I have to begin the process again, and a couple of people have partially completed the process more than once before disappearing yet again. In fact, there are a handful of you still out there in limbo in this process.
I hope that explains how the system works. It's much the same on any other membership site that you or I belong to, so it's not as if we are asking too much on this site for you to keep a record of your user ID and password somewhere where you will be able to access it so that you can maintain your membership on the GNR.
If you have any questions or concerns about this, please post them here so that we can all benefit from any discussion that arises. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 18:19:32 (UTC)
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Marilyn/ Jane (Madam Donna!)
Just to confirm my rooinek tendencies I will update you folk from sunnier climes about our weather!
Chester has missed (again) the worst of the alledged big freeze. It snowed for about 30 minutes yesterday and then froze, leaving the roads a bit tricky to drive on. Today its like a spring day with the sun belting down and a temperature just above freezing. They promised us -15degrees!
My daughter is in Newcastle and the northeast, along with Scotland, bore the brunt of this Arctic weather. She reports loads of snow and very worried looking brass monkeys!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 13:23:04 (UTC)
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Just FYI, every single one of the viruses that my computer has received have originated in Australia. Don't know what that means but just thought I would mention it.
Perhaps the Roos have revolted in support of the Penguins? :)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 12:51:04 (UTC)
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Rick,
Thanks for that. Please everyone heed Rick's advice and check your computers. I have been bombarded myself over the last few days by dozens of these messages, all to my greatnorthroad.org and northernrhodesia.org addresses. Because I use these addresses only for GNR business, it's quite likely that the sources in my case are GNR members. I know for a fact that a couple of the sources are in the UK and Australia, two of the places with the most GNR members.
However, it's also possible that the sources are e-mail contacts of GNR members who have nothing to do with the GNR. I can't stress enough how important it is that, when you are sending e-mail messages to multiple recipients, you put all of the recipients in the "Bcc" field. That way you are not contributing to the spread of these viruses and worms by feeding them with fresh e-mail addresses, as happens when you send a message to a whole bunch of people and put all of their e-mail addresses in the "To" or "Cc" fields where the worm can see them and exploit them.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 07:33:24 (UTC)
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John Evans,
I hope it continues to snow your end. Loved those little stories.
I see we were all really good, careful drivers in the North. Lucky most of us had friends in the then police force!
Bob Gillies.
There was a Holdsworth Chemist in Kitwe, it was right next to Star Jewllers.
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 03:40:57 (UTC)
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More on the MyDoom / NovaReg worm.
The worm is not relatively benign just because it doesn't trash your hard disk. The main aim of the worm is to take your machine over so it can be controlled remotely by spammers. Or worse.
See here for more details on the spam dimension:
MyDoom article.
The mail server I look after at work has intercepted dozens and dozens of infected mails over the past couple of days.
For more details on the virus itself, and a virus removal tool, try here:
Virus description.
Downloadable removal tool
Download the removal tool.
Battered penguins do not have a lot to do with this one Linda. :-)
Rick Rosewarne [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 02:19:36 (UTC)
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Just in case there is still penguins on people's minds...
On this address you can send those wingless birds 512 feet with one hit.
http://games.apropo.ro/penguin-modified.html
Douglas Borland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
St. Albert, Alberta, Canada Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 20:27:31 (UTC)
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Jane,
Just noticed your reference to Mita Hills and I presume this is the same area maintained for damming the water for Kabwe Mine power supply. Sometime in the early 70's I had the privilege to camp at Mita Hills with John Hunt, who was the NCCM man in charge of the dam. The necessary luxuries on such a trip was 1 Cold box full of Castles and bbq food. That night we had over 1 million mosquitoes for company. John had a brother called Des who I met quite a few years later in Kabwe, I went fishing in the dambo there on a farm that I think Des owned or managed.
Does anybody else remember John or Des Hunt?
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 19:14:20 (UTC)
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John, Peter, Denise and Norman.
Thank you for your emails re Zambian Banknotes and I trust that you have found my replies of help. I only collect banknotes and my knowledge is therefore restricted to these i.e. I am not experienced to give advice re coins or stamps.
On the question of selling Zambian notes, coins or stamps, I would say that items from ex colonies around the world will probably have the biggest interest in the "Mother or home country". This is obviously a major problem if you are sat in the Yukon holding a very rare Zambian item.
Although auction sites might seem tempting I would suggest finding a dealer in your area and asking him for a valuation. If you are trying to sell a banknote I am always available to give you a second opinion/valuation as I do maintain the latest world catalogues and prices.
The most important single factor in evaluating a note is establishing its condition. i.e whether it is Good, Very Fine or Uncirculated and I will be more than happy to expand on these definitions if it of interest to any GNR member.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 18:40:12 (UTC)
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John Evans,
How long is this big freeze going to last?
Madam Donna
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 17:14:09 (UTC)
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Mark Donkin, Bruce Nixon
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 15:54:10 (UTC)
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John & Hartley, Thanks for recalling details of the prang. With memories like ours we should all have been coppers. I will tell Ross to log on and he can see his ex still owes me. John, my buzz bike was a 49cc Philips Gadabout, I have never seen one since. After that one I had a Maserati 125 and sold it to Bruce Harvey later for 50 bucks. I wonder where it is. There were only 3 imported into Zambia and I think Jeff Stepny (Clayface) had one but wrote it off hitting an Anglia. I still have a bike, now an AJS500 single 1964 with 2061 miles on the clock, that one I am keeping!
David, I worked at Holdsworth Lusaka in 65/66 but did not know a Len Willis. I moved to Kitwe in 1968 and don't recall a Holdsworths there. But there was a Ken Reynel who worked at Holdsworths Broken Hill in 65/66 and he became a customer of mine here a few years ago until he passed away suddenly in 2002 from a heart attack. He was a quiet spoken guy and was busy revamping a Cortina Mk1 and had a Capri in good nick. He had bought a pub called Sundowners here which got very popular while he ran it but he was running the perspex and fibreglass bath factory here as well, long long hours and all the smoke in the pub and the social side must have taken a toll on him. Anyone out there who knew him from Broken Hill?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 15:21:52 (UTC)
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Its snowing and I'm bored...... some funnies to prove idiocy isn't an African monopoly!
Commenting on a complaint from a Mr Arthur Purdey about a large gas bill, a spokesman for North West Gas said, "We agree it was rather high for the time of year. It's possible Mr Purdey has been charged for the gas used up during the explosion that destroyed his house." (The Daily Telegraph)
Police reveal that a woman arrested for shoplifting had a whole salami in her knickers. When asked why, she said it was because she was missing her Italian boyfriend. (The Manchester Evening News)
Irish police are being handicapped in a search for a stolen van, because they cannot issue a description. It's a Special Branch vehicle and they don't want the public to know what it looks like. (The Guardian)
A young girl who was blown out to sea on a set of inflatable teeth was rescued by a man on an inflatable lobster. A coastguard spokesman commented, "This sort of thing is all too common". (The Times)
At the height of the gale, the harbourmaster radioed a coastguard on the spot and asked him to estimate the wind speed. He replied he was sorry, but he didn't have a gauge. However, if it was any help, the wind had just blown his Land Rover off the cliff. (Aberdeen Evening Express)
Mrs Irene Graham of Thorpe Avenue, Boscombe, delighted the audience with her reminiscence of the German prisoner of war who was sent each week to do her garden. He was repatriated at the end of 1945, she recalled "He'd always seemed a nice friendly chap, but when the crocuses came up in the middle of our lawn in February 1946, they spelt out "Heil Hitler."
(Bournemouth Evening Echo)
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 14:28:09 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Yes. The Fiat 500 was pranged as we turned off Gt East Road into Cecil Rhodes Drive and I was sitting in the back watching this pair of headlights speeding towards me! Apart from hysterics from the driver - Pip (thanks Bob). I didn't remember too much about the aftermath apart from us driving away.
By coincidence, the police were on the scene in seconds because they had been called out to another accident further out on the GER! After seeing there were no injuries, they buzzed off to the other accident.
Bob,
I remember (with some dread) Pip insisting that you had allowed her to drive the Flea. Ater a few yards, it was apparent that driving was something of a mystery to her! The front passenger seat had been taken out and reversed so the 3 passengers could confer on the clues. Probably why Chris couldn't see how erratically we were being propelled down the road!
As you say, happy, very irresponsible days!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 13:18:43 (UTC)
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I guess you are all aware of the latest worm virus that is spreading like wildfire? The name of the worm is Novarg if you need to know that. Apparently it is one of those that gets to your address book and starts working through it. It is not destructive. It just goes to lots of places. If you were running a mail server, it could be a disruptive nuisance as that is all it does.
Go to http://www.trendmicro.com/en/home/us/enterprise.htm and click on Virus Alert for more details.
This is not a link. You have to type it in.
(I heard a rumour it was started by a battered penguin... grin)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 12:34:26 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies
Does the name Len Willis of Holdsworths in Kitwe ring a bell and if so do you know where he is now. I heard that he had moved to Durban but none of the Willises listed in the phone book knew anything about him.
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 11:50:12 (UTC)
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Aw come on Philip you can't let 1000 viewers of this site sit with half a story, how can a man get divorced by using the GNR ? unless his wife caught him E mailing some other dolly with words of endearment, but whatever we all want to know we are all nosey b----ers. Johnny.
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Scarborough, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 11:12:15 (UTC)
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Linda
You were almost right, they were the "French Hell Drivers". I have found one photo so far but I am sure there were more. Will see if I can find them later today.
Hartley
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Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 09:25:19 (UTC)
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Hi all
Just a quick note to let you all know I am still around but going through a rough patch at the moment.
I recon that I may have set a new first for the GNR. I don't know if anyone else has got divorced because of it.
As soon as my life is back on line " I'll be back "(Said like Arnie)
Take care all
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa Wednesday, January 28, 2004 at 04:57:53 (UTC)
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I have just returned from 3 wonderful, warm, weeks in Lanzarote, (you can just about avoid the tattooed unwashed) and to my delight met two enterprizing Zambian gentlemen (from Lusaka), selling curios on the beach. Being a soft touch, of course, I bought yet another wooden giraffe for my menagerie, but I took my hat off to these guys, they work all night in a fish factory in Arrecife, and then get the bus down to Puerto del Carmen, and flog wooden carvings on the beaches. We shared a beer and reminsced awhile, took me back! Ciao, Megz
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 21:43:34 (UTC)
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Bob
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the accident happen on the Great East Road at the bottom of Cecil Rhodes drive. If my memory serves me correctly the Merc had to be towed away whilst your car was still drivable.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 16:57:52 (UTC)
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John Evans, Thanks for confirming that was Rob Hendry in the photo. We used to go to his house often and swim in the pool. His mum made the best apple pie!
I kept friends with Rob right through his Salisbury and Durban days seeing him regularly, he was my mum's favourite and used to go the my folks house in Salisbury in the 70's to see them while I was still in Zambia. He is in Australia now and we are still in contact. As regards that car prang. It was my Fiat 500 that was involved. It was a youth club rally I think from the Church up opposite Stewart Park. I had helped to organise it so could not take part. I lent the fiat to Chris Midgelow and Ross's chick at the time was Pip Bessant. She went with Chris and later asked to drive, Chris asked her if I used to let her drive and she said yes! Apparently she put one indicator on and turned the other way and a car (was it an old black merc) whacked the side of the fiat.Lucky there were no injuries Anyway Chris came back most upset and Pip being Ross,s bit had the opinion she did not have to pay for the damage! I got it fixed as best I could with no money and traded it in on an old (about 1961) MG Midget that was in a car lot opposite the 20th Cinema. Pip went on to be Roy Mayoss's girl and I think she may still be in Lusaka. She was quite a dish when Ross took her out, he had met her at The Glee Club at Lusaka Theatre Club where we used to help with lights and curtains, some memories!!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 16:17:10 (UTC)
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Helen
Glad to see that you have the link. Only just caught up with the message board, been in SA since the end of December.
Linda
I don't think you are too far out with the name of the group that did the two wheel driving. If I remember correctly they were French. Towards the end of last year I was going through a collection of slides and there are a number of photos of the team taken at the Lusaka Showgrounds. If I have time this evening I will try and find them, scan them and put them on the net.
This brings me on to 'the slides'. They were taken by my dad and once the family has been removed I will be left with a number of photos from around Lusaka that include the decorations put up in October 1964. Nearly 40 years ago.
Heather
I understand what you said about your decisions for staying in Zambia and sometimes wonder what would have happened if we had not left. I do believe that if you have the aptitude you can make a success of your life where ever you are, it is just more difficult in some places than others. I am sure that your sucess has been more down to you than Zambia.
I for one miss Africa and Sue is no different. We were driving along a road in SA last week and Sue said something to the effect that every time we leave we miss something which is just Africa. Is it the style of road, the bush, the people, the trucks that get in your way or the taxis that cut you up without hesitation. I don't know but there is something that will draw me back until my dying day. I for one don't think that this thing I call 'Africa' is different in any of the countries south of the Sahara and I have visited most.
We have made a success of our life in the UK but I have never really felt 'at home' here. We are lucky that we are also able to get away whenever we want but in general we migrate back to Africa, 4 times last year, and made the decision early last year to establish a more permanent link by buying a house in South Africa.
Ali
I was tempted to also purchase a Ferrari, http://www.acer.co.uk/acereuro/page4.do?dau22.oid=3892&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=17&ctx1=UK&crc=1186406248.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 11:27:55 (UTC)
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Good morning campers I have sent this off to a few of my friends but I think it is worth sharing with you all and please smile.
Twee boere ry in 'n bakkie in die yellow lane..........simple dronk.
'N swart speedcop trek hulle af ne vra " Excuse me sir but do u know
that the yellow line is for buses only?"
Een van die boere se toe "Ja we know, I am Baas Piet en this is Baas
Koos!
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 08:54:15 (UTC)
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Eric Pitt, Jean Anderson
Best wishes on your birthday
HELEN D'CRUZ
The Fusco's number is ringing continuously with no answer. And I haven't yet got around to phoning Kiran.
AN INTERESTING TIP
I don't know how many of you ever need to use 3.5 inch discs, but here we use them faily often for transferring information from computers in the office to our computers at home or vice versa. Last night, my daughter had done some homework on one of the computers in my office and copied it onto a disc. When we got home, the disc would not work. My neighbour gave me a tip - put the disc in the freezer for two minutes and then put it into your computer - you will be able to retrieve the data. But only this once - after that the disc is kaput.
It worked.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 06:26:01 (UTC)
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And a "Stompie" is a cigarette butt, what a laugh.
Regards
Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 03:35:44 (UTC)
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John Evans:
Thanks for finding the link to the Lusaka Convent Photos! I appreciate it very much.
Helen D'Cruz
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States Tuesday, January 27, 2004 at 03:34:08 (UTC)
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Arthur
Thanks for the pictures! Great as usual. Also the link to Peter Bennets site. That chap is realy having the adventure of a lifetime. Fantastic! He actualy returns to the house where he was born in Uganda. Winston Churchill called Uganda the 'Pearl of Africa'. Those were the days!
Beth
Your photos of Chirupula and others at Mkushi are very interesting. Please fill us in on who the other people are and what is happening. I have visited 'Stonehenge' but only after the old boy was dead, and I have read his biography 'Jungle Pathfinder'. I found the place heavy with a kind of sad nostalgia as you could see the efforts that Chirupula had put in to try and develop the place, which was being reclaimed by the bush.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Monday, January 26, 2004 at 19:59:22 (UTC)
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Helen Da Cruz
Hartley' photos were posted on a separate website which was linked from the message board.
I think it was //www.isilwana.net/zambiatrip/
Good luck
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 17:41:49 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies
Yes it was Rob. He lived opposite Woodlands School and they had a swimming pool. Happy times jumping off their roof into the shallow end!
Talking of pals, we used to have other mutual friends, but I can't remember whether it was Peter Wincell/ Sean Casey (big game hunters pellet gun style) or through Gilbert Rennie friends. At that time, you had that angry wasp of a moped and you always seemed to be stopped by the cops so they could check if you were old enough to ride it!
Do you remember the youth club car rally when you borrowed Ross's car. I can still see the look on the other driver's face as he sailed into the side of us! Ross's girlfriend was driving at the time as I remember.
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 17:36:31 (UTC)
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The other clown in the Boswell Circus was called stompie.The other Circus was the Wilkie Circus.
Garry the pool we used to swim in was opposite the pump station.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 16:48:44 (UTC)
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John Evans, Re your photo max rush class. The tall guy at the back looks like it could have been my pal Rob Hendry He was tall, fair and wore glasses. Can anyone confirm.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Monday, January 26, 2004 at 15:52:33 (UTC)
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This message is for Hartley or anyone who remembers the wonderful photos he took of Lusaka Convent:
I searched the December and November 2003 archived messages to view the Convent photos. I can't seem to be able to locate them! Please help! I was sure it was in the December archives. Please, Hartley, could you tell me what date in Dec. it was that you sent the photos.
Heather:
Were you able to get in touch with the Fuscos or Kiran Ranchod? I appreciate all that you're doing.
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States Monday, January 26, 2004 at 14:08:46 (UTC)
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Peter Cornelius, Roderick Riordon, Gerald Sarson, Quintin D'elboux
Best wishes on your birthday yesterday
Paul Cowie, Karen Trout, Katherine Williams, Robert Mattsson
Best wishes on your birhtday today
CRAIG
No, you are wrong - we ran into him at Bridge Camp on the way up to Tundwe.
PETER BROMWICH
I am going up to the Copperbelt next week and have sent an email to the address on the web page telling them that I would like to meet with them and to see what they are doing/have done. When I've checked them out, I shall report back.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Monday, January 26, 2004 at 13:00:04 (UTC)
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Dear All
At long last I have time to read and write to the gnr site. We have been really busy with our move here to Maastricht
All my belongings are still in storage, otherwise I would have been able to send a photo to the site of the clown tickey and his spanish partner, it is a photo of Anne Leverington myself and Lesley Hargrieves (I think) when I have moved into my house I will see if I can find it.
We are in a flat at the moment in the middle of Maasticht, and it is approaching Carnavel time, here in Limburg they close the cities for 3 days and it is party time. We will have a great view this year as the procession will be going past our flat. So we are looking forward to that.
I have also been in touch with Gordon Rossiter he used to live in Mufulira. Many a young lady was charmed by him. He is a lurker and not a writer, so by doing this I hope that he comes out of his shell.
Well folks I will end now, keep happy and enjoy the gnr for what it is.
Bye for now
Love Wilma
Wilma Wall (née Henry) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Almelo, Netherlands Monday, January 26, 2004 at 12:05:55 (UTC)
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Yes it was Tickie, I remember him to, and there was more clowns. A tickie is a 3d piece is it not?
I also remember the Luna Park (Hurricanes) and the Harlem Globe Trotters and the Coon Carnival, and the touring party from the East German Republic who came on a convoy of trucks to our Kansenji Primary School and made bowls out of discs of stainless steel and gave us flags and showed us things I had never seen before. Lord Mountbatten in the Ndola park and the Ndola Industries Show (coloured chickens), the Army Marching Bands and many other things that people over here cannot relate to and have no knowledge of at all.
Regards Robert.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Monday, January 26, 2004 at 09:40:34 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur,
Robert is right. This was Boswells' Circus and they used to erect their big tent on the spare ground in Nkana that later became the agricultural show ground. I believe that one of the clowns was called "Tickie"
Regards, Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 07:29:19 (UTC)
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Thanks Johnny...
Having a nice quiet day..34degs under the shade of a coolabah tree........going to the skyworks later on......
Ali
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Perth, Australia Monday, January 26, 2004 at 06:51:04 (UTC)
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To all our comrades living in Australia have a very happy Australian Day and that includes any Aussies that deign to read our board from all the Gnr members.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 06:27:08 (UTC)
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.............hello there.......
Bledy penguins have invaded my household now........hmmmph
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Monday, January 26, 2004 at 05:22:04 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt,
No, not really any help. We were all adopted away from our family when we were kids. We have found my sister (living in South Africa) but cannot find any trace of the brothers.
Hoping to find someone that knew the French family and what might have become of them.
Glenda Housley (née Bays, formerly Zeeman) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Decatur, Alabama, United States Monday, January 26, 2004 at 03:58:06 (UTC)
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Hello All,
In reply to the circus question, I remember that there were two troupes that toured Zambia from R.S.A. called something like :
"Wilkeys" and "Boswells"
I think.
Regards Robert
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Monday, January 26, 2004 at 03:29:13 (UTC)
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Cathrine Nelson
I never managed to get to Livingstone but now, thanks to your lyrical descriptions, I feel as if I just visited. A piece beautifully done deserving a round of applause.
Arty and all the contributors, another load of really interesting photos... thank you.
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Monday, January 26, 2004 at 01:43:13 (UTC)
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Dear Headmaster Steevens:
I apologise for leading others astray, but the Johnny Man made me do it, honest! I shall present myself first thing in the morning. Your cane or mine?
Your naughty student
Bird Brain Dore
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Monday, January 26, 2004 at 01:34:39 (UTC)
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Hilton Williams
I nearly forgot

Your soapbox driving licence !
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 00:27:58 (UTC)
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Yesterday I knew I had well and truly left behind Livingstone after my visit there in the last days of December 2003. I drove past a now empty lot a few blocks down my street here in Washington DC where, the last time I had looked, a huge, lovely early 20th century home had stood and recently sold for, I imagine, a couple of million dollars. Soon an even larger, more luxurious house will be built on this site following a trend now common in the inner reaches of this nation’s capital.
What struck me most of all on my visit to Livingstone, the place I called home for about 6 years, was that little had been torn down and replaced. Some things had gently crumbled away, some minor things had been taken down, but most seems to have been used, benignly neglected, or when absolutely necessary, fixed in the least aggressive manner. It is like an aging body under the care of an old fashioned country doctor with few resources but the firm resolve to adhere to the spirit of the Hippocratic Oath to first do no harm.
It would be narcissistic to say nothing has happened since I rolled out of town in a Morris Traveler 33 years ago. Down by the Falls much has been rearranged and my first thought was that someone had been messing with my mind; even the roads seem to be in different places. But all was well when I gazed at the Falls and realized nothing really can be done to alter that view. With my back to the couple of fabulous movie star type hotels, and the roar of the Falls in front of me, I no longer cared what had happened to the old trails through the bush, the rough roads to the gorges, and the little rondavel we called home in 1952. By guesstimating the distance from the lip of the Falls to the bend in the river and a little beach we’d lolled about on as teenagers, I think I even figured out where the old Vic Falls Restaurant had stood.
I never did get over to the Zimbabwean side which I understand became the tourist Mecca for the Falls when Zambia was out of favour. And I have never made it to Niagara. But if you haven’t been back for most of your adult life, never fear, they have not Americanized, Disneyfied, made safe, or done anything foolish to ‘our’ side of the river. You want to jump in? Go ahead! There are no sissy barriers to stop you. A new, little bridge has replaced the swinging wooden thing in front of the Falls, and for that I am grateful.
I spent only one day exploring Livingstone. I have read a little science fiction and now found myself the subject of an experiment in interplanetary time travel. I felt I was in a parallel universe close to but different from the one I’d left 33 years earlier. It was Livingstone but it was not. Like the aftermath of a neutron-type bomb the physical objects were almost all the same but the details had changed, their atoms rearranged and almost everything had received a little nudge in another direction, even if it was simply that it had not been painted in all that time. But by the end of the day I felt back in my own skin and ready to move back home and settle down!
Dear old Hillcrest High is well used, well attended and still very recognizable. Classrooms have been added and many wide open spaces have been filled. The athletic fields are still there and that sacred, slightly sunken square between the boys and girls hostels remains. Bless their hearts for not renaming the Rabb Hall although I am sure not a sole remembers Ann Rabb’s dad for whom it is named. The bones of the pool now lie dry, like the useless old elephant carcass we saw in Chobe a few days later. I’m sure it has been out of commission for years, if not decades. The Tuck Shop, that place out of site to Ada Warner but public enough to ensure that no boy or girl got up to anything more awful than a little hand holding, still stands. It appears locked and defunct but looks sturdy and ready to stand another 40 years. I had in tow my ever-patient daughter and Muzeya, the delightful, kind and also patient driver who carted us round town. It was a typical, hot December day and I could see that hanging out here too long would have bored them silly, so we drove off, through the gates, to see where I had lived, a few doors down from the school.
Finding my house was easy! The trees in the front garden have been rearranged and the sandy driveway seems sandier. I waved to the present occupants.
I kept seeing the houses of old friends and yelling out their long-forgotten but now remembered names to Meg and Muzeya. Next time I will take all day and walk these streets and stand like a dilly old duck gazing at the houses and recollecting friends, afternoons of fun, and hours of hanging around. It’s good to know it is all there and all I need is money and time to revisit.
I was surprised that the place of greatest delight to me turned out to be St. Andrew’s Anglican Church. As a border and a day scholar I spent most Sunday mornings in a back pew. Above the altar there remains the long, slim stained glass window. I always thought it was the loveliest work of art I would ever see. And I might be right! A benign, intelligent Jesus stands tall and kindly above a magnificent, full flowing Victoria Falls. In my adult life I have seen much of the world’s great art and many of Europe’s loveliest cathedrals but, dear reader, there is no piece as sweet as this single stained glass window!
It was Saturday and the Mothers Union was meeting. We accepted the invitation to stay for a service with 12 other woman. It’s hard not to sound sentimental about the a capella singing, the harmonizing and the joy these women generated.
Livingstone is a small town of about 150,000. I suppose the national statistics are true here too and the literacy rate is around 78% and average life expectancy around 37 years. I forget the staggering AIDS rate. Our stay was brief and all I have are impressions from one day of wandering around town. It is not a busy town, there are few if any old folk, the people are handsome, slim, and dressed well enough. I was ready for disease and rags, but saw none of that. English seems to be understood by everyone and kindness and helpfulness abounds. The town reminded me of a hand me down article of clothing, taken care of to the best of the recipient’s ability, well worn in the busy places, and fixed as needed.
The steps of the Capital seems to be the gathering place for loud, but good- humoured teenagers even though the projector inside had not worked for a few months. The Post Office is eerily the same as it ever was and the two banks continue to command respect. The shops along the main road now reflect the needs and income of the local population and the Excelsior, Oza’s, and the other shops are no more. The shop buildings remain but the contents are now meager and repetitive. I found an aged Mr. Patel who had been a shopkeeper since the 1950s but since he had moved from a shop on the back street to the main street, I don’t think we remembered each other, nice as that would have been. I think we saw one of the legendary ex-Zimbabwean farmers the Zambians have invited to farm commercially in the area.
Returning to Livingstone was in great part thanks to people posting on GNR, and especially to a few old friends that I never thought I’d find again and who have become occasional or frequent email buddies. Thank you, dear friends, known and unknown!
Cathrine Nelson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Washington, DC, United States Monday, January 26, 2004 at 00:21:29 (UTC)
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Northerners !
Something to get us back on the Great North Road
I was pleased to see Peter Bennett's Journal has been updated recently. Peter, if you drop in to the GNR on your travels I for one am really enjoying your magnificent photos and reports as you make your way across Africa. Look forward to seeing a lot more of your photos when you return to the UK.
Beth Lloyd brought along these photos for me when I was over at the Livingstone Lark in September.

Thanks Beth - I increased the resolution on the scans and was suprised at the detail in the photos.
Please drop me a line and I'll post the originals back to you.
Neville Cowan
I used to live at the second last house on Central Street at one time. I have seen an article or two in the Rhokana Reviews on the farm across the river. I will keep looking and post some up for you.

In the meantime I saw this photo, maybe it will bring back a memory or two.
Heather Knowles
I will drop you a line later this week re the scanning. Keep up the good work !
Birdbrain addicts
Waddle along to the headmasters office please.
Arthur
Hi Arthur,
A challenge by Bob Allan In Melbourne, a Drivers licence earlier than 1965.

Here's mine, please post at your convenience, BUT I have a licence to race a soap box on a public road in 1955.attach photo of my first drive!!
regards
Hilton Williams
Arty can you put this on for Bob Allan

Bob this one is a little older.
Arthur
Over Christmas whilst at home I was having a little root-around and came across a torn off piece of blue card to which I had stuck the receipts of each year that I played for the works Rugby team whilst undertaking an apprenticeship.

Turning the card over I was pleasantly surprised that it had been the front cover of an old exercise school notebook. I have attached and should you believe it may be of interest to remind the GNR members who attended school in those days of good school times and times too when one was in for it then please add to the GNR!
Kind regards
Bob Eglington
Finally overcome the technology and scanned in a couple of photos from school. (Yes it was Kabulonga School for Boys by then!)

The first is Max Rush’s class in 1967. Any ideas who is who? Note the sliding wall behind the group. Fantastic bit of architecture in the hot season!

The second is the Debating Society started by Doug (Bug) Phillips a Canadian whose father was advising the government. It was sparsely attended, mainly by Doug’s friends and family and by those guys whose bus home was later in the afternoon. Although there, very few boarders ever attended!
John Evans
Hi Arthur,
Someone during the month mentioned a circus. Here are a couple of photos taken during a circus performance in the 1960s. No flash was allowed and the light level was very low so the development of the film had to be forced.

The juggler was doing five things at the same time!
Regards,
Mike Wilson
Mike - what was the name of the circus, do you remember ?
Thanks to everyone sending stuff in.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Monday, January 26, 2004 at 00:17:38 (UTC)
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Neville Cowan!!!!
I'm delighted to see U managed to find the GNR and registrer as I recommended a couple of weeks back. See I told U that folks would come back with feedback. I too remember as kids with our parents crossing the Kafue on the pontoon when we used to visit you all on (if I recall) occasional Sundays. Do U recall we used to swim in a small pool built on a small kopie in amongst some rocks - correct me if I am wrong! My memory does appear vague these days. I also remember sometimes we used to all walk to the close plot which was near your parents place. I think they had a daughter named Helen!
To my other GNR friends sorry for the silence but family/personal matters have kept me away although I have been lurking. I have not abandoned U all & I apologise if it has appeared to be so as of late! Now that things have begun to settle down for me I will have more time to devote to the GNR.
Brian Geyser - pls give me a call one evening as we need to discuss matters ...... hee hee. U know what I am referring to!!!!!!
Johnny Green - good to see U are well and keeping these youngsers occupied.
Gary (Brasso).
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 23:11:13 (UTC)
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Sorry about the false figures below they should of course read 323,5 and 323,4 sorry again for frightening you all .
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 21:26:56 (UTC)
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It is impossible to run two different programs so for simplicity alone we will use the the 236 + version for which I have recieved two genuine entries one from Tinas household
236,5 and one from Lindas household 236,4, so keep thrashing them you never know maybe 400 is possible. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 21:21:43 (UTC)
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He's now taking the p out of me, so he's now banned till anyone beats his score.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 20:52:33 (UTC)
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Batting penguins
I managed to hit him 1215 metres.
If you go to http://www.casper.ru/temp/pingu3/?namn=422 you get the same game but with a bit more welly : ) The most I managed on the other 1 was 323 metres.
David Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bute, Scotland, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 20:34:26 (UTC)
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To Those Afflicted:
My other son, 16yr old Chris, wanted me to post this message to those of you hooked on the bleddy penguin basher.
"Allowing yourself to become hooked an an addictive and mind-numbing game such as this, shows others that you are weak-charactered and lead a life of insignificance. Making sure others are aware of your scores only serves to reinforce that you have little else of intelligent or intellectual content to occupy your mind."
He would have posted it himself.. only he doesn't want to take his eye off the penguin in case he misses the shot. Ha! Ha!
Alrighty then.. I'm going to tear myself away and take down the Christmas decorations. Whaaat??
Have a great week and for those who are thoroughly teed off with all this penguin nonsense, my humble apologies. You will hear no more from me... unless I beat the reigning champion, Master Smith.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 20:16:43 (UTC)
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My son (10) scored 324 with his very first shot. I've now banned him from penguins. (till I beat it).
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 19:46:20 (UTC)
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Have been away from the site for a few days whilst I move (temporarily) to London. I'm trying to help my parents move, and they have oodles of books. Some time ago reference was made to the site www.booksforzambia.com. Does anyone know if the site is kosher? I used to send books to the library on my sister's farm, but it seems the staff were raiding the library and sending the books to a second-hand book-seller in Bulawayo. I don't want to pay a fortune to send books to Luanshya only to find that someone else is reaping the rewards.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 19:26:45 (UTC)
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Re Upper limits of scoring on penguination. It's hard to tell if 323.5 is the top level. It's as high as I got last night. Really you have to try for a couple more days to see if anyone can go any higher since we don't know what limits the system is set for. 323.5 would be a weird place to calibrate it to......
Johnny I forgot to copy you on my last one to Tim last night. You should be getting it about now.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 19:13:30 (UTC)
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To all penguin bashers, I am afraid that verbal claims canot be accepted in the championship, any entry for them must be accompanied by a scan or verified by a witness that we reconize on the site if you dont possess a scanner then the witness must be over 18 years of age and understand the penalty for perjury, happy bashing Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 18:18:18 (UTC)
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Glenda Housley
I played soccer with a "Dendy" Zeeman in the early 50s.
I think he was at school in Ndola at the time.
He married Barbra Bennet.
Sadly I saw his death notice in the Natal Mercury about 18mths ago.
Hope this helps.
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 17:43:30 (UTC)
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Jane & Doron
Thanks for the abbreviations clarification.
Linda
My problem is not penguins, it is the free cell game. It has become an addiction. I am now on game 7925. With windows 98 I had some hope of finishing as there were only 32,000 variations. Now with xp pro they have bumped this up to 1,000,000 so I have no chance. Can someone tell me how to get the animation of the card movement to work in slow motion. This sometimes happens by accident and is much more impressive that the normal speed. By the way Frans has matched your penguin score of 323.5. I think this must be the highest that one can get?
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 16:51:27 (UTC)
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Ferraris.....
I better come clean......my new "ferrari" is a preloved pc that has come to our household........after having one that ran on 16megs ram ,no sound and being oh so slow taking forever to download pics from the GNR..I now have this beast that downloads at a blink of an eye.......I am now looking forward to more pics etc........and sound!!!
just one problem I had was a WORM !......took 3 hours of talking turkey with the techs at bigpond to find out that was the problem........now I am racing.
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 15:15:36 (UTC)
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PBA Meeting (Penguin Bashers Anonymous)
This to let you know that we are having our first online meeting at 2:30am tomorrow morning. Please try to drag yourself away from the computer for a short time so that we can join ranks to beat this addiction.. (grin)
Go on.. you know you want to give this game a try... oops sorry... I'm not helping much here, am I?
Oh, BTW, you don't actually have to click on the penguin or the batter to make them do their respective dive and bash. You can click anywhere on the screen. It is distracting, though, if you don't click on each of them as it gets your swing out of whack. (Pardon the pun). I like to keep my eye on the ball.. I mean penguin... so I can swing at the right time. And don't bother trying to find "cheats" that make the batter hit further, farther? fartherestest? I have tried every key on the keyboard.
Germane - perhaps I should jump into a croc infested river, or step into a mound of army ants to get this out of my system.
I'm off to church to pray for willpower.
Later, fellow penguinites
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 14:34:48 (UTC)
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Doug,
That reminds me By The Way that I hear that BTW has been injected into Billtong, with consequent demise of the naaitjie. I shall try to refrain from abbvs in future, but if you do look up the suggested site, here's a challange (get off that bl.. (which stands for...) penguin game, which now already has me hooked and dinner is burning in the oven..) and find out the connection between btw and vat.... (anyone? ..Do I hear someone from Amsterdam?).
Neville,
You have no idea how I simph(?) with you (Can't spell sympathize (?)..We were in our cabin at Mita Hills and in my dream there was a burning fire hitting me...The matebeles have this canny co-ordination that they all march up on you and the chief shouts 'BITE'.! and the whole lot from top to toe get you. I dipped my head into the "dirty dishes bucket', and three weeks later was still haunted by these hunters. That same weekend we were attacked by bees and all had to run into the croc infested waters and you won't believe this, we had cows grazing in our pozzie when we emerged.!!
P.S.
I won't tell the kids about the btw in the billtong!
Donna Jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 13:42:38 (UTC)
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Doug,
Go here to get meanings of all abbreviations.
http://www.cknow.com/ckinfo/
then click on the letter u want
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 12:16:46 (UTC)
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Tina............
The Ferrari is out of the pits and roaring.........
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 11:07:33 (UTC)
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Donna Jane
What does btw mean? Maybe brandy, Tequila, Whisky? New flavours for biltong?
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 11:04:03 (UTC)
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Hi all
hey thanks for the response to the farm over the river, when my dad built the farm it was raw bush and he was the first one there at that section of the river, he built the river crossing as well. I remember the Page boys as my dad would say, would use the pontoon and leave it on the wrong side of the river, The Holtshauzen guys Richard, Donny, Werner and Jasper also had a bit of fun with it which I found out years later in SA. The Hippos used to come up at night and eat the cabbages, I remember waking up at night covered in army ants so that was fun plucking them off.
Neville
Neville Cowan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woodstock, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 09:08:20 (UTC)
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Bernie Horton, how can my poor little battered penguin be causing hassles between you ? is it because Denise will not leave it and come to bed?
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 07:30:30 (UTC)
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Could someonebody please take the penguin away!!!!
it's causing problems
Denise and Bernie
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 06:23:01 (UTC)
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Tim
I equalled your 323.5 but haven't been able to beat it so far.
Good luck to all penguinators. Beddy byes is calling. Hopefully there will be an astronomical score someone has set up to chase later on today.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 06:08:31 (UTC)
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Pappy
I can definitely recommend Gerard's billtong. I am hooked every time I am in Zambia. The billtong that is. (I do make my own here,just as good btw but the kids when they are here eat it as it's being made!)
I shall also be in Kitwe in March and would love to join you and Gerard for a mosi or two. I am joining the 2nd ever ladies team for the National Fishing Competition!
We are still looking for a third person.. ladies anyone?
Johnny
I dare not attempt the penguin stuff after the Alert warnings. I must prepare myself for poor lines in deepest darkest Garneton. Can't afford to get hooked on that too! Good Luck!
Donna Jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 05:41:39 (UTC)
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And if you do get a higher score, print it out and scan it or otherwise save it to substantiate your claim. I have. Competition, it's the best! Good for you Tim. Watch out for flying penguins.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 05:30:04 (UTC)
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Johnny Green Penguin Alert!!!
Do not, and I repeat, do not go to this website address unless you want to be drawn into a totally addictive game of penguin baseball:
http://www.vickygsm.cz/public/penguin_baseball.swf
But on the off chance that you simply cannot resist, I will let you know that Tina Magee holds the reigning GNR member score of 323.4, while my 13 yr old has just smugly obtained 323.5. You have to click on the penguin and then when he dives, click on the batter.
BTW, it is not a link. You have to type it in.
You can blame Johnny Green for starting this addiction. I reckon we should string him up...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 03:57:06 (UTC)
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Hi all,
What an active forum! Hopefully someone can help me with some information.
I'm trying to find my brothers Walter Zeeman, and Leslie Zeeman. The brothers Walter and Leslie were born in the 1950's which would make them in their 50's now.
The brothers were both adopted in the 1960's by a family surnamed French. Their adopted parents were Douglas French and Olive Avis French. Olive's maiden name was Olive Leahy or Olive Laye? The brothers were renamed Michael Walter French and Robert (Leslie?) French. Douglas French was associated with the Nkana mine at Kitwe, Zambia. We have heard that this family later moved to Australia but cannot confirm this. We have done some searching in Australia but have not been successful.
If anyone knows of this family please let me know. Thanks for any help!
Glenda Housley (née Bays, formerly Zeeman) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Decatur, Alabama, United States Sunday, January 25, 2004 at 03:50:11 (UTC)
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Pappy,
Gerard is a member, and his Names Directory entry is here. Heather and I ran into Gerard in Tundwe (am I right Heather?) on the way to South Luangwa, from where he and a friend were coming.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 20:48:50 (UTC)
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Northerners:
Help a poor old lady with memory loss, please! Many moons ago, probably late 60's, myself and Bugs Da Silva (he was the one shaking and crying and kissing the ground afterwards... grin) were part of a stunt car show up at Kitwe Playing Fields. A team of stunt car drivers put on a show and asked for volunteers from the crowd to come and be in the car while it was driven up over a ramp to flip it over onto two wheels, and then driven like that all the way around the rugby field. Being the fearless maiden that I was in those days, I jumped forward and dragged Bugs with me. It was an adrenaline pumping experience for me (and a pants wetting experience for Bugs...) and gave me the same sort of rush as jumping off the cliffs at the rapids on the Muf road.
Does anyone remember the name of the stunt car group? I seem to remember they were called Hell's Drivers, or perhaps that is what Bugs was screaming hysterically all the way around the rugby field as he dug his nails into my skin. he! he!
Never mind, Bugs... I have it on good authority that you redeemed yourself eventually, and I'm still a fan of yours.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 18:39:17 (UTC)
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That place across the Kafue,were they the ones with the chickens,because the owns used to go on chicken raids at the weekends,after the Discos,the chickens were lekker,thanks to those concerned.some of the best chicken I ever tasted.ha!ha!
Where is Gerard Fagan,we used to hang out together,at the convent and Kitwe Boys.I hear he is the man to see for Biltong.I`ll be in Kitwe in March,so will look him up.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 16:15:51 (UTC)
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Helloooo Peeps
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. Ja I know, have been in"just now" mode (as all yous guys know this can take from 1 min to 6 months). Having lived in the UK for quite a while now have adopted a new saying, "Ja, yeaaah, in a minute" (this varies slightly from the above as the time limit starts at one min and extends to max 24 hours). Mind you, if one is being obstinate revert to the former!
As for the bickering, Chris Tamm - I suggest you "put a sock in it" - how long were you in Africa for? Six years was it? Apparently, this gives you the God given right to ridicule, humiliate and totally rub people up the wrong way - like a Ridgeback (it's a dog, Dear). Seriously, if you want to vent your political views on your "vast" knowledge of Africa go do it on an appropriate website.
ps: Did your brief visit to Africa enhance your career????
I rest my case -
TTFN
Gill
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 14:25:22 (UTC)
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Hi June
See your request for some photos of Kitwe. I have just been doing some sorting, and will send some to Arthur to put on GNR, most of the old familiar places, Nkana Hospital, the front of Central Offices which I think was the same road as Hospital, Nkana squash club etc. and a few of town. These were taken three years ago.
I remember the place over the Kafue, went across on the pontoon, didn't people by the name of Thomas live there as well.
Denise
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 07:02:09 (UTC)
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Mark McDonald, Andy Jones, Dorothy Anderton-Shuttleworth
Best wishes on your birthday
JUNE BOHL
I shall be taking my camera with me and shall try my best although I have an enormous list of thing to do up there and not a lot of time.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 07:00:00 (UTC)
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HEATHER...
If you are going up to Kitwe soon, please take some pictures around the town such as Regent Avenue, the old Department Stores, the Catholic Church,and the Railway Station etc., Arthur was unable to do so on his recent visit due to illness and many of us who were not able to make the trip would like to see these places as they are today. Thanks. June.
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 01:31:31 (UTC)
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Congratulations to Ali on her secondhand Ferrari.
A Surfin' Safari Ferrari even. Exit... stage left!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 23, 2004 at 22:35:04 (UTC)
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Neville and Jane,
Wally Dickerson was living in the farm over the river in the early 80s - I well remember the cable car, though it was not very glamourous! Good fun though - my young daughter, who was then at Kitana, enjoyed going over in it. Wally died though, and I am not sure what happened after that.
Hilry Wilson (née Cartwright, formerly Wright) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ayr, Scotland, United Kingdom Friday, January 23, 2004 at 21:49:17 (UTC)
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Virgin Atlatic fly to South Africa for about £350 return,and I here they are starting to fly to Vic Falls in Zambia,do not know the price yet will find out
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:43:22 (UTC)
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Doug (Zambezi Piel)
I'd be a bit worried about the crocs, if I was you!
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Friday, January 23, 2004 at 09:31:34 (UTC)
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Hi Doug,
Yes we went to Ponto Malongane just 14 kilometres north of the most southerly border of Mozambique, north of Kozi Bay.
You need to have a 4 X 4 or at least difflock to be able to get to the parts where there camping spots, etc.
You get across the border and then there are just sand dunes and a maze of tracks - pick the best one and it takes about half an hour to Malongane. Ponto de Ouro is closer to the border, but a bad road with plenty of sand traps. Ponto do Ouro is the place that the hordes go to - and there is a shop there as well as a restaurant. The shop was fairly depleted when we went there - by that time it was early January and
I think supplies had run out.
We stayed in a private house on the beach, comes complete with quad bikes. There was electricity and Mozambican staff to clean up everything and keep the gardens beautiful. Our party went scuba diving twice a day and there are qualified pilots to take you to the reefs on rubber duckies. They also have dolphin excursions where you snorkel with the dolphins. Otto was lucky enough to do this on his way to scuba diving a reef on the first day out.
This part of Mozambique is sparsely populated but every local we met was extremely friendly and all of them spoke pretty good English. These new resorts are providing some form of employment, but there is still a lot of poverty.
About 20 kms further north there is another diving resort called Ponta Mamoli. Here there are chalets and
a pub/restaurant and they are game fencing the area which has inland fresh water lakes complete with hippos and crocodiles and they are going to bring antelope and zebra in from SA. Here there is also stables with 14 really nice horses (Appaloosa crosses), so you can ride in the gorgeous coastal forest which is filled with birds and vervet monkeys or ride on the beach, which is great because it is deserted. (This resort is owned by ex-Rhodies)
They are very strict now about driving on the beach - no quads or 4 X 4's - which is great, and a welcome change from when we were in Maputo two years ago.
The border formalities were done with in a trice - but we couldn't find the Mozambique side's office, so carried on to Ponta Malongane and sorted it out on the way back, five days later. No problem, just a R30 fine. Also, no police road blocks in the area.
The only bummer was that there was no seafood available to buy - and of course no decent shops. I see an opportunity here for someone to set up a good shop there. The restaurants all buy their stuff from SA, and we were warned that there was little available, so came fully stocked. This is a pity because Mozambicans should be gaining something
from all the tourism. Luckily there was fresh, clean ice available - R15 for a small bag!
Hope that fills you in.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Friday, January 23, 2004 at 08:43:11 (UTC)
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Neville and June, and also Heather.
I'm trying to jog my memory but I have a feeling that the pontoon became a sort of cable car and the farm was run by Wally Dickerson. Their neighbour had a son called Troy (Page). I am sure that Cedrick Whittamore will remember, he has a memory to have no equal. I shall be back in March but hope that Heather can also help.
This also reminds me , Sandra Hooper. The photos of Garneton were sent by the photographer himself and sent. Gerard Fagan, do you remember him. Also a ver great thanks for the boerewors and bangers. Now that all have returned from varuois parts of the world, the braai is here on 5th Feb, together with band and whatever, Maybe skinny dipping in the pool, but a) it is too cold and b) I think that we may be getting too old for these things hehe. let's just wait and see
donna jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Friday, January 23, 2004 at 07:46:55 (UTC)
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James Overton
Best wishes on your birthday
BOB GILLIES
Don't believe everything you read in the press especially when it quotes details of how much maize is being produced.
NEVILLE COWAN
I should be up in Kitwe within the next fortnight. If you send me more details, I shall see what I can find.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, January 23, 2004 at 05:34:00 (UTC)
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Neville Cowan
I knew your parents Frank and Daphne in Nkana and also remember when they went to live across the Kafue River, way down Central Avenue,past the Pump Station, where they built a house along with gardens in the bush.That was before the mine houses had been built very far down Central street and it was still a bush road to the river.. We had close friends Bill and Joyce Curtis who in the early 60's also went across the River and built a house in the bush a short walk from your parents house. We would often go to visit, to do this we had to park the car and use the small pontoon across, always on the lookout for Hippos, which we did see occasionally.
When we decided to leave Northern Rhodesia for the USA we needed to find a good home for our childrens' beloved dog "Gypsy", a ridgeback mixture. We were so happy when our friends across the river offered to take her, she would have lots of space to roam in. We left in 1963 and while over here in the USA we got news that our Gypsy was doing well but missing our little boys, then we heard she had happily soon found the young Cowan boys close by to play with her.
Neville do you remember our Dog..?
I too wonder what became of the houses across the River and hope someone has news or pictures to share.
Where is your Mom nowadays.
June
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States Friday, January 23, 2004 at 04:26:53 (UTC)
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Bob,
That article in the Citizen is quite true. I notice a much more relaxed attitude whenever I visit Swaziland, and also when I visited Zambia for the Lark.
On top of that the weather is warmer too and they get more rain. I still have on my future menu, plans to built a home in Ezulwini valley in Swaziland and another in Lusaka. This way I can have a foot in both camps like the proverbial soutpiel with one foot in London and one in Capetown and something hanging in the salt sea. I will become a Zambezipiel, I guess. That way I can jump around if it becomes to cold weatherwise, or to hot politically.
A lot of people especially from the Piet Retief area and eastern Transvaal have holiday homes along the Mozambique coast, but I have not been there yet. Over Xmas virtually the whole population of Piet Retief ups sticks and moves to camp on the Mozam coast, something like the annual Boer get togethers of ancient days. They take skiboats, rods, caravans, micro-lights, servants, pets, braais, potjies en al. I must brush up my Afrikaans and join them sometime. A lot of them employ workers from Mozambique who go with them and this helps with the language problem and smooths things along. Fanagalo is widely understood but probably wouldn't be appreciated by officials.
Jilly, you have been down that way. How did you get on?
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 18:53:36 (UTC)
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Heather
I would love to do just as you say and throw caution to the wind but this year all my leave is devoted to Formula One and most of it is booked already! However I will definitely be at the reunion in Siavongo in 2005!
Jacqui
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 18:10:50 (UTC)
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Seems those BA fares are only good in February and March - pity....
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 16:31:16 (UTC)
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Norman, Here is the article which Andrew Kenny put in the Citizen. Although many GNR people are overseas it will let them see what we Northeners that came to South Africa to maintain our enjoyment of Africa, are facing. Frankly it doesn't bother me what the ANC does here or thinks of me. I am still a colonialist at heart and will always survive nicely in Africa despite their grumblings. Here it is:
One of the saddest stories of SA's democracy has been the exodus of white South Africans.
Since 1994 white people, some of whose families have been here for centuries, have fled. There are many reasons, such as crime and fear of falling educational standards, but I suspect the main one is they do not feel welcome in the land of their birth.
The ANC Governmant goes out of it's way to emphasise that it wants to see a reduced percentage of whites in skilled jobs and a reduced percentage of white ownership of the economy - which means it does not want whites investing in South African stocks.
Skilled whites feel demoralised. Their feeling of rejection is reinforced by ANC politicians who ceasessly preach that whites are privileged racists and that every problem has been caused by evil white colonialists or supporters of apartheid. So the unwanted white engineers, maths teachers, doctors, businessmen and investors are leaving for foreign shores. They go to Europe, The US and Australia. They do well overseas, making jobs and boosting economies but nearly all of them have an ache in their hearts - because they just love Africa.
They love the African people, the African scenery, the smell of rain on African soil, the sunset in the African bush. They wish they could live, work and serve in Africa.
Well, now they can. Some African countries such as South Africa and Zimbabwe, are doing all they can to drive out white Africans but others, such as Zambia and Mozambique, are welcoming them.
A hundred white Zimbabwean farmers, kicked off their farms by President Mugabe, were invited by the Zambian Government to farm there.They did so and have been astonishingly successful.
In under two years they have produced over 50% of Zambia's maize. While Zimbabwe is begging for food, Zambia, thanks to them is producing bumper crops.
While people in Zimbabwe face starvation, people in Zambia can expect decent meals.
White Zimbabwean farmers in Mozambique are having similar success. White investors in Mozambique's aluminium smelter have brought benefit to themselves and the Mozambique economy. The DRC now offers huge opportunities for white businessmen.
So, all you unwanted South African Doctors, teachers, engineers , farmers and investors, do not think you have to leave Africa.
Many countries in Africa will embrace you.
The Citizen is a very outspoken newspaper here with many good write ups and a very enjoyable letters page where you can say exactly what you feel and they will print it!
Hope this article was of interest, it was to me.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 15:44:21 (UTC)
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TIME TO THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND
If BA have this special offer, it's for nothing, especially considering the current Pound exchange rate.
So now is the time to add a bit of spice to your lives; time to do something on impulse.
So kick off those shoes and book yourself a ticket. If you do that, I'll organise another reunion. Don't know where yet, but somewhere in Zambia and within easy reach of Lusaka or Livingstone.
Now what date? OK - my diary fell open on the weekend of 9 - 11 July. How does that sound?
I'm keen if you are. Or are you all going to be boring and miss this opportunity?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 15:25:48 (UTC)
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Anyone interested in cheap Air Fares from the UK to south Africa..USA...
British Airways are running a one day offer for today, Thursday 22nd January. Return flight to Joberg...£299...Houston £199 etc.
This offer ends at midnight tonight..UK time.
For info: Tel: 08708509850
or book online: http://www.ba.com/specialtimethursday
Good Luck!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 14:59:44 (UTC)
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Hello Bill Knott,
Just read your post and then phoned Tony aka Baggins aka Pills and heard from She Who Must Be Obeyed that you were at the Bilboroughs last night. Tony has gone to bed early because of a heavy night last night. Hope you're similarly afflicted. I'll try and catch up with you guys b4 u leave BrizVegas.
Chris Waller [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 12:08:42 (UTC)
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Hi I was born in Kitwe in 1955 and was raised as a child on a farm over the Kafue river at the end of central street past the pump station where the Page Family were, My father was Frank Cowan who sadly passed away in 1989 with cancer, I would like to know who owns the farm now and if there are any photos of the place so I can see what it looks like now. my father built the place from raw bush, made the bricks from the ant hills and landscaped it with the most fantastic gardens, he even gave lectures on gardening to groups of people. we left in 1966 for SA, so if there are any who can enlighten me I would be greatful
Neville Cowan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woodstock, United Kingdom Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 11:04:59 (UTC)
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Bob Allan, Lesley Bilany, William Lebotschy, Bertram Michie
Best wishes on your birthday
David Hoyle
Sadly this is not an uncirculated note, but it is in good condition. And I only paid K 150,000 (approx. US$ 30) for it
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 07:47:40 (UTC)
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BILL KNOTT:
Give Bilbo Baggins (alias Tony Bilbrough) a kick in the a.... for me. No not really - warm regards to him and his charming wife Marie from Jabiru (me) and Karen.
I used to run H3 (Hash House Harriers) with him in and around Mt Isa 20 + years ago. Knew he had a Rhodie past- north and south.
Many pleasant Monday runs and On-Ons in dry river beds, The Overlander etc etc.
Tell him I met up with Sheikh and Oscar recently, also Shipwreck briefly.
In constant contact with Animule back in Perth.
Bob Allan alias Jabiru
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 23:13:22 (UTC)
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ARTHUR
In answer to your question (if indeed I am the "Bob" to whom you refer):
No - I did not attend Fred Knapp as either student or teacher.
I was too old for the former as I arrived at the ripe old age of 23 to work on "the mine" (NCCM) in July 1965.
Is it perhaps my pedantic style that shows?
Blame it on NBHS - "Boys' High" of Newcastle NSW and our esteemed boss Frank HAROLD Beard - now revered in Paradise! I still go to Old Boys' reunions every August.
For those from Old Blighty, we had an enormous Union Flag ,sent from our namesake in Newcastle-on-Tyne, up on the assembly room wall, with a cutout NSW flag centrepiece - a gift from the original Novocastrians back in 1906 or so at our foundation.
So there! I am a bloody Aussie with Rhodie/Zambo tendencies. Still a colonialist at heart, unlike most of Oz.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 22:53:23 (UTC)
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Zambian Radio
If you log onto the coppernet website you can pick up
3 Zambian radio stations. Radio Phoenix, QFM and
Yatsani....... Happy listening
David Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bute, Scotland, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 21:04:10 (UTC)
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In Brisbane, drinking my way up north along the coast in Australia, and dropped in to the abode of Tony Bilbrough for a barbie. You may recall him from the 50s at Gilbert Rennie and other scurrilous places in the country beofore he was chucked out and came to oz .
Anyone remembering him, scroll an email and surprise him.
Ha. I'm typing this on his computer as he gets tea ready.
Some life, eh?
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 20:48:38 (UTC)
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Johnny...
Here is another one regarding mother-in-laws..
A man was working at an oil refinery when a sudden explosion resulted in him suffering severe burns on his face. He was taken to a private hospital where he was told he would need extensive Skin grafts on his face. The surgeon told him that the best place to take skin from was from his bottom. The man agreed and after extensive grafting and a short stay in hospital it was time for him to be discharged. Before leaving he had to pay his bill. He was given a bill for £10,000. The man casually handed a Cheque to the receptionist. Before issuing a receipt she called him over and told him he had made a mistake..."the invoice is for £10,000...but you have given me a cheque for £30,000!!!! she uttered. The man looked at her, smiled and said it was not a mistake ... "the extra £20,000 is for the sheer pleasure of watching my mother-in-law kiss my arse every morning and evening"!!!!!!!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 20:02:16 (UTC)
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David Swan,
I just happened to take note of your address and now I understand why you are making this generous offer. I will see how many fivers and tenners I can find and let you know later.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 18:10:00 (UTC)
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Hi everyone
I am looking for ZITA & NEVILLE EVANS and ELAINE RICHMOND. Does anyone know of their where abouts. Please let me know.
Dale
Dale Fulton (formerly Seymour) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Nelspruit, South Africa Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 17:50:31 (UTC)
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Bank note collectors
I collect modern British £5 and £10 notes and am willing to pay up to 50 pence for them : )
David Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bute, Scotland, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 17:48:48 (UTC)
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Bob.
Including yourself, the known membership of GNR, Oman now stands at 3 and is still growing. Jane will have to be the President as I think she has been making the most noise re Zambia. There are strong ex African interests here in Oman from Lonrho's (Tiny Rowland) days so it will be interesting to see who is next to make contact.
Heather.
I don't wish to upset you but if your Zambian £5 note was in uncirculated condition (as issued by the bank) it would be worth at least US$2,000. I would guess it would still sell for the order of US$150 as it looks in very good condition but it is hard to tell from a scan.
All.
I have to go away for a few days to Bahrain on business (Ahhhh) but I will reply to all the emails that I have received when I return. It is obvious that the topic of currency is something that is near and dear to quite a few members. I am not able to comment on coins and stamps as my collection and experience is restricted to paper money.
I have been asked where can members sell old Rhodesian/Zambian bank notes and I will reply when I return.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 17:06:39 (UTC)
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Hilton, The 50 ngwee note was red. The last one I had was taken off me by my brother Ross in salisbury in 1970 as it was the only piece of paper I had in my car and he desperately wanted to roll a zol for him and his mate Benny. So up in smoke went my 50 ngwee. They got high and enjoyed it but all this non smoker got was a thick headache from the fog.
Do you realise that the anagram of mother in law is 'woman hitler'.
For those who can get the Citizen newspaper 20.1.2004 see Andrew Kenny's column. He is on about the whites feeling unwelcome in SA etc and leaving for other shores, it is very interesting. It describes many of the GNR people and their continued love of Africa. If anyone is interested I will type it in. It is a full column but very interesting and factual.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 15:30:52 (UTC)
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Have not posted for quite some time now, and would just like to say on beahlf on Grant and his family, thank you to all those who sent condolences when his farther Stan died in October 03. It was a really shock especially with us being in Kitwe at the time.
I never did thank Heather for organising such a great bash, and most certainly will be at the next one (in Zambia). It was great meeting some of the GRN members, just a pitty more of you did not make it.
Sue
Your wedding photo are lovely and I was just saying to Vivienne last night just how good you look. Wish you nothing but happiness.
Arthur
I have copied 2 Frederick Knapp School Mags which I got from Heather Keppie (nee Lester), one is from December 1962, and the other from 1964. I am going to start scanning photo's etc from them and send them to you, if you could let me now what the best format would be. There are some "short stories" and poems that I would like to include as well, I am sure that some of GNR members/readers will know/remember some of the authors, e.g. Bev Morgan, Moria Fenwich, Peter Bennett and Betty McCallum. The mags are really great.
Best wishes to all
Heather
Heather Knowles (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Boksburg, South Africa Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 15:11:38 (UTC)
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Hello Heather,
Count me in for the lurkers lark in Cape Town Feb 13. Drinking and eating in the sunshine is very appealing at all times. However in the depths of winter the appeal is somewhat enhanced. See you soon
Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 12:39:19 (UTC)
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Hilton Williams
Here you go

and also £5 and 10 shillings.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 12:18:16 (UTC)
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Hi Folks,
to pick up on the Zambian currency topic, I have in my mind that in the late 60s we had a 50 ngwee note reddish in colour ?? but then again I could be wrong!
Hilton Williams [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 10:00:12 (UTC)
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Jane and David based in Oman.
I have been following your postings on the message board and must hold my hand up, I too am in The Sultanate of Oman.
I first arrived 1984 and was one of ‘the engineers’ involved on installing new or extending existing diesel power stations at eleven different locations in Oman. Over the years, on and off, I have been heavily involved with 40 power stations in Oman some very remote in both the North and South of the country.
Muscat has changed a great deal since my first arrival and even in the villages that were electrified back then, they are now small townships. The changes in 20 years have been tremendous.
1970 I was sent to The Trucial Oman States and was there in December 1972 when it became The United Arab Emirates. It gave me pause to think that this Northern Rhodesian boy who attended Gilbert Rennie for four years and saw the birth of Zambia, also saw the birth of the UAE and part of the five year plans of electrification and growth in Oman.
I know a few of the Omanis here at site and it is surprising how many are from Tanzania. They soon know that I too am an African boy. Should have learnt Swahili and could then converse in their language!
Little did I know what life would have in store for me when as a lad hunting on my Granddad’s farm in the Choma area some forty years ago. Since May 1988 I have been based on an oil and gas complex at a desert location in Oman and the only time I hit the capital is to catch the flight to England.
Here’s a challenge, who can come up with the quickest time for a new passport. My passport needed to be renewed so I drove in to Muscat from Sur a coastal village 370 kilometres away and calling into the British Embassy obtained the application forms. Filling them out I handed over and the lady very kindly asked me if I could come back tomorrow. I explained that I was working in Sur and would it be possible to collect after lunch as I would be going to the office in Muscat for a meeting. That afternoon collected my new passport and drove back to Sur. That night I could have kicked myself for when I took out my spanking brand new passport my surname was spelt incorrectly. I simply could not believe it for on the application form each letter of your name you write into its own box.
This is my record to beat. Three weeks later I was able to make time to drive to Muscat and at the British Embassy I explained that my surname was incorrectly spelt. My application form was produce in very short order and double checking I had not made an error. I was asked to wait and twenty minutes later the passport with the error had been cancelled and I was once again the owner of a Brand New British Passport!!!
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 08:54:29 (UTC)
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Craig
Hmmm getting your licence current or the Lark? No contest!!! And besides with Heather's driving you were flying anyway. Best of both worlds.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 07:17:13 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, these are not up to my usual standard but there is a dearth of good ones at the moment but I think these will bring a smile especially to the men Johnny.
MOTHER IN LAWS
1.
Husband and wife were shopping when the wife said, "Darling, it's mymother's birthday tomorrow. What shall we buy her? She would like something electrical.
" The husband replied, "How about a chair?!?"
2.
The lawyer cabled his client overseas: "Your mother-in-law passed away inher sleep. Shall we order burial, embalming or cremation?" Back came the reply, "Take no chances - order all three."
3.
At the funeral, a priest was consoling the bereaved man: "Come, come my goodman, tears cannot restore your mother-in-law."
"Yes, I know.. that's why I'm crying."
4.
Adam and Eve were the happiest and the luckiest couple in the world, becauseneither of them had a mother-in-law.
5.
Have you heard about this man who took his mother-in-law to the zoo andthrew her into the crocodile pool. He is now being sued by the RSPCA for being cruel to crocs.
6.
Two neighbours were having a chat when one said, "I took my dog to the vettoday because it bit my mother-in-law." The other asked, "Did you put it to sleep?"
"No, of course not," said the first, "I had its teeth sharpened."
7.
My mother-in-law was bitten by a mad dog in the street. "Oh, that'sterrible" "Yes, it was terrible to watch the dog die slowly in convulsions."
8.
The president of the service club asked his new member, "Would you like todonate something to the home for the aged?
" The new member replied, "Yes, my mother-in-law."
9.
Wife: Dear, this afternoon the big clock fell off the wall. Had it fallen amoment sooner, my mother would have been hit on the head and badly hurt.
Husband : Oh, Damm! That clock has always been slow.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 07:16:58 (UTC)
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Ian Brooks, Bernard Collocott, Karen McKay
Best wishes on your birthday
David Hoyle
I have a huge bag of old Northern Rhodesian and Zambian coins. Unfortunately there are not that many notes available and those that are, are often not in very good condtion although I did pick up a Zambian £5 note about two weeks ago that was in very good condition.
Craig!!!
To think that I wouldn't know how old I was!! Or when I last had a birthday!! Just imagine!!
You're only lucky that last night I won some money at the casino instead of losing it all as I usually do. And then I had a good nights' sleep. Had I not, you could have, as Arthur says, expected the worst.
However, despite the 'gentlemanly calculations', you still have two strikes and the next one will be number 5 and then you're history. Or would you prefer the whip?
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 07:11:44 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Must have had some of those brown ales you seem to have had. I can't remember what I was going to say when I was obviously rudely interrupted by work! Make up anything you like.
Craig,
You're right. The Peakins owned the nursery school in Borrowdale. Sorry. It's all those birthdays piling up!
What was wrong with the 6.00am shot of you? Most of us look that way normally.
Ray Wright
So, you've been keeping secrets from the rest of us. I think coffee is in order. Ring me so we can fix a time.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 06:23:27 (UTC)
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Johnny Mulenga Green
Can you still do the two footbrush red stoep polish floor shine shuffle? Remember it must be done with rhythm, grace and efficiency. One of my favourite memories along with the happy face and attitude that went with the polish dance.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 06:19:59 (UTC)
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Tina,
Unfortunately not. At this point it looks like my choice was the Lark.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 05:51:14 (UTC)
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Jane Todd
It's a bit late now to ask whether or not I mind your mentioning my and Hilry's romance isn't it? Only joking!
And that email you intend writing is indeed long overdue. Get your bum into gear and let me know where you're at in your preparations to move back to Zambia - as you can see from recent posts on the subject, there's a lot of interest out there, and not just from Johnny Mulenga and Jilly. Looks like you could have quite a full house from time to time.
Sue and Paudie
Congratulations on your wedding, and thanks for explaining the circumstances of the two of you meeting up again after so long and for the super photos. As alluded to by Jane, Hilry (Wilson) and I are also in the process of getting back together again after a similar time span and it too makes an interesting story, perhaps even stranger than yours in some respects - but more of that in a month or two, when all will be revealed! Very best wishes for your future together.
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 03:29:10 (UTC)
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Yeah Craig - you renewed your licence??!! WooHoo!!!! You're setting the standard kid!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 01:43:10 (UTC)
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Red Faced
Bob,
This is where I would like to pull rank and erase all messages on the board from my gaffe onwards. Yes, 2000 was indeed a leap year. I was on the right track though, because I at least knew there were exceptions. :)
But I have been suitably humiliated, and rightfully so. Ouch!
Heather,
Your reward for me trying to make a fool out of you is that I have made a fool out of myself. So, on balance, you owe me for trying to make you younger. I believe Bob referred to it as "gentlemanly calculations".
Arthur,
How many Newcastle Brown Ale's have you had? Not sure I understood a word you said. :) And sorry, but my pilot's licence doesn't have a picture on it.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 01:10:38 (UTC)
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Craig, I'm sorry
I forgot, you said you had, an Irish passport.
Marilyn
And would you mind finishing your last sentence please?
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 00:57:20 (UTC)
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Craig
Nah - I was but I won't.
Oh - Ok I will then, tomorrow.
I'm more interested to see what Auntie Heather will have to say in the morning. Expect the worst.
Perhaps you'd better get up very late, When everyone's gone back to bed.
Oh damn - just a teenzie lil one - can we all see a pic of your pilots licence?
Bob - did you go to Frederick Knapp too?
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 00:34:41 (UTC)
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ERRATA!
Please correct to read:
"The only centuries to BE leap years... are those divisible by 4 "(remove the "not").
The examples were correct.
..me and my big mouth.
Bob Allan
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Wednesday, January 21, 2004 at 00:18:39 (UTC)
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CRAIG:
I in turn am shocked at your once-esteemed computing skills! 2000 was indeed a leap year.
Top marks to Heather, she is indeed correct about her own age, despite gaining a year over your perhaps gentlemanly calculations.
The only centuries NOT to be leap years are those of which the first 2 digits are divisible by four, as Heather says.
Thus 1600 , 2000 and 2400 are leap years, but 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100 are NOT.
This apparently is all because the astronomical year is not quite 365.25 days, and these are corrections to (almost) "get it right".
Oh, to be able to divide my age by four (almost )!!
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 23:03:11 (UTC)
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Virus
Somebody (most likely a GNR member because I am receiving the virus at my GNR address) in the UK (most likely in the general area of Brighton) who is probably a customer of Eurobell Internet and probably uses either Outlook or Outlook Express is bombarding me (probably unwittingly) with the W32.Gibe.B@mm worm.
Please, if this could be you, check your computer. If it might be someone you know, please let them know.
Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 20:17:36 (UTC)
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Heather,
I'm shocked! I would have thought that a leap-year baby would be aware (or at least remember) that 2000 (remember Y2K?) was not a leap year. I think the rule is that century years (or whatever they call them) are not leap years. Tut, tut! So you are a year (or four) younger than you thought you were. That's nice!
Are you sure you can count to three? :)
Sue,
I would have been happy to help lay floors... assuming I could get any sleep, what with the honeymooning couple being in the same house. ;) Looking at your pictures I wished I had been able to be there, but oh well. Thanks again.
David,
You're welcome. Not every new contact results in a marriage though. Just thought I should point that out so that you don't get your hopes up too high. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 19:54:31 (UTC)
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Norman Kenward
I don't know if you are a collector of banknotes but the 5/= note that you have shown is, in what I would class as VF (Very Fine) condition and has a market value of approximately US$ 125 which would certainly buy you a lot of Kwachas at today's rate of exchange.
All.
I was a little puzzled when members were refering to using a 5/= note as the minimum Zambian note ever issued was for 10/= but now that I have seen the scan the words Southern Rhodesia explains all.
If any other members collect or sell Northern Rhodesian/Zambian notes I would be interested to hear from them.
For the people who make GNR work.
I cannot believe the contacts I am now making through the GNR and I give the people behing the scenes a big hand of appreciation for making it all happen.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 17:26:04 (UTC)
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Tina I sent you 6 ems this after noon all returned?
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 17:09:40 (UTC)
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Sue & Paudie, Congrats from mee too. Chris and Hazel look great, where is Hazel's brother Colin? I remember their Dad Derek (motorbikes) How about photos of Pat and Dennis
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 16:18:40 (UTC)
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Heather you have achieved a lot for someone who isn't even a teenager yet.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 14:58:57 (UTC)
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Craig
'Ornery behaviour' - strike 1.
'Cockeyed way of looking at the world' - strike 2
You know what happens on the third!
BTW - I did have a birthday in 2000 (it's divisible by 4)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 14:41:30 (UTC)
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Paudi and Sue,
I love a good romance with happy endings. Great and wish you well. Ray and Hilry seem also to have a new romance (sorry Ray, not speaking out of order am I? - will write to you soon.)
Johnny or should I say Mulenga,
My reference to your eyesight was regarding the fact that you assumed my quote for starting rates for those newly employed by me was a mere K12000. I am not that bad! And I will double my first offer if you put on some rose tinted glasses that view me as 25 years younger and 5 dress sizes lower. I am however, worried about all this speculation and will stop until further notice for all these new recruits including garden boys. I am quite frightened of sharp knives and people in big ranches, I don't want to end up hanging in my own billtong room, or being used for leopard bait!
I will surely wish to take you out for a jar when we're next in England. Our visits to York invariably include a trip for some fish and chips and a pint. We nearly ended up in Filey, but decided Zambia was more adventurous.
Yours, Madam
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 13:00:28 (UTC)
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I also wanted to say thank you to Paudie for our dream wedding, for being the man of my dreams and for making them all come true.
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 10:55:17 (UTC)
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Arthur - thank you so much for putting the pictures up quickly - a matter of hours - must be a record... But then, you were just being your usual efficient self, hey? Thanks also for your good wishes.
Gary - thanks too - yes, lots of familiar faces... you were discussed.
Craig - shame you couldn't pop into Perth. We have a spare bed AND a couch but you'd have to help Paudie lay the new floors...
Tina - glad you liked... sorry I haven't been in touch. (Been kinda busy.) We're on-line again now and hopefully will catch up properly soon.
Marilyn - hope you had a lovely day... maybe Haze and I could meet you for a coffee at Hillarys.
Barbara (McLoughlin) Torrens - Happy-Happy from Paudie and I. Hope your day is wonderful! Where will you celebrate - Paris or ...?
Dave & Heather too - Hope you are well and enjoyed the fruits of your labours (our love story in pictures). Thank you again.
Happy (Belated) New Year to all we enjoy the GNR.
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 10:53:02 (UTC)
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Marilyn,
Yes, we are giving Heather a birthday this year; next month, in fact. However, because of her ornery behaviour it is her first since 1996, the last time she deserved one. It's not likely she'll build up enough brownie points for another one for probably at least another four years.
To answer your question about Pooh Corner -- yes, I have my graduation pictures (complete with cap and gown) somewhere, or at least, my parents do. Don't count on seeing any here; Arthur already claims to have blackmail material ready to be posted, and that very rare picture of me at 6:00 am was just a warning shot! Unfortunately neither I nor my mother recognise the name Peakin. The only name I remember is Mrs. Rocke who owned/ran the school. I do vaguely remember my graduation ceremony involving Cabbie and/or Clifford Dupont, but it was a while ago so my memory is a little fuzzy. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 10:18:24 (UTC)
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Heather Chalcroft:
Thank you for remembering our birthdays. I hope you get one too!
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 08:46:44 (UTC)
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Norman Kenward
Thanks for scanning in the 5/- note. It looks a lot better than the tattered examples that came my way! Come to think of it I can't fathom why I thought the note unattractive now that I look at it again! Maybe I never kept them long enough to have a really good look!
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 08:22:26 (UTC)
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Barbara McLoughlin, Steve Taylor
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 06:40:16 (UTC)
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Sue and Paudie,
Congratulations and thank you for sharing your photos and your fantastic day with us. We're in North Beach so perhaps we could meet you at Hillary's when we're all down there swimming.
Hazel Dutton,
Nice to see your smiling, pretty face again after so many years.
Tina and Alix,
Thank you for your wishes. I think this year will be great one, Tina.
Arthur,
Thank you for your wishes. Glad to see you back on line. Hope this is a good year for your.
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 04:16:43 (UTC)
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Sue and Paudie
Lovely couple. Wuvvvvley pictures. Happy Days!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marilyn
Happy Birthday. Make it a spectacular year.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 03:44:41 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue,
Thank-you.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, January 20, 2004 at 03:07:07 (UTC)
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Paudie & Sue!
Thanks for sharing your wedding pictures with us - looks like the day was a superb success for U both. Happy lives together my good friends. Great to see Chris, Hazel, Noel Etc looking so good too - my best personal regards to one & all.
Gary (Brasso)
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Monday, January 19, 2004 at 22:23:31 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue's Wedding
This is a selection of photos from our recent wedding. We met up again through the GNR on 20 January, 2002 and got married at 5pm on Saturday 27 December, 2003. The ceremony took place on the clubhouse jetty at Hillarys Yacht Club here in Perth and the reception was in the clubhouse.
There were 80 guests, mostly family and some close friends. Sue has three brothers here in Perth, all ex-Zambia. Chris and Pat Forde are married to ex-Kitwe girls Hazel Dutton and Grace Millar, both of whose parents and siblings also migrated to Perth. Other brother Dennis has a son and daughter born in Kitwe. My brother Eamon was my Best Man. So, many ex-Zambians and their respective progeny helped us celebrate our special day. It doesn't end there - the music was provided by ex-Kitwe musician Noel Daley and his band "Crocodile Rock". The venue was very reminescent of Kitwe's Mindolo Dam - but with bigger boats and real sea!
For us, one of the highlights of the evening was Eamon reading out messages of good wishes from so many ex-Zambians (and ex- Zims, Craig) from overseas. A large proportion were old friends and acquaintances we have reconnected with through the GNR, as well as newly made ex-Zambian friends. You were all toasted in the Toast to Absent Friends, Relatives and to our Parents (who are no longer with us). Interestingly, another GNR connection is that Chris and Hazel Forde, Eamon and his fiancée Sarah, and Sue and I were attendees at the very successful Banbury Bash in Sept 2002 in UK.

Paudie and his brother and Best Man Eamon waiting for the bride.

Sue and the bridal party arrive.
Sue's son James walks her down the aisle to her waiting Groom.
The ceremony in progress. The day before the wedding the temperatures were in the high 30's. Luckily a change came in the morning of the wedding - a bit cloudy but much cooler at about 25 C. As we said our vows, the sun broke through the clouds. Left to right: Sarah (Eamon's fiancée), Eamon, Paudie, Sue, Sue's daughter Jessica (her bridesmaid) and James. The Celebrant is out of shot to the right.
Walking back along the jetty after the vows.
Signing on the dotted line.
Photo session at the entrance to one of our favourite beaches. We had professional videographers for the video. The still photos were done by friends and relatives.
The speeches. Left is Sue's brother Chris Forde, who spoke for their father. Paudie's speech mentioned the GNR and its role in our love story. Eamon was an excellent MC and Best Man.
The bridal dance, to Noel Daley's band. It was quite special to get married all the way over here in Perth and have a fellow ex-Kitwe musician and long time friend of the Forde family, provide the music.
Cutting the cake. Instead of a formal tiered wedding cake, we decided to have something that really tasted good, and worked in a romantic theme. We settled on a trio of Cherry Chocolate Mud Cake, Boston Mud Cake, and Orange Chocolate Mud Cake, being both extremely tasty, and the trilogy symbolic of our Past, Present and Future.
Sue and Paudie dancing, with Noel Daley (centre left) playing and singing in his band.
Sue and I first met in December 1973, when she managed a rock band in Kitwe ("Paper Lace") that I joined. So for old time sake, I jammed a few numbers with Noel's band, while Sue danced to the music. Noel had a break from the guitar so that he could show off his frontman vocal and performance talents.
Chris and Hazel Forde, who helped us so much with preparations for the wedding, especially initially while we were still over in Ireland.
From my beautiful bride and I, a thank you to the GNR.
We will also post a link soon to a webpage with a more extensive set of photos for anyone who is interested.
Paudie and Sue Coughlan
With reference to Wednesday 14 January 2004 and David Gray's remark about the Southern Rhodesia 5/- shilling note being a most unattractive purplish colour.
Perhaps this will jog the memory

Norman Kenward
Paudie & Sue
Brilliant, Happy, happy photos.
My hope for you both is that the sun continues to shine on you for the rest of your lives.
Marilyn,
Happy Birthday babe.
I always knew you could run fast, but I'm way ahead of you, unfortunately.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Monday, January 19, 2004 at 22:10:05 (UTC)
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Doug Hall
After further glitches, finally back on line properly.
Thanks for letting us know about Manie. I've sent you a private email.
I remember him well from muso days. A mischievous sense of humour, always helped out us younger musos. I remember his favourite song to sing for formal gigs was "Blueberry Hill"
The first photo you put up was taken on New Years Eve 1971 at Luanshya Ballrooms organised by the Caledonian Society. The band was Mufulira-based "Muthers's Convention"
Our condolences to all the family.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Monday, January 19, 2004 at 18:01:45 (UTC)
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Marilyn......A VERY HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY TO YOU...MAY YOU HAVE MANY MORE.!!!!
Craig
Thanks for the link...very interesting reading...
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Monday, January 19, 2004 at 10:50:26 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Thank you for your birthday wishes. We had a couple of GNR members for lunch. I don't think I need to elaborate but we had a good time!
Now, what's this about you working for a new Madam? All the Madam's in Perth work in the Red Light Distrct. So, please explain. And I don't think there's too much wrong with your eyesight from the jokes you've been sending me.
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Monday, January 19, 2004 at 08:25:38 (UTC)
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Dear Marilyn Belated Birth Day Wishes may you live forever and may I never die.love Johnny.x
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 19, 2004 at 07:59:18 (UTC)
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A little difficult to decypher your message but if it means what I think it means I am thinking of booking my flight today,my visions of my new mistress, and I use the word mistress in the in the fact I would be your slave, are of a slinky model size girl, aged around 25 years but if you arn't Izigo Endaba as you remark with my eyesight I may never know what I have got, but whatever it is it will be an improvment on what I have now,but please dont let your intended cook know of our arrangement as she is pretty good with a sharp knife,
I remain your faithfull servant Johnny Mulenga Green.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 19, 2004 at 07:54:34 (UTC)
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Margaret de Lange,
I too, am having problems with your new email address.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Monday, January 19, 2004 at 07:26:14 (UTC)
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Northerners
I am not sure what has happened - I can't see the photos I have just posted and can't see what I have done wrong. Just hang in there until Craig has time to fix it.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Monday, January 19, 2004 at 06:58:17 (UTC)
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Penny Giorgioi, Debbie Stewart, Marilyn Noall, John Payne and Anne Bradfield
Best wishes on your birthday yesterday and Alan Pascoe for today
Arthur,
Herewith an old and a recent photo of Manie, who will be remembered by many
from Luanshya and Mufulira.
Manie etc

Sheldon, Charmaine, Manie and wife, June 2001

Regards,
Doug Hall
Northerners in the Cape Town Area
(or anyone who feels like joining us)
on Friday 13th February 2004
there will be a get together of all
Northerners who are able to attend in
Cape Town
The venue and time have not yet been finalised
but as soon as this is done we will post a message.
If you would like to attend or think you might be in the area,
please email me.
Margaret de Lange
Am trying to respond to your email, but it has bounced back.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Monday, January 19, 2004 at 06:52:20 (UTC)
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Johnny,
I am not so sure of your qualifications. On my offer you could get yourself an Mfazi sooner than you think, especially with your eyesight problems.
Donna Jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Monday, January 19, 2004 at 05:05:31 (UTC)
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Tina,
Well, it shows that the people on this site are all basically pretty fit and get the most out of life. I know that Aussies and Kiwi's like to travel but I still don't know too many people who lived such happy, carefree lives as we who lived in Northern Rhodesia did.
We had a our 'African' friends around for lunch yesterday and as usual there was so much laughing and talking happening. There were 18 of us and most with links to Zambia or Zim. There was the usual do you remember .... but we noticed that we're also talking about our experiences here in Perth. We seem to have fun wherever we go.
Ali,
I hope your lip is better. My stings are subsiding, thank goodness.
Craig,
Have you got a photo of yourself in your graduation cap and gown from Pooh Corner? I dug out Samantha and Adam's yesterday. It was such a great school. The Peakin's were real characters, weren't they? I hope you don't have to sleep on your brother's couch for too long. Good luck with your house-hunting.
Have a happy week, everyone.
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Monday, January 19, 2004 at 03:34:26 (UTC)
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Doug,
Yes, have been back for just over a month. However, I am still looking for a place to live and in the meantime am sleeping on my brother's couch and connecting via dial-up.
I am sorry that I haven't yet produced any literary work on my trip to Zambia, but I will. I did produce a minor monstrosity on my trip to Zimbabwe, but that was because I was so angry at a few things that I couldn't stop myself. It is floating around the Internet and annoyed (to put it politely) a few Zimbabweans still living there, but had the rest of us outside the country nodding our heads. For various reasons I will not publish a link to it under my full name, but if you go to a certain section of our links page and trawl around for links to Zimbabwe sites, you'll find it in only a couple of clicks.
As for the Names Directory -- as I keep telling people, it ain't broke! It just lacks certain features, and one of those is a complete list of the members which would take too long to download over a dial-up connection. I have no plans to fix this on the current site, but it is already fixed on a new version of the GNR which has been programmed by someone else with far more programming skill than I. One of these days we just might get that new site finished.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 22:12:44 (UTC)
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Dave
Good on you for keeping up the faith with biltong and castle. As you have probably seen the names directory is not working at present but with Craig back in Canada I am sure it will be sorted out before too long.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 20:08:15 (UTC)
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Bill I vaguely remember a boy been attacked at the Hippo pool but No name comes to mind and at a later date there was another lucky young man who just made it to shore after swimming in there with a croc in hot pursuit and it snatched his swimming trunks off his bum as he struggled ashore, the croc was shot the following day and the trunks recovered from his tummy a lucky lad. I was put on a case of a man who went missing from Bancroft and after a few enquiries we found his car parked at the Hippo pool, he was a heavy drinker and in debt so the possibility of him having done a runner was a possability, we searched as well as we could the pool but to no avail, and then one morning around 3 weeks later some one spotted a body, we went down to where it was floating and managed to get it ashore and the only thing that would have give us positive ID was the tattoos on both arms, when we got him ashore the first thing that was noted were both arms had been bitten off just below the shoulders every thing else intact but badly decomposed very strange and I used to think why not a leg, the verdict was brought in as Suicide.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 20:07:37 (UTC)
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Doron,
They are not called House Boy anymore,They are called Domestos,Because they cleen everything funiga lo.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 19:53:47 (UTC)
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New boy David just click on name directory in the right hand margin where you have logged on. Johnny.
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My dear Jilly I was only trying to get two strings to my bow as I thought I would have as much chance of getting pregnant as getting Otto to agree for you and I to share the Kia, (I wonder what he has got up his sleeve) but never fear all thoughts of living in the big house have gone my dear you know you are my no 1 choice and besides I have not seen a Pic of Jane, so relax let everything go slack Garneton here we come.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 19:37:38 (UTC)
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Doug,
Yes, Jane and I are in contact with each other along with her husband Jef. I think we are the GNR Society for Oman and we meet at least once every 2 months for an unbelievable questions and answers of, do/did you know/remember ... which goes on for hours and hours and hours...... but nobody gets bored with the same conversation over and over and over and over.
Believe it or not but in Oman we do get biltong (top quality) from our local stores (retail management in this area is being strongly influenced by South African personnel).
However as a bonus to SA retail involvement, about 12 months ago we started to be able to indulge in a glass or two of Castle lager and I have to say it is still the perfect nectar I remember in the Rugby Club and Mine Club of Kabwe over 25 years ago. ( I did have the luxury of tasting it for the first time since leaving Zambia when I was on business in Tanzania, 2002).
As a new person on the block, Is there a way of seeing all the names of members of GNR?
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 18:38:56 (UTC)
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Jorgen Petersen.
I noticed your Name in the new additions to the GNR Directory, but your e-mail address is a bad one and doesnt work. We were neighbors and friends in Nkana
in the fifties, you worked with my husband in the Locomotive Electrical shop...Please contact me, would love to hear from you.
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 17:58:06 (UTC)
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All GNR Folk
Anyone remember the crocodile attack on a young lad at the Nchanga Hippo Pool in the 1950s?
He & some friends were wading in a cove of the river below the hotspring on the west side of the road bridge.
Does anybody have the name of the lad?
I can add to the story.
regards
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 17:29:16 (UTC)
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Johnny,
That would be VaNcouver, not a new type of vaccine.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 15:41:53 (UTC)
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I remember when the Isreali army came to Zambia to train the masses for the independance celebrations.
Boy was that an eye opener for them. We laughed a lot at the stories of teaching a couple of thousand people to march in a straight line.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 15:40:30 (UTC)
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Jonny,
Vaccouver police dept, where they take only the info that suits their cause to get what they want.
lol
love
doron
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 15:36:44 (UTC)
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I just got an email from Vaughan Burgess thanks to this site, who I lost contact with in 19footsak, and he reminded me that it was my father Ephraim, Vaughan, my brother Ofer and me who made all the spears on the roads for independance day celebrations. I remember how the sharp metal ripped our hands to pieces. Some of my dad's accomplishments were also the copper roof on the anglican cathedral, the copper eagle on KK's office, and all the copper work at the inters.
Lynn, those bangles were probably made by me, as my dad was away a lot. Anyone, is the silver shop still there?
My dream was to open a jewellry factory here, but alas, bicycles, tents, canoes and rain gear are more what people want in this part of the world.
I did open a jewellry outlet in Salisbury called Argentum, which was very successful.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 15:34:25 (UTC)
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Doug,
With a bit of luck we will be moving to a huge 800 hectare residential game farm - some time this year - if we can afford to build a house! This will be in the Cradle of Humankind near Krugersdorp, so keep your fingers crossed for us! If it ever happens - you must visit for the house-warming bash.
Johnny,
Donna Jane has not even offered me a salary - just the prospect of sharing the kaya with you! I think I am going to have to do a serious re-think about my offer, especially as you seem so keen on sharing the main house with Jane, and I thought you quite fancied me on the quiet. Otto/Owen has no objections - he is interested in going too - as the garden and parks supervisor.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 15:02:18 (UTC)
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This is a message for Fraser Mathieson.
Hi Fraser,
I lost your email address and address, before moving to S.A. due mostly I think to you moving towns or something like that.
Please contact Mickey and I, we would love to hear your news.
Love,
Dawn Lukan.
Dawn Lukan (née Hudson, formerly Pietersen) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Midrand, Gauteng, South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 15:00:55 (UTC)
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Doron you suggest that Craig should be in the DVP, being a little retarded I do not know what the initials stand for is it a Sexual transmitted disease hospital in Canada? Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 14:44:47 (UTC)
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Dear Jane Your offer of K12000 per month is not all that flattering as some one recently said that the exchange was close to K6000 to one pound stirling which would give me a wage of around £ 2 per month I would not be able to buy an Umphasi for a very long time would I on a salary like that? but the perk I suppose would be sharing a Kia with Jilly I will have to give it some thought, you must not have any qualms on my ironing skills or any other skills for that matter as I can produce some very good references from previous Donna's who actually had me living in the house with them, they said I was to good to languish in a Kia and I can assure you I have not lost any of my previous verve, I will contact Owen and see if he has any objections to Jill sharing a kia with me and if he hasn't I will be in contact with you on my decision shortly Johnny Mulenga Green, House Boy Extrodinaire.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 14:31:24 (UTC)
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Mike Slement
Thanks for the info about Boet Swart. I did not know him personally but I will pass there on my next visit to Zambia. Besides watermelon did your ever get into any of his biltong hoard?
Talking about biltong our Seth Efriken scientists have made a great leap forward. They have invented brandy flavoured biltong. So now we can stop having to inject naartjies with brandy to smuggle alcohol into rugby matches.
Dave Hoyle and Jane Todd
I see you are both in Oman. Have you met. Have you started up a GNR club there yet?
Anita Blackman
Keep on posting. We love Malawi! I was there in 1959 with the Federal army and we sent Kamuzu Banda for a free holiday in Gwelo. One of our guys named Cilliers got drowned in the fast flowing Shire River at Chembe Ferry. We never found his body.
Heather
Great crocodillian pics! I was almost tempted to pass some remarks about lawyers conventions, but I remembered that my friend from Perth, John Steers, is a lawyer.
John Steers
Happy New Year. Let's see some postings from you!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 14:07:11 (UTC)
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Craig
Welcome back! Have you recovered from your epic safari? We await your postings about your adventures in Zam and Zim.
Glen Drake
I was just having a dop of klippies and coke and it reminded me of you. Ek wiet jy is a baaie busy kerel, maar jy moet take a bit of time of from California money-making and post some reports of your recent South African safari. I know you were not so impressed with Capetown but did you make it to the Game parks after our meeting.
Lynn
Best wishes to Mr. Nefdt. He must be quite ancient by now?
Jilly
You must move out of Joburg. Several of the smaller towns in South Africa are much more pleasant, and have plenty of room to excercise basenji's and other dogs. I guess business keeps you there? Here in Vryheid I can stand in the centre of town and see mountains to the north and south and open farmland to the east and west. It's about the size of Ndola and in the middle of the battlefields route, with all the old Anglo-Boer war and Zulu war sites all around us. Blood River and Isandlwana are not far away. Also Rourkes Drift and Kambula, and amaJuba the mountain of the dove, site of the famous battle.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 13:35:51 (UTC)
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Funny thingsthese computers, they have a life of their own, or did I press the send button twice?
Anyhow, I forgot to say that I liked the shopwrite story. Goes to show what can be done, and all those pikinins will not be able to cheat on their age, when it comes to that stage when one does!
If this appears twice, then my machine has definitely got it's own mind
regards,
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 12:44:23 (UTC)
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I feel quite honoured to have applications for jobs to work for me. See , I am not the only one who wants to go back even as a bembamatic!.
Johnny
How is you ironing? Don't want any nasty putzies now, do we? The going rate is K120,000 pm, plus a bag of Mealie Meal (I treat my staff nicely, no roller meal lubbish) and free accomodation.
Jill
Deal! But you will have to share the Kiya....
regards,
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 12:34:21 (UTC)
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I feel quite honoured to have applications for jobs to work for me. See , I am not the only one who wants to go back even as a bembamatic!.
Johnny
How is you ironing? Don't want any nasty putzies now, do we? The going rate is K120,000 pm, plus a bag of Mealie Meal (I treat my staff nicely, no roller meal lubbish) and free accomodation.
Jill
Deal! But you will have to share the Kiya....
regards,
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 12:33:46 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Alas, there is not even a little bit of space left in Eloff Street - I last was there in October - with Artie and Kathie de Lange who were on their great Southern African odyssey - after Larking about in Livingstone and similar such adventures in Zambia. The pavements are filled with vendors, beggars and homeless people and the street is full of hooting, tooting taxis. Oh, we made it back to my place unharmed, BTW!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 11:21:27 (UTC)
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Johnny
ooops I should have said I was lucky to be able to get stilts made for me so I could walk up and down the local pool.....
No not really the Maida Vale pool is very shallow with the deepest end being about 5ft........I am 4ft 11 ....some pools have walking lanes in the shallow end as well as swimming lanes.
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 10:22:23 (UTC)
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Hi.Doron,
Lionel Nedft is still very much alive and is currently our next door neighbour. His son,Rory is also here,married with two daughters. Next time I see him I will mention that his name still crops up on the board.
On another subject. I still to this day wear the two silver bracelets your dad made for me. Guess these may have been amongst the last he made here in Lusaka.
To all,
When they eventually get developed, I will ask Heather to post the photos taken on Boxing day morning of the Tornado that hit lake Kariba at 7am. It lasted for a couple of minutes and was spectacular. Most of the discussions that day centred around this phenomena, anybody else ever seen this?
TaTa for now
Lynn Szeftel (née Mayoss) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 10:03:27 (UTC)
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My dear Alix your story about you walking down the swimming lanes intrigues me did you use to walk until your hat floated and then don breathng apparatus to continue or did you turn and return the way you had come? Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 09:35:40 (UTC)
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Dear Jilly, there is usually a little bit of space down the centre of Elof Street, let me know which hospital you are in when you have tried it, Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 09:29:10 (UTC)
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Craig,
You missed your calling. You should be in the VPD, where you would fit nicely.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 08:09:35 (UTC)
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Jane
With your spirit you'll make a great life there.
Also from this site, good luck to Suzan Meyer and her son who will also soon be checking out various places to settle in Africa after a long, long absence. She has long said I could post this information for her. She will start by visiting her niece in Blantyre, and head by stages to south of Durbs where her son will join her to rent a cottage.
I hope now she will post herself and ask a few questions.
Johnny you come out with these little gems of stories...
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 08:00:52 (UTC)
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Jane,
Wonderful news, do you need a cook? Johnny can clean up after me!
Talking about there being a Shoprite store in Zambia, I came across this in the Farmer's Weekly, 26th December 2003 -
Large South African businesses present both challenges and opportunities to small farmers in other African countries, Prof Francis Chiguntza of the University of Zambia said at a recent conference on successes in African agriculture in Pretoria.
"Recently Shoprite Checkers opened a shop in a village in eastern Zambia. Before its arrival, people there were growing vegetables for the local Indian-owned shops. Shoprite wiped out that livelihood overnight," Chiguntza said.
The farmers then sent a representative to Shoprite and convinced the company to work with the local NGO's to build farmers' capacity so that they would be able to
supply Shoprite with fresh produce. Now Shoprite is the biggest buyer of farmers' produce in the area.
"If you go to that village now, don't be surprised to find children called 'Shoprite'. That is how happy people are now with the company," Chiguntza said.
PAM SMILLIE,
Where do you walk your dogs? Our basenjis need plenty of space and it is difficult o find 'dog-friendly' space in Joburg.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 07:31:09 (UTC)
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Killing Two Birds with One Stone
As much as I know some of you would love to read some symbolism into the title of this message, this is nothing but a public service announcement in the interests of helping people recognise three things when they see them on this message board. One is hypocrisy, another is irony, and the last is, to quote one member, "childish personal attacks".
First, a few examples of "childish personal attacks", with the original spelling and grammar left intact:
J.R.A Green, you can bite me too.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ] Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 09:30:16 (UTC)
I'm sorry Ken, i never saw "this must be a typo" you old decrepid joke of a human being, that is no typo. Sorry my name ain't John.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ] Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 02:33:38 (UTC)
Ken, Ihave no idea who you are, so you can bite me.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ] Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 01:35:29 (UTC)
Now, an example containing both hypocrisy and irony:
<<snip>> I merely made an observation recently, and that led to childish personal attacks against me. I have never once attacked anyone here, and don't deserve any of the shoddy treatment which I received. <<snip>> Like someone just said, every point of view should be at least heard, without some retard taking shots. Please believe me, I am well able to hold my own in regards to personal attacks. I just don't want to go there.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ] Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 00:23:49 (UTC)
(Emphasis added, probably unnecessarily.)
This has been a public-service announcement. Thank-you for your attention class. Y'all have a nice day now, y'hear!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 07:28:58 (UTC)
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Doron a house boy is a cross between a brain surgeon (if he originates from the Congo) and a ward orderly, and if he is one of the standard 6 house boys that was produced in those days he could now be a professor of any thing he chooses to be, but there job is still the same as it was forty years ago when I hired my first one a brilliant young lad who robbed me blind whose name was Moses and with a name like that me being a christian took advantage of his faith challenging him with the thefts ,of which he would always first deny ,until I came back with my trump card, which was ,come Moses tell the truth and shame the devil, and he who must have been to a mission school used to confess immediately and had the amount deducted from his weekly salary, but I digress the job application which was always delivered on your door step was, Meena Funna Gaza Lo Kia Kawaina Bwana which I would suspect that you know allready, is exactly that a house cleaner, hoping I have contributed to your education I remain I hope your friend, Bwana Green.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 07:01:27 (UTC)
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Tina.
I put my hand up to a "whenwe" regarding running, up until 5 years ago I was power walking and running over 120 kilometres a week.and also 3 years ago going to the gym and doing weights and aquaerobics... I even went to the local pool and just walked up and down lanes.....oh and before that when in my army days running half marathons once a week was the norm....I wish I had the fitness I had then..ah well..I should really get off my posterior and start walking again...
Heather Thanks for your posting regarding Crocs....they really are a facinating animal...the one thing that interests me is that they can never ever be tamed.......as cute as they are, they even hatch out of their eggs with an attitude......
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 01:54:32 (UTC)
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wut is house boy?
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Sunday, January 18, 2004 at 01:17:50 (UTC)
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Dear Donna Jane Todd do you want a house boy when you set up in Garneton? Johnny Mulenga Green.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 22:14:31 (UTC)
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Heather,
I have actually made contact with Maureen Flanagan. She was told I was looking for her last year at a memorial for her brother. Sorry - I keep meaning to take her name off the "looking for" list!!
Still looking for Rhoda Clark though.....
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 19:56:25 (UTC)
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Bridget - I enjoy and admire your postings enormously.
Yeah it is always one option to "let Hitler have the Sudetenland". But I bet we won't like the results. (Nooooo I'm not calling him Hitler!!!! It's an analogy!)
Anyway enough of that.
Pam that sounds idyllic!!! You and your sister Pat always were athletic. What are your dogs? Any chance of sending Arthur a photo and not just of fly fishing? I bet you have some spectacular ones.
Noreen Ottawa Marathon? You GO girl! Maybe if you remind us some local GNR'ers might be free to root for you or meet you afterwards to celebrate.
Marilyn you see what interesting stuff your exercise comments have led to?
I've been asked if anyone remembers Kay Mott who went to Lusaka Convent. Anyone in contact with her?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 19:04:58 (UTC)
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Hi David and welcome I am very pleased that my introduction to GNR has been successful and I am very pleased to hear that you have been able to contact some old friends. (we must stop meeting at al fair..)
Heather, thank you so much for all your ideas and help on matters, whatever, on this sight. I love reading all the interesting items of interest of Zambia . And also all the contributions from members with great and fond memories, including the sadder ones.
to all,
I am sure that I am not the only one of the, maybe it could be called, the new expatriates. During the 70's many of us joined Zambia, away from whereever your home was We too enjoyed a very special experience and friends became families. We also learnt to cope and respect the problems that Zambia was going through. The ones who stayed still love the country as it is as they did what it was. I was there from 75 to 91, my two eldest children were born in Luanshya in the early 80's What we and the children leart was a compromising society and the humble knowledge of call it perhaps third world conditions. However the result has been that we appreciate what we had.
And so we still do. I entered into a culture shock going to Oman and had to stop myself from buying a dozen packets of butter, kilos and kilos of flour and what ever there was on the shelves. And I now look at the enourmous amount of waste, packeting, plastic bottles, and a country, although I love it very much and have had a great living experience here, that is totally dependent on expatriates to clean the mess up and also the do all the menial jobs that nobody else would touch.
I love this country and it breaks my heart to see how modern life has changed it over the years.
Zambia so far has surpassed this transition by employing locally, and after a stay away for 10 years I have found that Zambia has got it going the right way. I never imagined that there was a shopwrite, (10 different types of loo paper) a boost in tourism and farms being occupied again with the governments permission by ex Zimbabwians.
When we left there was a black currency market and for those like us had to pay 'lots of dosh' to be able to buy anything overseas. Duty free shops went up for those who could use them but what happened to to local Zambian. Mealie meal riots
Now you can take and use dollar as a norm. The facilities, as the members of the Livingstone Lark will have seen are superb. Local Zambians are being employed in restaurants etc., and I have noticed an increased in 4x4's and other cars in very good order and the Zambians are geared up in excellent clothes.
That there is still a poor community, look at some of the first world countries..
When I worked in Zambia I was involved with the 'controversial' business of game hunting. As soon as this was banned and the professional hunters were no longer in charge, poaching was rife. There was no more incentive to look after their 'possie' Licence control at chilanga went to pot and it was a free for all.
I have a lot of feelings for Zambia, and in my own way would like to be there to encourage some faith back.
If it wasn't for the likes of us as friends of Zambia, there would be no friends at all to when we....
We have actually decided to return to Zambia, our home will be in Garneton, and as soon as we are established we will let you know if the guest cottage is available.
Jane
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 18:51:37 (UTC)
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Tina you asked if there were people who exercised well I am one of those mad hatters who just has to exercise to keep sane. I enjoy road running , having run 4 Comrades but only 1 Two Oceons --running that race you experience all 4 seasons in 5 hours. I also ride my horse daily. Our mountain bikes are used on game farms because it is too dangerous to ride on the roads.
Saturday and Sundays we walk our 2 dogs in the hills . These 12 K walks through the high veld bush are done in all types of weather ,both dogs know what day of the week it is and demand their exercise. This bush is totally different from the bush you get in Zambia because of the altitude and also the very cold and dry winters. I also enjoy fly fishing . Well Tina as you can see I am a mad hatter!
Compliments of the season to everyone
Pam
Pam Smillie (née Christie) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 17:52:48 (UTC)
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For those of you interested in putting old photographs onto a CD....
Our local Wallmart has a deal this week to put 40 photos on a CD for $4.99can = $4US. They are put on as JPGs. Regular price is $6.99can. Twenty minute service.
All photos must be the same physical size (I guess the photos are put in an automatic feed hopper) but with a bit of good Broken Hill learned grovelling they will feed in different sizes.
I am sure prices will be similar in North America.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 17:27:09 (UTC)
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Thank you Heather for making the time to check out the names I (and many others) submitted to make contact with friends of long ago.
Although the GNR membership is relatively small numberwise, I find it incredible that in such a short period of joining (6/8 weeks) I am already contacting people whom I last saw some 30 years ago.
You are correct Tweedie was in Kabwe last year (Rotary visit) with Jack Wardell also ex Kabwe.
Once I sort out how to send the photographs I have of Kabwe taken early 70's I will do the necessary.
I live in the Sultanate of Oman (South of the Arabian Gulf) and photographs of the region are shown on my website www.davidphotoman.com
David Hoyle
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 16:37:06 (UTC)
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Ada Daly
Best wishes on your birthday
Northerners
Last night I was taking a look at the 'Looking for' section of the Names Directory. I don't have the energy (or time) to contact each of you individually, but think I may be able to help, but may need some clarification. Please let me have your email address so that I can pass it on to the people concerned. I have also assumed that since their names are still on the list, you have not yet made contact with them.
Yunnus Badat - is that Neil Taylor who was with Neon and General?
Colin Best - last I heard, Andy Legg was still here although I am not absolutely sure how to contact him. However, I shall try to track him down.
Bridget Billany - Maureen Flanagan is one of my 'extended family'. I may be able to get an email address for her or at least for her sister.
Timothy Brubaker - I received an email from a David Bland the other day - he might be the same one you are looking for. You are also looking for Ian Chesterman. He married Mandy Charbonnier. If you take a look at the 'looking for' section, one of the Charbonnier's is listed there and you can contact her through the 'send e-mail' facility.
Bev Chauhan - did Cokie Sesia have a sister by the name of Valerie?
Leslie Clapp - is the Desi Sharp you are looking for the son of Des and Dee Sharp who owned the Avery Scale agency?
Noreen D'Cruz - I know a number of Kalidas' - they are probably related to the two you are looking for.
Helen D'Cruz - I haven't forgotten about the Fusco's and will try to speak to them this weekend. Also, I think Kiran Ranchhod is still here. I also know a Doris Mwanza.
Quentin D'elboux - can put you in touch with one of the Samaras'
Philip Dacre - Keith Coventry is in Mazabuka and can be contacted by email.
Martin Evans - is that Tom Reeves from Mazabuka?
Leslie Andrews - you are looking for Ali Watson. If you look in the 'Looking for' section, Ali Watson (ex Lusaka) is there.
John Armes - George Absalom and Grant Knowles are both GNR members although seldom (if ever) post. I cancontact them for you.
Kathleen Fedouloff - if Chilufya Kapepwe is Simon's daughter I think I can find her. Also, was Christine Garner from Mazabuka?
Jonathan Fisher - Ignatius Milner
Billy Gibson - I do know a Brian Jacobs (Lusaka). Let me know if it could be the same person.
Alistair Gordon - I think Keith Kenmuir is still here although I have not seen him for close onto 20 years.
Boet Greeff - I have an email address for Jim, Drew Buchanan's brother.
David Greenslade - Paddy Roberts - is he the son of John Roberts who was a Federal MP?
Len Hall - Ian Ferrier
Sian Halsall - I did know a Stavro family from Mufulira although the parents have both now passed on. I think their daughter's name is Katie.
Cynthia Halvery - there is a Peter Mostert here who has been here 'forever'.
Bruce Henley - Theo and Ronnie Goveia
David Hoyle - I think I may have met Tweedie last year if he was ex Kabwe and am sure we can contact him
Noddy Jackson - Ken Barron
Phil Kemp - Howard Glasspool
Gaynor Krause - which Cartwright family?
Shauna Lendrum - Darryl Siddall
Ian Lesch - Gerard Fagan
Ashik Mathews - Claire Powell from Kasama?
Angela Nutt - Margaret Landsberg, Irene van Eck, Zoe Longridge
Cathryn Obst - Siobhan McDonough
Meg Rybicki - Ruth Jellis
Charles Skinner - I know a Costa Piredes who is in Jo'burg. Somewhere in the back of my mind I have it that he was from Zambia.
Richard Sutherland - Lindsey Pierce
Shelly Taylor - Billy Mulders
Jane Todd - Austin and Chris Wienand
Alister Watson - Guy Blachford
Nick Wells - George Grebesz
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 15:14:28 (UTC)
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I do not object so much to WHAT Chris Tamm says but THE WAY he says it. All of us have views and opinions and should feel free to air them, but Chris manages to make it belittling and spiteful and it can come across as racist as well. Perhaps the best way to deal with him is not to ban him but just to IGNORE him. I'm sure that would be far worse for him, as I know from coming across people like him in the past that he'll be loving all of this!
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 14:03:44 (UTC)
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Skip things that don't interest us, yes, but aren't we doing the King's New Clothes thing when we skip over those very few messages that make most of the GNR uncomfortable and resentful?
Glib, Tamm but you take racist potshots nearly every time you post. Characterize it any pretty way you want but it speaks for itself and it's all there in the Archives.
If you are that arrogant that you don't care what the majority thinks and continue to be scornful and inflammatory how are you an asset here? Do you really think your attitude is smarter and more enlightened than everyone else's? Requesting basic tact and courtesy around eachother isn't invoking George Orwell's Animal Farm!
It'd be nice to enjoy your presence but how do we need to hear someone who has to declaim loudly, proudly and often in various ways on our site that they refuse to attempt to move in peace between our African past and the present and that the rest of us are idiots for making that attempt?
You fight jeeringly disrespectfully. No request or reasoning makes you modify your tactics or admit offence. The only thing you are gentle with is describing your own motives "to which we overreact."
You are one, we are many. Is it really likely 90% of us are overreacting to you? Or could it just be that you are the one at fault. How you must sneer at us. How you DO sneer at us even in this last message of yours.
The rest of us are pretty respectful of the good of the site and eachother.
Folks we haven't defined it well. It's not so much that we want everything we talk about to be sweetness and light as that we don't want a descent into bitterness and the more arrogant pre-Independence attitudes and divisions. Because Tamm like knifings occur we are possibly a bit sensitive to the odd gloomy comment and someone will go - "oh no not another fight...don't GO there! A vested stirrer will pop up and turn it into a free-for-all". Doron really has to blame for his woes the way we have allowed the tactics of disgruntled guerrillas like Chris Tamm to get to us and wind us up.
We worry how we would victimize Chris Tamm by revoking his posting rights. We keep hoping he is the innocent he says he is and he'll stop sticking his knife in. Man I wish he would! But he never does and as he says he is not going to now. So now the question is, is it intelligent to let such play cat and mouse with us indefinitely? Should we allow our relative harmony and ability to discuss diverse topics peacefully to become victim instead? Do you invite burglars into your home? Why should someone burgle our peace and dignity? How is this type of circumstance different.
Actually Chris I have nothing against you personally but everything against your hateful attitudes. I'm unwilling to let you get away with your act again.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 09:14:59 (UTC)
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Some interesting facts:
Elephants are the only animals that can't jump. (That's because basketball is just not their thing)
A crocodile cannot stick its tongue out. (That's because it normally has a body in its mouth)
The ant always falls over on its right side when intoxicated. (That's because it snores when it sleeps on its back)
An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. (And its neck is so long because its head is so far from its body)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 05:49:01 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies:
I larfed my head off at the sand in the stocking stunt. I was thinking "how stupid can you get" .. meaning the cops who were momentarily fooled, but I have to confess that it reminded me more of how I chased a car down a main highway in Austin a number of years ago. I was taking one of my boys to a gym and this car came tearing around me at a very fast rate. I looked over just in time to see a leg sticking out of the boot, and got the shock of my life. There had been some abductions in Austin a few weeks before that, where the victims had been locked in the boot of the car and the car was driven into a water filled quarry, so I was determined to rescue this poor soul before they landed up with their throat slit. I took off after the car and soon we were speeding dangerously through the traffic, weaving in and out. They somehow managed to stay just far enough in front of me to where I could never really tell if the leg was real or not. I knew they knew I was following them, so the chase was on. My son began to scream that I was going to kill the lot of us, but I knew my racing technique had been well honed in Zambia (chasing other boys... he! he!). I finally caught up with them, about 15Kms the other side of Austin at a petrol station. When the two teenage boys got out, casually opened the boot and one of them slung the stocking-leg over his shoulder and they both sauntered into the shop, I know that they must have been laughing their heads off at me. I felt very foolish, missed my son's gymnastics lesson and decided that I would leave the police work to the professionals after that!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 05:14:08 (UTC)
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Doron posts:
I think that I have been somewhat misunderstood.
I merely made an observation recently, and that led to childish personal attacks against me.
I have never once attacked anyone here, and don't deserve any of the shoddy treatment which I received.
It is curious to me how so many GNR's can be so overly sensitive. A mere "Boo to a Goose" type comment draws all kinds of irrelevant responses about racist, vicious, negative, unhappy etc. etc. and then threatening to "Ban" the contributor. (The South African government used to do that until 1994.) I do not recall anyone in Northern Rhodesia/Zambia being so sensitive?
I also believe that Doron was misunderstood. But hang in there - there are some brilliant postings here. Heather's Sinazongwe story is platinum gold with diamond studs. These gems pop up regularly, and it's worth the regular "misunderstandings".
Just for the record, if anyone posts any blatant untruths about our old homeland, or whines about where they are now and would like to return to Zambia, I will say what I believe to be appropriate. I do not care if those folks are black, white, or any shade in between. Race is never an issue with me. Funny though, that when I respond to Zumla, Mulenga, or Puta Checkwe, I am labelled a racist, but when I respond to Cooper, Grewar, and others, I am not?
Cuppa tea anyone? I have some fresh Rooibos and Marie biscuits.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 03:11:27 (UTC)
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Your Pappyness,
I'm totally chilled, thanks, and happy new year to you too.
Alex Mcneill phoned me out of the blue a few months ago. It was really great to hear from him.
What's going on with you?
Do you ever get to talk with Andy, or anyone we know in UK?
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 02:42:14 (UTC)
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northerners,
I think that I have been somewhat misunderstood.
I merely made an observation recently, and that led to childish personal attacks against me.
I have never once attacked anyone here, and don't deserve any of the shoddy treatment which I received.
If you want stories about Zambia, all well and good, but unfortunately there were experiences that were unfunny to the extreme, and I have some that peel paint.
They are nontheless experiences of the past spent in zambia, and I don't see why every story here must be rose coloured in order to make it interesting.
Like someone just said, every point of view should be at least heard, without some retard taking shots.
Please believe me, I am well able to hold my own in regards to personal attacks.
I just don't want to go there.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 00:23:49 (UTC)
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Doron,
Just thought I would look in on the G.N.R.and see what was happening,was shocked to see that you don`t know how to chill any more.Have you ever thought that one day when you and I are very old and smoking our pipes on the front porch,while rocking in our rocking chairs,like we always use to say,that all we will really have left are our memories.would it not be Sh1te if we lost our memories,what would we have?Chill Bro.
Oh, happy new year mate.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom Friday, January 16, 2004 at 22:14:21 (UTC)
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I am just catching up on several day's worth of postings so I apologise for returning to what is probably a 'closed' subject. In my line of work I have been subjected to years of 'Emperor's New Clothes' type brainwashing on equal opportunities, political correctness etc etc. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work on me and I continue to make my own observations and draw my own, sometimes controversial, conclusions. As a recent member of the website I know I have missed years of postings from Chris Tamm and there is obviously a history of which I am unaware. However, whenever I have read postings from him I have always felt that I would like to know more about his views and experiences and his comment that he 'left Zambia never to return'. Why?
The world would indeed be a bland and boring place if we were all happy, fluffy bunnies so give the guy a break. Besides, like Peter Dielissen I love other people's opinions, especially when they get my blood pressure going.
After my idyllic childhood in 'Utopia' I was prompted to leave Zambia by a couple of very hairy experiences. I have never regretted leaving and had never given any thought to returning. I regretted my lost past and was very pleased to be able to reconnect with it through the GNR and Mufulia websites. It is only recently, thanks to the websites and especially to Heather's brilliant and enlightening postings and photos, that I have once again thought of Zambia as a place that could be visited and even lived in.
Lesley Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Horsham, West Sussex, United Kingdom Friday, January 16, 2004 at 21:58:08 (UTC)
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Hi GNR’ers - This is a wonderful site to share our nostalgic memories. We were young and carefree and experienced what our children growing up in this part of the world can only imagine.
Heather your photos are GREAT. I remember vividly going on picnics to Sinazongwe in the 60’s, but I don’t think the croc farms were around then.
Tina, I am very much into running (since I retired from squash a few years ago due to wrist injuries). Ran the Toronto Marathon in September 2003. Hoping to run the Ottawa marathon in May and another one in September / October – not sure which one yet. Last October, I did some trail running in Portland, Oregon and that was another amazing experience.
Best wishes for the New Year to you all.
Noreen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 21:08:03 (UTC)
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Now Bob Gillies has started on the Flashbombs!
You could empty 10 or 15 into a used 303 cartridge. Fix an unused fuse in place and the noise.... like the clap of doom.
Our first experiment was at home and we lived close to Presidents(?) Lane. The boom echoed out and we were quite panicked by the thought of the State House police coming around to find out what was going on!
I remember that the Flashbomb powder (silver if I remember correctly) was quite difficult to ignite and there used to be quite a proportion of duds which you didn't waste. You had to push the flaring match into a pile of the powder to set it off. Lost eyebrows if you got too close!
There was an Indian shopkeeper in Livingstone Road who always seemed to have Flashbombs in stock. Ten shillings could buy enough to fill an SMA milk tin.
And we lived to tell the tale!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Friday, January 16, 2004 at 19:44:55 (UTC)
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Doug Hall
Let me second June's condolences to Manie's family.
Doron
Joseph is from Austria and has been living in Zambia since the 60's. You are only the second person I have heard of with this rather usual name.
Johnny
YES to slam Tamm, but there is still hope for Doron.
Peter
There is a big difference between free speech and hate speech. Enough is enough.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, January 16, 2004 at 18:53:44 (UTC)
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Helen, I've never stopped smiling. Us Californians, of all people, know that good wine does not come from sour grapes. Thanks to Johnny Green as well, for his observations.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 18:05:14 (UTC)
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Marilyn
Wow! You're setting the exercise pace for us. As to your stinger in the bra encounter - einaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr!!!!!!! Ali's walking around with a thick lip because it came in contact with Alice's head when both were also splashing off the shores of Perth. By the way Lindy Lou Hayes really owns the adjective or proper (should be improper) noun 'beauteous'.
Heather - endlessly interesting. I remember how popular the bird-dino connection thing became with the book: "The Hot Blooded Dinosaurs" when I was in college.
Bob - my son says thanks for some really good suggestions. I have to admit never having done it, it's tempting to find a piece of wasteland and watch a roll explode for the experience. My son will certainly like it.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 17:54:59 (UTC)
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Linda, Thanks for the TeePeeTree idea, Butch has a couple of nice big ones in his yard, Stef will go mad! We used to get the orange penny flashbombs, pull the fuses out and put four powders into one for 4X power and stuff the fuse back. Then we would tie a cigarette parallel to the flashy fuse about 2 inches higher as a delay. Then you would go a house with a posh lawn and put a white loo roll down with the flashy inside. Pow! great white snowflakes all over, and when the dew hit them they were impossible to rake up excep tby the gardner who had to pick one by one (job creation), If it was warranted we would give it a week and do the same lawn with a different colour. What was nice in those days was no one got hurt and the cops never got you either cause you could spot the landrover coming miles away with their narrow headlamps. Especially for them at night we would fill a single ladies stocking with earth and reshape it as a leg, put a sock & shoe on it and leave it on the roadside , the cops would roar past, screech brakes, reverse, get out walk around it, poke it with a stick, until one was brave enough to examine it closely, they never seemed to laugh as much as we did, funny that.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Friday, January 16, 2004 at 15:54:06 (UTC)
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Johnny:
You get my vote too. I fail to understand how Grill finds it interesting that NO ONE on this site enjoys talking about "a country that has little or no human rights, no law and order, ..." Does he think we joined this site to vent our frustrations about our old country, or reminisce about old times and enjoy a mutual comraderie?
Ken:
Grill is no spring chick either. Keep smiling!
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 14:48:20 (UTC)
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To all the when we`s.
I for one am happy to be classed in this wonderful club.
I enjoyed what was probably one of the best childhoods that anyone enjoyed in the world.
We were innocent and carefree, was this a crime?
We have the pleasure of looking back on what was undoubtably the happiest days of our lives.
To those who critisise us, I feel sadness as they probably never enjoyed Northern Rhodesia/Zambia as much as we did.
It`s not the country now that it was in our childhoods, but we can`t change that , although I`m sure we would all love to.
But why critisise all of us when we`s ?
Seriously get yourself a life or start doing something that will help improve which ever country you now live in, if you think that much of it.
Des Kenny (formerly Crouch) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wallasey, England Friday, January 16, 2004 at 14:45:52 (UTC)
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Heather
Thanks for the crocs - the saying is true, one learns something new every day!
I too would keep a great distance between them and me and I expect they may appear a tad more attractive if they had false teeth and a face lift each ...
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Friday, January 16, 2004 at 12:53:35 (UTC)
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One thing I love about living in Canada and working in an university is that free speech is both allowed and encouraged. You learn all kinds of interesting opinions some of which you may totally disagree with.
At times I engage in a constructive dialogue without name calling with these people and at other times just ignore the stuff I do not like or disagree with. It is a very small price to pay for the life style I lead and all the things I have learned thanks to free speech!!
Just witness a lot of countries where opening your mouth with a dissenting opinion lands you in jail or worse could get you executed!!!
Oh well, my two cents worth....
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 12:42:57 (UTC)
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Doug,
no offence taken. Don't know a Joseph Grill, you sure about the name?
J.R.A Green,
you can bite me too.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 09:30:16 (UTC)
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LINDA SMART
Are you anthea Smart's sister? Anthea and I used to go to school together in Kitwe.
Marilyn Shooter
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Friday, January 16, 2004 at 08:44:44 (UTC)
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Douglas Hall:
Sincere condolences to Manie's family.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand Friday, January 16, 2004 at 08:36:52 (UTC)
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Tina,
Clive and I cycle home. The roads are too full of petrol fumes in the mornings. When planning our trip to Nepal we used to walk home twice a week and then thought cycling home would give our poor feet a rest.
Clive and I have done lots of runs. He's done Commrades. Too far for me. This morning before work we cycled to Hillary's boat harbour and had a swim. I was stung really badly. The culprit stinger got inside my top and I couldn't get the top off because of the waves and so it just contiued to sting me. Still suffering and it's 4.20pm. I go to 'Body Combat' and pilates (when I can). It's all done to music and it's a great way to get rid of tension.
Climbing trees:
A couple of us (families) in Kitwe got together and formed a little circus "SMBK" for Shooter, Mitchell, Bromfield, Kling. I do remember Wellbeloveds in there too though. We used to give performances every now and again that our poor parents and neighbours had to pay to watch and the money went to Albion House. One year I had to do a trapeze act, hanging on a bar suspended between two avocado pear trees. We had to climb the trees to get up to the trapeze. I was right into my 'act' when my granny came out the back door, saw me haning upside down on this bar and screamed. I got the fright of my life and fell. Onto my head of course, and have never been the same since. I still climb trees though.
Heather
More excellent photos. Thank you.
I've got a crowd of GNR's and a few Zimbabweans coming around on Sunday so I had better go stock up the bar!
Happy and safe weekend, everyone.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Friday, January 16, 2004 at 08:30:16 (UTC)
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YES
Madeleine
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa Friday, January 16, 2004 at 07:55:05 (UTC)
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Linda Smart, Claire Powell, Trevor Hammond
Best wishes on your birthday
Northerners
The promised photos of my trip to Sinazongwe.
I have never been to Sinazongwe although I have been to Maamba Collieries a number of times which is fairly close, but my last visit there was over five years ago when we were carrying out an inspection on the road works that were ongoing at the time. It is an easy drive down and once you turn off the main Lusaka/Livingstone road you hit the escarpment, part of which has the name 'Seven Sisters'. Since you are also heading away from civilisation, there is more forest and the area is not denuded as it is in some other areas. This is the trend throughout the country.

I was only down there for two days and had a bit of work to do whilst there (finding out what is in the area for tourists) so didn't have much time for pleasure. The area around Sinazongwe is different to Siavonga. Firstly, as the border follows the river bed, Zambia has a much larger lake area than it does nearer the wall, not that this is a big issue. There are many islands in the area and ironically, in recent years, the islands are being restocked with game (the various antelope and zebra) - precisely the opposite of what Operation Noah did. In the last few years, there have been a large number of elephant coming onto the islands, where they feel safer than they did in Zimbabwe. This restocking does bring its own problems though as there are no predators on the islands, so culling is a necessity.
The lake in the Sinazongwe area also has what I always think of as 'Kariba' - the tops of the trees still sticking out. These are not really seen around Siavonga although I am not sure why - whether it is because they have decomposed or whether they have been removed. I would have liked to have got some better photos of the trees, but our planned trip out onto the lake had to be cut short as there was a storm blowing up. We could see it in the distance although the water was still very calm when we set off, but within 30 minutes (and on our way back) we were battling waves of nearly a metre high. Because of the storm, it also meant that we didn't have the time to stop off at any of the islands and wander around. We did however see some game (hartebeest) on one of the beaches.


Whilst in Sinazongwe, I visited one of the croc farms - the largest Nile crocdile farm in the world. They have around 100,000 crocs there.
They have a large breeding dam where their breeding stock are kept. The eggs are then collected from the fenced in area around the dam and a small percentage of eggs are collected in the wild. These are then put into incubators until hatching. The hatching season has just ended (the last lot hatched two days before I was there). Whilst they are hatching, staff are on hand to assist with breaking the eggs where necessary (as female crocs do in the wild) Once the eggs, hatch, the babies are kept in boxes until the egg sac has been absorbed. The baby crocs are about 9 - 10 inches long at this stage and have little pot bellies until the sac is absorbed. This sac is similar to the colostrum that mammals obtain from their mothers in the their first few days.

After that, they are onto 'proper' food which is a mixture of various types of meat including kapenta and are transferred into 'growing' pens.

When they reach the right size (about 3 to 4 foot long), they are transferred into others pens where they are 'flooded' i.e. the bottom of the pen is covered with water - only the tops of their bodies and heads stick out. This is done to soften their skins. From there, they are removed, checked over and then they are off to the abattoir.
The meat is frozen and exported whilst the skins are salted and also exported.

The best part of the croc farm is the visit to the breeding dam. They have different feeding stations along the banks of the dam and the meat is thrown out to them. The move with the speed of lightning to these stations when they see the vehicle coming along. Plus, these crocs had not been fed meat for a number of days (the reason was far too scientific for me to understand) so they were good and hungry.
At one of the stations, it is possible for one to get out of the vehicle and stand around whilst the crocs are fed. But after listening to their snapping jaws and turning around and seeing them coming out of the water from all directions, I decided that I would test whether any of the crocs would take a liking to my legs. But it was very nice to see them that close up as in the wild they quietly disappear when you approach.

I also managed to get a couple of photos of them doing what is called 'the high walk' (which makes them look particularly sinister). There is apparently much research currently ongoing as it is now believed that their legs are similar to those of birds and that somewhere, millions of years ago, they had a common ancestor. Just imagine - flying crocodiles!! No thank you.

I also found this pothole on the little road which leads to the Maamba Colliery weighbridge

and a shop at Sinazeze

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, January 16, 2004 at 07:51:12 (UTC)
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I am entering the fray just this once, the majority of us
seem to enjoy the camradie that exists between us on the site and any thing that tends to upset that should be eliminated by the simple action of a vote, in the case of Tam and Grill a simple yes vote for excomunication and the usual no vote if you wish to align your self to there rantings, and I am sure that our esteemed leaders by the means of putting a block on there entrance to this site could solve any contraversy before it escalates, My vote YES.
J.R.A Green.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, January 16, 2004 at 07:14:10 (UTC)
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See msg below...Boring chapter so ignored it....
Marilyn
GREAT diet poem. Love the words, humour, images and truths.
As kids we walked and cycled everywhere. Also tree climbing. I had favourites I would hide up when my mother wanted me to do things on Saturdays and I would sit there watching her go all over the place looking for me and calling.
Solveig Francis and I would climb a tree onto her garage roof to escape extra Latin (and French) lessons which her mother gave. Sol didn't buy into the theory that because we were friends she could sit in on the lessons too.
Wonder if you can still go on walks to the beacon above Kabulonga Dam.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 06:23:18 (UTC)
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Doug
Beautifully expressed to Doron! I couldn't figure out what to say.
Marilyn
Thanks. You too! Marilyn goes on miles of bike rides and swims. Does anyone on the GNR do marathons or prolonged aerobic exercise (Shuttup Johnny) or cycle to work etc.
O.K. bedtime and my next chapter of Posters Anonymous.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 04:27:57 (UTC)
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Tina,
I think you have a beautiful aura about you. So, obviously the sun shines on you beauteously!
Moving right along now .....,
Heather, your latest photos are incredible. Thank you, again. I second the proposal that you write a book. So many experiences, backed up by photographic evidence. It will be a blockbuster.
Philip Pain,
Where are you?
Denise Horton,
Does the word "Photograph" spur you into action? It should do!
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Friday, January 16, 2004 at 04:12:43 (UTC)
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Doron
Don't catch a complex, my friend! You are merely catching the backlash of a pot that has been well stirred by someone else! Howzat for mixed metawhatevers?
Let me assure you everyone on the GNR has big hairy "cahones" including the ladies.
Are you any relative of Joseph Grill who owns a construction company in Lusaka?
Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, January 16, 2004 at 04:11:50 (UTC)
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Alice Key
Congratulations! I hear a good modelling agency has you coming along with others to an audition next week. Well, there is nothing wrong with their eyes. You certainly have the looks. You GO girl!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 03:44:05 (UTC)
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Hi all.....since I have had our little love birds I have been facinated with them...they make me laugh at their actions......but what is most unusual is they sleep on the floor of their cage..or in their food bowl.....cuddled up...on a few occasions I have thought all is not well with them....but then a little beady eye looks at me as if to say....please do not disturb....and then closes......all is fine !!.
Is there anyone on the GNR with love birds who can tell me if this trait is usual ?
oh and peoples...talk about bad timing Jade my daughter had her bike stolen (after only leaving it outside her friends house for about 3 mins ) about the same time as I was posting my fears of her learning the excapades of the foolhardy few on the GNR....and we live in a so called civilized country.....???
To the two Texan Tangofandango Twins......I echo your views as probably 99% of us on the GNR......
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Friday, January 16, 2004 at 02:53:21 (UTC)
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And by the way, what ever happened to Elias? I miss his humour.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 02:40:06 (UTC)
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I'm sorry Ken, i never saw "this must be a typo"
you old decrepid joke of a human being, that is no typo. Sorry my name ain't John.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 02:33:38 (UTC)
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Ken,
Ihave no idea who you are, so you can bite me.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 16, 2004 at 01:35:29 (UTC)
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I have spent many happy hours reading the contributions to this site.
Didn't think I'd make one myself but need to express my extreme disappointment at Doron's (this must be a typo!!) outbursts. Leave us with our happy memories, please.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States Friday, January 16, 2004 at 01:17:39 (UTC)
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The Texan Twosome are out in force - well said ladies!!!
Both of you are such regular posters, and in so doing contribute much to the success of this site.
I echo your sentiments exactly, and would much prefer to read enjoyable accounts of past and present exploits, as posted by the vast majority of members, rather than the miserable and often personally insulting words of the few.
They know who they are, and I find it hard to comprehend how presumably intelligent and otherwise rational people can stoop to such levels. In short, if the detractors can't say anything pleasant, don't say anything at all!
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Friday, January 16, 2004 at 00:57:45 (UTC)
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Northerners:
Having had the restraint (for what seems an eternity for me) not to open my mouth when the GNR turns nasty because of our usual dissenter, I feel I just have to second what Tina has just posted. The GNR functions as a warm-hearted story book of memories of every sort for us all. Yes, we DID have some crappy times and it is unfortunate that the country we all loved at one time, for various reasons, is not like it used to be for US. Yes, many of us are now in different countries, living totally different lives and, I might add, perhaps wishing we had not left Africa. But we DID love it and we DID love our lives there, and those like Heather who have purposely chosen to remain there, STILL love it. To be disrespectful towards those allegiances is a window to your character, I must say. To be able to share those memories, some funny, some tragic, some amazing, but all intertwining with our souls, is what has made this website so totally unique. I doubt if there is another website forum out there that has the same determination amongst its members to be a part of one large family. Think of the times when you get together with your family that you have not seen in a while. Out come the stories about little Johnny or little Susie, and the silly things they did or a special time that was shared. That is what endears the human spirit to fellow kindreds. And that is what we are, folks. Kindred spirits. We have become a part of this site because it offers us a unique opportunity to share parts of ourselves, either in the written word, or through reconnected or new relationships in person, without the fear of ridicule (well except for Johnny Green... grin), or ostracism.
As many of you know, I was once the (in)famous Beauteous Matwetwe who posted some pretty outrageous stuff on this site. It was funny until it upset a few people. In the spirit of maintaining the integrity and intent of the site, I did away with her. Sure, I miss her, but it is much more rewarding for me to interact on a positive and uplifting level with members, than it is to get involved in a tangle of nastiness like Tamm appears to revel in. Life must be pretty miserable for you to so purposely choose to be nasty and snide, Tamm.
One of the intents of the site is, indeed, to serve as a "when-we", athough many diverse discussions take place about just about anything African. It is a truly unique discussion forum. It is not a "that was a crap situation, a crap country and I'm glad we are gone" personally attacking forum. There are so many other facets to this site. It is not just the message board, although that is the only part that we are able to interact together through. The managment have made it specifically clear as a condition of membership, that this is NOT a political forum. Sorry, folks, but if this is not what you are interested in, then there are other sites to delve into as has been suggested before. Nobody wants you to bugger off in a cloud of resentment, but if you are not happy with what is being offered or discussed here, please understand the rest of us are not willing to turn it into a political free for all, just to appease you. We would much rather laugh at, cry with, and identify with the memories that make us what we are.
I leave you with this thought. If we have 1340 members, and only one or two are nastiness personified, the rest of us MUST be of one mind, right?
Eeeeeeh, and futti, Eeeeh!!!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 23:29:36 (UTC)
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Tamm
Unfortunately YES! You are so right!
It doesn't happen anywhere else in my life except when I am forced to contort myself into unnatural attitudes to see your point of view. I find the narrowness of view is claustrophobic, and I DEFINITELY don't like the lack of light or the aroma.
It has been said over and over. Intelligent people select the parameters within which they wish to conduct discussions. We don't have enthusiastic discussions on ax murders on this site either (sadly, in some ways because you might be a fabulous first victim!)
But no we won't and it's called self-control because the majority in this forum has CONSISTENTLY EXPRESSED that they wish to discuss friendship, fun, history and memories and the positives of life. And that's called Democracy. Our views and your views expressed off the GNR are our own business. They belong in other forums.
Now get on the damn popular agenda!
I have no further wish to talk to you on these subjects off the GNR or on it. If you have any good Zambian memories without calculated offensiveness of any kind - then I'm fascinated.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 22:07:23 (UTC)
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Doug,
I have no problem with we'ing at all, I just find it interesting that no one here wants to ever talk about a country that has little or no human rights, no law and order, no medical facility, no decent education system, no economy, and is downright dangerous living there.
And I think it's a little uncalled for saying I am a nasty.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 20:26:07 (UTC)
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Doron
Heather was not the only one to answer you. You got your answer loud and clear from every subsequent poster who carried on happily 'when we'ing', despite your appeal; so you will just have to continue tiptoeing through the turds (to extend your analogy).
We already have our resident nasty as you can see by his dirty reply to Tina and don't need another one. I don't know why she dignifies the idiot by talking to him but she is Irish and they love fighting!
If you want bloed, snot en trane go to the Rhodesian sites. "When we's" are Southern Rhodesians. Us "woz-we's" prefer to remember the happy times. Of course for those of us still in Africa, Heather's reply puts it perfectly.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 19:20:06 (UTC)
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Tina..Bob ..Thanks...
Poll Tax was replaced by Council Tax!
Chris...
I have written to the Conservative Opposition leader, Michael Howard, suggesting he think about going back to his origins..Lithuania! He too has been moaning about taxes for the past few weeks..and other things...University fees, speed cameras.. etc! Poor fellow...and to think he is such a jovial chap! Wonder where Tony Blair's origins lie..maybe Denmark..Norway.. I will have to ask him!! Ouch!
Tell you what..its snowing here!!!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 18:23:05 (UTC)
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Tina,
You have your head (and eyes) in a place the sun does not shine, as well as very selective memory.
Get real
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 18:01:47 (UTC)
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Brilliant photos of flame lilies.I am really going to see how well I can grow them here except we do get frostand they may have to grown in tubs and shifted in winter.
Ayub - you forgot Inheritance Tax and death tax, also what happened to Margaret Thatcher's proposal of Poll Tax? - my brother went nuts about that one, he is in Leicester and told them to stuff it at the time.By the time they could have got round to penalising him I think it was squashed but many other silly b---gers paid theirs! Remember the only things in life that are certain is death and taxes (ugh) (cheer up at least you have the Queen)
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 16:23:49 (UTC)
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Bicycles...
I am very concerned......I have a 12 year old daughter who I am afraid will read the postings from the wayward Northern Rhodesian/Zambians....she received a brand new bike for her Birthday/Christmas present....and if she reads these postings I will have all hell let loose.........seriously though I am only kidding (I have chuckled out loud reading them !!!)....
I do have memories seeing myself on a home movie (film) in NR riding my tricycle it looked very solid...they don't make them like that now.........how I wished that I could have had the privilage to have grown up in NR riding my own bicycle..ah well !!
Heather
Your photos are wonderful once again.....and yes I envy you so much to have the life you have in the garden of eden......and THOSE flame lillies......mine sort of look similar......oh I had a smile on my face looking at the Ellie crossing the road....thinking we over here have "Bullbars" fitted to cars and 4 wheeldrives etc.........giggles.....my imagination running wild again
Tina . here ..here.!!!!
Ted Mills
Are you meaning Lesotho ? if so my Uncle is an instrument technician working at one of the dam/dams there..... Heather
I also enjoyed the article on the Kariba Dam in the lowdon as with the other articles..
Gilbert Rennieites
I too love reading about all the mischief you guys got up to.......
Marilyn
so say all of us........thanks for the reminder..giggles
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 10:51:16 (UTC)
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Hi Doron...
Easy for you to talk about freezing in Vancouver, ya wanna try some sub zero s##t dude try living in the Yukon like I did for 10 years, it will make anyone angry. lol...
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 10:10:56 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm
French Polynesia hasn't mellowed you enough. It might be time to go back. As a New Year's Rez why not curb your need to take random potshots at various non-Caucasian GNR members whenever you have the opportunity? Why can't Ayub have a moan like the rest of us. Move beyond thinly veiled racism against fellow GNR family members. When you jibe at them you hurt all of us. On the other hand when you're not picking fights and just let your knowledge of the Bush and stories flow in a neutral fashion it can be great reading.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 07:46:33 (UTC)
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Hi Madeleine
I posted this in Sept. 2003. Hope it helps.
"It gets you thinking about the properties of the African plant life you shouldn't eat. I have flame lilies and knew they are poisonous but not how or why. I also have young grandkids although they are less likely to browse on the garden than the wolfhound who likes a nibble on the Hackberry Tree. Anyway the flame lilies are safely out of the way and here is some info on their toxicity.
The active poison is colchicine. Symptoms of acute poisoning begin two to six hours after poisoning and include burning mouth and throat, thirst, stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhoea. This progresses to low blood pressure, shock, delirium, convulsions, respiratory distress, haemorrhage. When death occurs it comes from shock and respiratory failure. If you survive you lose some hair in a couple of weeks as a little reminder.
The tubers are the most potent part and can be mistaken (or more likely substituted for sweet potato).
People survive non acute and many acute poisonings. (It sounds as though you would have to eat a tuber or two to be acutely poisoned). But if you suspect flame lily has been ingested try to keep the person hydrated, give them electolytes and rush them to a hospital. The only reference to antidote I found was on a South African site which said there is one in France but it is not commercially available.
The plant is used widely in Asian (specially Indian) traditional medicine. There it is applied to strain, swelling, sexual problems, leprosy, cancer, and more. The leaves are used to kill head lice. While it is apparently used medicinally in Africa too I couldn't find useful specifics on medicinal application in Africa."
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 07:20:50 (UTC)
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I would love to go back and live in Zambia too, (I got this off "The Well", not me writing in the first person) but here are some reasons why this might be a bad idea:
First, the estimated situation NOW. As background, the median
age for dying of AIDS after infection is ten years. Look at
the percentages in some of these southern African countries.
We're looking at situations where a *large majority* of today's
teenagers in those countries will get AIDS at some time in
their lifespan.
Country
Estimated number of HIV positive persons aged 15-49 in 2001
HIV prevalence among persons aged 15-49 (percentage)
Africa
1 Angola 320 000 5.5
2 Benin 110 000 3.6
3 Botswana 300 000 38.8 <--------
4 Burkina Faso 380 000 6.5
5 Burundi 330 000 8.3
6 Cameroon 860 000 11.8
7 Central African Republic 220 000 12.9
8 Chad 130 000 3.6
9 Congo 99 000 7.2
10 Côte d'Ivoire 690 000 9.7
11 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1 100 000 4.9
12 Djibouti 1 30 000 7.1
13 Equatorial Guinea 5 500 3.4
14 Eritrea 49 000 2.8
15 Ethiopia 1 900 000 6.4
16 Gabon 1 27 000 3.6
17 Gambia 7 900 1.6
18 Ghana 330 000 3.0
19 Guinea 1 78 000 1.8
20 Guinea-Bissau 16 000 2.8
21 Kenya 2 300 000 15.0
22 Lesotho 330 000 31.0
23 Liberia 1 114 000 6.5
24 Malawi 780 000 15.0
25 Mali 100 000 1.7
26 Mozambique 1 000 000 13.0
27 Namibia 200 000 22.5 <------
28 Nigeria 3 200 000 5.8
29 Rwanda 430 000 8.9
30 Sierra Leone 150 000 7.0
31 South Africa 4 700 000 20.1 <--------
32 Sudan 410 000 2.6
33 Swaziland 150 000 33.4
34 Togo 130 000 6.0
35 Uganda 510 000 5.0
36 United Republic of Tanzania 1 300 000 7.8
37 Zambia 1 000 000 21.5
38 Zimbabwe 2 000 000 33.7 <--------
And by contrast:
1 Russian Federation 700 000 0.9
2 United States of America 890 000 0.6
and continuing:
*The global summary:
By 2050, world population is expected to be 479 million lower than it
would have been in the absence of AIDS. Africa alone is expected to
have 320 million fewer inhabitants in 2050 than it would have had
without AIDS.
Nuff said. Look at the figure for poor old Zambia. I weep for my home country.
Robert.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 06:54:58 (UTC)
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Heather,
It was wonderful to read your words on yourself and Zambia - and all the staying and goings of Zambia's / Northern Rhodesia's Children - How true they were. We all choose and make our own decisions and therefore have to live by them.
I would like to ask you a question - I have flame lilies growing in my garden, but someone has informed me that some areas of the flame lily are very poisonous. I have never ever heard of this before, but as my little grandson just loves to touch all the flowers and plants in my garden I would like to clearify this. Are you able to help me, or is there anyone on the GNR who can.
Thanks so much
Madeleine
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 06:46:06 (UTC)
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Heather:
I am sitting here, bug-eyed, at midnight, having completed some very boring minutes for a committee I am on. I was just about to crawl to bed but decided to have a quick look on the GNR. What a treat to see your photos!! What sort of camera do you use? The focus and colours are breathtaking. Thanks so much. Now I'm too wired to go to bed. Perhaps I should get on my son's bicycle and go looking for kids up to mischief. They have a very annoying habit here in the States of toilet papering (called TeePeeing) people's trees. They throw the roll(s) of toilet paper up in the trees, over and over again, until you have all this toilet paper hanging down from the tops of the trees to the ground. Having a number of very large, tall oak trees in my front yard, I do not see the funny side of it. It's a bugger to get it out of the tall branches and most people give up, leaving it hanging there until the next rains. If we had access to that many toilet rolls when I was in Zambia, we wouldn't be walking around with newsprint on our behineys!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 06:19:20 (UTC)
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William Miles
Best wishes on your birthday
Marianne Martin
Your comment did not escape my eagle eye. What about writing a book, even a very short one, on your trip and we can publish it here on the GNR for all to enjoy??
Bob Eglington
I have never seen any piccanins riding bikes in the manner you describe although I do often see them riding oversized bikes. I will try to get a couple of pictures in my travels.
Richard Johnston
I don't know what circus acts you remember, but I remember 'proper' circuses visiting Lusaka. The big top would go up at south-end roundabout (southern end of Cairo Road) and it was always the Boswell-Wilkie Circus from South Africa. This was during the sixties.
We then had no circuses until 1992, when 'Brian's Circus' visited Lusaka. The owner was Brian Boswell but they were no longer trading under the name 'Boswell-Wilkie' as they had sold that name and could no longer use Boswell. He was however, part of the same family.
Bicycles
As a farm girl, we never had the privilege of riding our bikes to school or even of riding on a tarred road; we only ever got to ride them on dirt roads, but we did have many miles of roads to ride on around the farm. Being the youngest, with an older sister, I was also privileged to have hand-me-downs - hand-me-down clothes, hand-me-down shoes, hand-me-down toys and a hand-me-down bicycle; a bicycle which only had front brakes.
The road approach to our house was down a steep hill and at the bottom there was a sharp bend to the left after which one was on the driveway proper. Running along the right handside of the driveway was a lovely hedge of Christ thorn, about a metre wide, with all its beautiful red flowers and its not so beautiful thorns.
My favourite trick was to pedal as fast as I could down the hill, gathering speed and rounding the bend as fast as I could and of course, one day, the inevitable happened - one of the dogs ran in front of me, I braked but the back wheel and I continued after the front wheel had stopped; over the handle bars and into the Christ thorn. This was followed by much screeching and wailing and a very sorry me who trudged up to the house and then had to lie on the bed whilst my mother and sister removed bits of broken thorns from my entire body, but mostly my legs. This exercise must have taken well over an hour, whereafter I refused to ride my bike.
This abstinence, needless to say, did not last for very long as by the next day I was back on my bike again although I was a little more careful going down the hill.
But that caution soon dissipated and it was only about three weeks later that exactly the same dog ran in front of me and I gave a repeat performance, as did my mother and sister on thorn removal. Luckily, we moved out of that house fairly soon after and I did not get to try it again. Although I did not forget it very quickly - for at least a year, probably longer, after that, I would suddenly get a festering sore and out would come a thorn tip which they had missed first time around.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 05:52:43 (UTC)
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BICYCLES
Speaking of velocipedes reminds me of our NCCM -issued bikes to ride around the Leach Plant and Concentrator just after the EXTREME petrol rationing (drought!) set in after the Rhodesian UDI in November 1965.
It was a great boon to have the benefit of petrol free locomotion, and save our limited resources - after all we only had 4 gallons for the first six weeks at the start.
By the time I left Zambia in July 1968 the ration had only increased to 10 gallons per month, so extra measures had to be taken to remain mobile on four wheels, such as risky trips to the Congo/Zaire.
Anyway, the bikes were most useful on the job and off (don't take me wrong).
So much so that when I resumed work in Australia, EZ in Tasmania to be precise, in October 1968, I recommended and obtained a bicycle for use on the electrolytic zinc plant there! I wasn't the only one to use it. So...on your bike! (a Vespa for me nowadays).
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 04:22:15 (UTC)
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Heather,
thank you, so far you are the only one with the cajones to say anything.
Chris,
easy for you to talk in freezing Hawaii, ya wanna try some sub zero s##t dude, it will make anyone angry. lol
Damn i miss Africa.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 02:41:56 (UTC)
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Here's something to think about, All Ye (like me) Who Have Over-Indulged:
Subject: Twas the Month after Christmas
Twas the month after Christmas and all through the house,
Nothing would fit me, not even a blouse.
The biscuits I'd nibbled, the champagne I just had to taste
All the holiday parties had gone to my waist.
When I got on the scales there arose such a number!
So I walked to the shop (less a walk more a lumber!).
I'd remembered the marvellous meals I'd prepared
The gravies and sauces and beef nicely rared,
The wine and the rum balls, the bread and the cheese,
And the way I'd never said "No thank you, please!"
As I dressed myself in my husband's old shirt,
And prepared once again to do battle with dirt,
I said to myself, as I only can,
You can't spend all Summer disguised as a man!
So, away with the last of the sour cream dip,
Get rid of the fruit cake, every cracker and chip
Every last bit of food that I like must be banished
Till all the additional ounces have vanished.
I won't have a biscuit, not even a lick,
I can now only chew on a celery stick
I won't have hot scones, or cake or fruit pie
I'll munch on a carrot and quietly cry.
I'm hungry, I'm lonesome and life is a bore
But isn't that what January is for?
Unable to laugh, no longer a riot,
Happy New Year to all and to all a good DIET!
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 02:29:23 (UTC)
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Hi Northerners,
to those of you who knew him and others who may remember the bands he played in such as 'Muthers Convention', I regret to inform you of the death today of my ex-brother in law Manie Raubenheimer. He died of a heart attack early this morning at home near Roodepoort, Transvaal. He is survived by his wife and my two neices Charmaine and Audrey.
I will try to get a couple of photos to Arthur to post here,
Doug
Douglas Hall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Exeter, Devon, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 23:10:03 (UTC)
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Zumla,
I think it is time for you to pack your bags and head backSouth. You do beef quite a lot about life in UK. Why not do something about it? Heather has always taken a more positive take on Zambia and one can only admire her for that. Most GNR's are wherever they wanted to be. I want to say that you are the only one to be unhappy where you have ended up.
Quit the whining and make a decision.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 22:59:49 (UTC)
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Heather...
You may be quite right. You may have made a sound decision living in Zambia. Here in the UK we end up paying Council Tax...Income Tax...VAT... Tobacco Tax (Whopping 85%)...Police camera Tax...War tax...London entry tax...Motorway toll tax...University Student tax...car towing tax..and it probably won't be long before we pay breathing tax too!!! By the time you pay all this..you end up with nothing! Don't worry... the Government here is also not far from being inept!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 20:30:21 (UTC)
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The above address should read Parow North, Western Cape.
Hi all ex Rhodesians. My name is Ann [neè PELSER] Tiran. I lived in Mufulira from 1948 to 1957 in J136/K190/K170 also for a few months in the DK where I had a friend June O'Toole. Thelma Beaton lived across from me in J136 and later in K190 when we went to Durban for a year. The Rosewarnes were our neighbours in K188 and the Duckworths in K172. We also stayed on Roy Stables' farm at the 8mile bridge on the Ndola Road.
I had Bekker cousins living in Kitwe and would like to know what happened to them. Their father moved to Riversdale and started a shoe repair shop there in the late 1960's.
I would appreciate any old friends ciontacting me on my e-mail ann.tiran@webmail.co.za
I loved reading all the messages from other ex-Rhodies and it certainly brings back many lovely and pleasant memories.
Regards
Ann
Ann Tiran (née Pelser) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Parow, North Western Cape, South Africa Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 19:22:02 (UTC)
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I used to cycle in to the Rennie past the Lusaka Golf Club. We thought it would be a great wheeze to put a brick inside a paper bag and leave it on the cycle path for those following to ride over. Didn't hang around to the effects, but found the brick chucked at the side of the path later.
We also thought it a hoot to tie a handful of long grass from each side of a path through Stuart Park. Saw quite a few trip up on them!
What odious T####ers we could be. As I look into the rain and gloom of a winter's evening I think perhaps I'm paying for those past sins!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 18:02:39 (UTC)
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Sorry made a mistake on the one link. Here is the correct one
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 17:59:35 (UTC)
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Liz Downing, Christina Estcourt, Glynn Morris
Best wishes on your birthday
Graham Wall
Sorry I didn't post you 'official' birthday greetings, but this is the price you have to pay if your birthday is on a day when I don't come into the office or am away from Lusaka and hence away from my computer.
Ted Mills
No, no, no. Very little knowledge about seismicity as a subject, but plenty of knowledge (and even more interest) about things Zambian. And thankfully much has been written about the country by those far more knowledgeable than I. I am only glad that I can afford to buy all these books and that I can afford to visit the places mentioned in them and see a lot of it for myself. I am also lucky that when I read things, I remember them and when a few months later somebody mentions something I remember that I have read about it and can usually go straight to the book in which I read it and refresh my memory.
Having said that, a few years ago, I did read a fair amount about the Highlands Water Scheme although my interest in it was more to do with the transportation of supplies etc for the construction of it.
Dave Gray
You are out of date - our new low denomination notes which were released in November are polypropylene and thus do not become dirty and tattered. Zambia is the first country in Africa to introduce these so perhaps we are not languishing as much as some people would think because I haven't seen many polypropylene notes in use in America, Canada or Europe, only in Australia. Another interesting thing was that when they were first released in October, they had to be recalled because all the ink was rubbing off. They were printed in Canada.

Doron Grill
My hands are up as far as they can reach and that's where they will stay. And you want to know what I feel inside? I am glad that I stayed in this country and didn't take the gap. Where else in the world would I, by the time I was thirty, have owned my own house straight out, no mortage payments; where else would I be able to buy my own business at the age of forty straight off without having to borrow the money to buy it; where else would I be able to travel and visit other continents once or twice a year and countries in the region every year; where else would I be able to travel around my own country and visit almost every corner of it. Yes; sure; I get frustrated and annoyed sometimes; I throw my hands up in despair sometimes; I have to pay expensive school fees to have my daughter educated to an international standard; sometimes I have to pay over the odds for something that I want. But at the end of the day I reckon my quality of life, in the things that really matter, far exceeds the quality of your life. And I do not have to live with intense bitterness, day after day, week after week, because I decided I wasn't prepared to meet the challenges of living in a newly independent country with an inept government. I think you made your bed, now you should lie on it.
Northerners
My apologies for that little outburst and I am waiting to get my hands slapped by the other members of the Politburo.
As you know, at the end of last year, I drove down to Namibia. I shall not be posting any of the photos I took in Namibia, but in a day or two will post a link to some that I will put up on my web page for those that would like to take a look. But I did take these photos on the way down to Kasungula and on the way back through Sesheke:
The pontoon and pontoon operator at Kasungula

Some flame lillies in the Caprivi Strip - you will notice that they are much more orange than the ones we find around Lusaka

Some scenes near the pontoon at Sesheke. They are currently building a bridge over the Zambezi at Sesheke and this should be open within about two months.

Some wildlife that greeted me along the road to Livingstone

With the rains, we now have all sorts of interesting mushrooms (inedible) springing up

A few views of the Falls with a bit more water than during September

And of course, the inevitable sunset taken on the banks of the Zambezi

I have just spent two incredible days at Sinazongwe on Lake Kariba. Photos to follow tomorrow.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 17:52:41 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt - In the days of the Federation we had to license our push bikes and got a little coloured metal tag which was bolted to the bike. If the cops in Lusaka caught us riding without the tag they would confiscate our tyre valves and we had to walk our bikes home with 2 flat tyres.
One day in about 1963 my brother was pedalling up behind a mafazi who was wearing a fine headscarf which he grabbed off her head and made off with it. Unfortunately he did not notice the tail of it drop into his back cog and wind up bringing him to an abrupt halt, but the mafazi did, running up to him and giving him a few good clouts!
One popular trick at the time was to have a first cyclist do a pedestrian on the back of the head with a raw egg and the second cyclist immediately with a small bag of flour. Anyone else do that?
About 1962 we had both been diagnosed with bilharzia and were sentenced to a course of 10 injections , one every 2nd day at the railway clinic. We cycled there for our first one and found that it deadened our one leg completely for ages and we could not pedal home. We had to change the rear freewheel cog to a '14 fix' which enabled us to crank the bike home using the one working leg! We were so glad to get the 10 jabs over with as it was a schlep pedalling home with one leg and were really p*&%#d off when the doctor sentenced us to another course of 10 jabs 'just for good measure'.
Roger Ward - I phoned the only Makings in the Phone Book here hoping it might be family of Leslie but wasn't - still hunting!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 16:20:33 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur,
Many thanks for all the happy memories you brought back re my Yellow M.G.
I could write a book about our journey - and what a wonderful car my little M.G. was.
Sadly Celia is no longer with us but I am sure whereever she is she would be having a good laugh at the great time we had.
Can you imagine trying to do the same journey today.
Again many thanks
Maz
Marianne Martin (née Griffiths) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Timperley, Cheshire, England Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 14:48:08 (UTC)
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Heather
As a geophysisit, I am impressed with your knowledge about seismicity. I dont know if you are interested in seismicity, but there has been a vast amount of litrature published on the topic, of course more close to home is the study of the Leshto Highlands Water Scheme
Ted Mills [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, South Africa Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 14:38:18 (UTC)
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DENISE
If my memory serves me right the 5 shilling note (5/-) was a most unattractive purplish colour. Most were in a sorry state of repair rather like the current low denomination Zambian notes that are so dirty and tattered that they were given away to deserving looking beggers as fast as they were received as change. The high denomination notes looked fairly good. 5 Shillings was the standard Christmas or birthday gift received from my Grandmother. It would buy a "Just William" or "Biggles" book with 1/6 change and was always appreciated even though I wasn't impressed with the design or colour of the note.
All the best
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 14:35:50 (UTC)
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Denise
Your description of the decorated bikes as part of the coronation festivities brought back many memories. I have some 8 mm movie film of the event showing a very youthful Garry Hovelmeier wheeling his multicoloured red, white and blue bicycle round Ek Park. I also have footage of the soap-box derby down Club Street. The launching ramp was located at 7th Avenue and the finishing line at 9th Avenue. By the way, these events took place in 1953, more than half a century ago!!! I remember it as a very steep hill but driving over the same piece of road last September I was struck by the fact that it wasn't so steep after all. Ones childhood memories sometimes are completely wrong. I guess it was very steep to any child steering a soap-box car without brakes!
Bicycles
It was at roughly that time that I had my most spectacular bike mishap. I was riding down 1st Avenue on my way to Frederick Knapp (minding my own business) when I failed to see a stone in my path. My tyre caught the edge of this stone and flipped it over to lodge in the spokes of my front wheel. It was carried round till it was brought up against the fork. The bike stopped dead but yours truly went straight over the handle bars and came down hard on the ground with the machine on top of me. British steel was pretty good in those days and the bike was still rideable once I had removed the rock. I arrived at school both shaken and stirred and sporting bleeding knees and elbows.
My late Dad used to tell a most amusing story of how he decided to dismount his cycle in a great hurry. He was riding along a foot path in the Mazabuka area when it became increasingly difficult to peddle. Glancing down he was alarmed to see a very annoyed snake caught by the tail between the chain and gear wheel and gradually being drawn further in. It was hissing and striking at his rear end but was just failing to make contact! In the words of Black Adder his immediate reaction was "Flee" and over the handle bars he went and along the foot path on hands and knees for a few seconds until he realised the comedy of the situation. Dad always wore leather leggings when out in the bush. These covered his legs from ankle to just below the knee and probably saved him from a nasty bite. Anyway, the snake was despatched and Dad went on his way. And having wasted your time I will now go on my way!
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 14:00:57 (UTC)
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Hi everyone !
I was also in Luanshya 1953-1965 What a lovely life we had !!! I just loved walking in the bush ....can't do that here !!
Went to Lya high school when Seth Bottom was Headmaster and does anyone remember Miss Harper the Latin teacher ?
Sally Erotocritou (née Last) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban North, South Africa Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 08:22:00 (UTC)
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For David Norris, Kris Massie and anyone else that went to Lilfordia School or had children educated there, the Zambian children kept the school going during the liberation war and ironically we may play a part in it's survival again. Anyone with ideas please contact me
Lilfordia School Appeal
Greetings - We hope that the grounding you received at Lilfordia Junior
Boarding School has brought you much success in your chosen field.
We are writing this letter due to the worsening state of affairs in our
country. Lilfordia is in a precarious predicament at the moment
financially.
If we are to continue to function we need to boost the coffers. This is a
direct appeal to all those ex-Lilfordians out there to get together and do a
bit of old fashioned fund raising to keep this 90 year old establishment
going. If you could help please get in touch with us at lilfordia@hms.co.zw
we look forward to hearing from you.
Yours sincerely
Iain & Letitia Campbell.
I tried the email address and it bounced back so anyone with an update, please let me have it. I have received reports that pro-government militants closed the school in June last year sending the 165 pupils home. Any news would be appreciated.
Chris Swart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 22:11:25 (UTC)
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All this talk of push bikes - took me right back!! We lived in Itimpi and took the school bus home which dropped us at the end of what seemed like an endless lane. The houseboy was there to collect my sister and I to take us home on his bike - one on the crossbar and one behind him on the carrier. Aaah those were the days!
Eventually moved to Nkana and was able to ride my own bike to Freddie Knapp - hockey stick across the handlebars and school case on the carrier.
Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 15:00:08 (UTC)
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Denise:
I believe the lady's name in the Hillbillies was Ms. Hathaway? The bank manager's secretary?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 13:30:23 (UTC)
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Arthur
Will get onto doing the stamps this weekend, back at work this week after a four week break, it is almost like returning to do another jail sentence. One day will have a scanner, would be able to scan some of the old money I have. My Dad kept a five shilling note, (think that is what it is), so will see what can do
Marilyn
I remember the bike days well and truly, our Phillips bikes had a little upright badge on the front mudguard, not the best place when you fell off the front handlebars giving lifts!!! I think we used to go down Club Street, it had the ditches on either side, we thought a good place to practise riding with our arms folded. I think as well that is where they had the soap box racing, I have some photos of our bikes decorated for the Queens coronation, 1957! I think, the competition was at Ek Park for the best decorated bike or whatever.
Remember the net petticoats well, never mind that there was more net than one knew what to do with, it was general practice to have them below your dress hem line just so that the 'other girls' knew we had them on.
Miss Swart was so severe at school, cannot remember her name, but the woman in the Hillbillies always reminded me of her, with the straight hairstyle etc. Miss Swart and I didn't get on too well.!!!
Denise
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 12:56:03 (UTC)
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Bob,
You're right about the little ones on their dad's bikes. I've seen females with tubs on their heads, somehow someone had a BED on their bike, chickens on the back carrier, etc. etc.
The kids here are much smarter. They have little 'kiddie carts' with wheels on to haul their surf boards to the beach.
My racing bike here in no way resembles my Phillips bike with the butterfly handlebars and streamers on the hand grips!
Thank goodness for progress, hey?
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 09:42:33 (UTC)
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Push Bikes
I started my school years in Broken hill and on my first day my mother took me in the A35 but then after my aunt (mum’s youngest sister who stopped with us and attended the same school) took me on the back of her ladies Philips cycle. It had a metal framed high sided and back sitting area with a footrest on either side. As a five year old would sit in the seat with my arms straight on each side clutching my little lighter case in my left whilst the little heavier and larger case in my right hand. The distance was well over a mile and rather than use the graded road which had loose stones along the side there was a well trodden path through the bundu. The path crossed over a storm drain and three lengths of wooden railway sleeper had been set into the top of the bank on either side. For some months there was no problem, my only one at the time, was that the first year finished a lot earlier and I would sit under a tree upon a large rock waiting for my aunt to finish her lessons. On this particular day we were moving quickly along but instead of safely negotiating the wooden sleepers for some reason halfway over my aunt went off into the deepish storm drain. All I recall is flying over the top of my aunt’s head and tumbling over on the other side of the drain. My aunt was more concerned of me than herself although she seemed to be bleeding in a number of places whilst I had only grazed both knees.
It seemed to me that all us kids had bikes and during the rainy season we would try to peddle through the largest puddles. That is until one day, I can’t recall the name of the lad but it was whilst still living in Broken Hill and he was the first to try the puddle. Backing up he reached top speed at the same time as his front wheel splashed into the brown muddy puddle. It all happened in the blink of an eye, his front wheel dropped through the earths crust to the axial and the bike stopped dead. Not the rear of the bike, it flipped over in an ark launching my friend up and away to come to a skidding splashing stop along the rain soaked ground. No bones broken but a learning curve for us to first try the puddle out at slow speed.
Heather, I can still see in my minds eyes the piccannies riding their dad’s bike. The little boy would have most of his body under the cross bar and somehow gripping the handle bars with either hand. The bike would be cantered over at an angle whilst he too was leaning over in the opposite direction maintaining a balance and still managing to peddle the bike. Do they still do this and if so, any chance for a picture?
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 09:07:38 (UTC)
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Johnny
Definitely what my dad would have done to you! I was too young to do anything other than hide and try to scare the life out of the security guard!
I'm surprised Philip Pain hasn't come up with a story of climbing the clock tower. The clock tower and jumping off the high board before my mum could stop me were high on my list of things to do to irritate my parents! Also sliding down the slime dam walls in a carboard box. Great fun.
Yes, we undoubtedly would still be in Zambia but for inept governments! Holidays were a surety every year; always lots of good friends, fishing, boating on the dam. All the game viewing. The list is endless.
I had the 'pleasure' of partnering our headmisstress of the day, Miss Swart, at tennis. My first serve went hard and right into the middle of her back. I though, as she was so strong and kind of 'square' built, that she wouldn't feel a thing. It took a while convincing her that it was an accident.
Someone wanted bike accident stories. My brothers fitted a fixed wheel to my bicycle during the night. I went off to the Saturday matinee with friends and we were late getting home so we were really peddalling madly down, I think it was Central Street, when I hit one of the speed bumps and tried to stop pedalling. Of course, I went straight over the handle bars and hit the tarmac hard. All I could hear was Clive Noall, yes, my future husband, laughing his head off. Thank goodness there were people like John Reilly and Albert Reins around to help me. Clive still talks about it so I guess it must have looked pretty spectacular. We were wearing layers and layers of net petticoats in those days! Denise Horton - you had better not laugh. I saw your petticoats on the line!
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 07:10:10 (UTC)
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Marilyn are your eyes watering thinking about what your daddy would have done to me, or thinking back to the times of your hidings in the bell tower? love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 05:59:05 (UTC)
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Johnny
If my father had caught you at your little game, it would have been a grand-style BBQ/Braai you would have got; not just a hiding!!! Makes my eyes water just thinking about it.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 03:29:12 (UTC)
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when we, when we, when we, hands up those who would still be in Zambia if it didn't go into the chimbuzu, where it now appears to languish. I'm sick of tiptoeing through the crap. I wish people would just say what they felt inside, although I know it will change nothing. Same for zim and SA.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 02:57:39 (UTC)
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Billy I don't think so they wern't big enough for those.
Tina I am pleased you altered your curse as it is YUM YUM day tommorow, Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 12, 2004 at 23:52:58 (UTC)
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Johnny
My birthday wish for you would be that you live to be 66.
Tina
P.S. Just charfing. (And pretty funny for various inscrutable reasons). May you never die and may all your semi-possible, semi-legal dreams that won't end you up in hospital in traction, come true.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Monday, January 12, 2004 at 21:40:40 (UTC)
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Johnny
I wonder if Pamela got her tassels from that guy?
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa Monday, January 12, 2004 at 20:49:16 (UTC)
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Bill your appeal for stories on the shortage of tyres etc in the 50's 60's reminds me of an enterprising gentle man who worked for me came and asked me to make him two flat heavy plates out of 1" steel I supplied him with the steel and he said come and watch me, at the time we were working on the outskirts of some bush land and he showed me his trap it was one of the plates with the other one propped up by a small stick with a piece of string attached to small piece of cheese, next morning I went with him to inspect his trap and sure enough there was a fair sized cane rat sqashed between the plates, I thought he had caught it to eat but no he cut off its tail and pegged it up to dry, after a couple of days in the sun he cut the tail into short pieces and pushed a knitting needle through them to clean them out and then sold them to all his friends as valve tubing for a ticky apiece, and an old man who was working along side me said Johnny you must never under estimate any one with a brain to think of that, and I never did.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 12, 2004 at 20:34:01 (UTC)
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Graham a belated birthday wish many happy returns and love to Fiona, as to Tina's and Fee's wishes for your team winning the next world cup I think you have as much chance of getting pregnant, Regards Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 12, 2004 at 20:09:06 (UTC)
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Anyone ever use a bicycle as means of transport during their schooldays in NR?
Any memorable spills that were eina at the time but make amusing tales?
Did you ever use rubber hose pipe for tyres because bike tyres & tubes were unavailable during & for a few years after?
regards
Bill
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa Monday, January 12, 2004 at 19:30:05 (UTC)
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Graham Wall Happy Birthday for yesterday. Hope you and Fee had a wonderful day in Wales. Fee and I have a late joint birthday wish for you - may your Rugby Team win the next World Cup!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Monday, January 12, 2004 at 19:26:24 (UTC)
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Michael, I recognised Roger in December as we went to a theatre in Natal University and of all the people in there I found myself seated next to Roger! I looked at his profile at lights out which was unmistakeable and said 'Roger?' and we had a good chat. Unfortunately at school short pants and a peaked schol cap did not suit him and his height made him stand out and many made fun of him running up behing him and pinching his cap and throwing it along the corridor. He has filled out well and is a big guy with a very attractive wife and young daughter and has been at the University over 25 years now. As regards the short Gillies in Form 4 in 1965 it was me. I am not so sure about the brainbox bit unless it was because I fixed buzz bikes and could mix good gunpowder, academically I will confess, as I have my school certificate on my desk and it's dated year end 1965.
English Language Grade 1
Afrikaans (taken to get out of French) Grade 8
Maths Grade 6
Biology Grade 8
Physics & Chem Grade 7
I discovered that School Certificate in Division Three actually was a third rate pass but I survived. I now sell and repair power tools for Bosch since 1968 and run the biggest private power tool repair shop around, probably stemming from my buzz bike fixing days, and meccano sets and also sell all kinds of engineering tools and technical supplies which proves the Rennie was not my haven, except I took metalwork to get out of History and was berated by the teachers as I was in the A stream and only the dummies were supposed to take the tech subjects. I knew then that education and me did not agree. I am still short but have survived well and enjoy the technicalities of my Company, coming 23rd or so out of 26 in class proved I was wasted at school, they should have let me go earlier and play with the things I liked. Thanks for the compliment!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Monday, January 12, 2004 at 16:25:53 (UTC)
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I remember, when I was about 5 or 6, going with my mother to visit a lady (whom us kids referred to as Auntie Uncle) at a huuuuge white mansion somewhere in Kitwe. The place had massive expanses of lush lawns complete with a large number of strutting peacocks and wall to wall fish tanks in one of the rooms. My father told me that, had we remained in Kitwe instead of migrating to England, we would have qualified to live there as it apparantly is allocated to the longest serving mine employee. Does anyone know anything of this place and where it is located?
Mo
Moira Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia Monday, January 12, 2004 at 13:45:30 (UTC)
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Also hiding in the clock tower at the Mine Club. Just getting up there was a feat; made the hiding that always followed worth it! an extract from Marilyns missive toArthur.
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With reference to the above I used to be an expert on your little game played up in your bell tower and I became very proficient at it, they used to call it hide the sausage a great little game played with the right partner, Johnny
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Marilyn nice to see you up and running again will be in touch
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Monday, January 12, 2004 at 10:00:45 (UTC)
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Phil Kemp and Kevin McGowan
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Monday, January 12, 2004 at 08:49:41 (UTC)
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Hello from Perth
Happy New Year, all GNR members and visitors.
Arthur, I haven't been sleeping, well, not that much! Had hackers visiting my home website and it's taken a while to get rid of them and then get re-established. Such a pain.
Those photos did bring back so many happy memories. The swimming pool in particular. We had so much fun there. Also hiding in the clock tower at the Mine Club. Just getting up there was a feat; made the hiding that always followed worth it!
Denise
Please look for that photo you are always promising to find and bring it on Sunday.
Sue and Paudie
Congratulations again. Hope you're both settling in well in Perth. Good luck to you both.
Tina
So nice to 'talk' to you, and Alix, thank you for keeping in touch.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Monday, January 12, 2004 at 07:02:59 (UTC)
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Denise Horton, Chris Tamm et al
Just arrived home and saw your posting regarding the NR stamps and first day covers - if you would like to donate these to the GNR website and are willing to post them over to the UK I can certainly use them - we have had quite a number of scans sent in over the years, some have been posted on the message board, others await the New GNR where I can organise them for display better than I can do right now. This applies to old banknotes and coins too - we have quite a large collection waiting to go on display. If you are willing to do this please hit the contact button and I'll send you my snail-mail address.
Heather - you've been sleeping on the job again, report to my office please.
Talking about sleepy, has anyone ever seen Craig at 6.00am? Bwana Sweety? I'm sure he put down the fish for a few hours.

And here's the photo of the giant scorpion that Heather snagged shortly after it got Craig in the Lower region, I mean Zambezi, back in September.

Bob Eglington has been busy and sent in these aerial shots of Mazabuka and Broken Hill


Also to add to our Maps page is a two part map of Mazabuka.
Bob has also sent in a CD full of photos of trees, bushes and shrubbery and suggested we post a few of these up now and again and test the GNR membership out. I will wait until our resident tongululu experts, Hong Kong Ron and Philip Pain get back from wherever they have gone. Philip - note I have never given you a nickname - you don't need one.
Bob, thanks again for the brilliant contributions you continue to make to our website.
Seems most of the Nkana Kitwe contingent are also asleep, these images might waken some of them up and get some of them start posting again.


All the images above were scanned from Rhokana Reviews on loan from David Gray.
While I was thumbing through one of the magazines I came across this shot of 4th Avenue Nkana, photo taken from the direction of Harrison Street (which I believe is maybe now under the slag heap)

To compare these are the shots I took of the other end of 4th Avenue last year, couple of mine houses included.
Quite some time ago there was talk of the "Queens House" on the banks of the Kafue. I found this article.

I'm sure if it was being built today they would be using a different name for the building, unless it was in Sydney.
Also found this article I have been trying to find for ages - about our own Maz Martin and her yellow MG

Maz - I am very impressed.
Debbie Stewart
I nearly forgot about this one, I saw on a posting you made some time ago that you lived on Geddes Street just down from Riverain, number 149.

I passed by your house last September.
Paudie & Sue,
Standing by for the photos of the nuptuals, congratulations once again.
To all the poor sods who have recently passed another birthday, hard luck.
That's it from me for now, below are some of the contributions waiting to be posted. Thanks to all who have sent stuff in.
Arthur
I took these in the two main streets of Kabwe circa 1970 - not all that old but they may bring back memories for some

Fr Neil McNicholas
Hi Arthur,
nice to have you back. Lynne is away for two weeks visiting her Mom and being bored I decided to clean up some junk in boxes around the house and found this old school badge of mine.

Thought you might like this pic. for the G.N.R.
Cheers
Philip Pain
Arthur:
Inspired by Richard Cain's Zambian Licence, I hereby submit my own much earlier one , no 4012, followed by my wife Karen's no 4011, both issued 2nd October 1965, at Chingola, each costing one pound (prior to kwacha decimalisation), and apparently good forever.

Can anyone produce an earlier image of their NR/Zambian licence?
Bob Allan
Melbourne
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom Monday, January 12, 2004 at 00:16:16 (UTC)
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This blog may be of interest to people on this site.
http://africa.resurrectionsong.com/
Regards
Robert.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 04:31:05 (UTC)
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Thanks
Thanks for all the good wishes (both posted here and private) for Sue and I for our recent wedding. They where all read out at the reception, making it feel like the GNR was there with us in spirit.
As Sue says, computer problems now sorted, so will post photos soon.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 03:44:46 (UTC)
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Happy Happy to my husband Paudie Coughlan!
Happy New Year also to all the GNR-ers. Sorry we haven't been on line lately but with Moving to Oz, Christmas, the Wedding etc... we are now finally on-line and set up at last, so will ask Arthur to kindly post a couple of photos soon.
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia Sunday, January 11, 2004 at 03:06:29 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies
Have you had any luck tracing Lesley Makings from you days at Holdsworths chemist?
Regards
Roger
Roger Ward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Westbank, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 23:15:52 (UTC)
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Anita,
Did you happen across a former colleague of mine named Alistair Bowen whilst you were in in Malawi?
Roger
Roger Ward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Westbank, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 23:02:58 (UTC)
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The whiff of deportation is in the air again. I can recall one notable case in 1964 or 65 when the newly independent Zambian government was very sensitive to any supposed slight to itself or any of its new citizens. A white train driver decided to play a practical joke and he emptied his black co-workers lunchbox replacing his food with a brick. The recipient of the prank did not share his sense of humour and nor did the powers that be, They ordered the prankster to pack his worldly goods and to depart the country forthwith.
To Bob Gillies
I was in the same class as Roger Peplow for a number of years.and I am not at all surprised to hear that he is a Professor of Electronics. He regularly achieved the highest marks in Maths and in many other subjects. He was tall with distinctive features and a very notable gait
I last spotted him in Salisbury in 1969 when I was passing through and he was strolling along the pavement barefooted.
While on the subject of brainboxes there was a Gillies in the form above me (I was in form 3 in 65) who was quite a few inches shorter but apparently twice as clever than most of his classmates .He was a day boy and I only knew him by sight.
Are you the same Gillies by any chance?
You also ask where Fred Stapleberg might be.
In the ‘Looking for’ directory there is a Rudolph Frederick Stapleberg who I remember from my days at Lusaka Boys and the Rennie
Surely the same Fred?
Linda
If you want to know who tried to incapacitate Fluffy Peel you will have to ask Bill. I have never been told who did it. Look for someone with a motive.
Mike Slement
Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 21:17:06 (UTC)
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Anita:
Good on you for posting!! You are NOT an outsider when it is viewed as all belonging to Africa. Glad you had a good holiday back home and please post again.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 18:54:41 (UTC)
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Re. birthday wishes and "no postings from any of these people" ... and I'm one of them. Well, simply because at the end of 2002 apparently being the only Malawian on the GNR, I preferred to quietly sit tight, read and enjoy everything on the GNR.
Not having been home for 34 years, in January 2002 my husband said "woman make reservations, we're going"!!
Although there were tears we had a terrific holiday, I was proud to show my husband where I grew up. Last but not least, a fantastic week at Mfuwe: Kakumbi had a problem with the toilets, the water went "bang down the drain" and we enjoyed romantic evenings without electricity listening to the sounds of Africa. A holiday which was "simply the best"!
I'll pop in another time to say hello although as an outsider I find it just a little difficult barging in on all you Zambians, but after all, we were a federation!!
Take care, and those who are back home enjoy it while you can, one doesn't realize what one has until it's gone.
Anita Bachmann (née Whitlock, formerly Abegg) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Schoenenberg, Switzerland Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 17:42:49 (UTC)
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The Million Dollar Question?
I cannot sleep at nights. Will someone PLEASE tell me who pulled the bridge away that caused Fluffy Peel to descent into the depths of the hole? Imagine what an interesting book someone could write about all the exploits at Gilbert Rennie? It's such a pity that things have changed so much in our world that boys can no longer be boys anymore, without some politically correct "disorder" being given to their behaviour.
"Pantsing" or yanking down some poor unsuspecting boy's gym trunks is grounds for being expelled for sexual harrassment here. Having pulled down a few boys' pants in my youth, I didn't get the impression they were too traumatized.. he! he! oops..
"Snapping" a girl's bra will get you the same sentence here. Isn't this just part of growing up, or am I missing something here? I have shared this story before but I remember when I was in Std. 5 at Kitwe Primary School, I was one of the first girls to get a bra. Now, in those days I was a terrible tomboy, (no, really...) and the thought of wearing this contraption did not sit well with me. The night before I got the danged thing, the episode of The Beverly Hillbillies dealt with Ellie Mae getting her first bra, and Jethro thinking it was a double barrelled sling shot and having a dickens of a time trying to get the thing to work. When I arrived at school with it on, some bright spark snapped it and asked if I was wearing a double barrelled sling shot. My lightning quick response was to kick his legs out from under him in front of his smirking mates and quickly retreat for my jersey. Was I traumatized for life? Methinks not, but I wonder if HE ever got over it... ha! ha!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 15:50:24 (UTC)
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To dearest Joan, Grant, Tony and Kim (Campbell),
Our sincere condolances to you all for the sad loss of your dearest husband and father George, who passed away so suddenly on Thursday night.
George was truly a great friend who will be sadly missed, we have so many fond memories of him and we all loved him so very much.
"Our sympathy and love reach out to you and your family during this time of sadness. We know that the peace and love that surrounds him now is sustaining you all."
Today and always, may loving memories bring you strength, comfort and peace.
With all our love
Allan, Marlene, Gavin and Lindsay
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Lindsay Cummings [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 14:25:20 (UTC)
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To dearest Joan, Grant, Tony and Kim Campbell,
Our sincere condolences to you all for the sad loss of your husband and father George, who passed away so suddenly on Thursday night.
We have so many fond memories of George, he was a great friend who will be sadly missed. We all loved him so very much.
'Our sympathy and love reach out to you and your family during this time of sadness. We know that the peace and love that surrounds him now is sustaining you all."
Today and always, may loving memories bring you strength, comfort and peace.
With all our love
Allan, Marlene, Gavin and Lindsay Cummings
Lindsay Cummings [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 14:17:07 (UTC)
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Gilbert Rennie Days
Reading the members input or is it out put there was mention of Jack Woods. For the four years I was incarcerated in Denny House as a boarder he was one of the live-in Masters. He was also the art teacher at school. I can recall Jack doing the backdrop scenery for the outdoor theatre stage. The stage was set to the left of the Gilbert Rennie and consisted of a hard compacted earthen stage surround on two sides and the back with mature, large, well branched trees. Located up in the branches were a couple of hand railed platforms and the stage flood lighting was festooned along the hand railing. Strapped to the base of one tree was the switchbox with a voltage slider inside. Two Shakespearian plays I assisted another lad with the lights and operated the light controls. Digressed a bit, Jack would lay flat on the wooden floor in the gym, a white bed sheet and with paint apply. When watching what he did it looked a mess and one could not make out what the finished product was to be but when hung from the trees and four, five or six sheets all hanging in a weighted line then a whole backdrop scenery would be clearly defined. Be it stone walls, street passage ways or an open field, once the flood lights came into play as by magic it all became very clear.
From memory Jack would arrange to take four or so of the senior lads on a trip with him during the school holidays. They would head off in his station wagon and travel afar. I can recall on a couple of occasions a number of us would be in his flat and he would have his easel set up and in less than an hour produce a water colour painting. When completed would ask for comments, not to change anything but it gave him a price figure to sell the painting. He then took it to town where there did not seem to be a problem in selling and these funds would then pay for the trip he and the others made in the school holidays.
The other live-in master who was the sporting hero was a great batsman but had an unfair advantage. Somehow two or three of us would end up with punishment details and in his case we had to spend a couple hours one afternoon at the cricket nets. Us young lads could not bowl fast enough so had to throw the cricket ball at his feet trying to hit the wickets. I do not recall that any ever succeeded in ever hitting the wickets but on many an occasion the ball thrown would come whizzing well above your head to fly away out, out and further away. We had to jog after the red ball, not walk and then jog back again.
Another of the masters was a golf nut and again the punishment devised was two of us would be three Rugby fields away. We each had a bucket and whilst he drove golf balls one after the other those on punishment duty would collect the other end. The golf balls would have lost most of the momentum and would reach you still on the bounce. It was much better to catch them on the bounce for if not they ended up in the long grass and it could take a long time to find and recover.
Kept us fit, much better than sitting in front of a computer games console, mind you, given a choice, I too would have been doing something else.
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 12:03:23 (UTC)
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Here is a link to up-to-date detail on our old home country:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/za.html
CU Robert.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 04:05:12 (UTC)
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Hello All,
Just seen that Hans Mattsson has posted on the site, it was his birthday comment and year that reminded me. He lived just down the road from me and we played together for a year or two before he suddenly wasn't around anymore. I will try to contact him.
Great.
Regards Robert.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 02:37:19 (UTC)
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Fiona!
Very best personal wishes for a Happy Birthday. Hope U had a wonderful day.
Love & huggies - Gary, Natasha & Scott
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom Saturday, January 10, 2004 at 00:36:37 (UTC)
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Richard I saw circus acts every day for many years when I was there. Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, January 09, 2004 at 22:59:52 (UTC)
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Hello all.
I lived in Woodlands until early 1966, when we left the country. I have memories of seeing a series of circus acts put on by various people as a show. Unfortunately I don’t remember much more. I seem to recall that they were Lusaka residents. Anybody remember anything of this?
Richard Johnston [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cork, Ireland Friday, January 09, 2004 at 19:45:19 (UTC)
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I have been at the coast for a few weeks and couldn't access my daily GNR fix. Doron, what a coincidence you are growing Flame Lilies, National Flower of "The Regime". I have not seen any in SA until this trip to the coast where I found a bunch growing on an embankment, and more gight in the flower beds of the flats we have, they were in full flower and made me stop the car in it's tracks. I have told my father in law who lives there to watch them go to seed and save me the pods. There are quite a few varities by the ones there were the genuine flowers that were hand painted in the copper ware. They made my trip!
Stories of gilbert Rennie abound -teachers are recalled with differing thoughts. Short man Shaw was had up for whacking a kid hard on the shoulder blade and breaking his coller bone, he used to sneak up on you from behind and wham, out of the blue! Hoffy with one short finder could doek you and you knew it. Lee the flea used a fishing rod , another unknown used a ping pong bat and that was the worst ( only beaten in pain by the cops when someone nameless was give 8 of the very best for indiscretions with his air rifle!) The late Nico Stapelberg was a senior at the Rennie when I was there and I remember all of us looked up to him, was he good at rugby?? His younger brother Freddie was more well known to us, where is Freddie now? Case Rijsdijk I think was at herbert Stanley Hostel with my brother Ross in about 1961 and he was well known for model aeroplanes he built and flew, correct me on this someone. The teacher Neft spoke about 7 languages and lived on a farm somewhere near Leopards Hill area I think the Farm was called Xanadu (memory test here). For any one who knows them I saw Baby and Sharon Bester, Butch (Now Bruce) Anderson, Ronnie Clifton and Batu (Bugs) Da Silva and Sandra (nee Duckenfield) this Christmas in Durbs. All well and happy bunch, a good new year party in Pinetown. Anyone remember Roger Peplow from Lusaka, now a Professor of Electr. Eng at Natal University. I went to the theatre there for a show and sat next to him but total chance, after not seeing him since 1966, boy is he big now. Bi All
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa Friday, January 09, 2004 at 16:36:56 (UTC)
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Hej!
Thank you for reminding me but I stopped having them five years ago. However, in 2049 everybody is invited.
Regards,
HM
Hans Mattsson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Uppsala, Sweden Friday, January 09, 2004 at 15:10:48 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Fiona!
May you remain young and full of fun always.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Friday, January 09, 2004 at 14:02:17 (UTC)
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Fiona
Happy, happy, happy birthday! Enjoy! I won't ask your age. My first wife stuck on 29, year after year. In fact I think she is still 29.
Best regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, January 09, 2004 at 13:39:58 (UTC)
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Hi Peter
Thanks for quick reply, will go into ebay see what I can do. I know we have first day covers too, my Mom and late Dad collected them for us in the early Rhodesian days. I think we have some of the old currency as well, lots of tickies (have I got that right?) etc.
When I phoned a stamp dealer today, he said there is absolutely no interest in African stamps whatsoever which we find strange. Surely it is all part of the history.
Must ask you, were you in Kitwe, your surname is familiar unless it is because when reading the gnr you think you know most of the people just from the messages board.
Denise
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Friday, January 09, 2004 at 13:05:01 (UTC)
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A wonderful warm bubbly fun-filled birthday for a wonderful warm bubbly fun-filled girl. Happy birthday Feef!
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 09, 2004 at 13:02:39 (UTC)
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Robert
Thanks for the info. Hardly seems enough reason to destroy somebodies life eh? Especially as the guy refers to himself as a baboon which shows he is joking.
As to seeking the Kings protection; in Swaziland everyone has the right to 'gokha ingubu' literally meaning hide under his majesty's blanket when he feels he is being persecuted by some official. Probably the same applies in the Zambian tribal customs, so it looks as though there is some traditional basis for this story.
This works fine unless you upset the King, then there is nowhere to hide. However elected officials are not Kings.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Friday, January 09, 2004 at 11:36:23 (UTC)
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Hi Denise..
Northern Rhodesia stamps sell for around 5% of the "catalogue" value on ebay if you are lucky.
Take a peek under "northern rhodesia" at www.ebay.com
I often buy NR First Day covers for $1us if they were mailed in Broken Hill just for sentimental reasons...
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Friday, January 09, 2004 at 09:30:01 (UTC)
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Thanks to every one who sent me birthday wishes here and privately. It kind of gives you a nice warm squishy feeling doesn't it? We are going to London tonight to see "Tonight's the Night" - a Christmas present from my daughter. Other than that, on this, my birthday, it's dark outside and I'm off to work :-( but happily only for half a day. At least I won't be coming home in the dark today.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom Friday, January 09, 2004 at 07:52:40 (UTC)
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Many Happy Returns Of The Day Fiona and dont have to much Jungle Juice tonight, I can hear you singing 21 today Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Friday, January 09, 2004 at 06:48:30 (UTC)
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Fifi La Gayther.........a very happy birthday to you.may you have many more......lots of love
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Friday, January 09, 2004 at 05:50:33 (UTC)
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Fiona Gayther, Hans Mattsson, Graham Thurtell, Barry Robbins
Best wishes on your birthdays
Denise Horton
I have a friend here who is involved in a group of people who study NR/Zambian stamps. I shall ask him for his advice on what to do with them.
Bob Allan
The article by Roy Clarke which you reproduced below was a follow up to the article which has created the current furore.
I am not inclined to reproduce the article in this forum.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Friday, January 09, 2004 at 05:26:12 (UTC)
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Denise,
When you find an outlet, let me know. I too have a sack full of First Day Covers from the old Federal days and beyond. Lat time I checked, they were worth about as much as a Kwacha.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States Friday, January 09, 2004 at 03:29:19 (UTC)
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Sometime back I saw on GNR something about stamps.
We have a boxful of old stamps from way back, 35 years plus, Rhodesia/Nyasaland etc. Can anyone help or suggest what to do, or where to go with them.
Have spoken to a few stamp dealers here and it seems as if there is little or no interest in stamps from that part of the world.
Any ideas would be great.
Denise
Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia Friday, January 09, 2004 at 02:32:11 (UTC)
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Doug: Re your article on Roy Clarke's threatened deportation, apparently the following extract was the offending article he wrote in The Post :
" The Spectator
Baboon
THE King was in his palace, sitting on his throne, reading the morning papers. In the corner sat a whiskery baboon of a fellow, scribbling on his notepad. The silence was interrupted by a timid knock on the door. 'Come in!' boomed the King, as a giant of a man lumbered in, more like a dinosaur, of the sort generally thought to be extinct. It was the dreaded Shaky Shikashiwa, Minister of Law and Disorder.
'You asked to see me, Your Majesty?' said the Minister, bowing very low.
'Yes!' roared the King, 'What are these dreadful things I've been hearing about you? I've called you here to explain yourself!'
'I can't think what you might mean, Your Most Divine Majesty,' replied Shikashiwa, attempting to humble himself with a wobbly grovel.
'Well you'd better start thinking fast,' snapped the King, 'if its not too late in your career. Do you see who that is, sitting in the corner?'
'Looks more like a baboon to me. Did you bring him from Mfuwe?'
'There's no need to make animalistic remarks,' said the baboon. 'I happen to be descended from a long line of hairy ancestors. I am Spectacle Kalaliki, the one who digs deeper for The Boast.'
'Ha ha!' shouted the Mighty Shikashiwa, lurching forward, 'My policee have been searching for him all week!'
'Not so fast!' commanded the King, 'Stay where you are and don't touch him! He is staying here under my protection. He has been telling me that you have called him a baboon, accused him of defaming the government, and you are trying to deport him to Mfuwe..'
'My dear brother, let me explain...'
'Don't you call me your brother!' screamed the King. 'People will think that's your only qualification for the job!'
'My deepest apologies Your Majesty. You see the problem arose when your nephew...'
'My nephew!' screamed the King. 'What sort of talk is this? Doesn't he have a name?'
'Sorry Your Majesty. I mean Mr Putrid Bumble, my Executive Secretary. He got terribly upset when Kalaliki wrote a story about hippos. Apparently the story included one particularly fat hippo which he immediately recognised as himself.'
'He should get his weight down,' snapped the King, 'if he wants to avoid such confusion of identity. But you, Shikashiwa, how did you get into all this?'
'I was coming to that, Your Majesty. The first I knew about it was when there was a rumpus outside my office. Apparently Putrid Bumble had gone into Wachama and rented a gang of kaponya to demand the blood of Kalaliki, and I had to go out there and face this bloodthirsty mob. They were already carrying Kalaliki's coffin, in readiness for the dreadful deed.'
'That's right,' interrupted Kalaliki, looking up from his notepad. 'That's when I came running to the palace for protection.'
The King turned towards the hapless Shikashiwa. 'But aren't you the very one who should have given him protection?'
'Oh I did, Your Majesty. To protect him from the murderous mob, I promised to deport him to Mfuwe. After all, he's obviously a baboon, so that's where he must have originated.'
'Try to get baboons out from your mind,' growled the King. 'What you were supposed to have done was to tell the mob that murder carries the death penalty. And also that you had to follow the rule of law. If Bumble had been defamed, then his proper remedy is to go before a judge to complain, and explain how he had managed to identify himself as the hippo in the story written by Kalaliki. Shikashiwa, don't you understand the smallest thing about government policy?'
'Oh yes, Your Majesty. That's why I have all the policee out looking for Kalaliki.'
'Not police!' screamed the King. 'I'm talking about policy. My government is supposed to stand for the rule of law and freedom of the press. Look at all these newspapers,' he said, sweeping his hand towards the pile on the table. 'I have the international press and human rights organisations from all over the world on my neck! This little Kalaliki is becoming famous, while your Great King is becoming infamous!'
'Terribly sorry, Your Majesty. You must tell me how this new policee is different from our old policee. Do they wear different uniforms?'
'I am going to give you time to find out. I am sending both you and Bumble on forced leave for six months!'
'Where should we go, Your Most Divine Majesty?'
'To Mfuwe,' declared the King.
As the door closed behind the Minister, the King turned to Kalaliki. 'I hope you won't report all this in tomorrow's paper.'
'Its out of my hands,' said Kalaliki. 'That's entirely for the Editor to decide.' "
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I think I remember meeting Roy Clarke on the Copperbelt (Nchanga) back around 1965.
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Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 23:01:58 (UTC)
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I am happy to see that my waffle about Gilbert Rennie has encouraged a few new members to post.
Vic
Are you sure it was Gilbert Rennie pool in 1958? I left in 1958 and I cannot recall a pool. We used to have to go to some other hostels (Hubert something???) closer to town to swim. As for your clothes jacking escapade I am glad to hear that I was not the only skelm at school. I see you are in Harari. All I can say is 'Vasbyt'.
Michael
You were obviously at Rennie some time after me, so if Jack Woods was there he must have returned from exile. You are right about Fluffy of course. I rather liked him. I don't know why he got up Bill's nose. He used to give anti-smoking lectures while a fag was flapping in the corner of his mouth. Where does the saying of 'Vat om Fluffy' come from. For the Taal-challenged it means 'Grab him Fluffy'.
I once got evicted from a cinema in Melbourne for getting carried away and shouting 'Vat om Fluffy' during a porn movie. Maybe I thought I was back at a Carlton Matinee cheering on the hero.
Almal
A few days ago it was reported that Zambia's finance minister announced that Zambia was bankrupt. So what's new?
Now we read that the Zambian Home affairs minister Lt-Gen Ronnie Shikapwasha is going to ignore a High Court order and deport British-born columnist Roy Clarke. Clark and his Zambian activist wife have gone into hiding after a column by him in 'The Post' referred to the Government in various animal terms on the model of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm'.
This brings back bad memories of past tyrannical regimes and their 24 hour deportations. Ronnie has now drawn world wide contempt on a Government that cannot even stand a bit of satire. If he had just left it alone, there would not be a hundredth of the damage done, that he has now caused by his tyrannical action.
The donor countries on whose charity Zambia survives should crack the whip and get this idiot fired, and the law forbidding journalists to ridicule the President repealed. It is good medicine for all politicians to occasionally have a pin stuck into their balloon of pomposity to bring them down to earth and remind them that they are there to serve the people and not vice-versa.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 18:29:42 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Bobby Huntley
Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 16:24:02 (UTC)
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Robert Huntley
Best wishes on your birthday
Earth Tremors (extracted from Zambezi, Journey of a river by Michael Main)
1957/58, when the dam was being built was the International Geophysical Year. Thus the building of the dam provided scientists with an excellent opportunity to measure the drepression effects of this mass on water on the earth's surface.
In order to do this, a number of points were surveyed on the bed of the lake and also in the surrounding area. They consisted of triangular steel platforms, set in concrete and located in a horizontal plane within a centimetre of accuracy.
The mass of water in Kariba has been calculated at 160 000 million tonnes, placed there by man rather than by nature. This mass is not evenly distributed along the length of the lake.
Kariba is divided into five distinct basins with the deepest one, the one carrying the most load, being at the end of the lake near the wall.
Measurements were taken in 1969 and in 1975. In 1969, the most easily accessible site was along the Makuti Road where thirty of the markers had survived the years. Thirty six kilometres from Kariba, the fall in the level of the earth's surface was 23 mm. About ten kilometres from the shore, the fall is approximately 50 mm and on the lake shore, the fall was 120 mm.
However, not all measured points had moved downwards; some had increased their altitude although these were mostly points some distance from the lake. Even one island, Redcliff Island, had risen by 57 mm.
When further measurements were taken in 1975, it was found that no further depression of the earth's surface had taken place and it was suggested that what movement was going to take place had mostly taken place. However, three measurement points had risen. These were all situated in Karro Sediments and is has been suggested that this was due to the sandstone absorbing more water than other substances and expanding in the process.
The first recorded earthquake after the closing of the dam wall in December 1958 was recorded in June 1959 when the water level had rised to 60 metres. After that time, there was almost continuous background seismic activity until mid-1963. During that time, 2,000 separate tremors were recorded. From September to November 1963, there was a peak in earthquake activity. This coincided with the filling of the lake to its maximum level for the first time. 87% of seismic energy released in ten years of records up to 1968 was released in two days of peak activity starting on 23 September 1963. The three largest earthquakes recorded in Kariba all occurred in the same month.
After that peak, the number and magnitude of the tremors returned to the low level activity seen previously. Today we experience periodic resurgences of activity. The last one I experienced was about two years ago when I was at Siavonga, but it was hardly noticeable; a slight rumbling noise and a slight movement of the ground under you feet.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 15:21:27 (UTC)
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Sometimes i feel quite bitter that i am living in this frozen tundra called Canada. Why did Africa need to get so screwed up?
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 08:44:17 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday to all and a special hug to Lusaka Convent chyna and classmate Susan Anthony Pursey. Miles of smiles Sue! I guarantee your quieter GNR classmates Dawn, Pat, and Liz are watching and wishing you well too. I think that's all the GNR ones....
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Thursday, January 08, 2004 at 02:07:25 (UTC)
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Helen Lawther.
I will contact a friend who lives in Bulawayo about your clock.
Nico Stapelberg.
I played Rugby at Gilbert Rennie with Nico . He was always very popular, and I am saddened that it was his time to move on. My condolences to his family.
Doug Grewar
wow you jogged my memory a bit with the names from Gilbert Rennie.
My close friend was Ken du Plooy, whose father maintained the Power grid stepdown substation at Leopards Hill, which supplied Lusaka.
One Saturday in 1958, Ken said he had heard that a crowd was going skinny dipping at Gilbert Rennie swimming Pool.
We arrived at the pool, parked some distance away, and approached the empty motor cars.The doors had been left unlocked, so we grabbed as much clothing as we could and put in our car. We climbed on to the pump station roof to await developements. It wasnt too long and the first swimmers went to get their clothes, and the fun started.
Ken and I could not stop laughing and we made it to our car (Morris Minor side valve that took forever to get up to speed)We sped away followed by a few motor cars, and the chase lasted quite a while until we were cornered and we parked in Roy Uren's garden, and hid behind a Granadilla fence. Our hunters finally located our car but were unsure that it was the vehicle that they were looking for. At this time Roy arrived and parked next to our car and was having a look at the strange vehicle, we managed to whisper to him a brief outline of what was going down. He played along for a while, and then we returned the clothing. The swimmers were not amused, but it was a night to remember. I wonder if there is anyone reading this that was present that night.
Zim is going through a particularly awkward time. There is speculation that about 6 banks are likely to crash, and no one is too sure how far the repercussions will reach. Interesting week!
Linda Dore ( I think it was you) mentioned helping pensioners whose financial situation were in dire straights.
There has been a fund started for this purpose. There are i think 5 very well known and respected trustees who are responsible for this trust. The trust itself is based in Botswana to avoid the Zim inflation. Just recently this fund gave Z$2 million to Moth Cottages as they were in trouble.
If you would like the names of the trustees, please contact me.
May I wish all the GNR members a very pleasant and happy
2004
Vic Bekker
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Harare, Zimbabwe Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 23:53:05 (UTC)
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Heather looking forward to seeing the pics and you must let me know what drew you there in the first place, and on reflection canes ,whips , Izigo Endaba, Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:58:27 (UTC)
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Chinyerzi Chintu
Please send me an email. I have lost your address.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:47:48 (UTC)
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Hello to everyone! I am wondering if anyone might be able to help - I am trying to locate details of a clockmaker based in Bulawayo and was hoping on the off-chance that someone may know something about this particular person? My famiy has a clock made by W.H. Blackler clockmaker in Bulawayo, and as the clock needs repair we were hoping to try and locate this business or find anyone who remembers anything about these rare clocks from the 1950's. If anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated, a bit of a long-shot I know! Many thanks! :)
Helen Lawther [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United States Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 17:20:08 (UTC)
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Lots of missed birthday wishes:
Wendy Trollip, Graham Kresfelder, Maureen Trent, Nanette Homan, Nicola Lowe, Chris Hanley, Glenys Clark, Suzanne Harding, Neil Ashton, Judith Guy, Joanna Freedendal, Hans Dielissen, Anita Bachmann, Derek Anderson, David Mclean, Gordon Garlick, Susan Pursey, Diana Young and for today:
Christopher Stead, Jane Todd and Sheila Simpson
I just wonder why we never see any postings from these people??
Johnny
Yes, I did get to Swakopmund, but was only there for two days so it was pretty rushed. Next time I shall look up your friends. Also tried to do a tour round Rossing mine, but it seems that the whole of Namibia closes down over New Year, so they weren't running their usual trips.
I notice that you're obviously into caning. Myself, I prefer the whip!
Will post some photos for you in a day or two (of Namibia, not the whip)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 15:26:25 (UTC)
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SALT
There have been numerous postings about the Gilbert Rennie School recently and this has jogged my memory. I had intended to post this last November but work intervened!
I attended the 52nd Bernard Price Memorial Lecture shortly after returning from the 'Lark' and the speaker was one Case Rijsdijk who was born in Holland but was educated at Gilbert Rennie/Kabalonga (Spelling?) Anyone remember Case? His lecture was entitled "Fingerprinting the Universe with SALT". He is the current Chairman of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa and has been very active in the SALT project (South African Large Telescope) that is being built at Southerland, ±160 km from Cape Town. It is an updated version of the Hobby-Eberly Telescope (HET) in Texas and has an effective diameter of 10 meters, can detect the light equivalent of a candle flame on the moon and has the resolving power capable of detecting a 2.5 cm disc (1 inch for Arthur!) at a distance of 10 km. The telescope is due for completion at the end of December 2004 at a cost of US$ 30 million. Case was one of the members of the team which decided on the technical requirements. And the ground work was laid at Gilbert Rennie!! For anyone interested there is an informative SALT website at www.salt.ac.za
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 14:16:33 (UTC)
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Dear Johnny:
Never having been caned by anyone other than my mother, I cannot say that I enjoy it at all.
Believe it or not, but I absolutely loved school. I do remember one incident, however, that was an embarrassment to my dignity. I used to love to wear my skirts quite short as a teenager, (no... really!) but we had a dress code at Kitwe Girls' High. The skirt had to touch the floor if you knelt down. In other words, it had to be at least down to your knees. Never one to accept authority (wot!!?), I undid the neatly machined hem on my blue skirt and hand sewed it up a few inches higher. Well, okaaay, a few more inches higher.... One morning in assembly the Headmistress at the time, Miss Todd, asked me to come forward to the stage. "Kneel down, Miss Dore!" Needless to say, the skirt was nowhere near the knees. She made me pull out all the stitching and walk around with my skirt in tatters at the hemline. Of course, girls being girls, I suffered numerous taunts throughout the day. Not quite the same as a caning, but did teach me something. I learned a very good lesson from that humiliating and life traumatizing experience. After that, I always made sure my stitching was too tight to undo... ha! ha!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:38:10 (UTC)
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Johhny...
What I meant was my the first bloom on my flame lily was a faint colour of red......oh and yes it is true you sure do have the art to make the girls blush........trust me I know , you old devil you.........(all those emails you send to us girls!!!!)
I have been reading that in Zims there are now problems with Banks going bankrupt....and more than 70% of the population is unemployed......
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 13:25:59 (UTC)
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Dear Linda you comment on the caning, that it was to know how to handle women do you still enjoy caning? Love Johnny.x
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Scarborough, United Kingdom Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 07:39:42 (UTC)
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Here is a link to more info on Kariba earthquakes (requires Adobe reader to open a pdf file).
http://www.dams.org/docs/kbase/studies/cszzanx.pdf
Apparently there have been thousands of earthquakes, most very small, with the largest to date being 6.1 on the Richter scale on Sept. 23, 1963.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 05:28:00 (UTC)
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(No doubt that girls have a better time at school).
Lusaka Girls' School Memories! OR
Another reunion on the GNR.
Angela Walters formerly Angela Nutt of my Lusaka Girls' School year is looking for a BUNCH of us. Please check out the names and see if you can put her in touch with anyone else. The names were a huge blast from the past for me.
She has all our names because we all signed her autograph book before she left, from City Airport, to return to England. We talked of the importance of copperplate handwriting to our teachers. I told her she could forget about mine. She said she already knew that because she hadn't even been able to make out what I had written for my birthdate.
Anyway to backtrack obviously I emailed her back and reached her son who replied with her address and phone number since she is not on email. She is in England and I spent about an hour and a half on the phone with her this afternoon. It was the loveliest reunion. The first reunion, we hope, of many.
She is writing a book about those times and what a memory she has!!!!!!
She MUST complete that book. She is very gifted. She is also an illustrator, by-the-way.
Everything that follows is due to her recall.
She spoke of the Head Mistress, Miss Gross, reading: "The Long Grass Whispers" and: "Just So Stories" to us under the Big Tree before afternoon dismissal.
She recalls the powdered blue ink that was mixed with water to fill the ink wells, and the blue-toothed member of our class, name blissfully forgotten, who used to like drinking that ink.
Angela was always the class artist and decorated the Merit Board for the School Houses - Boadicea, Elizabeth and Victoria.
It was on this Board that we earned those 5 little silver stars that equated one gold star and the brown demerit stars. At the end of every term these were all totalled up for each House and the winning House was announced.
There was one terrible crime, a crime above all crimes, that would earn you a galaxy of brown stars, the dreaded "brown stripe" that you could never catch up enough gold stars to wipe out and that wiped out your House's chance of winning that term. Owners of brown stripes would have to stand up front in that Assembly in shame!
What was this terrible crime??? It is too terrible to utter before you all. It was to be caught in the use - I cannot say it - but I must be strong and tell the story, so - it was to be caught in the use of ......................a fountain pen!
For years little girls caught using a fountain pen were brown striped and held up as hardened offenders. Then Miss Gross departed. Miss Patterson with the incredibly fat dachund took over as Headmistress. We saw our opportunity and our year led a revolt.
We think this was originally the brainchild of the Wasserberger sisters and Angela, maybe others. Anyway we all signed a petition to allow the fountain pen and end this persecution and miraculously our petition was accepted. Thanks to a bit of guts and initiative the old order of the dipping pen passed away and we moved on to fountain pens and individual bottles of Quink. The only area left for revolt was in how far we could push the rules on official ink colour.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 04:09:47 (UTC)
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Linda,
please believe me you missed absolutely nothing by not going to boarding school.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Wednesday, January 07, 2004 at 02:00:33 (UTC)
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Ladies:
Do you s'pose all these blokes got caned so much at Gilbert Rennie because the teachers and house masters were grooming them to be man enough to handle us women? He! He! Just kidding with you guys. Things have certainly changed over the years in schools, haven't they?
Joking aside, I am really enjoying all these stories about Gilbert Rennie. Being a Kitwe town girl who ran away when her father threatened boarding school, I can see that I missed out on an awful lot of adventure. Then again....
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 23:12:26 (UTC)
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Hi, Mike,
Yeah , it was Fluffy Peel.
A right surly old bastard. Couldnt stand him.
And I know who took the bridge away.
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 20:39:07 (UTC)
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I found Doug Grewar’s stories about the Gilbert Rennie interesting and quite amusing. I arrived at the school in 1963 some 4 or 5 years after he had left.
Gerry (Bushie) Swart had returned to the school as a science teacher. The last I heard of him he was working as a geologist in the Welkom goldmines.
Dave Shaw (the young short geography teacher) was a Housemaster at Williams House and he wielded a surprisingly painful cane for such a slightly built man
I also thought he was a good teacher. I actually learnt something in his classes.
Jack Woods the arts teacher was also still there and if he left under a cloud it was not common knowledge among the pupils. Not in my circle of friends anyway.
Another noted Old Boy who returned as a teacher (Housemaster at Denny) was William Muller
Bill to the other teachers. Fatty to us pupils. The nickname notwithstanding he commanded tremendous respect as he was a great all-round sportsman in his day .I believe he left for Australia
Mr Peel was called Fluffy of course, not Frenchy.
He was quite elderly and in one notorious incident well before my time (my brother told me the story) he was fortunate to escape serious injury or even death. His house was separated from the road by a deep ditch, which he had to cross every time he left or entered his dwelling. The bridge over the ditch consisted of a slab of concrete. One very dark night unnamed pupils removed this slab resulting in Fluffy falling very heavily into the ditch and injuring a leg in the process.
If Doug returned today to the Swart farm in Chisamba I believe that he would find a lot of it unchanged. It still belongs to the family and Boet (the third son) and his family are in residence there.
My family owned the neighbouring farm and we were often invited to go round to pick and eat as many watermelons that we could manage.
Mike Slement
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Hertfordshire, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 19:29:33 (UTC)
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Earth Tremors
I too can recall two very strong tremors and two more that were not as bad. The engineers had predicted that as Kariba filled this would occur but had not indicated how loud it would be. The first tremor you could hear it from afar rumbling with the sound increasing as it sped towards you and then having passed rumbled away to quietness again.
The first time we were in class in Gilbert Rennie and the vibrations were that strong that it was extremely difficult to walk as we tried to evacuate the school room. It resulted in a couple of very minor cracks in the plaster above the doorway into the classroom. The second tremor the teachers must have had a meeting for as soon as it was heard our teacher stood up and said ‘follow me boys’ and out the door she walked. None of us moved, we carried on and I can still see in my minds eye one lad sat across from me who was filling his fountain pen from a bottle on his desk. As the vibration hit us the bottle started to spin on the desk and we were so amazed that none left the classroom at the antics of the third full bottle of ink. When I say spin it was a wobbling spin similar to a coin that has been spinning and is now slowing, wobbling around on its circumference. The bottle came to a rest without spilling any ink nor did it move to the edge of the desk. We had to endure a lecture about not doing as we had been instructed in following the teacher out and putting others at risk etc, etc.
Doug, read with great interest your accounting of Rennie days and add to your accounts and confirm that the reputation of a certain deputy headmaster you mention was well founded.
For me in Denny House the only thing William’s house had going for it was that they did not have Hofmeyer as their house master, we did and I had to visit his office on quite a few occasions. I never ever received six of the best as that seemed to be reserved for those caught smoking. It was either three or four strokes never one. In his office he had this carefully selected low wooden arm chair and you had to bend over with your hands resting on the arms so that ones backside was pointing upwards. He did not actually draw a chalk line across but his accuracy felt as though he had done so or was it practise made perfect and by gum he had plenty of practise every term. Wham the first stroke and then the little chat before the second and then asking one to explain to him why one was being punished wham the next stroke. His caning was to perfection, it stung to hell but never did it draw any blood. Some of the other teachers could and it was not funny when removing ones under rods at the end of the day to find they had stuck where the skin had been broken. It was a case of getting in the shower to soak them off! The worst implement was by one of the teachers in the science lab who was want of using a doubled over length of rubber tubing from a Bunsen burner. This when connected with ones backside moulded itself to all the contours and wrapped itself around at the end unlike the cane. For me the most painful form of punishment was meted out by a history teacher. He would place a piece of chalk between each finger as close to the palm on one of your hands then he would squeeze the ends of you spread fingers together, that hurt!!!??? This was his final resort as earlier punishment was to go to the front of the class at the end of the lesson and hold out your hand whilst it was hit with a cane. Being a tough Rhodesian would walk to the front of the class carrying our school bag in one hand and dropping the bag hold the same hand up. Whack and reaching down with the hit hand pick up ones bag and saunter out as though nothing had occurred.
So the big bang of the 60's is out. I can still remember the explosion one night in the early hours outside the dormitory. Every window in the vicinity must have rattled. The bomber one day had prepared his short section of lead pipe with explosives and on the sport field lit the fuse and placing a metal dustbin lid on top quickly moved back to where the rest of us observers were stood. With a thunder clap bang the lid flew straight up into the sky to a height where it appeared to be the size of a plate. Back to earth it came not too far away from its take off point but now it did not resemble a dustbin lid but more like the nose cone of a rocket.
I fully enjoyed my four years as a boarder as there was a lot of good things going on and I did get away with a lot more than I was caught, for even though we were caned, it was simply a way of school life at that time.
To all GRN have a great 2004
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 11:34:34 (UTC)
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I used to babysit for the Bottoms. Their son was Patrick, the daughter Victoria, and father was Seth. He dide a few years ago of leukaemia. Patrick is now a dentist in England, but I don't know what became of Victoria.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 10:24:25 (UTC)
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Ali my eyes are not very good lately, did you say you were just starting to blush? I suffer with the same thing, but my latest girlfriend says that what makes me blush would cause her to leave the country, Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 09:56:03 (UTC)
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Hi All....with Dorons news about his flame lillies...I can say with much joy that my flame lillies are in bloom at last..the first flower just starting to blush.....after 6 years of having these wonderful blooms I still get a lot of joy when they first start to bloom....a little bit of Northern Rhodesia/Zambia greeting everyone at my front door......
Ali
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Perth, Australia Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 07:30:15 (UTC)
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Doron
You're a great daddy and this is the best kind of fatherhood. These babies won't keep you up at night.
Translation for everyone else - Doron has five little Flame Lily plants growing inside his house in freezing Canada. They are poking their leafy tongues out at the cold world outside the window and revelling in the jaarpie accents around them.
When I asked on the GNR if people over here wanted seeds he is one who not only asked but planted them indoors right away.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 05:47:49 (UTC)
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ahhh, mr Nefdt. I remember him connecting someones butt with a chair leg. That person NEVER EVER gave him a problem again. Man you peoples memory sure leaves mine lacking.
Happy new year eveyone.
Tina, i have babies, 5 of them, lol.
Doron Grill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Tuesday, January 06, 2004 at 01:51:31 (UTC)
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John,
I was at Luanshya High til '62 or '63 and our headmaster was a Mr Bottom. He was Irish and his nostrils used to flare when he spoke. He taught us maths for a very short while and was a bum maths teacher. He used to set us a problem and then give us the answer before we had time to work it out. He was a fairly young head and his first child was born when he was at Lya High. Must have been the same guy??? He was either Patrick or his son was - can't remember.
Just had a thought... He could be reading this. If you are, Mr Bottom, let us know what you are doing.
Hope you all have a terrific 2004.
Sue
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Sydney, Australia Monday, January 05, 2004 at 21:18:03 (UTC)
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Happy New Year everyone!
I remember earth tremors in 1963 when I was at Woodlands School, Standard 4. They said it was due to Kariba filling with water behind the newly completed dam wall which was overloading the substrata.
I was at the Rennie (part time, not a boarder!) until 1967. Teachers of note were the seriously psycho Wilson (history) who kept order by showering the class with shards of timber from his blackboard pointer which he slammed into the desk. (well once that happened then!); Max Rush (the aussie Geog teacher); Mrs Edmonds (french, although she was Belgian); Mrs Etheridge (?) whose monumental chest seemed to precede her into the classroom by some minutes; Mr Coffey (maths) who introduced me to the delights of corridor meetings with Hoffie during class time....(ouch!); Mr Nefdt (latin) whose passion for cricket made latin pass so easily!
Rowe-Roberts had left when I got there. Instead there was the delightful Mr Bottom. (Bum by name, bum by nature).
Does anyone remember those ridiculous lines on the corridors? Left lane, right lane and middle lane for teachers and prefects?
The shock when I arrived at a school in England. Line up outside a classroom? ...no; quiet during lessons? ...no; backchat teachers or prefects? ...compulsory! The best years of your life!
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom Monday, January 05, 2004 at 13:55:15 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to you all
Just to let you know, Dr Kenneth Kaunda was a guest on BBC Radio 2's "Good Morning Sunday" programme with presenter Don Maclean yesterday. If you want to hear the interview you can "listen again" on the following site : http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/goodmorningsun/biography.shtml
Just look for the "listen again" link and select - I think it will bring up yesterdays programme but I haven't got sound on this pc so cannot be sure which sunday show it will play.
Carole
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Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom Monday, January 05, 2004 at 13:04:21 (UTC)
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Tina I suppose you have a point there, Love Johnny.
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Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 23:32:57 (UTC)
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Dear Johnny
Could I have known you this long and not learned about baiting?
Love,
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 23:29:08 (UTC)
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Dear Tina you were aware that you had to put bait on hooks when fishing wern't you? Love Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 21:46:35 (UTC)
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Back from a short (fishless) but very sweet excursion to the Oklahoma bundu. Lots of armadillos and raccoons bumbling around at night and stars for miles, spoor for deer and coyote on morning hike, storks and herons fishing - successfully. I suppose my beak just isn't sharp enough and my timing is off!!!!!!!
Reuniting Friends
On our Lusaka Convent site Meg Rybicki brought up the website: friendsreunited.com
If you search on this you see friendsreunited.com U.K. and Australia. There is also planetreunited.com and please post on the GNR if you have had success through other sites. Good hunting all!
Kariba Rumbles
I remember three. The first one we were actually in class at the Convent with Sister Catherine talking about earthquakes when the "train" rumbled across the land. We actually laughed (nervously) at the coincidence as she shupaed us out the door and off the verandah onto the grass.
Second one I remember waking up in my dad's arms and seeing the night sky overhead. (Heavy sleeper!)
Third one is just a mental impression that there was a third one.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 19:33:56 (UTC)
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1972 is approximately when I remember the earthquake too, I was sleeping at home in Chelston and was awoken by it. Also remember the same reason (Kariba dam) as being behind it. There may have been one or more similar quakes or aftershocks after that.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 18:53:13 (UTC)
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John Michael Slaughter
The article in question is one of more than ten articles I have published on Zambian culture with the “World & I” magazine since 1990. This one was among a series of 3 articles published in 1997 on how children are raised in traditional Zambia. I recommend that you go on the web: www.worldandi.com and type in: “Tembo” and you will see all my articles. Incidentally, some of the articles have provisions for use for teaching in the classroom. If you can’t get a copy of this particular one, send me your address I think I may have one off print somewhere. My other significant publication is a beautiful coffee table book I wrote: “Legends of Africa” that was published in 1996. I just found out its just gone out of print. But there are plenty of copies on the internet. I have translated the Nyanja reader that I enjoyed reading when I was a young boy in Standard 2 and 3 in 1963 at Rukuzye Primary school that lies on the bank of the Rukuzye Dam about 40 miles north of Fort Jameson now Chipata. It is called: “Kalulu ndi Nyama Zinzace” (Kalulu and his Brother Animals) originally published by MacMillan in 1948. A Dutch missionary compiled them. It has 24 short folktales with Kalulu or the Hare as the trickster. I have been looking for publishers of the translated version for the last 10 years.
Soccer Win
I am thrilled that Zambia beat South Africa. I miss Liwewe. I have realized that Liwewe is not just commentator, he is a creative passionate poet. I can never think of any important soccer games in Zambia without his voice as a booming backdrop. When I become President of Zambia, the first item on the agenda for my administration will be to win the "Africa Cup Nations Cup" and after that win "The World Cup".
Earth Quake
I remember the earth tremor of 1972. It was at about 4:00 am when my bed shook on my fourth floor dormitory room at University of Zambia. There was a permanent crack along one of the walls that I saw all those four years I was there. I remember one student joking that he thought a thief was hiding under his bed because he was woken up as his bed was shaking so much.
Mwizenge Tembo [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Virginia, United States Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 18:41:45 (UTC)
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Johnny
Probably Borstal would have been better! Old Dennis would have been evicted before his 23rd birthday. However there would have been no paw-paws for me to scrump.
Bill
Yes I recall listening to the LM Sunday evening hit parade on the blue saucepan radio belonging to the one guy there. We could not turn up the volume too loud as it came on after lights out. Forbidden pleasures are always sweeter.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 18:13:57 (UTC)
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Doug yes I can remember my Zambian name it was CABIOLA, The man shaped like a bottle.
Are you sure it was Rennies you attended it sounds more like Borstal to me.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 16:39:30 (UTC)
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Doug,
What a great stream of memory. You have a better aptitude for names than I .
I remember the guy in the # 1 bed but not his name. The little Pom who was a wrestler is John Warburton. He and I were in Mufulira School together. He wanted to become a nuclear physist and went to UK... Ive lost track. ----if anyone knows where he is, let me know as we only had 13 in our final year at MuF - 1956 "O" Levels and I have been trying for years to recall all the names of those 13.
I have : John Warburton, Richard Wienand(dec),(both Williams House) Anthony Dowds(Durban), Isaac James ( Cape Town),(both Denny Hostel) Mike McCarthy, Judith Watson, Des Froud, myself and ? ?
John was also the guy that went up the hill outside Rennie, with me one day,, when we decided to test our latest bomb. We had, as 6th formers, access to all sorts of chemicals in Chemistry. Potasium this and sodium that. Made a bomb with layers of tins with stones and etc packed around them, and bound by wire. A fire built and in it went. After 20 mins.... nothing. So Johno, the dolt, insisted on opening it. He squatted over it and took off the wire with a pliers we had. As the first wire snapped, the thing went off. Fortunately, he had the tin pointed at 90 to his legs , so the blast went forward and back and not up or sideways. He ended up with black pockmarks on forehead but his manliness intact. Somewhat of a hole in the veldt. Success! The noise was heard. !
Oh?
some teacher or other - I recall it was Hoffman, came up as we staggered to the dorm with my shirt wrapped on his face, and took him to be patched up. Moi, I scrambled to assume responsibility as I was off soon anyway and didnt give a hoot.
Remember the listening to David Davies from
Lourenco Marques on Sunday evenings on the big wireless we had in the dorm?
Bill
William Knott [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 15:22:21 (UTC)
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Neil
The score was 1-0.
Johnny
I'm not surprised! I'm Doug!
Almal and Everyone!
I see a few new members went to Gilbert Rennie. The name of a few more teachers come to mind. William's Hostel Fuhrer was Frenchy Peel of course, assisted by 2 housemasters Woods the moffie, and Purcell who was Irish and fond of it, the whisky that is!
One night we were waiting until he was out of the way before we could get up to some mischief , and we were spying on him staggering along the main corridor supporting the wall with one arm as usual. Unfortunately somebody had left the sick room door open and when he reached there he missed his handhold and to our great glee took a dive into the sick room.
Jock Sloan was kIng of the woodwork shop and when he wanted to emphasize a point he would grab the short hairs on the side of your head and pull them painfully. (Not the short and curlies Johnny, that was Wood's trick. He was thrown out when one boy complained and he then moved to Livingstone where he carried on teaching, and moffieing, no doubt.)
There was Big Brown the science teacher, who taught me how to keep bees, and of course Little Brown the maths teacher with the gorgeous wife and the two tone car.
Hofmeyer the English teacher was a legend of course, the most feared caner in Gilbert Rennie. One day he gave Eric Hindmarch, the godfather of the smokers club, 6 of the best in front of the class. Now Eric was a tough guy but he had to battle to keep the tears from his eyes, because genteel but sadistic Hoffy gave a lecture between each stroke along the lines of 'this hurts me more than it hurts you, dear boy'.
When I arrived at Gilbert Rennie in 1954 I was put into Form 2 with Eric and and his sidekick Dennis from Choma. Dennis was reputed to be 23 years old and liked form 2 so much he stayed in it for several years. He said that the only way they could get him out of school was to burn it down! The ever resourceful principal Rowe-Robert managed to evict him somehow at the end of the year.
Rowe-Roberts the bald eagle, who can forget him? I believe he is late now. When somebody painted RRA graffiti (Rhodesian Republican Army) on the school roof, he said that thought it meant Rowe-Roberts academy. When his son Peter, caught me scrumping his Dad's paw-paws from their garden one night he reported me to RR. In the ensueing interview with RR he exceeded Hoffy's efforts in giving me 6 of the best. I think he was also a paw-paw fiend and must have been waiting patiently for the one I pinched to ripen.
The PE teacher was germanic Meyer with neat wavy blonde hair and moustache.
There was a short young teacher called Shaw, I think, who used to teach geography (?) and English. One day he introduced my ear to a fat encyclopaedia for talking out of turn. He was dangerous! He had a bad habit of throwing things at us to try and keep order. He also annoyed du Toit by always calling him du Twot. This nearly led to a punch up one day as du Twot was as big as Shaw.
Another teacher always used to annoy Brian Uren by calling him urine. There were other students I remember such as Poopoog Erasmus who used to roll his eyes to try and intimidate opponents. Also Godfrey Swan, a gentleman, and his rough young brother Oekert who turned the tales on me when I tried to give him a hiding for calling me 'Wirebrush'. Then there was big Boet Erasmus, a prefect at Denny Hostel who had a fight with one chap from Dorm 4 Williams house. Our guy was tall and slim but well muscled and very tough. Bill Knott, help me out with his name? He was there around 1956 to 57 and occupied the first bed on the right as you entered dorm 4. The dorm prefect at the time was Japie Venter, the same one I blasted with the fire hose before making an early morning exit from the hostel one Christmas for the last time. Unfortunately I was forced to return in the new year by my Dad.
Our head prefect was Gerhardus Swart who hated his nickname 'Bosvark' or 'Bushpig'. I was good friends with his younger brother Hermanus 'Tokkie' Swart, and we often used to hitch-hike out to his Dad's farm at Chisamba to guzzle on biltong and watermelons. Sadly Tokkie (little beetle) is also late, he walked into a downed powerline while taking a short cut through the bush to his farm.
As you know the Afrikaans people have a gift for giving nicknames. Then also so do the Zambians. They will usually give you a more polite version of your nickname, and only a few people get to know their real nickname. A man with a long nose could be called 'Chimona' while a bald person could be called 'Chilipala'. One Mine Captain at Nchanga who always stood with his legs spread apart was named 'Katangalele'. A man with a wooden leg might be called 'Stikinyau'. The best one was a pal of mine in Swaziland who because of his addiction to sherry was named 'Old Brown'.
Also in our Dorm were Dirk Uys and Oekert Cameron the boxers, Tony (twot) Robertson the cricketer who went on to become a famous gynacologist, Digby Aitkins who excelled in book-keeping. He must be a rich man today. I think our book-keeping teacher was Mrs. Stockwell with the lovely hooters and long nose. I always used to get distracted. There was also a slightly built guy named Warburton who knew quite a few wresting holds and throws. Despite his smaller size he always beat me in wrestling which was very annoying! At the end was noisy George Goodwin who was with Bill in HMS Pinafore. Another guy who used to hate his nickname was 'Zonk'. There was my friend Gavin 'Stompie' Edwards who I met several years later farming at Karoi. Then there was the earnest Vogelsang. Hell, the names are bubbling up from the dim recesses of my grey matter, like bubbles of methane in the Okavango swamps this morning!
Another good friend was and still is Harry Kallman, who I remet through the GNR. Harry's big brother is a member of GNR and he reconnected us.
Well I have waffled enough! Sorry if I have bored non Gilbert Rennie-ites and maybe have repeated some earlier stories. However I ask those new members if they can add their stories of our wierd and wonderfull school, teachers and fellow students.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Sunday, January 04, 2004 at 11:08:44 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to all,
Richard, condolences on the passing of your mother. I seem to have lost your e-mail address and would like to stay in touch, please send an e-mail. Thanks.
Ayub, not sure if its the one you mean, but in 1965 there was a tremor in Lusaka one night, ( originating from Kariba) and it sounded like a diesel locomotive passing through my bedroom. Apart from waking everyone, and setting every dog barking I do not recall any more serious damage than a few windows cracked.
Roger
Roger Ward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Westbank, British Columbia, Canada Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 23:14:11 (UTC)
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Ayub:
1963 was a little before my time but in about 1972 a tremor rumbled through the Kabwe area from, it was said, Lake Kariba. The explanation was that nature hadn't intended that volume and weight of water to be where it was and so every once in a while the land would settle under the weight and so produce tremors that would rumble out across the country.
Neil McNicholas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 22:29:40 (UTC)
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I can hear Dennis Liwewe now...
GOOOOAAAALLLLL.... (should be much longer than this)
see, I've learned from my previous indiscretion.
and had no beer!!!
What was the score?
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 20:06:50 (UTC)
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Doug are you suprised?.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 19:52:51 (UTC)
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Zambia has just beaten South Africa at soccer!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 17:41:53 (UTC)
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Richard...condolences on the passing away of your mum.
Earthquake...the earthquake in Iran reminded me of a strong tremor that shook Zambia in (I think) 1963. Anyone remember it?
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 13:06:49 (UTC)
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Mwizenge S Temba is the author of a anthology called 'The cunning prey:Animal tales from the Tumbuka of Eastern Zambia.' Please assist me acquire a copy and I am also interested if it is available in the original Tumbuka vernacular.Any similar publications would also interest me.
John Michael Slaughter [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 12:26:59 (UTC)
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For students of the Gilbert and Jean Rennie Schools in the 1960's and '70's. They may remember my mother, Mrs. Anne L Stracey who taught there. She passed away on 14/12/03 at Four Marks,Hants.UK at the age of 92. Her funeral will be on 7/1/04. More information from Janet Hawke (nee Stracey) on jan.hawke@virgin.net or 01420 562382.
Richard H Stracey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 01:10:50 (UTC)
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Meg yes it was me requesting a blazer badge but as usual I have got it wrong it is the old boys association badge he was looking for but your personal EM is not available on the gnr at the moment so will talk when you get back thanks Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom Saturday, January 03, 2004 at 00:08:50 (UTC)
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JOHNNY (I THINK)
Someone was looking for St. Stephens memorabilia, specifically the school blazer badge. My brother Anton, who was a reluctant inmate of said establishment, is going to root around in his attic; if he comes up with the goodies, do you still want them? I am away from 10th to 24th Jan, (Lanzarote, cheap, cheerful, and relatively WARM), so email me directly whoever it was as I won't be checking this board. Ciao, Megx
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland Friday, January 02, 2004 at 22:02:54 (UTC)
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I would like to contact or if anyone knows the whereabouts of Jack Pawson or Kevin Lithgow, I would love to hear from them.
Garth Larkan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Newmarket. Ontario, Canada Friday, January 02, 2004 at 20:02:42 (UTC)
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Condolences to Nico's family and friends
I echo Ali's sentiments. Although I never met him, tales of Nico's generosity did reach across the Pacific Ocean.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Friday, January 02, 2004 at 18:13:00 (UTC)
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Happy New Year to everyone.
Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dorking, United Kingdom Friday, January 02, 2004 at 18:06:16 (UTC)
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Dear Family of Nico
Again, the same trend pops up regarding Nico. I met him in email because of his kind, caring nature and willingness to help others. Please accept our sincere condolences.
Tina Magee and Family
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States Friday, January 02, 2004 at 16:53:25 (UTC)
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It is with sadness that I, too, offer my sincerest condolences to the family and loved ones of Nico Stapleberg. I met him only once in Perth, but his gentleness and compassionate nature were immediately apparent.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States Friday, January 02, 2004 at 14:16:25 (UTC)
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