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Bridget,
I am very pleased to read of your ex-Zimbabwe friends success in their farming at Mkushi and of the imminent visit of the President. I endorse your "All I can say is well done Micky and Stephen Marffy - welcome to Zambia!!"
We hear very little about President Mwanawasa; all I have heard on the positive side is: an emphasis on the agriculture economy and his efforts to eradicate high level corruption within Government. It seems the second issue is met mostly with silence or incredulity and an expectation that he will feather his own nest in due course. At least he seems to be willing to publicly applaud successful farming enterprises even when they are "white Farmers" from Zim.
On my last visit to Zambia, last year, I met a few ex-Zim farmers who were on the same road as your friends leasing farms just north of Kabwe. They were apparently experienced and competent farmers full of hope for a new beginning in Zambia and I heard there were quite a few, 100 and more, Zim farmers doing the same. They were generally welcome though there was the odd disquiet that some were overconfident (arrogant) or not cognisant of there status as vistors. A lower profile for some would be advised. Overall though it was viewed as a very positive development.
On Levy Mwanawasa I can add a very personal comment, albeit over 25 years out of date. I knew him as a client in the mid 70's when he was fresh out of Zambia law school. It is a fact that I was invited to and attended his wedding party in 1977: I have lost touch and my most recent efforts to contact him - before his election - were unsuccessful. All I can say is that his stance on corruption does not surprise me in the least. He was, and I expect still is, a man driven by the desire to do the right thing, to see justice done, to be fair and to see his country progress. Of course he does have an almost impossible challenge to face but I believe he would do his very best. What else can you ask of the man? I wish him good luck. By the way, like most on this board I love Zambia and despite my short residence I still feel at home whenever I am lucky enough to visit,
PS I hope to visit again later this year.
PPS. If it is appropiate your friends are welcome to mention my name and to offer my good wishes to Levy on his visit - my emphasis on APPROPRIATE. I have no wish to intrude. But I would like to be reminded to him if there was a chance. He represented me in a (succesful) Personal accident damages case following an injury I suffered at Broken Hill mine.
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 23:17:28 (UTC)
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I have in my possession a "Safe pass" given by the Lumpa Church in Chinsali to one of their deacons in l960, it explained that Lemshina Mulenga was an authorised member of the church, and should be given safe passage. My late father Peter (Leszyk) Rybicki was in the Zambian rifles, and a while ago I posted some extracts of his letters back from the "frontline", when he was on a tour of duty to put down the "Lumpa Uprising", on KK's direct orders. He took the bloodstained "safe pass" from under the dead body of its owner, (who might not have agreed with the description of KK as exactly a benign leader.......On a happier note, I was at Lusaka Convent for many years with Cheswa Kaunda, a round, cuddly sort of girl, and in the shortages of the seventies, Cheswa was a fantastic source of the best Swiss chocolate, and other unheard of treats, and invitations to birthday parties at State House were like gold dust. I can only remember being invited to one, and spent my time gawping at the chandeliers, and the gold bathroom fittings, (we had gekkos as bathroom accessories, and nasty, shiny hard brown OPW chimbuzi paper), State House's loos, I'm pleased to report, had proper, soft, pink chimbuzi roll!
Tina - you are a gem, and also a voice of reason and hope in the wilderness, and when one sees, first hand, physical marks of torture (several of the Zimbabweans that I know here were detained at Mugabes pleasure), the hypocrisy of those who support Mugabe, and those who say nothing at all is quite sickening.
Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 23:00:16 (UTC)
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I'm writing to let you know that sadly that DESMOND BURNS SENIOR passed away on Friday. He will be missed by all his family and friends. All our love goes to his wife Daphne, his sons Des & Kerry, and his daughter Pat and their families.
Glenda Freeland (née Fenwick) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dorking, United Kingdom
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 21:29:21 (UTC)
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Mwinzenge
Zambia had some extreme times under Kaunda in the mid 70's. I don't think Simon Kapwepwe would have agreed with you from house arrest that Kaunda was all that benign. Don't you think that the blessing Zambia has always carried is that the peoples have historically had a pretty very laid back and moderate approach compared to surrounding countries. When they get excitable it hasn't historically lasted long. I really don't know much about Botswana but the ambience there seems to have similarities to one who is looking at face value with almost non-existant background reading. I do agree that the official policy of minimizing tribalism, however unevenly applied, had some good influences.
Zimbabwe - is what happens when greedy concienceless leaders are allowed to rape a country and its people as they will. I do accuse the African governments that remain in support of the Mugabe regime of thereby abetting crimes against humanity. I do applaud the West African governments that have taken a stand against the regime and such support openly and said it is time African governments were accountable for the welfare of all their people and moved squarely into real democracy.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 21:20:33 (UTC)
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Craig , Glen should have been a teacher, as he loves correcting people. To tell you the truth I could not read your writing.(some of it ) Sorry to the folks who's name I spelt wrong. But what the heck EH !
Glen , Boetie I thought you knew of the get together. Any way you always asleep when I phone. ( )-: )
Chris Drake
Quesnel
Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 21:16:41 (UTC)
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Tembo:
Zambia has been very lucky and blessed with decent leadership. Kaunda and his early leadership should be given the credit. They set the positive tone for all of us future citizens in 1964 inspite all the obstacles, provocations, problems and temptations they faced. That Kaunda staid the course of maintaining a non-racial and non-tribal peaceful country, and did not succumb to greed, repression, brutal racism and tribalism are what separates great statesmen from pretenders of all types in the world; not just in Africa but in all societies even in Europe and the West going back to the 1500s.
What a load of codswallop. KK wrecked the economy, and was an out and out racist, summarily deporting whites, and denying Zambia born whites their right to citizenship. In other countries, KK's kind of leadership would have eventually caught up with him and he would have had to answer to the people of his own country for the country's demise. He ought to be put on trial for starving the nation.
You really do need to check out the facts before bashing your keyboard in this manner.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 20:13:16 (UTC)
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Thanks for your heart-warming and uplifting story about your friends. The story is more uplifting for me as I have just finished reading: Martin Meredith’s “Our Votes, Our Guns: Robert Mugabe and the Tragedy of Zimbabwe,” 2003. The story of Mugabe and Zimbabwe is a human tragedy for all who live in that country. Independent of this book, I have always known that bad things have continued to happen there since the 1980s. Although I approach all books with healthy skepticism, the human rights abuses, politically motivated killings, corruption, and repression in Zimbabwe that I have been aware of and those that I have just read about in the book are wrong. Although settlers may have grabbed land from indigenous Africans in European wars of greed and pacification in the1890s, I am not sure what Mugabe has done over the last 10 years and continues to do is going to create a multi-racial country where every Zimbabwean will feel safe including his dominant majority Shona and Zanu-PF. Evil always has a tendency to come back and haunt you who ever you are. Fighting evil with evil has never been a lasting solution. Brutal racism and tribalism should never be celebrated as good policies for uplifting the human soul or creating lasting peace in any society no matter who practices it and the justification for the racism or tribalism. The only poisonous fruits these twin evil practices bear are lasting fear, suspicion, hatred and often genocide. Just look at the Hutus and the Tutsis. Did apartheid last but only about 50 years? But now look at the terrible legacies these evils have brought on humans?
Zambia has been very lucky and blessed with decent leadership. Kaunda and his early leadership should be given the credit. They set the positive tone for all of us future citizens in 1964 inspite all the obstacles, provocations, problems and temptations they faced. That Kaunda staid the course of maintaining a non-racial and non-tribal peaceful country, and did not succumb to greed, repression, brutal racism and tribalism are what separates great statesmen from pretenders of all types in the world; not just in Africa but in all societies even in Europe and the West going back to the 1500s.
Many years ago, after I had been away from Zambia for too long, I landed at Lusaka international airport. I was so happy that after I took my first step off the plane, I actually knelt down and kissed the ground to the mixed amazement and applause of the Zambians. So if we enjoy the country, lets cherish and protect it. Shhhh!! Don’t tell too may people about it though.
Mwizenge Tembo [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Virginia, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 19:31:52 (UTC)
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Glen
Hi there, Thanks for your kind words re my photography and I'm so glad that you have a print of 'Nurse Janet.' That was one of eight prints I exhibited in the 1962 NR Salon of Photography. I must see if I can locate the prints and possibly Arthur might oblige! Must also get Janet's permission to air it on the GNR. The 1964 vintage Hasselblad kit that I bought new for 250 pounds in Zambia is still working but I had the three lenses and camera body overhauled a year back and it cost twice the original price of the whole set! I plan to do a lot of still photography starting tomorrow! Pity our paths didn't cross on your last trip to SA - when is your next visit??? Go well my friend.
Arthur
In amongst the Rhokana Reviews you have so carefully scanned is an article I wrote which featured many photographs of the carefree University of Cape Town students who hailed from Nkana/Kitwe. One shows a slim Glen Drake smoking a pipe. Please do me a favour and put it on the board - I'm sure Glen hasn't seen it for a while! That should be another 'Aaargh'
moment for you Glen.
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 19:30:06 (UTC)
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Craig - my Boet would think there's something wrong with me if I didn't have a dig at him. Don't worry though, you know him, he won't hesitate to put me in my place the at the very first opportunity that presents itself. He might be 3 years older than me but ask him and he'll tell you; I win all my fights by at least a hundred yards!
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 18:41:16 (UTC)
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Glen,
Don't be too hard on Chris about his spelling. A couple of those errors I'm sure can be attributed to my handwriting, as I jotted down the names in his notebook.
Debbie,
Sorry to hear that you haven't found your camera yet. Hope it turns up.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 17:49:13 (UTC)
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Craig and all at the Vancouver Valeta, Verve...whatever!
It was great to finally meet everyone. I had a fabulous time and I think we were all very entertained by the "colourful" Mr. Dielissen....a wild and crazy, fun guy! We didn't get too wet on the way back to the hotel, as Kelvin and I stopped for coffee and dessert at Earl's! then we proceeded to take a "Black Top" cab back to the hotel.....sorry to say that I am STILL searching for my camera! Haven't lost all hope yet, but nearly......
Debbie Stewart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 17:01:46 (UTC)
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Bob,
The drivel you are receiving is called "unsolicited commercial e-mail", UCE for short and more commonly known as "spam". The ones you are receiving are for a drug called Cialis (which word they have disguised to attempt to avoid detection by spam filters by spelling it "Ci@lis"), which is a drug in the same class as Viagra.
If you haven't received spam before, welcome to it. Get used to it, as your e-mail address will now be passed around from spammer to spammer and you will get more and more until you're lucky if one in a hundred messages you download are actually personal messages for you that you want to read. Eventually, like many people, you'll have no alternative but to change your e-mail address and start all over again.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 16:40:02 (UTC)
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Brother Dear - if you'd given me sufficient notice that you were driving all the way down to Van to attend the FFF (Frog 'n Firkin Festivities) I would have made arrangement to fly up. Hey, I could have brought you a new Lazyboy or something that you'll put to good use after June 26th. !
Glad you all had a good time and that you didn't have too much to drink and that you managed to get the names list right. NOT!
Tsk, tsk, tsk . . . . . early "old timers" methinks.
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 16:37:10 (UTC)
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Does anyone remember a fella by the name of Colin Cox? I've been trying to locate him for the longest but am getting nowhere He lived on a farm outside of Lusaka; had several brothers; was well known by people; mother worked for Farmer's coop. Colin was a mechanic and handled snakes at the Agricultural Show in Lusaka. I'm sure someone out there must know of his location today. Please let me know if you do. I'd really appreciate it so much.
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 15:22:25 (UTC)
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Hi all,
I have just returned from a very enjoyable weekend in Oxfordshire where we used to live and had dinner with an old friend who runs a stud farm there. He's an ex-Rhodesian and I thought I would share with you his family's uplifting story.
Denes father went to Rhodesia over 60 years ago from Hungary and married an English girl. They bought some land north of Salisbury and started farming, working long and hard - had several ... children and turned the seemingly barren land into a very succesful tobacco farm. A compulsory purchase order was placed on it in the 80's by the Zimbanwean president but they continued to farm there, (the sons taking on the day to day farming as their parents were no of retirement age), for many years. Denes decided to leave in the mid 80's and come back to the UK with his English wife as they wanted to start a family and she was more comfortable doing that in her home country. He arrived in the UK in his mid 30's and completely retrained from tobacco farmer to horse stud manager, and now manages a very sucessful stud in Oxfordshire. Two of his other brothers also came to the UK and have settled as an accountant and dentist.
However another two brothers remained in Zim with his parents on the family farm and eventually 2 years ago the land and house was taken from them and they were forced to leave. The very elderly parents went back to Hungary and the two brothers ventured up north into Zambia. They bought, (or rather leased) a piece of land in Mkushi which was virtually just 7ft high elephant grass and began the unimaginable task of clearing it, building houses and barns on it and then farming it! This work was similar to that of their parents 60 years previously in Rhodesia!
Now two years later they have had the highest - or one of the highest tobacco yeilds of the country! The President of Zambia is going to visit as he wants to see for himself the work they have done and use them as an example to other farmers!
Fantastic!!! How easy it would have been for them to give up two years ago - come to the UK and hope that they could find something. Instead they have conquered a new frontier and are helping to build Zambia's economy!! My friend Denes and his family are going out to Zambia for three weeks at the end of July. He has never been before and is so excited he's just like a little kid. He is so proud of his little brothers and cannot wait to see their acheivement.
All I can say is well done Micky and Stephen Marffy - welcome to Zambia!!
Bridget
Bridget Billany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 15:22:12 (UTC)
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Thank you Fifi, Stephen and Jack..........much apreciated AND they all work too........peace at last !!!
Helen ...... .....on one of the wildlife sites I visit .......there on the message board was congratulations to one of the members for running and finishing the Ottawa marathon also....her name is Chili........so to both Noreen and Chili well done.!!!..........such a small world especially when there were 23000 people running
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 14:26:35 (UTC)
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The GNR has many computer fundi's. Is there any explanation for the mindless drivel my junk mail has been receiving for the last few weeks. It is short nonsensical stories of gibberish including often the word Ci@lis. I delete without reading but what is the purpose of sending this stuff out? Does this rubbish surface world wide? At least the Nigerians offer me $millions.
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 14:05:33 (UTC)
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Ali,
The MSN Pop Up Guard is working very well for me. Down load the MSN Toolbar from their website and the Pop Up Guard is one of the features on "Toolbar Options" on the Toolbar.
Steve Haslam
Stephen Haslam [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Napanee, Ontario, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 12:38:35 (UTC)
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Hi Craig and all the Ferkin Folk....
Sorry - I did mean to wish you well on your get-together - got distracted (as usual) but in a very nice way!
Glad you had fun! Looking forward to the photos...
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 08:47:40 (UTC)
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Uh... Chris,
Thanks for posting the list, but there was no Carol Hartnett there. To the best of my knowledge my mother was at work on Saturday evening! I was the only Hartnett there. :)
Good to meet you and glad you got back to Quesnel safe and sound.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 01:51:50 (UTC)
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The Frog and Firken get to= gether saw the following members have a few beer's and a real good chat.
Pieter Oielissen,Geof and Norma Gogle,Craige and Carol Harnett,Debbie and Kevin Stretch,Glenys Chaplin,Carol Storie.Count me here thats makes 11 and one from South of the boarder and wanted to be un named .???.
It was great meeting up with all of you and sharing all of the past. We even knew some of the same people back them.
Sorry I am late with the list as I had a 8 hour drive home and back to FRED here.
Chris Drake
Quesnel.
Christopher Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 01:38:26 (UTC)
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Fantastic Noreen. Wonder if we have any other ex Lusaka Convent girls doing marathons? Pat and Pam Christie (as they were) are both pretty athletic. Tell us all about your marathon when you can.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, May 31, 2004 at 01:21:54 (UTC)
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Way to go, Noreen! You did well at the Ottawa Marathon this morning! I'm proud to be related to you, my dear sister.
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:58:46 (UTC)
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David - I wish you well in your retirement but something tells me you'll be doing as just as much as you ever were - hopefully that will include your photography, an art at which you have excelled. One of most precious photographs I own - you know, one of those that one looks at wistfully and says to oneself,
"If only I knew then what I know now."
- is of Janet T., my first heart-throb. She had left school and was in second year at Groote Schuur. The Photograph shows her standing in her nurse uniform, nurse's cape, intricately folded little white cloth cap, et al, on the steps of the UCT Hall. It is a definitive black and white picture and the moment in time you captured seems to sum up so much of my youth.
So from the bottom of my heart, I thank you.
So my friend, please continue put those Hasselblads to good use and leave behind more "A-a-a-a-g-h man, those were somer lekker days!"
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 15:00:18 (UTC)
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Retirement
Hi folk,
Just a short line to let you know that I finally made it to retirement age (65) and from the 1st of June will be a gentleman of leisure for a short while until I set up as a consulting engineer in order to keep the grey matter more or less intact! Thanks to those who phoned and e-mailed me yesterday. My listed e-mail address is in the process of being updated so please don't use my @nra address after tomorrow - in any case I have been experiencing major problems with the disappearance of incoming mail on the firm's computer following the recent spate of viruses. The firm's IT guru seems to have perfected the elimination of legitimate incoming mail but seems unable to stem the tide of spam. If I haven't replied to any of your messages it means that they vanished so please use my home address.
It seems like only yesterday that I signed on at Rhokana as a graduate apprentice but that is 44 years ago. The time has flown. With a bit of luck I will be given some projects to handle as a consultant but first I need a bit of a rest. It will be great not having to set the alarm clock for 4 am in order to be in time for 6 am flights. This step into the unknown is a great challenge but I love challenges.
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 13:25:03 (UTC)
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Ali,
POP UP Killer ! You should not need a dedicated killer as you can block them in Internet Explorer
In internet explorer click on tools,then internet options,then on security,then on sites and put in the home address of your most annoying popup sites
eg. www.????????.com and then press add.
That should block them from each site that you enter.
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 12:12:02 (UTC)
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Glen, you are so perceptive, the only points you left out (thinking of my ex) were that the bear should have been wearing designer shades, sported a (small) gold medallion, a (large) diamond pinky ring, and had an uncle who was an arms dealer in Lagos, apart from that, spot on! Oh, and what do you get when you cross a Polack with a bear, sorry, a Lebanese? The answer, the most beautiful l4 year old daughter who is an absolute gem, blessed with long, dark (curly, oh my God, watch your car keys) hair, a beautiful face, who is a grade A student, recently crowned under l5's canoeing champion of Connaught, and loves surfing, fishing and horseriding, and isnt too interested in boys yet! Thank you for bearing with me, and actually, the bear and the rabbit joke made me laugh out loud this morning in sunny old Ireland, Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 11:24:16 (UTC)
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Ian Singer
I oftened travelled with my uncle from Mufulira to Lake Mweru to buy fish for sale in African Mine Township.
He owned a Commer flatbed truck that we would load with
sawdust from the mine carpentershop & stack blocks of ice purchased from the mine iceplant (tickey a block!) underneath the sawdust.
A tarpaulin was laid over the sawdust for me to sit & sleep on.
My main function was to keep a lookout for & shoot enough fresh meat for the pot.
Some of the meat was also used as payment to roadside villagers for their assistance during the long journey.
I recall that we would usually arrive at quite a wide river pontoon crossing in the dark early hours of the morning.
This cable pulled pontoon required manaul labour to
operate & on arrival at the riverbank my uncle would holler
into the darkness. Very soon most of the nearby village population would emerge from the dark shlateen to drag the laden pontoon across black river.
The name of the river escapes me - I'm sure you will remember Ian!
Our route From Mufulira was across Chembe ferry, through Kawambwa to the lakeshore.
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 10:31:08 (UTC)
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The Vancouver Valeta, a.k.a. the Vancouver Verve
Have just returned from an excellent evening with more than a dozen people at the Vancouver Valeta. Chris Drake has the full list of names on paper (with the exception of the nice lady from Seattle who likes her anonymity!) and I hope he will post it when he gets back to Quesnel. Unfortunately there were no digital cameras there, so we are going to have to hope that one day the film pictures are scanned and make their way onto the site, but that won't happen for a while because they were taken by Glynnis (hope I spelled that correctly) who is here on holiday from South Africa.
Heather, I finally met Ron Sayer, but he disappeared before I had much of a chance to talk to him. Ron, I hope to see you again sometime. Peter, it was good to meet you finally and learn from your many years of wisdom. Debbie, it was good to meet you and Kelvin too; hope you managed to find your camera and didn't get too wet on the way back to your hotel. Geoff and Norma -- it was good to see you again. Hope to make it down to Blaine in July, if I'm not on the other side of the Pacific by then. Chris -- glad you could make it down all the way from Quesnel and were able to bring your friends too. Carol -- I didn't catch your last name unfortunately, and I also didn't see the papers that you were passing around. Were they related to NR/Zambia?
Having said that Chris would post the list, I think I just did. However, it's quite possible I missed someone or spelled their name wrong, so I'm sure Chris will be happy to correct me. :)
Thanks to all those who turned out. I enjoyed meeting all of you.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 07:48:04 (UTC)
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does anyone know of a good popup killer........free if possible..I am going mad with them
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 07:21:09 (UTC)
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Hi all
I would like to share these two quotations I found with you..............
"In their innocence and wisdom, in their connection to the earth and its most ancient rhythms, animals show us a way back to a home they have never left."
'if you silence your conscience for long enough, it stops speaking to you."
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 03:57:25 (UTC)
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Megs - I don't have any Polack jokes but I do have one . . . . . . . . . . . .
Remember when you were delivering that baby of yours, well, . . . . . read on . . . . . . . . . .
Seems that there was an rabbit in a jungle and he bumped into bear and knocked him down.
"I'm sorry," said the rabbit, "please forgive me. Seems like this happens to me all the time. I'm blind you see."
"No need to apologize," said the bear, "I'm also blind and it happens to me all the time as well."
"Oh well," said the rabbit, "then you know exactly how it feels to be blind. I've been blind all my life and the worse thing about being blind is that I don't even know what kind of animal I am."
"What a coincidence," said the bear, "I have exactly the same problem, I don't know what kind of animal I am either! I tell you what", he continued, "I'll feel you and tell you what kind of animal you are if you agree to do the same for me, O.K.?"
"What a great idea," replied the rabbit, " go for it."
The bear reached forward and said, "Well, you've this small, wet kinda round nose; soft fur all over your head; two big long funny protruding top teeth; big floppy ears; short stupid little furry front arms; soft fur all over your body; big powerful hind legs and a soft round fluffy tail. You're a . . . . . . . you’re a . . . . . . . . YOU'RE A BUNNY RABBIT!"
"I'm a bunny rabbit! GREAT!," said the excited rabbit, "bunny rabbits are cute. Every likes bunny rabbits - I'm so glad that I'm a bunny rabbit!"
"O.K., O.K., c'mon its your turn now - you have to figure out what I am." said the bear impatiently.
"Well, let's see . . . " said the rabbit as he reached forward, "h-m-m-m-m-m . . . . you've got thick coarse hair on your head; hair growing out of your ears; hair on your face; big nose - not so much hair, wait a bit - hair growing out of your nostrils; strong, powerful hairy shoulders and short stocky hairy arms, and o-o-o-oh, yucky long fingernails; lotsa hair on your chest; lotsa, lotsa hair on your back; short stocky powerful hairy legs; you're a . . . . . you're a . . . . . . YOU'RE A LEBANESE!"
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 02:21:02 (UTC)
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The real reason that Scotsmen wear Kilts, is so that the sheep don't hear the zippers.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 00:33:48 (UTC)
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AYUB, the moral of the story is obviously this, the more you know about s**t, the curlier your hair must be, and if you have curly hair, you are obviously a car-thief, so we have to conclude that Glen Drake stole the Hearse! What he wanted a dead body for is something we'd rather not think about, ok Glen, I,m waiting for the Polack jibes!
Megs (with regretably straight hair)
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:50:46 (UTC)
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Glen,
Scotsmen wear kilts so that we can take that little bit longer with our pints,and we do not have dance about at the trough or tree to get our zips down.
Buy the way how are the critters in California are they still safe on the streets or is that just a roumer.
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:07:07 (UTC)
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Dear Ali six people shared 22 million smackers tonight but I am afraid I was not one of them so your finger excercises will have to wait a while sorry love Johnny.x
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 20:51:00 (UTC)
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Glen,
It will probably take you years to figure that moral out! Moral is "never judge a person's intellect by the colour of his skin or the curls in his locks..to do that could drop you in big S..t! " .You seem to have a habit of twisting things.
Last week in Oldham, near Manchester, someone stole a Hearse with a body in it! It was found abandoned 30 miles away. Probably better to have the milk nicked na? ..now what would this idiot have done with a Hearse?? .
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 20:20:10 (UTC)
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Marge and Steve de Lange
Happy 40th Wedding Anniversary to you both. I will be thinking of you tomorrow and hope you enjoy your 'Special' day.
Maybe next year I'll get over to see you and then we can celebrate.
Your old friend
Babs
Barbara Hey (née Brock) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:43:25 (UTC)
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Ayub - you clever devil you!
You end your story about what you witnessed in Hyde Park all those years ago with the sentence . . . . . . . .
"Now theres a moral in that . . . "
You've had me sitting here for ages trying to figure out what the moral is. Since you always rise to the bait, is it . . . . . .
"The more curls you have in your hair, the more you know about shit and the less you know about geography." ?
Now before I get massacred let me tell you (even at my age) I have very curly hair so I TOTALLY REJECT THAT MORAL.
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:13:16 (UTC)
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Ian Singer - I need your help since I see you are living in Scotland.
Is there any truth in the Australian rumor that Scots men wear kilts 'cause the sheep can hear a zip opening from a mile away?
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:57:32 (UTC)
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David
Yes! You're right! Interesting eh? There are references to bees nests all over the internet - the references are, I mean.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:42:43 (UTC)
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Rob
Very interesting link. (It's about roundabout play pumps in S.A.)
Tapping the energy of children at play more than 200 "play pumps" have been installed near village primary schools throughout South Africa. As the kids play their roundabout is working a pump generating upward of 1,400 liters of water an hour. There are plans to build over 300 more.
It's the brainchild of "Roundabout Outdoor" (a South African company?) Anyway they got the Government and donation organizations involved.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:34:18 (UTC)
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Dear Artist Ali
You must stop dipping your fingers in the Marula cream when typing.
I also read that article about the Hippo’s red sweat containing antibiotic and sunscreen. When I was building the Mfuwe lodge in Luangwa Park I used to see the hippos laying in the shallow lagoons all day. I used to feel sorry for them because I thought that red colour was sunburn. Now they want to collect the Hippo sweat in large quantities. Not a job that I would like to volunteer for!
Ayub
Here in RSA the government departments are quite capable of running up their telephone bills without any help. Whenever one visits a government department here you will find the civil servant ever engaged in obviously personal conversations, while their customers are kept waiting. I usually lean over the counter and press the button to cut the phone off (in my usual diplomatic way). Another good way to get attention quickly is to use a referee’s whistle, tootling vigorously. Sometimes it backfires and I get evicted instead of being served!
In RSA the skibengus actual get into the telephone manholes and physically cut into the lines. I think they attach something like a base station there so that the mukulu skibengu (big boss crook) can sell calls from his cell phone, which connects wirelessly to the base unit. The manhole guy will sit there for several hours and then remove his equipment and duck to the next manhole mostly before Telkom and the cops arrive. We have a TV (telly in UK English) program called ‘Carte Blanche’ that showed the cops catching some of them red-handed. Our skibengus are very clever. They can even steal the milk out from your tea!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:08:47 (UTC)
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Sunday, May 30, 2004 is the Ottawa Marathon and I wish Noreen D'Cruz the best of luck! I'm so very proud of you, Noreen. Way to go #3690!!
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:38:53 (UTC)
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Tina.
Like yourself, my initial thought was that bees live in hives but on reflection I checked the dictionary and the definition of hives is "a structure for housing a colony of bees. In the wild unless the locals have constructed a hive, I would say that nest is correct as in wasps nest, hornets nest, ants nest, enough said.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 15:29:22 (UTC)
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When I win the estimated uk lottery tonight now £25.000000 and I arrive on your door step tommorow I will let your fingers do some excercises on me to solve all your problems Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 14:26:15 (UTC)
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Johnny.....
not my spelling , tis my fingers, they sometimes trip over themselves
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 09:28:57 (UTC)
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My dear Alix, Artist extrodinary, regarding titles I note it would never be Teacher Of English.
I musch rather have the title "Artist"........
Your would be lover Johnny.x
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 09:16:37 (UTC)
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Hi to All especially Dave, somewhere in Holland,
We seem to have missed the anniversary of David Livingstones demise 1st May.
I am in the throughs of reading a precis of his, DL's , life and trials in Southern & Central Afica. What a MAN!!
There seems to be a lot of snide remarks on the board at present which I find very upsetting when most have very fond memory's of central africa, Zambia, in particular. I must confess that once I notice this mode I tend to skip the message.
To those who keep this site working a hearty thank you
Gordon & Irene Dixon (née Wilson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 09:04:01 (UTC)
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Tina
I loved your posting...and whilst reading this morning's paper I found a little article." Sick of Sunburn - no sweat.
Ever seen a sunburnt hippo?
Japanese researchers have identified the ingredients of hippo "sweat" that could be used to develop sunscreens and antibiotics.
The research team at Kyoto Pharmaceutical University fount the oily secreation over the hippo's hide was the red pigment hipposudoric acid and an orange one, norhippo-sudoric acid.
They believe the two substances act as sunblocks, with the red particularly effective as an antibiotic."
Glenn
Hey it was many many years ago I was in the banking sector...........didn't know that branded me for life (giggles)........I musch rather have the title "Artist"........
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 06:25:53 (UTC)
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Um, seen any nesting bees sitting broodily on their eggs recently? For "nests" in message below please read "hives".
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 01:02:34 (UTC)
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Some animal facts....
Honeyguides
We know they will lead Bushmen to honey. Did you know honeyguides and honey badgers have the same relationship? A honeyguide alerts the honey badger by calling, swooping and displaying. The alerted animal then follows the bird growling answers to its calls until the nest is reached.
At the nest the honey badger squirts out a scent that stuns or kills the bees and digs out the honey. When he leaves, the bird eats the remaining dead bees, grubs and pieces of honeycomb.
Genets
These are more closely related to mongooses and raccoons than cats but will nonetheless arch their backs and groom themselves like a cat, purr, hiss and meow. But they make an uncatlike "churring" sound when upset.
Hippos
Have you ever heard that "hippos sweat blood"? Having no sweat glands they have unique glands that produce a viscous red fluid, but not blood. The hippo relies on water or mud to keep it cool, and the red fluid may help, but it is often produced in adrenalin-filled situations as well.
Lots more - at this neat site: http://www.awf.org/
Look at the options above the picture and click on wildlives.
Ayub: I thought your first post to Glenn on "isms" put it really well.
Oh and anyone who wants to post - this is a pretty welcoming site to post on for anyone without a chip on their shoulder. There are great pictures to see and stories to hear and share and often no dung in sight.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 23:54:11 (UTC)
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A question of race
After being in labour with my first child for more than 36 hours, I was pleased to see no less than 3 midwives and a very pleasant Sudanese doctor converging at my bedside, (I thought that they might have at last believed me that I was ready to die), anxiously waiting in the wings was the estranged father of my child, (a Lebanese gentleman, banned from my bedside,) my best friend and childhood friend from Lusaka, Corrence Mwalisuku, and my big brother Anton, (who despite his worthy legal and union background looks like a nightclub bouncer!), expecting sympathy, and perhaps a brow wipe, I was totally taken aback when one of the midwives said, "Please tell us, we are all dying to know, which one is the father?" My answer was short, and expletive free, I managed to snarl, "Wait and see"! Alicia was born soon after weighing a jolly 9lbs loz, and I swore never again! (That was before I settled in Leitrim and along came four more, all born between 45 minutes and 3 hours of arriving at the hospital, far more civilized!)
I absolutely loved the JFDI advice. I have recently set up my own industrial cleaning business, and I feel a little adrift sometimes (I lack the killer instinct) but will be re-reading the posting as it made alot of sense!
Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 23:04:39 (UTC)
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Peter
Abso-*&%*@-lutely LOVE IT! !!!! (Sorry, couldn't resist that format). Great post. Ta muchly.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 21:53:39 (UTC)
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Hi All
nrzam.org.uk has been updated.
Added two articles from Brian Barratt, 'Whip-hand
at Government House' and 'The 'Mcleod-burst' and
after' (May 1961), to Miscellaneous/ Central
African Examiner.
Regards Ian
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 21:41:40 (UTC)
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Doug,
This is a common problem that exists all over the World. And it has very little to do with lines being hijacked! Its the telephone Operators who are involved.They phone you and put you through to numbers anywhere in the World. They then charge the bill to a Government organization. It used to happen a lot in Kenya, Zambia,Tanzania....and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would get charged and no one would notice it! Its more difficult now as the systems are getting computerised. A friend of mine in Manchester received an NTL (Cable) bill for £965!! He has been with them for 5 years and his bill has never exceeded £30 in a month. And the bill shows calls to Hong Kong, Singapore,India...and he doesn't know anyone in these countries! Will keep you posted as to how he gets on and what NTL has to say about it!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 21:24:44 (UTC)
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My telephone has been cutting off each evening for the last week. Telkom finally seems to have fixed it. They tell me that Telkom is down R17 million in Vryheid alone through crooks hijacking lines and renting them out for people to phone overseas, mainly to the middle east and Pakistan. I can't wait to see this months bill.
Last weekend South African police force arrested a van niekerk for being intoxicated while driving a donkey cart. He was most indignant saying the donkeys were sober and they knew the way home.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 21:07:05 (UTC)
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Glen....
You know perfectly what I mean!!
I haven't been to Hyde Park for years. Funnily enough the last time I went there was in 1985 and sadly the issue of Race reared its ugly face on that day. This very eloquent West Indian chap of Indian origin, stood on his soap box, was talking about the Brixton riots when this White man started heckling him with the most vile form of racist language anyone can imagine...at the same time taunting him with the concept of superiority. The man on the soap box calmly asked him if would answer a few questions ..to which this racist replied he would. This was the sequence:
1) "If you saw an Elephant in the jungle and saw a pile of dung next to it who would you assume would have been responsible for it being there?" The man replied "the Elephant"....."Correct" he said.
2) "If you saw a dog in the garden with the same mess next to it...."The man replied "the Dog"...correct.
3) Same question... with a cat...answer..cat...correct.
4) " Now tell me in which Continent is the Sahara desert?"...the racist replied.."Africa"...Correct
5) "In which country is the province of Kutch?"..All went quiet....no answer came.
The man on the soap box calmly looked at him and in the most measured and amicable way...looked at him and said
"You know son..you know more about shit then you know about geography.... and am I to assume that since your hair has some curls in them.. your mother must have tasted something different somewhere along the way"!!!
Now there is a moral in that ...
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 20:57:35 (UTC)
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Ayub - you're not suggesting we get rid of Hyde Park too? Or are you ?
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 19:21:19 (UTC)
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Glen
No problem about making one's feelings count on the board or for that matter anywhere else. So long as one refrains from using racist jibes. Isms such as Racism and Anti-Semitism are the worst forms of human oppression. Anyone who still harbours these attitudes and who tries to portray them should not be given a platform anywhere. That is my opinion and it is an opinion shared by the vast majority of civilised people in this World. To make racist jibes and innuendos at someone simply because he happens to be of a different colour or a follower of a particular religion is not on. Humans will never learn. What Hitler did to the Jews in the forties was meant to be a lesson for all of us. Unfortunately the ghastly system carried on in our part of the world. Therefore we, more than most, should accept that it was a dispicable system and should vie away from trying to "rekindle" it under the guise of free speech. All Governments botch up economies. Ours here does it on a daily basis. Have you heard anyone use the colour of Blair's skin when criticising him? So lets keep race out of healthy debates. It won't be long before a Black person becomes the President of the USA. Are we then going to criticise his policies by suggesting his colour will have something to do with it?. During the rule of KK in Zambia let us not forget that his closest political and economic adivsors were not indeginous Zambians! Try looking up who they were...you will be surprised! We should all be sick and tired of all forms of racism....be it Black or White. Lets bury it. Critcise someone if you want to..but please leave race out of it!
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 19:15:11 (UTC)
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Ayub Z recollects:
A few monts ago I asked a ex-boarding school friend of mine why he never went to Zambia to experience the splendour of its nature and wildlife. The answer he gave me then was "Ayub, I have never been asked to go there"!
Big Snip
Well yes, but I have great faith in travel agents/bucket shops etc. in doing the inviting. They whet one's appetite for a particular region which a potential touron will investigate further, and then make a decision whether or not to go there. It is true that one never sees trips/packages to Zambia (Heather's recent fine efforts in Cape Town notwithstanding)
. Guess the Zambian Ministry of Tourism must share the bulk of the blame.
Take a tip from one who knows - hokoyo blaming the GRZ for anything negative here!!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 19:03:55 (UTC)
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Glen D,
You are the one.
Mazwita
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 18:47:54 (UTC)
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Chris - one would have thought by now you would have figured out why, given during any particular period, the active contributors are few in number. Perhaps some of us have become nervous. We're not reflecting on what we are now. We are products of our past and our experiences in the environment of Northern Rhodesia, now known as Zambia, and we naturally carry with us not only the fond memories, but unfortunately, some of the experiences we acquired as we traveled through that land - damn, we even remember the common language we spoke to those you weren't schooled in English or Afrikaans.
In exactly the same way that I am choosing my words carefully in writing this, I get back to the point about some of us being nervous, not only about what we say, but how we say it. It is sorta like being on a tight-rope isn't it? Say something some one else doesn't like and you'll get a spate of members suggesting you get banned. Many of the members who suggest that another be banned, or accuse another of being prejudiced by writing the truth as they see it are the ones with the real prejudice.
So Chris, here is the way it is. Be prepared to pay the price, as I no doubt will have to by speaking my mind and submitting this without reviewing it and cooling off. Be politically correct, O.K. So now it's my turn to sit back and have a bunch of members shoot barbs at me cause I'm telling it the way I see it. They may even say "Well, if you don't like it . . . . "
But hey, I love the to-and-fro, I love the conflicts and I love the controversy stirred up by any/all contributors. Mainly, I love the common thread that we all have - that we lived in Zambia and that if we were back there we'd all be mouthing off at each other anyway, politics, religion, economics, tourism, beer, chicks, . . . . . .
Still wondering why . . . . . . . ?
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 18:23:58 (UTC)
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Tourism in Zambia...
A few monts ago I asked a ex-boarding school friend of mine why he never went to Zambia to experience the splendour of its nature and wildlife. The answer he gave me then was "Ayub, I have never been asked to go there"! So I managed to persuade him to come to Zambia later this year with me. He agreed. Sadly, he passed away early this month whilst filming in his beloved Amazon with his beloved Jaguars. The friend and ex school mate was World-renowned Wildlife Film Maker, Producer, Author..Nick Gordon. His achievemnts can be seen by writing his name in Google. Moral of the story is..if you do not invite potential promoters of your industry..it will never thrive! Nick always told me that some of his programmes resulted in a rise in tourists to countries featured in that programme. Guess the Zambian Ministry of Tourism must share the bulk of the blame.
Ayub Ismail Zumla [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Manchester, United Kingdom
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 18:16:41 (UTC)
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Jane Todd enquires/writes/wonders/ponders:
Why does Chris Tamm always start a posting with ' so and so says, or writes, or wonders'?
Is it because all the readers of the GNR either forget previous postings, or ignore these postings?
Top of the morning Jane. No real reason other than to stick to a specific topic/issue raised by that person, and avoid moving goal posts when discussing a given issue, and to avoid scrolling back and forth to see what exactly someone said earlier.
Glad to note that the recent to/fro's have brought a few lurkers out of the closet. There are 1542 members here, but only a dozen or less contributors. I wonder why that is so?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 17:34:24 (UTC)
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Ali Key asks whether or not Chris Tamm's superior knowledge of Zambia would allow him to return there and GRZ a helping hand. The answer of course is a resounding YES! I think it would be a great idea for him to stop over in Dallas, on his way there and join up with Mubita Nawa. What a team! Geez- think of the combo. Marketing, banking, religion all in one dynamic duo!
Hey Chris - why is it that you, Ali and Mubita all have a banking background? You're not all members of the "Skebenga" tribe . . . . . are you?
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 16:56:36 (UTC)
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Keith
I think BTW = by the way!
Debbie Stewart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 16:51:29 (UTC)
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I have been reading the comments about mass tourism and how this would help Zambia. It might, but I would not like hordes of tourists to descend on places like the Luangwa Valley where the attraction for me is that it is beautiful, renote and has relatively few people to spoil its nature. Regarding the high airfares that are paid to reach Zambia. Surely this is because, for whatever reason, we live so far away. Maybe this is part of the attraction.
David Livingstone, on reaching the Muchinga Escarpment at the end of 1866 wrote, " I shall make this beautiful land better known, which is an essential part of the process by which it will become the'pleasant haunts of men'". Thank goodness he was not successful.
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:18:42 (UTC)
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Hi Keith,
You have just saved my sanity, I thought I was going mad and worse, had lost all intelligent conversation ablities. I had no idea what all the .. BTW etc.. etc and all the other strange words were, but decided to just shutup otherwise I would look like a total idiot.
Have a good weekend
Madeleine
Madeleine Luckin (née Bekker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 13:05:48 (UTC)
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Well Hello there all you gnr's this fine friday afternoon.
I was just reading Linda email about the Horizon Magazine and all the parties and dances that we used to have.
I know that the Rugby club used ask me to make the curry on a sunday after the game. I used agree to do this only if I was supplied with the onions, we they were in short supply.
All the sundowners and dances were a main part of your life, any excuse and we were all there. When there was no dances we used to go to Lou Andersons Blue Room in the Mine club. He was a very clever md he would give you a menu card (not that you could get the half of the stuff on there) he would then tell you about the house specials. His best one was the chicken in pineapple. He would manager to get about 6 pineables on the Market he would scoop out the filling and use that as the base for your meal. Mind you you had to wait until the last table had finished with the shell of the pineapple so that it could be filled up and under the grill for the next order!!!
I shall now go back to lurking as I have been for the last couple of months, I still check the site everyday to see what is going on or who is new to the members. Have a lovely weekend all. I sure intend to. We are off to the pub at 5.30 which has a lovely view of the Maas and we can sit there and drink cherry beer and wine till our little hearts are content.
Bye for now
Wilma Wall
Maastricht.
Wilma Wall (née Henry) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Almelo, Netherlands
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 12:52:00 (UTC)
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Northerners…
The woes of Zambia….
I realised a long time that many people in this world blame most their problems on others rather than taking “ownership” and doing something about it. It is amazing the whining I have heard and where the blame was assigned rather than facing up to the fact that change starts with yourself.
This blaming of others is really popular within governments. So about fifteen years ago I developed a one hour presentation called “The Principles of JFDI”. JFDI stands for Just F#$%ng Do IT. I have done well over 100 presentations to both government and private organizations and one as recent as last Wednesday to 175 University Administrators.
Here is a summary – although it has an IT slant to it, it is applicable to life in general!!!
The principles of JFDI
What is JFDI?
JFDI is about all the “gems” I learned from listening to others, traveling the world and working in the Information Technology business since 1964…
JFDI is all about work ethic and attitude:
• Have a “can-do” positive attitude
• Emphasize initiative, action and resolution
• Make a difference – add value to what you do
• Show leadership and take ownership of the job you do
• Always strive for excellence
• Actively contribute to your job, not just show up
• Work smart AND hard but have fun
• Be pro-active not re-active
• Be accountable for the things you do – show character
• Encourage free and open communication
• Foster positive relationships - network with everyone
• Give credit when credit is due
• You are responsible for managing your own morale
• Be an optimist – learn to laugh at yourself
• Enthusiasm works AND is contagious
• Go the extra mile and give the extra smile
What are some of the components of JFDI?
• Always use common sense
• Be creative, innovative and take risks
• 80/20 rule – most times you can forge ahead with 80% of the information you have
• Don’t stand in the way - be a solution provider
• Focus on the results not effort required
• Take small steps - crawl, walk then run
• Have a strong sense of urgency
• Yet… patience is a virtue
• Do not be afraid to ask – there are no stupid questions
• Accept responsibility – do not blame others
Wow your Customers!
• Interact with your customer face to face rather than by phone or e-mail
• Always provide “no finger point” support
• Show respect and empathize with your customers
• Be a great listener – listen intently and don’t interrupt
• Be polite, be sweet AND be professional
• Involve your customer in the solution process
• Think win/win
• Keep the deadlines and commitments you make
• Ask if there is anything else you can do
• When in an office, pop by customers and ask if everything is ok or if they need anything
• Go the extra mile, it will pay back handsomely
Teamwork and JFDI:
• Work together as a team with colleagues, managers, clients, consultants and vendors alike
• Share your expertise with the team, help others succeed
• Use the knowledge of your team members, ask for help
• Pick up the ball is someone drops it
• Appreciate cultural diversity
Have JFDI meetings:
• No long meetings - rather have five minute “action” meetings
• Do not hold a $1,000 meeting to solve a $100 problem
Some examples of JFDI:
• KISS - keep it short and simple
• Use one pagers in point format whenever possible
• Respond quickly to e-mails and voice mails, even to acknowledge
• Change your voice mail daily – Today is ****, You have reached the voicemail of….
• Use your out of office e-mail message attendant
• Form JFDI groups with other colleagues, departments and companies
JFDI to do’s:
• Preach the gospel of the “Joys of JFDI”
• Do not micro manage - let people do their job
• Update your own skills and knowledge regularly
• Find a mentor to teach you skills you do not have
• Be a mentor to others
• Always be prompt and on-time – meet your deadlines
• Rise above office politics
JFDI Do not's:
• Do not do everything at once – set priorities, take small steps
• You cannot do everything yourself – learn to delegate and ask for help
• It is ok to say no for now but not to forget
• Don’t put things off
Quickies that pay off:
• Do a 5 minute desk clean-up before you go home
• Allow a daily uninterrupted 30 minutes for planning, reading and creative thinking
• Keep a journal
Adapt:
• Expect constantly shifting priorities – that is the reality of life
• Learn to improvise, modify or do it differently
• Be realistic
Be prepared to fail:
• Admit the mistakes, control the damage, fix it and capitalize on it
• Most great ideas come from lessons learned
• Celebrate your blunders
And…. just remember:
• Work at it - Anyone can be a JFDI’r
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 10:35:39 (UTC)
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Here is something unusual with an African flavour:
http://www.roundabout.co.za/main_the_playpump.htm
Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 08:27:44 (UTC)
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Sorting through my mother's things after she died, I came across some old "Horizon" mags and had to laugh when I checked the 1959 January Diary for Chibuluma/Kalulushi. Goes something like this:
Sat 3 Social and dance at Mine Club
Sun 4 Sundowner dance at Mine Club. Braai and dancing to records at Moth Club
Sat 10 Cricket match between the Old Crocks & the youngsters. Social an dance at Mine Club
Sun 11 Local league tennis. Sundowner dance at Mine Club
Sat 17 Social and dance a Mine Club
Sun 18 Local league tennis. Sundowner dance at Mine Club
Thur 22 Meeting of the Buffs at Moths Club
Sat 24 Mine Club social dance
Sun 25 Local league tennis. Mine Club sundowner dance. Moths Club braaI and dance
Sat 31 Mine Club social dance
Did our parents do anything else other than have sundowners, braai and dance the weekends away?
Linda Moult [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 08:12:12 (UTC)
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Another one, Mazungu (not to be confused with Mabubgu) = white person. More hits on that in google than all the others.
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 06:21:01 (UTC)
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Talking in tongues:
"Mabungu" : OK, Google took me to a site where mabungu is caterpillar in Swahili or burial place in Zimbabwe.
"Skebenga" : Google again revealed that this is Zulu for rascal.
GRZ = Govt of Republic of Zambia
LUN = airport code for Lusaka
but
I'm still trying to solve BTW
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 06:17:27 (UTC)
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Why does Chris Tamm always start a posting with ' so and so says, or writes, or wonders'?
Is it because all the readers of the GNR either forget previous postings, or ignore these postings?
Jane Todd (née Zwanenburg, formerly Bye, Kelly) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Shatti Al Qurm, Muscat, Oman
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 05:11:14 (UTC)
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Hi all,
when there are people who constantly point out the woes of Zambia.whether it be the state of the economy or tourism etc.. I feel the need to give positive imput and yes there are a lot of positives about Zambia ..just some people seem to have the same arguments over and over again...Chris, I wasn't being sarcastic just pointing out a fact there are too many people in this world who take a step back instead of forward..for goodness sake Zambia needs to be helped not damned
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Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 02:55:21 (UTC)
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"Sarcasm n. a bitter sneer, a satirical comment remark in scorn or contempt." (Source: Chambers 20th Century Dictionary). I don't think it can be said with real accuracy that Ali was being sarcastic. It was more along the lines of a suggestion to go and heal the land instead of complaining about it. Anyway, talking of forms of wit, surely the nadir would be a complete absence of wit. Why not show us yours? Why not make us laugh, Chris, add some happiness, without putting anyone or anything down. Go on then.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 02:48:31 (UTC)
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Ali K wonders:
Chris Tamm
with your good Knowledge of the Zambian economy have you ever thought about returning there to give the GRZ a helping hand..........
Have you ever heard that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?
BTW, if you wish to become more knowledgeable on the state of the economy in Zambia, let me know. I shall be glad to assist you. There is a ton of stuff on the web.
Can I assume that that is the end of a reasonable discussion regarding the potential for tourism in Zambia?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 02:17:40 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm
with your good Knowledge of the Zambian economy have you ever thought about returning there to give the GRZ a helping hand..........
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, May 28, 2004 at 01:48:16 (UTC)
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Jack W,
Thanks for the input Jack. Hardly sounds like mass tourism to me?
How very sad though
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 23:25:52 (UTC)
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Just for the record on Africa tourism my recent experience is that Kenya tourism is in crisis and has been for a couple of years.
We had a week in Kenya in March this year when we were treated quite royally although we did the whole trip on Airmiles and Hotel points. We spent fours nights at Salt Lick Safari Lodge and I met the manager who told me that there had been no charter flights into Mombasa from UK for over a year- since BA initially suspended flights into Kenya. Although scheduled flights resumed charters did not. Salt lick which once was a premium resort was almost deserted; with 2 lodges running at less than 10% occupancy they were forced to shut down Taita Hills lodge. With 200 beds available at Salt Lick, 3 of 4 nights maxed at about 10 people. On one night we had about 50 with one nighters from Mombasa.
For the record Salt Lick was brilliant: Elephant right under our noses under the stilts; plenty of lion and cubs, and our Game driver, Dennis, found us a cheetah on a kill.
I cant wait to visit Luangwa again- have only been there once, in 1972 when I was lucky enough to see a couple of Rhino. Sad that they are no longer there.
One short anecdote of that luangwa trip. The Lodge manager was in dispair as his refidgeration plant was broken down and he could not get a service guy out from Lusaka quick enough. All the frozen food was at risk never mind the beer. As an engineer - though not a skilled craftsman - I asked if I could have a look. It was just broken drive belts and he had spares. Snag was there were no tools !! However I managed to effect repairs with a hammer and a screwdriver and I was on free drink till he realised how much I could consume!!!
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 22:20:41 (UTC)
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All this superior twaddle about how Zambian's economic woes were caused entirely by the Zambians themselves, is getting quite boring.
Can anyone tell me if chewing gum is still made in Zambia from Mabungus?
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 19:49:34 (UTC)
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CK waffles on:
"Airfares from the UK are cheap, but I was thinking of a previous posting where it was mentioned that flying from Johannesburg to Lusaka is 3 to 4 times as expensive as flying to Capetown. "
Yes, that is true, so who exactly should be doing the "discounting"? That earlier posting talked about foreign airlines, but it is really the locals who are the skebengas.
Mass tourism would be along the lines for example, of travel packages to the Kenyan coast from Europe, or the Caribbean from the U.S.
I am truly not familiar with mass tourism to the Kenyan Coast? Such packages are not well advertised. Packages to Africa are mostly to South Africa and Botswana, and Egypt of course. But even calling that mass tourism would be a stretch.
"Obviously the Zambian government does not have the funds and should not be involved in the business of building and operating hotels to cater for the increased numbers of tourists, etc, but could promote and give tax incentives to private investors to build and run them. The aim is to increase the tourist volume and benefit from the effects of tourist spending."
You conveniently forget one primary issue. The tourist infrastructure was well on the way to being developed in Zambia, but was brought to it's knees, along with the rest of the country, by the GRZ. You are right though, the GRZ should merely encourage and facilitate tourism, but get right out of the way of the private sector. The truth is though, that they have demonstrated no inclination to do so.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 17:34:27 (UTC)
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Just to let all those at the GNR, and those who knew her, that Merle Moult died last Thursday, 20th May in hospital in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. Merle was a prominent figure in the badminton and tennis world in Zambia in the 1960's and 70's and used to live in Kalulushi. She worked at the Chibuluma research library. She was 79 years old when she died.
Linda Moult [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kyalami, Johannesburg, South Africa
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 09:01:21 (UTC)
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What a coincidence after reading "The West Australian" newspaper here this morning with a supplement on tourism in Africa and then finding all the chat on the GNR board overnight on holidaying in Zambia. If I remember I will try to post some of the details tomorrow on this site. However, and as usual, I don't think Zambia got a mention. It is always Zimbabwe and Botswana that get promoted and, along with South Africa, the countries that most people here in Oz would associate with safaris and holidays in southern Africa. Apparently the Victoria Falls Hotel (Zimbabwe side) has its one hundredth birthday in the first week of June and there are all sorts of celebrations planned.
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 05:59:34 (UTC)
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Re: Tourism and airfares
Airfares from the UK are cheap, but I was thinking of a previous posting where it was mentioned that flying from Johannesburg to Lusaka is 3 to 4 times as expensive as flying to Capetown. Mass tourism would be along the lines for example, of travel packages to the Kenyan coast from Europe, or the Caribbean from the U.S. Obviously the Zambian government does not have the funds and should not be involved in the business of building and operating hotels to cater for the increased numbers of tourists, etc, but could promote and give tax incentives to private investors to build and run them. The aim is to increase the tourist volume and benefit from the effects of tourist spending.
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 05:28:36 (UTC)
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Ali, you really need to stop moving the goalposts. If you choose to live in Perth, and choose to vacation in Zambia, you will have to pay more. But let me tell you, in just a flash, I looked up cheaplights.com.uk and found dozens of flights from Perth to LHR starting at GBP497 (roundtrip of course), and dozens of flights from LHR to LUN starting at GBP398. If you lived in Sydney, you would be better off again for the LHR leg of the trip.
And backpackers are only a part of the equation.
We had a quiet day here, can you tell?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 03:31:14 (UTC)
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Tourism is where the mighty dollar is , no matter what , how or where people will come to see the attractions.....I remember backpacking and staying in hostels with the bare necessities in New Zealand...and believe it or not...... people prefered to rough it !!!!
I and many others would love to get to Zambia BUT to get there from Perth you are looking at $3000 and that is before looking at finding a bed to sleep on...
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 02:45:34 (UTC)
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Chandru Krishna writes:
Would mass tourism work for Zambia and lower air fares through higher volumes of passengers? Should there be more promotions and discounting?
I don't know which newspapers you read, but if you were to pick up a copy of the New York Times (Sunday edition), or pick up your phone and call a bucket shop in the US or UK, you will find any number of really cheap fares to Africa, including Lusaka.
Your words are really quite hollow - what does mass tourism really mean? How many beds are there in Lusaka, the Belt, and Livingstone for the masses to stay at? And how much do the masses have to pay for accommodation and activities? In convertable currency?
The problem is not with the air fares. The problem is that most tourists are quite fussy and expect value for their hard earned dollars. If they perceive better value in other countries, they will flock there in droves. If Zambia really wants loads of tourists, they need to work on the tourist infrastrucure first.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 02:15:34 (UTC)
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Ag ja well no fine Meg (have no idea how one would say that in Eire??)
I really DO understand Mr Patel's plight, and the problem is not his fault. The GRZ wants/needs/demands indeed, loans from the IMF which they are prepared to make, but with certain conditions. It is the terms and conditions that the GRZ (and many here on the GNR) object to, because it makes it far more difficult for the GRZ to default, and then beg for loan forgiveness (as they used to do with monotonous regularity.) The IMF have finally begun to respond to taxpayers complaints. A loan is a loan, just like Mr Patel needed to borrow from local banks. When he failed, he would have had to declare bankruptcy to the chargrin of the lending bank, and if the bank did that often enough, then they too would have filed for bankruptcy. The GRZ merely wishes to be held to a different standard - they borrow like crazy, squander the money, demand forgiveness, and then do the same trick all over again. The IMF has been far too liberal all these decades and the kites are finally losing their wind and are beginning to tumble. Not a moment too soon.
Just as an example, the sugar industry in Hawaii which was king for the past 150 years, has fallen. Why? Cheaper imported sugar from places like South America and Asia where labor costs are substantially lower. The cane fields and mills are gone, thousands of people out of work. The company(s) assets liquidated, and guess what - most of those people are back at work in the same lands, but now growing other products that are in demand and require the climatic conditions that Hawaii offers. Are they better off? You bet - at least most of them. They had zero government support other than temporary dole payments. The lesson? Perhaps Mr Patel should shut down his textile mills and manufacture something else for which there is a demand. And the GRZ should cease wanting their cake and then eat it as well as also too!
And just in case the usual suspects are preparing to come down on me like a ton of bricks again, these comments/observations/opinions have nought to do with race/creed/color. They are based on simple conservative economic principles which I learned the foundations of growing up in places where all of us came from, and then studied and practiced/implemented in later life.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 01:00:34 (UTC)
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Aagh! I feel that I have had a bite taken out of me by a marabundu ant! Here goes Chris Tamm (hell, why couldnt you have taken me up on the Size of the OPW's chimbuzi paper or something trivial instead!)
Cast-off uk clothes make Zambia poor by Nick Mathiason
Sury Patel used to run Swarp one of the countrys biggest clothing manufacturers. In its heyday he employed more than 200 people, rproducing 2400 shirts a day. Today he employs 20, and instead of finely tailored shirts he has been reduced to churning out cloth which sells for a pittance. It seems far fetched that the destruction of Patels enterprise is caused by charity, but economic reforms forced on Zambia by the Wrld Bank and IMF gave the country a stark choice, privatise and open up industry to overseas competition or lose international aid. In recent years the IMFs free market doctrimne has lifted restrictions onimports. In a bizarre spinoff, the Zambian textile industry has seen a glut of imported 2nd hand clothes which uk chrities cannot sell. This has in effect killed Zambiea clothing manufacturing base. We used to have 77 factories says Patel, but from supplying retailers with 3500 tons of clothing annually, we are down toless than 500. in l99l there were l40 textile manufacturers , in 2002 just 8. World bank and imf imposed trade leberalisation has forced Zambia to replace real jobs and livelihoods with charity.Privately, World Bank officials admit that its dogmatic approach to developing countries crises has gone too far. It says iit now wants to give them more ownership over economic policies.
Chandra, mass tourism could work, one only seems to read about travel to Zambia in the Sunday papers, and all the tours and holidays come with a massive price of £3500 for ten days. I wish we could read some articles about the beauty of the country, its stunning geography, and its wealth of culture, but we get grim statistics about aids and poverty, of course these exist, and if the country could get an injection of forex through increased tourism, this would cause a ripple effect of the benefits trickling down to the people who most need it. We expats should all make a concerted effort to convince our globetrotting pals to head for Zambia, I realise that for those people at the bottom of the heap the salaula - "to rummage in a pile", clothes are a godsend, and as a mother of five ever growing children, I do huge amounts of "salaulaing" myself in charity shops and jumble sales to clothe the offspring, and myself. Sorry if Ive bored anyone, but I thought the article overall gave food for thought. Thank you for replying Chris, as you have never before commented on any of my trivial ramblings, I feel somewhat honored!
Meg Rybicki (formerly Margaret) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mullanyduff, Co Leitrim, Ireland
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 23:53:30 (UTC)
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I don't know if the Exchange Control Act is still in force.
The old (?) Sec. 23 only allowed a limited amount of funds to be remitted. It should also be noted, that this was in force since 1961. It was pushed by the Mines ( as was the term "Expatriate"), in the hope of stemming an exodus of experienced personnel. All things cannot be blamed on the Zambian Government.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 22:34:50 (UTC)
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Re: Textiles and other issues
Obviously most of the local population does not have the purchasing power to support the local textile and garment industry. The key for their survival is to focus on selling to where the demand is, i.e. exporting to developed countries. Here is an example of Lesotho which has increased its clothing exports from $140 million to $400 million over the past 3 years:
http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=&fArticleId=2000941
Admittedly the industry is highly competitive and will become even more so in 2005 when quotas are expected to be lifted in the U.S. and Chinese exports are expected to swamp the market.
The key for economic survival in Zambia is to focus on industries which have a comparative advantage i.e. products which are cheaper or higher quality or in unique demand in the global competitive economy. Also the business environment has to be conducive for business to take place and the government should be constantly and actively soliciting investors. An example would be the displaced Zimbabwean farmers who have the skills and expertise in running successful farms (there are already some in Zambia, but there should be more). Mining looks promising with the higher copper prices and a skilled mining labour force available locally. And of course, we have tourism which has good potential. Would mass tourism work for Zambia and lower air fares through higher volumes of passengers? Should there be more promotions and discounting?
Chandru Krishna [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Rockville, Maryland, United States
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 22:21:05 (UTC)
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Glen,
That's why I said,"Thank God for Grandkids - I love you dearly, now go back to your Mother".
Ken Fernie (soon to be a Great-Grandad}
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 21:55:04 (UTC)
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Looking for Athol Raws
The message below is posted on behalf of Lindsay Hayter. Please contact Lindsay directly if you can help. Thanks.
Does anyone remember ATHOL RAWS or his mother ESTHER RAWS who lived in Salisbury around 1966? Athol would now be about 55 and Esther would be late 70's. He had lived with my grandmother in the UK as a small boy and came back to UK in 1966 with his friend Bruce before doing national service. All contact was lost soon after that. Any news would be welcome or suggestions of where I can look for him.
Contact Lindsay Hayter at lindsayh@absamail.co.za.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:25:50 (UTC)
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Elias had asked me to post this quite a while back.
Sorry it took so long Elias!
Finlay Bisset's contribution to the British Empire!
Just prior to Zambia's independence, the Americans
were actively promoting new trade links between the
'about to emerge' vast African Market & Uncle Sam.
An active role player in this frenetic campaign was one
Senator Mennen Williams, widely known as "Soapy"
because of his investments in the Personal Hygiene
& Laundry products manufacturing Industry.
Many of Zambia's established businessmen viewed these
activities as attempts to oust them from their country
of birth & livelihoods in Zambia, & were very suspicious
of visits to Zambia by any of these trade 'interlopers'.
It came to pass that Soapy arrived at Lusaka airport
amid much fanfare & interest by both local & overseas
press, & Finlay Bisset was at the forefront of
the throng of bodies at the arrivals hall.
Soapy, seemingly very impressed with the reception,
walked towards Finlay with outstretched hand & was duly
flattened by a smack in the chops from Finlay for his
efforts!
Finlay was one of the aggrieved Northern Rhodesian
businessmen.
An assault charge was laid by Soapy. The incident was
reported worldwide & very soon Finlay receivd a deluge
of cash donations from Americans for his legal defence.
It seemed that Soapy was not even popular in his own
country!!
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 18:27:01 (UTC)
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