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Fiona,
Hear hear!
Chris,
Yes, I took the test.
Either you can't read or are too lazy to:- It should be obvious from the site that they are based in the UK. (See FAQ #22.) Their contact information is readily available on their Web site and in various publicly-accessible databases, so I don't see why someone else should have to do your homework for you because you are too lazy to.
- Either way, how is it relevant where they are based? (See FAQ #3.) And repeating your question to me about who and where they are is pointless; I am not affiliated with them any more than I am affiliated with any other site to which I choose to publish a link.
- As to your assertion that the people who put this together are obviously left wing -- well, they even address that too. (See FAQ #1.) Apparently your response is quite predictable. Besides, to do a proper and balanced job of gauging beliefs, surely they need to ask questions that make both left- and right-leaning statements, and to gauge non-economic beliefs (the second dimension) they need to ask non-economic questions that address such issues as the ones with which you took umbrage. It obviously wouldn't be much use if you came up with all the questions for such a survey.
- And well done for concluding that various world leaders (some of who died before the Internet was even a twinkle in Al Gore's eye) did not actually take the test themselves. (See FAQ #4.) Being public figures who have stated their various beliefs publicly, even a handful of academic conservatives (never mind "academic liberals") would be able to divine how each public figure would answer the questions in the survey because they have most likely already answered them in public statements or actions. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out... or to read the answer on their Web site!
No doubt you will take from my points above that I am connected to the (in your view) left-wing fanatics at the Political Compass. Fill your boots. I simply couldn't resist pointing out your fatuous arguments. You fail to see that I am not arguing for or against coal miners, steel workers, Doug's friend Mittal, or whatever red herrings you choose to produce; I have not addressed any of those issues. All I did was provide a link to the Political Compass and you took it from there and blew it out of proportion, and I have just responded by pointing out the holes in your arguments.
Gosh, isn't it interesting that research into nuclear physics can lead to atomic bombs... "but so bloody what?"! What a moronic conclusion. It would seem your favourite professor has about as much connection to reality and the planet Earth as you claim is the case with the professors whose views you don't like.
Jilly,
Loved your story and the apparent lesson learned. :)
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 22:55:38 (PST)
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Chris Tamm
You really are an arsehole aren't you? Why do you have to be so bloody nasty to people you don't even know? How Alix feels is her business, not yours!!! Now, go ahead, have a go at me. Do your worst because you are a bloody nothing and a waste of space.
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 20:44:23 (UTC)
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Comments that just don't sound right somehow...
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Osama's brother Yeslam Bin Laden on Osama - "He was always more religious than the rest of us".
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 20:32:56 (UTC)
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Esther if you knew nothing about the spray did you ask his secretary if it worked?
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 20:31:40 (UTC)
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Esther
What a tongue you must have had.......!!!!! What was the spray doing in his drawer in the first place??? Talk about a tantilizing experience for your mouth!!!!
About Guy Fawkes, (or however you wish to spell it). My memories of the 5th November in Zambia are mostly bad ones. I am an avid animal lover and can only remember the pain and suffering of dogs and cats that had crackers tied to them and then ignited. Sounds unbelievable but very very true. The 6th November was always a sad day finding tortured dogs on the street, frightened and in pain. I have heard of similar stories here in South Africa but have never seen any evidence of it. I have vivid memories of many dogs that I helped while living in Bancroft. We had no vet. My father was the one that had to put many of these suffering animals out of their misery. The worst part of it was that the 6th November is my birthday. I dreaded the 6th..... !!
Desi
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 18:57:07 (UTC)
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the provocative Ms Sleutel:
RegThanks for your posting,lets hope that our beloved Zambia does become the "Bread Basket of Africa,"....with positive people like Heather, Kevin and You posting the "good News" first hand it makes up for the negative postings about Zambia that we seem to get from a certain few......
Here we have the inimitable Ms Sleutel talking about her beloved country. If your bio is anywhere near correct, you would have left your beloved country when you were a mighty 4 year old, yet talking about it as though it was a watershed moment of your life?
Get real Ali - stop the whinging and baiting, and grow up. We have heard from others here that it is apparently now possible for you (and others) to return to your beloved country. So why don't you? Why don't you check with your local travel agent about a one way ticket to Lusaka, and make your dreams come true.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 18:45:10 (UTC)
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The school is St Peter's York, where Guy Fawkes was a pupil.
http://www.st-peters.york.sch.uk/history/guyfawkes.htm
Neil Smith, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 18:34:06 (UTC)
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Mike. Thanks for correcting me.
There is a school in York where the boys are not allowed to burn a guy on November 5th. They consider it bad form to burn an old boy.
Peter Bromwich, Spain [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 17:39:17 (UTC)
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RegThanks for your posting,lets hope that our beloved Zambia does become the "Bread Basket of Africa,"....with positive people like Heather, Kevin and You posting the "good News" first hand it makes up for the negative postings about Zambia that we seem to get from a certain few......
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 13:33:08 (UTC)
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Jack
The Gunpowder Plot had nothing to do with avenging the death of Mary Queen of Scots.
The conspirators were a tiny number of English Catholics who felt that King James had failed to live up to promises that he had made about relaxing anti-Catholic laws. .
It is unlikely that the Scots (as a nation) would have regarded them as heroes because if they had succeeded then James would have been killed.and he was also their own King James VI of Scotland.
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 12:44:07 (UTC)
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Chris,
The rhyme you quoted was usually chanted by beggers (us too) just before Christmas and went something like this:
Christmas is coming and the geese are getting fat,
Please put a penny in an old man's hat,
If you haven't a penny, a ha'penny will do,
If you haven't a penny, then God Bless you.
Jack.
Thanks for enlightening me on the meaning of Halloween.....I really thought is was something American.....there you go, we learn something every day.
Cheers,
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 11:46:58 (UTC)
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Reginald,
Thanks for an excellent first hand account of what is going on in Zambia. Let us hope that the scrouge of corruption is curtailed; although I have my doubts. Zambia's future lies in the Agricultural Sector.Glad progress is being made.
Glen,
No more pennies..more like a minimum of 20p..otherwise you get a nasty look!!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 10:34:21 (UTC)
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SAVE ZAMBIA’S FUTURE FOUNDATION.
From what I have seen or read, it appears that an appeal through your website to “Save Luanshya’s Future”, has now become a foundation to “Save Zambia’s Future”.
The original idea of raising funds for projects in Luanshya, I support whole heartily and it is far more practical for the amount of donations you are likely to receive from an Internet Website appeal.
The people themselves, and their Government with the help and assistance from First World countries, in the form of loans or donations, can only save Zambia and its economy.
Yes, Zambia has a great potential, and could have a great future if we decided to move along a path of economic recovery and development without any form of corruption.
President Mwanawasa has pledged to rid Zambia of all corruption, and has been making former government ministers and officials accountable for their plunder of the economy in the past.
The Zambian Government has recently stated that owing to a “bumper” crop of maize this year in Zambia, we will be able to export maize to other African countries in the region.
We have had a large influx of good experienced farmers that have been “chased” out of Zimbabwe, together with South African farmers seeking “greener pastures.”
Although they came here with little or no money, they have been given land by our government, and it is “unbelievable” what they have managed to accomplish so far.
We visit the Mpongwe region, which is about 50 miles (80 kilometers) from Luanshya fairly frequently as my daughter lives out there, so we can see the progress going on.
This is only one small part of Zambia, and similar new agricultural developments are going on all over Zambia.
With the agricultural potential here, I would predict that Zambia could become a “bread basket” for the rest of Southern and Central Africa.
With government assistance, there is no reason why the people of Zambia should “starve” or suffer from any food shortages.
The HIV/AIDS pandemic, obviously will take its toll for some years to come. Again government assistance, sex education, and large donations of finance and drugs, will greatly assist in reducing its devastation.
Antiretroviral medicines are available here at a cost of US $ 8.00 per month, although a figure of US $ 800.00 is mentioned on the website?
The idea of an Orphanage in Luanshya is a good one, however this project will take a huge amount of money and planning.
My suggestion would be that it is built on the lines of Da Gama Home, possibly next to it, and run in a similar manner. The other venue for this project could be close to Luanshya, on a plot or farm where power and water is available.
Initially it could be built for, say, two hundred children, with provision to keep expanding when funds are available.
Using private houses for small Orphanages is not practical, and would benefit very few children.
Regards,
Reg Hughes.
Reginald Hughes, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 09:00:01 (UTC)
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Dear Keith:
Passively speaking I am me, myself and I, and unfortunately motherless after 3. I shall raise a glass for absent hecklers :)
Dear Glen:
Egads and forsooth. Wot doth thou spouteth, Willie? Desire is but a fleeting hope in the minds of merry (old) gentlemen.
Pssst! Don't let everyone know, but I actually do not drink anymore. The last drink I had was at the Banbury Bash in 2002 (just to get rid of the shyness... oops I almost typed slyness... that too.. grin) However, me (is that better grammar, Keith?) don't want to let the side down at this late juncture, so I will make the effort and can possibily be coaxed into accepting at least one. "Yo ho ho and a bottle of (Pirate's) Rum!"
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 01:55:50 (UTC)
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My remembering and I think my brother Glen as well was. We use to get a old pair of pants a shirt. Stich the two together, fill it with news papers put a fancy head on it. Old pair of Takkies (shoes)
Put it in a Kiidie car and pull it around. Collecting pennies followed by a rime :-
Penny for the Guy,penny for the guy.
if you dont have a penny
a alf(half) penny will do
If you aint got a arf penny
God bless you.
Then if we could by crackers always crackers we go to the local Bomb fire and put him on that (the guy).
Now that was was way back when in Plymonth just after the war.(56) I think.
Hey we real oldies hey, but that's my memories of Guy Fawkes.
Chris Drake
B.C.
Canada
Christopher Drake, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 00:52:25 (UTC)
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Guy (guido) Fawkes,
The history of the gunpowder plot was all about Catholic disenchantment over their treatment after Henry VIII, Liz 1 ! etc.
After Liz died in (about 1603) they decided to have a go. As others have said Guy was the man with military (explosives) knowledge but about 20 co-conspiritors were executed in the end.
Maxi;
You might not have heard much about halloween in England but it was pretty big in Scotland when I was growing up (still is). We always went "Guising" (dressed up in goolish disguise and sing a song or two) at halloween to get some pocket money. Scots seemed to focus on 31st October where as English were more on the "penny for the Guy" aimed at 5th November. I guess we are not traditionally associated with celebrating the apprehension of the "Gunpowder" plotters as they were essentially trying to avenge the execution of our Catholic Mary Queen of Scots who was beheaded by LIZ. If they had succeeded they might well have been Scottish heros.
PS. Spanish Armada invasion was supposed to avenge beheading of Mary - singular failure!!
Apparently Scottish tradition claims Halloween is a time when witches, devils, fairies and other imps of air and earth celebrate. The idea of this either scares people, or ticks them off because they haven't been invited to the party. In the past, some believed that those born on All Hallows' Eve were granted the gift of 'double sight,' and had influence over spirits.
Linda - end of my history knowledge
Jack Wardell, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 31, 2004 at 00:48:53 (UTC)
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Jill,
When I was a young girl, we used to sing:
Here's to remember,
The fifth of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason
Why gunpowder and treason,
Should ever be forgot.
As was traditional, we made our own guy, wheeling them in the streets in a wheelbarrow, shaking our "begging Bowl" and chanting:
Guy, Guy,
Stick him in the eye.
Hang him on a lamp post,
And leave him there to die.
The pennies collected for our efforts, would be used to purchase a few Jumping Jacks, Bangers, Cathrine Wheels and/or Sparklers. These would be let off on bombfire night on the village green, where a massive fire had been built, All of this was great fun.
Strangely enough, although I spent the first 12 years of my life in England, I cannot remember anyone celebrating Halloween Night. I think this celebration must have been imported from the U.S. quite recently.
Cheers.
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 22:09:48 (UTC)
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Doug,
Thanks for the welcome, I have posted before, a couple of times to help with the BH street names, after one I got savaged by a pair of dead sheep (JOKE) who didn't realise I was joking when I "moaned" about the nasty slurs they were making about BH. My brother visits RSA on a regular basis and has stayed at the Fancourt. He is out there again next week for 6 weeks with a view to buying a property, oddly enough he is having a weekend at Fancourt. I wonder if he has more cash than he lets on!
Bye.
Mike Fancourt, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 20:34:46 (UTC)
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Peter
Correct.
Guido is the correct name of Guy Fawkes but he was not Italian
He was an English born soldier /mercenary who had fought overseas for many years acquiring extensive knowledge in the use of gunpowder. If he had not had this
knowledge he would never have been asked to join the group that were plotting to blow up Parliament although he was fully committed to their cause. He was a very minor player in the conspiracy and is only remembered because he was the person
caught red handed.
The other more important conspirators were also hunted down and executed.
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 20:30:11 (UTC)
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I can’t remember anything funny happening on Guy Fawkes’ night when I was in Zambia. Even though there is the famous ditty:
Remember, remember, the Fifth of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot….
Is there any more to this?
Anyway, as a result very few people forget my birthday – having a great sense of occasion I was born in London, England on the 5th of November – a very long while ago! I also have red hair. Unfortunately, I am not at all good at remembering even my most loved ones' birthdays?
One funny story about fireworks of a different kind that I remember was about going to a horse show in Lusaka in 1967.
Being a keen show jumper, I always wanted to go to the prestigious Lusaka Show, but my folks would never let me because I was too young and too naive to go alone. When I was 15 my folks finally relented as there was another young lady from the Polo Club going and she was a few years older than me, very sensible (and from a good family) and could act as chaperone. I think she was about 21.
So off we went to Lusaka and that night there was a midnight movie in town – it was called “Le Mans”, I think, and was about a 24 hour car race. The horsy fraternity in Lusaka invited us to go along, and we got a lift with two of the hottest (but married) riding blokes in Zambia. I had never been out this late in my life and I was terribly excited, but obviously not as excited as my erstwhile chaperone who promptly started smooching one these okes as soon as the lights went out. It was a long movie, and I was very uncomfortable about what was going on next to me, and the other bloke was sitting on the other side disturbingly close to me, but he was the perfect gentleman (he obviously knew how young I was! And to be honest, I was a little disappointed!). Anyway, when the movie finished the young men would be taking us back to our horsebox at the showground where we were camping and I would be able to relax and get my hormones back down to earth…
On emerging from the cinema we found the guys’ car had all the air taken out of the tyres. Obviously the wives had cottoned on to their husbands’ errant ways and had taken revenge. Unfortunately all the garages were closed, so replacing the air was no mean feat, but eventually they managed to break a lock on an air pump and hastily filled the tyres – by this time the two men in question were not so full of bravado and kept looking around nervously. I was terribly unhappy, both at the late hour and the predicament I had found myself in whilst in a strange town. The hormones were definitely changing gear and raw fear was kicking in.
At last we were off back to the showground – and then we had the ride of our lives because the wives drew up behind us in another car and started chasing us through the streets of Lusaka. Talk about a night of fast cars, fast men and women scorned – it was a nightmare! We screeched around Lusaka at break-neck speed with the wives chasing us and threatening us with really evil things – I was terrified! Eventually the boys managed to throw off the attentions of the wives and hurtled into the showground at sunrise where myself and the chaperone were almost thrown from the car while the two men sped away. Talk about being unceremoniously dumped!
I was mortified. I had to ride in the show later that day. I was tired, frightened and rather grubby after my jump from the car. I kept as low a profile as I could, but being a small community, everyone had heard of our adventures of the night. I fully expected one of the wives to ambush me and probably scratch my eyes out. Luckily I managed to both avoid the ladies and to win my classes and we drove back to wonderful, safe, quiet Kitwe that night – away from the wicked wives! Needless to say, the next show was at Mufulira a fortnight later and Dad was propping up the bar – and he heard some very interesting stories about his sweet, innocent little girl! I was never allowed to go to a show in Lusaka again!
If any of the wives are reading this – I was an innocent victim, but boy did I learn an important lesson that weekend – show jumping definitely is an adrenaline rush!
Ciao,
Jilly
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 20:20:21 (UTC)
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Keith,
See Imran Khan and his children got held by armed robbers in Pakistan yesterday. Took his mobile phone,money, credit cards etc. off him. Not having a good time is he??Now the Germans spell his name Kahn!
If women drivers are that bad why do buyers of used cars mainly look for cars with.... "one lady owner"?
Another thing that has come to my attention is that the law on ownership of residential properties in the UAE has changed or has it? Are foreign Nationals allowed to buy their own homes there? I know that in other Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia..non-indigenous residents are not even allowed to run businesses on their own..one has to have a Saudi partner...even if he does put any effort/money into the business!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 18:57:14 (UTC)
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Linda,
I thougth YOU would have known whether you were active or passive. You are passive in the following:
..."just let Fiona or I know" (you are me not I, in that context). I wouldn't have mentioned it except you did say:
I was going to take the mickey out of Ayub for his spelling of "Guy Fox" but decided I better get my facts straight before I did so.
Have a good reunion!!!!
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 18:07:09 (UTC)
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Chinyerezi Chintu,
Different Party I think,
Isn't it called New Labor (no u)?
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 17:51:40 (UTC)
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TYTHERINGTON TIYENDE ATTENDEES
Please tell this to Linda at the soiree - she may be in no fit condition to read . . . . . and it is very important !
Macbeth (by William Shakespeare) Act 2, Scene 3 before attending the above soiree. . . . . . . .
" . . . it provokes the desire, but it takes away the performance"
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 17:30:05 (UTC)
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A lighter look at Christianity :
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS JEWISH
He went into his father's business
He lived at home until he was 33
He was sure his Mother was a virgin, and his Mother was sure he was God
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS IRISH
He never got married
He was always telling stories
He loved green pastures
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS PUERTO RICAN
His first name was Jesus
He was bilingual
He was always being harassed by the authorities
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS ITALIAN
He talked with his hands
He had wine with every meal
He worked in the building trades
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS BLACK
He called everybody "brother"
He liked Gospel
He couldn't get a fair trial
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS A CALIFORNIAN
He never cut his hair
He walked around barefoot
He started a new religion
THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS A WOMAN
He had to feed a crowd, at a moments notice, when there was no food.
He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it.
Even dead, he had to get up because there was more work for him to do.
(Above definitions are credited to Joany Binder - whoever she is?)
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 17:12:35 (UTC)
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I don't know about his second name, but his first name was Guido. He was Italian.
Peter Bromwich, Spain [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 15:27:40 (UTC)
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TYTHERINGTON TIYENDE ATTENDEES
This is a reminder to send your payment to Fiona Gayther if you are planning to come to the party.
There is still time to put your name on the list. Just let Fiona or I know so that we can include you in the count for ordering food. Anyone is welcome.
We are going to the pub on Friday night for drinks and a bite to eat if anyone comes in early. Johnny Green will be the entertainment for that night. He does an amazing impression of a 60's hippy. Just so you blokes know.. two drinks and I'm anybody's, but three drinks and you're wasting your time. The trick is knowing if I had a snort before I come to the pub...grin. Okaaaay, I'll be on my best behaviour. Glennie, since you are not coming to the party, you cannot respond to this :)
If anyone has any blast from the past music they want to bring to Fiona's, please feel free.
There is still time to run... You have been warned! :)
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 14:44:50 (UTC)
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Johnny Green
Please contact me through the GNR with your phone number.
Thanks
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 13:57:11 (UTC)
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Ayub
Tony Blair has never been a socialist. He is the leader of the Labour Party but he has never been a socialist. Michael Foot, Tony Benn maybe but never Tony Blair.
God knows where he came from to be in the Labour Party. He must have taken a wrong turn but not the left turn ( so to speak).
Chinyerezi Chintu, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 13:25:13 (UTC)
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I have heavily culled the following article for brevity. It appeared in one of yesterday's daily papers. Political correctness in most places wouldn't allow editors to publish this patronising material but here anything goes. Suggest that someone be stoned to death or criticise her driving. It's not just in letters to the editor but in main stream articles.
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If women were presumed to be inept behind the wheel in the past, the figures presented by Dubai Police now lend some weight to this claim. There are indications that women are involved in more accidents.
Men have long accused women of sending out 'mixed signals'. But in Dubai, traffic police have come up with the statistics to prove it.
Whereas the overall rate of traffic accidents in Dubai has decreased during the year 2001, the number of traffic accidents caused by women in particular has notably increased.
Last year, 97 accidents, that were fatal or resulted in serous injuries, out of 164 were the result of women drivers. Studies attribute the growing trend to a number of factors, including the use of mobile phones while driving, women's emancipation, and even hormonal fluctuations.
If she is not touching up her make up in the rear-view mirror, claim the naysayers, then she is gossiping on the mobile phone with a girlfriend.
Deputy Director of General Traffic Department, Dubai Police, commented: "I myself have noticed many women trying to take over other cars on the road. They have very bad habits while driving. Women tend to drive too fast, and without caution."
Commonly committed driving offences include speeding, jumping red lights, and making U-turns abruptly.
According to Lt. Col. Al Zafeen, most of the reckless drivers are UAE national women, followed by Indians. He pointed out that more and more local women are getting their driver's licenses now, in contrast to days bygone when most women stayed home, or were driven around by chauffeurs.
"This trend is caused by the gradual urbanisation of life in the UAE. In the past, there weren't so many women drivers. Fewer women stepped out of the house on their own. If they did go out, they had drivers. But now they are getting their own driver's licences.
"There are more women who work now. And they are under more pressure than they used to be. She may be facing problems, and she blows off steam when driving her car," he explained.
A study conducted by Dubai Police confirms that the increase in traffic accidents caused by women is directly linked to their emancipation. "We try to alert them about the perils of reckless driving, for their good and for the good of others," said Lt. Col. Al Zafeen.
"I prefer to see ladies driving in a more lady-like manner, instead of the aggressive style I see," lamented the official.
One unfortunate cause of accidents noted in the study made reference to harassment on the road. A significant percentage of the accidents caused by women were a result of women trying to flee men who tease or taunt them. "Harassment distracts women, and it makes them nervous and flustered. When they are in such a state, they tend to drive faster," the study concluded.
Another factor listed in the study involved biology. When women are undergoing pre-menstrual syndrome (PMS), they are prone to lose their temper faster, drive more recklessly, and get into accidents, the study suggested.
Additionally, the study makes mention of women's 'talkative nature'. The use of mobile phones while driving is prohibited by Dubai Police, and yet, many people - particularly women - continue to defy the law.
The study found that women are more frequently caught using their mobiles - whether actually conversing or sending SMS messages - while on the road.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 12:08:44 (UTC)
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wot a faux pas!
Happy fireworks everyone when you "let them off" This weekend is normally when Bishops, in Cape Town has a huge display and they have hundreds of folk with blankets on the cricket field & picnic baskets, toasting each other & enjoying the magnificent pyrotechnics. I LOVE FIREWORKS! Thank goodness we have such a gorgeous way of celebrating a silly man's folly!!! AND Viewing the Festival of Fire in Cape Town with the music provided by the local radio station, for those unable to get close to the waterfront orchestra. Is a real treat. We've sat up on the hill in front of the Holiday Inn watching the international competition of colour errupting in choreographed order, I was ecstatic. It always ends faaaaar tooo quickly for me.
Am I a lone nutter in this respect?
Jurina Lang, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 11:37:58 (UTC)
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Was he not a Fox??...Sly..wanted to blow up the Parliament!!!!! Oh well!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 10:34:35 (UTC)
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Guy Fawkes (sp?)
All I remember about Guy Fawkes in Broken Hill was that it ALWAYS rained on November 5.....
Peter Dielissen, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 07:55:03 (UTC)
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The hazing Texan:
So, here is the question of the day. How is his last name spelled? Which of the following is correct:
Fox
Faulks
Fauks
Fawkes
Faulkes
Fauks
Fawks
Who gives a Fawkes
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 03:18:01 (UTC)
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Okay all you history buffs:
I was going to take the mickey out of Ayub for his spelling of "Guy Fox" but decided I better get my facts straight before I did so. Otherwise I face public ridicule and Lord knows I handle that well.. I looked up our illustrious "fiyah weks" fiend on the internet and was bemused to find numerous spellings of his last name.
So, here is the question of the day. How is his last name spelled? Which of the following is correct:
Fox
Faulks
Fauks
Fawkes
Faulkes
Fauks
Fawks
Fuc oops sorry
Any other spelling submitted
How about some funny stories involving fireworks incidents while growing up in Northern Rhodesia/Zambia?
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 02:58:14 (UTC)
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Welcome Mike
I can't remember you posting before. At least we are getting some of the lurkers to bite!
I see you are a golfer. We have a very expensive golf estate in the Cape called Fancourt, which is the only other place I have heard your name.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 21:57:56 (UTC)
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Colin,
Scargill didn't take on the blessed Margaret, he got thousands of gullible miners to do it for him, as a result many of them end up bankrupt, losing their houses in some cases. King Arthur was not so stupid that he had to resort to soup kitchens for his meals, he still got paid during the strike and he still has his big house. A clever man our Arthur, getting people into a battle they had no hope of winning. Maggie ran rings round them, maybe she would have been a better commander for your army!
This is a bit tongue in cheek but true.
Mike Fancourt, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 21:22:52 (UTC)
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Doug,
Diwali is normally a 3 day festival which starts this year on, or around the 12th November. The Hindu New Year is the day after. On this day the Hindu Goddess of Wealth ,Lakshmi ,is supposed to visit houses and hopefully will furnish the occupants with wealth and prosperity in the following year.Yes, you are right..some may have started the celebrations early..although they could be celebrating Haloween or Guy Fox!! In cities like Leicester and places like Wembley in London the atmosphere is stunning with streets lit up and processions galore! Leicester becomes Mumbai for a few days.I know during my young days in Lusaka many celebrations took place at the Hindu Hall on Obote Rd (formerly Moffat St). Think the hall is still there.
Get a pair of ear plugs..and one set for the pets too! Here they will arrest anyone setting off fireworks after 11pm...if they can catch them!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 20:57:03 (UTC)
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Bill,
You say a country's essential public services or strategic resources beneficiation should be protected against private business profiteering, for the benefit of all its citizens. Very well put. Privatization without adequate competition is a disaster.
I think the upcoming Bok tour to Britain, Ireland, and Argentina is going to provide some class rugby and I am sure the Boks are going to do well. The first match is in Wales, I believe?
Ayub
You know the old saying, ‘Lies, damn lies, and statistics.’ Everybody chooses the stats that best suit their own purpose. Whatever the figure is, it is too many.
Esther
I fell off my chair laughing at your posting and Keith’s reply. The worst I ever did in that line was to use spray and stay instead of underarm deodorant. It was like walking around with a roll of barbed wire under each arm. That was a bad day. I had such a babbelass that I chucked my dirty clothes into the toilet and started peeing in the clothesbasket. I was rewarded with a fat clap from my wife.
Chris
I think that the high oil price will accelerate the development of new energy sources such as the hydrogen cell. As they say every cloud has a silver lining.
Harshad
I was a bit premature in wishing you a happy Diwali. I see the celebration in Durban are only starting tomorrow and continuing until the 14th of November.
For non-Hindu’s Diwali is one of the most sacred days on the Hindu calendar and for many it marks the return home of Lord Rama after 14 years in exile. It commemorates his reclamation of his rightful place as heir to the throne. It is symbolic of the joy at the victory of light over darkness and is a time to promote peace, goodwill and tolerance. Please take note Chrisbhai.
It is also a time unfortunately of a great noise of fireworks which scares the sh*t out of domestic pets and keeps the SPCA busy.
Almal
An interesting new development has occurred in the Zim situation. In contrast to Mbeki’s policy of quiet diplomacy the Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) decided to visit their fellow unionists in Zimbabwe on a fact-finding tour. Cosatu with the ANC and the South African Communist Party (SACP) form the tripartite government of South Africa, so they carry a lot of influence. Mugabe refused them permission to enter Zim but they flew up anyway. They managed to meet with their associates in a Harari Hotel, when Mugabe’s police pitched up and ordered them to leave the country forthwith. Mugabe’s thugs dragged a SA woman unionist around by her hair and a man by his testicles. The Zim unionist immediately got a high court order stopping Mugabe from deporting them but this was ignored. The party was forcibly loaded onto a bus and driven to Beit Bridge border post and thrown out of Zim.
This has enraged Cosatu and embarrassed the ANC. The unionists and the SACP said this proves that Mugabe is a tyrant and a barbaric thug with no respect for the law and called on the SA to take action against him by closing the border and cutting off all supplies of electricity, fuel etc. This may be the beginning of the end for Mugs.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 20:04:33 (UTC)
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Robert,
On the whole they probably are. I was giving you examples of the problems consumers are facing and have been facing since some of these Utilities were privatised here in the UK You try contacting them on the phone..you might be have to spend a good hour before you even get thru..."you have 5 options..press 1 for sales..2 for billing inquiries...3 for this..and then the same over again..and then finally " you are in a queue..please wait..some crap music comes on..you wait...and you can finish your dinner whilst waiting.....
Effeciency is when you provide a good quality service at a reasonable price! Most here have failed the test..dismally! Safety on the railways have been compromised since privatisation. The subject will come up again when we have another rail disaster!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 19:01:14 (UTC)
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Neil,
I know. Was referring to anyone who lives abroad and tries to raise funds..best for them to go visit Zambia and oversee their funding.
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 18:52:30 (UTC)
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A.I. Zumla,
State monopolies are monstrously inefficient. If they were as good or essential as you suppose, why is Fed-Ex or UPS so successful? Competition in Britain for many years was a no-no. As a car buff, I was nonplussed by the prices being asked for run of the mill automobiles in the London showrooms. It seemed they were half as much again as something I could buy in Switzerland. I realize taxes and duties were one thing but the idea of the American "deal" seemed unheard of.
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 18:44:07 (UTC)
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Esther - Ahah! Finally we understand where you're "coming" from.
Poor Baby . . . . . . . never mind, I've heard that men use it when they find it tough to please a woman.
By the way - did you ever encourage HIM to spray it on his tongue?
Just curious . . . .
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 18:43:10 (UTC)
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Ayub
Reg lives in Luanshya, He's not merely a visitor.
Neil Smith, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 18:03:22 (UTC)
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Doug,
The UK Medical Journal, Lancet, in an article( out today) on research done by John Hopkins University (USA) and Iraqi health workers puts the figure of Iraqi deaths at 100,000; mainly the result of US bombing since the invasion. lancet only publishes articles if they have weight and substance in them. Jack Straw (having seen this report) is in a muddle and is trying to still clutch at straws!! The majority killed being women and children. Puts your figure of 10,000 in some sort of perspective.
Kevin,
Your assertion that very little money is sent back by Zambians living abroad is correct.Perhaps the Government needs to make those who Graduate from Zambian institutions at Government expense stay and work in Zambia for a stated period of time...although eventually the salaries offered abroad will prove too tempting. Even the UK Government is actively encouraging skilled Manpower to come here from the Third World..while at the same time (hypocritically) tries to show how concerned it is about poverty in the Third World! It is currently actively recruiting 6000 teachers from, would you believe it, Bangladesh!!!!!!
Keith,
Think Imran Khan would/could/should suffer the same fate with the number of maidens he has bowled over!!!
Professor "Freidman" Tamm writes "competition is good"!
Try telling that to UK residents who have to pay higher Gas and Electricity charges coupled with a lousy service! Any country that sells off its family silverware..will have little left in the future to rely on. Thatcher sold most of this silverware dirt cheap! Some people made a killing out of the share issues.
There will be a lot of fun once the predicted power cut syndrome hits UK households in the near future! Lets see how the various power companies fall over each other to try and tackle the problems this will bring!! The Post Office is going soon..not much left now to sell off save the air that we breathe..that will come too!
Talking about Political compasses..Blair is now more right-wing than any Prime Minister in Britain's history..he sure took a 360 degree turn since his inception as a Socialist PM some years back. I think he is in deep trouble at the next elections.His Presidential-style leadership is causing unrest in his own Party. He seems to think he is on some sort of "mission"....baffles me!
By the way BP has just announced record profits..while we pay high prices at the pumps! And we, with our North Sea Oil, should be self-sufficient!!
Glad someone is keeping an eye on the situation in Luanshya. There is nothing like going there and finding out for oneself.
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 17:47:30 (UTC)
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Kevin: Thanks for your input re-the figures on thecurrent cost and selling figures of copper in Zambia. Regarding the Coal-mining Industry: I started work in coal-mining in Scotland when I was 17 years old, went to Mining College and got my HNC when I was 22.The President of the Scottish Division of the NUM was Mr. Abe Moffat, a die-hard Communist, but also a very shrewd negotiator.He uncovered a large amount of anomalies in the price charged to big Industry against that of Household use.The word "Strike" was very rarely if ever used, by him or the other senior members of the Union, including John MacArthur. John Woods and Abe's brother John, who resigned his Communist Party membership over the Hungarian uprising in '56.
I lived and worked in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, in '79 prior to coming to the States. Even at that time, there were rumblings of a National strike, being initiated by "KIng" Arthur Scargill. It should also be noted that the strike in '80 was totally unofficial, so-much-so that Michael Magahey, the Scottish President, whom I knew personnaly from the old days, decried the action and as a result was attacked and badly beaten in Edinburgh. The statements being made at that time were of the order of, "We got rid of Heath, now it's Maggie Thatcher's turn." Anyone with half a brain would know that nothing is forever, this being the economic reason for closing unproductive collieries. There are still millions of tons of quality coal in Scotland alone, but no-one in their right mind will go near deep-mining again, based on the previous shenanigans of the National Union, which I'm told is passe. For anyone interested, I have a copy of "A History of the Scottish Coal Miners". I would be only too pleased to let anyone borrow this.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 14:23:11 (UTC)
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Ken Fernie
The production costs at Bwana Mkubwa is around 99 US cents a kilo and $1.65 at KCM. World copper price yesterday was $2,863.00 a metric tonne.
Ayub
Not many of the old cabinet are still serving under the new administration.
I hear what you are saying about low wages but are we ever going to progress if people that we train become economic migrants.
Unlike the Sub Continent’s labour force that sends money back from the Middle East very little is send back here because most of those that go over make plans to settle where they are.
Government wages could be higher if the thieves were stopped from raiding the coffers. In today’s paper it has been reported that K40 billion (about $8million) was prevented from going out in a scam. How many of these go through taking money that could be used to better the lives of all the citizens.
Kevin Shone, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 09:05:07 (UTC)
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Hi Donald
Your "Beginners Guide to Southern Africa" really cracked me up, and brought back many words which I had completely forgotten about. One word which I do remember (and use far too frequently) is "shame". Another one to add to your list perhaps?
June
June Dobson, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 06:15:17 (UTC)
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I am more involved with the ex-Luanshya Website, and only visit the GNR occasionally. However, it was brought to my notice that there is a project involving Luanshya being discussed on this website, so I decided to find out if I could assist.
I visited the Helen Kaunda Memorial Library yesterday (incidentally it is only five houses from our house in Luanshya), and spoke to Miss Lennie Moonga the assistant librarian regarding the appeal for new chairs.
She informed me that Theresa Lungu had offered to raise money for the chairs, but that I should speak to Mr. Mulenga, the Director of Housing at the Luanshya Municipal council.
I eventually managed to talk to Mr. Mulenga, who informed me that quotations for chairs had been sent to Theresa Lungu, but so far he had not had any “feedback” from her.
I am more than willing, and it would be a pleasure, to assist with any charitable or humanitarian projects in Luanshya, as I have been doing for donors involved with the Da Gama Home (see ex-Luanshya website).
If needed (as I read US $ !000.00 has already been donated), I would be prepared to buy the chairs, deliver and present them to the Library. Then send you photos or the event together with an invoice and receipt by e-mail.
The Helen Kaunda Memorial Library is owned and run by the Luanshya Municipal Council, who should supply the chairs and be involved with all the repairs and maintenance of this establishment. There are chairs there at the moment, not the best, and odd (not matching), so I assume the new chairs will replace them.
One wonders if there are not more worthy projects in Luanshya, such as Da Gamma Home that needs more beds, and bedside cupboards for the children’s belongings.
Finally, I see an address of a box number in Luanshya were donations should be sent, with no name or contact number of the persons responsible here.
I would be obliged if you could give me these details as I would like to meet them, and offer my assistance.
Regards,
Reg Hughes.
Reginald Hughes, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 06:10:46 (UTC)
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Esther,
You don't expect anyone to swallow that do you?
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 06:06:37 (UTC)
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Desi - Really funny story :))))
Here is one for you... true story - I swear to God.
Years and years and years ago...
I am a "tidy freak" and addicted to peppermint mouth spray.
My husband was out the office for a while (we worked together) and I decided it would be a good time to tidy his desk drawers.
Lucky me, in the top draw and right in front of me was a small spray can. I immediately put it in my mouth and sprayed - Chreeeeeryst it tasted aweful - so I read the label- it was to extend penis erection. You can imagine the state of my tongue.
Esther Pettersson, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 04:03:50 (UTC)
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Colin,
A very interesting synopsis (on the German economy). Thank you.
Arthur Scargill? Was he the rabid union leader for the pommy coal mines? And was it not him who is/was very anti royalty, offering to close buck house and offer the Queen a job at Woolworths? I suppose he might be a gutsy kind of a guy, but surely one could also point a finger at him for "over unionising" the pits and causing them to nearly collapse? I have to confess I have not paid much attention to the UK coal mining industry over the years and cannot particularly recall what Maggie did and did not do to it, but when it was Brit Coal, it ws very unhealthy (economically speaking)
As for the new energy source for the future, it seems that hydrogen fuel cell technology is very much in the forefront of R&D right now. As for oil? That will run out some day but just like the tree huggers dire predictions during the 1972/73 oil crisis (when they said it would run out in 20 years!), I have a gut feeling that there is plenty yet to be found, and it will continue being available for another 100 years at least. But I also feel that there is enough pressure on the Hydrogen folks to press on and perfect the new fuel cells for daily use. When that happens, I believe I could see the 1st world saying to the middle eastern oil producers - sorry maningi chaps, but henceforth we are offering you $10 per barrel - take it or leave it. Now would that put a cat amongst the pidgeons. Imagine the UBL's at that time - what would they say? ("We also have rights" probably!)
You see Captain Craig, you can run all kinds of Compass tests all day long, but at the end of the day it is the economics that rule. Our mukker in Vryheid can beef all he wants about the poor unemployed 30,000 former steel workers (could they be called "stealers"??) but should Iscor be taken back by govt, it will continue stumbling along, placing the labor overhead on the tax payers, until the whole house of cards collapses.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 02:39:31 (UTC)
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KEITH : Coal, oil, gas, whats the difference? They are all carbon based forms of energy utilised in different centuries, as you point out, but none will see out this century if the latest forecast , which is that the world will consume 1660 billion tons of the oil equivalent of carbon energy in the 21st century , considering we only used only 500 billions tons in the 20th century. I assume this is taking the figure of present demand, as it would be impossible to forecast the usage of the new economic giants, China and India ( and others as yet un- identified in so young a century) The fact that this (Blair)government is commited to a "low carbon"economy and a 60% cut in carbon-dioxide emmisions by 2050 and at present the only renewables, wind, water, and biomass (which are the only ones I can think of ) provide the UK with only 8% of our energy at present
( most of it comes from Scotland), can only leave one source of energy in the future, Nuclear! CHRIS: Re Craigs Political/Social/Economical Theory; this has been already been played out and tested to be true in the years of 1939-45 by the BIS ( Bank of International Settlement) in Basle when the Bank of England, First National of New York, Bank of Italy and the Bank of France, under the Chairmanship of the American, Thomas MacKittrick, got together with war criminals, Puhl and Funk (not to mention Otto Ohlendorf who was eventually hanged at Nuremberg for his crimes) and used this Bank as a conduit for the Nazi gold and assets which Heydrichs's economical empire realised. (Cash, homes, businesses, shares, in fact everything the Jews in occupied Europe ever owned down to their clothes and gold teeth.) A major player in this unholy ecomical alliance was the the Reichsbank , still in existance today known as the Bundesbank. The wartime Governor of the Bank of England, Sir Montagu Norman and the Prime Minister, Chamberlain, even returned the Chech gold reserves , which had been taken out that country with Britsh help, to this source. A known fact today, although Chamberlain stood up in Parliament on May 16th, 1939 and said "It was not". They all, Americans, British, Italian and French and Gods knows who, sat throughout the war dividing the spoils in the name of economics. Within five short years, by 1950, Germany was on its feet again, albeit financied paradoxically by the SS and their spoils from Europe while the rest of Europe took years to recover, such is the power of economics over politics!
DOUG: Your mention of Arthur Scargill (( last coal mine to close) who had the courage to take on Thatcher))reminds me of the fact that he had more balls than five million Scots put together at that time, who did not take the inititive to get Independance when it was there for the asking. How I wish Arthur was head of our Army in '45, what a different outcome there would have been. (Or even in the seventies)
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 29, 2004 at 01:19:23 (UTC)
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Captain Craig,
I took that test. To no one's surprise, my red dot ended up in the middle of the upper right quadrant.
I will repeat my question. Who/where is this Political Compass? In looking at the questions about gay sex and child discipline, my guess is that the test was put together in the political science department of a strong left leaning liberal arts university. Most people have their own compass, and do not need to complete a test such as this in order to establish their direction. My guess too, is that someone other than the named names in the test placed them there, i.e. doubt if the Pope, Mandela, Saddam Hussein, Blair, Bush etc. actually took it. No no, it was more likely the collective wisdom of a handful of academic liberals who, knowing better than anyone else of course, agreed in a democratic process of elimination where each of the personalities would fall in the matrix.
I had a Prof at a university in Pomland who would have aptly labelled this test as a "Gosh" test. He would elaborate - "Gosh, isn't that interesting, but so bloody what?"
Gosh!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 22:27:19 (UTC)
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Want to hear a funny (but true) story?
About 1960 my Dad worked at Bancroft mines on the Copperbelt. He had a guy that worked for him. His name was Size (as in what size shoe do you wear...) . Now, in their tradition a man was judged by the length of his beard, ( their hair didn't grow very fast so it took great effort and pride to gain a mean goatie!!). My Dad discovered my Mothers "nair" cream, wich he found very facinating so took it with him to work. I might just add here that he was a naughty bugger in his time.....! Him and Size were busy working when he told Size that he had some wonderful cream to make his beard grow longer overnight. Size excitedly took the cream home and rubbed it all over, not just his face but his head aswell. To his dismay he awoke the next morning like a newborn....bald and sans any facial hair. Not a nice story...but has a happy ending, for Size anyway. My Dad was working on one of the main pump lines from the mine and Size was in control of the main switch. He (Size) "accidently" turned on the line my Dad was working on and with the pressure the hose lifted him off the ground and deposited him at Sizes' feet. In hospital, one with a broken arm and the other with a bald face and head they looked at each other and didn't say a word. Size was very forgiving as what my Dad did to him was not forgivable but they had a certain rapport. They worked together for many years after that and when my Dad passed on Size stood in front of the crowds of mineworkers at my Dads funeral and lifted his hat..... only to reveal a very very bald head! But, he did it with pride.
There are real people in this world.... just wish we could find them all.
Desi
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 20:27:22 (UTC)
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Glen,
I don't think I recognised any name on that "Professional" list. Impressive? Well, maybe and maybe not. If Professor Tickey Tembo had endorsed it then perhaps I might give it some attention. Get my drift? There are some universtity professors who have lost all contact with planet earth.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 20:15:37 (UTC)
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Craig
Thanks for the link to the Political Compass. I got -5.62 on the economic scale. This puts me slightly left of centre. On the social scale I get 0.31 that puts me slightly on the authoritarian side. The person nearest to my position was Pope Paul! If I hear anyone calling me Poopaul I will sentence him to 3 hail mary's and the rough end of a pineapple.
Mr. Bones
You are so fast with your labeling you could get a job at OK Bazaars putting the prices on the canned beans!
Why are you so unpatriotic to drive a Toyota? If you cannot afford a Cadillac, what is wrong with Dodge, Buick, Oldsmobile, Chevy etc.
I also drive a Toyota but to be patriotic here I would have to drive an oxwagon which is a bit slow, altho pretty good on fuel consumption. I don't think the oxwagon would be a solution for your USA fuel problems because the manure probably wouldn't meet the emission control standards.
Let us know your score on the Compass quiz.
Glen
You say 'it happens all over the world.' That's what I have been trying to tell ou bones all along but he is a very stubborn okie.
Bill Hunt
Talking about labeling, when I visited John Glen in 1969 after his move to Bulawayo, I learned something new about labeling. The supermarkets used to mark their prices with marker pens on the goods. When we went shopping the first thing John grabbed was a can of hair 'spray & stay' and a marker pen. He used the spray to remove the prices and the pen to replace them with what he thought was more fair to him. This cut down his cost of living much better. Once he nearly got caught at the till but talked his way out of it by saying it must have been old stock.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 18:31:45 (UTC)
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Chris - can't figure out why you think the address is important when you can obviously do a detailed check on the veracity of many of the individuals contributing to the "Professional Feedback" - some of whom are quite impressive - wouldn't you agree?
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 18:17:56 (UTC)
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Doug
Privatisation
Ask any Californian about Enron & why the lights went out!.
Ask any Brit about the quality & safety of rail services since privatisation.
Make sure your engine is running, you'll have to leave in a great hurry!!
I agree with you , a country's essential public services or strategic resources beneficiation should be protected against private business profiteering, for the benefit of all
its citizens.
Forget economics & concentrate on the upcoming rugby tour to the home countries, We are going to give them a delux dondering!
Bill Hunt, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 18:13:16 (UTC)
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Philip
Just a quick note to tell you that I have finally got an ex Mufulira Wolseley 6/110, bought by a Mr Eksteen who worked at Muf West.
She was acquired on the 16th January 1968, and was left to his son in his will.
I found him by snooping around the local Austin/Wolseley expert in Natal, who informed me that the "best original Wolseley in Southern Africa" was right here on our doorstep, but not available, as the son would not sell her....Once the son found out about the Muf connection, the deal was concluded, and I took delivery on the 17th October...the car has, apart from a full service history, a DIARY, in which Mr Eksteen kept a note of everything ever done to her, in her entire 36000 miles up until my purchase!!
She is magnificent in every respect, and even has a Northern Rhodesian badge, as well as an NR Road Safety badge!. I have sent photos to Arthur... what a gem....and of course, you cannot get the smile off my face!
Paul Cowie, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 18:10:22 (UTC)
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Commander Craig, in summation:
This might explain Doug's apparent flip-flopping and why he might actually have more people nodding their heads when he writes than others. Your one-dimensional view of the spectrum is passé.
There is nothing "apparent" in the flip flopping. It is absolutely and demonstrably factual.
BTW, I did not take that test. Did you? I looked for the address of the outfit but could not find it. Is it a yankee domicile? Curious why they would want to conceal it.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 17:42:13 (UTC)
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Whenever I think of politics and how the game is played I naturally tend to reference the southern countries of Africa. I do so from a country (for that is really what California represents as far as world economics is concerned) which plods along merrily doing silly stuff like electing Arnold Schwarzenegger as Governor.
But today (10/28/04) I feel that it really doesn’t matter where one lives, everyone is getting screwed by everyone else.
The latest rumor is that Russia was the country that had supplied most, if not all, of the missing 380 tons of “high explosives and ammunition” that Senator Kerry is now accusing Pres. Bush of “losing” before the invasion of Iraq.
Now just think about the ACTUAL farce being played on the world stage . . . . . . . . . . . . . . it goes like this . . . . . . . . .
Years and years ago, without the knowledge of the US, Russia and France cut a deal for oil with Hussein.
“We give you arms and you supply us vouchers for oil – simple. Hey, food for oil – well, that’s another story – that we’ll leave the US to tell.”
Everyone’s happy except that there’s a little shortfall in oil and poor Iraq ends up owing the Ruskies and the Frogs beaucoup bucks; like I mean BILLIONS baby! Anyway, the US, very nervous after 9/11, figure first they’ll zap UBL and his al Qaeda in Afghanistan. They go, whack a few heads (unfortunately not including UBL’s) and put their best efforts forward to install a “democratic” government. Meanwhile, the same lousy intelligence (which hadn’t figured out the back door deals that France and Russia had going on with Saddam) tell Georgie Bushy (#43) that the bum that his Dad (#41) let off the hook has WMD’s and he’d better finish off his Dad’s job.
Now here’s the kicker!
Imagine what happens when #43 phones up his buddies Alexander Putin and Jacques Chirac, ignorant of their “arrangements” with Saddam, and says “Hey, I’m going in to take care of business in Iraq so here’s a heads up. After all, we don’t really want any of your friends to get caught in the crossfire so you’d better tell them to leave.”
“Oops.” Say Alex and Jack – “we’ve got stockpiles of arms, ammo, you name it – a lot not yet paid for in oil or money. We can’t stop the invasion using votes in the UN – how embarrassing! When the yanks get to those cadres of goodies we’ve being supplying the Iraqi’s, mon Dieu, they’re going to add 2 + 2 and come up with 4! We’d better move all the incriminating new weapons off to Syria, Lebanon, Turkey . . . wherever . . . .before those US forces get there.”
The funny part? The above happened.
I guess what’s even funnier is when I read the GNR and Ndalima’s naivete prevents him from figuring out that this is exactly what happens when money is sent to Zambia. It is misappropriated and sent out of the country.
Is Ayub right?
Why worry about ZAMBIA – it happens all over the world . . . . . .
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 15:21:01 (UTC)
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Doug/Ali,
I think the low crime environment is more to do with full employment than radical punishment. However, the letters in the otherwise high quality papers here are essential reading every day. You could make a book out of them. One correspondent was strongly suggesting that Jemima Khan, former wife of Pakistani cricket icon Imran Khan be stoned to death for her affair with Hugh Grant. Serious stuff.
Old fart? I don't think so - marginally older than me so I couldn't go along with that!
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 06:58:20 (UTC)
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Chris,
I know that your mantra is, "Economics rules the world", but since you're fond of applying labels to everyone you might consider the two-dimensional political/social spectrum advanced by the people at The Political Compass. It's quite possible to have what have usually been considered left-wing views on economics while having what have usually been considered right-wing views on social issues, and vice-versa. This might explain Doug's apparent flip-flopping and why he might actually have more people nodding their heads when he writes than others. Your one-dimensional view of the spectrum is passé.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 04:10:20 (UTC)
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Ali
Remember Bubba? Well he says tuh tell yuh ma'am with respect thut iffn yuh wuz raised in Texas y'all woulda larned Texas geo-graphy and y'all woulda knowed thet Texas ain't no state it's the whole durned country. You jest ax a Texan, ma'am! Bubba wuz top o' his class and thet Pres'dint Bush was right smart too cuz he allus came second in class right smack dab after him not the width of a road kilt armadiller betwixt their grades. Yes ma'am!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 04:03:48 (UTC)
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The Vryheid closet communist suggests:
The sooner the Government renationalizes this the better. It is no use to privatize a government owned monopoly to a private monopoly.
Jislaaick Douglas, you sommer have me mightily confused. When we first started talking here, your views were full on liberal. Ag ja well no fine. At least we could talk. Then more recently you came out on the side of the arch conservatives, coming up with some very pragmatic conservative thinking. And then a complete 180 back to the far left. To suggest that the steel industry be re nationalised makes me shudder in my shorts. The only statement I agree with is about the monopoly factor. As I said earlier today, monopolies can be really bad news and without proper laws, rigidly enforced by the courts, they can upset the apple cart quite succesfully.
Now then, what to call you:
1- A closet conservative
2- A closet liberal
3- A closet Socialist/commie
4- All of the above
#4 would worry me a little because nobody knows where you stand, which allows you to duck and dive and then pop up elsewhere wearing a different uniform. A bit like an Italian war hero - who fights on the winning side!
Keep on trucking ou bees
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 03:52:59 (UTC)
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Craig ok.....so what state of the US would that really pertain to ?? Texas ?? ;O)
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 02:11:56 (UTC)
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Philip
Lovely spooky story. Sounds as though you scared your ghost just as much as it scared all of you.
Craig
Ted says Eh?
And sorry he'd talk longer but that's the only word he knows in Canadian ;-)
He's looking forward to a pint with you one of these days but he's a bit different in that he has enrolled himself in many advanced self-improvement courses in U.K. pubs over the years. The only one I remember not being too pretty to wake up to long long long ago was his introduction to Scrumpy in Devon.
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 23:07:22 (UTC)
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Ali,
No, as a matter of fact, the Canadians came up with those warnings for the benefit of Americans who come to visit, and are not used to drinking beer that actually contains some alcohol.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 22:08:07 (UTC)
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Chris
You have misunderstood me. Iskor was semi privatised some years back and supplied South Africa with steel at a fair price on which they made a profit. Now Mittal has got control he has pushed the price up to what is called import parity. Now we pay 50% more for all steel and products using steel and 30,000 people have been thrown out of work. Everybody has lost except Mittal. What a crap system. The sooner the Government renationalizes this the better. It is no use to privatize a government owned monopoly to a private monopoly.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 21:44:10 (UTC)
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BEGINNERS GUIDE TO SOUTHEN AFRICA (SOUTH AFRICA)
BRAAI
What is a braai? It is the first thing you will be invited to when you
visit South Africa. A braai is a back yard barbecue and it will take place
whatever the weather. So you will have to go even if it’s raining like mad
and you have a hang of a cold. At a braai you will be introduced to a
substance known as Mielipap.
AG
“Ag” is one of the most useful Southern African words. Pronounced like the
“ach” in the German “achtung”, it can be used to start a reply when you are
asked a tricky question, as in “Ag, I don’t know”. Or a sense of
resignation: “Ag I’ll have some more pap then.” It can stand alone too as a
signal of irritation or of pleasure.
DONNER
A rude word, it comes from the Afrikaans “donder” (thunder). Pronounced
“dorner”, it means, “beat up”. Your rugby team can get donnered in a game,
or your boss can donner you if you do a lousy job.
EINA
Widely used by all language groups, this word, derived from Afrikaans,
means “ouch”. Pronounced “aynah”, you can shout it out in sympathy when
someone burns his fingers on a hot potato at a braai.
HEY
Often used at the end of a sentence to emphasise the Importance of what has
just been said, it can also stand alone as a question. Instead of saying
“excuse me?” or “pardon?” when you have not heard something directed at
you, you can say, “Hey?”
ISIT?
This is a great word in conversations. Derived from two words “is” and
“it”, it can be used when you have nothing to contribute if someone tells
you at the braai: “The Russians will succeed in their bid for capitalism
once they adopt a work ethic and respect for private ownership.” It is
appropriate to respond by saying “Isit?”
JAWELNOFINE
This is another conversation fallback word. Derived from the four words:
“yes”, “well”, “no” (q.v.) and “fine”, it means roughly “how about that.”
If your bank manager tells you your account is overdrawn, you can say with
confidence: “Jawelnofine”
JISLAAIK
Pronounced “Yis-like”, it is an expression of astonishment. For instance,
if someone told you that there are over a billion people in China, a
suitable comment would be: “Jislaaik, that’s a hang of a lot of people,
hay”
KLAP
Pronounced “klup” – an Afrikaans word meaning smack, whack or spank. If you
spend too much time at the flicks at exam time, you could end up catching a
sharp klap from your pa. In America and Europe, that is called child abuse.
In Southern Africa, it is called promoting education.
LEKKER
An Afrikaans word meaning nice, this word is now used by all language
groups to express approval. If you see someone of the opposite sex who is
good looking, you can exclaim “Lekkerrr!” while drawing out the last
syllable.
TACKIES
These are sneakers or running/jogging shoes. The word is also used to
describe automobile or truck tires. “Fat tackies” are big tires, as in
“Where did you get those lekker fat tackies on your Volksie (VW), hey?”
DOP
This word has two basic meanings, one good and one bad. First the good. A
dop is a drink, a cocktail, a sundowner, a noggin. If you are invited over
for a dop, be careful. It could be one or two sedate drinks or a blast,
depending on the company you have fallen in with.
Now the bad:
To dop is to fail. If you dropped Standard Two (Grade 4) more than once,
you probably won’t be reading this
SARMIE
This is a sandwich. For generations, school kids have graded sarmies during
lunch breaks. If you are sending your kids off to school in the morning,
don’t give them liver-polony sarmies. They are the toughest to trade.
BAKKIE
This word is pronounced “bucky” and it is a small truck or pick-up. Young
men can take their “cherrie” (girl friend) to the drive-in flicks in the
bakkie, but it is not always an appropriate form of transport because the
seats usually don’t recline and you may be forced to watch the film. This
is never the purpose of going to a drive-in flick.
HOWZIT
This is a universal S.A. greeting, and you will hear this word throughout
the land. It is often used with the word “No” as in this exchange: “No,
howzit?” “No, fine.
MRS BALL’S CHUTNEY”
We don’t know if the lady ever existed, but if she did she has earned a
place of honour in S.A. kitchen history. Chutney is, of course, of Indian
origin and is pickled fruit prepared with vineger, spices and sugar. S.
Africans are known to eat it with everything, including fried eggs.
NOW NOW
In much of the outside world, this is a comforting phrase: Now now, don’t
cry, I’ll take you to the bioscope (flicks) tomorrow.” But in S. Africa,
this phrase means a little sooner than soon: “I’ll clean my room now now,
Ma” It is a little more urgent than “just now” which means an indefinite
time in the future.
TUNE GRIEF
To be tuned grief is to be aggravated, harassed. Be selective about using
the term. For example, if your bank manager calls you in for an urgent chat
about your overdraft, you should avoid saying “Hey, listen. You’re tuning
me grief, man.” That would be unwise and could result in major tuning of
grief. There are variations. You could say about your boss: This oke is
turning me uphill.”
BOET
This is an Afrikaans word meaning “brother” which is shared by all language
groups. Pronounced “boot” as in “foot”, it it can be applied to a
non-brother.
For instance a father can call his son “boet” and friends can apply the
term to each other too. Sometimes the diminutive “boetie” is used. But
don’t use either term with someone you hardly know – it will be though
patronising.
PASOP
From the Afrikaans phrase meaning “watch Out”, this warning is used and
heeded by all language groups. As in “Your mother hasn’t had her morning
coffee yet Boet so pasop and stay out of her way.” Sometimes just the word
“posop” is enough without further explanation. Everyone knows it sets out a
line in the sand not to be crossed.
SKOP, SKIET EN DONER
Literally “kick, shoot and thunder” in Afrikaans, this phrase is used by
many English speakers to describe action movies or any activity which is
lively and somewhat primitive. Clint Eastwood is good for a skop, skiet en
donder flick.
VROT
Pronounced – “frot”. A wonderful word which means “rotten” or “putrid” in
Afrikaans, it is used all language groups to describe anything they really
don’t like. Most commonly it describes frut or vegetables whose shelf lives
have long expired, but a pair of takies worn a few times too often can be
termed vrot by unfortunate folk in the same room as the wearer. Also a
rugby player who misses important tackles can be said to have played a vrot
game – but not to his face because he won’t appreciate it. We once saw a
movie review with this headline: “Slick Flick, Vroy Plot.
GRAZE
In a country with a strong agricultural tradition, it is not surprising.
That farming words crop up (pun intended) in general conversation. Thus to
graze means to eat. If you are invited to a bioscope show (movies), you may
be asked “Do you want to catch a graze now now?”
CATCH A TAN
This is what you do when you lie on the beach pretending to study for your
matric exam. The Brits, who have their own odd phrases, say they are
getting “bronzed”. Nature has always been unkind to S.African school
children, providing beach and swimming pool weather just when they should
be swotting for the mid-summer finals. If you spend too much time catching
a tan at exam time, you could end up catching a sharp klap from your pa. In
America and Europe, that is called child abuse. In Southern Africa, it is
called promoting education.
ROCK UP
To rock up some place is to just sort of arrive. You don’t make an
appointment or tell anyone you are coming – you just rock up. Friends can
do that but you have to be selective about it. You can’t just rock up for a
job interview or at a five-star restaurant. You give them a tinkle first –
then you can rock up.
SCALE
To scale something is to steal it. A person who is “scaly” is not a nice, a
scumbag, and should be left off your Christmas party invitation
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 21:22:37 (UTC)
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The Vryheid oukie warns:
Chris
Competition is the last thing on Mittal’s mind. In RSA he has a monopoly and has pushed up the domestic steel price to match what it would cost an importer to buy from foreign steel mills plus the cost of transport. Stand by for your domestic steel price to rise sharply. This will bump up the cost of your new Cadillac.
Here you go answering your own question - local prices are bumped to match the imported stuff. What does that tell you about the efficiency of Iscor?? Sound mighty poor to me, but then we always knew that. Government cannot handle anything well (SAA, SAR, ISCOR etc etc) Give it to the private sector and they will fix it. Now and again, we run into a monopoly situation, which is not good either. Over here there are laws which in large part prevent the growth of monopolies, and Seorf Efrika would do well to follow suit.
I have always been facsinated by the ebbs and flows of the free market. Stand back and take a look sometime at an industry over here (Airlines, phone companies, technology companies etc.) Over an extended period, they come and go and any voids will always be filled by someone who has a "better mousetrap". Colin in Pom writes about the collapse of British Industry. True perhaps, but so what? As an example, BR was a vast failure and Maggie not only realised it, but dumped it. Is it better today? Better ask the locals but one thing is for sure, for as long as Pommies need to commute, there will be someone to provide transport. As long as Govt gets out of the way, it has every chance of working well.
BTW, I do not drive a Caddie. I drive a 2001 Toyota Camry and a 1997 Chevvie Astrovan for the business. Now there is a tough industry - how would you like to head up GM, or Ford?
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 20:02:38 (UTC)
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Colin
I hear the last coalmine in Yorkshire has finally closed so that is the final shot in the Arthur Scargill / Maggie Thatcher war. Remember Maggie used to be called “Maggie Thatcher the milk snatcher” after she stopped the school kids free milk. Then luckily for her Argentina invaded the Falklands and Maggie regained her popularity by playing the patriotic card and sending the armed forces to evict the Argies. She must remember them in her prayers every night. Young Thatcher is still ducking and diving in Cape Town.
Keith
I think I must move to UAE. Sounds like paradise. Any jobs there for decrepit old farts whose only skill is blowing out the bullshit and playing FreeCell?
Ali
Sorry to hear about all the hassle with petty criminals. Our western justice system has gone completely overboard on the side of the bad guys and is now useless. Sharia law certainly has some attractions.
Chris
Competition is the last thing on Mittal’s mind. In RSA he has a monopoly and has pushed up the domestic steel price to match what it would cost an importer to buy from foreign steel mills plus the cost of transport. Stand by for your domestic steel price to rise sharply. This will bump up the cost of your new Cadillac.
Phil
Good story!
Our defense minister today gave a warning to all the South African National Defense Force members taking leave or resigning to do bodyguard work in Iraq. He mentioned that they were getting R60 to R70 thousand per month. Circa 10 to 12 thousand dollars or a years wages in a month. This will backfire, as even more people will rush for such money.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 18:43:19 (UTC)
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A Spooky Story
Hi all
Today I got closure on an incident that happened to three young ex. Northern Rhodesians about thirty seven years ago. Being close to Halloween I think it is appropriate.
To tell the tale I must first give you a little history of a place outside Pretoria called the Erasmus Castle.
East of Pretoria overlooking the Delmas road is a house built in 1903 by an eccentric farmer by the name of Jochemus Petrus Erasmus. The 27 000 morgan property is said to have been obtained by Erasmus's father in 1888 in exchange for a pair of velvet trousers and a salted horse.
Anyone who has ever seen the house will never forget it. It is a huge multi story mansion with tall evil looking towers reaching up into the sky. The Erasmus Castle as it became known was also a landmark and frequently marked on maps of the area.
The ghosts who are supposed to haunt the place are said to be the spirits of two or three of the Erasmus's children who were kept locked up in the main tower after it was found that they were suffering from leprosy.
It was around 1966 when Sid VanZyl, my girlfriend who had just arrived from Zambia and I had been to a late night drive-in show. As the drive-in was in the area of the "Haunted House" Sid and I decided to show the house to my girlfriend. (Nothing like stories of ghosts and haunted houses to get your girlfriend to sit real close to you.)
Sid and I tried to time our arrival at the house to be as close to midnight as possible, so taking a slow drive after the show we arrived at the turnoff to the house and started up the driveway. As the house is set a distance from the road and the approach being a potholed dirt track we had lots of time to sych each other up before getting there.
I was driving with my girlfriend sitting next to me with her hand on my leg. I was concertrating on driving as we approached the derelect old house when all of a sudden I had this excrucating pain from my inner thigh as my girlfrind dug her finger nails into my flesh.
My old Taunis 17M mk.1 had a six volt electrical system and not the brightest of lights but enough light to illuminate the veranda. Now I am not one to believe in ghosts and things like that, but I felt the hair start to rise on my head as we stared at the stoep. There on the veranda was this white apparition just standing there looking towards us. Well it didn't take much prompting to get my car in reverse and get out of there.
I have always wondered what it was we saw that night as the place was reported to be deserted.
Today I was reading a book about South Africa and came across an article about the same house and which I think explains what we saw. At least it makes me feel better.
"One particular night, a veld fire threatened the property and necessitated calling out the fire brigade. However, what the firemen didn't know was that a night watchman used to sleep on the stoep and that the man was hard of hearing and wore a long, old-fashioned white nightshirt. When the fire brigade arrived at the scene of the fire, the night watchman, disturbed suddenly from his sleep, lept up off his bed and ran around in panic on the veranda. As Eric Bolsman says, that indeed must have been a "ghostly" sight to remember!"
Cheers
Philip Pain, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 17:10:18 (UTC)
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Nsamwa Ndalima,
I read your posting with interest. You are trying to do a good deed. Before you try and request help from anyone please try and bear the following in mind:
1)People will not send cash donations without proof of a Charity being registered; proof of Bank account being in the Charity's name; list of names Trustees; statement of accounts etc.
2)As has been cited by other board members..the area of Charity is littered with misappropriation, scams and such like incidents not only in Africa, but in the Third World in general. Sadly we in the UK fell victim to this when we collected large amounts of money for earthquake victims in Gujarat, India a few years ago. Most of it landed in the pockets of Government officials in Maharashtra!! Anyone who misappropriates money destined for the poor should,in my opinion, be punished severely!
3) If you have had permission to build an Orphanage in Luanshya, please give details to members on this board. You also need to be in Zambia to oversee the project and keep a close scrutiny on its running. Sadly there are many crooks around.
4)The best way to help the needy in Zambia is to deliver the clothes/food items etc personally to them. You involve a middleman at your own risk! Never give hard cash to the poor..it often ends up in the tills of beer halls!
You have a tough task ahead..
Kevin,
I note with interest your concern for Zambia and also note that you cite instances of the economy improving under his new Government. I don't know if you will know the answer to this...I am curious to know how many Ministers in the current Cabinet also served in the Cabinet of Chiluba?I know my old pal Dipak did..any more?
Also, a friend of mine worked as a Gynaecologist at UTH for the past 15 years. Being a Zambian (of Indian extraction) he served the hospital well and had a lot of concern for the welfare of Zambians. His monthly pay after 15 years of service..$1000 a month! Last year a report came out (statement of accounts..Barclays bank Annual Report)) citing some Barclays Bank officials (all expatriate workers) were being paid yearly salaries in excess of £200,000 (two hundred thousand pounds!).Now do you blame this friend of mine... who has now decided to go abroad.
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 14:24:48 (UTC)
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Linda if you are not winding me up size 8.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 12:22:04 (UTC)
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Hi Norma
Good to see you posting. You might not remember me but I was at school with your brother Gordon. I remember he once invited us to your house to see the pups your bitch had, that was the first time I met you. I was also friends with Ray he was going to join our band The Planets- myself, Kevin Mason, Stewart and Kerry Burns. I also met your mom when she came to Edinburgh to visit Mrs Thompson (Cate) Cathy Alexander’s mom. How are you all?
Sorry I don't know Christine Glasgow.
Cheers.
Nicky.
Nicky Kontou, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 12:18:24 (UTC)
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Linda, I heard that after you grew up it was like this:-
There was a little girl
Who had a little curl
Right in the middle of her forehead
When she was good
She was very, very good
But when she was bad
She was BETTER
Doug Gorton, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 12:07:27 (UTC)
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Craig are you the reason for all of these.???(giggles)
Canadian liquor manufacturers have accepted the Health Canada's suggestion that the following warning labels be placed immediately on all varieties of alcohol containers:
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you are not.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a retard.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your friends over and over again that you love them.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you can sing.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe that ex-lovers are really dying for you to telephone them at four in the morning.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you can logically converse with members of the opposite sex without spitting.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are tougher, smarter, faster and better looking than most people.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing WITH you.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause pregnancy.
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may be a major factor in getting your ass kicked.
WARNING: the crumsumpten of alcohol may Mack you tink you kan tpye reel gode
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 10:46:40 (UTC)
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Keith
Maybe we in the west should bring in "chopping off the right hand " for thieves...believe you me they need it here in Perth at the moment, in the past week my car has been broken into twice and 2 days ago my Ringnecked Parrot was taken in broad daylight, cage and all.....oh and my two daughters bikes were stolen too..and to make matters worse there is continuous traffic so anything suspicious would be noted.....hahaha nah....bring in the axe I say.......
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 04:07:01 (UTC)
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A few random thoughts after reading the board.
"Scottish" Oil ???
Good old Maggie who turned Britain around after Harold Wilson et. al. 2 days after denying he would devalue the pound he said "Yes, we have devalued the pound but not the pound in your pocket."
The stone age didn't end because we ran out stones and the same will apply to oil. It's already happenning. The energy of the 19th century was coal, the 20th century oil and this century it's gas.
Crime and murder. Economics rules the world: Could be true right here in the desert where there is no unemployment and 4 foreigners are resident for every local. They are here to do the work. No unemployment, no begging, no dole queues or social security departments. No time to commit crime. Cars parked with windows open and computers, cameras, etc., left inside. Very old fashioned and rather special. Cars double park blocking in others but leave the keys in the ignition so that the person blocked in can move the other one out of the way. Long pedestrian underpasses below major roads with long white walls and no grafitti. No hoons in car parks, shopping centres or school grounds yet there are plenty of teenagers and young folk here.
Just a few observations by a newcomer on some of the old fashioned positives to be found here. Yes , there are a few minor negatives, but not worth mentioning and easy to live with. Get on with life; enjoy the positives and push the minor irritations into the background.
My memories of Zambia are 90% positive but that's the way our memories work!
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 03:45:51 (UTC)
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Keith
And at a non-refundable 12 quid per ticket, guess who is laughing... grin. How are you doing over there in the desert?
Bwana Grins:
What size boots did you say you wear? I've been looking for size 16 cowboy boots to bring over for your early Christmas pressie, but all the boot stores are telling me that you have given me a whopper of a story about the size of your feet.
Talking about feet, how many ladies out there learned to dance by standing on their dad's feet and waltzing around the room with him when they were little? Dunno why I thought about that, because I have been taller than my dad since I was 3. Fat lot of good it did me anyway, since my mum was asked not to bring me back to ballet school when I was 4. Bleddy ballet teacher had no appreciation for "individuality" and "free spirited dancing". To say nothing of a beautiful rendition of "Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum" while executing the pirouette with my tutu up around my neck. Stupid scratchy dress thingey anyway! I really don't know why people thought I was such a terror as a child. I thought I was quite angelic, really. Take a look at the archives of August 27, 2000. A man came round to the house that day and asked if he could write a poem ahout me. Mum said okay and this is what he wrote:
There was a little girl
Who had a little curl
Right in the middle of her forehead
When she was good
She was very, very good
But when she was bad
She was horrid
Okay, no more silly buggers from me tonight.. grin.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 01:30:38 (UTC)
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CHRIS: Ecomomics may well, in the long run, win, but politics do have a lot to do, in the interim, with the fiscal well being of many commodities, as was exposed by Blair last year in the very same steel industry re his nonsensical assertation that many jobs were at stake ( about 10 in London ) when he supported an Asian Steel Company in its takeover bid. ( This has nothing do with the fact that the aforementioned Company made sudstantial donations to his Labour Party) A dictator such as Blair (( and any other " Democratic Leaders") which have now become a joke since the times of Thatcher)), can do, what which they want with the powers of the National Economy, sic. behind them, such as the UK, USA, etc at their bidding. There can not be any defense against ; this considering Thatcher squandered billions of pounds of Scottish North Sea oil revenues willy nilly on anything which took her fancy, including wars, massive increases in wages to the Services, Army, Police Forces, and anyone else who could keep her in business, with no sound "economic" reason as to her behaviour. What did she leave in the UK? No manufacturing infracture left to speak of, ie shipbuilding, engineering, automobile, aircraft, consumer products etc..? The tourists? To have a wee peek at the the marvels of yesterday.! Thats all about whats left. (Today we are told China is runing out of oil; they can rest assured they are not the only ones)
In Retreat, regards, Colin.
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 01:26:17 (UTC)
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P. NSAMWA NDALIMA LUNGU
No, no, no - rattling your tin cup is not the answer!
For forty years now Zambia has allowed self-serving scum to rule the country - now if they want a FUTURE for Zambia, the sad truth is that they have to earn it.
How do they earn it?
I'm not sure they can . . . . but, a good start would be to get rid of the "new rubbish" - obviously some of them haven't turned out to be as good as the "old rubbish".
Now, Zambia has a REAL problem doesn't it? What has it got that anyone wants?
You see, Iraq with a similar problem has OIL - something that the country YOU now live in WANTS!
When Zambians figure out that their most precious resource are the people who love that country and would do almost anything to live there - provided there were some immutable free hold land ownership laws in place and a general sense that there was a rule of law and that it was enforced . . . . . . THEN and only then will Zambia find a quick way to get you, myself, Ayub and countless others to go back.
Can you just imagine an African country saying one day in the future "Maybe they learned something and now that we've allowed them back and given them a second chance, they're not as bad as we thought they were."
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 00:46:43 (UTC)
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No more vodka for me. I'm going to bed!
Lizd, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 23:01:03 (UTC)
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The Congolese Refugees - I may be repeating myself but age permits that priviledge!
I don't remember them coming into Luanshya but we only arrived there at the tail end of 1960 although I recall neighbours talking about having them stay. But I guess they didn't stay too long.
My memory is from our first holiday 'down south' when we went to Umhlanga Rocks in about 1962. In the way of children, I quickly made friends with a girl of my own age called Danielle Marien who spoke not a word of English but coming from the Congo and speaking French, was so exotic and sophisticated, that I just HAD to have her as my best friend. They had a blue/green Ford Taunus which was vastly superior to our Zephyr (or was it a Consul?) - bog basic anyway in comparison. Her clothes weren't homemade like mine, they had labels and were really smart and such pretty shoes, all like nothing I'd ever seen before. There was Maman, Danielle and an older brother whose name I can't recall although I can still see his face and they were very different to my, seemingly, mundane family. As children do, we managed to converse without any difficulty at all (amazing that. How come we can't do it as adults?)
When the entertainment laid on by the hotel palled (the Indian magicians -'watch cloley' and old movies), they would head off to Durban, dragging me (totally willingly) along with them, to go window shopping. But this was no ordinary window shopping and I'm sure that my parents weren't aware either. It turned out that one night, in the Congo, there was a bit of a fracas and Pappa had gone to check on the children and had been caught by a stray bullet, through the neck and curtains for him. So Maman, Danielle & big bro had come on holiday to Umhlanga but with the ulterior motive of purchasing a suitable headstone for him. Our nightly window shopping trips in Durbs were around the many undertakers looking at memorials and wax flower display options. Very illuminating!
But we have, of course, had Congo refugees since then. Early 90's? They came over in their hoardes, with horses, vehicles and all kit and caboodle while the sh*t hit the fan yet again.
Lizd, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 22:59:17 (UTC)
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Pardon me for being a sceptic but like Kevin, I think that there are more bogus orphanages etc. than real. $1000 for chairs for the Helen Kaunda Library? As I recall, there was no room for more than a couple of small tables and 2 or 3 chairs. Maybe. $1000? A couple of hundred thousand K's would do the trick. Books? Yes. But I doubt they would last more than a week or two. Donate by all means to Da Gama Home which has been running for many many years but even then, I would doubt the wisdom of donating cash. Books, blankets, beds, medical supplies. The list is endless. But cash? Big NO NO. In all fairness, the temptation is too great, and I am not denigrating the worthy people who do so much for the little ones who have so little. I would think that it would be far better to donate cash to a responsible person to then purchase the required goods in Zambia to give to a worthy cause. Anyone who has lived in Zambia over the years has seen too many instances of donated goods ending up for sale, clearly marked 'donation from EEC, Russia, USA or whatever'. The blankets donated by the Russians after the Lusaka disaster, name eludes me -Kamwana? - were the best blankets I had seen for many years. The tins of ghee, clearly marked donated from the EEC which were sold in CBC and so on, ad infinitum.
So donate to your little heart's content but be reasonably assured that it's doubtful whether the intended recipients will ever benefit.
Lizd, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 22:17:14 (UTC)
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The Vryheid liberal/conservative reports:
Lakshmi Mittal is taking over US's International steel group to form the world's biggest steelmaker in a deal worth US$17.8 billion. Stand by for tens of thousands of personnel to be laid off.
Well good. The US steel industry has been over unionized and increasingly inefficient for decades, and losing to cheaper stuff from foreign steel mills. Just like Boeing having to lay off due to competition from Airbus. Competition is healthy. It keeps people on their toes, looking for new and improved products/services at competitive prices. Surely you are not suggesting that Mittal should be prevented from doing the deal, and people like me keep on paying for the well being of thousands of steelworkers?
In the final analysis, economics rule the world.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 20:10:47 (UTC)
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As a child, I must have been about 5 or 6 years old, I remember the "French Ladies and Gentleman" who came to share our home in Bancroft. They were refugees and one of them left me a letter (in french) which I was only given in my high school days. It was very interesting to have that letter translated by my teacher, in our class, almost 10 years later. It was a letter of thanks and appreciation; of hope and humanity. It gave me great pride to have had been a part of sheltering these people. I was in boarding school in South Africa at the time.... strange how my fellow class mates didn't think much of it. It was a moment that would stay in my mind forever.
I am grateful to my parents for helping these people. Especially my father Peewee, who was an inspiration in my life. May he rest in peace.
Desi
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:52:35 (UTC)
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Chris
Lakshmi Mittal is taking over US's International steel group to form the world's biggest steelmaker in a deal worth US$17.8 billion. Stand by for tens of thousands of personnel to be laid off.
By the way Lakshmi is named after the Hindu God of wealth. An apt choice.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:48:31 (UTC)
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Looking for John Adams.
Ian ( my hubby) and John went to the same school together in Kabwe, and then were apprentices at Nkana mine during the 1960's. John then went to Rhodesia. Ian lost touch ages ago, but has very fond memories.
It would be nice if he could to get in touch with John again.
ianwatson@iksupplies.demon.co.uk
25 Beanoak Road, Wokingha, Berks, RG40 1RH. U.K.
thank you
Kathy
Kathryn Mary Watson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:32:10 (UTC)
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Gordon
I definitely remember it being reported in the papers that the miners getting 104% bonus when the copper price reached 400 pounds. Maybe this was just before 1958 when you say the copper price crashed. I left school for the army at the end of 58. The only copper bonus I ever got was on Nchanga mine in 1962 and then it was down to 38% I think.
Ayub
The police have been refusing to release crime statistics for about a year now so we are kept pretty much in the dark. They only released those figures because they say that they are an improvement. The big cities are where the main crime is but we still have sme problems in the smaller places.
As for shooting we are only allowed to do so in protection of our own or family members life. We cannot shoot a crook driving our car out of our yard because our lives are not under threat. I would shoot anyway and explain later that I was aiming for the tyres but just shot the thief because I am such a poor shot.
We are allowed to carry licenced guns for self-protection. I always conceal mine because even many police are killed by crooks to steal their guns. The police are not allowed to fire at suspects fleeing a crime scene. If a cop does shoot somebody, regardless of circumstances, he is immediatly charged with murder until an investigation proves otherwise.
In Swaziland if you shoot a thief the police will probably congratulate you for saving them the trouble.
Meg
I am sorry to hear about the farmer being charged for shooting that scoundrel. A similar thing happened in England a short time back, and the farmer was jailed. What a disgrace. The current law has even less to do with justice than it did previously. As for the travellers a couple of petrol bombs might give them a hint to move on.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 18:13:53 (UTC)
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Nabbed this from the pub across the river. For Seorf Efrika, one could also read UK, USA, Peoples Republic of Candadia, and others:
Noah and The New Ark
In the year 2004, The Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in SouthAfrica, and said, "Once again, the earth has become wicked andover-populated and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build anotherArk and save two of every living thing along with a few good humans."
He gave Noah the blueprints, saying, "You have six months to build theArk before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights".
Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard..... but no ark.
"Noah", He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"
"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah. "But things have changed. I needed abuilding permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the needfor a sprinkler system. My neighbours claim that I've violated the neighbourhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision.
Then South African Transport and Eskom demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power, trolley and other overhead obstructions,to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I argued that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.
Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the Giant Spotted Owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls. But no go!
When I started gathering the animals, I got sued by an animal rights group.
They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. As well, they argued the accommodation was too restrictive and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.
Then Kort Broek of Environment Affairs ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.
I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many previously disadvantaged individuals I'm supposed to hire for my building crew.
Also, the trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark building experience.
To make matters worse, the Customs and Revenue via the Scorpions seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.
So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least ten years for me to finish this Ark."
Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean you're not going to destroy the world?".
"No", said the Lord. "The South African Government beat me to it!"
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 17:41:28 (UTC)
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Linda,
Since your promise to behave at the Tytherington Bash dozens of guys have decided not to go!
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 17:21:42 (UTC)
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Linda - me being quiet hey?
For those that can't remember the ant and the grasshopper story which posted some time ago, here it is again.
Why is being repeated?
Well, I'm working on a posting which makes this story a bit more meaningful, however, it is taking longer than I intended it to since I am finding it difficult to write in the simple language that it takes for certain readers to understand.
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The Fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper
CLASSIC VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well-fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well-fed while others are cold and starving.
CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing "It's Not Easy Being Green."
Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing "We Shall Overcome." Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake. Al Gore, reemerging from his self-imposed exile, exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."
Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.
Senator Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed, during a Senate recess, from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.
The ant loses the case.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug-related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 17:00:23 (UTC)
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Donald Sydney!
You bugger! Thanks for emailing me to let me know your posting about your wife being concerned about me was nothing more than a tongue in cheek joke from the pair of you. I did not realise that, and you got a good one over me. I really did grovel to her in my private email didn't I?
Whoever the people were who emailed Syd in my defense, you are good folks! He said I must have a lot of friends. Well, yes... but I'm also about 50 quid short now for having them do that... grin.
Payback time will be very sweet, Syd. grin. Perhaps you should send your wife to the party instead and avoid public humiliation.
So, Kevin, Johnny, Tom, Dick, Harry, Archibald, are we still on at the party then? oops
Glen:
You're awfully quiet.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 13:08:37 (UTC)
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Gordon
You are excused for getting the wars mixed up. It was a very minor issue
My father had a blasters licence and he worked at Mufulira during the 2nd World War
He survived a serious accident at work when he and a number of other miners were thrown out of their lift that was bringing them to the surface. It was the same lift that was used for bringing up rock etc and the operator forgot he had humans in the cage...
He turned it over and a number of the miners were seriously injured, even killed by the fall..
My father survived by hanging onto the upturned cage.
The careless operator had been listening to music on a radio (against regulations). A friend of his rushed past removing the radio and the operator escaped serious prosecution
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 12:41:04 (UTC)
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It was interesting reading about the Congo Refugees down below...brought back some amazing memories.
I remember standing at the Stop street on the corner of F Avenue and the main road out to the Congo Border (7th St? ) in Muf, and just seeing a continuous stream of cars, filled with totally dejected, exhausted people only too pleased to have made it out alive...then on the second of the "big" nights, I think, a Dakota had to be hastily called and stopped from landing on number 10 fairway at the Golf Course...our house overlooked the 10th green, and it was pretty scary stuff...I recall a "posse" of cars screaming out to the runway at the local airfield, and switching their lights on for the Dakota to land....
And then...after the many many people had finally left via plane for Belgium, row after row of abandoned cars in the parking lot at the Rec Club...all pretty heady stuff for an 11 year old at the time!
Paul Cowie, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 11:18:00 (UTC)
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Would anyone know the where-abouts of Christine Glasgow, her father's name is Jim and her mother Agnus. They lived in Geddes Street. I think she left Kitwe somewhere around 1963-66. I think she went to live with her Grandmother in Scotland.
Norma Wood, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 10:18:09 (UTC)
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Nsamwa
Following your plea for assistance allow me to post an extract that appeared in the press this morning.
“ *Commerce Minister Dipak Patel says Luanshya Copper Mines has so far made investments amounting to US$21 mln since taking over from Roan Antelope Mining Corporation of Zambia (RAMCOZ) on January 24, 2004. The Company has also embarked on the Local Business Development Programme aimed at empowering local companies – The Post, Tuesday October 26, Pg 9 ”
The duty charged on second hand clothes and toys is on many occasions more than the value of the items so it is not a good idea to ask for such gifts as it is calculated on CIF values then 17.5% VAT added.
I am sorry to say this but I have been involved in charities including the Childcare and Adoption Society of Zambia for many years until recently and I have seen a proliferation of “orphanages” spring up. Most of them are basically scams where the vast proportion of donated money goes to the pockets of individuals.
While I am by no means implying that you are lumped with others building orphanages wouldn’t the money that you collect be better spent supporting the Da Gama Home for Children in Luanshya run by the Catholic Sisters?
Zambians who want to help Zambia should do so by returning and using their skills to better the lives of the less fortunate. We have over 600 doctors trained at UNZA at the Zambian taxpayer’s expense working abroad and countless hundreds of nurses.
Kevin Shone, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 08:58:43 (UTC)
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HELP SAVE ZAMBIA
Asking all ex Luanshya and Ex Zambia people living abroad to help rebuild Luanshya.
I was born in Luanshya, and now living in New York City, for the past 6 years. Luanshya is a disaster on the brink of human catastrophe. First Roan Antelope Mine was sold then, it came to a halt!
As you all know, the Copper Mine was the Backbone of the town, after the mine went bankrupt, almost every one lost jobs. Mpelembe drilling closed down it existed because of the mine and other companies that supplied the mine closed down.
The mine hospitals, which were such a pride, are now nothing but shells, all the Registered Nurses and doctors have gone to the UK.
Being such a small town, no one remembers Luanshya when it comes to Aid. Most NGOs all concentrate in larger cities and towns, and Luanshya is always over looked.
It is this sad tragedy that made me realize that running away from Luanshya without looking back will not solve or help the situation.
I am a registered nurse and I did work at Luanshya hospital for several years. I know what HIV/AIDS has done and continue to do, not only to Luansyha but to the whole nation. But for Luanshya it is harder; Luanshya is a small town forgotten by most, it has been hit by two worst known human tragedies Endless POVERTY and HIV/AIDS.
As Ex Luanshya people my Sister {Theresa} and I have started a foundation called "SAVE ZAMBIA"S FUTURE FOUNDATION' 'savezambiasfuture.org' [SaZaFFo] which I am running and my sister Theresa is running it’s an affiliate "BOOKS FOR ZAMBIA" ‘booksforzambia.com’ where she asks people to donate used or new books to HELEN KAUNDA LIBRARY. The books program is doing very well. Just recently a well wisher from Nevada, USA donated one thousand dollars for chairs for the
Library.
I am asking all Ex-Luanshya people abroad to donate any used clothes, shoes, books, bedding, toys and also monetary funds to help feed and cloth the raising number of orphans in Luanshya who are a result of the HIV/AIDS pandemic.
The address to send any donations is:
SAVE ZAMBIA’S FUTURE FOUNDATION,
PO BOX 90644,
LUANSHYA,
ZAMBIA.
There are people in Luanshya who are working with the local Catholic Church to distribute the donations to the Orphans.
I have plans to build an orphanage in Lunashya; the local council has been gracious enough to offer the foundation a piece of land in KAMIRENDA to build the orphanage and a clinic. We need to purchase the land and also start building. I am asking any one who can to give a monetary donation of any kind, a dollar is enough
[ FOR MORE INFORAMATIOM PLEASE SEE THE WEB SITE ' savezambiafuture.org' ]
All Monetary donations can be sent to :
SAVE ZAMBIA’S FUTURE FOUNDATION
P O BOX 350755,
JAMAICA, NEW YORK 11435’
USA.
I am also looking for members to be on the board of Directors for the foundation.
Please contact me
My name is:
P. NSAMWA NDALIMA LUNGU
Tel: 718 297 8597
E-Mail: tasilat@aol.com or pnlungu@lycos.com
I Can Not do it alone I need help; we are the only ones that can help build Luanshya again. Please do it with me.
Other ways you can help is get your local communities you live in to send donations; even one pair of shoes will help one child.
Remember most of these children have no parents we are the only hope they have.
I believe in the power of unity and togetherness, lets us work together.
On behalf of the orphans of Luanshya, thanking you deeply in advance.
P. NSAMWA NDALIMA LUNGU RN [ founder-SaZFFo]
Ndalima Nsamwa, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 04:21:56 (UTC)
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Robert,
That's very interesting. I was in Arizona last month and noted the number of people there "packing heat". According to the deputy sheriff with whom I was staying, in Arizona one doesn't need a permit to carry an unconcealed weapon, and so people do. I suppose in a perfect world we'd all get along and wouldn't have to worry about defending ourselves but, if I was living in Arizona, one of the first things I would probably buy would be a handgun. As you say, it might give people cause for second thought if the other guy might be carrying, and if I found myself in an undesirable situation I'd certainly want to be carrying in case the other guy is.
Wasn't Dirty Harry your mayor once?
Back to more "germane" discourse. :)
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 03:52:34 (UTC)
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Meg,
In spite of the vilification directed at these United States and its inhabitants, I have a wonderful tale to tell.
In a few short years, the State of Texas has reduced it's violent crime crime against persons by some 37%. Why you may ask? Simple. It is a law passed by the Legislature labeled, "The right to carry." If you take a simple course in the use of a firearm you can, by law, carry a concealed weapon.
Not knowing which members of the public may be carrying heat, fewer attempts are made on the general public by would be thugs.
Here in California should I find some hophead in my house in the middle of the night he would be shot. Consider this compared to some poor Brit who is tormented by "travellers" and subjected to three violent burglaries, and should he defend himself, be prosecuted and then sued by the defendent for damages.
I wonder whatever happened to the English adage, "A mans house is his castle."
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 03:35:14 (UTC)
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Mike,
I did in fact mean the Korean War, why I wrote Vietnam War I don't know. Probably because it was after midnight and we were enjoying one terrific tropical storm. There was no way we could get to sleep so decided to put finger to key.....
If George Bush and Tony Blair can end up going to war for the wrong reasons, then surely I can be excused for mixing up the odd war. It was in deed the Korean War.
Somebody noted that they thought the Copperbelt Miners were getting huge salaries at the end of 1958. This is not so. In 1956/57 and the beginning of 58 the Rockbreakers were indeed earning a huge Copper Bonus. However, this disappeared rapidly as the price of Copper slumped in the middle of 1958. In June 1958 the crunch hit the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. Bamba Zonki (Salisbury) was the hardest hit of the three countries. Funding was cut in every direction....Banks, Building Societies, Mortgage Companies, Government and Quazi Government Projects, (e.g. the re-construction of the Bulawayo/Vic Falls road stopped dead). There were several suicides as a result.
In Luanshya mine township almost all of the secondary and tertiary industries went belly up as the Mine cut its outside orders to zero.
I drove past Bancroft Mine late October on my way to look for a job at the Union Minieres - Hauts du Katanga. I didn't get a job there as I did not have a Blasting Licence and their "School of Mines" was closed until sometime the following year. The massive drop in the copper price had hardly appeared to affect life in Katanga and Elizabethville with its parks, Zoo, big swimming pool, popular Golf Club and the Night Clubs were as swinging as ever. We made friends with the owners of the Sabena Night Club and lived high on the hog till mid December when we returned to Salisbury.
The two hundred desparate white miners camped in their cars along side the main Bancroft road were a very real reminder that conditions were terribly different in Northern Rhodesia.
At some point earlier in the year, with the rock bottom copper price Bancroft Mine had closed onto a care and maintenance basis...until further notice.
The white miners I refered to had been miners all their lives, that was all they knew. There were no jobs for them on any of the other Copperbelt Mines. They had no money left not even a tank of gas. They could not return to South Africa and in any case even if the did the probably could not have found work. Their only chance was to hang in until possibly the mine reopened (which it did in 1959) in the hope that they could get re-employment.
The care and maintenance staff on Bancroft had to contend with keeping the mine pumped dry 24 hrs. a day as the ingress of water in 1958 was 6 million gallons per 24 hrs.
I started work in the School of Mines in January 1959 at Stork Shaft, Luanshya Mine and it was later that year that the Congo Refugees poured down from Katanga. I was moved out of my rather comfortable Rondavel and repositioned in "B" section Single Quarters as were many others to make room for some 40 or 50 Belgian Refugees.
At Kitwe I saw the Fire Engine that two (enterprising or desparate) families managed to escape in from Elizabethville. Two other families from Jadotville managed to escape through the bush onto the Solwezi Road and into Chingola in a 7 ton tip truck loaded with building materials. Three others came down on a motorcycle.
In September 1960, I left Luanshya Mine and some hours later went to work on Bancroft Mine where I worked six days a week, 12 hr. shifts on the 620 level for 9 months. At that time the Mine was pumping 10 million gallons a day of water out of the mine when I started and 24 million gallons a day when I left 9 months later.
The Copper Bonus that was paid to the Rockbreakers upto the copper crash in 1958 dissappeared for good. In its place Miners received a new form of bonus called the Metal Bonus.....this included a bonus for output, a powder bonus, no accident bonus etc. etc. but wages never reached the heights of the days of the Copper Bonus.
Whilst indeed some huge salaries were paid back in the 50's there were some equally huge hardships. I got a job at a moments notice on Bancroft Mine because the miner before me had just got killed in an accident. Within a week of my leaving Bancroft Mine the miner who took over my job also died, in a mud rush. The salaries were good but believe me you earned them.
Gordon Foster
Gordon Foster, Antigua [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 03:28:14 (UTC)
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Will the "real" Linda Dore please stand up!
Contrary to the amazing stories about me on this GNR (grin), and all of the bantering back and forth among friends who know me well, anyone who was around me at the Banbury Bash will actually remember that I was rather subdued in comparison to how "lively" I am in my postings on the GNR. Not so?
Wives, girlfriends, and anyone else wondering if I am going to tear the clothes off their partners at the Tytherington Tiyende, my response is, "I should be so lucky... grin"
No seriously, Mrs. Sydney or anyone else, I am quite harmless and while I do love to give friends a warm hug and love to laugh and joke, you will not see me do anything that would disrespect my relationship with my husband, or disrepect your relationships either.
I add to the remarks of Fiona and Tina that we are a very friendly group, like one big happy family, and would love for you to come and meet us and enjoy some African hospitality. You will be made to feel welcome and I hope you consider coming.
Johnny and Kevin... stop grinning, you buggers! My nose is already poking through the screen of my PC.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 22:52:52 (UTC)
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Vis a vis Murder
A week or so ago, a farmer in his fifties living alone in an isolated farmhouse in County Mayo shot dead a Traveller (official term for travelling folk, although the ones who live near us have been stationary in their caravans on the roadside for the last four years, and have turned what was once a picturesque layby on the banks of a pretty river into a giant outdoor jacks). However, I digress, the said farmer is now being charged with murder one. John "The Frog" Ward, his "victim" had made a living over the past twenty years by brutally robbing and beating up elderly farmers living in isolated rural areas. The said farmer had been burgled four times in one year, and was returning home when he came upon Ward and his nephew breaking into his home. He shot him, Ward died, and a huge contingent of Travellers gathered outside the farm demanding "justice". The farmer is now under 24 hour police protection, (other elderly farmers are now relatively safer in the North West ) and everybody I have discussed the case with has said with firm conviction that Ward deserved what he had got. The Chief Superintendant stated that a homeowner cannot use "lethal" force when protecting themselves or their homes. Nobody will ever be able to get the opinions of the three elderly men who have died this year as a result of being beaten whilst being robbed at home, (cases unsolved), wonder what they would have said. Compared to SA we live in a safe haven, I hope for everyones sake that the crime rate in SA stops spiralling. Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki, Ireland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 22:19:43 (UTC)
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Hello Gina Sydney!
So many of us are longterm friends or have become friends on this site that we do a great deal of ribbing, teasing eachother and exaggerating out here on the message board. I do this especially. I have a humourous cartoony mind. Linda doesn't swing from chandeliers she goes around hugging all the girls and guys, spreading the friendly caring warmth of her personality and making great conversation. Reunions, as Fiona says, turn out to be friendly, relaxed, chatty, heartwarming, good-eating social gatherings. You are a lovely potential new friend and it'll be lovely to meet you - this gathering if you attend, or next one if you don't.
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 21:22:04 (UTC)
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Doug,
Over the years I found that Pharmaceutical company shares are the best bet!
Is there a pattern to the murders you mention in SA. Are they committed at weekends when the beer flows freely? Or are they mainly linked to robberies? Which towns/cities are most at risk? I know Joberg is one. Are you as citizens allowed to arm yourselves? If so, can you shoot in self-defence. I know in Zambia the cops tend to shoot armed robbers on sight!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 21:21:20 (UTC)
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Nog 'n piep
Check this
http://africantears.netfirms.com/thisweek.htm
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 21:10:24 (UTC)
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South Africa's murder rate is down to an average of 55 per day! That is 20, 000 in the last year or 47.4 per 100, 000 of population. Compare this to the USA with 6 and Europe with 2. Only 11% of murderers are found guilty.
Compare this to that minor disturbance in Iraq where only between 10, 000 to 15, 000 people in total have died since the invasion began. The American share of this is only just over 1000 equavalent to about 2 weeks total in RSA. Sort of brings it into perspective? No wonder South Africans are lining up to work in Iraq. Apart from the big money, it is safer there.
Before anybody accuses me of being callous let me say I do feel sorry for the poor guys who loose their lives in both places and more so for the grieving relatives they leave behind.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:47:29 (UTC)
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Donald
We're all nice people on the GNR. As far as the bash goes, I don't pretend it's going to be anything like a couple of the previous ones which were HUGE! However, what I do promise is good company, good food (including good wors and steak) and good beer (Castle). With good old GNR'rs how could it not be a good night? If your wife changes her mind and decides to come she will be very welcome. I'm sure she will enjoy herself.
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:47:10 (UTC)
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Tina & Johnney & others going to the Tytherington Bash
Please note, my very good lady will not be able to atend the Tytherington bash. However she will sit with me as we read some of the postings on the screen. She, being a English lady and not having been to Zambia, can not understand some of our ways. Having read some of the postings about someone called Linda who will be atending the bash, she is now dropping hints about lost car keys, no clean or ironed clobber, or even up grading to a 3 by 5. I keep telling her that no one will look at a old boy like me, what with a metel knee, apair of half glasses and very few of my own teeth, very little hair but all she says is "Well I married you and are you saying I have bad taste"? So I just shut up like most men and think this is going to be one hell of a bash.
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:31:57 (UTC)
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Biltong makers. For a biltong making video by Tiger Glen of Mufulira go to this link.
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Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:31:31 (UTC)
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Dave Heaton
Re stock markets. Business times reports on last Friday that the year to date capital return on the South African JSE's All Share Index was nearly 12%. The American Dow Jones was minus 6%, the German Dax minus 2% and the British FTSE 100 index nudged into positive territory with 2.6% gain. So South African stocks are beating the worlds best.
Ayub
I don't play the stock market because I invested offshore and got hammered by 2 things. First the crash after 9/11 and then the doubling of the value of the rand against the dollar so I repatriated my funds at a worse rate than I had bought them. I think the only guys who really win on the stock markets are the stock brokers and their pals. The rest of us are just cannon fodder.
South African property trust funds have gain 38% in the last year, and are still rising. People who invested in our Telkom initial public offering have more than doubled their money. Unfortunately I did not go for either. A fund that gives a good return with very little charges is 'Satrix Top 40' that tracks the top 40 shares on the JSE. Anyone interested could check
http://www.satrix.co.za/default/home/
With most of the top 40 being commodity producers (gold, diamonds, platinum, iron ore, coal) the prices can only rise with the increasing demand from China and India. Couple this with the ever strengthening rand and it is worth a look.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:21:59 (UTC)
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Rocky
Being wrong can be lots of fun hey? What a recipe!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:12:42 (UTC)
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Robert
You are right about the school hall being used for the people from the Congo. Working with the WRVS, I spent almost the whole of my school holiday in the old tuck shop helping to dish up hot soup with bread rolls to people who had very little. Most of my time was spent in peeling veg, buttering bread, or handing out coffee. Some refugees had a bit of money, but as it was Congo money it was worth nothing. No one was charged for any of the food that was passed out, and a lot of the food was donated by local people as well as some of the busness in Ndola. There were some people in Ndola who would buy cars from the refugees for next to nothing, until the goverment put a stop to it.
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 20:06:14 (UTC)
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Hi Graeme
Welcome to GNR. I am new here myself and I have found some old friends already. Really a great site. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
Desi
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 19:54:34 (UTC)
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QR in green recalls:
(one of my tres amusing nicknames at school Chris was Meg Ratbicki, oh how I laughed!)
Ag ja well no fine. LIfe is great if you don't weaken, but better when you do??
On the subject of rats (and not very "germane" - sheesh, how I hate that term), you should bring your rat catching pussy over here. Hawaii has a long history in cane and pineapple production and he/she/it will have a moosh time catching some of the massive cane rats that still occupy the islands. M A S S I V E , and moerse groot together at the simultaneously same time as well as also too.
Have a great weak (sic)
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 19:00:45 (UTC)
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Johnny and Tina,
You're both wrong. There's a recipe for "super-charged" coffee olé at DrinkStreet. Now we just need the bull. :)
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 18:37:25 (UTC)
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Johnny ol hon
That is café au lait. Coffee Ole is when Lindy has drunk so much at the Tiyende that coffee won't make a blind bit of difference. Headaches when she is feeling no pain are unlikely to cross her mind when she is swinging off the chandeliers gaily waving her 2x4 and flirting with you and Kevin and a few more beside. They come the next morning.
Love ya Lindy!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 17:54:34 (UTC)
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Hi All
nrzam.org.uk has information on The Lumpa Uprising including newspaper reports from Monday 27th July to Monday 10th August 1964
These newspaper cuttings are from a scrapbook sent by Craig Ing, son of the late NRP member Chris Ing.
See Miscellaneous/ Lumpa Uprising
Regards Ian
Ian Singer, Scotland [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 16:24:43 (UTC)
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Gordon i did not say that they were catered for in the police club they were served coffee oley which i gathered was coffee with milk in french by my wife and several other ladies, and on there fair well party at the Lawrence Allan Hall it was a full house that lasted until the early hours of the morning and a lot of friend ships were formed that night Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 15:28:12 (UTC)
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Johnny,
By 1965 membership of the Lumpa Church was estimated to be around 65,000; mainly in Chinsali District. The Church was given a deadline by the incumbent Government (20th.July 1964)..for dispersement of the armed stockaded Lumpa Villages. It was ignored and on 22 July two Policemen were ambushed and killed. Lenshina was eventually detained; but subsequently escaped in 1967. She was recaptured by the MPLA and was returned to the Zambian Police. Most of her followers had fled to the Congo; where they remained as refugees. There were also problems in 1968 between UNIP and the Watchtower Sect (Jehova's Witnesses)..which had over 40,000 members. The problems (no allegiance to any authority,refusal to salute the flag etc) were the same as the Lumpas. Again in 1968 I think many of their homes were destroyed by UNIP followers in the Luapula Province. Many lost their jobs too. Perhaps Meg you may be referring to this period? Subsequently many of them too fled to the Congo. As to where Alice is today...she did say she would come back after death!!!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 14:16:37 (UTC)
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Refugees were also temporarily housed in the main assembly hall of Llewelyn High in Ndola.
Robert Worrill, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 12:00:19 (UTC)
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Hi,
I am new member, and a little uncertain about when and how to comment on some of the topics on the message board. That is, I note some of the recent correspondence re the refugees from the Congo - with respect to peoples' recollections as to where they were housed, and so on. I suspect there were multiiple temporary drop off points for them. As somewhat bewildered teenagers, we were amongst the adults who collected quite a large number of fearful looking Belgium families from the Railway station in Ndola, and then ferried them to hastily vacated stables at the Horse and Pony Club near the airport. The stables in turn became their brief makeshift home whilst en transit to goodness knows where.
Cheers,
Graeme
Graeme Schreuder, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 11:16:00 (UTC)
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Hi Johnny,
I must disagree with your interpretation of the congo refugees being catered for at the police station!!! The Chingola Youth Club was commandeered for the initial interview and from there they were sent on to other copperbelt towns or as nightfall approached they were billeted in Chingola.
I know this as my keys to the youth club were commandeered by the powers that were and I then spent many hours guiding the refugees to their billets.
Gordon
Gordon Dixon, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 09:59:16 (UTC)
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Kevin you can sit in a cupboard in her bedroom for 4 or 5 hours waiting for her to stagger up the stairs legless only for her to say Ive Got a Head ache.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 09:57:00 (UTC)
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LUMPA UPRISING
Anyone interested in the facts of the Lumpa uprising in 1964
would benefit from reading John Hudson's book "A Time to Mourn" which gives, in my opinion, a balanced account of that tragedy. Tim Wright's "The History of the Northern Rhodesia Police" also has information on the revolt.
Mike Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 09:55:13 (UTC)
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John Parish
Paul has a business going in Mpulungu, sadly Hugo passed away a few years back.
Linda
Quite mfazi, do you want Johnny to know that you have promised yourself to me and start another uprising
Gordon
Zambia unfortunately took a left turn under KK. Just before he nationalized practically everything a Bill had been passed in Parliament establishing a stock exchange and I often wonder if that would have been the correct path for Zambian ownership of companies.
The Lusaka Stock Exchange (LuSE) recently celebrated 10 years of its existence, 5 years ago the index was set at 100, it is now over 700 keeping well ahead of inflation.
Kevin Shone, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 08:06:33 (UTC)
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Robert I must agree with you about the Belgian exodus from the Congo I along with a few more police men were assigned to disarm them all as they entered all of them by car into Chingola where unless they had friends or relatives in NR were directed into the Chingola Police club for Cafe oley and then if they wanted to stay in Chingola were taken into the homes of the many generous house wives who came to the station to see what help they could give there was not as far I know any of them living rough.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Meg the reason it appeared to be a brutal disolving of the Alice and the Lumpa sect was that the most of them were crazed fanatics who set themselves up as a state of there own refusing to respect the Flag, and refusing to obey the laws of the country, they made the mistake of killing a NR policeman who went to serve a minor summons on one of them or arrest him I am not sure now but that is when there bubble burst, and with Lenshina telling them to smear there bodies with excreta and urine would make them invinceable to bullets was the cause of the high death toll that ensued, I have mentioned this before in an earlier ediion on Lenshina Sikota Wina was the minisister of law and order and on interview on Tele after the carnage replied to the interviewer when asked if the sect had learned any thing from the afternoons activities replied yes they have learned that exreta and urine does not stop bullets I am not sure of the figure now but I am sure it was in excess of 300.
Lenshina was housed in the Congo I think after the carnage and I seem to remember the doctors pronouncing that she was effected by syphlis on the brain is she still alive?
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Meg your question to Myneer Tamm on what animal he would prefer to be I bet the first one that came into his mind would be KING RAT. All have a nice monday Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 07:14:38 (UTC)
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Anyone out there!! who lived in Chipata,Kawbe Or Lusaka from 1970-81 I'd love to hear from you, Although I left in 1981 part on me will always be in zambia.
looking for Pail & Hugo Nielson
John Parish, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 05:11:36 (UTC)
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Lumpa uprising
A few months ago I posted extracts of letters written by my father when he was in the Zambian Rifles stationed in Chinsali, these were dated after I was born, (l963), and described his distaste at the "cleaning up" operation that he found himself involved in. He told my mom that suspects were routinely beaten up so badly they on occasion died, and this haunted him. He also wrote of the orderly way that the followers of the Lumpa church lived their lives, they had co operatives which ran in very efficient ways; some soldiers came upon a sewing co operatives building, lines of orderly machines, finished products stacked neatly, accounts all up to date, and my father recounted how they totally trashed the place. He also came across a bloodstained letter of safe passage dated l.ll.60, (3 yrs before I was born, exactly), signed by a Kalemba Lembwini, for Lemshina Mulenga, stating that the bearer of the document should have safe passage through Lumpa territory. I still have this document, the bloodstain rather gives it a macabre feeling. It has a very official looking rubber stamp on it which is headed "Lumpa Church, Kasomo, Chinsali, N.Rhodesia.
Mr. Tamm, I was being nice! I stated that you are human! If I am Queen Rat, what animal do you want to be?
Heather, did anything happen vis a vis "Hector" and his journey through Africa? Id love to know! Also, I am in a position to scan those papers of my dads through, do I still scan them to you? I have a few photos as well of Lusaka boys school staff in I think, l953, whom do I scan photos to? M
Ciao, Megs, (one of my tres amusing nicknames at school Chris was Meg Ratbicki, oh how I laughed!)
Meg Rybicki, Ireland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 25, 2004 at 00:21:10 (UTC)
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Chinyerezi Chintu,
I do think that you and Gordon Foster are mixing things up a bit.
You may well have witnessed Alice Lenshina's early moments in starting her Church, but the violence came AFTER the country was granted independence.
As for the Belgian expatriates huddling in cars alongside the road at Bancroft. Foreget it. Nothing of the sort happened. They were well off, most of the Lumbumbashi and Elizabethville Belgians came through and were housed temporarily in Chingola/Nchanga. Some stayed with me. They were short of sterling and some people did well on the exchange. This by the way was in 1961.
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 21:44:16 (UTC)
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So sorry, I forgot to say.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY ZAMBIA. May you live long and may your people support you.
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 21:14:36 (UTC)
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Sems that there are many negative people in here. So, the beloved countries are taking a knock. Well, it will take time but if we all just stand around complaining and critisizing then we are ALL part of the problem. All talk and no action. Where did that ever get you?? Read my message from 23/10. Will the first perfect person please stand up and take a bow..... Will the first perfect Country please do the same....!! Bikash, I notice that you are very negative. So, hows your personal life doing? Problems? I wouldn't be surprised. If you could all just stop complaining and try to do something then your own life and the Countries you support would do sooooo much better. This has been no easy battle but there is an end. It is up to the strong ones to end it. The weak are the ones that complain. Why is it that I don't see the Natives of the land in here complaining? That is because they are out there trying to do something about it and we are in here speculating. Grand Stand Players.... that's what we are! Proudly Rhodesians?? Good Ol' Zamboons? Hell we are great..... sitting here and giving advice..!!!
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 21:11:24 (UTC)
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Ayub,
You are absolutely correct. There are a number of shinning examples of successes in Zambia that came into being after 1964. As you mentioned, UNZA was one, the UTH & Med School was another. Kafue power station and lots more. There were MANY pockets of excellence.
I do believe that under the right kind of leadership and guidance, Zambia can develop into a nice country again, it will take time to heal though.
Zambia is the only country that I know where one can have apples, oranges, bananas and mangoes growing I the same garden.
Not to mention that Zambia once produced the best lager that I have ever tasted.
Bikash Paul, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 20:52:41 (UTC)
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Gordon Foster
The Alice Lenshine uprisings started in the colonial days in the fifties. I know because I was in Chinsali during that time.
I doubt it very much that there could have been hodes of unemployed "white miners" in a camp anywhere on the copperbelt. Mining was very profitable in those times. "White miners" in those days were paid better wages than others.
The only thing that I was thinking you may have seen could have been refugees from the Congo, Belgians mainly.
I found your discription of events mixed up dateswise. You seem to be muddled up as to who did what and when generally.
I think there are people on the GRN who were in Chinsali during the earlier years of the Alice Lenshina sagas. There are also some who were there and can recall the fall of the Belgian Congo. Perhaps these people can help shade the light on the issues you raised.
Chinyerezi Chintu
Chinyerezi Chintu, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 20:11:34 (UTC)
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Mike
I also think Gordon has got his decades mixed up. Old timers disease maybe? It certainly gives me a big problem. In 1958 or was it 59 the miners were getting 104% copper bonus. Those were the days!
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 20:06:30 (UTC)
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Gordon
I have also been wondering if it was the right decade as you mention ' 1958, the end of the Vietnam war'
This actually ended in the seventies.
Or did you mean the Korean war?
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 18:57:42 (UTC)
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Bikash,
See from your profile that you studied at UNZA and that you came to Zambia in 1970. UNZA was built shortly after Independence and was a positive step taken by the Government at that time...if it had not been built neither you, nor 35,000 other students who have graduated from there since then, would have had the privilage of studying there! Now there is something positive for you to think about! Don't forget the International Airport too! Otherwise a good analysis!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 18:20:28 (UTC)
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Gordon Foster wrote:
"I happened to drive up to the Congo in late 1958 and on the way while passing Bancroft Mine witnessed the awful site of some 200 destitute white (almost all South African) miners living in their cars at the side of the road.
Daily these Silicosis stricken miners made the journey on foot at 4.00 a.m. first to the Personell Office to see if any jobs were available. Thence to the towns Supermarket to beg bread, corned beef etc. fill up their water containers and limp back to their camping ground."
Gordon,
I do believe that you have your decades wrong. There were no destitute white miners living in their cars at Bancroft in 1958. In fact some of the highest wages were being paid there at that time, as dewatering demanded a sizeable work force. There may well have been men seeking work, but times were good. As mentioned previously, I spent some time as an Under-Sheriff and Bailiff for the Solwezi District, of which Bancroft was a part. I spent many an hour playing golf for Nchanga against Bancroft and saw no deprivation such as you describe.
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 17:59:32 (UTC)
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Zambia's 40th Independence Day celebrations. What is there to celebrate about? Kanuda? Chiluba? What about Mugabe or Banda? Fiscal indiscipline? Corruption? Intimidation? Theft? Murder? Hope for the future?
The Spiraling down of the economy and the country started very shortly after 1964. The socialist model used by Kaunda, "1968 Speech" basically slammed on the brakes on developement. Infrastructure collapsed rapidly after 1970, and the collapse actually accelerated after the introduction of "one party participatory democracy" in the early 70s. Once productive farms in Zambia were turned into mini deserts when the "imperialist farmers were driven out and the farms taken over by more "appropriate people". Sounds familiar? Similar trends, though a lot more violent, under Mugabe?
The party and its government became absolutely powerful and power breeds corruption. The situation was not helped by the "pride projects' Mulngushi Hall for example and Mulungushi village. Then of course we had Tazara fiasco. Need we go on?
Kaunda stayed in power 16 years longer than he should have. Chiluba Followed the example.
The condition of the country has bottomed out. Can't get any worse! Let us hope and pray that there is enough strength left in the country to rebuild and enough faith left in humanity for investors to go back and help rebuild the country again.
There are some positive signs though. Latest we hear, the mines are being run by private enterprise and tobacco farming and processing being started commercially by farmers displaced from Zimbabwe.
Having lived in the country for 18 years, I yearn to return. Will that be possible within the near future - who knows?
In any case I wish the country and those that live there all the BEST.
Bikash Paul, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 15:37:19 (UTC)
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Doug,
Antigua - Sir Viv Richards
One of their best and a living cricket legend.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 15:29:42 (UTC)
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Chris
I understand your reasons for not attending the Kariba reunion.
As to some of the attendees of the Livingstone Bash posting negative reports about Zambia, this is because it was probably their first return visit since they left, and they were comparing the present situation with the situation in the 60's.
You say, "That same deterioration I witnessed in Zim is taking place in Zam." In fact the deterioration started in Zambia in the early 70's and by the time Zim started to seriously go down in the early nineties Zambia had already hit bottom and was starting to recover. If our posters had compared the situation between the early 90's and 2003 (Liv Bash) they would have seen that there is a big improvement. As Gordon Foster says, "The Country would appear to be heading slowly upwards".
Gordon Foster
You are a person who could quite rightly be very bitter about the losses you made after having invested so much in the development of Zambia. Your positive attitude is indeed refreshing. Your Scots ancestors obviously guided you well in salvaging what you could out of a deteriorating situation. I see that you now live in Antigua. I know nothing of this island except it conjures up visions of palm trees, golden beaches and blue seas. Maybe you can tell us something about your new home.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 15:07:35 (UTC)
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Ali,
Good stuff about Wangari Maathai.
Linda,
What was that language again? Fanny galore?
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 12:40:59 (UTC)
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Jurina,
I do not make any claims about being this site's boss neither do I have a desire or inclination to to be one. Thought you made the reference to Hitler and KK's handkerchief in the same breath! Anyway, you are free to write what you want. Tiyende Pamodzi! Cheers!
Tina,
Thanks!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 11:38:38 (UTC)
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Ayub
Who made you the boss of the site?
Who gave you a badge of office? Who said anything about the Jewish folk? Where do you get that aspect from? <:( ?
I'll stop the debate when I want - NOT when you decide. Get over it. I can make any comparisons I SEE FIT. Freedom of thought is still just that free, NOT regulated by some religous or political organisation. You have your path & I'll stick to mine. OK?
Cheers, or is that wrong too?
Jurina Lang, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 11:06:09 (UTC)
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That link to the map of Kitwe posted by Peter below appears to be not working, here is the link to the main map page:
http://www.zambiatourism.com/welcome.htm
Robert Worrill, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 09:58:49 (UTC)
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Take a peek...
An interesting map of Kitwe...
Not sure how old but it still shows the racecourse.
www.zambiatourism.com/ travel/maps/kitwemapete.htm
Peter Dielissen, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 09:03:46 (UTC)
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Gordon Foster
That was a very interesting posting, thank you. Let us all hope for prosperity for dear Zambia .....it is obvious to us with our membership that she is a very loved country........HAPPY BIRTHDAY ZAMBIA !!!
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 07:11:05 (UTC)
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Kevin,
I worked in and around Zambia from the 50's through Independence in 64. In fact in 1964 I was building the Pump Station at the Muf. Rapids on the Kafue and I do not recall any resistance or uprising nor do I recall KK having an Army of Freedom Fighters. U.N.I.P. had the usual gang of Political thugs that accompanied most Political meetings...which were best kept well clear of.
There were however several farming areas that had been taken over by Rhodesia bound Freedom Fighters. For instance there were several hundred living around the Mkushi area in barbed wire surrounded farms and there was another large camp of Shona speaking Freedom Fighters near Choma....but these were destined for the south side of the Zambezi.
Alice Lenshina and the Lumpa uprising occured I think sometime after 64 but the date escapes me. This however was mostly a Religous thing.
There were some food Riots in the late 70's particularly in Kitwe and other Copperbelt towns but these were due to a hike in the price of maize. Otherwise the 50's, 60's and 70's were pretty peaceful times in Zambia.
To my way of thinking Zambia's troubles started in earnest when KK began following Julius Nyrere"s anti-capitalist cult. In the early 70's J.N. began rounding up the unemployed thousands in Dar-es-Salaam where he shipped them up to the Serengetti and other areas to form "Ujamaa's" (self sustaining agricultural villages).
All residential property in Dar-es-Salaam was conficated by the Government. Each building was given a number and a plaque on the side of the building that said "Msajili wa Majumba"....(Registrar of Buildings). The owner was allowed to chose which apartment, or flat, or house he wished to reside in with his family. The remainder were given out to Party Officials and top Government Employees.
On I think it was the 25th June 1975 KK had an 8 hour speech on all the media where he attempted to do the same thing in Zambia.
All freehold land became leasehold overnight. All blocks of flats became the property of the Government...allbeit with some thin provision to reinbuse the owners for the unexpired portion of their ownership should it have been for less than 10 years. Above 10 years the owners received nothing. In point of fact few apartment owners never received a penny. Industrial Property and Housing apparently untouched by this June 1975 edict were next on the list.
After listening for many years to KK and his speeches about how Foreigners should invest in the country and everybody should pull together to build up the country, I had, in one day lost all the financial confidence in Zambia that I had built up in the last two decades.
I looked at the property I had built up and was leasing out in Ndola and the commercial warehousing I had built to lease out to companies such as Johnson and Johnson (300,000 sq. ft.) and saw the whole lot going down the tube.
I continued to finish outstanding Civil Engineering contracts I had with Bwana Mkubwa Mine, Ndola City Council, Ndola Airport et al, and when these were finished I quietly sold up and over the next couple of years quietly sold all the property I had to the current occupants. The big warehouse I could not sell as I had to offer it first to the Government who would only give me a small fraction of its value. I got round this by selling the company who owned the warehouse, and quietly left Zambia.
At that time Johnny Reynolds a good friend of mine from Ndola and others were spending at least an hour every lunch time at room 114 at Police Headquarters answering questions as to why they wished to emmigrate from Zambia. How did they get their funds out of Zambia? They had to show all their overseas bank statements, local bank statements and answer a barrage of questions that I thought I could well do without.
Probably no one could have foreseen the devastating impact of the HIV/AIDS crisis that was to come. But many like myself could see the writing on the wall for Zambia's Economy. We had a Mono Economy.... Copper with nothing else to back it up. If Copper failed we were in deep dudoo.
I was in Salisbury in 1958 when in the month of June alone 500 Companies went belly up. This was as a direct result of the US Government at the end of the Vietnam War, first stopping stockpiling of Copper and then later in 1958 they released all their stockpiles of Copper onto the market.
At that time the price of Copper slumped from over 600 Pounds Sterling a ton to 120 Pounds a ton where it hovered until 1959 when it started slowly to creep back.
I happened to drive up to the Congo in late 1958 and on the way while passing Bancroft Mine witnessed the awful site of some 200 destitute white (almost all South African) miners living in their cars at the side of the road.
Daily these Silicosis stricken miners made the journey on foot at 4.00 a.m. first to the Personell Office to see if any jobs were available. Thence to the towns Supermarket to beg bread, corned beef etc. fill up their water containers and limp back to their camping ground.
The Jugoslave Company...ZECCO did start to make an attempt at large scale Maize production. They bush cleared and plowed vast areas north of Lusaka, and indeed planted and harvested some corn. Unfortunately either their Government or the Zambian Government put a rapid stop to their foray into agriculture, reminding them that they were a Construction Company.
It is indeed a sad pity that ZECCO or any other organization with the finance and the muscle and the farming know-how did not turn vast tracts of Zambia's flat grassland into corn or other crop producing farms. If the Rhodesians could turn the crackling dry lowveldt north of the Limpopo into thousands of hectares of irrigated cropland surely we with five rivers at our disposal could have had a viable secondary industry.
At this point I would like to add the sorrow and utter disgust I felt when I watched that beautiful forest of African Mahogany bulldozed to the ground and burnt. I refer to the Ndola/Kitwe road which I think is now called the Msansa and the Chichele Plantation. This beautiful forest was replaced with SMK Pine, supposedly an 8 year growth commercial pine tree.
I don't know whose incredibly ill found decision it was to plant these pine trees but as far as I know they are pretty much a dead loss. The wood grows so fast it virtually cannot be cured or seasoned. I bought several hundred fence poles from the Plantation and in two years they had split and bent almost double so they looked more like Arabic script than a serious attempt at fencing.
We tried making boxes from fine sawn timber but they twisted and split in every direction. The furniture Companies tried to do something with the timber but gave up. The Construction Industry wouldn't touch it and finally the only useful suggestion that it be made into matches and so match factories sprung up everywhere. The Factory in Ndola caught fire and burned down spectacularly. The Factory in Lusaka blew up. The Asians who were considering building a third match fatory in Kitwe changed their minds at the last moment and it became a bakery instead.
The market value of the African Mahogany that was bulldozed into heaps and burned was later estimated to be of the order of 7 times the value of the grown pine plantation. Furthermore the market for this African Mahogany was in Europe where it would have fetched hard currency.
There were other agricultural and tourism oriented possibilities in the 70's that other investors I know of were seriously interested in. However KK's 8 hr. speech sent them fleeing.
Was KK one of the pocket filling corrupt African leaders? I don't know. When I lived in Zambia I didn't think so. I considered him one of the eternally power hungry breed who made one political mistake after another. If he had not tried to follow the political leadings of J. N. I might have stayed a little longer in Zambia. But the wholesale fraud and theft by KK's Government was indeed getting to me.
Zambia is a wonderful Country with an equally wonderful potential, but if the leadership is not there then the Country will only join the sorry list of West African down and outs.
The AIDS figures appear to have dropped from circa 25% to some 16.8% and if these figures are anywhere near correct this is another encouraging sign.
Good luck to those who live in Zambia, Happy 40th Anniversary, the Country would appear to be heading slowly upwards.
To those of us who used to live there may we remember our time there with fondest memories.
Gordon Foster
Gordon Foster, Antigua [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 06:52:50 (UTC)
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Ayub
It's up to you, but there are lots of polite, friendly folk on this site to reply to and discuss things with. You can just ignore the pignoramous replies if you want to. Your call, but are they really worth your time?
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 06:15:53 (UTC)
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Queen Rat in the Green Country:
Would the real Chris Tamm please stand up.
Standing up!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 01:08:32 (UTC)
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Would the real Chris Tamm please stand up. Usually his postings leave me speechless with rage, my jaw rigid with unspoken swearwords,( and I'm sure I develop various tics and strange head movements, ) and then I read a posting from a nice guy, who loves tiger fishing, downing beers, and has a grown up family who havnt murdered him yet, scroll to the bottom of the posting, and lo and behold, it is Chris Tamm. Please Chris, more of the happy Zim and Zam memories, and less of the icy invective towards those who incur your vitriol! As there are only 55 days to Christmas I thought that I would post a Chrimbo memory.
My brother spent a very drunken fishin, shootin, drinking Christmas with inlaws at Kariba about l5 years ago, and was nominated to play Santa on Christmas day. The idea was for him to arrive at a small beach in a rowing boat laden with presents for all the kids, both related and belonging to the staff of lodge they were staying in, (Zim side I think). However, the only Santa outfit anyone could find was one made in China, and plastic. Seethrough plastic. After copious amounts of beer and cheer, and one hours sleep, Father Christmas, aka my bro, was steered into the boat, rowed out a small distance, and then rowed back to shore with an audience of small children and hungover adults awaiting. As this ghastly, sweating, hungover Santa rowed desparately toward land, some of the kids shouted, thats not Santa, its uncle Ed, and he's drunk, and then as he landed his boat, falling out of it, most of the staff's children simply broke ranks and fled, wailing loudly, the lure of presents no match for the horrid apparition that purported to be gentle old Santa! A lodge dog had the right idea, and launched itself at him snarling wildly, and my brother staggered up the beach shouting "ho, ho , f*****g ho! to the rapidly departing kinder! He was never asked to be Santa again. Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki, Ireland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 00:15:12 (UTC)
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Linda.
I arrived in England two years ago -- also with the barest of essentials (thanks to Uncle Bob). I did however, manage to retrieve most of my photographs, paper cuttings and the likes of such.
To date, most of this has remained unpacked, so I am not sure what I have and what I don't have. I just know there is a lot there. I will sort it all out very soon and will keep my eyes open for anything of interest to you -- don't worry, I won't forget.
Take Care.
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 23:50:38 (UTC)
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Mirana Beatty.
Gary Beatty.
Jack Wardell.
Thank you for your very exciting e-mails. Right now something has come up that will keep me away from the computer for a couple of days, thus preventing me from answering in length, Hold fire, I will will come back to you by Wednesday.
Cheers,
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 22:59:36 (UTC)
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Mirana Beatty.
Happy Birthday.
Have a wonderful day.
Love,
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 22:29:06 (UTC)
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I have only fond memories of Zambia in my heart and I will be back soon. I was born there and I grew up in what I consider to be a wonderful place. All of you that try to find fault with "it" please look at where you are now and if YOU are happy. We all have our faults. People do, countrys do, and so does life. You are not perfect and so the Nation may not be perfect in your eyes. We are all trying to better ourselves. Well..... just maybe the Nation is also trying.......
Desi
Desiree Van der Spuy, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 21:49:03 (UTC)
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E-mail
To those who have been waiting for e-mail from me, it's on the way.
Ploys
One would hope that conservatives have ploys too.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 21:44:11 (UTC)
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Zumla,
You just don't get it do you? What has Cabinda have to do with anything in the current thread? Another diversion away from Zambia.
Stay focussed, and you will receive the attention you are so desperately craving for.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 21:16:39 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm,
Getting irritated...are we? You should trundle over to the bar and wish Zambia well on her anniversary! Just for tonight eh! old chap! After all, we love Zambia!!
You should have watched a programme on Channel 4 here tonight ("Unreported World")on Angola..your mind will boggle with whats going on there...Oil-rich Angola ...billions missing, palaces being built..private jet been owned by the President's daughter..the poor scavenging from rubbish heaps..and guess who is the bedfellow in keeping the regime going??Check out who is drilling in Cabinda..now there is a clue!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 20:00:25 (UTC)
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Professor Zumla chastises:
Chris Tamm.... Widen your vision a bit more!
No no old chap. What you need to do is become a little more (make that a lot more) focussed. Little snivelers like you will never be able to adress a dodgy tree because all you can see is the jolly old forest.
Zambia is Zambia is Zambia. The problems there have nothing to do with anything/anywhere else.
Now put on your blinkers and start focussing on the matter. Remember the old formula for problem solving:
1- What is the apparent problem?
2- What is the real problem?
3- What are the alternatives?
4- Implement the best alternative
5- Re evaluate regularly
Seems to me from your dartboard type of postings here, that you have great dificulty defining even the apparent problem.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 19:37:04 (UTC)
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The Vryheid Oukie:
Start saving now for next years reunion at Kariba. Excuses not accepted.
Sheesh, wouldn't that be lovely! I don't know if I have mentioned this earlier, but I have been back to the dark continent only once after leaving Rhodesia in 1980. That was in 1989 when I was able to enter the International Tiger Fishing Contest at Kareebs. We left Los Angeles on a Friday and arrived at the crack of sparrows on Sunday. Picked up by the family, showered, brekkie and by 10.00am we were on our way to the lake. Established camp and got ready to fish. By 2.00 am that same night, I was still kicking but have no idea why? We had consumed gallons of Lion Lager, all the boeries and beef and chops man could ever have slaughtered. A hippo came wondering through the camp knocking down a few tents. There were 1800 Rhodesian fishermen there. It was perhaps at 2.00am that a thought crossed my mind - Why did I ever leave this place?
We spent 5 days there and had a glorious time, checking out all the old hotspots, but the deterioration in infrastructure was evident everywhere. We headed back to brightlights and then spent another 10 days in the country, driving to Bullies to check on my mother, buying bilting at the Enkeldoorn butchery, had a beer at the Midland Hotel in Gwelo and checked out the bank where I had started my career back in 1962, the Casserole where I rented a room etc. But when the time came for me to return to LA, I was ready for it. I was totally dissolusioned by what RGM and his crew had done to destroy the place in which I had a very small role in building up. I said to myself at the moment I purchased the exit tax stamp, that I would prefer to never go back.
I read with great interest the reports filed by some of you who went to the Livingstone bash a few years ago. That same deterioration I witnessed in Zim is taking place in Zam. I have some brilliant memories of the 6 years or so I spent up north, and truly would prefer to keep those locked up. If I was to return to Lusaka and visit all those old haunts, I would be frustrated to the n'th degree.
In any event, we now own a business which is allied to the construction industry and can really only close at Xmas time. We choose to visit all those fabulous touron destinations around and in the Pacific. We have been to Bali, New Zealand, Australia, Fiji, Tahiti, Samoa, Thailand, and this year will be in the Dominican Republic. Both (adult)kids join us every time. Life is good, and there is another lifetime's worth of trips yet on the horizon. We have decided never to visit the same place/country twice. Micronesia, Melanesia, and Polynesia have dozens of places to occupy our annual vacation planning, and all are relatively speaking, in our back yard.
Sorry to waffle, but if we don't show up at Siavonga, you will understand why.
Did you watch the NPC Final last night? Now that was an exiting final.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 18:54:57 (UTC)
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Namaste Harshadbhai
Enjoy Diwali the festival of lights.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 18:15:05 (UTC)
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Chris
Blue Bulls beat the Cheetahs 42 - 33. Next the Boks will be heading for UK and Argentina. Start saving now for next years reunion at Kariba. Excuses not accepted.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 18:02:30 (UTC)
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Hi Craig:
Any progress on the threaded message board?
Signed,
Ever hopeful... :)
Glen:
The answer to your final question in your email is send me a ticket... :)
Kevin:
Did you instruct your banker to send 12 quid or 24 quid. Just checking the situation... :) Oh, stop running. You are safe with me. Whaaaaaaaat??
Maxie:
Without trying to sound self-centered, by any chance do any of your clippings or photos of softball days have me in them? There is a huge chunk of my life missing in that area. When I came over here, I had my whole life in 2 suitcases and really had to choose what to bring. Photos did not seem that important then and I regret not bringing what I had. I have a small handful of photos of my life, but a million memories. If you have anything about me (that is not incriminating..grin) that you could share with me, I would be very grateful. My kids are always asking why I have nothing of my life to show them in photos. (They are sick of seeing the one Kamfinsa mug shot now...) The same goes for anyone else who might have a photo of me, please?
Tytherington Tiyende Attendees
If you have not sent your money to Fiona yet, please make arrangements to do so. She would like the money by the end of this month. We have about 35 people coming now. I am really looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting some of the wonderful people who have been emailing me lately. If you don't know what I look like, I will be the one in red, and will probably have Bwana Grins hanging on my shoulder.
"Tiyende and Mosis, Nshima and More!"
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 16:51:42 (UTC)
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Pappy,
Banda was a brutul dictator. There are many cases cited about his brutul rule. No point defending him.Many people disappeared during his rule. Just to cite a few examples. In the 60's and 70's many Jehova's Witnesse's were murdered by his dreaded Paramiltary (The Young Pioneers). This group went around Malawi harrasing and beating anyone who dared to say anything against this man. In 1983 three Government ministers and MP's were arrested for having deemed to have criticised him. They were then found to have mysteriously died in a car accident; having been perfectly normal in custody. The main opposition leader at that time,Mr Chirwa,was kidnapped from exile in Zambia by Banda's agents and taken to Malawi where he was sentenced to death (as was his wife). He was given no legal representation. His sentence was only commuted to Life because of International pressure.The MD of Press Holdings Ltd (Mr Aleke Banda) was locked up for 4 years after citing an "unsecured" loan going into Banda's account. Anyone who did not stop and salute his passing Motorcade was severly beaten and locked up.His dreaded Preservation of Public Security Regulations Act made many live in fear!. His rule was littered with incidents of death.Yes sure he was liked by the Apartheid regime for trading with them. And some on this board will argue that the people of Malawi were better off economically under him then now. Yes sure, they may have been..but then the average Iraqi was better off economically under Sadam than he is now. Both dictators.
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 15:48:53 (UTC)
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Zambia never had a war,Sir Roy Welenskey gave it over,Ayub lay off Banda,I think he was alright,he is the only dude to make mothers day a public holiday,I do not think anyone anywhere else in the world has done this,correct me if I am wrong.I did some work for him and found him to be an O.K.Dude.Please do not ask me what I did.Serious crime was very rare in Malawi,if any at all.But you are right about all the others,after all K.K.was a Malawian,Mugabe is a Mozambiquen.And they did take advantage of a nation that does not belong to them by birth or any other way,other than a bit of bull schitte.Did Mugabe not con Nkomo to team up with him to win the election,and then try and do away with him while he brought in Caine and Banana to be President.
Pappy Papier, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 14:53:47 (UTC)
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Sorry..report was released in March 2004 and not 2000
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 14:13:47 (UTC)
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Glen,
According to a report released by Transparency International in March 2000 the Ten most CORRUPT Heads of State of the last few decades are:
1) Suharto (1967-98............................$15-35billion
2) Marcos (1092-86)...........................$5-10bn
3) Mobuto..(1965-97)...........................$5bn
4) Abacha..(1993-98)...........................$2-5bn
5) Milosevic..(1972-86).......................$1bn
6) Duvalier (1971-86)..........................$$300-800million
7) Fujimori (Peru 1990-2000)..............$ 600m
8) Lazarenko (Ukraine 1996-97)............$114-200million
9) Arman (Nicaragua 1997-2002)........$100m
10) Estrada (Phillipines 1998-01..........$78-80m
(Minimum estimates of funds stolen frm the State.)
Only two are from Africa (3 and 4). All the above have had good relations with Western Governments and companies. The report also states: "We are very much aware that a lot of responsibility for corruption in the developing countries lies at the feet of developed countries.....no country is immune from corruption"
Puts the alleged funds stolen by Southern African leaders into perspective!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 14:12:00 (UTC)
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correction
the last line in the newspaper article should have read 'whether to reinforce the structure OR to rebuild it '
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 13:26:42 (UTC)
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Article in the UK Daily Telegraph 23 October
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The 99-year-old Victoria Falls rail and road bridge is in danger of collapse because Zimbabwe has failed to enforce safety rules. Zimbabwe’s authorities have admitted that it needs emergency repairs.
A road was first laid across the railway bridge in 1929 and the arch was designed to carry a maximum load of two lorries weighing 5 tons each. The infrastructure
Division of Zimbabwe’s state railways company said this safety limit had not been enforced for the past 15 years. Instead lorries weighing more than 37 tons have often been allowed to cross imposing a load structure per square foot of more than double the design limit.’’ Excessive vibrations are felt whenever a heavy truck transverses the bridge’’ said the railway company.
The Zimbabwe authorities are examining whether to reinforce the structure to rebuild it and traffic controls have been hastily introduced to prevent more than one lorry crossing at once
The last line hints that there might even had been more that one lorry of 37 tons on the bridge at the same time.
The Zambian authorities are not mentioned at all and one can only guess whether they have played their part in enforcing the safety rules as Zimbabwe can only control the traffic from South to North.
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 13:20:46 (UTC)
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Jurina,
Trying to compare Kaunda with Hitler is an insult to the memory of those milions of Jews and servicemen/women who died as a resuly of Nazism. Lets put this debate in perspective..otherwise close it.
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 13:05:27 (UTC)
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Glen,
Sure there are quite a few. But then there are also plenty more elsewhere! You seem to have a monolithic approach to corruption; as if it only exists in Africa. Corruption exists everywhere. Pillaging also exists outside Africa.If you are not aware, someone has recently pillaged 18 billion Dollars destined for Iraq's reconstruction! Simply disappeared! Now that is big money. To a lesser and greater extent most Sub-Saharan leaders since 1958 have been involved with utilising State Funds for personal use...some of them who may (innocent until proved guilty..allegedly..and all that stuff!) have had a hand is this...Kenyatta and the missus!,Mobuta (megabucks!), Banda, Kaunda (though he doesn't seem to have much money on him at the moment!, no private jets,mansions in Switzerland; as had Mobutu))....don't know much about Mugabe at the moment nor about Swaziland,Botswana...there was not much left to pillage in Mozambique...don't think Nyerere was that way inclined.
Now try and answer this question..Should those who use corrupt practices to gain contracts/favours from African Government officials not be equally guilty? Whether they be Multinationals or members of any Government. Just last week a BBC programme highlighted that even the desk clerk at an Embassy in London was given a set of Swiss -made Gold Cutlery whilst a Uk firm was negotiating a large Arms contract. Even in India leaders have had charges levied against them..Bolfers? Try present-day Russia! You seem to have avoided this most important point! By the way..talking of wasting State funds, some of our MP's here in the UK have been claiming expenses in excess of £160,000...compare this with their average wage of £57,000.
So long is there greed..there will be corrupt officials...everywhere! Whether it be free Airline tickets,expensive gifts, provision of call girls in posh London Hotels..opening of Swiss bank accounts..or State funds. Same principle! Use rotating vision and try and also focus on this issue Worldwide. It is not an African problem. It is a Worldwide one!
Chris Tamm.... Widen your vision a bit more!
The figure will be on the board soon! Anyone who misappropriates State funds should (for starters) have their hands cut off man!! That will make them stop counting the stuff for a start! The present President of Zambia has made a bold move to try and have a go at corruption. Only time will tell if it works..you know human frailty..
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 13:00:02 (UTC)
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Ayub,
Your first two sentences of your last posting make a lot of sense. How about providing GNR readers with some substance relevant to the purpose of this board? For instance, how about a list of "Heads of State" in African countries SOUTH OF THE EQUATOR who have "have raped and pillaged their countries" in, say, the last 50 years?
You can then list them as individuals in one column and opposite their names (in your opinion of course) let us know what YOU think their punishment should be/have been.
After that little exercise I am sure we as readers can reach a consensus as to how to divvy up the blame and what should happen to their accomplices.
The above suggestion will add a lot of weight to your posting; don't you agree?
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 11:52:06 (UTC)
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Ken,
please give my regards to Rina. I wonder if she remembers me! I think she might recal my friend Joey Pretorious wo is living in Cape Towm, & also Dawn (Malan) now Ackerman also living in Cape Town near Joey. It would be good to hear what has been happening in your lives.
Linda
Had a rather lekker letter from Sandra- & I was told that she was in NZ when she left SA.
How good was the result of the Red Sox?, go Boston. My grand-pappie was a Bostonian till he went to Africa & met my gran.
Strange how I feel an alliegance to the city.
Hey does anyone know if that ridiculous white hanky is still waved by KK as he stirs the crowds with his Hitler style wave & cry of One Zambia & had the masses programmed to shout One Nation? Hitler yelled Zich -Heil & had the same effect! Mass hypnosis in action. Hee hee.
Jurina Lang, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 11:30:30 (UTC)
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Ken
All my contacts on the mines have gone fishing as Monday is a public holiday, I will get figures for you from the various mining groups next week.
I know that Bwana Mkubwa cover a good portion of their production costs from the excess acid that they sell making theirs a very profitable venture.
Copper recently hit a 15 year high before dropping a few cents so all the mines are making profit albeit to pay back investors. There are rumors that Anglo American would like to come back which says a lot.
Kevin Shone, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 06:52:35 (UTC)
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Zumla,
The subject here is Zambia. It is not about all the other places you waffle about. Typical liberal ploy - change the subject.
Oh yes, have you discovered the extent of KK's negative performance yet?
Waiting --- yawning!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 00:02:42 (UTC)
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Pardon me, but will the person who has "limey" as part of their email address please email me with your name as well, so I know who you are. I have not put your full email address here so you don't get spammed, but I cannot for the life of me remember who you are. Thanks!
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 22:49:11 (UTC)
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This appeared in an earlier message.
"AFP report extract:
Known as Northern Rhodesia under British rule, Zambia won independence from Britain on October 24, 1964 following successful negotiations with freedom fighters led by founding president Kenneth Kaunda.
"I am happy that God has helped us to reach 40 years. I provided leadership and I created no problem for anybody," Kaunda said in his independence message to Zambians."
Having served as an officer in the Rhodesia and Nyasaland Staff Corps prior to my seven years in Zambia, together with a part time stint with the Northern Rhodesia Judiciary, I cannot remember any insurgency or fighting led by Kenneth Kaunda. Would someone remind me of any armed resistance prior to Independence? I do remember the immolation of Mrs. Burton by a couple of UNIP thugs, but no heroic resistance to the Colonial Powers.
As I left in April of 1963 I might have missed any fighting between then and the turnover.
Say what you will about Chris Tamm, he is dead right about the disaster we know as Kenneth Kaunda.
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 21:45:58 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm,
Anyone found guilty of pillaging a country should be given the maximum sentence. I totally agree with that. However you seem to have omitted the"aiding and abetting" bit. That too should be punished. Throughout recent history many Heads of State have raped and pillaged their countries...and many continue to do so; treating their country's coffers as their own. Now let me cite a few in history...Marcos,Shah of Iran, Pinochet ,Mobuto,Sadam, and many others. Now you don't need to have much intelligence to work out that at present there are still quite a few left ;who literally treat their country's coffers as their own. Now tell me which country(s) have aided and abetted (at some point in time) the above. See the problem of bringing these pillagers to justice? Also if you want to apply the law fairly you also need to bring to justice those who use corrupt practices to gain contracts...now that would put quite a few Multinationals in shit..would it not?
In any case Zambia has survived as one Nation and let us wish it well on its 40th anniversary. Long may it continue to live as a nation..and may it resolve its economic problems soon. How can any of us on this board not wish it well?
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 20:38:31 (UTC)
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AFP report extract:
Known as Northern Rhodesia under British rule, Zambia won independence from Britain on October 24, 1964 following successful negotiations with freedom fighters led by founding president Kenneth Kaunda.
"I am happy that God has helped us to reach 40 years. I provided leadership and I created no problem for anybody," Kaunda said in his independence message to Zambians.
Is there a light at the end of the tunnel - finally? Finally people are beginning to talk about the enormous deterioration in Zambia in the past 40 years. Off course, most people had realised this all by them little old selves, but for some inexplicable reasons, just plain refused to talk about it. And yes, that included a bunch of regulars right here on this board.
Going back to the above quotation, It would be my hope that the people will finally talk themselves into taking tangible action. They should publicly hold KK (and that successor of his) responsible for the rape and pillage of the country. Put them both on trial, bring out all of the facts, sentence them to the maximum extent the law permits, and carry out the sentence!
"I created no problems for anybody". It makes one want to puke!
One Zambia
One Nation
One disaster
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 17:38:53 (UTC)
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Kevin: Kudos for your latest, very informative posting.
Regarding the Copper reserves, a statement was made, not too long ago, that it costs about as much to produce
(or even more), than the Market price on the LME. Gone are the whey-hey days of the Vietnam conflict, which provided a major consumer of the finished product. Perhaps you might wish to comment on this? BTW, please give Gilbert Temba a medal for having the cajones to at last publish what everyone knew, but were too afraid to mention.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 16:17:01 (UTC)
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David Russell
The article copied by you is factual and no one can deny the information presented to us all.
To balance this though and put things into perspective let us not forget the many positives that are happening right now.
Corruption in high places, while by no means under control is been actively fought and hardly a day goes by without a report of someone been investigated for new and past misdemeanors. This has the effect of scaring would be law breakers and eventually will be brought under control. Corruption is not only a Zambian problem, I would say that French businesses beat Zambia hands down but that is never reported.
The investment in farming and tourism brought about by better government policies are already bearing fruit (pardon the pun) and while it is true to say that a lot more can be done to provide an ideal investment climate I am heartened by the fact that the private sector is consulted as to what we want.
I will not mention mining except to say that the impact on the economy has been enormous and we are only starting.
Copied below is an extract from another article that appeared today. We did miss a golden oportunaty but let’s give hope to the future.
“LUSAKA - Forty years after independence, Zambians are poorer, their country having missed an opportunity to boost its economy with its rich copper reserves.
When the southern African country broke free from British colonial rule in 1964, its economy was on a par with that of South Korea and ranked second to South Africa in the region.
"Zambia at independence represented one of Africa's best hopes," said Alexander Chikwanda, a former finance minister in the post-independence government.
While its economy was about the size of that of South Korea in the mid-60s, Zambia's GDP is now, at $4-billion, less than one percent of South Korea's output, said Chikwanda.
Zambia celebrates 40 years of independence on Sunday but with close to 64% of its 10-million people living on less than one dollar a day, there is little to cheer about in terms of economic gains.
"We are today poorer than we were at independence," says Gilbert Temba of the newly formed Citizen's Forum, which is trying to reverse the country's poverty trends.
"What is disturbing about the high levels of poverty, disease, hunger and general deprivation among our people is that they are not a result of lack of human and natural resources or civil wars, but rather of political and economic mismanagement," Temba says.”
Kevin Shone, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 13:34:36 (UTC)
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I hope that at least a number of my fellow Northern Rhodesians will enjoy reading this as much as I did, the main site is quite interesting too but a little kooky:
http://www.understandingamericanpie.com/
Robert Worrill, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 09:58:25 (UTC)
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Well the Anniversary is this weekend. I remember the Independence Celebrations as a young boy - watching fireworks from a great distance and a feeling that something significant was happening and not everyone was happy with it!
So is there really something to celebrate all these years on?? (That should stir some debate!)
This appeared today:
Downbeat Zambians to mark 40 years of independence
AFP
Thursday October 21
LUSAKA - Despite the military parade, free open-air concerts and laudatory speeches, Zambians are marking 40 years of independence from Britain on Sunday in low spirit, mired in poverty and tormented by a feeling of lost opportunity.
Close to 64 percent of Zambia's 10 million people live on less than a dollar a day and political squabbling has prevented the adoption of a home-grown constitution to replace the basic charter inherited from British colonial rulers.
"With this reality, what's there to celebrate?" asks human rights activist Simon Kabanda.
The government is planning to spend two billion kwacha (425,000 dollars/ 337,000 euros) on the festivities, an amount critics see as a frivolous expense that the country can ill afford.
"I do not think we need to spend our meager resources on independence celebrations. Instead we should use the occasion to reflect on what explains our present predicament," said Neo Simutanyi, political analyst from the University of Zambia.
On the positive side, opposition leaders will join in the celebrations despite a boycott of all public events attended by President Levy Mwanawasa whose election in 2002 they are still contesting.
"This is a memorable period and we have decided to attend and participate in all the activities," said Njekwa Anamela, general secretary of the United National Independence Party (UNIP).
Britain's High commissioner to Zambia Tim David has urged Zambia to use the occasion to reflect on the many challenges that the country faces, in particular the crisis over the AIDS pandemic which has brought life expectancy down to 36.
"An anniversary of this magnitude gives us all cause for reflection," David said.
About 1.8 million Zambians, or 16.5 percent of the population, are living with HIV and AIDS.
Known as Northern Rhodesia under British rule, Zambia won independence from Britain on October 24, 1964 following successful negotiations with freedom fighters led by founding president Kenneth Kaunda.
"I am happy that God has helped us to reach 40 years. I provided leadership and I created no problem for anybody," Kaunda said in his independence message to Zambians.
Celebrations kick off at midnight on Saturday when the Zambian army is to set the light up the sky with a blaze of star shells while the national flag will be hoisted with great fanfare.
South African President Thabo Mbeki will be the guest of honour of the festivities as the leader of Zambia's closest ally and Rwandan President Paul Kagame is also due to attend.
Mbeki spent time in Zambia during his years as an underground operative for the African National Congress fighting the apartheid regime in South Africa.
Kagame is attending the festivities in what is widely seen as a fence-mending gesture following strains in his ties with Mwanawasa's predecessor Frederick Chiluba.
The two visiting heads of state will join Mwanawasa and other foreign dignitaries at a wreath laying ceremony in Lusaka's Freedom Square to remember those who fought for independence.
Following a military parade, Mwanawasa is to deliver an address that is expected to touch on his plans to lift Zambia out of its grinding poverty.
David Russell, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 08:09:55 (UTC)
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KEN: The "Scottish Parliament" (initial set up cost £450 million) serves no purpose whatsover and has no authority on any matters of any importance (ie fiscal, defence, foreign policy etc.) anymore than Ken Livingstone has in London. In fact the two regimes are almost similiar powerwise, excepting the fact that each Region in Scotland has the same infrastructure and does the same job as is in done in London by Ken, which squares the circle and answers your question. None! As a very sad footnote I would like to add that in the first six months in the life of our "Parliament " they managed to get one bill "pawsed", regarding the crime of dogs shitting on the sidewalk! As you so rightly pointed out the Law Lords are the last resort regarding appeals, consisting of ex-Judicincal Decrepids, who have really nothing to do with the House of |Lords in general, so could easily be the Court of Last Resort. They are ex "Law Lords " giving their judgement exclusive to any opinion which the House of Lords may have on the subject ( three to five Lords in each case, one giving judgement, the others remaining awake long enough to concur) This does not include Scotland, which has no recourse to the House of Lords, which makes us even more irrelevant to tne nonsensical farce of the House of Lords.
JOHNNY : As you most rightly said, we have a lot to thank America for in our times of need, as do most of Europe, although this is almost forgotten now, especially in countries like France, Holland, Belguim etc who are keeping their heads down as always. But I see that it is the Jocks who are being called upon again to fulfill the roll. I know that if your occupation is a soldier, your job must at some time entail your having to fight if the occasion arises, but in Scotland we are still aware of the comments of General Wolf when the Scottish Regiments were totally wiped out during the taking of the Heights of A|braham, " Its no great mischief if they are" he replied. Enuff said.
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 02:02:20 (UTC)
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Anyone interested in the situation in Iraq should have a read of this:
http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html
Robert Worrill, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 22, 2004 at 01:37:19 (UTC)
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IRENE LE ROUX
Happy Birthday!! My ears are still ringing from when you boxed them in the ladies bathroom at Mindola Dam. I still duck every time someone goes to put their arm around me.. grin.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 13:13:16 (UTC)
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I don't know if there are any British mp's read our scribblings but if they do this is the only organ where I can express my views to them, that I would like them to note,
There is some dissension among them about a small segment of the British army coming under American control for a short period of time in Iraq, I do not remember any dissent when General Eisenhower took over the command of the whole British army in Europe in 1944 including our star General Montgomery Who I served under myself, I am sure the men involved have no objections and we are in this together so cut out the carping and God Bless America.
Johnny
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 06:45:55 (UTC)
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IRENE LE ROUX
Happy Birthday! Many happy returns
Jilly
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 06:28:14 (UTC)
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For the wont of sounding soppy Thank You for the all the info that was passed on and have booked the trip to the Rockies. Now it is just to plan the rest of the trip in US. Got this side sorted out.
If this request had been sent in any other media I am sure none if any one would have replied.
Glad to be in good company.............
Thanks
Geoff Latter, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 03:26:50 (UTC)
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Meg, over there in the green rat country
We were on a ship (MV Europa, Lloyd Triestino) from Trieste to Beira, in 1968. Had been in Europe for some months and returning to Lusaka. We had been at sea for about a week when we docked at Luanda. It was my first sight of Africa after the long absence and we were hanging over the rails as the ship was being pushed alongside by the tugs. The crew had opened all of the ships doors ready for the re stocking/re fuelling, gang planks etc. We were still perhaps some 20 something feet from the pier when, from a harbor warehouse, came the biggest rat we had ever laid our eyes on. He ran through the huge crowds of locals who were there to see the ship, leaped from the quay, literally flying through the air, in a slight incline, and landed in one of the open doors immediately below the deck we were standing on. Like a flying Jack Russell!
Maiwei - we always did wonder what happened to it. We left Luanda some 8 hours later and with stops in Cape Town, Durban LM, and finally Beira - we never did see it again.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 19:41:40 (UTC)
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Living in rural Ireland by a river, rats can be a problem, so we have 3 "house" cats, and a motley assortment of strays that live outside, (I have had them all neutered and vaccinated), that earn their keep by catching mice, rats, and the odd mink. Last night however, my Zambian nightmares were revisited as Pollyminty staggered around the herb garden with the daddy of all rats I have ever seen in Europe. It was about a foot long, not including the tail, and had enormous yellow teeth. The rat (and almost the cat as my aim is bad) was dispatched with a shovel, bringing back memories of the cane rats that took up residence in our roof one year. Moms bright idea was to stick our seven cats up into the attic space. The horrific screeching, thumping and yowling that lasted much of the night gave me a phobia that lasts to this day of rats. (My job was to go up after the cats had done their business, and clear the carnage up). My children have caught wind of this phobia and of course delight in leaving rubber rats in the fridge, in my bed ect. Does anyone have a cure for a phobia of rats (dead or alive, I just detest them,) Genuine replies only to my email please! Hope all GNRoaders are well, my thoughts are well and truly in the Southern hemisphere at this time of year, it was minus 5 last night with snow on the top of the nearest mountain. I dont think I will be able to stay in Ireland for too many more winters, Southern Spain is beckoning! Ciao, Megs
Meg Rybicki, Ireland [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 19:19:06 (UTC)
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Well done Colin.
The House of Lords can only be described as a 21st Century anachronism. They have absolutely no power of vetoeing that which has already been passed in the Commons. Why in hell they're still there, beats me. The only saving grace is that the Law Lords are still the final Court of Appeal in the legal system. Truly once described as," A bunch of ermine-clad Geriatrics with ermine-covered brains"
On the same subject, what in hell authority has the Scottish Parliament? Kindly explain.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 18:20:05 (UTC)
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T E S T I N G
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 18:11:53 (UTC)
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Shark Country Douglas predicts:
The Currie Cup Final is this Saturday with the Blue Bulls playing the Free State Cheetahs. The Bulls should win but maybe the Cheetahs will cheat.
Very punny indeed ou bees
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 03:02:42 (UTC)
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DOUG The 20% increase brings their signing in fee to the totally rediculous sum of £290.00 per day. After signing in they may choose to go to sleep, go home again or go on the piss! ( Subsidised bars by the tax payer make the third option most prefered) There is not much else to do, admittedly, but not that many jobs offer such a pleasant option. The dump is now filled with brown-nosed buddies of Blair, he having disbarred the equivelent number of aristo-inherits. ( Who had at least some sense of fair play, "You know what chaps, over the top, what?" and did not have the realism to understand nobody could care less what they said.) Sadly the whole farce is just another tragic waste of our money which brings me to the point which I almost forgot about; this is our seventh tier of government !!! Now that is hard to believe and cannot possibly be replicated anywhere in the world.
Regards Colin.
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 00:08:03 (UTC)
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Thanks to everyone that sent e-mails. It was great to hear from you. Bancroft was not such a "small" town after all...!! Hope you all received my reply. My compliments for such a great site. Look forward to meeting many more ex-Zambians in here.
Desiree
Desiree Van der Spuy - nee Pretorius, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 21:11:18 (UTC)
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According to BHP Billiton the price of copper surged to a 15 year high on October 8. Production needs to rise by 250, 000 tons a years to meet demand so this should be good news for Zambia.
I see the remuneration committee for the UK House of Lords has recommended a 20% increase. I hope all the pensioners are also getting a 20% increase.
Chris
The Currie Cup Final is this Saturday with the Blue Bulls playing the Free State Cheetahs. The Bulls should win but maybe the Cheetahs will cheat.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 20:05:59 (UTC)
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HEART ATTACKS; Here is some sound advice from
Dr. F. Daniel Rochman(Rochester General Hospital,USA)
Lets say you are sitting alone somewhere and you start experiencing severe pain in your chest and it starts radiating out into your arm and up into your jaw. Without help,you have only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness.
You can help yourself by coughing repeatedly and vigorously every 2 seconds. A deep breath should be taken before each cough,and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest; the cough should be repeated without let up every 2 seconds until the heart is felt to be beating normally again; or until help arrives. Deep breaths get Oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack victims can help themselves gain enough time to get to Hospital.
Pass this on..you might just save someone's lfe..or yours!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 18:27:16 (UTC)
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For Pam,
Hi LS, nice to see you are member and posting messages.
Lots of love BB
Mike Edwards, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 16:11:25 (UTC)
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Geoff Latter,
Good to see someone enquiring about the Rockies. I lived in Calgary for 8 yrs and did the trip to Vancouver - the land of lotus-eaters-, many times.
One: dont do it in the winter. That is from November to April.
Two: the train trip is marvellous but expensive. There is a tour train that leaves Calgary and stops overnight in Revelstoke so that you travel in the day, to sightsee. It goes south through the Crowsnest Pass,I think.
Three : do it by car or motorbike and take your time.
Stop in Shuswap and visit Salmon Arm and the lake. If you travel non-stop, you can do it in a day.Then collapse. Don't.
Four: Have fun.
Bill
William Knott, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 14:16:13 (UTC)
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Jilly - as as "Ms." Hayes will tell you, I could get into a lot of trouble here in the U.S. should I rub the womens liberation movement the wrong way. And being the sensitive, politically correct person that I am, besides having all the other insecurities typical of the new age American male, I'd best stick with the protocol. Of course I could address her as "Madam" Hayes, but imagine the trouble that would get me into! I'm really trying to avoid saying anything too controversial as I've just noticed “Ms.” Pettersson yawning and I’m kinda hoping she’ll go back to sleep.
And Jilly – if you’ve experienced any of Jan Svankmajer’s intimate films you’ll quickly change your mind and admit that life IS a movie. One day we’ll watch his “Alice” followed by his “Faust” and then top it off with “Conspirators of Pleasure.” . . . . . the Ms. Hayes and Bwana Grins soiree al la oxygen bottle . . . . Hah! Kids stuff!
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 13:42:17 (UTC)
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Muriel Blackstock.
Great to see another Broken Hillian has joined the ranks of the GNR.
Will catch up with you shortly.
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 07:43:47 (UTC)
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Maiwe! Where are my manners? My headmisstress at Eveline High in Bulawayo, (Miss Powell), would have been sure to have given me a couple of "paddies" on my you know where, with the biggest Takkie/Tackie?Tucki available for my indiscretion.
Truth is, I have been lost in time, delving into the archives -- so much so, that my daily chores and sleep have been put aside. What wonderful memories you have all evoked.
Thank you to all of those GNR members who replied to my Takkie query. As far as the spelling goes, I must now accept that both the Africaans and English versions are, to the same degree, worthy of acceptance.
As to the meaning -- after much deliberation -- I feel that Jill's definition definitely comes out tops.
Thanks to you all,
Pat Wilson.
Super to hear that you are still around. I have sent you an e-mail. Wonder if you received it, it hasn't bounced back. Yes, indeed, those Softball days were wonderful days, great to reflect upon. I started playing the game whilst still at school, when I was fifteen. I finally hung up my glove (which I still have and treasure to this day)when I was 43. However, it wasn't just the game that we look back upon now, it was also the social side too.
Remember the Kwacha Nights we used to have at the Sables Club? The things we got up to in those days.
Drop me an e-mail sometime.
Linda.
I have albums full of faded press cuttings and photographs of both softball and baseball events, dating from 1964 - 1977, to keep those memories fresh in my mind, as no doubt you have.
I am pleased to see that you are still 'having a ball'.
Goodness knows where you find the time to fit in all you do. I love Beutious, Titus and Su-Su -- I shall be sad if they ever die.
Miranna Beatty.
I will be in contact with you pretty soon. I have several photographs of you, your sister and your mum and dad, which I am sure you would like a copy of. Give your Dad my regards please.
Enough waffling........Keep the flag flying.
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 07:07:09 (UTC)
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Glen
"Yawn"
Esther Pettersson, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 06:50:30 (UTC)
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Johnny hope you have/had a happy, happy birthday.
Love Junexxx
June Dobson, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 06:14:44 (UTC)
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Hello old Northern Rhodesians!
My Name was Pam Edwards ( and now I`m Dickmeis-Staehler)
I was born in 1948 in Luanshya and lived in Kitwe till 1965. I went to Kitwe Girls High School from 1961 to 64 and now I`m looking for schoolfriends from that time.
Does anybody know what happened to Anna Ptaszynska, Denise Foster, Shirley Brian, Pam Hicks and all the others ??
The teachers I remember were Mrs Maggs (Maths),
Miss Brogin (Latin), Mrs Livingstone (English) and Miss Schwarz (Headmistress).
After doing my O Levels I went to London, to study ballet
and later on I landed up in Germany first dancing in the theatre and then opening up a ballet school.
I`m still in touch with Jill Barnard who is in Durban, and
Ingeborg Wendel (Pingle) in Calgary.
If anybody can help, I`d love to hear from you.
Pam ( Wuppertal, Germany )
(Hello BB! Love from Thomas and me )
Pam Dickmeis-Staehler, Germany [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 21:20:22 (UTC)
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Glen,
You are beginning to worry me. MRS Hayes is a good friend of mine - not MS Hayes - and I am wondering how long you have been living in the USA? Life is not a movie!
And Bra Johnny has obviously got some French blood! Monsieur Jean Vert? Mais Oui!
Penelope
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:54:47 (UTC)
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Hope Allan "Chimwemwe" Cummins is looking in, if so how are you and your family keeping.
Steve Murray ex Mindola Shaft
Stephen-James Murray, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:47:27 (UTC)
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Bra Johnny,
Happy Birthday, Bra - stay cool.
Jilly X X X X
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:43:27 (UTC)
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Hi
Was wondering if there is anyone out there who can give some advice on travelling through the Rockies in Canada, particular the train trip.
Just reading the notices, us Northern Rhodesians have certainly been scattered world wide.
Geoff Latter, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:19:43 (UTC)
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You guys crack me up!!!!!
Your messages are wonderful. The B..s..t that flows is so like the old days!!!!
Have a great day...y'all
Laura
Laura Bannister, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 19:51:12 (UTC)
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I had a lovely surprise last week! I have just come back from Melbourne where I spent two weeks. On Tuesday I went to my house, which I am selling, to see some workmen and just after I arrived, someone came around the corner .... it was my sister Sue who I haven't seen for over 8 years! She hadn't told me she was coming to Melbourne so it was a wonderful surprise so see her! We had a brilliant day and evening catching up, along with my lovely brother in law Geoff. Nicest surprise I have had for a long time.
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 19:41:58 (UTC)
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Johnny
Happy Birthday!! I hope you had a great day and many many more
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 19:32:52 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Johnny!
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 19:23:08 (UTC)
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Nicky,
Tork schitt took a vow of silence and sadly died of constipation.
sorry no relation,but used to provide the paper to wipe the schitt clean.
Lydia Beck, England [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 18:09:10 (UTC)
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Jurina,
No, a different Miss Powell as this one was in Bulawayo. However .... I do know of another one and this one I suspect may be the same one. Domestic Science teacher who appeared at Luanshya High School in about 1963/4. She was 'well 'ard'. No more simple cookery - suddenly we were writing notes and learning theory, sewing and learning to use salt to 'clean husband's handkerchief'. I hasten to add that I have NEVER EVER used salt on a handkerchief. Perish the thought! I seem to recall stripes and a bun - very neat and insisted on us girls having hair tied back, no nail varnish, makeup, mini skirts etc. etc. Ring any bells?
Lizd, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 17:45:47 (UTC)
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Dear Nicky no my version I recieved was White man.
Linda you dont have to bother bringing an oxygen tank through long practice I am now proficient at breathing through my ears love Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 17:18:38 (UTC)
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Bill, Speaking of Van on holiday, he was in Germany one year and from his hotel room saw men with dark glasses and white canes tapping on the door of the building opposite, being let in, and shortly after emerging with a smile and a spring in their step. Van discovered this was knockshop for the blind, so he bought some dark glasses and a white cane. He tapped, was duly let in and the madam brough him various girls to feel up. After the 10th one Van said no thanks, I dont fancy any of them, Madam said they were her best girls, what's the problem? Van said they all have warts on their backs. Dumkopf said the madam, thats their prices in braille.
Bob Gillies, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 16:05:36 (UTC)
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Lydia
You made me laugh, but what happened to Tork Schitt?
No relation I hope.
Johnny I think Tonto called LR. Pale Face.
Nicky Kontou, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 15:36:17 (UTC)
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Heather,
My message to you has bounced back again. If you write to me and I then reply text will this work?
hopefully, thanks, Jane
Jane Todd, Oman [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 15:34:23 (UTC)
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Yeah! Go Charlie!!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 15:04:31 (UTC)
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Johnny - you lucky bugger - a personal invitation from Ms. Hayes with instructions to bring an oxygen tank. If you've seen David Lynch's "Blue Velvet" you’re in for a treat.
Remember, your name will be “Frank Booth” (Dennis Hopper) and Linda’s name will be “Dorothy Vallens” (Isabellla Rossellini).
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 14:18:43 (UTC)
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Johnny, it's Donna Jane here (DO YOU HEAR ME!!) Sorry CAN YOU READ THIS?
MANY MORE YEARS FOR YOU! I HAVE JUST HAD TO HAVE 5 OUT OF MY 6 STAFF SACKED AND JAILED FOR THEIVING. DO YOU STILL NEED A JOB? THE STOEP IS NO LONGER GREEN BUT I STILL NEED SOMEONE WITH GREEN FINGERS TO TEND MY PLANTS ON MY FARM.
(and the chickens)
BEST WISHES
love jane
Jane Todd, Oman [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 13:28:27 (UTC)
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Johnny Green…
HAPPY BIRTHDAY – and may you have, many many more.
The sequel to the Lone Ranger / Tonto joke was:
When the Lone Ranger and Tonto eventually got away from all those ‘injuns’, the Lone Ranger looked like a pincushion – full of arrows - and Tonto was unscathed.
Observing this, the Lone Ranger surly inquired why no arrow had hit him.
Tonto replied: “It’s my new aftershave.”
“Your new aftershave? What the hell are you talking about?” responded the LR.
To which Tonto replied: “I use Aremis!”
Hirsute H’arthur…
Was that the proverbial ‘bucket of cold water’ I felt on the ol’ pate? Time for Chukky to come out of the toy-box and Rock 'n Roll?
I’m currently developing, with help from a tribe of South American head-hunters, the ultimate hair restorer. It shrinks your head to the hairs meet.
Regards
Charles Cartmill, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 13:24:49 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BWANA GRINS!
Please report to the Mfazis of Mayhem at the Tytherington Tiyende for your belated birthday snog. Oh, and bring your oxygen tank because you're gonna need it.
Donna Lang:
I'm still researching college grants for my son, hoping to cash in on the 1/16th of a 33rd generation American Indian on my husband's adopted uncle's side. When I've got him paid off through college, I will begin on your hand out. I'm pretty sure I can find something for you! grin.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 13:00:51 (UTC)
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Heather,
I don't like doing this via the GNR but have sent you various emails but they are being bounced back. Have just sent another one, please let me know. Regards,
Jane
Jane Todd, Oman [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 12:57:05 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Bwana Grins! Have a lovely day.
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 12:31:01 (UTC)
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Lizd:
Did I see a Miss Powell, could it be the famous Miss Powell of Kitwe High School? Domestic Science teacher supreme, who ALWAYS wore some sort of stripes! and plaits!
Linda:
Fannie pack WOW conjures up a host of spectres. In SA called Moon Bags--- now how does that grab your imagination? The mooning salutes are famous in your part of the world.
As far a minority groups go how about me, my grandfather, Frank Lang, came from Boston, so that makes me an American African. where do I fit in? Is there some sort of comfort group to make me feel special & give me all sorts of privileges? Where can I reach the do-gooders who will create a special society to make grants & give me a leg up no matter what my failures or past? Oh please, please don't deny me this information. I am desparately in need of some sort of hand-out as I no longer want to work for a living. Work, That's a dirty 4 lettered word. Please help. As Elvis said "I've got a lot of living to do" and need the money. God Bless
Jurina Lang, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 12:19:40 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOHNNY
Hope your day goes well..........from us girls from Perth
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 18, 2004 at 11:19:36 (UTC)
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LIDZ : Also residing in the wildernesses of the UK I found your chippie tale most heartwarming as oppossed to the city slickers of this world who tend to put most things provincial down for some reason. I had my own lovely experiance along your lines when I met a lady , Christina MacLeod, nee Nermaak, born in Lusaka and worked for T & N , Lusaka, prior to getting married to Norman MacLeod, a driver for Rhodesian Railways who stopped over at Choma in the early sixties and played pool with us at the Railway Club. Like you, as soon as she asked for 20 fags, I asked her where she was from in Rhodesia. It turned out she was living only 10 miles away and working in the local fish farm, coming to the UK with her husband after Mugabe ( They moved to Salisbury in 65. ) Not wanting to start a competion as to the most outlandish place on earth where one has met a fellow Rhodesian, a friend of mine, (ex Choma) Jock Hunter ( residing in Pappau New Guinna), met a friend from Salisbury in South Georgia Island, which I believe is somewhere in the Antartic. As Jock died in Cairns two years ago, I'm afraid this can't be verified, he only informed me of this fact. Regards Colin.
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 23:55:56 (UTC)
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A little-known fact about the songs of our time.
My son was astonished to find out that The Rolling Stones sang about the Ayatollah Khomeini in one of their songs. It's quite true! It's in the lyrics of: "The Last Time"
"Ayatollah-ya once and Ayatollah-ya twice!
But you never listen to my advice!"
Unusual response. He slapped his forehead and called me an infidel!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 21:04:45 (UTC)
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Lizd,
I was only trying to highlight the plight of Zimbabwe. With so many people having fled Zimbabwe (including many educated ones) ,who will be left there to oppose Mugabe; let alone run the hospitals and schools! I heard that the opposition leader was found not guilty of treason...and subsequently called for re-conciliation! With whom??
Ahh....So thats where all the potatoes come from!!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 18:32:39 (UTC)
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To all who may be interested.......
Have you ever been told ,"You don`t know Jack Schitt!"? have you ever wondered who this Jack Schitt really is? well thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an intellectual way.
Jack Schitt is the only son of awe Schitt.Awe Schitt,the Fertilizer magnate,married O.Schitt,the owner of NeeDeep N. Schitt Inc. They had one son,Jack.
In turn,Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt.The deeply religious couple produced six children: Holie Schitt,Giva Schitt,Fulla Schitt,Bull Schitt and the twins Deap Schitt and Dip Schitt.Against her parents wishes,Deap Schitt married Dumb Schitt,a high school dropout.
After being married 15 years,Jack and Noe Schitt divorced.Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them,she wanted to keep her previous name.She was then known as Noe Schitt Sherlock.
Meanwhile,Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt,and they produced a son with a rather nervous disposition and name him Chicken Schitt.Two of the six children,Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt,were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens nuptials.
The Schitt Happens children were Dawg,Byrd,and Hoarse.Bull Schitt,the prodigal son,left home to tour the world.He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride,Pisa Schitt.
Now when somenone says,"You don`t know Jack Schitt," you can correct them.
I`m sorry if this infomation has offened anyone,but you never know when it may come in handy.
Lydia Beck, England [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 18:24:54 (UTC)
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Craig,
Loved your version - far better than mine! Made me laugh anyway.
Ayub,
You missed the point, a bit! I've come across other Zimbos in Nottingham and other cities where there's commerce and industry. In the wilds of Lincolnshire there's nothing - except potatoes and cabbages - so unless you want to do field work (which is mostly done by illegal Eastern Europeans) or work in the chip shop, of course, there's nothing here in the Fenlands. Not even a lot of people. Just huge fields being flattened by the wind! And the chip shop.
Lizd, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 17:55:50 (UTC)
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Lizd,
If you live anywhere in Greater Manchester or Lancashire you will see hundreds of Zimbabweans walking the streets..shopping, etc. According to official figures there are over 700,000 Zimbabwean refugees in the UK today.Now that is high..real high from one small country..and Zimbabwe is small; population-wise. All I have come accross seem quite well educated and happy to be here.
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 16:25:27 (UTC)
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Bryan, details as requested on trip to Zambia. Flew SAA to Jo'burg then SA Airlink direct to Ndola on a Foker 28. They have a daily service. Also Interair have a service to Ndola with connections on to DRC and points north. SA Airlink also service Jo'burg, Livingstone direct, Jo'burg-Lusaka is another route into Zambia.
Local business - I would personally recommend Marion Mould of Voyagers Travel Agency and Imperial Car Hire in Kitwe, very helpful indeed, and the Sherbourne Guest House - a good wateringhole and "business connections" venue. A place for the best Indian food I have had in a long time is the Mukwa Guesthouse. In Zambia in the supermarket the beer is cheaper than Coke and you get K500 deposit back on each beer bottle!
Peter Goodhew, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 13:42:19 (UTC)
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Keith Binns:
On the subject of terminology between different English speaking cultures. You posted that a fannie is a female body part openly discussed by women in the USA but not so in other English speaking countries. I disagree. That was a familiar word for the same body part in South Africa and Zambia when I was growing up. On the other hand, I have not heard it used here in Austin, but they do have something here called a fannie pack. It is a pouch worn around the waist and which is used to carry your keys, money, a police whistle, Swiss Army knife, handcuffs, pepper spray, a mini-stun gun, a gunney sack, blindfold, numchucks, a small can of Swarfega, 38 special, 12ft of rope, tyre iron and last, but not least, a 2X4, so that your hands are free to poke out the eyes of the "idyot" who tries to attack you on the way to your car in the parking lot. Hiiiiiiiieyah!
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 03:11:59 (UTC)
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Still on the subject of colour...sort of.
There is a family story, which I cannot remember of course, but which goes like this. When I was 4yrs old and not yet banished from Sunday School at the local church in Orange Grove, Joburg, there was a little musical presentation put on by my class for the congregation.
All the little girls were in the front row, patent leather shoes, pretty church dresses, bows in their hair, sweet little cherubs. All the boys were in a row behind them, hair slicked down with brylcream or mom's spit (remember that?), shirts hanging out of their pants, grinning mischievously at their proud parents scattered in the pews throughout the church.
The pianist played a few notes and the voices of little angels rose to the roof:
Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and yellow, black and white
They are precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world
After which one lone voice rang out with...
"Except for me because my mum says I'm going to hell."
There was a moment of stunned silence and then this rushing sound as my mum rose from her pew and marched over to me and escorted me out of the sanctuary by my ear.
Thank goodness the Lord has a sense of humour...
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 00:45:11 (UTC)
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Doug...... your last posting is such a delight...thank you........ Craig, Liz .... Those words are so so true......love them.........
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 23:59:28 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY JADE (BATTY)..........A TEENAGER AT LAST HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY !!!!!!!!!!!..........LOTS OF LOVE FROM YOUR LOVING FAMILY......MOM , ALICE, LEAH , ROSIE , INDI, SID AND FRED..........XXXXXXXXX
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 23:51:03 (UTC)
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Sue,
Going well. Glad to hear that Paudie is getting some mileage on his slops. :)
Doug,
Have to concur with Tina on your post, except that I have no interest in you for my non-existent harem! A very interesting perspective.
Liz,
Your reference to your tan reminds me of the following, several versions of which are floating around but this one will do for illustrative purposes:
When I am born, I am black
When I grow up, I am black
When I am ignorant, I am black
When I go out in the sun, I am black
When I am cold, I am black
When I am embarrassed, I am black
When I am jaundiced, I am black
When I am ill, I am black
When I die, I am black,
When I decompose, I am black
BUT YOU!
When you are born, you are pink
When you grow up, you are white
When you are ignorant, you are green
When you go out in the sun, you are brown
When you are cold, you are blue
When you are embarrassed, you are red
When you are jaundiced, you are yellow
When you are ill, you are off-colour
When you die, you are purple
When you decompose you are black
And you have the nerve to call ME COLOURED!
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 22:33:20 (UTC)
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How bizarre is this?
Last night I went into the chippie (I've turned religious and only eat fish on a Friday and why bother to cook it when I can get delicious lemon sole & chips just down the road). I digress... There's a new woman serving in the shop and when she said 'hooze nixt?' and it happened to be me, I gave her my order and asked her 'Zims or SA?' to which she replied 'Wankie ekchooly.' Now, bearing in mind that we live in a remote pseudo village in the back woods (well, it would be if there were any trees) of Lincolnshire where most people seem to be large and speak an incomprehensible dialect, it must be said that her accent stood out like a sore thumb. I said, something along the lines of 'How nice. I went to school in Zims. Bulawayo in fact' and she said 'Don't tell me, you're an Eveline girl'. Guilty as charged. Not only that but same hostel (McIntosh) and same years. Unfortunately, a busy F&C shop on a Friday night is not the time to go further into discussions on Miss Powell & Monkey Morris etc. - the natives were getting a little restless by this time so I will have to make a plan and find out who she is and how the devil she ended up here. For goodness sake - why would they end up here - I don't even know why I'M here! How strange though.
By the way, all this talk of black, white, brown, yellow, red etc. - isn't there a song:
Red and yellow and pink and green
Purple and orange and blue,
I can sing a rainbow, sing a rainbow......
Well, something along those lines anyway. Shouldn't we be the original Rainbow Nation? According to KK, we were all Zambians, irrespective of colour. And while I'm on that subject, don't go calling me 'white woman'. I have invested a great deal of time, money and effort working on this tan. I have the wrinkles to prove it too....
Lizd, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 21:52:23 (UTC)
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Happy Birthday Jade from your Uncle in Africa!
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 20:57:26 (UTC)
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Amanda in the Shakeys,
Well, last night we got watch Bay of Plenty beaten by one almighty rugby machine from Canterbury. It was the very first time we saw the yellow/blue hoops, and they played an exiting, never say die, kind of game.
But against Canterbury, the Bay of Plenty should have been called the Bay of Not Enough!
So what are the predictions there for the final? Canterbury over Wellington surely??
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 18:28:56 (UTC)
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Jade Key
It is now just after 2 a.m. in Perth and it has been your birthday for over 2 hours. Happy 13th birthday when you wake up!!!!!!!!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 18:23:50 (UTC)
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I don't think you men should be worrying about what colour you are but rather are you truly a man where it counts. (And by that I mean in your heart and not your "2x4" Glennie...grin)
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 17:55:35 (UTC)
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Ali, Keith,
Life is so strange. On the way home from Saturday errands I stopped at a weekend craft sale. I started talking to a 38 year old Kenyan by the name of Rael who was running a curio booth there. She goes back and forth on business and she and her American husband intend returning to Kenya to live. She is active in women's political and business organizations over there. Among other things, we spoke of Prof. Wangari Maathai. Rael says many people rejoiced when she was so honoured, but not only for national pride.
The 2002 Kenya elections were landmark in the democratic maturation process of that country in that they were truly multi-party, with both sides genuinely accepting and supporting the results. She says Kenyans feel a lot safer expressing independent views these days. She says Wangari's unceasing fight contributed greatly. However, she says, the Government still wanted to limit the blast furnace of Wangari's influence by filtering her through the Minister of Environment. Note she was only appointed Assistant Minister. However, she is now truly a world figure with influence way beyond her nominal position in the Government.
Douggie G
Your latest post was just the pleasantest, most reasoned posting to read! Long life to you and your 42 wives and may your cattle continue to breed well so you can add to the harem. You'd make a stunning addition to my harem if it wasn't for your wives. Well, maybe you can make a guest appearance. Can you do the Dance of the Seven Veils? ;-))
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 17:53:54 (UTC)
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Johnny,
Ayub's vituperative outbursts of racist indignations have always been unjustified. He desperately needs recognition and he thrives on scraps thrown him by people like Esther. He's actually a really good guy and my feeling is that one day he will realise that it doesn't matter whether he is the Lone Ranger or Tonto - we love him for what he is.
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 17:27:13 (UTC)
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Readers just let me enlighten you as to the expressionn speak for your self White Man / Black man, it is an expression I have used for at least 20 years ever since I heard this Joke.
The Lone Ranger and Tonto were galloping into this pass when a group of Red indians appeared before them, over the hill on there left appeared another group, and the same on the the right, they reined up and turned to retreat
the way they had come into the pass but coming at them from the rear,was another pack of indians, the Lone Ranger said to Tonto we are F---- and Tonto said speak for yourself white man, I love the phrase and I shall continue to use it where ever I think it is appropiate and I would remind Ayub that I maybe have more black friends around the world than maybe he has Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 17:03:02 (UTC)
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Chris
Natal is Shark country. That is our rugby team is called the Sharks and if you mention Blue Bulls here you are likely to get bitten. The Bulls have come up with a good cartoon titled 'naai die haai'. I will email it to you if I can find it.
As to changing to a conservative that's no more true than being a liberal. I am a realist and call it as I see it. I have a vested interest in trying to see the good signs because I am too old and lazy to move anywhere else. Anyway I couldn't afford to take my 42 wifes. As for racism in South Africa the whites form only about 12% so if there is any racial troubles we are likely to be on the receiving end.
As a member of a minority in a largely hostile majority I understand exactly how Ayub feels and why he reacts strongly to perceived racism. The Muslims in UK and the US cannot be feeling too secure with the dead bodies returning from Iraq.I still think he over-reacted to Johnny. I don't see anything wrong with refering to anyone by their ethnic group as long as it is not in a derogatory manner. In RSA it seems to be quite acceptable.
The Indians and Coloureds are quite happily calling themselves Blacks just to get on the 'Black Economic Empowerment' (BEE) gravy train. It does not always work and the Coloureds complain that under the old dispensation they were not white enough and under the new one they are not black enough. Even some of the whites are trying to find Hottentot grandmothers in the closet so that their companies can be classified as BEE companies and have access to Government contracts.
The South African Indians get cross if you call them Indians. They say that they were born in South Africa so they are South Africans which is true. Linda has just found that although she was born in African and now lives in America she cannot claim to be Afro-American, whereas an American with maybe 10% black blood who doesn't even know where Lusaka is, can be an Afro-American. Crazy world!
Sometimes it gets a bit confusing. We have an excellent Minister of Finance by the name of Trevor Manuel. He is a coloured but but probably as white or whiter than me, but in our new dispensation he is Black.
My youngsters tells me I must be a black man in a white skin because I like to eat nshima and bushmeat, mealies, masukus, bush mushrooms and so on whereas they prefer Kentucky and MacDonalds. Cheeky Bugurs!
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 15:57:08 (UTC)
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what a lovelly posting Laura congratulations to both you and Tony........the GNR cupid sure knows how to shoot those arrows.......
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 13:56:18 (UTC)
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Laura and Tony:
Congratulations!! Long live the GNR.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 12:34:55 (UTC)
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CONGRATULATIONS Laura & Tony!
How about a photo or two and a bit more info?
Don't leave us dangling... a photo of when you were young together and your wedding day - please.
Yes, Craig - that little cherub gets around.... Hey -How'ya'goin'?
Paudie has almost worn a hole in his black slip-slops too!
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 11:34:49 (UTC)
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Laura and Tony,
Congratulations!
Sue,
Cupid strikes again! Who was that masked cherub anyway?
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 10:03:37 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur,
Thanks for the posting of the photos.
I recognise some of the people in George Maxwell's photo of footballers. The central figure is Francis Kaunda head of ZCCM. The referee is Arthur Davies who went on to become Deputy Chairman and Chief Executive of Circuit Holdings.
The man standing behind Francis Kaunda is Ken Grove who later was the CPC Chief Engineer.
The team on the right were the very successful Power Dynamos. Their goalkeeper, who is kneeling second from the left, was the smallest man in the team.
Could the other match officials be Ernest Mate and Dennis Liwewe?
I think I recognise three of the other team as CPC people but am not certain. The photo appears to have been taken at the Arthur Davies Stadium, home of the Power Dynamos
Mike
Mike Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 06:49:50 (UTC)
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Laura:
So glad your story had a happy ending. Enjoy every moment - you were obviously meant to be together.
June
June Dobson, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 06:29:31 (UTC)
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Linda... After a very busy week at work.....I never got to read that article, if I get time in the next couple of days I will track it down and read it.............
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 06:18:13 (UTC)
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Keith.Wangari Maathai has become one of my heroes here is a bit more info about her.......my friend Shobhana just missed out on interviewing her for the book she is writing....."women in leadership" whilst she was visiting Kenya...
Wangari Muta Maathai was born in Nyeri, Kenya (Africa) in 1940. The first woman in East and Central Africa to earn a doctorate degree, Prof. Maathai obtained a degree in Biological Sciences from Mount St. Scholastica College in Atchison, Kansas (1964). She subsequently earned a Master of Science degree from the University of Pittsburgh (1966). She pursued doctoral studies in Germany and the University of Nairobi, obtaining a Ph.D. (1971) from the University of Nairobi where she also taught veterinary anatomy. She became chair of the Department of Veterinary Anatomy and an associate professor in 1976 and 1977 respectively. In both cases, she was the first woman to attain those positions in he region. Wangari Maathai was active in the National Council of Women of Kenya in 1976 -87 and was it chairman in 1981-87. It was while she served the National Council of Women that she introduced the idea of planting trees with the People in 1976 and continued to develop it into broad-based, grassroots organization whose main focus is the planting of trees with women groups in order to conserve the environment and improve their quality of life. However, through the Green belt Movement she has assisted women in planting more than 20 million trees on their farms and on schools and church compounds.
In 1986 the Movement established a Pan African Green Belt Network and has exposed over 40 individuals from other African counties to the approach. Some of these individuals have established similar tree planting initiatives in their own countries or they use some of the Green belt movement methods to improve their efforts. So far some countries have successfully launched such initiatives in Africa (Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Lesotho, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe etc). In Sept. 1998 she launched a campaign of the Jubilee 2000 coalition. She has embarked on new challenges, playing a leading global role as a co-chair, of the Jubilee 2000 Africa Campaign, which seeks cancellation of the unpayable backlog debts of the poor countries in Africa by the year 2000. Her campaign against land grabbing and rapacious allocation of forests land that has caught the limelight in the recent past.
Wangari Maathai is internationally recognized for her persistent struggle for democracy, human rights and environmental conservation. She has addressed the UN on several occasions and spoke on behalf of women at special sessions of the General Assembly for the five-year review of the earth summit. She served on the commission for Global Governance and commission on the future. She and The Green Belt Movement have received numerous awards, such as The Sophie Prize (2004), The Petra Kelly Prize for Environment (2004), Arbor Day Foundation's J. Sterling Morton Award (2004), Conservation Scientist Award (2004), the WANGO Environment Award (2003), Outstanding Vision and Commitment Award (2002), Excellence Award from the Kenyan Community Abroad (2001), The Juliet Hollister Award (2001), the Golden Ark Award (1994), the Jane Adams Leadership Award (1993), the Edinburgh Medal (1993), UN's Africa Prize for Leadership (1991), the Goldman Environmental prize (1991), the Woman of the World (1989), the Windstar Award for the Environment (1988), the Better World Society Award (1986), the right livelihood award (1984) and the Woman of the Year Award (1983).
Prof. Maathai is also listed on UNEP's Global 500 Hall of Fame and named one of the 100 heroines of the world. In June 1997, Wangari was elected by Earth Times as one of 100 persons in the World who have made a difference in the environmental arena. Prof. Maathai has also received honorary doctoral degrees from several institutions around the world: William's college, MA USA (1990), Hobart & William Smith Colleges (1994), University of Norway (1997).
The Green Belt Movement and Prof. Wangari Maathai are featured in several publications including The Green Belt Movement: Sharing the Approach (by Prof. Wangari Maathai, 2002), Speak Truth to Power (Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, 2000), Women Pioneers for the Environment (Mary Joy Breton, 1998), Hopes Edge: The Next Diet for a Small Planet (Frances Moore Lappe and Anna Lappe, 2002), Una Sola Terra: Donna I Medi Ambient Despres de Rio (Brice Lalonde et al, 1998), Land Ist Leben (Bedrohte Volker, 1993)
Prof. Maathai serves on the boards of several organizations including the UN Secretary Generals Advisory Board on Disarmament, The Jane Goodall Institute, Women and Environment Development Organization (WEDO), World Learning for International Development, Green Cross International, Environment Liaison Center International, the WorldWIDE Network of Women in Environmental Work and National Council of Women of Kenya.
In December 2002, Prof. Maathai was elected to parliament with an overwhelming 98% of the vote. She was subsequently appointed by The President, as Assistant Minister for Environment, Natural Resources and Wildlife in Kenya's ninth parliament
(article from the "Green Belt Movement"
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 06:15:37 (UTC)
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After fruitless searching for me for many years Tony Bannister (my husband) finally posted a message here. We were engaged as teenagers and due to family problems parted. Within 24 hours we were talking and married in 3 months....yaaayyy for the GNR.
All our love
Tony and Laura Bannister
Laura Bannister, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 05:34:01 (UTC)
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WOW Arthur!
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 02:47:18 (UTC)
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Northerners !
I can't resist, I should be taking a sabbatical, note the time I'm posting this.
Ian Lesch,
Not sure if these are what you're looking for, not the same numbers but 9J-ADR and 9J-ADS.
Flying over Chambishi, planes owned by RCM Ltd., Chibuluma mines. Don't know if they're Cherokees, the photograph displayed here is half the size of the one I have archived.
The shots are from a collection of photographs George Maxwell rescued from oblivion, Spectacular photographs, they were taken all around the Copperbelt, both above and below ground.
If you look in the archives I posted a similar photo sent in by Gordon Garlick of the same planes on Sunday, August 25, 2002 at 08:59:39 (UTC)
This one is an example of one of the many photos, I have posted it before but I particularly like this one as the photographer has captured the scene in a way that nearly appears as if it is a negative print.
Atmospheric and pulsating industrial power, Mufulira Mine and surface plant at night. I wonder what it looks like now.
This shot from George's collection has still not been identified.
Anyone know who they all are and the year it was taken?
By chance the last Rhokana Review I was looking for and which arrived recently had an article about parachuting at Nkana and has an article which might interest some.
Paul Cowie
Thanks for the memories, sorry to say we never stopped in Cape Town for long once we got there, we always had another journey ahead of us.
One of my favourite tubs.
Vivienne
So you remembered me ! Are you sure? I certainly wouldn't have visited with my father, especially as you were a convent girl. How about sending your photo taken around the same age Viv?
Charlie
The posse has stood down, Rhodesiafog got clean away and the photos were removed from the site before I could fire a shot. Word has it that the sun was glinting - possibly off the top of someone's head - and gave the game away. If you go hunting again take a hat.
Tina
Yet another convent girl. It aint just the fish that carry out all their bodily functions in water. You're safe as long as you check that there are no fishermen upstream when you fill your kettle for a brew
Now I need to get up early and go fishing.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 00:47:25 (UTC)
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Colin,
Thanks for that report on the memorial service in Faslane. Yes, there is a glaring lack of information. I don't watch TV very often, but I was appalled the other day when I saw that the senior officer briefing the press couldn't (or wouldn't) answer basic questions days after the fire. The Opposition is calling for a public enquiry, but I haven't heard yet whether or not there will be one.
Linda,
You remind me of an apocryphal story about Richard Pryor (if I remember correctly) who was alleged to have visited Zim-barbie in 1980, in part to "find his roots" and bond with... yadda, yadda, yadda. He sat with an old black man and said, "I understand you can tell what tribe a person is from just by looking at him. Is that true." The madala agreed that it was true. So Pryor asks, "What tribe am I from?" The old man replies, "Italian."
Paul,
Nicely written reminiscence. Thanks.
Hazel,
Did you get my e-mail?!
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 21:52:47 (UTC)
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Chris tamm,
No, I haven't forgotton. I am awaiting some statistics. Will post them as soon as I get them. Now don't forget what it was all about! Just a comparison on how the Economy fared between the two! Both were bad but under whom was the most damage done!
Regarding the issue of Asians...most of their businesses collapsed after Chiluba came to power. Widespread free for all importation of consumer goods led to the collapse of many Asian Shops. Appearance of Supermarkets from down South further added to the demise. Even in Manufacturing Asian businesses took a downward turn. In 1990, there were 2300 factories manufacturing Textile products in Zambia..by 2000 there were only 8 left!. There is not much left now....the Economy is virtually dependent on imported finished goods! Asian shopkeepers in Lusakaare still seen in the Kamwala Market area where they continue to try to make a living. Some have entered the Catering Sector. Ask any Asian and he will say business was good before 1990! I guess in times of shortages (when KK was in power) businesses thrive as prices are high and profits too! Ultimately, any Economy which is virtually dependent on imported consumer products will be in serious trouble sooner or later! As far as your assertion on racism against Asians and Europeans...I do not believe it was as widespread as you may imply. I am sure it did exist. I assume the Government did question the loyalty of many Europeans living in Zambia; especially with the issue of UDI. Questions of Loyalty to a State arise all the time. The loyalty of Muslims living in the UK is currently being debated; purely because the terrorists claim to be Muslims; there is an assumption that there is an "enemy within". And with it have come draconian laws.
If you are implying that the 1968/1972 reforms were racist..you could argue that ,but you could also argue that they were meant to clarify the loyalty of Asians (or for that matter all expatriates) living in Zambia at that time. There was a choice given..become Zambian citizens if you want to continue trading or shut down! Asians just bypassed that by putting their businesses in their children's names! Those who had shops in the Rural areas just closed up! Subsequently in 1972,KK warned all expatriate traders to become Zambian Citizens or sell up! In 1961 there were 7,790 Asians in Zambia..in 1969, 10,785. I do not think there was a mass exodus like was seen in East Africa. I will check the figures relating to this issue. After 1975 the issue about Trading Laws was put on the back-burner.The issue of Uganda brought home to bear on African Governments the consequences.Talking to Asians in Zambia today I get the same vibes..."there will be no economic future in Zambia very soon for us"! Hence, some will move on. Those with Zambian Citizenship will have no choice but to remain! There are many "travellers" who are in Zambia at the moment trying to do business! There are Liberians,Somalis,Lebanese etc. I don't think they will re-invest their profits in Zambia. They have no affinity/bond with that country and are likely to cut and run. Perhaps..who knows in the future, Zambia might just be swallowed up(economically) by SA!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 19:12:49 (UTC)
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Tacky Takkies
Van was in London & he'd heard that the best action was at Piccadilly Circus
He was picked up quite soon & negotiations regarding the fee got under way.
It was the last days of Van's visit to England & funds were low.
The asking price of ten pounds was more than Van could afford so he offered Five.
The lady agreed but only if threw in his new Reebok shoes.
"Ok lady, it’s a deal, I give you five pounds & my Takkies."
The couple retired to the girls digs & Van began stripping off with great enthusiasm.
"Hold your horses Van, this is not going to be the Full Monty for the amount you are paying! Just a straight quickie with no emotion from me. OK!"
"Alright lady, lets do it."
Van went at it with gusto & soon noticed that there was quite a bit of spasmodic movement from his partner.
"Ag man, I thought you was not going to show any feelings Skatie!"
"Oh bugger off, you wanker, I just trying on the running shoes!"
Bill Hunt, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 18:46:40 (UTC)
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Hi All,
This is the next story I had to post...hopefully it will bring back a few memories...that amazing train trip between Ndola and Cape Town every year...fantastic...
IF WE WENT BY TRAIN
We would normally begin the planning phase in October, when my Dad would come home from the office at about 4:30 pm and we would then all hop in the car and go to the Muf station where we would visit the passenger coaches, which were at the station at the time. Every little detail was noted, from the number of the coach, to the colour and smell of the leather seats, and the pictures screwed to the walls. We would then have a competition to see if we could guess the number of the coach that would take us "down south"... the winner got 2/6!
Frank Buch's driver, "Long-one", would take us to Ndola on the afternoon leading to the night on which we were to leave. WITHOUT FAIL, I managed to convince myself that I would develop some sort of dreaded disease just before leaving, and have to stay at home...never happened!
The smell of that beautiful steam engine, the flying ants at the station, and the general hubbub of porters loading bedding and luggage, along with that very special electricity in the air as we awaited departure time, can only be described as an excruciatingly incredible feeling which goes way beyond description. By the time that whistle blew, and that agonisingly slow pull away began, I was totally beside myself with excitement! I ALWAYS insisted on having my head out of the window staring out into the dark bush flashing by, listening to the tatuk,tatuk of the wheels on the rails, and then finally, the AGONY of a hot coal in the eye which would blindside me for the next 2 days!
The gentle rocking of the coach as I tried to go to sleep surrounded by a total infusion of smells and sounds which can ONLY be found on a steam train chugging through the Central African bush. The funny little sidings, which were reached with a squeal of brakes and a lurch...and then the different voices of the sleepy people doing whatever they had to do at some ungodly hour of the night, in the middle of nowhere. Then the obligatory visit to the loo...just to stand on the flushing pedal, so that I could watch the rails flash by below. MY Mother CLEANING the toilet with a new bottle of Dettol, specially bought for the occasion!
Then the clackalackalak of the steward's key in the door...offering the most heavenly smelling coffee to wake us up, as we continued to roar through the African bushveld. That was followed by the visit to the dining saloon, where we were served with silver cutlery and real linen napkins....hot or cold milk for our Post Toasties and Grapenuts...a choice of eggs and bacon..And kipper!! Toast in lovely little silver racks, wrapped in a warm linen napkin, so as not to spoil.... HOT milk with coffee!!
Who could forget the awe, as we crossed the bridge at Victoria Falls, followed by the train snaking through the dense bush around Wankie, always the most beautiful verdant green, and almost alive, as the train appeared to swathe its way through the dense undergrowth, and then onwards to Bulawayo, where a lengthy stop saw us change from Rhodesian Railways to South African Railways, before heading for the Bechuanaland border....scrubby bush....and then the stop near the border, for passport control and a chance to buy a beautifully hand carved bi plane from vendors who appeared as if by magic from the surrounding bush.
The trip ever moving southwards and finally, on the last night, sunset over the Karoo, as we ate a magnificent supper in the saloon. The clickety clack of the rails always changed mid way through the night, as we moved through the Karoo, as the South Africans were experimenting with welded sections of track which would make the ride smoother and quieter...then finally waking up just as we started going through the tunnels which would take us through the Hex River valley, and then beyond to the siting of Table Mountain in the distance (another 2/6 for the first one to see the mountain!!). The run into Cape Town, past the coloured settlements, cemeteries, the walls of the Cape Town Castle, just as we eased into the final stop at the Cape Town station...the seaside holiday had just begun!
Paul Cowie, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 18:43:40 (UTC)
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Douggie ou bees,
Jislaaick man, but you are a confusing fellow. In a short period of just 6 to 12 months, you have turned around from a liberal position so far to the left of the mainstream that you were on the banks (ack. G.W. Bush this past Wednesday), to a pseudo arch conservative commentator. I just wish you would leave out the reference to a few very large outfits in the US. Those cases are isolated, and have absolutely buggerall to do with the topic at hand. We just cannot compare those cases - it is like comparing jukskei lumber with Canadian submarine paint.
Your posting is very cogent. SA has far farther to fall than all other sub Saharan countries, and the downward slide has apparently started. Another tragedy in the making. And we hear so little about it. Keep it up my mate.
What are the Seorf Efriken predictions for Currie Cup semis this naweek? And who will prevail in the final? I read that the Blou Bulle ("my" old team from 1980-81) are favorites because they play good traditional rugby - just like Avril Malan's team in the 60's. Last night, we watched Wellington defeat Waikato in a thrilling match in appaling conditions, where there was so little "traditional" playinging style, that one would have to conclude that the All Blacks would thrash the Bokke if they played today. Somehow, the All Blacks play better in non All Black jerseys than in them. If they were to find a coach who would massage their seemingly natural creative instincts displayed in the NPC and Super12 contests to the international arena, they would rule supremely.
Lekker naweek in Vryheid
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 18:32:36 (UTC)
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Robert asked which country in Africa wasn’t a kleptocracy. Ken answered none with he possible exception of South Africa.
South Africa is probably the biggest kleptocracy in Africa because there is more to steal. About 33% of our members of parliament are being investigated by the Scorpions (an elite police unit) for converting about R16 million of their parliamentary travel vouchers with corrupt travel agents for personal use. Every effort is being made to duck and dive by MP’s including the speaker.
Then there is the corruption story about the R30 billion arms deal. The vice president Zuma has been accused (inter alia) of soliciting a R500, 000 from a French arms company via his ‘financial adviser’ Shabir Sheik. Firstly the investigative unit led by Judge Willem Heath was closed down and Heath sacked when it tried to investigate the arms deal. Then Gavin Woods of the IFP who was the chairman of the parliamentary committee overseeing public accounts was hounded out of office and replaced with yes men, for looking into the arms deal. Andrew Fienstien an ANC member of the committee honorably resigned in disgust. Bulelani Nguka the chief prosecutor with the Scorpions then said that they had a prima fascia case against Zuma but would first proceed with a corruption case against Shabir. Then came the ‘Mac and Mo show’ where Mac Maharaj and Mo Shaik (Shabir’s brother) both high ranking ANC members tried to stop Nguka by accusing him of being an ‘apartheid spy’. A commission of enquiry soon squashed this red herring but Nguka shortly after collapsed under the pressure and resigned. Four good men down so far.
There is still hope. Shabir Sheik’s case has just opened in the high court in Durban and it is obvious to all, that Zuma is also on trial.
There is a titanic battle between good and evil taking place in South Africa. There are some hopeful signs that slowly but surely some of the vermin are biting the dust.
If you want to see kleptocracy on a grand scale you don’t have to look to Africa. It is right there in the US of A. The only difference is that they are so much more experienced at hiding it. For example Dick Cheney’s previous company has certainly got a good share of reconstruction projects in Iraq.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 17:54:37 (UTC)
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Zumla, still whining:
Thank you! At least you have seen the intent and purpose behind that remark!
Let me remind you old chap, that you promised to present here, certain economic statistics that showed just how wonderfully the Zambian nation fared under KK and that wonderful successor of his? Whilst you are at it, and as an apparent fundi on racism as well as also too, please do not discount from your presentation the positive impact on the nation from all the forced and unforced departure of most white and Asian folk from the country.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 17:46:32 (UTC)
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Ayub, dear chap, when will you learn?
Tina – sorry, I owe you clarification. Perception not being reality is the jaded point of view that most us southern Californian males have regarding boobs since here they’re all “perfect”. Here we have a saying : “Seeing is believing, but feeling is the naked truth.”
Linda – I’m still trying to work out exactly why “flying around in circles” is not appreciated by your husband? Hey, tell him that if he flies in ever decreasing circles he’ll be like the “O-o-o-h A-a-a-h Bird” and end up like me, flying up his own . . . . . never mind. You have this fascinating way of putting things. For example, the lascivious way you talk about the smell of hand cleaner. I also like the way you tease me by calling me “Glennie” even though you know that my nickname is The GB (The Glennyboy). You haven’t developed a crush on me have you? By the way, I’m pleased to advise that I have more to offer you than Ayub and by way of a restaurant analogy, simply allow me in my modest fashion to say . . . . . ”Quit snacking kiddo, it’s time for a real meal”.
And lastly, Esther . . . .why don’t you go back and read your sensible posting :
“This message board is for all.
If you don't like the subject matter - its simple to scroll until there is something that you do like.
To criticize anyone for their entries is self centered and totally unnecessary.”
Wednesday, September 22, 2004
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 17:10:03 (UTC)
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Esther,
Thank you! At least you have seen the intent and purpose behind that remark!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 15:41:15 (UTC)
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Ian Lesch
Can't help with the photos of the aircraft you are looking for but do have a photo of 9J-RDO, also a Cherokee 180, being refueled. I think this must have been at the Lusaka Flying Club but not sure.
The aircraft belonged to Mr Lathwood who ran the Woodlands Service Station.
Hartley
Hartley Heaton, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 14:30:15 (UTC)
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Hi Chris,
I like that story. I bet Mike doesn't get many offers like that! On language as opposed to accents, I know that fannies in the USA are a body part that ladies openly discuss. NOT so in other english speaking countries though. All these cultures separated by a common tongue, as someone once said.
I'm not in the sand pit at the moment but on my way back. Now at Changi Airport in transit before my flight to Dubai. Should be back at work 7am. Saturday. What a fantastic airport Changi is. Today is the first day of the holy month of Ramadan so the next 4 weeks in Abu Dhabi will be interesting to observe.
NEW SUBJECT:
The recently graduated son of friends of ours in Perth has just gone to Kansanshi Mine in Zambia which is somewhere near Chingola apparently. I'll have to check my maps later. He is a mechanical engineer whose company (Minproc or Quantum Mining) is commissioning a new copper mine there. Small world. If anyone bumps into him wish him well!
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 13:59:35 (UTC)
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I don't blame Ayub for being upset.
I can't believe John would make such a simple-minded, stupid and uneccessary comment. Shame on you!
Esther Pettersson, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 06:19:38 (UTC)
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Glen
This is becoming quite difficult... I was going to say: "An interesting perception!" But if it may not be real I probably shouldn't respond to it....
Ali
Where ARE you?
Linda
Well we're not safe yet. Fish live their lives and carry out all their bodily functions in water. This water is, among other things, used to make coffee........
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 04:09:14 (UTC)
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Aaah Glen, and just when I was beginning to warm up to you.. grin. Glad to see you are back on form and I am no longer a leper.
Ali:
I read that newspaper link, but had a lot of fun reading other stories too. Did you notice the article about coffee being made from animal poop. I thought it was going to be a load of nonsense, but apparently it was quite legit and seems to be sought after. Now that's where I draw the line.
Johnny:
I think you better stick to overseeing your harem. It keeps you out of trouble.. sorta. By the way, did you know that I am more African-American than any black person over here. Not to start a furor over this, but I get quite amused when people here talk about going back to Africa to find their roots. I don't think they would feel at home in a village at all.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 03:56:37 (UTC)
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G'day all Northeners,
Although I don' t post here very often, I read these pages most days and enjoy catching up on all the old names and war stories. I particularly enjoy the photos.
I was wondering if anyone has any photos of aircraft from around the Copperbelt area. I am particulary interested in the Nkana Flying Club aircraft 9J-RHJ a Cherokee 140 and 9J-RHG a Cherokee 180. Also Taffy Hughs of Kasompe fame had a couple of Cherokee 140s 9J-RAX and 9J-RAY from memory.
Thanks in advance if anyone can help
Ian Lesch, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 03:26:20 (UTC)
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Keith in the sand pit,
Re your Kiwi dentist chick's accent. A few months ago, Barbara and I were invited over to some friends house for Sunday brunch. They had just completed a new large deck (verandah) against the house with a great pergola type canopy for shade and shelter. When we arrived, our host asked where we would like to sit - either inside or outside. Barbara (born and bred Rhodesian with accent still very much intact after 25 years absence) answered saying she would like to ".......sit on Mike's deck".
She has never been allowed to forget that!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 03:07:55 (UTC)
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Ali, Glen,
Wangari Maathai
Interesting to hear about another side to Wangari Maathai. In David Suzuki's excellent book "The Sacred Planet" published in 1997 there are 3 pages devoted to Wangari Maathai. She earned a B.A. in the USA, an M.A. in Germany and a Ph.D in Kenya. She was divorced by her husband for being "too educated, too strong, too stubborn and too hard to control". She was inspired to plant 7 trees in her garden on World Environment Day in 1977 at the start of what would become the Green Belt Movement. By 1997over 15 million trees had been planted providing employment and income for Kenyan farmers, 70 percent of whom are women. When the Govt. appropriated Freedom Park in Nairobi to construct an office she rallied opposition with incendiary speeches: "This building will cost $200 million which the ruling party proposes to borrow from foreign banks. The people are starving. They need food, education and medicine, not a skyscraper to house the ruling party". Her salvo was taken as an attack on the president, Daniel Arap Moi, and she was villified, arrested and beaten.
She remained in Kenya and has now won a Nobel prize. Personally, I think she deserves it.
(My 2004 review of the book is on the Amazon web site)
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 02:35:44 (UTC)
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Glen, Linda et al,
Further to the medicine and the wrist etc., a funny thing happpened to my then 18 year old son about 7 years ago. Our dentist's receptionist had the broadest kiwi accent you could imagine and it was often difficult to understand her. She was a good looker though and easily forgiven. She would ring up and announce that it was "Dibbie from the dintist" calling. A few hours after returning home from having a wisdom tooth removed Debbie rang my son and asked if he was getting plenty of "wrist". For an 18 year old that is entirely his private business and he nearly fell over, especially when she repeated the question with greater urgency.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 02:12:00 (UTC)
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Craig : On a more sombre note regarding the loss of life on the sub in the Atlantic, a memorial service was held at Faslane which co-incided with the burial service in Canada, and was very well attended, illustrating the West Coaster's ever awareness of the dangers of the deep and sympathies accorded to those who die at sea. There seems to an awful lot of gaps regarding the history of those four sisters subs which were built in 1986 but only taken over by the Royal Navy in 1990 and taken out of service only four years later in1994 and bought by Canada in 1998 yet only sailed to Canada in 2004. As far as we know here, the sub that went on fire, was canabalised over the years to maintain the other three in working order in enable their sale, as sub no. four had a history ( electrical) of faults. This sub was still on the surface (why?) in heavy seas eighty miles west of Ireland when the accident occured, presumably caused by excess vibration on the dodgy electricial systems which were known to exist on this boat, a lemon you called it, you were far to polite. My knowledge is very limited on this subject but surely there must be a greater interest in Canada with at least a Public Inquiry regarding the total incompetance of the Government Departments regarding Defence and the Senior Officials in the Canadian Navy.
JOHNNY: You may call me a White Man, Jock, Haggis Basher, Pict, Celt, Albanian, Druid, Gael, till you are BLUE in the face but I will see nothing derogatory in your description, other than a sense of pride in my pedigree, as should all Jock Tamsons Bairns should see in theirs.
DOUG : Indeed every flea has its flea, has its flea, ad etc. its a great pity we are lumbered with so many with the advent on the proscription on DDT.
TAKKIES: Always refered to as SANNIES in my youth (Sandshoes) until the social correct awareness of late made us aware of the obvious nature of an alternate appropriate appliance.
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, October 15, 2004 at 01:39:55 (UTC)
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Hey Zumla, take a peek at this:
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
This was written by Andy Rooney of 60 Minutes, broadcast on TV around the planet.and posted to this board a few weeks ago by (I think it was) Yukon Pete. The truth is sometimes painful isn't it?
You are behaving a little like our old buddy McCarthy - a communist behind every bush (no pun intended). Stop whinging.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 23:05:48 (UTC)
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Hi Maxie,
Great to hear from you again. I also played with the Bambis in Broken Hill when you were captain back in 1968/69/70s. Boy, were these great days.
Cheers,
Pat Wilson (formerly Sylvester)
Patricia Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 22:16:12 (UTC)
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Hi Chris
sorry no connections here for tickets. It is a bit of a scandal here as they have severly rationed the tickets available to New Zealanders and seem to be allocating most to Poms through their union/travel agents. If I here of anything I will lwet you know but don't hold your breath.
The steamers are having a great season, taking the Ranfurly shield off Waikato, and beating Auckland.
Amanda McIntosh, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 21:41:49 (UTC)
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This in from the Bar across the river:
I hear there is a new Barbie on the market - she has no clothes, no money, and no food.
She's called "Zim-Barbie"
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 21:33:18 (UTC)
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Ayub,
I have replied to your private message to me, but will reply publicly as well since you also posted a message here.
I am going to be brief and unemotional because we have had to deal with complaints many times over the years, and we are so used to it that we have developed a policy that is now posted on the Web site which saves time, angst and misunderstandings. Under the heading "Complaints" near the bottom of the "Important Notes and Tips" page it says:
"The Great North Road is not responsible for and does not necessarily endorse the contents of messages posted on the message board. If you have a complaint about a poster's message, complain directly to that poster. Do not contact the GNR with complaints about a message posted unless you are quite certain that the message in question contravenes either criminal or civil legislation. In your complaint, ensure that you quote the legislation and the jurisdiction in question and (preferably) provide a link to a copy the legislation on the Web, published on an authoritative (i.e., government) Web site."
I will add that Johnny did make an almost identical "white man" comment in response to someone else's post on the board earlier this month, and nobody (including you) complained or even commented on the apparent racist nature of that comment, so I fail to see any justification for the double standard. I also put it to you that it's much easier to misinterpret the true intent of a glib comment posted on a message board than it is to do so when the comment is delivered in person, where other factors such as body language can be taken into account.
I understand that you are angry, but being an intelligent man I am sure that you will examine the reasons for your anger and perhaps realise that you may have overreacted.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 21:27:15 (UTC)
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Oops! shoulda been "kind of language".
Pity we can't go back and edit our postings.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 21:24:31 (UTC)
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Ayub! Ayub! My dear friend.While most (if not all) of us express a great measure of disgust at this kind language, please do not forget that famous old Scots saying," The more you tramp on a piece of shit, the bigger it gets". Dinna fash yersel laddie.
"Life is but a variorum
Let them live it as they choose,
Let them stand about decorum
Who have characters to loose"
Omar Khayam.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 21:21:20 (UTC)
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Sorry, that should read 'tennis' not rennis!
Jilly
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 20:56:39 (UTC)
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Collins English Dictionary - Millenium Edition
tackies or takkies (variant spelling of tackies) S.African informal rennis shoes or plimsolls (Probably from Tacky, with reference to their nonslip rubber soles)
What's derogatory about being called Black?
White woman.
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 20:54:23 (UTC)
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Ayub
Long ago I made a posting about sex being more like hard work than pleasure as one gets older. Johnny commented, " Speak for yourself, white man," obviously casting himself as a black man who age was not slowing down.
Now he has turned it the other way round on you meaning he is still getting lots of nooky. Don't be affronted by the 'black man'. Johnny is a joker and he only means it in fun, so cool down my friend.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 20:28:55 (UTC)
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Colin
Re your posting about the multiple layers of government that is the Scots mans burden. Isn’t there a old saying that big fleas have little fleas. The whole shower parasiting and blood sucking on the taxpayer.
Robert
I see there is no wikipedia in chikabanga. An opportunity for some of our linguists?
Tackies in English, Takkies in Afrikaans, and Taki (or Tucky) in Greek. Lighty, how is your brother? I have heard and spoken that word so many times over the last half century but have never written it or read it before.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 20:18:20 (UTC)
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Johnny: referring toyour digusting jibe
"speak for yourself black man"
You are an utter disgrace.To refer to me in such a derogatory manner.I will not accept that crap from anyone. Lets see how the GNR management reacts to your crap! Why dont you get out of your hole and go to Zambia and try using that language there! I hope they push you off this board pretty fast before you infest it further. Free speech..my....!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 20:00:16 (UTC)
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Ali K
I believe I've got the best results so far (Peter D's not far behind, @ 15, and also coming from BH). My results were a nice odd # one, of course! Tis' me self - to be sure!
Regards
CJ
Charles Cartmill, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 18:52:49 (UTC)
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Sometimes you get no service at all,
And most of the time you have to be happy with self-service!
Ayub Ismail Zumla.
Speak for yourself black man, Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 18:38:04 (UTC)
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Amanda,
Thanks for the heads up about the Steamers. Over here, we see a great deal of rugger, like Super 12, Tri Nations, World Cup, NPC, Currie Cup, and some 6 Nations as well although the BBC are too greedy and we cannot afford too many games.
This year we watched one live game each weekend, of the NPC contest, and one same day taped delay of the Currie Cup. The games are screened on either sattelite, or digital cable by Fox Sports World. I suppose we can only wish we could get to see them all, but that might impair the performance of the economic engine, and perhaps the marriage constitution as well? In any event, we have never seen Bay of Plenty, this year or in the past 5 years since FSW began screening rugby matches. We see the regulars (Auckland, Wellington, Waikato, Otago, and Canterbury). But this weekend - Yeah!! we get to see new blood on our idiots lantern! I am always one for the underdog and so I hope the result will go the right way.
Amanda, if you are "connected" in the sport, please let me know. My pommy mukker and I wish to tour with the Lions next year, and need tickets to the 2nd and 3rd Tests (Wellington and Auckland, July 2 and 9 respectively). Can you help? Tickets are worse than hens teeth this tour, but if at first you don't succeed, try and try again, I say.
Here is another expression of truth -
"beware of stupid people in large numbers!"
Is that Truth or Consequence?
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 18:13:21 (UTC)
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Tina,
This may shock you, but perception is not necessarily reality.
Ayub,
Sorry to hear your definition of sex. Hey, we all have our problems.
Linda,
Thanks for the veiled offer but I’m not into threesomes so don’t worry about bringing your husband to Siavonga.
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 17:18:22 (UTC)
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Dear Alan,Gary & Family,
We would like to give our condolences on the sad loss of Jane.Our thoughts are with you all
Pierre and Diana
Diana Fabel, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 11:25:57 (UTC)
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I like this Results 1 - 10 of about 1,760,000 for truth and key. (0.34 seconds)
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 11:24:31 (UTC)
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Nothing but the truth....
There is DEFINITELY something wrong with Google. A search on:
TRUTH and DIELISSEN = 18 hits
TRUTH and HARTNETT = 33,300 hits
I am duly impressed, Craig!!!
Could be a great opening line in a bar.....
Peter Dielissen, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 11:03:21 (UTC)
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Maxie et al., on the spelling of "ta(c|k)kies",
I have always spelled it with two K's, but then I have always wondered whether or not that was right. When in doubt about the truth, take a poll using a search engine. A search for "tackies" generates 2240 hits and a link to a definition on Dictionary.com (who state its origin is South African), whereas a search for "takkies" gets only 1890 hits. So if what is the truth in language depends on how many people use a word, the two are close to neck and neck in the foot race.
Interestingly, Charlie's Sneaker FAQ and Glossary claims that the word "takkies" is used in Ireland, although I have never heard it used there unless it was me speaking. Maybe someone (Paudie?) from the Irish contingent can add to that. That said, if you read his "definition" of "South Africa" you get a feeling for his typically-odd Amerocentric view of the "truth"! I quote: "A country located in Africa in approximately the same location within Africa as Texas occupies in the United States. [Huh?] South Africa has two major problems. First, they learned how to [mis]spell from the United Kingdom. [As I said, Amerocentric.] Secondly, Saudi Arabia got the mnemonic Internet country designation ".SA"; South Africa got stuck with ".ZA" as their country designation. [Umm, yeah, like Germany (i.e., Deutschland) got 'stuck with' .DE!]" Yes, the truth will truthfully set you free, but Charlie is still looking.
A search on Google for the truth gets you "about" 23 000 000 pages of reading material. Going with my previous idea of a poll, I notice that a search for "truth magee" gets 36 000 hits, while a search for "truth tamm" gets only 2330. Hmm.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 06:42:06 (UTC)
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Opened the Auckland Herald yesterday and there on the front page was a full colour picture of some daring chap on the edge of Vic Falls just above the article about the granny bashing up the croc. Lets hope it spurs kiwi's to visit Zambia rather than hop across the ditch.
Chris - if you want to cheer for some real rugby players try supporting the Steamers from the Bay of Plenty. A team with grit, determination and a sense of humour. They are the team to watch this series
Amanda
Amanda McIntosh, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 06:14:01 (UTC)
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Hi Maxie:
Good to see you posting. Gawd, for a minute there I thought you were going to ask me if I could account for the K500 that was missing on my stint as Secretary of the Zambian Softball Association... ha! ha! No, seriously, those really were the days, weren't they. I don't think I have ever enjoyed anything as much as when I was involved in softball. (The kind you hit with a bat.. Mr. Green)
Hi Glennie:
Methinks thou dost have a crush on me, wot? Take 2 Cialis and discuss it with your missus. If that doesn't work, I have a 2X4 that may help to whack this nonsense out of you. I am definitely not coming to the Siavonga Reunion if you are there because my husband would be with me and he doesn't appreciate men who fly around in circles. :) SWARFEGA
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 04:21:06 (UTC)
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Robert
Woo Hoo! Just saw your link to the truth discussion. Fantastic! Off for a good fossik round. Love this stuff!!!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 03:48:40 (UTC)
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Tamm
Thank you for proving my point. Many beliefs people hold to be truths are merely their individual perceptions of the truth exactly like the concept of what is fair or not fair. Some people say a person is dead some people say their essence is alive elsewhere so for some they aren't really dead despite physical evidence to the contrary. Archimedes Principle can be held to be a truth but suppose some scientist disproved it or took it in a whole new direction. It happens in science all the time. There are so many obvious things - like wood is, well wood isn't it? I s'pose you can also say wood is just a word and the material is cellulose etc. etc. For some there's only ever one interpretation, one way of seeing things, for some there are many. Whatever works for each I say.
Control freak? My family says they don't see it, but who knows? I may well be in some ways. It's always interesting to examine whether something is true or not.
On to The Takkie Question
I always thought "takkie" but you can find both that and "tackie" as spellings. You don't turn up anything as a noun for either spelling in the online English Afrikaans and Afrikaans English dictionaries so maybe it's not an actual word in Afrikaans or doesn't derive from a noun?
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 03:43:18 (UTC)
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Bwana Worrill,
Thanks for that website. Isn't it amazing what a huge word that is hey?
So, any forecast for this weekend's semis in the NPC? Let me guess, you will place a your sheckels on Canterbury, but do you think they will win not only this nw/e but the next one as well? New Zealand rugby is great.
And that is the truth ek se!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 03:42:25 (UTC)
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Chris Tamm,
A very big subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth
Robert Worrill, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 03:21:05 (UTC)
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Helen, go here:
http://www.howtouniverse.com/ACH/tackie.htm
Robert Worrill, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 03:14:32 (UTC)
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Takkies, I think it is! And I know too, that when one was given the "takkie" you had to have done something really bad (at Convent, at least!) Wish I knew the origin of the word too. Here we call them sneakers.
Helen D'Cruz, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 01:58:16 (UTC)
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As a newcomer to your Message Board, may I say just how much I have enjoyed your deliberations over the past month or so.
It is great to see Linda is still in fine form. Last time I saw her was in 1977/1978 when she was Secretary and I was Vice Chairlady of the Zambian Softball Association. I hailed from Broken Hill and played for Bambis. What great days they were.....ahhhh!
My reason for intruding into your page, is to ask if anyone out there can settle a disute between a Zimbabwean friend of mine who resides in Scotland and myself.
What is the correct spelling of TAKKIES. I maintain it is the latter and he insists it is spelt TACKIES -- I hope I am right, I fear we are going to come to blows over this one.
More important still is, does anyone know the origin of the word? Neither of us have any idea, though it sounds to me as though it could have originated in South Africa,
Any help will be gratefully received.
To all those who are attending THE TYTHERINGTON TIYENDE (just up te road from me).....Have a memorable thrash, in Zambian Style.
Maxie.
Maxie Lindenberg, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 01:23:13 (UTC)
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PK Magee, about to win another bet:
"Still, what's true depends on perspective."
What is this supposed to mean? Is the truth not the truth anymore? I suppose when that famous chappie sat ion the bath and shouted "Eureka", that his theory was wrong because you were taking a shower?
"So I s'pose the only thing we can control is how fairly and pleasantly we choose to discuss things."
See what a control freak you really are? Again, what exactly does "fair" mean? I gues by your book, it means when someone says something that you don't agree with, that it is unfair?
What a strange notion.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 00:01:46 (UTC)
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If the sixty- five year old granny had beaten up the croc in England the Animal Rights Group would have fire-bombed her tent!
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 23:10:58 (UTC)
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OK Glen, since you said it, I dub thee: "A Good Manager of Half Truths." ;-)
Still, what's true depends on perspective. In the end we are often much like the blind men and the elephant. One person thinks their point is centrally important and someone else thinks its irrelephant. So I s'pose the only thing we can control is how fairly and pleasantly we choose to discuss things.
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 21:05:22 (UTC)
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Glen,
Sex is like a restuarant.
Sometimes you get good service,
Sometimes you get bad service,
Sometimes you get no service at all,
And most of the time you have to be happy with self-service!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 20:56:03 (UTC)
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You just gotta love it:
Old Golfers never die. They simply lose their balls.
The ads. for Viagra and Cialis etc. tell you that if you sustain a boner for more than 4 hours - see a Doctor.
If I did that, I'd be calling the Guiness Book of World Records.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 18:26:45 (UTC)
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Bob,
Good humour always has a bit of truth in it :
Man to doctor : "My wife Linda says I must see you, I've got no interest in sex."
Doctor: "Linda! Linda Hayes the sex fiend! Take two of these pills a tonight my boy, arrange to meet her at a Motel and come back and see me tomorrow."
Next day, man, his eyes glazed over in ecstasy, crawls into doc's office next day and says to Doc "Pills . . . . . fantastic. Absolutely F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C!"
Doc asks him "Geez, maybe I gave you too strong a dose. You haven't strained your back with that frisky woman have you?"
"Nope Doc, he says smiling "it's not my back, it's my wrist. She didn't turn up."
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 18:14:05 (UTC)
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Hot Hormones.
The local rec. club served as a venue for activities of all kinds including a weekly Bridge meet in the Main Lounge. This was popular among many of the more sedate female gentry.
The males of the species took the excusable action of retiring to the pub for the duration.
After a few toots one rather ancient guy decided that he would do a streak thru the lounge.
He took the precaution of pulling a bank cash bag over his head & set out on his trot among the trumping Mamas.
There was shock, pandemonium & dismay at this flashing exposure of the ancient & decrepit family jewellry, & the culprit made good his escape.
At a postmortem among the ladies, one of them made the remark, "I'll tell you something else, he is not a member of the Club."
Bill Hunt, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 18:12:21 (UTC)
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Woman to doctor : My husband says I must see you, I've got no interest in sex.
Doctor: Take two of these pills a day and come back in 2 weeks.
Woman bounces into doc's room 2 weeks later and says pills are fantastic, she's managed sex 3 times a night for the last 2 weeks.
Doc asks her what her husband thinks of this. She says "I don't know. I haven't been home yet".
Three old ladies on a bench at the retirment home are reminiscing. One describes with her hands the size of the cucumbers you could get for a penny in the old days. The other agrees and with her hands shows the size of 2 onions you could also get for a penny long ago. The third who is deaf says " I can't hear what you are saying but I remember the bloke you're talking about."
Female Golf terms:
Chipping : Time to get your nails done.
Double Bogie : Seeing Casablanca followed by African Queen
Good Lie : The weight shown on your drivers license.
Hole In One : Time for new pantyhose
Water Hazard : Giving the kids too much to drink before a road trip.
Wedge : Bathing suit that's too tight.
Iron : What guys need to learn to do to their own shirts.
Shaft : You watch the kids while he goes golfing
Tees : Putting on that Victoria's Secret Negligee
Greens : Lunch we eat when we'd really love a cheeseburger.
And lastly, a sign that was really (Truly) erected on a golf course:
Any person (Except players) caught collecting golf balls on this course will be prosecuted and have their balls removed.
Bob Gillies, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 16:36:51 (UTC)
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Desiree - I need to be very careful in admitting to some of my activities whilst in Bancroft 1963/64. I was a shift-boss at the mine for about a year before deciding that I was getting into a lot of trouble. Lets just put it this way – Bancroft, as you well know, was a "small" place and if you as much as sneezed everyone would know where and who it was that was about to catch a cold. After a few months living there, people got very suspicious about my habit of coming off the early morning shift at 3.00PM, staying in my overalls and gum boots, going out in my car and returning 30 minutes later with a "shorter" miner who took small shuffling steps; wore gum boots; overalls; hard hat; collar turned up; hands in pockets; dark glasses etc., etc., and we'd disappear into my single quarters for an hour or two.
On weekend social gatherings at the mine club, my male friends - most of whom were much naughtier than I ever was, would graciously dance with the same females we'd be sneaking off to our " plaisirs d'après-midi”. Of course it goes without saying that all these escapades were between single men and women. Ahem! Well, perhaps not ALL . . . . . . maybe there was the odd “indiscretion” (replace with the word “affair”) or two, but then all Copperbelt Towns of that era were just like “Peyton Place” . . . . .
A-a-a-a-ah, bring back those days! Nothing is as precious as a treasured memory. No wonder some of Linda Hayes’ postings on the board turn me on – and she only has to talk about the smell of hand cleaner to do it! Wow, what a woman!
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 16:27:43 (UTC)
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Linda.....that was me !!!!!.......nah......those flatdogs give me the creeps...just looking in their eyes is enough to steer clear....they are pure killing machines..........though must admit they are rather interesting to paint.........(not paint them but do a painting of them)
Here is a link to the latest on that brave lady and the croc
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065787%255E26462,00.html
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 16:03:23 (UTC)
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Tina - pretty safe bet to have won and I am surprised at Ted's lack of judgement at having accepted such a one sided bet. Doesn't he know, as obviously you do, that good managers solve/avoid problems or the dissemination of half truths by nipping them while they're still in the bud?
Dammit! You're right again!
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 15:35:29 (UTC)
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......Thieving Mongrels...!!!!!!!
What a horrible thing to do Artie, after all the hard work you do in helping preserve the memories of many people, someone does this....count me in too!!!
if I were Rhodesianfog....I'd be Afred..........very Afred.......
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 15:28:01 (UTC)
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The photos of Broken Hill/Kabwe evoked happy memories of my childhood days in the 70's! The fig tree is where we used to sing Christmas carols at night and hundreds of people would gather around it...glory days...thanks for the link to the site, Craig.
Helen D'Cruz, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 14:13:01 (UTC)
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Count me in Artie. Where's my 2X4, or 3.4 X 10 or whatever size it is supposed to be!! Hell hath no fury like a Kitwe bun on the warpath to catch those thieves.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 12:02:28 (UTC)
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Hiya all,
I would just like let you know how Sam is getting on with the Chipembele project. More news when I have more time, but hope that you enjoy her following message. over to Samantha. = )
Hullo chaps!
The fund raising has gone on brilliantly, we've raised heaps of cash and bought heaps of nice things for the schools like calculators, pens, pencils, art sets, everything under the sun.. footballs included! Mum has been a brilliant help, she made her 'should be world famous' pies and people gave donations to eat them (thats how it should go, PAY to eat the most amazing pies!).. my old schools have also helped out loads so its all going well.
Anyway.. thats it really, don't really know what Mum wanted me to write but anyway.. enjoy.
Jane Todd, Oman [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 12:00:00 (UTC)
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Craig & Arthur
Include me with the posse! (No, Johnny G, read that word again - carefully). How do we find out who Rhodesianfog is? Does anyone recognise the kids in the 1951 school photo? There might be a clue there.
Regards
Charles Cartmill, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 10:35:30 (UTC)
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Craig
Not bringing rope, they might steal that as well.
Only the elephant gun will do.
Arthur Steevens, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 09:06:00 (UTC)
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Arthur,
Thieving bastards! I have sent you an e-mail message. I'm getting a posse together. Bring rope.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 08:15:04 (UTC)
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Craig
Webshots Broken Hill - Kabwe
Nice photos, two of them are mine taken last year as we passed through, and most of the others pinched off the GNR.
Seems like nothing has changed since the old days.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 08:00:58 (UTC)
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A PS to the previous message.
I am now back in Perth for a week on holiday but return to Abu Dhabi on Friday in time to start the working week on Saturday - - yes, Saturday. The best thing is that when Monday comes you are already half way through the week. Ramadan starts on 15th October so that will be an interesting month and a new experience for me.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 07:14:22 (UTC)
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Desiree Van der Spuy
You must have missed the messages on 29 September when Johhny and I both talked about Bancroft.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 07:09:51 (UTC)
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Gary,
Very sad indeed if that's the case (or in any case, for that matter), but hold onto those memories.
Desiree Van der Spuy - nee Pretorius,
Speaking of no reply, I sent you an e-mail message yesterday. Did you receive it?
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 04:12:13 (UTC)
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Desiree Van der Spuy - nee Pretorius,
From 1957 to 1963. apart from my work with the Nchanga Mine I was employed by the the Northern Rhodesian Judiciary as an Under-Sherif for the Solwezi District. My job was the issuing of civil summons and executing writs of Fieri Facias, or seiezures of property to satisfy debts.
Bancroft was a a hot bed of deadbeats and the number of writs was a veritable goldmine for the the bailiff.
I played golf there and loved the course. The card for the golf course states " A ball landing in a Hippo footprint can be removed and dropped without penalty."
It was a very special place.
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 03:36:19 (UTC)
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Ali:
I just saw on the national news here that a 14ft croc was killed in Queensland, but not before it attacked a family camping in a tent. The mother woke up and saw it, grabbed her baby and took off. Unfortunately, her husband was not as quick and the croc attacked him. But then, out of nowhere, a 65 year old woman appeared and jumped on the croc's back and began to wrestle with it! She managed to get it off the man, apparently, but it bit her quite badly too. Quite a story! They said the woman was born in Kitwe, which doesn't surprise me at all. I think it is my auntie Edna. Can you substantiate the story, please? Oh okaaaay, I made the bit up about Kitwe, but the rest was on the news tonight. What a brave old lady. I bet she never needed a 2X4 for anything.
And now for something equally light and totally un-germane, unless you can see yourself in this situation. I heard on public radio today that the problem with fruit fly infestation on crops in California may show some improvement now that they are considering spraying the crops with female fruit fly pheromones (a.k.a. sexual scent produced by the females.) It apparently makes the males fly around in circles and renders them unable to mate. I was going to make a joke about seeing some GNR bwanas in an equally bamboozled state up at KPF frequently, but when I looked it up, apparently all females produce it, whether animal or human. That explains a lot to me now... grin.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 22:51:43 (UTC)
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Jane.
Firstly thank you all for your numerous phone calls, messages of sympathy and support. They are greatly appreciated by Dad and all the family. Bless you all!
I have been asked by some people for funeral details:
Jane will be cremated on Tuesday 16th October at 13.00 Hrs. at the Banbury Crematorium, Southam Road, Banbury, Osfordshire, UK. The undertakers are John & Maurice Humphris, 32 Albert Street, Banbury, Oxfordshire, OX16 5DG. Tel: (00 44) 1295 265424. E. Mail: jmhumphris@line one.net. Family flowers only but donations can be made to the National Dystonia Association via the undertakers whom have all the details. Her wish was that her ashes be returned to her homeland and scattered - the family will be making these arrangements in the future.
The feedback from the Coroner/Police so far, appears to indicate that Jane sadly did take her own life. They are still doing various blood & tissue sample tests to establish the exact cause but apparently she died very quickly and did not suffer. Her body has now been released to the undertakers today and we hope to be able to visit her in the Chapel of Rest on Thursday. We can only but wonder why, but only she can answer that question. Our comfort is knowing that she has left this earthly yoke and is now at peace alongside her mother. The family will always have comfort in their respective individual cherished memories of our Janey.
Gary & Family.
Gary Brassington, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 21:44:09 (UTC)
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Hi all,
Can't believe that there is not a soul in here from Bancroft (Chililabombwe - i.e. The Place of the Croaking Frogs!!!) C'mon. Give me a possitive reply!!! Please... What about going to school at Sacred Heart Convent in Chingola?? Time in Zambia 1958 (year I was born so don't remember much!!) To 1977. My parents were there till 1982. I have found various familiar names in the membership list but still no reply. Waiting in anticccccipation......! Desiree
Desiree Van der Spuy - nee Pretorius, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 20:45:39 (UTC)
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I won! I won! I won! And it was such an EASY bet!!!! I bet Ted that Tamm or Glennie would have to respond to my post within 2 hours and I got em both! Man if I could only fish that way! Now to spend my winnings.
Relevance..? Hu-mour, an alternate view...etc.
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 19:40:21 (UTC)
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Gary and family
Was shocked and saddened to hear about Jane,
our thoughts are with you at this sad time in your lives.
Lydia.
Lydia Beck, England [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 19:29:41 (UTC)
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Me too :)
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 19:27:29 (UTC)
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Doug,
I am. :)
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 19:00:40 (UTC)
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Ken - Tina is right again! (Dammit!) - but hang on . . . .
maybe we can throw in a curve, just for the sake of looking "on the other side" again . . . .
Quoting from page 11 of EABL's "Corporate Citizinship Report, 2004" :
"Kenya Breweries Ltd., (KBL) is Kenya's biggest taxpayer by a large margin and we have also been commended by the government for being the most efficient tax collector."
Now THAT'S something to be proud of and by George (or more correctly "by Jeremiah) he is the leader of the whole country on a glorious piss-up !
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 18:53:50 (UTC)
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PK Magee suggests we take a look at the EA Brewery website. Perhaps I missed it, but to what is this "germane" in the current thread?
There was a time when Northern Breweries brewed the finest beer in the Lion and Castle brands. I knew someone in a printing works who supplied beer bottle labels to Northern Breweries, and managed to get a dozen or so, large sheets of pre cut labels, and used them as wallpaper in my room. It looked just fine (if not a l tad garish) during the day, but with an almighty hangover, one could get a very strong urge to conduct a serious conversation with the folks below, using that big white telephone!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 18:48:06 (UTC)
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Its lighten up time again these were sent me by my buddy Gilly Frae Bonnie Scotland, to good to hoard. Johnny,
Edinburgh Festival jokes.
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The dodo died. Then Dodi died, Di died and Dando died... Dido must be shitting herself.
Colin & Fergus at the Pleasance
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> > > >>My parents are from Glasgow which means they're incredibly hard, but I was never smacked as a child ... well maybe one or two grams to get me to sleep at night. Susan Murray at the Underbelly
> > > >>
Is it fair to say that there'd be less litter in Britain if blind
people were given pointed sticks? Adam Bloom at the Pleasance
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My mum and dad are Scottish but they moved down to Wolverhampton when I was two, 'cause they wanted me to sound like a tw-t. Susan Murray at the Underbelly
> > > >>
I went to the airport to check in and they asked what I did because I looked like a terrorist. I said I was a comedian. They said, "Say somethingfunny then." I told them I had just graduated from flying school.
> Ahmed at C34
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> > > >>A lady with a clipboard stopped me in the street the other day. She said,"Can you spare a few minutes for cancer research?" I said,
"All right,
> but we're not going to get much done."
Jimmy Carr at the ICC
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I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.
Marcus Brigstocke at the Assembly Rooms
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Sleeping with prostitutes is like making your cat dance with you on its hindlegs. You know it's wrong, but you try to convince yourself that they're enjoying it as well. Scott Capurro at the Pleasance
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My dad's dying wish was to have his family around him. I can't help thinkinghe would have been better off with more oxygen. Jimmy Carr at the ICC
> > > >>
You have to remember all the trivia that your girlfriend tells
you, because eventually you get tested. She'll go: "What's my favourite flower?" And you murmur to yourself: "Shit, I wasn't listening ... Self-raising?"
AddyVan-Der-Borgh at the Assembly Rooms
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> > > >>The world is a dangerous place; only yesterday I went into Boots and punched someone in the face.
Jeremy Limb, at the Trap
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Cats have nine lives. Which makes them ideal for experimentation.
> Jimmy Carr
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My friend said to me: "You must be more American," so I went to have botox.
The surgeon said to me: "That's $8,000." I couldn't even look shocked.
> > > >>Shazia Mirza at the Pleasance
> > > >>
> > > >>I saw that show, 50 Things To Do Before You Die. I would have thought the obvious one was "Shout For Help". Mark Watson, Rhod Gilbert at theTron
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I went out with an Irish Catholic. Very frustrating. You can take the Girl out of Cork ..
. Markus Birdman at the Pod Deco
> > > >>Got a phone call today to do a gig at a fire station. Went along.
Turned out it was a bloody hoax.
Adrian Poynton at the Pleasance
> > > >>
> > > >>An American girl hit on me in a club and asked me to make her an Egyptian princess. So I threw a sheet over her head and told her to be quiet. Ahmed at C34
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> > > >>Walking down Princes Street, soaking up the atmosphere, I saw a big signthat said: "Bus tours, ten quid." So I thought I'd give it a try...
> What arip off. Ten quid to have a look round a bus! Seymour Mace at Cafe Royal
> > > >>
I like to go into the Body Shop and shout out really loud "I've already got>one!"
Norman Lovett at The Strand
> > > >>The right to bear arms is slightly less ludicrous than the right to armbears. Chris Addison at the Pleasant> >>
Ask people about God nowadays and they usually reply, "I'm not religious,but deep down, I'm a very spiritual person." What this phrase really means is: "I'm afraid of dying, but I can't be arsed going to church."
Colin Ramone at The Stand
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Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 17:59:45 (UTC)
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Ken
I venture to suggest here is one that could organize a pretty good piss up in a brewery. Have a look round the site. Quite interesting.
http://www.eabrew.com/management/kiereni.asp
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 17:43:59 (UTC)
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Apart from (probably) RSA, none. My observations, posted some time back, regarding the inability of Sub-Saharan countries to attain self-sufficiency un-aided, still ring true. Upi lo Bwana? Most, if not all of these countries, couldn't manage a piss-up in a Brewery.
Ken Fernie, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 17:05:46 (UTC)
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No matter what vilification Chris Tamm gets on this site, he is invariably right when he writes of the rampant corruption and blissful economic ignorance of the African elites.
Perhaps someone could name one sub-Saharan African country that is not a kleptocracy.
Robert Huntley, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 16:16:47 (UTC)
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I can remember The Zambian economy did alter after our then president Kaunda had run it into the ground, it had a phrase added to its vocabulary and that was The Bwana Will Provide which I believe is very much alive today. Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 07:11:28 (UTC)
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Some folk may be interested in reading about some fellow Land Cruiser Club of Southern Africa (LCCSA) members currently on a 4x4 trip to the source of the Zambezi in north western Zambia.
Their website ( at: http://home.telkomsa.net/anton/zambia.htm ) is updated daily with their progress.
They are currently 11 days into their trip.
Alan Tomlinson, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 05:30:22 (UTC)
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The Hazing Texan Northerner, provoking (thought):
To say nothing of the mumpara private-serctor lenders who take the risk of lending money to a country with a dismal credit history, but no current loan problems.
I did not read the article you are using to support your case, but the above statement is curious - are you (or the Economist) referring to private sector banks, or private sector corporations (e.g Boeing, Airbus etc.)? The former are answerable to Fed/State examiners, in addition to shareholders and depositors, and to my knowledge have not lent a dime to 3rd world poor nations since the mid 1980's. It was the Latin American debt problem that put paid to all dodgy sovereign loans. Now banks are careful to even extend short term trade credit. That kind of exposure draws all kinds of scrutiny. The private placement source has also dried up foir cross border stuff. The Boeings/Airbusses of the (First) world are by and large a different kettle of fish and are frequently dependent on foreign buyer credits in order to close deals for big ticket items. Shareholders in these entities keep a close eye on such exposure, as do the lending banks - again for reasons outlined above.
Then there is also the comparison of, say, Zambia with, say, Bangladesh. It might be fair to say that the Bangladeshis have a substantially better reputation when it comes to credit risk assessment and deserve to be treated differently.
But the largest 2 omissions from your posting (be it yours or those extracts from the Economist) are
1- What will be the "penalty" for debt forgiveness? (How do we prevent the spiral from starting all over again)
and
2- If the majority of taxpayers, people like you and I, were to have a better understanding of the process, John Q. Public would never agree to the forgiveness concept. And indeed, why should we?
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 04:21:58 (UTC)
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A message to those who have lost a Loved One.
Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there
I do not sleep
I am a thousand winds that blow
I am the diamond glints on snow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain
I am the gentle autumn rain
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
of quiet birds in circled flight
I am the soft stars that shine at night
Do not stand at my grave and cry
I am not there
I did not die
Mary Frye
Our thoughts are with you,
Ron & Veronica
Ron Clibborn-Dyer, China [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 03:03:51 (UTC)
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Oxford and Cambridge on the Zambezi
Well if I find out who won I'll shout hippo! hippo! hooray!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 02:32:41 (UTC)
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Shirley Hinton & Family
My deepest sympathy to you all as you mourn the loss of Terry. I have very happy memories of the years I worked at TG Travel and will always remember the kindness and support Terry gave me. My thoughts and prayers are with you all at this very sad time. Love Sandra
Gary, Alan & Families
Please accept my heartfelt sympathy on the passing of Jane.
We had some really good times in Kitwe and those memories will live on forever. Love Sandra
Sandra Hooper, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 00:24:26 (UTC)
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Ali - it was on BBC24 News channel
Doug Waybush, England [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 00:19:35 (UTC)
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Doug do you have the link ??
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 23:45:16 (UTC)
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Oxford vs Cambridge in a boat race on the Zambezi last weekend ........ great photos on BBC of hippo faces watching the activities !!
Doug Waybush, England [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 23:35:12 (UTC)
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Artie....is that the reason why the chook crossed the road ???
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 23:21:46 (UTC)
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Artie...Thanks for your interesting Link....my views regarding Aids...is no matter what, who, or how....it is the cure that will be more important in this world.
Glen etc..an interesting observation , when I posted my congrats re Wangari Maathai I was merely congratulating her winning of the Nobel Peace Prize and the reasons to why she won it....
...it didn't mean I beleive and want to quote everything she has to say..... :0)
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 22:42:46 (UTC)
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Ali
S'pose it all depends on who you believe. That will be influenced on where you live, what you see and your ready willingness to accept what you read as fact. That a monkey is capable of killing more people than CIA?
Which has the most "intelligence"? I reckon the monkey has a head start.
"The truth is out there"
But who is telling it?
It was all started off by a savage peck from a compound chicken.
Arthur Steevens, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 21:03:37 (UTC)
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Shirley Hinton & Family.
Shirley please accept my families & my personal heartfelt condolences on the recent sad loss of Terry. I remember Terry well from the old Kitwe days. Our thoughts are with you all.
To all the many friends on the GNR!
On behalf of myself and the family please accept our thanks and appreciation for all the messages of sympathy posted, the numerous telephone calls from so many wonderful people (too many to mention) worldwide. Your kindness has been a great comfort to all the family. Thank you and God bless one and all.
Gary & Family.
Gary Brassington, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 21:02:50 (UTC)
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Gary & Family
I did not know your sister but let me also add sincere condolences. It is a shame to die so young.
Best Regards - Doug
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 21:00:54 (UTC)
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The Late John Smith was an Honourable man..unlike his successor!
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 20:51:36 (UTC)
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Glen,
Maybe the Kenyan lady is referring to a growing body of thought that suggests that the Aids virus may be been man-made. Both Aids and Ebola seem to have their "origins" in Southern Zaire..during the period of Mobutu's rule...did he not allow germ testing on his territory in the early seventies? Since no cure has been found for Aids...more and more Scientists are thinking like the Nobel Prize winner! If it is man-made..there will be no cure! Only diseases of nature are curable!
Try reading: "Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola:Natural/Accidental or Intentional" by W.John Martin (Forward) and L. Horowitz(available from Amazon.com)
and see:
http:/www.whatreallyhappened.com/aids3.html
for a similar perspective from Senate hearings in the USA.
I think its too early to tell. Work still goes on to find a cure.I don't believe in theories of deliberate release of Germs by Governments(unless its a rogue one)..but accidents do happen.
Surely Monkeys are out of it as logic suggests that they were here on Earth for centuries...if they are carriers ....they have had contact with humans since donkeys years! And if you believe in evolution..we would all never have lived to see this World day!!!
Lets wait and see...at the last count..Aids is now on the increase in Europe,Asia,Far East,Eastern Europe (so bang goes the theory about afflicting only one Race) and is reaching catastrophic propotions in Southern Africa. Search goes on for a cure. Lets hope its a disease of Nature!
In the meantime stick to one woman...
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 20:49:40 (UTC)
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Colin
‘ John Smith, erstwhile Prime Minster of the UK’
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John Smith was only the leader of the Labour Party .He was never the Prime Minister
I have seen his grave on Iona.He was deeply religious and I think this is why he wanted to be buried there.
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 19:44:54 (UTC)
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Gary and all the Brassington Family
So sorry to hear your sad news.
Please accept my sincere condolences
Arthur
Arthur Steevens, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 19:41:05 (UTC)
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Gary and family
So sorry to read your sad news..... our love and thoughts are with you at this sad time.
Love
Moira and Glenda
Glenda Fenwick, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 18:32:46 (UTC)
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Glen
Oh no, not another one!
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 18:15:36 (UTC)
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The Texas hazer:
Tamm:
Since you seem to want to correct me about something as irrelevant as the dimensions of my fictitional piece of wood used to kluppe mumparas, I was wondering if you could enlighten me about this, please? When using the conversational phrase, "you are as thick as two short planks," what would those dimensions be?
Mmmm, I shall have to think about that one, and will revert in due course. A very good question mind you, coming from a Texan with displaced Northern roots. But seeing as you might be an expert in this matter, perhaps 2 short planks will not be as long (either individually or in the aggregate) as being as thick as 20 folded blankets?
How was your ride to hossie on Saturday? I thought you were so angry that you could have caused yourself irrepairable bodily harm with your Bic razor!
Have a great week.
Chris Tamm, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 18:12:40 (UTC)
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Ali,
Your Friday, October 8, 2004 at 10:08:18 congratulatory posting on Ms. Maathia of Kenya is perhaps incomplete without mention of her prejudice. While I am almost positive she will GLADLY accept her award (which comes with one point three million US-dollar prize money - yes, USD$1,300,000.00) which will be bestowed on her in Oslo on 10 December, it is only fair that we know just a little bit more about this 64 year old *"Professor".
After reading the abbreviated news reports which follow, I think you would understand Chris Tamm if he were to comment . . . . *"Oh no, not another one!" :
Nairobi, Kenya (PANA) - Kenyan environmentalist and human rights activist Wangari Maathai has won the Nobel Peace Prize for 2004, becoming the first African woman to be awarded the prestigious prize created in 1901.
The Oslo Committee said she combined science with social
engagement and politics and worked both locally and
internationally. Maathai joins other Africa peace laureates, such as UN Secretary General Kofi Annan from Ghana (2001), former South African President Nelson Mandela (1993), Desmond Tutu, former Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, South Africa (1984) and Albert John Luthuli also of South Africa (1960).
and . . . . . . . . .
Kenyan Wangari Maathai has become the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize. (AFP)
"Some say that AIDS came from the monkeys, and I doubt that because we have been living with monkeys (since) time immemorial, others say it was a curse from God, but I say it cannot be that."
"Why has there been so much secrecy about AIDS? When you ask where did the virus come from, it raises a lot of flags. That makes me suspicious," Ms Maathai said.
"In fact it (the HIV virus) is created by a scientist for biological warfare," she added.
She said "HIV/AIDS was invented as a bio-weapon in some laboratory in the West," a senior State Department official said.
The official pointed to a report of those comments published in August in Kenya's daily Standard newspaper, in which Ms Maathai was quoted as saying that HIV/AIDS was created by scientists for the purpose of mass extermination.
Glen Drake, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 18:04:39 (UTC)
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Does anyone know whatever happened to Yvonne Woolf? Daughter of Ron Woolf who was also in the travel business, I believe. I heard she was in KZN South Africa, but that was about 18 years ago.
Sincere condolences to Gary and family.
Jill
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 17:16:48 (UTC)
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Gary, I am sorry to hear of the passing of Jane. I remember her well ( also the others). My deepest sympathy to yourself and family. I might be able to see you when I am in Uk in December and we can catch up. I will let you know. Best regards and condolences from myself and family.
Bob Gillies, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 16:37:41 (UTC)
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To Gary and family,
words cannot express my sympathy for you all.
Gary, I`ll ring you in a few days and we`ll have a chat.
Take care
Des Kenny, England [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 16:00:54 (UTC)
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Dear Gary and Family,
Please accept my heartfelt sympathies to you and all the family. I am in shock to hear the sad news. I still will have the memories of the time we all spent in Zambia.
I will be thinking of you all in your time of sadness.
Carl
Carl Paterson, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 12:40:42 (UTC)
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Paudie has sent a private message to Gary and his family on behalf of both of us.
Sincere condolences must also go to Shirley, Andrew, Julie and Michael Hinton on the death of your husband and father.
I am sure my family and I (like many others in Kitwe) did business with Terry over the years, because of our frequent trips to and from Zambia.
On behalf of all of us, please accept our deepest sympathy.
Sue Coughlan (formally Forde)
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 09:48:56 (UTC)
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To Dear Gary, and family deepest sympathy on your loss , Thinking of you at this sad time
Ali
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 08:51:21 (UTC)
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To: Gary and Family
Please accept my very sincere condolences.
June
June Dobson, New Zealand [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 08:26:32 (UTC)
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Dear Gary and Family.
Please accept our most heartfelt sympathy's, we know what you are going through.
Peter lost his brother a year ago so un-expectdly. I will keep you all in my thoughts,
Lots of Love
Wima and Peter
Wilma Wall, Netherlands [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 07:25:47 (UTC)
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Is there any one who is going to the Bristol bash travelling down from the North who could give me a lift from either Scarborough or York which ever woul'd be convenient Woul'd share petrol costs? Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 07:13:57 (UTC)
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Gary, Natasha, and Scott deepest sympathy on your loss Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 07:08:50 (UTC)
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Gary and family,
So sorry for all of you. My condolences.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 05:31:53 (UTC)
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To Gary Brassington and Family:
So sorry to read of Jane's passing. I have very fond memories of her from when we were small children and the time we spent playing together.
Love and deepset condolences,
Mo xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
Moira Steevens, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 04:54:09 (UTC)
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For those who knew Terry Hinton, formerly of TG Travel in Kitwe, I am sad to relay the news of Terry's passing on Saturday, October 9, 2004.
You were a special part of my life, Terry. You made me laugh, and were a shoulder for me when I cried. Most of all, you encouraged me to take that step into the unknown and come to America when I knew nobody.
Shirley and family, my heartfelt condolences to you. You are in my prayers.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 04:13:31 (UTC)
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To my most precious friends, Gary, Alan and the Brassington family, we send to you our condolences and prayers for comfort and strength as you mourn the passing of Jane.
Linda, Mike, Chris and Tim Hayes
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 04:04:59 (UTC)
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Gary, Allyson, Laura, Alan, Deborah, Victoria, Natasha, Scott & James - our most heartfelt condolences to you.
Our love and prayers are with you,
Ted, Tina and Chris
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 03:18:42 (UTC)
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BRASSINGTON JANE ... 1955- 2004.
It is with great pain in our hearts that we report the sudden & unexplained passing on of our loved daugther (to Ron), sister of Allyson, Gary, twin of Laura and Alan, Aunt of Deborah, Victoria, Natasha, Scott & James. The Lord took her from us unexpectedly on Sunday 11 October.
Our lives will always have that gap she has left in our mortal time in this world, but our comfort is knowing that she left behind dear and cherished memories of a kind, gentle & compassionate person whom always put others before herself. Rest in peace dear Jane - we will meet again in another world at another time. Our comfort is knowing that you are now at peace with our dearley departed & loved mother Yvonne (Von).
Gary, Natasha & Scott.
Gary Brassington, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 02:56:06 (UTC)
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Re the recent postings on the expansion of fish farming in Zambia, I am unaware if there is a similiar interest in floraculture for export to European destinations as I am led to believe some countries, ( Uganda?), are getting as much as 7% of their GNP from such enterprises. I recall seeing jumbo jets from New Zealand arriving on a twice weekly basis at Nice in the eighties with flowers (plants?) from New Zealand, discharging half the cargo en route to Holland with the remainder; surely in airfreight alone the costs from Wellington must be a helluva lot more than from Lusaka.
DOUG: As you will be unaware of, we are now suffering under the joke of six tiers of "government" in Scotland; ie; Community, District, Regional, Scottish,Westminster and European, one on top the other which is, if nothing else, the principle of our democratic state gone insane. As you will imagine it is increasingly difficult to get anything done or ratified without recourse to one or the other's specifications on the matter. Regarding our three years late, ten times over budget, rediculous farce in Edinburgh called a " Parliament" I just don't know what to say in words of apology other than that it all stems from John Smith, erstwhile Prime Mininster of the UK till he died of a heart attack, and had the audacity to be buried in the sacred island of I, long time resting place of our Scottish kings. Wow!
Sorry to harp on about a cold posting (six months ago) regarding the yield and financial return per acre on the then tobacco figures in Zambia. I have since learned that 20% of the Malawi tobacco crop is being sold in Zambia as the price is more than twice (nett) as high as that in Malawi. ( 90 to 40 ) The nett figure, in Malawi, must be less a tax at source, which does not apply in Zambia, hence the incentive to smuggle the crop for sale in Zambia. As I don't know the relative production figures in Malawi, it would be impossible for me to know if this made any appreciable difference to the yield/price per acre in Zambia which was "very acceptable" as we agreed at the time. Regards Colin.
Colin Munro, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, October 11, 2004 at 01:50:29 (UTC)
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Donald cancel my application for a lift with you I did not read your details I live in Yorkshire and you live in Bristol it wuld be a complicated lift for you Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 23:40:44 (UTC)
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I will be going to the Tytherington Bash on the 27th November, but as I have to work on that day I will be going straight from work. I work in the Aztec West, Almondsbury area and will be leaving at about 17:15. As I am driving I will only be partaking of soft drinks. I have room for 4 in my car all with three point seat belts, so if anyone wants to have a few nips and not worry about driving then I will be glad to give a free lift to and from the bash. First come, first served. Please use the contact on the GNR and I will reply the same way if you want me to.
Syd
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 21:50:56 (UTC)
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Johnny
You're missing a huge point here.
A person who is playful and unembarrassed with internet friends and families is quite likely to be full of fun and uninhibited in the bedroom too.
Long live the funlovers of which there are obviously lots on the GNR!
Poems
I fished in the Kafue
My lures flashed in the light.
The gaily tasselled hooks
Made all the fishes fight.
I cast my lure another time
And told another tale.
I hooked two bouncing beauties!
....But I'm writing this ...from jail.
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 21:03:40 (UTC)
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Donald the very mention of King Klip sent me into paroxyms of imagination and dribbling of the mouth, it must be now 15 years since I last tasted it but I think it surpassed the taste of Yellow Bellies, and Vundoo which I used to scoff on a regular basis, OH to be in Cape Town when the kingy's are running. Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 20:44:19 (UTC)
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Bwana Grins:
By the way, talking about lampshades, fishbowls, paper bags, and lack of brain molecules, wasn't that you I almost thought was my sexy former boyfriend when you walked into the pub in Banbury with the wig of flowing black hair and glued on black droopy moustache. You looked just like the handsome stud I remembered from 25 years ago after my two Bacardis and cokes. It's a good job someone poked me in the ribs and reminded me to pull myself together in public. Now THAT is what I would call living dangerously... grin. Looking forward to buying you a drink or six in November.
(Apologies to my sexy former boyfriend for confusing the faux with the one and only genuine article, but as you know, everyone looks better after a couple of drinks.. grin)
Tamm:
Since you seem to want to correct me about something as irrelevant as the dimensions of my fictitional piece of wood used to kluppe mumparas, I was wondering if you could enlighten me about this, please? When using the conversational phrase, "you are as thick as two short planks," what would those dimensions be?
Doug:
I read an article in the Economist this week (yes, I really can discuss something other than 2X4s... grin) that I thought you would find interesting. It addressed the question, "Should poor countries' debts all be written off?" The debate is whether they should be written off for ALL poor countries or just HIPC's (Heavily Indebted Poor Countries.) Since 1996 the HIPC programme has worked towards getting the debts of 38 heavily-indebted poor countries to "sustainable" levels. The bulk of these countries are in Africa. The article states that more than half of the total HIPC debt stock has been written off, saving the borrowers $900 million a year in debt-service payments. Yet many HIPCs still have unsustainable debts. Banks point out that eliminating HIPC debt would reduce their soft-loan fund's capital base by 25% in present value terms and hence their future capacity to lend to the poorest countries. Soft loans have a 10 year grace period but the reality is that most HIPCs will not be able to resume debt repayment after the grace period anyway.
Now the UK and the US are touting rival plans to rub out the debts entirely. America wants to write off the debts of HIPC countries, and switch to grants. The problem with that is that if the debt is cancelled, there is no money flowing back into the coffers to be used for loans to other poor countries later. The UK is offering more cash and wants more countries to get help. They also want the goal to be debt relief of up to 100% for ALL poor countries, not just those that are deemed to be heavily in debt. Gordon Brown, the chancellor of the exchequer said that "to lead by example" Britain would pay its share (10%) of the debt service owed by poor countries to the World Bank and the African Development Bank. However, their argument is why should a country like Uganda (and I would assume Zambia would fall into the same category?) have its debt cancelled, but not Bangladesh, a poor country too, but one that has managed its debts more competently?
Debt cancellation raises the concern that those poor and heavily-indebted countries will just turn around and apply for another loan they cannot repay. To say nothing of the mumpara private-serctor lenders who take the risk of lending money to a country with a dismal credit history, but no current loan problems. Another possible cause for concern is the loss of "conditionality." If debt is wiped out, then the World Bank and IMF really can't have much say in what goes on in a country. But if you look at this from the other side of the coin, what good does this conditionality do if the World Bank keeps lending money when the country cannot repay it anyway!
Thought provoking, not so?
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 20:40:01 (UTC)
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Lunatic asylum???
In Britian they would be sent back out onto the streets.
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 20:15:49 (UTC)
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I had never been a great lover of fish as I can remember the fish & potato pie's my mother made when I was a kid. I hated them. As a member of the 13th Ndola Boy Scouts, I went on a camp to Kariba with a number of the other scouts. A bit of fishing was done as we were been taught how to live off the land. I was in luck as I caught three fish, two of which were so small they were sent back to do a bit of growing. The third fish was a good size bream which I gutted and was about to cook in a frying pan over a fire. I was not going to eat it as I hated fish, but was going to give it to one of the others. The scout master said no, no, no. there are no frying pans in the bush, you will have to cook it some other way. That’s when I remembered an old friend of my fathers talking about cooking fish in clay or mud. There was a bit of clay type mud near the camp site, so that’s what I used. I coated the bream with the mud and put it into the fire covering it with hot coals. After about 10 - 15 mins I raked it out and broke the mud off it. I was about to offer it to anyone who wanted to try it when the smell hit me. I thought better of what I was about to do and tried it myself, just a small bit. Then a bit more and more until it was all gone. I changed my thoughts about fish that day and enjoy fish often now. Fresh fish straight from the boats in Cornwall, or grilled King Klip in Natal, whenever I can get there. But I still can not face fish & potato pie.
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 20:09:14 (UTC)
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Barbara Walters
Barbara Walters of 20/20 did a story on gender roles in Kabul several years before the Afghan conflict. She noted that women customarily walked about 5 paces behind their husbands.
She returned to Kabul recently and observed that women still walk behind their husbands, but now seem to walk even further back and are happy with the old custom.
Ms. Walters approached one of the Afghani women and asked, "Why do you now seem happy with the old custom that you used to try and change?"
"Land mines," said the woman.
BEHIND EVERY MAN IS A SMART WOMAN.
Peter Dielissen, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, October 10, 2004 at 19:53:02 (UTC)
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