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Heater!!!!

Kinda slipped by us. HAPPY BIRTHDAY to one of the stars of the GNR. Hope U have a wonderful birthday - sorry we can't be there to share it with U but will raise a glass of wine to U.

Love & best wishes - Gary, Natasha & Scott. XXXXXX

Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 23:00:49 (UTC)


Billy

Sent you an email a few minutes back

Mike

Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 22:42:56 (UTC)


A very Happy Birthday to you Heather!! You have done so many things for all of us to enjoy the GNR and events planned. Your photos have warmed so many hearts. You are a super star. I hope you win the Picka Lot! Is that what it was called?

Can anyone living in Kitwe tell us if the Zambians still come around to the houses on their bicycles with the bags of fruit and veggies for sale. It seems like we paid the same prices for each bag, no matter the contents. And then there were also the curios and coffee table sellers who wanted to barter for used clothing. I still have little wooden elephants that I bartered for.

I also remember getting outfits made by the Zambian male dressmakers who had their old Singer sewing machines that worked with the pedals. You would take a photo of something you like in a magazine and give them the fabric and they did a pretty good job of copying it for you. Mind you, I never did like Butch in a dress. (grin)

Anybody remember the "hot pants" era? I was talking to Robert Worrill about it in a recent email, and we were remembering the shimmery hot pants the girls used to wear, usually with some exotic cloak thingey over them and boots... never forget the boots. When I look at the young girls in Austin, Texas, now, with their jeans barely covering their nether regions, 6 inches down from their waists and their tops 6 inches up from their waists, I reckon we were not THAT bad in what we wore. No wonder the boys can never concentrate at school here. Our GNR lads would have had a cadenza if they had to cope with this at school. Way too much testosterone in the air in those days!

By the way, any of you young maidens from Kitwe who may have spurned our very own Phillip Pain in your youth, you must have had a hole in your head. He was a cutie pie by the photo he sent me. You should post it Phil. Then again.. I would imagine there are still a few dads lurking out there.. with their shotguns. (grin)

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 22:30:34 (UTC)


Butch,
Do I remember those TV programes? I was never off them and since I was four years older then you I would've been your role model.Ha! Ha! I used to go to the very first programe I think maybe it was Spin a Long, and jived away, mostly with my sister in my younger days, before all those NR chicks led me astray. I was known as Jiving Jim!! I remember Copper Cabana. But what year was Duke Box Dury on? Can anyone remember the others if any?
I don't remember Sharon McKenzie if she was also four years younger our paths would only cross you know what I mean? A year or two made a big difference in those days.
When you were playing for The Pirates I was playing football on the field next to you. Did you play with Chris Charalambidies in the Pirates? he was a good friend of mine. We grew up together and he played for the Pirates.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:22:26 (UTC)


Colin

Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! for yesterday. Did you sing on your birthday? Colin is a tenor with the Staatsoper in Germany and his equally talented wife currently teaches and conducts choirs.

Heather

An official birthday on the 29th! If you have half the joy you bring to our lives with your pictures and all you do you'll have an amazing birthday!

Health and happiness to you both and to everyone who has already had their 2004 birthdays.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:18:58 (UTC)



Dear Heather Many Happy Returns Of the Day from your Toy Boy Johnny.xx
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:04:47 (UTC)




He means Ipi Tombe but (oh thank you David!) can we please keep Impchy Chompy too. It's too glorious. I'm now calling it "Itchy Chompy".

I've still got both The Warrior and Ipi Tombe on l.p. Didn't like the new show recording nearly as well. Has anyone found the original on CD? You can buy CD recorders that will record your records on CD. We have one but most of the stuff we were going to record onto CD is still waiting. Obviously a professional studio recording is preferable where available.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 21:00:13 (UTC)


Butch,
Go for it! Yours, Linda's and my recollections all dffer - but it could be funnny to read. JUST - don't forget that you were madly in love with me - OKAY!!!

Jilly


Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 20:59:36 (UTC)


David Hoyle:

Do you mean Ipi Tombe?

Jilly:

Butch has clarified the story to me. (Terrible when you get old and can't remember exact details, isn't it? ) I thought I punched his lights out and sent him through the glass window of Lentin's, but he remembers it slightly different. (grin) Since he was the one who ended up with the black eye on that one, perhaps we should let him tell the story? After all, from his version, you and I sound like we came off better, I think. So much water under the bridge now that I had forgotten how I could eat little boys like him for breakfast if they crossed me. (grin) The passage of time (and this bleddy GNR) allows wounds to heal and friendships to regrow, and that is a good thing. Just yanking your chain, Butch. All in good fun 35 yrs later...

Ah.. the folly of youth. We should all write our life stories, don't you think? It would definitely be a best seller, only nobody outside of Africa would believe us. If they made a movie out of mine, I would have to have Angelina Jolie play my part since she is so whacko! Ha! Ha!

Signing off:
Sumo Dore

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 18:32:06 (UTC)


Greetings. I am Anita Thomas from Brisbane, Australia, only daughter of Don and Ann Thomas, neice of Gwyneth (current login) formerly of Mufulira. I am current visiting SA during March and April and am trying to get in contact with the Panico family, especially Robbie and Sharon Panico. I am also attempting to contact Bruce and Celeste Wright of Harare. I would greatfully appreciate any leads or contact information which can be forwarded to Gwyneth through this site. Thankyou and kind regards.

Gwyneth Thomas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 17:53:29 (UTC)


A VERY VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HEATHER FROM ALL OF US!!

Brenda & Bob Armstrong

Thanks for the lovely day, look forward to seeing you again!

and also from
Ken and Mairi Cummins
Mary Jane Todd



Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 17:39:16 (UTC)


Charles Cartmill,

I notice that your request to show the photograph of the fish caught at 12 miles drift was ignored, well... I have to admit after seeing the photograph I'm not surprised that Arthur has gone a bit quiet. Over to you Arthur but I think its only fair that it is shown on the GNR Message Board.

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 16:32:22 (UTC)


Butch,

Firstly say hi to your neighbour Baby Bester for me - I remember his Datsun very well! His Mom and mine were very good friends.

Does anyone know where Theresa McKenzie, ex-wife of Jimmy McKenzie is? I'd love to make contact with her again.

Butch - your story of the engagement ring and the 18 year old sounds fascinating - I was only 16 when I knew you, so why do you have to have my permission? In case I lied about my age - please send draft of engagement story to contact address below and I will let you know if you can do this thing. I have consulted another certain person and they also do not want this published without being edit checked first.

Talking of bands - Graham Boyle is a GNR member so you can contact him if you want. He was a great support to Kevin when he was ill and when he was well. Kevin went on to do some amazing things in the music industry in SA and was still employed in the industry when he passed away in December 2002. A great guy and a very good musician.

Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 16:26:55 (UTC)


With all this reference to bands and music can anybody point me in the right direction to find a CD or Cassette of a record that we used to play in the 1970's. I think was by The Warriers and I hate to try to pronounce this but it sounded like Impchy Chompy. I had an LP produced by Teal Records but one night in Kitwe I gave it away to a lady in a moment of madness. I always thought I would be able to buy another copy but 30 years later I am still looking and I would like to hear it again.

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 15:52:37 (UTC)


Michael,
I have sent you a couple of emails did you get them.
Bill Laing Durban

Billy Laing [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stevenage, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 14:06:43 (UTC)


Hi Nicky
You are right he was a great guy. I remember all those bands and the TV programs my brother in law Doug Smith worked at the studios and we always got free entrance, in fact my chick at that stage who u know were quite famous for appearing every week on Juke box jury do u remember that? I remember playing a game of rugger for Pirates in Chingola and a whole bunch of hecklers shouting go juke box evertime I touched the ball. i am sure I remember u, I used to go to Tech in Ndola, do u remember Sharon McKenzie? She also lives around the corner from me.

Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, February 28, 2004 at 08:44:58 (UTC)



There were 3 types of mango when I lived in Zambia
The third one was the Peach mango It was long in shape while the flesh was very smooth and non-stringy, hence a favourite with the older generation as it did not get caught up in their false teeth.


Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 18:24:56 (UTC)


Bernard
It's sad about Kevin Mason. He used to play with me in the band The Planets in Kitwe in 1966. He was a great lead guitarist. Actualy all the guys in The Gentle People
played with me in the bands in Kitwe either in The Blue Jays or The Planets we were also on the TV at the Kitwe studios on Spin Along does anyone remember the program?
Cheers.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 12:03:20 (UTC)


Marilyn
I don't know how we lasted so long during the marathon. When we first started, the three bands decided we should play for two hours at a time, by the next day it was down to half an hour and by the last couple of hours now one knew what band we were playing with Ha! Ha!

Have a good one.
Nicky.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 11:53:34 (UTC)


Just a link to a page that will tell you all about the "Snot Apple Tree " AZANZA GARCKEANA.. as we ...all the kids in Fort Victoria... new it ...


http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5327e/x5327e0l.htm
The best chewing gum you get get...
The other friut that you have been taking about is the "Marula" berry

http://www.wildwatch.com/resources/plants/marula.asp

Roger Pinder [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canberra, Australia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 10:51:28 (UTC)


the other mangoes were sugar mangoes long funny looking things like my Grandma's left breast
linda you are a spoils sport that engagement story would be great entertainment and I am sure Jill won't mind, after all I was the one who got beaten up by an out raged female.
Ross the fair lady is the car I am refering to.
Marilyn I seem to recall getting beaten up by another crazy women in the smuggies ladies room, could that have been you? Nah I doubt it.
I last saw Chewey on the Dbn beach front some yrs ago I could find out where he is I still see Graham from time to time, I suppose you all know our dear friend Kevin Mason passed away (x Gentle people)
Linda do u want the photo back?
Later

Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 09:51:15 (UTC)


Colin Hills

Best wishes on your birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 05:51:59 (UTC)


RE: "the Things with Chewey in Zambia" via Bernard Anderson.

Does anyone have any news on Chewey? I did not know him other than watching the band, except that one night I spent about three hours talking to him and listening to "Band of Gypsies" Hendrix's album of the time on my 8 track tape player in the car outside a party in Ndola.

Regards Rob.

Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 04:03:40 (UTC)


Maureen Steevens,

Please email me. I have an address for you.

Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 03:43:25 (UTC)


Butch,

I know your name so well we must have met. On our honeymoon we bumped into Graham Boyle and he told us to go to the Smugglers Arms as the Gentle People were playing there. We got some friends and headed out here. Mmm. It was different but we had a great night until I went to the loo. Some idiot followed me in and locked me in. He was so drunk, falling all over. I kicked him so hard, said a few choice word I learned at Kitwe Convent and went back out. Some how some of the guys got to hear and that was the end of the night. A free for all followed, looking for the idiot who roughed me up. Of course we went back because the music was so good.

Does anyone remember Ann Bradford? She and Clive were in that dance marathon and did really well.

Nicky, I don't know how you guys all lasted so long. Those were the day hey?

Nothing against chewing gum - I used to find it under my desk all the time! I just hate it on my shoes.

Have a good weekend everyone. It's a long one here in Perth. Labour day and we get the day off. Some times I love the unions!

Marilyn



Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 27, 2004 at 01:57:46 (UTC)


Poor Johnny, you are going to hate my scribbled character self-portrait when it gets posted...

James your reminiscences would be fun on the Lusaka Convent site. I'll email you. Going by the dates you give you were at Lusaka Convent quite a few years ahead of me.

Yep Catholicism, especially in those days, was a particularly stark introduction to religion for a young kid. However on the whole those Dominican nuns at L.C. were a particularly human lot and compared very, very favourably with all other Catholic schools my Mum put me through before and after. Many of the Lusaka teachers I still regard as extended family.

A little digression for interest follows. By comparison the English A' Level boarding school I attended was a neo-gothic monstrosity at all levels. The Headmistress looked and behaved like a Grand Inquisitor. She was afflicted with a limp. We called her "Hopalong Chastity". She told my mother when I left that she would expect me capable of any vice - which I found a lot funnier than my mother did. Anne Robinson, host of the T.V. programme: "The Weakest Link" suffered her too and recalls that she was similarly verbally written off before leaving. I'm sure that's where we both get our warped side.

But then all schools of that era varied from sublime to ridiculous didn't they?

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 23:59:19 (UTC)


Why is everyone out there so paranoid about chewing gum? that's what held our desks together at Frederick knapp and kitwe Boys High. Ha! Ha!
I wonder how many of us now chew the denture friendly kind?

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 22:14:44 (UTC)


Kathy
I buy kidney mangoes from my local Asda shop, when in season, not as good as the mangoes in kitwe but nothing is as good as it used to be, or is it just me?
I also just found Gem Squash also in Asda from RSA.

I lived up mangoe trees but only remember two kinds ordinary and Kidneys.

I see Trish is posting now, briliant.


Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 22:07:10 (UTC)


Hi Trish
where have you been all my life?
That was some marathon hey? you say you slept a long time after that, well you should've seen my fingers after two days playing, they still haven't recovered. ( playing the guitar for those dirty minds out there) Ha! Ha!

Why don't you get Hazel to post on the board.

Watch what you say about Arthur Denovan Marilyn is his second cousin, did you know that?

Looking forward to see you in April bring me a pepermint crisp mmmmm

Cheers Nicky.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 21:53:53 (UTC)



James what a lucky little boy you were, it must have been a heaven sent experience just about on par with my present dream of becoming involved with a deaf and dumb nyphomaniac who owns a public house, and the Icing on the cake would have been grabbing hold of that lovely girl Tina behind the bicycle shed, you had all the luck Johnny.

Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 19:08:54 (UTC)


Hi everyone, one of the two Charlies 'angels' here.

Just thought I'd share a bit of totally useless bit of information with you all.

On my trip to Cape Town last weekend - 'great seeing you and Tess, Charlie' - decided on my last night in "town" to stay at an hotel in Bloubergstrand - regardless of the price. Well, we won't even mention the price!!!, but, suffice it to say, it was worth every cent to a Jo'burgite who really misses the sea, after living in Cape Town for some 17 years after leaving Zambia.

I was lucky enough to get the last room in the hotel which was one of the de luxe suites right on the beach - with the sea literally spraying me whilst lying in bed.

That out of the way - I'd like to congratulate my sister - Jennifer Strydom (nee Robertson) on the birth of her new grand daughter Shakeerah - see you next week when you get out here. To Wayne and Shaheedah - congratulations.



Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 18:07:13 (UTC)


Tina M. mentioned the girls' convent in Lusaka and it brought back memories:

I may be one of the few boys on this site who attended the girls' convent in Lusaka. What I was doing there, I don't know - I was 9, and maybe Lusaka Boys' School didn't take one at that age. That was around 1947-8.
We lived in Woodlands, and a bus picked me up - I recall the driver pulling a chain and a big metal arrow would pop up outside the bus indicating which was it was turning.
The laugh is that I wasn't even a Catholic and I was told by some of the nuns that I would roast in hell - I had no idea how to use the holy water in wee jars outside the classrooms etc. My Dad (Dan Sleigh, architect with the PWD) told me to do my best and get on with it. The Mother Superior was a thin lady some six feet tall and she wore pince nez - miserable thing.
I remember the time there was a terrible stushie - a handful of girls had run off. They were eventually found heading up the railway line to Broken Hill or somewhere.
It was an interesting experience, but may, in part, account for my lack of faith in any religion now! Half the nuns, however, were gentle souls and good teachers, but the other half seemed to fear and detest the handful of boys who went to the convent.

James Findlay Sleigh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 17:09:33 (UTC)


Linda,
We have Broadband here. 24-7 access 10x faster than normal internet for one flat fee. I have it. Mum says she has to watch the pennies though. They do rip you off here on phone charges so Broadband aint cheap.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 15:45:43 (UTC)


Dennie:
Glad to see you are posting. Your two hooligans are keeping us entertained with all their exploits. Please ask Bob to confess his story about when we were at Kariba. Nasty little boy that he was. (grin) I don't know how it works on your side of the pond, but I pay a flat amount that allows me to use my computer and the phone at the same time, by cable access Good deal, seeing as I have two teenage boys who grow phones from their mouths every waking minute. The time is unlimited so I don't have to worry about minutes.

Mr. Anderson:
This is your official public warning that I am reputed to have one of the longest and most vivid memories on the GNR. (grin) Any and all disclosures involving me can and will be used in a counter-story involving you. I am amused to see you have kept at least one photo of me. Is that to keep the fear alive? ha! ha! You may want to think twice about the engagement ring story, just to protect the innocent.

Marilyn:
Half the stories you hear about me are conjured up in someone's imagination.... I actually was very quiet and shy. No, really. There must be SOMEONE

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 13:36:01 (UTC)


Ma,
You`ve got your Caps lock stuck on again. Nice to see you on at last.
Any bowlers out there recognise Mother`s name? She and Dad were Champion bowlers in Af and played all over Northern and Southern Rhodesia.

Bob, great phone call last night. It was good to talk. BT thinks so too. (British Telecom) He He.

Butch,
So, you remember my Datsun fairlady sports. Magic motor. Remember the Cadillac I bought? Could get my whole drum kit in the boot and the whole band inside the limo. Now I know why I was so poor. You had the money. Never mind, you earned it having to listen to the row I made on the drums.

I wonder how many of these "choir girls" I knew. Ma said every time I came home from a session I had a new bird on my arm. Dont believe a bit of it.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 13:24:03 (UTC)


hOW DO YOU LOT GET THE TIME TO POST SO MANY MESSAGES, WILL SEND ONE AT THE END OF THE MONTH WHEN i SEE HOW MANY MINUTES i HAVE LEFT, UNLIKE YOU RICH LOT WHO CAN STAY ON ALL DAY
Ross's Mum

Dennie Gillies (née Dowdeswell) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Broughton Astley, Leics, England
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 12:17:56 (UTC)


Hi Neil
Is THAT really what they were called???
Snottus Applarus sounds better! Don't think I would've eaten them if I had known that name .... but there again, it was Northern Rhodesia and anything goes.....



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:12:43 (UTC)


Hi Marilyn
I still have a few photos of Linda (old b&w polaroids) in a group photo of the choir girls, I am sure our paths must have crossed at some stage? I like u did the whole school thing at all the ones u mention, then the Bulawayo and SA thing mainly known for stock car and Hot Rod racing. you obviously were not a choir girl but maybe it was the poetry reciting? Your mom probably knew me, I bought enough engangement rings (joke)

I spent a lot of time with the Gentle people at "Smuggies" SA and the Things with Chewey in Zambia, I was Ross Gillies drummer assistant for a few yrs (I carried the money that he made)
Ross
I swopped you the Volvo for the Datsun sports car (ex Baby Besters who is my neighbour now) but swopped it back when I discovered that all the choir girls couldn't fit in. (another joke) it got written off and turned into a chapel in Garneton
In the next chapter I'll tell the story of the 18 yr old and the engagement ring if Jill will let me.

Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 11:12:05 (UTC)


Linda

Please send me a photo of yourself at school so that I have a mental picture of everything you got up to in Kitwe! You must have been dodging Philip Pain I think!

Colin Hamtilon

I am wearing a new pair of sandals (bought yesterday) and when I went to change gears this morning I had to really pull my left foot off the pedal as it appeared to be stuck. It was - with green chewing gum. Aaaagh. Have you visited Singapore? You'll never come across chewing gum there. It's outlawed. Along with graffiti, and a few other 'western' traits. We Kitwe-ites just woulnd't have survived there. No kissing and cuddling in the streets so there go the Choir Girls!

Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 08:32:31 (UTC)


Kathy,
Do you mean snot apples?... sorry I don't know the latin name.

Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 08:00:55 (UTC)


Patrick Thomson, Peter Sutcliffe, George English

Best wishes on your birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 05:32:30 (UTC)


Colin,

RE the Mahobahoba. Your ex Gwelo buddy probably found the fruit in the Selukwe area where it seemed that virtually all of the bush comprised Mahobahoba. I have to believe that they were also found up North, but in all honesty, I never saw one. Are you talking about Woodlands in Lusaka? Quite likely my eyesight may have been negatively impacted by too much libation and Steak Diane at the Woodpecker!

Who is your mukker from Gwelo, and what era was he there? (It was my stomping ground in the late fifties/early sixties)

Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 05:06:58 (UTC)


Dammit! Forgot to mention Wrigleys. I hate chewing chicle! In fact I imagine it won't be too long before the chewing of gum puts you at risk of being on the receiving end of a knuckle sandwich. To use a current cliche "Chewing gum is the new smoking".
I was under the impression the little grey-white spatters on roads and pavements were from birds that couldn't quite make it to the PK! Not so. Were he alive today Dick Whittington would have found the streets of london paved with Wrigley's. It's a genuine problem, costing millions every year to remove. Apparently there are moves afoot to discourage it.
Personally I think anybody found spitting it on to the pavement should be forced to pick it up again and drop it in a litter bin - using only their teeth!

Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 03:32:32 (UTC)


Chris Tamm: Never saw them in NR? Could have sworn we used to trek through the bush across from us in Woodlands and eat those darned things there! Maybe just had them down in "Zimbabwe".
But talk of the long arm of coincidence! A friend of mine who hailed from the throbbing metropolis of Gwelo is back here in London after a langthy spell abroad. Last night he was bringing me up to date with his experiences in a phone call that must have put BT well into profit for the year.
Just as he wa about to hang up (and I was about to slide off the settee) said "Oh - before you go. Have you ever heard of something called a mahoba-hoba."
His reply came in a tone that suggested I fire on only one cylinder.
"Of course, man. We used to eat them when we were kids."
Our memories differ only slightly. He is convinced there were three or maybe even four pips inside.
Just reassuring to know I'm not imagining things!

Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 03:22:17 (UTC)


Butch:

I have a mental picture of all the "choir girls" of your past, in a tight circle, back to back, with their 10ft sharpened barge poles facing outwards. Ha! Ha!

The way it works here is to throw the names out that you are looking for. How can we possibly guess since there were legions of them.

If you want to know who slit the seats in your Volvo, it was Jill. No really... or maybe it was Denise, or Gillian or Veronica or Margaret?

Do you remember those oh so cool looking matching red and blue corduroy jeans you and I had custom made? We were so young and full of it.

I remember a funny story about when you were at Northern Technical in Ndola. I wrote you a letter and put on the envelope "Postman, Postman, don't be slow. Be like Butch and go man go!" It was returned to me a few days later with the inscription, "It's not going anywhere until you put a bloody stamp on it" Ha! Ha!

Okay, I promise to behave myself and not rib on you anymore.

Your turn, Ross.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 23:54:37 (UTC)


Chris,

There were mohobohobos (Uapaca kirkiana) in Zambia, a wine was also made from the fruit. They are found throughout the region in what is known as "Miombo Woodland" and the fruits are a very important source of vitamins for the local population. Do a Google search on the Latinised name for more information.

Jill

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 21:03:13 (UTC)


What about the stuff that grew on trees and looked like a brazil nut (one side of, only...) and you chewed the 'bark' stuff off and got a sort of chewing gum!! Anyone else do that or were you all 'wrigleys' people?? (Did we have wrigleys? - the little grey cells are playing up again..).

Why don't we get 'kidney' mangoes over here in UK? Are they available elsewhere? We used to have 3 trees in our garden in Philip Street and each one produced a different mango - 'normal', kidney' and I can't remember the 3rd....Help, please.....

Great to hear all your stories - but where was I when all this was going on??? Must've been in Butch's chess class and poets society..... Thought some of my stories were pretty good until I found this site.... Where are all my peers?? SOMEbody must remember me...........(please)...............

Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 20:28:09 (UTC)


Trivia Question for non-Australian MALE GNR members.
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Question: How do they have "safe-sex" in Australia?

Answer: They mark the ones that kick with an "X"

Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 19:23:12 (UTC)


Tina,
Ho Ho Ho, Oh yes, very good,.
Thanks anyway. Everyone should put their picture on, then we could see what characters emerge. I for one would like to see if my mental image of people fits the way they post.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 19:03:27 (UTC)


Colin Hamilton writes:

It was about the size of a guava with a creamy content and two large pips. (Why should that sound familiar?)
We called them "mahobahobas". But not a living soul I've met since then has heard of them. Any idea what they might have been? i

The Mahobahoba trees were profuse all over the Selukwe area. The fruit was delicious, but tended to be a little "flowery" when over ripe.

I never saw the trees in N.R. ?


Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 18:25:57 (UTC)


Just catching up with the lively chat and reminiscences on the board. Ross, lovely picture of Angie and of you. You are very handsome but you should put your ears forward.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 18:21:45 (UTC)


Hey Nicky,
I remember that marathon - 1965 I think it was. How could I forget. I entered! Arthur Denovan was my partner. His wife was very pregnant and she couldn't enter, so he put my name forward. I seem to remember lasting some 14 odd hours and sleeping after that for about 24 hours. Folks weren't too happy. I had a midnight curfew and I think I rocked in about 8 am the next morning. Ah, those wild halcyon days! See you in April when I visit the UK.
Trish

Patricia Seville (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, KZN, South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 15:02:45 (UTC)


Hi Bernard?
I never knew anyone called Bernard - and I was a choir girl! Obviously NOT on your A List, yet you remember me. Welcome to the message board Butch.
There's plenty lurking out there who will know you, but not under that moniker.

Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 14:08:43 (UTC)


Linda,
Look what prose, teamwork and a liberal dose of baseline begging will do.
WELCOME BUTCH!!! Honest, it`s so good to hear from you.
Yes, we were the gangsters. You were always the guy who said "dont do that, that`s just plain wrong I will not participate". OUCH!!!! I just bit my tongue, probably because it was firmly lodged in my cheek.
As we asked before, do you know what happened to the marvellous Volvo and indeed the Honda s800 I`m sure was your`s?
Ross (a man!)

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 13:25:15 (UTC)


Hi I got challenged to post a message by one certain Linda whom I am sure I used to know way back, and I see reading the message board there are a couple of Gillies brothers I recall as well, (real gangsters if I remember) and apart from the name Jill Aplin there seems to be no one I recollect, I grew up in a very quiet era in Kitwe where we spent our free time, when we weren't studying reciting poetry and playing chess.
I wonder what happened to all the people from that era especially the choir girls I knew? If any one has any info please post.
Cheers

Bernard Anderson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinetown, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 11:45:48 (UTC)


Colin,
No probs. Yes, the name appears to be unique. Given by my father who said the origin is Scots Gaelic. I`m half Scots you see. I was only called by my full name when I was in the caca! Ross is fine.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 09:40:50 (UTC)


Tony Wood

Best wishes on your birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 06:20:21 (UTC)


Colin:

Are you thinking of "snakes apples" as the fruit?

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 05:11:50 (UTC)


Problems wherever you are! In the States it looks like the Constitution's up for grabs! From today's utterances (or "utterisations" as he, himself would probably refer to them) it appears the motto of the bouncing tick from Texas is "Make War - not love"!
Meanwhile that fountainhead of wit and wisdom, Arnie Schwarzenegger wants amendments enabling him to run for the Presidency. Presumably somebody will volunteer to guide his pen so he can sign those documents of state!
Rossley - my apologies for putting you through the discomfort of that brief sex-change. (Although they do say you should try anything once!)
I could laugh it off as a typo, claiming I intended to refer to the "laddy from Leicester" but I don't think it would be convincing. To be honest I was too idle to go back down the page, and just remembered the name vaguely... Sorry but I've never come across your name before! How nice to be unique.
Reverting to the subject of food as kids we'd go into the bundu and eat prickly pears and something else. - It was about the size of a guava with a creamy content and two large pips. (Why should that sound familiar?)
We called them "mahobahobas". But not a living soul I've met since then has heard of them. Any idea what they might have been? i




Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 02:22:01 (UTC)


Ali

Good to see you finally got around to posting, hope this isn't the first and last time! Good way to meet some Perth GNR's is to be at the Perth Purler Party.

Marilyn Noall

Tried to send you an email to let you know that I would be at the Purler Party but it bounced back. Looking forward to meeting you and other GNR's.


Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at 00:52:42 (UTC)


Brian,
Holdsworths are forgiven for doing the photo the wrong way round. The original is right as I`ve just checked it out. I must have scanned it in wrongly.
Duhhh!!!

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 18:52:57 (UTC)


Seeing Ross with the horse reminds me of when I was in a pub in the USA. A guy came into town on a horse looking very hot and dusty. He tied the horse to the rail ,went to it's rear lifted it's tail and gave it a long smootch right there. I asked him if what I saw was real. He said he has been in the desert for months and got terrible cracked lips. I asked him if kissing the horses a*** was a cure. He said no, but it stops you licking your lips.

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 16:03:17 (UTC)


Got a phone call this morning which proved yet again that I`ve got a head full of sudsa. I reckon boarding school in Rustenberg SA is responsible. I digress.
I`ve had the photo`s of the Marrionettes I posted for 40 years. In all that time I never noticed that the word THE on my drums in Marrionettes1.jpg is backwards. Holdsworth`s chemists processed the neg the wrong way round. Arrrgh!!!
Said phone call came from the Daddy of Rhodesian music and the acknowleged Guru of all things lyrical Brian Geyser (that OK Brian) who in a voice of outraged dismay informed me that Geoff and Bud who were trained to play by him were never left handed. Oops!
Brian has kindly sorted the image out and emailed it to me so I will submit it to Arthur to re-post if that is possible.

Thanks To Arthur for posting the images so promptly.
I`ll see if Mum has any more piccies anywhere.

Do you have any Bob?



Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 15:21:19 (UTC)


Linda,
Flog a dead horse? My wife walked me that far round Chatsworth that day I was waiting for the thing to come to life so I could get a lift back to the car park. I was knackered!

Yes Butch, my old mate. Long lost friends eagerly await your overdue appearance to this select and most lagubrious??? forum. So post pleeeeeaaaase!!!

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 15:01:37 (UTC)


Bob:

I don't know if that is the same Chris you referred to in your posting below? Look up his profile in the new entries of the Names Directory link under Chris Conrad. I did not know him personally, but his name rang a bell and the list of people he was looking for are all people I know, or have email addresses for, so I was trying to help him find them. I think he was part of the motorcyle racing crowd, but I'm not sure.

Rose Magor and I are old friends from Kitwe days. I lived with her before I immigrated over to Texas.

Ross:

Great photos! When I saw the one of you and your iron friend, the thought, "Talk about flogging a dead horse!" sprang to mind. Just kidding! Luv ya!

Butch:

Do you need some instructions on how to post? (grin)

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 13:33:45 (UTC)


Martin Thompson, Alan Lonsdale

Best wishes on your birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 12:08:47 (UTC)



Forgive us if we mis-read or mis-understood any of the dialogue regarding the Rhokana Library, but we hadn't been able to access the GNR for some weeks.

We wanted to say that we joined the Rhokana Library in January 1951. ( we married in Kitwe in December 1950)
Alma was taken to the Library and introduced to the ladies who staffed the library. Nora Watson ( wife of Dick Watson, Refinery Tankhouse) was an avid reader of good books and she introduced me to some very good reading. The library was well stocked and very pleasant place to visit. We were both shocked to see the 'photos of the present state of this once fine and well-run library. Obviously pure vandalism and a very sad state of affairs indeed.

Most of us would rather keep our very pleasant memories of a once thriving, friendly Copperbelt town. Alma admits to crying as we read the account by David Gray, of his recent observations. Such a waste.
Our thanks to David Gray for his wonderful 'photos and observations, we greatly appreciate his efforts. Also an appreciative thank you to Arthur for taking a 'photo of our old home at 64 Kantanta Street - even if it did look run-down and shabby.
We would rather keep our memories.

Vic and Alma Dawson

Victor Dawson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blockhouse Bay Auckland, New Zealand
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 06:30:37 (UTC)


FURTHER TO STEAM LOCOS OF RR (POSTED FRI 20TH FEBRUARY)

Just a reminder to see the archives of 16 July 2003 where Arthur posted some colour photos for me of 12 class loco no 204 taken at Vic Falls station, together with the special coaches for the tourist shuttle between Livingstone and Victoria Falls station. Red carpet and all! These photos were taken in April 2000.

The book I referred to earlier by E. Hamer contains photos of Garretts (and other classes of RR) if anyone is interested in having a look.

Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 05:40:11 (UTC)


Alistair:

Can you send me a ticket, chum? That way I can kill two birds with one stone and visit Sandra and the rest of the family too. After all, your mom claims me on her income tax still.

Hope springs eternal.....

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 02:04:00 (UTC)


Any GNR members going to the F1 GRAND PRIX In Melbourne next month, will be good to catch up.

Alastair Max Marsh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 at 01:17:27 (UTC)


Contributors

Thank you for submitting your photos to the GNR

Arthur



Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 22:18:26 (UTC)


Hello,

I found this old photo while cleaning a cupboard and remembered seeing a burnt out wreck from Lusaka last Aug on the GNR.Taken in Dr. Damie st. in ´66 this was a P.V. 544 with a B18 engine and twin carbs. A classmate, Colin Gray and I once reached 100mph with this car on the Mufulira road. My parents still don´t know.

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Here is the same model this year. These old cars are still quite common around here although beeing around 40 years old.

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Very cold Castle.

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An interesting signpost.

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I hope these photos are appropriate for the board.

Regards

Hans Mattsson
Uppsala


For the more widespread of you GNRers, including those from Leicester, who haven’t heard of the High Peak,

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this is a typical shack that the local hillbillies live in…….

John Evans

(Not me… I live in Chester!)


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Here`s firstly a photo of Dad, Mum, myself on car bonnet, Bob kneeling holding Butch, (no Linda not That Butch) taken as I remember in Parklands Lusaka around 1963.

The next two photo`s are of the Marrionettes with me on drums. Lets see if anybody can identify the players?

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Mum as she is now. She luvvves trees!

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Angie the wife in our back garden! I swear, honest, really. OK I lie!

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Me as I am now, worse luck. Wish I was skinny again.

Rosley Gillies


Hi Artie:

Jilly Aplin has asked me to send this photo to you. It is coming from me as she was not able to cull it from several that were in a batch together, so I did it for her. I am not sure what she wanted posted with it, but this is what she sent to me:

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"Tiger was caught in the Chobe River – weighed 6.5 kilos. I think that’s about 16 and a half pounds."

As with all other fisherpeople I know, she has exaggerated the converted size. 6.5 kilos is actually 14.33 pounds. (grin)

I hope it comes out okay as I had to lighten up the background considerably to make the photo clearer. It must have been taken indoors, but unlike your outdoor one held right up against the camera lens to give it the allusion of being a large fish, hers as you can see is kept close to the body. Infact, I think she finally stumbled over backwards under the weight.. (grin)

Take care and I hope you are able to post this some time soon.

Bye for now

Linda Hayes




Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 22:08:33 (UTC)


Heather, Glad you saw Colin. Say Hi from me. Ross knew big Des, his brother from the Rennie, a really nice guy.I last saw Colin about 8 years ago but I was a lot older then (irish) thus the impression he got. He was with Joe Chowles at the time. If he brings in more grinders he will see I am much younger now!

Linda , We knew a Chris Van Tonder in Lusaka about 67, he was friend of Ross's. We knew him as Koos, same guy? He appeared in Kitwe a year or two later and we remembered him from Lusaka time.Where is George Wenman now? I see Les Magor from time to time and have spoken to Rose and Mike a while ago, they all live near each other in Edenvale.

Charles, I also stopped using Castle as my belly began to flop too, so I also changed to beer from natural ingredients, Windhoek or Heineken seems to go down best, unfortunately I am stuck with my Castle legacy.


Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 15:28:20 (UTC)


Marilyn Noall

Unfortunately Sue and I will be in Sydney the weekend of the Perth GNR get together at Scarborough, so can't attend. Hope it goes OK.









Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 08:52:41 (UTC)


Belated birthday greetings to Scarscalp and Margie Dingwall and for today, Joe Behrens, Jared Honore

Best wishes on your birthday





BOB GILLIES

Carlo is no longer here (don't even know if he is still alive) but his son, Marco runs the business.

I was chatting to Collie Hindson the other day and he was telling me about 'this old guy' that he met in Springs who used to take all his old angle grinders etc for repairs. He sends his best wishes.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 07:45:09 (UTC)


Sue, Paudie, Hazel,

Are you coming to the GNR get-together in March? I'm looking forward to catching up with you all.

Marilyn



Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 05:23:25 (UTC)


PHILIP PAIN:
Regarding townwater on the Copperbelt, I remember that our Nchanga/Chingola supply was definitely mine water, possibly treated;
however, the bathwater had a distinct blue-green colour, as was the soapy scum around the bath after completion of ablutions - we should have had it assayed for copper content. Could have been worth something at the leach plant.
Cheers

Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Monday, February 23, 2004 at 01:32:49 (UTC)


if anyone remembers margeret brookbanks from n'dola please let me know how i can comtact her.thanks

Allan Glazer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brooklyn, New York, United States
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 19:20:26 (UTC)


Thanks, Johnny. Your screen wiper almost gave me a slipped disk - and whiplash. Did you give Arthur directions to Boon's Bar? Poor guy - he must've been close to Bwacha. Well - I must sign off now, and go slice myself some biltong.
Regards
CJ

Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 15:00:45 (UTC)



Dear Charles good to here you are over your bad spell and giving Arthur hell again pleased to hear that your minature bash went well, wish I could have been there and it must have been nice to have my girlfriend there she is a real honey is Heather, it is quite an impressive list of ex habitants of that dorp they call Broken Hill but surely you noticed as soon as they had a few bob they were off like monkeys with mustard around there bums? well old friend Shallaneepo your Buddy Johnny.

I am sending you a screen wiper for you PC screen you should recieve it in around 10 mins.

Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 14:44:35 (UTC)


For all those in north west England lusting after biltong and vors, the butcher in Northgate Street, Chester has a regular supply - Chris Austin.

Is there a link or section of the GNR site where the suppliers of things like memorabilia/ foodstuffs, etc are listed?

John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 14:38:31 (UTC)


Heather,
Thanks for posting the photos. "Kriges" is a nice venue. I met a couple more NRs, yesterday, who live in the Durbanville area. This place is packed with ex-NRs.
Bob Gillies,
I regularly made “Beer Bread” but stopped using Castle when my breads began to flop, and I had to add Anchor yeast to the mix. I started using beers made by a more natural process – such as Mitchells Knysna beers – with good results. I used to make ‘savoury beers’ by “gooi’ng” in a packet of Brown Onion Soup. My new home has both an indoor and outdoor braai, plus I still have a stainless 40 gal half-drum (my daughters fondly refer to it as “Dad’s feeding trough”) – so there’s no excuse for not cleaning up the old Falkirks. There again, judging by a recipe I read on the board, maybe I should buy a chef’s cap and apron, light a fire, invite David Gray around, provide him with all the ingredients – and sit back in anticipation. I know my strengths – I’m a biltong maker. As my “swaar’ – Bundu – once said (while well out of earshot of our respective wifes): “If cooking wasn’t so easy – more men'd do it”!

Arthur Steevens,
Now that I’ve recovered – I have a few bones to pick with you.
First - what’s this association you have with a “Black Hole’ and the birthplace of many famous people – such as Wilbur Smith, Peter Dielissen, Homo Rhodesiensis, Killroy, etc etc…. Did you find the right town? Appears to me you couldn’t even find the world renowned Boons Bar!
Secondly - taking advantage of my hospitalisation to charm your way into the company of “Charlie’s Angels” in Livingstone. Yes – Beth told me, yesterday morning, what a charming man you are; and all my analogies of ‘Wily Coyotes’ and Australian jokes about Bruce’s seduction techniques on Shelagh, et al, wouldn’t deviate her from her first impression.
Did you receive the snap I sent you of some fishermen landing a tiddler they took on ‘dip-sticks’ at the 12 mile drift? And that was just the live-bait to be used in the Mulungushi River – at the 15 mile drift.
Jokes aside. You’ve been so very quite, I’m concerned. Either that, or you’ve just got your new fishing permit.

Johnny Green,
Big white hunter, striding through the dense, wild jungle, comes across a tiny Pygmy - busy dressing out a massive, freshly killed elephant.
“How did a little guy like you kill such a great big beast?” he asked the Pygmy.
“With my club” replied the Pygmy.
“Must be a very big club! How big is it?” he asked.
“Oh! About 60 members” was the Pygmy’s reply.

Regards
CJ



Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 14:09:09 (UTC)



Good morning campers, just a little titbit gleaned from an overheard conversation in the pub.Johnny.
George, I believe the goverment is scrapping A level exams and a whole lot more unecessary tests, Harry replied yes I saw somewhere this morning that it will be reduced to manageable 2 hour brief exam,

What is your name?

How old are you?

Time allowed 2 hours.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 10:32:56 (UTC)


Hi Bob,
when I lived in Nkana all the houses had two water connections. One which was the garden water came directly from the mines underground water and tasted salty. (My dad told me it was salty because the underground workers used to "P" in it, didn't stop us from drinking it.) The second connection for domestic use came from the pump station at the end of Central street and which was treated water.
As far as I can remember we never paid for water and there was no restriction with the garden water.
When we lived in 8-4th Avenue my Mom used to grow flowers which she used to sell. Many people visiting patients at the mine hospital would stop at our house on their way there and buy.
I remember the sprinkler going all day and we may have had a few more garden taps than anyone else.
Cheers


Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 22, 2004 at 04:42:20 (UTC)


The Ultimate Fund Raiser:

I've told this story before, but it has been a while so I'm going to tell it again.

When I was playing for the Angels softball team up at Kitwe Playing Fields in the mid 70's, we had a fund raising evening. It was a combination casino night, rock 'n roll dance contest, and a luau. The idea for the luau came from one of our favourite men on the Pumas softball team, a person we named "Copper Crafts" on account of his teeth, which were just about all crowned in gold. His name was Ernie and he was a really great guy. Ernie was from the Phillipines and very familiar with a luau. (In case anyone is not familiar with that, it is where you wrap the meat up in leaves, bury it and let it smolder and cook while in the coals.) Ernie was in charge of the meat and a bunch of us were on kitchen duty, making the salads etc. It was a set menu. Roast pork, salad and bread. Easy enough.

Ernie wrapped the pig in banana leaves if I recall, and "the big roast" began. A very involved process which took pretty much the whole day.. and into the night... past the time we were going to serve. All the frivolity, dancing, gambling, drinking, etc., were in full swing when Ernie finally announced that the pig was ready. It was around 10:00pm. Only trouble was, we had no way to get it from the pit, which had been dug at the back of the building, to the kitchen which was at the front of the building! Bugger!!! No other way to take care of the problem but to bring it, still hog tied to the pole, straight across the dance floor. What a mess!

We got it into the kitchen and it was burning hot. A huge bugger it was. Nowhere to put it. (You can tell I was not the one who planned this fiasco... he! he!) It was therefore unceremoniously dumped onto the floor, on top of towels if I remember correctly. We began hacking away furiously at the meat, burning our hands and lobbing chunks of it onto the plates with the salad and rolls. The crowd was beginning to get restless and hungry. Fortunately they could not see what we were doing...

As luck would have it, we quickly began to run out of food, salads more than meat. One very resourceful member of the group, who shall remain nameless, came up with the idea of "recycling" the salad. Someone was dispatched to go and collect plates from people who were finished and we also had a large number of plates that had been brought back to the kitchen as there were no rubbish bins anywhere in the dance area. Yes, folks, if you were there that night, YOU may have been one of the lucky ones who ate salad that had been scraped off one plate onto another. Gawd help us, I'm thinking as we are in the throes of scraping and recycling.

There was a lot of laughter and messing around while we were doing this dirty deed, when out of the blue this very polite Zambian came to the hutch and said, "I'm not a piggy eater, so I'm like to have a steak, please?" For a few seconds after that there was a pregnant silence as we looked up from the floor, grease and salad up to our elbows, at this poor bewildered person who was about to sing "hueeeey"at the sight before him. And then we began to roar with laughter at the absurdity of the whole situation. Needless to say the luckless man slunk away before we forced any piggy and recycled salad down his gullet.

The night was a roaring success financially, and nobody from the health department had purchased a meal ticket so we made out like bandits for our fund raiser.

However, all was not well with yours truly the next day. It fell to me to count the money, which I willingly did. Count, count, lick the thumb, count count, lick the finger, lick, lick. I came down with a terrible bout of dysentery which lasted over a week from all the filthy Kwacha notes that I counted. Still, I did lose 5 Kgs in weight (and the K500 I skimmed off the top made up for the writhing agony. ha! ha! ...oops)

Yep, those were the days my friends. How we survived, I'll never know. What with drinking beer with all the stuff in the bottles, running around barefoot over half of Africa, eating fruit off the trees without washing it first, swimming in the rivers, riding our motorcycles without helmets, balancing on car bonnets at 40 mph, eating meat hung on a rope in the sun to dry, letting off fireworks in a garage, scaling mine swimming pool walls in the dark to swim in frigid water with no cossies on, sleeping out in the bush with just a tarp over our head and a fire to ward off animals from biting our faces off in our sleep, fast cars, jumping off the cliffs at The Rapids, sunbathing at Rhodwins beach with crocs licking their chops on the other side of the water.

I dunno... it just doesn't get any better than that!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 22:12:05 (UTC)


Colin,
Welcome and thanks for the info on Biltong and wors in London. Actually coming down there in March so I will search out the shop concerned for a stukkie or two.

By the way, if I`m the "lady from Leicester" you refer to in your post I`m off to the plastics man as last time I looked I had all the trappings to gain entry to the mens loo at all times. He He.
Thanks again.


Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 18:59:10 (UTC)


There are some things about Africa for which most of us spend a considerable amount of time lusting! For me. the two S's spring to mind - sunshine and space. The nearest I have found - with the added bonuses of eye-searing greenery and superbly blue ocean - is Costa Rica - Manuel Antonio in particular.
Others yearn for the sight - and taste - of boerewors and biltong according to this board. If that applies to you, as well as the lady from Leicester, and you are ever visiting London you may like to know you can buy both here! And I'm sure that once you've established contact and exchanged addresses they'd be happy to post you supplies of both. (Just take care the pooch doesn't rech the letterbox before you do !)
I first discovered the place when visiting a friend who joined the long list of celebrities who went to be "dried out" at the famous Priory Nursing Home in Barnes. Nearby yu'll find a South-African-owned mini supermarket whose roadside notice board notice board proclaims that it stocks "Boerewords and Biltong." (Which must leave some passing Brits a little puzzled)
At the junction of the Upper Richmond Road and Priory Lane (just by the Harlequins (?)football ground) turn into Priory Lane. A couple of hundred yards up on the right hand side you'll see the sign! There's a little row of shops there lying at a right angle which can be easily missed if you're not "in the know".
Happy chewing and braaivleis!

Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 17:14:38 (UTC)


Lynthia help!
Can you remember the guy that worked at Parklands Service Station with me and Graham he had a scarr on his cheek and also came from Garneton I think.Was he your cousin? I wish I could remember his name. It's terrible forgetting friends names. I suppose old age doesn't come it self.

Cheers Nicky.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 15:06:19 (UTC)


Trip down memory lane
Day outing to Mindola Dam (during school holidays)
Year-!958-1961(12-15years old)

At approximately 6am we would pack our fishing gear take a frying pan, oil and some potatoes, strap our fishing rods on to the cross-bar of our bicycles and me and a couple of friends would cycle to Mindola Dam from Kitwe.
Before arriving at the Dam we would stop on the way, and buy tins of worms from the pikininies at the side of the road for one shilling a tin. (cheaper then one penny per worm from the Angling club).

On arrival at the dam wall we would fish till mid day, catching about half a dozen Bream.( nothing like the sun shining down, and seeing the sparkling green Bream at the end of your rod coming to the surface.) We would then, drink two pints of water each, start a fire and have lunch. (Recipe below)
Then we would carry out an after lunch tradition. All would stand round the fire and pee on the fire to put it out, hence the consumption of the water. ( A couple of my friends became Firemen, it looked good on their C.V. as experience.)

We would then go swimming, look for an old abandoned boat or canoe, turn it upside down and get underneath it. There was enough room inside it to breath as we swam towards the angling club. (we were not privileged to be members.) Once at the club we would mess about for a couple of hours, and try to buy a couple of cokes ( coke tasted better in those days hey?) Then we would swim back to the wall. Pack our things and if our bikes were still there ( if our African friends didn’t borrow them) we would cycle home before darkness approached. Oh the memories!!

Lunch Recipe:
Gut fish
Peel potatoes and cut into small pieces
Place small rocks round the fire.
Sit frying pan on rock over the fire
Fill frying pan with about half an inch of cooking oil
When oil hot ( to test temp. spit in oil, this saves burning your finger, if oil sizzles oil is ready to cook)
Place fish in pan
Place potatoes in pan
Keep turning till they turn golde brown.
Hey presto!! fish and chips.

Happy memories.


Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 14:53:23 (UTC)


Linda
you have some memory thanks.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 14:48:12 (UTC)


Dear Uncle Johnny Green

Am so glad you received your ties and your "turds". My middle name is manyana hence the ties lurking in outer space for about six months. Apologies. As for the other, no, they are not chocolate bananas, what are you on about??? You did what with them? Ate them, yeaghhh, ag siz tok maan. I got the packages mixed up!!!!! Tee Hee, good weren't they, will send some more soon (give me about another half a year nes pas).









Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 09:57:08 (UTC)


Chris Conrad (formerly Van Tonder)

Welcome to the GNR. I see you are looking for Pappy. He is already posting on this board.

If you contact me, I can put you in touch with Rose Magor, who is George Wenman's cousin since you are looking for him too.

I have Blackie Hall's contact info, but he seems to have dropped out of sight for some reason.

Please email me.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 01:36:25 (UTC)


Pappy, You're right it was Golden Peacock but I was still told to bugger off! I did have a 1953 BSA Bantam 125 when I stayed with Dereck Strange in Nkana. I had pranged the Cooper, Ray Deetlefs rear ended me into the roundabout at Parklands after a dice, I would have been better coming second. So for wheels I picked up the Bantam for about K25. The blue book had 3 owners inside and 14 previous owners written on it.I bet Dereck and Kevin Snead one day I could go to Kevin's house in Kalulushi from Dereck's Nkana house without touching tar. I made it after much Castle anaesthetic for courage but went through quite a few thorn bushes on the way, so I looked quite wrecked when I got there.

Philip, Many houses in Nkana which were knocked down later were found to have an extra underground water connection before the meter for the garden tap I remember many very nice gardens and how well off miners must have been to water them so generously.
Was your Dad maybe the 'midnite plumber'.

Heather, Carlo Comano and his family was well known to Ross and I when he started Lusaka Auto Electrical Services.We used to take all our buzz bike problems to him to fix. He assembled a Maserati bike gearbox for me after Ross broke a cog in it and chucked it in a ditch in disgust. I gave Ross 5 pound then for the bike and Carlo fixed it.
In 1966 or 67 LAES became the original Diesel-Electric in Zambia and Ross worked for them in 1967 for a while. When I left Diesel-Electric Kitwe in 1977 I joined Carlo's previous Lusaka partner Rolf Schaerer here in Diesel-Electric Springs and found Carlo was a shareholder and Director here. I only saw him once or twice in SA as I think he was in UK by then. Rolf asked me to join him in buying Carlo's shares as he was a sleeping partner and not active in the business here, so we did. I then stayed with Rolf until he retired in 2002 and we bought his shareholding out as well. So our original connection with Carlo was 40 years ago!

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:50:28 (UTC)


Thank you for the photos of the 12th Class Locos you posted on the site. The first thing I did was to look up the link to the book shop only to find the book is out of stock and out of print. Oh well thats life. Still, Thanks to you, I have some good photos of a loco type that I have fired both on the shunt and on the main line between TJ and Livingstone. The first time I was ever allowed to drive a loco was when working on the shunt at TJ and that was a 12th Class number 195, noted for it's unusual Whistle. Funny how one never takes photos of things you want later in life, but we had to wait until we had used the whole film and then send it to be devoloped, at least 3 weeks, before we got the photos. Not like moden photos. Aim, click and download.
Thanks again
SYD

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:37:59 (UTC)


Nicky:

Was it Jenny and Henry Saunders?

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 13:30:09 (UTC)


Marilyn
I can imagine what that trip to durban was like with Winnie. I hope your make up and hair has improved since Ha! Ha!

Any one
Remember who won the dance/rock marathon at the Kitwe Playing Fields in the mid 60's ? Marilyn says Linda might know.

Was anyone at the session mid 60's at Venture Cruisers Boatal on the Zambian side of Cariba the Planets were playing. What a night! We watched all the boats coming from the south side to the session. The next day I caught a tiger fish about 4feet, uh 3, ok 2feet long, I suppose a tiddler compered to you big time fisher persons out there hey?


Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 12:52:54 (UTC)


With the recent posting of recipes here is something that may be of interest. Go to www.biltong.co.uk and click on 'fun stuff' and there are a number of recipes, some of which have been covered.


Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 12:12:31 (UTC)


Cheers Heather.
Comano`s still there. That`s amazing. Say hello for me as I had a couple of honda`s off them as well as the Cooper S.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 11:53:57 (UTC)


David Gray

I have just viewed the photos taken at the Cape Town Caper, and after too many years to remember, I would have recognised you anywhere. Lovely to "see" you again after all this time.

June

June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 07:36:32 (UTC)


Philip Pain


Welcome back - I have missed your stories!


June

June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 07:20:31 (UTC)


Perth Purler Party

Sunday 14th March 2004

Stamford Arms Pub, Scarborough

from midday onwards

If you are will be attending, please contact Marilyn Noall on +61 8 9203 5113 or email mnoall AT fusionoil.com.au

Bookings for lunch can be made at a nearby restaurant





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 06:59:35 (UTC)


Dennis Pigrum, John Bourne, Albert Calderbank, Carl Davies

Best wishes on your birthday





THE CAPE TOWN CAPER

Herewith the photos of the Cape Town Caper which was very ably and effciently organised by Charlie Cartmill.

Well done Charlie !

Hover your mouse over the eagle's eye and you will find details of who is in the photo

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And a flag you will all remember.

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Thanks for bringing it along Skatie.

Present were

Tess and Charles Cartmill (BH)
Theo Mavronikolas (BH)
Ron and Clifford Clibborn-Dyer (Lusaka)
David and Anne Gray (C/Belt)
Mike and Paula Barron (BH)
Ron and Jennifer Sayer (Lusaka)
Rowena (nee Cartmill) and Roger Tiffin (BH)
Tony and Linda Weinand (BH)
Jill Mortimer (nee Deippe (sp?) (BH)
Ian Logan (BH)
Patrick Barron (BH)
Skattie Fourie (C/Belt)
Peter and Stephanie (?) Nupen (C/Belt)
Alf and Felicity Vismer (BH)
Sharon Panicco (BH)
Barry Jackson (C/Belt)and his wife whose name I can't remember (sorry)
The Waldrons whose names I also can't remember (sorry again)
Barry Freed and his wife (BH and C/Belt)




Also have a couple of other photos which I have been struggling to find the time to post:

Geoff Gogle in Swakopmund

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And these photos, sent to me by Bob Allan, and scanned from "Steam Locomotives of Rhodesia Railways" by Rev Edward Hamer. This book is available from Books Of Zimbabwe On-Line

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On the subject of books and railways - when I was in South Africa last week, I bought a book entitled 'The Cape To Cairo Railway' by George Tabor (published by Genta Publications Email gentauk AT yahoo,co.uk ISBN 0-9544847-0-3). It not only covers the railway, but also the river routes and the hotels associated with the railways such as the Victoria Falls Hotel.

KATHY SMITH

That is one of the most important tips for making koeksisters - the temperature of the syrup. This should not only be coolish, it should be freezing.

When (which is not very often) I make koeksisters, I make the syrup the day before and put it in the freezer for at least 24 hours. Then, when frying the koeksisters, I split the syrup into a number of different bowls which I rotate after each batch in the fryer. When the koeksisters are plunged into the syrup, they need to hiss as they draw in the syrup.

I'm also fairly certain that the traditional recipe was a yeast dough rather than using baking powder - it gives a much lighter dough to absorb the syrup. Unfortunately, I don't know what I have done with my recipe book that has my recipe in it. When I find it, I'll let you know.

They store very well in the freezer and can be eaten as soon as you take them out because the syrup does not freeze solid.

JANE TODD

Protests were about an increase in the PAYE rates in our last budget, but it was carried out in a very orderly manner.

ROSSLEY GILLIES

The Comano family still own the Honda agency in Lusaka, and it is probably still in the same place - Kalambo Road (the road going west from northend roundabout)


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 05:36:55 (UTC)


Nicky,

I knew Winnie. We shared a compartment on the train to Duban. Me to boarding school and Winnie to a new life! Can you imagine that journey? She put highlights in my hair, taught me how to use make up, and so many other things. We had a hoot! I wonder where she is now.
Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 02:07:28 (UTC)


Ayub:

I didn't realize one had to pick a quarrel first...

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 01:19:09 (UTC)


Am I the only one who cannot get the "contact" option to work on the GNR tonight??

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 20, 2004 at 01:15:35 (UTC)


Currency conversion:

Try the following:

http://www.xe.com/ucc/



Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 23:49:07 (UTC)


I`d better be careful what I post as the old lady only lives 500 yards away round the corner. She cant klop Bob but she sure as hell will land clouts on me if she finds out what I was really like in the old day`s.
I showed some pics on the site of Lusaka and Kitwe to two of my staff today. One said, how could you grow up in such a s***thole. I actually felt sorry for him especially as his bonus for this month has now gone down the crapper. HA!!

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 22:39:29 (UTC)


Pappy

Thanks for the new tale, Red the cat, was that Mugwamp? That's the name my dad had for it. The copper was probably panicking so much about his gun that he didn't even realise you had run over his foot. Would love to make it for a braai in Glasgow, but it is a helluva long way from Cardiff!

Ross
You're right about the wild stories, the few I have told the office are always met with faces of disbelief, so I just keep them to myself, hence the book writing instead.
The bobotie recipe sounds good, I make mine with mutton mince and it really tastes good, I have had a few British converts to it.

When growing up in Kitwe my brother and I were encouraged to work for our pocket money, so at Christmas we were given carte blanche with the fish pond in the garden, it was partially emptied and all the guppies that had been breeding in their hundreds through the year, were scooped up by the two of us (and the gardeners help), into plastic bags filled with pond water. Dad would have placed an ad in the paper and we would just have to wait for the customers to roll up to the gate, which they did. I think we used to sell them for K5 a bag and we used to make a small fortune, less a percentage for the gardener. Now I just hand pocket money to my two!




Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 21:43:00 (UTC)


Love your story Philip - wish my dad had had a bike!! He too was fond of calling at the Rhokana before coming home - he was a Lion drinker (not Castle) and when he left the cobalt plant they had a winners 'cup' made for him and a wooden base with a plaque which read "To the man who killed the most Lions"!!!

He would've loved this site and all the stories...

I note that you are looking for Ivor and Stan - presumably old schoolfriends? I was in their class at Prince Charles School - so maybe we were in the same class too???

Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 21:08:28 (UTC)


Bob,
Raymonds name is Howard,he turned out to be a very good friend of mine in Zimbabwe,his kids each spent a year with me in Scotland,on a working holiday.Raymond jnr.is living in Liverpoole,Walasey.
We had a great reunion there,thanks to Des Kenny(Crouch).No that was not the time I was talking about,the place you are thinking of was called the Golden Peacock,this time Alberto got away with not a scratch,and there were quite a few Irrate Zambian gents wanting to turn his car over,I`m sure Linda will remember it,as she knew there was something wrong when I walked back,thank goodness they did not want to rip me apart,they just thought that I was some mad mazoongu,thinking he could wade in and take on about thirty of them on his own,ha!ha!
Bob did you have a B.S.A.bantam?
Jill I think your pal liked more than just cars,if I remember correctly,he was also partial to bikes,I remember riding the Kawasaki 500,before he took it for a burn to Rhodesia,ha!Ha!saw him in Zims before I left,married with kids,and still as wild as ever,I think he was partial to driving on the pavement then.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 21:02:39 (UTC)


Hi all,
I am back

To all who sent me private e-mails, thanks!
While catching up on the Great North Road I came across Marilyn's story about her cropper on her bicycle. (By the way didn't you girls starch those petticoats with sugar water?) The story brought back a memory which I would like to share with you.

More growing up in Nkana /Kitwe


When I was about 10 years old, an incident occurred in our family which really changed our family life.
As my father, Cocky Pain never learnt to drive, the mine provided him with a bicycle to get to work and back. Once at work he had a driver and a L.D.V. to drive him around to enable him to do his job. My dad looked after all the burst pipes in Nkana, garden water aswell as household water. I think he knew where every valve and T piece was in the entire township from the pump station at the Kafue right up to the last house.

At this stage in the "Old Mans" life he would go to the Rhokana Club after work and have a few toots with his friends and get home in time for supper. One Saturday he spent a little longer at the pub than usual and left as it was getting dark. As he got on his cycle to leave some of the younger guys in the pub stopped him to have a chat, while they were chatting to him they tied one end of a rope to his bicycle with a lot of slack and which was anchored at the other end. Well after the chat and goodbyes my dad set off for home and got about 10m when the slack came to an end and the Old Man came a real cropper over the handlebars.
Getting to his feet he turned around and the jokers were just about rolling on the ground laughing at their joke.

My Dad took it in his stride, but as he was a very proud man it must have bugged him plenty, because the next morning he took all the grog in the house and threw it away and it was the last time in my fathers life that he ever took a drink of alcohol. He changed to a mix of ginger beer and coke.

One of the interesting things that came out of the episode was that my father always said that while he was drinking he had lots of friends visit when there was grog in the house. These eventually ended in a few that were true friends for life. (My Mom never drank! so yes it did make a change to our family life.)

It is good to be back
Cheers




Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 20:54:27 (UTC)


Two stories in this week's Zambian Sunday Mail

1) "A Mkushi businessman told a local court that he wanted to divorce his wife because through traditional charms, she rendered him sexually useless with other women" .This...."resulted in him being able to make love only to her".

2)"A thirty year old man told a local court in Lusaka that he wanted to divorce his wife because she bit his manhood during a quarrel".

Now from the above two which is more likely to lead a Judge giving a divorce? Any offers?


Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 19:25:00 (UTC)


To Dale (nee Fulton) Slocock and her sister Diane Branch, a heartfelt HUGE THANK YOU for together getting me in touch with Maggie (nee Tremaine) Thomson, and letting me know the whereabouts of Maggie's sons Andrew and Jonathan, after 33 years.
Dale was browsing through the 'looking for:' notice board and picked up my search, knowing that her sister Diane had recently been in touch with Maggie, together they contacted Maggie and told her of my search and Maggie was only too please to allow them to give me her e-mail address. I really am lost for words that they took the time and made the effort, you are both STARS!
Of course not fogetting ALL at the GNR organisation, for without this superb site it never would have happened Thank You All!

Joseph David Solomon [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 17:33:43 (UTC)


Anyone out there know Whinnie Mathieson? she stayed in flats opposite me in Richmond Gardens at the top of the hill of Edinburgh Road. Kitwe. She introduced me to my wife Etta McWhinnie. Been married now for 37years. Whinnie if you are out there you have a lot to answer for.

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 17:11:05 (UTC)


Pappy, 3 things in your story caught my eye. The Toyota 2 cylinders were 800cc and went very well. It seems they were never in SA as I have not seen one here. I remember your one. A couple of nuns had one and brought it to our workshop for a tune up, I test drove it afterwards and it was great fun to drive. My only connection with the Pigalle was after leaving the playing fields one night with the trumpet I got off Pierre Fabel for 5 Kwacha (I still have it). I heard a jazz type band with a trumpeter playing up in the Pigalle so parked on the forecourt of Parklands Service Station and decided to accompany them. I seemed to be out of tune after being at Playing Fields as someone leant out the window and told me to bugger off in a serious voice. Music career over! Alberto ended up near us in Secunda in the 80's running an auto electrical and diesel pump workshop. He got married quite a while ago to a real big afrikaans girl as we went to the wedding in Pretoria. Old man Kelly had married Alberto's mum and we sat with them, his mum had a very straight face and said to us " I jus ope e'se appy". He wasn't and they split quite a few years ago after their Company took a dive. I heard he is working in a motor spares shop in Middelburg, I might run across him one day. I remember him getting a hiding at Edinburgh Service Station one evening from a hooligan called Raymond I think, was that the same time you are speaking of? This guy just attacked Alberto for some reason and gave him quite a few clouts, I think he was a Chingola guy with a couple of brothers who were all known for fighting at the sessions. Does that ring a bell? I see Ross has posted the bobotie recipe, it is a good one and nice with samp, do you remember broken white maize pips you cook for 8 hours? It is still quite popular here and makes a change from rice but takes ages to get soft, I will bring some over. My dughter is planning to come over around June and will be seeing Ross so we will see what we can load in her case. Do you want any suntan oil sent over?

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 15:54:23 (UTC)


Welcome to the GNR Mrs. Gillies:

I have always wondered who the brave woman was that raised those two boys!! (Grin) I could tell you stories about your "little angels" that would shock, amaze and embarrass you. No, not really. They are two really great guys and a part of my childhood years in Kitwe that made my memories so great.

Please post for us here. We have an incredible spread of generations on the GNR and the stories just keep getting better as new members join. Everyone relates to something here and names pop up that you have long forgotten.

I also think it is wonderful that you are embracing the world of technology. It opens up a new world for all of us.

Enjoy and participate with us!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 15:31:02 (UTC)


By the way, Let`s see a post Mum, now your`e a member of this hallowed place.

Bob,
Got your email, will write shortly.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 14:36:37 (UTC)


Jill,
Talking of chases, Roy Mayoss and I were in my cooper S one night in Lusaka when I overtook a cop landrover. Roy decided to throw a couple of balls of mealie meal he had with him, (dont ask) at the cop`s driving door as we passed. that`s it, chase on. We legged it towards the cenotaph. By the time we got there we had 3 cops L/rovers on our tail. They chased us twice round the cenotaph with Roy hanging out the window giving two`s ups. He had this mysterious belief in my ability to escape any situation. Foolish man. Anyway, we headed off to the city centre and lost them by bombing down the dirt section in the middle of Cairo rd. Even Af`s cant see through dust clouds.
I bought that Cooper S from Carlo Comano. His Dad had the Honda motorcycle agency in Lusaka. Anyone remember it?

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 14:33:05 (UTC)


Ayub

If you are ever wanting to convert currencys try http://forium.money.msn.co.uk/currency/uk/currency_converter.html

You can enter the amount and the two currencys and it will work it out at the current rate

Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 09:17:31 (UTC)


Northerners in Perth:

I'm having difficulty adding an event so here are the details.

Sunday 14th March.
Meet at the Stamford Arms Pub in Scarborough
Noon - 3.00pm
If anyone would like to go to a nearby restaurant for lunch please let me know and I'll make the bookings.
Email: mnoall@fusionoil.com.au.
Home telephone +61 8 9203 5113
Bring photos from Northern days.
Hope to see lots of you there.
Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 02:10:00 (UTC)


Ayub:
The Universal Currency Converter for to-day gives an exchange rate of : US$1 = 4750 ZKw
Therefore 3 billion Kw per month would amount to:
US$3000 million divided by 4750
or........US$0.63 million per month
or........US$ 630 000 per month !!
A lot in anyone's pay packet!

If the salary were 3 million Kw (not billion), it would equate to:
a mere US$ 630 per month
...not much more than what we received back in the sixties!

Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, February 19, 2004 at 01:30:02 (UTC)


Robert
Thanks for the info. saw your Rhodwins photo, just missed the foofy slide from the ant hill on the left. The water looks a lot cleaner then I remember it.
Nice shorts, any one for tennis?Ha! Ha!
Cheers. Nicky.


Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 22:24:28 (UTC)


According to the Human Resourses Manager ( Mr Deller)of Barclays Bank, Lusaka, the salaries of five expatriate workers at the same bank amounted to 3 billion Kwacha a month during the year 2000!!!..now can someone on this board who is good at maths work out how much this is in Pounds or dollars.... seems mind-boggling or has the Kwacha sunk.........!

Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 21:36:07 (UTC)


Kathy,
As far as I know - you are actually correct - everyone else is calling them koeksusters because 'suster' is the Afrikaans word for 'sister', but koeksister is the correct spelling of the dish. I think I am correct because - not so long ago there was a whole talk show dedicated to the subject on Radio 702 - and the outcome was that koeksister as opposed to koeksuster is actually correct. I have my WWII helmet firmly on my head.
Ross and Pappy - you may be surprised what people in your adopted neighbourhoods got up to. I always used to think that people wouldn't believe half of what I got up to - but I have been surprised - youngsters were having a wild time all over the place - but we did have more legal scrapes in Zambia (particularly my boyfriend at the time!) I can remember a few car chases - and Vanishing Point was my BEST movie! (Wonder why?)
Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 21:10:05 (UTC)


As promised since we`ve all apparently got the munchies at the moment,



BOBOTIE
1 lb very lean mince.
1 Egg.
1 cup milk 1 tablespoon Apricot jam.
1 tablespoon Chutney. (Mrs Ball`s is best)
A few Bay leaves to lay on top before putting in the oven.
Small handful of Sultanas
Curry powder to taste. (Medium)
½ teaspoon salt or to taste.

Two Med Onions sliced into rings. Not diced!!!
1 slice white bread
1 teaspoon Sugar

Soak the bread in just enough milk to saturate it and chop it finely. Set aside.
Fry onions gently in a little oil till transparent, not browned. Add curry powder and fry gently for 2-3 minutes.
Set aside.
Put mince in pan and fry till all red is gone. Drain any fat if you need to.
Add curried onions to mince, plus jam, chutney, sultanas, sugar and salt.
Stir well and add the chopped up bread/milk mixture and mix well in.
Turn out into an ovenproof dish so mixture is about 1 ½ “ deep. Mix egg with the rest of the milk, (about ½ a cup) and pour this onto the top of the Bobotie evenly till just covered. Place oven proof dish in a tray and put a little water in the tray. Arrange 3 or 4 Bay leaves on top of the milk mixture and bake in the oven at Gas mark 6 for 20-25 mins. Serve cold or hot wiv chips.


Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 21:07:30 (UTC)


Pappy,
How could we not remember you or linda even.
I listen every day to my staff talking about their escapades and tales of bravado. I never talk about mine in Af as I simply would not be believed. They exist. We lived. Simple as that.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 19:37:29 (UTC)


Barbara,
just sitting here having a few rum and red bulls,yes Blackie rum not whiskey,and got to thinking I remember one day when Tony Boossey and myself were travelling to Ndola to start work early in the morning and we came across a road block at Luanshya turn off,when we were stopped by a police man,as you do and we had been smoking in the van (one of those two cylender Toyota vans with Red the Cat painted on the side with red eyes)as you do, when he enquired as to where we were going,anyway after we told him,we drove over his foot and headed on our way.when we got to the next road block,all hell broke loose,because when they looked in the back of the van they found a rifle.They hauld us out of the van and were ready to apply instant justice when they got a phone call from the previous road block to tell them that they had left their rifle in our van.A stroke of luck.needles to say we drove over his foot as well,Ha!ha!life is a gas.
Linda can you remember the day when we were coming home from the disco and we got to the traffic lights nesr Kantanta street,when Alberto was attacked buy a group of unhappy revellers from the Pigalle night club,and we pulled up in your escort,I think Penny was with us,and I jumped out to the rescue,thinking everyone else was behind me,except with your car being only a two door I slamed the door behind me,and went charging in,and then came walking back slowly with a cut eye while Alberto got away.Then when we got to the garrage he laughed at me for being a mug.Was I mad or what.Ha!ha!those were the days.I must sign off now as I might get carried away and spend the next few hours just going back over old times,because when I think of it not many people remember me but I was only one of the few people besides Linda that was involved with everyone in Kitwe,except I think I did the whole of Zambia,Lusaka was my second home

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 17:43:54 (UTC)


Well, here it is folks! Recipe for koeksisters (why is everyone else spelling it 'koeksusters'???? - Am I wrong?)

Think we're all old enough to remember 'ozs' - my niece was tickled pink when she referred to my cookbooks and asked me 'what are ozzies and lbs's?' (Kids today,uh!....)

You need to make the syrup first as this has to be cool(ish) before dropping in the k/s. So for syrup:-

1 lb sugar
1/2 pint water
1 stick cinnamon.
Put all in heavy based pan and stir over gentle heat till sugar dissolved. Bring to boil and boil rapidly for 1 minute.

8 ozs plain flour
2 teasp baking powder
pinch salt
1 oz marg
1 egg
4 - 5 Tablsp milk

Rub marg into flour and salt. Add baking powder, well beaten egg and enough milk to form rolling dough. Roll out to 12 inch rectangle x 1/4 inch thick and from this cut strips 3 x 1 inch. Cut each strip into 3 lengthways NOT cutting completely through. Pinch together at (joined) end and plait remainder of strip - pinching end together.
Fry a few at a time in oil heated to approx 375deg C (Do people REALLY check this??) until golden brown. Drain and dip at once into syrup (this is the important bit). Put on rack to cool and enjoy!

Recipe also says they keep well in a tin but must be kept apart - cannot verify this as I've never had to store any....


Johnny - You would be most welcome to visit this hillbilly if you're ever down this way!

Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 17:32:33 (UTC)


Bob,
Your bread recipe sounds delish - I shall make it on my next bush trip in May. Thanks too for the phone call - it's always great to make new friends, and maybe we'll remember one another when do get to meet as you know a lot of people that I know.

Off to make fillet steak with a cream, peppercorn and mushroom sauce in my old cast iron frying pan.... I love food and cooking!

Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 17:13:04 (UTC)


Jane, The potjie, which means 'little pot' in Afrikaans travelled hung on the ox wagons of the voortrekkers many decades ago, so it is a very old traditional cooking pot here, also adds a rustic atmosphere to the table. Being thick cast iron it holds the heat well so makes a very good cooking and serving item for a leisurely meal without the contents getting cold too quickly. The giraffe in question was shot on contract by a friend and after skin, head, legs and insides were removed there was 690 Kg of useable meat. My friend makes boerewors, steaks and biltong with the meat and recovers the cost price plus his hunting fees and petrol etc from the sale of the resulting products. It is not hunting as I see it, as giraffe are curious and not difficult to get close to unfortunately, more of a commercial 'bag' for profit. Some people also bag Zebra, mainly for the skin although the meat is edible, a bit 'sweet' and not something I would go for, too much like a horse! Elephant and hippo are both butchered by africans in some countries although the hippo biltong I tried once reminded me of lifebuoy soap. The potjies are sold from 1/4 size, 1/2 size. No.1 , 2 , 3 etc up to those 30+ where you need a shovel to stir the stuff in it. The 1/4 size are very cute and we use them to serve a 'meal for 2' like on a valentines dinner where a couple share the goodies in it and it is a good size for 2. I use my 1/2 size now and then if it is just my wife and I , but want leftovers to micro at work the next day! We also bake bread in the flat bottomed ones when hunting. You use one 500g packet of flour , one Castle beer and a good pinch of salt. Add onions, herbs, cheese, olives or mushrooms etc for a different bread, oil the pot , put the dough in and sit the pot over a COOL fire but heap some coals on the lid of the pot to brown the top. If you get the balance right you get a nice crusty top and bottom with soft bread in the middle, slice up, add great gobs of butter and youre there! Now I'm starved, I'm going home Bi.

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 15:39:42 (UTC)


To Gill, Kathy and all who are coming out with recipes.
Many Many thanks. I love cooking and in fact do all the grub in the house so all will be tried. Yum!!

I have a recipe of Bob`s for Bobotie which is simple and yummy. I`ll post it tonight if I can as it`s well worth trying. If you like it all accolades to Bob. If you hate it all accolades to Bob. He He.

Hartley, nice to hear from you. Hope to meet some time. I should be seeing your Broth Dave in the near future.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 15:31:00 (UTC)



Dear Gillian Many Happy Returns Of The Day sorry I canot be there to celebrate it with you, but on reflection I may live a little longer if I miss it, Tons of love Johnny.xx
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 15:26:50 (UTC)


Helen

The photos are at www.isilwana.net/zambiatrip so if you just cut and paste this into your browser you should be OK.

Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 15:20:33 (UTC)


Talking about Samoosas...anyone wanting the authentic ones (meat or veg/ all home made)...and lives near Manchester please mail me...can sort you out with some!
Also all on the board have written the correct name..unlike the English who write it..Samosa...and pronounce it Samowsa!!

Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 14:24:42 (UTC)


This message is for Hartley or anyone who knows how to get to the photos of Lusaka Convent he posted last year. I tried the archives for November and October and can't locate his message that had the link!

I tried the one you gave:

convent/lusaka photos//www.isilwana.net/zambia trip/

but it won't work.
I appreciate your help, Hartley!

Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 14:06:58 (UTC)


I`m back,had a virus in my computor that I think got sent to me from Zimbabwe.
You can`t get a proper samoosa in the U.K. I`ve tried.
Ross they have lekker vors and tong in Glasgow,at a place called Africa,a guy by the name of Soli owns it.We get Mrs.Balls chutney,mealie pup,squash,massive prawns,ox tail etc..,we must get together when Bob comes over with the pot,and go a really Braii.Barbara you should come too.
Sorry took so long to connect,I was DOOMED.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 13:08:37 (UTC)


Hello Peeps
Tanks our Heather for the bidet wishes - have a case of the moobs (or maybe boobs, seem to have migrated south, along with everything else).

Rossley, Barbara - guess what - have the recipe for boerewors, biltong and koeksusters as supplied by my sister out of a South African cook book - will send privately. Does it work? You tell me - I take one look at a kitchen and switch into my alter ego, it is unfortunate but both of us HATE cooking. I do have a witness to this fact, ask Uncle Johhny Green about the poached egg episode, on second thoughts, don't. Will just bounce the results over to you.

Doug G - wee story, Bernice Renaud (daughter of Norman) - she moved to SA when I was still in Muf, we were great friends, I was not the best letter writer (understatement of the century) anyway, Bless her, wrote a letter to my folks asking after me (I was still in Muf for God's sake). Anyway, long story short - got in touch again? How? Look no further than the GNR. I had forgotten that Graham Pearson (Bags), we used to go swimming training together many, many moons ago was Bernice's cousin!!!!! It was his wife that contacted me (Gill Wright from Muf) courtesy of the GNR. Love you guys, thanks.

On a cryptic note - Woolridge Boyton aka "Squeaker", keep them coming, luv ya (no, am no using the GNR as a dating agency!).

Seriously, I love this website and can only imagine how much thought and dedication goes into it. LUV YOUSE.

TTFN
Gill

ps: It is cold outside (got em back!!).











Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 11:40:22 (UTC)


Heather,

What are these protests for/against/about?

All steamtrain enthusiasts,

From the Feb. Good Book Guide :

'In the Tracks of the Last Steam Trains' - Cyril le Tourneur d'Ison

For your information

Hachett YOH 529

email ; - enquiries@gbgdirect.com

Jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 11:22:54 (UTC)


Heather,

What are these protests for/against/about?

All steamtrain enthusiasts,

From the Feb. Good Book Guide :

'In the Tracks of the Last Steam Trains' - Cyril le Tourneur d'Ison

For your information

Hachett YOH 529

email ; - enquiries@gbgdirect.com

Jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 11:22:26 (UTC)


Heather
I am looking forward to your photos of Mufulira.

Pat
Your mention of samoosa's made me think about our enviroment minister named Valli Musa. What a shame his Mom didn't call him Sam. Then there is our education minister with the unfortunate name of Dullah Omar. His brother Brytah should have got the job :-)

Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 09:36:35 (UTC)


Potjie Recipe

My Uncle Len Vaughan was in charge of the southern section of the Kafue National Park in the 1950s and he never went anywhere without his three legged pot filled with soup. That soup had an out of this world taste!

I have a No 3 Falkirk pot and have a sure fire recipe which I have adapted for a crock pot (very slow cooking as it is rated at 80 watts on 'low' and 120 watts on 'high'.) This is one of the best potjie recipes I have come across and I have been meaning to share it with you since Christmas time but haven't had the time. The current spate of postings on potjies has galvanized me into action!

Creamy Potjie

Ingredients:

Herbs/spices
-Peri-peri oil (or two tablespoons of olive oil from a 500 ml bottle in which hot chillies have been soaking for several days!)
-Salt and pepper (black and white) to taste.
-Garlic (4 large cloves chopped finely.)
-Rosemary (small handfull of fresh rosemary chopped finely.)
-Chilli (2 small red chillies chopped finely) {be afraid - remove seeds Amigo!!!}
-Ginger (Thumb sized piece ground/grated.)
-Masala (Or 2 tablespoons of medium curry powder.)

Vegetables
-Onions (2 large onions chopped finely.)
-Whole baby potatoes (1 lb. or ½ kg whole and unpeeled)
-Butternut (Medium to large - cut into 1 inch cubes.)
-Pineapple (1lb or 400 g tin drained.)
-Carrots (1 lb. or ½ kg peeled and chopped.)
-Mushrooms (1 lb or 400 g cut into large slices.)
-Broccoli and cauliflower (One handful of each chopped into medium pieces.)
-Baby corn (½ lb or 250 g cut in half - optional)
-Green and Red peppers (one of each cut into strips.)

Meat
-Bacon pieces (1 lb or 500 g cut into squares.)
-Beef (2½ lb or 1 kg of boneless goulash beef cut into bite sized pieces.)

Sauce
-Red wine (½ bottle or 375 ml of reasonably cheap but drinkable wine preferably from Durbanville area!!!)
-Soy sauce (2 tablespoons.)
-Worcester sauce (2 tablespoons.)
-Chutney (½ cup or 175 ml of Mother Ball's chutney!)
-Cream (1 cup or 250 ml of fresh cream.)

Method:

An hour or so beforehand chop meat, coat with salt, black pepper and the juice of a lemon.

Rub some garlic on inside of pot, add oil, brown onions and remove. Add more oil if necessary, add garlic, rosemary and chilli. Mix and add bacon and brown. Add meat and brown. Add ginger and Masala - mix and replace onions. Add salt and white pepper. Add red wine and mix. (If using a crock pot then the browning of the onion, bacon and meat must be done in a frying pan and then added to the crock pot before adding the salt, pepper and wine.)

Layer potato, butternut, pineapple, carrots, mushrooms, broccoli and cauliflower, baby corn and peppers. Add black pepper, soy and Worcester sauce. Close lid and allow it to do its stuff over gentle coals (Zambian charcoal?) for ± 60 minutes. [Or 3 hours in a crock pot on high heat.]

Add chutney, mix and allow it to do its stuff again - cook for another ± 60 minutes [Or another 3 hours in the crock pot.]

Finally add the cream, mix and allow to cook for a little while longer in the potjie......yummy!

NOTE: If you are using a crock pot you will probably find that there is excess liquid so before you add the cream, remove as much liquid as you can (probably 3 cups or 750 ml) and place in a saucepan - boil to reduce to half its volume then stir in the cream and return to the main mixture in the crock pot. Mix and allow to cook for another hour.

Serve with rice and/or fresh bread and butter.

Enjoy.

Cheers and good cooking!!!

David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 08:17:47 (UTC)


Elizabeth Halliday, Ian Michael, Sheilagh Cangley, Christine Sheard, Colin Best, Ursula Dare

Best wishes on your birthday





Mufulirans

Some of you may remember that in September last year, John Costopolous posted a message to say that he was moving house and had a pile of Mufulira Magazines going begging.

I jumped around and my aunt in Durban jumped around and collected these magazines from John and yesterday I received the first few copies which a friend brought back for me. The balance will be brought up in due course when either myself or others from Lusaka visit Durban.

I hope to get around to scanning some of these magazines during the next few weeks for posting on the board. But right now, I would like to thank John very much for letting us have these magazines.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 06:26:47 (UTC)


Talking of hillbillies brings up mental pictures of rickety outhouses and that reminds me of bush camp showers and conveniences which can be things of beauty affording respite to both body and soul.

The best ones I ever encountered were not in Zambia but were in Cameroon way out into the bush on the edge of gorilla country. They were both three sided of stick and grass construction. The fourth sides which faced down a hill across a gorgeous valley were left open so the user could feel the breeze and and contemplate the view.

In this same bush camp we had a cook who did the most wonderful French cooking. However we learned very early on that one of us had to pour any necessary wine into the pot with the poulet keeping a firm hand on the bottle. Otherwise we would have a "cook au vin". However once the meal was over and cleaned up we often sent him on his way home with a little liquid cheer.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 05:16:51 (UTC)


All Perth GNR Members:

Please visit the 'Events' page for some information on the 'Perth Purler Party'.

We'll see if this small get-together is successful and then progress to Arthur's 'Perth Python Party'.

We can celebrate Sue and Paudie's marriage then!

Marilyn

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 04:17:30 (UTC)


Hi Nicky:

As June said, the archives are rich in old memories and even photos.
For canoeing at Rhodwin (eg) see my photo in the archives on 1st July 2002.
(There is also a photo of me in my Saturday afternoon tennis gear, back around 1967-1968).
Cheers
Bob Allan
Melbourne

Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 02:21:17 (UTC)


Talking Potties potjies etc, can anyone in Europe find a descent Samosa as in cow mow or veggie, not souramoosa ( give me the right pronoucation) as they seem to call it here. Pat

Pat McEnery [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bromley, Kent, England
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 22:55:17 (UTC)


Hi Folks...
Tired of penguin baseball?
try this one.

http://games.apropo.ro/pingutarget.html

It's not too hard once you get the hang of it.
Neil

Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 21:23:12 (UTC)


I've been slack again, so here are the birthday wishes that I missed whilst I was away:

Zoe Robinson, Sally Erotocritou, Rachel Mounsey, Brian Mulenga, Hamish Kirk, Monica Rielly, Paul Bell

Best wishes on your birthday

and big wishes to Ron Sayer for his 60th birthday.

For today, best wishes to Gill Main, Peter Priem, Sue Heaton, Lorraine Alexander, Joe Joe Wesson, David Swan





Rossley Gillies

There are some very important tips that you need to know when making koeksusters, like the temperature of the syrup etc. I would give you my grandmother's recipe, but it's a bit difficult because nothing was ever measured; it is a handful of this, a shake of that, a bit of that etc so you have to watch someone making them to know what quantities to use.

Jane Todd

The cast iron pots are called 'three-legged pots'

Northerners

Stand by for the photos of the Caper in Cape Town held on Friday evening. I hope to post the photos tomorrow. However, as there will be mass protests against Government tomorrow, they might be delayed a day or two.


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 21:15:00 (UTC)


Jane,
A potjie pot is a three-legged cast iron pot for cooking stew, pap (sadza), beans over the open fire.

Bobby, We must have a cook-off sometime - your Rotary Club against mine - I do a mean buffalo tail curry in the potjie!

Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 21:11:23 (UTC)


Bob,

With Potjie do you mean the cast iron 'kaffir pot' (am I allowed to use this name?) My pot was so heavy that we even put it into a prize draw of 'guess the weight. I did about 4 christmases with the turkey and the works over a malasha braai in the middle of nowhere, well usually somewhere near a waterfall or river, and also once a spurwing goose. All these take a good amount of dedication and time, but a mosi in hand helps. I have done oxtail a few times too, but never a giraffe. I did not know that these animals were used for eating, where did you get it from? Like Zebra. Was everything living on four legs on hooves considered njama?

Jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 16:27:52 (UTC)



Kathy I did not know we had hill billies in the uk if my buddy Tina ever gets over again from Texas I must bring her over there she will certainly feel at home, also Linda, but her trailer is a deluxe model, Regards to ya all, Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 16:24:58 (UTC)


Tina, some Spike stuff for you:

A World War 2 Nose
My nose, my nose lived dangerously,
It's courage was no stunt!
And during the war in Germany,
It was always out in front!

Yet when the battle was o'er
And we'd defeated the Hun,
Suddenly, for no reason,
My nose started to run.


The human face is something that,
Hangs downwards from a thing called hat,
And when the hat is raised, it's said
It shows a hairy thing called head,
Now I would rather cover face,
And strike it full on with a mace.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,
Get it out with Optrex.

My happily splashing daughter,
Said "my legs are getting shorter" !
Well she must be dim,
To go for a swim,
In that shark infested water.

Eileen Carrol,
Had a barrel,
Filled with writhing eels,
And just for fun,
She swallowed one,
Now she knows how it feels.


I see boerewors is on the go now. We obviously have endless choice of this. It used to be bought by the metre for weekend braais but the cholesterol awareness over the years seems to have tempered people a bit. Some is nice and meaty, some very fatty, some is overspiced and gives you terrible acid, and some is like kippers, it repeats on you for days, still there is nothing like a good fresh braaid wors roll in winter! The search for the kind that agrees with you takes you through supermarkets, butcheries, farm stalls where everyone claims theirs is the best!

Is anyone in UK using a potjie? I use mine all the time for numerous cook ups. Perhaps an unusual item I did was giraffe tail which took 13 hours to tenderise. The following year it was giraffe neck, (not the same giraffe, and no, I did not shoot it!) a surprising amount of meat with very low fat like most game, a good bottle of Tassenberg Red saw it right. Coq Au Vin done in a potjie comes out far better that on a normal stove, some people think mine is guinea fowl as the chicken turns that colour with Merlot or Pinotage.
Ross I am bringing a pot over in December!


Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 15:37:17 (UTC)


Hi Everyone!

Koeksister recipe to follow shortly - when you've all stopped drooling! Or perhaps I should say when I've stopped drooling into my computer....yuk -the keys are all sticky........

Rossley - the butcher is the Scotch Produce Centre in Marple (if you're ever up this way) but the 'vors tends to be a bit on the skinny side....taste is ok though. May be nicer from the www.biltong site.

Johnny - geography lesson!!

High Peak is a bit of Derbyshire that was hived off and is South West of Manchester. Not sure if it is a county in its own right or whether we are still classed as Derbyshire. Beautiful hilly countryside - the start of the Pennines and, where we are we still have well water and sceptic tank - makes us feel quite rural. Ooo-aaargh.



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 15:09:13 (UTC)


Kathy
I would love the koeksuster recipe, I have tried to make it from a recipe I have but it never comes out right.

Pappy
You have gone all silent lately. There is a chance my dad may come over in May to do some work. Haven't seen him since 1999, so really hope he can make it. There is a new grandchild for him to meet. Hoping to hear some more stories from you shortly.

Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 14:10:12 (UTC)


Welcome to the GNR "Butchie". Oh, sorry.. I forgot you are all grown up now. (grin) If anyone wants to know any deep dark secrets about Mr. Anderson, I'm your woman to ask. Ahh, I see the blackmail money pouring in already. Actually, since we are such old friends, your past is safe with me, sort of..

Whatever did you do with that Volvo sportscar that you burned up the whole of the country with?

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 13:17:44 (UTC)


Hi June
Thanks for the info. Sad to say can't get into Achives 2001.
Seen photo of pontoon, when was it taken?

Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 11:25:12 (UTC)


Ross

I know it has been given a number of times before, this is for all the new members in the UK.

For most things South African look at www.biltong.co.uk. Their mail order service is very good.

Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 09:44:08 (UTC)


Hi Kathy,
Yes, you are right. Beit Street overlooked the bush and the Kitwe Stream, which was dammed by CPC to create a fish farm. This worked well until an infestation of worms affected the fish and stopped production. The fish ponds remained. This is very likely what the photo shows,
Regards, Mike

Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 07:41:19 (UTC)



Kathy where is High Peak I have never heard of it, Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 06:58:22 (UTC)


Craig,

Here is an article that might interest you, Vancouver is rated among the best cities in the world to live in, and Harare (no surprise) among the worst:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200402160933.html



Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 01:45:37 (UTC)



Dear Tina what is your next venture is it selling the Brooklyn Bridge? Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 23:49:04 (UTC)


Shhhhhh Johnny! This is making me ridiculously good piece work money, in good company, keeping me on the clock over lunch, and buying me lunches too.

(And naturally the powers that be decree yea verily it must be of deep complexity with the uploading and downloading of data on laptops in transit and the use of expensive engineers).

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 21:17:55 (UTC)


Kathy Smith,
Real Boerewors???? Where, where, where? Please give me a contact number or address as we come to the high peaks on weekends occasionally, although I`d make the trip for the king of sausage alone. I would`nt mind the koeksisters recipe. I have one from Willards cook book but it never comes out right.
Cheers

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 19:36:55 (UTC)



Dear Tina did you realise that if you rang some one on your mobile 200 miles away and they answer that your mobile is working fine?Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 19:26:22 (UTC)


Bridget from Blackburn,

Apologies.

It was only when I saw your name on the Message Board that I realised I hadn't replied to your mail which you sent me.

I trust the email I have now sent resolves the situation.


David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 18:24:43 (UTC)


Hi Y'all

Well, Nicky, I believe Dickie Loader is still around - Trish may have more detail when we see you next few weeks!

Malcolm Rens!
Didn't the Uys' have a son Peter? He was in my class at Freddie Knapp... any idea where he is now and what he's doing?

David - thanks for the great pikkies.... made me really want to go back and see the old place for myself. We lived on Beit Street (No.10) and there was just bush opposite our house as Beit St only had houses down one side of the road. My (ex) boetie-in-law took some photos a few years ago and there now seems to be a lake - well, some muddy water - on the other side...can anyone verify this? Our poor little Rhodesian ridgeback is buried over there as well....

Got a recipe for koeksisters if anyone is interested...AND we can buy boerevors(sp?) from a local butcher! Creating my own 'little Kitwe' around me since joining GNR!! Is this a good idea????


Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 17:28:37 (UTC)


Bridget

Spent today finishing the mobile phone testing instead of Saturday. Drove about 200 miles across from Dallas to north of Fort Worth round various neighbourhoods and back again. While one was naturally careful it was very pleasant hazard-free driving. The roads were completely free even of residual snow and ice and it was about 20 degrees above freezing, very strong sunshine and just a pleasant light bite in the wind. Yesterday you wouldn't have wanted to be out on wheels and everyone was making snowmen. Today the snowmen had become moguls for skiiers surrounded by folorn heaps of snowman eyes, noses and stick arms.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 05:12:58 (UTC)




Hi Nicky.

If you are able: Go into the Archives of the past few years, you will find we have discussed some of those topics many times, particularly year 2001 was a good year for Nkana memories and pictures.
As recently as last month I made mention of the pontoon crossing the Kafue River below the pump station....Enjoy.

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Monday, February 16, 2004 at 02:53:14 (UTC)


Hi folks
Can anyone remember:
The Ice Follies that came to the Nkana rugby fields in mid 60's? big chunks of ice were used for the ice rink.What a novelty for us!

Micky most and his band the Playboys playing at the OB Bennett Hall?

Dickie loadder and the Blue Jeans playing at the Astra?

The pump station at the end of Central Street? If you follow the road to the left of the pump station on a dirt track you will get to a pontoon that took you across the Kafue to our farm on the left. Does anyone know if the crossing is still there? I left in 1968 my parents left in 1978.

What about carols by candle light at Kent Park?

Swimming at the Rhokana swimming pool at night?

Rhodwins on Sundays? playing on the fuefy slide, the big tube, the cannoes and of course the Brais.

Memories that will never be forgotten.
Thanks for the pics Dave I went to F.Knapp and Kitwe Boys High.Great to see the old places again.
They sure aren't like they used to be, but as they say, nothing that a bit of paint wouldn't fix.

Come on folks jog our memories because thats all we have now.

Cheers.
Nicky kontou.




Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 20:11:34 (UTC)


Hi Bridget:

You hit the nail on the head with the weather. Quite different to anywhere else with its extremes.

In the words of a typical "cheerio" from Texas - "Have a nice day and y'all come back and see us!"

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 15:29:46 (UTC)


Linda and Tina,

Interesting to read about your weird weather in Texas. I used to work for the UK branch of Pier 1 which had it's head office in Fortworth. I travelled there for various meetings and range reviews frequently throughout the year. One trip in 1995 or 96 I arrived just after a terrific hail storm. Now being born and brought up in Zambia I know what "real" hail is - but nothing had prepared me for what I saw in the aftermath of that storm!!
80% of the cars driving around were dented; windows all around Fortworth were boarded up; fields were still flooded with dead cattle piled up in the corners waiting for diposal! My counterpart at Pier 1 took me for a drive to show me how the storm had made a mile long path through the countryside. I could clearly see how houses, cars, roads, trees etc.. in the storm's path were completely obliterated - then a few feet away it was as if nothing had happened! My collegue was actually at a musical recital in a park when the storm hit - there was no warning, just mayhem. He was seperated from his wife and daughter as he had gone back to the car to get an umbrella! He sheltered in the car and ended up in hospital with multiple cuts and bruises and a couple of broken bones. It was several hours before he was reunitied with his family - who were thankfully unharmed. His car was completely written off and he could not believe the devastation that had been caused in no more than a few minutes - with brilliant sunshine returning as if nothing at all had happened! Luckily also, his house was still standing although a neighbour's property, only a quarter of a mile up the road was destroyed by a fire and most of their cattle and horses were killed.
It certainly put the "extreme" (ha ha) weather that we could be subjected to into context!!
Apart from that I quite liked Texas - the people were a bit at odds with us. They were all TERRIBLY enthusiastic about EVERYTHING and found us Brits a bit "reserved". Visiting over the "holidays" was always my fovourite as I never tired of hearing "y'all have a happy holiday now". Still brings a smile to my face now!

Bridget

Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sunday, February 15, 2004 at 12:32:42 (UTC)


Hi ALL !
Just a BIG thanks to David Gray & Denise Horton for the pics of Kitwe.
We stayed in 38 Kantanta(across the rd frm the Little Theatre) & we left when I was 11.
Your pics have had me on one incredable emotional RoLlErCoAsTeR.
The most amazing sensation came over me as Dave's
shot from the mine club rolled out ....my Gran worked at the Mine mess for Ernie Rodgers! It was like I opened an old diary......but with no days on the pages, sundowners..rugby, baseball,softball.Riding our bikes through the cemetry to Central street then up over the level crossing where my Folks great friends Maanie & Joey Uys where tragically killed.And standing at that same crossing watching the Boswell Circus train clatter by.
Any way thanks for total recall.
Take-care ALL
Malcolm

Malcolm Rens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, Kwa Zulu Natal, South Africa
Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 21:27:44 (UTC)


Norman:

A little geography that may be of interest to you. Hobbs, New Mexico is as far from Austin as London is from Glasgow. Texas is about 825 miles from where New Mexico, Oklahoma and Colorado meet at the tip of Texas, down to Brownsville at the tail where it borders with Mexico. About as big as Iraq. No wonder it was like looking for a needle in a haystack over there... Weather wise, we can experience 2 feet of snow up in the Amarillo panhandle area and have 85 degree weather in Brownsville, on the same day. They talk about not blinking in Central Texas in case you miss the change in weather. We went from snow this morning to 55 degrees and sunshine as I write at 2:00pm today. 3 hours ago I was watching two kids making snow angels in the snow across the road and having a snowball fight, and now there is not a trace of snow anywhere in sight.

Having said that, I would still prefer to be sitting on the banks of the Kafue, on a hot summer day in October!



Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 20:03:23 (UTC)


Talking about snow in Austin, Texas !

Our son, Samuel Kenward, is attending New Mexico Junior College, HOBBS, New Mexico. U.S.A.

Last night, when on MSN, he mentioned about it snowing there! At first we thought he was having us on. However, he went on and on about it and how 'frikking' cold it was. Now that we have heard about it snowing in Austin, which isn't too far away, we just have to believe him.

We are left wondering now as to whether or not he will be using 'fluorecent' balls when playing golf ?

Norman Kenward ex Muf.

Norman Kenward [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 17:16:45 (UTC)


Ahem

On re-reading my previous message... I don't mean I actually remember being there when it was Lusaka's Kraal unless it was in a previous incarnation .. or a rose or even a flame lily.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 16:21:34 (UTC)


Linda

Yes, snow in Austin is sort of like Heather's birthday only less frequent.

Snow in Zambia. I remember in Lusaka's Kraal railway stop, later known as Lusaka, I saw more really heavy frost. I know it was very unsettling to our Africans. I brought Martin our gardener into the house to our snow encrusted ice compartment and we both stood there scraping bits of snow out of the ice compartment and letting it melt on our fingers while I explained to him how snow happened.

I should be driving today. My back up job is now driving for telephone engineers while they test mobile phone reception. Instead, I have put out extra tucker for the birds and am contemplating how picturesque they look in the snow freezing their little feet off.



Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 15:36:37 (UTC)


Hey, Tina! Do you have a foshel I can borrow?? Don't know about you, but we have snow in (usually) hot, sunny Austin. I think it has snowed in Austin about 4 times in the 27 years I have been here. All I need now is a bag of Zambian charcoal and I will have the best of both worlds.

I remember one time in Zambia, there was a ground frost that was a little heavier than normal and the 3" headlines of the Times of Zambia said, "SNOW IN ZAMBIA!!" People here still don't believe that I never owned a jacket in Africa. The heat is blasting all day long at my office, with everyone bundled up in layers, and I am in there in short sleeves with a fan at my desk. I joke with them that I have Kafue water in my veins instead of blood.

Happy Valentine's Day, folks!



Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 14:17:47 (UTC)


Christopher

You're dead right. I have, in the past, suggested we start up a fund called "paint to Zambia". Everything would look so much more cared for with a lick of paint. I guess if you put it in context though, money could be put to better causes but it would do some good to see things looking a little brighter - bit like using cosmetics really. A little bit of paint makes us all look better - particularly at my age sob sob!!!

To all my Valentines (i.e. Johnny and Tina)

Thanks you for my cards. I love you all (both) xxx

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 21:07:35 (UTC)


Couple of quick one`s towards the weekend giggle.

A father asked his son, Little Johnny, if he knew about the birds and the bees.
"I don't want to know!" Little Johnny said, bursting into tears.

Confused, his father asked Little Johnny what was wrong.

"Oh Pop," Johnny sobbed, "For me there was no Santa Claus at age six, no Easter Bunny at seven, and no Tooth Fairy at eight. And if you're telling me now that grownups don't really have sex, I've got nothing left to believe in!"


What do you call a one legged lady?
Eileen! Boom Boom

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 18:37:16 (UTC)


Thankyou David and Arthur for all the Pictures. You sure brought back my teenage years. I kind of wonder what would it cost to paint all those run down buildings. Baie Dankie.

Chis


Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 17:00:15 (UTC)


Re Valentines day, Ladies it is leap year,u must ask the men to be your Valentine. To David Gray, thankyou for the great photos, my wife and i thank you. Otto and Jill Bousema. Enjoy Valentine day.

Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 15:54:00 (UTC)


Hi David and Arthur...

Thank you both for putting the photos on the board.

Sure brings back memories even though some of the buildings seem run down. Then again it is almost forty years later too....

Not sure about anyone else but if someone had told me how my life would unfold after leaving NR I would have laughed and said NO WAY!!! For example I would have never imagined living in Alaska and the Yukon for 10+ years and loving it! Or that one day I would be heading up the IT department for a university or that I'd be married three times and my last honeymoon was a 61 day trip around the world or that by age 57 I still had not won the lottery....

Luckily I have enjoyed it all!!!!

Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 15:50:18 (UTC)


David Gray:

Thanks so much for the amazing photos. Isn't it incredbile that no matter how many stories we read, or photos we see, we still get just as excited each time. It's a good job that there is no way for smells to be captured on computers or we would all be in such bad shape. Remember the smell of the rains on the ground, the charcoal burners fires, stepping on a matabele ant, the smell of a mango when you first peel the skin off, a piece of really good dry biltong, motorbike oil at the races in Chingola, the men's locker room at KPF after a softball game.. oops. Ha! Ha!

Keep the stories and photos coming everyone. I think this site is very good for the soul. Keeps us young.

A very Happy Valetines to all my friends for tomorrow.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 13:49:48 (UTC)


David Gray

Hi David,

I have just completed a wonderful trip down Memory Lane, via your fantastic selection of photos, all of which I've saved in my special "Northern Rhodesia" folder. A million thanks for sharing them with us.

Again, many thanks go to Arthur, for posting them.

June.

June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 08:46:26 (UTC)


David Gray,

Thank you so much for the wonderful photos of Kitwe. Your house that you showed, looked identical to our house at 159 Phillp Street! I don't post often on this site, but I read it every week and enjoy is so much. One of my goals is to make it back to Kitwe and revisit my childhood haunts. The mine photos were so familiar, as my Dad worked there, but my memory fades me with some of the other areas, as it has been 28 years since we left Zambia. I do recall living on Collier Street when we first moved to Kitwe in 1965 and Des Kenny and his sister Lynda were two of the first people that I met! Did Stanley street back onto Collier Street? Cannot remember. Anyway, thank you to all those who post the wonderful photos and memories, as they certainly were "the best days of our lives."

Debbie Stewart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 06:00:42 (UTC)


I'd just like to add a note about the library in the Rhokana Club

The library was opened in May 1955, using a Rhokana Corporation grant of £25,000 for the library building extension and a donation of from Ernest Oppenheimer of £30,000 for additional books.

Things are not as bad as it first appears in the photo - I noted there was a large selection of Mills & Boon on offer in an article I read printed when the library opened.

Sad to say I am sure there will be also be some precious and significant stuff strewn on the floor.

Arthur


Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, February 13, 2004 at 00:06:23 (UTC)


Northerners !

Arriving this week in the post was a Cd containing the photos taken by David Gray last September when he travelled home to Nkana Kitwe after a long absence similar to my own.

The photographs really belong to the poignant words Dave posted on the 3rd October last year to give them all a true meaning through his eyes and thoughts.

To this end I am re-posting Dave's narrative and his photographs together. His trip home, although to Nkana Kitwe, could relate to any of us here going home too.

Dave, my thanks - you did what I could not.

Please accept my apologies if I mis-named any of your photos or put them in the wrong context.

Arthur




Home Again!

I have just returned from an absolutely fabulous "Lark" and full marks to Heather and her team for really efficient planning and logistics.

Livingstone and the Falls were tremendous with the African Queen cruise and dinner being the highlight. The braai was equally enjoyable but in a more muted way. The band reduced volume so I could converse without the possibility of losing my voice. I met up with Steve and Margaret de Lange plus son Art and daughter-in- law Cathy, and had a great time catching up! We certainly covered a lot of ground! Sunday saw Des, Fiona, Johnny, Franz and I being driven to Ndola by super driver Keith Slone. Next morning we collected Voyager cars and set off to brave the police road blocks, the draconian traffic regulations and traffic lights which could hardly be seen due to the use of low powered frosted bulbs and the absence in most cases of the red/amber/green lenses!!!

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From Livingstone and on the road home


What can I say? Yes, it has changed sometimes almost out of all recognition. The once dense forests between Ndola and Kitwe have been stripped out and converted to charcoal. The Kafue bridge is within the city limits now and looks bare and forlorn without the bush around it. There is grinding poverty and many buildings look run down and threadbare. But there is also a positive spirit evident. I kicked off my pilgrimage with a visit to the Kitwe Boys High School and found to my surprise that the Head Boys "Roll of Honour" was still in place and being updated annually. My name was there for the first year of 1957. The headmaster Mr. Mporokosa asked me to return next day to address the Assembly. This I gladly agreed to. I then visited the old Frederick Knapp School which is now called the Rokana Medium School. I saw the class room where I first attended Sub A and noted that the brass bell from one of the old "Coffee Pot" Mine Locomotives was still in place. This is amazing as anything metal takes wings and is sold for scrap.


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Around Nkana Kitwe, Town Centre, Frederick Knapp School, Kitwe Boys High, Anglican Church, Rhokana and surrounds


I then went looking for our first house No. 54/4th Avenue. Alas, most of the houses between 2nd and 6th Avenues from Club to Harrison Streets have been pulled down to make way for the new cobalt plant. So Emily, June and Margaret (Jocks), your old home No 46/4th Avenue has disappeared completely. I next visited the Mine Club which is sadly falling into disrepair. I met up with the barman and together we climbed to the top of the tower from where an excellent panorama of the mine was visible. The old swimming pool is partly filled with green water - the diving boards have disappeared. I had a Fanta at the massive bar counter and watched cockroaches scuttle by. The barman said that business hotted up round about 4 PM and that he normally sold 120 quarts of Chibuku. The snooker room is intact but no one knows where to find the light switch!!! I was told that the owner of the mine mess had the key to the old Rhokana Cinema so I attempted to get a look inside. No luck, the owner was in Livingstone and no one knew where the keys were. The Mine mess stopped feeding miners some six years back and is currently winding down operations. I drove up and down the avenues remembering where friends once lived. I photographed David Thomas' old home on 3rd Avenue and noted that Philip Pains first house, immediately behind, had been knocked down and only the foundations remained. Are you sure you didn't blow it up Philip - is that why you had to move next door??? The Gothan home is also just a foundation (as are many houses throughout the town) The new owners of the houses often incorporate a small sales outlet on the front boundary in an effort to eke out a better existance.

My next port of call was the mine cemetery - I had in mind to visit the grave of a school friend of mine, Ann Baske, who died tragically at the intersection of Club and 7th Avenue when she failed to stop at the stop sign there. I couldn't find her grave as all the brass name plates have been stolen. Sad. I did find our second house No.1 Stanley Street although it is cracking badly and has been unoccupied for two years. Des Kenny's house next door (No.3) is occupied and in good order. Market stalls have mushroomed along Central Street between 21st and 23rd Avenues.

It had been a long, hot day and I then repaired to the Copperfields Guesthouse and slept like a log. Next morning saw me at Kitwe Boys High ready to address the assembly. We gathered in the staff room (the old library) and waited for the teachers to drift in. When sufficient had arrived we marched on to the stage, I was introduced by the head master and I launced into my address, a stirring piece on the benefits of obtaining a good education. I spoke for 10 to 15 minutes and sat down to thunderous aplause from the 1200 students packing the hall. I could get used to this!!!

I next visited the Saint Michaels and All Angels Anglican Church. Apart from the high concrete wall running round the front of the church and dividing it from the teaming taxi rank in front, St. Michaels has changed little. I wanted to relive my early Christian 'walk' and to tell them of a very special church service which had taken place two days previously on the other side of the world. My good friend David Thomas had celebrated 50 years of his church music ministry at St. Margarets, Birkdale, Queensland. It had all started in St. Michaels in 1953 when Mrs Lilian Burns the church organist, had identified David's talent and soon had him playing for sunday school and Evensong. 50 years later David Thomas is still at it - Congratulations! I looked at the church organ - it hadn't worked in years I was told. The piano too is in a sorry state being badly out of tune and with keys pointing in a variety of directions. They do have a drum set and I'm certain that their services really go with a swing!

Parking in town is a bit of an eye opener. Regent Street is now an enclosed parking area closed off at the now nonexistent Astra end and requiring payment of K 1 000 on exit. The department stores have long gone, their place taken by many smaller shops. Shop Rite has replaced the OK Bazaars. One can still buy a foot powered treadle sewing machine - not a Singer but a "Flying Dove" made in China. I had wanted to visit the station but couldn't find a place to park amongst the teaming taxi multitudes. I visited the pump station - houses everywhere! I went to the Kafue bridge and took a picture. A distant charcoal burner took exception to being included in the picture and was all agrieved. He demanded payment to make himself feel better so knowing that these things can turn nasty I agreed to give him K 5 000 if he posed for me. Amazing how his manner improved. Charcoal costs K 8 500 a large bag. I had no luck getting the coffin makers of Wusikili to allow me to photograph their labours so they will now never be famous and featured in the GNR! Coffins cost K125 000 each. The AIDS pandemic is making itself felt with HIV + numbers at the 50% level.

I had quite forgotten the beauty of the bush in the pockets that remain along the road to the Mindola Dam. The lush shades of green and the occasional splash of red as the trees burst into leaf in anticipation of the rains which should break the heat at the end of the month. The cicadas were in full song and I was transported back to those long gone days of my childhood.

My final duty in Kitwe was to visit the Rotary Club of Central Kitwe which is poised to celebrate its 50th Anniversary. 45 years ago they gave me a small bursary to attend Varsity and for the last 25 years I have been "paying it back" in service to the community. I exchanged Club Banners and formally thanked them for the bursary then took my leave and joined the remnants of the Larkers at the Mona Lisa restaurant for a final dinner.


I had one final thing to do in Zambia - I wanted to find the old family farm near Mazabuka and to try to locate the graves of my Grand Parents and Uncle Jack. I flew Zambian Airways to Lusaka and picked up another hire car. I finally located Nega Nega and found that the single Indian Shop had mushroomed into a main street which even boasted a night club! After a false start I homed in on familiar hills and using roads covered with talcum powder dust I finally made it to the old "Honiton Farm" homestead. The buildings have been remodelled but I located the old generator room and the foundations of the dining and sitting room. I set off to find the graves and immediately ran into problems - my childhood memories told me to look in a certain area but the graves were not there. Some children passed and I tried to talk to them but they didn't understand. I was picking my way back to the car, ready to accept defeat when the children's father dashed up. Was I looking for graves? He knew where they were!!! I followed him to an unfamiliar grove of trees and there I discovered the graves of my Grand Father and Grand Mother and my Uncle Jack who had been killed by a crocodile some 70 years ago. The kindly farmer's 10 hectare subdivision of the old farm contained the graves and he had been keeping them clear. Thank you for that kindness - you are one of natures true gentlemen.

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My pilgrimage to Zambia was at an end. I had achieved much of what I had set out to do and had enjoyed every second of my brief week back in the land of my childhood. Things are certainly different but all is not doom and gloom. The spirit of the people will pull them through.

Thank you Heather and Keith for your many kindnesses. Thank you to Craig and Arthur - it was a pleasure meeting you. Thanks to all the new friends I have met Des, Fiona, Johnny and others too numerous to mention - we will keep in touch. And to my old friends Steve and Margaret thanks for that trip down memory lane.

David Gray
South Africa
Friday, October 03, 2003 at 18:15:58 (UTC)






Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 23:31:29 (UTC)


Charlie,

Have you managed to get hold of Charlotte or Linda? Send me an sms if not and I'll get hold of my contact.

Love,

Beth

ps So nice to have you back

Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 18:51:53 (UTC)


Barry

"Untied States" now that's what I call a Declaration of Independence!

If you search on "Untied States" you will even see a couple of sites where this "title" is officially acknowledged by .gov sites.

Was reading about the Sacred Tree named Chiofu near Ngoma Lodge in Kafue Game Park. It's a 100 ft. high indigenous mahogany. Legend has it it was planted by Kalezhi, a witch doctor skilled in war medicines who put special muti in as he planted it to give it prophetic powers.

In days of tribal warfare local warriors would hurl their spears at it before battle from a distance of 20 paces. If the spear hit the tree the warrior would gain a victory. If the spear missed he would be killed in the battle so would avoid going.

When the guide takes you to the tree he asks permission of the spirit of the tree. Should it refuse it is said the tree will tremble and sway as if in a storm.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 17:31:42 (UTC)


Robina,

Don't know much about the school, my kids went to Lechwe school which is still running (somehow) my brackets).

Barry just posted, after a long time, Hi, Barry!, and we were all at the Kitwe Little Theatre. Not quite a Spike Milligan, but one of the funniest performances during one of the Old Time Music Hall performances, which used to be a yearly event, was Brian O'Neil doing Billy Connolly, with this big blond wig, and needless to say with great scot's accent. I can still hear it!

I am sure that Barry can come up with some more tales, and great to hear from you. Welcome!

jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 15:04:07 (UTC)


Tina

Or the even better known "Untied States of America" ....


Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 05:43:58 (UTC)


Spike Milligna - the well known typing error.

Quite a lot sources pop up when you simply search on "Spike Milligan books". Moving on to the Goon Show - I'm sure Goon Show fanatics know you can buy the shows on CD and tape and pick up mp3's all over the web. I have about 40 of them. I could not have lived my life this happily without Spike Milligan Goon Show scripts e.g. "Eccles put on a record." "Mmmmmffff urrrrrrrrgh grrrrrrugggh." "What is it?" "....It..doesn't...fit!" Gonna stop here or this will be a mile long.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 22:00:10 (UTC)


Madeleine

That should read " they not only give". I don't know about other people on the GNR, but when I type the keys all seem to change place on the keyboard.

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 21:22:49 (UTC)


Madeleine

Thanks for the web site. It is always a bit of a thrill to get new sites as the not onle give me more news on steam still running, but the links often lead to even more information on other sites, which in turn leads to more. Even more intresting is the fact that my father and brother were both born in PE and net a word from them on the subject of the Apple Express. Thanks again.
SYD

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 21:18:14 (UTC)


Bob,
We might just be able to see both Pappy and Jean at xmas time. I`ve seen Jean since 73 and Mum gets regular emails from her. Don is not too good though. He`s either got senile demensure or Altzimers, Jeez!! spellings not too good tonight. Dunno where Margaret has got to though.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 18:23:50 (UTC)


Fiona, You are the winner! I picked up 4 small Milligan paperbacks at a flea market here on Sunday, I have been searching for Spike stuff for a while. Have you read Hitler-My Part in His Downfall and Rommel-Gunner Who? If you can find them they are worth reading. I will put a few more bits on GNR soon.

Pappy hope you and Ross can meet, he's never met a real granpappy before. maybe I'll see you December, Ross and I have a girl cousin near you, that would be
great, Ross & I last saw her in 73.

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 16:16:39 (UTC)


Bob Gillies:

I think Mrs. Silbereisen, our long-suffering Std. 5 teacher at Kitwe Primary School, may have written a couple of those poems you are asking about.

Here's another one I think she penned one night:

The kids in school
All played the fool
And Dore was the worst of them all
I found gobs of gum
On my desk and bum
Now they're all sweeping floors at the mall



Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 13:21:21 (UTC)


Hi Donald,
It was with great interest that I read about your interest in small gauge trains.
I am now living in Johannesburg, but for 27 years I lived in Port Elizabeth, and there they have a wonderful little train, called the Apple Express. It is used for families and tourists wishing to see the Eastern Cape, plus I believe it is still used as it was in the past. We as a family, used to take the children for wonderful rides, and also watched the Apple Express Race which was always very intertaining.
Apparently it is only one of two narrow gauge steam trains in Southern Africa.
I am giving you a site that you can visit that will give you all the necessary info which I am sure will satisfy you.

http://www.apple-express.com/

Enjoy your read
Madeleine

Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 09:00:46 (UTC)


Bob Gillies

I'm desperate - more please!


Thanks,
June




June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 08:07:24 (UTC)


Thanks Linda,

On my next trip up to the Copperbelt I will arm myself with a forshorl and dig under the paw paw tree in 4931 Niles Avenue.

It will have to be soon as I'm down to my last few tots of PR.

Regards

Mark Sturgeon [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 06:11:12 (UTC)


Mark Sturgeon:

Go to 4931 Niles Avenue in Riverside, Kitwe. In the back yard is a huge paw paw tree, under which you should dig til you reach China. About 4 ft down, you will find a rusted out petrol tank. Inside the tank is a gunny sack, tied with barbed wire. (Not the one with the 90 lb barbel inside. The other one...) Inside the sack you will find my last 6 bottles of Pirate's Rum, paid for with ill-gotten gains and bribery to George the Barman up at Kitwe Playing Fields on April 17, 1978. (I left Kitwe on April 18, 1978). They should be in their prime. (grin)

I think I can STILL lay claim to being the only person at Kitwe Playing Fields who could drink half a bottle of rum and coke (yeehah!) and balance 20 fifty ngwee coins on my elbow and then flip my arm quickly, catching all 20 coins without dropping one. George the Barman made a lot of money on those bets, plus he got to keep all the coins that were left all over the floor by others each night.

Those were the days my friends... we thought they'd never end...

Now I'm grown up and don't touch a drop of anything. Ag shame, what a waste!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 04:36:05 (UTC)


Ross and Angie

You do that if the occasion arises.

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 04:06:21 (UTC)


Kathy
Can't wait to see you and Trish 1-4-04
Good to see all those pics of Kitwe on this board.
Could you spare one of your mint cracknels that Trish will bring.
see you soon
Nicky kontou

Lynthia
I didn't know you and your friend used to come and peek at us at Parklands Service Station. Ha! Ha!
I wonder what Dave Leverington is doing now?
Good fun reading all the messages.
Nicky x



Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 21:56:24 (UTC)


Geoff Paynter

Thanks for the information on the narrow gauge Garratt still working on the Banana Express Line. I was in Port Shepstone in April last year and on my last day in S.Africa I managed to get some shots of the Garratt pulling a load of wood into the station at Port Shepstone. Just as well I had my camcorder with me as I had used up all the smartcards on my digital camera. I have a brother Bruce Sydney living at Umtentweni and a sister Sherlee Wright (nee Sydney) living at Umkomaas ( both of them lived in Broken Hill & N'dola). Loco No.143 is now working on the Welsh Highland Railway and I hope to go and see it in September this year. There is also a free down load for any railway nuts like me if you have MS train sim. The S.African Garratt is on there as is the worlds first Garratt K1. Thanks again for taking the time to inform me of the Garratt at Port Shepstone. Any other info will be greatly recived.
SYD

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 20:31:07 (UTC)


Tina,
Thanks again for the wonderful emails. Yes, I can still drum though the opportunity rarely arises now. If we get near you for sure we will drop in. I would`nt miss the opportunity for the world.

Bob, Yes, desperate for more. Keep them coming.


Pappy,
Nice to hear from you again.Force my daughter to do anything? Hah!!!More chance of a dance with the Pope. No mate, it`s her life to map out. We`ll just help out where we can and hope it all works out in the long term. When I remember what a good deal of "adults" had to say about our prospects especially at hit parade At Gilbert Rennie, we should all be streetsweepers or dead by now.
Maybe sometime soon we two "Grandad`s" can meet and talk about old times. You never know heh.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 19:38:32 (UTC)


Heather,
I have a problem. So far, I have 27 confirmed people for the "Durbanville Derby" – and another 17 that will “try and make it”. I need to know how many people I must book the restaurant for (I’m going to make a provisional tomorrow for 27). If anyone out there intends attending, and wants to eat, please let me know.
What time is your flight? Do you need collecting at CT Int?
Regards
CJ


Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:27:05 (UTC)


Ross,
I have three grand children,and its great.You only feel older if you want to.
Don`t force your daughter to get married unless she really wants to.
The boys are 7&5 years old and their mom married their father in September,my grand daughter is 2 years old,and her father is an arse(sorry can I use that word,appologies if not),so I thank my lucky stars that my other daughter is not married.
Just enjoy and age gracefully.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 18:05:26 (UTC)


Bob

My guess is Spike Milligan, particularly the sardine one. Very funny!

Johnny

I'm still here darling, just lurking mostly though. I am writing this from work but I don't often get the chance and the last thing I want to see at night when I get home is a computer. I'll get over it soon and start posting again, I promise.

Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 15:45:44 (UTC)


Can anyone out there tell who wrote these poems, Sue, you might be the best bet!

The lion is fierce,
His teeth can pierce,
The skin of a postman's knee,
It serves him right,,
That, because of his bite,
He gets no letters you see.

A baby sardine,
Saw her first submarine,
She was scared and watched through a peephole,
Oh, come, come, come,
Said the sardine's mum,
It's only a tin full of people.

You must have heard
Of the Admiral Byrd,
Who found a pole called South.
He flew all the way,
From the USA,
Well lawdy hush ma mouth.

I have more if anyone is desperate.


Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 15:19:27 (UTC)


Donald Sydney recently mentioned some ex-Banana Express narrow-guage Garratts now operating in Wales. I'm pleased to inform him that as late as early December 2003, at least one (other) example was still in operation at Port Shepstone, and another was rumoured to be undergoing restoration there. My family did the 20km round trip tourist excursion but the operation seemed to be taking strain and I'm not sure whether its survival is assured. Great to be behind a steam loco again though.

Geoff Paynter [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 14:26:59 (UTC)


Hi Charles,
Thanks for the research. I have phoned Rosendal Guest House and spoke to Rita and we have a reservation. I look forward to meeting you.
Cheers!

Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 13:49:40 (UTC)


Ron Sayer,
I’ve just checked where the nearest B & B is to Kriges. It is less than 300 yards away, and is called Rosendal Guest house (tel: +27 21 9198540. Rita, the proprietress, told me they have 1 room available. Prices are Single B & B, 300 ZAR, Double B & B 400 ZAR. There are at least two other B & B’s in the vicinity, and I’ll try and find out more prices for you.
Heather,
I’ve just been speaking to Tim Krige, the owner of the venue, and borrowed a menu from him. If we knew how many people were staying for a meal, we could book out the restaurant – he can cater for about 65. His prices seem fair ie steaks between 45 ZAR for 200 g to 63 Zar for a 300 g Garlic Mussel Steak. Burgers from 26 – 32 ZAR, Roast Lamb Neck 53 ZAR etc.
Regards


Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Pinelands, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 13:36:19 (UTC)


Lesley,
Thanks for your kind message. My wife works for the University of leicester seconded to the NHS trust. It`s a highly thought of Uni so I hope your sprog does well there. As for mine, she`s feeling ickey all the time at the moment so hugs are the order of the day till she gets past this stage.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 11:17:07 (UTC)


Ron!

That is what I would call dedication! Have a great time!

jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 08:16:35 (UTC)


PIRATE RUM - aka "Hooligan Juice"

Seeing Linda's reference to Pirate Rum reminded me of the sessions we used to have with the amber liquid in and around Nchanga.

Sadly, I believe that it is not being produced any more. I have tried (on my trips up to the Copperbelt and Mazabuka) in recent years to buy a few bottles but to no avail.

Does anybody know who may have some stock? Will be willing to pay some thousands of kwachas for a few bottles of the real macoy.

Finally - did you know that most Christmas Carols can be sung to the words of ..... Pirate Rum!

Mark Sturgeon [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 06:41:39 (UTC)


Dam! Pressed the wrong button. We are about to start the trek so we will check into the GNR on Thursday Feb 12.
We look forward to meeting some of the folk from the GNR and we look forward to sharing some good yarns, secure in the knowledge that we are legends in our mind.
Cheers all.
PS Heather, poetry escapes me but a dop or two will make amends.


Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 04:48:33 (UTC)


If anyone who is attending the Lurker mini lark in Cape Town on Friday 13, at Krige's Pub in Durbanville could you please give some advice on reasonably priced accomodation in the close ( staggering distance) vicinity of the pub.


Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 04:44:12 (UTC)


If anyone who is attending the Lurker mini lark in Cape Town on Friday 13, at Krige's Pub in Durbanville could you please give some advice on reasonably priced accomodation in the close ( staggering distance) vicinity of the pub.


Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 04:44:12 (UTC)


Lesley - thanks for the birthday wishes, my gosh I have seen so many postings of yours and honestly did not realise that you are the same Lesley Billany who was at Bruce's in PMB with the group of Muf girls, altho Billany was very familiar I thought perhaps you were a Billany cousin, now that I am well over the hill and my memory not that up to scratch but I do remember you were such a lady, always polite quiet well groomed with blonde hair to die for, you were definately not the hooligan that I was, please please em a pic of yourself not recent but way back then and I would love you to remind me of the days at Bruce's and ALSO what Claire got up to with a box of matches, I only used them to light my tubes of bliss (cigs) in brackets for those of you on the GNR with minds that belong in the bog!!! I am not going to mention any names of those who have minds in the bog!!!!! BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE!! I memorize all the stories of knickers flying out of windows etc etc. My gosh two postings in one day, quite unacceptable
Love and Hugs (again) to all - Irene

Irene White (née Barnard) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 01:19:38 (UTC)


A little bird tell me Heather would love to get a Valentines day poem.

So guys, let's get the ball rolling. I am sure you can all better me!!!

Heather...

Violets are blue
Roses are red
If your husband finds us
We'll both be dead

...Peter

Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 21:30:45 (UTC)


Things have been a bit hectic lately and haven't had time to check the board for days. Phew, what a lot of postings to catch up on. Would just like to say thanks to all who posted info about Susmans, SA chocs etc. I think a trip to Newhaven is in the offing. Also heard from Kris Massie who lives practically next door to me in Southwater and we hope to meet up soon. A reply to your e-mail is on the way as soon as I catch my breath Kris.

Would like to say hi to Rossley Gillies in Leicester. My daughter is in her 2nd year at Leicester university. She thinks Leicester is a great place as 'at least there are some half way intelligent people there', unlike Horsham, which apparently is full of retards! Hope you get over the shock of your daughter's news soon. A significant part of my working life is spent dealing with pregnant teenagers and their housing problems....life goes on.

And a big Happy Birthday to Irene White (Barnard). I often think of our time at Mrs. Bruce's establishment in PMB and some of the things we got up to. I had better not mention what your sister Clare could do with a box of matches in the dorm after lights out! It's hard to think of us all being grown up and 50+ - and still trying to decide what to do when we grow up.

Lesley Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Horsham, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 21:14:43 (UTC)


Hi to all on the GNR message board, altho I don't often post a message, be assured I read the board
every day and I mean every day 365 days of the year, I love the banter and especially when the controversial conversations come up, some of the replies, well I do have a giggle at the restraint, I read between the lines and just imagine what's really going on, its just as well foul language is prohibited as a lot of people would be in a lot of trouble, HEY its just nice to air your own view on subjects that really have a no win conclusion - great reading some days and a lot better than buying a newspaper.

But thats not why I am posting a message my message is that how wonderful it is to see ones birfday posted on the board and also a personal email with HAPPY BIRTHDAY wishes, makes one feel warm, oozy, special and loved, wished the best by so many people half of whom I don't even know, I feel so special. Heather I would guess is the person that posts these wishes and I thank her, hey having a birfday on a Monday is the pits, I have just done the laundry, John went sking for the morning and a friend gave me 4 divine sherry glasses as a presie with I might add a bottle of sherry so I whipped up a shrimp salad and we had a few sherries, had to test the glasses, so I'm off to a little lie down now. Again, to the caring people that have created this board Craig and is it Dawie and their team of helpers THANKS
LOVE AND HUGS TO YOU ALL - IRENE WHITE (nee Barnard) MUF

Irene White (née Barnard) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fergus, Ontario, Canada
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 19:24:46 (UTC)


Annamarie Renaud,
Happy birthday! Are you any relative of Norman Renaud who used to be a mine captain at Mufulira in the 60's?

Cheers - Doug



Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 18:46:09 (UTC)


What a site this is. One of my boyhood friends, Dave Heaton saw these posts and contacted me by email. Turns out he`s only 30 miles up the road in Derby so a reunion is on the cards for the near future.
He was one of the unlucky guys who got to sit in my 3 wheeler while I tried to turn it over in the Chilanga swimming pool car park.
By the way, Ken Childs, if you are uot there please contact.

Can anybody give me info on ROB HENDRY as my Mum would love to speak to him. She remembers him with great fondness.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 18:34:08 (UTC)


Linda, Everyone knew Stan (the man) from Sportmans Den but who remembers Val with the Smile?

Please post that photo of a large catfish. Barry Wright spent the week with me and we went fishing Saturday afternoon at a local dam and hauled out 5 good barbel but biggest only about 5Kg, but very good fun on light rods and line, you use POLES and ROPE. I went back Sunday afternoon on my own and got another 4 out similar size. The last one I hooked on the light bass road and it would not come in. With 6lb line I was having great fun but eventually lost it as I caught first sight of it's whiskers, maybe 6 or 7Kg. Barry says hi to everyong remembering him as should be a returned RSA resident this month with Gail to follow if the job offer here on Wednesday pans out.Hold thumbs.

To grandad to be, Ross, I was going to e mail you privately but since the bulk of the planet's population now knows I will say here that we all over here just hope the term goes fine with no problems, I might even see the result in December, and be a great uncle (first time I've been a great anything). At least in UK (we still hope) you get some allowances and benefits which make things easier. Our neigbours daughter (24) is also single and due to pop any day now, bets were on it would be on Trayn's birthday, but she's held out. There is also a 16 year old had a kid here last July with a family already of 23 in one house, that we assist through Rotary so these happenings are not unusual. Hope the responsible male type person is reliable, if not I hope he goes into hiding!

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 16:08:57 (UTC)


Linda, Please send that picture of my tiger to Artie - I have the fish up close and personal as I am trying to bite it back! (gave me a good fight on a light line) Thanks for cleaning the picture up for me!

Sorry - I have taped over the video of Irene eating the live tiger fish brekkie - my men at home were too freaked out... very, very nervous about Kitwe Buns...dunno why?

Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 15:34:31 (UTC)


the one on my wall sings : 'Don't worry, be happy," and "put me in the water, put me in the river".

All you fishing fundis, I am joining the 'Ladies Team' at the Zambia National Fishing Competition! I have probably mentioned this many times already but am getting really geared up for this! Hope to bring lots of piccies of fish, and promise will not cheat on photo! I will gear the catch to the forefront so you cannot see the big one behind it..(me..)

donna

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 14:23:38 (UTC)


Jilly:

I sent you an email with the photo of the tiger fish that you sent me a while back. Did you receive it? The one I got from you was very dark, but I have been able to lighten up the background a lot so you can see the fish and you quite clearly now. I think it is in good enough shape to send it in to Artie to post. It most definitely is bigger than either Artie's or Craig's and you have it close to your body with no trick photography, smoke, mirrors or wires.

"Fisherwomen Rule!!" Yeah!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 13:28:37 (UTC)


Irene White, Morag Kent, Annemarie Renaud, Maureen Griffin, Peter Mostert, Bev Chauhan

Best wishes on your birthday


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 08:35:12 (UTC)


All this talk about the size of the fish and holding it at arms length to make it appear larger on the photograph reminded me of the fishermans prayer. For those that don't know it, here it is.
"Oh Lord, grant me a fish so big that even I don't have to lie about it".
The question is, can this ever happen?

Hans Kunzle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Larnaca, Cyprus
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 06:47:13 (UTC)


Johnny,

Yes, I suspect a bicycle pump, some digital photograph manipulation or (most likely), some very clear instructions from Arthur to Shadrack (the guide) on how to take that picture while Arthur shoved the fish very close to the camera so that he was as far away from the camera as possible, thereby making the fish look much bigger than it was when compared to Arthur in the background.

Good technique Arthur. :) A sign of a true fisherman with "experience".


Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 03:30:12 (UTC)


Jilly:

Welcome back from your travels! I just sent two emails again that you do not appear to have received. Let me know if you get them, please.

Since the boys are now bragging about their tiger fish, you absolutely HAVE to send in your photo too. It's up to you to win back the bragging rights for the females!! Do you still have the video of Irene LeRoux snacking on a live tiger fish for breakfast? That ought to do it. :)



Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 02:06:54 (UTC)



Craig those two minnows you are holding. we used to bait our hooks with bigger ones and I notice there is no imperial weight mentioned with Arthur's exhibit which looks as if it has been aquainted with a bicycle pump. Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 09, 2004 at 00:14:51 (UTC)


Linda,

I am not getting any emails from you.

I am back from my travels, but was only gone 72 hours - a pity!

Jilly

PS I am soooo disappointed that only Pappy recognised the Ford Escort! Nothing against you, Pappy!

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 22:46:32 (UTC)


Craig

OK,OK, you caught the biggest tiger fish on the first day, but here's a photo Shadrack took of one of the smaller ones I caught and we threw back on the second day. The fish were in a lot better mood when they discovered you'd gone up river in a canoe.

Click for image.

Any further arguments about this and I will invoke one of my Crocodile Man guarantees.

Click for image.

Here's Craig and his large tiger, Shadrack looking on.


David Hoyle

Your quote "I used to have a photograph of myself holding what I would have said was identical to yours but the wife ate the photograph in a fit of pique"

I say no more. My tiger was bigger, obviously.

Linda

Nothing is bigger in Texas, vundu catfish, or tigers.

Arthur


Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 22:25:32 (UTC)


David:

Don't believe Craig. It is two sides of the same fish. Craig used his "bumba zonke" ingenuity and put some wire through his and stretched the skin.

I better duck while the ducking is good. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 21:12:38 (UTC)


David Hoyle,

I would like to point out that the tiger fish I caught on the same trip with Arthur was bigger than his, but I bet he won't post the picture of the two of them side by side. :)


Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 20:31:37 (UTC)



Northerners in the Cape Town Area


At long last the venue for the get-together

on Friday 13th February 2004

Kriges Pub, Old Oak Road, Durbanville


5 pm onwards.


To get there:

From Cape Town take the N1 highway. Take Exit 25 - Old Oak Road exit, keeping to the left. At the traffic lights, turn left into Old Oak Road. About 200 metres past the 2nd set of robots, there's an entrance on your left to Kriges parking lot. It is a large Cape-Dutch building.

If you are travelling from Paarl direction, you can't use the Old Oak exit. You must take the Willie Van Schoor and Durban Road Exit (R302) that allows you to cross the N1 from the Bellville side to the Durbanville side. Follow Willie van Schoor, through the robots at Bill Bezuidenthout (Tyger Valley Centre's main entrance is at this intersection) to the next set of Robots, where you turn right into Old Oak Road. Go through the set of robots at Durbanville Road, and shortly after that you'll see Krige's on your right. If you hit the next road (Mountain View) - you've gone a little to far.


We already have thirteen definites on the list and another eight possibles, so please do join us.





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 19:54:51 (UTC)


David Hoyle:

Sportsmen's Den was around the corner from Radio Limited, close to Kingston's Bookstore, in Coronation Square. You should have been able to spot it quite easily, as one had to wear long boots and carry a shovel when listening to all the "one that got away" stories floating through the doorway. Stan van Staaden used to work in there, but half of the Copperbelt used to congregate in there. (Great place to stroll past and innocently adjust one's skirt in the window reflection... oops)

I really do have a story and a photo of the catfish that I mentioned in the previous posting. If any fishermen are interested in reading the article and seeing the fish, just email me and I will send it on to you. Quite a size.



Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 19:45:02 (UTC)


Jane Todd
These Baillies are from south of the border.
Makuti/Kariba.
best regards

Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 18:30:05 (UTC)


No offence Boss, Mr. Arthur about the Tiger Fish, best and biggest I've ever seen. I could tell it hadn't been frozen but it really does look like its singing.

Sportman's Den, was that the in Edinburgh Hotel in Kitwe? I remember the name but the grey cells are tired.

In the Lusaka Hotel they used to call the bar "The Dog Box".

Once caught a 12½ Kilo cat fish [Vundoo (spl?)] at one of the farmers Dambo's just outside of Kabwe and thought that was pretty good.


David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 18:26:14 (UTC)


David Hoyle

You must be talking of the place we called Canty's Shanty's at Siavonga. They were where Maurice Diamond's Lake Safari Lodge is now built.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 18:14:49 (UTC)


Piccaninie missus came home on Friday night to announce that she will be eating for two from now on with the main event in Sept. I`m still in shock along with the wife. She`s only 18 and single. Also moved out of home a month ago. Does every youngster total their best teenage years this way?
Just the thought of being a Grandad makes me feel reaaallly old.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 16:52:19 (UTC)


Pappy

Thanks for the little rat story, would love to hear more.

Sue

I remember seeing your spitfire around Kitwe, what model was it?

Talking about photos, which have been lovely, has anyone any photos of the Italian Club?


Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 16:48:43 (UTC)


Would love to hear from anyone whottaught at Kitane Primary School in Kitwe between 1976 and 1978. Or anyone who belonged to the Little Theatre in Kitwe during those years.

Robina Mcadam (née mcadam, formerly Wright) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 14:51:44 (UTC)


Lynda and Bill

thank you very much for the contact numbers. will follow up these soonest

Bill, the Baillies related to Vernon Baillie (ex Norman Carr Safaris?) Just wondering.

Johnny,

This exellent road in Garneton stops just short of Vanedium my future home. However this stretch of road is by far the best for miles around, the roads in Kitwe have potholes large enough to swollow up a fiat uno!

My purposes for this car is to resume my hobby of exploring outback Zambia again. Many thanks.

yours,

jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 07:43:37 (UTC)



Arthur
Thanks for posting photos, actually have some of Lusaka that my son took when he lived there, but not sure if Heather has posted anything on Lusaka, have the airport etc. May send them with another sprinkling of ricin have a good supplier now, as you know it took me time to find it. Will send some more photos in time and leave it to your good!!!! discretion as whether to post or not.

Marilyn Noall
The word old is not in my vocabulary, and judging by some of the friends I mix with from time to time, their actions and words convinces me they are not old or nearly old either!!! Will introduce you to them someday.

To anybody who frequented the bar at Ek Park, it is still the same, and the photos of the cricket players from the 1960's are still on the walls.


Kathy (Seville)
Miss Smart the Headmistress of Kitwe Girls High, also taught sewing, can you imagine how stressful and mind boggling that was.
Had an email from Trish, mentioning more names of people I had forgotten about.

Denise

Denise Horton (née Wellbeloved) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 04:22:18 (UTC)


Helen

More ex-Lusaka Convent girls? Give them my email and lets get them joined on the LC site.

Any other ex-Lusaka Convent girls out here reading this who are not in the Lusaka Convent site, email me via the link at the end of this message and I'll give you details. Personalities, photographs and memories all gratefully accepted! :)

Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 08, 2004 at 00:39:28 (UTC)



Jane you don't need a four wheel drive vehicle the roads in Garneton are tarred now, Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 20:34:56 (UTC)


David Hoyle:

Ag shame man, but you are wrong about the tiger fish Artie is holding. I have it on good authority that it is actually originally from Sportsmen's Den in Kitwe. Bertie Roomer glued it up there with some Chappies bubble gum in nineteen voetsak. (The side closest to Artie still has the wall plaster sticking on it.) If you squeeze it just right, like Artie is in the photo, it sings a beautiful rendition of, "Somewhere over the Rainbow!" You only have to look at its mouth to see he is doing that. No, really....

If you respond to me directly, I will send you a photo of a cat fish that was caught just down the road from me a couple of weeks back. It weighed 121.5 lbs (55.2Kgs!) It now holds the world record and you can see that it separates the real fishermen from the tiddly winks.

lombard AT coppernet DOT zm if you are GNR member, you may want to check your virus protection program. You have sent me multiple MyDoom viruses today. Better yet, I have a magical 2X4 that I can send to you by overnight express.


(Message edited to change unmasked e-mail address into a non-machine-readable format.)



Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 20:29:02 (UTC)


I never lived in Kitwe, but my father often went there for work. He would take my mother, my two sisters Sherlee & Moira, my brother Bruce and I with him. We would take a walk around town and go for a cup of tea before dad would meet us again to return to N'dola. Sometimes if he was late we would wait until dark just to see the glow from the slag been tipped from the mine. My father's brother Burt Sydney also lived in Kitwe and he worked in the mine stores. Seeing the photo's of Kitwe also sent a tingle down my back as I saw places I had forgotten about. Thanks for the mental trip back to the Copperbelt.

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 19:39:13 (UTC)


If Johny can get away with his stories, try this.

A blonde was trying to sell her car (in Kabwe) but was having major problems because the car had 250,000 miles on the speedometer.

She was discussing this in her Hairdressing Salon and was told that although it wasn't legal she could have the mileage reduced to say 50k. All was sorted and the address of the car service shop (not Cliff's Motors), was given to the blonde.

A few weeks later the blonde was asked if she had now sold her car and in no uncertain terms she said no ways. When asked why, she replied, why should she sell her car when it only had 50,000 miles on the speedometer.

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 18:58:11 (UTC)


I just want to express my utter delight at being a member of this site! So far in one week I have located and contacted 3 of my long lost friends from Lusaka who are in various parts of the world. Thank you Claire Morin, my dear friend from Convent days, for helping me in the search.

Heather:
I was able to contact Doris Mwanza.


Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 18:52:37 (UTC)


Arthur,

Being a newcomer to this site I've just realised that the photograph of a person holding "the" Tiger fish is actually yourself. That's very interesting because I'm convinced the last time I saw that particular Tiger fish was in 1973 in a freezer of Jack Canti (spl?) who use to run a place on the Zambian side of Kariba Dam at a place called Seavonga (spl?). When I was there he used to charge visitors 10 Kwachas for the famous "catch of the year" photograph. I used to have a photograph of myself holding what I would have said was identical to yours but the wife ate the photograph in a fit of pique.

Now we find out who's really got a sense of humour.

Disclaimer. This message has been sent in from an email address owned by David Hoyle ex Kabwe and may not be of an opinion that has been approved or originated by him.


David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 18:31:25 (UTC)


Jane Todd
Try www.baillies.co.za
My daughter & son-in-law, Catherine & Stewart Baillie run a successful 4x4 business at Crowthorne Guateng, re-building & accessorising Landys, Toyota Landcruisers etc.
I'm sure they could advise you in your quest.
regards
Bill

Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 17:52:40 (UTC)


Jane:

Do you know Bugs da Silva? Try his link on the GNR. You have to scroll down through the names on the "Links" link to the right here until you find his website and email address He imports cars for sale and is from Kitwe. Tell him if he does not give you a fair deal, he has to contend with me. That will scare the pants off him. (grin)

If you can't find it, here it is. You will have to type it in.
www.bugsforcars.com


Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 16:34:49 (UTC)


S'mee again!

Not just my computer playing up - the old grey matter not working too well today either.

Yes I did go to Freddie Knapp! Recently contacted one of my ex teachers from std 5 - Mr Alan Gray - he's now living in the UK. Apparently he became headmaster (probably after Mr Potter) but he was a great teacher and an inspiration to most of his class - well, me and Annemarie anyway!

Then went to Kitwe Girls High and was interested to read on here a month or so back (may have been in the 'Looking For' section) that someone recently had a game of tennis with Miss Swart. What a formiddable head she was! Can't remember where she was now though - probably SA.

For some lessons we mixed with the boys from KBHS and one of our lecturers was Mr Thompson (Chemistry) who would hit us on the head if we couldn't remember chemical formulae........needless to say I nearly always left his class with a splitting headache! Happy Days!!!



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 14:49:14 (UTC)


Arthur

Yes I did receive your email but am having humongous(?) problems with my mail just now! Think I've got a virus/worm or something... have run several a/v progs. from the internet and they all say I'm clean (well, my computer - that is!) but I'm not so sure. Some mails come to me 20-30 times every time I connect and mostly I am unable to send.

When I am back up and running properly - will contact you again re lunch....



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 14:37:27 (UTC)


Hiya all members in Zambia.

I have tried but unsucessfully to bring my old battered but favourite L/R 110 back into Zambia. My option now is to buy a car in Zambia and have searched various websites including ToZ and Lowdown small ads. I have sent some emails to various garages but would like to be open to more suggestions on prices so that I can compare. I need a similar working horse, Toyota, RR Discovery and anything similar. Please write to my address at bottom for any suggestions, many thanks.

Another search..

I lost touch with Chris Skelding, ex Nkana, then PNG and then Mt. Isa, all in mine safety, last heard heading for Townsville? (about 5 years ago).

My daughter is gapping in Oz soon and would like to see him again, amongst other friends she has down under. She has got her PADI and would like to get experience in underwater as well as above water OZ.

lovesyouall

jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 14:04:34 (UTC)


TO DENISE NORTON, thanks for those fantastic photo,s i was married in the anglican church 7/2/1959. the cenataph bring back some fond memories. i used to represent the army on remembrance day. i agree with the comments it touches the heart strings when i see or anything about N.R. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OTTO BOUSEMA e mail otto@aerosat.co za CHEERS.

Otto Bousema [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Port Elizabeth, E.Cape, South Africa
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 11:36:37 (UTC)


ooops........forgot to close my strong tags..........sorry Craig....(giggles)

Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 11:18:38 (UTC)


>STRONG> Linda....
I plead not guilty ........I now have Nortons, after getting a better pc I want to be very careful, as I am needing it for work purposes ( getting back into my art work again folks !)...oh and Alice is back studying .........and needs a decent pc as well.......I have been very careful after infecting a few people way back when I first got connected to the net.........
Ali

Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 11:16:51 (UTC)



Dear Linda I think Jilly said she woul'd not be on the air for a while as she has gone trotting off with her husband somewhere, and I have not heard from Fi Fi for some time I am sure she is lurking in the shadows some where as I send her a funny every day and none are returned to me, if ever I am in trouble she responds quickly, she is maybe just having a rest from the mad house. Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 08:28:13 (UTC)


Rob Worrill:

I responded on your last email and sent piccies, but it bounced back?

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 04:44:48 (UTC)


Jill Aplin:

Are you getting my emails? I have sent several with no response.

Anybody heard from Moira Fenwick? She dropped out of sight.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, February 07, 2004 at 00:18:10 (UTC)


David Renshaw,----------U/G/Manager----------chambishi mine George Gibson------AMCO. MANAGER---chambishi mine.please get in touch ARTIE GILROY.

Arthur Gilroy [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dalkeith Midlothian, Scotland
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 23:24:31 (UTC)


Kathy Smith

I replied to your last e-mail - but it bounced right back.

Did you go to Frederick Knapp too? I thought so.



Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 18:13:57 (UTC)


Steve Bacon.

Thank you for making contact. After all this time I remember using your back yard for weight training in the early 70's as though it were yesterday. If you are able to scan a photograph (I am going through a traumatic scanning learning curve) please send it and I will see if I can remember anybody. I also have some photographs which were taken at the "Weightlifting Competition" at the Kabwe Mine Sports Club and although I can't bring his name back a guy from the Congo (with a build like Charles Atlas) won. In each of the 3 power lifts, I think he put at least a few hundred pounds between himself and the nearest contender.



David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 16:45:25 (UTC)


Hi All

BIG THANKYOU to Denise and Arthur for the photos!! Walk down memory lane.....

Lynthia - Nicky Kontou now living in Scotland and I'm hoping to go and see him in March/April! He used to play in a group called The Planets - anyone remember? Rival group was (I think) the Fortunes. We used to go to the sessions regularly on a Friday/Sat evening at the Greek Hall/Playing Fields and elsewhere... names elude me for the moment!

For a short time I was a member of the Little Theatre - joined when they did Through the Looking Glass - Jane Mandeville had the lead. We also did The Sea King's Daughter and I was the lead swordfish..........Gave up when they did Wizard of Oz and I was cast as a munchkin........ obviously acting was not my greatest strength!!



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 15:57:48 (UTC)


I know you Aussies are a bit slow on the uptake, but... (grin.)

No, seriously, can I make a diplomatic en masse suggestion here folks. I don't know about anybody else, but I am being flooded on a daily basis with the MyDoom virus, and without exception it has come in from an Australian email address that I do not know. It is all well and good to have a virus protection program, but if you don't update it on a very regular basis, it is about as good as three boobs on a bull. While the virus is not doing anything serious to my machine, it is so frustrating to have to keep dealing with them.

It would help me at least if you do the following:
Update your virus definitions
Scan your entire system
Enable email scanning for incoming and outgoing email

Thank you, and now I will be ducking the blows...

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 14:05:34 (UTC)


Hi All

I wonder if those of you who send photographs in really understand how much they mean to so many of us – particularly photos taken 20 plus years ago. The latest batch of Kitwe images are wonderful – two in particular really touched me: the one of Nkana Hotel where I spent many happy hours with my primary school friend, Madeline Le Febvre, whose father was manager there for a while, and the shot of Parklands Service Station, where my brother Graham served his apprenticeship. I loved going to both places, the first because we got to eat wonderful meals from the hotel kitchen, and the second because I got to get a peek at the great guys my brother worked with, namely Nicky Kontou and Dave Leverington! Sadly, both Madeline and Graham passed away last year but seeing the photos brought back many happy memories. Thanks again!

PS Arty – Yes, I did see the photo you posted, with Merle Brazier I think. Thanks for thinking of me!


Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 13:29:14 (UTC)


Sue,
that was the second spitfire.thanks for the wedding photos,Tell Noel he looks like his dad just shorter,ha!ha!
Jill,how can anyone forget that Escort,it was always on the move.
Bob I remember the name ginger cookie,but can`t remember who was in it,were they from Ndola perhaps

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 09:30:14 (UTC)


Denise

Thank you for the great photos of Kitwe. Tugged at the old (well, not so old!) heart strings. You must be exhausted having found them all and now too tired to email old friends!

The Little Theatre looks as if it could do with a bit of renovating.

Thanks for loading them on the site, Arthur.

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 08:17:17 (UTC)


Denise - thank you for the wonderful photographs. So much that I had forgotten came back to me in a flash - an emotional journey back in time. Thanks again, and thanks to Arthur for posting them.

June

June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 08:06:30 (UTC)


Rob Wilson, Bill Richards, CliffKing, Valda Redfern

Best wishes on your birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, February 06, 2004 at 06:41:45 (UTC)


Northerners !

Back on the GNR again for a flying visit to catch up on some e-mail and waiting images to be posted.

I came home to find Denise Horton had sent me a small package in the post, I dusted of the ricin and found instead stamps and some photos of Kitwe. I'm posting up Denise's photos for now, stamps to go to the archive for future use.

Here are the photos from Denise.

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Denise - thank you for these especially around the town centre which I missed on my visit in September - Arthur



Hi Arthur,

Talking of "Tickie",

Here is "Tickie" having his newspaper (Northern News?) set alight.

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He was a great favourite of the children and it was a sad day when it was reported that he had died.

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This made me smile when I read the small print.

Regards

Mike Wilson

Thanks Mike - I also scratched out this photo from a 1955 Rhokana Review

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The Zambian Airways option looks brilliant in comparison with what I got for my money from British Airways!



Arthur

Of interest?

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Source unknown but looks familiar.

Peter Hills

Peter - looks like that shot was taken on the Wirral - a well known haunt of kidnappers and scallies.




Hi Arthur

Barbara D and Pappy have been discussing a Triumph Spitfire so I thought I would send you a photo of mine - can't remember if it is the first or second one.

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But I think this photo was taken in our front garden (about 1975) 42 Amazon Crescent.

Slán

Sue Coughlan




Talking of cars, does anyone from Kitwe remember this car?

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(Arthur, it’s not a great picture, so I won’t be surprised if you don’t post it)

Jilly




Dear Arthur,

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In the early 70's for 4 Kwachas I remember being issued with a driving licence after driving my Landrover from the Kabwe Police Station (Shell Road) down to the high street, park and then back to the Station. At the time K4 was worth nearly £3 (Stg).


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1970 Kabwe N.C.C.M. (Nchanga Consolidated Copper Mines). Boarding House Road, Accommodation for single gentlemen.


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1971 Self as the proud owner of a ex Army 1957 Series 2 Landrover 2.5Litre as rebuilt by Dougy Brandt ex NCCM Kabwe.


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1972. Self outside of Meikles Hotel, Salisbury. Wearing my favorite gear i.e. bush boots, knee length socks and what was called the Independance Suit (3 piece safari outfit).


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Absolute fluke, but I caught this 4½lb bream from the bank at Mulungushi Dam (and yes there is a story behind this but I will spill later it later provided there is an interest) but it was the biggest catch of the year, actually upset the Kabwe Mine Manager at the time. Does anybody from Kabwe remember or have a story about Bunny (Barlin spl.?).

Thank you,

David Hoyle




David - not bad for a first try - especially as you're from BH. Good fish, all gums - no teeth, but weighed correctly on the Imperial scale, and I'm now waiting for the story.

Sue - I would have given my eye teeth for a Triumph Spitfire - you had two? How come ? You lived over in Kitwe.

Jilly - Only posted that tiny photo of a FORD Escort cos I'm still waiting for that pic of your "giant" metric tigerfish. Still waiting.

Lynthia - good to see you posting again - we missed you loads - did you see that pic I posted of you last month?

Lastly, Bob - with a name like yours I'd be very careful with your Artiejokes.

Sark


Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 22:45:15 (UTC)


In Kabwe 1972(?) armed robbers stole the payroll from the Canadian managed Zambian Railroads, Head Quarters in Kabwe. The thieves actually drove past the mine were I was working (N.C.C.M.) to perpetrate the crime. What is of significance is that that the whole gang were later arrested in a butchers shop in Kabwe (either Jimmy's or Zamfrig) which is less than 4 miles from the scene of the crime, trying to spend their ill gotten gains on T bone steaks and best joints of beef.

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:12:08 (UTC)


Des Bloxham

Interesting to see the reference to Des. My wife used to work for a good friend of his in Durban and we used to have lunches a couple of times a year. Real colonial affairs and Des was a scream!

Tony Austin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 18:04:10 (UTC)


Bob,
Ginger Cookie means nothing to me.
Maybe someone else will recall them.

Brian Geyser,
Mum say`s Hi, are you still a skelum? told you she`d remember you. 80 this year and still sharp as ever.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 13:38:17 (UTC)


Chris, I have recapped on my jobs in Lusaka after leaving school in December 65. I think I was at Standard Bank from July 66 to August 67. It was also in the temporary premises at the time. In Managers Dept was me, Dorothy, Tony Walters, Vic Fouche, Bob Pope was around there too, and Mike Seggie as our boss man. Branch Manager was Desmond Bloxam (not Bliksem, he used to say). Des had gone to the Ridgeway for lunch with clients one day and there were soles on the menu, AAhh, soles , one of them said, so Des promptly formed the aahhsoles club and had ties made with the lettering mirrored running vertically down the tie, I wonder who still has a club tie? Actually many years later on the bus in Knightsbridge U.K. I saw a posh shop with an awning and the name R Soles & Co and it reminded me of Des's club! I was typing in the bank one day and looked up to see old Wilfred Blight the sub accountant rubber stamping papers. It terrified me that there was my future in the bank and I typed out my notice there & then. I was given the usual pep talk by personnel dept at north end where they offered to raise my salary from 53 pound to 58 pound a month. No go.Meanwhile at youth club Ed Charbonnier from Border Motors used to come and pick up his (yum yum) daughter and was looking for a youngster to join Zambia Motor Spares. That was technical, a real guys job!! So off I went for an amazing 70 pound a month until we lost our accommodation in Lusaka and could find nowhere to live. We slept in our cars for a week in Stewart Park (Ross & I) , tried to doss down at Roy Mayoss's house but his mum found out and we were turfed. So we left for the copperbelt - where I found Linda, Bugs, Butch and many other fine animals. Would it be worth e mailing me the b&w photo, maybe the gnome in the flower bed is actually me.

Ross, Ginger Cookie, did you forget that band or was it the one in Bulawayo around 1971??

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 11:52:31 (UTC)


Barabara,
I do have a few stories but it will take a while for me to get them in perspective,as that was the start of my wild years.One that does stick out was when John Jenks and I were putting down rat traps at Shapiro Milling,when one of the workers spotted a rat and thought he would save some time by just terminating its existance.So he cornered it at the back of the building and proceaded to give it a doing with a stick,WELL the rat was having none of this and jumped up and bit him on the throat,John and I doubled over with laughter just seeing the block running around screaming with a rat attached to his neck.I can`t stand rats since then.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 09:41:42 (UTC)


Johnny

Your last joke must have been too 'blue' as my computer bombed out trying to open it!

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 09:10:01 (UTC)


Robert Allan

Loved the joke, thank you.

Johnny

I'll never ride in a taxi again without thinking about you!


Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 08:32:48 (UTC)


Jeremy Salisbury, Kathy Smith

Best wishes on your birthday





Lynthia

I noticed and well done. Now just stick with it.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 06:17:32 (UTC)


...and another, slightly R rated, so be warned...

The Bug.

A man and a woman were driving down the road, arguing about his deplorable infidelity when suddenly the woman reached over and sliced the man's penis off. Angrily, she tossed it out the car window.

Driving behind the couple was a man and his 6-year-old daughter. The little girl was chatting away at her father when all of a sudden the penis smacked their car windscreen, stuck for a moment, then flew off.

Surprised, the daughter asked her father, "Daddy, what the heck was that?"

Shocked, but not wanting to expose his little girl to anything sexual at such a young age, the father replied, "It ....it was only a bug, Honey."

The daughter sat with a confused look on her face, and after a moment said:
"Sure had a big dick, didn't it?"


Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 04:36:40 (UTC)


Another smile to start the day, and, Johnny, no more artichokes!

Heavenly Clocks.


Hillary Clinton died and went to heaven. As she stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, she saw a huge array of wall clocks behind him.

She asked, "What are all those clocks for?"

St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move."

"Oh," said Hillary, "whose clock is that?"

"That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she had never told a lie."

"Incredible," said Hillary. "And whose clock is that one?"

St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life."

"Where's Bill's clock?" asked Hillary.

"Bill's clock is in Jesus' office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."


Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 04:33:14 (UTC)


Bob Hi,
Brill this isn`t it. Ginger cookie???? that one escapes me.
If Taryn comes over in the summer we`ll give her something more than an E-Card to celebrate ja.
I wonder where we were going to run to. Somewhere where lots of girls could be located no doubt.


Correction Correction Correction!!!!!!!!!!!
Brian Geyser phoned me at work this very afternoon from Oxford to point out that my brain (I`m being liberal here) was made of mealie meal as I got salient points wrong in my reply to Pappy regarding the band years. He was on the phone for nearly an hour with tales of our youth and had me in stitches. I am indebted to him for clearing the fog banks away.
I never played for the Aces but did for the Kingpins with Brian. He left and went to the Crusaders and I joined the Marrionettes (of whom I have a photo to put on the site) with Jeff Mossop, Doug Donation and Buddy Budkofski. I then joined Sounds 5 which then became Sounds 5+1 when Barbara Touey joined us. We used to play on Saturday mornings in the interval at the 20th century cinema in Lusaka paired up with the Crusaders.
Their drummer Manuel Marques and I used to have a head to head drum solo with each other. Fan flipping tastic. The only way out was up the asles iasles aisls******%$$$% Damn! the spaces between the seats afterwards and we used to get mobbed by the kids. Tore the back pocket off my favorite pink flares, yeah yeah, I know but they looked cool in those days, we ended up hiding out in the Managers office. I felt like a mini Beatle.
Again , many thanks to Brien who says he does`nt post much but looks in often.
Bob, we`ll make a plan to see Brian if you come over at Christmas.
Right, I`m off to make the Bobotie for grub. One of Bob`s recipes and a proven favourite.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 18:56:31 (UTC)


Bob Gillies enquires:

Ken had a sister Dorothy that worked with me at Std Bank. Chris Tamm - do you remember her maybe? Ross,

You bet Bob. I have a photo of the entire staff, taken outside the Temporary Premises in Kent Square, opposite the Bank of Zambia, 1967. Dorothy is in there. I could not find you however Bob. Had you moved on by then?

(Unfortunately, the photo is in black and white, and not a terribly clear image. It is not worth posting here)

Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 17:38:45 (UTC)



Yes Alix there is a lot of girls who have taken your message to heart and not necessary in temps as high as you quoted.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 16:25:36 (UTC)


Ross, taryn got the cards ta very much. Your 3 wheeler was the red Fuldamobile. You were obsessed with trying to roll it at the swimming pool car park. Ken Child was with us and also Roy I am sure. We slid so often with all of us in it Ken decided to go on the roof to give some pull. He was sucessful and flew off to get graunched full of laterite but escaped the roll of the car. You later sold it for 2 pounds because it had a front wheel puncture and you did not have the right size socket to get the wheel off. It was parked round the side of the house in Huntley Close where Roy and Ken used to come. Ken had a sister Dorothy that worked with me at Std Bank. Chris Tamm - do you remember her maybe? Ross, you, Roy and Ken later decided to run away from it all with 1/9d and 3 toffees. When our folks and me went to the Child's in Chilanga to search for you, as you'd gone missing and Ken's mum said "I'll get Ken from his room" and went thru and found he was gone too, Ken's dad said he would go and look for you. The problem was cars were far and few at night then and you 3 jumped in the road to thumb from the only car coming and it was Ken's dad. So you great escapees were brought home. One band you forgot was Ginger Cookie, now it's your turn to recall!

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 16:07:30 (UTC)


Margaret

Thanks for posting the photos of Kitwe, nothing seems to have changed much, seems like only yesterday I was in the church, used to have ballet lessons in St Michaels Hall. It all gave me a warm glow and gave me goose bumps seeing the photos.

Pappy

Now that you mention it I do remember Siggy doing a dirty on my dad. I am writing a book on our experiences living in Zambia, especially anything funny, so have you got a few stories to tell (by what I have been reading so far it certainly sounds like it) that are linked to DK Pestcontrol or my dad? Anything would be appreciated. Is there a photo of you at about that time, I am trying to remember what you looked like.

Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 15:50:40 (UTC)



Margaret de Lange

My apologies Margaret. In my early morning blur it did not register that you had taken the pics. Sorry.

Mike

Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 15:30:43 (UTC)


Once again, it's the photos of Kitwe that have got me going! Thanks to all concerned.

PS to Heather C: I hope you notice that I'm actually on the Board again - won't be long before I'm 100% back to normal!

Lynthia Nadauld (née Eldridge) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Krugersdorp, South Africa
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 14:55:00 (UTC)


Hi All

Just 'tuned in' for my fix of GNR - what a great site and even though I don't know many of you who regularly post - I feel I'm getting to know you. Never see any postings from my old contacts - where are they all??

In catching up on some of the postings - sounds like some of you may have picked up a virus - or worm. I have - from somewhere and its a darn pest. If you think you may have the latest worm there is an excellent site which will check your computer for you. go to:

www.shorl.com/gedyjorojifo

and follow instructions..... looks quite complex -but if I can do it (not being a computer fundi) anyone can!

Loved the pikkies of Kitwe - thank you Margaret - doesn't it look different! Or perhaps my memory is somewhat rose-coloured....



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 14:29:06 (UTC)


Ali Key,
Thanks for the welcome.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 14:10:34 (UTC)


Linda, you are dead right. the GNR is so moreish I am eventually going to have to rein myself in, but for the moment I am going to revel in the feeling being here with everybody gives me. My heart never left Africa and this is the next best thing to being back there. Bouquet of flowers for Angie coming up for sure.


Pappy,
I never played with "gut bucket", evocative name however. I was originally with the Marrionettes, then the Aces then sounds five +one. In the copperbelt main gigs were held at the Greek hall, Kitwe, the hangout in Luanshya, "I got carried around the hall there one night after a 20 minute drum solo inspired by Creams White room at the end of which drums and I ended up in a heap on the floor." We also played Ndola Hotel and the mine clubs.
Thanks for the accolade drum solo king wise. I always prided myself on being able to get people on their feet and raving. The bosses of the halls liked that as it made people thirsty and more booze was bought.
Thre only one not raving sometimes was Bob as after he got bladdered he would lay down behind my drums and go to sleep. no one understood how he could that

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 14:03:47 (UTC)


Mulenga Johnny

You are very persistent. No I do not want the Kia cleaned up for me. I live in the house! Clean up the house first and then I will allow you to do up the Kia. I shall leave you all the rest of my green, purple and yellow paint. Don't forget you need to perform a perfect stoop waxing shuffle before you get this permission

Your donna madam jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 13:53:15 (UTC)


Hi again
Oh forgot to say...moving in 40+degrees celsius is not recomended............ ;)
Ali

Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 11:00:05 (UTC)


Hi all
It is so nice to be back........started moving house Monday........Tis now Wednesday evening.......finished at last....!!! Hopefully my last move for a loooong time.

Nice to see new folk posting.........WELCOME!!!

These two sites I came across last week are well worth looking at.........
http://www.djuma.com/
and
http://www.afritrust.com/

take care all
ciao
Ali

Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 10:52:22 (UTC)


Margaret,

Thanks for the pictures of Kitwe. I think I have forgotten most of it now - really need to go back. The one of the Catholic Church brought back memories of our own Linda Dore and I having an altercation of epic proportions at a session there (in the hall) one Saturday night. Since then though, we have been the best of buddies. It's great when people post photos that bring back the past - which wasn't always so rosy, even though we tend to recall only the good times.

Jilly

Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 09:57:40 (UTC)


Linda,
remember it well,he didn`t even get wet.Ross did you ever play for the Gut Bucket,I remember you were the drum solo king,after you left no one did them any more.
do you dtill play the skins.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 09:31:36 (UTC)



Jane when does the big move take place I want to have the Kia cleaned ready for you?.johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 08:57:38 (UTC)


Margaret de Lange

Thank you so much for the great photos of Kitwe. Brought back so many happy memories.

And thank you Heather, for posting them on the Board.

Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 08:36:57 (UTC)


When I was last in Kitwe theSt. Micaels did not seem to have changed at all as per the picture. This hall was used by Lynne Culf in mid 70's as a nursery school where I briefly worked as an assistant. So far as I can tell, judging by the pictures on the surrounding wall it still is used for these purposes.

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 07:47:05 (UTC)



Hi Heather,
Thanks for posting the Kitwe photos. It's good to be kept up-to-date with the the places that were part of one's life even if it is, at the same time, a little sad. In the late Fifties the Catholic Hall was the venue of Jazz and Folk evenings with local artists performing. One of the numbers played was "The Kitwe Taxi Driver". Does anyone remember the words?
Mike

Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 07:38:15 (UTC)


Craig

Ta everso!

This has been my first experience of utter and complete ignorance. I know that if my brakes are slack to check the breakfluid, ditto jumpstart when a battery is flat and put petrol into the car etc...

Why did I not think of the obvious thing and they were really great getting me through all the instructions on the screen .. I have emailed myself from omantel to hotmail and back. It came through! The offending culprit I shall never know but it was a bully@somthing and did he bully me! However, in the process all messages have disappeared and I think one I lost was from Jonny, the attachment got swiped away somehow. It sounded quite interesting, something karma so Jonny please resend.

I am a happy bunny now, it is so nice to have friends and share these minor hassles.

I am now also a lot more confident to look after my little box, a la poem. My prayers were answered and I have not lost all my friends!

Yours, donna

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 07:25:36 (UTC)


Heather

I am enclosing a few pictures that we took in Kitwe.

Margaret de Lange

1. Catholic Church - Kitwe
2. Regent Street from Barclays Bank
3. Regent Street from Post Office side
4. St. Michaels Church Hall - on Friday nights there used to be a session there, today it is a school or day care centre.
5. St. Michaels Church Hall from the outside.

Click for image. Click for image. Click for image. Click for image. Click for image.




Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 06:41:04 (UTC)


Jane,

Sounds like there is a problem with that first message; either it is very large or something else is causing a problem with the transfer. If you can log into your Omantel e-mail via the Web, you may be able to view that message and then delete it from there. If you can't log in via the Web you might want to contact Omantel for support, as they should have access to the e-mail and so be able to help you.


Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 06:25:42 (UTC)


Hi help anyone?

I am having a problem downloading imcoming messages on my omantel network, yet can still send and receive on my hotmaol address. It keeps sticking on receiving 1 message of 6... where can I start looking or could this be a fault from the provider. I have heard noone else compaining My computer expert is away..

thanks

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 05:12:50 (UTC)


Recent Site Updates:

February 3rd, 2004:
  • Archived all site updates for 2003.
  • Attempted to update the Nkana-Kitwe map to use the latest software from Autodesk. However, the original map causes errors with the new software and so seems to be incompatible with it. Added a note to this effect to the bottom of the page.


Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 03:23:54 (UTC)


Pappy:

I do indeed remember that bridge. We all had our vices in those days and mine was Pirate's rum and coke - a.k.a. "gut rot." I remember one night in particular when a whole group of us were under there (don't tell my teenage kids...) after a session and two funny things happened. One of them was that Bubbles Karavantos fell in the water, but then got up so extremely fast that it looked like a movie that had been sped up. Or maybe we were all too drunk or goofed to see it like it really happened. Anyway we laughed our heads off until tears were rolling down our cheeks. Shortly after that the cops, accompanied by vicious, snarling German shepherds, showed up. How they knew we were there I do not know. They were pretty het up and were shouting at us to move off. We were all scrambling out from under the bridge except for a certain dashing, long black haired member of the group who shall remain nameless, who was so far gone he was not even aware that the dog was about to bite his face off. He just stared through glazed over eyes at the dog's slobbering mouth, teeth and lips bared in an attack-mode grimace, and mumbled, "Howzit bow wow!" I don't think he realizes how close to death he was that night!

Ross:

I feel I must give you fair warning here. Please buy your lovely wife a huge bouquet of roses in advance for all the time you will be spending on the GNR. The rest of us are all seasoned posters and can tear ourselves away to live our lives normally (yeah, right!), but when you first get onto the GNR, it has this powerful muti that somehow draws you like a magnet to all these people that come out of the woodwork of your past. It takes a while to get to where you can just casually glance at it now and again instead of rushing to it first thing in the morning and as soon as you get home from work.

I don't mind if you call me Lynne. Just don't call me Schnookums or something like that. :)

Oh.. and whatever you do, DO NOT play the penguin game. He! He!

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 23:17:42 (UTC)


Glen Drake,
Well done man, I`ve been giggling on and off all evening at that one. More please.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 23:00:47 (UTC)


Bob,
Remember Ken at chilanga. I cant remember his surname. One day we went bombing down there in my 3 wheeler Sachs car. There were about five of us in it and Ken was in his cossy laying on the roof holding onto the window sides. One inside was Chris van heerden I think. When we got to the swimming pool car park which was gravel laid, all the meisies were lined up waiting to go in. Ya, you guessed it, one handbrake turn later everyone was totally impressed, ah, except Ken who took off from the roof like a spinning starfish and after flaring out for a perfect landing turned into tomato man. I do recall that his folks were less than impressed however. If your out there Ken please post man.


Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 21:17:49 (UTC)


Bob, did you get our E-cards for tayrn ok?


Pappy.
it`s good we start recalling things and events. here in leicester I have a neighbour each side of us. They never speak and when we did try to be communicative we were treated with great suspicion. So many people here are like this. On this site I hear from people from 40 years back who have not forgotton me and are welcoming me almost as if it were just yesterday. It makes you stand back and think. I`m even talking with Bob more than we ever have in past years. Let`s dig up more good times.
Hamba Gashela

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 21:04:35 (UTC)


This old joke always brings a smile to my face everytime I think of it so I'll just pass it on as light relief to those who've not yet heard it.
I give you the answer, then you tell me what the question was . . . . . . . O.K.?

Here is the answer : Chicken Teriyaki.

What was the Question?

The question was : Give me the name of the oldest living kamikaze pilot?

Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 21:01:53 (UTC)



Dear Diana I am afraid that I canot lay claim to be the author of that little prayer, any body who knows me would never associate me with composing prayers but I am pleased you enjoyed it and I have not got a clue who did compose it. Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 20:08:35 (UTC)


Barbara.
That was Siggy,he ended up ripping your old man off,he went into compotition with him using using your old mans gear.Bob boy named Sue,does that mean you are going to get kitted up with a bonnet and frilly knickers,Boerer style?ha!ha! post pictures,I`m sure Bruce will enjoy himself.
Linda Ross has really brought back memories of years I almost forgot about before I went a bit wild,and you know what ,you were always there,we should write a book.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 18:30:10 (UTC)


Re: Johnny Hunt- unfortunately Johnny has passed away. He was a super person and it was always a huge treat for me as a child when I was told we were going to visit "Uncle Johnny". He was quite a practical joker and had adults and children alike enthralled with his stories.

I was in Zambia in December 2002 and visited Des and Heather Hunt. They are great people, very genuine and warm. Their farm is still beautiful and it was rather surreal to return to a place where I spent much time as a child and feel like I hadn't been gone long.

Time changes much but it also changes little.

Mirana Beatty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 16:35:15 (UTC)


Diane, Thanks for the greeting for Taryn, I'll tell her tonite. Oupa en ouma 5 times! lay off the viagra!

Sue, Barry and I are going dancing tonite but since he doesn't know any local stuff here I am dressing up ( a boy named Sue) he'll enjoy that, I hope he is still light on his feet, we'll let you know how it went,

Ross, welcome to the world of GNR i have heard more from you in a week than years, shows what good medicine it is. Did you know Chipongwe means insolent? I have picked up an English Chinyanja dictionary on the web, familiar words are coming back.
Sikati wena tanda lo chakulya wena yazi fika well pleased!

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 16:19:34 (UTC)


Pappy

You know that John Jenkinson died a few years ago in Jo'burg?
Who was the bloke with blonde hair and glasses?



Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 14:05:57 (UTC)


Linda, Oh my God, I spelled your name wrong, many apologies.
Ross

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 13:58:51 (UTC)


Hi lynda and pappy,
you could be right pappy. Maybe baby bester was the one in the tube, we were both skinny enough to fit. Nowaday`s I probably would`nt fit in by myself.

Yes lynda, butch and I unfortunately decided to argue with the SAP on the roadside and paid the penalty. We were in the volvo at the time.

As for tamm, he`s had my pennyworth and wont get airtime from me in the future. I thought the dinosaurs had died out is all.


Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 13:57:25 (UTC)


I just had to comment on your prayer Johnny. It is beautiful.

Bobby,Jacky
All the best for your daughters 21st. Where does time go. I have just been told that Pierre and I are going to be grandparents for the fith time. I do not feel that old

Diana Fabel (née Jones) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kempton Park, South Africa
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 12:41:16 (UTC)


Barbara,
I sarted at the Kitwe branch with John Jenks,then I went to open the Ndola Branch with Tony Bosey,Linda the Elephant was left under the bridge,I`m sure you remember where that was.Ross only baby Bester would have been daft enough to sit on the tube with you on the back of Bobs Moke.Oh Barbara I also worked at the Lusaka branch that Siggy Roetenbach and I opened.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 11:02:51 (UTC)



And maybe a few of you will like this one,

Dear Lord,

Every single evening
As I'm lying here in bed,
This tiny little Prayer
Keeps running through my head.

God bless all my family
Wherever they may be,
Keep them warm and safe from harm
For they're so close to me.

And God, there is one more thing
I wish that you could do,
Hope you don't mind me asking
Please bless my computer too.

Now I know that it's unusual
To Bless a motherboard,
But listen just a second
While I explain it to you, Lord.

You see that little metal box
Holds more than odds and ends,
Inside those small compartments
Rest so many of my friends.

I know so much about them
By the kindness that they give,
And this little scrap of metal
Takes me in to where they live.

By faith is how I know them
Much the same as you,
We share in what life brings us
And from that our friendships grew.

Please take an extra minute
From your duties up above,
To bless those in my address book
That's filled with so much love.

Wherever else this prayer may reach
To each and every friend,
Bless each e-mail inbox
And each person who hits send.

When you update your Heavenly list
On your own CD-ROM,
Bless everyone who says this prayer
Sent up to GOD.com.

AMEN



Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 07:26:07 (UTC)



I dont know what substance this message has but to be fore warned is to be fore armed, My informant told me that there is to be a bad virus attack on Bill Gates products from all places Russia today, but dont take any wooden nickels. Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 07:16:51 (UTC)


Michael Minne, Jan Budkowski, Bob Eglington, Barry Thorley, Alex Lawrence, Robin Stevens

Best wishes on your birthday





Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 07:08:18 (UTC)



Good morning campers a little smile to start the day I have sent it out to a few of my close friends but think it is worthy of sharing with you all and there is no reference to artichokes in it Johnny.
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A woman walks into a chemist shop and tells the pharmacist she wants to buy some arsenic.
He says, "What do you want with arsenic?"
She says, "I want to kill my husband because he cheats on me by having sex with another woman."
The pharmacist says, "I can't sell you arsenic so you can kill your husband, even if he is having sex with another woman."
So she reaches into her pocket and pulls out a picture of her husband having sex with the pharmacist's wife.
The pharmacist says, "Oh, I didn't realise you had a prescription."
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 07:08:02 (UTC)


Petronella Smith

Did you send me an e-mail or is it the blasted (latest)worm playing silly games with me?

I received an e-mail but there was no message in it, just that you had "found me on the GNR".

Please write again if your message was genuine.

Thanks,
June.

June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 06:13:56 (UTC)


Kathy Smith:

I still have my pink National Registration Card, but I would not dare send it in to be posted. I look like a Borstal inmate... oh wait... I think I was. He! He! I also still have my green Residents Permit book, or whatever it was. That is equally scary to look at now. I was supposed to surrender it when I left Lusaka for the last time, but the immigrations official took one look at it, screamed "UH! Maieeeeeeeweh!!" and flung it back at me in terror. I heard he is still running now. He! He! I did keep it, just in case, but I am sure they still have my poster at all entry points to Zambia.

Bob Gillies:

You have to enlighten me on the famous trip back from South Africa for Butch and Ross. I heard they got themselves into a pickle with the South Africa police, but never did get the full story. Wasn't Butch still driving his Volvo sportscar then? I remember them both coming to see me with hip hugging, bell-bottomed corduroys so tight they could not sit down, white belts ("I'm too sexy for my belt, too sexxxy..") and side burns all the way down to heeeere on their cheeks. Ah, yes, those were the days. By the way, I am still waiting for my photos that you promised me from the Durban party you went to recently???

Ross Gillies:

Be careful what you wish for, my friend. You are opening yourself up to all sorts of stories about yourself, especially if your memory is not as good as it used to be. Everybody has a good story about someone else, so passop and deny everything. Word from the wise to the newcomer - don't waste time with taking Tamm on. That's what he thrives on and the rest of us couldn't care less about what he has to say. It's always a stir up kick for him, so don't give him the satisfaction.

Pappy:

Were you with us the night we were all coming back from the Tudor Inn, and some bright spark decided to stop and steal a concrete elephant that was at the end of a driveway on the road back? I was driving my green Ford Escort in those days and the guys chucked it in my boot. I was stuck with that bleddy thing for ages. I think we finally ended up dumping it in that area off of either Kantanta Street or Central Street that we used to go to after sessions.

Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 04:59:56 (UTC)


Murder at OK Bazaars

Tired of constantly being broke and stuck in an unhappy marriage, a young husband decided to solve both problems by taking out a large insurance policy on his wife, with himself as the beneficiary, and arranging to have her killed.

A "friend of a friend" put him in touch with a notorious underworld figure who went by the name of "Artie." Artie explained to the husband that his going price for snuffing out a spouse was $5,000.

The husband said he was willing to pay that amount but that he wouldn't have any cash on hand until he could collect his wife's insurance money. Artie insisted on being paid something up front. The man opened up his wallet, displaying the single dollar bill that rested inside. Artie sighed, rolled his eyes, and reluctantly agreed to accept the dollar as down payment for the dirty deed.

A few days later, Artie followed the man's wife to the local OK Bazaars grocery store. There, he surprised her in the produce department and proceeded to strangle her with his gloved hands. As the poor unsuspecting woman drew her last breath and slumped to the floor, the manager of the produce department stumbled unexpectedly onto the scene.

Unwilling to leave any witnesses behind, Artie had no choice but to strangle the produce manager as well. Unknown to Artie, the entire proceedings were captured by hidden cameras and observed by the store's security guard, who immediately called the police.

Artie was caught and arrested before he could leave the store. Under intense questioning at the police station, Artie revealed the sordid plan, including his financial arrangements with the hapless husband.

And that is why, the next day in the newspaper, the headline declared:




[You're going to hate me for this]






"ARTIE CHOKES TWO FOR A DOLLAR AT OK BAZAARS"




Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 04:20:47 (UTC)


John

I was also suspicious of the non-mention of "meat extract", as the taste is the same.
A woman died in Australia not so long ago from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. She evidently had visited the UK about 7 years previous to that.

Esther Pettersson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Australia
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 03:48:29 (UTC)


Hi Bobby

You say Barry is staying with you? Please say a huge 'HELLO' to him and Gayle for me. Barry was the best ball-room dancer! Sometimes, at the sessions, Gayle used to lend me Barry and I wouldn't even know where my feet were going - he appeared to float across the dance floor.
I know Chris will be interested to be remembered to Bruce as well.

Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 at 00:32:47 (UTC)


Pappy say`s
Bob can you remember,when we used to do up those Gordeanes(Renults)that Ross had and we used to paint them up with flowers and race them on the slimes dam at Mindola Dam?
I remember them and I`m sure Bob does. We used to tow someone on a sled behind the wagons and do handbrake turns to sling them off.
One day we were going there in Bob`s red Mini moke with the cooper engine in it. Me and a mate, I cant remember who, were sitting in a tractor tyre inner tube in the back of the moke. Bob must have seen some lekker meisies at the lights cos when they changed he took off like a bat out of hell. I took off like a bat from the cave roof and ended up on my a***se in the middle of the main street. It was ages before he came back to get us. He still hasn`t apologised for that one. That night I was drumming in the band at a gig and could hardly move till the alcohol kicked in.

Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 22:43:12 (UTC)



Ken Fernie your name has always sounded familiar to me maybe from the days I used to come down and spend weekends in the Ndola police camp with Vic and Shirley Schofield, on odd occasions Mike Whitehouse and his wife used to arrive there as well as you will know Mike passed away a couple of years ago but I am still in contact with Vic and Shirley good old days . Regards Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 21:26:17 (UTC)


Pappy

Which branch of DK Pestcontrol did you work for?
The name Ma Strange sounds really familiar too.

Michael

You have answered my passport query, in fact putting together everyones comments on it it now all makes sense. Thanks everyone for the help.

Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 20:48:13 (UTC)


Pappy
I have to disagree with the message below that you sent to Barbara My italics

Barbara,
if you have a British Passport, and your kids were born,in the U.K .’ or even if not,’ as long as your Passport has right of Abode.Then your kids are British.

If the kids were not born in the UK then automatic UK citizenship depends on whether either of the parents were born in the UK not if they have right of abode.

My niece was born in Lesotho in 1980 where her parents were temporary residents. Her mother and father are both UK citizens with right of Abode but born in Zambia and Zimbabwe respectively. When my niece was a few months old the family moved over the border to .S A
It eventually dawned on everyone that she was stateless. She did not have Lesotho citizenship and definitely not British She had dubious claims to Zambian and Zimbabwean; She eventually had to apply for S A citizenship because she grew up there.
The laws on citizenship have since been tightened and not relaxed

Mike



Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 20:13:27 (UTC)


Ken Fernie,

Now that really is a blast from the past.
Greetings from Zambia to you and yours.

Lynn Szeftel (née Mayoss) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 18:02:52 (UTC)


Re: Bovril/Marmite.
My previous posting should have read bulbous ( very round) jar. Typing error.

Going through the "Looking for" I saw the name Stephen Bacon. Is this the same Steve bacon as in Zambian Olympic Medalist for weight-lifting?

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 17:26:08 (UTC)


Barbara,
if you have a British Passport,and your kids were born,in the U.K. or even if not,as long as your Passport has right of Abode.Then your kids are British.
Bob can you remember,when we used to do up those Gordeanes(Renults)that Ross had and we used to paint them up with flowers and race them on the slimes dam at Mindola Dam?Thats when you were staying at Ma Stranges.Say howzit to Barry,we were in the church choir together.Bruce and I used to hang out together when we were at the Convent School.Old man wright used to be head hancho at Radio Ltd.Does he remember me.

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 17:14:28 (UTC)


Hi everyone,

Craig - thanks for all your help - once again. Have read the site daily and have been so frustrated not being able to sign on.

Doug, the folk in the photos of Chirupula were Les and Jean Ward, my Mother (Eleanor Robertson) and a chap called Tommy Mullins. I have a copy of the Jungle Pathfinder by Kathaleen Stevens Rukavina, which he signed for Mom - and amended a few pages here and there.

Charlie - great hearing from you this morning - Sorry I won't be down on the 13th but will see you the following weekend - give me the name of your local and we can have a "sundowner" on the Friday evening.
Maybe we can get Nigel P. and Linda (nee Smart) to join us? Glad to hear you're up and about now. Maybe it's time for another King George VI Reunion now that you're well on the mend!!!!



Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 15:52:44 (UTC)


Ross -AAAh, now we have 2 x Gillies on the GNR, heaven help us. Pappy , Ross had ducked to Rhodesia when the black Cadillac ended up with the cops. As did the Hillman Imp almost. Apparently Tommy had borrowed someone elses chequebook and bought them with it. Ross may say whether he new anything about this as he had the Imp, (gift from benevolent mate Tommy)but left it with me when he emigrated through Livingstone the night after he came back from S.A. through Chirundu (familiar Ross?) Was this your return from the trip to S.A. with Butch and lady with child? Anyway,Tommy's brother came to me at work pretending to be a cop and wanted to take the Imp but I asked him for I.D. and he scarpered. But then Duly's came and took the Imp, without any fuss but I bought it off them later as a repo that the owner (Ross) had let payments lapse. Duly's was mad with me when they found out Ross was my brother cause I got it for the outstanding balance whilst the deposit had been from a dubious cheque still in question with the cops. I also tried to track down the Caddy that the cops had as it was going on auction and I wanted desperately to buy it and have it sprayed pink (sies but I was only 20). If you guys did dump it on the road perhaps the cops found it and towed it in. Pity, it was a great car, silent and huge, could get the full drum set in the boot and close the lid. Never found it, hope you see Pappy one day, there are many more of your old buddies very near you, round them up or go to the next GNR Reunion in UK. Meanwhile for anyone who remembers Barry Wright (brothers Bruce & Ian) he is staying with me for a week, ex Zim and says Hi.

For anyone who knows my daughter Taryn she is 21 tomorrow!!! Whee!!

Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 15:51:00 (UTC)


Marmite and Bovril.

Both are packaged in a similar looking bulbour brown jar.

Marmite is a concentrated yeast extract paste and is 100% vegetarian, (Yellow screw top).

Bovril is the trademarked name of a thick, salty beef extract, (Red screw top).

I would guess that the clamps have been put on imports/exports of Bovril only.

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 15:36:56 (UTC)


Pappy

When my dad went down south he took the triumph spitfire with him, but unfortunately, much to my dismay as I was hoping to take possession of it one day, it was sold.

Heather

It sounds like a complete minefield for you, I think that I will have to just go the long way round for the children to obtain British citizenship-a bit of a pain really as it sounds as though the rules have been bent to suit the times. Thanks for the info anyway.

Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 15:20:30 (UTC)


Barbara,
Dave Kerr also used to be the driving test examiner in Kitwe.Does your da still like his sports cars,I always remember him cruising about in his open top triumph,I think it was.
Ross will keep in touch,on your e-mail address.
Do you remember that big black gangster car we used to cruise in,we ended up dumping it on the Brokenhill(Kabwe)road.did that belong to Tommy

Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 14:34:35 (UTC)


Kerels,
I am humbled.
To all those kind souls who have implored me to continue posting I shall comply and thankyou.
Living in the UK the most politically correct country in the world I think, you become over sensitive and I think Lynn was merely making her point, and I was the one going over the top. Nuff said.
Who the heck is this Tamm fella. I`ve just read one or two of his posts. Take a chill pill pal or peddle your racist claptrap elsewhere. Jeez!!! I am ex RLI and I saw time alongside KAR black troopers. There`s no one I would rather have had at my back than them. Now we are all getting browner as the world shrinks and the saying "no man is an island" has never been truer. Your attitude will win nothing for nobody that`s useful to anybody.
Pappy we must get in touch as you could probably refresh and fill out the past. As I said my long term memory is faulty due to a past trauma but reading Bob`s posts and others is bringing things back to me. How I wish I could turn the clock back to experience the most wonderful childhood and teenage years all over again.
Bob mentions childhood pranks. I wonder if you remember this one Broth. Take a 2 foot pipe. Close one end, insert two lit penny flashbombs and jam a green Mango into the pipe. Aim pipe like a Mortar at the sky (best done at night) and after the bang wait for the sound of a very dense mango making it`s way down some poor souls roof a couple of hundred yards away accompanied by lights going on all over the place. He He!!



Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 13:58:12 (UTC)


Who mentioned chocolate logs?? Absolutely gorgeous. My sister is coming for a holiday in March and has instructions to bring some (and peppermint crisps!). Can't wait... blow the diet for a while. She goes back to SA armed with Fry's Creams...

Has anyone still got their National Registration Card? (issued after independence). Mine is dated 19.1.66 and I was told to return it 'when you die' - so I've still got it....... Would send a copy but I don't have a scanner. Perhaps if I meet up with Arthur sometime - who lives about 2 miles away...he might do it for me.... small world hey?



Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 12:33:09 (UTC)



June if it tastes exactly the same they maybe conveniently
forgot to add to the list of contents on the front, meat extract? as a matter of interest right through the scare of mad cow disease i continued to eat ox tails which I believe were the most dangerous of the meat as it was supposed to come from the spinal chords, and as I know I am classed as mad by quite a few of the contributors to thr GNR I can assure you it is not the result of eating suspect cows, so you enjoy your your sandwiches I do ,Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 09:26:23 (UTC)


Peter Clark, Jonathan Seward, Jackie Slade, Rupert Johns, Lucille Cook

Best wishes on your birthday


Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 05:25:31 (UTC)


June Bohl

I was mortified when they also banned Bovril in Australia due to Mad Cow. Just recently though I found it back on the shelves and the ingredients are listed as: Yeast Extract, Maltodextrin, Salt, Rice Flour, Colour, (E150c), Flavourings, Waxy Maize Starch, Lactic Acid, Flavour Enhancer (Disodium 5-ribonucleotides), Niacin, Thiamin, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Spice Extracts, Celery Extract, Vitamin B12. It also says "Suitable for Vegetarians"........no mention at all of the old "Meat Extract"
Its so amazing that it tastes EXACTLY the same it it always did.... :-)))

Esther Pettersson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Australia
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 04:53:28 (UTC)


Syd

Reading the postings this morning I note your interest in Garratts. I had an Uncle based in Salisbury who used to maintain these magnificent locos also another uncle who drove one in Northern Rhodesia.

When I left Zambia in 1966 I caught the mail train at Mazabuka and when it pulled into Choma I spotted my aunt (one of my mother’s sisters) on the earthen platform. It was her husband who had driven the engine of the train on the first leg of my 2000 mile rail journey to Cape Town to catch the SS Oranje to Southampton.

Heather

Whilst at Boarding School at Gilbert Rennie either late 64 or early 65 all of us boys had to file into the Gym where officials sat at desks and in turn we were all asked if we would prefer to have a Zambian Passport or a British Passport. Depending on the answer given you were then handed a card filled in by the official. The card was either a green colour or a light red from memory. I recall green for a British Passport and red for a Zambian. We were told to keep the cards with us.

My Northern Rhodesian Birth Certificate states Birth registered in the Broken Hill District of the Territory of Northern Rhodesia. My birth certificate also confirms at the bottom that it is a true copy of an entry of the above particulars in the Register of Births kept at Livingstone.


Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Monday, February 02, 2004 at 04:32:15 (UTC)


Syd,

You're welcome and I also found a site selling Garratt videos

Just type Garratt in Google and you'll find loads more stuff.

By the way I'm interested in your photos - if you want to have any on display here on the GNR see the instructions at the bottom of this page.

Arthur


Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 22:45:37 (UTC)


Arthur,
Thank you for the photo site you posted, not only were there photos of Garratts but also a lot of other info we steam nuts like to look at and read about.

Neil,
Your info on the WHR site has a link to a sim site where not only am I able to gain info about African loco' in the UK but as I have the MS Train Simulator I can do a bit of driving.
Gentalmen, Thank you both.
Syd

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 22:21:56 (UTC)


Heather

When Northern Rhodesia became Zambia everyone born in the country had the option of either accepting Zambian or British citizenship regardless of where one’s parents were born By everyone I think if you were white or perhaps not lAfrican.. This should have included you.but the authorities involved ensured that this law did not become common knowledge .I imagine that that they did not want any more British citizens than were necessary.
I think everyone who was born or was living in Zambia before 1947 was automatically entitled to a British passport and if this applies to your parents it explains why they have them.
I suppose that you have now renounced your S.A citizenship. If you haven’t then a S.A passport might be better for travelling around the world (I am only guessing) but not for living in Zambia.
Incidentally Northern Rhodesia was never a colony I think it was a protectorate I am not very knowledgeable on the subject but I believe it had a great bearing on whether you automatically had Brit citizenship or not
If either of your parents (or perhaps it had to be your father) were UK born of course it didn’t matter.
I recently applied for a computer course at a local college
and the application form required my birthplace.
My entry of Lusaka automatically induced their computer to send me a form asking me if I was an asylum seeker etc etc.
To clear up any misunderstanding I went to the
college with passport in hand explaining I was a British citizen with 31 years residence in England
They were quite amused but very apologetic and then said I would have been better off if I had been an asylum seeker as the course would then have been free of charge. I had to fork out£100 for the privilege.

Mike.


Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 22:05:44 (UTC)


Yes, come on back and post, young Rossley!
We would not treat you harshly, crossly.
"The Last Post" sounds so mournf'lly sadly!
We're sure we'll come to love you madly.
Come speak of chocolate logs and choo choos.
Tell of old wildebeeste or new gnus.
And you should know I've constant creases
In my smalls. The "charf" ne'er ceases.
Moer than you know my posts cause snickers
I constantly unknot my knickers.
And for the rest, I now confesses
As an aside as I P.S.es:
The reason for this verse is - plainly
'Tis not my strength to post germainely.


Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 22:04:52 (UTC)


Donald,

Here's a good site with plenty of African Garratt photos

When I was in Zambia last September I visited the railway museum in Livingstone - this I believe is another David Shepherd supported project. In September last year I posted a few photos I took of some of the engines there on the GNR Message Board.

Heather will have a lot more info I'm sure.

Arthur


Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 20:15:13 (UTC)


Donald,
You're quite right. Not only did they ship over the locos, they also shipped the track. My father-in-law is very involved with the WHR as a volunteer. Well worth a visit, as you can also take in the Porthmadoc to Ffestiniog trip.
The best website is
http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ml/whr/

Neil.

Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 20:04:28 (UTC)


Thanks for the information about the East Somerset Railway and David Shepherd. I have been to the site a number of times. They have an old 9th class Loco (ex Cape Railways befor it was sold to the RR) and two coaches. All were in poor state of repair but will be as good as new by the time they are finished with them. I have also been informed of Two old S. African Garratt s that once pulled the Banana Express in Natal, which are now pulling trains on the Welsh narrow gauge lines in North Wales. I will visit just as soon as I can. I have tried to find some film of Garratts from Central Africa but so far not a lot of luck. There is a site on the internet where someone is building a S.African Garratt but it is not finished yet although the work sofar is the best sim of a loco I have come across. The download takes about 5 mins on dialup and is worth a view even if you not intrested in Locos, The address is http://homepage.ntlworld.com/slsim/#HOME

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 19:28:50 (UTC)



Northerners in the Cape Town Area


(or anyone who feels like joining us)


on Friday 13th February 2004
there will be a get together of all
Northerners who are able to attend in

Cape Town

The venue and time have not yet been finalised
but as soon as this is done we will post a message.

If you would like to attend or think you might be in the area,
please email me.





Gwyn Jones

Best wishes on your birthday





BARBARA DOHERTY

I don't know what the situation is for people born in Southern Rhodesia, but I cannot get a British passport even though I was born in a British Colony (my parents were not born in Britain although they have British passports but that is because they were resident in Zambia at the time of the break up of the Federation and were given that opportunity. They do not, however, have the right of abode in Britain). So I suspect you have one because your parents were born there.

I now have an additional problem - when I was 21, I did not specifically (i.e. in writing and all the bureaucracy that goes with it) renounce my right to South African citizenship which I have through my parents. The result of this is that I have had to apply to have 'my Zambian citizenship restored' and am now travelling on a 'restricted' passport; restricted in that it is only valid for two years as opposed to ten.

I am sure you can imagine my response when they told me this - first off I told them I was going down to Central Police Station so that they could arrest me as an illegal immigrant. Next, I was off to Kawambwa to the refugee camp and the 'UNHCR could look after me since I am now stateless'.

Then I calmed down and went off and made all the hundreds of photocopies they want of my school reports and everything else. My mother even had my 'Infant Weight Record' from the hospital, so I copied that as well !! I now await the outcome except they keep telling me 'it is only a formality'. I just don't understand why a formality takes more than a year. But I guess they have so many 'formalities' to process because I understand from the passport office that there are 'over two hundred' people affected.

In the meantime, I will keep renewing my passport and I still have to get visas for everywhere I travel except Southern Africa and the COMESA region. And in Europe, the authorities all have a very good look at me (and my passport) as if to say 'is this another asylum seeker?'.

Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 19:13:51 (UTC)


Donald,

I think that near you and Shepton Mallet there is the somethingorother somerset WS railway which has some of the very important and retrieved locomotives, by David Shepard(?) of African Wildlife and early earoplane paintings fame. Look this up as there are persons there who run the railway who are as enthusiastic as you.

David,

Mita Hills was indeed what you said at the far end was the dam and in between the flooded valley with the obsolete trees looking like ghosts in the late afternoon, and a great opportunity for your lure to get hooked on, but I do not remember the people you mention. I did go to stay in Kabwe with a friend Dave Fowler, from Anglo etc, Kitwe, and our host Alan Chicken. (this is not a joke). We went fishing the Lukanga Swamps, following and ignoring all the leftover tissues from previous visitors to find our way and back from the lake itself. We sometimes has to physicly(?) push away the reeds to find a channel back. Yet again croc infested?? I feel bold enough to say that all I caught was sunburn...shame on me...

The cabin we had at Mita was shared with Andy Vercuille ,
the fishing was great just after the dam was built, but soon got fished out with local fishing practices.

Lesley,

You make me drool.. the first taste of chocolate we had was when the zantam was being built and we had Ma-ling beans in tins, pork in tins and lovely chocolate for Christmas!

Mulenga Johnny,

you are a star, I love you already. Let me know who your friends are in Garneton, your Donna.

PS If I do catch that big perch the fish and chips are on me.

donna jane

Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 18:29:30 (UTC)




Lesley...Those are my absolute favorites too, Peppermint Crisps have changed the wrapper somewhat and as for the logs, I remember passing through London and seeing them at Heathrow airport, where you could buy a whole box of them, that was some time back...I now order mine from a supplier in Canada...
They are South African chocolates and also the Provita, when my sister's in-laws went to live in UK, they requested she bring them a supply of Provita from South Africa. We do get some Cadburys chocolates here but not as good as the ones from S.Africa.
Bovril is now banned in the US as it is a beef product, you know it could have come from mad cows, maybe that is what has affected my brain... ha, ha..

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 18:08:43 (UTC)


Ken

Yes Dave was the original owner of DK Pestcontrol, my dad went into partnership with Dave and then bought Dave out as Dave wanted to return to the UK. Still good to speak to someone that knew Dave though.

Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 17:50:07 (UTC)


Hi Lesley

go to www.biltong.co.uk which is the Susman establishment at Newhaven, you will be able to buy as many chocolate logs and peppermint crisps as you want but they will be smaller than you remember

Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 17:47:28 (UTC)


Mmmm. Talking about food....does anyone remember Chocolate Logs and Peppermint Crisps, my two favourite chocolate bars from back in the fifties? I don't know if they were a South African brand or imported from UK. Peppermint Crisps were flattish and rectangular with a crisp mint centre (not soft like Aero) and a distinctive red, blue and green (?) wrapper which looked a bit like a Union Jack .
A few years ago we started getting South African 'pro vita' crackers in our local supermarket here. Unfortunately they weren't stocked for very long. I practically used to live on prov vita, cheese and apples when I was at college in Durban. This was probably something to do with being a borderline anorexic after putting lots of weight on at boarding school in Pietermaritzburg!

Lesley Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Horsham, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 17:02:55 (UTC)



To Northerners now living in the USA, who like to shop, I thought I would pass this on. Recently while shopping at 'Cost Plus' World Markets located throughout the US, I discovered that they NOW carry some South African products, such as, Mrs Balls Chutney, Anchovette Fishpaste, Cadbury's (South African) Flake bars, Turkish Delight, Top Deck etc., Golden Syrup and Marmite etc, etc.,
Their prices are a lot cheaper than these other independent retailers of S.A. goods. To locate your nearest store go to " wwwcostplus.com" very convenient and no shippping charges...

June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 16:41:29 (UTC)


Barbara, I think I'm getting my kapadula in a knot.
DK Pest Control was started by Dave Kerr, to whom I referred as your father. I assumed Dave is your Dad. Sorry for any misunderstanding

Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 15:50:34 (UTC)


Heather,

Thank you and as confirmed by Jack it is the same Des Hunt. Any update from anybody re John Hunt ex Mita Hills mid 1970's.

Jack,

By now you should have received my email giving details of Kabwe Mine.

With reference to scanning and posting photographs on the Message Board I am experiencing a similar learning curve problem but I'm sure we will get there eventually.

David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 15:36:00 (UTC)


A bit of help please
I am a bit of a railway nut who worked on the footplate of the RR in the 60's. Although my working time was spent in Rhodesia I went to school in N'dola (Llewellin High) I am after any photos of steam and any film of Garratts. 14,15,16 & 20th class. I would also like to get any sound recordings, and if possable a map of the railway from Livingstone to Bulawayo which is where I worked. I was stationed in Bulowayo, Dett and TJ and worked with Dickie Mc Donald, Sam Mc Knight and Jr Hodgson all of whom were stationed at Livingstone as drivers. I do have some old photos I have taken myself if anyone wants a copy. Thanks

Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 15:26:14 (UTC)


Rossley, Rossley, Rossley!
Puulease don't say you'll never post again! Deumbrage yourself and unknot your knickers. I am sure Lynn didn't mean to be harsh. She was just setting the record straight.

Please carry on posting! It is always nice to see someone other than us regular wafflers posting.

Cheers - Doug

Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 13:07:03 (UTC)


Ken

I am sure my dad will enjoy hearing that you have been in touch, I will let him know when I next speak to him as well as greetings from Pappie. I am writing a book on all my dad's wonderful stories and need some new material. I didn't know that he stayed in a police camp in Ndola, do you have any amusing tales to tell or anything interesting, I would love to hear them. Who was Dave? Was it Dave Kerr? Lovely to hear from you.



Barbara Doherty [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 11:15:01 (UTC)


Barbara Doherty,
Next time you contact your dad, tell him I said Hi!
We shared a house in Wilkinson Police Camp in Ndola -
Dave was in C.I.D. (Dog Section), I was in Traffic at the time. We also bumped into each other a couple of times in Lusaka in the 70's.
Best wishes from California

Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 02:17:45 (UTC)


Re-posting a message I posted late last month. Thanks.


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  • Please use the password-recovery form to have your user ID and password sent to you if you have lost them before your cancel your current e-mail address.
Most members maintain their Names Directory entry with little or no fuss and little or no help from me, and for that I thank you. I am glad that people care enough about the GNR to keep their contact information on the site current.

However, I have been receiving a steady stream of requests these days from people asking me to update the e-mail address in their entry. My first response is always to tell people that they can do it themselves by logging into their entry at http://www.greatnorthroad.org/names/edit.php. Additionally I add that, if you have forgotten your user ID and/or password, you can have them sent to the e-mail address currently in your entry by entering that e-mail address into the password-recovery form at http://www.greatnorthroad.org/names/lost_password.php. Obviously you need to enter the e-mail address that is known to the Directory; if you enter any other address, the form will respond by saying that it has no record of that address, so it can't send your user ID and password to you because it doesn't know which ones to send you and, besides, even if it could magically guess which ones you wanted, it doesn't know that you are authorised to have them.

For those that might wonder why I can't just do it for you and so save you the hassle, please take a look at the number of members in the top, right-hand corner of this page. As I write this is stands at 1374. Is it reasonable that I ask you to maintain your own entry, or is it reasonable that I have to maintain 1374 entries? Members who have been around long enough will remember the time when I did do it all myself before the automated log-in system was put in place (when we only had a couple of hundred members), and they will also remember that I was so far behind that the Names Directory was useless.

The problem comes when people cancel the e-mail address that is in their Directory entry before updating their entry with their new address. The people I usually hear from have forgotten their user ID and/or password, therefore, they can't log in. However, because they have already cancelled their old e-mail address that is in the Names Directory, the password-recovery form is useless to them as they will never see the log-in information it sends to their old address and it doesn't recognise their new address.

This is where I have to take a risk that the person sending me an e-mail message with their tale of woe really is who they say they are, and not some Nigerian trying to take over an existing member's entry for the purpose of spamming the GNR. (That's only one example of what could be happening and why.) However, I don't take their word for it immediately; as it says at the bottom of the Names Directory page, "If you neglect to [have your user ID and password sent to you before you cancel your old e-mail address] you will have to go through a very annoying (to you) process to prove to us that you really are who you say you are." This involves the exchange of several e-mail messages where I appear to be rather stupid because I am asking strange questions repetitively, especially if you don't answer them the first time I ask; the process is annoying to me too, actually, so don't think for a minute that I enjoy running you through the wringer.

In the past this has usually gone well; I have updated the member's entry and he or she is reinstated as an active member with a working e-mail address and so can log in to post on the message board. However, sometimes (and more often recently) some people have apparently become annoyed (I did warn you) at the process and given up. Then I don't hear from them, and I am not going to chase after them and beg them to complete the process; after all, I have another 1373 members to worry about. Then a month later they try again, chiding me by telling me they tried a month ago to do this, as if the whole thing is my fault. However, at that point I have to begin the process again, and a couple of people have partially completed the process more than once before disappearing yet again. In fact, there are a handful of you still out there in limbo in this process.

I hope that explains how the system works. It's much the same on any other membership site that you or I belong to, so it's not as if we are asking too much on this site for you to keep a record of your user ID and password somewhere where you will be able to access it so that you can maintain your membership on the GNR.

If you have any questions or concerns about this, please post them here so that we can all benefit from any discussion that arises. Thanks.


Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, February 01, 2004 at 00:26:09 (UTC)


A NEW MONTH, A NEW MESSAGE BOARD

The message board is archived at 23:58 (GMT, aka UTC) on the last day of every month. This message is just a reminder that the messages from last month have not disappeared into the bit bucket. They can still be found in the archives. On the archives page you will find links to every message board since its inception.

Following are some tips and suggestions for using this message board and the rest of the site. These notes were last updated on March 17th, 2005.

Important Notes
  • All posts to this message board are logged.
  • You must log in with your user ID and password to post a message.
  • Lost your password? Get it through the password-retrieval form.
  • If you don't see your post after you have submitted it, try clicking your browser's reload or refresh button.
  • Spam will be deleted immediately and the offending member suspended.
  • The small images of the fish eagle's head are a clue that you will see a photograph if you click on it. Pictures will open in a new window.
  • To have your pictures displayed on the message board, please read the submission instructions.
  • The Great North Road is not responsible for and does not necessarily endorse the contents of messages posted here.
  • You can read some more notes and helpful hints on the tips page.
Posting Messages

Only members in good standing may post messages, and a user ID and password are required to post. If the e-mail address in your Names Directory entry no longer works, you will not be able to post; please log in to rectify this situation. To apply for membership, please add your information to the Names Directory.

Lost Passwords

If you have lost your user ID and/or password, you can have them sent to you through the password-retrieval form.

Responding to Messages

To make responding to old (or any) messages easier, you can open a previous message board in a new browser window by right-clicking (assuming you're using a Windows-based PC) the link to the appropriate month on the archives page, and then selecting "Open in New Window", "Open Link in New Window", "Open Link in New Tab", or something similar from the pop-up menu that appears. (You can also just hold down the "Shift" key while you click the link to do the same thing.) That way you can refer to the message to which you are replying while you are typing your reply in the original browser window.

Preserving Threading in Message Replies

The message board includes the ability to "reply" to messages. If you are going to reply to a message (as opposed to starting a new message), please keep your reply on the topic of the message to which you are replying. If you are going to address multiple topics in a single message or are not going to reply on the topic of a particular message, then you should start a new message.

Finding Text on the Message Board

Considering each message board can get quite large, it can be quite a challenge to find a particular word or name, especially if you're sure that you saw that word or name somewhere before. There's a much easier way to search the page than scrolling through hundreds of messages until you're cross-eyed. On Windows-based computers, you can just hit Ctrl+F; in Internet Explorer a small search box will appear on top of the message board (assuming that you already have the message board open) and in Mozilla Firefox a search box will appear at the bottom of the browser window. Just type the word or words for which you are searching into the box, then hit the Enter key (in Internet Explorer) or follow the highlighting (in Firefox) to see where your browser stops as it searches for the word. Repeat as often as necessary to find all instances of your search term.

Getting Your Browser to Remember Passwords

Most (if not all) modern Web browsers have some sort of mechanism for remembering the user IDs and passwords required for some Web sites. To get the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer (used by about 90% of GNR visitors) to remember the passwords you have to enter into a Web page:
  1. Click on Tools then Internet Options.
  2. Click on the Content tab.
  3. Click on the AutoComplete button.
  4. Click to put a check mark in the "User names and passwords on forms" field.
  5. Click OK, then click OK again.
To get Mozilla Firefox (upon which Netscape Navigator is based, so the instructions are probably about the same) to remember your user IDs and passwords, do the following:
  1. Click on Tools then Options.
  2. Click the Privacy icon.
  3. Click Saved Passwords.
  4. Click to put a check mark in the "Remember Passwords" field.
  5. Click OK.
You should still keep a record of your passwords somewhere, as your passwords will all be lost if you have to do something like reinstall Windows.

Submitting Images for Posting

If you would like to have an image posted here, but do not have a server on which to post the image, please read the submission instructions and the "Contributing to this Site" page for some important tips on scanning pictures.

Contacting Posters

In an attempt to defeat spammers who would like to collect e-mail addresses from this message board, e-mail addresses of posters are not shown; instead, a link to the poster's Names Directory entry (or a contact form for non-members) is added at the end of each message, through which members can contact the poster should they so desire. (Message boards prior to April 2002, accessible only to members once logged in, do show "broken" e-mail addresses.) E-mail addresses are not shown in the Names Directory either; instead, a Web-based form is used to initiate contact. If you already know the e-mail address of the person you would like to contact, we suggest that you use regular e-mail rather than using the Names Directory system. Only members may use the Web-based contact system.

Complaints

The Great North Road is not responsible for and does not necessarily endorse the contents of messages posted on the message board. If you have a complaint about a poster's message, complain directly to that poster. Do not contact the GNR with complaints about a message posted unless you are quite certain that the message in question contravenes either criminal or civil legislation. In your complaint, ensure that you quote the legislation and the jurisdiction in question and (preferably) provide a link to a copy of the legislation on the Web, published on an authoritative (i.e., government) Web site. Threats of a general nature will be ignored; death threats will be (and have been) reported to the appropriate law-enforcement authorities.

Contacting Someone Responsible for the GNR

Several people are responsible for keeping this site operational; each is responsible for different areas of the site. While each of us reads this message board to a differing extent, you should use e-mail if you want to contact one of us for a specific reason and require a response. We may miss your message if you post it on the message board.

Have fun!


The Great North Road -- Northern Rhodesians Worldwide [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
1st of the Month, 2004 at 00:00:00 (GMT, aka UTC)


Important Notes:

  • All posts to this message board are logged.
  • You must log in with your user ID and password to post a message.
  • Lost your password? Get it through the password-retrieval form.
  • If you don't see your post after you have submitted it, try clicking your browser's reload or refresh button.
  • Spam will be deleted immediately and the offending member suspended.
  • The small images of the fish eagle's head are a clue that you will see a photograph if you click on it. Pictures will open in a new window.
  • To have your pictures displayed on the message board, please read the submission instructions.
  • The Great North Road is not responsible for and does not necessarily endorse the contents of messages posted here.
  • You can read some more notes and helpful hints on the tips page.


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