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Rugger
For those enthusiasts, here is a clip from Planet Rugby:
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"Part of South Africa's problem was their inability to win possession. They lost seven line-outs to the more competitive Wallabies, and threw one in skew. They also lost a sloppy scrum. In addition, they again conceded more penalties than their opponents."
I know the Seorf Efrikens are crying big tears today, but at the end of the day, they were beaten by a superior team, some poor reffing notwithstanding. The bokkes first try was from a forward pass, but no one is talking about that?
So Douggie, old fruit, who do you say will end up winning the Tri Nations? (try to be objective will you)
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 21:58:23 (UTC)
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There was a follow up to Tina's news flash about Mazabuka the man did appeal and after spending 3 weeks in Bwana Makuba his sentence was revoked, but on being told of this he said he wanted to serve his full sentence as the oral sex in there was out of this world.
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 20:57:01 (UTC)
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Tales from Mazabuka.
Does anyone know the ultimate outcome to this strange September 2001 tourist tale?
Friday, 26 October 2001
Granted it's only 6 years with hard labor but still....
Wolfgang Seifarth, 65, was expected to appeal the sentence handed down in the southern Zambian town of Mazabuka, 60 miles from the capital Lusaka. Magistrate Aloysius Mapate said in his ruling that oral sex was ``a gross abomination against Zambian laws.''
``This has to stop. You are now sentenced to six years (in jail) with labor,'' Mapate said, adding that he had been lenient because Seifarth was a first offender. ``Customs of other countries, which are an abomination here, must not be allowed to be practiced by tourists or anybody,'' Mapate added.
A 22-year-old Zambian woman, Pumulo Mbangweta, who performed the sex act on him in a bush near Mazabuka, was not charged, according to court records....(Reuters)
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 18:41:23 (UTC)
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John Whitham.
As the Message Board is brand new from midnight tonight I will post a reply re NHI (not NI) in the new month. When I saw your reply I had to wait until I could see your profile (especially DoB) to see if you really were pulling my P#####. For the record I also have absolutely nothing against genuine asylum seekers being given refuge and help and/or whatever is needed in any country in the world, but what I don't understand is once the fear/problems that they previously experienced have been removed, why are the asylum seekers not returned (even by First Class Air Travel) to their country of origin. Perhaps its too simple???
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 16:46:02 (UTC)
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Marion
Garneton was named after Garnet Richards. His daughter, Claire Webb lives in Midrand where I live, and actually Garnet passed away here a few years ago. Please contact me if you want me to get hold of Claire for more info - I believe she will have a lot of info at her fingertips.
Doug,
I was hoping that you wouldn't post a half-time score - you put the mockers on it! No wonder Gregan was born in Kitwe - he really is CHIRPY! Wonder why Kitwe folk are like that? Okay - I know - it's the Kafue water! OK - we lost again, but we had a blind referee - that obstruction against du Toit probably changed the game.
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:36:56 (UTC)
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Hartley,
You're wonderful! Thanks so much for giving us the link to photos you're taken of zambia! What a terrific way to reminisce about our homeland.
Regards.
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:05:11 (UTC)
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This fellow goes to see a psychiatrist ( in Mazabuka ) and says " Doc , How come I keep thinking I'm a Welsh singer ? "
The Doc replies " Its not unusual .... "
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 14:31:58 (UTC)
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Scotty Campbell - a likely lad!
I remember Scotty from the early 70s in Ndola. He was a Computer Operator at RCM when Alan and I arrived from England. We worked there, too, in the Computer department until Alan was killed in a car crash in Lusaka in 1973. Alan was in the Ndola Motor Club, and I learnt to fly at the Ndola Flying Club with Owen Bell (does anyone have any news of him?).
I've been in Australia since 1981, with son Robin and now a brand new granddaughter (gorgeous).
R.I.P. Scotty.
Eilean Fairholme (née Badger, formerly Clarke) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 12:00:39 (UTC)
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Craig
Well done! Did the bobojan spanner help or did you just boot the computer.
It is raining in Perth and.......the Boks are leading 16 to 15 at half time. At first the boks walked all over the wallabies but then they caught a wake up and fought back. It is Kitwe born Australian captain George Gregan's 100'th international match. This makes him only the third man to acheive this, and he is still jumping around like a grasshopper.
One idiot on the Bok team cost us a 3 point penalty by fouling George just on half time. Bleery dom donder!
Back to the goggle box!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 11:02:08 (UTC)
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WELL DONE CRAIG!
Thank you. You can now go nigh-nighs...
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 10:25:57 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 6 (FINAL)
The Names Directory is back and fully functional. You can now edit your entry, join the GNR, and view the details for individual members, in addition to the other functions that were down for only a short time.
I will post some more details here later, but in the meantime it wouldn't hurt to check your entry to ensure that it looks as it should. This is especially the case for members who have joined since June 21st or members who have updated their entries since that date. If you changed your password since June 21st, you will find that your new password does not work because that data is not backed up and so was not restored. In such cases, and in any case where you need to retrieve your lost or forgotten user ID and/or password, please use the password-retrieval form.
Thanks for your patience over the last 36 or so hours.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 09:16:48 (UTC)
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Hi
More photos. These I have a reasonable chance of pinpointing when they were taken as they are of some of the decorations around Lusaka getting ready for the Independence celebrations in October 1964.
Also make live easier I have put up an index to the photos I have been posting so all are now available at www.isilwana.net
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 08:37:51 (UTC)
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Two cows are standing next to each other in a field outside Lusaka. Daisy tells Dolly "I was artificially inseminated this morning." "I don't believe you,"said Dolly. "It's true" says Daisy: "no bull!"
Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar in Ndola. One says, "I've lost an electron." The other says, "Are you sure?" The first replies, "Yep, I'm positive..."
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 05:49:53 (UTC)
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Kevin
What could be the reason that you have been so chirpy on the board over the last few weeks?
PS When you send me your password, I will change your email address as requested. Or it will have to wait until I get back and have trawled through my computer to find it from when you sent it to me last time.
Lusakans
Sorry, I know I promised you some updated photos of Lusaka, but I have had a week from hell and am leaving at 6 am tomorrow morning for Shiwa Ngandu and a few days in the North Luangwa National Park with Shiwa Safaris. So they will have to wait until I get back, although I know August is going to be a month from hell too, so it could well be September before they get done.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 22:12:39 (UTC)
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I have been off line for 3 days while Telkom was finding a fault in my line. Talk about withdrawal symptoms!
The problem was caused by high winds and a downpour of 78mm (3"+) in 2 days. This is supposed to be the middle of the dry season and we haven't had such a good rainfall for the last 2 years even in the rainy season. Climate change reaches the platteland!
When I got on line I had about 150 emails most of them junk. Thanks Johnny, Ian, Norman and Alix for the funnies.
Bob, I think that Rotarian 4-way test is excellent, but if you will read back you will see I was just using it to stir Chris up. I had better not say more, because all is pleasantly quiet on the western front.
Arthur, thank for the map of Salisbury. My folks used to live in a house on block 83, Rhodes Avenue, opposite the park in 1958. I was still finishing school in Lusaka but used to go there on holidays. After school and army I worked for a while in Salisbury so the map brings back many happy memories of joyfully misspent youth. Does anyone remember Tiny, the giant barman at the rough Castle Inn who won a drinking contest with an elephant.
Craig, if a computer is stuffing you around what hope have we mere mortals got? I am posting you a bobojan spanner and a 4 pound hammer.
Alix, it's great to hear Jade is following in her Mom's talented footsteps.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 21:11:25 (UTC)
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Marion,
When Dick had his first, memorable, treatment in RSA, his oncologist was Something-or-other Garner-Richards, ex Garneton. He told us that Garneton was named after his father. Dick has just gone to bed otherwise I would have asked him for more details - his memory is so much better than mine!
Hope to see you again around Christmas - if I can locate some reasonable fares. They seem to be pretty high at the moment. Anyway, here's hoping! And if Dick can remember anything more pertinent, I'll let you know.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 20:00:18 (UTC)
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Re: Scotty Campbell
I worked with Scotty for several years in Ndola and we shared a flat for a while. What a scallywag!
One night after work we jumped into Scotty's souped-up Toyota Corolla and headed for Luanshya to find a beer or three. On the way out of town we hit the very last shower of the rainy season, then round the next bend encountered an unlit truck parked on the side of the road. Scotty tried to swerve round it, saw an oncoming car, hit the anchors and the Toyota did a 180 on the wet road and toppled into the ditch. The windscreen fell out and I headed for the gap, trampling all over Scotty on the way out. His bruised ribs ached for weeks afterwards. The car survived and lived to race another day.
RIP Scotty. I suppose this means I can kiss goodbye to the K10 you owe me.
John Whitham [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Windsor, England
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:25:36 (UTC)
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David Hoyle
Like many people you are confusing National Health and National Insurance.
The National Health Service is funded by income tax and is available to all UK residents including, it seems, asylum-seeking Afghan hijackers.
National Insurance is supposedly paid to fund the pitiful UK state pension, but in reality has become just another tax, the proceeds of which are pissed away on things like benefits for asylum-seeking Afghan hijackers.
Sadly the UK is rapidly sinking into a kind of PC-induced madness, which has become worse since Tony and his Cronies took over in '97.
For the record I have nothing against Afghans or genuine asylum seekers.
John Whitham [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Windsor, England
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:14:30 (UTC)
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Doug, I saw your query on a service club's saying. I am a Rotarian (PHF,PP,PHSM) since 1991. Rotary has a Four Way Test which is read at most mealtimes to remind us to do business ethically.
The Four Way Test
Of the things we think, say and do.
Is it the truth
Is it fair to all concerned
Will it build goodwill and better friendships
Will it be beneficial to all concerned.
A metal manufacturer in USA was going broke, many decades ago and wondered if his Company was being really fair to customers and suppliers. He wrote up the above guidelines one evening and instructed his staff to apply them with immediate effect. The Company saw a steady turnaround and soon returned to prosperity. It may seem like pie in the sky to some, but try applying these criteria to your business dealings and you will be surprised what the outcome is. None of us in business are angels these days but a little extra ethical practise does work!
Any other Rotarians out there?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 12:57:09 (UTC)
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Johnny
They turned down my ejector seat/transporter combination. It was for use in the White House, Congress and the Senate or on the Campaign trail.
When a state or national representative makes a statement which would result in endangering the world, the lives of ordinary Americans or removing more money from the pay packet of the average Joe, a button is pressed. The offender immediately find him or herself in the mountains of Afghanistan or the middle of Baghdad at a check point.
It was felt that there would be no one left to run the country if this innovation was employed.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 12:44:11 (UTC)
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Craig when you are listening on your airwaves to the pilots talking when you hear a lady talking very loudly who is flying a helicopter that could be one of our members, she has just presented her latest invention to the Pentagon it is an Ejector Seat for Helicopters and has high hopes of making her fortune with it. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 09:36:43 (UTC)
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Tina
Thanks for passing on the info to Liz
Lisa
Lisa D'Souza (née Doogan) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 09:17:46 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 5
I am making progress on restoring data that was updated since the last back up and am nearly finished -- just two more time-consuming steps to go. But for now I am going to bed, and will finish in the morning.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 08:33:22 (UTC)
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Rachel
Common sense is not completely dead as is shown in an article that I have taken the liberty to copy from.
“MUNICH - Despite their protests, Germany's workers are starting to accept that they may have to work longer hours. Will their French counterparts be next?
“A VICTORY for common sense,” was how Germany's chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, greeted DaimlerChrysler's deal last week with employees at the Mercedes car plants in southern Germany. Workers agreed to receive lower pay in future, with longer working hours for some, in return for keeping their jobs until 2012. Because of union-led industrial action, this was not quite what Daimler had sought—a move to a 40-hour week, which Siemens, another big company, had won shortly before. Nonetheless, it was indeed further significant evidence of an outbreak of common sense among German workers. And about time too. German firms desperately need some labour market flexibility if their domestic operations are to remain at all competitive”
Craig
Heather is indeed partially responsible for my woes as she was going to change my contact address several months (even weeks) ago. Sorry Heather, I know that you will get round to doing it sometime and I am not holding my breath.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 08:27:10 (UTC)
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I write a newsletter for the 'Itimpi Residents Association' and would like to do an article on the history of Garneton.
Does any one have any information on how this area started? I have heard it was zoned as retirement village for miners in the early 50's but would appreaciate any information e.g. clubs that used to be active, previous residents, how the name came about etc. etc
Marion Mould
marionm@microlink.zm
Marion Mould (née Purvis) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 08:07:38 (UTC)
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Kevin,
Sounds like you must have Heather configuring your e-mail for you.
Birds? You mean of the non-feathered variety? After recent experiences I have sworn off of them, I'm afraid. Any chirpiness on my part is definitely not related to that. Don't get me started.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 07:23:06 (UTC)
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To all who knew him
So sad to hear the news about Scotty Campell, I knew him from the days he left school, and last met him and had lunch with him at the Lusaka Club in 1998, what a great guy and character, he had not an easy life for one reason and another, I for one though, as so often in life not in constant touch will miss him sadly and offer my sincere condolences to his family
Rest in Peace my old friend'
Frank
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 06:55:58 (UTC)
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Craig
You’re extraordinary chirpy these days. Do I detect a bird in the picture somewhere?????.
I received some e-mails recently from members through the “contact” on the GNR, these unfortunately were deleted before I had chance to read them, I know that one was to do with swimming. If I haven’t replied to you please resend to me, my old address is valid till tomorrow.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 06:11:43 (UTC)
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Linda,
Yes, they are live links (although all pointing to the same "Function is Off-line" page at the moment) and once the problem is fixed you will be able to click on the links in your saved Word document and view the individual Names Directory entries, just as you can for any member whose link appears somewhere on the site -- e.g., in the signatures of the messages posted here, or in the specific lists on the main Names Directory page.
However, I was planning to make the entire list available once again anyway with the next update of various scripts used to display the Names Directory, so this is just an unintentional preview. In fact, it was while working on this project that I made the mistake which lead to the current situation.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 03:56:26 (UTC)
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Craig:
Just out of curiosity, I cut and pasted the 1645 names from the Names Directory to Word. They appear to be "live" links, although I know at this point there is a glitch and I cannot connect to the profiles through them. Does this mean that when you have the problem fixed, if I click on the link of any name in my Word doc, I can access their profile. If so, have I opened Pandora's Box here? I could not remember if you need to sign in with your password in order to get to the Names Directory normally.
It's 9:46 pm in Texas and just thought I would throw that out to you if you are checking the Board tonight.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 02:53:34 (UTC)
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Hartley; Re your photos of the Lusaka schools, I was much to old to have attended, but was billeted in the Boys School which you photographed. This was around 1961/62. The most amazing co-incidence was the fence which you captured on film the at the back of the playing fields was that which we used to climb over at night to go down to The Grand Bar, it does not look in better shape now , ( the fence ) , than it was then, except a lot higher before. ( Or so it seemed when returning to barracks in the wee small hours) Up at six to begin another hards graft doing nothing! No wonder I was very tempted to join The Rhodesian Light which was being formed at that time but went back to farming in the Valley. Also amazed at so little postings of the best days of our life at Llewelin, when such a cross section of society and the three countries met together and endured the bullshit, on which looking back was quite comical when you got used to it.( Excepting 252s) Regards Colin.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 02:09:42 (UTC)
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Craig, good one. Should be lots of fun for a change of pace just listening to the routine chatter! Was reminded of this hoary old story:
A DC-10 had an exceedingly long landing rollout after landing with his approach speed just a little too high in San Jose.
Tower: "American 751 Heavy, turn right at the end if able. If not able, take the Guadalupe exit off of Highway 101 back to the airport."
Jade, congratulations on winning your art competition. Have fun spending the $20 and keep on with the art.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 02:05:06 (UTC)
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Tina and other Flying Fundis,
I know I'm supposed to be fixing the database (I am) but I have just discovered a really cool Web site, which of course has nothing to do with Northern Rhodesia or Zambia but there has been some aviation-related discussion recently. It's called LiveATC.net, and you can listen to streaming broadcasts of pilot/controller communications over the Internet. They have a couple of dozen airports listed, mostly in the States of course, but right now I am listening to various frequencies out of Perth clear as a bell! Too cool.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 01:45:13 (UTC)
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Hi Lisa
I had passed your request on to my ex-classmate Liz this morning since she is married to Sue's brother.
Yes, for her, love is a many splendored Tring.
(So of course she is now Liz Tring). She was passing the info to her sister-in-law.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 23:00:29 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 4
Some good news: I have determined that, due to the existence of back ups, no data has been lost. However, it is going to take some time to restore the data misplaced in and missing from the main database. For that reason the two functions that make changes to the database (joining and editing) will remain off-line until the database has been restored. Because some individual records have also been corrupted, the ability to view entries will also remain off-line until the database has been restored.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 22:27:35 (UTC)
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Frank
I used to spend a few days and nights on the Hell Run repairing and keeping some of the trucks on the road. We would sometimes have to camp in the bush until we fixed them.
By the time we got back to kitwe, you could not tell if one was white, black, pink or purple. We were glad to see the end of it.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 20:20:54 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 3
All functions of the Names Directory have been returned to service with the exception of the form for joining the GNR, the form to edit your Names Directory entry, and the detail pages for each member's entry.
Estimated return to normality: At least 12 and possibly 24-36 hours. Updates will continue to be posted here.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 20:08:51 (UTC)
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Some very sad news received today. Scotty Campbell, ex Luanshya, Ndola and most recently, Lusaka, passed away on Monday in Lusaka. He had been having treatment in Joburg until a few weeks ago, seemed to be doing well and then very suddenly deteriorated. He was a very good friend of ours for many, many years and will be greatly missed. Our deepest sympathy to his wife, Ann.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 19:42:48 (UTC)
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David Hoyle: Maybe the shape of things to come in the U.K.
The following is a transcript ( almost ) of an application by a single mother for Welfare in the State of Mississippi.
Q. "How many children do you have?"
A. " Sixteen"
Q. " Boys or girls?"
A. " Eight boys and eight girls".
Q. " What are the boy's names?"
A. " They're all called Jamie".
Q. " What are the girls' names?"
A. " They're all called Jemima".
Q. " Why do all the boys and all the girls have the same
names?"
A. " Makes things easy. When I say, Jamie clean up
the yard and take out the trash, all the boys do
their share. When I say, Jemima, sweep up and
dust, they all do their share.
Q. " What if you want one in particular?"
A. " Then I just call them by their last names!"
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 19:38:10 (UTC)
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Anyone remember the Illions of Livingstone?
Illions Jewellers?
Specifically, son Mike, of "Mikes Kitchens" fame.
Also the McFeats - Vic falls Power Station?
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 19:16:07 (UTC)
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hi Frank My dad regularly went on the hell run and we have some old photos somewhere, I remember spending the night on the floor of a truck on the way to Lusaka where he would drop me off
Sandy White (née Greasley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wallingford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:58:31 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE
The problem does not affect posting here on the message board. However, all other functions associated with the Names Directory are off-line. This includes joining the GNR, updating your Names Directory entry, sending messages to other members through the Web-based interface, viewing entries, and viewing the list of recent, recently updated, and pending entries, and entries with bad e-mail addresses.
In the meantime you can enjoy an unintended side effect of this annoyance, which is a complete list of the membership at the bottom of the page. However, you cannot see the entries for any members or contact any of them.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:29:31 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY DOWN
Due to a screw up on my part the Names Directory is down. I will get it back up as soon as possible, and let you know the situation when I do.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:24:13 (UTC)
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Hartley,
The rally pictures were GREAT. Brought back a few memories! I had forgotten what the front of Inter-Continental Hotel looked like.
Thanks.
On the subject of common sense, I was once told by my science teacher at Hillcrest: "common sense is usually very uncommon"
Regards
Bikash Paul [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:17:46 (UTC)
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Common Sense.
I feel the posting from Rachel Mounsey of Leeds deserves some form of acknowledgement which for whatever reason, the members didn't think necessary.
I just happen to think that common sense is only available at a premium in this present world.
I accept that I live in an area that is not considered up to the "norm" by those living outside it and I also accept that my line of communication to the real world is limited to satelite television (News from Star, Orbit and CNN) and "The Weekly Telegraph".
Back to the subject of Common Sense.
Please can anybody, from anywhere in the world explain in simple terms how Afgan hijackers can be given rights and free UK State benefits and housing because "they acted under duress". I'm under duress because I am not allowed medical treatment in UK even though I have paid NHI (National Health Insurance) contributions all my life???
I have thought very carefully before I posted this. This is not a question of losing common sense this is a question of going into a (LEGAL) realm of absolute madness which I feel the majority of people in UK are now accepting as the norm but I'm not sure why.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 17:32:34 (UTC)
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Lisa,
Welcome. You might want to try contacting Bob Tring to see if he can help you locate Sue.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 17:22:59 (UTC)
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Hi
Just reading the postings and thinking of our time in Zambia, when we entered the country at Livingstone I was disturbed to be asked by the officer how many miles to the gallon my car did, I was'nt aware of petrol rationing, he give us some petrol coupons and advised us to try and get some more in Lusaka, and also never never reverse the car, was that a law?
When we arrived in Kitwe I parked my car on some waste ground and this kind Zambian said he would wash the car for a pittance, I locked the car then went to The mine offices to report, when I came back the lad was just completing the valeting, the car doors was still locked but a lot of my gear had gone. He denied any involvment welcome to Zambia.
Having said that we had a fantastic time and would love to go back for a visit.
Anyone invoved in the so-called hell run, Dar a Salaam to Kapiri Inposhe? (not sure if thats the right spelling) some of the expatriates on the copperbelt bought shares in Trucks to make a quick fortune many of the trucks did'nt make it.
Living in Chililabombwe during the petrol shortage we could always pop over the border into Zaire and buy petrol from the local villagers, mind you had to be on your guard the rascals would sell you a can of water with petrol floating on the top.
TTFN Frank & Ethel
Frank Prior [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oldham, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 14:02:40 (UTC)
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Hartley
My daughter has one of those phones and she finds it very helpful, esp the video.....she has sent me photos, and I have sent them to my email and the photo turned out ok to use as my wallpaper !
Craig..you still have friends out there..giggles
oh and just one last word.. Congratulations Jade I have competition now..my darling daughter jade won 2nd prize in an art exhibition today......her art work was very visual and unusual she had to draw her face not looking at it and then use other meduim (paint dyes etc) her title was "I see you"
it must be the "African genes " as there are some wonderful artists from Zambia and other places....I am always looking forward to seeing the art work that Heather uses on her Lowdown each month and her Katemba website.
ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 11:43:16 (UTC)
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Hi All
Its great to read back all the interesting stories it takes me back to the great times in Zambia Lusaka
I know alot of you's may remember me as i must have booked your flights at some stage or even taken you into the aircraft i am still in the airline field this time not Lusaka But Heathrow
If any one knows Sue Tring please ask her to contact me. We were very good friends. We used to love dancing to the wariors and having her dad or my sister drive us to the disco.
The last time we were together was when i had just given birth to my first son who is now 24yrs this was in Feb 1980 at St theresa's Hospital wimbledon.
Sue has a daughter and named her Lisa after me.
I would like to thank Owen Milner for introducing me to GNR.
Lisa D'souza (formerly Doogan)
Lisa D'Souza (née Doogan) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 11:26:29 (UTC)
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Hi (again)
I have just found a few minutes and have posted the photos of the National Assembly Building. These can be found at www.isilwana.net/national_assembly.
Linda
The name Peter Alexander does ring a bell but like a lot of people from back then trying to put a face to the name doesn't come easy.
Heather
What you need to do is invest in one of the new mobile phones, the camera on the latest batch take a photo which is fine for the Internet. I recently obtained a Nokia 7610 which has a 1 megapixel resolution (1152 x 864 pixels) camera. It also has a separate storage card so in future I should never be without a camera. So saying all this I have yet to fully try it out.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 09:58:24 (UTC)
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Heather,
Jislaaike, now I have you and Cape Town Chukky threatening me with GBH! I must be doing something right.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 09:04:26 (UTC)
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Hello
It is great to see so many ex GNR are all in communication.
I grew up in Livingstone(1955 - 1966). Went to Holy Cross Convent.
The happiest memories are of the years in Livingstone.
My family and I are busy planning a trip to the GNR which we hope to achieve before the middle of 2006. Have not been back since 1966. My sister and her husband have been twice over the last 3 years. 4X4 trekking.
Hope to hear from anyone who remembers me.
Cheers
Robbie
Robert Cloke [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, KwaZulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 08:39:23 (UTC)
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Craig
Sounds OK to me. But remember Niccolo Machiavelli said 'If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared'
I am changing it to 'If Heather has to get her revenge on Craig, it WILL be so severe that his vengeance will not be feared'
But as for now, it is way past your bedtime ! So go to bed !
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 08:16:09 (UTC)
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Alan Tomlinson
great to see so many ex-Ndolans crawling out of the woodwork! Welcome!
Thanks also for the link to the excellent feature on Ndola - fascinating reading.
regards
Barry
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 08:05:55 (UTC)
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Mo,
Touché! :)
Heather,
There's a caricature brewing in my mind as a result of one of your comments. I just have to find a couple of original pictures, do a little "photoshopping", and post it. Like Arthur, I will keep it in reserve for when you least expect it.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 07:58:44 (UTC)
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Peter Conway, Fred Anderson, Arthur Adey, Stuart Roberts, Roger Welsh, Neil Taylor, Mark Trevor, Daniel Regan
Best wishes on your birthday
Hartley
Yes, that is correct. On Sunday, I was driving into Lusaka on the GNR from Nsobe, the sun was going down and as I came over one of the hills, in the distance was the building, bright and bold, reflecting the sunlight.
But where was my camera?
In the office !
Yes, there was a club house out at Eureka, but that was closed down at some stage (late 70's or early 80's). The LMC is now, I think, in the showgrounds although the Motorcross track is at Eureka, but at a different spot.
Christina Dillon
No, the Lusaka Hotel was not originally call the Grand Hotel. The Grand Hotel was on the same side of Cairo Road, but further south, opposite where Keyes/CBC/ZCBC was, on the corner of what is now Katungila Road (can'r remember what the old name was) but in the same street as the Twentieth Century Cinema was.
The Grand Hotel was owned by the Galaun family. Still is as far as I know, although it no longer operates as a hotel.
As I said, the Lusaka Hotel was originally Counsell's Hotel. I am not sure who owned it in between but it eventually was owned by Lonrho and is now owned by a company called Intu Africa (no website)
I've been trying to get to Chipongwe for the last few months, but as Cecil John Rhodes said,'so much to do, so little time'
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 06:55:45 (UTC)
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Ndola is 100 years old this year …..
After lurking for several years, this is my first post ….. motivated by )my) perceived shortage of contributions from ex-Ndola people!
This is a link to a very interesting article, published 13 July 2004, on www.allafrica.com , detailing the history of Ndola.
I love the reference to the old “European Hospital”, now the Psychiatric Hospital ….!! Makes one think. Are we all mad - for having left?
http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/200407130459.html
Alan Tomlinson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Randburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 06:42:57 (UTC)
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The Lusaka Hotel was originally called the Grand Hotel, I think. I have very happy memories of it up to the age of 5 - 1958, I remember the chicken curry they used to serve it was yummy, also does anyone remember going to Chipongwi, probably spelt it wrong but we used to go there and have a great time.
Christina Dillon (née Hulme) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Robina, Queensland, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 05:48:02 (UTC)
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Thank you Craig! Most people just say "I see you're still alive" ..... not many say it's NICE! ;)
Mo
Moira Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 03:13:40 (UTC)
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Moira,
Nice to see that you're still alive. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 03:05:53 (UTC)
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LINDA ...
"They even have a product that is a mixture of Ponds 7 Day Beauty Plan and SPF 45. It gives you a face that glows like the sun and feels like a baby's bum."
Does that mean that one can make the sun shine out of one's arse by wearing this stuff????
Regards,
Mo
Moira Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 02:42:24 (UTC)
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All this talk about sunscreen. Here in the States there's a whole s--tload of numbers just to confuse the proletariat. Wanna good sunscreen and a tan to boot?- try Brylcreem, yes the hairdressing, only don't go in my pool 'til you've showered off. Believe me, it works (and doesn't cost a fortune). Just another supersaver from a canny Scotsman.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 01:45:16 (UTC)
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"Ag sistog, Marlene, what a helluva job this is ,
the boss won't even give us time to go and have a zizz......................"
Tina ... well done ! One of my favourite lines of the 60's ...
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 01:12:05 (UTC)
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Charlie,
Very punny. :) You would be confusing the Headmaster with Peter, who just sent me a picture of him in the Toronto Hooters. He certainly gets around!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 01:05:48 (UTC)
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Hartley:
Thanks for the great photos of the rally. By any chance did you know Peter Alexander? He and I were good friends at one time and he was a rally car racer too. I know that he died of an allergic reaction to bee stings.
George:
Your posting brought back memories of peeling the longest piece of skin, just like you said. When I was a kid, I think we used Sea and Ski sun cream, if I remember. The SPF factor of 15 is the lowest we get here I think. It goes up to 45 or some such number now. They even have a product that is a mixture of Ponds 7 Day Beauty Plan and SPF 45. It gives you a face that glows like the sun and feels like a baby's bum.
Explanation about my posting re: Scotland
Mention the word Scot and drink in the same posting and it is amazing how many people want to catch up with me when/if I come to Scotland... grin. The situation is that I am considering a job offer that will entail me having to make a trip over to England, Scotland and Ireland and it will probably be late November, if I come. It was lovely to hear from so many people and I hope that I can make it. Of course, that is if I can bring enough money to cover the rounds I'm going to have to buy for all you drunkies.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 00:39:46 (UTC)
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Peeling it all off in Durban
I have just returned from holiday in Spain (smart move Carole!) unpacking my case I found that I had:
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 15
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 12
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 8
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 6
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 4
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 2
When we used to holiday in Durban in the early 1960s we had never even heard of sun cream - after being couped up in a car with 2 adults and 3 other children for a week on our journey from the Copperbelt to the coast, (those journeys are still chewed over at family gatherings!) we hit the beach big style. Once the cosies were on, it was case of beach all day, every day, for a month. We burned and peeled (remember the competitions to peel off the logest bit of skin without breaking it?), then burned and peeled some more. Strangely enough I don't remember the pain, maybe I just surpressed the memory, and secretly at work inside my head my subconscious is saying 'buy more cream', 'buy more cream', 'go on, explore the entire factor spectrum' Did I get burned in Spain? Nah, but I did have a hell of a bad allergic reaction to the chemical filters!
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 22:49:56 (UTC)
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Yukon Pete must be asleep, he normally spies these things first - re earlier discussions relating to Ndola airport - checkout eBay item below:
Airport Ndola Northern Rhodesia Photograph Africa Item number: 3739312831
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 22:27:45 (UTC)
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Chris
Obviously you need to scan the slides first. Most flatbed scanners have the facility to do this these days. I have an Epson 4870 Photo but also have a canon that is specific to scanning from slides and negatives.
To organise the photos is easy. I use a product called Imagewalker, www.imagewalker.com, which not only allows for the reduction of photos but also produces the web pages from the photos. The photo reduction is quite good as you can copy them into a separate folder and tell the program to reduce them all to a given size. If you accept the HTML that the program produces, and don't go in and change too many things, to produce a web page for say 20 photos will take no more than 5 minutes. Once you have produced the web page all you have to do is upload it to your web space.
Yes I was a member of the Lusaka Motor Club. If my memory serves me correctly after meeting down at the flying club we then moved to the Municipal Sports Club before we built our own club house out at Eureka, behind the Hindsons house on the corner of the Blue Boar road. We used to meet out there on a Wednesday evening.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 19:37:11 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt,
Thanks for the contact info. I’ve emailed Denis.
Craig H,
When you wrote “The Headmaster and I just might be in CaHoots” - were you referring to the Canadian Hooters franchise?
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 18:41:04 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Thanks for posting those rally photos. It was mush seeing the guys in Safari Suits, and the (at least one) chicks in Miniskirts.
Were you a member of the Lusaka Motor Club by any chance? (Used to share the facility with the Lusaka Flying Club)
Also, can you share with us how you were able to post the photos in such an organised and easy to view manner? I believe I have several boxes of slides taken in Zambia in the late sixties. Yukon Pete advises that these can be digitally transferred on to a CD, but by making them available the way you did, will relieve the Sarky man to concentrate on his Sarky business, and us the ability to breeze through the photos.
Kabanga you are a PC technocrat fundi!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 18:40:22 (UTC)
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Hi
I have just posted the photos taken of some of the cars that took part in the Zambia National Rally held in 1971, 1972 and 1973.
They can be found at www.isilwana.net/national_rally
I know that this is not of great interest to everone but some of you may recognise the cars/drivers and be able to help with names.
I am sorting out some photos of the National Assembly that were taken while it was being built and not long after it was completed, will post these soon. Heather please confirm that I am right, it is the National Assembly Building that has the copper roof.
I am also going through a number of photos taken of Kariba I think in the early 60's. Once again I will let you know when these are available.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 17:17:11 (UTC)
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Hi,
Another piece of "homespun wisdom" sent to me by a friend:
GOODBYE TO AN OLD FRIEND
Today we mourn the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered for cultivating such value lessons as knowing when to come in from the rain, why the early bird catches the worm, and that life is not always fair.
Common Sense lived by simple financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, and a teacher fined for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer Aspirin to pupils. but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted an abortion.
Common Sense finally gave up the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
Common Sense gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, spilled it in her lap and received a huge settlement.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion, his daughter, Responsibility and his son, Reason.
He is survived by two step-brothers, My Rights and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral as so few realised that he was gone. If you still know him, pass this on, if not, join the majority and do NOTHING.
Go well.......Rachel
Rachel Mounsey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 14:29:52 (UTC)
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Peter,
I bought a "white box" (as it's apparently called) from or assembled by Touch Systems, but it's really an Asus with a Touch label on it. I'll send you the details via e-mail... when....
However, as I mentioned, the problem is with the Intel wireless, and it looks like this is a problem across the board with many Centrino-based computers as I have seen the same problems with Dell computers posted on the Web, including on the Dell site. Don't know about IBMs though.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 13:15:34 (UTC)
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Hi Craig...
What kind of laptop did you buy???
Off to the Toronto Hooters today with my son. Will e-mail you photos later,,,,
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 11:34:25 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thank you for the information on the Lusaka Hotel and the trouble you took to post the photos. I must have walked past there so many times (in the dim and very distant past) but have no recollection.
It would be brilliant if you could update the photographs posted by Hartley. Don't worry about the spirit level.... from the UK, any pics are good pics!
John Evans
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 08:06:31 (UTC)
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Ken Fernie
Thank you for those deep and true reminders, though you give credit, qyite rightly to George Carlin you deserve thanks from all of us for bringing these thoughts to our attention, Thank you.
Frank.
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:50:56 (UTC)
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Ahhhh, at least the phone system works. :) Obviously not running Windows.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:44:43 (UTC)
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Craig
As I said to Arthur - it's quite peaceful because that young whippersnapper can't answer back - for once, Arthur and I are in control
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:31:41 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks for your concern about my e-mail. No, it's not sorted yet. Actually, the problem is not the e-mail; the problem is with one of the drivers for my Intel wireless network card (and I am pursuing that avenue) but it manifests itself as the "blue screen of death" every time I try to send an e-mail message. However, the support people for my notebook didn't call me back today so I will try another route before I go to bed. I will try using a wired network tomorrow if all else fails, as I can't manage like this indefinitely.
The timing of Ken's post was appropriate. These devices are supposed to simplify our lives, yet in reality they make life a pain in the rear when they fail.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:24:16 (UTC)
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David Gibb, John Whitham, Jimmy Churchil, Lynne Paterson, Ian Hugo
Best wishes on your birthday
Bill Hunt
Only replied last night by email which you should have received by now. And sent an email to Craig asking for the email address, but he is unable to respond because ..... because ..... because .....
Craig
Have you sorted your email out yet? Mine is now sorted.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 05:54:15 (UTC)
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Sheeesh no one said anything.......
Doug - Lola Palooza and Myra Kisorsome should be contacting you shortly via the GNR. Sounds like it should be a merry meeting.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 04:20:59 (UTC)
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The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more
knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness. We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and
pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things.
We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudices. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.These are the times of fast foods and slow
digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips,disposablediapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete. Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side. Remember, to give a warm hug to the one
next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all, mean it.
A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you. Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.
Thank you most sincerely George Carlin. He wrote this after the passing of his dear wife. We might all consider having a look at these observations.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 23:34:08 (UTC)
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Carolyn,
Thanks for your post. However, I'd like to make you aware of a couple of items:- This message board is not a medium for free advertising, for members or for anyone else. If you have a Web site for your business you are welcome, like the many other members who have done so, to add its address to your Names Directory entry and let members (and anyone else) discover your business that way. You can also write as much as you want about your business in your entry.
- That basic rule of Internet etiquette (or "netiquette") stated, I am not against active members mentioning their businesses here if it is in context with what is being discussed on the message board at the time. I do not appreciate people joining this site just for the purpose of posting an advertisement on this message board, and have suspended members for doing so. While you didn't just join, this is the only message you have posted (to the best of my knowledge) since joining over a year ago.
I am willing to believe that you were not aware of this common Internet courtesy until now, so will leave it at that.
Chinyerezi Chintu, Trevor Burns, Chris Tyrer, and Malcolm Paterson,
I have received your e-mail messages, but will not be able to respond until I sort out my problem with sending e-mail. Please stand by and thanks for your patience.
Bill,
Strange that you did not receive my reply, as it did go out before my current problems with sending e-mail. All I said was thanks, and that I would get in touch with Bev Pullon. If you think that the Pullons may run out of copies soon, then I would certainly appreciate your securing a copy for me. Either way I will settle up with someone for the cost of the book and postage. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 23:14:35 (UTC)
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PLANNING A HOLIDAY - come "home"
Would love to hear from anyone planning to visit ?
I run my own small travel business - plan holidays anywhere in Africa - please contact me.
Can reach me on africaleisure@absamail.co.za or carol.mom@absamail.co.za
Look forward to hearing from you.
School in Broken Hill, moved to Bulawayo, then Salisbury - on to Johannesburg and Durban - and now happily in Cape Town!
Carolyn Mommsen (née Knocker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, Hout Bay, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 22:23:06 (UTC)
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PLANNING A HOLIDAY - come "home"
Would love to hear from anyone planning to visit ?
I run my own small travel business - plan holidays anywhere in Africa - please contact me.
Can reach me on africaleisure@absamail.co.za or carol.mom@absamail.co.za
Look forward to hearing from you.
School in Broken Hill, moved to Bulawayo, then Salisbury - on to Johannesburg and Durban - and now happily in Cape Town!
Carolyn Mommsen (née Knocker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, Hout Bay, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 22:23:05 (UTC)
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Craig
I did not get yr reply.
David Gray managed to secure a copy from the Pullons.
I have asked if they have more copies.
If they have I will try & secure one for you.
OK?
regards
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 20:37:55 (UTC)
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Bill,
Yes, I did receive your message about A Bush Telegraph and I did reply, before my problems with sending messages started. Did you not get my reply? I haven't contacted Bev yet due initially to a lack of time, but now because I can't send her e-mail until I fix my problem.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 20:07:51 (UTC)
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re: Bush Telegraph Book
Craig
Heather
Did you get my message?
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 19:54:02 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar........thanks for your entertaining posting, just love reading bygone antics of the GNRers......... :o)
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 17:41:54 (UTC)
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Message Board Format
Thank-you Ian, Barry Woodrow, Ali, Johnny and Peter for your comments on the format of the message board. I am happy to hear more opinions, either here or via e-mail.
My E-mail Problem
Because of the problems I am having with my e-mail at the moment, don't expect a reply from me right away if you send me e-mail or have sent me e-mail in the last couple of days. I can receive your messages fine, but can't send replies. Activation of new memberships is also on hold until I get the problem sorted out. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Colin,
Interesting story about Livingstone. Thanks for that.
Heather,
Thanks for your comment on the statue of Livingstone. But with respect to the Statue of Physical Energy, if the funa zonkes gave it to the bamba zonkes why do you now want it back? (I guess you wouldn't be funa zonkes if you didn't!) That's not very nice of you. We have a term for that in this part of the world.
Kevin,
I think Heather has been reminded of many things before, but she now claims that her e-mail programme is automatically deleting her e-mail before she has a chance to read it. Maybe that's why we have to keep reminding her of stuff.
Barry Robbins,
I highly recommend They Served Africa With Wings if you can get a copy from the next printing.
Johnny,
I'll be standing right behind Linda with my own 2x4! Jislaaike!
Chukky,
I'm running scared! The Headmaster and I just might be in cahoots, you know. ;)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 17:40:30 (UTC)
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Barry
Mine cost me US$ 35, but that did not include postage as Mitch delivered them to me in Lusaka when he was down from Malawi.
Heather
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 16:12:21 (UTC)
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Craig H,
After those 'petrol pump' remarks - report to Arthur's office.
CJ
PS Or Chukky's gonna git ya!
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 14:56:48 (UTC)
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Heather,
yes, I had a very swift response from Mitch this morning saying that the reprint is expected 'at the end of this year'. If anyone's interested in securing a copy send him an email (check out the link from Heather's earlier posting) and he'll drop you a line when they're ready...
regards
Barry
p.s. he still didn't mention how much it cost!
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 13:38:56 (UTC)
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The comments on senility, dotage reminded me of this friend from the past:
Going up!
First floor!
Knitwear nappery beachwear sportswear corsetry millinery ladies underwear - thank you!
We are the lift girls
in a big department store
we kindly take the patrons going up from floor to floor
don't wonder if we're weary of standing up all day
cos when the doors fly open it's our job to say
Second floor!
glassware ironware hardware brushware crockery cutlery
El Fandango Tea Room - thank you! Orange juice lemonade
arsenic rat poison thank you!
Going up
We are the lift girls
we're careful how we dress
I like my job but I'd very much rather have been an air hostess
but as I was always airsick and I couldn't pass the test
I stand here pushing buttons and the lift does all the rest
Third floor!
cosmetics perfume and cologne belts buttons teen and twen-ty dresses - thank you!
"Excuse me, can I find glasses on this floor?"
glassware ironware hardware brush ware cookery cutlery El Fandango Tea Room - second floor!
"Oh, are you perhaps going down?"
Going up!
Ag si's tog, Marlene, what a helluva job this is
the boss won't even give us time to go and have a zizz
and while we're on the job we can't even have a smoke
ag, I'm so tired, man, I'd give anything for a Coke.
Fourth floor!
Kiddies wear juvenile children and sub-teens teens twen-teens middle age old age senility dotage and decomposition
Funeral shrouds
Going up!
Don't lean on the buttons please don't lean on the doors
the car's full up now you'll have to walk to the other floors
hey, take your hands off me who do you think you are?
I may do a thousand feet a day but I'm not gonna go that far
Fifth floor!
radio department electrical appliances hairdressing salon
Friendly Sewing School - thank you!
Going up, sixth floor! Offices and accounts! Offices and accounts sixth floor going up!
Going down!
If only I had minute or two to sit down on my seat
I'm gonna sue this company for giving me flat feet
I've got fallen arches and lumbago in my back
and I suppose it won't be long now before I get the sack
Now if the lift gets stuck for an hour or two you really can't blame me
if I don't appear to sympathise with your anxiety
'cos I've seen enough of these four walls to last for many a day
and when the clock says half past five I'm overjoyed to say
Going home
Words & Music Jeremy Taylor © 1962 MPA
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 12:52:14 (UTC)
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Johnny, Johnny, Johnny!
How many times do I have to tell you to check the hoax website before you pass hoaxes on. I can see that I am going to have to exhume my dearly departed friend in red and have her come over there with her 2X4 to crack you in the skull.
Check out this website...again
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jesus-hoax.html
But I do still love you..
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 12:14:16 (UTC)
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Message board...
I like the current format the board is now....
I LOVE the photos - especially the new Zambia ones - and old memories people write about.
Being from the centre of the universe - Broken Hill - I also like the diversity of the opinions. I may or may not agree with everything expressed on the board but I find that occasionally I do learn from or agree with an opinion I was initially opposed to.
As for petrol pumps - I can remember seeing at least half a dozen from my seat in Boones bar!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 11:28:24 (UTC)
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I pass tis on in good faith I do not know whether it is BS or not.
If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say Jesus"
DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard drive.
This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous .
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:50:22 (UTC)
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Yes Barry, Craig et al, I agree it is ok as it is and does enable you to skip over the things that do not interest you. Yaga, Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:39:54 (UTC)
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Barry
You might have a problem getting the book as the last time I was in touch with Mitch (about two months ago) he said that he was waiting on a reprint. I can't remember the exact wording, but I got the impression they wouldn't be available until later this year. I am also waiting for a couple more copies.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:06:15 (UTC)
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Craig, Ian and Barry..I must say , I agree with you .......
Ali
Craig , glad to see I am not alone in the world re computers........ :O(
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 08:48:08 (UTC)
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Heather
many, many thanks for the interesting info on Ndola airport and the link to the book.
I have sent off an email to see if I can get hold of a copy. There wasn't a price for it on the website and as it's described as a 'limited edition, collector's piece, coffee table book' I suspect it will cost maningi Kwachas...
Regards
Barry
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 08:35:52 (UTC)
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Realizing the Promise and Potential of African Agriculture
Food for Africa????????????????????
http://www.interacademycouncil.net/report.asp?id=6959
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 07:39:22 (UTC)
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Ian ... and everyone else
My feelings as well, Ian. I must admit to limited experience of other boards, but it does seem to me that threaded boards make it difficult to get an overview.
The beauty of this current board is that I can skim over it, read in detail those parts in which I am interested, and skip the cr*p (no, I'm not pointing fingers anywhere near a certain mid-Pacific island group!).
As I see it, a threaded board will mean that I probably ignore several threads because they begin with subjects in which I'm not at all interested, but develop into broader issues and/or contain gems which I don't want to miss.
I think it would be an excellent idea if we could develop this "thread" (!!) further .... what is the general feeling amongst members?
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 06:55:33 (UTC)
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Heather
There is no slope on the runway at Ndola’s airport, it is the lack of a spirit level in your camera. You have been reminded of this before.
Nicky
Geoff was in the hostel at KGVI around 1962 /3. I can’t remember what became of him after that.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 06:55:23 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks for that. Can you confirm that they skipped Broken Hill because of the lack of a petrol pump there?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 06:21:57 (UTC)
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Ooops - what I wanted to say was that the info on Ndola Airport was extracted from 'They Served Africa With Wings'
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 05:45:37 (UTC)
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Barry Robbins
NDOLA AIRPORT
They Served Africa with Wings: 60 Years of Aviation in Central Africa
Work on Ndola Airport was done by 700 labourers who worked fo rnearly six months oving 25,000 tons of earth, much of it ant hills, some 20 ft high and 45 ft in diamater. This was around 1919 and the route from UK to Cape Town was declared open in December 1919.
The first aircraft to land at Ndola was on 29 February 1920. This was a converted Vickers Vinny bomber named Silver Queen, sponsored by the South African government. It had, on the previous day, landed at Abercorn (Mbala) becoming the first aircraft to land in the territory. It was not headed for Ndola, but for Broken Hill. However, because of engine problems, an 'emergency' landing had to be made at Ndola. But that was not the end - torrential rain and a waterlogged field kept it on the ground until 2 March. From there, it took off for Broken Hill, but the crew decided to push on to Livingstone where they landed that afternoon. But again, they had technical problems and it was not until 5 March that they were able to take off for Bulawayo. They landed safely at Bulawayo, but crashed the next day shortly after takeoff.
Craig
Sorry, forgot to answer your question yesterday about the Livingstone statue. I know nothing about us wanting it north of the Zambezi and last week when I was down in Livingstone, I met with Donald from NHCC and we were discussing something similar. Anyway, perhaps he didn't think he should discuss that issue with me.
We have also, for some time, been trying to get the Physical Energy statue back. This is the one that stood at the High Court traffic circle until just after Independence, when it was removed and sent down to Salisbury. From what I understand, it is now stored in the back yard of one of the museums there, but the Bamba Zonkes don't want to return it to us.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 05:41:45 (UTC)
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ArtieThe Livingstone map is delightful.....I had a good look at work yesterday and thought "how many more of these treasures will come to the surface"..........oh and the little fish eagle is that your Artie work or on the map......
keep up the good work re the scanning and posting...much appreciated
Ali.......
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 00:17:54 (UTC)
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Craig The story of David's statue's contested site has been getting big licks in the Scottish Press just now (even featuring in the tabloids (its the silly season with not much news)) The question is not where but why? Livingstone was the typical Victorian gloryseeker of his day, interested only in his own prestige; he treated his long suffering wife and family to an even greater excess of indifference than was common at the time. After the inconvenience of her almost dying a couple of times he lost his very limited patience and sent her and the kids back to Scotland penniless to exist on charity. To further endear himself to the Victorian Establishment he, being the first whiteman to view the Falls, renamed them as we know, Vicky. The final twist to the tale is that his eldest son David went to America to escape the grinding poverty of Scotland at that time and died along with many other Scottish boys of his age in the war between the North and the South, without his father ever getting in touch with him again. (Since leaving Africa) He lies buried, I believe, somewhere in Tenassee after one of the battles in that State, I can't remember where, its been so long since I heard the tale. Perhaps some of the ex-pats in America know where and the circumstances. Regards Colin.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 23:11:24 (UTC)
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Arthur,
I should clarify that my computer problems are local (i.e., the computer on my desk) and have nothing to do with the server.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 22:37:07 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Thanks for posting those. I will ignore your bamba zonke comments and answer your other question. I can't put a date on the map of Salisbury, but I am sure one of the more "experienced" members might be able to come up with something. The layout looks much as I remember it so, if anything, the contents of the index might be more useful in dating it.
Received your e-mail and ran a test from a third-party server and the mail went through, although I have also been thinking it was a slow day for mail. I am having my own computer problems here and can't send mail without Windows crashing, so that's why I haven't replied to your recent messages yet. I am on the verge of throwing my new computer out the window because I have been trying to figure out this problem since about this time yesterday and I am not happy right now.
Ian,
Will respond to your comment when I am in a better frame of mind!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 22:33:36 (UTC)
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Northerners !
More maps thanks to Carole Evans (née Bruce)
Mozambique - Circa 1970 - Automobile Association of Rhodesia
Again a large image file - 598kB
I'm adding this map to the GNR site because so many of us travelled through here in years gone by.
Same with the bamba zonkie capital city
Salisbury Map - Circa ? - The Salisbury and District Publicity Department
Image size - Map 430kB - Index 247kB
Typical of the bamba zonke psyche - note the lack of a colourful and vibrant map, instead all done in drab bank type efficiency and boring black, white and red. Yawn. Dunno what the latest maps look like now that they've even banned the colour red.
I also note that not one Livingstonian has reacted to the Livingstone Map since I posted it nearly 24 hours ago now. Pearls before swine. Hello are there any of you out there - or do the Broken Hillbillies actually outnumber you?
Craig
Can you put a date on the Salisbury map?
Thanks for all the work you do for us, was there a King Craig the Younger? You do far more work here than I'd ever do.
Look out for something arriving in your post box soon.
The petrol situation looks serious in Broken Hill ! Perhaps it was all just gas after all !
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 22:14:33 (UTC)
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Oops, I meant is NOT threaded!
Senility, decomposition and decay ... comes to us all eventually!
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 20:33:28 (UTC)
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Hi All
Threaded Message Boards
I consider that the success of this board is down to the fact that it IS threaded. It is so easy to spend a few moments scanning it to catch up. I recognise that there have been times when some discussions would have raised less hackles if they had been out on a thread but I reckon its a fair price to pay for sheer convenience.
So Craig, speaking for myself, give it a triple Z priority - what do others think?
Regards Ian
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 20:31:52 (UTC)
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In a recent posting I said that I had put the roof on the Mfuwe lodge that my brother Keith had built. Keith reminds me it was Luamfwa lodge not Mfuwe. Old age strikes again.
We arrived at Luamfwa with a load of roof timber on a scrap old truck after driving non-stop from Kitwe for about 35 hours. We were so overloaded that the truck was sloping to the rear. The timber kept on slipping back and falling off and we had to keep stopping to reload it. With just the 2 of us this was quite a slep and the splinters in our hands didn't improve our language.
When we finally arrived on the afternoon of the second day we were met by the colonial type husband and wife team who were to manage the lodge when it was completed. Keith introduced me and told them that I had come up for a week or so to supervise the roofing team. The pompous, toffee nosed cow of a wife made herself very popular with me by saying they didn't need more labour only more materials. What a greeting after our marathon trip! After informing her that she could kiss my fundamental orofice we sloped off to our chalets. I was not such a gentleman in those days! Who was?
At dinner she kept on rabbiting about some AG that was coming to visit. After listening to her raptuous, brown nosing gushings for a while I politely enquired just who is AG. She replied, H. E. dear boy, His Excellency the President. I was astonished because on the mines he was refered to somewhat differently, and I unfortunately passed some remarks that cannot be repeated on this family page.
The next day Keith drove off to Fort Jameson to collect a load of cement, while I started the roofing. As the carpenters started moving the timber a very angry snake jumped out and attacked us. In traditional Zambian fashion the workers soon stoned it to death and we proceeded with our job. The wife, who became hysterical when she saw this, rushed off to call her husband, who because of his position as lodge manager, was also the acting game ranger for the area. I was given a severe lecture that it was not allowed to kill anything, not even a snake in a game reserve.
Billy MacCluskey, who was also there working with Keith, was the next to get into kak. He accidently drove the company Holden bakkie into a flock of guinea fowl near Luamfwa, killing half a dozen. Instead of throwing them into the bush or giving them to his workers to eat, he stacked them in a neat pyramid and went back to Luamfwa to report. More kak hit the fan. We were all classified as hooligans by now, and pretty cheesed off. My undiplomatic remarks that they should concrete over the damn game park and build something usefull like steel mills and cement factories went down like a lead balloon!
At the end of the day I was very tired and went to bed at about 21.00 hours. The generator had been switched off so we were using candles. Keith had not returned from Fort Jimmy so I thought he had booked into a hotel in FJ.
Just as I entered my chalet I thought I heard a very faint hooting, but being very tired did not think much about it. The next morning Keith arrived at sparrow fart in a very bad mood. About half a mile from the camp an elephant had knocked down a tree across the road. They didn't know how far they were from the camp and were scared to get out of the truck because the Elephants were still hanging around. They hooted and hooted to try and call for assistance but no one came. They spent a uncomfortable night in the truck and at first light were astonished to find the lodge was in sight. Keith arrived in camp very cross demanding to know why nobody had responded to the hooting. When I told him that I thought I had heard a faint hooting he nearly lynched me.
We got the roof on in record time. What a pleasure it was reach the airstrip near Mfuwe and jump on the airconditioned plane and order an icecold Castle!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 19:02:40 (UTC)
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Petrol in Broken Hill
Johnny, I was just looking through messages earlier this month and I note that you referred to buying petrol in a place called Broken Hill. I have had a close look at the Gazetteer Road Map of the Federation (on the GNR maps page) and, according to the map's legend, there is no "petrol obtainable" in Broken Hill. Is it possible that the petrol pump was removed because there were no suitably experienced or trained (or trainable) operators to be found in the dorp?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 18:48:09 (UTC)
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Sigh, no Johnny, not a horse.
OK everyone here's what I know about Mishoro Monty the Maneater of Mbozi Hill. It all comes out of Diary of a District Officer by Kenneth Bradley.
Mishoro Monty was sort of a: "The Ghost and the Darkness" lion for Northern Rhodesia back in the early 1930's. His spoor was measured at 5 inches along the pad. The audthor trailed him when he was carrying the body of a full grown woman and he only put that body down to rest once in seven miles. He seemed surrounded by witchcraft. A white hunter trailed him to a riverbed followed the wet pug-marks still drying on a stepping stone and saw damp tracks in the dust on the other bank were footprints. Of course the Arricans were convinced he was a man who turned into a lion.
Monty knew when the carriers were on the move. he would lie by the path and take the last one in line. Even at noon. If you only had an axe he attacked, if you had a spear too he did not. For two years he never returned to the same spot to kill a second time.
Whole villages were routed, schools closed, lands left alone. Who would dare to walk to the store or ride with a bicycle.
And there is no end given to this marvellous story......
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 18:09:04 (UTC)
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Ali so I was right with my imagination of a flimsy little cover, but I forgot to include the thermal under wear in my phantasies what a teaser. Love Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 16:37:32 (UTC)
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Tina there is only you that could think up a relationship between a man eater and a horse and Moshoro to you to. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 16:28:23 (UTC)
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Rod Crowe, Andy Adams-Bull, Ben Mellin, Gracia Mlazie, Gail Merry, Bill Crane, Sam Shewmaker
Best wishes on your birthday
Johnny
You asked where Mfuwe is. Just the other day I read what the name was of the original village, but can't remember now what it is. But basically, it is the airport (international, runway able to handle 747's although not likely that they would be able to handle the passengers and baggage that well) which serves the Luangwa Valley. It is about 20 or 30 kms from the main park gate and links up with the Chipata (Fort Jameson)/Luangwa road.
Peter D
Many thanks - more postcards received in the post. Much appreciated, but I'm jealous as can be - would love to visit some of those places.
Bill Hunt
About two years ago, I borrowed the book 'A Bush Telegraph' from a friend and since then have been trying to get a copy for myself. If you manage to lay your hands on any, I would be most interested.
Hartley
Thanks for those photos of Lusaka. I am taking delivery tomorrow of a new camera, so might try it out by taking photos of the same places so that Lusakans can see what they look like now (Arthur, hopefully this one will have a built-in spirit level).
John Evans
Lusaka Hotel is on the corner of Cairo Road and Katondwe Street (I don't remember what its old name was). It was originally Counsell's Hotel and here are photographs of it in 1926 and 1982 (scanned from Richard Sampson's book, So This Was Lusaakas)
The Lusaka Hotel has had many ups and downs, but now seems to be on the up again. It has recently been taken over by a new company and completely refurbished.
Katondwe Street was infamous in the 80's as that was where one could find all the money changers.
Arthur
I also noted the application. I will arrange a conducted tour of the Mopani offices next time I am in Kitwe and, hopefully, also that tour of the mine which we didn't manage while you were here.
Barry Robbins
Will let you have some info on Ndola airport tomorrow, if I have time to look it up this evening. But what I do know is that the runway slopes downwards towards the airport building and there have, in the past, been a number of mishaps with the aircraft running into the building, although this hasn't happened for about twenty or thirty years.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 16:17:50 (UTC)
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Craig
Am sending an e-mail to Magda, Corrie's sister, to let her know about it so he can rectify the situation.
Weather - I have been, now what was it my Mum used to say - 'horses swet, men perspire and women do' (tis a rather ambiguous quote that one, wonder who thought it up) in 20 deg temps in Aberdeen for the last 12 days! Pretty damn good for this part of the world.
TTFN
Gill
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 14:04:58 (UTC)
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Johnny sadly for you Mishoro Monty is more like the full monty with a mane.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 12:42:23 (UTC)
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sorry to confuse you Johnny , but a Hootchie is a piece of cloth that is used as a little shelter....I did wear thermal underwear, thick Jumper and thick socks and boots, the boots of which I still have.......yes I slept with the boots on , because if not they would have frozen during the night, and putting tootsies (no not those Johnny!!) into them would have been very foolish.....
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 11:45:07 (UTC)
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Dear Tina Re your reqest about the Man Eater about how old was SHE?. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 11:41:27 (UTC)
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Dear Ali,Have you perhaps got a picture of your self in your FLIMSY LITTLE HOOTCHIES If so we would all be delighted to see it, of course I am speaking for the men. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 11:38:21 (UTC)
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Ali, Craig, et al.,
I wasn't complaining about the temperature but I was complaining about it happening in Perth. It's supposed to be a warm place!
I lived in Norway for 5 years and minus a helluva lot wasn't unusual but at least the country was built for the cold with triple glazing, underfloor heating, double doors to the outside, cars that plugged in to the mains at night to keep the engine oil runny, etc., etc. It did get to you though standing outside a night club at 3am. in a minus twenty something temperature in a 10 knot "breeze" waiting forever for a taxi.
Australians think we have a mediterranean climate here and with single glazing, gaps around most single glazed windows and most doors, we don't have a chance in winter. Minus 1 outside equals just about minus 1 inside. In Norway if it was minus 20 outside it was probably plus 23 indoors.
I didn't mention all the guys in shorts at 8am. today. There they were on the building sites in stubby shorts doing their rigging, digging, brick-laying, fork lifting, crane operating and so on. Even some of the bike couriers were in shorts. I'm pleased my profession demands that I wear long trousers - well in winter anyway!
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 10:29:22 (UTC)
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Re David Hoyle's comments about Zambia Airways services to Kitwe, as mentioned in a previous post of mine, in the mid 70's I flew in to a Kitwe grass airfield en route from Lusaka to Ndola in a Hawker Siddeley 748(reasonably comfortable and not really '...bare metal and canvas seats...').
However, I don't think it was a scheduled stop off. No passengers joined or disembarked there - only several crates of noisy young chicks (the feathered variety). These had been stacked in the rear toilet compartment and were offloaded pretty quickly before we took off again for Ndola. I've always wondered whether this diversion was done simply as a favour for someone, perhaps a farmer friend of the Captain!
Also, continuing the aviation theme, I've noticed there have been some references to the glorious VC10 which was operating beweeen the UK and Zambia. I have a treasured BOAC 'Junior Jet Club' log book which records my first ever flight in 1967 (on aircraft G-ARVF) - and the route was NDOLA - LONDON direct. After doing some digging around on the net and finding a super site dedicated to the VC10, I came across an interesting fact about the VC10 operating out of Ndola.
It said: "... the bearing strength of the paved runway at Ndola was not sufficient to take the weight of the aircraft. This problem was solved by reducing the tire pressure and thereby widening the aircraft's 'footprint'!"
hmmm.
It also went on to describe problems at another African airport (where we stopped off on another later UK Trip):
"...also on the BOAC route structure was Entebbe Airport, situated right next to Lake Victoria. Knowledge of the local flying conditions was absolutely necessary when taking off from Entebbe as the aircraft would fly directly over the lake, where the air temperature was usually far higher than that at the airport. The result of this was a proportional drop in performance for the aircraft and engines causing the aircraft to 'wallow'. Close calls have been recorded and one 707 freighter was seen leaving a wake across the lake."
Back to Ndola airport, does anyone know much about the history of the airport? I am sure I heard or read somewhere that it was one of the very earliest airports in Africa being established as one of those on the first colonial proving routes down to South Africa. Being on the plateau of the Copperbelt was apparently quite advantageous. Does anyone know anymore?
Regards
Barry
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 09:46:49 (UTC)
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Alastair,
By the way, thanks for that. I'll reply to you via e-mail when I figure out where all of my e-mail has gone!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 08:36:23 (UTC)
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Keith,
Thanks for your kind comments.
Your suggestion to load the message board "right way 'round" rather than "up-side down" is not a new one, I'm afraid. There are a number of reasons for doing it this way; probably the two biggest ones that come to mind are that it is an informal standard on the Web and, from a more practical perspective, it allows people with slower connections to load only as much of the board as they feel is necessary to read just what has been added since they last read the board.
Either way, this message board's days are numbered, as there will be a threaded message board in place here when we get the time to set it up properly. Please, don't hold your breath. :)
As for 1°C weather and Ali's roughing it in -5°C; gimme a break! I finally had the "privilege" of experiencing almost -30°C (actually -28°C, but who's counting?) in January and, despite what Canadians say about the difference between a "dry" cold and a "wet" cold ("dry" is supposed to be much more pleasant), they can have their dry cold any day! However, I am sure that my experience in -28°C pales in comparison to what Yukon Pete has experienced.
Zambia wants Zimbabwe's Statue of Livingstone
An article entitled "Diplomatic tussle over Scot's statue" from "The Scotsman" has just been brought to my attention by Alastair Honeybun. It would seem that Zambia wants Zimbabwe to give them the statue of Livingstone that stands on the Zimbabwe side of the border between Zimbabwe and Zambia at Victoria Falls. Strangely, Zimbabwe actually wants to keep something that is linked to its colonial past. Seems to me that there's nothing that special about the statue and Zambia should just build their own.
Any comment, Heather?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 08:33:37 (UTC)
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Keith...............what brass monkeys?? Perth doesn't know what cold is ;O)
I have camped out in - 5 degs c in flimsy little hootchies in NZ ..........now that is a bit colder than 1 degs.......I have never seen a frost in the 18 years I have been here...Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 07:25:23 (UTC)
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A last sleepy thought:
Does anyone know anything about Mishoro Monty the Maneater of Mbozi Hill?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 05:19:25 (UTC)
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Keith
All you poor Ppppperthites. Brrrrrrrrrr!
Actually we had a cold front come through Northern Texas. It's midnight and 68F/20C degrees or in the middle of July when it is usually 100F/40ishC . It's just too great. I'm dragging out the rollaway bed and sleeping on the back stoep, I mean back porch where I can see the stars.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 05:09:49 (UTC)
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Sorry Craig,
I meant postings, not e-mails.
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 03:00:28 (UTC)
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Craig,
It is evident that you do a huge amount of work to keep the GNR site and notice board running smoothly and efficiently. Your e-mails over the weekend have high-lighted what a lot of issues you have to cover.
Every Monday I spend half an hour or so reading all the notices posted over the weekend. The problem is that they are in reverse order if you scroll down. How about this for a suggestion? Can you arrange the messages in reverse order so that as you scroll down they appear in chronological order? It would be much more user friendly! Forget about all the archived months which can stay as they are. Well, I shall duck for cover as you clearly spend so much of your own time sorting out the major issues on the site and don’t need bright ideas like this.
Keep up the good work.
By the way it was 1 degree C in Perth again this morning which is not at all pleasant in this “Mediterranean” city. You should have seen the brass monkeys walking down St George’s Terrace. However, there was not a cloud in the bright blue sky.
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:40:51 (UTC)
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Doug,
Agreed, which is a large part of the reason they are still pending. Fortunately there are three of us reviewing these applications, and at least one of us is likely to catch something the others miss.
Peter,
Ag shame man about no J class HNL-YVR, but glad to hear Gerry came through for you YVR-YYZ.
Carole,
Thanks again! Love that brochure. Interesting to note that there is still a "Flight of Angels" over the Falls.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 02:28:23 (UTC)
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Craig...
Unable to bribe my way into business class Honolulu - Vancouver - those Hawaiians have too much integrity no matter how much honey...
However in Vancouver my Vancouver - Toronto business class boarding pass from Gerry was waiting at the gate,,,
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 00:36:20 (UTC)
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Northerners !
Livingstone - 1970 Tourist Map
Zambia Government - Lusaka & the Zambia National Tourist Bureau
Courtesy of Carole Evans (née Bruce)
Image size - 523kB
And a brochure - Rhodesia United Air carriers
Note the prices....
Carole - thanks once again - on behalf of us all
More stuff later..
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 23:36:52 (UTC)
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and I just heard from Anne Teak , Laura Biden , Barbara Seville and Lauren Order right after I posted the last message ...... sheesh , no peace
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 22:06:35 (UTC)
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Craig ..... Bijoy George and Henry Pickldywink look a trifle suspect to me .....
and let me know if you hear from any of the following :
Mia Culpa
Jean Poole
Nina Clark and Alice Well
Natalie Attyred
Doris Schutt
..... shady ladies ...
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 22:01:04 (UTC)
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IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING GNR MEMBERSHIP POLICIES
Unresolved Issues
I receive GNR-related e-mail every day. Sometimes I reply in seconds, sometimes it can take me several days or more than a week, depending on my work load, schedule, complexity of the issue, and (sometimes) access to the Internet. Usually, of course, two-way communication takes place, issues are resolved, questions are answered, feedback is received and everyone goes away content.
However, the following issues remain unresolved for the reasons given, usually because of a problem communicating via e-mail -- which is why I am posting these issues here on the message board. If you'd care to read my diatribe about how and why some issues can remain unresolved for so long and how I generally deal with unresolved issues, I have put that near the end of this message, just before the note about the GNR birthday list.
Trevor Burns (Profile)
You have contacted me several times. However, my replies to you are returned by your e-mail service provider with the following message:<YOUR_ADDRESS_DELETED @ gawab.com>:
Connected to 204.97.230.38 but greeting failed.
Remote host said: 558 Your network address is blacklisted, this means that your network range or your server is in our blacklist. If you think you were added by mistake, please send us just an empty email from your blocked email address to blocked @ gawab.biz and we will investigate this issue and remove your domain from our blacklist immediately if we found no spam reports associated with your SMTP IP. If you have an email account within our service and getting this message while trying to send from our SMTP service , please make sure your outgoing server is smtp.gawab.com (#5.7.1) There is no reason for greatnorthroad.org to be blocked and we are not blocked by anyone else on the Internet to the best of my knowledge. It would seem that either you need to communicate with your e-mail service provider to have them remove us from their blacklist or set up an e-mail address with a different provider who is not blocking us.
If you are Trevor Burns, please contact me about this issue if necessary.
Lesley Dalton (Profile)
You have contacted me eight times over the last 14 months or so, but have never replied to any of my messages to you. Either my messages to you are going astray, your replies to me are going astray, or you are not replying to my messages. Until I receive a reply from you with the answers to my questions, I cannot help you.
If you are Lesley Dalton, please contact me about this issue if necessary.
Grant Knowles (Profile)
We spoke at the Livingstone Lark and I sent you e-mail as promised, but I never heard back from you.
If you are Grant Knowles, please contact me about this issue if necessary.
Ian MacArthur (Profile)
You have contacted me several times with your new e-mail address, but each time the address you give me does not work because there are "illegal" characters in the address such as spaces (an e-mail address cannot contain spaces) and/or it's missing such vital items such as the TLD (e.g., .com, .net, .org, .co.uk, .ca, etc.). Since the addresses you give me do not work, I cannot reply to your messages.
If you are Ian MacArthur, please contact me about this issue if necessary.
Other Members
There may be other members who have outstanding issues with their GNR memberships who are not listed here. If you feel that you have an issue that has not been addressed adequately or that you have not yet asked me to address, please contact me.
Problem Applications
Occasionally a pending application to join the GNR is not activated after the usual minimum 48-hour waiting period. There could be any number of reasons for this, but the most common ones include:- The e-mail address used by the applicant does not work.
- According to the information provided by the applicant, they never lived in Northern Rhodesia or Zambia. (There are a few confused bamba zonkies out there!)
- The IP address from which the applicant applied is not in the same country where they state that they live.
- Other information provided does not make sense for one reason or another.
Usually we will reply to the applicant (assuming the reason is not that the e-mail address he or she provided does not work) and ask him or her to clear up any confusion on our part. Usually the person replies and their membership is activated. Sometimes we hear nothing, and the application sits as "pending" for months.
From now on a problem application that is pending for longer than six months will be deleted outright and the prospective member will need to re-apply after that time. Also, when I do some major updates in the next few weeks, problem applications will be listed separately in the Names Directory and the entries that are listed as "pending" will only be those that are pending review by site management during the 48-hour waiting period. Applications that have no problems will be moved from the pending list to the list of new members or to the future list of problem applications. The names in the list of problem applications will be linked to individual pages explaining the problem with each application.
The following problem applications currently exist:The following problem applications were deleted some time ago because they were older than six months or they were duplicate entries. If you are listed here, you will need to re-apply or edit your existing entry:- Ken Alcraft
- Tony Bilbrough
- Graham Bone
- Ian Bosonnet
- Wezi Chekwe
- Boniface Chileshe
- Allan Chisholm
- Joseph Conlin
- Josephine Crouch
- Patricia Dean
- Folly Dede
- James Douglas
- Ken Farley
- John Gandaray
- Alwyn Gush
- Phyllis Hollis
- Frances Linforth
- Gijsbert Manders
- Benny Mwale
- Casey Myburg
- Judy Pfuhl
- Henry Pickldywink
- Scott Ramsay
- Mike Stone
- Susan Trivella
- Dave Webber
- Chris Whelan
- Nick Whittome
- Anthony Wienand
(I actually composed this message and created this list a few months ago, so others have been deleted since then. However, some on this list were pending for a year or more.)
Why some Issues Remain Unresolved for so Long
Over a course of several months and even as long as a year or more, several issues have remained unresolved because the people in question have failed to establish two-way communication with me. If you're familiar with operating a two-way radio you know what I mean; station A calls up station B and, if station B responds, two-way communication is established. Sometimes I am station A, but station B never responds to my e-mail. Sometimes I am station B, but station A goes off the air after their initial transmission and never replies to my e-mail to them.
Now, normally I just let things like this die. My philosophy is that I don't have enough head space to keep track of people from whom I am waiting for e-mail, so if they respond and the issue is in my face, they get my attention. If they don't respond then either they don't want to, the issue has somehow resolved itself, or e-mail has gone missing. The first two cases are fine, but there's not a lot I can do about the last case as there is no way for me to know that a message has gone missing; after all, it wouldn't be missing if I knew where it was!
Unfortunately, as I intimated in a message I posted in January (if I remember correctly) some issues keep coming back but never get resolved. In these cases the people involved keep contacting me about the same issue, I keep replying, but then they never get back to me. Then several weeks or months later they contact me about the same issue as if it was a new issue that they had never brought up before or (even worse) they chastise me (either directly, or indirectly through the tone of their message) for not resolving the issue earlier. In one case with one member this has been going on for over a year now and the same issue has been brought up eight times. However, each time the member in question never replies to my e-mail, therefore the issue remains unresolved to this day!
So, the above list of outstanding issues is provided in the hope that the people involved will find this, read the information, and contact me if necessary. At this point I have done everything in my power to provide, for want of a better phrase, customer service to these people on these issues. If the issues remain unresolved and the members unhappy from this point on, then it's certainly not through lack of effort on the part of GNR management.
The GNR Birthday List
There have been a couple of enquiries about this in recent months, enough that I want to explain the issue here. The birthday announcements that are posted here on the message board are also sent by e-mail to the individual members celebrating their birthdays, and this job is done manually by Heather. It is not an automated process, so Heather actually puts time, effort and thought into it. This means that when she is not in town, birthday messages are usually not posted or sent. This leads to some people wondering why they were missed, so maybe we should automate the process.
Another reason people might feel that they were missed is because birthday messages are only posted for and sent to people who have answered "Yes" to the question of whether or not they want to be on the GNR mailing list. So, if you have chosen not to be on our mailing list (which we hardly ever use at this point), then your birthday is not noted on the message board and Heather does not send you a birthday e-mail. This is in keeping with what we believe your privacy preferences to be. In the future we hope to allow you finer control over what contact you want with and from the GNR, but at this point we only have the one "mailing list" option.
If you're feeling a little left out, all you need to do is log in to edit your Names Directory entry and answer "Yes" to the "Mailing list" question under "Contact Information".
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 19:57:47 (UTC)
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Craig:
Thanks for the link to Dave Housden. I have been in contact with him and should get my money back soon...grin.
Doug Gifford:
Thanks for alternate email for Dave. I will add that too. There's no hiding place when you owe me money..
No seriously, I agree with Craig's posting about keeping emails updated on the GNR. There are so many of us, and we don't always keep in very regular contact, and yet it is disconcerting when you want to touch base and you end up in lala land because you don't have the most current address.
Infact, for those who need my updated email, it is: itwasntmewhostoleyourblokeATfibbersanonymous.net
Oh, alright... I'm just kidding...grin.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 19:46:54 (UTC)
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A thought about keeping the e-mail address in your Names Directory entry current
Occasionally I receive messages from non-members (like the one I just posted below) who want to contact a member for one reason or another. I deal with all of these on an individual basis and I never give the non-member the e-mail address of the member they want to contact. Instead, my normal procedure is to forward the message from the non-member to the member and leave it up to the member to make the decision whether or not he or she wants to contact the non-member. I probably get, on average, several such requests every month.
Anyway, the point of this message is to say that, if you don't keep the e-mail address in your Names Directory current, you could miss one of these messages and so miss making contact with someone you are looking for. I am probably preaching to the choir by posting this message here, but I thought I would do so anyway.
To update your e-mail address, please don't post a message here saying, "My new e-mail address is...", and please don't copy me on a message you send to 300 of your closest friends telling me of your new e-mail address. There is a system by which you can update the e-mail address in your entry, and it involves logging in to update your information.
Thanks for keeping this in mind.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 18:25:15 (UTC)
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LM Radio
The following message is posted on behalf of non-member Chris Turner. Please contact him/her directly as described below if you can help him/her. Thanks.
I am busy writing a history of LM Radio and would appreciate input or essays from anyone who was a fan of the station. I am also collecting memorabilia (or good reproductions) for use in my book. In particular, photos, press cuttings, articles, newspaper and magazine adverts etc. I would also like to know the whereabouts of anyone who was involved with the station and what they are doing now.
Contact: Chris Turner, cggt@fsmail.net.
If you can help Chris, please contact him/her directly at cggt@fsmail.net. Thanks very much.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 17:53:51 (UTC)
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Hi Craig,
Thanks for helping me with the link! I appreciate it. I now have made another contact with an old friend! I love this site!
Helen
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 16:44:13 (UTC)
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Very Sarky Arthur,
I was a very innocent young thing then and nary a drop passed my lips. My, how things change!
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 15:52:20 (UTC)
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Hi this is new to me, but I would really like to know the whereabouts of John Stuart, ex Ndola in the 60's tall guy 6'4 worked for the layout and printing of the local paper thanks Sandy
Sandy White (née Greasley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wallingford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 07:19:26 (UTC)
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Gill
Re Corrie, The last I heard from him, he was in Wales, that would have been about 4-5 months ago.
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 01:23:23 (UTC)
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Craig
Talk about pipped at the post. The crucial try was scored in the closing seconds of the game. But there is no doubt, the Boks are back. Next Saturday they play the Aussies.
Frank
Hlobane and Coronation mines come to mind but they are all closed down now. You made a wise move to go to the Copperbelt mines. Coal mines are yugh!
I was watching a documentary on Discovery channel about the deepest gold mine in the world. It is in RSA of course. It was nearly 7 km deep. What was surprising was that they also had trouble with pockets of explosive methane gas just like in a coal mine. Of course they also had rock burst caused by the terrific pressures at those depths. This is where showers of rock explode away from the sidewalls without warning just as if they have been blasted by explosive. If you are in the way you get killed or badly injured.
On the Copperbelt things were much safer but we still had problems such as mud rushes etc.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 19:12:06 (UTC)
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Hartley - thanks for info on Darryl Higgins. He may have passed on but he was an unforgettable young man in many ways and there'll never be another one quite like him. He was a true natural athlete and excelled at every sport. He was always ready to play a game of rugger, swim at a gala, run a race, whatever . . . . . and he had a habit of beating the hell out of guys like myself who had trained for hours.
I was a good friend of Darryl's, but not one of his "best mates" simply cause he was always in trouble! He and Micky van der Walt (the latter whose Dad was the "projectionist" at the Rhokana Theatre) were constantly living on the edge. The two were incorrigible and were always either at the centre of the "mischief" or in someway, directly connected to it. Many a story surrounds the Rhokana Theatre projection room; the little hut on the other side of the wall in the cricket park next to the swimming pool; the slimes dam at the far end of Kantanta Street, the Mens' single quarters near the mine mess . . . . . all to do with the two of them teaching willing young girls the difference between "snacking" and having a "real meal".
Darryl had a treacherous old Norton Dominator black motorcycle which he built up from a wreck and which worshipped. How the hell he didn't kill himself at the age of 16 beats me! Late one Friday night he and I decided to go to the Muf Mine club to "check out the mouse situation". Darryl was on his Dommie and I was on my BSA 350CC B32 single. My top speed was somewhere between 60 and 65 MPH and of course, for Darryl, 80 MPH plus on his Dommie was considered normal. If anyone knows the Muf road, there's a turn-off on the way to Muf from Kitwe and a mile or two after the turn off is a long, long slope down a hill and then the road continues back up the hill on the other side. By the time we reached the turn off, Darryl was already a half mile ahead and in the pitch dark, with my lousy headlight ("Lucas" headlight - "The Prince of Darkness" as we called Lucas) I could see Darryl just starting to go up the other side while stupidly switching his lights on and off, on and off, repeatedly.
Thinking he'd seen a cop, or was in trouble, or something I dropped down a gear to 40MPH and as I hit the dip, looked up the hill ahead of me and it was then that my crappy headlight picked up train carriages moving from right to left. Yes, at the intervals between the carriages one could see Darryl's tail light . . . . he hadn't been switching them on and off . . . . . the (expletive deleted) train carriages were making it appear that way! I froze, locked up both brakes in my panic and skidded towards the train carriage in front of me . . . . needless to say, the Gods were looking down on me in my favour that evening and I'm still here to tell the tale.
After the train passed, me still with my heart in my throat, drove over the tracks and met with Darryl who was waiting for me. "S---," said Darryl, "I almost hit the (expletive deleted) train!". He hadn't seen it either but had managed to cross the rails ahead of it just in time. We then pretended it wasn't such a big deal and off we went, back on our way to to the Muf club as if nothing had happened.
So, Hartley, the years have passed by and Darryl has ventured on to pastures as green as there ever were in Northern Rhodesia.
He was a great guy.
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 19:00:23 (UTC)
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Doug,
Ag shame hey! Sorry, but I had to laugh at you reversal of fortune from one message to the next in less than an hour. :)
Linda,
You are correct, Gordon is the only member currently resident in Malawi.
David Housden would appear to have a working e-mail address, so you can try contacting him through his Names Directory entry. If you do and you don't hear back from him, check to see if he has since been added to the list of entries with bad e-mail addresses.
Gill,
Corrie has actually been a member for the last eight months, but his e-mail address has stopped working. If you do manage to get in touch with him somehow, please ask him to update his Names Directory entry with his new e-mail address. Thanks.
Helen,
You can contact Satish by clicking on the link.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 18:33:52 (UTC)
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Hi Satish Bhaga!
I understand you have just joined the GNR! I don't see your name on the new entries so I can't contact you directly.
Anyway, I know your sisters Harsha and Bhavini!! I was in the same class as Harsha and therefore would like to get in touch with her. Please could you give me her contact information.
Thanks!
Warmly,
Helen
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 17:44:36 (UTC)
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Kevin
Yes it is the very same Geoffrey White with scar and all.
He used to tell also us, that a dog bit him. Where did you know him from?
Craig
Good lad, take your time, we know you are busy. It will be good to see all the old faces again on the GNR.
PS you know what I mean by old, hey? just incase anyone jumps down my throat. Ha! Ha!
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 17:42:23 (UTC)
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Craig or Artie:
Can you tell me if David Housden has updated his contact info? I got an email from him quite a while back but now that email address is no longer valid. Thanks.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 16:15:09 (UTC)
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Gill:
I'm trying to send you these photos of Viv and Barb but I have two email addresses for you. Please email me so I know which one is the correct one.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 16:13:56 (UTC)
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Corrie Van Staden
Howzit, forgot to welcome you to the Board - something had been niggling at the back of my brain about the GNR but it was only when I was mulling through my in-box just now and saw Magda's name that I realized what it was.
Did you ever get hold of Terry Van Heerden? If not, have Sonja's telephone number in SA. She almost died of fright when I phoned her, out of the blue. Mind you it had been 28 years since I had last spoken to her.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 15:53:17 (UTC)
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Lindy
Just tell me where and when and I'll be there, am sure all the other "Scotties" will be too. All you have to do is offer to buy a round of drinks and 'Bob's your uncle', they will emerge from the woodwork like a swarm of locusts - only kidding about the drink.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 15:33:38 (UTC)
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Many thanks to Mike Fancourt and the GNR, we have now made contact after about 30 years with our old friends from Zambia and RSA.
We all lived and associated together in Orkney SA, then a few decided to move, our first venture was to a coal mine in Vryheid, can't remember the name (maybe Doug Grewar would know?) anyway all I remember is that we would have been housed in a house that was positioned at the bottom of a valley; in a smog of coal dust, and that the pecking order was that; as you progressed in your job you could then move further up the hill into clearer air. so we decided to try our luck on the Zambian copperbelt.
Its been fantastic filling in the gaps, but sad that some of our old friends have now passed on.
Regards to you all
Frank & Ethel
Frank Prior [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oldham, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 14:51:38 (UTC)
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Gordon Sheppard:
Welcome to the GNR. I think you may be the first person from Malawi that has joined us, if I am not mistaken.
Gill:
I'm off to fight exercise machines for an hour and will email you the photos later on. It's in the cards that I may be in Scotland towards the end of this year. Let's get a group together for a drink or 10. Details later.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 14:06:19 (UTC)
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Lindy
Thanks once again for the very quick response and am really looking forward to seeing the photies. Phoned Debs on her mobile to let her know ...... forgot to say she was off to the Sunderland air show yesterday (oh the joys of ageing) but will be back on Tuesday morning.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 10:11:43 (UTC)
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Aikona! We wus robbed by the only AB try in the last minute of the game! ABs 24 - Boks 21. I bet the guy who scored that will get free beers anywhere in NZ for the next year.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 09:28:59 (UTC)
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Boet, who says Kiwi's can't fly? With a good kick from a Bok they can. Half time Boks 21 - All Blacks 12. Yabadabadoo! After 7 All Black wins it looks as though the Boks have a good chance. It's going to be a nerve wracking 2nd half!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 08:33:25 (UTC)
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Heather, Glen..Thank you very much......I will try both remedies and hopefully I won't have to put up with those nasties anymore....
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 03:22:33 (UTC)
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Harshad,
Great pictures, I almost killed myself laughing.
Yunus Badat [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 23:07:06 (UTC)
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Hello Jon,
I remember the slave tree very well, it is situated in the second class trading area. I also remember the Monkey Fountain Zoo and used to go there very often.
Does anyone else have any more pictures of Ndola?
Yunus Badat [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 23:02:28 (UTC)
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I would love to hear from friends of my mum, Elsie Fraser Munn, from the Copperbelt or Bulawayo.
Elspeth Jack (née Fraser Munn) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 22:47:25 (UTC)
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Sorry I missed out the word NOT.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 22:12:35 (UTC)
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Hi All
There is a Horizon article on gliding, specifically at the Copperbelt Gliding Club based at Kitwe at this address:
http://nrzam.org.uk/Aviation/aviation.html
Regards Ian
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 21:48:37 (UTC)
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Glen
Your mention of Darryl Higgins is really coincidental as I am scanning my slides at the moment and have come across a number of shots taken in Mauritius on one of the holidays that Darryl, Wendy, Sue and I went on.
After leaving the copperbelt Darryl and Wendy moved to Lusaka where we met then and became close friends. This was during the period when Darryl was hunting with Zambia Safaris and Wendy worked with me at E.W.Tarry.
The four of us decided that we were leaving Zambia at about the same time in early 1978, Darryl and Wendy were going south and we were coming over to the UK. We actually held a joint party at our house, what a night.
Although I have lost contact I understand that Darryl went back to hunting in Zambia where he contracted cerebral malaria and sadly died. The last I heard Wendy had moved back to Zambia and remarried. Perhaps Heather will know as I would love to get in touch.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 21:09:27 (UTC)
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Bill I remember a rhino that dared to trot around the streets of that place that we used to call in for petrol I think it was called Broken Hill, needless to say it did live long enough to visit Boons Bar as it recieved several bullets to its unsupecting head from the NRP, I would think that Charles will rememer the incident and fill us in wih the details as I was in Chingola at the time.
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 19:50:09 (UTC)
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The Bundu
The early town planners of almost all Northern Rhodesian towns strived to maintain the 'bush camp' character in their layouts.
All roads & avenues ran parallel to each other & invariably there was a wide perimeter road that created a border between the village & the dense, lush bundu or shlateen.
As a youngster I spent many happy hours with my mates across such a road, in the bush, playing war games or hunting.
Many times during the heat of the game we would suddenly realise that we were lost, & the bravado of the fearless young white hunters would evaporate instantly.
After wondering around in panic stricken circles arguing amongst ourselves as to who was to blame for the fine mess we were in , the sound of a barking dog or car engine invariably helped us to find our way quietly & sheepishly back home.
The proximity of the thick bush also accounted for incidences where wild animals ventured into the town in search of food or to escape a pedator.
Quite often this happened during daytime & township activities came to a complete standstill as a baying mob, comprising everybody's garden & house servant, chased the hapless, confused animal through yards around & through the town.
Inevitably to be cornered by the mob & torn to pieces.
Not a pretty story, but such is Africa, raw red meat was always the flavour of any day .
Is this why we enjoy our Barbies & Braais?
Enough to make one convert to vegetarianism!
How many GNRs know stories of bigger more dangerous animals wanting to join in the good life of the town dwellers?
I know a few, but I will not hog 'the Road' now!
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 18:59:34 (UTC)
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To All GNR folk that were pulling for "The Pullons" with your postings, thanks.
Seems we have located them!
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 18:32:51 (UTC)
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re: Eric Pullon
Craigh
Charles
Have located Pullon Family.
They now live in Vrystaat!!
Details sent direct to you.
regards Bill
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 18:20:15 (UTC)
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"Kitwe Airport"
During 1975 and 1976 there were ZA flights from Kitwe to Lusaka. Although the plane wasn't military it may well have been, no fancy furnishings or carpets just bare metal and canvas seats on frames that were bolted to the floor.
Passengers were always hopeful that there would be no delay to the afternoon departure time from Lusaka as any flights arriving in the Copperbelt area after dusk would land at Ndola and passengers were transported to Kitwe by bus. This added another hour or so to the delayed homecoming.
The reason:-
" Kitwe Airport" did not have any runway lights for night landings.
Now to something completely different, with apologies to Monty Python and before you get the chance to say it;
Mike Fancourt of BH
" Bus, transported by bus, luxury, we used to dream of travelling on a bus. Our father used to make us run, at the double, every day, 6 days a week from Ndola to Kabwe to work for a 10 hour shift on the mine. Bus, you were lucky".
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 16:01:44 (UTC)
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Ali - I did a "cut and paste" . . . . . . panty . . . . interesting . . . . .
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 15:06:17 (UTC)
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Ali - courtesy of www.baking911.com :
Flour Weevils: Bay leaves keep bugs away and the flour will not take on the flavor. I do purchase bulk bay leaves at a local bulk store and place bay leaves in and around the canister that holds the flour, pasta or rice. I have read that people scatter the leaves in the back of the panty as well.
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 15:04:38 (UTC)
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Kitwe Flying Club - yup, good and bad memories.
The haunt of Darryl Higgins and Bobby Jones in the late 50's where they engaged in sky-diving to impress the ladies. For those who worked underground and showered after shift with Darryl, let me tell you, he had a lot more than sky diving as a qualification to impress the ladies! But that's more than you need to know . . . . .
On one Sunday afternoon at the Flying Club, and I'm guessing, 1962, a glider decided to impress the crowd by doing a "loop-dee-loop" in front of the crowd. We were all watching when he almost reached the apex of the loop at about 500' and one of the wings broke off. The glider dropped like a brick and smashed into pieces as he hit the ground. The largest piece left of the plane was the poor chappy still strapped into his seat. The injuries he sustained turned out to be fatal. I tried as best I could by giving him CPR in the ambulance but he died on the way to Nkana mines hospital. Very sad day . . . . can't remember his name.
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 14:38:42 (UTC)
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Ali
To get rid of weevils, your flour (or whatever) should be kept in the freezer for a minimum of 24 hours every month. Storing stuff like that in stainless steel containers also helps.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 14:15:06 (UTC)
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I am after any old remedy to get rid of weevils........is there anyone on the GNR that can help me.........over here it is a common occurence to find them in flour etc.........we have been feeding Jade's siamese fighting fish the larvae, but he even is starting to leave them.....
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 13:42:14 (UTC)
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CHRIS/CHARLES/BILL
There were a family of Pullens that lived opposite my grandfather in Stanley Ave. They had two boys and I am sure that one of them was called Michael. I wondered if these were the folk ( or relatives of) that you were referring to. Nan Staples (a music teacher) and the Constantinedes family also lived down that road.......just in case any of you remember them as well.
Anona Balloch [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 13:24:05 (UTC)
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Gill:
Barbara Raubenheimer wanted me to get a contact address for Debbie Radford from you, please. She also said to tell you if you don't realise or remember who she is, her maiden name is Maynard and she knows you too. Viv asked to be remembered to you as well. I have recently received some photos from them, so I will send them by email to you.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 12:46:36 (UTC)
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Arthur,
We lived in Maybin Road, Lusaka, which was adjacent to the airport and the glide path in.
When the VC10 came in the glass panes in the louvre windows rattled like mad. When it got to the far end of the runway (about 3 or 4 miles away) and put the engines into reverse thrust... Conversation was limited to a lot of shouting. Yes it was loud!
John Evans (slightly deaf from a young age)
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 12:40:09 (UTC)
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Stew Watt,
Mma and Rra are indeed the titles given to men and women in Botswana I worked there for several years and can tell you that they are pronounced Maa and Raa or Mah and Rah, as to wether or not they are abreviations or simply the Tswana words I do not know, but I have many friends who still live and work in Botswana with whom I am in E-mail contact some of them are very involved in the local culture so I will put it to them on your behalf, if I get any results I will let you know.
Frank.
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 12:25:22 (UTC)
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Kevin Shone
Sorry to hear about Robin Kinnear passing away. I played in several Ndola / Kitwe based rock bands with him in the mid and late 70's. An excellent musician and one of the most interesting people I've met. Sue also remembers him. Please pass our condolences to his family.
Kitwe Airports
The airfield behind the Showgrounds was the Kitwe Flying Club. The access road was between the Showgrounds and the adjacent township (Wusikili, I think). I don't think it was ever used for commercial flights.The club was the venue for many a wild session and I played their with several different bands in the 70's.
I also remember several very boozy farewells at Southdowns Airport for friends departing Zambia.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 11:03:23 (UTC)
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Hello all,
I am hoping that some kind soul will beable to help me with some info. My father passed away in APRIL 1994 IN Harare, Zimbabwe. With him passing I have no info of his side of the family.
My father - Francis Benjamin Cooper, born 5 Nov 1929 in Livingstone, Zambia. He was the youngest of 4 children
(Mary, Dick and Barba) who were born to parents -
Aletta Miller (deceased) Benjamin Cooper (deceased)
Apparently they lived on a farm in Kaloma Zambia. The farm was named "Hunters Rest". My grandparents were burried on this farm.
Does anyone recall the "Cooper" family at all. My Dad married my mother (Marie Elizabeth Venter) know as Baba. My parents had 4 children, me being the youmgest (Desmond, Brian and Raymond)
All I am trying to do is put some puzzle pieces together, so that my child has some history of her family.
Also does anyone know how, or wher I can get a duplicate birth certificate of my fathers, and possibly info on births and deaths going back to the early 1900 in Zambia.
Any info would be appreciated, as all little tit bits add up to complete the circle.
Thanking you all in advance
Cheryl
Cheryl Baggaley (née Cooper) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 10:57:19 (UTC)
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Hi All
I've been reading that lovely series of books based in Botswana starting with "The No.1 Ladies Detective Agency". In it women are referred to as Mma .......... and men sometimes as Rra, similar to Mr., and Mrs.
Does anyone know what the Mma. and Rra. are actually short for?
Many thanks.
Stew Watt
Stewart Watt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 10:06:28 (UTC)
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Wasn't the old Kitwe airfield next to the Showgrounds? It was certainly closed (or at least not used by Zambia Airways) before I arrived in February 1971, when my flight was into Southdowns.
I flew between Southdowns and Lusaka regularly in the period 1974-1979 when I worked for Consolite. There were at least two flights on weekdays - one in the early morning and one in the late afternoon. But, if one wanted to go elsewhere - such as Kasaba Bay - then Ndola was the answer.
The facilities at Southdowns were certainly very basic, but there was a good patch of grass outside what passed as the terminal building, and we had several quite large Kitwe Theatre "send-offs" there - when I and my former wife Effie left at the end of January 1979, together with Terry and Lynn D'Cruz, there were probably 50+ people there including the Theatre "Can-Can" girls and plenty to drink. Maybe they just wanted to make sure I left?!
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 08:48:22 (UTC)
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Nicky
The Geoffrey White that you talk about, did he go to KG VI in Broken Hill? I knew a Geoff White there; he had a scar down his cheek from a dog bite or so he said, knowing him it could have been caused by anything.
South Downs airport is still operating although not as far as I am aware to commercial traffic. There were plans to scrap the airport at Ndola and upgrade Kitwe’s because it is more central but those thankfully have been shelved.
There was another airport in Kitwe town somewhere that had been scraped and a ditch dug across to discourage unauthorized use. Anyway when Zambia Airways flew the first flight into Kitwe with their brand new ATR 42 using foreign pilots they managed to locate this old airport and landed with disastrous results to the undercarriage. Errol Hicky was on that flight and his hair turned several shades whiter.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 08:34:35 (UTC)
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Hello all
Some sad news, Robin Kinnear passed away last night.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 06:33:43 (UTC)
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Southdowns Airport - Kitwe
This was a small airport near Kitwe. As far as I remember, on the Kitwe - Kalalushi road, turn left after about 5 km, then the airport was about was about 5 km into the bush. Very small. Basically a big tin hut with a hanger attached. Only handled small aircraft (private and Zambia Airways).
Is it still operating?
Mopani Mines
I see that this company owns both Rhokana and Mufulira mines.
Interesting to see that the new CEO, Tim Henderson, is a St. Georges man. I didn't know him that well, but remember him from Saints, and then later in Kitwe. I hope he does well.
Paudie Coughlan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 05:08:58 (UTC)
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Nicky,
Great idea. Member photographs is an item on the GNR's very long to-do list. I'll get to it one day, I promise.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 23, 2004 at 00:55:02 (UTC)
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KITWE AIRPORT
I thought there was an airport in Kitwe called South Downs. Maybe I am not correct, as I was crying my eyes out when we left that airport in 1976! I was only 17 and had to say goodbye to my "true love!"
Debbie Stewart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 23:40:52 (UTC)
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Cutie Carole,
Thank-you for your generosity on behalf of all the members, and future members of the GNR, for your donation to our web site. As you say everyone will now have the opportunity of viewing them in the near future.
For this I will forgive you for leading my little sis astray, and she still smokes fags by the way.
My best wishes to both you and your hubby for your new future in Spain and I hope to meet up with you again some day soon.
Aloha Yukon Pete,
Still on that hot little island sucking your gut in too? Did you also go to Chris Tamm's charm school? What about a photo of you two guy's. Promise I won't turn it into a dart board, but I can't be responsible for the rest of the membership..
Yep, I intend to make the Salisbury map available to everyone, though I'm not too sure if a map of the bombe-zonke capital will sit well on the GNR. Maybe I should turn the tables on our robbing southern neighbours and charge them for each copy to get some of our money back that they stole during the days of the Federation?
Initially I will do a high resolution scan like I've done with all the maps I have put on the GNR, get it onto a CD and then I'll post a copy to anyone who would like a one, a low res compressed version may appear on the GNR for downloading off the internet.
I'll keep you all informed.
Hartley,
Brilliant photos of Lusaka, thanks for taking the time and trouble putting them all up for us too see. By the looks of the crowd at the swimming pool it was a big deal when a plane took off from the airport. Was the plane particularly noisy?
Mark Sturgeon,
Presently I have scanned onto CD around 130 Rhokana Review magazines from 1951 through to '62, around 90% of all those issued. I have a few more to get over to the UK from Cape Town but in the mean time those I have scanned are burned onto a two Cd's. I have sent out a few of these to some of the membership for evaluation and testing on various systems before I make them available to the GNR membership. I am minded to release the cd's sometime this year but this is down to the spare time I get, which isn't much at the moment due to my day-time job. I will let you know as soon as finalise this project.
Arthur Lewis,
Welcome to the GNR, I am very pleased to see you as a member, I learned a lot about you when scanning all those Rhokana Reviews, it is an honour to have you on board.
N'dolan's
Thank-you for your input on the photos I posted earlier this month. I am still interested if anyone can identify some of those buildings for me. I am told the brewery is still standing, and working. Is that where they make Rhino beer too?
Broken Hillbillies and CJ,
Still working on your map when I get a mo.
Linda,
Still waiting for my letter.. Should make interesting reading.
LizD,
N'dola earthquake? Was that the time you were having an office Christmas party and you were all a little legless?
Heather,
You remember some while ago I mentioned that I only met one really obnoxious person in Zambia, I was referring to the time we pulled into the drive of the Mine Offices in Nkana, now Mopani Corporation. You will recall some idiot guarding the place got his hair off when I stepped out the car and started taking photographs and he threatened to have me arrested? Guess what, the CEO of Mopani has just joined as a member of the GNR. Perhaps I should put in a complaint and insist that next time we go up there he opens up the place to us and puts on a nice spread for making his place famous? I will drop him a line.
Kitwe airport?
Kitwe never had an airport as far as I know. Did they build one when I wasn't looking? Where was it?
To all those with photo contributions in the queue, sorry about the delay, I will have a bit of time over the weekend to prepare some of your scans for the message board and will post them up early next week.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 23:26:27 (UTC)
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Charles, Bill and others,
Subject: Eric Pullon.
When I joined ZBHD in 1967 Eric Pullen/or Pullon worked as an Engineer, I think as a cost engineer but certainly as a fairly prominent Engineer. I can't recall when he left but we did get a new Cost Engineer, Tom Smith, ex Chingola, round about 1969/70 so maybe that is a clue. BTW Tom's wife came to NCCM BHD as chief Medical officer at that time replacing "Bordy" (sp) Taylor.
Jack Wardell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 22:35:15 (UTC)
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Aloha Beloved Arthur...
Will you be scanning the Salisbury map onto the net?
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 21:24:10 (UTC)
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Bill - Charles
I remember "old" Mr & Mrs Pullon driving around BH in their green Austin A30, he certainly was the Mine Compound Manager. I know that they had two sons Eric and Mike . Mike is still alive and living in Umtali( he was a friend of my parents) I am still in contact with his ex wife June who now lives in the UK
Chris Cantrell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hastings, East Sussex, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 21:16:31 (UTC)
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Philip
Sorry to hear that Billy McCluskey has passed away. He used to be our manager with the band The Planets at one point. I used to know Colin also. I lived in 59/ 3rd Ave. with Chris Charalambedies. We used to play on the Slimes Dam as well. There was a bit at the Slimes Dam that you could slide all the way down great fun. One day my self, Chris, David and Robert Webber and Geoffrey White decided to go shooting at the slimes dam, as I was walking a bit behind them at the time I noticed air guns flying all over the place and everyone shouting and yelling, as I got closer I realised they were all stuck in Quick Sand!! I eventually managed to help them out. Needless to say we didn't tell our parents what happened. Great days.
I must of know you as well. I just can't picture you.
I think we should all post old photo's of our selves on the GNR, then we would all remember each other.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 20:09:35 (UTC)
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Hartley: Sorry, I didn't get back to Lusaka until '69. The first production I was in was "Brigadoon" then "Macbeth". If my memory serves me correctly, the current Playhouse didn't open until the mid-fifties. I do believe that Hugh Grenfell ( Joyce Grenfell's brother) was at the original opening.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 19:01:46 (UTC)
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Kevin,
Thanks for that. Interesting.
Carole,
On behalf of the GNR, thank-you!
Gill,
And thanks for your birthday wishes.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 18:39:37 (UTC)
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Lindy Loo
Big favour please -can you let Barbara Raubenheimer know that Debbie and Kris Radford would love to hear from her.
Happy belated B-day Craig, hope you had a hoot or two.
Debbie (mentioned above) has 30 or so first day covers (stamps) and also old SA currency notes 'the kind that you couldn't fit in your handbag' size - any interest or does anyone know of a valuer?
LizD
Ditto - Colin McCluskey was one of a kind - guess the ole mould was broken after him. A character who enriched everybody who had the chance to meet him.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 17:08:23 (UTC)
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Thanks to all who responded regarding the maps from my posting yesterday. I was faily overwhelmed with your requests and have hopefully replied to you all individually. Apologies if I have missed anyone.
However, our beloved Arthur was the first person to request them on behalf of the GNR, so hopefully you will all get the opportunity of viewing them sometime in the future.
Regards to you all.
Carole Evans (née Bruce) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 11:00:44 (UTC)
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Ken
If you were involved in the Theatre Club then you must have known my parents as they spent a great deal of time there.
When we lived on the Great East Road, first on the left after crossing the railway line, I remember all the scenery fo a production being built in our back yard. I don't recall where the play was put on but I will ask my Dad and let you know. This was sometime between 1955 and 1959.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 09:25:51 (UTC)
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To Bill Hunt,
I read your note on Eric Pullon.
In the Durban Directory there actually is a listing for
E.D. Pullon, who lives in Amanzimtoti.
I have e-mailed the detail to you, should you wish to contact him.
Regards,
Ida Pullen
Ida Pullen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, South Africa
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 08:09:57 (UTC)
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Johnny / Craig
Sorry for the delay in answering, I was in Kitwe all afternoon yesterday.
I suppose deep down “home” for the Zim farmer is south and there is no guarantee that they would remain in Zambia should things get better there. However the same article I quoted from yesterday goes on to say.
“Under a 10 year project pioneered by Barclays Bank Zambia, a unit of London based Barclays, and African Leaf Tobacco (Zambia) a subsidiary of Universal Leaf Tobacco, farmers like Thorne get money to grow their business and pass on their skills to locals as part of the deal”
This should tie the farmers down for a few years and it would be interesting to see if they want to uproot again after building another life and putting a lot of hard work into new homes ect. Many of them are living under canvass right now and do not have it easy but the rewards will be coming.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 07:48:16 (UTC)
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Tina....
Thank you for being you :0)
oh and just a word of praise on your article about the march on Sunday...........congrats.........medem reporter
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 05:40:14 (UTC)
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Alex Swan mentioned KK's plane crashing just outside Lusaka. The pilot's name was Cathcart and he had his son on board with him. I remember the name because he was going to St. Stephen's College at the same time as me.
Dave McConnachie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Houston, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 01:50:37 (UTC)
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Charles Cartmill
re: Eric Pullon
Have discovered this passage in the book: "1920 saw the end of my first job when I resigned to join the Rhodesia Broken Hill Development Company Limited as assistant Compound manager, a great change from what I had been doing in building the Bush Telegraph."
I guess this is your man Charles?
regards
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 20:34:19 (UTC)
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David,
Good to hear that you're in touch with Lionel.
Johnny,
That's a good question about the Zim farmers returning if things ever improve there. I was told by an ex-farmer in Zim that there are people in ZANU just waiting for mugabe to kick off (or be bumped off) and then they will give most of the farm land back to the original farmers. He was quite serious. I didn't check the contents of his cigarettes.
But it's an interesting question, because it's a risk for both the Zim farmers to set up shop in Zambia, and it's a risk for Zambia to take them in wondering if they are just going to be a "one-night stand".
Sue,
Keeping myself nice? You've lost me there! lol Please explain. :)
Carole,
If you've had no takers yet, pick me! Will e-mail you shortly.
Marcella,
Good to see you posting.
Bill,
Thanks. I will take a look around for it on-line and see what I can find, but if you do run into a copy I'd be interested.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 19:59:07 (UTC)
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Re- The Lusaka Hotel. Some of you might know that this was the original venue of The Lusaka Theater Club. Productions were staged mainly by Mae Lipschild and Dorothy Martin. Mae and George had an artist type store just up the way on the opposite corner. George also had the plot next door, which he put up for sale in the early seventies, and after the deal was made, Kaunda's crowd said the price was too high, given what he had paid for it. Before Cairo Road was fully drained, passengers were ferried by row-boats fro the old Railway station to the Lusaka Hotel. Finally, Lusaka is in the wrong place! It was suppose to be located about six miles south in Headman Lusakaa's area (not a mis-spelling) BTW, what ever happened to Ted and Betty Dowling from LTC?
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 19:35:12 (UTC)
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Chris you are correct it was on the corner but the main entrance was down the the side street off Cairo road. Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 18:45:04 (UTC)
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Craig
The Eric Pullon's book was published in 1994 by the author,
set & printed by Haddons Images, Durban & bound by Colorgraphics Durban.
I was made aware of this gem via Tommy du Plessis ex Nchanga ( an old soccer mate of mine)
I put out a few feelers in the book collectors community & managed to get my own copy about 3yrs ago.
It is only 91 pages, bound professionally, with a wealth of very interesting photographs, anecdotes, maps on the inside front & back covers. It cost me R90.00c
If you are interested in a copy I will investigate further.
Charles
Eric Pullon snr worked for Broken Hill Town Management Board & held the position of Town Superintendendent when he retired.
He died in Salisbury in 1976.
Sounds like same family you knew!
I will check further if you want.
No Pullons listed in Durban phone Book.
Best regards
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 18:02:50 (UTC)
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Lusaka Hotel
Was that not on the corner of Cairo Road and Rhodes Avenue, but the entrance was in Rhodes Avenue?
The Dog Box - good grief, I had forgotton that name, but not the joint!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 17:59:51 (UTC)
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John Evans,
The Lusaka Hotel (owned by Lonrho) was on the main high street and I will always remember that the bar was called "The Dog Box".
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 14:17:36 (UTC)
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Hi all,
A few of you know that I have been looking for information about my family tree......I am pleased to say yesterday a little glimmer of hope was sent to me.....regarding my maternal grandfather..how this came about was through a little surfing the web..I came accross a couple of sites the first is one for mainly South African Genealogy.....and it had a mailing list included...of which I received the information from....... I also found a mailing list for Zambia also, which may be of some help to others.........you do get a lot of emails re others info etc but they could be well worth it if you do get some information about whom you are looking for out of it...as the old saying goes you don't get anything unless you try..... :0) Ali
http://www.genealogy.co.za/
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZMB/AFR-ZAMBIA.html
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 13:36:47 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Superb set of snaps from 60's Lusaka. I had forgotten places like the police headquarters and the market. Where was the Lusaka Hotel? I presume it was up a side street from Cairo Road.
I remember many happy afternoons slouched in the sun at the new swimming pool with a gang of ex-LBS guys (Neil Harvey, Stomps McGirr, Mark Asherson). Being ex-Woodlands, I was tolerated because I had the battery powered record player!
Those were the days....
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 13:05:31 (UTC)
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Tim Henderson:
I got your email. Lovely surprise! Unfortunately when I responded on your email, it bounced back. I will try again, or please contact me again. Thanks!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 13:00:13 (UTC)
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I was born in Rhodesia on the 27th of November 1963 in Ndola to Mary Amy Newman (formerly Moore) and Leslie Arthur Newman. My father, Leslie was apparently a chef in the Llewelyn Barracks and married my mother in Febuary of 1963. Before I was born in November, my father left and it is believed that he returned to Buckinghamshire, UK. I have never met him or even spoken to him, and would like to find him. If there is anyone with information, even if it is someone who knew him back them, could you please make contact with me. If there is anyone who can tell me more about those days and even about living in the llewelyn barracks, I am very interested on any info. My mother died 2 weeks ago and never really told me much about my father. Leslie Newman is now a Grandfather of 4 and a Great Grandfather of 1 beautiful little girl. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Marcella
Marcella Newman (formerly Moore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 12:03:17 (UTC)
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Hello all
If anyone is interested, I have several maps and leaflets (in good condition) which date from the 60's and 70's, on Rhodesia and Mozambique that I would love to go to a good home as I am emigrating to Spain in the very near future.
Details as follows:
10 Views of Vic Falls (Black & White from the 60's)
RUAC Air Safaris leaflet of Vic Falls
Town Plan Map of Salisbury
Tourist Map of Rhodesia
Road Map of Mozambique
Road Map of Rhodesia
Tourist Map of Livingstone & Vic Falls
Please contact me with your name and address and I will gladly post them on to you.
Take care all of you and happy postings !!
Carole Evans (née Bruce) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Doncaster, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 09:41:32 (UTC)
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Arthur Lewis - Welcome!
David H - I have a photo of Paul which I will ask Arty, very nicely, to please put it on the board for you...
Tina - thank you for the link - you've been busy and must be commended.
Craig - Are you still keeping yourself nice?
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 09:34:09 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt,
That sounds like a very interesting read. I was at school, in Broken Hill, with a Dennis Pullon. I know his father was a second generation Northern Rhodesian – called Eric Pullon. The family relocated to Natal in the ‘60s. I wonder if the author is the same man I knew. There was also “Pullon’s Compound”, near the Waters Meet road on the outskirts of BH, named after Eric Pullon – who was ‘compound manager’ for the mine in the wake of J Harrison-Clarke aka Changa Changa.
I’ve many fond childhood memories of Dennis and I roaming the bush: studying “Ornithology 101” - with pellet guns, and ”Ichthyology 101” – with dip-sticks, etc.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 09:31:12 (UTC)
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Kevin great news on your increased tobacco production
but do you think that if Zim ever came stable again the farmers would would all go back over the border again? Regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 08:11:26 (UTC)
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Arthur Lewis
Welcome to the Great North Road, Arthur - it's good to see you as a member.
I do hope that we shall see the occasional contribution from you on this Board - I'm sure that you have endless tales that would be of interest to many here.
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 07:31:51 (UTC)
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Some positive news reported in today’s Times of Zambia. According to the head of agriculture for Barclays Bank, tobacco output this year is estimated at 16 to 18 million kg, up from 7.2 million kg last year. 10 million can be attributed to the new Zimbabwe farmers. Not yet up to yields produced pre independence but when only 3 million kg was produced in the 2002/3 season the figures are impressive.
Non traditional exports now contribute 39% to Zambia’s GDP earning the country around US$400 million per annum.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 07:15:17 (UTC)
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Sue,
Hi, I remember Paul's name, pretty sure I met him, but 40 years later I can't be sure.
Mike
Yes, that's it, the Skyline !! and yes, you are definitely right, all the RTV people drank there
Craig
Yes thanks, Lionel and I have been emailing having found each other on the GNR.
Other RTV people.
John Evans. Last met in a bar in Hamilton Ontario. He had left TV and was working in hospital administration.
Judith ?? (the blonde) married John Northeast. Living in Tasmania retired.
Pat Trevor is in Scotland
June MacLean (nee Davies) is in London.
Gerry and Vivienne Wykes ITV sales arm of RTV are in Johannesburg.
David Hounsell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 01:50:24 (UTC)
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Correction to last message
I have too much to do today! In my last message I made three HTML mistakes and one other mistake. I corrected the HTML errors immediately, but missed the other until now.
Instead of writing, "... if you recognise Arthur from this picture...", I should have written, "... if you recognise Leslie from this picture...". My apologies.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 23:49:39 (UTC)
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Marcella Newman is looking for her father, Leslie Arthur Newman
Recently new member Marcella Newman is looking for her father, Leslie Arthur Newman, who was a chef in the Llewelyn Barracks (in Ndola, I understand). I am posting a picture of him and her mother (Mary) on their wedding day in Rhodesia. I will leave it to Marcella to log in to add the details she has, but if you recognise Arthur from this picture, please do get in touch with her. Thanks.
Leslie and Mary Newman on their wedding day:
Close up of Leslie and Mary Newman's faces:
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 22:14:48 (UTC)
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Phillip, I've just read your McCluskey story and I still have tears in my eyes. I also knew him pretty well - wonderful, totally nuts guy who I loved dearly (and thanked the Powers that Be that I wasn't married to). I can just picture it! No wonder he was never normal...
On a more practical note, he came round to our house, years ago when I was making hamburgers (for Diggers) took one look at me struggling with a stupid but very pretty press, went wandering round the house, garden and wherever, found a few bits and pieces and with a few bangs of a hammer, a hot knife plus a fair bit of bf&i, fashioned a magnificent hamburger press, still running 10 years later. What an amazing bloke he was.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 21:05:12 (UTC)
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Ali,
Thanks for the wishes. Enjoy the Amarula. Yes, there was a lot of swaying when "we" went bungy jumping. Thanks for telling me what a snag is. :)
Heather,
Thanks, and please thank Louann and Barret.
Charlie and Jacqui,
Thank-you too. :)
Bill,
Sounds like an interesting story. Has this been published?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 21:00:00 (UTC)
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Heather
Oh damn! I am so jealous! Enjoy! Please add me to the list for Siavonga in 2005!
Jacqui
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 19:18:52 (UTC)
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Craig
Happy Birthday Sunshine. Hope your day is everything you want it to be!
Much love
Jacqui x
Jacqui Milward (née Lackenby) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, England
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 19:16:43 (UTC)
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I have just been going through my fathers slides and have scanned a number in. If you go to www.isilwana.net/aroundlusaka I have put up some of what I have found.
When these were taken well your guess will be as good as mine but looking at the cars it must have been sometime in the 60's.
By the way the Index to the photos are in the form of a thumbnails which will open up the actual photo. Once have the first photo open you can go through them without returning to the index.
As I go through more of the slides I will post any I think may be of interest.
I have a number of shots of cars setting of on the 3rd, 4th and 5th National rallys, including a multicoloured car that I think is being driven by Lynn.
Let you know when I have something more.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 18:44:51 (UTC)
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All this GNR discussion about the vagaries of modern world travel : cancelled flights, screwed up reservations, flight delays, jet lag, computer viruses, technical problems, bomb threats, hijackings, terrorism, lost baggage, drunken sports yobbos harassing normal passengers, broken blocked toilets at Heathrow etc etc, brought to mind the tale of a 19 year old Englishman who decided to leave his mother country & join his brother who was farming in Africa.
He went to the Nottingham Station ticket office & asked the clerk to book a single passage from London to Kafue Northern Rhodesia.
The unflustered clerk casually noted the request, asked for six pounds, seventeen shillings & six pence, & told the youngster to collect the travel documents the following day; which he did.
Some days later he boarded a ship & travelled 3rd class for 24 days to Cape Town.
He spent the night at the Cape Town YMCA.
Next day he caught a train for a seven day journey to Northern Rhodesia.
On the seventh day he was met by his brother at Nega Nega, a siding 10 miles south of Kafue.
His tin trunk & small suitcase were loaded onto an ox wagon & the brothers cycled ahead along a sand road to the farm.
Why is it so complicated to travel these days?!!!!! I doubt very much if our modern computer literate organisations could easily cope with a travel arrangement request like this!
Sorry – Computer she is broke???
This tale is the beginning of a fascinating account of Eric William Pullon's experiences in Northern Rhodesia compiled by his son Eric jnr. " A Bush Telegraph - Memoirs of Eric William Pullon 1914 – 1919 in Northern Rhodesia"
A great read with brilliant photos! (early use of motorcycles in darkest Africa!)
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 17:16:22 (UTC)
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Charles Cartmill,
Sorry for the delay in replying but I have just returned from 3 days in Dubai on business.
Your translation of the Arabic word naqala is spot on i.e. to move something around, to transfer, transported. All I would add is that in present day conversation it can also be used to mean "to copy" as in "copied, not an original".
Something lighthearted.
Adam was walking around the Garden of Eden feeling very lonely, so God asked him "What is wrong with you?" Adam said he didn't have anybody to talk to so God said he was going to give him a companion and it would be a woman, "This person will cook for you and wash your clothes; she will always agree with every decision you make. She will bear your children and never ask you to get up in the middle of the night to take care of them".
"She will not nag you and will always be first to admit that she was wrong when you've had a disagreement. She will never have a headache and will freely give you love and compassion whenever needed".
Adam asked God "What will a woman like this cost?" to which God replied "An arm and a leg".
Adam said, "That's a little steep. What can I get, say, for just a rib?"
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 15:21:40 (UTC)
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Hi to All
As Bryan is down with influenza I thought as a good wife I should write a couple of lines to keep in touch.
Many thanks to Heather for the fantastic photos and we are looking forward to see more from her trip. Many photos did remind us of our visit to Zambia in Aug./Sept. 1995. We have had a great time and found it very difficult to go "home" to Perth into "civilisation". After a short time back from Zam we have had to move out of the city and found a place in the foothills which gives us the opportunity to look into the distance and dream about the country we love. At the time we are putting photos and slides from our trip in 1995 and old ones from 1948 onwards together for future generations to see some of the wonders most of them will not be able to experience. We hope to be back in Zambia in a few years time as soon as I will be able to join the "Retiree force" to be active again in a different way. Looking forward to see places and people again. Lots of Love to everyone Anja and Bryan Baker
Bryan Baker [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 13:38:13 (UTC)
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Craig,
Happy birthday - have a great day.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 13:13:51 (UTC)
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Craig
I have made it to an internet cafe, so big birthday wishes and lots of hugs and kisses coming to you from Livingstone, not only from me but from Louann and Barret as well.
Off now on a quad-bike ride and a visit to the Falls and who-knows what else.
Heather
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 11:23:44 (UTC)
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Sorry Craig, I was busy - but Ali answered for me... Ta.
David H. I forgot to ask if you ever met Paul Desmond. Apart from radio, he did a top 10 music show "Pop Rave Gear" which many would have appeared on either as backup musicians, go-go dancers or audience/dancers.
And Gwen Austin - I have a sister in law who would probably appear in many of those photos. They were also prevelant at Chingola and Kitwe Little Theatres. Anyone remember seeing Hazel and Bonnie dance?
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 11:00:37 (UTC)
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Hi David,
The bar across the road from the studio was originally called the Skyline. I believe that Eddie Denovan owned the building and acted as Host. In the beginning there was no proper airconditioning just water coolers. The television staff used to drink there regularly and one night some of them entered into a bet with a few red berets from the parachute club that the paras could not climb the television mast. In a state of alcoholic confidence the paras not only accepted the bet but decided that they would do it that night.
Getting to the base of the mast was not a problem (The guard presumably being asleep). Even the climb to the top was achieved without much trouble. But on the way down it was difficult te see the rungs on the ladder, so one of them started striking matches. The guard by this time had started his patrol and on seeing sparks coming from the mast phoned the fire brigade and the police. Reaching the ground our intrepid and slightly more sober climbers dropped into the arms of the police and were, I believe, held in the cells overnight before being released.
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 10:52:31 (UTC)
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T.V.
Highway Patrol
Robin Hood
Back to Planes.
Who remembers, during the Congo troubles, the U.N. jets (Swedish Airforce) screaming down Central Street and then turning left at the Kafue, so as to get back to base, the story was they had no maps. Roy boy got a bit hot under the collar about that.
Then the RAF patrols, when all hell was suppose to be about to break out, and Harold Wilson got a bit of a bee in his bonnet and threw all his toys out of his cot. The story was the RAF had to get permission to take off from Air Traffic Control in Salisbury, dont know if this was true but caused a laugh.
Then K.K's plane pranging outside Lusaka, without him in it, boy that got the rumour machine going.
Alec Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dorset, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 10:19:28 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Craig.......
hope you have a wonderful day......I am just going to have a little glass of my Amarula to celebrate ....I smiled when Jilly mentioned the effilant ride you guys had .......but didn't you sway and the earth move when "we" went bungy jumping ......ciao
oh and a snag (or snagger ) a sausage !!
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 09:51:52 (UTC)
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I think you will find it was Steptoe and son,
what happened to Highway Patrol,Muffin the Mule,Bootsie and Smudge,are you being served?
Pappy Papier [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Glasgow, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 08:55:33 (UTC)
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Geoff Paynter,
I note that you have just updated your Names Directory entry. However, your e-mail address is still not working, as the domain has expired and been suspended by the .co.za domain registrar. If you have another e-mail address, please log in again and use that one for your entry. Thanks.
Kevin,
Thanks. Me too. Just as long as I don't get as old as Arthur!
Mark,
This is Arthur's department and I'm sure he will answer your question in the next day or two.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 08:35:38 (UTC)
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Rhokana Review CD
I seem to remember some time back a Rhokana Review CD being made available (for a nominal charge).
At the time I didn't follow up with the offer. Is the CD still available? If so how could I obtain a copy of it?
Regards
Mark Sturgeon [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Johannesburg, South Africa
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 08:28:25 (UTC)
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Happy birthday Craig and I hope that you have many more happy ones.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 08:00:40 (UTC)
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Molly Bence,
Please contact me, as I have not had a response to the e-mail I sent you a while ago about the stuff I am supposed to send back to you.
Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 06:31:24 (UTC)
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Norma,
Thank-you for your offer; I appreciate it. However, along with some soothing words and sage advice from Chris Drake, I feel a little better knowing that I took a bullet for someone else, so please don't worry about it. And thanks for the birthday wishes. Looking forward to seeing the pictures.
Jill,
Thank-you for your kind words. :) Now that you have reminded me what the ride felt like on Bob, that's actually closer to what the earthquake felt like last night, except a bit slower. Imagine riding the elephant in slow motion, even slower than we were going.
Debbie, Doug, Peter, Linda, Arthur, Tina, Sue and Paudie,
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you very much for your wishes. Peter, there you go using that honey again! Arthur, I plan to start doing sit ups... soon. :) Sue, what's a snag?
David,
Lionel Friedberg is a GNR member, just in case you were not aware.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 05:32:59 (UTC)
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Hi All
Further to Linda's list I would like to add:-
Leave it to Beaver
Lassie
Dennis the Menace
Bill and Ben, the Flowerpot Men
Basil Brush (Gawd.. I'm dating myself now)
Eric Sykes
Stepford and Son
The Two Ronnies
Bonanza
Rawhide
Maverick
Help me here, folks.
Have Gun Will Travell (Richard Boon)
Cimmeron City
Dr. Kildaer (Richard Chamberlan)
77 Sunset Strip
The Roaring Twenties
The Saint (Roger Moore)
Spy Catcher
Sergent Bilko
The Honeymooners
The Flintstones (Wilma open this door)
Adventures in Paradise (First time I saw a form of bungee jumping)
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 05:25:57 (UTC)
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Hey, Craig! HAPPY-HAPPY from us both. We'll chuck a snag on the barbie for you...
Phillip Pain - Great story about Colin - they certainly broke the mould... I always thing of 'Tears of a clown' when I think of Col. I also knew the McCluskey household well and your're right about Mrs Mac.
David Hounsell - Those were the days.
I've mentioned before that Paul Desmond lived with our family when we were in Garneton. He used to let me write his radio program sheets for him so I could get requests on for all my friends. He is/was an amazing musician - full of angst which suited my teenage sensibilities very well.
My brother Paddy (Ringo Forde) played drums in his jazz quartet and I wonder where Paul is now.
I used to hear him come in at 4am and plonk himself down at the keyboard. I would get out of bed and sneak into the lounge with my blanket to curl up on the couch. He used to unwind by softly playing the most amazing and heart-wrenching stuff before taking himself off to bed.
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 05:14:18 (UTC)
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The Sarkey one writes:
"Lusaka only came about because tourists were being put off visiting Livingstone, the original capital of Northern Rhodesia, so to get obnoxious bankers and politicians out the way they made a bit of space in the shateen and put them all there. Why give them TV?"
Typical copperbelt mentality in full flight. What you forgot to do was to treat Lusaka with great respect that should have been bestowed on your former capital city. Who knows, had you done so, KK might just have spared the demise of Kitwe as quickly as he did. But then, he was probably assisted by chaps like you - screwing around with TV mast footings etc. Did you have nothing better to do up there? Tsk, tsk. Hooligans!
"Forget Hooters, as you get older it becomes impossible to suck that gut in no matter how hard you try."
You see, you blokes from Kitwe are all the same, scheming that mere good looking hardbodies will result in scoring all the time. We sophisticated bunch from Lusaka learned to use charm to score. That ability serves Lusakans well today. Right or wrong Lusakans ?? - monsters or otherwise?
BTW, what does Sarkey stand for?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 03:33:54 (UTC)
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Just some more RTV info. The studios in Kitwe were dismantled about 1966 and moved to Lusaka, before being re equipped later in the 60's.
I have many photos of the Gwen Austin dancers, including some of Gwen herself, but all the names are gone in the mist. Anyone remember them if I post them.??
I'll try to post some names of RTV personnel and their whereabouts if anyone would remember them. Have patience though, I'm moving house. !!
David Hounsell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 02:56:03 (UTC)
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Hi, TV in Kitwe had been established about 15-18 months when I arrived there in June of 63 for a 2 year contract to help to keep the place running. Someday I'll get around to posting some of the many photos of the place.
Great training ground. And great bar diagonally across the roundabout on the second floor - sorry name has gone. Films were shipped in daily from Salisbury. Parts came by sea from Holland - Phillips/Fernseh equipment .
The actual transmitter was staffed by a couple of Swiss technicians - first time in my life I had a fondue.
And it produced an Emmy winner in the person of Lionel Friedberg - now in LA.
And being RTV they arranged for me to fly out to Kitwe via Johannesburg where it SNOWED !! But contra ruled.
David Hounsell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 02:47:48 (UTC)
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Since it is still your birthday for quite a bit longer and quite a lot of the others are now sawing logs,
HpBaithyradyp Racig!!!!!!
Can't read it? I knew you'd be well away by now.
Can read it? I knew you'd be well away by now.
Hope every moment is wonderful.
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 02:09:30 (UTC)
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Man, you can tell a funny story, Phil!
Knowing McCluskey and the hilarious antics he always enjoyed getting up to, I can just picture the whole episode.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 01:27:21 (UTC)
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OOOOPS, Sorry Doug, I meant Ken, who said all Arabs looked the same. As for TV it is quite unbelievable that Salisbury had TV before the Highlands of Scotland, (mid sixties or later in many districts) considering it was invented by a Scotsman in Scotland, although Radio LM in SR was always our prefered medium unless one of the then famous DJs from Salisbury came to one of our baboon shoots-parties at Likatera, Borrowdale when we listened intently to at seven am on the following Monday morning to see if we got a mention. What fame?
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 01:16:44 (UTC)
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Craig
We will most "gladly" contribute to your run in with the Sherriff - if Geoff had of gone in front of you he would most "definately" have gone straight to jail - no passing go no collecting 200, as he should not have even been driving, so you really saved his bacon. I am really sorry that had to happen, it really spoils a good day. Will send photos tomorrow
Happy Birthday
Norma & Geoff
Norma Gogle (née Tupper, formerly Riddle) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Summerland, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 at 00:33:07 (UTC)
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Alec/Doug . Air Travel of a sort: I flew in the old Dakotas of the Rhodesian Air Force which were used as Troup Carriers in the sixties. The seats were made of tubular steel with canvas backs and seats, bolted on to the floor at two foot intervals and no sissy seatbelts for sure. They bumped and grinded along in a most alarming manner and although it was only internal flights, refuge was quickly taken at KG or LLews canteens with a couple of Lions on arrival! Now that Benghazi, Wada Halfi and Khartoum have been mentioned can anyone verify that at one of these places at some time, the side roads and paths were lined with spent shell cases from WW2. They were at least 25 pounders and were placed in the same manner as white-washed rocks would have been. I have spoken to personel who were posted at those locations but none seem to recall same, which is very strange, as there must have been hundreds if not thousands . There must be a story there!.. I wish I could remember where, but as Doug said, all Arabs look the same, so do the countries! No offence meant.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 23:14:47 (UTC)
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Artie, you missed some of the classics:
Leave it to Beaver
Lassie
Dennis the Menace
Bill and Ben, the Flowerpot Men
Basil Brush (Gawd.. I'm dating myself now)
Eric Sykes
Stepford and Son
The Two Ronnies
Bonanza
Rawhide
Maverick
Help me here, folks.
Our TV waaaay back then was a colour TV..the old plastic sheet that had blue at the top, brown in the middle and green on the bottom. Made for some interesting facial colours. I enjoyed many hours of watching TV.. and then I turned 12 and boys no longer smelled like wet puppy dogs... grin.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 22:43:49 (UTC)
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Hilo Monster
TV was definitely available in the Centre of the Universe prior to '61 when we left NR. There was a huge transmitter mast behind our houses up in Riverside (still there last year). The only TV programmes I can remember are Redneck (some serial about lorry drivers starring Patrick McGoohan) I love Lucy, 77? Sunset Strip and Liberace (a poncy pianist), also the "interludes" seemed to last longer than the programmes). The transmitter mast also seemed to attract an extraordinary amount of lighting strikes up in Riverside, after a really good storm most houses would have been hit and damaged in some way.
TV probably would have started a lot earlier than it did but for some kids filling in the ducts and footings with sand and cement where they were trying to build the TV studios down in Parklands. I learned to drive a dumper truck there too.
Lusaka only came about because tourists were being put off visiting Livingstone, the original capital of Northern Rhodesia, so to get obnoxious bankers and politicians out the way they made a bit of space in the shateen and put them all there. Why give them TV?
Oh Craig,
Forget Hooters, as you get older it becomes impossible to suck that gut in no matter how hard you try.
Happy Birthay boet !.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 22:35:31 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Craig!
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 22:30:24 (UTC)
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Craig...
I am off to Waikiki Hooters to have a pint in honour of your 29th birthday....
Heather...
Post cards are on the way..
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 22:20:25 (UTC)
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Coperbelt TV
I am sure there was TV in 1963 as John Milton, Rod Darwell and I - living in the mine single quarters - shared the 17/6 monthly rental from I think Radio City.
Boy, were we ever popular in those days...
Hawaii
I am in Waikiki right now and the Ala Moana park has tons of Baobab trees. They seem to be doing really well and I think must be quite old as they are very big. Not sure who or why they were planted there as they are not native to Hawaii.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 22:18:33 (UTC)
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Craig,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! You are a very special person!
I shared an earth-moving experience with Craig - we travelled along the Maramba river upon Bob (not Mugs) a Zimbo ellie - and it was funny because the earth didn't shudder - those elphantoms have amazing shock-absorbent feet, and they just glide quietly through the environemnt - amazing! So - it wasn't earth-moving - just moving - and I thoroughly enjoyed sharing the experience with you Craig - many happy happies!
Love, Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 22:11:00 (UTC)
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Having just typed a LONG message and pressed 'submit', am v. hacked off to find that it went of into the ether, no doubt never to be seen again. Don't you just hate that?
What I said was, something along the lines of...
In 1961, I remember kids at the Convent in Luanshya talking about what they'd seen on tv the night before but have a vague recollection that it may have been a test run type of transmission? Needless to say, my Dad didn't believe that we needed a TV and it took us quite a few years to make him see how imperative it was that we had one.
And, talk of earthquakes. Does anyone remember the one in Ndola in 1968? I was working in Mpelembe House and had been sent from the typing pool to temp on about the 8th floor in, I think, the Horizon office. Suddenly, my very heavy old electric typewriter skittered across the desk and then back again. Very bizarre! Somehow, I got the message that it was an earthquake and should leave the building. How? The lift didn't seem to be a very sensible option and there were a heck of a lot of stairs to go down - me? walk? Gotta be kidding. So I stayed put. I remember looking out of the window and seeing far below, people looking up and pointing - the building was definitely doing a bit of a boogy but eventually the typewriter stopped sashaying across the desk and after a few shudders, the building settled down to being its boring old self and I finished eating my sandwich. I daresay it must have been reported in the papers the next day but details like that are lost in the mists of time (wish I had Dick's memory - he can remember what he was doing on a given date, what he had for dinner, which bird he was with and the general outcome. I have a struggle with yesterday!) But it WAS pretty scary. Does anyone else remember it?
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 21:55:22 (UTC)
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As I recall, NRTV started around late '61/early '62. Nick Worrel and Pat somebody were the main announcers, Ned Jere came later. Some of the ads. were done by members of NKAS and were bloody amateurish, to say the least. Nell Cornelius did a presentation on make-up and nails etc. Gwen Austin had her dance school on regularly. There was also Bull Acutt, your Holsum Chef - good night and good cooking! I think it was only on about 4 hours starting at 6.00 p.m. There was also that famous ad. for Shell gasoline. The theme song was a famous guitar piece, the by-line , "You're going well, when you're going Shell". In those Molotov Cocktail days, the lads in the Mess changed it to, "You're throwing well, when you're throwing Shell"!.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 21:16:22 (UTC)
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Linda: Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I've been on the yacht (?). Those foties I sent were taken only a few months ago - I'm prettier than ever don't ya think? It's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way!
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 20:33:27 (UTC)
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Philip P
Thanks for gathering your thoughts about the good old days. The introduction of TV in Jan 1962 got my attention. I know that RTV was launched in 1960 in Salisbury, but I never knew it came to the Belt earlier than it did in Lusaka? I would have sworn that Lusaka TVZ was launched in 1965 - we rented a set immediately after service introduction. (I think?)
I suppose the Belt and Lusaka must have served by different transmitters?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 19:01:09 (UTC)
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Fredericton to Perth...
My route was Fredericton - Halifax - Toronto - LA via Air Canada and then Air NZ (a great airline btw) LA - Auckland - Perth. There was a seven hour layover in Auckland.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 18:46:06 (UTC)
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Hi All
More growing up in Nkana/Kitwe.
1961
By Philip Pain
In November 1960 my father took his accumulated leave package and we took the "Great train" journey to South Africa to visit family and friends. This was a special holiday for all of us as we were also going to Durban for the first time.
To avoid the milk train journey from Nkana my brother-in-law and sister drove us through to Ndola where my father would negotiate with the conductor of the train (With a few notes changing hands.) a coupe' so that the three of us didn't have to share a compartment with other people and of course the seats had to face the engine so my Mom wouldn't get travell sickness.
If I think back on those times I recon that the four day train journey was as exciting as the holiday itself. It would not take long to make friends on the train and find an empty compartment to turn into our headquarters. (Parents used to leave us to our own devices those days)
Around the middle of January 1961 we arrived back home and great changes had taken place while we were away. The first exciting thing that had happened was that there was now T.V. in the homes. ( We got our rented set later that same year.)
I had just turned thirteen in November '60 and considered myself not to be a kid anymore. I was now officially a teenager and going to start at Kitwe Boys High when the schools opened for the new year. If only I knew how many times I would be standing outside the Headmaster's office during my breaks I would not have been so excited. Trouble always seemed to find that poor innocent young teenage boy. (My Mom had a theory about something to do with the company you kept.)
For me, the most memorable thing that happened while we were away was the new family which had moved into our old house next door at number 8-4th Avenue. We had move into number 6 when I was eleven.
The family who had moved in next door were the McCluskie's. The old man was Bill McCluskey. (A man I treated with the greatest respect.) Bill worked on Mindola shaft but I can't remember what he did. He was also the Regimental Sergeant Major for the local Territorials, he made my life as a cadet pure hell as he always seemed to be around when I left home in uniform. (Mr. McCluskey suffered permanent ear damage at the Nkana air show when some explosive charges went off near him during the mock battle.)
Mrs. Mac was the sweetest little lady anyone could ever have the pleasure of meeting. The McCluskies and my parents formed a friendship that lasted the rest of their lives.
For me the greatest thing to happen were the kids! All Six of them! An instant gang! The eldest was Ian, then Billy, David, Collin (Who was the same age as I was.) Terrance and the daughter Sharon. (Sadly Billy, Collin and Sharon have passed on.)
Collin and I became best friends and were inseparable for years until we started going out with girls. It must have been that the girls smelt better than your mate who smelled of wood smoke and dead things he carried around in his pockets. Funny it was around this time I started to brush my teeth three times a day instead of chewing the stick the garden boy taught me to clean my teeth with. I also started experimenting with my boet's razor, Vitallis and Old Spice. (The ridicule one got from your mates when they smelt you. Things like shouting at the top of their voice for all to hear. "You're a Morphie" which led to more than one fight ending with one or the other giving up.) Colin and I shared that time in our lives when we got stonies and started to get hair.
There is a book waiting to be written about the adventures of Colin McCluskie and myself and I will get there one day. (Every day was an adventure for two thirteen year olds.) From the caving in grounds, Mindola dam, the source of the Kitwe stream, the slimes dams, and the Rhokana show to the dances at the James Ritchie Hall to the live music of the Thunderbirds when the Limbo Rock was the craze. The list goes on and on, each one a story on it's own.
One day one of Collins older brothers came home with a rubber mask and gloves. The mask was a complete one that you pulled over your head and was the most horrid thing I had ever seen, complete with rotting teeth, bulging eyes warts and grey hair. The gloves which were elbow length were a masterpiece of moulding with long claw like nails and scales for skin.
One night the Mac. boys and I decided to go and scare the neighbourhood house and garden boys. We dressed Colin in one of his fathers mackintosh's which dragged on the ground when he stood up. A pillow was stuffed up his back to give the appearance of a hunchback. With the mask, gloves and a leg dragging gait that Collin had perfected we set off up the back lane to have some fun. Unfortunately we were all well known by the blacks in our area and did not have much success other than a few small skriks.
As the evening drew on we eventually ended up on the corner of Boma street and second avenue to try our luck on the passing populace. Collin seated himself under the lamp post at the entrance to the Gothans driveway and rested his head on his arms which were crossed on his knees. The rest of us hid ourselves in the storm water ditch which had a good vantage point across the road. As someone approached Collin would stand up and shuffle towards them while clawing the air with his gloved hand. This new venue provided many a good laugh but nothing as spectacular as what was about to happen.
As we were about to pack it in and go home we heard whistling coming from Fredrick Knapp School side of Boma street and decided to have one last go. As quick as a flash everyone took their places and waited. A short while later this very smartly dressed gentleman came down the road pushing his bicycle, this was not unusual but what was, was that he was wearing sunglasses in the night. As he got into the lamp light Collin started his routine and as he approached this fellow the guy stopped and looking at Collin said in his best arrogant English......"Ah! don't be stoopid." As he said this he removed his dark glasses and what he saw before him must have been his worst nightmare because he started to scream and scream at the top of his voice. Now this guys reaction gave Collin a fright and he decided to unmask himself to show that it was a prank. As Collin tried to pull the mask off his head all he succeeded in doing was stretch it and distort it into a hideous shape, Well this was too much for the bloke and he took off down the road like a bat out of hell leaving his bike behind.
You can imagine the rest of the gang rolling around in the ditch with laughter. The memory of that night still brings a grin to my face.
P.S. We put his bike in the ditch for safe keeping and I don't know when he came back to fetch it as it was gone the next day.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 18:36:46 (UTC)
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Craig
Many Happy returns!
Johnny
The only Mfuwe I know is a lodge in the Luangwa game reserve. My brother Keith who was working for the company that built it called me up there to help put the roof on.
He should post about his adventures with the elephant, that kept him jailed in the truck all night, and about our nightmare ride to the airfield in the truck, during which we nearly wiped out a landrover full of game rangers. We then stalled on the ferry and blocked KK's convoy. The truck had no starter so the Pwd quickly organized a grader to pull us out of the way. We reached the airfield just as the plane was about to leave. We abandoned the truck and flew out before anyone could something nasty to us.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 17:59:26 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Craig! Hope you have a great day...at Hooters? Did you really feel the earth move in Vancouver?
Debbie Stewart [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 17:50:14 (UTC)
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Ted,
Thanks for that interesting link.
Johnny,
Thanks very much. I'll consider your suggestion. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 16:10:58 (UTC)
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Where is Mufwe and what did it used to be called Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 15:46:34 (UTC)
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There appears to be several ex-NRP contributors to this site! Does anyone remember John Hunt - he was stationed in Chingola and left there early 1963. He played rugby for Nchanga. I would appreciate any information that will lead to finding him again.
The NRP had a project where a local garage loaned them a secondhand vehicle, and younsters 16 and older were taught to drive on the soccer field behind the Boma. John very bravely risked his life in this endeavour!
I would also like to contact Gordon Sheppard, if anyone knows his whereabouts.
Ida Pullen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 14:53:14 (UTC)
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There appears to be several ex-NRP contributors to this site! Does anyone remember John Hunt - he was stationed in Chingola and left there early 1963. He played rugby for Nchanga. I would appreciate any information that will lead to finding him again.
The NRP had a project where a local garage loaned them a secondhand vehicle, and younsters 16 and older were taught to drive on the soccer field behind the Boma. John very bravely risked his life in this endeavour!
I would also like to contact Gordon Sheppard, if anyone knows his whereabouts.
Ida Pullen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 14:51:30 (UTC)
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Craig Many Happy Returns Of The Day and I would say Hooters a good place to celebrate it. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 13:34:21 (UTC)
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At last someone has mentioned the old Dakota (DC3) my recollection of the DC 3 was watching the early arrival in the morning bleary eyed after a somewhat casual yard inspection at CPC, as the plane made its turn around the control building for its landing at the old Kitwe airport.
Alec Swan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dorset, United Kingdom
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 13:33:36 (UTC)
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Air Travel
In the early 60s Anglo American employees enjoyed more some 35 working days leave a year. I recall a rather interesting return flight from a 37 day holiday in Cape Town in 1962 where the DC 4 suffered engine problems before take off in Cape Town (I always prefer the problems to be identified prior to take off!) The delay meant that I missed the flight to from Johannesburg to Salisbury and thus had visions of arriving a day late for work. While cursing my luck I noticed from the timetable that I could fly to Bulawayo, catch a DC3 to Livingstone and thence to Lusaka where I would land 30 minutes before the Viscount from Salisbury (the plane I should have been on!) It was a nail biting flight as with so many sectors I could well have missed the Viscount for the second time. Amazingly all went well and there were no delays. I caught the flight I had missed and arrived on time for work the following day. There was certainly something to be said for the slow piston engined planes of yesteryear - even managed to catch up with a turbo prop aircraft. I didn't even lose my baggage!
Cheers
David Gray [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durbanville, South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 12:41:37 (UTC)
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Craig have a look at the site below
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Quakes/uslcaj.htm
Ted Mills [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, South Africa
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 11:33:17 (UTC)
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Hello anyone still wanting to come to the reunion at the Greenacre Friday 23rd July 2004 are still welcome, either e-mail me or call 01656743321 as I'm in Kenfig Hill now. lyn
Lyn Howell (née Piper) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 10:32:49 (UTC)
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I am looking for Volume 2 of 'Kalambo Falls' by J. Desmond Clark, plus any books or scientific papers on the fossils and geology of the Luangwa Valley.
Any offers?
Many thanks, Steve TOLAN
Stephen Tolan [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Mfuwe, Zambia
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 10:26:24 (UTC)
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I know that feeling Craig.........and it aint the Amarula either.........living in Wellington....(the shakey Isles) it was nearly a daily occurrence ........
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 08:33:38 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks. :) Enjoy the trip.
"Earthquake"
We have just had some sort of earth movement here in Vancouver, although I'm not sure if I'd call it an earthquake. I've never experienced one quite like this, but it felt like being on a big boat that was gently swaying back and forth. Went on for about a minute, and now I can hear sirens in the distance.
And before I get any wise cracks, no I haven't been imbibing tonight. :)
Just waiting for the Big One out here on the Edge of the Known Universe!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 08:18:05 (UTC)
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Berkley Driscoll, George Kallman, Janet Oberholster, Ken Williams, Parsy Yuong, Mervyn Edwards
Best wishes on your birthday
Craig
In the next hour, I am leaving for Livingstone. I have much to do whilst I'm there so don't know when (or even, if) I will make it into an internet cafe, so I am wishing you a very happy birthday now, for tomorrow.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 07:56:50 (UTC)
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Ali - Forgot to say thanks for your comments. Very rude of me. Tsk. Only your enquiring mind would come up with an actual picture of Little Hand mountain kjope or whatever.
Ian - lovely itinerary. You must have some old letters or tickets, or maybe just good family history to recreate that journey. I remember only that we stopped in Egypt to refuel in the late 50's on the way back to Zambia and Idris my father's office manager in his days after the war in Cairo came to the airport to see us.
I flew on Comets pretty late since, after Iceland, I spent a summer as a flight attendant for dear old Dan Air out of Gatwick who still flogged Comets around Europe and North Africa with BAC 1-11's for light relief.
Ah the memories! You rapidly ran out of places to stow large souvenir donkeys from the Costa del Sol but you could certainly THINK of a few more place to put them.
After that I signed away my life on a "blood chit" with a cargo outfit out of Gatwick. This exonerated them from blame should they fly me into the ground. In return they kindly flew me back to Zambia, free, via (Oh Joy!!!) Lagos. It was lots of fun. If you got tired you could stretch out in a bunk at the back.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 05:02:32 (UTC)
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Neil
http://www.zimbabwesituation.com as a news item maybe for second Monday posting. Incidentally some may not know Craig used to run his own high quality information Zim Crisis newsheet.
The International Date Line
Doesn't that lie somewhere between the Ukraine and California?
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 04:31:35 (UTC)
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Craig -- elapsed , true , flight time from East Coast USA to Perth is a lot less than 46 hours ! No more than 30 hrs max...
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 00:46:36 (UTC)
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Tina, wonderful news , lets hope the movement gains momentum and the "big people " in this world start to take notice.
After reading Cathy Buckles weekly news this week I must say there is a real need for action now....(it is a pity there are no huge oil reserves in Zims)..
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 00:34:14 (UTC)
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Sorry Doug, I'm sure you have. I should have added that for Peter to get from Fredericton to Perth (flying west on Air Canada, I assume) he probably took five flights (Fredericton to Toronto to Vancouver to Honolulu to Sydney to Perth), so that's a significant amount of flying time (five legs) and waiting time on the ground (four stop overs).
Subtract 11 hours from the local time in Perth to get the time it was in Fredericton when he landed in Perth.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 19, 2004 at 00:07:44 (UTC)
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Uh, Doug, have you heard of the International Date Line? :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 23:58:08 (UTC)
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"I left 9:00am local time Saturday and arrived 6:00pm Monday local time in Perth."
Peter - no way unless you had bad delays !! Your trip was not 57 hours -- all local time . Did you stop in at Hooters in Hawaii for a sleepover ?
I recently left Hong Kong at 9 am and got back here , the great Baltimore , 2 pm same day. 17 hours elapsed time .
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 23:40:43 (UTC)
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Tina,
Please post the internet address for the report.
Neil.
Neil Smith [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sheffield, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 20:55:57 (UTC)
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Urghhh spelling - Isandlhwana.
By the way the first real Dallas MDC Rally (of many) went very well. The Movement for Democratic Change really is just that. It was only birthed in 1999 out of the desperate need for fair representation for all in Zimbabwe. For some it takes considerable bravery just to live according to concience. There were many Zimbabweans who put aside the real fear of speaking out under their own names to tell the world what is really going on. It was an honour to report for them. From an internet perspective the report should turn up on the Zimbabwe situation home page and to the readership of one of the daily newsheets tomorrow.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 20:48:34 (UTC)
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Boy is Colin Cowie doing well over here in the U.S.A.
He does wonderful dinner party themes and party themes on T.V. and seems to be pretty sought after for celebrity signature events. Appears to be a genuinely warm and welcoming character - a friend who would bring out the best in his friends. Anyone know him personally these days?
Isalhdwana, Rourke's Drift ....Yeah, Doug, I don't suppose you have many reruns of the movie Zulu over there on T.V. in S.A. Here they churn it out periodically.
However, that aside, there was a very good book called: "The Washing of the Spears" which came out quite a few years back. The "washing" is the washing of the spears in blood. By Donald R. Morris, Mangosuthu Chief Buthelezi about the rise and fall of the Zulu nation.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 20:31:50 (UTC)
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PS correction.
The battle of Rorkes Drift followed the battle at Isandlhwana.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 20:10:08 (UTC)
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Alix has just emailed me a picture of Isandhlwana (little hand) mountain. It is the scene of the famous battle of Rourkes Drift where 2000 British soldiers were virtually wiped out by 20,000 Zulu warriors.
It is not far from Vryheid which lies in the centre of many famous Boer war and Zulu war battlefields.
If anyone would like to know more about this battle visit: -
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/haywardlad/adventure/page2.html
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 20:02:59 (UTC)
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Long flights....
They still exist today. Last year I flew to Perth from Fredericton here on the East Coast of Canada.
I left 9:00am local time Saturday and arrived 6:00pm Monday local time in Perth.
Luckily flew in Business Class. I convinced a friend to sell me 100,000 Star Alliance (Air Canada) points for $1,500 Canadian or about $1000US. This allowed me to become his "new brother-in-law" and book a business class ticket to Perth. Did the same thing for flights to Europe in the past.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 18:45:44 (UTC)
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Anyone remember Colin Cowie of Kitwe?
Not an aircraft carrier boss, but doing quite nicely in the USofA.
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 15:55:49 (UTC)
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For those interested in Kitwe Primary School pupils and what they are doing, the local paper reported that Robert Cooling aged 47 has been selected as the new Captain of the aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious, one of the UK's largest warships. Robert was at KPS at the same time as my children and may be remembered by some GNR readers.
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 14:18:04 (UTC)
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Chingola Do
Spent Saturday afternoon and evening with "the" group of ex-Chingolans in this part of the world. Tryg and Jeanette Sjothun were kind enough to host the event this year at their place in Blaine, Washington, USA, which is only about a 45 minute drive from where I live in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. I had a very enjoyable day, and I thank you very much for inviting me.
To those who were there heading to the motel in your convoy behind me -- yes, that was me being pulled over by the local sheriff. He gave me a little souvenir of my trip to Birch Bay; one that will require a "small" contribution of US$132 (about C$1000) to the local coffers. I was not amused. Can you believe the speed limit along Birch Bay Road is only 20 MPH?! It looked like a typical 50 km/h (30 MPH) road to me. I guess didn't pay enough attention to Tryg's warning about the speed limit on that road, and I was paying too much attention to my map to notice any speed limit signs. I was being very good driving through the complex to the gate, and Geoff caught up to me. I wish I had let him pass. :) Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
I had to laugh at the sheriff though, although it was an inward laugh. He asked me my height and I told him 175 cm. That clearly flummoxed him, and he asked me what that was "in American"! I was tempted to tell him that the Americans did not invent the "imperial" (how ironic is that?!) system of measurement, and I was also tempted to tell him I didn't know and that he should ask his dispatch to pull out some reference books and calculators and figure it out for him, but I resisted.
Hopefully Norma Gogle will be sending me some pictures soon, and I will post them here.
Lionel,
I have sent you your user ID and password through the password-recovery form. Hopefully you will have no more problems logging in. Please let me know if you do.
Tryg,
Thanks again for your hospitality and thanks also for your suggestions for the Names Directory. Hope to have both of those in place in the next couple of weeks.
Ali,
I thought of you while raising a glass of Amarula. :)
Linda,
Tim will not be able to contact you until his membership has been activated, at which time you will also be able to contact him.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 08:48:18 (UTC)
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Chris,
The commentary we got here did not have 'slope' commentators - they were Aussies and I found ut very difficult to understand - what with the Pacific Islanders' unusual names (to my ears) and the strangulation of the Afrikaans names by afore-mentioned commentators - and calling our okes Springbucks! Well! Ja, I agree with you about the test - first half 33 nil to us - great straight forward rugby. Second half of the second half - scarey! But I guess it was better than having a 60 something score which would have flattered the boks undeservingly. BTW - the captian of the Pac Isl's (don't ask me his name) was asked which of the three nations they've played in the last two weeks were the toughest - and he rated NZ.
NZ kicked ass against the Ozzies - but the conditions were atrocious. We wait with bated breath to next Saturday to see how we fare against the skillful All Blacks, thankfully not in Wellington.
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 08:07:21 (UTC)
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I am not too sure of the hours but I know that flying from Johannesburg to New Zealand with a burst eardrum and in agony would beat any record oh and yes we had the curtesy stops at Maritius, Perth, Sydney and then in those days the Airforce base Whenuapi (pronounced when you a pie not when you happy.I know I certainly was not...!!!.......not too sure about the trip from Lusaka to johannesburg though the plane in question was a super constellation..the flight was also at night.......and the engines in those days used to belch flames.hmmmmm
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 03:00:57 (UTC)
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Tim Henderson:
I see your name in the pending entries list. By any chance are you the same Tim Henderson who was in my Std. 5 Class (with battle axe Mrs. Silbereisen) at Kitwe Primary School. Your girlfriend at the time would have been the stunning Michele Davenport.
Email me through my contact address if it is you.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 18, 2004 at 02:06:53 (UTC)
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Ian Singer - can top that?
A good Aussie friend of mine who used to work for the Bank of Zambia, flew from Townsville to Lusaka, late in 1964. The journey as I recall, started in Townsville Airport at dusk, to Sydney, to Perth, to Cocos, to Mauritius, to Joburg, to Salisbury, to Lusaka. All flights were on turbo props (Lockeheed Electra, Vickers Viscount etc) and the time elapsed was 32 hours. Not that great you might say, but the entire 32 hours were flown at night - in total darkness. By the time he arrived in Lusaka, he had not seen any daylight for 32 hours.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 23:49:08 (UTC)
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Colin Munro
I can beat your 32 hours by a very long chalk!
In 1957 (possibly 58) I flew back to the UK with my Mother in a Hunting Clan Vickers Viking designed towards the end of the war using Wellington bomber wings with a new fuselage.
Day 1 depart from Livingstone to Entebbe on Lake Victoria. Overnight in hotel.
Day 2 to Wadi Halfa on the Nile. Overnight in Hotel.
Day 3 to either Rome or Malta - not sure which was on the return journey. Overnight in hotel.
Day 4 arrived Heathrow.
Apart from Heathrow(!) this followed the old BOAC flying boat route.
Can anyone top that!?
Regards Ian
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 22:56:38 (UTC)
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Ken F.
Yes, it is perhaps far fetched, but being the eternal optimist, if you look back on US rugby TV coverage in the past 5 years, you went from zero to 100 plus games per year, including all 42 of the 2003 RWC. People seem genuinely exited at the pace and ingenuity of the players, flat out for 80 minutes. They seem to like the idea where players can make their own decisions on the spot - none of this huddling stuff.
To the extent that that is true, sooner or later, the viewership will increase exponentially and I can't help believe that someone like Miller, or Anhauser Busch, will come in and "legitamise" the game. See how Guiness and Scmirnoff are doing already?
BTW, (digital) cable channel Fox Sports World, and College Sports Network are both well into rugby now. Northern Rhodesian Americans take note.
It is the game they play in heaven, to be sure
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 20:05:05 (UTC)
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Chris: Get the Beer Companies to sponsor Rugby in the U.S.? You'd have more chance finding a pork-chop in a Synagogue.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 19:33:17 (UTC)
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SS Grewar,
Ag ja well no fine ek se, the first half was a fine display of forward power, denying the Pacs the ball - pure and simple, very basic, very sound stuff.
But I think you will agree that the 2nd half was a disaster for the SPRINGBUCKS (I hate that term!)(Cant't you tell the slopie commentators that SPRINGBOKS will be just fine?). The trouble with SA rugby is that it is erratic. Some flashes of pure brilliance preceded and followed by some skills that would allow the Bronkhorstspruit Second XV to prevail. I just can't help thinking that the bokke are going to come 3rd. in the Tri Nations.
Did you see the All Blecks domainate the Aussies? Did you notice the Horstruckingfailure brilliant defense? It would be tough to justify an argument supporting the Rockspiders success in the contest.
We shall see.
Now tomorrow we get to watch the Eagles cream the Cocks. Or is that the other way round? I am waiting for one of the major breweries to throw a few million greenbacks into rugby. That will draw a number of world class players/administrators into the US game and with the sports minded folks here, it will be no more than 8 years before they reach the quarters/semis of the RWC.
In the meantime, hokoyo those bleck peoples!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 18:42:03 (UTC)
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Ha de ha ha! Boks won 38 to 24. That's a Mai Tai you owe me Chris!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 17:57:31 (UTC)
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Linda - Raubenheimer not such a common name so would you be kind enough to please ask Viv and Barbara Raubenheimer whether or not they have a relative who owns a large double story house on Rockey Road in Bellevue East, Gauteng. If affirmative, I have an interesting story or two to share. For those of "youse GNR's" who don't know, it was a Raubenheimer who invented the original "Kreepy Krawly" pool cleaner - well . . . . . . . . . . at least that is what I've been led to believe.
PS : Doesn't really match up to the story about the POO-POO's one gets in Hawaii . . . . . . but, what the hell!
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 16:42:56 (UTC)
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Artie:
I keep trying to compose a letter to you, using the dictionary words you sent me, but I end up larfing too much. I will try to send one soon.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 01:22:54 (UTC)
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Ken:
I heard from Viv and Barbara Raubenheimer. He said he remembers you well and it was good to get some news of you. Of course, I had a tall tale to tell... grin. BTW were the photos you sent me taken of you now or when I was "that Secretary bird" at Fairway you mentioned. You look too young for your age in the photos.
Barbara:
Viv does not know where Bruce is at the moment. Somewhere in the UK. If he gets a contact address anytime, I will pass it on to you.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 00:24:36 (UTC)
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Hi Doug...
Answers to all three questions is a resounding NO :)!
Life is good!
...Waikiki Pete at hooters where there are no male waiters.
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 23:01:52 (UTC)
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Greetings Chris and Peter c/o Hooters Hawaii
This is Obersturmbanfuhrer SS Doug the Thug blowing out the bullshit as usual.
I am a little worried about those pupoos that Peter mentioned he was enjoying in Hawaii.
To be safe from the dreaded food and beverage poisoning known as King Kamehameha’s revenge, you had better apply the 3-way test of our Seth Efrikan disservice club known as ‘Twisters’: -
1. If it looks like shit?
2. If it smells like shit?
3. If it tastes like shit?
….it very probably is shit! Basopo!
We now have a Seth Efrikan answer to Rambo. His name is Bimbo and I believe the Zambian one is called Tembo! They are all going to be playing in the Boks team against the Islanders so the winner is a forgone conclusion! Viva, Bimbo the Bokkie, Viva!
Let me introduce you to ‘Aaisshh! Pronunciation is a drawn out A followed by a long puff adder hiss. It is a Zulu for shock, surprise, sympathy, horror etc that has become common among all racial groups, just as ‘Sterik’ or ‘Aikona’ did in the old days.
Buti, aisshh, I havi talkedi maningi too much now, myself!
Cheers – Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 21:12:21 (UTC)
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And so, with just 12 or so hours to go, do the rugger followers here have any predictions for this weekend's tests:
New Zealand/Australia (Tri Nations and Bledisloe Cup)
Soerf Efrika/Pacific Islanders (played in Australia)
Yanks/Frogs
Another very long weekend!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 18:36:01 (UTC)
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Craig, Doug came to the rescue. Obligato.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 17:58:41 (UTC)
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For the smilers I have sent this to my friends but Ithink it is worth sharing. Johnny.
Regular naps prevent old age... especially if you take them while driving.
Having one child makes you a parent; having two makes you a referee...
Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right and the other is the husband!
I believe we should all pay our tax with a smile. I tried - but they wanted cash...
A child's greatest period of growth is the month after you've purchased new school uniforms.
Don't marry the person you want to live with, marry the one you cannot live without... but whatever you do, you'll regret it later.
You can't buy love, but you pay heavily for it...
True friends stab you in the front
Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired.
My wife and I always compromise. I admit I'm wrong and she agrees with me.
Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.
They call our language the mother tongue because the father seldom gets to speak.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 17:41:40 (UTC)
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Ken,
I presume someone else has come to your rescue by now. Since Elias removed himself from the GNR a couple of years ago, we do not have his contact information.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 17:31:13 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar,
Re --------"Piss Kop" actually as far as I know.
Robbie
I think you got that from the book 'Power of One".
I did, but it has the ring of truth and is so basic in Afrikaans that all of the later, more polite interpretations, are, just that.
ROB.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 14:53:33 (UTC)
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OOPS, screwed up! It wasn't Benghazi - it was Khartoum. All those Arabs look the same to me in their Abas. Benghazi was a stopover going home with my Bride in '63. Watch out for the next thrilling instalment of Fernie's Travels ( apologies to Jonathan Swift).
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 14:42:15 (UTC)
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More offerings on the air-travel theme. Flying to N.R. in 1960, a gang of us recruits left Hounslow, Middlesex on Thursday, August 24 on a Comet 4 at 1800 hrs.. The itinery was : Rome - Benghazi - Nairobi - Salisbury - Lusaka, arriving 1900 hrs., Saturday August 26th. Knackered!! A far cry from a trip I made on '89. Left Los Angeles on Tuesday evening to London on business. Arrived back in L.A. Friday lunchtime. Yeah, work that one out. ( No, it wasn't on a Comet either)
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 14:22:52 (UTC)
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Craig ( or anyone): I'm trying desperately to contact Elias Georgeopoulis, who used to post on this site. I do believe you might still have his e-mail addy. Please contact me soonest.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 13:57:08 (UTC)
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Anyone remember a board game: "Zambian Safari or maybe 'African Safari"? Came out in the beginning of the '70s? Quite a fancy board and came with different chance cards and all sorts of stuff.
Jonathan McCallum [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fayetteville, Arkansas, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 13:30:49 (UTC)
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Charles,
That game “Mancala” is one of the games on my Nokia 6310 (quite old) mobile phone where it is called Bantumi. Very briefly, the following extract desribes the game:
Bantumi is derived from a game called "Mancala" that originated in Africa, thousands of years ago. There are many variants of the game, from the number of shells in each dish at the start of the game through to how each of the shells is actually won.
The board is placed cross ways between the two players. The two dishes at each end of the board are called mancalas, from the ancient African game. All dishes on both sides of the board should contain 4 shells, although the players may mutually agree to increase that number to make the game longer and more challenging. There should be no shells in the mancalas at the start of the game. The objective of the game is to end up with the most shells in your mancala on the right hand side. The opponent’s mancala is on the left hand side of the tray. The game always moves counter-clockwise.
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 09:56:28 (UTC)
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Sorry - to cheat at Solitaire, hold down the Alt, Ctrl and Shift keys.
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 09:25:52 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm,
Why are you promoting Bill Gates and his Windows-based games?
Why not something germane to the board – such as the African game I battled to understand when I was a kid growing up in NR/Zambia. I eventually did get to understand it, but never with the same intuitive skill and speed as my darker-complexioned opponents. The playing board consisted of regular hollows, scooped out of the earth, and the playing-pieces were anything - from pebbles to bottle-caps.
This African game, in various guises but based on the same rules, has migrated south from Cairo to Cape Town. It was played in Ancient Egypt more than 3000 years ago, and one of the African myths holds that it was used to teach young warriors to cattle-raid.
A general name for the many variations of the game is “Mankala”, which is derived from the Arabic word ‘naqala’ - “to move something around” or “to transfer” (David Hoyle can confirm for us). The names of the game boards are usually determined by what type of seed, stone or token is used for playing, and game boards may vary as far as the number of rows of pockets is concerned - as well as slight variations in the rules. In South Africa it’s called ‘morabaraba’; in Zims – ‘tsoro’ and in Angola – ‘Mbau’. I remember it as ‘Iziko’ (sp?).
Another general name for the game is “Awari” or “Wari”. It has been calculated that there are 889,063,398,406 positions that can possibly occur in the game. It’s purely a game requiring mental reasoning, as there is no luck involved, and only practice will allow you to reach a higher level of play. Some while ago, I downloaded a free computer game of Wari, but found a vital element is lost in the game when played against a computer. You’re not pitting your wits against a worthy opponent. That’s why I’m now in the process of carving my own board out of a lump of Cedar, and intend using Agates or Tiger-eye as tokens.
If you’re interested – the site to download Wari is: http://personal.computrain.nl/eric/wari/download.html
Regards
CJ
PS And you thought BODMAS was a deoderant??
BTW - If you want to cheat at 3-card draw Solitaire – just hold down the , & keys.
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 09:22:21 (UTC)
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Scratching around for my specs.... are you kidding? Do you know the Lusaka Convent nuns LITERALLY told me they would all be praying for me before my maths O' level? I passed, and the annoying thing is I still don't know whether it was my own considerable efforts or divine intervention!!!
Actually I like puzzles a lot. I didn't even see this one in time though so whether it would have floored me or vice versa can remain moot.
Woo Hoo! Gotta demonstration for Zimbabwe in dear old Dallas this Saturday.
As to Zimbabwe, there MIGHT actually be the tiniest vaguest glimmer of hope for some level of relief in the future. Ya gotta hope hey while you're trying out ways to keep people focused on the problems.
Why thank you, Doug. I tries. I might be related to Milligan. I can do a fair imitation of Eccles, but I'm not too bad on Minnie Bannister and Henry Crun either. (For the uninitiated they are characters in the Goon Show which involved Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe, Spike Milligan who also wrote a lot of the scripts, and others.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 04:51:26 (UTC)
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Airline Story 1
SABENA = Such a Bloody Experience, Never Again
Airline Story 2
This is a true story from December 2003.
Passengers on a BA flight coming in to land at Sydney were addressed by their captain: “For those of you unfortunate enough to be sitting on the right hand side of the aircraft you will see below, Sydney Harbour, Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Opera House. For the lucky passengers seated on the left side of the cabin you will see the Olympic Stadium, where on the evening of Saturday November 22nd, 2003, England won the Rugby World Cup beating Australia 20-17 with golden points in extra time, after the game was 14 all at full time and 17 all after 10 minutes of extra time each way, thanks to a magnificent drop goal by Jonny Wilkinson.”
Airline Story 3
A man found himself seated next to a beautiful French lady on his flight from New York to Paris. “What were you doing in New York?” he asked. “I was a delegate at a nymphomaniac’s conference” she replied. “Tell me more” he said, intrigued. “Well” she said, “There are two common misconceptions about males. One is that the best endowed men hail from Africa and the other is that the best lovers are French. In fact, the best endowed men are American Indians and the best lovers are Greek. This has been proved by many years of verified research. But before I speak too frankly to someone I have only just met we should introduce yourselves. What is your name?”
“Tonto Papadopolous Mam and I’m very pleased to make your acquaintance.”
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 04:38:21 (UTC)
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Dang it!! I just snorted some perfectly good Bacardi and coke through my nose by misreading Tamm's posting. I thought he was saying HE had the ability to see both sides of the argument. But, alas, it was just a repetition of Doug's statement, which of course makes perfect sense when I re-read it. Oh, well, in the words of my dearly departed dad, "Hope springs eternal..."
Fiona:
If you read this before you leave on holiday, have a great time, girl. Don't be chasing them Portogeese fellows all over the beach. They are too easy to catch! I will phone you after you get back since we have been unable to connect online. I want to have a good natter with you.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 03:30:26 (UTC)
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SS Grewar:
BTW vacillate comes from the 16th century Latin ‘vaccillare’ meaning to sway (from side to side). I vacillate because I have the ability to see both sides of an argument.
Now there is a full on admission that you are a total flip flopping fence sitter, not knowing on which side of the fence the grass is greener. Such tendencies are entirely commensurate with the liberal/socialist agenda.
What can be admired about that Doug, is that you fully admit to it. Liberals seldom do so which frustrates the more conservatives no end. At least with you, we can engage in a mature intercourse - err, verbal, that is.
Have yourself a cold Castle tonight Doug, and I will do the same - but mine will be a cold Kirin.
Gesondheid ou bees
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 02:37:18 (UTC)
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Ken. Thanks for your kind support. As seen from a distance, preferably from sea, Tigh-na-bruich must be the most beautiful place on earth without any question, those who would argue have never been there! Adding to the natural beauty of the coastline the entire area must have been landscaped at least 100 ago years, with mile after mile of rhoddys, interspersed with both indigenous and imported species of hard and soft woods( too many monkeys -puzzle trees to be otherwise, I don't remember many monkeys around these parts, except I recall hearing of a few pets which swan ashore from the ships of the convoys which were bombed or sunk by U boats around the Argyll coast during WW2) I can only assume it was created by one of the great tobacco barons of Glasgow around the turn of the last century,
who would have had the wealth in those days? Unless you know otherwise, I will put in some serious reseach and let you know.
Barry W. How do you manage to catch sharks anyway? I recall fishing in Loch Fyne, trawling the feathers when there were lots of sharks about and we only caught mackeral by the hundred. Barry R. Re your avation experiances this brings to mind the flight from London to Salisbury sometime in the sixties, I believe. The flight left London Sat. at 12 noon and arrived Salisbury at 8pm Sunday, a total of 32 hours less 2, equals 30. This was by BOAC Viscount, the cheapest way to fly to Salisbury then, although Comet 4 was on that route (perhaps destination Joburg) but after the crash in Rome, it was well best avoided. This is not much faster than a modern F1 racing car and when I tell people this they don't believe it. Has anyone taken longer on this route by air? Around this time my very good friends, Peter Wormal and John Mutimushi (newly qualified from Agricultural College in Scotland, a rare distinction at this time by John) went by Union Castle to the Cape, Blue Train north and by RR (theme song in my days : l'll Walk Beside You etc.) to Fort Roseberry. Peter can't say now exacly how long this took but is claiming it is a record for 1960 anyway. He arrived back yesterday from a trip to see John in Kasanka, (still going strong, but with no pension or support in any way and very much saddened to see so much of his life's work being eroded by exploitation with no effort towards conservation in any way. On the bright side Peter met many farmers from Southern Rhodesia who were happy to relocate and buy and lease farms. John Ross, I was especially pleased to hear ( a splendid old farmer now in his eighties, I should imagine) has just sold out to a farmer from the South, just keeping enough land for his remaining cattle..
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, July 16, 2004 at 01:12:46 (UTC)
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Ken Fernie
I was in Nairobi in 1975 and I met an American who had just flown in from the Congo.He told me that when he took his seat in the aircraft he found himself sitting next to a well dressed but very nervous black businessman who asked whether he (the American) had seen any of the pilots and if they were black or white. The American replied that he had spotted a white pilot in the cabin.
The businessman said ‘ thank God ‘ and relaxed back in his seat
THIS IS A TRUE STORY
Michael Slement [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hertfordshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 21:46:25 (UTC)
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Robbie
I think you got that from the book 'Power of One".
Tina
You have a great sense of humor. Are you sure you aren't Spike Milligans cousin?
Peter
Try the mai tai's. I used to enjoy them.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 20:27:50 (UTC)
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Chris
You say PK stands for Peace Keeper?!? Aaiish!
Yebo Yaiss, and I suppose Houtie stands for “Honest Old Uncle Tom In Exile”!
You have been hoistificated by your own petard, the 4-way test. As a Rotarian you should stop ducking and diving and please to be rotating properly in future.
As the perspicacious Mike Wilson writes: -
Chris,
What better way to judge your submissions to this board than Rotary International's 4 Way Test?
BTW vacillate comes from the 16th century Latin ‘vaccillare’ meaning to sway (from side to side). I vacillate because I have the ability to see both sides of an argument. The synonym is ‘hesitate’ and you certainly do not hesitate to snap at the hook even without bait.
Cheers and thank you please, get out of your 4 by 4 and hand me your keys –
Doug your friendly hijacker.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 20:23:06 (UTC)
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Aloha Johnie...
An update especially for you...
*** Waikiki Hooters
*** Coors Light @ $2 pint
*** Free pupus - Hawaiian appetizers
*** Outstanding scenery on the beach
Life is very good!!!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 19:04:36 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar,
"Piss Kop" actually as far as I know.
Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 19:01:01 (UTC)
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David H
From the tropical mid Pacific, 85F, Mahalo
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 18:53:16 (UTC)
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For simplification BODMAS is the order in which mathematical problems should be addressed as follows:-
B = Brackets
O = Of(s)
D = Division
M = Multiplication
A = Additions
S = Subtractions
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 18:20:08 (UTC)
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Chris,
From the heat of Arabia today @ 114°F, Shukran.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 17:43:44 (UTC)
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CJ writes:
"He just forgot to apply BODMAS - which was introduced in Std 5!"
I regret bwana, I am not the one to be knowing aboutee BODMAS? Ini Lo?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 17:38:40 (UTC)
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David H,
I wish you were out riding your blerry dromedaris in the sand dunes for just a few more hours/days. Old PK is still scratching around for her spectacles!
OK oh crever one - here is another problem for you. (This one was posed a while ago, but people were more interested in frowing me wiff a stone because we were also discussing something else at the time.)
Windows Solitaire, 3 card draw, standard scoring, no timer. What is the maximum possible score?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 17:34:18 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm, cont..
Sorry was cut off half way through
3 people paid 10 = 30
were repaid 3 x 1 = ( 3)
Amount received = 27 { ÷ 3 = 9 each}
Spent in the pub = ( 2)
Balance Accounted for = 25
All receipts and spendings are fully accounted for.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 17:19:20 (UTC)
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Chris
He just forgot to apply BODMAS - which was introduced in Std 5!
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 17:16:23 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm,
Really now you don't expect GNR people to be taken in with this one, do you?
Paid 30
Repaid
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 17:10:31 (UTC)
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Chris - mina aikona shala lapa ingochini O.K.! Everyone knows Tickey counts on his fingers and always with his hands in his pockets - Ahah!
Glen Drake [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
California, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 13:52:49 (UTC)
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Barry
Looking at the contents of that interesting drink....I think I would prefer to stomp on my Marula berries :0)
Ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 10:15:01 (UTC)
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Tina
Maybe we should let the rest of the GNR into the secret of Brennivín ...
Black Death
more Black Death
Brennivín is of course a type of anti-freeze necessary to keep the blood moving in this part of the world.
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 08:46:37 (UTC)
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The mention of Sabena air lines took my memory back to the Sabena Guest House in Elisabethville in the days just after the upheaval what a paradise it was, an oasis in the wilderness, the food especially the steaks were out of this world and the cherry on the cake was the currency exchange where you could get an astronomical exchange rate from the money changers on the street corners did any of you sample the delights?.
And seeing the posting of the lad who used to fly to London from Ndola on school holidays brings back the the terrible rememberance of me booking a flight on Freddie Lakers Whispering Giant the Brittania on which I now canot remember how long it took but it seemed an age perhaps some one who also ventured on that trip will remember, but I remember thinking I could have walked it quicker, but also thinking well at least we made it not like a previous charter flight that flew into a mountain in North Africa killing all on board,
Happy Days. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 06:12:17 (UTC)
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This message is for Bobby Worrill -
Hello there,
My granny & grandpa (Ernie & Stella Mulholland) lived next door to you in Ndola.
We all now live in Sydney.
Hope you are well
Love Lynette
Lynette Macdonald (née Krtizinger, formerly Bannister) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sydney, Australia
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 04:02:13 (UTC)
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Chris
Where are MY glasses? No you didn't ACTUALLY call me anything but "PK for Peace Keeper" did you? Well, now I'm flushed with remorse. I didn't mean to pull your chain.....quite that much ;-)
And don't mind Doug. Sainthood is boring so he's decided to come down off his pineapple, I mean pedestal.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 02:28:56 (UTC)
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Economic Problem
Once upon a time, there were 3 Lusaka residents who were in a horse troika partnership, PK Magee, SS Grewar, and Ms. Sleutel. The 3 of them saw a classified ad in the Times of Zambia that there was a horse for sale, at Stoffel Tambo's farm in Kabulonga. The 3 of them drove out to the farm and after many hours of serious negotiation with Stoffel, he agreed to part with the horse for K30. It was a cash transaction - Stoffel placed the K30 in his pocket, and the troika drove back with the horse in horstrailer trailer. Everone was very happy.
But later that day, Stoffel (Rotarian of course) was practising the 4 Way Test ready for the upcoming Rotary Meeting at the Ridgeway Hotel, when he realised that the horse he had just sold for K30 was really only worth K25. And so, being the honest injun he is, he summonsed long time servant Cephas Tembo (aka Tickey) and sent him off to Lusaka with five crisp K1 notes with the clear instructions - take these five Kwacha notes and give them to the horse troika with aplogies from Bwana Stoffel for overcharging them.
On the way to town, Tickey's mabayscol suffered a fret tire just outside at the local beerhall. Tickey thought he would buy himself a few pints of Chibuku to quench his thirst, while fixing the broken majingi. By the time he left the Shebeen, he was down to K3
Upon arrival at the troika's office, he gave them K3 and said "Bwana Stoffel is very sorry for overcharging you. Maningi sorrys!" Everybody was very happy indeed, including Tickey who had just nicked K2 without being caught.
So here is the problem - the troika paid out K9 each for the horse, total K27. Tickey spent K2 at the Shebeen, total now K29. So where is the thirtieth Kwacha??
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 02:14:52 (UTC)
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Barry
Yes!!! I wish I had remembered the Brennevin in my post! Absolutely! Our six months were accompanied by a great deal of brennevin and coke. Also at dances, you could put your purse down anywhere and it was as safe as houses but loosen your hold on your Brennevin bottle for an instant and it was history.
I ADORED the Icelanders. They have the pioneering spirit like us GNRers. You can make anything out of anything and fix anything out of nothing. They love life, love, good company, singing, laughing, story telling, discussions. They are creative and artistic. A lovely bunch! And most talar ensku mjog vel. Tak fyrir* it took me right back.
*speak English very well. Thanks
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 00:04:35 (UTC)
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Doug
I didn't name myself PK. Chris first said it "of course" stood for Peace Keeper. Now I am the Piccaninny Kia eeeeh! But he's getting on a bit and he forgets things. It's a Tamm-ism and you know him - Tammed if you do and Tammed if you don't. The sun is always brighter and the gin tastes better if he thinks he has twisted someone's tail a bit.
However I don't mind the humour. After all chose to navigate the swirling blue waters going round and round (or round for round) in unsavoury company to make some points.
Anyway people love a nice PK. It is a place of rest and comfort and relaxation for many. Many a good chapter has been read and good ideas have blossomed behind the bathroom door. So if people choose to think of me (maybe not in quite the same sense but similarly) as a place of rest and comfort where they can always be welcome, a sort of dumping ground (sorry, my evil humour again) where they can leave their problems behind, and find a laugh, I am thoroughly content.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 23:36:54 (UTC)
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Heather
Sounds and looks like you had a brilliant trip, thanks for all the pics, apart from the sunset one.
You're still not working that spirit level properly though, I'm just going to have to come over and carry it round for you next time you go off on your travels. Apart from that it will stop me feeling so "homesick".
Hey Ken,
I always wondered why my Scottish fishing pals go round picking up and shaking empty fag packets even though most of them don't smoke. I thought they were collecting the silver paper to weigh in at the local scrap merchant or looking for the rare bonus of finding the odd smoke for free. You must need an awful lot of wrapper to make a 1/4 ounce sinker though, (that's around 7 grammes for the girls), and baiting the hook with WD40 must save an awful lot on costs too. Canny.
Hey Doug,
Using the Rhodesian spanner is a bad idea, what if the tiger broke it off before all the beer was opened? You must agree opening cans with a knife is a messy business and such a waste when the beer squirts all over the place. Canny idea though.
I've had lots of stupid stock trout using the dry fly "fagendus valgaris" though. If I ever get the chance to return to Zambia I'm taking along a fly rod and having a go at the tigers with a few salmon flies or the larger type they use on saltwater flats.
Has anyone seen the latest ambulances mugs has aquired? "Nine ox-drawn ambulances and three regular ambulances worth about $550 million". (I think they got a decimal point wrong somewhere, but that's metric for you).
Just waiting to see pics of the latest ox-drawn battle tanks, B2 Chicken Stealth bombers and high velocity armour piercing stones.
OK I'll get back to photo posting soon.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 22:56:05 (UTC)
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Fiona,
Great story, but just to show that the GNR is always at the leading edge, thanks to its members, we posted a link to the Web site profiled in the BBC article (www.419eater.com) ten days before the BBC discovered it! Check the links page, which is updated (on average) a couple of times a month, to see the latest links.
I think one of our own members spent some amusing time baiting these idiots a couple of years ago. Was it you Johnny?
Thanks to Martin Williams for bringing the 419eater.com site to my attention.
Heather and Johnny,
Great pictures! Thanks.
Doug,
You really should learn not to mince your words when reviewing books.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 22:00:55 (UTC)
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Doug: Tres naughty!! Lo chimbudzi ena lo Picannin Kaya, commonly known in Scotland as 'The Cludgie'.
El cheapo grande way of fishin': wrap the silver paper from the inside a ciggie packet around the hook and spray with WD40 (honest). I tried this in Lake Perris and you've no idea the amount of catfish and bream I caught.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 21:52:38 (UTC)
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I have just finished Alexandra Fullers third book 'Scribbling the cat'. It was better than the first two but I was not over impressed.
She seems to always write about nutters and losers. First it was her mother in 'Dogs' and now its this big useless weepy willy of an ex-soldier, haunted by his ghosts. Pathetic! Give it a miss!
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 20:19:43 (UTC)
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SS Grewar enquires
"Did you ever hear of anyone using a Rhodesian spanner as a spoon to catch Tiger fish? I mean the ones that used to come as openers with each six pack of canned beer. My brother Keith, who is a lurker or a lazy poster, tells me that he had some success with them. I am trying to get him to post some of his fishing stories."
Yes, I have some experience with that - using the old fashioned beer/juice type can opener (where you punctured 2 holes on opposite sides of the rim of the can) solder a large hook shank on the side of the opener, and connect it to your steel trace using one of the existing holes on the opener. Trawl (or is that troll?) at the usual speed, and watch for some spectacular results, far better results than using the far more costly Zambeze Aristocrats, or Cuda's. But it opener had to be new and shiny.
"Tina
Are your initials PK or is that just CT breaking his own 4 way test again? I suppose he will say it means Peace Keeper when we know it means Pikaninny Kia (or shithouse in Anglo Saxon)."
Stirring again Doug - you know very well I attached the PK label as Peace Keeper. You would do well if you were to invoke the Rotary 4 Way Test, but then I don't think you are a Rotarian? And if you were, perhaps your Rand does not go far enough nowadays - but it will go back to parity with the Greenback, or will it? Or will you soon be able to use in the PK without being overly painful?
Any further news on the land grab in Sowf Efrika?
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 20:09:54 (UTC)
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Heather
What a feast of pictures!
Winter has arrived in Vryheid with a vengeance yesterday. Top temperature today 8c and -5c forecast for tonight, yughh!
Arthur
Did you ever hear of anyone using a Rhodesian spanner as a spoon to catch Tiger fish? I mean the ones that used to come as openers with each six pack of canned beer. My brother Keith, who is a lurker or a lazy poster, tells me that he had some success with them. I am trying to get him to post some of his fishing stories.
Tina
Are your initials PK or is that just CT breaking his own 4 way test again? I suppose he will say it means Peace Keeper when we know it means Pikaninny Kia (or shithouse in Anglo Saxon).
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 19:34:11 (UTC)
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Hi Johnny and All
Rex Tarr's story takes place here in my home town and goes like this..........
"A friend of mine was a flying instructor during the war and he was told to report to Eshowe in order to help train Zulus for the war effort.
So he presented himself and the very first day his lesson went something like this........
This is a very special fly machine which is called a Harvard Mark Two A two seater.
In the front is a propeller, underneath is two wheels and in the backside is one tail wheel which is not fully retractable.
Now climbs ups and I'll show you in the cockpit...........Wenna bonna hena konna maningi watches lapa. Kabanga hena Swiss made but I'm not sure but anyway every watch is telling you something. This one is Air Speed Indicator. Skattie hena figga lapa red line you are going to have an accident for sure.
You guys want more I have just been given his CD as a present.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 18:12:33 (UTC)
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Hi Johnny and All
Rex Tarr's story takes place here in my home town and goes like this..........
"A friend of mine was a flying instructor during the war and he was told to report to Eshowe in order to help train Zulus for the war effort.
So he presented himself and the very first day his lesson went something like this........
This is a very special fly machine which is called a Harvard Mark Two A two seater.
In the front is a propeller, underneath is two wheels and in the backside is one tail wheel which is not fully retractable.
Now climbs ups and I'll show you in the cockpit...........Wenna bonna hena konna maningi watches lapa. Kabanga hena Swiss made but I'm not sure but anyway every watch is telling you something. This one is Air Speed Indicator. Skattie hena figga lapa red line you are going to have an accident for sure.
You guys want more I have just been given his CD as a present.
Cheers
Philip Pain [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Eshowe, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 18:08:50 (UTC)
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Tina
And of course, as you will remember, the "hákarl" - cured shark - must be accompanied by Icelandic schnapps "Brennivín" - otherwise known as "Black Death" ...
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 17:28:49 (UTC)
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Barry
You forgot to tell them the full story about the shark. You then bury the dead shark under the beach so the sea can wash over it while it rots a bit (supposedly to drain away the harmful fluids and bacteria). Then you serve it up cubed at Christmas. It's called phonetically - "haukatl" and it smells like very very ripe camembert and tastes like rotten shrimp.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 17:20:28 (UTC)
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Fifi.......
Thank you for that link........I wonder what Robin thinks of this??? giggles ...
Ali :)
ps A POSITIVE RESULT.... ;0)
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 17:08:50 (UTC)
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I think that is how Wrex Tarr's spoof on the pilots in training in the UK came about , Bossup lo Hanger, Boss up lo Hanger, Bushalo new Harvard MK 2. Hillarious.
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Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 16:37:32 (UTC)
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Barry: Why am I not surprised? I was on Japanese Airlines flying to Hong Kong and the Captain said," We hope you enjoy your fright!
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 16:35:43 (UTC)
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Yesterday a guy came in the shop here in Springs S.A. and said to my salesman he knows me, so I came out of the office and he said he was Bill Wilson and he remembered me from KPF, mind you nearly 30 years ago! I don't think he is aware of the GNR. Nice friendly looking bloke with a reddish round face and blue eyes. Seems to have his own business promoting Industrial Safety Laws etc. Anyone remember him?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 16:19:40 (UTC)
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Ken
Around 1972-1973 The "Times of Zambia" carried the headline "Zambia Air Force Pilots Take Crash Course" .....
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 16:07:27 (UTC)
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Northerners
Given our previous problems with Nigerian scammers, you might find this amusing - kind makes a clean breast of things! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3887493.stm
Fiona Gayther (née Ferguson) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tytherington, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 16:02:28 (UTC)
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Heather, Alix did not dare tell the girls she has had a still for years some where out in her garden, she imports Marula fruit and tramps round in her bare feet on them when the kids have gone to bed, the nieghbors thought that she was doing some pagan dance especially at full moon but she was squashing the juice between her bare toes and sucking it up and bottling it, as Alice told me she never knew her mother drank until she came home sober one day.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 15:25:44 (UTC)
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This posting of Airlines in Africa, prompts me to recall an incident which occured with Sabena in 1961, the Belgian National Airline flying out of the Congo. In order to evince to everyone that the Airline was making a genuine attempt to "Africanise" the top positions, Sabena dressed a very junior African employee as a three-ringer, in ( then) Leopoldville. As he was getting on the plane, on seeing this,the passengers made a mad dash to disembark. First ones off were Congolese passengers! This was reported in an article in Readers Digest. The Zambian Govt., in the early '70s, sent some Zambians to Perth, in Scotland, to train as fighter pilots. All of them were sent home after only a few weeks. Why am I posting this? Firstly, because I can - secondly, because it's true.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 15:04:44 (UTC)
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Heather..Good to see you back...thanks for the wonderful pictures.........the one with the still amused me......Jade and Leah wanted to know what they were making.............I merely said 'African fire water"."leah's next question was "where are the flames"....I then explained that they were making alcohol and "fire water " was a good name for the stuff..........as one would say.....one naked flame and the whole place would go kaboom..........I then was asked if I could make one???......me giggling to myself, thinking kids could set up a stall with a sign "very special lemonade for sale......very old African recipe.................
I must really say Heather your eye for the Zambian scenery is wonderful.........thank you
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 15:04:23 (UTC)
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ALITALIA & ZAMBIA AIRWAYS
Frank Prior's mention of Alitalia's association with Zambia and their relationship with Zambia Airways in the 70's reminded me of the many trips I made back and forth to school in England in the mid 70's. Living in Ndola, we took a connecting flight down to Lusaka on a Zambai Airways Hawker Siddely 748 turboprop and then flew on to London in a ZA or Alitalia DC8. All great fun - particularly for us UM's (Unaccompanied Minors) whisked through security and passport control...
However, I never particularly looked forward to the return flights from England: well, the London to Lusaka leg was fine arriving just after breakfast time - but it was the Lusaka - Ndola leg which was nasty. Because of the time of day of the connecting flight (late morning/lunch time) and the height at which the HS748's flew - IN the clouds rather than above, the short journey was always very turbulent as the turboprop rode the thermals on the way up to the copperbelt. It wasn't long before the unmistakable aroma of people being, um, 'unwell' pervaded the cabin and one's salivary glands began to work overtime preparing for the iminent reaquantaince with your earlier Alitalia breakfast! ...which reminds me of a particular journey when I was accompanied by my Mum: the HS748 made an unexpected grassfield landing at Kitwe to deliver several crates of young chicks stacked in the rear toilet. As we approached Kitwe on a particularly uncomfortable flight I realised that I probably shouldn't have had that huge breakfast earlier - especially as my mum had persuaded me to try some rather nice mushrooms (never having liked them before) which had actually gone down rather well, making me rather pleased with myself.
Anyway, we are lining up to land at Kitwe (I think you know where this is going) when suddenly I say to my mum, "I think I'm going to be s..." Needless to say I didn't finish the sentence as I was overcome with the need to projectile-vomit. Seeing as I was talking to my mum at the time, it was quite unfortunate that her lap turned out to be on the trajectory of said projection. And yes, you've guessed it, there were mushrooms everywhere (incidentally it took a good 5 years before I ever ate mushrooms again).
Getting back to the original thread (assuming you've not given up in disgust) the approach to the airport in Ndola was always particularly thrilling - the pilots always executing a daredevil type manoeuvre of a very steep and fast descending turn and thump on to the runway, reminiscent of the nasty bit on a rollercoaster. Once on the ground and disembarking it was possible to understand why - the pilots, swarthy continental-looking chaps in stylish dark glasses, were obviously Alitalia pilots who presumably flew their aircraft like they drove their Alfa-Romeos...
Regards
Barry
p.s. great photos Heather!
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 14:22:17 (UTC)
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HEATHER
Thank you so much for sharing those marvellous photos with us and how wonderful it must be to be able to travel those 'bushy' places which we in England can only dream about. I look forward to seeing your book.
Anona Balloch [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 13:48:27 (UTC)
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I just picked up a book called “Don’t Lets Go to the Dogs Tonight” (An African Childhood) in a second hand book shop in Perth. It was a chance purchase as I must still have had memories of recent postings on GNR about “Scribbling the Cat” and I think the author’s name (Alexandra Fuller) rang a bell. The blurb referred to this as her first book so that was no clue. Anyway it looks as if it will be a very interesting read as it is set in the dying days of Rhodesia in the early seventies with her as a young girl and her father away fighting on the side of the white government. I have now found out that she IS the same author so just as soon as I have got through “The Bride Stripped Bare” I will revel in some more memories of Africa.
I’d be interested to hear any opinions of the book from GNR people. It certainly has a high rating from the amateur Amazon.com critics which is usually a good sign.
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 08:29:00 (UTC)
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Wow
Thank you for the wonderfull photo's. I have not been back to Zambia since 1966. I had just about forgotten what a super country it is. I see a lot of the normal photos of Vic. falls etc, but to see the real country side brings back a lot of what I loved about the country.
I too would of had problems with the high cliffs. I still get bad dreams about the overhanging rock at one of the cliffs in S.Africa. Now I do not go to close to them.
Thanks again
Syd
Donald Sydney [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 08:23:59 (UTC)
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Mike you are correct Dicky is on the front row with Jack Gowland on his left (now deceased ) along side him, and my old buddy Dicky Dixon behind him, I did not know Blythe, are you on this pic Ken Fernie? Regards Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 08:12:53 (UTC)
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Hi Johnny,
Very interested in the group photo of Chingola Police.
It looks like "Dickie" Bird on the far right and George Blythe appears also in the front row?
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 07:38:27 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thank you for the wonderfull photo's, in my years in Zambia I was lucky eneough to have visited, through my jobs just about the whole of Zambia, and though I cannot claim to have seen all that you have shown, I did get to a couple of them, the photo's bring back so many happy memories. Thank you again and keep them coming, good luck with you book.
Frank.
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 07:24:17 (UTC)
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Ken, Colin
The Gulf Stream keeps us warm in southwest Iceland, so you people in the south should enjoy even warmer weather than us!
And before you protest about being classified as "southerners", the Icelandic name for the Hebrides is "suðureyjar" = "Southern Isles".
Oh, yes, we also catch shark - and eat it ...
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 07:24:07 (UTC)
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John Santarsiere, Roy Hill, Robin Tibbit, Skatie Fourie, Cynthia Halvey, Geoffrey Dodsworth, Paul Ferguson
Best wishes on your birthday
This was the Governor inspecting the the Boma staff at what was then Balovale, now Zambezi in 1958
A celebration of the governors visit
Not a very good pic but this is me where the Zambezi enters Zambia from Angola. It is called Chavuma and there is a small set of falls at which I am facing on the pic, the stretch of river behind me is where where my dear Buddy Drowned along with I think it was 9 of his constables who had, as Ken said, their full mobile unit kit on when the canoe overturned and in the fast flowing current had no chance
This is a pic of the regular police in Chingola around 1962. I hope that Ken can identify himself on it, I was a reserve C.I.D ass insp there from 59 to 70 and I seem to recall the name Fernie but I canot fit a face to the name. Taffy Walford is the 3rd from the left of the pic on the back row in charge of the mobile unit that was assigned to the Chingola district and unfortunatley was drowned at Chavuma while crossing the Zambezi river with several of his constables.
This was the farewell visit of our chief of C I D in Zambia; me the first white on the front row, but I am sure I have published all these pics before, my memory is going. Johnny.
Johnny Green
SOME OF THE FALLS OF THE NORTH
On 2 July, I set off, together with Ilse, to find some of the waterfalls in Zambia's northern province. All this is in preparation for a book which Ilse, Quentin and I are hoping to publish next year, covering Zambia's lesser-known waterfalls (or as many as we can find/reach)
First stop was Kasama, just for the night and the next morning we made our way past Mbala, down towards Mpulungu, but turned off about 20 kms before there towards the Lunzua Falls.
The Lunzua Falls are on the Lunzua River which runs into Lake Tanganyika and there is a small set of rapids at the top
and two sets of falls further down; the second one which can only be reached after climbing down a pretty steep hill (or sliding down on your rearend which is what I chose to do)
From the Lunzua Falls, we headed further west towards Kambole Mission,
along some pretty rough roads (if they can be called that), towards some plank bridges which we felt were not stable enough to cross so had to find alternative places to cross the river.
Camping the night at Kambole (opened 1894 and closed circa. 1979) gave us the chance to speak with the local people and find two people, Richard Siulapwa and Peter Chisape Sikazwe (both in their 70's), who agreed to act as our guides to Ngozya Viewpoint (marked on our maps) overlooking the Yendwe Valley and Ngozya Falls (not marked on any map we could find). This entailed a 10 km walk with our two elderly guides striding out ahead of us and Ilse and I telling them to slow down (our excuse was that we wanted to appreciate the bush through which we were walking)
From there, we made our way to what was marked on our maps as Kavuna Falls on the Lufubu River. What a disappointment - they can't even be called rapids.
But, we did find Keso Falls, where we camped the night.
From there, we started on our search for Chaka Falls and Bulalo Falls, also on the Lufubu River. With approximate GPS settings for these falls, we continued along the 'road' until it petered out to a bicycle track. The closest we got was 22.4 and 22.7 km respectively, and neither of us were into a 40 plus kilometre round trip. (I'm currently looking at the logistics of taking motor bikes up there and going in on those where the road ends, but with the condition of the roads/tracks up there, I need to think very carefully about whether I would want to tow a trailer with the bikes along them)
So, that ended our search for the falls we had planned, but with a few days to spare, we decided to try to find the Izi Falls (also known as Izimponda) so we made our way back to Mpulungu.
Access by road was impossible, so we hired a boat and approached them from the lake instead. Again, we declined the invitation of a 5 to 6 hour climb to the top of the falls and kept ourselves happy with photos taken from the lake (although I have a plan forming in my mind which entails the hire/puchase of one of the wooden boats which they use on the lake and two or three weeks exploring the coastline in the hope of reaching the Chisala and Luvu Falls which are both in the Sumbu area)
As I had never been to Kalambo Falls (second highest(?) falls in Africa), we decided to make a quick trip there where I suffered severely from vertigo. It all started when I told myself that my fear of heights was nonsense and at the top of the falls sat down about 2 metres from the edge and moved along on my rearend to the edge so that I could get a good look. When finished, I moved myself backwards and stood up, ready to walk up the long narrow walkway to another viewpoint and that was when it got me. So, now picture me walking off the path on the side furthest from the ledge, trying to cling to the cliff face and not daring to look down. And this was the closest I was going to get those photographs
From there, we went off to Isanga Bay Lodge for the night
Next day, we went in search of Sanzya Falls which we only heard of when we stopped to help someone who had broken down in the middle of the bush. These falls are not marked on any map and even people in the Lake Tanganyika seem unaware of them and they are only about 7 km upstream of Kalambo Falls. This entailed a short walk of only 4 km, but over some pretty steep terrain.
and past some pretty sozzled villagers and their still who were brewing kachasu
From there we started making out way back to Lusaka with a stop off in the Serenje area to find the Mkulumashiba Falls which sadly, have been dammed and all we could see was an ugly irrigation pipe running down where the falls had previously been.
But along the way, we had a chance to see more of this beautiful country,
its people and they way they live,
We visited one of our oldest towns (Mbala/Abercorn) and past Lake Chila
and Niamkolo, the oldest church in the country, at Mpulungu
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 05:36:14 (UTC)
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Peter Haven't you forgot HOOTERS?
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 05:04:59 (UTC)
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Colin: Methinks they doth protest too much. Fife has probably the finest climate - we can boast of almost 16 weeks every year of absolutely fabulous weather. The naysayers are usually the ones who have never been farther north than Newcastle, and you can keep that, ta very muchly. You might also have mentioned that we still have men who make a living catching sharks off the West Coast. not bloody big ones, but enought to give them a tidy living. The Gulf Stream seems to find it's way ( just a wee bit ) down the West side. If there was ever a lovelier spot than Tinnabruigh, I've yet to see it ( no disrespect to the rest ). So stop knockin' Scotia ya bloody foreigners.
P.S. Colin: These heathens dinna ken what ye mean by "Dalriada".
Slantevar. (BTW: The first King of the Scots and Picts was Kenneth MacAlpine in A.D. 844)
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 01:29:00 (UTC)
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Nicky/Gill, OK, I have to agree that, appart from the weather which would tax the patience of a saint, we could be living in a lot worse places at the moment, Southern Rhodesia springs to mind in an instant. (with the best climate of anywhere in the world) I just hope Johnny's wish comes true and we will get a summer at last, perhaps not 12 hours a day of sunshine, just a few hours would be fine. Gill's hotel was called The Kings Knoll situated on a small hill overlooking the bay where the King of Dalriada was wont to sit and watch the sun going down over his kingdom many years ago. Coming back to the present, sad to say that Nicky's Silver Sands Caravan Park is no longer there, I believe, although the silver sands of Ganavan are still on the beach! The site at the moment is being developed as a Chalet Park. Promise to stop being a grump, but only for a wee while, Regards Colin.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 22:41:07 (UTC)
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Aloha Northeners....
Hawaii is the place to be!!!
*** Sand
*** Surf
*** Sun
*** Girls
*** Cold beer
Beats Broken Hill....
Craig - where are you????
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 22:00:49 (UTC)
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Nicky, I'm with you - quit mumping your gums, Colin. Oban is a favourite place of mine in Scotland, only problem being it is a five hour drive from Aberdeen. Have been there on numerous occasions either B&Bing it or camping. Have done the 3-island tour twice and loved it, driving on and off ferries and zooming about in a dinghy. Last time my sis and I went we stayed at the first hotel you hit when entering Oban, think it is called "Kings" ..... The owner was a real hoot and couldn-'t have been friendlier. Only downer was I asked for a peppered steak one evening and it nearly burned my mouth out so had to spend the rest of the evening propping up the very convivial and cozy hotel bar - purely medicinal purposes you understand.
We were also serenaded by a group of more mature Welsh rugby fans who had travelled to see the Scotland vs Wales match, a group of old friends that travel around once a year supporting their team. I actually felt really sorry for them as it was a very close and exciting match but the Scots eventually won. They took it all in their stride, only one saying he was going to take of his Welsh jersey because he feared he would be teased unmercifully.
Gill Main [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Aberdeen, Scotland
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 15:06:40 (UTC)
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Colin
Stop moaning, Scotland is a beautiful country especially Oban and the Silver Sands Caravan Park. We spent some great holidays there, is it still there?
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 13:02:21 (UTC)
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Keith,
It must have been a croc monsieur.
Mike
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 10:13:26 (UTC)
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Thanks Colin, he had me transfer the car payment to a bank in Scotland this breached the currency control laws, it meant that he got money out and I got a discount, the week after this the Times of Zambia reported on this kind of situation and that people concerned would be fined and/or imprisoned and that many cases were pending, Gulp. I had a few weeks of bum twitching nervousness.
Do you remember when KK refused to repatriate the Kwacha, I had just booked a Holiday in the UK only to find that I could not have sufficient Kwacha to service our requirements at Lusaka Airport going and coming back. of course the bank in UK was only to pleased to load me up with Zambian currency, so I had another nervious time returning thro Lusaka.
Talking about airports can anyone remember late sixties when a 747 was diverted from Niarobi, and Alitalia who ran the Zambian airports didnt have the facilities to disembark the passengers. was it Ndola or Lusaka? they brought them down an extension ladder.
TTFN Frank
Frank Prior [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oldham, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 10:12:30 (UTC)
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Thanks Heather for the missing Lottie lyrics... now I can sing the whole thing to MY children too!
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 09:32:01 (UTC)
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Frank, Your dealer was a certain Mr. Nicolson, whose christian name escapes me at the moment, although I remember his brothers were Iain and Freddy. He may not have been dealing under his real name at the time. He initally started his business in Meikles Corner Bar many years ago and never looked back! I was also conned but to not such a great extent, as I traded in a car and was sold a slolen one in exchange, which was never detected in Nyasaland. He did very well with Toyota, ; I am led to believe he has since sadly passed away , according to Iain (Cannot believe a word he says?). Wonder if any one else remembers this remarkable guy from that time when he held court nightly, ( Corner Bar ) and has followed his career up to the present. Regards Colin.
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Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 02:28:30 (UTC)
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This guy walks into a pub, looks at the snack menu and says to the barmaid "I'll have a crocodile sandwich and make it snappy".
Keith Binns [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 01:20:30 (UTC)
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Heather,
Welcome back. You obviously rate higher on Peter's list than I do, as all I receive from him are e-mails telling me to JFDI and links to Web sites with information about exotic surgical procedures.
As for your car -- well, it did get us everywhere and even back, and also managed to survive high-speed contact with both speed bumps and pot holes, so it can't have been that bad.
Frank,
We have only one Pitt on the GNR that I know of, and that's Eric Pitt. He doesn't seem to be related to Brenda or Billy, but might be worth a shot.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 22:46:31 (UTC)
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Just back from ten days 'up north' and catching up on the notice board. Photos to follow in due course.
CRAIG
I hope my car wasn't included in the 'dilapidated' class. You'll also be pleased to hear that I have upgraded my car since then to a 4WD - decided that with the driving I do on bad roads, it was about time, although I still have my faithful Venture.
RAY
What Craig says about luxury vehicles is correct and you might now understand the disdain I have for aid agencies, charities etc. This disdain has recently been exacerbated by my dealings with World Vision on Tina's behalf. But, at least, I have an outlet for all my frustration and this issue will, in the near future, be the subject of an article in the Lowdown.
FIONA GAYTHER
Yes, Siavonga 2005 - I was thinking about this whilst I was up in the Northern Province. I shall work out exact dates in the next few days and post them on the board. In the meantime, anybody considering attending, please email me.
PETER DIELISSEN
Thank you for all the postcards which were waiting for me on my return. You certainly seem to be having a good trip.
BARRY ROBBINS
The second verse of the Lottie advert was:
Look for Lottie and join in the fun
Buy yourself a ticket, perhaps you've won
A big prize winner you can be
In the Zambia State Lottery !
I was singing this to my daughter the other day who thought I had had a touch too much to drink.
JOHNNY
Have received your emails and photographs. Will try to prepare them for posting this evening (together with the photos of my trip) and ftp them over in the morning from the office (faster connection)
DOUG
You are quite correct, we have never had any land invasions Zim style. During the 80's, some people did lose some their land, but it was never productive land; only land which was not being utlised. The trick was to utlise all the land which you had and then there was no problem.
Glad you're having decent weather - on Sunday morning when I got up around 6.30 it was 3 degrees and I was camping in the Serenje district !
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 21:16:17 (UTC)
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Many thanks for the responses to my queries, its great reading the posts, and seeing the pictures.
We would love to get a message to our old friend from KABWE Brenda Pitt, we last saw her in 1971, understand that her husband and our pal Billy Pitt died a few years ago, any suggestions would be fantastic.
Are there any pictures of Bancroft around?
When I lived in Chingola, I bought a car in Mufalira and paid for it in the UK, I found out later that that broke a fiscal law. Whoops. it was a Totota dealer cant remember the dealer, only that he came from Scotland.
Any one in the directory work for AMCO?
ttfn Frank
Frank Prior [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oldham, United Kingdom
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 19:51:08 (UTC)
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Ali
Yep that was the intention.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 15:39:59 (UTC)
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Ali\s crocodile is obviously a saltwater croc, so you needn't add salt.
Chris - you left out the preamble of the Rotary 4 Way Test - "The Four Way Test of the things we think say and do:"
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 14:55:38 (UTC)
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Tina did you mean a Croc-pot? :0)
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 10:09:44 (UTC)
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Doug / Chris
When KK nationalized our and other farm land at least we were allowed to keep the farm unlike what is happening elsewhere now. My dad, being my dad, refused to pay ground rent because he was not compensated for the seizure earlier. When we sold the farm years later a bill was presented which we had to settle or the deal could not go through.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 09:05:07 (UTC)
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Collin I do sympathsise with you living up in the far north of Scotland my sojourn in Scotland only extended as far up as Dundee and Aberdeen but when I was there it was clement weather and I enjoyed the beautiful
surrounding countryside, I am of the disposition I don't care if it snows in the middle of summer I enjoy the life, of course I do not have to go out to work in the weather any more but I did have my fair share of it when younger as I was a steel erector and that is a rough old life in the Uk.
I hope you get the break you are looking for shortly, and may the sun shine for the rest of your summer at least 12 hours per day, Regards Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 06:51:15 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Great pictures of Ndola, a bit before my time, but great to see. I grew up in Ndola.
Yunus Badat [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 01:14:07 (UTC)
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Johnny, We still leave windows open, doors unlocked, keys in cars overnight etc up here in the Highlands but its still a wet, miserable,windy country to live in. I cannot agree with you that the U.K. is a great place to live , there is a great North/South divide, I know life is much easier in the soft underbelly of the country, but we live where we do not by choice, but by fate. After another 30 wet days in June, we have followed this up with 12 days of cold wet summer days in July. How I envy those who made the sensable decision to re-locate in climates on a par with NR ie, SA, Australia and California and many other countries. Unless you experience it, it is hard to imagine the sadness of a short, wet, cold Scottish summer, especially if you are counting them down, as many of us are now doing. Regards Colin.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Monday, July 12, 2004 at 00:57:03 (UTC)
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Having only stopped by for the mamba post earlier am now doing catch up reading. I see you're cooking Ali. I think you should forward this to one of the cooking shows. Yum!
An alternate method would be to get an assistant or line of assistants all holding onto one another to crawl or reach into the croc's mouth and grab his tail from the inside. Firmly pull him inside out and then you won't have to skin him. Then simmer him in a very large crock-pot and carve down to the now soft and supple hide.
Gators are nearer related to frogs so maybe let them drink a case of beaujolais and eat some garlic and the French soccer team prior to cooking with cream and truffles. Or you could go Cajun - stuff em with gumbo while listening to Jim Croce through their little earphones and snack on their legs when cooked.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 20:26:35 (UTC)
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Ali you forgot salt.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 17:59:38 (UTC)
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Jonathan:
Our alligators down here in Texas are of course 30 foot long. Ooops .. grin.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 16:59:15 (UTC)
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Nice mamba article:
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/mamba.html
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 16:36:24 (UTC)
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Arthur: Thanks for the great photos of Ndola, there doesn't seem to be many things on Ndola, those are really nice.
Barry Woodrow: After seeing the "R&R" photos, I remembered Dave Wenden appearing on stage with his guitar to sing the song from time to time during the show, as a ten year old kid, I thought his shades were cool. Sorry to hear about his untimely death.
I was wondering why John Dunbar was not listed in the other programs you had posted, and thought maybe he only did music for the pantomimes? We had just left Zambia in '75 and remember running into him and his wife at the Balalaika hotel in Johannesburg. On a Saturday night there at the time, the hotel would show feature films on a 16 mm projector over a really tasty dinner. He had left Zambia around that time too.
Ali Key: There are no crocodiles here, is it okay to substitute alligator?
Jonathan McCallum [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fayetteville, Arkansas, United States
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 16:29:41 (UTC)
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Yes I forgot to mention the honesty that abounded, we used to leave doors windows open all night with money lying around on tables etc and never ever a break in, but of course all that altered when the poison was put into minds a country ruined. Johnny.
Doug the UK is still a good place to live I am enjoying it and would enjoy it a lot more as if you say the Rand would equalise with the dollar but I think it is a folorn hope and when I think of the times I spent down mines it makes me a little bitter.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 16:25:10 (UTC)
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I was born in Kitwe 53 years ago and lost my dad in a mining accident in 1956. I would appreciate it if anyone who remembers him or the incident would contact me. His name was Edmund Fourie and as far as I understand he was a shaft timberman.
Thanks
Annemarie Renaud (nee Fourie)
Annemarie Renaud (née Fourie) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
New Plymouth, Taranaki, New Zealand
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 14:46:16 (UTC)
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below is a recipe for
CROC SOUP...........enjoy
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 11:40:17 (UTC)
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Personnel
1 Indian chef plus
8 kitchen assistants
4 spare assistants on standby
Ingredients
3 large Crocs (C Niloticus)
1 smoked warthog
3000 green peppers
Curry powder
1/2 ton rice
1 tree bayleaves
Preparation
Beat crocs over the heads with a sledgehammer
Collect tears in 44 gallon drums and use them for salad dressing
Indian chef tell assistants to place crocs into swimming pool. Turn on steam. Make sure crocs are quite dead - otherwise spare assistants might be required
Boil for 10 days. After 7 days skin can be pulled off - which is used for handbags etc. During the 10th day the teeth will fall out and are used for jewellery and omulettes.
Cut off tail and use for Croc-tail soup.
Surviving assistants cut crocs into curry cubes.
Add ingredient and allow to simmer for a further 2 days
Curry is ready when vultures start circling above
Serves approximately 1250 people
PS Let your mother-in-law try it out first
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 11:38:54 (UTC)
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I am trying to make contact with
ADELE LOWE
JOY & JEANETTE SAVAGE
JOY & DAWN ANDREW
CHRISTINE & MICHAEL KING
GILLIAN CARR
Wendy Burns(nee HARDY)
Wendy Burns (née Hardy) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Northern Ireland, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 09:42:47 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Again great photos. Thank you.
Chris,
What better way to judge your submissions to this board than Rotary International's 4 Way Test.
Mike Wilson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Dawlish, Devon, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 09:33:09 (UTC)
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Chris
Those South Sea Islanders play a very physical game so it won't be a walkover, but my money is still on the Boks
Ken
Thanks for your logical and reasoned input. We had a very wise old King in Swaziland who when challenged by traditionalists about accepting some European customs told them, that he would take the good things and reject the bad things from each culture. Now if we could do that with economics and it passed the 4-way test it would be an improvement.
Johnny
Paradise lost! At least everybody who wanted a job could find one in those days. Those who didn't could survive in the traditional economy of hunting, gathering, farming etc. Another thing was the amazing honesty of the people. The Indian traders used to leave half their stock on the stoeps. One never realy bothered to lock up a house or car. What a change today. Many friends and people we know have been shot in armed robberies. It is worse in RSA.
How do you find England has changed from the England of your youth?
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 09:15:37 (UTC)
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For the smilers to brighten up your Sunday morning and if you have weather like we have at the moment you need it, I have sent this to my friends but I think it is worth sharing with you all. Johnny.
A man walks into a pub his arm in a sling and his face bruised and his nose broken, what happeed to you said the barman? Jimmy Brown and I had a fight he said, he could not have done all that damage to you wih his fists he must have had some thing in his hand, he did it was a shovel the man said, you should have defended yourself better, didn't you have something in your hand the barman said? yes I did said the man it was Mrs Browns right breast and a thing of beauty it was, but absolutely useless in a fight.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 06:48:00 (UTC)
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Doug it may be improving but it will take another two thousand years, give or take a few to return to a state like it was in the days before independence when every one appeared to be happy, at least a lot happier than they are now and this includes both black and white. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 06:37:24 (UTC)
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Chris & Doug: Capitalism was never ever intended to be synonymous with greed, a propos the two individuals mentioned in Doug's posting. I would draw your attention to Adam Smith ( who was born in my home town in Bonnie Scotland), whose treatise on the Wealth of Nations (not the full title), is possibly the whole basis of modern economics. For the less informed, the word economics is a derivative of the Greek - Ekonomikos, meaning the Management of the House ( or Home). Any Country's basic economic status, is based on it's ability to feed the populace, however that may be acheived. When this fails, we have a situation which is endemic in Third World countries. I recall having read a novel on post-independence Congo, where an expatriate lady asked of her Congolese friend, " Now that you have your Independence, what'll you do with it?" I think that sums up a lot of the current situations in Sub-Saharan Africa.
As a postscript, never let it be forgotten, that irrespective of the color of my socks, nearly all other "isms" have had their fair whack, and none have survived.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 02:32:20 (UTC)
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Arthur Steevens
"Next building is Barclays Bank (Dominion Colonial and Overseas) and then the next is George Brown & Sons Ltd. Further along is signage for Goodyear and Ford, possibly a garage or service station."
The garage is what became Duly Motors, I think. Wilfred Watson is somewhere around there slightly further along as well.
Rob.
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 01:22:40 (UTC)
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Vasalinating! I never use the stuff! You must have been reading your dictionary again Chris?
Thanks for the 4-way test. That about sums up my attitude, in the closet or out.
What you say about Kaunda and his policies being the reason for the NR diaspora is largely true. This does not alter the fact that slowly but surely Zambia and Africa are improving, despite your gloomy predictions.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 21:47:32 (UTC)
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Peter,
You're trying to sully my pristine reputation again!
Linda,
I thought I was supposed to insert an "a" in there -- something about doing some "banking" in Waikiki. Yeah, that's it!
Johnny,
Seems the new anti-spam system managed to flag your e-mail address as being bad and so all of your e-mail to various domains was being rejected. See the headmaster's assistant (me) about learning to blind copy and the spam filter might be nicer to you in the future. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 20:45:45 (UTC)
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Vascilating (Closet) leftie Doug first claims
"You are dead right; I am no commie, although I do enjoy waffling on now and again about the workers and the peasants, and it sure gives Chris the squirts. To me communism is the ultimate in monopoly capitalism and a proven flop."
But then there is the inevitable caveat
"However it is clear that capitalism is not all that user friendly either with parasites like Lacksmi Mittal and Ricardo Grasso making multi millions, even billions, while the middle income group struggle to survive and the poor get poorer."
Back and forth, and forth and back
"I think Tony Blair is on the right track with his search for a middle road or a third option."
Tony Blah is a very crafty closet leftie. A third option??
"There is a service organization (Rotary, Round Table, Lions?) "
That is Rotary International's The 4 Way test
First - is it the truth
Second - Is it fair to all concerned
Third - Will it build goodwill and better friendships
Fourth - Will it be beneficial to all concerned
BTW, it was Rotary who raised millions of (real) greenbacks for the eradication of Polio from the face of the earth. We had planned to arrange the final inoculation in West Africa in 2005, but then some wonderful bodies there decided that it was yet another white mans way of dicking around with their fertility. THey ought to be drawn and quartered - along with KK!
"Where Kaunda went much further than Mugs was in nationalizing 51% of the mines and industries which as we all know turned out to be a disaster."
It is just that what I have been saying all these years. KK is the root of Zambian evil. Hed should be put on trial for destroying the nation. KK is the reason why Doug lives in Vryheid, PK Magee in Texas, and I in Hilo.
Those Pacific Islanders can certainly play some donnerse lekker rugger hey? I reckon they will kick the Springbok posterior next weekend.
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 18:55:59 (UTC)
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Doug get something organised but first check if she has teeth, Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 18:39:18 (UTC)
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Northerners,
Please scuse some of the typo's below. Should be "Agence Consulate Belgique" of course. Good job Dave's not around.
Johnny,
I switched off the blocking on my e-mail for anything you send me. I'll leave it open for 48 hrs before I switch you off again.
If you do fish & chips in Scarborough I might drive over and go through those bin-liners with you instead.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 17:52:42 (UTC)
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Northerners !
Ndola Photographs - Circa 1951 - Four photos of Cecil Avenue
First one
A closer look
Looking down the street the first shop is obviously Holdsworth & Co Ltd Chemists, next shop with the two candy stripe stanchions is Ndola Modern and Dressing Saloon, sign above "Jeans Ltd Dress Saloon". Next one looks like Francis & Co Ltd, next Hepworths - another chemist I think.
Next
A closer look
Large building on the right - just behind the woman walking along with the sun umbrella is a sign up against the wall - it says "Copperbelt Furniture Factory". Further down the next building on the corner is Thom's Stores Ltd. Can't make out any names further down the street but the buildings are probably readily indentifiable by some of our members.
Next
A closer look
First building is obviously the Post Office, next, further down the street is Standard Bank and the next "J Mann & .." Again the buildings further dwon the street are probably well known here by some. Names Please.
The van in the foreground, I can make out some of the signwriting and looks like RSM Keachi - Electrical Contractors. Note the little sweetheart on the far right. Wonder who she is - one moment in time..
Next
A closer look
Starting with the building on the far right, you can't see it here, but with a little manipulation of the photograph I was able to make out just inside the doorway the sign "Agence Consulate de Begique" also an advertising poster "Antwerp 1951". The signs around the doorway and on the wall of the building itself "Agency for Imperial Airways", "Central Afican Airways". The rest I can't make out but one sign has an obvious Union Jack in the centre - see the last image above "doorplate.jpg".
Next building is Barclays Bank (Dominion Colonial and Overseas) and then the next is George Brown & Sons Ltd. Further along is signage for Goodyear and Ford, possibly a garage or service station.
Next
Ndola Brewery - anyone know if it's still going strong?
Next
Nothing to do with Ndola but a bonus photo, ferry crossing the Luapula River. I enlarged a section to give more detail of the ferry as I noticed the smaller boat alongside hitching a tow.
What I need now is for some of you Ndolites to provide more info on all the photos above, I bought these photos off eBay for our archive and posterity, any information that any of you can provide will be welcome. (On the new site all archive material like this will be easily accessible and not buried in the message boards).
If any of you would like to buy the original photographs please send me sealed bids :-)
Arthur
(Peter - thanks and yes, they were all "sniped" in the dying seconds!)
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 17:42:44 (UTC)
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Trying to contact George from Dundee (or thereabouts).
Need Nan Roncone's new fone#.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 17:11:36 (UTC)
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Johnny and Doug
You are progressing well along the path of "commercial holiness". Shouldn't be too long until you make the sensational exposé headlines.
Johnny don't forget to fashion some rules around: "love thy neighbour". "I.E. you might like - icecream on Sunday is OK as long as it is dripped on a suitable member of the flock and removed with the tongue."
GNR p.s.
(Not to throw out the baby with the baptismal font water - I do believe strongly that REAL holiness - honesty, integrity - whatever you want to call it and however you interpret it - is worth aiming for in life and there are a few of various religious and non religious persuasions out there who can teach us a thing or two about it). Engage brain and heart when examining the words of such.)
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 14:28:30 (UTC)
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Johnny
I see Granny Geraldine Williams has just won $294, 000, 000 in the Massachusetts State Lottery. Do you think she might require a toy boy? Maybe a chance for us.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 13:38:27 (UTC)
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Tina
Your prayers will all be granted! Please put your check in the mail.
Ken
You are dead right; I am no commie, although I do enjoy waffling on now and again about the workers and the peasants, and it sure gives Chris the squirts. To me communism is the ultimate in monopoly capitalism and a proven flop.
However it is clear that capitalism is not all that user friendly either with parasites like Lacksmi Mittal and Ricardo Grasso making multi millions, even billions, while the middle income group struggle to survive and the poor get poorer.
I think Tony Blair is on the right track with his search for a middle road or a third option. As Chris rightly says the reducing population of Japan is going to cause an economic problem. I would agree with that as long as they continue on the present socio-economic path. However it could well be an opportunity to rethink our whole system and replace it with something better. In the same way the high oil price may be a blessing in disguise and be a catalyst to the development of eco-friendly power sources.
There is a service organization (Rotary, Round Table, Lions?) that has a code of fair play for its members, which says that to be acceptable, a business deal should benefit both participants. Would one of our members please post this on our board?
Chris
Its true! I do have too much time on my hands; but rich; not until the Rand gets back to parity with the dollar.
Under the colonial Government only 7% of NR was allocated for settled by non-indigenous people on a 99-year lease. The rest remained as tribal land, game reserves etc. As Kevin said Kaunda changed this to freehold and then back to 99-year leasehold. I do not know of any land invasions Zim style, but maybe Kevin could clarify this.
Where Kaunda went much further than Mugs was in nationalizing 51% of the mines and industries which as we all know turned out to be a disaster. It certainly collapsed my fledgling building company. I had a block of 6 shops in Ndola, a bakery in Chingola, and another couple of shops in Mufulira on my order book when Kaunda announced the ‘Economic Reforms’ that would take licenses away from non-Zambians in the second class trading areas. My orders were all cancelled the following day.
Maybe one of the causes that contributed to the reversion to leasehold was the famous case of a company that bought a commercial plot in Lusaka. They sub-divided it and sold the one half of it, on the same day, for 3 times the total purchase price. You might say that is good business. I would say it is parasitism. Kaunda announced that in the name of the workers and peasants he was confiscating the whole plot and the ill gotten gains.
Cheers - Doug
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 11:04:17 (UTC)
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Dear Tina if you want I can give you a little sermon once a week on the evils of eating ice cream on Sunday, or closer to my heart have thongs out stripped the French Knicker brigade, it is quite a jolly occasion at my weekly congregation and strangely most of them are young ladies which prompts me to always close my service with a phrase I learnt from the bishop a real gem for me actually, it is, and would all young girls wishing to become mothers see me in the vestry after the service, i will close for now with the hope that you may see the light, it is red at the end of the street that I reside in and come and join me to help in the administrations that I need daily to survive the rigours of this cruel world, bless you my child, ST John.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 05:42:19 (UTC)
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Craig and Arthur I have sent you both quite a few EMs of late off my address system which used to be no problem, but now all are returned, have I missed some thing? I have been sending to Heather but of late no reply I now know why thanks. Johnny
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 05:15:55 (UTC)
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Saint Doug
I don't know about this saint thing...Don't you have to be dead first? And then you have to be canonized, but you are used to that since people take pot shots at you all the time and you quite enjoy the fray.
OK, so you can start a trend for living saints...
So now you are a saint you will have to be very good. (but I'm quite sure like St. Johnny of the Thong and Wet T-Shirts you receive no complaints). Still, you see if you do not keep up your saintly reputation you run the risk of being hoist on your own pineapple and then you would have to sit around on it all day like St. Simon Stilites who spent all his time up a pillar. Plus Catholics will go around praying to you now you are a saint and all those requests to find their lost kitty or car keys or let their viagra work really well or help their horse to win at the next races could get annoying.
And while we are at it I'm praying for my investments to do really well and I'll send you a list of all the more private requests.
Amen
Tina
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 04:54:46 (UTC)
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Re English abroad, we had a quite delightful experience of same when I was a youth. An English couple rented a holiday home for a month or two in our wee village. One day the local postman, Hugh The Post , ( ex piper Argylls, six years service during WW2, not to be trifled with ) was delivering mail to same. On being attacked and bitten a couple of times by their dog in the front garden, the lady apologised with a certain restraint, " He does not like strangers, you see" . As the unfortunate dog was doing a double mid-air turn via the well polished boot he casually inquired, " And who is the stranger?" Enuff said.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 00:11:10 (UTC)
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Chris: In the words of Marcus Aurileus in his meditation on the Stoic Principal: "There is no right or wrong. There are only consequences".
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, July 09, 2004 at 23:16:02 (UTC)
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Hi Ken,
See just what a dangerous subject this is?
Two issues that cross my mind
1- Polio, just on the brink of extinction and now roaring back - thanks to some Muslim zealots in West Africa. I wonder who is wrong here? Me, or them?
2- In Japan there is "natural" population reduction, brought about by a combination of cultural and economic factors. The average number of off spring in Japan is something like 1.6, and that number, in the absence of any normal labor related immigration, the population peaked about 10 years ago at 123 million. In the next 40 years or so, they predict that the level will drop to around 80 million. If that were to be true, there will be one almighty economic implosion there. THey will either need to start some serious breeding, or open the doors to foreign labor. Neither option will be easy for them to accept.
If you really want to study racism, try Japan!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Friday, July 09, 2004 at 22:54:15 (UTC)
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Chris: Your reply to Doug Grewar's posting regarding population etc. requires comment. I have read and re-read Doug's offering and do not consider him in the least of Communist persuasion. I would opine that, in the main, he was merely making apposite observations as to what will eventually happen to the human race, if we don't stop screwing around with Nature. No sooner have certain diseases been eradicated, or at least controlled, but up pops something else to bite us on the bottom. I firmly believe that certain medical conditions have been, if not brought about by outre lifestyles, certainly nurtured by too high a degree of irresponsibility.Doug does not propone that all the miscreants in this respect be shot, or just left to rot. He is merely stressing the fact that Mother Nature is no dummy, and that we all should be cognizant of her powers. Regarding his comment on euthanasia, I had a brother who spent four years in a sanatorium. It was patently obvious to all, that he would never recover. My late Mother begged the Medical Staff to "just let him go". Maybe they were being faithful to the Hippocratic oath, maybe not. All I know is that it broke her heart to see her son in a vegetative state. I sincerely pray that you never find yourself in this 'predicament'.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Friday, July 09, 2004 at 22:11:49 (UTC)
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Doug,
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