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Heater!!!!
Kinda slipped by us. HAPPY BIRTHDAY to one of the stars of the GNR. Hope U have a wonderful birthday - sorry we can't be there to share it with U but will raise a glass of wine to U.
Love & best wishes - Gary, Natasha & Scott. XXXXXX
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 23:00:49 (UTC)
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Billy
Sent you an email a few minutes back
Mike
Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 22:42:56 (UTC)
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A very Happy Birthday to you Heather!! You have done so many things for all of us to enjoy the GNR and events planned. Your photos have warmed so many hearts. You are a super star. I hope you win the Picka Lot! Is that what it was called?
Can anyone living in Kitwe tell us if the Zambians still come around to the houses on their bicycles with the bags of fruit and veggies for sale. It seems like we paid the same prices for each bag, no matter the contents. And then there were also the curios and coffee table sellers who wanted to barter for used clothing. I still have little wooden elephants that I bartered for.
I also remember getting outfits made by the Zambian male dressmakers who had their old Singer sewing machines that worked with the pedals. You would take a photo of something you like in a magazine and give them the fabric and they did a pretty good job of copying it for you. Mind you, I never did like Butch in a dress. (grin)
Anybody remember the "hot pants" era? I was talking to Robert Worrill about it in a recent email, and we were remembering the shimmery hot pants the girls used to wear, usually with some exotic cloak thingey over them and boots... never forget the boots. When I look at the young girls in Austin, Texas, now, with their jeans barely covering their nether regions, 6 inches down from their waists and their tops 6 inches up from their waists, I reckon we were not THAT bad in what we wore. No wonder the boys can never concentrate at school here. Our GNR lads would have had a cadenza if they had to cope with this at school. Way too much testosterone in the air in those days!
By the way, any of you young maidens from Kitwe who may have spurned our very own Phillip Pain in your youth, you must have had a hole in your head. He was a cutie pie by the photo he sent me. You should post it Phil. Then again.. I would imagine there are still a few dads lurking out there.. with their shotguns. (grin)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 22:30:34 (UTC)
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Butch,
Do I remember those TV programes? I was never off them and since I was four years older then you I would've been your role model.Ha! Ha! I used to go to the very first programe I think maybe it was Spin a Long, and jived away, mostly with my sister in my younger days, before all those NR chicks led me astray. I was known as Jiving Jim!! I remember Copper Cabana. But what year was Duke Box Dury on? Can anyone remember the others if any?
I don't remember Sharon McKenzie if she was also four years younger our paths would only cross you know what I mean? A year or two made a big difference in those days.
When you were playing for The Pirates I was playing football on the field next to you. Did you play with Chris Charalambidies in the Pirates? he was a good friend of mine. We grew up together and he played for the Pirates.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:22:26 (UTC)
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Colin
Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! for yesterday. Did you sing on your birthday? Colin is a tenor with the Staatsoper in Germany and his equally talented wife currently teaches and conducts choirs.
Heather
An official birthday on the 29th! If you have half the joy you bring to our lives with your pictures and all you do you'll have an amazing birthday!
Health and happiness to you both and to everyone who has already had their 2004 birthdays.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:18:58 (UTC)
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Dear Heather Many Happy Returns Of the Day from your Toy Boy Johnny.xx
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:04:47 (UTC)
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He means Ipi Tombe but (oh thank you David!) can we please keep Impchy Chompy too. It's too glorious. I'm now calling it "Itchy Chompy".
I've still got both The Warrior and Ipi Tombe on l.p. Didn't like the new show recording nearly as well. Has anyone found the original on CD? You can buy CD recorders that will record your records on CD. We have one but most of the stuff we were going to record onto CD is still waiting. Obviously a professional studio recording is preferable where available.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:00:13 (UTC)
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Butch,
Go for it! Yours, Linda's and my recollections all dffer - but it could be funnny to read. JUST - don't forget that you were madly in love with me - OKAY!!!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 20:59:36 (UTC)
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David Hoyle:
Do you mean Ipi Tombe?
Jilly:
Butch has clarified the story to me. (Terrible when you get old and can't remember exact details, isn't it? ) I thought I punched his lights out and sent him through the glass window of Lentin's, but he remembers it slightly different. (grin) Since he was the one who ended up with the black eye on that one, perhaps we should let him tell the story? After all, from his version, you and I sound like we came off better, I think. So much water under the bridge now that I had forgotten how I could eat little boys like him for breakfast if they crossed me. (grin) The passage of time (and this bleddy GNR) allows wounds to heal and friendships to regrow, and that is a good thing. Just yanking your chain, Butch. All in good fun 35 yrs later...
Ah.. the folly of youth. We should all write our life stories, don't you think? It would definitely be a best seller, only nobody outside of Africa would believe us. If they made a movie out of mine, I would have to have Angelina Jolie play my part since she is so whacko! Ha! Ha!
Signing off:
Sumo Dore
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 18:32:06 (UTC)
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Greetings. I am Anita Thomas from Brisbane, Australia, only daughter of Don and Ann Thomas, neice of Gwyneth (current login) formerly of Mufulira. I am current visiting SA during March and April and am trying to get in contact with the Panico family, especially Robbie and Sharon Panico. I am also attempting to contact Bruce and Celeste Wright of Harare. I would greatfully appreciate any leads or contact information which can be forwarded to Gwyneth through this site. Thankyou and kind regards.
Gwyneth Thomas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 17:53:29 (UTC)
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A VERY VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HEATHER FROM ALL OF US!!
Brenda & Bob Armstrong
Thanks for the lovely day, look forward to seeing you again!
and also from
Ken and Mairi Cummins
Mary Jane Todd
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 17:39:16 (UTC)
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Charles Cartmill,
I notice that your request to show the photograph of the fish caught at 12 miles drift was ignored, well... I have to admit after seeing the photograph I'm not surprised that Arthur has gone a bit quiet. Over to you Arthur but I think its only fair that it is shown on the GNR Message Board.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 16:32:22 (UTC)
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Butch,
Firstly say hi to your neighbour Baby Bester for me - I remember his Datsun very well! His Mom and mine were very good friends.
Does anyone know where Theresa McKenzie, ex-wife of Jimmy McKenzie is? I'd love to make contact with her again.
Butch - your story of the engagement ring and the 18 year old sounds fascinating - I was only 16 when I knew you, so why do you have to have my permission? In case I lied about my age - please send draft of engagement story to contact address below and I will let you know if you can do this thing. I have consulted another certain person and they also do not want this published without being edit checked first.
Talking of bands - Graham Boyle is a GNR member so you can contact him if you want. He was a great support to Kevin when he was ill and when he was well. Kevin went on to do some amazing things in the music industry in SA and was still employed in the industry when he passed away in December 2002. A great guy and a very good musician.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 16:26:55 (UTC)
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With all this reference to bands and music can anybody point me in the right direction to find a CD or Cassette of a record that we used to play in the 1970's. I think was by The Warriers and I hate to try to pronounce this but it sounded like Impchy Chompy. I had an LP produced by Teal Records but one night in Kitwe I gave it away to a lady in a moment of madness. I always thought I would be able to buy another copy but 30 years later I am still looking and I would like to hear it again.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 15:52:37 (UTC)
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Michael,
I have sent you a couple of emails did you get them.
Bill Laing Durban
Billy Laing [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stevenage, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 14:06:43 (UTC)
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Hi Nicky
You are right he was a great guy. I remember all those bands and the TV programs my brother in law Doug Smith worked at the studios and we always got free entrance, in fact my chick at that stage who u know were quite famous for appearing every week on Juke box jury do u remember that? I remember playing a game of rugger for Pirates in Chingola and a whole bunch of hecklers shouting go juke box evertime I touched the ball. i am sure I remember u, I used to go to Tech in Ndola, do u remember Sharon McKenzie? She also lives around the corner from me.
Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 08:44:58 (UTC)
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There were 3 types of mango when I lived in Zambia
The third one was the Peach mango It was long in shape while the flesh was very smooth and non-stringy, hence a favourite with the older generation as it did not get caught up in their false teeth.
Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 18:24:56 (UTC)
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Bernard
It's sad about Kevin Mason. He used to play with me in the band The Planets in Kitwe in 1966. He was a great lead guitarist. Actualy all the guys in The Gentle People
played with me in the bands in Kitwe either in The Blue Jays or The Planets we were also on the TV at the Kitwe studios on Spin Along does anyone remember the program?
Cheers.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:03:20 (UTC)
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Marilyn
I don't know how we lasted so long during the marathon. When we first started, the three bands decided we should play for two hours at a time, by the next day it was down to half an hour and by the last couple of hours now one knew what band we were playing with Ha! Ha!
Have a good one.
Nicky.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:53:34 (UTC)
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Just a link to a page that will tell you all about the "Snot Apple Tree " AZANZA GARCKEANA.. as we ...all the kids in Fort Victoria... new it ...
http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5327e/x5327e0l.htm
The best chewing gum you get get...
The other friut that you have been taking about is the "Marula" berry
http://www.wildwatch.com/resources/plants/marula.asp
Roger Pinder [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canberra, Australia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 10:51:28 (UTC)
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the other mangoes were sugar mangoes long funny looking things like my Grandma's left breast
linda you are a spoils sport that engagement story would be great entertainment and I am sure Jill won't mind, after all I was the one who got beaten up by an out raged female.
Ross the fair lady is the car I am refering to.
Marilyn I seem to recall getting beaten up by another crazy women in the smuggies ladies room, could that have been you? Nah I doubt it.
I last saw Chewey on the Dbn beach front some yrs ago I could find out where he is I still see Graham from time to time, I suppose you all know our dear friend Kevin Mason passed away (x Gentle people)
Linda do u want the photo back?
Later
Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 09:51:15 (UTC)
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Colin Hills
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 05:51:59 (UTC)
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RE: "the Things with Chewey in Zambia" via Bernard Anderson.
Does anyone have any news on Chewey? I did not know him other than watching the band, except that one night I spent about three hours talking to him and listening to "Band of Gypsies" Hendrix's album of the time on my 8 track tape player in the car outside a party in Ndola.
Regards Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 04:03:40 (UTC)
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Maureen Steevens,
Please email me. I have an address for you.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 03:43:25 (UTC)
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Butch,
I know your name so well we must have met. On our honeymoon we bumped into Graham Boyle and he told us to go to the Smugglers Arms as the Gentle People were playing there. We got some friends and headed out here. Mmm. It was different but we had a great night until I went to the loo. Some idiot followed me in and locked me in. He was so drunk, falling all over. I kicked him so hard, said a few choice word I learned at Kitwe Convent and went back out. Some how some of the guys got to hear and that was the end of the night. A free for all followed, looking for the idiot who roughed me up. Of course we went back because the music was so good.
Does anyone remember Ann Bradford? She and Clive were in that dance marathon and did really well.
Nicky, I don't know how you guys all lasted so long. Those were the day hey?
Nothing against chewing gum - I used to find it under my desk all the time! I just hate it on my shoes.
Have a good weekend everyone. It's a long one here in Perth. Labour day and we get the day off. Some times I love the unions!
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 01:57:46 (UTC)
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Poor Johnny, you are going to hate my scribbled character self-portrait when it gets posted...
James your reminiscences would be fun on the Lusaka Convent site. I'll email you. Going by the dates you give you were at Lusaka Convent quite a few years ahead of me.
Yep Catholicism, especially in those days, was a particularly stark introduction to religion for a young kid. However on the whole those Dominican nuns at L.C. were a particularly human lot and compared very, very favourably with all other Catholic schools my Mum put me through before and after. Many of the Lusaka teachers I still regard as extended family.
A little digression for interest follows. By comparison the English A' Level boarding school I attended was a neo-gothic monstrosity at all levels. The Headmistress looked and behaved like a Grand Inquisitor. She was afflicted with a limp. We called her "Hopalong Chastity". She told my mother when I left that she would expect me capable of any vice - which I found a lot funnier than my mother did. Anne Robinson, host of the T.V. programme: "The Weakest Link" suffered her too and recalls that she was similarly verbally written off before leaving. I'm sure that's where we both get our warped side.
But then all schools of that era varied from sublime to ridiculous didn't they?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 23:59:19 (UTC)
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Why is everyone out there so paranoid about chewing gum? that's what held our desks together at Frederick knapp and kitwe Boys High. Ha! Ha!
I wonder how many of us now chew the denture friendly kind?
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 22:14:44 (UTC)
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Kathy
I buy kidney mangoes from my local Asda shop, when in season, not as good as the mangoes in kitwe but nothing is as good as it used to be, or is it just me?
I also just found Gem Squash also in Asda from RSA.
I lived up mangoe trees but only remember two kinds ordinary and Kidneys.
I see Trish is posting now, briliant.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 22:07:10 (UTC)
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Hi Trish
where have you been all my life?
That was some marathon hey? you say you slept a long time after that, well you should've seen my fingers after two days playing, they still haven't recovered. ( playing the guitar for those dirty minds out there) Ha! Ha!
Why don't you get Hazel to post on the board.
Watch what you say about Arthur Denovan Marilyn is his second cousin, did you know that?
Looking forward to see you in April bring me a pepermint crisp mmmmm
Cheers Nicky.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:53:53 (UTC)
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James what a lucky little boy you were, it must have been a heaven sent experience just about on par with my present dream of becoming involved with a deaf and dumb nyphomaniac who owns a public house, and the Icing on the cake would have been grabbing hold of that lovely girl Tina behind the bicycle shed, you had all the luck Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 19:08:54 (UTC)
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Hi everyone, one of the two Charlies 'angels' here.
Just thought I'd share a bit of totally useless bit of information with you all.
On my trip to Cape Town last weekend - 'great seeing you and Tess, Charlie' - decided on my last night in "town" to stay at an hotel in Bloubergstrand - regardless of the price. Well, we won't even mention the price!!!, but, suffice it to say, it was worth every cent to a Jo'burgite who really misses the sea, after living in Cape Town for some 17 years after leaving Zambia.
I was lucky enough to get the last room in the hotel which was one of the de luxe suites right on the beach - with the sea literally spraying me whilst lying in bed.
That out of the way - I'd like to congratulate my sister - Jennifer Strydom (nee Robertson) on the birth of her new grand daughter Shakeerah - see you next week when you get out here. To Wayne and Shaheedah - congratulations.
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 18:07:13 (UTC)
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Tina M. mentioned the girls' convent in Lusaka and it brought back memories:
I may be one of the few boys on this site who attended the girls' convent in Lusaka. What I was doing there, I don't know - I was 9, and maybe Lusaka Boys' School didn't take one at that age. That was around 1947-8.
We lived in Woodlands, and a bus picked me up - I recall the driver pulling a chain and a big metal arrow would pop up outside the bus indicating which was it was turning.
The laugh is that I wasn't even a Catholic and I was told by some of the nuns that I would roast in hell - I had no idea how to use the holy water in wee jars outside the classrooms etc. My Dad (Dan Sleigh, architect with the PWD) told me to do my best and get on with it. The Mother Superior was a thin lady some six feet tall and she wore pince nez - miserable thing.
I remember the time there was a terrible stushie - a handful of girls had run off. They were eventually found heading up the railway line to Broken Hill or somewhere.
It was an interesting experience, but may, in part, account for my lack of faith in any religion now! Half the nuns, however, were gentle souls and good teachers, but the other half seemed to fear and detest the handful of boys who went to the convent.
James Findlay Sleigh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 17:09:33 (UTC)
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Linda,
We have Broadband here. 24-7 access 10x faster than normal internet for one flat fee. I have it. Mum says she has to watch the pennies though. They do rip you off here on phone charges so Broadband aint cheap.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 15:45:43 (UTC)
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Dennie:
Glad to see you are posting. Your two hooligans are keeping us entertained with all their exploits. Please ask Bob to confess his story about when we were at Kariba. Nasty little boy that he was. (grin) I don't know how it works on your side of the pond, but I pay a flat amount that allows me to use my computer and the phone at the same time, by cable access Good deal, seeing as I have two teenage boys who grow phones from their mouths every waking minute. The time is unlimited so I don't have to worry about minutes.
Mr. Anderson:
This is your official public warning that I am reputed to have one of the longest and most vivid memories on the GNR. (grin) Any and all disclosures involving me can and will be used in a counter-story involving you. I am amused to see you have kept at least one photo of me. Is that to keep the fear alive? ha! ha! You may want to think twice about the engagement ring story, just to protect the innocent.
Marilyn:
Half the stories you hear about me are conjured up in someone's imagination.... I actually was very quiet and shy. No, really. There must be SOMEONE
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 13:36:01 (UTC)
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Ma,
You`ve got your Caps lock stuck on again. Nice to see you on at last.
Any bowlers out there recognise Mother`s name? She and Dad were Champion bowlers in Af and played all over Northern and Southern Rhodesia.
Bob, great phone call last night. It was good to talk. BT thinks so too. (British Telecom) He He.
Butch,
So, you remember my Datsun fairlady sports. Magic motor. Remember the Cadillac I bought? Could get my whole drum kit in the boot and the whole band inside the limo. Now I know why I was so poor. You had the money. Never mind, you earned it having to listen to the row I made on the drums.
I wonder how many of these "choir girls" I knew. Ma said every time I came home from a session I had a new bird on my arm. Dont believe a bit of it.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 13:24:03 (UTC)
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hOW DO YOU LOT GET THE TIME TO POST SO MANY MESSAGES, WILL SEND ONE AT THE END OF THE MONTH WHEN i SEE HOW MANY MINUTES i HAVE LEFT, UNLIKE YOU RICH LOT WHO CAN STAY ON ALL DAY
Ross's Mum
Dennie Gillies (née Dowdeswell) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Broughton Astley, Leics, England
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 12:17:56 (UTC)
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Hi Neil
Is THAT really what they were called???
Snottus Applarus sounds better! Don't think I would've eaten them if I had known that name .... but there again, it was Northern Rhodesia and anything goes.....
Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:12:43 (UTC)
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Hi Marilyn
I still have a few photos of Linda (old b&w polaroids) in a group photo of the choir girls, I am sure our paths must have crossed at some stage? I like u did the whole school thing at all the ones u mention, then the Bulawayo and SA thing mainly known for stock car and Hot Rod racing. you obviously were not a choir girl but maybe it was the poetry reciting? Your mom probably knew me, I bought enough engangement rings (joke)
I spent a lot of time with the Gentle people at "Smuggies" SA and the Things with Chewey in Zambia, I was Ross Gillies drummer assistant for a few yrs (I carried the money that he made)
Ross
I swopped you the Volvo for the Datsun sports car (ex Baby Besters who is my neighbour now) but swopped it back when I discovered that all the choir girls couldn't fit in. (another joke) it got written off and turned into a chapel in Garneton
In the next chapter I'll tell the story of the 18 yr old and the engagement ring if Jill will let me.
Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:12:05 (UTC)
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Linda
Please send me a photo of yourself at school so that I have a mental picture of everything you got up to in Kitwe! You must have been dodging Philip Pain I think!
Colin Hamtilon
I am wearing a new pair of sandals (bought yesterday) and when I went to change gears this morning I had to really pull my left foot off the pedal as it appeared to be stuck. It was - with green chewing gum. Aaaagh. Have you visited Singapore? You'll never come across chewing gum there. It's outlawed. Along with graffiti, and a few other 'western' traits. We Kitwe-ites just woulnd't have survived there. No kissing and cuddling in the streets so there go the Choir Girls!
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 08:32:31 (UTC)
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Kathy,
Do you mean snot apples?... sorry I don't know the latin name.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 08:00:55 (UTC)
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Patrick Thomson, Peter Sutcliffe, George English
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 05:32:30 (UTC)
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Colin,
RE the Mahobahoba. Your ex Gwelo buddy probably found the fruit in the Selukwe area where it seemed that virtually all of the bush comprised Mahobahoba. I have to believe that they were also found up North, but in all honesty, I never saw one. Are you talking about Woodlands in Lusaka? Quite likely my eyesight may have been negatively impacted by too much libation and Steak Diane at the Woodpecker!
Who is your mukker from Gwelo, and what era was he there? (It was my stomping ground in the late fifties/early sixties)
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 05:06:58 (UTC)
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Dammit! Forgot to mention Wrigleys. I hate chewing chicle! In fact I imagine it won't be too long before the chewing of gum puts you at risk of being on the receiving end of a knuckle sandwich. To use a current cliche "Chewing gum is the new smoking".
I was under the impression the little grey-white spatters on roads and pavements were from birds that couldn't quite make it to the PK! Not so. Were he alive today Dick Whittington would have found the streets of london paved with Wrigley's. It's a genuine problem, costing millions every year to remove. Apparently there are moves afoot to discourage it.
Personally I think anybody found spitting it on to the pavement should be forced to pick it up again and drop it in a litter bin - using only their teeth!
Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 03:32:32 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm: Never saw them in NR? Could have sworn we used to trek through the bush across from us in Woodlands and eat those darned things there! Maybe just had them down in "Zimbabwe".
But talk of the long arm of coincidence! A friend of mine who hailed from the throbbing metropolis of Gwelo is back here in London after a langthy spell abroad. Last night he was bringing me up to date with his experiences in a phone call that must have put BT well into profit for the year.
Just as he wa about to hang up (and I was about to slide off the settee) said "Oh - before you go. Have you ever heard of something called a mahoba-hoba."
His reply came in a tone that suggested I fire on only one cylinder.
"Of course, man. We used to eat them when we were kids."
Our memories differ only slightly. He is convinced there were three or maybe even four pips inside.
Just reassuring to know I'm not imagining things!
Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 03:22:17 (UTC)
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Butch:
I have a mental picture of all the "choir girls" of your past, in a tight circle, back to back, with their 10ft sharpened barge poles facing outwards. Ha! Ha!
The way it works here is to throw the names out that you are looking for. How can we possibly guess since there were legions of them.
If you want to know who slit the seats in your Volvo, it was Jill. No really... or maybe it was Denise, or Gillian or Veronica or Margaret?
Do you remember those oh so cool looking matching red and blue corduroy jeans you and I had custom made? We were so young and full of it.
I remember a funny story about when you were at Northern Technical in Ndola. I wrote you a letter and put on the envelope "Postman, Postman, don't be slow. Be like Butch and go man go!" It was returned to me a few days later with the inscription, "It's not going anywhere until you put a bloody stamp on it" Ha! Ha!
Okay, I promise to behave myself and not rib on you anymore.
Your turn, Ross.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 23:54:37 (UTC)
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Chris,
There were mohobohobos (Uapaca kirkiana) in Zambia, a wine was also made from the fruit. They are found throughout the region in what is known as "Miombo Woodland" and the fruits are a very important source of vitamins for the local population. Do a Google search on the Latinised name for more information.
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 21:03:13 (UTC)
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What about the stuff that grew on trees and looked like a brazil nut (one side of, only...) and you chewed the 'bark' stuff off and got a sort of chewing gum!! Anyone else do that or were you all 'wrigleys' people?? (Did we have wrigleys? - the little grey cells are playing up again..).
Why don't we get 'kidney' mangoes over here in UK? Are they available elsewhere? We used to have 3 trees in our garden in Philip Street and each one produced a different mango - 'normal', kidney' and I can't remember the 3rd....Help, please.....
Great to hear all your stories - but where was I when all this was going on??? Must've been in Butch's chess class and poets society..... Thought some of my stories were pretty good until I found this site.... Where are all my peers?? SOMEbody must remember me...........(please)...............
Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 20:28:09 (UTC)
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Trivia Question for non-Australian MALE GNR members.
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Question: How do they have "safe-sex" in Australia?
Answer: They mark the ones that kick with an "X"
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 19:23:12 (UTC)
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Tina,
Ho Ho Ho, Oh yes, very good,.
Thanks anyway. Everyone should put their picture on, then we could see what characters emerge. I for one would like to see if my mental image of people fits the way they post.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 19:03:27 (UTC)
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Colin Hamilton writes:
It was about the size of a guava with a creamy content and two large pips. (Why should that sound familiar?)
We called them "mahobahobas". But not a living soul I've met since then has heard of them. Any idea what they might have been? i
The Mahobahoba trees were profuse all over the Selukwe area. The fruit was delicious, but tended to be a little "flowery" when over ripe.
I never saw the trees in N.R. ?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 18:25:57 (UTC)
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Just catching up with the lively chat and reminiscences on the board. Ross, lovely picture of Angie and of you. You are very handsome but you should put your ears forward.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 18:21:45 (UTC)
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Hey Nicky,
I remember that marathon - 1965 I think it was. How could I forget. I entered! Arthur Denovan was my partner. His wife was very pregnant and she couldn't enter, so he put my name forward. I seem to remember lasting some 14 odd hours and sleeping after that for about 24 hours. Folks weren't too happy. I had a midnight curfew and I think I rocked in about 8 am the next morning. Ah, those wild halcyon days! See you in April when I visit the UK.
Trish
Patricia Seville (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, KZN, South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 15:02:45 (UTC)
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Hi Bernard?
I never knew anyone called Bernard - and I was a choir girl! Obviously NOT on your A List, yet you remember me. Welcome to the message board Butch.
There's plenty lurking out there who will know you, but not under that moniker.
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 14:08:43 (UTC)
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Linda,
Look what prose, teamwork and a liberal dose of baseline begging will do.
WELCOME BUTCH!!! Honest, it`s so good to hear from you.
Yes, we were the gangsters. You were always the guy who said "dont do that, that`s just plain wrong I will not participate". OUCH!!!! I just bit my tongue, probably because it was firmly lodged in my cheek.
As we asked before, do you know what happened to the marvellous Volvo and indeed the Honda s800 I`m sure was your`s?
Ross (a man!)
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 13:25:15 (UTC)
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Hi I got challenged to post a message by one certain Linda whom I am sure I used to know way back, and I see reading the message board there are a couple of Gillies brothers I recall as well, (real gangsters if I remember) and apart from the name Jill Aplin there seems to be no one I recollect, I grew up in a very quiet era in Kitwe where we spent our free time, when we weren't studying reciting poetry and playing chess.
I wonder what happened to all the people from that era especially the choir girls I knew? If any one has any info please post.
Cheers
Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 11:45:48 (UTC)
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Colin,
No probs. Yes, the name appears to be unique. Given by my father who said the origin is Scots Gaelic. I`m half Scots you see. I was only called by my full name when I was in the caca! Ross is fine.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 09:40:50 (UTC)
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Tony Wood
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 06:20:21 (UTC)
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Colin:
Are you thinking of "snakes apples" as the fruit?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 05:11:50 (UTC)
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Problems wherever you are! In the States it looks like the Constitution's up for grabs! From today's utterances (or "utterisations" as he, himself would probably refer to them) it appears the motto of the bouncing tick from Texas is "Make War - not love"!
Meanwhile that fountainhead of wit and wisdom, Arnie Schwarzenegger wants amendments enabling him to run for the Presidency. Presumably somebody will volunteer to guide his pen so he can sign those documents of state!
Rossley - my apologies for putting you through the discomfort of that brief sex-change. (Although they do say you should try anything once!)
I could laugh it off as a typo, claiming I intended to refer to the "laddy from Leicester" but I don't think it would be convincing. To be honest I was too idle to go back down the page, and just remembered the name vaguely... Sorry but I've never come across your name before! How nice to be unique.
Reverting to the subject of food as kids we'd go into the bundu and eat prickly pears and something else. - It was about the size of a guava with a creamy content and two large pips. (Why should that sound familiar?)
We called them "mahobahobas". But not a living soul I've met since then has heard of them. Any idea what they might have been? i
Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 02:22:01 (UTC)
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Ali
Good to see you finally got around to posting, hope this isn't the first and last time! Good way to meet some Perth GNR's is to be at the Perth Purler Party.
Marilyn Noall
Tried to send you an email to let you know that I would be at the Purler Party but it bounced back. Looking forward to meeting you and other GNR's.
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 00:52:42 (UTC)
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Brian,
Holdsworths are forgiven for doing the photo the wrong way round. The original is right as I`ve just checked it out. I must have scanned it in wrongly.
Duhhh!!!
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 18:52:57 (UTC)
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Seeing Ross with the horse reminds me of when I was in a pub in the USA. A guy came into town on a horse looking very hot and dusty. He tied the horse to the rail ,went to it's rear lifted it's tail and gave it a long smootch right there. I asked him if what I saw was real. He said he has been in the desert for months and got terrible cracked lips. I asked him if kissing the horses a*** was a cure. He said no, but it stops you licking your lips.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 16:03:17 (UTC)
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Got a phone call this morning which proved yet again that I`ve got a head full of sudsa. I reckon boarding school in Rustenberg SA is responsible. I digress.
I`ve had the photo`s of the Marrionettes I posted for 40 years. In all that time I never noticed that the word THE on my drums in Marrionettes1.jpg is backwards. Holdsworth`s chemists processed the neg the wrong way round. Arrrgh!!!
Said phone call came from the Daddy of Rhodesian music and the acknowleged Guru of all things lyrical Brian Geyser (that OK Brian) who in a voice of outraged dismay informed me that Geoff and Bud who were trained to play by him were never left handed. Oops!
Brian has kindly sorted the image out and emailed it to me so I will submit it to Arthur to re-post if that is possible.
Thanks To Arthur for posting the images so promptly.
I`ll see if Mum has any more piccies anywhere.
Do you have any Bob?
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 15:21:19 (UTC)
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Linda,
Flog a dead horse? My wife walked me that far round Chatsworth that day I was waiting for the thing to come to life so I could get a lift back to the car park. I was knackered!
Yes Butch, my old mate. Long lost friends eagerly await your overdue appearance to this select and most lagubrious??? forum. So post pleeeeeaaaase!!!
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 15:01:37 (UTC)
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Bob:
I don't know if that is the same Chris you referred to in your posting below? Look up his profile in the new entries of the Names Directory link under Chris Conrad. I did not know him personally, but his name rang a bell and the list of people he was looking for are all people I know, or have email addresses for, so I was trying to help him find them. I think he was part of the motorcyle racing crowd, but I'm not sure.
Rose Magor and I are old friends from Kitwe days. I lived with her before I immigrated over to Texas.
Ross:
Great photos! When I saw the one of you and your iron friend, the thought, "Talk about flogging a dead horse!" sprang to mind. Just kidding! Luv ya!
Butch:
Do you need some instructions on how to post? (grin)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 13:33:45 (UTC)
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Martin Thompson, Alan Lonsdale
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 12:08:47 (UTC)
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Forgive us if we mis-read or mis-understood any of the dialogue regarding the Rhokana Library, but we hadn't been able to access the GNR for some weeks.
We wanted to say that we joined the Rhokana Library in January 1951. ( we married in Kitwe in December 1950)
Alma was taken to the Library and introduced to the ladies who staffed the library. Nora Watson ( wife of Dick Watson, Refinery Tankhouse) was an avid reader of good books and she introduced me to some very good reading. The library was well stocked and very pleasant place to visit. We were both shocked to see the 'photos of the present state of this once fine and well-run library. Obviously pure vandalism and a very sad state of affairs indeed.
Most of us would rather keep our very pleasant memories of a once thriving, friendly Copperbelt town. Alma admits to crying as we read the account by David Gray, of his recent observations. Such a waste.
Our thanks to David Gray for his wonderful 'photos and observations, we greatly appreciate his efforts. Also an appreciative thank you to Arthur for taking a 'photo of our old home at 64 Kantanta Street - even if it did look run-down and shabby.
We would rather keep our memories.
Vic and Alma Dawson
Victor Dawson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blockhouse Bay Auckland, New Zealand
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 06:30:37 (UTC)
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FURTHER TO STEAM LOCOS OF RR (POSTED FRI 20TH FEBRUARY)
Just a reminder to see the archives of 16 July 2003 where Arthur posted some colour photos for me of 12 class loco no 204 taken at Vic Falls station, together with the special coaches for the tourist shuttle between Livingstone and Victoria Falls station. Red carpet and all! These photos were taken in April 2000.
The book I referred to earlier by E. Hamer contains photos of Garretts (and other classes of RR) if anyone is interested in having a look.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 05:40:11 (UTC)
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Alistair:
Can you send me a ticket, chum? That way I can kill two birds with one stone and visit Sandra and the rest of the family too. After all, your mom claims me on her income tax still.
Hope springs eternal.....
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 02:04:00 (UTC)
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Any GNR members going to the F1 GRAND PRIX In Melbourne next month, will be good to catch up.
Alastair Max Marsh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 01:17:27 (UTC)
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Contributors
Thank you for submitting your photos to the GNR
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 22:18:26 (UTC)
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Hello,
I found this old photo while cleaning a cupboard and remembered seeing a burnt out wreck from Lusaka last Aug on the GNR.Taken in Dr. Damie st. in ´66 this was a P.V. 544 with a B18 engine and twin carbs. A classmate, Colin Gray and I once reached 100mph with this car on the Mufulira road. My parents still don´t know.
Here is the same model this year. These old cars are still quite common around here although beeing around 40 years old.
Very cold Castle.
An interesting signpost.
I hope these photos are appropriate for the board.
Regards
Hans Mattsson
Uppsala
For the more widespread of you GNRers, including those from Leicester, who haven’t heard of the High Peak,
this is a typical shack that the local hillbillies live in…….
John Evans
(Not me… I live in Chester!)
Here`s firstly a photo of Dad, Mum, myself on car bonnet, Bob kneeling holding Butch, (no Linda not That Butch) taken as I remember in Parklands Lusaka around 1963.
The next two photo`s are of the Marrionettes with me on drums. Lets see if anybody can identify the players?
Mum as she is now. She luvvves trees!
Angie the wife in our back garden! I swear, honest, really. OK I lie!
Me as I am now, worse luck. Wish I was skinny again.
Rosley Gillies
Hi Artie:
Jilly Aplin has asked me to send this photo to you. It is coming from me as she was not able to cull it from several that were in a batch together, so I did it for her. I am not sure what she wanted posted with it, but this is what she sent to me:
"Tiger was caught in the Chobe River – weighed 6.5 kilos. I think that’s about 16 and a half pounds."
As with all other fisherpeople I know, she has exaggerated the converted size. 6.5 kilos is actually 14.33 pounds. (grin)
I hope it comes out okay as I had to lighten up the background considerably to make the photo clearer. It must have been taken indoors, but unlike your outdoor one held right up against the camera lens to give it the allusion of being a large fish, hers as you can see is kept close to the body. Infact, I think she finally stumbled over backwards under the weight.. (grin)
Take care and I hope you are able to post this some time soon.
Bye for now
Linda Hayes
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 22:08:33 (UTC)
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Heather, Glad you saw Colin. Say Hi from me. Ross knew big Des, his brother from the Rennie, a really nice guy.I last saw Colin about 8 years ago but I was a lot older then (irish) thus the impression he got. He was with Joe Chowles at the time. If he brings in more grinders he will see I am much younger now!
Linda , We knew a Chris Van Tonder in Lusaka about 67, he was friend of Ross's. We knew him as Koos, same guy? He appeared in Kitwe a year or two later and we remembered him from Lusaka time.Where is George Wenman now? I see Les Magor from time to time and have spoken to Rose and Mike a while ago, they all live near each other in Edenvale.
Charles, I also stopped using Castle as my belly began to flop too, so I also changed to beer from natural ingredients, Windhoek or Heineken seems to go down best, unfortunately I am stuck with my Castle legacy.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 15:28:20 (UTC)
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Marilyn Noall
Unfortunately Sue and I will be in Sydney the weekend of the Perth GNR get together at Scarborough, so can't attend. Hope it goes OK.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 08:52:41 (UTC)
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Belated birthday greetings to Scarscalp and Margie Dingwall and for today, Joe Behrens, Jared Honore
Best wishes on your birthday
BOB GILLIES
Carlo is no longer here (don't even know if he is still alive) but his son, Marco runs the business.
I was chatting to Collie Hindson the other day and he was telling me about 'this old guy' that he met in Springs who used to take all his old angle grinders etc for repairs. He sends his best wishes.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 07:45:09 (UTC)
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Sue, Paudie, Hazel,
Are you coming to the GNR get-together in March? I'm looking forward to catching up with you all.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 05:23:25 (UTC)
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PHILIP PAIN:
Regarding townwater on the Copperbelt, I remember that our Nchanga/Chingola supply was definitely mine water, possibly treated;
however, the bathwater had a distinct blue-green colour, as was the soapy scum around the bath after completion of ablutions - we should have had it assayed for copper content. Could have been worth something at the leach plant.
Cheers
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 01:32:49 (UTC)
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if anyone remembers margeret brookbanks from n'dola please let me know how i can comtact her.thanks
Allan Glazer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brooklyn, New York, United States
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 19:20:26 (UTC)
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Thanks, Johnny. Your screen wiper almost gave me a slipped disk - and whiplash. Did you give Arthur directions to Boon's Bar? Poor guy - he must've been close to Bwacha. Well - I must sign off now, and go slice myself some biltong.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 15:00:45 (UTC)
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Dear Charles good to here you are over your bad spell and giving Arthur hell again pleased to hear that your minature bash went well, wish I could have been there and it must have been nice to have my girlfriend there she is a real honey is Heather, it is quite an impressive list of ex habitants of that dorp they call Broken Hill but surely you noticed as soon as they had a few bob they were off like monkeys with mustard around there bums? well old friend Shallaneepo your Buddy Johnny.
I am sending you a screen wiper for you PC screen you should recieve it in around 10 mins.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 14:44:35 (UTC)
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For all those in north west England lusting after biltong and vors, the butcher in Northgate Street, Chester has a regular supply - Chris Austin.
Is there a link or section of the GNR site where the suppliers of things like memorabilia/ foodstuffs, etc are listed?
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 14:38:31 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks for posting the photos. "Kriges" is a nice venue. I met a couple more NRs, yesterday, who live in the Durbanville area. This place is packed with ex-NRs.
Bob Gillies,
I regularly made “Beer Bread” but stopped using Castle when my breads began to flop, and I had to add Anchor yeast to the mix. I started using beers made by a more natural process – such as Mitchells Knysna beers – with good results. I used to make ‘savoury beers’ by “gooi’ng” in a packet of Brown Onion Soup. My new home has both an indoor and outdoor braai, plus I still have a stainless 40 gal half-drum (my daughters fondly refer to it as “Dad’s feeding trough”) – so there’s no excuse for not cleaning up the old Falkirks. There again, judging by a recipe I read on the board, maybe I should buy a chef’s cap and apron, light a fire, invite David Gray around, provide him with all the ingredients – and sit back in anticipation. I know my strengths – I’m a biltong maker. As my “swaar’ – Bundu – once said (while well out of earshot of our respective wifes): “If cooking wasn’t so easy – more men'd do it”!
Arthur Steevens,
Now that I’ve recovered – I have a few bones to pick with you.
First - what’s this association you have with a “Black Hole’ and the birthplace of many famous people – such as Wilbur Smith, Peter Dielissen, Homo Rhodesiensis, Killroy, etc etc…. Did you find the right town? Appears to me you couldn’t even find the world renowned Boons Bar!
Secondly - taking advantage of my hospitalisation to charm your way into the company of “Charlie’s Angels” in Livingstone. Yes – Beth told me, yesterday morning, what a charming man you are; and all my analogies of ‘Wily Coyotes’ and Australian jokes about Bruce’s seduction techniques on Shelagh, et al, wouldn’t deviate her from her first impression.
Did you receive the snap I sent you of some fishermen landing a tiddler they took on ‘dip-sticks’ at the 12 mile drift? And that was just the live-bait to be used in the Mulungushi River – at the 15 mile drift.
Jokes aside. You’ve been so very quite, I’m concerned. Either that, or you’ve just got your new fishing permit.
Johnny Green,
Big white hunter, striding through the dense, wild jungle, comes across a tiny Pygmy - busy dressing out a massive, freshly killed elephant.
“How did a little guy like you kill such a great big beast?” he asked the Pygmy.
“With my club” replied the Pygmy.
“Must be a very big club! How big is it?” he asked.
“Oh! About 60 members” was the Pygmy’s reply.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 14:09:09 (UTC)
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Good morning campers, just a little titbit gleaned from an overheard conversation in the pub.Johnny.
George, I believe the goverment is scrapping A level exams and a whole lot more unecessary tests, Harry replied yes I saw somewhere this morning that it will be reduced to manageable 2 hour brief exam,
What is your name?
How old are you?
Time allowed 2 hours.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 10:32:56 (UTC)
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Hi Bob,
when I lived in Nkana all the houses had two water connections. One which was the garden water came directly from the mines underground water and tasted salty. (My dad told me it was salty because the underground workers used to "P" in it, didn't stop us from drinking it.) The second connection for domestic use came from the pump station at the end of Central street and which was treated water.
As far as I can remember we never paid for water and there was no restriction with the garden water.
When we lived in 8-4th Avenue my Mom used to grow flowers which she used to sell. Many people visiting patients at the mine hospital would stop at our house on their way there and buy.
I remember the sprinkler going all day and we may have had a few more garden taps than anyone else.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 04:42:20 (UTC)
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The Ultimate Fund Raiser:
I've told this story before, but it has been a while so I'm going to tell it again.
When I was playing for the Angels softball team up at Kitwe Playing Fields in the mid 70's, we had a fund raising evening. It was a combination casino night, rock 'n roll dance contest, and a luau. The idea for the luau came from one of our favourite men on the Pumas softball team, a person we named "Copper Crafts" on account of his teeth, which were just about all crowned in gold. His name was Ernie and he was a really great guy. Ernie was from the Phillipines and very familiar with a luau. (In case anyone is not familiar with that, it is where you wrap the meat up in leaves, bury it and let it smolder and cook while in the coals.) Ernie was in charge of the meat and a bunch of us were on kitchen duty, making the salads etc. It was a set menu. Roast pork, salad and bread. Easy enough.
Ernie wrapped the pig in banana leaves if I recall, and "the big roast" began. A very involved process which took pretty much the whole day.. and into the night... past the time we were going to serve. All the frivolity, dancing, gambling, drinking, etc., were in full swing when Ernie finally announced that the pig was ready. It was around 10:00pm. Only trouble was, we had no way to get it from the pit, which had been dug at the back of the building, to the kitchen which was at the front of the building! Bugger!!! No other way to take care of the problem but to bring it, still hog tied to the pole, straight across the dance floor. What a mess!
We got it into the kitchen and it was burning hot. A huge bugger it was. Nowhere to put it. (You can tell I was not the one who planned this fiasco... he! he!) It was therefore unceremoniously dumped onto the floor, on top of towels if I remember correctly. We began hacking away furiously at the meat, burning our hands and lobbing chunks of it onto the plates with the salad and rolls. The crowd was beginning to get restless and hungry. Fortunately they could not see what we were doing...
As luck would have it, we quickly began to run out of food, salads more than meat. One very resourceful member of the group, who shall remain nameless, came up with the idea of "recycling" the salad. Someone was dispatched to go and collect plates from people who were finished and we also had a large number of plates that had been brought back to the kitchen as there were no rubbish bins anywhere in the dance area. Yes, folks, if you were there that night, YOU may have been one of the lucky ones who ate salad that had been scraped off one plate onto another. Gawd help us, I'm thinking as we are in the throes of scraping and recycling.
There was a lot of laughter and messing around while we were doing this dirty deed, when out of the blue this very polite Zambian came to the hutch and said, "I'm not a piggy eater, so I'm like to have a steak, please?" For a few seconds after that there was a pregnant silence as we looked up from the floor, grease and salad up to our elbows, at this poor bewildered person who was about to sing "hueeeey"at the sight before him. And then we began to roar with laughter at the absurdity of the whole situation. Needless to say the luckless man slunk away before we forced any piggy and recycled salad down his gullet.
The night was a roaring success financially, and nobody from the health department had purchased a meal ticket so we made out like bandits for our fund raiser.
However, all was not well with yours truly the next day. It fell to me to count the money, which I willingly did. Count, count, lick the thumb, count count, lick the finger, lick, lick. I came down with a terrible bout of dysentery which lasted over a week from all the filthy Kwacha notes that I counted. Still, I did lose 5 Kgs in weight (and the K500 I skimmed off the top made up for the writhing agony. ha! ha! ...oops)
Yep, those were the days my friends. How we survived, I'll never know. What with drinking beer with all the stuff in the bottles, running around barefoot over half of Africa, eating fruit off the trees without washing it first, swimming in the rivers, riding our motorcycles without helmets, balancing on car bonnets at 40 mph, eating meat hung on a rope in the sun to dry, letting off fireworks in a garage, scaling mine swimming pool walls in the dark to swim in frigid water with no cossies on, sleeping out in the bush with just a tarp over our head and a fire to ward off animals from biting our faces off in our sleep, fast cars, jumping off the cliffs at The Rapids, sunbathing at Rhodwins beach with crocs licking their chops on the other side of the water.
I dunno... it just doesn't get any better than that!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 22:12:05 (UTC)
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Colin,
Welcome and thanks for the info on Biltong and wors in London. Actually coming down there in March so I will search out the shop concerned for a stukkie or two.
By the way, if I`m the "lady from Leicester" you refer to in your post I`m off to the plastics man as last time I looked I had all the trappings to gain entry to the mens loo at all times. He He.
Thanks again.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 18:59:10 (UTC)
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There are some things about Africa for which most of us spend a considerable amount of time lusting! For me. the two S's spring to mind - sunshine and space. The nearest I have found - with the added bonuses of eye-searing greenery and superbly blue ocean - is Costa Rica - Manuel Antonio in particular.
Others yearn for the sight - and taste - of boerewors and biltong according to this board. If that applies to you, as well as the lady from Leicester, and you are ever visiting London you may like to know you can buy both here! And I'm sure that once you've established contact and exchanged addresses they'd be happy to post you supplies of both. (Just take care the pooch doesn't rech the letterbox before you do !)
I first discovered the place when visiting a friend who joined the long list of celebrities who went to be "dried out" at the famous Priory Nursing Home in Barnes. Nearby yu'll find a South-African-owned mini supermarket whose roadside notice board notice board proclaims that it stocks "Boerewords and Biltong." (Which must leave some passing Brits a little puzzled)
At the junction of the Upper Richmond Road and Priory Lane (just by the Harlequins (?)football ground) turn into Priory Lane. A couple of hundred yards up on the right hand side you'll see the sign! There's a little row of shops there lying at a right angle which can be easily missed if you're not "in the know".
Happy chewing and braaivleis!
Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 17:14:38 (UTC)
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Lynthia help!
Can you remember the guy that worked at Parklands Service Station with me and Graham he had a scarr on his cheek and also came from Garneton I think.Was he your cousin? I wish I could remember his name. It's terrible forgetting friends names. I suppose old age doesn't come it self.
Cheers Nicky.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 15:06:19 (UTC)
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Trip down memory lane
Day outing to Mindola Dam (during school holidays)
Year-!958-1961(12-15years old)
At approximately 6am we would pack our fishing gear take a frying pan, oil and some potatoes, strap our fishing rods on to the cross-bar of our bicycles and me and a couple of friends would cycle to Mindola Dam from Kitwe.
Before arriving at the Dam we would stop on the way, and buy tins of worms from the pikininies at the side of the road for one shilling a tin. (cheaper then one penny per worm from the Angling club).
On arrival at the dam wall we would fish till mid day, catching about half a dozen Bream.( nothing like the sun shining down, and seeing the sparkling green Bream at the end of your rod coming to the surface.) We would then, drink two pints of water each, start a fire and have lunch. (Recipe below)
Then we would carry out an after lunch tradition. All would stand round the fire and pee on the fire to put it out, hence the consumption of the water. ( A couple of my friends became Firemen, it looked good on their C.V. as experience.)
We would then go swimming, look for an old abandoned boat or canoe, turn it upside down and get underneath it. There was enough room inside it to breath as we swam towards the angling club. (we were not privileged to be members.) Once at the club we would mess about for a couple of hours, and try to buy a couple of cokes ( coke tasted better in those days hey?) Then we would swim back to the wall. Pack our things and if our bikes were still there ( if our African friends didn’t borrow them) we would cycle home before darkness approached. Oh the memories!!
Lunch Recipe:
Gut fish
Peel potatoes and cut into small pieces
Place small rocks round the fire.
Sit frying pan on rock over the fire
Fill frying pan with about half an inch of cooking oil
When oil hot ( to test temp. spit in oil, this saves burning your finger, if oil sizzles oil is ready to cook)
Place fish in pan
Place potatoes in pan
Keep turning till they turn golde brown.
Hey presto!! fish and chips.
Happy memories.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 14:53:23 (UTC)
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Linda
you have some memory thanks.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 14:48:12 (UTC)
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Dear Uncle Johnny Green
Am so glad you received your ties and your "turds". My middle name is manyana hence the ties lurking in outer space for about six months. Apologies. As for the other, no, they are not chocolate bananas, what are you on about??? You did what with them? Ate them, yeaghhh, ag siz tok maan. I got the packages mixed up!!!!! Tee Hee, good weren't they, will send some more soon (give me about another half a year nes pas).
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 09:57:08 (UTC)
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Chris Conrad (formerly Van Tonder)
Welcome to the GNR. I see you are looking for Pappy. He is already posting on this board.
If you contact me, I can put you in touch with Rose Magor, who is George Wenman's cousin since you are looking for him too.
I have Blackie Hall's contact info, but he seems to have dropped out of sight for some reason.
Please email me.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 01:36:25 (UTC)
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Pappy, You're right it was Golden Peacock but I was still told to bugger off! I did have a 1953 BSA Bantam 125 when I stayed with Dereck Strange in Nkana. I had pranged the Cooper, Ray Deetlefs rear ended me into the roundabout at Parklands after a dice, I would have been better coming second. So for wheels I picked up the Bantam for about K25. The blue book had 3 owners inside and 14 previous owners written on it.I bet Dereck and Kevin Snead one day I could go to Kevin's house in Kalulushi from Dereck's Nkana house without touching tar. I made it after much Castle anaesthetic for courage but went through quite a few thorn bushes on the way, so I looked quite wrecked when I got there.
Philip, Many houses in Nkana which were knocked down later were found to have an extra underground water connection before the meter for the garden tap I remember many very nice gardens and how well off miners must have been to water them so generously.
Was your Dad maybe the 'midnite plumber'.
Heather, Carlo Comano and his family was well known to Ross and I when he started Lusaka Auto Electrical Services.We used to take all our buzz bike problems to him to fix. He assembled a Maserati bike gearbox for me after Ross broke a cog in it and chucked it in a ditch in disgust. I gave Ross 5 pound then for the bike and Carlo fixed it.
In 1966 or 67 LAES became the original Diesel-Electric in Zambia and Ross worked for them in 1967 for a while. When I left Diesel-Electric Kitwe in 1977 I joined Carlo's previous Lusaka partner Rolf Schaerer here in Diesel-Electric Springs and found Carlo was a shareholder and Director here. I only saw him once or twice in SA as I think he was in UK by then. Rolf asked me to join him in buying Carlo's shares as he was a sleeping partner and not active in the business here, so we did. I then stayed with Rolf until he retired in 2002 and we bought his shareholding out as well. So our original connection with Carlo was 40 years ago!
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:50:28 (UTC)
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Thank you for the photos of the 12th Class Locos you posted on the site. The first thing I did was to look up the link to the book shop only to find the book is out of stock and out of print. Oh well thats life. Still, Thanks to you, I have some good photos of a loco type that I have fired both on the shunt and on the main line between TJ and Livingstone. The first time I was ever allowed to drive a loco was when working on the shunt at TJ and that was a 12th Class number 195, noted for it's unusual Whistle. Funny how one never takes photos of things you want later in life, but we had to wait until we had used the whole film and then send it to be devoloped, at least 3 weeks, before we got the photos. Not like moden photos. Aim, click and download.
Thanks again
SYD
Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:37:59 (UTC)
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Nicky:
Was it Jenny and Henry Saunders?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:30:09 (UTC)
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Marilyn
I can imagine what that trip to durban was like with Winnie. I hope your make up and hair has improved since Ha! Ha!
Any one
Remember who won the dance/rock marathon at the Kitwe Playing Fields in the mid 60's ? Marilyn says Linda might know.
Was anyone at the session mid 60's at Venture Cruisers Boatal on the Zambian side of Cariba the Planets were playing. What a night! We watched all the boats coming from the south side to the session. The next day I caught a tiger fish about 4feet, uh 3, ok 2feet long, I suppose a tiddler compered to you big time fisher persons out there hey?
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 12:52:54 (UTC)
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With the recent posting of recipes here is something that may be of interest. Go to www.biltong.co.uk and click on 'fun stuff' and there are a number of recipes, some of which have been covered.
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 12:12:31 (UTC)
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Cheers Heather.
Comano`s still there. That`s amazing. Say hello for me as I had a couple of honda`s off them as well as the Cooper S.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 11:53:57 (UTC)
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David Gray
I have just viewed the photos taken at the Cape Town Caper, and after too many years to remember, I would have recognised you anywhere. Lovely to "see" you again after all this time.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 07:36:32 (UTC)
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Philip Pain
Welcome back - I have missed your stories!
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 07:20:31 (UTC)
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Perth Purler Party
Sunday 14th March 2004
Stamford Arms Pub, Scarborough
from midday onwards
If you are will be attending, please contact Marilyn Noall on +61 8 9203 5113 or email mnoall AT fusionoil.com.au
Bookings for lunch can be made at a nearby restaurant
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 06:59:35 (UTC)
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Dennis Pigrum, John Bourne, Albert Calderbank, Carl Davies
Best wishes on your birthday
THE CAPE TOWN CAPER
Herewith the photos of the Cape Town Caper which was very ably and effciently organised by Charlie Cartmill.
Well done Charlie !
Hover your mouse over the eagle's eye and you will find details of who is in the photo
And a flag you will all remember.
Thanks for bringing it along Skatie.
Present were
Tess and Charles Cartmill (BH)
Theo Mavronikolas (BH)
Ron and Clifford Clibborn-Dyer (Lusaka)
David and Anne Gray (C/Belt)
Mike and Paula Barron (BH)
Ron and Jennifer Sayer (Lusaka)
Rowena (nee Cartmill) and Roger Tiffin (BH)
Tony and Linda Weinand (BH)
Jill Mortimer (nee Deippe (sp?) (BH)
Ian Logan (BH)
Patrick Barron (BH)
Skattie Fourie (C/Belt)
Peter and Stephanie (?) Nupen (C/Belt)
Alf and Felicity Vismer (BH)
Sharon Panicco (BH)
Barry Jackson (C/Belt)and his wife whose name I can't remember (sorry)
The Waldrons whose names I also can't remember (sorry again)
Barry Freed and his wife (BH and C/Belt)
Also have a couple of other photos which I have been struggling to find the time to post:
Geoff Gogle in Swakopmund
And these photos, sent to me by Bob Allan, and scanned from "Steam Locomotives of Rhodesia Railways" by Rev Edward Hamer. This book is available from Books Of Zimbabwe On-Line
On the subject of books and railways - when I was in South Africa last week, I bought a book entitled 'The Cape To Cairo Railway' by George Tabor (published by Genta Publications Email gentauk AT yahoo,co.uk ISBN 0-9544847-0-3). It not only covers the railway, but also the river routes and the hotels associated with the railways such as the Victoria Falls Hotel.
KATHY SMITH
That is one of the most important tips for making koeksisters - the temperature of the syrup. This should not only be coolish, it should be freezing.
When (which is not very often) I make koeksisters, I make the syrup the day before and put it in the freezer for at least 24 hours. Then, when frying the koeksisters, I split the syrup into a number of different bowls which I rotate after each batch in the fryer. When the koeksisters are plunged into the syrup, they need to hiss as they draw in the syrup.
I'm also fairly certain that the traditional recipe was a yeast dough rather than using baking powder - it gives a much lighter dough to absorb the syrup. Unfortunately, I don't know what I have done with my recipe book that has my recipe in it. When I find it, I'll let you know.
They store very well in the freezer and can be eaten as soon as you take them out because the syrup does not freeze solid.
JANE TODD
Protests were about an increase in the PAYE rates in our last budget, but it was carried out in a very orderly manner.
ROSSLEY GILLIES
The Comano family still own the Honda agency in Lusaka, and it is probably still in the same place - Kalambo Road (the road going west from northend roundabout)
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 05:36:55 (UTC)
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Nicky,
I knew Winnie. We shared a compartment on the train to Duban. Me to boarding school and Winnie to a new life! Can you imagine that journey? She put highlights in my hair, taught me how to use make up, and so many other things. We had a hoot! I wonder where she is now.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 02:07:28 (UTC)
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Ayub:
I didn't realize one had to pick a quarrel first...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 01:19:09 (UTC)
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Am I the only one who cannot get the "contact" option to work on the GNR tonight??
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 01:15:35 (UTC)
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Currency conversion:
Try the following:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 23:49:07 (UTC)
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I`d better be careful what I post as the old lady only lives 500 yards away round the corner. She cant klop Bob but she sure as hell will land clouts on me if she finds out what I was really like in the old day`s.
I showed some pics on the site of Lusaka and Kitwe to two of my staff today. One said, how could you grow up in such a s***thole. I actually felt sorry for him especially as his bonus for this month has now gone down the crapper. HA!!
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 22:39:29 (UTC)
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