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Anyone know anything about old NR SR and Southafrican stamps?
I found an envelope (spring cleaning, without much success), containing, amongst others, two l916 SouthAfrican 3D stamps. I also have quite a few Zambian first day covers from l964 - 1972. If anyone ha s any ideas of where on the internet I might find a buyer please email me. There are some really old Belgian Congo stamps as well as UK coronation in the 20's.
Thanks
Meg (I was attacked today by a manic dentist, who looked more like a surfer, with bloodshot eyes and an unhealthy zest for drilling. 4 injections and half an hour of terror, I emerged battered but not down, hence the terse posting of this evening.)
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 22:47:26 (UTC)
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Hi campers I am back at last after suffering to much with the dreaded PC lurgy, this is a little test piece for me it may bring on a smile to some of you I hope. Johnny.
Two elderly women were out driving in a large car. Both could barely see over the dashboard. As they were cruising along, they came to an intersection. The stoplight was red but they just went on through. The
woman in the passenger seat thought to herself, "I must be losing it. I could have sworn we just went through red light." After a few more minutes they came to another intersection, the light was red, and again they went right through. This time, the passenger was almost sure that the light had been red, but was also concerned that she might be seeingthings. She was getting nervous and decided to pay very close attention. At the next intersection, sure enough, the light was definitely red and they blew right through it. She turned to the other woman and said, "Mildred! Did you know that you ran through three red lights in a row? You could have killed us!" Mildred turned to her and said, "Oh Shit! Am I driving?"
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 22:24:38 (UTC)
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Ronald Dobkins, Ken Jones
Best wishes on your birthday
New world record Golden Perch caught at Kasaba Bay, Lake Tanganyika in the Zambia National Fishing competition 2004 by Alan Mc Nab.
24.2 kg perch on 6 kg breaking strain line !
Not the biggest one ever caught, but the biggest one every caught on a line. The previous one was caught in a net
Arthur - you'd better include Lake Tanganyika on your next trip
Kevin Shone
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 14:52:01 (UTC)
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Dear Friends,
Now retired have moved to Spain temp. e mail address is churchjw@yahoo .com.
Other smile for to day
Englishman, Scotsman and a Irishman were discussing how far back they could remember. The Englishman said he could remember sitting in his pram, the Scotsman said he could remember the nurse hitting his backside when he was born, the Irishman said he could remember going to a dance with his father and goig home with his mother.
Jimmy
Jimmy Churchil [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia
Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 10:38:21 (UTC)
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A smile for the day. From a news incident:
A man and his wife found a bat in their bedroom one night after leaving the window open. The man went after it with a broom sending the poor thing into a frenzy surpassed only by that of his wife who ran round the room screaming. Ten minutes after the bat happily escaped out of the house a police car drew up and two officers got out.
Apparently neighbours had seen the bedroom window silhouettes of a man swinging a broom and shouting: "Get out you bat!" while a woman screamed and ran round the room. Someone had called in a domestic violence report and as a result the man spent an embarrassing ten minutes explaining before the officers accepted that his wife was not the bat in question.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 07:24:46 (UTC)
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For the CapeTonians going to the delayed Met this weekend, the bet is Yard Arm to win from Red Badge and/or Wolf Whistle. Take the trifecta a million times
Chris Swart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia
Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 07:14:49 (UTC)
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Thanks Niel
Living in Sheffield obviously keeps you sharp. It was I who found that the escape button brought up the messages quicker. I used to use it with windows 98 but now I have xp pro and an ISDN connection I had forgotten about it. Alzhiemers no doubt!
I am going nowhere slowly for the Easter hols starting tomorrow or Friday along secondary roads, to see some of South Africa that I haven't seen before. I will head in the general direction of Capetown but if I get fed up along the way I will short circuit it.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 18:26:33 (UTC)
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David Street.
If the pending registration is the same David Street as in Risk Management Services, Ruwi, Sultanate of Oman then GNR had better watch out because the Oman contingency has just been increased by 25% to a total of four registered members.
Oak trees from little acorns grow.....
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 16:31:35 (UTC)
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Craig,
Sorry - I forgot to tell you... check your lotto ticket here: http://www.lotterywest.wa.gov.au/results.cfm
Good luck! Hopefully, we'll see you very soon.
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 15:46:53 (UTC)
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My mother on behalf of the Swiss Embassy is looking for Peter Durr who lived in Pedro Flats in Dunlop Avenue in 1967 Ndola. The Durr has two little dots above, I dont know how to do that with my office computer.
Chris Swart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 14:18:51 (UTC)
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Sharing lessons learned....
E-Bay - for those bidding on E-Bay - send me a note with your email address. I can give you a few hints on sniping....
Those in Canada and travelling on Air Canada - I love sitting in business class but do not want to pay... I have a few ideas on how to upgrade to business class at no cost... Also on how to travel for example to Perth Australia from Fredericton here in Canada in Business Class with a stop over in NZ for $1,500 canadian....
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 12:23:35 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar,
You don't have to wait for the whole page to download. If you press escape after, say, 5 seconds, just the first few posts appear, 10 seconds, and more etc. I'm not claiming to have invented this one by the way, I saw it in a post here a few months ago, and it really works.
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 08:28:06 (UTC)
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Arthur
I didn't get bitten by a mosquito whilst in Zambia either -as Snoopy would say "Just call me Joe Cool!"
Great idea of yours to use my 1964 NR telephone directory to source street names in Broken Hill/Kabwe. I will find it and do a bit of photostatting/scanning and pass it on to Charlie and yourself. Should be easy - don't know whether the petrol pump had a phone number! Hope the scanner is able to accept a slightly bigger size than A4.
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 07:56:34 (UTC)
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HALT!
I will have NO nasty-ursians cast onto our Craig OR his indupitable pink thongs!
Don't you know that pink is the politically correct colour and the spaces where rubber no longer clings are badges (although unseen) of many miles travelled - many hands shaken, also a free passage to many odours which might otherwise not have an outlet?
The moral of this story is; where ere you be let your wind blow free... or in this case, have pink thongs, will travel many lands leaving no bad odours in your wake.
All hail the non-tee totalling, pink holed (feet) Cupid otherwise known as Guru Craig!
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 01:27:18 (UTC)
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Arthur,
I resemble those remarks! As someone who shall remain nameless said to me recently in reference to something else, I guess I just carry a strong alpha male scent. :) My friends in Perth will surely come to my defence... any minute now... guys? Hello?
Doug G.,
I have often thought about archiving the message board weekly, but for people who might only check it on the weekend they might miss something if they skip a weekend and don't go looking in the archives. We have a better message board planned with the oft-touted "new" GNR, but the trick is integrating it with our existing membership database so that everyone doesn't have to register all over again.
If it's any consolation, I do develop ulcers wishing certain parts of the GNR worked better. I know nobody wishes that, but I'm just trying to say that by no means am I sitting in a little dream world where I think that the GNR is perfect and doesn't need any changes to make it better. Nobody is suggesting that either, of course.
Heather,
Yes, too chicken. :) Congratulations on your achievements in Cape Town.
Jill,
Depending on how much one has had to drink, a thong or thongs can be worn anywhere... on one's head for instance ;)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 23:11:53 (UTC)
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ARTHUR
many apologies for not replying earlier to your email unfortunately I dont check that address as often as I should - the wifes address is a better proposition!!
by the way the Kabul Wienands say you are lying!
FRASER MATHIESON
likewise with the apologies, sorry that it has taken over a fortnight to find you message! but as we haven't spoken for 27 years whats a few days! Gatooma 1977(probably shouldn't say it on this site but I still miss that dorp) you have obviously been lurking, now is the time to come forward and help with street names on the BH map. Will reply to your message direct.
CHARLES
sorry that I haven't replied to some of your previous to me but im back for a few days, at least between us we got my Sister to post! going back over old ground I always thought the word foefie (often spelt fufee on a lot of SA sites) was derived from the sound of the galvanised water pipe passing over the 8 guage fence wire. Ada tells me she thinks it is derived from the state of ones underwear after a going on a scary one!
Sean married Mr cruikshanks daughter who was the owner of Proctors Garage- Sean sold me my first car a Renault 750, this replaced a Vanguard pickup. I'm finding it very difficult to put names to streets, but I only lived in the town for a year.
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 22:06:53 (UTC)
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Heather
Well done - I knew you'd do well, as always, all the hard work has paid you back. Fantastic.
David Gray
I never got bitten once by a mozzie when I was over in Zambia, perhaps this was because one of my two travelling companions had large quantities of the odorant 4-methylphenol?
I wonder if anyone at the Perth Crackerjack party noticed the sudden decline in bluebottles and blow flies flying around them as they usually would have in a place like Australia? All those pesky birds too seemed to have an unhealthy attraction to something in the air or in the vicinity. I could not help but notice that a certain person was the only one getting dive bombed by tseste flies and putsi's in the car on the way back from Mvuu. Could this be put down to a pair of far travelled and highly dosed 4-methylphenol impregnated pink slops?
The boffins have also just noticed methane on Mars. I know where that came from, he's been travelling everywhere.
There seems to be a spate of articles recently on the BBCi website regarding hopeful new research on a cure/prevention of malaria.
Here are a few:
Mosquito immunity clue to malaria
West stands accused over malaria
Chemical key to mosquito biting
Drug cocktail 'may beat malaria'
I'm going with the Indian answer, and will now carry round a fish as well as fly spray when I go to visit one of the fly ridden metric outposts of this planet.
CJ
I have had no response other than what has been posted on the message board. But, I have remembered something, Dave Gray told me a long while back that he had an old telephone directory of Lusaka, which by coincidence also had a directory of Broken Hill numbers I think he said, along with addresses. You two need to get your heads together and go through the directory taking down the names of all the different street names in Broken Hill, send me the list and I will put it up on the board with the draft map again. Memories may be jolted when people see the names, hopefully you wont have to get "Chuckky" to post again.
Ada
My new address is Kabul. Afganistan.
I will send you a postcard, someday.
Please hit the contact below and send me a message, I wrote to you recently and it wasn't spam this time, but have not had a reply. Let me know when you are both up this way.
Marg de Lange
Please also hit the contact button below and send me a message, I sent you an e-mail a few days ago and it bounced right back, but I suppose that's Canadians for you.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 18:45:07 (UTC)
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Heather
Congratulations on the awards. The Get-Away exhibition seems to have been badly advertised in the Durbanville area so I'm afraid I missed it. Why didn't you give the Capetonians a hint that you were going to be in our fair city???
Malaria Breakthrough?
The following appeared in the Sure Travel "Times" for Autumn 2004:
'After AIDS, probably the biggest killer in Africa is malaria. But there is good news - researchers have finally identified what it is that makes you so attractive to the Anopheles mosquito, the little beastie that is the carrier of the deadly disease. Yale University's John Carlson recently announced that he and his team have identified how the little critter finds its way to you. Rather than your body heat (which was previously widely believed to be the attractant), it turns out that the culprit is actually your sweat, or more precisely an odorant in it called 4-methylphenol. It is this odorant that the mosquito homes in on. "So whats so important about this?" I can hear you asking.
The answer is that rather than preventing or curing the disease through various drugs, or by trying to eradicate the mosquito through widespread use of insecticides, we now have the potential to solve the problem by avoiding getting bitten in the first place. Now that we know what attracts the mosquito in the first place, scientists can start working on screens that ensure that the mozzie doesn't pick up that you are even there. Another possibility is that we can start making decoy traps using 4-methylphenol to attract mosquitos and eradicate them far more efficiently. Seems a bit unfair I guess, but all's fair in the war against malaria I suppose!
Hope it works!
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 15:13:06 (UTC)
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Molly
I saw Jeremy Taylor perform live at a pub close to where I live about 7 or 8 months ago and I purchased his CD with Ag Pleez Deddy on it. It is produced by Gallo Record Company, and is also marketed and distributed by them. The only reference on it is 'CD Red 608'. It also has The Ballad of the Southern Suburbs,
Lift Girls Lament and many others you may recognise. It was a wonderful evening and we even managed to speak to him after the performance. It was an excellent evening.
I hope that this helps you in some way.
Arthur
My matches are dry waiting for the right moment!!!
Hope you are well. We will be up your way in the summer, maybe we could meet up somewhere. I know you won't tell me your address just in case!!!
Ada Cantrell (née Wienand) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, England
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 09:13:38 (UTC)
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Yesterday, I popped over to the new Cape Town Convention Centre to say hello to Heather, where she was exhibiting at the Getaway Show. Impressive stands, with a lot of public interest! In all, a worthwhile endeavour and Zambia was well represented – they deserv their awards.
At one of the stands, I spoke to a young man raising money for the restocking of Sable and Roan Antelope in Kruger National Park. I was shaken to hear that predation, and a form of ‘Equine Flu’, have reduced numbers to 200 and 55 respectively. During my Nimrod days, in the mid-70’s, K120 bought a Roan or Sable Antelope hunting license at Chilanga. Quite a sobering thought.
Chris Cantrell,
I recall Sean Hayden well. If I’m not mistaken, he lived at the end of Jasmine Street for many years when he was with ZBHD Co.; and a stalwart member of the Wildlife Conservation Society of Zambia. Another BH stalwart of that august body was John Rutledge, who taught at King George V1, and was awarded Honorary Life Member in the early ‘70s alongside such prominent names as WFH Ansell (wrote “Mammals of Northern Rhodesia”), Norman Carr and David Shepherd (who need no introduction).
Arthur,
Sir Roy lived at 24 Central Avenue, in BH, for some 30 years. Has anyone pinpointed its location yet? Other streets that come to mind are Wallace and Marshall Avenues, and Luapula Street. How many street names do you have now?
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 08:14:33 (UTC)
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Molly
Try this...
AG PLEEZ DEDDY
(The Ballad Of The Southern Suburbs)
Jeremy Taylor
Ag pleez deddy won't you take us to the drive-in
All six, seven of us, eight, nine, ten
We wanna see a flick about
Tarzan and the Ape-men
And when the show is over you can bring us back again
Chorus:
Popcorn, chewing gum, peanuts and bubble gum
Ice cream, candy floss and Eskimo Pie
Ag deddy how we miss
Nigger balls and liquorice
Pepsi Cola, ginger beer
and Canada Dry
Ag pleez deddy won't you take us to the fun-fair
We wanna have a ride on the bumper-cars
We'll buy a stick of candy floss
And eat it on the Octopus
Then we'll take the rocket ship that goes to Mars
Chorus
Ag pleez Deddy won't you take us to the wrestling
We wanna see an ou called Sky Hi Lee
When he fights Willie Liebenberg
There's gonna be a murder
'Cos Willie's gonna donner that blerrie yankee
Chorus
Ag pleez deddy won't you take us off to Durban
It's only eight hours in the Chevrolet
There's spans of sea and sand and sun
And fish in the aquarium
That's a lekker place for a holiday
Chorus
Ag Pleeeeeez Deddy - VOETSEK!
Ag sies deddy if we can't kraak to bioscope
Or go off to Durban, life's a henguva bore
If you won't take us to the zoo
Then what the heck else can we do
But go on out and moer all the outjies next door
Rob
Robin Stevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Southport, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 07:49:09 (UTC)
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Words to "Ag Pleeze Daddy" follow:-
Ag pleez Deddy won't you take us to the drive-in
All six, seven of us, eight, nine, ten
We wanna see a flick about
Tarzan an' the Ape-men
An' when the show is over you can bring us back again
Chorus:
Popcorn, chewing gum, peanuts an' bubble gum
Ice cream, candy floss an' Eskimo Pie
Ag Deddy how we miss
Nigger balls an' licorice
Pepsi Cola, ginger beer
and Canada Dry
Ag Pleez Deddy won't you take us to the fun-fair
We wanna have a ride on the bumper-cars
We'll buy a stick of candy floss
And eat it on the Octopus
Then we'll take the rocket ship that goes to Mars
Chorus
Ag pleez Deddy won't you take us to the wrestling
We wanna see an ou called Sky High Lee
When he fights Willie Liebenberg
There's gonna be a murder
'Cos Willie's gonna donner that blerrie yankee
Chorus
Ag pleez Deddy won't you take us off to Durban
It's only eight hours in the Chevro-lay
There's spans of sea an' sand an' sun
And fish in the aquari-yum
That's a lekker place for a holi-day
Chorus
Ag Pleez Deddy - VOETSEK!
Ag sis Deddy if we can't kraak to bioscope
Or go off to Durban, life's a heng of a bore
If you won't take us to the zoo
Then what the heck else can we do
But go on out and moere all the oukies next door
Chorus
This certainly brings back memories!!!
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 07:43:21 (UTC)
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Molly
Note your reference to a song from the 'dark' distant past. All that comes to mind other than the tune is: -
Ah plez Daddy won't you take us to the movies or was it bioscope.... All six seven of us eight nine ten.
We're gonna see..............
Chorus went something
Pop corn, chewing gum...........
Now you've started something, the tune is in my mind but the words do not come forth.
Well done, hopefully other members will recall parts and in time the whole will be achieved?
Bob Eglinton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, United Kingdom
Monday, March 29, 2004 at 06:32:40 (UTC)
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Thanks Peter
I am bidding on it!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 15:28:01 (UTC)
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Take a peek.... Book on NR to Zambia
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3597561264&category=1123
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 10:06:53 (UTC)
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Greetings GNR. A little fun!
LETTER FROM A FREE STATE FARM KID, NOW DOING BASIC TRAINING AS A COMMANDO
Dear Ma and Pa,
I am well. Hope you are. Tell my boetie Wouter and my other boetie Koos that being in the Kommandos beats working for Oom Piet by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before maybe all of the places are filled.
I was restless at first because you got to stay in bed till nearly 6 am, but am now starting to enjoying sleeping late.
Tell Wouter and Koos all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot and shine some thing. No varke to feed, no cows to milk, no mampoer to mix or braai wood to split. Practically nothing. Manne get to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water.
Breakfast is strong on fruit juice, pap, eggs, bacon, etc, but short on steaks, boerewors, chops, potatoes and other regular food like vetkoek. But tell my boeties you can always sit between two dorpies that live on coffee. Their food plus yours holds you till noon, when you get fed again.
These city boys can't walk much. We go on "route" marches, which the Sergant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it is not my place to tell him different. A "route march" is about as far as to our postbox at home. Then the dorpies from the city get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.
The country is nice, but awful flat.
This next will kill my boeties with laughter. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a dassie's head and doesn't move at all. And it isn't shooting back at you like those bliksemse Venter boys from the next door plaas. All you have to do is lie there all rustig like and hit it. You don't even have to make your own cartridges. They come in boxes.
Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with the dorpies from the city. I have to be really careful though, they break real easy. It's not like fighting with Swart Duivel, our old bull at home. I'm about the best they got in this platoon except for that Groot Jan Jordaan from somewhere in the Noord Transvaal. He joined the same time as me. But I am, only 5'6" and 130 pounds and he is 6'8'and weighs over 300 pounds, dry.
Be sure to tell my boeties to hurry and join before other okes find out about this Kommando setup and come stampeding in! Your loving daughter, Ester.
John Milton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 08:40:00 (UTC)
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Heather - congratulations to the Zambian Tourist Board and you selling The Real Africa! And getting some awards. Will you be exhibiting at the Joburg Getaway Show?
Craig, we call them slops here - thongs are definitely NOT worn on the feet!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 08:16:29 (UTC)
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I would love to hear from anyone who might have the words to Jeremy Taylor's :
Ah plez Daddy will you take us to the movies....popcorn, chewing gum, peanuts and bubblegum...etc and
The lift girls lament......which goes something like...We are the lift girls going up form floor to floor....don't lean on the buttons please, don't lean on the doors...Hey, take your hands off me..Who do you think you are..I might go a thousand feet a day, but I'm not going to go that far! ...Going up.
They were a lot of fun, and I often think of the words, from the 50's. - particularly when I travel in a lift.
It has been so exciting linking up with this wonderful web site, I have met up with many old buddies, and I've only been a member for a week....
My thanks to all concerned.
Molly Bence (formerly Angus and Hawksley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
NSW, Australia
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 05:52:31 (UTC)
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Heather
Very well done. There's a feather in your cap, Heather, if you'll excuse the pun. Great to see that the promotional effort is paying off.
Perhaps when you have time you could outline how the event is organised and who and what is involved in Zambia's participation as I'm sure many members would be interested.
Having mentioned time, I can't for the life of me think where you find enough of it anyway, what with your business interests to look after, magazine deadlines to meet, and the extent of your involvement with the GNR.
I hope you are able to enjoy interludes of calm, some R and R, in the midst of what appears to be a pretty hectic schedule.
Again, congratulations.
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 04:47:09 (UTC)
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Heather,
Congratulations on the awards. We have just got back from S.A. and we are busy scheming on how we can get back to visit Zambia. See you soon!
Cheers!
Ron Sayer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 01:54:03 (UTC)
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Heather,
CONGRATULATIONS!
Very well done! Safe journey home.
Sue & Paudie Coughlan
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Sunday, March 28, 2004 at 00:30:01 (UTC)
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Craig - you were just too chicken to try out the rough riders!
Serious now.
Am in Cape Town at the moment where Zambia has, for the first time, exhibited at the Cape Getaway Show. We have had an enormous response but most important of all is that we have won two of the eight (I think) awards - the Getaway Heading Out and the Best Southern African Country. All the hard work of the last few weeks has been worth it.
Charlie Cartmill
Please phone me on 082 5004929 - I don't seem to have your phone number
Mo
Sorry I didn't post on your birthday - was travelling and varius other things, but I did remember. Hope it was happy
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 19:50:49 (UTC)
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Bridget, Craig and others... RE the Thongs.......in New Zealand they are known as "Jandles" true......cross my heart........oh and I have a dear 17 year old daughter who loves pink thongs/flipflops etc so Craig don't worry about the detractors, someone else loves them...giggles
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 16:22:37 (UTC)
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Doug
Really sorry to hear about your dad. Please pass on my condolences to Len and the rest of the family.
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 13:31:32 (UTC)
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Hi Doug,
Sorry to hear about your Dad. If you want Rolfs email I have it.
Regards Bill
Billy Laing [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stevenage, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 11:40:02 (UTC)
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Craig
With the increased membership and amount of postings the board takes a long time to load down later in the month. Maybe it could be broken down into 52 weeks instead of 12 months so we don't have to waste time downloading a lot of stuff we have already read?
Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 08:10:01 (UTC)
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Doug and Peta Hall and family,
I am very sorry to hear of the untimely passing of your Dad Ken who was my neighbour in Murundu. Ken was a tough guy and proved this when he went on a fishing trip in his last days. That's the way to go.
I often thought if I was going anywhere near Pietermaritzburg I should look him up. Now it is too late. Another link with the old days gone. Hamba Gashle Ken!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 08:03:24 (UTC)
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Doug Hall:
My very sincere condolences on the death of your father.
June.
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 07:01:55 (UTC)
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Didn't we call slip slops, or flip flops "Bata Tropicals" in Zambia?
Don't get me started on terminologies. I have to be very careful what I call things over here in the States as some names have a totally different meaning.
I remember when I went for my driving test, it was hilarious. I was saying things like, "Is it okay to toot my hooter in traffic?" and the driving inspector gave me such a quizzical look. They honk their horns over here, and tooting a hooter is something different and naughty. Bonnets and boots are hoods and trunks.
Even the bleddy dogs don't understand "voetsek!"
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 05:54:29 (UTC)
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Doug Hall and the Family
Deepest condolences on the sad loss of your father.
Paudie and Sue Coughlan
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 03:06:17 (UTC)
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Doug,
My condolences on the loss of your father. I admire the trip he took after his chemo.
Bridget,
Yes, they call what I have always called simply slops "thongs" here, and in Canada actually. The reason they became an issue was because of a posting Sarky Arthur made here a few days ago about my slops/thongs. At least one can buy a decent pair of slops here; my attempts in Zambia were unsuccessful, as I had a choice between something that could be seen a mile away and studded ones that would make my feet feel funny.
Moira,
Happy belated birthday. Sorry I won't make it up there on this trip, but stay tuned -- something interesting is in the works.
Arthur,
You're welcome. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Saturday, March 27, 2004 at 01:03:42 (UTC)
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Doug Hall & Family.
Our sincere condolences on the recent sad loss of your father. Our thoughts are with you and all the family.
Gary (Brasso), Natasha & Scott.
Mo Stevens.
How about "Mosi" or Chubuku (after the beers) as a name for your elpant! Delighted U had a great birthday.
Gary.
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 22:44:51 (UTC)
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GNR,
I would appreciate you posting these two photos of my dad who passed away today.
My message: - "Dad - my fishing buddy, rest in peace in the big fishing spot in the sky.
Ken Hall - Ngwezi Houseboat with mad Joe and Doug Hall - Okavango River 2003
Ken Hall - the last Tiger - Okavango 2003
Love, Doug, Len, Peta, Jackie and Lee."
Doug,
My sincere condolences to you and your family on your sad loss.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 21:51:33 (UTC)
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R.I.P Ken Hall 5/5/1926 - 26/3/2004
Hi all,
I seem only to post bad news, but then I've had a bad year with 6 family deaths already in the last 12 months!! I guess this is what being in your 50's is all about, but I am optimisitic enough to have as my motto something that I heard from a hunter Rolf Rouwer in Lusake in 1973 "Remember, next year this will just be a memory". With that thought uppermost in my mind I announce that my dearly beloved father Ken Hall, passed away in Hilton this afternoon at 4:30. He was first diagnosed with lung cancer (probably from Muf. Mine) last year in March, and still managed to drive himself for a fishing trip to Okavango - Botswana after 5 months of Chemo in September 2003. Those such as Doug Grewar will know he lived in Murundu plots, outside Mufulira from 1956 to 1976, some of the happiest times of my young life.
May he rest in peace.
Doug Hall.
Douglas Hall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Exeter, Devon, United Kingdom
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 19:31:13 (UTC)
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Hi
Must have missed something important about the pink thongs as I knew nothing about them before opening up the Perth photos - WOW!!
Where does "thong" come from? I thought it was a piece of underwear my 16 old daughter wears. We always had "slip slops" until coming to the UK when they suddenly turned into "flip flops"! It's funny how somethings just set you apart and "banner" you as Zambian - slip slops, short shorts, a certain way to hold a beer whilst listening to a conversation, (Paudie had that in one of the Perth photos), and dancing......... nobody dances quite like a Zambian!
Hope you are all well. Loved the Perth photos. My son is going over to Australia for a year later this year but will only be on the East coast. He spent 10 weeks there a couple of years ago and loved it - was determined to go back after finishing university. Funnily enough he spent that summer in Australia, the following summer in Mexico and the year in between in America, (at uni), and he did asked what possessed me to settle in the UK after leaving Africa!! God only knows! Looking at the photos of Perth whilst a bloody gale was blowing outside really made me wonder.
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 15:40:57 (UTC)
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Chandru
Thanks for the tip on the new Alexandra Fuller book. I enoyed the "Dogs" so much I can't wait for May 1 and its arrival. By that time I'll have the hammock slung between a couple of trees, a cooler filled, and ready for a visit to the old haunts in my mind.
Thanks again, and I see it got a good review. BobS.
Robert Summers [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 14:28:41 (UTC)
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Paudie and Sue,
Thank-you very much for everything over the last week. I enjoyed myself immensely and I am quite sure I will be back soon.
Peter,
I should be in Vancouver at that time. Will contact you via e-mail when I get a chance sometime before Wednesday next week.
All members and pending members,
I may not get much of a chance to answer e-mail or activate new memberships between now and the middle of next week. Thanks for your patience.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 04:31:07 (UTC)
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Alexandra Fuller (author of "Don't Lets Go to the Dogs Tonight") will be coming out with a book in May, 2004 titled "Scribbling the Cat: Travels With an African Soldier" published by Penguin Books. Here is a link to a review:
http://www.aaabooksearch.com/Book/1594200165
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 03:50:01 (UTC)
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G'day
Well... sadly, we put our Craig onto the flight last night after he'd treated Paudie and I to a delicious Indian dinner. The week flew by. It was great to have him here and show him our home city - Perth.
Thanks everyone who managed to make the gathering at such short notice and thanks again Marilyn for all your help. It was very nice to meet and greet all of you.
Craig's Crackerjack Party involved lots of beer and chats, some snacks, more beer and chats, a fabulous pig-out dinner, then dancing to the pub band 24-Seven.
A very civilized and happy way to conclude the evening especially since Perth was in the middle of a heatwave. The day we took Craig to Rotto it was 42 degrees! Hence the red faces.
So the sunshine made us proud, the Koalas behaved and didn't urinate on him, the wild Pink & Grey Galah in the park also behaved, however the Green 28 parrot got him square in the crown. We think the reason he couldn't get close to the wild kangaroos at ECU was those pink thongs!
Yesterday, he got to feed some Roos at Caversham Wildlife Park, became intimately (?) aquainted with a cheeky Cockatoo called Charlie. We couldn't tear him away!
Craig even recorded his conversation which went something like this; ''Hello - Hello - How Ya Goin? - Hello - Polly want a cracker? (Silence) G'day Mate! - Hello - Dance Cocky - (mots of up and down movement) Hello...'' etc. Riviting stuff!
Craig also just missed being christened by the smelly end of a Wombat so I made him buy a lotto ticket at Hillarys Boat Harbour after lunch. Of course, he'll have to return to Perth to collect his winnings! We can't wait!
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 02:38:58 (UTC)
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I have been inundated with good wishes for my birthday! THANK YOU to everyone who sent me messages - it warms one's heart to be remembered. I had an excellent day ......... after being spoilt by my kids with dinner and a night's stay at a top class resort, I was taken to birthday breakfast the next morning. Spent the rest of the day cruising the beaches and shops with my daughter and then came home to a wonderful surprise ...... a carved wooden elephant that stands 32 inches high and 42 inches long!! So, now I need a name for her - any suggestions people?
Happy Mo
Moira Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Friday, March 26, 2004 at 01:57:41 (UTC)
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Craig, Sue & Paidie!
Thanks for posting pictures of the recent Perth Party. Great to put a face to a name at last. Everyone looked to have had a wonderful time as all GNR reunions tend to result in. Craig - good to see U looking so well too. Paudie & Sue - looking as happy as ever together.
Best regards to all - Gary Brasso.
Mo Stevens.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BABE. Miss our chats.
Love & best wishes - Gary, Tash & Scott. XXXXX
Gary Brassington [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Banbury Oxon, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 22:34:33 (UTC)
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Ross
What happened to your arm? Next time kick him!
Craig
Looks like you had a great time! The sun must be very hot there as everyone is looking quite red in the face. Or is that the effect of the vino. Paudie seems to be settling in real well and already looks like an Aussie.
Cheers
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 18:11:37 (UTC)
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Hi Craig...
I will be in Vancouver May 30 - June 4 likely staying at the Sylvia hotel. I am at a conference at UNB June 2,3,4 during the day.
Lets make a date and meet for a beer! Maybe some others can join us?
...Peter
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 16:30:27 (UTC)
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Mo Steevens
Happy Birthday me old mate. Hope you have a good one and don't forget to have a glass of mature (!!) Aussie wine for me too.
Hope all is well with you and yours.
Carole
Carole Evans (née Bruce) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 14:07:10 (UTC)
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Craig........ Hope you enjoyed your stay in Perth (an understatement?) and have a safe trip home... Sue and Paudie Great photos of Perth etc.......they reminded me of the places I took my Aunt from Krugersdorp when she came and stayed...and yes she also fell in love with the place.........Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 01:08:24 (UTC)
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My brother Robin and would love to get in touch with old friends form theJean and Gilbert Rennie School (1956-1963) in Lusaka.
Molly Bence (formerly Angus and Hawksley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
NSW, Australia
Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 23:10:44 (UTC)
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Pictures from Craig's Crackerjack Party
Here they are finally. I am making this post on behalf of Sue. For the benefit of the ladies that were are the party I disclaim any and all liability for the selection of photographs. Please address any complaints to Sue. :)
If I have made any mistakes with respect to names, please let me know and I will make any necessary corrections.
Ali Key and Gavin.
Clive and Marilyn Noall.
Clive Noall dancing with Meredith.
Clive Noall and Paudie Coughlan.
Craig Hartnett and Clive Noall.
Craig Hartnett and John Steers.
Craig Hartnett and Marilyn Noall dancing. (At least Marilyn can dance! Not sure about the guy on the left.)
Derek Dutton and Lorraine Bloodworth.
Derek Dutton, Marilyn Noall, Craig Hartnett and Clive Noall.
Eamon Coughlan and Peter Anderson. (And Hazel Forde walking by in the background.)
Gavin, Craig Hartnett, John Steers and Sue Forde.
John Steers, Moreen Myles, Craig Hartnett, Jeanette Anderson and Steve Bloodworth.
John Steers, Moreen Myles, Craig Hartnett, Peter and Jeanette Anderson, Steve and Lorraine Bloodworth.
Katja King, Lorraine Bloodworth, John Steers, Mick King, Moreen Myles, Craig Hartnett, Peter Anderson, Jason King, Jeanette Anderson, Steve Bloodworth. In front are Eamon and Paudie Coughlan.
Hazel Forde and Marilyn Noall.
Jeanette Anderson.
John Steers and Sue Coughlan.
Marilyn Noall and Meredith.
Marilyn Noall.
Moreen Myles and Lorraine Bloodworth.
Paudie Coughlan, John Steers, Eamon Coughlan, Steve Bloodworth and Chris Forde.
Ray Wright.
Ray Wright and Bill Thomson.
Steve and Lorraine Bloodworth.
Around Perth with Paudie, Sue and Craig
Perhaps not as exciting, but some humorous commentary/titles from Sue. :)
Chris Forde enjoying a beer.
"Look at all these birds hanging off me."
Craig in a hammock.
"Jeez Jezza, see dem pink thongs."
Craig in King's Park with the Perth CBD skyline in the background.
Craig in King's Park with the Perth CBD skyline in the background.
Craig in King's Park.
Craig and Paudie waiting for the ferry to Rottnest Island.
"You know I only like the black ones." (A pink and grey galah eating out of one of our hands. Sharp claws!)
Craig looking at the lunch menu on Rottnest Island.
Applying sunscreen dance. (Paudie and Craig applying sunscreen on Rottnest Island
"Where are we again?" (On Rottnest Island.)
"No, too far to walk back." (Craig and Paudie wading on the shore of Rottnest Island.)
The ultimate office.
Nginga. (I hope you know what that means, because I don't.) Craig on a rented bike on Rottnest Island... reading the rental agreement. Note the helmet safely secured where it won't be damaged by someone's head.
The famous pink thongs.
A thong too far.
Paudie and Craig in a "semi-submersible" boat looking through the windows at the marine life.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 21:57:49 (UTC)
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Steve de Lange, Syd Mack, Stewart Yesner
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 24, 2004 at 05:35:09 (UTC)
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Still here all, Haven`t posted as the arm is very crook now and I`ve not to agravate it before the op, the surgeon say`s. Still looking in though.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 11:53:56 (UTC)
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Jimmy Turner, Bob Tring, Ronald Thompson, Lee Kohl
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 05:25:14 (UTC)
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Very interesting Paudie.
And if Internet information is to be believed, "you Australians" get plenty of the "Little Shag" which is half the size of the New Zealand varieties such as the Spotted Shag which, I am informed, can occasionally be seen (spotted?) 'in impressive formations' off Kaikoura Peninsula." That would be a sight to see!
Craig, and all you lovely Perthites, glad you are having such fun. We are certainly cheering for you and having more fun than is legal with your postings.
Hugs to all,
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 03:38:43 (UTC)
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Craig's Perth Party
Thanks to all the Perthites who managed to get there at such short notice. Craig was delighted to meet you all. Sue and I enjoyed meeting up with the people who were previously only names on the GNR. It's great to put faces to names.
The party started off in a reserved area of the beer garden at the Breakwater Tavern at Hillarys Boat Harbour. For non - Perthites this is a resort marina on the coast at Hillarys, a suburb about 25 minutes drive north of the city centre. It has about 10 quality restaurants and a number of entertainment venues with live music. Anyway, at about 8.30 we moved into the main lounge area, where a massive table had been set up for us. The food was excellent, as was the service, and of course the company was great. The band started playing about 9.30, and most of us got to dance and boogey away. All in all, a good time was had by all.
It was a good turnout considering that there was such short notice.
Attendees were:
Craig Hartnett
John Steers
Eamon Coughlan
Steve and Lorraine Bloodworth
Mick and Katja King and young son Jason
Janette and Peter Anderson
Paudie and Sue Coughlan
Moreen Myles
Chris and Hazel Forde
Ray Wright
Marilyn and Clive Noall
Alix Key and partner Gavin
Derek Dutton
Meridith Eaton
Bill Thomson
Interesting to note that of the above, six were attendees at Gary Brassington's very successful GNR Banbury Bash in UK in Sept 2002 (Paudie and Sue, Chris and Hazel, Eamon, and Craig). And two attended the Livinstone Lark in Zambia last year (Crig, and John Steers).
Craig will be putting up some photos of the party soon. We're keeping him busy sight seeing around Perth and environs. and he does have to spend time running his business through his laptop. Regarding "the Lucky Shag Bar", a shag in this instance is a sea bird. I suppose they could have called it The Lucky Sea Gull, or Albatros or Herron, but The Lucky Shag Bar sounds much more fun!!!
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, March 23, 2004 at 01:10:20 (UTC)
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I just got back from holiday and have been catching up on the Board.
Interesting to read about Ndola's Len Catchpole. He would definitely qualify for a "Reader's Digest" Most Unforgettable Character.
Everything people have written about him is true, and have only scratched the surface. I lived next door to him on Kenmere Ave., and he was forever trying to entice the News embibers to switch their loyalty from Tony Blake's Coppers to the E&C., with some success from time to time.
I went in the E&C one afternoon and noted to the barmaid Betty, don't ask how I remember the name, I've no idea, that Len's brother Jack was not working. Her answer has stayed with me and been repeated at numerous "when we" gatherings, "Oh, Jack's hanging around Broken Hill today".
Len Jr. wrote me that his Uncle Jack had moved to Johannesburg, I believe, and died there a few years ago.
In a country of characters, they were near the top of the list.
Robert Summers [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Monday, March 22, 2004 at 21:20:37 (UTC)
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Craig:
Happy holidays in beautiful Perth. It was great meeting you. You look very relaxed and still sporting your African tan, we noted.
Happy travels.
Sue and Paudie:
Thank you for all the hard work in getting us together on Saturday. It was so nice meeting you at last and still on honeymoon, hey!
Alix, Ray, et al. Great to see you all again. Keep well and take care of yourselves.
Ray, coffee on the meny?
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, March 22, 2004 at 06:24:24 (UTC)
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Birthday greetings for yesterday to Stephen Smith, Allan Glazer, Kevin Sharp, Pam Smillie and for today to Bill hunt, Hamish Macdonald, Ed Rybicki and Richard Best
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, March 22, 2004 at 05:54:36 (UTC)
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Really good find, that article, Douggie W. Great post.
p.s.
"I see you are still at it" That's a bit personal isn't it? Ohhhh heh heh I see what you mean now. Confused for a minnit.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, March 22, 2004 at 03:17:32 (UTC)
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Welcome to the GNR Keith.......
Ali Key
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, March 22, 2004 at 02:32:38 (UTC)
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I only came across The Great North Road web site recently and have been amazed at the excellent quality and quantity of its contents. There is so much to read and so many really interesting links to follow. Fortunately I have not been THAT busy at work recently.
I worked as a young engineer at Chililabombwe (aka Bancroft) Zambia for 3 months in 1968 in an undergraduate vacation job. I returned for my first permanent job after uni from 1969 to 1972 and worked at NCCM, Chingola. The first and last days of my 3 year contract were on the anniversary of Rhodesia's UDI, November 12th.
My social and sporting life revolved around Nchanga Rugby Club and the highlight was probably our Far East Rugby tour in 1971 to Ceylon, Singapore, Philippines, Thailand and Hong Kong with stopovers in Nairobi and Bombay on each leg of the journey. A lowlight was being one of many Nchanga players who boarded a flight in Ndola to take us back to the Copperbelt after our 3 teams had played down south. We had one more passenger (say 25) than boarding card (say 24) and squeezed 4 of us onto a row of 3 seats with the arm rests raised. Eventually, armed police came on board to help the flight attendants sort out their miscreant passengers. Things rapidly deteriorated and whilst many of us disembarked, evaded security, escaped from the airport and hitch hiked back up north, several ended up in prison and the British High Commissioner had a busy few days assisting not only the poms but the S. Africans and Rhodesians amongst us. Another memory of those days were the (non rugby related) weekend trips across the border to Lubumbashi for sophisticated "Belgian" evenings in dark bars with lots of velvet curtains, marble or copper bar tops, shiny mirrors, barmen called "Pierre" and testing/tasting a vast range of their incredible cocktails.
After arriving in Perth, Western Australia in 1988, I have come across 10 or possibly more people from those days in Zambia. They are mainly working in the mining industry based in Perth head offices. Looking at the Great North Road web site shows that there are many many more ex-Zambia people here. The weather and life style here are excellent, like Zambia, and we have better beaches!!
I am pleased to be able to add my bit of news to the web site.
Best regards,
Keith Binns
22 March 2004
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, March 22, 2004 at 01:48:49 (UTC)
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An interesting article from the NY Times Online edition today . Who could have predicted such a reversal of fortunes ? I find it very ironic having farmed in both countries .
Doug W
ps Tina , I see you are still at it ......... but if the Irish don't like the Scots it also have been Surface to Ayr .......
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Zimbabwe's White Farmers Start Anew in Zambia
The New York Times | March 21, 2004 | SHARON LaFRANIERE
CHISAMBA, Zambia — Douglas Watt is part of a most curious diaspora in Southern Africa: prosperous white farmers, vilified as greedy racists and driven out of Zimbabwe, looking for a home.
Mr. Watt left the country of his birth about a year ago after what has become a common sort of encounter there. The husband of a worker in the office of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe politely told Mr. Watt that he was taking over his farm and that Mr. Watt had 90 days to get out.
Today Mr. Watt is one of about 140 white Zimbabwean farmers who have relocated to neighboring Zambia hoping, many say, for a mix of racial harmony and political stability that will enable them to prosper and contribute to black Africa.
For the farmers and for the Zambian government, the migration amounts to a new experiment on an issue central to the whole region: how do whites fit in?
While Zimbabwe has been uprooting its white farmers in an aggressive effort to redistribute colonial era landholdings, Zambian officials, if a trifle warily, have rolled out the welcome mat. They are hoping that farmers like Mr. Watt will breathe new life into the nation's moribund farming economy, which has been mired at the rake-and-hoe level since the mid-1970's.
For their part, some transplanted farmers say they have learned from their experience in Zimbabwe that they need to integrate, not just prosper, if they want to be accepted.
Mr. Watt drove around Zambia for three weeks before he found 1,600 acres to lease near this one-street village with a post office, police station and food market north of Lusaka, the capital. Pasture and brush a year ago, the gently rolling land is now five feet high in green tobacco plants tended by 240 workers. Huge yellow sheaves of tobacco are hung to cure in 15 shiny sheds by a new blocklong warehouse.
Mr. Watt has sunk $900,000 into his new farm, most of it borrowed from a bank and from the Universal Leaf Tobacco Company, based in Richmond, Va. "I have put every cent I have into this," Mr. Watt, 38, said, sitting in the dining room of his new ranch-style house. "I've got more invested here than I ever did in Zimbabwe. We will be an asset to the country."
Mr. Watt's move continues a long pattern of whites, increasingly uncertain of their welcome, who have hopscotched around the southern end of Africa in the last four decades.
His shift reverses that of his parents, 40 years ago. Back when this Texas-size nation was still called Northern Rhodesia and chafed under colonial rule, Roy and Ria Watt grew tobacco and corn on 4,000 lush acres. In 1964, when white minority rule crumbled and the country became Zambia, the Watts, fearful of their future under a new black-led government, fled to Zimbabwe. Today their son is convinced that his parents bet on the wrong country.
Douglas Watt describes Zambia as everything that Zimbabwe is no longer: racially tolerant, law-abiding and moderate. It had been desperate for investment after disastrous postindependence economic policies reduced the nation to a beggar for foreign handouts and loans. Critics say President Mugabe's policies in Zimbabwe are creating the same conditions for disaster there today.
Also unlike Zimbabwe, or South Africa for that matter, Zambia has good land in abundance: about 60 percent of the countryside is arable, but less than 10 percent is actively farmed. In a country of 10 million, there are no more than 450 commercial farmers, including the Zimbabweans.
"We think there is a large vacuum to fill," said Chance Kabaghe, deputy minister for agriculture, in an interview in a dilapidated office building in Lusaka. "That's why we have been so open."
Still, he added: "We are encouraging them to respect our norms and mix with the local people. We are watching the situation very closely."
For Zambia, the white farmers' money and knowledge may help the nation climb out of the hole it fell into with the decline of its copper mines and nationalization of land after independence.
Aided by open government policies on leasing and investment — and by America's tobacco industry, which is underwriting much of the farm-building — farmers like Mr. Watt are already creating a more modest version of Zimbabwe's once mighty tobacco industry, which has been left in ruins after three years of land seizures.
Zambia is taking up some of the slack, doubling its tobacco production this year. By 2008, analysts predict, it will produce 82 million pounds of flue-cured tobacco a year. That is twice the yield of that in the mid-1970's, before farmland was nationalized, but still far less than Zimbabwe and Malawi each produce now.
Government officials see a new revenue stream of fees and taxes, plus the potential for fertilizer stores, irrigation equipment and maybe even a tobacco processing plant like the one now operating at a quarter of its capacity in Zimbabwe.
"We think we have benefited from the farmers who have come in," Mr. Kabaghe said. "We are very proud of them. Our tobacco industry is now booming."
At the same time, no official here wants the success of white farmers to be too visible, lest it engender the sort of racial backlash that has helped spur Zimbabwe's land takeovers and that is building in both South Africa and Namibia.
Nor do the tobacco companies want to be seen as the benefactors only of whites. Universal Leaf says it wants to develop 40 to 50 smaller, black-owned commercial farms on the periphery of the white-owned farms — a move Mr. Rusch says makes both political and economic sense.
Campbell Dunlop, a 42-year-old farmer, is not certain how it will all work out. He has lived for 18 months next to his tobacco fields in a safari-style hut off a heavily rutted, half-flooded road near Chisamba. But he left his wife and children in Harare, Zimbabwe's capital, calculating that he might eventually go back after turning over his new 395-acre farm to Zambian managers to run.
"I haven't got my head around making this home," he said.
Like many of his compatriots here, Mr. Dunlop is haunted by his losses in Zimbabwe. He and other migrants say they find comfort as far-flung neighbors, united by their two-way radios, their memories of 90-day eviction notices and their sense of outrage over the lack of world reaction to Mr. Mugabe.
A few of their old workers have followed them. Dzingai Kapondoro, 33, worked for 15 years for a white tobacco farmer in Zimbabwe. After Mr. Mugabe's forces evicted the farmer and carved up the farm, Mr. Kapondoro's delighted family were the proud new owners of 25 acres. But while he had skills, Mr. Kapondoro said, he had no equipment to till the land or money for fertilizer and seed. With 25 acres of barren farmland and no income, he finally followed the farm's former white manager to Mr. Dunlop's farm in Zambia. Now he grades tobacco and lives in a thatched hut hundreds of miles from his wife and four children.
Douglas Watt says it is a relief, a joy even, to feel welcome again. Barely a year ago, during his final days as a Zimbabwe farmer, he recalled, his own workers barricaded him and his wife in their farmhouse for 18 hours.
With shouts and a clamor of drums, they demanded that he make good on the Mugabe government's promise of compensation for the fact that the Watts' forced eviction from their farm would leave them jobless.
During his first weeks in Zambia last year, his workers raised a different sort of ruckus. They were celebrating the first time in their lives that many of them had been paid.
"You could hear the party across the river," he said. "The drums beat for two days. It was actually a wonderful feeling."
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 22:40:50 (UTC)
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Hi - many thanks for the Lusaka map (Lynda Fielder) - fascinating to see it because I've tried dredging my memory to find Ripon Rd. I managed to remember quite a few streets, but not Ripon Rd
It turns out now that we had Wilson relatives there in the 1960s - in the same suburb of Lusaka - and I didn't know. Strange!
Cheers, Rob
Rob Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cirencester, Glos, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 21:52:46 (UTC)
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Johnny ...
How come you haven't comet to Perth yet....look at Craig he has the birds after him already !!! giggles
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 06:21:28 (UTC)
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Green Submarine Doug
"When it's 200 ft. above the surface they shoot it down."
With surface-to-Eire missiles I suppose.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 06:09:59 (UTC)
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Friday in Perth
OK, change in plans so I have time to post these pictures from Friday.
Proof that I am not a teetotaller.
Arthur gets around.
Bird on my head. The answer to the obvious question is, "Yes. It did crap on my head."
The passion of the one-eyed pigeon.
Sign at Hillary's Harbour. 8489 km to Harare -- not far enough!
First dip on the eastern shore of the Indian Ocean. Now I've been on both sides and in the middle. Same with the Pacific Ocean.
Outside the Lucky Shag Bar. God I love Perth! :)
Pictures from the party later today or tomorrow.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 05:01:57 (UTC)
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The Crackerjack Party
It was great to meet the 23 or so people who showed up for the party at Hillary's Harbour last night. I really enjoyed meeting all of you. Thanks to Sue, Paudie and Marilyn for their organisational skills too.
Sue has a bunch of pictures which I will post, but the weather here is too nice to be sitting inside at the computer (which explains why I don't have Friday's pictures up yet either), so I will get to it maybe this evening or Monday evening. Can you hang on until then? :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, March 21, 2004 at 03:10:20 (UTC)
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Doug - you and your Irish Submarine joke . . . . . !
Of course we all know that South Africans are just as smart as the Irish.
It appears that a piece of string walked into a bar in South Africa, jumped up on the barstool and asked for a beer.
"We don't serve string in this bar!" exclaimed the barman.
The string very upset, dismounted and went outside where he frayed one of his ends, tied himself into a knot, walked back into the bar and sat back up on the stool and once again asked for a beer.
"You must think I'm stupid," said barman van der Merwe "aren't you the same piece of string I just refused to serve a minute ago?"
"No," said the string "I'm a frayed knot."
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 19:15:52 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY SUE!
I hope you've had a lovely day and been spoiled rotten.
Lots of love from your little sister
xxx
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 12:09:56 (UTC)
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Sue Moffat
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 07:18:48 (UTC)
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Johnny:
Len just emailed me again and said he has contacted you through your GNR contact email. Is that the new one you have switched to or have you not updated your profile? Please email me with your new email address so I can forward it to Len.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 01:41:07 (UTC)
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Yes Johnnie, had a most welcome e-mail from LC Jr.
We'll keep in touch.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 00:31:01 (UTC)
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Linda I have not recieved any mail from Len he is maybe trying to get through on my old address please ask him to copy you in and then you can FW to me thanks babe Johnny.x
Ken have you had contact?
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 20, 2004 at 00:00:26 (UTC)
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Pappy:
I emailed Len Jr. and got a response today. He is reading the postings back and forth so we may just get one from him. He said he has emailed Ken and Johnny directly to correct some info that is being posted.
Fiona Fenton is deceased, unfortunately. She had a really tragic car accident in Zim many years ago, the cause of which remained a mystery. She was found, 100 miles outside of Salisbury, no other cars involved, on a dead straight road, but with the car overturned and off in the bush. Her infant child survived, but was thrown a considerable way from the car and almost overlooked. Nobody could fathom why she was so far from home, as she had been at a party with her husband, Sid. He went home early and went to bed. She remained and so it was not until the next morning that he realised she was missing. A really tragic end to a great person. She and I were room mates as you know. RIP.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 23:16:55 (UTC)
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Craig
A very warm welcome to Perth....Yes it is beautiful here, have you come across any scorpians yet....??? I have two here living with me (giggles)..looking forward to meeting you..
Marilyn I hope you have gallons of Amarula on hand.......smiles
Artie... I haven't tried out too much of the HTML yet........might frighten a few GNRers away............
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 19:06:58 (UTC)
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Tony,
Thank you for the prompt and yes it was Snowy Gascoigne that I had a pint with. I suppose being a hangman and an undertaker is just a job and somebody has to do it. However making a living out of both the about to die and the already dead is a little unusual.
However this is the GNR so the big question is, "Does anybody know if Snowy Gascoigne still on this planet"?
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 18:19:06 (UTC)
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Perth
Perth is awesome. No wonder a large chunk of people from our part of the world came here.
Sue took about 500 pictures on Friday. I'll post a couple of hundred here later today (Saturday).
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 18:07:23 (UTC)
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Linda,
The Len Catchpole you know is Len Jnr. Ricmond Smith was a Queens council in Ndola,and reprisended me on an occasion,I`m sure the likes of Baby Bester would remember him well.
The Catchpoles were undertakers if memory serves me well.I became one myself for a number of years in Rhodesia,and was quite good at it if I have to say so myself,ha!ha.
What happened to Fiona Fenton,I saw her brother Michael when I was in the forces,I think he was living in Bulawayo with his dad.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 17:19:49 (UTC)
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I believe the person who took over from Jack Catchpole as the Public Topper, was Frank Medd, an ex-Prison Officer at Bwana M'kubwa. Last saw him in the Buffaloes Lodge in Ndola around '75. Couldn't mistake him - he wore the craziest purple-tinted glasses.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 14:49:21 (UTC)
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I remember getting to know Snowy Gascoigne (?) quite well in the Lowenthal Theatre bar. I seem to recall that he was an undertaker by trade and lived outside Ndola on the Muf road. An interesting combination of professions!
Tony Austin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 14:07:43 (UTC)
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The hangman might have been called Snowie not Chalkie, I can't say for definite. Does anybody out there remember?
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 10:12:51 (UTC)
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All this talk of the hangman. I remember early 1971 (?) having a quiet Castle in the Broken Hill Rugby Club early one evening and taking to a person who I hadn't seen before, an Irish man called chalkie. I asked him if he lived in Kabwe and he said that he only came to Kabwe if there was enough business for him to do. I made the mistake of asking him what he did for a living and he opened his briefcase which was at the side of him. There inside was the hangman's rope/noose. Nice man but made me feel a little uneasy.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 09:14:09 (UTC)
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David Rendall, Kevin McGrath, Chris Hey
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 05:25:22 (UTC)
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Linda
Yes - you should be here. We'll certainly send you a ticket but you'll have to pay your own fare...
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 02:51:00 (UTC)
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Postscipt to my last communication,
When the Israelis finally caught up with Adolph Eichman in Argentina, Jack Catchpole volunteered his professional sevices at his own expense, but this was turned down.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 01:24:01 (UTC)
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The Len Catchpole I knew was from Ndola in 1960, and owned The Elephant and Castle Hotel on Cecil Avenue. His brother Jack was the official Hangman. A casual comment from Len led us to investigate a Bartender, who was bringing in his own product, but that's another story. Len was a former Mayor of Ndola, and was partially responsible for the development of the road over the Dambo (which his Company built), and named it Richmond-Smith Drive after one of the more prominent mebers of the legal profession at the time.
A really loveable character, even tho' he was arrested in Leopoldville during the Congo thingie apparently for running guns (or something). I last saw dear Len in Lusaka in the early seventies with a truckload of Scotch, which he sold in a heartbeat. A typical East-ender, Len could sell sand to an Arab. BTW, he also owned Chondwe Fruit Estates, wherein he took in a bunch of alchoholics to try and rehabilitate them (providing, of course, they had some manual skills).
Last saw Len Jr. in Lusaka, in the early seventies - a dead spit of the old man!
They both reminded me of Anthony Newley.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 01:18:07 (UTC)
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Bob Gillies:
The Len Catchpole I correspond with was from Ndola, but is now in Australia. He is a GNR member but has not posted in a very long time. He was close friends with a friend of mine, Fiona Fenton, in Zambia. I never knew him then. Could it be the same person? I have not heard from him in a while, but I will see if he is the same person next time we email.
Marilyn:
You will have to ask Sandra to tell you about the 750 days. Watch out, though. She may hit you up for the LSEA Fund. She has amazing "puppy dog" eyes when she wants something. And her smile is brilliant. Hence, the nickname "Smiler."
Paudie & Sue:
I've been checking my mailbox on a daily basis, but my ticket to Craig's party has not arrived from you guys. Dang!! I was hoping to win the Lotto drawing here, but I was only 6 numbers wrong this time. Ha! Ha!
Reginald Swinton-Jones:
It was a lovely surprise to hear from you today, and I hope we see you posting again pretty soon.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, March 19, 2004 at 00:47:56 (UTC)
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Sorry readers my scribble should have read ( taking on an elephant) not taken on an elephant.
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 22:33:42 (UTC)
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Bob,
The Catchpoles,moved from the Elephant and Castle,to run a Hotel on the out skirts of Umtali,I saw them when I was in the R.L.I. I cant mind what it was called but I think it was on the Christmas pass,I think thats what they called that bit before you get into Umtali from Salisbury.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 20:37:04 (UTC)
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I think the civic duties you refer to were hanging people by the neck until they were dead he was the official hang man for NR, I remember him or his brother taken on an elephant in a drinking contest at Ndola who could drink a bucket of beer the quickest as I remember the result was a draw> Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 20:18:37 (UTC)
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Kate
I am sorry I didn't get your last message so maybe you do have a problem.
As I asked in my e-mail, what ever happened to Linda? Long blond hair with a pony tail.....The girl who could cry by looking at the sun.
If you are receiving my mail I will send you the pictures and then you can comment on the board.
Marilyn
Good going Kid on your bash. I would have loved to have been there, they told me my paddle ski won't survive the trip. (It would sink on launch with all the Castle on board)
Linda
Thanks for the info. I have made contact with Rose and if all goes well I will see her and Mike later this year.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 19:51:04 (UTC)
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Did Jumbo ever go to Gilbert Rennie?
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 18:10:08 (UTC)
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Tina, Bill and the rest of my Celtic cousins, wassup? Did you forget about Saint Patrick' day? Or were you too worried by the report that the bubbles in a guiness go downwards.
We heard on South African radio that the Irish Navy has invented a new anti sub system. When their sonar finds a submarine in the locality they fire off depth charges filled with green paint and the whole sea surface is covered in this paint. As the sub raises its periscope it gets coated with green paint and the commander thinks he is still underwater and keeps the sub going up. When it is about 200ft above the surface the Irish Navy shoots it down with their anti- aircraft guns. Brilliant!
Cheers
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 18:06:36 (UTC)
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What a brilliant pic of the 1960 Diggers Team! I remember Jumbo's copper escapade - news of note at the time. Does anyone remember Len Catchpole from Broken Hill around 1959. If you were hanging around with him at that time you were in trouble (clue)
He could be found at his watering hole the Elephant Head after performing his civic duties. Answers please.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 16:31:34 (UTC)
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Marilyn Noall
Thanks for getting the ball rolling for Craig's welcome on Saturday. Looking forward to meeting you and other GNRer's then.
New Perth GNR members
You may not know that Craig Hartnett is part of the management team for the GNR, this wonderful website that has brought so many ex Zambians/NR's together after all these years. He gives a lot of his free time, and donates server space and other internet services through his company, to keep this site operating.
So this bash on Saturday is a chance to meet him - please come along - he'd love to meet as many GNR people as possible.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 13:40:48 (UTC)
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CRAIG'S CRACKERJACK PARTY
Come along and give Craig Hartnett a warm Perth GNR welcome
Saturday 20th March at 6.00 pm
Breakwater Tavern, Hillarys Boat Harbour, Perth
Followed by dinner/dancing etc
Further details, contact Paudie and Sue by email
craigsparty@hotmail.com
SEE YOU THERE
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 13:29:51 (UTC)
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Neville Cowan
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 05:35:06 (UTC)
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OK, Linda. Out with your marbles! What's the 750 days and counting thingo?
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 04:45:09 (UTC)
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Northerners:
Just a reminder that it is always interesting to check the Names Directory. Even if you think you don't know the person, you may know someone they are trying to locate and can help them. I have been surprised to find my own name on the "wanted list" a couple of times. Chances are I owe them money, or I stole their boyfriend, so I usually lay low... grin. No seriously, old friendships can be rekindled and that is always a heart warming experience.
I just wonder where the other 1400 members are because I don't see them posting with the 40 of us who do? Come on you lot. What's the point of being part of the group if you don't get your marbles out?
SMILER HOOPER:
750 days and counting...
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 00:46:55 (UTC)
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Dear campers please note I have consigned my
friartuck and my friartucky EM addresses to the bin they are no longer valid due to having been overwhelmed by spam only my action5 valid now.
Marilyn if you believe that Craig is tee total you must enjoy the 3 bears as well.
And for my girl Alix I suggest you have 2 feeding tubes one in each arm.
Nicky thanks for the info I thought it may have been Charlie Carthorse from Cape Town a shame that it isn't.
Johnny.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 19:07:54 (UTC)
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Philip Pain
Sorry Phil, I'm not ignoring you - I did respond to your last email but my server is having HUGE problems and I cannot guarantee emails are truly sent or not as they go to my 'sent' box... Think I'll go back to BT...
I don't blame you for moving to Eshowe (hadn't realised that was where you were..) I visited some friends of my sister who live there and fell in love with the place also - I agree - it is very much like Nkana/Kitwe. IF EVER I came back to live in SA that would be my first choice, too.
ttfn
Kate
Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 11:58:00 (UTC)
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Johnny
It is Charlie Johnstone who is visiting the UK.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 11:33:48 (UTC)
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Jack Wardell,
There is more to your story! There were three people involved in this episode! One absconded by the means explained by you, one other got wind of the pending arrest and departed, we believe, via Chirundu.
The third was arrested and charged with espionage and stood trial.
The charges related to the theft of detonators allegedly stolen from a quarry near Kafue!!
The trial lasted a couple of weeks. The third individual was successfully represented by Peter Corbet -Tribe and the case dismissed. The stay in the Lusaka prison I was later told was not a very pleasant place to be.
I think this may well be the case you referred to.
You may well be able to enlighten me to other facts.
The young fellow who broke his leg did so a couple of weeks after the alleged theft but because of his "injury" was not sent to prison to await trial.
Funny enough the third individual was infact on crutches due to and accident 12 month prior to the episode with the detonators!!!! which was his saving grace at the end of the day!!
Hilton Williams [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 10:21:29 (UTC)
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Johnny:
Now you know you've got Craig figured out all wrong! He's a tea-totaller - he's assured me and he's donated his pink flip flops to the army. Says he intends to wear a suit and dress formally, as do most Aussies. NOT!
All those empty glasses you saw on the table were empty because the poor barman couldn't keep up with Denise and her thirst for wine - in fact anything liquid. I'll have to watch her on Saturday night. As for Alix, I've got an intravenous drip for her!!
On another note, the young barman asked Clive where we were all from and said "Oh, that's incredible. My dad runs a security company in Zambia now." Small world or what.
Heather:
Thank you for loading up the photos. It was a mammoth task because of my shaky hand. I'll leave the documenting to someone else on Saturday.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 05:00:33 (UTC)
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Have I missed some thing some where, I have just seen a clip where a gent from Livingston says Charlie hope you can visit when you visit the uk, is this a ref to my old pal Charlie Carthorse? If it is you Charles you had better visit me when you are over I have got room for you and your goodlady Johnny.
When are you arriving ?
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 23:50:14 (UTC)
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The photo's taken at the Perth Purler Party last Sunday are good.
Now I can picture what you look like Marilyn and Denise, also others, when you see the names on the GNR. Enjoy your next get together.
Barbara Hey (née Brock) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 22:35:23 (UTC)
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Thanks Arthur for posting the photos. They are ok as far as order and description is concerned. The Old Mine club is now used as the "Pavilion Entertainment Centre". The distressed tractor rests in the Club Presidents parking space at the Golf Club. Others seem self explanatory.
With the recent discussion on Prisons/prisoners I am inclined to mention an experience of mine. I suffered a serious spinal injury in a fall at Kabwe mine in May 1970. In late May I was in a 4 bed ward in the Lusaka UTH when a "notorious" prisoner was admitted with a "broken" leg to the bed opposite me. Apparently he was convicted of terrorism trying to blow up the Kafue bridge.
A Zambian policeman was posted to keep him prisoner. At visiting a squad of heavy RSA friends visited, got rid of the ZP man with a fag and appeared to plot and case the joint for an escape. I became convinced he'd be gone by morning and resolved to try to stay awake that night. I did for a while.. In the morning The ZP was asleep and I was surprised to see a body still in the bed.
As the hospital came to life the ZP woke, went for a P and on return discovered that the body was the old pillow trick and "he was gone!"
The ZP stuck to his story that the prisoner had only just escaped but it later transpired an unknown aircraft had departed fro the old lusaka airport in the dead on night and disappeared south. As they say I subsequently helped the police/CID in their enquiries.
Anyone recall this event.
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 22:24:34 (UTC)
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Northerners!
Firstly thank you all who have joined in on the Kabwe/Broken Hill street naming campaign. Charlie your "mugwump outburst" sure worked a charm, I had nightmare visions of Chuckky jumping outta my screen (what was that film called?). We are still well short of putting a reasonable map together without further names on streets. In the meantime I will work on constructing a map on a separate layer in Photoshop so everything will be in place when we have made more progress on the street naming.
A recent revived effort on my part with the Rhokana Review project means I have now completed the scanning of all the magazines I currently have had access to. Now scanned are 108 issues from Number 1, issued in October 1951, through to December 1960, with only three missing issues in a total of ten volumes. I am hopeful of sourcing the missing three magazines and adding a further volume or two up to when the magazines ceased to be published, around 1963.
I owe a big debt of gratitude to my collaborators on this project, namely John Tyne who set me off in the right direction, my collaborators, Peter Hills, Guy Hobbs and David Gray. The magazines as well as providing many personal memories and much information, have also given me a deep insight into Northern Rhodesia/Zambia and the way of life it provided in the 1950's for all concerned. A very big Thank you gentlemen.
I will make an announcement when I am ready to distribute the magazines on CD or DVD to the GNR membership as a whole.
Marilyn,
Photos are brilliant.
Fantastic to see the Perth Purler party went so well, as Johnny says what happened to all the beer? Just make sure there's plenty of Guinness available for Craig, the "glazed" look he takes on after about 15 PINT session is always attributed to "jet-lag". You will have to get him a special pass because not everyone will serve him beer, really he's over 18. If he turns up in pink flip-flops that's normal, he's been wearing nothing else on his feet since Zambia. If you want to see the "crazed look" get Ali to post up something in her best HTML on the GNR message board and get the GNR server into meltdown trying to decipher it. (Only kidding Ali !)
Dave Gray, look forward to receiving Benjamin's application for membership.
Bob Allan, congrats on your retirement, here's hoping you and Karen have many long and happy days.
Muso's - when are you going to make a plan and get together for us all? Brasso are you there?
Jumbo Jutonich made many appearances in the Rhokana Reviews, here's a shot that appeared in a 1960's issue.
Arthur
Attached is a "borrowed" pic.
Regards
Glen Drake
This was my home for some time and was typical of mine housing for expats in the 70's in Kabwe.
Holly Street, Kabwe
No.7 Holly Road, Kabwe
David Hoyle
Arthur,
A few photos for the board from Kabwe, taken last year, which might add interest to the Broken Hill debate
in order photos are:
Golf club Car park
Mine Leach Plant
Rugby Club
Big Tree
Sable Club
Mine Club
Grateful if you can post these.
Jack Wardell
Jack and David, thank you both for the pics. Jack - I was not sure on the location of two of your photos, they didn't seem to stack up in order when they arrived, can you post a message naming the two pics in question? Sorry I didn't have time to ask you for the info before I posted them. Thanks.
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 21:41:30 (UTC)
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Charlie,
Let's just say you fancied all the girls you came across. I better add back then.Ha! Ha!
Remember the band practices in the greek hall? and Graham Boyle standing on a table whilst singing and almost falling off it? Great memories!!
Hope you are able to visit when in the UK.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 19:51:55 (UTC)
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Peter I used to deliver a prisoner now and again to Bwana Mkuba and I always used to have a chat with Jumbo when there he used to wander around as if he owned the prison, and to my suprise a friend of his approached me in a bar one day and asked me to contribute cash to aid Jumbo's escape by now he had been transferred to Broken Hill and the guy who asked me oviously did not know I was in the CID, so we were warned well in advance that he was going to make a break but he still managed to escape in company with another gentle man but did not remain at large very long I think he was rearrested with his buddy in Lusaka, But my most vivid memory of Jumbo was at the race track Kitwe when he had heard a rumour that the jockey on the horse he had backed was going to pull it up and lose the race, I was stood talking to the jockey in question when Jumbo came up and said listen my friend I have heard a whisper you are going to pull ----up but if you do when you get to the finishing post keep going because when I catch up with you I am going to break every bone in your body, needless to say with a threat like that from a man mountain like Jumbo he was first past the post. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 18:14:08 (UTC)
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Craig I hope that they get there drinking boots on when you arrive the pics of our brothers and sisters were great but the absence of booze was alarming the only glasses on the main pic were all empty and the ones of the girls on the last pic were all on coke except Alix who true to tradition had a glass full of jungle juice but they all had a big smile on there faces so perhaps there was some thing in the coke. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 17:35:53 (UTC)
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The mention of Jumbo Jutronich reminds me of his appeal against his prison sentence. He was jailed in Northern Rhodesia, but started his term shortly before independence. His lawyer appealed to the High Court for a reduction in his sentence, because life in a Zambian prison was harder than in a Northern Rhodesian prison. There were no special privileges for white people!
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 15:06:19 (UTC)
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Northerners
My apologies for the delay in posting these pictures from the Perth Purler Party:
Clive and Marilyn Noall with Marilyn already out of control
Wayne and Tania Harston (Ndola) and Clive and Marilyn Noall (Kitwe)
Tickey, Wayne & Tania Harston, Clive and Marilyn Noall, Bernard Horton, Ray Wright, Alexandria and John Milton
Tickey, Wayne & Tania Harston, Clive and Marilyn Noall, Bernard Horton, Ray Wright, Alexandria and John Milton, Denise Horton
Bernard and Denise Horton, Noel Daley and John Milton
The Marsh Sisters with John Steers
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 14:09:49 (UTC)
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Johnny,
If the sheilas are stingy on the hugs and kisses, I will always have your lighter to keep me warm at night. ;)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Macksville, New South Wales, Australia
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 12:23:08 (UTC)
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Marilyn very good attendance for a first timer, I am sure now you have initiated it it will grow from strength to strength and I am sure that when Craig arrives, there will be quite a few more arrive, you must try and dissuade Craig from imbibing to much guinness as like Alix he can do some strange things like jumping off bridges and gets delusions that he is a fisherman according to Arthur, he is not adverse to ladies greeting him with a kiss so you shiela's can fill your boots and tell him sorry I canot be there to help him out. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 08:52:12 (UTC)
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Rachel Mounsey and Philip Pain:
Thanks so much for the beautiful poetry. Thought provoking, both of them.
Doug Grewar:
Your story had me in stiches. Thanks for sharing.
June
June Dobson (née Jocks) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 06:17:48 (UTC)
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Lynthia Nadauld, John Robbertze
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 05:23:31 (UTC)
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Johnny:
We had 21 attend the Perth Purler. We had a really good time and hope for an event better turn out to welcome Craig on Saturday. It's amazing how when you haven't seen someone for say, 25 years and you meet them again, you just seem to pick up where you left off.
Ray:
Yes, you're right. We didn't have a chance to chat. Hope to catch up on Saturday or, at least, over coffee one lunch hour?
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 04:35:53 (UTC)
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Rachel Mounsey
Loved your poem - have seen it before and think its great! Bet your 'dash' is interesting - considering the years you spent in NR???
Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 20:30:56 (UTC)
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Benjamin Ngulube
Benjamin Ngulube, who grew up in Nkana and returned from school and university in the UK to work at Rhokana and later became a director of Zesco, is the current President of the South African Institution of Electrical Engineers. I am a committee member of the Western Region of the SAIEE in Cape Town and Benjamin delivered his most impressive Presidential Address at a special meeting here this evening. I had the honour of proposing the vote of thanks to this very successful son of Zambia. We chatted about the GNR and he is keen to join. Funny how we all feel this pull towards the land of our youth! I hope that in a very short while we will have this influential gentleman as a member of the GNR. After his slight computer problems here this evening we both agreed that we were only slide rule literate!
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 19:24:31 (UTC)
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NICKY,YOU'RE RIGHT.IT WAS LEAD GIUTAR AND NOT BASS THAT I PLAYED WITH BLUE JAYS,AND MY MEMORY IS NOT THE ONLY THING I'VE LOST. AT LEAST WITH A MEMORY LIKE MINE I MEET NEW FRIENDS EVERY DAY, I CAN HIDE MY OWN EASTER EGGS ETC.
I JOINED THAT DANCING CLASS BECAUSE I FANCIED RHONA, DEREKS' SISTER. SHE WAS ONE OF THE INSTRUCTERS (DEREK BUILDS FERROCEMENT BOATS ,WAS IN DURBAN,BUT I THINK HE MOVED TO THE CARIBBEAN. TOUGH, BUT SOMEONE'S GOT TO DO IT)
CHEERS,
MIGHT SEE YOU JUNE-JULY
Charlie Johnstone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edenvale, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 14:27:50 (UTC)
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John Steers:
You sly things! Happy birthday. We could have shared a bottle of bubbly with you yesterday, had we known it was your birthday. Hope you enjoyed yourself.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 08:32:59 (UTC)
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John Steers, Trevor Grundy, Steven Hartles
Best wishes on your birthday
Craig's Crackerjack Party
Saturday 20th March
6.00 pm
Breakwater Tavern, Hillary's Boat Harbour, Perth
Followed by dinner/dancing, etc.
Please contact Marilyn (In Sue Forde's Absence)
peaches AT westnet.com.au
Tel. 9203 5113
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 08:23:36 (UTC)
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Marilyn what were your attendance figures?.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 07:17:19 (UTC)
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Marilyn,
Just a brief note to add my thanks to those of all the others. It was great to meet you again and to put faces to so many other names that have become familiar through the GNR. Unfortunately at a get-together like that there's never the time to talk to everyone, so we'd better have another before too long so that we can all get to know one another!
On which note, thanks again and see you on Saturday.
Ray Wright [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 00:55:50 (UTC)
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Marilyn
Thank you for arranging the Purler Party, it was great and I really enjoyed myself. It would be nice if you can arrange a BBQ as it would be great to meet Craig. Wonderful meeting other GNRers, I really felt like I was back home. Alix it was good to finally you meet you. Hope you all enjoy yourself on Saturday.
Sandra Hooper (née Marsh) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Monday, March 15, 2004 at 00:15:22 (UTC)
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Thanks a lot, Craig! It worked.
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 21:29:26 (UTC)
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Reading Doug's story about Mokambo,brought back memories, I lived in Mokambo from 1952-54. this was on the NR side of the border. I can't remember how far from the border it was, but there were two house on the right heading for the border, and about a quarter of a mile down the road was a hotel on the left of the road. Well I lived in the first house there and actualy planted a mango tree at the front of the house just beside the road. As I grew it from a pip it was only a small tree when we left. Could someone tell me if the houses or the tree were still there when last any of you where there, especially Muf. folk. Also could you let me know how far from the boder it was. I was only 6-7years old when I was there so can't remember the technical details.
Charlie
Good to see you posting, do you remember when we joined June Trotter to learn modern dancing? You didn't survive with two left feet.Ha! Ha! I went on to win acouple of competitions. Never mind at least we made it in the band world. By the way, you played lead guitar with us in the Blue Jays. Derek Klenwick played Bass.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 19:38:00 (UTC)
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My friend had this sent to her from another friend in Canada.
How Do You Live Your Dash
I read of a man who stood to speak
At the funeral of a friend
He referred to dates on her tombstone
From beginning .....to the end
He noted that first came her date of birth
And spoke the date with tears,
But he said that what mattered most of all
Was the dash between those years
(1903 - 1999)
For the dash represents all the time
That she spent alive on earth......
And now only those who loved her
Know what that little line is worth
For it matters not, how much we own;
The cars....the house....the cash..
What matters is how we live and love
And how we spend our dash.
So think about this long and hard....
Are there things you'd like to change?
For you never know how much time is left,
That still can be rearranged.
If we could slow down enough
To consider what's true and real
And always try to understand
The way other people feel.
And be less quick to anger
And show appreciation more
And love the people in our lives
Like we've never loved before.
If we treat each other with respect,
And more often wear a smile....
Remember that this special dash
Might only last a little while.
So when your eulogy's read
With your life's actions to rehash.....
Would you be proud of the things they say
About how you spent your dash?
-Author Unknown
Isn't the internet wonderful? Thanks for the Birthday greetings last month...it was my 80th!
Rachel Mounsey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 16:08:23 (UTC)
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Marilyn....
I don't think even the Amarula could get me to whistle.I was last in line when whistles were given out.....though Jade has made it up for me.she has a whistle just as loud and clear like yours :O0
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 13:37:36 (UTC)
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Alix,
I'm starting Whistling classes next week. There's only one rule; you have to imbibe one bottle of Marula juice before class!
I'm pleased you made it safely through the ski class.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 13:19:08 (UTC)
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MARILYN.
A big THANKS for arranging this afternoon, it was lovely to meet you at last, and meeting up with new and old faces, Linda I finally met Sandra , what a lovelly person!!.in fact all our GNRers are the BEST (must have been something in the water !!)
Northerners!!!
We have some very talented people amongst us and this afternoon another showed her colours....Marilyn I wish I could whistle as well as you !!!..
Johnny .... I WAS a good girl...I had to be good as later on this afternoon I went surf skiing in the river.....and hey I only tipped over once.......but beware I AM going to imbibe the beautiful Amarula next week.......
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 11:30:53 (UTC)
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Northerners,
Excuse any typo's but you know what it's like when a group of spunky GNR's get together! A wine here, a wine there and lots of chatter and laughs everywhere. We had a great time and I'm so grateful to everyone who made the effort to come along today, to the Perth Purler Party.
Arthur, the Perth Python Party is a definite event on the calender. We just need to schedule it in at a convenient time to everyone everywhere.
Noel Daley:
Thank you for taking the time out of your day. I know you had to dash off and really enjoyed meeting you. I hope we can catch up on Saturday. Save the last dance for me!
Johhny,
Alix was very well behaved, even without her eldest daughter. In fact, she looks younger than her youngest daughter.
We're all talking about meeting Craig next Saturday and I'm taking extra Oz Lotto tickets on Tuesday so that Linda, Tina and Arthur can make it across too. Hold thumbs. You never know.
Hopefully, my best efforts on the new digital camera were good enough to send images for posting on the site.
Sandra, Lilly and Helen, we will have the BBQ so stay tuned.
Peter, thank you for keeping all my boyfriends 'honest' at the Astra Cinema! Aileen, it was great to introduce you to Tammy - two members from Ndola.
Once again, thank all of you who made it today. I had so much fun and hope to do it again on Saturday and thereafter.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 10:05:24 (UTC)
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Marilyn as I type this 0800 gmt you will all be feeling very rosie by now keep an eye on my girlfriend she has been known to consume large amounts of Marula juice the stuff the elephants seem to like in Zab land and like the elephants has been known to run amok but if she has got her eldest daughter with her no need to worry she will sort her out, my pc seems to have regained normality but time will tell, I have run two uptodate virus checkers through it the last two days and at least I have no viruses, the last virus I recieved was from our esteemed Arthur unbeknown to him of course some swine had hijacked his name and distributed a load of
manure, so be vigilant and download your checker regulary and all of you enjoy your day.Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 08:33:03 (UTC)
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Barbara/Johnny
Thanks for your messages. We'll be toasting you and having fun. I hope we have a good turn out.
Johnny, I seem to be having a few problems now too. Hope your computer is now 100% up and running.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 01:03:50 (UTC)
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To all of you in Perth, I hope you have a great time at the get together,on Sunday. Will be thinking of you. Enjoy.......
Trish
Looking forward to meeting up with you when you come over to the UK soon, also Kate.
Barbara Hey (née Brock) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 21:40:48 (UTC)
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Marilyn, Alix and all the purlers have a great thrash we all wish we could be there, Johnny
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 20:00:10 (UTC)
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Marilyn...... looking forward to tomorrows Purler and meeting up with friends.
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:52:00 (UTC)
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Philip Pain:
I really loved your poem. I've just dropped my mum back at her aged care home and the words are so true. Sometimes Mum looks at me with tears in her eyes and says "I don't know what's happening to me but I can't do ..... such and such or, like today, "I haven't seen days for days. Is he sick?" My dad passed away in 2000 and some days Mum really can't take it in. She's started falling and getting a bit depressed but, behind it all, she still manages to smile and make us laugh. Dementia is a terrible disease. My father had it, and so did Clive's dad and so some times I worry but my motto is "Live life as it is today and just go for it."
I'm looking forward to meeting up with some Northerners and Southerners too, tomorrow. as I know there will be a few at the Purler Party.
Wish we could all be there! We'll be thinking of you all.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:47:16 (UTC)
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Sue Forde - URGENT
Please email me at home. Forget your ironing - just buy new clothes when you arrive in Sydney!!!!!
peaches@westnet.com.au
So nice talking to you - we'll toast your health, along with all absent friends and members of the GNR, tomorrow at the Perth Purler Party.
We're Working on Craig's Crackerjack Party - I'll email Heather and she'll post a really nice notice for us. I really need to use the software. If Philip with One P can do it, so can I!
Enjoy the Lion King, Love Birds!
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:40:18 (UTC)
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Meant to change my location before posting that. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Macksville, New South Wales, Australia
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:38:57 (UTC)
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OK Bill, at the risk of boring the longer enrolled members. "From the Saga of John Malcolm Glen".
John often used to go across the border to Mokambo, a small town in the Congo pedicle. He used to repair cars & lighting plants belonging to the Chef du Post (District Commissioner) & the Army Commandant. The Congo money was useless & they used to pay him in Simba beer, a very excellent beer in litre bottles.
John became the Murundu wholesaler for Simba beer, with cases stacked high in his house. He also used to bring back truckloads of sacks of flour, cases of Scotch whisky, & cases of American Blue Ribbon whole chicken in a can. I think most of this was United Nations supplies that had found their way onto the black market.
Thereby lies a story. One night I was riding with John through Mokambo with a full truckload of goods. It was late at night & all was quiet, when we were stopped by a Congolese army patrol. John tried to explain to the officer that he was a big chommy of the Chef du Post. The officer was newly transferred to Mokambo & only spoke French or Lingala & couldn't or didn't want to understand us. He was a real nasty arrogant pig. He told us that we were under arrest. We could not understand him but his actions were clear enough. He jumped in the front of the truck on my side & shouted to his troops to get on the back, but before they could get on John put his foot on the accelerator & sharply pulled away. The officer was most upset & pulled out his handgun & pointed it at John's head, while jabbering away in froggytaal. I was in the middle & the gun was right under my nose. John said, “For Christ's sake take that gun off that twot & stick it up his arse!" I ripped the gun out of Froggy's hands & threw it out of the window. He now freaked out but John turned into a side road & drove out of town into the dark African night. John at this time was heavily built & very muscular. He turned towards Froggy & run his finger across his throat from ear to ear. This did not require interpretation & Froggy's tune changed from threatening to begging. He realized that he was all alone with two dangerous Mulungu's & his soldiers & his gun were far behind. He tried to jump out of the speeding truck but I grabbed him. After a few miles we got to the house of Pierre Lombardo, a friend of John's who ran a sawmill. John hooted & his friend came out with a gun. Froggy fell out of the truck & lay rolling in the dust & begging for his life. John asked Pierre to interpret to Froggy that we were not going to hurt him & he should not harass us because the Chef du post was our patron. We drove off leaving Froggy to walk home. By the time we got back to Mokambo the soldiers had all retired to one of the bars & we crossed the border without further mishap. A few days later John told me that Froggy had been arrested for losing his gun & transferred far away so there would be no
more crap from him.
For a while John reveled in the nickname of the White cannibal of Mufulira although it wasn't so funny at the time. He used to get cheap meat from his friend Pierre in Mokambo who got it from Elizabethville (Lubumbashi). One day when John went to pick up his meat he found the whole family in hysterics. The wife showed him a newspaper article, but as it was written in French John could not understand what was happening. Finally Pierre calmed down enough to tell John the story. Apparently the man who had been supplying them with meat had been caught in the mortuary at night cutting off the bums & thighs from the corpses to supply his butchery. The newspaper reported that he had been tried by military tribunal & executed. So now they were wondering whether the rump steak and roasts that they had been enjoying were boys meat. John rushed home & checked his deep freeze. Selecting one dubious piece of steak he took it in to a friend in the Mine Hospital laboratories & asked him to test it without mentioning his suspicions.
The next afternoon when he came home from work he was shocked to find the police together with health officials emptying all the meat from his deep freeze. Apparently the lab technician had found that the steak was indeed human meat & had gone straight to the police. John managed to rescue a few chickens & fish from the cops but the rest was hauled off together with him to the charge office. He made a full statement & ended up only being charged with importing meat without a permit. Anyway that's John's story. You can take it with a pinch of salt, & some pepper too if you like. John says he didn't touch meat for nearly 3 weeks after that. When we used to go to the mine mess, John would order a salad and your mate, Hendry van Vuuren, would come and join our table with a large steak and mercilessly tease John.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:36:23 (UTC)
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Trip to Perth
Unfortunately I won't make it for the Perth Purler this Sunday, but I will be in Perth between March 19th and 25th, so I do hope to meet some of you then.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 11:35:20 (UTC)
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anybody out there remember Nippy Cripwell from broken hill?
I would like to know how he got that nickname.
he won't even tell his wife.
his proper name was Jonathan Hart Cripwell
thanks.
really dig this site.
so many names from the past.
Charlie Johnstone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edenvale, Gauteng, South Africa
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 10:04:21 (UTC)
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Regarding the Copper Train incident, one of the perps was Jumbo Dutronich from Kitwe. He worked on Nkana Mine and was very prominent with the Pirates Rugby Club. He was sentenced to a stretch in Broken Hill, and escaped along with a guy called Joe DeWet from Chingola, whom I had arrested for all sorts of shady stuff. Strange thing was,they were both nabbed on the train heading for S.R.So much for BH being a maximum security facility. Jumbo died in S.A about '74 or so. Never did find out what happened to DeWet, only know his wife took up with Corrie Els from Chingola - a very good golfer, I might add.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Saturday, March 13, 2004 at 01:47:29 (UTC)
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Ooops sorry,
Heather, happy birthday
Yunus Badat [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 23:16:53 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt yes I remember that incident of the copper bars very well and was sorry to hear in later life that one of the main characters in the story was knocked down a killed in SA, but the best one was when a whole train load was some how diverted to Elisebethville and all the trucks re named to proceed to Biera and sent off again all the the way back down there, where they were I believe loaded on to a freighter and shipped to Japan clever stuff.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 19:34:40 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar
I note from recent news reports that there is a furore in Canada regarding the quality of pork reaching the public.
Seems that its possible that some of it may have come from pigs that have been fed on human flesh.
Doug, do you think that the Mokambo family butcher you & Johnnyboy Glen patronised while living in Murundu could be involved in this recycling exercise?!!
Its time your tale is revisited for the benefit of all the newby GNR posters!
Best Regards
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 18:58:32 (UTC)
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Any vintage oldtimers out there remember the Great Copper Train Robbery? (I'm sure June Bohl can expand on the tale)
As I recall, it was the high speed express train travelling on the main line heading south from Kitwe to Ndola & involved members of a prominent Kitwe Family ( I mean big!) No names no pack drill!!
The loot (98% pure copper wirebar) was actually unloaded off the 'fast moving' goods train & picked up by the miscreant's colleagues alongside the rail track at their leisure.
Man! Those Copperbelt types were an industrious lot!!
Best Wishes to all GNRs.
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 18:45:10 (UTC)
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Philip Pain
Great piece of poetry that Philip. Very true - we are all victims of the passage of time.
Go well
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 17:21:41 (UTC)
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Yes, I know.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 15:09:29 (UTC)
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A poem on being "Elderly"
When an old lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near Dundee, Scotland, it was felt that she had nothing left of any value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital.
As a lot of us on the Great North Road may have parents who are getting on in years I would like to share this poem with you.
An Old Lady's Poem
What do you see, nurses, what do you see?
What are you thinking when you're looking at me?
A crabby old person, not very wise,
uncertain of habbit, with faraway eyes?
Who dribbles my food and makes no reply,
when you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!"
Who seems not to notice the things that you do,
and forever loosing a stocking or shoe.....
Who, resisting or not, lets you do as you will,
with bathing and feeding, the long day to fill....
Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see?
Then open your eys, nurse; you're not looking at me.
I'll tell you who I am as I sit here so still,
as I do your bidding, as I eat at your will.
I am a small child of ten...with father and mother,
brothers and sisters, who love one another.
A young girl of sixteen, with wings on her feet,
dreaming that soon now a lover she'll meet.
A bride soon at twenty--my heart gives a leap,
remembering the vows that I promised to keep.
At twenty-five now, I have young of my own,
who need me to guide and a secure happy home.
A woman of thirty, my young now grown fast,
bound to each other with ties that should last.
At forty, my young sons have grown and are gone,
but my man's beside me to see I don't mourn.
At fifty once more, babies play round my knee,
again we know children, my loved one and me.
Dark days are upon me, my husband is dead;
I look at the future, I shudder with dread.
For my young are all rearing young of their own,
and I think of the years and the love that I've known.
I'm now an old person...and nature is cruel;
'tis jest to make old age look like a fool.
The body, it crumbles, grace and vigour depart,
there is now a stone where I once had a heart.
But inside this old carcass a young girl still dwells
and now and again my battered heart swells.
I remember the joys, I remember the pain,
and I'm loving and living life over again.
I think of the years..... all too few, gone too fast,
and accept the stark fact that nothing can last.
So open your eyes, people, open and see,
not a crabby old person; look closer....see ME!!
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 14:38:43 (UTC)
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Hi Jacqui,
The end justify the means – you gave four new street names, and John graciously came out of lurking to provide another three or four. That’s >7 % of Arthur’s numbers, and all it took were a few blunt and honest words.
My back’s recovering in leaps and bounds. I’ve single-handedly erected a pergola over the stoep of one of our spare bedrooms – now I must plant an African Jasmine to cover it; and last weekend I shot a storming round of skeet at the local shooting club I’ve joined (Bill Knott – they shoot all disciplines, even 200 yard smallbore). I’ve taken to my new neighbourhood like the proverbial duck to water. I haven’t played regular golf since it was a requisite part of my job in George, some 7 years ago, but am now eyeing the two courses within 5 kms of my new home.
I really wasn’t berating Wayne. He used to know the physical address of every pretty girl in BH – so he’ll have to dust off his little black book and start typing.
I recall the name ‘Drummond Chaplin’, but can’t place where it was. What street was the Coronation Flats on? Who was Drummond Chaplin? For that matter, who was Arthur Lawley? Alfred Lawley was one of the key engineers in constructing the Vic Falls Bridge. Was Arthur his smarter, younger brother? It’s like the road names on the N1 out of Cape Town. Nobody can tell me who Jip de Jager or Willie van Schoor were/are!
PS Watch out for “p*5z!ng on your battery” – it could lead to a damaged fanbelt! LOL
Gill Ward – I hope you got my email.
Dawid Braam Pieterse-Cooper van Amsterdam
How’s progress after your op? Some Afrikaaner tyro (nuweling /’n groene), with a Scottish identity crisis, need your mentoring. What’s it like being a lurker? On your own site???
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 14:14:08 (UTC)
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Happy Retirement
May you have a long and happy retirement Robert and Karen. I face that milestone in a couple of months time when I turn 65! Retired folk tell me that they are so busy they don't know where they ever found the time for work. So beware!!
I'm not so sure I like the sound of retirement - guess it is fear of the unknown. Having had 43 years of fascinating employment I will have to adjust to a new way of life where deadlines aren't as looming and alarm clocks don't ring at 4 am so one can catch an early flight somewhere. Maybe I will at last find time to edit a 16mm film I shot of the Copperbelt way back in the '60s. It will be titled 'The Copper River' and follows the Kafue through the Copperbelt towns as it winds southwards.
May you be blessed with good health, lots of time to do all the things that you have been planning to do when you got round to it and sufficient income to allow you to accomplish everything!
All the very best
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 11:52:05 (UTC)
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Ken Fernie...
Not so sure about the meaning of that Dutch word neuk.... You cannot trust those Hollanders from Scheveningen!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 11:46:10 (UTC)
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Mary Gilbert, Ron Behrens
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 05:05:09 (UTC)
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KEN F. No, I don't surprise myself with Afrikaans - it's just that some folk find my interest strange, and you have only to hear an Englishman say LoCK Lomond to realize what a head start we have met die ou Taal. I'm a Highlander myself but have always had a keen interest in old Scots words - pinky and kirk and dyke and keek spring to mind as being close to Afrikaans or Dutch. One wonders about such words as speug, tod, gowdspink, moudiwart, skeich, wersh, baudrons, an' siclike.
James Findlay Sleigh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada
Friday, March 12, 2004 at 03:04:48 (UTC)
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To James Findlay Sleigh.
I'm surprised that you are surprised at a Scotsman being able pronounce words in Afrikaans. After all, there is a very large Old Dutch influence where I was born in Dysart, Fife. Seems that Dutch Fisherfolk found their way to our coast and left behind them some very Dutch-type nuances and indeed words. The area from Dysart to Elie, is still referred to a "The East Neuk o'Fife".
In older houses the fire-place is called "The Ingle-neuk". Ingle being Fire and Neuk being corner. There are still excellent examples of Old Dutch Architecture where the upper floor is reached by an outside staircase. Some of the very elderly say "Sou-Wast".
Guess what that means. Short quiz coming up next period
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 23:52:33 (UTC)
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Re: 'foefie'. My mentor in LA sent me the following; I'm sure he won't mind me passing on the info:-
When we were kids we used to string a approx 50 yard bloudraad wire from a tree to the ground with a 12 in section of metal water pipe moving up and down the wire. We then used to hold onto the pipe and slide down the wire to the ground, across rivers was nice too because you could then let go and splash into the water. We used to call this a "Foefie" slide. Once I was sliding down the slide and the wire broke. Unfortunately there was no river underneath and I landed flat on my back from about 15 feet. I did not feel very good for a while.
I seem to see the word foefie is also associated with cigarette filters. Foelie is foil.
James Findlay Sleigh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 22:09:26 (UTC)
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Charles Cartmill
I remember the f. slide - I think it was from the top of what seemed to me then a 'huge' anthill and was a hard climb back up with the rope. Great fun at all my birthday parties. Where are your sisters now? I see you are in cape Town.
Johnny
My Dad, Sam Cantrell, made up a poem about Boons Bar which he sort of performed at a variety show - I know it began " the batwing doors of old boons bar....... but the rest is lost. I am sure I have a copy somewhere and will get hunting for it when I get a chance.
Gill Ward (née Cantrell) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, South Africa
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 19:51:30 (UTC)
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Charlie
Your back must be on the mend - allowing you a rant like that! Were you standing up and banging on the keyboard? Ha! Ha! Sorry to have p*ssed on your battery but this is my first trip on the GNR for almost a week - however I will add a few more street names for the BH map and hope that all is forgiven?
We lived in Evans Street, which I think is #63? We also lived in Birney Ave which appears to be in the #55 area. Friends of mine lived in Elm Street which I think is #57 and we also lived in a street called Drummond Chaplin which I can't even see on this map! I will have another closer look and see if I can find it.
Lastly Charlie, how can you berate Wayne when he lived on the farm? Ha! Ha! Take care my friend - luv ya
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 18:32:23 (UTC)
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Charles: We must have the same edition of the Tweetalige
Skool-Woordeboek, because it gives the same definitions of 'foefie' as yours. My dictionary was a gift from a kindly policeman in Pietermaritzburg. I get Afrikaans lessons these days by e-mail etc. from a kind chap in Los Angeles. Some folks wonder why a Scot would want to learn Afrikaans, but I discovered that if I put the 'ch' sound as in 'loch' at the beginning of such words as 'gegeet', I can leave any Engelsman standing!
James Findlay Sleigh [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Canada
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 15:06:04 (UTC)
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Peter,
I'm sure Robert Worrill has the answer. According to my “Tweetalige Skoolwoordeboek” – Foefie, (-s), dodge, trick; pretext.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 11:37:55 (UTC)
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It appears that I was a little premature thinking that I had beaten the little B-----after 7 hours of professional attention and 11 days of misery this morning it took around 1 hour to download 1 message from Tina so it is back to the drawing board again.
Bob and Karen have a happy retirement but keep in touch with the the road, as there is not that many of us ex Chingolians very active nowadays, and Charlie you are correct I do not remember the original site of Boones Bar but the one I used to use when I was sentenced to do penitance in Broken Hill stll had the batwing doors.
Regards to all, your intermitten friend Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 10:10:28 (UTC)
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Robert...
Congratulations on your retirement!
I retired four years ago..... But pasop!!!
Very soon after I retired I was made a great offer to do an E-Government IT implementation project which I did and completed in two years. I had great fun doing the job and it was a great success so much so I was nominated for the Lieutenant Governor's award that year. Did not get it - was beaten by an already dead Deputy Minister...
Then I REALLY retired until I was offered my current job - a three year contract as Director, Academic Computing at the university here. In itself a miracle as I left school after Form IV in Broken Hill and never attended university and 93% of full time faculty have PhD's. The reason I took it is because I am surrounded by 2,500 twenty year old maidens and I get 14 paid weeks off in the summer, two weeks at Xmas and a week at March break!!! This summer I am off from May 7 until August 16. Oh yes, the job itself is fantastic too....
They have already asked if I want to extend my contract to five years...
Foefie slides..
I have written to Die Burger in South Africa to see if someone there can help out with the origin and meaning of Foefie.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 09:49:41 (UTC)
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Bob A:
Congratulations of your (almost) retirement. Enjoy the fruits of your labours. You'll be living in a little bit of Paradise from what I hear.
Good luck to you.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 08:57:15 (UTC)
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Wilfred Wilson
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 05:48:43 (UTC)
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Well, it has finally arrived .
Tomorrow is my last day at work -ever.
After Friday 12th March 2004 I am due to retire at the age of 62 years (and a bit since 22nd January).
So my present e-mail address will no longer apply after Friday 12th.
Contact me on milindislopes@hotmail.com for the present, at home or anywhere. (Spammers beware!)
Karen and I will be retiring to Mallacoota Inlet from Melbourne just as soon as we can manage.
(Near Gabo Island, and just south of Eden for those who don't know).
Hope to keep up with the GNR.
Bob A.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 05:07:44 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thank you for posting a reminder to all Perth-ites about the reunion on Sunday.
The management at Villa Bianci have agreed to open a smaller cafe, attached to the main restaurant, just for the GNR Reunion. They serve light meals, such as pizza, etc. and a full bar so I really hope we get a good turn out.
I've had lots of 'phone calls saying people are busy that day but would like to plan for another later in the year.
Noel Dailly:
Really nice to talk to you last night. Hope you can pop in for at least a drink or bring your crowd of people with you to the reunion!
Looking forward to meeting lots of members and non-members on Sunday.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 01:37:28 (UTC)
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Joy at last with my internet connection !
Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 19:40:19 (UTC)
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From Perth ?
Then don't forget
Perth Purler Party
Sunday 14th March 2004
Stamford Arms Pub, Scarborough
from midday onwards
If you are will be attending, please contact Marilyn Noall on +61 8 9203 5113 or email mnoall AT fusionoil.com.au
Bookings for lunch can be made at a nearby restaurant
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 06:04:38 (UTC)
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Linda,
Here is a usage of the word which may give a clue to its meaning:
"This is what one would describe as a 'foefie'," said Puckrin - describing the Club's self-proclaimed club status as a "stratagem" intended to prevent it from complying with commercial flight safety regulations.
So perhaps it means pseudo, false, counterfeit, fake, sham, substitute.
Regards
Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Wednesday, March 10, 2004 at 02:29:39 (UTC)
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Chris Cantrell,
All this talk about ‘Foefie’ slides has jogged my memory – Rowena mentioned that you, and your sister, had a Foefie Slide. Man - you have some years on me! Not even my young friend, Johnny Green, would be able to recalled Boon’s Bar on Broadway (just North of Beasley’s?). Pity it was moved as it would have been easier to describe its location to Arthur.
I vaguely remember going on a KG V1 school tour of ‘The Prisons’ (I never knew it was named after “Artie”), and your father Sam conducted it. I can’t recall the teacher who arranged the tour (possibly ‘Snakey’ – Geography or ‘Pongo’ – History), but I’m sure his motivation was to put a crib bit on our exuberance!
Arthur,
How’s the BH street name compilation going? I'm only on about 24% of your numbers.
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 18:30:33 (UTC)
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Joy at last but now only Ems to action 5 Thanks Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 17:46:17 (UTC)
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Nick Mavrokefalos!!
You posted some time ago and said you were soliciting in London! Contact me soon as I am in the UK but I am sailing my boat to the Pacific in August! I have a great photo to show you of us in my canoe on the Kafue (just before we had to row like hell as the hippos were out to get us!) That was the last time I saw you: my boating skills have improved since then. I am on my way to Brisbane (via Panama) where my sister (Jennifer) now lives with countless CAA pilots who had all ended up working for Cathay Pacific in Hong Kong. There is veritable enclave of Rhodesians retired on the Gold Coast of Australia! The Kafue Boat Club was a great training ground for life on the ocean waves. A sea snake once washed into our cockpit on a big wave and I was the only one trained to deal with this. The rest of the crew were either climbing the mast or trying to launch the liferaft! My boat is called Indaba by the way and the dinghy is called Mningy Indaba!
Contact soon: where is Steve Ferguson the big wuss, who couldn't ride a Honda to save his life?
John Burnie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sailing, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 17:35:04 (UTC)
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Northerners:
I have been corrected in email by our Headmistress, Ms. Jilly Aplin, on the spelling of the slide at Rhodwins. It is "foefie."
Having been corrected, I did a google search for it. There are hundreds of such slides in Southern Africa. So, I decided it must be Afrikans. Alas, my Afrikans to English search yielded a big fat zero. I can only deduce that it is Afrikans slang as it is shown in quotations wherever it is.
The great search for the origin and definition of this word is now on.
By the way, I live close to a town called Pflugerville, pronounced "Floogerville" but there are no pfoofee slides there, unfortunately.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 13:39:37 (UTC)
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Linda,
I think it was called a foofy slide,because when you went down it you usually got water up your foofy valve,instant colonic irregation.ha!ha!or maybe it was just the smell one emmited after they had been down it.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 13:22:37 (UTC)
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Linda
We always called a slide from one tree to the ground a foofy slide, not just the Rhodwins one, so the word must mean something but I haven't a clue.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 12:01:41 (UTC)
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You can get an interesting slant on news from Africa from here, just copy and paste the link into your web browser address bar:
http://africa.resurrectionsong.com/
Regards
Rob
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 06:54:35 (UTC)
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Linda I think the one to perhaps answer your questions on Rodwins would be Melanie Bousfield as her father I believe was the man who installed or first opened it many years ago , but I know that Melanie is a busy Buisness woman who does not get much time nowadays to read the GNR so maybe better with a direct EM
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 06:51:25 (UTC)
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Lynette Shearer, Trevor Richards, John Holland, Mike Hart, Alan Tomlinson, Edward Collard, David Norris
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 05:34:53 (UTC)
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Linda,
Here in New Zealand they are called Flying Foxes. I thought the name was Afrikaans in origin but I do not know what it means.
Regards
Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 03:21:41 (UTC)
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Today's trivia question:
I'm just curious. Why was the slide at Rhodwins called a foofy (foofee?) slide? What does that mean and who gave it that name?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, March 09, 2004 at 03:06:32 (UTC)
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Welcome back Johnny.
Computers are just like that girl with the curl right in the middle of her forehead.
Cheers
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 20:49:56 (UTC)
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this is the first time in 8 days that my pc has allowed me to clock in on this board it will all be fixed tommorow i hope regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 19:31:20 (UTC)
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Robert Worrill Thanks for the tip for trying to fix my pc but the problem is I canot download anything, but the professional is arriving tommorow to put every thing right again I hope, apologies to any one who has tried to contact me I know there is dozens of messages waiting to be down loaded but after 8 days now some will be out of date, but will let you know as soon as I am operational again regards to all Johnny.This is the first time for days it has allowed me to open this message board.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 19:23:37 (UTC)
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I had to laugh when I saw the word "mugwump" as I had a maths teacher at Chingola High (her name escapes me) who used to call me mugwump all the time. I think it had something to do with the fact that I hadn't the fogiest idea what she was talking about most of the time. She had a voice like a foghorn and used to scare the living daylights out of me so I wasn't going to admit that I didn't understand the subject. Instead I made a bigger fool of myself trying to baffle her with bull dust - to put it politely.
By the way I had no idea what it meant until today!!
Betty Mahady (née Horn) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 15:41:49 (UTC)
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Noreen D'Cruz and John Crowle:
If this is of any help to you, I remember the name of the road we lived on. The road Sacred Heart Parish and Dominican Convent were situated on was Jacaranda Avenue. The road was aptly named because of the plentiful blossoms that that tree produced and littered the road like a sea of purple. I was only 8 years old and have this memory still!
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 14:48:26 (UTC)
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Dianne Young
I believe you have been looking for me! This comes via Trevor Cliffe - so please e-mail me via the GNR and I will willingly communicate!!
Also, does anyone know whatever happened to Elspeth Palmary who was accountant at Vennie Myers Gowns in the '60's for a while.
Also ... late '60's maybe early '70's there was a teacher, I think she taught at Kitwe Primary, was single and living with her elderly mom - I believe her first name started with an M. She went on holiday and travelled the Trans Siberian railway which I thought very brave in those days. Sorry to be so vague!
Regards
Kris
Kristien E. Massie (née Mostert, formerly Van Woenssel) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 09:26:27 (UTC)
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Trevor Cliffe, Dave Simpson,Ron Lawler, Jenny Charbonnier, Peter Carfoot, Bob Robertson
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 07:16:02 (UTC)
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Miles,
My former wife and I were active in the Little Theatre between the mid-Fifties and 1963.
Arthur Short was heavily involved in geting the theatre built with a great deal of assistance from Mark Rushton.
A driving force in the production was a wonderful man who managed one of the emporiums on the main street in Chingola. Sadly, I cannot remember his name. One of his productions "Whistling down the Chimney" or something like that, was such a success that theatre- goers from all over the Copperbelt made the trip and it had an extended run.
I think the bar at the theatre was one of the great watering spots in NR.
Robert Huntley [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Carmel, California, United States
Monday, March 08, 2004 at 00:02:17 (UTC)
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Re: Mary Maxwell's Photo's Thursday 4th March
Hi -
I believe the unknown lady artist in the picture to be Paula Findlay, wife of the dentist, John Findlay. Paula was very much involved in the Chingola Arts Theatre. She was an artist in her own right, but also designed and painted scenery for the theatre. She was a lady of many talents as she produced, as well as acted in, many memorable plays and musicals in the late fifties and early sixties. She was quite an inspiration to all those involved at the Little Theatre in Chingola, as I was, in my youth.
If no-one claims the picture, I would very much like to have it!
Miles Mader
Miles Mader [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Middlesex, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 23:26:14 (UTC)
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LINDA AND GEORGE
George, I would have to talk to my mom who is munching biltong in Capetown until April, as I was furtively leafing through her personal papers!, but I cam e accross such gems, I thought that Id share them with the GNR. I will certainly put your proposition to her, she has recently moved into a "Granny Annexe" attached to our Leitrim Hacienda, and is reluctantly downsizing.
Linda, I dont have a scanner, but will drag myself to one soonish, then I,ll scan tons of stuff through to Arthur, including photos, letters, programs, and he can have a sift through and use what he thinks is of interest.
Message to mom, via Ed Rybicki, thanks so much for the "ostrich" biltong, tasted a little like kudo, keep those parcels rolling mother!
Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 21:40:17 (UTC)
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Welcome aboard - John - and thanks for your contributions.
Chris - a "mugwump" is American-Indian for "a fence-sitter". Perfectly acceptable as Sunday fare. Only my frustration was not acceptable - and I apologise to all.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 21:29:36 (UTC)
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We lived in Kabwe from 1970 – 1973 and our house was situated just opposite the Dominican Convent and beside the Sacred Heart Catholic Church. My dad (Samuel D'Cruz) was the Veterinary Surgeon in Kabwe and the resident Vet always occupied this house. The name of the road seems to escape my mind! I remember however, that we had an amazing number of mango trees (of different varieties) in the yard, which were great to climb.
In those days, the tradition was to sing carols around the Big Tree a week or so before Christmas.
Noreen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Canada
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 21:26:37 (UTC)
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Having lurked for the past two or three years, and I have to say enjoying the site enormously I feel shamed into making my minor contribution to the great Kabwe street-naming fest.
43 – Livingstone Avenue
70 – Centenary Avenue
98 – Arthur Lawley Street – I think the Provincial Commissioner lived on the crescent just off to the right
78 – Hawke Crescent
By the way is this going to include a list of landmarks, including the names of schools, offices and the like? If so:
The school right in the centre is the Parker Primary with the main school to the left and the buildings at the right hand side being the dormitories.
King George VI School is at the eastern end of Livingstone Avenue next to the Met Station.
Shell Road goes north from the town through the ‘Industrial Sites’ with the PWD compound on the left, followed by the CARS depot and then the Venus Theatre on the right.
My apologies if this all too obvious but my mind is being strained to the limit by the effort. Most of what I remember is from riding around town on my old Philips injinga 40 years ago. If I come up with any more I’ll be back.
John Crowle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Den Haag, Netherlands
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 20:47:59 (UTC)
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Pappy
Hi! Bruv,any closer to getting home this month? Did you manage to prove you could speak English and weren`t a asylum seeker.Will give you a call soon,be good if yoy can.
Lyd.
Lydia Beck (née Papier) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lincoln, England
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 19:30:30 (UTC)
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Hiya,
Any Brits wanting to find a reasonable priced video/DVD of the fantastic film "The Gods Must Be Crazy" can find it on the NSAT.TV website.
I got my copy last week and have watched it 3 times so far. It never ceases to produce tears of laughter.
David Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bute, Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 18:29:04 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Nirmal!
Do you still have your famous rajah's moustache - like you did 28 years ago? Just can't imagine you being so grown up!
Have a great one.
Noreen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Canada
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 18:15:55 (UTC)
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Chris.
The Rio Cafe, which was situated in the centre of Kabwe on the cross roads, which in early 70's sported the only set of trafic lights in Kabwe. The Rio also supplied the best maize bread in town. The problem was that within a couple of hours of buying, it went hard and was only good for toasting but the taste was always something else.
Mike.
Rhodesian boilers were probably the most dangerous contraptions ever invented to heat water. If too much wood was put on the fire the heat would reverse through the cold water system. Driving round the township and counting the number of scorched circles on lawns would show the new comers to the mine who hadn't quite got the hang of these things.
Although we all got used to it, nobody can describe the initial horror on visiting the bathroom, flushing the toilet and hearing the noise of steam under pressure coming through the system instead of cold water.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 18:12:17 (UTC)
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I'm sorry Charles I cannot condone mugwump on a Sunday! now lets all think nice thoughts about those wonderful BH people. Your first job will be to contact all those people who were at your CT bash and get their old addresses, especially that Wienand chap and the lovely Jill whose Daddy was the top man at CARS. Unfortunately I can only give Artie Mukobeko Prison for my old address
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 16:54:42 (UTC)
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Doesn’t it just p15s you off!
How many times have I sat with a bunch of ex-Zams/NRs. who daily browse the GNR, and make banal comments about the current bunch of subscribers – but never make the effort to add their “tu’pence worth”. Surely – if you lived in Metcalfe Ave or Livingstone Ave – it doesn’t take much effort to confirm what street number Arthur has allocated to it. I can guarantee that, once the map is complete, these “Mugwumps” will be the first to run the map down to their local production house – and have it framed for a ‘pride of place’ in their respective home pubs.
Disregard my previous mumblings – I’m in a very bad mood and just wanted a chance to use the word “Mugwump”.
Arthur – you’ll enjoy it, just look it up in the only true English Dictionary in the world (Oxford - of course -disregarding the fact that the first two words in it are Afrikaans).
Come on, Broken Hill people, show your true salt - I, personally, would like a map of the old town and will make sure that it materialises!
Arthur (thought for the day) how about releasing the map to only those people who have contributed confirmed names.
I need guys like Billy Wilson, Bobby Loxton, Bill Brogan, Malcolm Mannion, Dennis Pullen, Wayne Milward, et al – Bhers – born-and-bred - to get this map completed.
GNRs – now that’s out of my system. Have a lovely day!
Regards
CJ
PS Arthur – What do you know about “Chukky”?
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 15:29:45 (UTC)
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Arthur,
The streets in Luangwa are not correct - they're a little out of phase by aligning Jasmine Street Primary School to Jasmine street (Believe me - I know I'm right!)
Nerina Street
1 Mimosa Street
2 Lobelia Street
3 Kotchia Street
4 Jasmine Street
5 Iris Street
6 Holly Street
7 Godetia Street
8 (continuation of 15 )
9 Foxglove Street
10 Erica Street
11 Daisy Street
12 Clarkia Street
13 Begonia Street
14 Abelia Street
15 ????
16 Luangwa Avenue
Boon's Bar was definitely on 20, just off Braodway.
Nigel Pepperell, Mike Barron, Beth Lloyd, et al,
Let us know the numbers of he streets you lived in. If you don't want to post on the board, please drop me a line - as I'm compiling a spreadsheet of the Streets.
Arthur,
I never once saw a sign "Killroy was here!" in BH. From that, I can only deduce he was born in the town.
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 12:36:22 (UTC)
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Peter
Before there is any confusion, you are quite right Boons Bar is on #20,however the original premises was on Broadway facing the Big Tree, if you walked past you had to watch out for drunks hurtling through the bat wing doors.
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 11:07:26 (UTC)
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Meg
Barbara Tyrrell is a published author and a highly respected painter of the tribes of Southern Africa, I have a copy of her book, the Tribal Peoples of Southern Africa, it is one of my favourites (and an essential reference book for my business).
Sue I too have been wondering - where is Cooper?There has been no sign of him since before Christmas.
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 07:38:27 (UTC)
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Sue Ritson, Rossley Gillies, Nirmal Shaw, Stephen Acornley
Best wishes on your birthday
CJ
Jameson Avenue, although perhaps not officially, is still known as Jameson Avenue.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 07:23:43 (UTC)
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Broken Hill
#56 is Duranta Street.
I thought Boones bar was on #20...
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 04:04:46 (UTC)
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Wow, Meg, what treasures you must be looking at. Are they things you can scan and send to Artie to post for the rest of us to see, by any chance?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 03:37:35 (UTC)
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G'day all!
I wanted to say that I am thoroughly enjoying all the photos and activity on the board. So many catching up and enjoying the discovery of shared memories, as usual.
Well done again, Arthur, Craig and Heather for everything but where's our Dave? We haven't heard a word for ages - just wondered...
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 01:55:09 (UTC)
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I was looking through some of my moms old papers, and came accross some ancient souvenir programs of, amongst others, the program for Lusaka achieving City Status in l960, there were some great old photos in it, and a huge program of events, including some for "African Members of the Public". These included, "Kabwata, boxing match, contestants from K.A.R., NNR., and NRP., to be held at the Welfare Grounds, all very thrilling!
Another great program is the one for LUSAKA GOLDEN JUBILEE, 1913 - 1963 (yr of my birth!). This contained this gem of a paragraph:-
Long ago, Feield Marshal SMuts visited Lusaka when Kin George Avenue was barely in the planning stage and he suggested that double rows of mangoes should be planted on each side. He recommended mangoes so that they might, in the years to come, provide a source of readily available vitamens for some members of the more impecunious sections of the community. It hasnt quite worked out that way. Nowadays some African members of the community pick the fruit while it is still green, and sell it to the Asiatic section. They in turn make it into chutniey and sell it to the European community and everyone is satisfied. Thats the story anyway!
There is also an ancient street map of Lusaka, price ninepence, which must be very old, it didnt have the road we lived in in Woodlands, after Fir Road, which was called Fountains Road (then Sianjalika Rd),.
There are also four watercolor prints of "A Tonga Dandy", "Barotse Woman", and "Grinding Millet", all dated from l947 to 1951, by a woman called Barbara Tyrrell.
I also found assorted bumper stickers, including "Drive safely, and GO with UNIP, and my dads Livingstone Amateur Dramatic Society membership card, dated l0th March, l947, the chairperson of the above society was an M.B. Flatau, was anyone ever in a production with my father , (Peter Rybicki), and did they ever put on anything worth watching?
I also found a Salisbury United Omnibus Co. Ltd l969 timetable, price 3d.
If anyone would like to see copies of these programs, email me, and when I get to a scanner, I could send them on.
The streetmap of Lusaka I am going to frame, its where I grew up. Ciao, Meg
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 00:28:36 (UTC)
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Artie .....what about if I mention Kafue.????.......I did live there for awhile...........
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, March 07, 2004 at 00:10:19 (UTC)
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Charlie
I also meant to ask - why are there hundreds of "Kilroys" scattered on the BH map? What are they supposed to signify?
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 23:02:34 (UTC)
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Charlie, Chris, Peter, David, et al
OK Charlie, good idea, here's the blown-up map of Broken Hill and I have assigned numbers to the streets as you suggested.
Some of the streets run across others and I have assumed they keep the same name as they run across junctions, if any of them change as they do so, let me know.
The draft map is around 330kb and the resolution is not that good, I'm not concerned about that at the moment, I will create a working layer of the image and re-draw the streets and enlarge them further. I will clean everything up later, I'll wait until everyone has sorted out where Boons bar actually was (the map is circa 1960) and provided as many street names as you can all remember.
I may have a chat with one of my old friends and see if I can drag him out of retirement, he's an expert at vector-based mapping and ray-tracing and would do a far better job of the map than I ever could.
Mike Fancourt
Please do send your Kabwe/Broken Hill photos in for posting on the GNR.
I agree Kabwe has more than it's fair share of slag, there's a great big heap of it at the side of the Great North Road as you approach town, but Nkana Kitwe's is far bigger, and better.
Joking aside the "slagging off" is only intended to get you people off their backsides and send stuff in. As I mentioned in my last posting it's your towns Centenery this year and I'd like to see more of an effort to make sure this is not forgotten.
People sometimes complain that it's mainly Nkana Kitwe stuff we get for the site, or just Copperbelt stuff, or just mining stuff, so unless you all contribute we don't get the diversity we should do.
Livingstone and Lusaka don't have slag heaps, but some slagging off will be due shortly unless I see more from them.
Chris Cantrell,
30mph through Kapiri Mposhi? Naah - I was in Heather's car last time I went through - more like 90mph.(not kph)
Hope Ada's keeping well and her matches are dry.
Marilyn, Bob,
Why I never went to Rhodwins got me thinking and I think I've hit the nail on the head. I have two sisters, as those that know them both, Diane and Moira, they will certainly know why we were never allowed to go to Rhodwins, to protect the peace.
I also have nightmares about the place, being "rescued" when I was a young boy, but that was another story.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 22:46:22 (UTC)
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Pappy,
Popeye is Steven De lange, see about 10messages.
So you were an usher at the Astra, well you guys used to smash our knees as well.Ha! Ha! do you remember John Toolen? he was an usher at the astra, he couldn't of had a paper run either.
Popeye. (Steven)
Do you remember my sister Soulla? she worked behind the sweet counter at the Rhokana cinema. Remember it was situated just as you entered the front door.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 21:22:39 (UTC)
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Hi all,
I don't remember a lot of the streets in BH but the C on the mine township was Clarkia street, our first house was there, complete with rhodesian boiler. We moved to Iris street flats after a few weeks. I will try to dig out some pics to post if anyone cares to see them. At last Kabwe is getting some airing and not just being slagged off by the poor folks from the north.
Bye for now,
Mike Fancourt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds,Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 20:59:40 (UTC)
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Hi Charle, Beth & Wayne, Sorry for the spelling, I forgot to edit the message before posting it
Nigel
Nigel Pepperell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Somerset West, South Africa
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 19:50:09 (UTC)
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Hi Charlie Carmill, Sorry I missed the reunion, but I was having a problem with my son Tyrel ( You know the background). I looked at the pictures and in all honestly could not remember all the faces but those I did bought back fond memories. Thanks for the effort.
I had dinner with Mike Armstrong the other day, same old mike just a lot richer. He is married to a nice girl and has three daughters.
Beth, I enjoyed the meal with Pual and yourself, next time I am in Jhb we must do it again.
Wayne Milwood, Let me know your address as i am oftem in East London and I would like to get together to talk about old time
Nigel Pepperell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Somerset West, South Africa
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 19:40:01 (UTC)
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Oops sorry DAVE( Who the hells Bob)
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 19:26:22 (UTC)
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Charles
Yes you are right, I had forgotten Cator Road and of course the Mulungushi road, wasn't the "Airport" down this way? The original builders or owners of DH Patels was the African Lakes Corporation also known as Mandala's they sold to Meikles,who later sold to DH.
Bob
Sean Hayden was the son in law of Old man Proctor(of Proctors Garage) I remember the old place in Davey Ave,the new garage was built opposite next door to the Rio Cafe. When the Old man died Sean took it over, about 5 years ago he was living on Donald Burtons ( My Wifes cousin) farm north of BH
Arthur
In 1963 I was resident in Kapiri Mposhi (according to my marriage certificate) so I can certainly name all the roads at this time here, perhaps you noticed the petrol pump as you went through at 30mph!!!!!!
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 19:21:11 (UTC)
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David, Hoyle,
Yes both names are right. Sean and Fiona Hayden were still in Kabwe last year; I assume they are still there, though I dont think Sean has been very well for sometime. He was pretty active in the Zambian Wildlife Conservation Socy. and he was involved annually in setting up the Kafwala camp in Kafue Reserve each year in the 70's. I have many happy memories of Kafwala and the journey over the Kafue in the pontoon ferry before the new road was opened. I have plenty photos of these visits. One day I might get round to posting a few.
PS. I will retire next month so I might just find a bit more time.
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 18:59:42 (UTC)
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I am, trying to locate 4 former copperbelt workers as I have information for them. They are I. Cronje now aged 73, S.N.Park now aged 68, Alan Ian Alastair Stewart now aged 53 and John Hardy Wellington Roulet now aged 68. They were all employed by RST before 1964. If anyone can tell me where they are or ask them to contact me I would be most grateful. Jeremy Hawkins on jjih2000@hotmail.com
Jeremy Hawkins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Seend, Wiltshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 18:27:49 (UTC)
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Bob,
Thanks for the birthday wishes. Say happy birthday to taryn for me. Off to the tower of London tomorrow to see the old bat`s jewels. Apparently, if they cashed them in they could build 20 full size hospitals with the dosh. Dream on hey?
Linda,
You are a star. that`s a great poem. How did you know I slipped a disc years ago? You must be psychic. I do hope we get to meet sometime. I feel sick that I missed the Banbury bash as I only live 45 miles from Banbury and would have been down like a shot.
Thanks also for the compliment as a drummer. It`s nice to be remembered for giving entertainment. Best years of my life. (apart from those with Angie, of course). Phew!!!!
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 17:30:09 (UTC)
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For anybody who would like to remember BH in the early 70's I think I have just managed to send Arthur 2 photographs of Holly Street, Kabwe. Lets hope its good this time as I didn't do too well with my first attempt of sending photographs.
The name I was trying to recall of the person in charge of Kabwe Mine Transport Section was Sean Hayden and I think his right hand man was called Gus Lindenburgh. Anybody remember them?
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 16:42:27 (UTC)
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Hi Folks!
Whilst we're on about viruses and the like - just thought I'd warn you about a scam that's going the rounds again.. re Visa and Mastercard.
Someone phones you and gives a name and claims to be from the Fraud Dept - giving badge numbers etc and sounding very authentic. They will tell you that they are checking an unusual purchase on your card etc etc and ask you to check the 3-digit security code on the back of your card.
The object of their exercise is to get this number from you so that they can use it. DO NOT GIVE ANY INFO TO THESE PEOPLE.
The REAL Visa people have reinforced that they will NEVER ask for any info that is on your card as they already know everything about it.
I have the wording they use if anyone wants to email me and I'll happily send it on.
Now for the real GNR stuff!!
Do any of you Aussie-based GNR folk know a Susan Buckmaster?? I believe she emigrated to Aussie in the mid/late 60's. Her dad was a teacher (ooops sorry Headmaster) at the Missionary Station on the Itimpi (Garneton) Road - out in the sticks. She was one of the 'well-off' folk who had a phone before most of us did - one of those where you had your own special ring - you know - 2 short and 1 long etc.... If you wanted - you could listen in to everyones' calls - NOT that WE did - of course...... After we left school in'64, I lost touch with her apart from the odd session at the Playing Fields .... she had a thing going with Gerald Whatley(?). Wonder what happened to him - one of Kitwe's heart throbs!!
Kathy Smith (née Seville) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
High Peak, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 16:08:00 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Jameson Ave ran 4 streets North and parrallel to Davey Avenue. Why don't you take an area at a time and assign numbers to the streets - then we all can put names to the numbers. That should speed up the process (talk about "painting (the town red) by numbers"!).
Peter,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Metcalfe Street run from the GNR East side of town to "Railton"? By the way, Peter Erasmus sends his regards and asked after your boetie.
Well - I'm off to shoot a round of Clay Targets.
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 11:50:47 (UTC)
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Duranta Street..
If you walked up from the railway station (4th ave/st?) it ended and then split in two. The left hand side was Duranta Street.
Heather sid find and took a photo of our old house last year. Alas the mango and avocado pear trees were no longer there nor the bougainvillia "roof" over the varandah.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 09:22:23 (UTC)
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Chris,
You jogged my memory about A, B & C Aves - they were fed from Kater Road (sp?) that branched to the left from the Mulungushi Road.
I, like Peter, didn't know that Boons was originally on the Broadway side of Holsworth Chemist (could it have been called 'Northern Druggists' then?) - that was when DH Patel's corner shop was "Meikles". I'm also dredging my memory from some 33 years ago. Somewhere, I have a roughly outlined map of BH that I should start writing the names on.
Peter,
Can't you send me a sketch of roughly where Duranta/4th Ave were?
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 08:45:08 (UTC)
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Hi all
re the viruses.I received two today from my server.......of course I didn't open the attachments.but I must say that they were very authentic looking.......One pays to be very careful these days
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 08:17:03 (UTC)
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VIRUSES
Don't like to be alarmist but we are going through a particularly dodgy period at the moment with some new and nasty viruses floating around although most appear to have been rounded up. .
I imagine some of you - like me - will have alternative mailboxes, so be warned, For once the dangerous messages are worded in official and convincing terms and include "Warning of temporary termination of e-mail" amongst others. They even bear the domain name of the host - such as the one I received from support@excite.com requesting me to acknowledge the instructions enclosed in the attachment. It even squeezed through the "Excite" safeguards! The message is most convincing. But having had one lamentable experience a couple of years ago I am perhaps overly cautious these days even though I am "protected". Sometimes new viruses can arrive and spread rapidly before being caught and dagnosed.
I was able to get a free "fix" for the Antinetsky virus before Norton trapped it. You can download it from
Bitdefender.com You might find it worth while double checking for presences with the free "Search and Destroy" analyser - again, a free download.
I have found that one or two of these analysers seem more efficient than either Norton or MacAffee in detecting hidden bugs embedded in your system, spying and sending back information.
Sorry to intrude again with non chit-chat!
Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 01:12:08 (UTC)
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Happy birthday for Sunday, Ross!
There once was a rebel named Ross
Whose talent on drums made him boss
'Til one night his stick broke
And caused him to choke
So drums and drumsticks got the toss
Now that he's turned fifty six
He dug out his drums and old sticks
He gave them a whack
Slipped a disc in his back
And that put an end to his tricks
Have a great birthday. You are still remembered as one of the most dynamite drummers of your time.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, March 06, 2004 at 00:18:09 (UTC)
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Boones bar in 1960 - 1966 was on a side street - DH Patel?- definiely no Broadway.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 23:17:01 (UTC)
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Charles / Arthur
its 40 years since I left BH and alcohol definitely destroys brain cells!! or was it lead in the water? anyway street names are a problem as nobody in BH ever needed directions .If, you turned right off the Lusaka road before the rail crossing this was Mine Main Road which went past the Swimming pool ( Superintendent was Mr Smethurst) the Mine Club (manager Gordon Latter) and the Vista cinema, then the Mine itself, the original mine houses were down here in A,B and C Avenues really big old houses with massive verandahs and old established gardens full of mango and guava trees. Prior to the Vista cinema being built films were shown in the Mine Club, also amateur dramatic shows were held here prior to the Venus Theatre being built on the Shell Road. When the theatre was built there was a competition to name it, this was won by Andrew Thom (son of Elsie Thom a teacher of some renown who was in fact Elsie Baker who opened the first School in Nkana in 1929).
Boons Bar was in Broadway when I arrived in BH in 1952 it was next door to Holdsworths Chemist facing the Big Tree, I remember the new Boons being built around the corner on the other side of Holdsworths probably about 52/53 you will appreciate that the old premises couldn't close till the other was operational.
Charles your memory is a whole lot better than mine , you are right the Raylton streets were numbered and not named like the Posh mine area, all the road names you mentioned ring a bell but apart from Davey Avenue I can't place where they were situated. Maybe some will come back when I have had a little less wine!
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 22:17:21 (UTC)
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Our street name in BH was Duranta street - at the end of 4th Av/St.
There is a horse called Boones in the UK. Won the other day at 12-1.
Never thought I'd be talking about Boones bar 45 years later.... My dad's favourite pub after work on Saturday morning.
I remember working Saturday mornings at Rhokana and when I transferred to AAC I only worked a five day week.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 19:44:47 (UTC)
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Nicky,
Who is Popeye?I worked at the Astra Cinema as an usher,school job,as there were no paper runs ha!ha!in the 60s.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 18:24:09 (UTC)
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My contribution to assist in building up the map of Kabwe.
The Kabwe Arts Society (KAS) was on Shell Road which ran to Kabwe town center.
The Kabwe Central Police station was half way between the KAS and town. I remember the place well as I was speeding in Kabwe and pulled over. I was then additionally charged for not having reflective strips on my landrover. After going to the Police station, I said I didn't have enough money to pay the 45Kwacha and was told to come back later to pay the fine. I went back to the mine (transport department, and a South African with a Toyota? name excludes me) did an excellent job of putting the matter right. With the best advise I went back to the the Police and asked why had I been stopped, especially now the front and back of the Landrover looked like a Christmas tree with reflective tape stuck everywhere.
I was given a caution and told never to break the law again.
Still a bit nervous of upsetting Arthur ever again (although I still don't understand what I did wrong in the first instance) but if I get this scanning thing right I will try to send a few photographs of Holly Street, Kabwe early 70's.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 17:47:16 (UTC)
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To Ross, Have a happy birthday. Taryn has her 21st party tomorrow night, about 75 coming - more than at my wedding. Shows who is better looking.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 15:51:56 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Broken Hill street names – let’s keep this on the board that readers may correct any error or oversight – or add their tu’pence. I can give you the Mine Camp. Starting from the Lusaka Road, the streets are alphabetic and are:
Abelia Street
Begonia Street
C – I’m not sure, but I think it was Cassia Street.
Daisy Street (or was it Dahlia Street?)
Erica Street
Foxglove Street
Godetia Street
Holly Street
Iris Street (there was a shortcut to the hospital at the end of this street)
Jasmine Street (with Jasmine Street Primary School across the interestion)
Kotchia Street (with Jasmine Street Primary School across the interestion)
Lobelia
Mimosa
Nirena Street
The Avenue that ran at right angles to these streets from the Lusaka Road was ”Loangwa Avenue”. This may have changed at a later stage to “Luangwa” Avenue. I prefer the original spelling, as it means “that which you desire”.
The road from Lusaka crossed the railway line, and became “Davey Avenue”. You already know the road that ran parrallel with it was called “Broadway” (with the “Big Tree’ in it).
PS Nice to see they renewed your fishing license.
Bh’ers,
Maybe some readers can confirm the location of the following roads/streets. Marshall Ave, Livingstone Ave, Stanley Ave, Jameson Ave, Stevens Ave, Brickfield Road, Selous Street, Coryndon Street, Shell Road. Then there’s the Railway Camp with 1st and 2nd Avenues, etc. Also there’s the Highridge area. If we all contribute (and correct easch other), we should be able to help Arthur complete the map.
By the way, does anyone recall the swimming teacher / lifesaver at the Mine Swimming Pool? Was his name “Smitthers’ or “Smithurst”? Last I recall, he was the Lifesaver at the beachfront swimming pools in Durban.
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 14:12:24 (UTC)
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Hey Popeye,
I see in your profile you were an usher at the Rhokana Cinema. You weren't one of those thugs who went around with a rubber hose full of lead, and hit us on the knees with it, for puting them up on the from seat,where you?
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 10:42:41 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur
re Mary Maxwells photos Irene & I can add a few more names.
The High School Photo
Back Row
unknown Ian Sword Whiteright Jazz Forsythe
Middle Row
? Warner unknown Frank Coleman ? Kruger ? Tomlinson Fuzzy Williams (Maths teacher extraordinaire!!!!)
Front Row
unknown (Speedy) Miller) unknown Mr Champion ? Smith unknown Paul Lobscher
Note
Mr Unger ( Baldo or Patch) retired at the end of 1955 and Mr Champion took over
Hope this stirs up more memories for the Nchanga / Chingola crowd.
Gordon & Irene Dixon
Gordon & Irene Dixon (née Wilson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 07:14:40 (UTC)
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Hello All,
Does anyone have any photos of Ndola from then or now that they could post. I would really like to see the place again.
Regards
Rob
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 06:32:42 (UTC)
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Lindsay Cummings, Doug Gifford, James Coogan, Garth Reed
Best wishes on your birthday
BOB ALLAN
You've forgotten - Arthur came from Nkana East and they were too posh to visit Rhodwins.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 06:26:43 (UTC)
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In regards to the car, I am not sure but the name Rick Aldred comes to mind, his wife Ann worked at the TV studios and later went to England where she became the Weather Girl. In the early 60's I had an Austin Healey 3000, white with a red hardtop, wish I had it today.
Steven de Lange [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 05:19:41 (UTC)
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Arthur
I can't believe you never made it to Rhodwin's either! Were you too busy doing your homework?
Thanks for the 'plug' for the Purler Party. I didn't want to call it "Python" party as I'm saving that for a real reunion when folk will come visit from all parts of the universe. This is a 'catch up' for those who really want to chat about the most important years of their lives, i.e. in The Great North. Sadly, they must all be knitting, as you say. By the way Purler is described as "an excellent thing" which this may turn out to be. I live in hope!
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 05:07:58 (UTC)
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Johnny,
If you want to get help with your computer try going to the site below. You can get all sorts of expert help and advice and it costs nothing. Just log on and ask your questions. Remember to give details of of your computer hardware and software and peripherals.
http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/forum.jsp?forum=1
Yours faithfully
Robert
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, March 05, 2004 at 01:56:03 (UTC)
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Arthur:
I am amazed that you never got to visit Rhodwins while living in Nkana/Kitwe.
Even through the privations of petrol rationing, we used to manage the odd braai etc, coming over from far-off Nchanga/Chingola. (Sharing cars I believe).
It was a real sanity boost in those days.
The Mine must have worked you too hard.
Incidentally, my first photo of Rhodwin was posted on 1st July 2002 - canoe in ramming mode.
Thanks for the other ones from the archives, the sunsets over the water were most appealing.
Bob A.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 23:55:42 (UTC)
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Boys and girls sorry if any of you have sent me any EMs we had two power cuts here last Sunday while I was operating my PC and they have destroyed everthing I canot recieve on my Email canot do any printing and my scanner is out of action all through the power surges and th worst part is I do not have a clue how to remedy any of it this is the first time I have been able to log on here since Sunday but if any one hs anything important to tell me try on here and I may be able to get back on again I am cross because I canot bring any of all these new pics up Regards to all Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 23:42:28 (UTC)
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Arthur
Nice fish. Is that smudge on its nose newsprint? I suspect the Scarborough fish shops after all!
The lovely pictures from Messrs. Duncan and Swart illustrate there were many of us livng in Africa who were: "Taal Challenged". Take the pic of the little girl, and the man cuddling the little animal. Obviously some one had thanked him in Afrikaans at some point. He thought they were telling him to: "buy a donkey!" And here you see the rather cute result.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 23:14:05 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt...Please contact me regards your recent posting, I do not have your e-address..Thanks June.
June Bohl (née Walker, formerly McCarthy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Los Angeles County, California, United States
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 22:59:05 (UTC)
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Arthur -
This photo and the one of her class were given to me by Betty de Paauw (Baxter), whom I encountered by pure accident while she was living in retirement in Canberra. I used to take her on outings until sadly she was diagnosed with senile dementia. Eventually her condition deteriorated to the point where she had to be placed in a special nursing home.
She was a bright and vibrant lady with a wonderful sense of humour and, until her mind suddenly went, had sharp memories of her time teaching Commerce at Chingola High School (although she often jokingly said some of her students in that school were among the "toughest" she had ever come across!). She had loved exploring the NR bush and contributed articles about places such as Feira to local magazines. She left teaching to marry a Dutch diplomat who already had 3 sons, but had no children of her own. She lived all over the world, remained an avid tennis player until she was nearly 80, and she was always ready for a match. Poignantly, even after she went into the nursing home, she kept her tennis pack and racquet by her bedside.
Daphne Coster was on the town council when my father, Bill Atkins, was mayor. I remember her wedding reception at Nchanga Golf Club when she married the DC, Commander Paul Thirsk. They later had two sons. She remained good friends with Betty, who stayed with her in the UK several times. Sadly, she may also have passed on as our last contact was in the late 80's.
Henry Kruger was the Afrikaans teacher and also a friend of Betty's for many years.
Peter Boyle was Irish, taught Latin. He shot himself, supposedly in a hunting accident. It came as a big shock to the school. I believe he may have been engaged to Janet Scott at the time. She was the glamour teacher of the school (certainly popular with the boys!), wore those stiff petticoats that were all the rage in the late 50's, and drove an E-type Jag which someone said had been given to her by her parents as a 21st birthday present!
I personally can only identify a few of these teachers by name, but their faces are familiar to me as most of them were still there when I started at the school in 1958.
I may not have the details exactly right, but someone else might be able to confirm.
Back row - unknown, William Whiteright [sp], unknown
Middle row - unknown, Tomlinson [?], unknown, Henry Kruger, unknown, Peter Boyle [?]
Front row - Janet Scott, unknown, Daphne Coster later Thirsk, Mr Unger (headmaster), unknown, Betty Baxter later de Paauw, unknown.
Apart from Betty Baxter, centre, I don't know who any of these people are.
It is a photographer's proof and I only deduced it to be Form 3B from a pencilled note on the back.
If someone would like the original photo, I would be happy to send it on by mail
Unknown lady artist at Nchanga/Chingola Art Show - prob mid 1950's. Presume she did the flower paintings.
Happy to send original photo on to anyone who has a claim on it.
Unknown gent artist at Art Show circa mid 1950's.
I presume he painted the picture of the man with boat and/or the two pictures either side of him as I know for certain that my father, Bill Atkins, painted the NR bush scene in the top left-hand corner.
Mary Maxwell
David Hoyle,
Heaven knows what actuated you to challenge Arthur regarding his fishing experience. Likewise - a four and a half pound Bream doesn't quite cut it with the great fisherman on this site; to name just a few with no order to merit - Arthur, Craig, Peter, Johnny, and Chris Swart. Believe me, these men take their sport as seriously as do the young fishermen, in the following snap landing their catch -
caught with 'dip-sticks' at the 12 mile drift.
Regards
CJ
Linda Dore & other fast buns & blokes.
Any of you Kitwe speed freaks recognise the car & knew the driver?
I took foto at Garneton late 1950's or early 1960's.
I owned a TR in my youth, hence the interest
Incidently Linda - John Walker (whom I seemed to remember you mentioning in one of yr GNR postings) of the Kitwe motorcycling racing fraternity, sadly passed away last January.
He retired in England about 12 -15 yrs ago after working as a 747 captain for BA for a number of years.
regards to GNR,s
Bill Hunt
Arturo mi caro amico!
It's been suggested we post pix to see if our characters match our postings. Here is a hurried little self-portrait.
Thanks for posting.
XX Tina
Hello Arthur:
No more Artie jokes, promise!
Herewith some more old 35 mm slides printed and scanned to-day, knowing the popularity of Rhodwin memories.
Here you will find shots of a braai, the pool, and more canoe scenes, even the embarassing one (to me) of my being unceremoniously tipped out by one Billy Parkes for ramming him earlier (see the archives 2002).
Can't see any sign of the alleged "foufie" slide by the anthills. Perhaps it came later.
These photos were taken in October 1966 (at least that's the date on the canoe slides (Kodak). The others plus/minus that date (there's a good Rhodie expression: +/-)
Cheers
Bob Allen
Charlie, David Hoyle,
You will see that I posted up your photo of the "fish". Sorry to disappoint both you Broken Hill boys but it's just another photo of a petrol pump disguised with cardboard and paper mashe made to look like a fish. Now Jill's tiger was impressive, Kitwe girls are renowned for trapping the big and ugly.
I went over to visit Johnny Green in Scarborough a few days ago, Yorkshire that is, not Perth, they've fished out all the cod from the North Sea and they were desperate for some fish and chips so I caught this off the pier for them.
Johnny can vouch for the authenticity of the photo, note the fish is not at arms length.
I'll give you that BH was good at producing something other than mangoes and a petrol pump, your "Charlies Angels", Beth and Jacqui are real cool babes, I agree. I followed Jacqui's directions to the Boons Bar, she wasn't too sure though, no doubt she is a convent girl and would not have frequented such places, when she was an innocent young girl.
Good to see your Capetown Caper went well Charlie, all those ex BH folks there too. I suppose you forgot that it's the Centenery Year for Broken Hill? Did you not get any arms twisted for some stuff for the GNR? Naah, too busy serving the petrol, I mean beer. Seeing that there's hardly that many streets in Broken Hill, when are you going to give me the names of them all and I can do a proper town map based on Bob Eglington's map of BH and surrounding area?
And CJ, my favourite fishing spot is still the GNR, there are some really big vundu's to be caught right here, chuckky.
Bob Allen,
Thanks for the pics of Rhodwins, there are a few more photos hidden in the archived message boards.
These appeared a few years ago now, donated by Dave Howell and Chris Swart, You can see the foofie slide in some of these shots. This Rhodwins place, I never got to go there.
Perth Purler?
Sounds like a knitting party, spose you lot have plenty of wool.
Ozzie Northerners !, let's see if you can put your sheep down and turn Marilyn's invitation to a little get together into a real Perth Python party.
Last time I was in Perth everyone kept telling me Northerners were crawling out of the woodwork and the place was known as little Rhodesia. There must be a few of you left there, what's happened to you all? It's OK, none of the GNR management team will be there.
I noticed also how laid back it was in Perth, almost as bad as Cape Town, horizontal..
Arthur
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Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 20:22:06 (UTC)
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Folks, I can verify Hartley's music collection - we sang till the wee wee hours one Saturday morning, when he and Sue were last out. Apologies to the two of you - think I was the main instigator in keeping you up, but every track was better than the previous one!! What memories!! Have just spent a similar evening in Cape Town with my flat mate from the 70's.
Am off to Harties tomorrow to hopefully sign up the restaurant we went to - shall keep you posted.
Did you ever get on the "boat" by the way?
Look forward to your next visit.
Luv,
Beth
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 18:36:33 (UTC)
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Hey Powell u skinny Ausie faker,
Have you learned to surf yet???????????
Hope you have sunburn.
Cheersnbeersworsnbiltong xxxxxxx
Scarscalp [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cumbria, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 15:00:12 (UTC)
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Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 06:33:45 (UTC)
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Arne Thorkildsen,
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Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 06:29:06 (UTC)
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Glen Drake, Tony Austin, Stephen Mounsey, Christoph Klempel
Best wishes on your birthday
Perth Purler Party
Sunday 14th March 2004
Stamford Arms Pub, Scarborough
from midday onwards
If you are will be attending, please contact Marilyn Noall on +61 8 9203 5113 or email mnoall AT fusionoil.com.au
Bookings for lunch can be made at a nearby restaurant
NICKY KONTOU
Will do next time I am in Siavonga - he is my next door neightbour but one.
ROBERT SUMMERS
Yes, 'They Served Africa With Wings' is an excellent book. I read it in two evenings and only managed to put it down on the first evening because I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer about about 1 am.
I am in touch regularly with Mitch Stirling (who is based in Malawi) as they are having to do a reprint, so it has been well received.
BETH LLOYD
Thank you for the offer of a lift to Pretoria - it's time I went shoe shopping again. For those who live in the Pretoria area, there is a wonderful shoe shop at the shopping centre near CSIR called Shoe Fayre. Last time I was there I bought five pairs of shoes (leather) for less than R 1,000.
JACQUI MILWARD
11th.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 05:37:06 (UTC)
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Pant, pant, huff, huff, huff, Ross and Everyone Interested I'm back with the requested answers:
Remembering that this is a Zambian site I respectfully acknowledge Zambia has big needs and must have our concern, support, attention. It already has our love.
However, we know Zim, in crisis, and for some carrying friends and family, is sinking into deeper crisis and now analysts suggest it's gearing up to start a whole new round of genocide to ensure the next election. So for those who have asked here are suggestions.
The following illustrates the validity of the concerns you voiced but also very real answers.
It addresses:
1. Zim Causes where your money will do good.
2. Other VITAL forms of support.
I've been told not to mention the writer's name because it could get them arrested, but I can personally vouch they get results. See their response below. A little of the info is not new to most.
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Tina -
Please feel free to paste any of this answer to the GNR.
Non-financial support:
NETGO ("Nowhere Else To Go") songbird@mweb.co.zw
It is a humanitarian group operating within Zimbabwe and a Zim news dissemination service to the world.
They operate, of necessity, "underground" networked with individuals, groups and organisations with the common goal of promoting change in Zimbabwe. Many contributions to the news service are deliberately anonymous at the contributors' request. There are close links to SW Radio Africa.
SW Radio Africa : In Zimbabwe, tune in to the short-wave broadcast at 6145 KHz in the 49m band. Outside the broadcast area, listen over the internet at www.swradioafrica.com. Broadcasts are between 6pm and 9pm Zimbabwe time daily.
VOA Studio 7 : In Zimbabwe, tune in to the short-wave broadcast at 13600 KHz and 17895 KHz, and at 909 AM. Outside the broadcast area, listen over the internet at www.voanews.com . Broadcasts are between 7pm and 8pm Zimbabwe time, Monday to Friday.
You can also subscribe to ZWNEWS at ironhorse@zimnews.net
WORLDWIDE SUPPORTERS: They don't want your money, they want your EYES, EARS AND VOICE! So people will SPEAK UP and voice their horror over the things happening here! They NEED NEW MEMBERS FOR their MAILING LIST of daily news by email. This provides a forum for people to share news about events, abuses etc. that they witness or hear of and develop response. Also your messages of hope and solidarity, ideas, concepts and the like are welcome. Even by forwarding to selected people in your address book, members are performing a service by expanding the number of sources that are being made aware of the situation. It is good practice to BCC your recipients for security purposes.
Locally NETGO provides places to stay for victims of abuse and the unfairly targeted, and help in providing sustenance for these people while they are in hiding (hence the acronym "NETGO" which stands for "Nowhere Else To GO"). If someone thinks they can help in this field, they contact NETGO. There are a lot of people doing this and more are always needed. There is risk. This aspect of NETGO is not for the faint-hearted.
Other networking has just evolved out of the basic structure, giving them many more strings to their bow.
Mugabe has done one good thing for all of us...he has united white and black together against him. Never in the history of this country have race relations between decent, thinking, people both black and white been so good!
CHARITIES:
To the people who say that they won't donate because it will go to the state...if they do it through the right organization it will go to the right people and not the state. After-all, NETGO and ZANE wouldn't exist if the present political situation had not developed in this way...
ZANE (Zimbabwe A National Emergency) www.zane.uk.com
Go to the site and read down or listen to the SW Radio Africa interview there. The old age homes are suffering in particular. But there are plenty of old people outside the homes that are subsisting on dog food or are committing suicide. They are committed to tracking these down, so that food, medicines and general help can be allotted.
The organization awaits instructions from trusted ZANE workers in Zimbabwe as to where they are distributed. Not one cent will ever go to the evil swines in "charge" of this country presently! People can donate confidently. Long may it continue!
WoZA wozazimbabwe@yahoo.com
It is not a charity (BUT they are finding that as they are associating with NETGO more and more, they are doing charitable work!) they are a women's activist group supported by both sexes with a leaning towards street action of the peaceful variety, promoting the concept of Love and saying no to violence and torture and rape. For this they regularly get thrown into prison, beaten and abused. Jenni Williams (head of WoZA) has shaved her head so that when she goes into the cells, there is less chance of lice infection! Contact WoZa for their South African account details and ways in which you can support them.
Rotary is a good one, but guess who is donating to it right now ...ZANE!
The aid given by WFP and USAid is huge, but the government is happy for this to happen, as they are selling the maize grown locally to the export market, coining it, and letting the aid agencies supply people who wouldn't need aid if the regime kept their filthy hands off the stuff produced locally in the first place. Grain Marketing Board is stockpiling 500,000 tonnes of maize to be used as bribes for the 2005 parliamentary election. This would feed 5 million people through the dry season if it was released.
I'll try to find to find some more charities that are currently reliable. Things change all the time and a lot of charity infrastructures are being rebuilt.
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Final input from Tina: The personal contact whose concerns I have successfully raised financial support for, is over sixty. They walk with WoZA, (both men and women go), support their charitable side, work with pensioners, orphans, the blind, etc. They wrote to me recently:
"You, yourself, have been writing to world governments etc and that is MOST important. We need to drown them in protests if we are going to win the game. People are dying daily from these terrible scourges of AIDS and CORRUPTION.
The BBC for Africa, (presently under siege) is a reputable program which appears to be heard by many around the continent. All kinds of emails come in, many of them lacking truth or understanding of the level to which we have sunk. If people with knowledge were to send them a variety of missives, apparently unconnected, maybe someone, somewhere would be affected????
The World needs to be reminded that we actually DO exist. We are marginalised to the point of extinction. 7 million people are in need of food due to corruption - they even starve to death in our streets. Those who survive this will be affected very seriously from malnutrition and the youth will grow up with defective brains. They have been brain washed to believe that corruption, murder and torture are the right things to do. We have lost a generation here and who can say what the future holds?"
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Anyway, as an information gatherer, that's the input I can provide you. I do hope this may help address Ross's questions and answer some questions for some others.
Don't want to further tie up the GNR so if anyone wants or needs to email me please do.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 05:31:18 (UTC)
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I apologize up front for my tongue-in-cheek remark about aviation's role in history.
It was not my intention to stir up a tirade from C. Hamilton on our "Road" about politicians in general, Iraq and the BBC.
I urge people to treat this site the way it was originally planned, a place for old friends to keep in touch and lots of "remember when we".
There are places for diatribes, but the Road is not it, in my humble opinion.
Robert Summers [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 02:36:32 (UTC)
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".. the theory that aviation was partly responsible for the passing of the "good old days", in that politicians from Westminster were able to hop over to Africa and stick their oars in where they were not needed
Yes? And what makes you thnk they're needed HERE? It would take me literally hours to process the list of corruption up and down this country. It seeps filthily down through every seam of Westminster and regional political life. Most tragic of all is that so few folk here seem to read enough - and then join up the dots to appreciate the dimension of it all.
Watching the "Panorama" expose on the Saddam H. of Africa brought back memories of the lamentable Peter Hain a couple of years back, waffling on through his left nostril about "discussions" and "resolving matters". How is he ever permitted to forget all that detritus?
The programme is also a reminder of the bitter loss to the world it will be if government gets its way with the BBC. And believe me - it's trying! Cronies are falling into place already. The man whisked (temporarily, they tell us) into the DG's Chair is a dear friend at Number 10 - which explains at least partly his elevation to Head of World Service with my old boss being commanded to hit the road. The gentleman did little to enhance the Service and won little renown for possessing an engaging personality, nor demonstrating originality of thought - except for in the most destructive ways.
Is it not strange that prior to Greg Dyke's departure as D/G that the woman who is Head of Policy at the BBC made some remarks which oddly contradicted those made by Dyke. Hardly the thing to do. But then the same lady is, after all, married to one of the senior "Advisers" at Number Ten. (John Birt is also ensconced at the same Westminster address. He was responsible for turning the entire BBC into an inter-departmental paper-shuffling organisation
- for example charging newsreaders £10 for each pronunciation check! - and dropping creative staff to make way for the shufflers. More millions were also frittered away each year on "Consultants" whose knowledge of broadcastng approximated that of Mickey Mouse for the most part knew as much about broadcasting as Mickey Mouse. How DO these people get away with it? Is NOBODY accountable these days - except the Beeb, for one minor lapse which, admittedly, it should have corrected rapidly.
Were the implications not so utterly tragic the words "Hutton Report" would provoke nothing but gales of derisive laughter. If ever there existed a musket which hit the bull's eye - of the wrong target.....!!!
Colin Hamilton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, March 04, 2004 at 01:41:16 (UTC)
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Virus Warning
Please be aware that there seems to be a new virus going around that purports to be from the administrator of a mail system. It may tell you that you have been sending out a lot of viruses or even spam. Of course, a file is attached and you are encouraged to open the file to remove the "problem" from your computer. This seems to be well-written in that the message will appear to come from a system with which you are familiar -- e.g., the Great North Road or perhaps your ISP.
As always, do not open attachments you are not expecting and about which you are not 100% certain. Don't be fooled by official-sounding language!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 21:43:00 (UTC)
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Ayub,
Tried the recipe for samoosa,s you gave me.All I can say is WOW,fantastic,still trying to fold them correctly.Thanks to You and the Mrs.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 18:52:36 (UTC)
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Hi Heather, If you'r in contact with Colin Earl please give him my regards and my Email address.
I have just been contacted by my long lost friend Stewart Burns who played in the band with me, thanks to Sheine Burnstien who saw it on GNR looking for. This GNR is great!!!
Thanks, Nicky.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 17:13:26 (UTC)
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The icy, snowy winter here in Ohio has given me time to read a terrific book I had on my shelf for some time, and I want to reccomend it to anyone interested in the history of aviation in Central Africa.
"They Served Africa With Wings," by W.G.M. Stirling and J.A. House, published by Book Mark, is a magnificent account of the early and recent events surrounding the opening of Africa by the airplane.
The book has hundreds of pictures, anecdotes about the pioneers with names and their planes, then tells the story of the breakup of CAA into the three airlines of the former Federation countries.
As I describe it, it may sound a "dry read", but that is far from the reality. I would recommend this book to anyone who ever made the trip on Vikings, Viscounts, Dakotas, Beavers, or VC10s, and you can relive those exciting days again every time you open the rather large book.
On a personal note I have heard the theory that aviation was partly responsible for the passing of the "good old days", in that politicians from Westminster were able to hop over to Africa and stick their oars in where they were not needed and not wanted. As I say, a theory, but then where would we be if we didn't progress a little each year. I know, Union=Castle would still be there for us!
Robert Summers [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dayton, Ohio, United States
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:32:21 (UTC)
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Happy birthday Wayne. Last time I remember your birthday was at Tom parker Primary in Broken Hill in 1959. Wasn't your younger brother Lee? Ross and I were both there with Headmaster Woods and other cretins.
Hi Ross glad you saw Hartley, is he still good looking.
Apparently some countries to the north of us are now punching holes in their coins to use as washers as it is cheaper than buying washers!
Some info on stocks here is : paper is stationary, coke has fizzled out, raisins have dried up, beans are climbing, mining has hit a new low, panties have come down and toilet rolls have found a new bottom.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 16:10:32 (UTC)
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Ooops - sorry for being so bold !
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 15:22:20 (UTC)
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Nicky Kontou
Colin Earl is still here - lives down in Siavonga
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 15:21:15 (UTC)
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Pappy,
I dind't play football with Butch Van H. or Colin Earl
I played in the younger team, they were both older then me. Colin was our singer with the Planets for a while.
Any idea what they are up to?
I remember one time sitting on the bench at the end of the path, of the mine club, opposite the Rhokana cinema.
I was there with a friend and we were singing Wooden Heart, or trying to, Butch was passing by and didn't think we were doing a very good job, so threatened to pan our faces in, if we didn't stop making a fool of Elvis.What he didn't relise is, we were serious.ha! ha!
He must have been a big Elvis fan. Oh well.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 14:30:37 (UTC)
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Nicky,
did you play football with the red devils,with Butch Van Heerden,and (Spider)Colin Earl?I think spider was a gaolie.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 11:01:32 (UTC)
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Peter Gilchrist
Best wishes on your birthday
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 at 08:28:39 (UTC)
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Pappy
Please do contact me and let me know how your trip to Zambia was.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 17:09:35 (UTC)
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Ditto Hartley, Had a fantastic evening and thanks for showing that marvellous video of Lusaka. Made my night. that did.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 16:30:19 (UTC)
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Linda
I was just catching up on the message board and was reading you posting about je t'aime and playing on my computer at the same time was 'je t'aime moi non plus'.
I have built up a collection of a few hundred 60's numbers over the years and have ripped all the CD's so that I can play music in the office.
Track just changed, is now playing 'Jesamine' by the Casuals. This takes me back to when we saw them at the 20th Century in Lusaka sometime in the distant past.
Ross
It was good to see you on Saturday after all those years.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 13:00:49 (UTC)
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Heather
Belated Happy 29th Birthday. Hope you've recovered from all that celebrating.
Marilyn
Marilyn Noall (née Shooter) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 09:26:59 (UTC)
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So is Heather.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain
Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 08:10:58 (UTC)
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LINDA
Re leap Year Rhyme
You left out two words, namely "days clear" (to rhyme with "leap year" at the end).
Thus:
"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November
All the rest have thirty-one, save February alone,
Which has twenty-eight days clear,
And twenty-nine in a leap year."
Anyway, we all hope Heather had a very happy 29th. They are so rare.
Robert Allan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, March 02, 2004 at 01:52:53 (UTC)
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Hi Heather
Thanks very much for the help.
Gwyneth
Gwyneth Thomas [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 18:56:37 (UTC)
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Wayne Milward
Hope you had the happiest of birthdays yet my dearest brother-in-law! Love you dearly. xx
Heather
Belated birthday wishes for yesterday! Sounds like you had a great time! Was it your 10th, 11th or 12th birthday? And a lot of hand clapping from me too for all the wonderful work you do on this site. xx
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 17:39:26 (UTC)
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Tina,
Good, if I get proof that Mugabe and his lot get nothing from the aid I would help, but after seeing Panorama last night I doubt anybody gets anything unless he knows about it first. Remember, as long as we feed his people he does`nt have to and I`ll bet he does`nt eat sudza.
Pappy,
We will get together when Bob gets over. Saw you on the video as well, Looking good man, I recognized you straight away.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 16:25:02 (UTC)
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Wayne M - Oooooooooops - Hope you had a great day!!
Heather - Happy birthday for yesterday - thanks for everything you've done for us on the site.
As a birthday present, I'll drive you to Pretoria next time you're down so give me lots of warning.
Luv,
Beth
Elspeth Lloyd (née Robertson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blairgowrie, Johannesburg, South Africa
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 14:34:21 (UTC)
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Wayne Milward, David Greenslade, Garth Larkan
Best wishes on your birthday
Thank you all very much for the birthday wishes. I did my best to fit in four years of celebrations, starting on Saturday with a birthday dinner, a champagne breakfast on Sunday morning and another dinner last night. Now I need to recover.
The breakfast on Sunday morning was with all the other people that we could track down who share the same birthday - a total of three of us !!
ANITA THOMAS
Give me a few days during which I should be able to track down Sharon's email address. She is in Cape Town.
JOE BEHRENS
It will take me too long to go through all the ages of our members, but I think you are our most senior citizen.
LINDA HAYES
I can't tell you whether Kitwe still has itinerant fruit and vegetable sellers calling at the houses.
However, in Lusaka we do have street vendors who sell fruit and vegetables at the traffic lights. Many people complain about them, but I support them and buy most of my fruit and vegetables from them - at least they are trying to make a living rather than turning to crime. Chatting to them also helps to pass the time whilst waiting for the traffic lights to change.
Fruit and vegetables are not the only things that they sell either - I buy most of my nail polish from them because they seem to be the only people who stock the colours that I persist in using. In fact, I even struggle to get the colours that I like in shops in Europe and South Africa.
I don't think the street vendor culture in Kitwe are well enough developed - last time I was on the Copperbelt, I broke my sunglasses and couldn't find a street vendor (or a shop) that sold sunglasses, so had to drive back with my broken ones balanced on my nose.
There are still a few dressmakers plying their trade on the pavement with their Singer sewing machines. But most now operate from the markets or from their houses, so one has to know where to go.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 09:50:58 (UTC)
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Look, this makes the point, ok. Then I swear I will shut up. I just received this from someone in Zim, not necessarilly a GNR member, who saw my last posting.
"We need as much outside support as we can get.The local press has been stifled and the new law passed by presidential decree will allow the law to lock up people for nealy a month before a court hearing."
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 05:08:11 (UTC)
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Leap Days
Sorry for the screw up vis-a-vis the leap day this year. Such are the vagaries of computers. :)
Membership Activations
These will be delayed a few days as I am away from home at the moment and (of course) having trouble getting my own computer connected. Sorry for that.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, March 01, 2004 at 03:01:30 (UTC)
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Heather
We hope you are having the best Birthday ever. Thankyou for everything you do for us.
love Chris & Ada
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 22:07:51 (UTC)
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Ross
That's a common misconception. Some charities are very savvy. You can find good advice at the Cathy Buckle site and I will tell you what I know. I'm going to answer that properly but only after speaking to the organizations in Zimbabwe that I work with. I can tell you however, that just before Christmas I oversaw a thousand pounds sterling being sent over there and it arrived safely the organization having intelligently maximized it in the Channel Islands for a couple of months first and turned over to the right people at a very respectable rate. They were then able to inform me of the fact.
People can also support marches, write or call their local radio stations and papers to keep issues in the forefront of the news, set up collections, just try to get the pot boiling. This is a country the world governments are largely trying to forget and that mustn't be allowed.
Apologies to the GNR for this brief elaboration since this site is not a soapbox however this is of interest to the readership.
Hey I'm on the video? I'll have to try and see a copy of that video when I'm over in England next.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 22:06:06 (UTC)
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Jilly Aplin and I were swopping some funny stories by email and I thought I would post this one again. I have posted it before, but here goes:
SAVED BY THE BELL.. sort of
I was working at Truck and Car Spares at the time and wore really short mini skirts as we all did in those days. This German guy came in to buy something and I happened to be at the front counter (I was actually the secretary, but always found reasons to be out front because a lot of guys came in there...). He was pretty forward, and started talking to me, and asked me for a date. I did not want to go and did not want to say no, so I gave him some really "round the houses" directions on how to get to my house on the Friday night, thinking for sure he would never find the place. This was earlier on in the week, and I had actually forgotten all about it by Friday.
My dad and I were sitting there in our living room when I spot headlights at the gate. Well, I was sitting there. My dad was doing a rather impressive snoring act in the chair after a couple of snorts of brandy. I remembered the guy, and I was not sure if he could see through the windows as we had not drawn the curtains completely, so I yelled at my dad to drop to the floor. Of course, his reaction was his usual, "What the bloody hell are you on about this time, Linda?"
I quickly turned the lights out, and my dad reluctantly dropped to his hands and knees and began crawling on the floor, along side me, both of us keeping down below the window, but both taking a quick peep as we see this figure get out of the car and slick his hair back with his comb and adjust his gonads... like they are likely to have wandered off somewhere, right? (grin)
The gate opens and sure enough it is this guy. So I quickly tell my dad not to let on that he is Mr. Dore, and that this guy has asked me out and I don't want to go. There the two of us are, cowering on the floor in the dark, and the door bell rings, several times... Obviously he had seen the lights on before.
My dad is really ticked off at me by this time, but he agrees to go and answer it. The guy enthusiastically asks if Linda Dore lives here. "No," says my dad. Perplexed look... "No?" "says the guy. "No," says my dad. "Are you Mr. Dore?" "No. " Perplexed look. "Is this where the Dore family lives?" "No." "No? Are you sure?" "Yes, I'm sure! Do you think I would not know who lives here with me!" "This is not the Dore house?" "I said NO!" "Well then perhaps you should have the name DORE removed from your gate, sir! Tell Linda not to worry, I will not be back!"
I was writhing on the floor trying not to laugh, and my dad slunk back to his chair, after giving me a swift kick on the way. Ah yes.. never a dull moment being a parent of the ever irrepressible Linda Dore. Ha! Ha!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 21:20:28 (UTC)
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Sorry almost forgot,happy birthday Heather,and may all your wishes come true,and have a fantastic day,do`nt do any thing that I would not,and that means you can do anything you want,ha!ha!
Mrs.Gillies look at N.T.L.they have a good deal on at the moment,so you will be able to gab with all us reprebates as much as you like.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 20:47:02 (UTC)
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Nicky,
I remember you,but I was only a kid,I live just down the road from you,I played rugby with Chris Charalambiedes,if I remember correctly he was quite a good drummer as well,he played hooker for pirates,and was quite good,unlike Butch,ha!ha!
Lets meet up for a drink sometime,I,m going to Zambia in the next week or two,so will contact you when I get back if you want.
Ross what are you up to these days,did you guys have a reunion that I did not know about,
Butch if I remember,you worked at Border Motors,and were the origional Meat Loaf,ha!ha!no offence,Linda I wonder if your memory is the same.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 20:36:25 (UTC)
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Brian,
Thanks to you and your wife for the most marvellous Saturday in many years. The years rolled back and my wife Angie got a taste of real Rhodesian hospitality. Best regards to Dave and Hartley Heaton, Carol Hillier, Kathy Exsteen, Pete, and Sue who were also present.
The video of Lusaka was poinyant to say the least. So many images of the past.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 20:04:59 (UTC)
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Tina,
Anyone with an ounce of common sense over here would not support any charity involved with helping Zimbabwe or Mugabe. We know where any money goes that reaches this "Richard Cranium" and it is`nt the people.
By the way, I know what you look like now, and Linda as I was visiting Brian Geyser on the weekend and saw you both on a video of the Banbury bash.
Rossley Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leicester, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 19:55:28 (UTC)
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Joe, You are wondering if you were the earliest to NR out of all the GNR members, Joe you were there to welcome David Livingstone.
Heather
Happy birthday and thanks for all the good work you do for GNR.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 19:51:56 (UTC)
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Thank you for remembering my 83rd. birhday on the 23rd.February and for you good wishes.
I wonder whether I am the oldest (in age ) member of GNR and also one of the earliest arrivals in N.Rh. in May 1939.
I do enjoy visiting your web sites, which bring back memories of the the happy life and times I spent in N.Rh.
Best wishes to you all.
Joe Behrens (formerly Alfred Joachim Behrens) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Whetstone, London, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 19:12:57 (UTC)
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Linda,
I found J'taime on http://www.romantichome.hpg.ig.com.br/jetaime.htm
My memory was the 600's version was by Franciose Hardy but this is the same song. I'll let you know if I find anything else better.
It is playing as I type and the wife is wondering what is going on !!
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 18:24:06 (UTC)
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Jill,
Theresa McKenzie,lives in Zambia,she works for the British High Commision in Lusaka,She is married to a bloke called Joe Saddler,I think he is farming over there.
Butch I remember going to Kariba with you in your Opel Cadet,you were Errol (bone domes)best mate.I played ruby with you at Pirates with the Thurtles and Terry Naude.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 18:11:51 (UTC)
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Delighted to see several names I recognize and realize they are well and still enjoying life. My days in Mufulira in the periods 66-68 and again in 73 are treasured memories of days(and nights) of truly full living with people who made the most of their time,talents and dreams.
Thanks again for all the rich relationships I enjoyed across a wide spectrum of ages.
At the time i was selfish and single and never did realize or appreciate the impact those days would have on the rest of my life.
Now. at 60 years old, I (like William Wordsworth) like to sit "in vacant and in pensive mood" and let the images of those of you I had the privilege to know, "flash upon that inward eye". Such thoughts are indeed the "bliss of solitude" and so "my heart with pleasure fills".
Gosh, while at Muf I would have laughed at anyone suggesting that in my later years such reminiscences would cross my mind.
It makes us realize that wherever we are and whatever we do remains with us forever.
The only thing that "bugs" me is that I see faces but cannot remember all the names ..... but then that actually gives me some mental exercise, as I strain to retrieve, from those distant banks inside my head, those elusive names to accompany the images that live on so clearly.
Anyone who remembers me from those far off days is welcome to chat and compare notes. Thanks again
Gordon Rossiter [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lakeland, Florida, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 14:03:22 (UTC)
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I'm sorry this is not pleasant. Just a simple message with a point. For those in England who campaign for relief for Zimbabwe, Panorama, BBC One, Sunday evening, 29 February 2004 is about what Mugabe is doing to keep his regime in power via Zimbabwe youth training camps.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 11:54:48 (UTC)
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Heather
Don't forget you have at least five birthday messages "last month". Computer programmes are rather fun. Due to ours the first day of the month of March is Feb 29th.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 11:35:02 (UTC)
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Thank you Heather for all that you have done and are doing for us.
Have a wonderful day.
Peter Bromwich [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Valderrobres, Teruel, Spain
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 10:48:35 (UTC)
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Heather
Have a great birthday and thanks a million for all your efforts for the GNR. You are one of the few people in this world who make things happen.
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 09:46:58 (UTC)
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Hi Heather...
Many happy returns!!!! I am REALLY glad we found you at ground zero to take such good care of all our requests!!!
GNR's...
Please make doubly sure your virus protection is up-to-date. A lot of nast virusses going around lately. My e-trust virus protection is getting updates daily these days.
Has anyone run across Doug Reed, Tony Frowd or Al Dubuisson who too lived in the centre of the universe and mango capital of the world - Broken Hill?
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 09:18:23 (UTC)
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Heather,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY - have a really great day, and thank you for all the times you've helped me. Just remember - you have to pack 4 birthdays into 1 today.
Fond regards
Charlie
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 09:04:23 (UTC)
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Linda,
The "Je t'aime ....moi non plus" that you remember was written by Serge Gainsbourg and the version that you remember was released in 1969 and was sung by Serge and Jane Birkin released by Fontana 885545. I picked this up on the Musee Paris site. I don't know whether you can listen to it, but there may be links. Sexy song - I first heard it at Siavonga in 1969 over a long weekend, somebody had just come out from the UK with a seven single and they played it late at night at the camp site. As if there wasn't already enough hormones going on! I always think of Siavonga when I hear that song!
Jilly
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 08:40:44 (UTC)
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Hi Heather,
Have a great celebration. Many Many Happy Returns.
I hope the year brings all that you wish for.
Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:13:42 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Heather !
Sincere thanks for all your hard work in the continuing success of the GNR.
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:11:00 (UTC)
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DEAR HEATHER
Happy Birthday to you!! About time it was your turn after all the birthday messages you regularly put on the GNR. I hope you have an excellent day and as you only have a birthday every four years I shall toast you four times this evening. Talk to you online soon I hope.
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 07:06:40 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY HEATHER!
Thanks for all your hard work on the GNR too. Hope you have a wonderful day today and don't work too hard.
Best wishes,
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 06:49:48 (UTC)
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Heather,
Happy birthday and thanks for all your contributions to the GNR.
Currently I am reading a library book titled "Focus Africa" by Marion Kaplan, a photo journalist about her years in Africa and published in 1982, much of which covered the same period of time I was there and which brought back many memories. Among her many photo topics, she photographed many of the heads of state (Kaunda, Smith, Amin, Kenyatta, etc) and describes her recollections of them and their countries. Also describes an interview she had with Mugabe in the 1960's. I emailed her commending her on the book and asked if she still visits Africa. She said that she does, though not with the intense absorption she had when writing the book.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 05:28:30 (UTC)
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Ali just found me Manenberg on WINMIX. There are a few versions of "Je T'aime ... moi non plus" on KAZAA light. I tend generally to stay out of those sites mostly because they are full of viruses.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 02:57:01 (UTC)
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Tina (or anyone else?)
Do you remember a very slow sexy song called "J'taime" I think it was. I was trying to explain it to Mike tonight, after chaperoning my son's school dance last night and listening to the kinds of songs they like to slow shuffle to these days. I'm trying to find it on the internet so I can play it, but not having much success. Can you help?
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 02:37:35 (UTC)
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Heather,
Best wishes on your birthday. Have a special day in every way.
Thanks for all your help in obtaining telephone numbers and contacts of old friends. Its been greatly appreciated.
Noreen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Canada
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 02:23:36 (UTC)
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Tina...Linda..
I think there may be a problem with the mechanics of the GNR and it dosen't recognise the 29th
tis why I happy birthday'ed Heather
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 02:02:43 (UTC)
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Does anyone remember Manenberg by Abdullah Ibrahim. That tune still sends me into an involuntary mfazi shuffle round the room or even a half dance at the computer. It's on as I type and I was grooving away and turned to see my husband standing behind me watching with a large grin on his face.
I have only found Manenberg Revisited on the CD "Water from an Ancient Well" does anyone know a CD with a really good version?
It's so nice to write on the 29th of Feb isn't it Linda?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 01:52:48 (UTC)
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Remember this rhyme as kids?
"Thirty days hath September, April, June and November. All the rest have thirty one, except for February, which has twenty eight." or 29 on a leap year!
I WANT my last day of February.... (grin)
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 01:32:32 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY HEATHER .
Hope your day is a very special day....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 01:31:33 (UTC)
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