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Having finished a monumental 20hr journey to get back to Texas in time to celebrate my son's 17th birthday straight off the plane last night, I am knackered to the max today. After a few hours sleep, had to report for duty at work this morning. Would much rather have been drinking a spot of English tea at Fiona's.
Fiona, David and my new daughter, Lizzie (a.k.a. Super Star):
Thank you SO MUCH for your generous hospitality! I miss you guys tremendously already. David, you are one in a million for all the hard work you did for people you don't even know. Lizzie, what can I say. I fell in love with you and wish I had a daughter like you. What a beautiful and special young lady. Fiona, thank you so much for what you did for me. I will remember your kindness for a long time to come.
Kevin Shone:
I owe you BIG TIME, my buddy. You drove me half way around the UK, twice!! That is friendship, and you are very much appreciated.
Graham Longstaff:
Several ladies are asking for your phone number. You were a big hit and I am glad you made the effort to come and see us. You have come a long way from the spotty younger brother of my best friend 30 years ago!
The Robbins Family:
I am so glad we got to meet and talk. Ollie is an incredible young man and I see him going places with his film making talents. I plan to take his documentary to my son's school and I hope they show it to the whole school. Well done!
Des Kenny:
Don't know if the word has reached you yet, but I am limping along with bruised ribs at the moment. You may not remember giving me a bear hug at the party on Saturday night, but I got bruised ribs in the process. Well worth it, though!
Pappy and Shirley
I stand in awe of you, Paps. Never have I seen anyone consume so much alcohol for such a sustained period and yet remain on his feet!
To all the others that I met and talked to, you are wonderful people and it was lovely to put names to faces and get to know you a bit better.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 23:53:22 (UTC)
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Thanks to everyone for their kind comments. I'm so glad you all enjoyed it so much - makes it all so worthwhile. It was exceptionally hard work, which I made harder for myself by having the kitchen redone before the party, and I am incredibly grateful to my friends Linda Hayes and Kevin Shone and also to my family (especially Liz, my daughter) who gave me so much help. I have to say that I was so knocked out the following morning that I could do little more than watch as they put my house back together again!
It was also lovely to meet lots of people I hadn't met before, including the Kenwards, the Robbbins family and Graham Longstaff. I think I had met all the rest before but if I've left you out it's because I'm still looking like a stunned mullet after all that partying! Basically, it was four days in a row, starting with the pub on Thursday night and continuing to lunch (another pub!) with the stragglers on Sunday so it's hardly surprising my poor liver is about to give up the ghost!
It was also lovely to see the Brasso family who decided to come at the last moment. They didn't seem to mind crashing on the lounge floor amidst all the party mess! They also helped to clear up afterwards.
There were a couple of stallwarts, namely my brother and Moi Moo Fenwick, who played around on Sunday morning. Oops! Sorry, played A ROUND (of golf!).
The food seemed to be a great success so thanks to Pappy, David and John for their help with the braaiing.
I said goodbye to my last visitor, Tina, at 5 am this morning when I dropped her off at the station. It all seems so quiet now.
Once again, thanks to everyone for coming and helping to make it such a success.
P.S. I think the final tally was about 35 people (but it felt like 135!)
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 14:33:19 (UTC)
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Ian Meyrick, Finella Webber, Norman Kenward, Linda Papier, Philip Dacre, Briuce Henley
Best wishes on your birthday
THE TIYENDE
Northerners
I know you are all waiting for these, so have done the best I could in the short time that I have this afternoon. And now to see how good my memory is at putting names to faces. Correct me if I am wrong and please fill in the blanks
These from Johnny Green:
Tina, Linda and Fiona
Pappy, two half hidden faces, don't know, Fiona, Kevin, Linda, Shirley (?), Johnny
?, Shirley, Kevin, Pappy, ?, Linda, Tina
Pappy and Shirley
Natasha Brassington
Johnny, Shirley, Pappy
?, Fiona and Graham Wall
Tina, ?, Kevin, Fiona
Scott Brassington, Fiona, Shirley, Pappy
Kevin Shone
Is this Diane Sewley and Adrian Mooy?
?, Scott, ?
These from Fiona Wall:
Linda and Gary Brassington
Moira Fenwick and Brasso
Moira and Glenda Fenwick, Graham and Fiona Wall
Fiona Wall, Kevin, Tina
Everyone
Graham and Fiona Wall
But I have a bone or two to pick with the organisers. Why does everyone organise their bashes around my monthly deadline? If it had been a week (or two weeks) earlier, I would have been able to attend. Who arranged the T-shirts and has forgotten the spelling of Tiyende?
David Gray has also kindly sent me the following
I see that Skatie Fourie posted a write-up on the GNR about the Flame Lily Foundation and the various get togethers enjoyed by members and GNRers. The last one was a braai on the 20th of November 2004. The picture below was taken by Mini McAlpine of those present who attended the Frederick Knapp School during the 40s and 50s. As you can see some of us are looking a little the worse for wear!
Those shown in the picture are:
Top row - Skatie Fourie and Denis Galotti
Middle row - Bets McCullam, Mrs. Ingram, Joan Leck (Ingram), Cecelia Codriac (Mostert), Marian Herring (Meyer)
Front row - Charley Crowther, Neville Leck, Darryl Leck, Ronnie deKock and David Gray.
Being only partially computer literate I don't know what format the picture is in and whether it lends itself to posting on the GNR. If it is possible to post this then please do us the honour! I have Mini's blessing to use her picture.
Thanks to all for taking the time to send us the photos for posting.
Keith Binns
What about you organise the first Middle-East bash?
Heather Chalcraft, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 14:27:46 (UTC)
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I have just been reading Phillip Pain's description of the mine pool in Kitwe (June 2003). Even though I am a bit younger than him it certainly did bring back many happy memories! It seems that the routine did not change and we all experienced the same fun & excitement during summer (did it really last forever?)! Also, talking of the Kafue River at the end of Central Street also brings many memories flooding back. My brother Billy (no Angel, as anyone who remembers him will know) and a group of his friends were playing on the banks of the Kafue and throwing stones at a beehive! The inevitable happened and a stone knocked the beehive off of the tree and the bees swarmed. My folks would no doubt never have been aware of what had happened except that a friend of theirs came to the house to see if Billy was alright. It seems the gent had been driving along Central Street and Billy rushed past him (on foot)! This kid, who was actually quite a toughie, was in such a hurry to escape the swarming bees he must have set a new 'land speed record'. Tragically, Bill was shot and killed in a hijacking in 2001, but I know he would have loved this site.
June Ross, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 13:49:09 (UTC)
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For all and sundry. The Zambian reunion which was held in the Bristol area last Saturday, 27/11/04, was not just a resounding success and a party to remember, but a gathering of people who were warm, open, friendly and a total pleasure to be with. They are indicative of the people of Africa of the time, who openly embrace those from outside, as well as inside the community we once shared, regardless of the place they hailed from. To all those who think these gatherings are a load of c**p, think again! Get motivated and support whoever hosts them. To Fiona, never mind, words are not good enough to say thanks.
Graham Longstaff.
Graham Longstaff, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 12:00:24 (UTC)
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I was Sheila Duncan and lived in Chingola mainly, until 5th year of school, when I went to Boarding School in JHB.
Would like to know whereabouts of Phillip Van Der Byl who was our neighbour in Kubundi.
Also Shaina Roberts
Elspeth Young (sister Penny I think)
Phillip Chirwa (Mother Annie was our housegirl)
If anyone is living in the vicinity of Kubundi, Chingola,
I would give my eye teeth for a photo of Gardenia Street - I can't remember the number of the house, about 5 houses down I think, and a photo of the town of Chingola as it is now.
Thanks a million.
Sheila.
Sheila Moran, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 01:26:11 (UTC)
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Norman K,
Congrats on reaching 72 and... surviving the Bash.
I made sure I did not think one electronic synapse all weekend of you all as I was consumed by green monster, but it sounded muhle.
Norman, watch out as you wind the "E' type up to more than 50 kph..... you are now old and cannot see, your eyes are dim, and etc.
Bill
William Knott, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 01:23:53 (UTC)
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To Fiona, Linda, Tina and everyone at the Tiyende we would like to thank you all for making us most welcome.
To be honest, we had reservations about going as we thought we might not know anyone. This doubt was all brushed aside within minutes of our arrival. We were made most welcome - a Castle lager was thrust into the one hand and a Steak, together with Boerewors in the other! What better welcome could anyone expect ?
Before long we were chatting and reminiscing about the good old days.
It was great to be able to put faces to the many contributors to the G.N.R. People such as Johnny, Syd,
Gary, Barry, Dave and most important of all - the ladies - Fiona, Linda, Tina and their families.
To each and everyone many many thanks for a memorable evening................ here's to the next one!
Catherine and Norman K.
Guess what! It's Tuesday 30 November 2004
My BIRTHDAY!!!! 72 and still at it. The beer I mean!!!!
Norman Kenward, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 00:06:39 (UTC)
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Thanks fellow Tyendes for a first rate tonk, Fiona and Dave will be cleaning up for the next few weeks, we should have one of those every month and what a great laugh we had round the table in the local pub on the friday night and to one generous by stander from Lincolnshire who insisted on buying a round, for all the nearest he had been to Africa was Cornwall a nice guy by the name of Eamon.
To all the girls I proposed to most of you will not remember any way, All of you Shalla Neepo, Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 19:21:41 (UTC)
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Fiona,David,
Thanks for the hospitality,Liz,you can keep Shania Twain as a thank you,you are a star,please give my thanks to Laural and Bob,the B&B was great.
The rest of you what can I say,can WE party or what,out of interest how many members do we have in Scotland?
Kevin,Skipper,Garry and Grahame lets get together and sample some whiskies some time,all i can say is tyende to the next one.
Pappy Papier, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 18:29:52 (UTC)
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I notice on the BBC News website that a little spat has broken out between Thabo Mbeki and Archbishop Tutu.
What amuses me is a reference to Robert Mugabe and a similar row with Tutu. The website says.....
"In May, Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe called Archbishop Tutu "an angry, evil and embittered little bishop" after the Nobel Peace Prize winner likened Mr Mugabe to an archetypal African dictator."
Talk about throwing stones in glass houses!
John Evans
John Evans, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 17:56:37 (UTC)
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Sorry - NIECE!
I know - 'i' before 'e' except after 'c'....
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 16:51:45 (UTC)
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Hi all your tired Tytherington-ers,
Sounds like you all had a hell of a lot of fun. Well done Fiona, her family and another Kitwe Bun, Linda - not forgetting the Lusaka Bun, Tina. Looking forward to the video (what a treat!) and the photos.
I would like to encourage my neice Kim Elizabeth Forde, who was born in Kitwe (mid-60's) to my brother Dennis and his wife Doris, to become a GNR-er.
Come on Kimbo, register - you never know who you will connect with here.
If anyone remembers Kim, please post a message.
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 16:49:48 (UTC)
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Just want to add my thanks to Fiona and all involved in the Tytherington Tiyende - the Robbins family (ex-Ndola)certainly had a great time (even though we had to creep out while the party was in full swing). The food & company were superb. It was wonderful to meet so many of the message board regulars and put faces to names.
My son Ollie and I took some video footage whilst at the Tyendi and will probably edit it down to a 3 - 5 minute 'taster' of the event. Craig/Heather, if I produce a suitably compressed version of it, what are the chances of having it available for download or streaming from GNR? It would allow those who couldn't go to the Tyendi an opportunity to see what these events are all about!
Let me know if that would be possible.
Thanks again Fiona.
Looking forward to the next one!
Barry Robbins, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 16:33:22 (UTC)
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All this talk about not being able to hold the camera straight and the need
for tripods and other such nonsense, how about this one? Taken a week or so
ago in Lincolnshire, a spectacular sunset (yes, we DO have them in UK too
although not seen as often as in Z). I reckon I had the camera at the
correct angle, but what can one do about cock-eyed lamp posts?
Cheers
Liz Downing
PS Will be in Zam in less than two weeks - can't wait!
Heather Chalcraft, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 12:59:46 (UTC)
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BBC Prime 'No Going Back' featuring the London couple in Zambia was the previous Friday! Sorry you missed it, it was worth seeing.
I have made contact with some friends from my youth and am enjoying being a member of GNR. I have so many happy memories which had been tucked away for way too long! Thanks again for the great site.
June Ross, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 12:25:13 (UTC)
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The Tytherington Bash.
Reading all your comments you guys must have had a great time, good on you.
I can imagine what it was like with all you lot getting together!!!
Nicky Kontou, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 10:56:07 (UTC)
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Many Happy returns of the day to dear Lynn Fielder nee' Clark, hope you have a smashing time, kick up your heels and enjoy your self, I will be toasting you a drink on your birthday 29/11/04 - cheers, Christina Dillon.
Christina Dillon, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 10:26:28 (UTC)
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We are back home in sunny Wales, thanks for a lovely 'Tytherington Bash' great to meet up with everyone again. Special thanks to Fiona Gayther to allow us all to destroy her home, I assume rebuilding commences soon!!
Keith Binns
As an ex Sand Dweller to my knowledge there has not been a reunion organised in the Middle East.
Tina and Linda
Safe home, great to see you both, still impressed at Tina for her 'staying power' (leaping off a plane and straight into party mode) although the staring episode at the blank wall was noticed by me! (smile).
Thanks again Fiona for a fab time.
Graham and Fiona Wall, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 29, 2004 at 10:15:59 (UTC)
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We are safely back @ home & posting under my own sign in. Fiona, Dave & Family a very big thank you for your superb hospitality and a brilliant weekend. We thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.To Kevin, Linda, Tina, Moo Moo, Glenda, John, Graham & Fiona, Pappy & Shirley, Dianne, Etc. and all those others attending good to see you all again and yes what great company you all were. Thanks all for a superb weekend.
Brasso.
Gary Brassington, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 22:22:11 (UTC)
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A summary on events in the Cape Peninsula
Hi everyone, we have ended our year with a fabulous grand finale, a Northern / Southern Rhodesian braai, then rushed home to painfully watch the Springboks ‘botch’ a good day.
The Flame Lily Foundation has grown since it’s reintroduction in the Cape by our select chairman Lewis Walter, we set ourselves a target 3 years ago to grow our membership and committee to enable our Foundation to help Rhodesians in need.
We are based in Fish Hoek, our first function was at the West Lake Golf Club, our Rhodes and Founders Fund Raiser Lunch.
The second and the third year we stepped on board the museum ship the Cable Restorer moored in Simon’s Town.
We had no need to advertise for the 3rd Lunch, the imaginary jungle drums broadcast the news. It was sold out a month ahead of time, that alone speaks for it self in the manner we have bonded.
We hosted an average of 116 per function, all told 349 happy souls.
The Copperbelt Reunion Fund Raiser braai, had a different atmosphere, former Frederick Knapp School buddies came from a far, George Myburgh from Witbank, Charley Crowther from Edenvale, John Robbertze from Johannesburg , Lucille Cooke (Ball) from George, then from behind the biltong line ( our Northern suburbs) David and Anne Gray, Ronnie and Joan West , Martin Louw and Billy McQuire,.
This year it was much the same at our lunch on board the popular museum ship, the
Cable Restorer. Seating has been well laid out amongst the big cable winches etc, for the two functions, a total of 154 reminisced in what had been the very best years of our lives. Why not , when you share the company on Jim McCullum and his charming wife Dolly with Springbok rugby sons Ian and Roy.
Jim captained Nkana and Northern Rhodesia at soccer, and Lock Wylie and Rupert Burls ‘mkulu’ rugby ‘ bwana’s’ both earned national colours.
Our grand finale as mentioned attracted 85 in all.
Bringing together a blast from Frederick Knapp’s Schools past , Cecile Codriac ( Mostert), Charley Crowther, Bets McCullum, Ronnie de Kock, Dennis Galloti, David Gray, Marian Herring ( Meyer), Joan Leck ( Ingram), Neville Leck, Darryl Leck and Ronnie West. We were all still in great spirits as we were then from the class of the 50’s, memories and laughter which can never be erased. David Gray showed some excellent slides of Nkana / Kitwe and to where his family lived when Nega Nega was still a ‘shatini’.
Bill and Kitty McCullum were there too, another great footballer that proudly wore the maroon strip of Nkana. Ronnie and Elese’ de Kock ( de Bruin ex Broken Hill) came down from Krugersdorp.
We dig deeper than just the normal social gathering, individual visits from Robert Ball ( Vereeniging ), Mich and Yvonne Coetzee ( Witbank), Doug and Rina Penny ( Sinoia Zim), Brian Ison ( Durban) and Drucilla van Diggelen ( Souter, Boksburg ). My wife Avril ( Pressly ex Kimberley) a non Rhodesian has shown real passion in taking our pride further, she has arranged for a Rhod/Zim tea and a Bingo / Sing along on a monthly since 2002. This allows the pensioners to meet twice a month to built new friendships and socialize in new activities in their lives.
The reward is a blessing, as we are filling our greatest objective, to get people together. All these functions provide comfort and aid to members of the Flame Lily Foundation. Our get togethers also attract non Rhodesians as many South Africans are drawn to the spirit of friendship and fun that is generated. Catch you guys later.
Skatie Fourie
Vice chairman FLF
Cape Peninsula
Noordhoek
Skatie Fourie, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 16:13:16 (UTC)
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Like I said, everyone is posting under my sign in, and that message was from Tina. I am NOT responsible for licking Kevin's face!
Happy Birthday Ali.
Syd, if you read this, I really enjoyed our talk and am disappointed that I did not get to meet Mrs. Syd. It sounds like you have a lovely family.
Linda
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 15:34:33 (UTC)
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a very simple message following the bash - happy birthday Ali! We just came back from a great Sunday pub lunch. Some of the bodies had quite a bit of life in them. Kevin Shone and Fiona's brother John may even live. At least they look good hungover. Fiona Wall was already working on her next party and by the end of lunch was able to tell us she got her laptop in Hung Tong. Then came the parting of most of the ways as many people left for home.
After getting off a plane from the States yesterday morning I made it through to 11.45 p.m. when it occurred to me I had been staring at the same portion of wall for 20 minutes and therefore had to be bedtime. No salacious stories. If anyone shared my bed I was too zonked to know.
I do know though that Kevin woke up having his face licked.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 15:28:06 (UTC)
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Hi all, sounds like you guys at the Tytherington Tiyende are still at it....just phoned Fiona and all are down at the local having lunch......:o)
Had a wonderful day today, swam at Cable beach today, trying to avoid the box-jellyfish, the only problem was the water, it felt like we were body surfing in a spa, it was so warm..........sort of surreal as it was 38c and the water was about 33......different.
We then went to Gantheaum point, where at a very low tide you can see actual fosilised foot prints of dinosaurs, sadly the tide was in, but the scenery and the land formations took that disapointment away.....later on,with a romantic dinner, (mcdonalds ham roll) the place took on a incredible hue as the day came to an end......... to watch the sun set over the Indian ocean looking towards dear Africa was just devine......finished the day off at a lovely cafe, with a mango Daiquri..........nice but not as nice as my favourite "Amarula" all in all one of the best birthdays I have ever had .........only two days left...........I am going to get on the bike, amid the "warmish temps" tomorrow and seek out the flora around the town to photograph, have found many very odd plants and trees, take one for example a tree with what looks like figs coming out of the trunk of the tree.....also pick a few mangoes to take back home for my mango loving family ..........
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 15:14:21 (UTC)
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Has there ever been a GNR bash in the Middle-East?
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 13:16:29 (UTC)
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Tytherington Bash
Sat 27 Nov. @ 16:25, sat at my desk thinking if I switch off my phone now, no more incoming calls, I can get away dead on 16:30. Drive straight up the A38 to Tytherington and be there for 16:45. OK, but what about that woman with the 2 X 4. She said she was going to get me back for catching her out a little time back. Oh well, I'm a big boy now, I'll just have to take it like a man. Pulled into the driveway to be met by a man who said “I’m Fiona's husband, have we met before? I reply "Only through the upstairs bathroom window" Yes I remember" He said, "the beer is this way" and takes me through to the kitchen where most of the people are standing around. Fiona welcomed my and let the others know who I was, started to introduce some of the others but was called away. It was at that point that I spotted my big worry (I had seen a photo of her) and I thought now I'm for it. Well what a big turn around that was, Linda is a big softy. My troubles are all over. No more worries, and I have the proof if I am ever threatened with a bit of 2 X 4 again. What a night, it could only happen when a bunch of GNR's get together. The beer flowed, the singing was out of this world, and all who did not or could not turn up missed the best party in years. I left the party just on midnight as I was taking some bashers back to their hotel, and went on home thinking, that’s the first bash I have been to but come hell or high water, if I’m alive I will go to another. To Fiona and family A VERY BIG THANK YOU.
Syd
P.S. Let me know if you get the photos
Donald Sydney, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 12:24:39 (UTC)
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Linda et al,
Glad you had a lekker time - up a bit early though? Of course Pappy would stay the course - he was well trained by us Kitwe Buns!
The word is 'babelaas' by the way - the best way to get over it is to have another mosi to wash down the cold borewors and nshima.
Doug - I do love your vivid imagination! You forgot about the Basenjis - my Congolese Hunting Dogs - their bite is definitely worse than their bark!
Speaking of babelaas - I am still trying to recover from Friday night when we took the Shosholoza Express train - all dressed in 60's gear to Magaliesberg for a Christmas party. The train left Magaliesberg at midnight and we partied (all 60's music) back to Park Station, Johannesburg - three hours it took - so we got back into our cars at 3am and home by 3:30! And there were no Zambians, so I think it might be a purely African affliction! Hic! What a blast!
Jilly
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 12:03:30 (UTC)
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Fiona is not capable of responding to anything at the moment. Kevin makes a great dishwasher if anyone is interested in hiring him. Great body too... oops. For all those who had some excuse or other about not coming, you really did miss a great bash. The passing of the Zambian flag was done, and it is now ready for the next bash.
Moi Moo Five Cows is on the golf course with Fiona's brother, John, and I would imagine she will wipe the floor with him.
Get your reservations in early for the next bash!!
Everyone is submitting under Linda's sign in, and she waives all responsibility for tall tales told, confessions of the morning after and those who like to brag..
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 11:18:21 (UTC)
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Having a menage a trois with Gary,Linda and Glenda. Had a wonderful time, good food, good company, a great time in general.
Glenda.
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 11:11:31 (UTC)
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Linda & I R sharing facilities - make what U want of that! Tytherington terrors R traumatised from the terrors of total non stop partying. Have crawled out of bushes and safely found Fiona's kitchen for a "harem" breakfast. Ohhhh more beer, wors and steak & pap. Wow what a party ....... no more said. Great fun and superb company. Plenty of amazing pictures to keep "Sarky Arthur" busy. Where were U Arthur.
Brasso
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 11:08:31 (UTC)
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booble-ass, boggled-bass, how the heck do you spell it? Bubbelaas? Whatever.. a bleddy good time was had by all! 20 crates of beer, 2,000 wine glasses, 12 rolls of (blackmail worthy) photos, dancing, drinking, eating, laughing til our sides hurt, and just a really lekker time. Pappy gets the prize for staying on his feet longer than anyone else after 24hrs of non-stop drinking, and Johnny Green gets the prize for being able to snooze on Beauteous Matwetwe's shoulder on the couch while the walls were shaking the music was so loud! More details later. I'm just looking out of Fiona's window into her garden, and Gary has just crawled out of a bush! He's looking a bit disoriented. I don't think anyone else can party like Northerners!
Linda Hayes, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 09:58:01 (UTC)
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Hi Jilly
Phew! That's a relief! A picture comes to mind of you dressed as Boudecia at the reins of a chariot made from a cut down landrover, pulled by a brace of zebras, with assegais welded to the wheels, charging through the African veldt, with Beauteous riding shotgun with her 2 by 4 at high port, and on the side of the chariot is written, 'Be afed, be veri afred!
Ali
Hows about you or one of our artistically talented members turning the above into a cartoon.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 09:36:24 (UTC)
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hope to hear from the Tytherington Tiyende attendees soon ???
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 08:49:32 (UTC)
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have now tread where dinosaurs have been........
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 08:46:49 (UTC)
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Doug - well done! Look what happens when you obey Boadicea the bad Kitwe Bun! Or was that rough you called me? I won't have to go to visit you in my 4X4.
Mike - It's not common strategy to have two locks in the bin at the same time - does anyone know why Matfield was sent off?
Margaret - Linda is in the UK at the Tytherington Tiyende, so perhaps you should ask to help you next month.
Have a happy Sunday everyone!
Jilly
Jill Aplin, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 08:16:50 (UTC)
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Hi Jack
thanks for all the research that you have been doing regards Lobengula. I have found a few more reference to his death but no accurate account.
I have heard that the son of the author who wrote the book "Byete" is still alive and living up in Northern Zululand. As his father wrote the book in the early 1920's he may have had access to information from contacts of his who were involved at the time.
I will see if I can get hold of the son and see if he can shed any furthur light on the subject.
If he was buried in Northern Rhodesia it would make the subject very germane to this site.
Once again thanks to all.
Cheers
Philip Pain, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 05:32:39 (UTC)
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Hi Margaret
I see you are looking for Glen Gilchrist, Glen and I went to school together. He is a member of this web site and you can contract him from here.
Cheers
Philip Pain, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 05:01:22 (UTC)
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Mike Slement
My Dear Old Dad John Forde, DFC was very proud and honoured to have stood guard all night outside Her Majesty the Queen Mum's door during her visit to Lusaka in 1957.
G'day to all on the GNR. Hope the Tiyendie's are well.
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 02:00:14 (UTC)
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Mike
Last time at Murrayfield the Scots beats South Africa by a large margin so this made the win sweeter especialy after the fiascos agains't the Irish and the English sides.
I am not much of a rugby tactician. I am like the chap who enjoys Brandy but doesn't know how to make it. Maybe somebody else could answer your question better. Bill Hunt what say you?
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 20:32:53 (UTC)
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Doug
The rugby scores are much as expected. Scotland is not very strong at present.
The England Australia match could have gone either way although I did not see it as it was only on SKY in the UK.I could only listen to it on the radio
I don’t watch as much rugby as you chaps in SA.Is it standard practice to always weaken the scrum and keep the back line up to full strength if someone is sent off? When the Boks had both their locks sent off at the same time and there was a scrum right on their goal line I would have thought the most important thing at that point was to win the ball. They were never going to succeed with 6 men against 8.
Margaret.
I remember the 1957 visit of the Queen Mother very clearly .We saw her in Lusaka.
They produced some memorabilia mugs for the occasion and we still had them 20 years later.
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 19:33:03 (UTC)
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Boks 45 Scotland 10 and England got beaten by the Aussies!
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 17:50:57 (UTC)
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I forgot to ask if anyone knows the whereabouts of Joan Gilchrist (married a greek chap by the name of Leon) and her brother Glen Gilchrist. Also Mervyn Kaplan, he and Glen were good friends.
Thanks again.
Margaret Botha, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 17:33:22 (UTC)
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I would just like to thank all those who have been in contact with me since I became a member of GNR. I have had contact with people all over the world - THANKYOU so much.
I was wondering if anyone knew Darryl Ferreira and Patricia Dippenaar. I haven't heard where Valerie Clark is yet but have spoken to people in Cape Town who were friends with her sister Beverly and Hilary. I believe her parents Fred and Audrey have returned to the U.K.
Was browsing through the archives and came across a photo of my grandfather- Carl Wienand with a group of his friends at the Tea Party held in honour for the Queen Mother who visited Nkana/Kitwe in 1957. My, my I was only 5 years old and I can remember so clearly watching the procession down 11th Avenue!! My Mom spent hours making us new dresses for the occasion!
Thanks again and again for a wonderful site - I AM ADDICTED!!!
Margaret Botha, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 17:26:51 (UTC)
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Heather,
Yes! I think its the same one. The main difference was that the Feb 2002 photo was of course during the middle of the rainy season. I forget how green the vegetation gets during Dec. to March. The road was also repaved recently with bright while lines from the Luangwa Bridge to the Airport turn off in Lusaka. Thanks.
Ayub,
The legend of Manenekera is very famous among Easterners. This was the right of passage located a little further from the tree. Maneneka is near Rufunsa. It was a narrow dangerous meandering gravel road,carved and perched against the edge and side of a steep mountain in the Muchinga Escarpment. There was only enough width on the narrow rough gravel road for one vehicle to travel one way at a time. The solution was then to have all vehicles that arrived at Rufunsa between 7:00 am to 4:00pm allowed to drive through one way while vehicles at Nyimba were prohibited from driving through. After 4:00 pm to 7:00am, the process was reversed. I first travelled on the that road in 1967 as it was being paved starting from Lusaka and Chipata. There was another precarious bridge at Nyimba River. It was about half a mile long low concrete bridge which was barely wider than the bus. The driver drove very carefully at 5 miles per hour over the bridge while older women could not bear looking outside. They wept in fear. Any false move we could have plunged into the river.
Mwizenge Tembo, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Saturday, November 27, 2004 at 05:24:07 (UTC)
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Mwizenge/Heather,
Wow! That Baobab tree is still there. I recall it well before the1980's! The Great East Road is also notorious for the stretch referred to as NANA KERA (I may have spelt it wrongly). Is this not where many motorists have been involved in bad accidents?
Ayub Ismail Zumla, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, November 26, 2004 at 21:54:45 (UTC)
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Well that was dissappointing! Instead of the Zambia story as advertised they put on a story about Wales!???##@
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, November 26, 2004 at 21:18:07 (UTC)
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Attention South Africans.
Tune to channel 40 BBC Prime at 20 Hours tonight for “No going back: Zambia.” This is the story of a London couple that have gone to Zambia to open a Game Lodge.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, November 26, 2004 at 17:35:41 (UTC)
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I have used this baobab photo on my desk top for years. I took the photo duing a lovely April morning near Luangwa Bridge on the Great East Road in 1985.
Mwizenge Tembo
Mwizenge
I think this is the same tree, photo taken 28 February 2002, from a slightly different angle.
Heather Chalcraft, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, November 26, 2004 at 14:36:42 (UTC)
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Hi Arthur,
After my pleas on the message board, and one or two very nice replies, I finally found a "Mufulira" Wolseley 6/110...one owner, a Mr Eksteen from Muf, and copious notes and diaries about his beloved car, just up the road in Hilton.
He bought her new on 16 January 1968, and only did 36000 miles, before he became too ill to drive, and passed the car on to his son, who has lovingly cherished her since then.
I took delivery this morning with a "massive" 36114 miles on the clock!...complete with original tyres and everything else that goes with her...from original owners manual to toolkit and a total time warp back to the 60's as she is "as new"!!
I'm sending a shot of the grille, along with all the badges...if you zoom in, you will see that 3rd from the left is the Northern Rhodesian badge, and then the orange and blue triangular badge of the Northern Rhodesian automobile association, with its "Drive safely" slogan.
Having driven a whole 108 miles today, all I can say is that she is exquisite, and if there is anyone in my area who wants a blast from the past, they are welcome to get in touch with me just to enjoy a little of what it used to be like, being a driver of one of the princesses of the road!
Regards
Paul Cowie
Heather Chalcraft, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Friday, November 26, 2004 at 05:50:54 (UTC)
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Ted Magee
HAPPY BIRTHDAY..HOPE YOUR DAY HAS BEEN WONDERFUL.........ALI
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Friday, November 26, 2004 at 01:10:25 (UTC)
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Ali and Everyone
This is very rambly and chatty so skip if you want strong African links.
I am writing to you from Chris's computer. Man! You should see the list of rules for usage. Mine is in the shop investigating the need for a new C-drive. It has been mad but very happy here the last few days clearing my desk, getting Chris in college (he starts Spring semester, getting me enrolled for graphics related courses, preparing for the trip, Thanksgiving today, Ted's birthday tomorrow and leaving for England that evening. I've been on line long enough to check my mail once a day. I'm so sorry I haven't been there when you were on line! I'll look for you later today.
Just come back from checking the roasties - they're fine - and rescuing my Bruce Springsteen chocolate cup from charbroil. It's not well! How do you manage to put a drink in the microwave for 9 minutes? OK let's add a little more local colour to this ramble. Chris my 19 year old, and I like concerts, all kinds. He is into "seeing the old bands while they still tour" and dragged me to Springsteen. It was fun. I dragged him to Aerosmith and the BB King blues festival a few years back and we both went very willingly to Cold Play, U2 and Audioslave etc. ANYWAY the smartest concert memorabilia on sale anywhere was the Bruce Springsteen morning coffee/chocolate cup. I love it's practicality. Ever since, most mornings, I wake up with Bruce! It'll need some love and attention after being cooked dry in the microwave but it will recover.
Anyway Happy Thanksgiving to all in the U.S.. happy Thursday or Friday to everyone else, I'll wait til Sunday to wish Ali a happy birthday, well it will really be during the bash allowing for time diff won't it?
Tiyendes have fun Friday night, see you Saturday!
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 18:12:27 (UTC)
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I heard that Ian Knox was trying to make contact with me, (June Botha) and some others from Riverain days. I see he has updated his details but I am still not able to send him an e mail. Please let him know that I am now registered and I would be thrilled to hear from him. If anyone else out there remembers me and would like to catch up I would be happy to hear from them. What a wonderful site this is! Many thanks to all concerned.
June (Botha) Ross
June Ross, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 09:11:35 (UTC)
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Hi Ali,
Pleased to hear you are having such a good time in the Kimberley. I have been there several times and it is a magical place where you can sense the spirituality in the air. Last time I went to Broome I sailed in from Dampier and left 5 days later to sail on up to Darwin. After flying there on previous visits there was a huge sense of achievement to sailing in under your own steam. You felt as if you had really earned the right to be there. The Baobs reminded me so much of Zambia. They spell Baobab differently in both places and I've probably got it wrong altogether. Would love to see your photos so please get in touch.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 09:00:58 (UTC)
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There following is a website that has a listing of students who graduated from Gilbert Rennie from as far back as 1958. No listing for Jean Rennie though, perhaps a some Jean Rennie GNR ladies can change that.
There are schools from Zim, Zambia & SA listed. You can add any school and list yourself for free but there is a charge to make contact with someone listed. http://sareunited.com
Allyson Cash, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 08:07:21 (UTC)
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Hi Chris,
Yes it was. I can't wait to get and pass it on to Arthur.
Thanks
Mike Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 07:27:17 (UTC)
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Craig, Thanks for posting the photos , and Artie, your magic sure works, ( a little secret..I never took the photos,..........I have a straight eye ..........I have let Gavan know that he needs a spirit level........I won't repeat what his reply was .....giggles)........Ron, I don't have the time to do the Gibb River road trip, however I will definitely be up here again, there is so much to see, and one needs lots of money !!!!...one thing I learned is the Australian Baob is the smallest of the Baobs.......they are all coming into leaf and should soon be flowering, sadly I wont see them in flower.
The area is so full of history and amazing sights, I have been bike riding all over the place,AND I am sure the locals think I am mad riding in the heat.....but it is a good way of losing weight. Have had a few thunderstorms here, they are really awesome.....it is a pity I won't be here for the rains , they say the place takes on a beauty all of its own.
Tina, Feef, Linda, etc enjoy yourselves......be thinking of you on Saturday night...........I have a special day planned for Sunday Tina, I have been hoping to catch you online, but to no avail.....hope all is well.
if anyone wants to see my photos email me and I will arrange for you to see them in my online Album.
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 05:54:23 (UTC)
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Mike Wilson
Hope that was you that got the map
Chris Cantrell, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 00:14:25 (UTC)
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This happened to day. Thanksgiving is 24 hours away. My wife told me this a while ago. We are going to a joint thanksgiving dinner at the house of our family friends; Joe and Maggie. Joe is the typical handy type man who fixes everything quickly in the house, in the yard, the car. He is never in the kitchen. His wife does everything in the kitchen.
The wife was getting the oven ready for cooking the thanksgiving turkey. She turned the oven on to the self-cleaning where it locks up and heats the oven and it cleans itself up that way. She left to go and buy fresh turkey from a special store in town. I don’t know how long. When she came back, she found her husband, Joe, standing in the middle of the kitchen with the oven door in his hands. He had walked through the kitchen and noticed that the oven was hot and he couldn’t open it. He had immediately decided to fix it. He had taken apart the whole oven and the parts were scattered on the kitchen floor.
Since he had disrupted its normal self-cleaning cycle, putting the oven back did not work. No repairman would come to the house until late to day. She went to an appliance store and had to buy a brand new oven. I had a big laugh because if this had happened at our house, I would have waited until my wife had come back so I could chew her out for leaving the oven on and worse, locking it. If something breaks in my house, my wife is lucky if I get to it in a week. I am not a very handy man. My wife has made me swear that I will not bring this up to-morrow during thanksgiving at Joe and Maggie’s house. Happy Thanksgiving.
Mwizenge Tembo, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 19:13:44 (UTC)
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I had an interesting visitor today. Jimmy Churchill and his wife Elizabeth passed through Vryheid on their tour of KwaZulu Natal. We had lunch together and an interesting chat. Jimmy was working in Saudi and was a regular contributor to this board, but has now retired to Fife, Scotland, and is bored. I have asked him to do a write up of his visit for the GNR when he gets home. They visited Hluhluwe game reserve, then Itala game reserve about 80 Km fron Vryheid and are now going to the Drakensburg mountains, so it should be an interesting story.
Jilly, Beth, etc. Right now in South Africa on Channel 33 they are showing the 2003 world’s strongest man competition that took place during our reunion at Vic Falls.
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 17:54:14 (UTC)
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Oh to be in Tytherington Now the SQIGGLY season is here,
(with or without tarpaulins), to the lurkers who only live a short car ride away get mobile Sat night I havent seen you for nearly 40 years they know who I mean. Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 16:31:55 (UTC)
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Paul Cowie
My apologies - I was away when your photo came in so couldn't deal with it immediately. Since then, I have not been able to catch up with myself.
However, as I type, the photo is being transferred to the server and when I get home this evening, assuming we don't have a power cut as we have had the last two evenings, I shall prepare the links and post the message on the board.
Sorry again.
Heather Chalcraft, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 15:30:18 (UTC)
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Very eloquent Viv.
John, see what the right words can do...
Sue Coughlan, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 15:03:06 (UTC)
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John Parish
Thank you so much for posting that poem – I still have a lump in my throat. My mom lived with me for 23 years after my dad died and the last few years of her life were often lonely and painful as she suffered with Arthritis and developed Parkinsons.
I was at work all day, my daughters at work, and school, and she only had company for a little while in the evenings when we were home. I hope in my preoccupation with my life and worries, I never did anything to make her feel that I didn’t SEE her.
She was a very lovely young Scotswomen, Lottie Griffiths, with a temper that did the Scots proud! She lived in Northern Rhodesia for a few years as a young child, returned to Scotland with her mom and brother and then after the second world war returned to Kitwe in her early twenties to meet and marry my dad, Viv Eldridge. There are, I am sure many “old timers” that will remember them both. They were a handsome and very happy young couple and sadly, like the lady in the poem, all too soon the years were gone and with them my dad and before she knew where she was, she was old, alone and far from the countries she loved, Scotland and Northern Rhodesia.
We were never close, my sister and I were always “daddy’s girls” and only now that she has gone do I realize how much I loved her and how quickly my life is mirroring her own.
Vivienne
Vivienne Jeannette Buitendag, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 14:40:39 (UTC)
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Anna
Try this link for your tablet recipe
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usrecipes/scottishtablet/
I have to say that it sure looks as if it would rot your teeth though it's probably delicious. Hope your kids don't get too much of a liking for it or you could wind up having very big dentist bills!
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 08:11:20 (UTC)
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Help
Any old Scottish people out there with a recipe for Tablet??
My dad would often make it for us. I'm sure we kept the local dentist in business with the amount of sugar. I'd like to now show my kids how to make it but have lost the precious bit of paper.
Anna
Anna Crawford, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 05:58:52 (UTC)
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Sarky Arthur,
Even a bamba zonke can name all of those school empblems, except the second last one. And you thought I wasn't paying attention.
I suspect that one of your former careers was working for the KGB retouching photographs, or was it the Ministry of Truth, Winston?
More information on Kimberly's boobs... er... I mean baobs, is on the Kimberley Development Commission Web site.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 01:15:51 (UTC)
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Northerners !
I see all the rebellious rabble from the wild dorpies have stuck their heads over the parapet while I've been away. And who said Kitwe was the Centre of the Universe? If you didn't live in Nkana-East you were just nobody.
I found these a few months ago, who can identify each school empblem?
No first-prizes for the Knappies in Nkana-West.
Ali
As I keep reminding Heather, you girls need to take along a spirit level and a spade on your travels when taking your cameras.
First, useful for stopping a lake pouring out one side of your photo, second, you will be able to dig up telegraph poles that get in the way of your subjects.
Like this
The spade also comes in quite useful for removing American and Dutch tourists you don't want in the frame - a whack on the head usually does the trick, failing that just throw them with a stone - just like the good old days. Heather uses a gun of course, but I s'pose that aint allowed in Oz.
Watch out for the flatdogs Ali - here's one Heather left me recently, made a nice wallet.
Paul Cowie
I think Heather has your photo of your car. Feel free to use the spade to hurry her along.
Tytherington Tarpaulines
Hope you all have a lekker time, so sorry I won't be able to join you all this year.
Please take plenty of pics.
Arthur
Arthur Steevens, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 00:53:16 (UTC)
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For the smilers you girls will like it. Johnny.
> > A man and his wife were having some problems at home and were giving
> > each other the silent treatment. Suddenly, the man realized that the
> > next day, he would need his wife to wake him at 5:00 AM for an early
> > morning business flight. Not wanting to be the first to break the
> > silence (and LOSE), he wrote on a piece of paper, "Please wake me at
> > 5:00 AM." He left it where he knew she would find it.
> >
> > The next morning, the man woke up, only to discover it was 9:00 AM
> > and he had missed his flight. Furious, he was about to go and see why
his
> > wife hadn't wakened him, when he noticed a piece of paper by the bed.
> > The paper said, "It is 5:00 AM. Wake up."
> >
> > Men are not equipped for these kinds of contests. God may have
> > created man before woman, but there is always a rough draft before the
> > masterpiece.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 23:22:16 (UTC)
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Sorry, I should have noted that the subject of Ali's e-mail message to me was "Baobs of the Kimberly", so maybe these aren't in Broome.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 22:57:18 (UTC)
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Broome Baobs
Ali has asked me to post these pictures of Baobs in Broome. The sign in front of one of the trees reads:
"SITE OF SIGNIFICANCE
"The significance of the Prison Baob Tree derives from its reputed use as a rest point for police & escorted [sic] Aboriginal prisoners en-route to Derby, and principally, its prior but less publicly known connection with Aboriginal traditional religious belief.
"The Prison Baob Tree attracts many visitors. The fence was erected out of respect for the religious significance of the Prison Baob Tree and to prevent pedestrian traffic from compacting the soil around its roots.
"This site is protected under the Aboriginal Heritage Act 1972. Please be advised that unauthorised entry beyond the perimeter fence is prohibited.
"Note also that snakes are known to inhabit the tree."
In other words, if the law won't deter you from climbing the fence, perhaps the snakes will. :) And since when were prisoners transported without an escort? --Craig.
Arthur, please check my speling for misteaks. Thanks.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 22:53:37 (UTC)
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OK I'll bring my two person tent with me.Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 21:40:50 (UTC)
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JOHNNY
Down boy!
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 18:57:38 (UTC)
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It would have been nice if we had the tarpaulins, just imagine a sudden burst of rain and forty of us all sqiggling sandwiched between two tarpaulins OH BOY. Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 18:21:49 (UTC)
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Mike........................
Hi your absolutely right I may even know you, I used to go to Eagle's rest every weekend Chris never charged me a penny as long as I took food supplies and booze he always reminded my of Clark Gable.
Later on unfortunately he went a little bush and used to tell us about submarines he saw in the lake bless him.
When the Problems started (border clashes) Joe's and all the other hire companies went into liquidation Chris arranged through an insurance compny for me to purchase anything from Joe's including boats which I did including the Aluminium Yahcht which I think is the boat your refering to, I or no one else could raise her and as far as I know shes stll offf Eagles Rest 30-40' underwater..
Thanks for jogging my memory Mike... I still miss the place you know............
John Parish, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 18:19:06 (UTC)
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Esther Pettersson
Thanks. The book will be published in the next few weeks, in of all places, in Zambia. I suspect the book is good because I had a 19 year old young woman finally read the type set copy here. I din't ask her for this and I wasn't looking for her comments. But she said she cried at the end of the book. I asked her why. She said she didn't know what was going to happen to them. I will keep you posted.
Mwizenge Tembo, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 18:12:40 (UTC)
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John Parish
Thanks for posting the poem, it really had a message. I sent a copy to my daughter, who works in a home for Alzheimer patients. She promises to share it, and that can do nothing but good. I would add that the care the patients receive is first class, but every little helps. Bob.
Robert Summers, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 17:44:37 (UTC)
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Hi there 'nchanga'
I'm in the process of bidding on EBay for the 14" square 1946 map of Northern Rhodesia the only other bidder has the name 'nchanga'. I want the GNR archive to have the map. If 'nchanga' is a reader of this board maybe we could come to some agreement.
Mike Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 17:32:10 (UTC)
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Patti,
Did Dave work for Frankie Pile,if so then did his brother Peter work for Duly`s,I new them both well if it is the same Bromfields,we were all Kantanta Street,Kids.
Pappy Papier, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 17:02:17 (UTC)
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Hi there,
you're drawing me out of my shell again. If the 'Flame Lilly' was the sleek sailing boat build in the Copperbelt, I heard, she went bows under and went down.
Re Samfya, I went there in 1962. Photos I took, were on Perutz film and very much a brown cast. I did three trips for National Cas Register Company from Mansa (Fort Rosebery) along the Luapula to Lake Mwera and went to Kawambwa, Mporokoso, Kasama, Luwingu, back to Mansa, then to the Copperbelt.
The first trip I flew from Ndola to Fort Rosebery in th old Dak (they don't fly they trundle through the air). I was taken to the stores by the traders driver.
My second trip was in the Volkswagen Kombi NN5102, I wont forget, got my first drivers licence in it. My predecessor (apprentice) was dismissed for towing a 5 t truck with it and buggered it up.
Number three trip was in a new Peugeot Van. I did two miles along flooded road on tree trunks. The colour slides were borrowed by a person with the fervent promise of their return. They were found published and never returned, I had no recourse.
When I worked for Irvin & Johnson I also went via the Chembe ferry to Kasama en route to Mpulungu. My last crossing of Chembe was April 1966.
While with I & J I had the job of going into the Pedicle with Pound sterling 2,000 in cash in my pocket to buy back one of the big Leyland freezer trucks, loaded with fish from the fishery at Mpulungu, from a group of bandits.
On one trip to Mpulungu, I recaptured some of the Storms Water Cobras, in one of the Fisheries' Dept premises, where a big aquarium had burst.
In 1962 Mr Anderson, an Accountant, advertised for companions to climb Kilimanjaro. He and the Manager of Grindlays Bank Ndola, myself, Nick Solanki of Solanki & Sons/ or brothers of Ndola, a Surveyor/Geologist from Luanshya and another from Kalalushi. We all fitted into my Kombi, a reliable old 'Tub' with all of 1100 cc power. We had our moments on that trip too. I was at the wheel at the time, and from the top of the escarpment we saw a little stream, so I pushed for all she had and reached 60 mph, hit the river, ski'd across on her belly without the wheels touching the river bed.
Enough for time being.
Bryan
Bryan Baker, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 14:27:10 (UTC)
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Patti Bromfield
Is your husband Dave, Pete Bromfields brother?
If so could you please give me Pete's address. Last time he visited me with his wife Heather they were living in England, but lost touch.
Welcome to the GNR.
Nicky Kontou, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 14:18:11 (UTC)
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John Parish
Lovely poem. It shows deep down you are a good person with feelings. So no need to be crude just be yourself.
Cheers.
Nicky Kontou, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 13:58:38 (UTC)
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Hi John,
Yes I remember Joe's Boat Hire. I had a boat taken from there which ended on the Southern shore. It was Eagle's Rest Chalets next door, with Chris Odendhal (Spelling?).
The view from Maurice Diamond's lounge at sunset was out of this world. Molly had a cottage lower on the same plot which I believe originally belonged to George Adamson.
Whatever happened to the 'Flame Lily'? I remember it sinking at its mooring. Was that the end of a very ambitious undertaking? There's a story which perhaps Ken Hill, if he is still alive, could tell
Mike Wilson, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 11:25:17 (UTC)
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Jophn Parish
What a wonderful poem.
It reminds me a bit of when my sister Erika was in hospital in England not so long ago. The nurses came and went with barely a glance at her suffering.
After collapsing at home for no apparent reason she was taken into hospital and put on a ventilator and released after a week or so. It happened again and they released her - this time after saying she needed regular Dialysis. It happened again and they relased her. The neighbours found her unconcious and once again she was in hospital - this time so bad her husband suggested we fly to England to say our good byes. Whilst there I witnessed those bloody nurses come and go, come and go. I sat watching her take one small bite out of a piece of bread before the tray being taken away. I found the sister and told her - Erika is a person - not some THING that is going to die anyway. I told her that this lady is a beautiful human being who is loved by many and "this lady is going to starve to death on your shift without you even knowing or caring about it" - idiots.
Anyway to cut a long story short - they wanted to release her again alhough she couldn't walk - because the doctor said "we know she has a bug of some sort but can't find out what that bug is". Her husband took her to Switzerland where she continued having Dialysis - but when she wasn't responding favourably - they tested her further only to find that the "bug" was cancer which by now had spread from the source pancreas to her liver and kidneys - far too late for treatment - just ready for palliative care.
She had been in and out of hospital in England for 5 months. The two weeks we were there in the January she was moved FIVE times.
It makes you wonder, doesn't it???
Esther Pettersson, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 08:23:08 (UTC)
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Mwizenge Tembo
You should write a book. I felt everything just reading your words.
Esther Pettersson, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 07:29:53 (UTC)
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I was in Williamsburg that memorable weekend of the Fall in October. We parked the car on the lovely Winery Grounds surrounded by acres of grape plants and walked into the Italian festival grounds.
There was plenty of wine, art, crafts, drinks, bread, sausages, a thousand aromas from Bar-B-Que grills, and then the music under the tent. The woman who has satiated my life-long romantic dreams for the last twenty-five years was with me. It was a magical experience. When we finally sat under the huge tent to listen to the band, that’s when it happened.
The music, like an incendiary device, tagged at the chords of the romantic feelings that enveloped us. My soul yearned for the bygone mysterious distant past that is shrouded in a mist of desires and memories that make the heart ache with infinite sadness and joy. I realized then why people sometimes fall to their knees and choose to die for romantic love.
There was an instrument in the band that continuously wrung my heart, slashed open my deep romantic feelings, and desires that could only be consummated in the aura of my lover’s sacred presence, laughter, and teary smiles. The area in the tent around us glowed, as it was pregnant with the electricity of deep emotion. People were instinctively drawn to us. The experience has been etched in the deep crevices of my memory forever.
I want to see the Allodola Band again. I can’t tell whether I will be disappointed when I see them again. I am going to break a very important rule of life that I learnt many years ago: never try to recreate anything good that you experienced spontaneously once. The second time will never be the same. Please tell me where the Allodola band plays. I will go to see the band.
September 20, 2004.
I saw the band again. It was a saturday afternoon with clear blue skies. The excitement of the International festival; food, children’s games, displays, art and crafts, music, and people wearing colorful clothes mingling everywhere. This time I bought Ethiopian food and stood in front of the festival stage as the band performed.
Someone I knew came and stood close to me. They began to talk to me but my mind was already overwhelmed by the sweet music. This Allodola music that is mysterious in its power. Why does it go through my ears, to my gut, then to my chest where it arouses the dormant soul? During the third song, my chest is accumulating heat that threatens to burst the dam of powerful emotions that many men and women are terrified of. The band ends their music. I go to thank Connie and the group. I want to see Allodola again. But I am beginning to get scared. I don’t know why.
Mwizenge Tembo, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 04:34:43 (UTC)
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Hi Fiona,
To get your kitchen finished in time you must really stop chatting to strangers for hours on the net., Just now they will end up on your doorstep unnanounced.
Cheers
Philip Pain, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 04:30:08 (UTC)
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Yesterday was the first anniversary of England's win over Australia in the 2003 Rugby World Cup Final. I went to a friend's place for a gathering of Poms to watch the game again courtesy of a DVD. Had a few beers and a magnificent home delivered curry. Result - the same again.
This coming Saturday it could be different.
Keith Binns, United Arab Emirates [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 02:14:41 (UTC)
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Johnny
Like I've got time to organise tarpaulins? Who do you want to crawl under them with? Anyway, you only need a couple of minutes to crawl home to bed (if you can do it in a straight line - otherwise maybe a couple of hours?)
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 23:29:24 (UTC)
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Jack/Mike F
In ‘ Men of Men’ page 507 Wilbur Smith is even more precise. He describes the cave overlooking the Zambezi escarpment and also close enough to the Victoria Falls for the spray to be seen against the western sky.
Mike Slement, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 22:55:29 (UTC)
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12 seems a little early doesn't it? get a couple of tarpaulins on the lawn we can crawl between in emergency's Johnny.
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 21:50:05 (UTC)
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Mike Fancourt,
Wilbur Smith seems to align with the traditional view based on his reference to Gandang's description of Lobengula's death in "the Angels Weep" p59 in the PAN paperback.
I.e. the poison taken in a cave overlooking the Zambezi valley.
Jack Wardell, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 21:10:27 (UTC)
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Reference the comments about the death of some great hero in Africa. If there was a "grave" investigation it would have been recorded in the District Notebook held at the local Boma. Just before independence these were all removed for safekeeping to the National Archives. They made fascinating reading. At Mpika the one there had an account from, I think the early twenties, of interviews and photos of an old man who as a child remembered Livingstone's arrival and demise.
Edward Collard, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 20:10:51 (UTC)
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LINDA HAYES
Please contact me, I need to speak to you. Hope your meeting is/was good.
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 19:06:23 (UTC)
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Jilly
I promise no more rugby forecasts! The thought of you with Heather's whip is just about as frightening as Linda with BT's 2 by 4. Are all Kitwe buns so rough? :-)
Doug Grewar, South Africa [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 18:51:49 (UTC)
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My Mother stays in a home the following was on the wall in her rest room, Apparently an old woman wrote it who suffered from alzheimers . it was found after she died
What do you see, nurse, what do you see?
What are you thinking when you're looking at me?
A crabby old woman, not very wise,
Uncertain of habit, with far away eyes.
Who dribbles her food and makes no reply
When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try?"
Who seems not to notice the things that you do,
And forever is losing a stocking or shoe.
Who, resisting or not, lets you do as you will.
With bathing and feeding, the long day to fill,
Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see?
Then open your eyes, nurse, you're not looking at me.
I'll tell you who I am as I sit here so still,
As I use at your bidding, as I eat at your will.
I'm a small child of ten with a father and mother,
Brothers and sisters, who love one another.
A young girl of sixteen, with wings on her feet,
Dreaming that soon now a lover she'll meet.
A bride soon at twenty, my heart gives a leap,
Remembering the vows that I promised to keep.
At twenty-five now, I have young of my own,
Who need me to guide, and a secure happy home.
A woman of thirty, my young now grown fast,
Bound to each other with ties that should last.
At forty my young sons have grown and are gone,
But my man's beside me to see I don't mourn.
At fifty once more babies play around my knee,
Again we know children, my loved one and me.
Dark days are upon me, my husband is dead,
I look at the future, I shudder with dread.
For my young are all rearing young of their own,
And I think of the years and the love that I've known.
I'm now an old woman and nature is cruel,
'Tis just to make old age look like a fool.
The body, it crumbles, grace and vigor depart,
There is now a stone where I once had a heart.
But inside this old carcass a young girl still dwells,
And now and again my battered heart swells.
I remember the joys, I remember the pain,
And I'm loving and living life over again.
I think of the years, all too few, gone too fast,
And accept the stark fact that nothing can last.
So open your eyes, nurses, open and see,
Not a crabby old woman, look closer - see ME!!
Remember this poem when you next meet an old person.
We will one day be there too! Love bears all things,
believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things.
I LOVE YOU Mum xxXXxx
John Parish, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 18:43:04 (UTC)
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TYTHERINGTON TIYENDE ATTENDEES
Diane Sewley has kindly arranged a 16 seater taxi for anyone who needs a lift back to their accommodation on Saturday night. She has booked it for midnight but if anyone thinks that's too early, please let me know SOON so we can change it. If travellers can split the cost of the taxi it will work out at a reasonable price and revellers can still have a drink without worrying about driving. Please let me know who will need to use the taxi and where you're staying so I can work it out. Thanks.
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 18:36:00 (UTC)
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Hi Carol
Sorry you can't make it to the Tiyende but here's wishing you well in your new life in Spain and a happy retirement. I hope we will be able to meet up again one day - it's not that far away! Where in Spain are you moving to?
Fiona Gayther, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 14:38:29 (UTC)
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Hi all
Firstly, to all you jammy dodgers going to the Tytherington bash - have a great time and I'm sorry I won't be there to have a farewell drink with you. Can I take this opportunity to wish you all health, wealth and happiness for the future.
Our move to Spain is now imminent, my car goes on Friday, the furniture has gone, and we are living like jolly campers, sleeping on airbeds and cooking from a primus stove! Ah memories of weekends in the bush, (but with a bathroom available) !!
I retire on Friday this week - yippee - although I am actually starting to dread it, having worked since I was 17 without any time out. So if any of you have my works email address, containing carole@miller....., please delete it from your address book.
I have also changed my home email address from the one starting buz@evans22...... so again please delete that. Contact me via ths posting for the new one.
We won't be able to connect to the internet for a while once we move as the area we are going to has no landline telephones yet, so please bear with us. We are hoping to get a radio phone about February/March which has internet facility (so I've been told) so will catch up with you all then.
My love and best wishes to all my old friends. Go well and stay safe.
Carole Evans, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 12:35:57 (UTC)
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Ali
Thrilled to pieces as always at your enthusiasm, descriptions and explorations. Dying to see some of those photos and hearing more reports.
Feef (For those going: "Feef???" This is fiona Gayther aka Fifi la Gayther aka Feef)
So glad you "enjoyed" my historical account. Thanks for the warning babe. I'll hold on to your duty-free B&H's til I feel safe...
Tina Magee, United States [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 09:41:38 (UTC)
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Dear Ali I have never seen a dripping tree but my mam used to fill me full of bread and dripping sandwiches in the 30s is that where it came from Aussie.? Love Johnny.x
Johnny, United Kingdom [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 09:38:04 (UTC)
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Ali,
Will you be doing the Gibb Livingstone Road - or visiting the Bungle Bungles whilst you are up there in the far north ?
The early pirate explorer William Dampier who sailed round the world three times first landed somwhere up there long before Cook's voyage of discovery with the botanist Banks. Dampier's accurate maps and descriptions of all the plants and wildlife are still used to this day. A new book on his life by Diana & Michael Preston titled Á Pirate of Exquisite mind' is a very good read - I even get a mention - for giving them minimal information on his visit to the South China Coast St John's island near Macau.
Watch out for the sharp Spinefex grass up there - it really is needle sharp.
Enjoy the rest of your trip
Ron
Ron Clibborn-Dyer, China [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 09:08:57 (UTC)
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Hi Simon a coincidence in that I was at Lwawu Mission on tuesday last week. I stayed with Brother Joe ( if you remeber him) and he was quite keen to know what happened to pupils from St Frances. I only knew of Tony Edwards and Richard Borejszo.
I have his box number and a photo which I can send to you if interested.
Gerard Fagan, Zambia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 06:08:28 (UTC)
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>STRONG> Hi All....Jilly and Tina etc
Baobs....love to say I think I have seen more of them in the last 3 days than one can see in a life time..even one that "was" used as a Gaol !!...I will be sending a few pics to Craig to be posted ;0)
I am having a wonderful time, arrived Friday afternoon after a 3 hour delay.........the weather very humid and the high 30's, very tropical here and so green.......have had a ball recognising the local flora, loads of Baobs , coconut palms, Mango trees dripping, and of course my favourite the poinciana..in flower !!!...have managed to collect a wide range of seed pods, of course the poinciana's Pod is the best..the local beaches are incredibly beautiful white sand everywhere and blue blue sea......oh and just across from us a few thousand miles is Africa......have spent most of the time 4w driving , yesterday we ended up at the end of the world........(well it seemed like it ) a sleepy little hollow called Derby (pronounced as in her !!) phenomenal , a port town very small, but the jetty is quite big, oh but the view of the sea was unbeleivable , a dirty brown......a huge expanse of water, and urgh, quite an eirrie feeling ...never saw any crocs, not many around, but plenty of signs to day BEWARE, I think the only place I am going to get to see them is at the Croc park..whilst in Derby came across an injured Swallow, so took it back to Broome to the wildlife carer there.....hopefully it will recover...........
Today I hired a bike and so will hopefully be able to lose weight while riding around in this steam bath of a place.
Not long to go Tina and Linda, I will be thinking of you !!
oh lots of fishing spots here, hopefully I will catch a few..giggles.....oh well must leave this airconditioned haven and ride back to the little place I am staying at.
Ali in Broome....
Ali Key, Australia [ Profile ] [ Contact ]
Monday, November 22, 2004 at 03:54:08 (UTC)
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Looking for Picture of the Empblem on the Mufulira Rugby Jersey
The following message is posted on behalf of non-member Bill McDonald. Please contact him directly as described below if you can help him. Thanks.
I've had some requests for Mufulira rugby jerseys. I'm seeking a picture of the emblem on the jersey.
Bill McDonald of Rhodesia was Super.
If you can help Bill, please contact him directly at rhodesia@shaw.ca. Thanks very much.
Craig Hartnett, Canada [ Profile ] [ Contact ] [ Web ]
Sunday, November 21, 2004 at 23:50:22 (UTC)
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Ha ha! Funny Tina! I'll slap you for that one next week!
Update on the Tiyende
The beer is bought, the steak is bought, the boerie is ordered, the nerves are shattered (sorry Mr Hogg and Mr Maxwell for the bollockings). My kitchen is still in the midst of being remodelled and I have spent all day trying to find somewhere to put everthing, changed my mind about what needs to be done and the builder will probably punch my lights out tomorrow when I tell him. I apologise in advance to attend |
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