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Rugger
For those enthusiasts, here is a clip from Planet Rugby:
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"Part of South Africa's problem was their inability to win possession. They lost seven line-outs to the more competitive Wallabies, and threw one in skew. They also lost a sloppy scrum. In addition, they again conceded more penalties than their opponents."
I know the Seorf Efrikens are crying big tears today, but at the end of the day, they were beaten by a superior team, some poor reffing notwithstanding. The bokkes first try was from a forward pass, but no one is talking about that?
So Douggie, old fruit, who do you say will end up winning the Tri Nations? (try to be objective will you)
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 21:58:23 (UTC)
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There was a follow up to Tina's news flash about Mazabuka the man did appeal and after spending 3 weeks in Bwana Makuba his sentence was revoked, but on being told of this he said he wanted to serve his full sentence as the oral sex in there was out of this world.
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 20:57:01 (UTC)
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Tales from Mazabuka.
Does anyone know the ultimate outcome to this strange September 2001 tourist tale?
Friday, 26 October 2001
Granted it's only 6 years with hard labor but still....
Wolfgang Seifarth, 65, was expected to appeal the sentence handed down in the southern Zambian town of Mazabuka, 60 miles from the capital Lusaka. Magistrate Aloysius Mapate said in his ruling that oral sex was ``a gross abomination against Zambian laws.''
``This has to stop. You are now sentenced to six years (in jail) with labor,'' Mapate said, adding that he had been lenient because Seifarth was a first offender. ``Customs of other countries, which are an abomination here, must not be allowed to be practiced by tourists or anybody,'' Mapate added.
A 22-year-old Zambian woman, Pumulo Mbangweta, who performed the sex act on him in a bush near Mazabuka, was not charged, according to court records....(Reuters)
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 18:41:23 (UTC)
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John Whitham.
As the Message Board is brand new from midnight tonight I will post a reply re NHI (not NI) in the new month. When I saw your reply I had to wait until I could see your profile (especially DoB) to see if you really were pulling my P#####. For the record I also have absolutely nothing against genuine asylum seekers being given refuge and help and/or whatever is needed in any country in the world, but what I don't understand is once the fear/problems that they previously experienced have been removed, why are the asylum seekers not returned (even by First Class Air Travel) to their country of origin. Perhaps its too simple???
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 16:46:02 (UTC)
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Marion
Garneton was named after Garnet Richards. His daughter, Claire Webb lives in Midrand where I live, and actually Garnet passed away here a few years ago. Please contact me if you want me to get hold of Claire for more info - I believe she will have a lot of info at her fingertips.
Doug,
I was hoping that you wouldn't post a half-time score - you put the mockers on it! No wonder Gregan was born in Kitwe - he really is CHIRPY! Wonder why Kitwe folk are like that? Okay - I know - it's the Kafue water! OK - we lost again, but we had a blind referee - that obstruction against du Toit probably changed the game.
Jill
Jill Aplin [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
South Africa
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:36:56 (UTC)
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Hartley,
You're wonderful! Thanks so much for giving us the link to photos you're taken of zambia! What a terrific way to reminisce about our homeland.
Regards.
Helen D'Cruz [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Temecula, California, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 15:05:11 (UTC)
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This fellow goes to see a psychiatrist ( in Mazabuka ) and says " Doc , How come I keep thinking I'm a Welsh singer ? "
The Doc replies " Its not unusual .... "
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 14:31:58 (UTC)
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Scotty Campbell - a likely lad!
I remember Scotty from the early 70s in Ndola. He was a Computer Operator at RCM when Alan and I arrived from England. We worked there, too, in the Computer department until Alan was killed in a car crash in Lusaka in 1973. Alan was in the Ndola Motor Club, and I learnt to fly at the Ndola Flying Club with Owen Bell (does anyone have any news of him?).
I've been in Australia since 1981, with son Robin and now a brand new granddaughter (gorgeous).
R.I.P. Scotty.
Eilean Fairholme (née Badger, formerly Clarke) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 12:00:39 (UTC)
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Craig
Well done! Did the bobojan spanner help or did you just boot the computer.
It is raining in Perth and.......the Boks are leading 16 to 15 at half time. At first the boks walked all over the wallabies but then they caught a wake up and fought back. It is Kitwe born Australian captain George Gregan's 100'th international match. This makes him only the third man to acheive this, and he is still jumping around like a grasshopper.
One idiot on the Bok team cost us a 3 point penalty by fouling George just on half time. Bleery dom donder!
Back to the goggle box!
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 11:02:08 (UTC)
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WELL DONE CRAIG!
Thank you. You can now go nigh-nighs...
Sue Coughlan (née Forde) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, WA, Australia
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 10:25:57 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 6 (FINAL)
The Names Directory is back and fully functional. You can now edit your entry, join the GNR, and view the details for individual members, in addition to the other functions that were down for only a short time.
I will post some more details here later, but in the meantime it wouldn't hurt to check your entry to ensure that it looks as it should. This is especially the case for members who have joined since June 21st or members who have updated their entries since that date. If you changed your password since June 21st, you will find that your new password does not work because that data is not backed up and so was not restored. In such cases, and in any case where you need to retrieve your lost or forgotten user ID and/or password, please use the password-retrieval form.
Thanks for your patience over the last 36 or so hours.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 09:16:48 (UTC)
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Hi
More photos. These I have a reasonable chance of pinpointing when they were taken as they are of some of the decorations around Lusaka getting ready for the Independence celebrations in October 1964.
Also make live easier I have put up an index to the photos I have been posting so all are now available at www.isilwana.net
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 08:37:51 (UTC)
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Two cows are standing next to each other in a field outside Lusaka. Daisy tells Dolly "I was artificially inseminated this morning." "I don't believe you,"said Dolly. "It's true" says Daisy: "no bull!"
Two hydrogen atoms walk into a bar in Ndola. One says, "I've lost an electron." The other says, "Are you sure?" The first replies, "Yep, I'm positive..."
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Saturday, July 31, 2004 at 05:49:53 (UTC)
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Kevin
What could be the reason that you have been so chirpy on the board over the last few weeks?
PS When you send me your password, I will change your email address as requested. Or it will have to wait until I get back and have trawled through my computer to find it from when you sent it to me last time.
Lusakans
Sorry, I know I promised you some updated photos of Lusaka, but I have had a week from hell and am leaving at 6 am tomorrow morning for Shiwa Ngandu and a few days in the North Luangwa National Park with Shiwa Safaris. So they will have to wait until I get back, although I know August is going to be a month from hell too, so it could well be September before they get done.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 22:12:39 (UTC)
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I have been off line for 3 days while Telkom was finding a fault in my line. Talk about withdrawal symptoms!
The problem was caused by high winds and a downpour of 78mm (3"+) in 2 days. This is supposed to be the middle of the dry season and we haven't had such a good rainfall for the last 2 years even in the rainy season. Climate change reaches the platteland!
When I got on line I had about 150 emails most of them junk. Thanks Johnny, Ian, Norman and Alix for the funnies.
Bob, I think that Rotarian 4-way test is excellent, but if you will read back you will see I was just using it to stir Chris up. I had better not say more, because all is pleasantly quiet on the western front.
Arthur, thank for the map of Salisbury. My folks used to live in a house on block 83, Rhodes Avenue, opposite the park in 1958. I was still finishing school in Lusaka but used to go there on holidays. After school and army I worked for a while in Salisbury so the map brings back many happy memories of joyfully misspent youth. Does anyone remember Tiny, the giant barman at the rough Castle Inn who won a drinking contest with an elephant.
Craig, if a computer is stuffing you around what hope have we mere mortals got? I am posting you a bobojan spanner and a 4 pound hammer.
Alix, it's great to hear Jade is following in her Mom's talented footsteps.
Doug Grewar [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vryheid, Natal, South Africa
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 21:11:25 (UTC)
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Marion,
When Dick had his first, memorable, treatment in RSA, his oncologist was Something-or-other Garner-Richards, ex Garneton. He told us that Garneton was named after his father. Dick has just gone to bed otherwise I would have asked him for more details - his memory is so much better than mine!
Hope to see you again around Christmas - if I can locate some reasonable fares. They seem to be pretty high at the moment. Anyway, here's hoping! And if Dick can remember anything more pertinent, I'll let you know.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 20:00:18 (UTC)
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Re: Scotty Campbell
I worked with Scotty for several years in Ndola and we shared a flat for a while. What a scallywag!
One night after work we jumped into Scotty's souped-up Toyota Corolla and headed for Luanshya to find a beer or three. On the way out of town we hit the very last shower of the rainy season, then round the next bend encountered an unlit truck parked on the side of the road. Scotty tried to swerve round it, saw an oncoming car, hit the anchors and the Toyota did a 180 on the wet road and toppled into the ditch. The windscreen fell out and I headed for the gap, trampling all over Scotty on the way out. His bruised ribs ached for weeks afterwards. The car survived and lived to race another day.
RIP Scotty. I suppose this means I can kiss goodbye to the K10 you owe me.
John Whitham [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Windsor, England
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:25:36 (UTC)
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David Hoyle
Like many people you are confusing National Health and National Insurance.
The National Health Service is funded by income tax and is available to all UK residents including, it seems, asylum-seeking Afghan hijackers.
National Insurance is supposedly paid to fund the pitiful UK state pension, but in reality has become just another tax, the proceeds of which are pissed away on things like benefits for asylum-seeking Afghan hijackers.
Sadly the UK is rapidly sinking into a kind of PC-induced madness, which has become worse since Tony and his Cronies took over in '97.
For the record I have nothing against Afghans or genuine asylum seekers.
John Whitham [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Windsor, England
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 15:14:30 (UTC)
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Doug, I saw your query on a service club's saying. I am a Rotarian (PHF,PP,PHSM) since 1991. Rotary has a Four Way Test which is read at most mealtimes to remind us to do business ethically.
The Four Way Test
Of the things we think, say and do.
Is it the truth
Is it fair to all concerned
Will it build goodwill and better friendships
Will it be beneficial to all concerned.
A metal manufacturer in USA was going broke, many decades ago and wondered if his Company was being really fair to customers and suppliers. He wrote up the above guidelines one evening and instructed his staff to apply them with immediate effect. The Company saw a steady turnaround and soon returned to prosperity. It may seem like pie in the sky to some, but try applying these criteria to your business dealings and you will be surprised what the outcome is. None of us in business are angels these days but a little extra ethical practise does work!
Any other Rotarians out there?
Bob Gillies [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 12:57:09 (UTC)
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Johnny
They turned down my ejector seat/transporter combination. It was for use in the White House, Congress and the Senate or on the Campaign trail.
When a state or national representative makes a statement which would result in endangering the world, the lives of ordinary Americans or removing more money from the pay packet of the average Joe, a button is pressed. The offender immediately find him or herself in the mountains of Afghanistan or the middle of Baghdad at a check point.
It was felt that there would be no one left to run the country if this innovation was employed.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 12:44:11 (UTC)
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Craig when you are listening on your airwaves to the pilots talking when you hear a lady talking very loudly who is flying a helicopter that could be one of our members, she has just presented her latest invention to the Pentagon it is an Ejector Seat for Helicopters and has high hopes of making her fortune with it. Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 09:36:43 (UTC)
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Tina
Thanks for passing on the info to Liz
Lisa
Lisa D'Souza (née Doogan) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 09:17:46 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 5
I am making progress on restoring data that was updated since the last back up and am nearly finished -- just two more time-consuming steps to go. But for now I am going to bed, and will finish in the morning.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 08:33:22 (UTC)
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Rachel
Common sense is not completely dead as is shown in an article that I have taken the liberty to copy from.
“MUNICH - Despite their protests, Germany's workers are starting to accept that they may have to work longer hours. Will their French counterparts be next?
“A VICTORY for common sense,” was how Germany's chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, greeted DaimlerChrysler's deal last week with employees at the Mercedes car plants in southern Germany. Workers agreed to receive lower pay in future, with longer working hours for some, in return for keeping their jobs until 2012. Because of union-led industrial action, this was not quite what Daimler had sought—a move to a 40-hour week, which Siemens, another big company, had won shortly before. Nonetheless, it was indeed further significant evidence of an outbreak of common sense among German workers. And about time too. German firms desperately need some labour market flexibility if their domestic operations are to remain at all competitive”
Craig
Heather is indeed partially responsible for my woes as she was going to change my contact address several months (even weeks) ago. Sorry Heather, I know that you will get round to doing it sometime and I am not holding my breath.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 08:27:10 (UTC)
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I write a newsletter for the 'Itimpi Residents Association' and would like to do an article on the history of Garneton.
Does any one have any information on how this area started? I have heard it was zoned as retirement village for miners in the early 50's but would appreaciate any information e.g. clubs that used to be active, previous residents, how the name came about etc. etc
Marion Mould
marionm@microlink.zm
Marion Mould (née Purvis) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Kitwe, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 08:07:38 (UTC)
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Kevin,
Sounds like you must have Heather configuring your e-mail for you.
Birds? You mean of the non-feathered variety? After recent experiences I have sworn off of them, I'm afraid. Any chirpiness on my part is definitely not related to that. Don't get me started.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 07:23:06 (UTC)
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To all who knew him
So sad to hear the news about Scotty Campell, I knew him from the days he left school, and last met him and had lunch with him at the Lusaka Club in 1998, what a great guy and character, he had not an easy life for one reason and another, I for one though, as so often in life not in constant touch will miss him sadly and offer my sincere condolences to his family
Rest in Peace my old friend'
Frank
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 06:55:58 (UTC)
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Craig
You’re extraordinary chirpy these days. Do I detect a bird in the picture somewhere?????.
I received some e-mails recently from members through the “contact” on the GNR, these unfortunately were deleted before I had chance to read them, I know that one was to do with swimming. If I haven’t replied to you please resend to me, my old address is valid till tomorrow.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 06:11:43 (UTC)
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Linda,
Yes, they are live links (although all pointing to the same "Function is Off-line" page at the moment) and once the problem is fixed you will be able to click on the links in your saved Word document and view the individual Names Directory entries, just as you can for any member whose link appears somewhere on the site -- e.g., in the signatures of the messages posted here, or in the specific lists on the main Names Directory page.
However, I was planning to make the entire list available once again anyway with the next update of various scripts used to display the Names Directory, so this is just an unintentional preview. In fact, it was while working on this project that I made the mistake which lead to the current situation.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 03:56:26 (UTC)
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Craig:
Just out of curiosity, I cut and pasted the 1645 names from the Names Directory to Word. They appear to be "live" links, although I know at this point there is a glitch and I cannot connect to the profiles through them. Does this mean that when you have the problem fixed, if I click on the link of any name in my Word doc, I can access their profile. If so, have I opened Pandora's Box here? I could not remember if you need to sign in with your password in order to get to the Names Directory normally.
It's 9:46 pm in Texas and just thought I would throw that out to you if you are checking the Board tonight.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 02:53:34 (UTC)
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Hartley; Re your photos of the Lusaka schools, I was much to old to have attended, but was billeted in the Boys School which you photographed. This was around 1961/62. The most amazing co-incidence was the fence which you captured on film the at the back of the playing fields was that which we used to climb over at night to go down to The Grand Bar, it does not look in better shape now , ( the fence ) , than it was then, except a lot higher before. ( Or so it seemed when returning to barracks in the wee small hours) Up at six to begin another hards graft doing nothing! No wonder I was very tempted to join The Rhodesian Light which was being formed at that time but went back to farming in the Valley. Also amazed at so little postings of the best days of our life at Llewelin, when such a cross section of society and the three countries met together and endured the bullshit, on which looking back was quite comical when you got used to it.( Excepting 252s) Regards Colin.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 02:09:42 (UTC)
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Craig, good one. Should be lots of fun for a change of pace just listening to the routine chatter! Was reminded of this hoary old story:
A DC-10 had an exceedingly long landing rollout after landing with his approach speed just a little too high in San Jose.
Tower: "American 751 Heavy, turn right at the end if able. If not able, take the Guadalupe exit off of Highway 101 back to the airport."
Jade, congratulations on winning your art competition. Have fun spending the $20 and keep on with the art.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 02:05:06 (UTC)
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Tina and other Flying Fundis,
I know I'm supposed to be fixing the database (I am) but I have just discovered a really cool Web site, which of course has nothing to do with Northern Rhodesia or Zambia but there has been some aviation-related discussion recently. It's called LiveATC.net, and you can listen to streaming broadcasts of pilot/controller communications over the Internet. They have a couple of dozen airports listed, mostly in the States of course, but right now I am listening to various frequencies out of Perth clear as a bell! Too cool.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Friday, July 30, 2004 at 01:45:13 (UTC)
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Hi Lisa
I had passed your request on to my ex-classmate Liz this morning since she is married to Sue's brother.
Yes, for her, love is a many splendored Tring.
(So of course she is now Liz Tring). She was passing the info to her sister-in-law.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 23:00:29 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 4
Some good news: I have determined that, due to the existence of back ups, no data has been lost. However, it is going to take some time to restore the data misplaced in and missing from the main database. For that reason the two functions that make changes to the database (joining and editing) will remain off-line until the database has been restored. Because some individual records have also been corrupted, the ability to view entries will also remain off-line until the database has been restored.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 22:27:35 (UTC)
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Frank
I used to spend a few days and nights on the Hell Run repairing and keeping some of the trucks on the road. We would sometimes have to camp in the bush until we fixed them.
By the time we got back to kitwe, you could not tell if one was white, black, pink or purple. We were glad to see the end of it.
Nicky Kontou [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 20:20:54 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE 3
All functions of the Names Directory have been returned to service with the exception of the form for joining the GNR, the form to edit your Names Directory entry, and the detail pages for each member's entry.
Estimated return to normality: At least 12 and possibly 24-36 hours. Updates will continue to be posted here.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 20:08:51 (UTC)
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Some very sad news received today. Scotty Campbell, ex Luanshya, Ndola and most recently, Lusaka, passed away on Monday in Lusaka. He had been having treatment in Joburg until a few weeks ago, seemed to be doing well and then very suddenly deteriorated. He was a very good friend of ours for many, many years and will be greatly missed. Our deepest sympathy to his wife, Ann.
Lizd [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 19:42:48 (UTC)
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David Hoyle: Maybe the shape of things to come in the U.K.
The following is a transcript ( almost ) of an application by a single mother for Welfare in the State of Mississippi.
Q. "How many children do you have?"
A. " Sixteen"
Q. " Boys or girls?"
A. " Eight boys and eight girls".
Q. " What are the boy's names?"
A. " They're all called Jamie".
Q. " What are the girls' names?"
A. " They're all called Jemima".
Q. " Why do all the boys and all the girls have the same
names?"
A. " Makes things easy. When I say, Jamie clean up
the yard and take out the trash, all the boys do
their share. When I say, Jemima, sweep up and
dust, they all do their share.
Q. " What if you want one in particular?"
A. " Then I just call them by their last names!"
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 19:38:10 (UTC)
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Anyone remember the Illions of Livingstone?
Illions Jewellers?
Specifically, son Mike, of "Mikes Kitchens" fame.
Also the McFeats - Vic falls Power Station?
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 19:16:07 (UTC)
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hi Frank My dad regularly went on the hell run and we have some old photos somewhere, I remember spending the night on the floor of a truck on the way to Lusaka where he would drop me off
Sandy White (née Greasley) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wallingford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:58:31 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY UPDATE
The problem does not affect posting here on the message board. However, all other functions associated with the Names Directory are off-line. This includes joining the GNR, updating your Names Directory entry, sending messages to other members through the Web-based interface, viewing entries, and viewing the list of recent, recently updated, and pending entries, and entries with bad e-mail addresses.
In the meantime you can enjoy an unintended side effect of this annoyance, which is a complete list of the membership at the bottom of the page. However, you cannot see the entries for any members or contact any of them.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:29:31 (UTC)
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NAMES DIRECTORY DOWN
Due to a screw up on my part the Names Directory is down. I will get it back up as soon as possible, and let you know the situation when I do.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:24:13 (UTC)
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Hartley,
The rally pictures were GREAT. Brought back a few memories! I had forgotten what the front of Inter-Continental Hotel looked like.
Thanks.
On the subject of common sense, I was once told by my science teacher at Hillcrest: "common sense is usually very uncommon"
Regards
Bikash Paul [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 18:17:46 (UTC)
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Common Sense.
I feel the posting from Rachel Mounsey of Leeds deserves some form of acknowledgement which for whatever reason, the members didn't think necessary.
I just happen to think that common sense is only available at a premium in this present world.
I accept that I live in an area that is not considered up to the "norm" by those living outside it and I also accept that my line of communication to the real world is limited to satelite television (News from Star, Orbit and CNN) and "The Weekly Telegraph".
Back to the subject of Common Sense.
Please can anybody, from anywhere in the world explain in simple terms how Afgan hijackers can be given rights and free UK State benefits and housing because "they acted under duress". I'm under duress because I am not allowed medical treatment in UK even though I have paid NHI (National Health Insurance) contributions all my life???
I have thought very carefully before I posted this. This is not a question of losing common sense this is a question of going into a (LEGAL) realm of absolute madness which I feel the majority of people in UK are now accepting as the norm but I'm not sure why.
David Hoyle [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Muscat, Oman
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 17:32:34 (UTC)
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Lisa,
Welcome. You might want to try contacting Bob Tring to see if he can help you locate Sue.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 17:22:59 (UTC)
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Hi
Just reading the postings and thinking of our time in Zambia, when we entered the country at Livingstone I was disturbed to be asked by the officer how many miles to the gallon my car did, I was'nt aware of petrol rationing, he give us some petrol coupons and advised us to try and get some more in Lusaka, and also never never reverse the car, was that a law?
When we arrived in Kitwe I parked my car on some waste ground and this kind Zambian said he would wash the car for a pittance, I locked the car then went to The mine offices to report, when I came back the lad was just completing the valeting, the car doors was still locked but a lot of my gear had gone. He denied any involvment welcome to Zambia.
Having said that we had a fantastic time and would love to go back for a visit.
Anyone invoved in the so-called hell run, Dar a Salaam to Kapiri Inposhe? (not sure if thats the right spelling) some of the expatriates on the copperbelt bought shares in Trucks to make a quick fortune many of the trucks did'nt make it.
Living in Chililabombwe during the petrol shortage we could always pop over the border into Zaire and buy petrol from the local villagers, mind you had to be on your guard the rascals would sell you a can of water with petrol floating on the top.
TTFN Frank & Ethel
Frank Prior [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oldham, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 14:02:40 (UTC)
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Hartley
My daughter has one of those phones and she finds it very helpful, esp the video.....she has sent me photos, and I have sent them to my email and the photo turned out ok to use as my wallpaper !
Craig..you still have friends out there..giggles
oh and just one last word.. Congratulations Jade I have competition now..my darling daughter jade won 2nd prize in an art exhibition today......her art work was very visual and unusual she had to draw her face not looking at it and then use other meduim (paint dyes etc) her title was "I see you"
it must be the "African genes " as there are some wonderful artists from Zambia and other places....I am always looking forward to seeing the art work that Heather uses on her Lowdown each month and her Katemba website.
ali
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 11:43:16 (UTC)
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Hi All
Its great to read back all the interesting stories it takes me back to the great times in Zambia Lusaka
I know alot of you's may remember me as i must have booked your flights at some stage or even taken you into the aircraft i am still in the airline field this time not Lusaka But Heathrow
If any one knows Sue Tring please ask her to contact me. We were very good friends. We used to love dancing to the wariors and having her dad or my sister drive us to the disco.
The last time we were together was when i had just given birth to my first son who is now 24yrs this was in Feb 1980 at St theresa's Hospital wimbledon.
Sue has a daughter and named her Lisa after me.
I would like to thank Owen Milner for introducing me to GNR.
Lisa D'souza (formerly Doogan)
Lisa D'Souza (née Doogan) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
London, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 11:26:29 (UTC)
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Hi (again)
I have just found a few minutes and have posted the photos of the National Assembly Building. These can be found at www.isilwana.net/national_assembly.
Linda
The name Peter Alexander does ring a bell but like a lot of people from back then trying to put a face to the name doesn't come easy.
Heather
What you need to do is invest in one of the new mobile phones, the camera on the latest batch take a photo which is fine for the Internet. I recently obtained a Nokia 7610 which has a 1 megapixel resolution (1152 x 864 pixels) camera. It also has a separate storage card so in future I should never be without a camera. So saying all this I have yet to fully try it out.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 09:58:24 (UTC)
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Heather,
Jislaaike, now I have you and Cape Town Chukky threatening me with GBH! I must be doing something right.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 09:04:26 (UTC)
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Hello
It is great to see so many ex GNR are all in communication.
I grew up in Livingstone(1955 - 1966). Went to Holy Cross Convent.
The happiest memories are of the years in Livingstone.
My family and I are busy planning a trip to the GNR which we hope to achieve before the middle of 2006. Have not been back since 1966. My sister and her husband have been twice over the last 3 years. 4X4 trekking.
Hope to hear from anyone who remembers me.
Cheers
Robbie
Robert Cloke [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Durban, KwaZulu Natal, South Africa
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 08:39:23 (UTC)
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Craig
Sounds OK to me. But remember Niccolo Machiavelli said 'If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared'
I am changing it to 'If Heather has to get her revenge on Craig, it WILL be so severe that his vengeance will not be feared'
But as for now, it is way past your bedtime ! So go to bed !
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 08:16:09 (UTC)
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Alan Tomlinson
great to see so many ex-Ndolans crawling out of the woodwork! Welcome!
Thanks also for the link to the excellent feature on Ndola - fascinating reading.
regards
Barry
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 08:05:55 (UTC)
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Mo,
Touché! :)
Heather,
There's a caricature brewing in my mind as a result of one of your comments. I just have to find a couple of original pictures, do a little "photoshopping", and post it. Like Arthur, I will keep it in reserve for when you least expect it.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 07:58:44 (UTC)
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Peter Conway, Fred Anderson, Arthur Adey, Stuart Roberts, Roger Welsh, Neil Taylor, Mark Trevor, Daniel Regan
Best wishes on your birthday
Hartley
Yes, that is correct. On Sunday, I was driving into Lusaka on the GNR from Nsobe, the sun was going down and as I came over one of the hills, in the distance was the building, bright and bold, reflecting the sunlight.
But where was my camera?
In the office !
Yes, there was a club house out at Eureka, but that was closed down at some stage (late 70's or early 80's). The LMC is now, I think, in the showgrounds although the Motorcross track is at Eureka, but at a different spot.
Christina Dillon
No, the Lusaka Hotel was not originally call the Grand Hotel. The Grand Hotel was on the same side of Cairo Road, but further south, opposite where Keyes/CBC/ZCBC was, on the corner of what is now Katungila Road (can'r remember what the old name was) but in the same street as the Twentieth Century Cinema was.
The Grand Hotel was owned by the Galaun family. Still is as far as I know, although it no longer operates as a hotel.
As I said, the Lusaka Hotel was originally Counsell's Hotel. I am not sure who owned it in between but it eventually was owned by Lonrho and is now owned by a company called Intu Africa (no website)
I've been trying to get to Chipongwe for the last few months, but as Cecil John Rhodes said,'so much to do, so little time'
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 06:55:45 (UTC)
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Ndola is 100 years old this year …..
After lurking for several years, this is my first post ….. motivated by )my) perceived shortage of contributions from ex-Ndola people!
This is a link to a very interesting article, published 13 July 2004, on www.allafrica.com , detailing the history of Ndola.
I love the reference to the old “European Hospital”, now the Psychiatric Hospital ….!! Makes one think. Are we all mad - for having left?
http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/200407130459.html
Alan Tomlinson [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Randburg, Gauteng, South Africa
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 06:42:57 (UTC)
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The Lusaka Hotel was originally called the Grand Hotel, I think. I have very happy memories of it up to the age of 5 - 1958, I remember the chicken curry they used to serve it was yummy, also does anyone remember going to Chipongwi, probably spelt it wrong but we used to go there and have a great time.
Christina Dillon (née Hulme) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Robina, Queensland, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 05:48:02 (UTC)
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Thank you Craig! Most people just say "I see you're still alive" ..... not many say it's NICE! ;)
Mo
Moira Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 03:13:40 (UTC)
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Moira,
Nice to see that you're still alive. :)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 03:05:53 (UTC)
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LINDA ...
"They even have a product that is a mixture of Ponds 7 Day Beauty Plan and SPF 45. It gives you a face that glows like the sun and feels like a baby's bum."
Does that mean that one can make the sun shine out of one's arse by wearing this stuff????
Regards,
Mo
Moira Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Brisbane, Australia
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 02:42:24 (UTC)
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All this talk about sunscreen. Here in the States there's a whole s--tload of numbers just to confuse the proletariat. Wanna good sunscreen and a tan to boot?- try Brylcreem, yes the hairdressing, only don't go in my pool 'til you've showered off. Believe me, it works (and doesn't cost a fortune). Just another supersaver from a canny Scotsman.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 01:45:16 (UTC)
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"Ag sistog, Marlene, what a helluva job this is ,
the boss won't even give us time to go and have a zizz......................"
Tina ... well done ! One of my favourite lines of the 60's ...
Doug Waybush [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Maryland, USA, and London, England
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 01:12:05 (UTC)
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Charlie,
Very punny. :) You would be confusing the Headmaster with Peter, who just sent me a picture of him in the Toronto Hooters. He certainly gets around!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 01:05:48 (UTC)
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Hartley:
Thanks for the great photos of the rally. By any chance did you know Peter Alexander? He and I were good friends at one time and he was a rally car racer too. I know that he died of an allergic reaction to bee stings.
George:
Your posting brought back memories of peeling the longest piece of skin, just like you said. When I was a kid, I think we used Sea and Ski sun cream, if I remember. The SPF factor of 15 is the lowest we get here I think. It goes up to 45 or some such number now. They even have a product that is a mixture of Ponds 7 Day Beauty Plan and SPF 45. It gives you a face that glows like the sun and feels like a baby's bum.
Explanation about my posting re: Scotland
Mention the word Scot and drink in the same posting and it is amazing how many people want to catch up with me when/if I come to Scotland... grin. The situation is that I am considering a job offer that will entail me having to make a trip over to England, Scotland and Ireland and it will probably be late November, if I come. It was lovely to hear from so many people and I hope that I can make it. Of course, that is if I can bring enough money to cover the rounds I'm going to have to buy for all you drunkies.
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Thursday, July 29, 2004 at 00:39:46 (UTC)
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Peeling it all off in Durban
I have just returned from holiday in Spain (smart move Carole!) unpacking my case I found that I had:
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 15
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 12
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 8
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 6
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 4
1 part used bottle of sun cream SPF 2
When we used to holiday in Durban in the early 1960s we had never even heard of sun cream - after being couped up in a car with 2 adults and 3 other children for a week on our journey from the Copperbelt to the coast, (those journeys are still chewed over at family gatherings!) we hit the beach big style. Once the cosies were on, it was case of beach all day, every day, for a month. We burned and peeled (remember the competitions to peel off the logest bit of skin without breaking it?), then burned and peeled some more. Strangely enough I don't remember the pain, maybe I just surpressed the memory, and secretly at work inside my head my subconscious is saying 'buy more cream', 'buy more cream', 'go on, explore the entire factor spectrum' Did I get burned in Spain? Nah, but I did have a hell of a bad allergic reaction to the chemical filters!
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 22:49:56 (UTC)
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Yukon Pete must be asleep, he normally spies these things first - re earlier discussions relating to Ndola airport - checkout eBay item below:
Airport Ndola Northern Rhodesia Photograph Africa Item number: 3739312831
George Maxwell [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Edinburgh, Scotland
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 22:27:45 (UTC)
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Chris
Obviously you need to scan the slides first. Most flatbed scanners have the facility to do this these days. I have an Epson 4870 Photo but also have a canon that is specific to scanning from slides and negatives.
To organise the photos is easy. I use a product called Imagewalker, www.imagewalker.com, which not only allows for the reduction of photos but also produces the web pages from the photos. The photo reduction is quite good as you can copy them into a separate folder and tell the program to reduce them all to a given size. If you accept the HTML that the program produces, and don't go in and change too many things, to produce a web page for say 20 photos will take no more than 5 minutes. Once you have produced the web page all you have to do is upload it to your web space.
Yes I was a member of the Lusaka Motor Club. If my memory serves me correctly after meeting down at the flying club we then moved to the Municipal Sports Club before we built our own club house out at Eureka, behind the Hindsons house on the corner of the Blue Boar road. We used to meet out there on a Wednesday evening.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 19:37:11 (UTC)
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Bill Hunt,
Thanks for the contact info. I’ve emailed Denis.
Craig H,
When you wrote “The Headmaster and I just might be in CaHoots” - were you referring to the Canadian Hooters franchise?
Regards
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 18:41:04 (UTC)
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Hartley,
Thanks for posting those rally photos. It was mush seeing the guys in Safari Suits, and the (at least one) chicks in Miniskirts.
Were you a member of the Lusaka Motor Club by any chance? (Used to share the facility with the Lusaka Flying Club)
Also, can you share with us how you were able to post the photos in such an organised and easy to view manner? I believe I have several boxes of slides taken in Zambia in the late sixties. Yukon Pete advises that these can be digitally transferred on to a CD, but by making them available the way you did, will relieve the Sarky man to concentrate on his Sarky business, and us the ability to breeze through the photos.
Kabanga you are a PC technocrat fundi!
Chris Tamm [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Hilo, Hawaii, United States
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 18:40:22 (UTC)
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Hi
I have just posted the photos taken of some of the cars that took part in the Zambia National Rally held in 1971, 1972 and 1973.
They can be found at www.isilwana.net/national_rally
I know that this is not of great interest to everone but some of you may recognise the cars/drivers and be able to help with names.
I am sorting out some photos of the National Assembly that were taken while it was being built and not long after it was completed, will post these soon. Heather please confirm that I am right, it is the National Assembly Building that has the copper roof.
I am also going through a number of photos taken of Kariba I think in the early 60's. Once again I will let you know when these are available.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Binfield, Berkshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 17:17:11 (UTC)
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Hi,
Another piece of "homespun wisdom" sent to me by a friend:
GOODBYE TO AN OLD FRIEND
Today we mourn the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered for cultivating such value lessons as knowing when to come in from the rain, why the early bird catches the worm, and that life is not always fair.
Common Sense lived by simple financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, and a teacher fined for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer Aspirin to pupils. but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted an abortion.
Common Sense finally gave up the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
Common Sense gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, spilled it in her lap and received a huge settlement.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion, his daughter, Responsibility and his son, Reason.
He is survived by two step-brothers, My Rights and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral as so few realised that he was gone. If you still know him, pass this on, if not, join the majority and do NOTHING.
Go well.......Rachel
Rachel Mounsey [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Leeds, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 14:29:52 (UTC)
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Peter,
I bought a "white box" (as it's apparently called) from or assembled by Touch Systems, but it's really an Asus with a Touch label on it. I'll send you the details via e-mail... when....
However, as I mentioned, the problem is with the Intel wireless, and it looks like this is a problem across the board with many Centrino-based computers as I have seen the same problems with Dell computers posted on the Web, including on the Dell site. Don't know about IBMs though.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 13:15:34 (UTC)
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Hi Craig...
What kind of laptop did you buy???
Off to the Toronto Hooters today with my son. Will e-mail you photos later,,,,
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 11:34:25 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thank you for the information on the Lusaka Hotel and the trouble you took to post the photos. I must have walked past there so many times (in the dim and very distant past) but have no recollection.
It would be brilliant if you could update the photographs posted by Hartley. Don't worry about the spirit level.... from the UK, any pics are good pics!
John Evans
John Evans [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Chester, Cheshire, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 08:06:31 (UTC)
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Ken Fernie
Thank you for those deep and true reminders, though you give credit, qyite rightly to George Carlin you deserve thanks from all of us for bringing these thoughts to our attention, Thank you.
Frank.
Frank Yoxall [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Woking, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:50:56 (UTC)
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Ahhhh, at least the phone system works. :) Obviously not running Windows.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:44:43 (UTC)
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Craig
As I said to Arthur - it's quite peaceful because that young whippersnapper can't answer back - for once, Arthur and I are in control
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:31:41 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks for your concern about my e-mail. No, it's not sorted yet. Actually, the problem is not the e-mail; the problem is with one of the drivers for my Intel wireless network card (and I am pursuing that avenue) but it manifests itself as the "blue screen of death" every time I try to send an e-mail message. However, the support people for my notebook didn't call me back today so I will try another route before I go to bed. I will try using a wired network tomorrow if all else fails, as I can't manage like this indefinitely.
The timing of Ken's post was appropriate. These devices are supposed to simplify our lives, yet in reality they make life a pain in the rear when they fail.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 06:24:16 (UTC)
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David Gibb, John Whitham, Jimmy Churchil, Lynne Paterson, Ian Hugo
Best wishes on your birthday
Bill Hunt
Only replied last night by email which you should have received by now. And sent an email to Craig asking for the email address, but he is unable to respond because ..... because ..... because .....
Craig
Have you sorted your email out yet? Mine is now sorted.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 05:54:15 (UTC)
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Sheeesh no one said anything.......
Doug - Lola Palooza and Myra Kisorsome should be contacting you shortly via the GNR. Sounds like it should be a merry meeting.
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 04:20:59 (UTC)
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The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more
knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness. We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and
pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things.
We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudices. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.These are the times of fast foods and slow
digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips,disposablediapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete. Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side. Remember, to give a warm hug to the one
next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all, mean it.
A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you. Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.
Thank you most sincerely George Carlin. He wrote this after the passing of his dear wife. We might all consider having a look at these observations.
Ken Fernie [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Irvine, California, United States
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 23:34:08 (UTC)
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Carolyn,
Thanks for your post. However, I'd like to make you aware of a couple of items:- This message board is not a medium for free advertising, for members or for anyone else. If you have a Web site for your business you are welcome, like the many other members who have done so, to add its address to your Names Directory entry and let members (and anyone else) discover your business that way. You can also write as much as you want about your business in your entry.
- That basic rule of Internet etiquette (or "netiquette") stated, I am not against active members mentioning their businesses here if it is in context with what is being discussed on the message board at the time. I do not appreciate people joining this site just for the purpose of posting an advertisement on this message board, and have suspended members for doing so. While you didn't just join, this is the only message you have posted (to the best of my knowledge) since joining over a year ago.
I am willing to believe that you were not aware of this common Internet courtesy until now, so will leave it at that.
Chinyerezi Chintu, Trevor Burns, Chris Tyrer, and Malcolm Paterson,
I have received your e-mail messages, but will not be able to respond until I sort out my problem with sending e-mail. Please stand by and thanks for your patience.
Bill,
Strange that you did not receive my reply, as it did go out before my current problems with sending e-mail. All I said was thanks, and that I would get in touch with Bev Pullon. If you think that the Pullons may run out of copies soon, then I would certainly appreciate your securing a copy for me. Either way I will settle up with someone for the cost of the book and postage. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 23:14:35 (UTC)
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PLANNING A HOLIDAY - come "home"
Would love to hear from anyone planning to visit ?
I run my own small travel business - plan holidays anywhere in Africa - please contact me.
Can reach me on africaleisure@absamail.co.za or carol.mom@absamail.co.za
Look forward to hearing from you.
School in Broken Hill, moved to Bulawayo, then Salisbury - on to Johannesburg and Durban - and now happily in Cape Town!
Carolyn Mommsen (née Knocker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, Hout Bay, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 22:23:06 (UTC)
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PLANNING A HOLIDAY - come "home"
Would love to hear from anyone planning to visit ?
I run my own small travel business - plan holidays anywhere in Africa - please contact me.
Can reach me on africaleisure@absamail.co.za or carol.mom@absamail.co.za
Look forward to hearing from you.
School in Broken Hill, moved to Bulawayo, then Salisbury - on to Johannesburg and Durban - and now happily in Cape Town!
Carolyn Mommsen (née Knocker) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Cape Town, Hout Bay, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 22:23:05 (UTC)
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Craig
I did not get yr reply.
David Gray managed to secure a copy from the Pullons.
I have asked if they have more copies.
If they have I will try & secure one for you.
OK?
regards
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 20:37:55 (UTC)
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Bill,
Yes, I did receive your message about A Bush Telegraph and I did reply, before my problems with sending messages started. Did you not get my reply? I haven't contacted Bev yet due initially to a lack of time, but now because I can't send her e-mail until I fix my problem.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 20:07:51 (UTC)
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re: Bush Telegraph Book
Craig
Heather
Did you get my message?
Bill Hunt [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Widenham, Natal, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 19:54:02 (UTC)
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Doug Grewar........thanks for your entertaining posting, just love reading bygone antics of the GNRers......... :o)
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 17:41:54 (UTC)
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Message Board Format
Thank-you Ian, Barry Woodrow, Ali, Johnny and Peter for your comments on the format of the message board. I am happy to hear more opinions, either here or via e-mail.
My E-mail Problem
Because of the problems I am having with my e-mail at the moment, don't expect a reply from me right away if you send me e-mail or have sent me e-mail in the last couple of days. I can receive your messages fine, but can't send replies. Activation of new memberships is also on hold until I get the problem sorted out. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Colin,
Interesting story about Livingstone. Thanks for that.
Heather,
Thanks for your comment on the statue of Livingstone. But with respect to the Statue of Physical Energy, if the funa zonkes gave it to the bamba zonkes why do you now want it back? (I guess you wouldn't be funa zonkes if you didn't!) That's not very nice of you. We have a term for that in this part of the world.
Kevin,
I think Heather has been reminded of many things before, but she now claims that her e-mail programme is automatically deleting her e-mail before she has a chance to read it. Maybe that's why we have to keep reminding her of stuff.
Barry Robbins,
I highly recommend They Served Africa With Wings if you can get a copy from the next printing.
Johnny,
I'll be standing right behind Linda with my own 2x4! Jislaaike!
Chukky,
I'm running scared! The Headmaster and I just might be in cahoots, you know. ;)
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 17:40:30 (UTC)
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Barry
Mine cost me US$ 35, but that did not include postage as Mitch delivered them to me in Lusaka when he was down from Malawi.
Heather
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 16:12:21 (UTC)
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Craig H,
After those 'petrol pump' remarks - report to Arthur's office.
CJ
PS Or Chukky's gonna git ya!
Charles Cartmill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stellenridge, Cape Town, South Africa
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 14:56:48 (UTC)
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Heather,
yes, I had a very swift response from Mitch this morning saying that the reprint is expected 'at the end of this year'. If anyone's interested in securing a copy send him an email (check out the link from Heather's earlier posting) and he'll drop you a line when they're ready...
regards
Barry
p.s. he still didn't mention how much it cost!
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 13:38:56 (UTC)
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The comments on senility, dotage reminded me of this friend from the past:
Going up!
First floor!
Knitwear nappery beachwear sportswear corsetry millinery ladies underwear - thank you!
We are the lift girls
in a big department store
we kindly take the patrons going up from floor to floor
don't wonder if we're weary of standing up all day
cos when the doors fly open it's our job to say
Second floor!
glassware ironware hardware brushware crockery cutlery
El Fandango Tea Room - thank you! Orange juice lemonade
arsenic rat poison thank you!
Going up
We are the lift girls
we're careful how we dress
I like my job but I'd very much rather have been an air hostess
but as I was always airsick and I couldn't pass the test
I stand here pushing buttons and the lift does all the rest
Third floor!
cosmetics perfume and cologne belts buttons teen and twen-ty dresses - thank you!
"Excuse me, can I find glasses on this floor?"
glassware ironware hardware brush ware cookery cutlery El Fandango Tea Room - second floor!
"Oh, are you perhaps going down?"
Going up!
Ag si's tog, Marlene, what a helluva job this is
the boss won't even give us time to go and have a zizz
and while we're on the job we can't even have a smoke
ag, I'm so tired, man, I'd give anything for a Coke.
Fourth floor!
Kiddies wear juvenile children and sub-teens teens twen-teens middle age old age senility dotage and decomposition
Funeral shrouds
Going up!
Don't lean on the buttons please don't lean on the doors
the car's full up now you'll have to walk to the other floors
hey, take your hands off me who do you think you are?
I may do a thousand feet a day but I'm not gonna go that far
Fifth floor!
radio department electrical appliances hairdressing salon
Friendly Sewing School - thank you!
Going up, sixth floor! Offices and accounts! Offices and accounts sixth floor going up!
Going down!
If only I had minute or two to sit down on my seat
I'm gonna sue this company for giving me flat feet
I've got fallen arches and lumbago in my back
and I suppose it won't be long now before I get the sack
Now if the lift gets stuck for an hour or two you really can't blame me
if I don't appear to sympathise with your anxiety
'cos I've seen enough of these four walls to last for many a day
and when the clock says half past five I'm overjoyed to say
Going home
Words & Music Jeremy Taylor © 1962 MPA
Tina Magee (née Wallace) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 12:52:14 (UTC)
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Johnny, Johnny, Johnny!
How many times do I have to tell you to check the hoax website before you pass hoaxes on. I can see that I am going to have to exhume my dearly departed friend in red and have her come over there with her 2X4 to crack you in the skull.
Check out this website...again
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jesus-hoax.html
But I do still love you..
Linda Hayes (née Dore) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Austin, Texas, United States
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 12:14:16 (UTC)
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Message board...
I like the current format the board is now....
I LOVE the photos - especially the new Zambia ones - and old memories people write about.
Being from the centre of the universe - Broken Hill - I also like the diversity of the opinions. I may or may not agree with everything expressed on the board but I find that occasionally I do learn from or agree with an opinion I was initially opposed to.
As for petrol pumps - I can remember seeing at least half a dozen from my seat in Boones bar!
Peter Dielissen [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 11:28:24 (UTC)
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I pass tis on in good faith I do not know whether it is BS or not.
If you receive an email titled: "It Takes Guts to Say Jesus"
DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard drive.
This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous .
Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:50:22 (UTC)
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Yes Barry, Craig et al, I agree it is ok as it is and does enable you to skip over the things that do not interest you. Yaga, Johnny.
Johnny [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Scarborough, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:39:54 (UTC)
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Barry
You might have a problem getting the book as the last time I was in touch with Mitch (about two months ago) he said that he was waiting on a reprint. I can't remember the exact wording, but I got the impression they wouldn't be available until later this year. I am also waiting for a couple more copies.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:06:15 (UTC)
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Craig, Ian and Barry..I must say , I agree with you .......
Ali
Craig , glad to see I am not alone in the world re computers........ :O(
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 08:48:08 (UTC)
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Heather
many, many thanks for the interesting info on Ndola airport and the link to the book.
I have sent off an email to see if I can get hold of a copy. There wasn't a price for it on the website and as it's described as a 'limited edition, collector's piece, coffee table book' I suspect it will cost maningi Kwachas...
Regards
Barry
Barry Robbins [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Fordingbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 08:35:52 (UTC)
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Realizing the Promise and Potential of African Agriculture
Food for Africa????????????????????
http://www.interacademycouncil.net/report.asp?id=6959
Robert Worrill [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Christchurch, New Zealand
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 07:39:22 (UTC)
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Ian ... and everyone else
My feelings as well, Ian. I must admit to limited experience of other boards, but it does seem to me that threaded boards make it difficult to get an overview.
The beauty of this current board is that I can skim over it, read in detail those parts in which I am interested, and skip the cr*p (no, I'm not pointing fingers anywhere near a certain mid-Pacific island group!).
As I see it, a threaded board will mean that I probably ignore several threads because they begin with subjects in which I'm not at all interested, but develop into broader issues and/or contain gems which I don't want to miss.
I think it would be an excellent idea if we could develop this "thread" (!!) further .... what is the general feeling amongst members?
Barry Woodrow [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Reykjavik, Iceland
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 06:55:33 (UTC)
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Heather
There is no slope on the runway at Ndola’s airport, it is the lack of a spirit level in your camera. You have been reminded of this before.
Nicky
Geoff was in the hostel at KGVI around 1962 /3. I can’t remember what became of him after that.
Kevin Shone [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Ndola, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 06:55:23 (UTC)
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Heather,
Thanks for that. Can you confirm that they skipped Broken Hill because of the lack of a petrol pump there?
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 06:21:57 (UTC)
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Ooops - what I wanted to say was that the info on Ndola Airport was extracted from 'They Served Africa With Wings'
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 05:45:37 (UTC)
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Barry Robbins
NDOLA AIRPORT
They Served Africa with Wings: 60 Years of Aviation in Central Africa
Work on Ndola Airport was done by 700 labourers who worked fo rnearly six months oving 25,000 tons of earth, much of it ant hills, some 20 ft high and 45 ft in diamater. This was around 1919 and the route from UK to Cape Town was declared open in December 1919.
The first aircraft to land at Ndola was on 29 February 1920. This was a converted Vickers Vinny bomber named Silver Queen, sponsored by the South African government. It had, on the previous day, landed at Abercorn (Mbala) becoming the first aircraft to land in the territory. It was not headed for Ndola, but for Broken Hill. However, because of engine problems, an 'emergency' landing had to be made at Ndola. But that was not the end - torrential rain and a waterlogged field kept it on the ground until 2 March. From there, it took off for Broken Hill, but the crew decided to push on to Livingstone where they landed that afternoon. But again, they had technical problems and it was not until 5 March that they were able to take off for Bulawayo. They landed safely at Bulawayo, but crashed the next day shortly after takeoff.
Craig
Sorry, forgot to answer your question yesterday about the Livingstone statue. I know nothing about us wanting it north of the Zambezi and last week when I was down in Livingstone, I met with Donald from NHCC and we were discussing something similar. Anyway, perhaps he didn't think he should discuss that issue with me.
We have also, for some time, been trying to get the Physical Energy statue back. This is the one that stood at the High Court traffic circle until just after Independence, when it was removed and sent down to Salisbury. From what I understand, it is now stored in the back yard of one of the museums there, but the Bamba Zonkes don't want to return it to us.
Heather Chalcraft (née Bender) [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Lusaka, Zambia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 05:41:45 (UTC)
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ArtieThe Livingstone map is delightful.....I had a good look at work yesterday and thought "how many more of these treasures will come to the surface"..........oh and the little fish eagle is that your Artie work or on the map......
keep up the good work re the scanning and posting...much appreciated
Ali.......
Ali Key [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Perth, Australia
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 00:17:54 (UTC)
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Craig The story of David's statue's contested site has been getting big licks in the Scottish Press just now (even featuring in the tabloids (its the silly season with not much news)) The question is not where but why? Livingstone was the typical Victorian gloryseeker of his day, interested only in his own prestige; he treated his long suffering wife and family to an even greater excess of indifference than was common at the time. After the inconvenience of her almost dying a couple of times he lost his very limited patience and sent her and the kids back to Scotland penniless to exist on charity. To further endear himself to the Victorian Establishment he, being the first whiteman to view the Falls, renamed them as we know, Vicky. The final twist to the tale is that his eldest son David went to America to escape the grinding poverty of Scotland at that time and died along with many other Scottish boys of his age in the war between the North and the South, without his father ever getting in touch with him again. (Since leaving Africa) He lies buried, I believe, somewhere in Tenassee after one of the battles in that State, I can't remember where, its been so long since I heard the tale. Perhaps some of the ex-pats in America know where and the circumstances. Regards Colin.
Colin Munro [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Oban, Scotland, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 23:11:24 (UTC)
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Arthur,
I should clarify that my computer problems are local (i.e., the computer on my desk) and have nothing to do with the server.
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 22:37:07 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Thanks for posting those. I will ignore your bamba zonke comments and answer your other question. I can't put a date on the map of Salisbury, but I am sure one of the more "experienced" members might be able to come up with something. The layout looks much as I remember it so, if anything, the contents of the index might be more useful in dating it.
Received your e-mail and ran a test from a third-party server and the mail went through, although I have also been thinking it was a slow day for mail. I am having my own computer problems here and can't send mail without Windows crashing, so that's why I haven't replied to your recent messages yet. I am on the verge of throwing my new computer out the window because I have been trying to figure out this problem since about this time yesterday and I am not happy right now.
Ian,
Will respond to your comment when I am in a better frame of mind!
Craig Hartnett [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 22:33:36 (UTC)
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Northerners !
More maps thanks to Carole Evans (née Bruce)
Mozambique - Circa 1970 - Automobile Association of Rhodesia
Again a large image file - 598kB
I'm adding this map to the GNR site because so many of us travelled through here in years gone by.
Same with the bamba zonkie capital city
Salisbury Map - Circa ? - The Salisbury and District Publicity Department
Image size - Map 430kB - Index 247kB
Typical of the bamba zonke psyche - note the lack of a colourful and vibrant map, instead all done in drab bank type efficiency and boring black, white and red. Yawn. Dunno what the latest maps look like now that they've even banned the colour red.
I also note that not one Livingstonian has reacted to the Livingstone Map since I posted it nearly 24 hours ago now. Pearls before swine. Hello are there any of you out there - or do the Broken Hillbillies actually outnumber you?
Craig
Can you put a date on the Salisbury map?
Thanks for all the work you do for us, was there a King Craig the Younger? You do far more work here than I'd ever do.
Look out for something arriving in your post box soon.
The petrol situation looks serious in Broken Hill ! Perhaps it was all just gas after all !
Arthur
Arthur Steevens [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Stockport, United Kingdom
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 22:14:33 (UTC)
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Oops, I meant is NOT threaded!
Senility, decomposition and decay ... comes to us all eventually!
Ian Singer [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland
Monday, July 26, 2004 at 20:33:28 (UTC)
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Hi All
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